The Deep 3 Podcast - Reacting To Your NBA Trade Ideas | TD3 Live

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

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how are y'all doing I miss you guys it's been like a whole what six seven days someone says say hi Tanner what up Tanner Tanner what is good hey my darlings what's up Ethan my darling's up Ethan my darlings just Fifty-year-old. Are you somebody's aunt? You SpongeBob's grandma? Good God. Your name's Dolores.

They need to make a serious change sometimes. But then they win three games after that, and they have overall winning records. So it's like, I don't know. Like, they're so back and forth. But you can't get blown out every week. Like, that can't happen. Yeah, there's a strange season they're having.

But y'all, y'all are here. I know you see the title. today we're going to react to your guys as trade ideas. I made a tweet on the Deep 3 Twitter account. I'll pull it up where I said drop your trade deadline moves we're going to react to them and we're going to do that. First though, as always, we have to do

our news stories for the week. We're going to go down all the talking points, give you guys our reactions to them. Y'all can react along with us, watch some highlights, da-da-da-da. And then we're going to do a draft. Yes, sir, we. I already forgot what the draft was. I'll give you guys a preview right now. the draft is going to be building teams around lebron james so who's going to be on our lineup

and we have to draft four players around him so stay tuned for that later in the stream as well as the trade ideas yeah but first but wait before they go in just before we go ahead and get into it they need to make sure that they tap in that there's like 367 of y'all individually they need every single one of y'all to tap in and leave a life so the stream can get more visibility for us and also check out the merch you know see i got it on i got the long sleeve on i got the corduroy hat It all just dropped The new merch is crazy The name works

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right now Run it up My goodness. You're all saying, do all-star snubs? Oh, we're going to get that. We're going to talk about all-star snubs for sure. Yeah. But before we get to that,

listen, the start of the last episode of the pod, we talked about how the 65-game rule was going to fuck you all and beat out of a playoff spot, I mean, out of a MVP, because it was clear he was going to miss more games, at least. But we didn't know the extent of that, because the last thing we saw was he played the Warriors game and got hurt, so it was still, like, up in the air.

Since then, we've got some more details, and he is down horrendous, might miss the whole season. He has a, he has a, He has a meniscus tear, but the team is using a lot of confusing verbiage to try to pretend it's not that. And he's going to miss extended time. I don't feel like that you can be on this side or that side. If you want to make it about something that is not, that's fine.

And you can start talking about the rule and all that and all those implications. Go ahead. But the main thing is just like you have the front runner for MVP this year who's probably not going to play until the playoffs. if, you know, if the Sixers can hang on and get there, that it just sucks. Yeah. It's the only way you can feel about it. Yeah, exactly. This is just the story of Duelan Bede's career.

How we saw him play against the Warriors, I think he put up like 13 points or something like that, obviously because he couldn't play the full game. But even then those 13 points were like the struggle to get up for him. We saw like playoff of Duelan Bede early because he was hurt and he was going through so many things and it like, it sucks. And this is like the story. his career you think about him when he got drafted he fell all the way to the third overall pick because of all types of crazy health concerns and stuff like that and this is why teams

are scared of picking of course like if we were to do revisionist history he would go number one without a doubt um but it's just sad it's super sad because we've been all robbed of this goddamn moment you know yeah for sure that's something we can put it and i like how you mentioned that like from the jump of his career like you said he went to number three overall when he was clearly the best player in his draft because the injury concerns. So I think I was listening to Zach Lowe's pod, and that's what basically he was talking about is like, honestly, we're lucky that he's had the queries had and wanted MVP hit this level of player. So like, like you guys are saying, it's just sucks that this is like it seems like what the recurring thing is going to be. The injuries

aren't going anywhere. And you kind of have to just keep your fingers crossed any given year that he'll be healthy for a full run. And we just haven't seen it yet. Yeah. He's, he's definitely now in, and he's been there, right, but it's mainly just been like in the playoffs. But at least in the regular season he's now in kawai leonard territory where moving forward like we're rarely going to we're rarely going to see him in back to backs there's going to be a lot of load management on his name so i hope he cherishes the MVP that he got last year because if this rule stays in place he's not getting another MVP because he's probably just not going to play that many games the sixers are going to be so so careful with mb moving forward right and already

listen he is he's 29 right now And he's going to be 30 next year. He turns 30 in, what, a month and a half? He's going to be on the back side of his career. What's that? His birthday is March 1st. Yeah. No, it's not.

Oh, no, it's March 16th. The same as mine. That's what it is. Yeah, it's your birthday. Yeah, it's your birthday, yeah. Yeah. And so he's, he's going to be 30. He already has 50-year-old knees.

It's just, it's a wrap. Hey, wait. Isaac, you're turning 30 just like the only beat? Oh, go to hell. Oh, my God. Y'all got to remember that. Y'all got to remember that. Happy 30th Isaac.

Yeah, man. I see some of the chat said, are y'all ever going to do a live show? Oh, Iso can't. I'll do, soon to be announced in a few days, but for those you are in the stream, you get a little early access, we will be doing a live show

at NBA All Star Week in Indiana. So if you're going to be in Indiana, if you're from there, you can come watch TD3 do a live show. I'll give you guys the details on Wednesday with the venue in the time. But we'll be there. Yes, sir, re.

Surprise. Surprise. Pull up. Come see us. Shake our hands. Let's share a plate of crayons, my brother. And enjoy that moment. Someone said, dang, Isaac is getting old.

Not that old. Yeah, man. Yeah, a lot of news get to. We'll move on from Joel and B. It's been talked about. Tough. We'll see if we comes back for the playoffs. To be determined, right?

Yeah. Next thing we've got to talk about. As well as him, Zach Levine, his body is down bad. He's going to miss the entire season now, as he gets surgery on a right foot that will pull him out for nine, four to six months, which conveniently came

after rumors of him being traded to Detroit Pistons were amidst the NBA world. Listen, I'd rather sit at home not play basketball for the rest of the summer and go to Detroit and play basketball for them.

And listen, respect, right? Respect. Because I wouldn't want to do that either. Someone saying road trip to Indiana coming up. Yeah, you'll pull up to Indiana. You'll be there, we'll be there. your old details are coming soon so so what if i brought a box of crayons please bring crayons we need that i need some crowns we're signing it we're signing all crayons i'll i'll take a bite

if you take a bite bro like we're we're with it we're with it all but what were you saying don't about sac would be in the i was just saying he made the right decision cutting off his foot instead of playing for the distance that's just good business you know yeah if you were asking will the show will the live show be streamed no it's not going to be streamed but it's going to be upload the next day. It's going to be edit. It's going to make a normal episode. So everything will be as normal unless you want to come and see episode 75 in person or 76.

Yeah. Yeah. But real quick, I got some donations to get to. Elena tip a dollar 50 cents. Mocheek's Monday is finally on a Monday. Let's fucking go. I wasn't feeling sickly this week. I got y'all. Shout to Elena. She's on a hot streak. This is like she's donated every single stream, I believe, that we've been on. Crazy.

Yep. A non-tip $5. Isaac better keep the same energy and not talk about the Celtics for more than 15 seconds after his bum-ass Lakers blew them out at home signed a hate-and-ass Celtics fan why would you bring it up

if I wasn't going to you? If you don't want me to talk about it why would you bring it up that was a weird way to try to get off some hate you just made yourself look bad my boy I don't know with that you should have just never said that

but next to the don't know you better not bring up your bum-ass team being the fuck out of my team yeah you let's Toy and Prince drop y'all off oh my good you got it You got it.

I had nothing to say about it. You brought it up, not me. Shit happens. Yeah, that's sick. So, Matthew took $5. Based on hype and potential, hype and potential, Zion is the greatest bust in NBA history.

He was meant to be a fair replacement for AD, but plays even less games that has zero dog. Listen. No. No. No. Not even close. No.

Not even close. No. I mean, like, Greg Oden is up there. Like, Greg Oden, when he was actually playing, was dominant you have him what who else is at the top of that list i mean the biggest one is obviously like lembias um you know i'm just saying i'm just dying don't know what he's supposed to do how that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying like god had other plans for man that's what i'm we're just talking about like hyping potential what everybody the heaven bells are calling is you calling him

a bust after he died everybody said that limb bias was going to be the guy and it just never In terms of what the expectation was, right? And what actually happened in reality, that is probably the biggest difference in NBA history. I was going to say Hashem to beat, but it will go with land bias. Yeah, I mean, you could, it would have been fair to go also say like someone like Ben Simmons considering the comparisons he was getting in shit. But damn, I don't say you're wrong. wrong but that's cold-hearted to the bias time if you're watching i'm so sorry that's funny

elena tip two dollars he said i'm she said i mostly don't need to get don't out the hood to be honest facts let's get donovan to the burbs he needs to get out the hood too wow donovan when did i get to the hood i was not aware that i was in the hood listen those eight town streets are crazy yeah i guess i live in a gated community Next story, let's talk about LeBron James. Again, we opened the last pod episode, if you guys got to see it, talking about how he has been on a drama rollout, I'll say.

He was doing some sub-tweets to whoever may be saying a lot of stuff in the media about this and that, clearly showing some discomfort with his team. Apparently he's reported to Winhorst, who knows where he got this from, that LeBron was simply using the Knicks to put pressure on the Lakers. after the Knicks game, he put a towel on his back, which is absolutely nothing. That's hilarious to be a story. But, you know, he's been doing a lot lately.

How do y'all feel about this? Bro, leave us alone, man. Leave us alone. If you're not going to come to the Knicks, leave us alone. Keep our names out your mouth, LeBron. Because you've been doing this for literally 14, 15 years, talking about, oh, yeah, like, I want to go to New York. It's my favorite place to play.

I love this. I love that. Putting the Knicks towel on this, you're using us, and I don't appreciate that. I see through your games, LeBron. I see it. Leave us alone. Please.

It's annoying. It's frustrating. Well, what if he ends up? There's a good chance he'd leave the summer. Then come on. Be about it. If you've been talking for years about playing for the Knicks. If you are serious about it, come play for the Knicks, right?

Leave the Lakers. Come play for the Knicks. And do the same thing that you did here or do the same thing that you did with all the other franchises here and win a championship. Then we can do all this. But if you're just going to be talking about it. flapping your gums please I mean it's not exactly

a free agent right now what you want to do it's the rumors he has the player option but he does he does this very frequently towards contract years and whenever he's upset and he keeps breadcrumming the nix and I don't appreciate it because we have something good going on right now

yeah I don't really care we'll see if he leaves as a liquor's at the point where if he leaves the errors played out and I'll be very sad, but it's not the end of the world. It would be cool to see them go to the Knicks, honestly, if all the place you could go to. Obviously, going back to the Cavs would be a cool thing

with the talent they have, but the Knicks would be awesome. You also got a championship out of your LeBron experience. Exactly. So I'm cool. If that didn't happen, I'd be in despair all the time, but I'm chilling. Exactly. Exactly. So we're just bored, and this is just mid-season LeBron drama that we're used to whenever his teams are ass or mid. LeBron's bored. He's going to doing this.

I see a comment The chat thing says The thoughts on Kaminga's recent rise We're going to get to that because I have some Yes, exactly. Stay tuned, my brother It's on the list Anyways, let's move on That's enough brawn talk

All-star snubs Trey Young was snubbed This is a tweet of him and Curry talking I don't know what that tweet's here, but Trey Young was snubbed How do y'all feel? Well So in that

tweet for context of it he was Steph Curry was like oh like don't worry about it you still him this is just politics which is like super interesting to talk about of course NBA fans feel like this all the time as players specifically like say no this is politics

when it comes to fan voting in terms of guards Trey it was like top two favorite right behind Halberton and this is just mostly a like coaching thing the coaches get to go ahead and pick the reserves and all that And Tray Young seems to like, over the last few years, he just hasn't been one of the favorite NBA players when it comes to the coaches for whatever reason.

We know the reason. It could be his play style. Hawks haven't been the most winning team in the last few years or throughout pretty much the entire tenture. So I'm happy that, like, everyone on the internet has been rejoicing and been like, not yet. This motherfucker should have been an all-star. It just makes things 10 times better with the tour, not tour, but like the gauntlet, I guess you could. say that he's been on he's went ahead with the bronze ass, whoop Kady's

ass, whoop Seth Curry's ass, he dropped 14 threes in the last two games, just insane. Stuff had 60. I was with you, I was with you. I was with you. That's 60 points. But who won the game? Would you have 60 and lose,

or have like 35 and win? How many wins do I have up until this point? 60 and lose? Give it the 60 ball. You're asking you know that question. I mean, it's pretty simple. Palo Bancaro made it and Tray Young didn't because Palo Bancaro is in the 8th seed and Trey Young's team is ass around him

There's no really way to argue that Palo Ban Caro is in a better player than Trey Young this year It's pretty much impossible If you do, you're acting in bad faith And either hate Trey Young Or you're just looking at the standings and deciding also that Like it's really hard to justify it Yeah and it's hard

It's hard when you get in the East Because out of the 12 spots Eight of them are from four teams There's four teams with two With two all-stars from their squads and I think it's very hard once you start picking and choosing because at that point now you really only have

four spots to go around and I think that Trey Young at this point and I've hated on Trey Young a lot for like yeah naturally listen for for obvious reasons but he also is and I think now he's starting to come back to kind of his right for this does kind of feel

like he is one of the more like underrated players because we've gotten to a point where the narrative with Trey Young has gotten too far into the negative. And this is back-to-back years that he's averaged 27 and 10. There's going to be three years where he's in the top three of the league and assist every single year. And there's just not a lot of players that do that, right? To be that good of a volume score and that impactful as a, as a playmaker for his team. And so when you look around the league,

why isn't Trey Young in two years, right? In three years, why isn't Trey Young an all-star every single year? Like he should be a lot in the way that Damian Lillard is where even when he's having a down year, we still look at him and we're like, okay, but that's Dane. Trey Young is doing very similar things where we can look up and after the slow start, that's Trey Young, right? That's the guy that we expect. And to say that he's not one of the 24, 26 best players in the league, that's kind of disrespectful.

Yeah. And it'll probably be the injury alternate for Julius Randall or Joel Embed, so it'll probably be rectified. But it's just crazy that he has two All-Stars and he probably should have four or five, which we can say in hindsight that, I guess, based off previous years. But last year, nobody was upset about it, right? It was the first year. They were disastrous and it was like, it's fine. But it's, you mentioned that the Dame example is he just gets it because he's Dame. But he's also the two-seed, you know, and there's like, there's so much.

much winning bias in all-star these days. But that's not because of him, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's not, but I mean, it's not, it's not, it's not, he's still been productive and good, you know? But either way, you said four teams or what you say, 18s, I fred was, have multiple all-stars. Yeah, because of winning.

Every way you just go so towards, like, this team has this many wins, this place and standings, so they deserve two all-stars. And it's just, I feel like it's such a weird backwards thought. Like, this is an all-N-B-A. I hate the idea of, like, so-and-so team deserves this many all-stars. I feel like it just should be a more individual award. Not entirely, but the scale's too far towards winning, I think. Yeah, exactly.

And I think this needs to be, two things need to happen. The scale needs to be realigned and people really just need to focus on who are one of the best 24 players in the entire NBA. That's where like 70 to 80% of the conversation needs to be had. And then also another thing that needs to happen is that JJ Wright's been pushing this propaganda over the last, what, two, three weeks or whatever, saying that the 12th, All-Star spots in the Eastern and Western Conference was made before we had like 30 teams in the NBA. The league, of course, has expanded since then, and we just quite literally, there's way more talent in the league, and the math is maddening.

We literally need more roster spots as well. Yeah, it was 23 teams last time it expanded, so that's how many teams were in the league, and now there's 30, you know? Seven more teams, no all-star spots. And I was listening to numbers on the board, and Kenny was talking about it. Right now, 3% of the league gets into the All-Star game. back then in 1992 it was 9% whatever it's the same on all-star spots less team so

it's just it's massively harder to get in and like that matters historically because you can look back at 1992 All-Stars and it can look exactly the same but that was just like mathematically it was easier to get there you know what I mean like more percentage the league got there so not like it has to be back to 9% today that would be a big big roster upsize but like

can I get to six can you can you mean the middle like probably yeah exactly And what's interesting, too, is that the NBA a couple of years ago, they expanded how many roster spots in general each and every NBA team are allowed to have. And to see that, see them do that and not follow up with doing the same thing with the All-Star roster that's kind of like a head scratcher. And that's really showing that that changes need to probably be happy soon. Yeah. So Tray Young was obviously the biggest step in the east. Tray Young was the biggest step of the east.

He probably should have been over Palo Bancaro who, like I said in the last pod. I actually cut the line because I didn't want to be a hater because I feel like I've been shitting on pallet too much I wish I didn't cut it where I said that he's entirely coasting off

of the first month of the season when the team was really good and he was labeled as like the number one option on this good surprising team go look at his stats in January here it's not that great

like it's a bit shocking efficiency-wise but what about the West obviously there's no kings a lot of people have a lot of issue with that they're like how did the kings not get any all-stars

and the Lakers get too or whatever do you feel like the kings deserve one they they deserve one if and this is going to sound like hate and it's it's really not but like if car anthony towns is going to be the twelfth guy then the kings deserve one see i like that more i like that yeah yeah because in my in my opinion rudy gober should have been the pick over car and anthony towns i don't i don't understand how cat was the guy because point for name yeah right but the the the timble was entire season has been based on their defense and the fact that they are the best defense in the league. And you are that because you have the defensive player of the year in your,

you know, manning your, your defense. And so he should have been the second one because the offense, even as great as Kat has been, he's made a lot of adjustments to help the Timberwolves and help their offense. And it looks, you know, a little bit more fluid than it was last year. But even then, their offense still isn't good, right? It's not a, it's not, not a great offense it's a lottery level exactly they are good because of their defense and rudy gober should be the guy especially if he's going to be the best defender in the league come come april when we give him d p o why like that's messed up yeah and like if you want to give to cat or say if you don't want to give it to sub bonus the only reason cats on there is because

of the one seed and people say the one seed deserves two all stars and i say fucking why they are a great team because of depth and they have lots of pieces two big men who are bringing a lot to the table in their own unique ways Anthony Edwards, Jamie McDaniel's a great wing, you know, it's accumulation of talent and everybody contributing. They're not if the Lakers are the one seed, it would be because

LeBron A.D. are going crazy because they don't have that type of supporting cast. Not the case of the Timberwolves. It's like I have it pulled up right now. Sabonis versus Kat. You're not going to find anybody in the fucking world now that's telling you Kat is having a better season in Sabonis. Yeah. Yeah. You're right about that. I think the thing with the

Sacramento Kings that kind of like skewed them and why everyone's like kind of ooh ah like the kings have been really man they have really identical records up up until this point compared to last season but last season is completely different because they had the whole light beam thing and they have like been very good for the first time in like 17 18 years type shit you know and so now that these expectations have been placed on the kings and the fans and all that everyone's so like cool off of them which is kind of wrong but at the same time it's just how the NBA works sadly nowadays. Yeah, and this isn't even getting to Deerrin Fox,

who's been excellent. Yeah. And it really is, it really is like when you sit back. It's just politics because you talk about like the sons, the sons have two all-stars and they're below the kings in the standing, right? The pelicans, the pelicans have no all-stars and the Lakers have two. The pelicans are above the Lakers in the standings. And so obviously, right, now look, I'm not going to say.

here and act like like zion or b i has had a better season than a d right but if we but if everyone's like oh the once he deserves this this many um all-stars and we're giving this winning bias then okay there's a whole bunch of teams above these other you know above these other teams that are in the playing lower down on the playoff scale that if that's your logic then let's stick to it and let's let's move move like that but it's just it's not the case but i i truly think that that d'am fox should have been an All-Star over a car and Anthony Towns, if that was the pick. Listen, all this would be solved by expanding

to 15-man rosters. All of it. If we had Subonis, Fox, and Sangoon added to the West, and then Trey Young, Scotty Barnes, and whoever you want, add it to the East, there'd be very little issue. But then there would be no content about all-star snubs.

So let's do it. But where's Jamal Murray? Where's so-and-so? Like, there would always be more names to add to the bottom of the list of teams Just feeling slighted. Getting to the 16th person in the conference is like, you're good. It's okay.

It's okay. We can move on from All-Star Snows. We know it's, it's iffy. Next thing. We're not going to talk about that. What's the little wisdom? What is this? Let's see.

Oh, yeah. LeBron has a comment where he said, the cars, the jewelry, and all the other dumb shit don't matter. I see a lot of these kids get so on focus about stuff that is so material that can lose their focus, worry about the game and everything else will take care of itself and then

I gotta find it somebody quoted it with a tweet of the Charlotte Hornets all of them where they're all they're all iced out with some jewelry

that came to the hotel room yeah I can find it yeah I couldn't find that shit either but for more context and yeah everyone that's the Melo Ball's brand and the overall

like Charlotte Hornets seems to be that their go-to thing they love all the nice and fancy things their best players mellow so of course they're gonna like

you know what I'm saying be all around him and be with you but most of the NBA is like that anyways but um this is hilarious but also so very true to hear and this is lebron just go ahead and spreading his little wisdom to everyone bro in the world this is what people need to hear yeah just shooting out lewisdom all right next up feeding out louisdum is crazy oh my god next story breaking news let the killian hayes sweepstakes begin get your bids in he wants a new team he's requesting a trade let the bidding war commence why bench players talking like starters like why are we doing this right and i understand right

that moni williams may love you and he gave you some some time you're a bench player right that's that's that's your role and i just i can understand wanting to go somewhere else you say this behind closed doors. There's literally nothing positive that can come from Killian Hayes going publicly with a trade request. You have to know yourself and know the situation that you're in

before you start talking like this. Not only is he a bench player, he's the worst score in modern NBA history. Statistically, that's not a hyperbole. Maybe it was better this year, but last year he had one of the worst shooting percentages from a guard in the history of the NBA.

Yeah, let's talk about it. I don't know what any other team. 45% true shooting last year. 47% true shooting this year. Oh my God. I don't even, like, for reference, Jared Vanderbilt probably has like a 45. This guy stinks. Yeah, exactly.

It's getting really nasty here. Kelly and Hayes, I have no idea what's going on over there and what his campus thinking. The Pistons are literally one of the worst teams we've seen in a very long time. And he's getting a good amount of opportunity there. I just came from H&M. earlier today. See that white bag on my chair right there? I just saw a sign when I was over there. Hiring models. Kelly and Hayes, I think he would be a fantastic candidate. He will be

immaculate. He, that is his job. That is, that is a role that I think he will be able to feel perfectly. Yeah, look that face. That's a model face. Exactly. You can do it. It feels like I seen him on, fucking A-Sos, bro. He's just like skin in French. Is he even French? Like, is he an American that grew up there? Is he French? I'd ever heard of I think he was born in Florida, and then he, like, grew up in France. So does he have, like, a French accent? Yeah, he does. Oh, okay.

I've never heard of talk. I watched a mini documentary. Do you watch that Killian Hayes mini documentary? Yes, fuck. Leave me alone. Oh, my God. Yeah, nasty. Hey, chat, spam it up with a pointing emoji.

This motherfucker's watching Killian Hayes documentaries. Spam it up in the chat. Yeah, man, documentary. That's disgusting. I thought he was the one coming out of the 2020 NBA. I thought he was Drew Holiday-esque. Oh, my God. In the meantime, we had donations to read when you think about your decisions in life.

Yeah, let's do that. Humza tip $3. He said, Don looks like a young Lovar Burton. Honestly, check it out. It's dead on. Love the streams, and you guys got me into basketball from the UK. Shout out you guys. All right, let's check out young Lovar Burton.

Who is this man? first of all shout out to the UK you know you know I rock with the mandum I don't think this is me yeah listen a lot of these comparisons are on this looks absolutely nothing like Donovan

I won't give you racism showing up again you you're constantly spamming Ryan Clark and I believe that one but this one doesn't quite do it for me

thank you for the dono but my man thank you for the donor yourself in the mirror and smack the back of your head because that was on Ethan 26

Ethan 2060 We've been talking about The Hawks selling But what if they buy instead Dejante plus Hunter And a first For McHale Bridges and Dinwiddie Dinwiddie's contract expires

This summer And the Hawk can go get a third star after They're not going to trade McHale Bridges They treat that man like he's made of gold Yeah The broken nets have no one sent up to go ahead and do that

For Dezante It doesn't make any sense Max tipped one dollar Let's be honest LeBron is gone after this year Because he's going wherever Bronny's going Trade him to at least get something out of him My guy Brani is not coming into the draft this year

Very unlikely I think Listen He might He might He could He definitely is He's going to get picked up It's not definitely is

There's a good chance he doesn't He goes back for another year I think he definitely is If Brony comes out If Brony comes out And declares for the draft I would be shocked if LeBron doesn't make that call and be like, listen, can we at least get him on the G-League team, right? Oh, he could draft it.

He could draft it for sure if he came out this year. That's what I'm saying. No, I'm not saying he would get drafted, but he can come out and be a second-round pick or go back for another year. You know, he had, he went into cardiac arrest six months ago, so he missed the beginning of the season. And he's, like, hasn't had a full minute slow being able to have an actual training camp get under his feet under his belt. He's, like, trying to make up ground as he goes. It wouldn't be shocking if he took another year to. really find his game and develop i think that's that yeah honestly that's the right that's the

right route that he should go with but i mean money's money at the end of the day it's going to be there regardless one yeah it's going to be there for sure because he's brawny but considering like lebron is 39 years old going to be for you next season and he has the opportunity to switch over i think lebron's going to make tap in make those calls tapping to his year be like nah bro i'll be staying next year you see at us USC why i would hope that lebron prioritizes brawny's career and not his own. I don't hope so. If you watch any interview, he'll be like, no, man. This is my career too. Time for John the Camiga propaganda, yo. Okay. This be pulled up. So Camilla calls out this, by the way. Everybody knows this. As soon as you get a

haircut, plus 10 attributes across the board. It doesn't matter if you are in the NBA. It doesn't matter if you're in middle school. It doesn't matter if you hoop at 24 hour fitness. Go get a haircut, plus 10 attributes across the board It's just the way to go Pre-haircut and pre-coach callout John the Camingo is averaging 12.8 points 28% from 3 and 4.1 rebounds Post-haircut, 21.2 points

44% from 3 and 6 rebounds He's figuring it out. He has been great as of late. I'll find another one. I saw another one that his stats over the last 8 games you also can talk about this but he's been fantastic. He's been eating bro. Now something I always say is like

as he's been fantastic, this looks so fucking bad for Steve Kerr. So bad. Because it's like, okay, like, I understand not giving him the burn during his first year. Second year, eh, kind of iffy. But putting, but like, torturing him and putting

on the bench and him having to, him and his camp having to come out and voice out and put out to the media, the displeasure that they feel towards you and all this other stuff is kind of crazy. And if I'm Warriors' ownership, I'm not like looking at Steve Kerr with him.

magnifying class necessary but i'm like this man kind of needs some help when it comes to talking when it comes to navigating these young players listen you're not i am because this team has been bad all year long and you had this guy who just waiting the average 20 off the bench draymond is punching people clay thompson does not look the same you clearly need a spark and we have one that we drafted three years ago and you've refused to play him and why did take you being called out in in front of everybody for you to finally give him some playing time like no that that actually is a major red flag and if i was the front office like hey we're going to have to have a conversation about this i'm not saying anything is going to happen from me he's

he's not getting fired right but like that that is that's a strike on the record if we're being real yeah but he's been great man he's starting to put together that athleticism you're starting to see it be harness more mostly because he's getting touches he's getting more on-ball looks than he was before which like it seems like he's been telling people every time it goes to the media like yo I can score put the ball in my hands I can do more than stay on the corner and cut like I have a bag and he's been showing it like he used that politicism he's very fast and knows that he uses his body can change his speed get his mid-range jumpers like he's been good he's legitimately good slasher not a bad defender by any means and like you know

he can do something with the ball in his hands question is how much of that do you want him to do with the ball in his hands when you know you have a Steph Curry-like team typically you'd want that role to be a little bit more off ball running in their offense. But right now they fucking suck, and nothing is working, so they'll take what they can get. Yeah, if they had a prime Clay Thompson, then I would be like, okay, maybe we shouldn't, maybe we don't need a million Jonathan Camingo possessions. But since Steph Curry is the only person who consistently wants to hoop, I'm hosting open tryouts, and anybody who can come and score 25 consistently,

or scored 20 consistently, like Kaminga's doing, you can have the ball in your hands. And that's what he's showing. And everything that he's doing is massive for the war. He's also shooting fucking 56% from 3, which is absurd. Like, if you're going to be doing that, fucking fire away. Keep going. You can shoot more of this stuff.

If you show it every time, I don't care. Yeah, I know a lot of Jonathan Kaminga truthers back when he was in high school are hella happy right now. And this just goes to show, like, situation is quite literally every single thing for any young NBA player. It's never bad to be drafted to a winning organization as a late, which is the Golden State Warriors. But it's always bad when you have a coach who doesn't believe you elect because Jonathan Kaminga's play style isn't like, the Warriors have never had a player like him. The closest player, too, and maybe like is like in his archetype, maybe like Andrew Wiggins because of Roth lesses him and sheer like,

talent if that's the word but he's like the most why would we pick this guy like Warriors type player ever and to see him thrive is amazing and I know bro I just feel so sad for Steve Kerr it's just like come on man

why you feel bad for him it's annoying I feel bad for the fans because it's annoying as hell to be fair Kamiga wasn't good to start the year he played bad like he didn't necessarily play great in like does demand minutes part of that clearly is because he was in a role

he's not comfortable in. That's not his game. Clearly, his game is not to stand the corner and he plays better when he's in a comfortable state getting more opportunity, so good for him. But, you know, Steve Carr should have recognized that and put him in better position to succeed, but it's not like it was this like rising star banging at the door showing he needs more touches. Like, he has gotten better and like materially has earned more. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I would say though, players all the time have bad starts, but what really fucks or what really like is a terrible sign for just all. head coach is not Steve Kerr, is that we have a super tight leash on a young player

who you eventually, or the front office eventually wants to see thrive and grow. You have that tight leash, you fuck with a player's confidence, you fuck with his overall chemistry with the team, and you fuck with him as a player, and you literally distort his trajectory as an individual, so. Yeah, yeah, he definitely, we should have got to this conclusion much sooner and not so much by dire necessity like they have been. Anyway, speaking of dire necessity, the Chicago Bulls, are looking like they're not going to make any trades.

Nicole Vucevich said he doesn't want them to either. He believes we have enough. No, of course he believes that because he doesn't want to move to another city and have to buy a new house. He doesn't want to be on the chopping block. But it seems like everybody within this organization wants to keep the team together

and they don't seem very motivated to go through a rebuild. And it's honestly just hilarious. I'm so curious, man. What do they see? Wait, what do you drink it? Damn. Man, it's a glooper.

A little Alani energy drink. What flavor is that again? Kim Aide. Okay, cool. It's like a pink lemonade. I'm jealous. Anyways, I'm very curious to know what the Bulls see when they watch this basketball team and how they make the jump from we're in the playing.

And Zach Levine is electing to get press surgery to, yeah, this. team can win a championship like what what is it about this team that makes them want to keep this entire squad together like these they just have to be the best of friends the vibes have to be absolutely immaculate regardless of the record because nobody wants to leave anybody's side it's crazy what they see is if we trade all these guys will be terrible and we're currently leading the league in attendance at the moment we're making lots of money at the gate and if we don't do that and we have a terrible team we're going to make less money because nobody's in the come watch a 15 win team that's rebuilding and our pockets we're not steve bomber we want to be

profitable and lead a team that is competitive and successful and maybe the goal isn't to win a championship it's to be a good business that's what they see things can be true at once i believe both of those things are true and also something else that may be true they may have a bunch of nematodes in that front of running around and not what the fuck is going on right so as a now like bro they just they like you said they see the profitability but even then i sit down and think to myself if y'all are already this asked how much worse do you have to get to see like attendance drop off like that doesn't really make any sense i see some comments in the chat saying i thought y'all us are ranking trades we're gonna get there we're going through the storylines right now and the

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Jared Vanderbilt is injured and it's feared he could be lost for the whole season but right now they're going to re-evalued him in three to four weeks they're putting off the season-ending surgery to see if he heals up before they make that you know like drastic move does this impact how you get the Lakers doll ahead of the trade deadline

ass is ass man what type of ass are they? You let me know well I'm going to sleep I'm going to sleep with this news. I don't care. It sucks for Jared. Poor guy.

But yeah. It doesn't move me with the Lakers. Like the fact, and we've talked about it all year, but the fact that LeBron and AD have been great and healthy all year long, and they still suck. Jared Vanderbilt can come back and play all 82 games and play 48 minutes a night. He could be as available as possible, and it would not matter. Damn.

It's just not going to happen. That's tough. Yeah. Well, that's our Jared Vanderbilt talk. The liquors are in despair. We'll see if they make moves a deadline. This sucks for them. They need all the help they can get.

Losing a only strong defensive wing they have is not ideal. So we'll see how it impacts their already iffy season. Pain. We're 43 minutes into the stream. We are here for what you guys have been waiting for. We're going to go through some NBA trades. What we're going to do is I'm going to show some trades. We're going to talk about what we're going to talk about.

whether we think they're good, bad, talk about where we think these players should be traded. And chat, I want you all to spam it up every trade for the W or an L and for which teams. Real simple. Let me make it so you guys

see my screen. Let's engage. Chat. Let's lock in. This is your chance to showcase your GME skills. Is it W or L trade? This is a common one I've been seeing

for a while, Drummond to OKC for Poku in some seconds. Do you think Drummond moves a needle for the OKC Thunder? Is this a double trade or an L trade? Moving the needle is a stretch. To W trade.

Moving needle sounds like he's like a super impact player If that changes the trajectory of your team Or can win you a playoff game, Drummond's nice But I would do the needle You can just move the needle a little bit You know, it can be a little up there There's got to be a huge moving in a needle Yeah, you can just get a slightly ticket

They're already at the top of the Western Conference There's not the needle can't move much further For the Thunder and so it's like they are a legitimate title threat if you get a backup big which everybody has been asking them to do all year long this would solve the problem of getting a backup big

so yeah it's a good move this is very cheap so it'd be cool with it I don't love the idea of drumming as much as everybody else does because if they get a big I really wish it could be like a stretch big which is hard to you know it's hard to find in bigger champion choosers if you're not going to give up a lot of assets but like I really want to get Kelly Olinick because I think so much of what makes them great right now

is the fact that they always have five out spacing and always have five guys in the court who can handle the rock, can set screens, do everything, you know, like attack closeouts, beat the screener or the ball handler. That's such a huge part of who they are. And like somebody like Kelly Linnick is good at that stuff, so they'd be perfect.

Drummond would drastically change that because they don't currently have anybody in lineup that just like is a big dude that stands there, you know? Not really Drummond's game to put the ball on the floor. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It sucks. I see the vision with this If they match up with the team like the Lakers Or the Nuggets or any

Literally any team that has a super physical big Send Drummond in there for like five, ten minutes Throw a shoulder into that man's chest Because he is hurting check hole room too much That's the value that I've seen that And I think that is worth it This is a W trade I see the chat of spamming W as well

I think this is I think I'm happy with this Let me take Do you call it in Good job a quag bar good for you man oh my god this is an insane trade I'm scrolling past that one

please if you have brothers listen brothers and sisters crayon eaters alike if you are making 24 player trades don't send that to us

that's just never going to happen 24 players are getting traded come on now let's be realistic pTC bunch of numbers says Kevin Herder and Donovan Mitchell

I mean, and Davey on Mitchell, oops, for Gary Trent Jr. Toronto continues to clean house and gets a young piece with Mitchell. The Kings get a definitive upgrade to the shooting car position without giving up significant assets. Gary Trent's expiring, so not a huge commitment, and you get off the Kevin Herder money long term. Okay, the question is, do you think Kevin Herder's been so bad, you got to dump him for a one-year rental? For Gary Trent? No, Gary Trent hasn't even been that amazing so far this season as well. Now, he hasn't been, like, as inconsistent as someone like Kevin Herder, but,

Gary fans, Gary is averaging like 12 points. He's shooting like 42% from the three point line, which is nice. But I wouldn't, I wouldn't go. I wouldn't make this move because it's too much friction for a player that might make you like 0.5% better. It's not worth it. I'm not even sure if Gary Trent's better than Kevin Herder. I value Kevin Hurter's facing an offball movement way too much. Like the fact that he's just running around means it's tremendous value from you all, of court.

I wouldn't do it. You guys, you guys already know how I feel about like trade season and trade talk. And one of the reasons why I'm not the biggest fan of it is because we get a lot of stuff like this, like this trade. And there's like a, no, but like there's also a lot of reporting in this way. We had it in the doc earlier where we skipped over with the, like the Mab's with the Mab's bucks trade where it's like Grant Williams for Bobby Ford is. And there's so many trades where it's like, one team is like, hey, could you give us that one guy that would actually. make us a legitimate title contender and he's really good and in return i'll give you a player who's playing bad and wait for it is also on a bad contract how does that sound are you enticed

and it's just so many trades like this who do you feel as a bad player in the bad contract in this who do you feel as a player that can make him win a title i think that like i think in this case the idea that that uh that kavan hurder's playing so bad and on and on that contract that you feel that you have to move off of him but not going to do that like it's fine it's okay all right i'll take l trade sorry dude on to the next next one we got i've heard i'm learning better as of late too so it's not worth it malcolm malcolm brogden for fournier grimes and this year is mavericks first we've been over that lot too much too much too much though you're not getting 408 and grimes and a first you say

fournier like you give a fuck about fourne yeah he's just money i'm you're not getting the first and grimes there that that that makes that makes that makes sense Or 48. Like, put it on. Forty-eight. 48. Okay, we got a big one here. Let's zoom out a little bit.

Brandon Clark, Zaire Williams, and Xavier Tillman, as well as a 2024 first-round pick for the Grizzlies, all go to the Raptors in exchange for Yakupodal, Jaylon McDaniels, and Detroit's second-round pick, which is essentially a 31st pick. This is a... I like the idea, but 20-24-first, unless that first doesn't belong to the Grizzlies.

Grizzlies, this is a terrible... It's the Grizzlies first. So, I mean, the Grizzlies first... Oh, it's going to be high. Yeah, then I can know it with the first-run first-upers. That's terrible. Yeah. So let's call it another first-round pick in the future.

Would you... Yeah, if it's somebody else's first-round pick, maybe, but even then... I like the idea of Yacopoldo going to the Grizzlies because, you know, they got to get rid of Stephen Adams. But the problem is they got rid of Stephen Adams for financial reasons because they're going to have a hard time keeping everybody together pretty soon. And Yacopoto is on a four-year, $20 million-dollar deal,

so he's not exactly cheap i think he might make just as much if not more than stephen adams did so they wouldn't have got rid of stephen adams if they were in the market for a yacob potu i don't think yeah i would label this as an ells trade i think i see a few people in the chat agreeing with that sentiment as well it just is like bro give it up a whole first for yacob again is like he's a great player he's a phenomenal player for yacob is chicken people every year phenomenal yeah for what he does i mean yeah it's cool set screens you big as hell you deter shots like you we appreciate players like you but this would be great for the raptors to get out of that hole they dug themselves into and get

a first back for yacob if they stupidly gave one up ooh yeah that'd be great for them we need to start being more selective with our adjectives phenomenal and fantastic is a bit much and he's phenomenal and fantastic in his role what do you expect man he's good in his role let's just use the word good all right so the bucks get Marcus Smart and Xavier Tillman I like that

in exchange for Bobby Portis Pat Conantin Marjean Bochamp and two second round picks this trade would move me if I'm the Milwaukee Bucks move me off my chair keep in mind

they have no depth right now and this is even less depth so is Marcus Smart enough to fix their problem to make you have even less depth losing two wings and your backup big for Smart and Tillman

who is not particularly good if you do this you are running a six and a half man rotation and everybody is going to somebody's getting hurt before the conference finals if you even make it that far i can't do you all let's spam and w in the chat do you understand who would be on the milwaukee bucks bench do you want to see zavier tilman in a playoff series against the boston celtics jesus christ what this is all about marcus martin the iffy value that he brings to the Milwaukee bucks i think personally line up a dame Marcus Smart Chris Milton whatever's left to him Janice and Brooke Lopez

is fantastic who's the one of the first people come off that bench it gets kind of shaky after you have that conversation and I think campaign playing 35 minutes brother

I can't I can't do it I don't like it I can't do it no you can't give a Bobby Connithin and Marjan like three of your tradable pieces that are interesting

you can't give them all up for Marcus Margeau And your only second round picks left, like you don't have a lot This would be, this is a bit much This would be the Let me see, let me see Because Bobby's shooting 38% from three this year And Markis is also a fucking cone

Listen, Marcus Smart shooting 31% from three Yeah, well Bobby's a fucking cone And Marcus Marcos Mar is a good defender, which is what they need Yeah, Marcus Marcosmar brings value all around Take out either con-take-out-bo-champ from this And I'll feel better about it I could get behind maybe Bobby and Pat for Marcus Martin Tillman, but you can't throw Bochamp in there. Also, the guy is coming back from an injury as well in a couple weeks.

I'm okay. I'm okay. Yeah, that is true. Yeah, this will cap lock the bucks, and they're already, like, stuck with this core players already. And, like, they would be left with no other move to get better. they'd have to wait like they have to wait for different first round picks to come in as time goes on and you just don't have that time to waste at all and plus like who they have coming off the bench a j green he's a great player but he's like super young Andre jackson junior he's actually a player yeah i know but when he has played he's actually he'd have to he's good though he made this straight he'd have to yeah the dog rover doesn't play young people they're just going to play campaign in 60 minutes yeah that's the issue so it's like at that point it's time when you have when you have these all these conversations and go through the layers of it

it's not worth it robin lopez get ready to play starting minutes we're running double bigs every fucking minute of the game oh my god yuck it losing a first round we got jeremy and chris murray for bow yon and killian hayes oh brother this dude is in the trenches he's either a blazers fan or a goddamn pissus fan oh my goodness i don't know why i clicked that trade That is hilarious. That's Killane Hayes' Burning. This one has the Thunder getting Santi Aldama.

Why? My bad. I keep clicking in stupid-ass trades. I'm sorry, y'all. Sautilama's a... Actually, that wasn't too stupid. My bad. My bad, Angelita.

Let me go back to your trade. Let me... I'm misread. So the Thunder gets Santi Aldama. The Clippers get Trey Man and a variety of second round picks. And the Grizzies get Kobe Brown, Bones Highland, a first-round pick and a second-round pick. I don't think Santi-Alama is getting.

getting the Grizzlies, Bones Highland, and a first round pick. I'm sorry. Santee's a good player. He's a good player. He's a big. He could play that

Thunder style basketball. But I think that's a little bit too much. Yeah, Bones and a... Yeah, Sonti's not moving the needle that much. That's a lot to give up with the Thunder. You give a first round pick, like five second round picks and Trey Mann for Santi Aldama.

What do you think he is? Let's have some self-awareness about who we are, right? Let's understand the situation. Anthony Simons to the magic for Fultz and Jonathan Isaac and a pick.

Ooh, this moves. That moves me a lot. I don't know if Anthony Simons is available, but if he was, this would move me a lot. Yeah, I would say he's definitely probably not available, at least not right in this moment in time. But if this happened for the Orlando

Magic, this would solidify them as a playoff team year in and year out. They're already a playoff team right now, but they've been a slip in the slide and stuff like that. But he's a perfect type of player that they need on side Paulo and Franz, considering the lack of shooting

and how Paulo has had struggles with his efficiency. Simons is a, he's a perfect glove fit. You're trying to get, y'all trying to get McHill Bridges to the Kings? We got McHill Bridges and Dorian Phiney Smith, one of the Kings for Harrison Barnes,

Kevin Herder, Dave Yon Mitchell, and two first-on-bix. If I'm the Kings, I can't accept the trade fast enough. Right? I'd say, wait, wait, wait, wait, are you for a real? You want to do? Yes, yes, deal, deal, deal, deal, deal, deal.

Stop playing me. But yeah, no, this would be a great trade for the Kings. I don't think the Nets would ever do this. They wouldn't. People would have to be drunk and high at the same time to offer them. There's a report that the Nets turned down five first-on-picks-for-bridges. They're fucking insane. They're not getting rid of Bridges

unless they're getting Yannis and Acoupo in those doors. And even then. You better attach some picks to Yannis. Listen, Yonis is about to be 30. He's over the hill. You better sweeten the pot.

That's hilarious. We don't do one for one trades over here. This is a lot of McKele Bridges. Everybody wants McHale Bridges on their team. Yeah, then that sucks. McHill Bridges in a second round pick for Jalen Green, Jeff Green, Jashon Tate, and two first round picks.

does Jalen Greene move you another Cam Thomas on the Nets but worse We can't have two of them on the same team And he's worse than Cam Thomas This hurts This hurts, this hurts This is a null and void trade

They got some donos Tyrone tip $2 He said Can y'all do some basketball videos in the future Potentially Carter Shaw tip $5 Who on the bucks can they Who in the bucks can they even trade for

Because this team is losing the first round. Also, how much of the buck struggles do you blame on Janus? Absolutely zero are blamed on Janus. I think if he had a bag, they would probably be a little bit better, but I mean, I'm not that's gross. That's gross. On to the next trade. So I think the Super Sonic should trade Michael Jordan for Pepe Sanchez. Nice man. Perfect reaction. Johnson for Davos Bertons and Poku, assuming you throw some picks in there too. Does Cam Thomas, Cam Johnson move you on the Thunder? Yeah, I like that.

I like that. I actually like that a good deal. They have to, anybody that you can swap out in that Josh Giddy position and put like a competent NBA player, that would, that would move the needle for me for the Thunder. And to have somebody who can actually space the floor and do that while you have your two, you know, primary ball handlers and Shane Jane and Williams. That fits, and I like that a lot. Cam Thomas, I don't, I like him as a player.

Tim Johnson. Oh, Cam Johnson. Okay, thank God. That's a completely different discussion. I would do that in a heartbeat. Yes. Putting somebody in timeout real quick in the chat. Hey, yo.

I'm on time off. Before y'all, y'all, y'all. Oh, my goodness, bro. Let's see these preons today. Geez. Yeah, you'll spam crayons, if not N words, Jesus. In February? In February?

Can it last one week? The first Monday of the month? Y.B. Hoops says, Clickapella and DeJante Murray to the Golden State Warriors. The Hawks get Andrew Wiggins, Gary Payton, Moses Moody, a first-on-pick, and two second-round picks. Do Clinton-Dizante move you in Golden State? Yes.

Slow to hell. because that conversation ends as soon as you talk about our turn, the Hawth return. A first-hand pick? If you swapped, if you swapped one of the seconds, if that was two first-on picks and one second. I don't think they can't trade two, I don't think. Can they even do that?

No, they can only show one, I think. Okay, never mind. But Moody's there. Moody for Clint and then a first and two seconds for Dejante? I, why would the Warriors even do? I mean, Clint, I understand, clearly. but Dezante, I wouldn't really understand because... They need players, Mo.

They suck. They're bad. I understand their ass. But if you're bad, do you want to get better? Dezonte makes you better because they're ass, but I don't know how much better he makes you. We're just trying to get better. It's just a day-by-day process. That's all they're trying to do.

Sure. But you're getting blocked by me, man. Let's see. Where are we going next? A lot of bullshit in here. This one looks decent. We got the Hawks getting used. Dilo, Austin Reeves, the Knicks

2024 first round pick, and two Knicks first round picks, essentially, because they put 24 and 2025, but they can't do that. The Knicks get Sadiq Bay, and the Lakers get Dejante. Now, why the fuck with the Knicks go up two first round picks versus Sadiq Bay? Now, this is the Lakers and or a Hawks fan, bro.

This is a Hawks fan. Are you kidding me? They want Austin Reeves and two first-on picks for Deshanté and Sadiq Bay. He is in the trenching with me. Listen. Oh, my gosh. goodness bro let's enjoy the moment we're on a four-game win streak right now last time i took we're tied up with the los angeles clippers let's just enjoy the moment god chat spam up ls for this

trade man yeah massive else chat you're you're a little quiet chat spam up so i mean you see w's and ls for these trades i need to know y'all's opinions all these trades some of these are horrible and i want y'all to let him hear i agree ben simmons for kelvin johnson doug mcd and a first-round pick you all want to see ben simmons next to win Listen, anything that you can do to get a return from Ben Simmons, go ahead and make that trip. First I'm picking Kelton Johnson and we're cooking. I actually like this a lot. It's Charlotte's first round pick too.

Oh, Charlotte's first round pick? I'm sure it's heavily protected. Yeah, okay. I would do this. I would be so interested to do this if I was the Spurs. Low expectations for someone like Ben Simmons. Just get the fucking ball in Wemby's hand. If anybody can get you the ball, Ben Simmons.

is one of those players, so I do that. Devin Moreto says, Isaac, do you think he could be my long-lost father? Please say yes. Yeah, it's on the table. What? What is happening? Best one on the soundboard.

What? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Sons get Miles Bridges, Hornets get Nizier, little in a first-round pick. This is probably going to happen, and it's gross. If you're a Suns fan, you should feel gross about it.

Look, I understand the game and the hustle, but what happened to shame? What happened to shame for real? Like a low-level, scummy move, bro. Matt Ishbia, you wouldn't, never run. Next team. Three-team trade. The Magic received Rui Hachimora and DeLo. The Lakers received DeJante and Jalen Suggs.

The Hawks receive a Magic first-round pick, a Lakers' first-round pick, Fultz, and some salary. Okay, interesting. Lakers get Suggs in Dejante, the magic get Rui and Dilo in exchange for basically Fultz Sugs in a first round pick. I don't know why you give up a pick there if you're the magic. Does Dilo move you there? He fits. He fits for the sake of just like he does, he's the archetype of player that we want and he's like he can take us to that next level in terms of stepping stone similar to what the Minnesota Timberwolves did. I would do this if I'm a magic girl but you lose Daniel and Sokes

is a big part of our identity and I would just hang up the phone Yeah you don't give him a first round pick for Dilo and Rui The first and Suggs can't do it Can't do it That's a terrible Terrible

I'm not giving up assets Yeah they're not I'm glad they're not GMs I'm not giving up to ask for DeAngelo Russell at this point in his career Like that's just not happening He can't play for my team terrible trade

yeah some people were saying hell no I don't want to do low on my team as you shouldn't you shouldn't I mean depends on what you give enough for him for you to get him for cheap whatever like he could be helpful but you don't need to go up Suggs in a first round pick essentially to get him yeah momo donated $5

I made a PayPal account on the spot for you bums what's your guys's favorite numbers on a basketball jersey give me one for each of you mine is 10 what do you think demo what's your favorite number I think 15 is cool 15 nice

I think 15 is cool I like three three's pretty cool yeah that's a good number Ripsy donated $5 love to show if there was an award for a second round pick

rookie the year who would be a 2023 pick and why is it Tumani Kamara I need to see who got picked in the second right yeah we all got to do research with this one together

let's pull it up 2023 NBA draft Let's go look at the second round Was he a second rounder? No, he's late first Let's see Wait, is this 2023? Yeah

Yeah Okay, so we got Who's interesting here? Do do, do, do, do, too, not seeing anybody yet It might be too Monty Kumar I might have to just be him Because

Tracy Jackson Davis Trace, yeah Oh, Trace Jackson Davis Yeah, for sure Trace Jackson Davis would He, Steve Kerr pulled a lot of his minutes now that he's found a lot of time for Jonathan Kaminga. But once Steve Kerr gets out of the weird old man,

ah, only shooters, no athletes type of thing that he's been on. Like, Trace would definitely be the answer. I think long term he's going to be the answer for sure. Two, three years from now, we're like, damn, how do fuck this dude slide all the way to the second round? How does Steve Kerr's out? That's how it really sounds. Do we get a nice out? Look.

I'll be like if you can shoot. Get out of here. That's hilarious. Yeah, we'll go with Jackson Davis, but Kamara can be right after that. Yeah, he's a great player. Nice defense. So, so Mo, A-S-M-R channel win. All right, Mo, when are we getting the A-S-M-R show?

As soon as they get us to 700 likes. Currently, we're at 530 likes right now. There's 8703 you guys in here. Tap in, tap in, tap, and you freaks like the sound of things. Boss. that's what they ums that donated five dollars can check out this ticot i can't click ticot

ticot links through this so sorry but appreciate the money joseph k said isa please get yourself a haircut mo stop looking like semi-ogelea don you my boy for now you're good hashtag nix tape stop looking like some of you from my region shout out shout out you joseph

everybody's roasted but donovan donovan you're good man go to hell the best fans in the world you okay the next get Jordan Clarkson for Evan Fournier Grimes and her first round pick via Detroit

okay okay Jordan Clarkson yeah I think that listen the scoring the scoring boost off the bench would move me I'd like a secondary ball handler right behind Brunson but listen

automatic buckets like Clarkson 100% 100% This is an interesting one I don't know why this is happening But Dallas gets Tyler Hero PJ Washington Caleb Martin and Miami's

2029 first round pick Miami receives Kyrie Irving and Markief Morris Charlotte receives Grant Williams Nicole Jovich and Jaden Hardy Charlotte what is going on man This is a lot going on Off of a pint of walk if they accept this

What the fuck? Oh my goodness this is a can't walk this is the athletic trade why would why would kind of irving be being moved wait this is an official athletic thing it's like an official mock grade yeah it's just some writer some his idea okay but why would kind of irving be on the move and why would tell the hero be on the move i don't know i mean it would move me for miami and honestly it would move me for dallas as well just to get some more some more depth for like charlotte This does not move me at all. I would be like, why am I in this?

Like, why am I on this call right now? Well, PJ Washington's on the way out. Grant Williams is Grant Williams, whatever. But like, Yovich and Hardy for Washington. And that's not too bad. But I'm getting Grant Williams in the TV. And right now his value is extremely low and I don't want to touch his contract.

You don't want to touch Graham Williams? All right. What the hell? His tip $5. He said, crayon merchants, who would you take in the respective primes to build the team around? Carmelo, Anthony, or Paul George? I think we and Donovan have had this debate before. That was a little hard.

Probably Paul George, for defensive reasons, but I'm not mad at Pickett Mello, obviously. I think they're probably going to pull you to the exact same spot. But it's all about how you want to go out. Do you want to go out seeing buckets and a lot of iso ball? or do you want to go out with potentially hitting the side of the backboard a couple of this. I'm going to need another star in this team and I'm more confident of Paul George

fitting with other stars than I am Carmelo Anthony. Yeah, I think Paul George is more versatile and built for that. For sure. Donovan. He's more versatile. Bro, give me straight buckets, man. Give me straight buckets. Give me someone who's not going to hit the side of the backboard. At the same

time, I agree with Moe. We're probably going to get to the same spot. But I can't go out in embarrassing fashion and that's what paul george would have me doing so i'm going to take carmello anthony what it's mellow some playoff gauntlet riser now but he's not going to give you he's not hitting the side of the back no one's calling you his misses look pretty congratulations exactly that's what it's about how do you want to impact either way i'm not i just can't get offended how do you would affect i can't live like this em is did one dollar he said capello for grimes and fournier i think the hawks would never do

that? Maybe the one. I don't know. No, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing that. Angelito tip $3. She said, my bad, y'all. I went on a little bit of a pick frenzy in the Thunder trade because they got so many.

I think I overcorrected and offsetting my bias as an OKC fan. If I removed the first rounder, would you think of the trade? Probably. You're probably right. Listen, self-awareness. That's the theme for the day.

Just understand your situation. Understand who you are. Good job. Good job for writing that wrong. Man, the donations are flying. I can't keep up. Momo tip $2. Another two for Mo alone.

You are a hater, PG, better than Mello. No, you're talking to Don. You guys get him confused a lot because you're racist, but Donovan's the one who picked Mello. I'm getting framed as you, and Alan appreciate that shit. You got a no ball, right? That's all I got to say.

He just got to know basketball. No ball and learn our names. God damn. This is like the third time in like two months. Shit. In a very racist environment today. Y'all, we're a 5009 likes. Span the likes up.

Make up for the racism going on in the donations. Get us to 700 likes. Be allies. No, facts. The racism really hurt my feelings, guys. I hear my feelings. Let's get on some likes, y'all. It'll feel better.

It'll make his black history month better. Facts. Ryan tipped $1.48 cents. As a Knicks fan, the Knicks are having a lot of injuries. So to get more depth, I would trade Evan Fornier, the Nix 20, 24 first and three seconds for Brogden but in another trade the next trade Ryan Archer Diakano in three seconds for Siddique Bay brother keep those trades in my league don't see that on the internet you're

embarrassing yourself you don't need you don't need to give up that much for Malcolm Brogden you can do it with less you don't got to give up a million second round picks it's okay okay I like the idea you're sounding thirsty and I need you to calm down your mind's in the right spot it just won't take as much as you think It's just Michael Brogden. We don't need five picks for Michael Brogton. Momo tipped $3.

Another $3 for Black History Month. That's on me. My bad. I'm dyslexic. So my bad, y'all. Dislexic disloat. Next trade. Let's see.

I'm just seeing the same names over and over again. Oh, the Grizzlies trade for Wendell Carter Jr. The Grizzlies said they're looking for a sense. that can play forward as well and play defense. Wendell Carter Jr. can space the floor nicely and fit nicely into the scheme. He didn't give a trade. He just said a player to the Grizzlies. Do you see the vision there?

The vision is nice. Wendell Carter is a very enticing young player considering, like, they know the Orlando Magic are in a weird spot with him. They already saw a lot of success and the impact hasn't been as felt with, uh, why are you laughing, Donovan? What do you see? I'm sorry. Somebody said, just to trade a washing machine for the nascentus.

i got a good chuckle oh my god that's good that's hilarious no i don't know to be trader bro yonis would literally like he would have a rampage in the front office but i see i see the vision on the window carter junior train it makes sense i just need to see the details of it and make sure that the grizzlies aren't giving up too much

Man, I'm bored of trades. Let's do this fucking draft. Let's go. I'm bored. Ground eaters, this is for you. We're going to go ahead and do a trade. We are building players around like LeBron James, right guys? That sounds like insinculate.

Oh my God, but there's a little twist to me. So, like you said, we're going to draft NBA lineups around LeBron James. The twist is you can only pick one all-star. So you can pick one all-star teammate, and then you've got to pick what is that, three role plays. There are because people haven't made an all-sort game at any point in their career. Yeah, yeah. Really interesting I'm down gonna be good chat. I'm gonna make a poll right now chat. What's your prediction who's gonna win? We've been pretty even draft results as of late. Yeah, what's your feeling? Donovan got first pick. I got second Mo has third pick I'm gonna make a poll right now and we're gonna see who you guys think win. Yeah, let's go ahead and do it chat. Oh someone says

ishawn says i butchered a name by b bro updated draft odds as of late isaac minus 500 don plus 200 mo plus five that means i'm a heavy favorite by far all right buddy you lost your voting perfect this blocked just kidding i'm just kidding this should be interesting right now donvin has 38% of the votes i got 34 obviously mo is lagging work i appreciate the support i will do my best and not let y'all down 37% right now it's tied 36% of me and donovan is the favorites

mo's lagging behind it 29% the moehive is showing out and doing their best but you pay the mo tax when it comes to drafts it's okay it's okay you know what when we show up and show out don't join this side stay over there please let's see if you can defy the odds

so yeah man we're at 621 likes run it up to 800 for us for this draft I know you all love seeing the live drafts so much to set up I'm the throat go that's crazy and random

Woo Let's do it There's a Donovan fumbles incoming I can see it Donovan falls under pressure on these live drafts

You stay your first round draft pick With your chest when that time comes I got you I got you I got you Sam just said

Just in East All MBA Ford is considering the slam dunk contest Who is he talking about Let me listen to this East R&BA

for nice There's gonna be an all NBA Ford in the slam dunk contest Jaylen Brown is considering doing the slam dunk contest, y'all. Boo! Boo! It's going to be terrible.

Why? He's not a slam dunk contest dunker. If we're trying to be real, the slam dunk contest is dead. 2016 was the last great one. We're not going to see an amazing contest like that for a while. And I don't think Jalen Brown is the guy that's going to revive the dunk contest. You have no faith in Shaden Sharp, unbelievable. No, I don't.

I don't. All right, man. I mean, actually, the Mojave ran it up. They got him to 32%. Donovan won with 34. I had 33, Mo had 32. So, Donovan, you're the favorite right now. You're the people champ at the moment.

We'll see if you can live up to the expectations. And once again, we all only get one all-star. Yeah, one all-star. Real simple. Let's draft NBA lineups around LeBron James and you can only pick one All-Star.

Donovan, who's the first pick? With the first overall pick, give me Victor Wembenyama. Damn, but I was going to pick him. Gross, bro. Oh, my God. I knew you're going to do that. Have some morals, bro.

Damn. Oh, I needed that. You know what? Clean him off the board. Second pick. Give me Jamal Murray. That's good. Need that.

Okay. Wow, I see interesting strategy Interesting strategy Yeah Give me someone I know Was gonna be an assassin in the playoffs Okay I like that

I like that All right so Someone's saying Don Sol they don't like the Vic pick Yeah the Vic pick is kind of crazy It's okay But it's okay So At center

Give me the best player in the world Nicola Yokic Okay Cola LeBron is a disgusting deal Can't go wrong Can't go wrong at all damn and then we're really guard light i would say in this so it's it's looking really iffy it's looking really ify so right now at my three go ahead and give me scotty barns damn it i was right

about to pick him next god i hate you yeah we hear eaters get here that's a great fucking pick damn it damn it damn it okay okay I can take this a couple ways you know what

I'm scared of ooh who don't want to cock block from Donovan because he can take this a couple ways

you know okay give me Janus up to Nakumbo give me Janus at the four okay okay

I can't let Donovan get Janus and Wemnon Yama together that'd be ridiculous yeah no he would

that's true that's true but for my point guard give me step curry understandable i knew you'd go there that's fine go ahead yeah washed me give me step give me step curry listen step lebron one beat that that's great two old farts and a rookie you can have it hater you hate your hate on greatness you're you're hate on two top 10 players of all time then that's fine um all right dang now i actually don't know where i want to go

with my pick and this is probably where the cell is going to come but you know what Steph Curry Steph Curry I don't want him at all to worry about guarding anybody you guys have very dynamic guards right

we're going to go defense first and I want somebody who can do that give me Herb Jones interesting okay you put a major small forward or shooting guard we'll put him at put them at the three

put them at the three okay yeah I'm gonna pick the better Herb Jones give me McHale Bridges at the two wow steal that's fair

best 3D player in the league okay not gonna lie that was that was supposed to be my big so my heart hurts tough so damn that leaves me and my point guard

I need defense you guys got some heavy fucking hitters people are saying Don Solto Herb Jones Yeah, Herb Jones is fucking crazy You should have picked Derek White Because I'm putting them in my point guard Locking all shit

I was I forgot that you didn't have point guards I was hoping he was going to come back I didn't I also didn't think that Isaac was going to go Bridges at the at the two McAlbert Yeah, Macalbridge is the one He's a slut for his for his Celebration

Yeah That's crazy All right So at my two, I need one of the greater shooters in the NBA. Give me Desmond Bain. That's a good pick. I wasn't picking him if I didn't give Bridges. He is a great value pick.

I did what I could, chat. My center, listen, I got Yonis and protect the rim. Give me the best offensive center on the board. That's not an all-star. Al Perrin Sangoon. Should be an all-star this year. Okay, that's a quality. You don't believe that.

You're only saying it because he's on your team. That's a quality pick. There was 15 spots in the All-Star game like there should be. He would be an All-Star. That I believe. That's hilarious, man. All right, wait. Let me make sure this guy.

Let me make sure. Just say the name. Just say the name. No. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. Who are you going to pick?

Chat of St. Larry Markinen. Y'all, not him. I was going to move step to the two and get Mike Conley at the one. Crazy pool. I was just trying to see But you know what Give Give me C.J. McCullough

At the two. Nice. No defense, but you got some buckets on your team. Yeah, were you getting to ran down your throat?

Oh, my goodness. What are you going to do when McAlbred is in? My throw shots. Yeah. The back court can't play. The back court can't lock up. It is okay.

I've won me there. It's erasing everything. Yeah, Herb Jones, thank God. It's racing everything. Listen, So Donovan had the, he got voted to the person they thought was going to win the draft. I'm saying nothing but Ellison sold in the chats.

Damn. Tragic affair. Let's see. Let's make the poll. Who won? That's what I'm saying. Listen, but here's the thing that people don't understand. This is what I'm saying.

You got to understand and you have to know ball. At least with Isaac's team. There's only one ball to go around, right? You don't have, you don't have role players, right? Everybody knows their role of my team. It's a, it's a well-orre machine. We click like that, right? Do that?

Do that way you have to be? Yeah. 100%. Chat. 100%. I got Derek White, Desmond Bain, Scotty Barnes. Makes it look like a Harrison Barnes,

and that's just so yuck. Scotty Barnes, okay? LeBron James and Nicola Yolkich. I have. Jamal Murray, the greatest playoff riser of all time. McHale Bridges, the best 3&D player in the world. LeBron James. Janus, the best two-way player in the world, and Sangoon.

Y'all, he's telling that to you. Tough. It's tough. Steph Curry, C.J. McCullum at the two, Herb Jones at the three, LeBron James at the four, Victor Weming, Yama at the five. That's actually nice. And Wembe is this like... You could have picked O.G. Noby over Herb Jones.

Yeah, you could have picked O.G. You could have picked someone like J-dub. Do you not understand that the team chemistry between C.J. and Herb Jones is there. That's what I'm saying. Like that You don't believe in that You do not believe We're rolling Not having OG Hertz Not gonna lie

You're gonna pick the pelicans To be a first round exit What chemistry are you talking about The Pelicans currently constructed However if you If you swap out If you swap out Valentinus for Wemby

And swap out Brandon Ingram For LeBron James Oh yeah We're doing something Like we're moving differently Listen imagine if you had A great value version of the Yokic Jamal Murray

dribble handoff game and then Janice and LeBron flanking to help on defense and then McHale Bridges at a KCP that's 82-1-0 I don't know man Derek White is locking all that shit up

man he's getting all up in your test he's feeling you wow okay whoa come on now you know what I mean Derek White doesn't bin Scottie Barnes like I like all those players together is that dynamic

yeah I like them all apart we fit we fit if y'all if listen if you guys came to one of our practices and you saw our system you saw how the team interacted with everybody you would understand just how well the system works so let me say mo's team is some other fucking light skin moe loves the light skins how i only have two light skin players on my team you just do derrick white and doesn't bane that's it you okay she's white bro it's like a quarter of the league their light What do you want? What do you expect?

Listen, I got Jamal Murray, Bridges, Yonis Singoon. Listen, I'm not passing the test either. Oh, yeah, that's tough. Singoon. You know, there's Donovan. We got Stefan, CJ, and Vic. Nobody's passing the test. All my life skins are generational.

Like, it's okay. I've got 300 votes in the chat. I got 47% of the votes. Mo has 30. Donovan has 22%. Sorry, Donovan. you're living in you're living in it's okay listen you want to draft a couple weeks ago after the biggest fumble of all time second biggest fumble of all time is all right it's okay it's okay

remember that number two overall picks draft where mo picked oh he picked brandon ring him over bill russell and i think it was mike bibby over like west unselled i think so he picked mike bibby the number two there was one draft there was one draft where uh i forget what we're ended up picking, like, David West. He's been playing with some player draft or something like. Yeah, David West. It's probably the played with Curry draft. Yeah, David West was elite.

That's not funny. That's not funny. No, I, listen, I get that, I get that, though, because they don't understand. The way that you are with David West, that's how I am with Jermaine O'Neill. Like, they just don't understand that, like, he was good. Yeah, he was like, he was that level of player. Jermino is definitely one most forgotten about players. Like he's made both WallSter games,

and I don't think the average young fan knows it. I agree. That's our draft, y'all. What do you want to do next? You want to play some more TikTok games? What do we want to do? Let's play a quick round of 20 questions. 20 questions again?

Chat, do you want to see 20 questions? Spam W for yes or L for no. We'll let you decide. Do you want to see us play 20 questions? I feel like it's a fun thing to do on stream because y'all get involved in it. Facts. Oh, I'm seeing W's.

I'm almost spamming W's up. Uh-oh, oh, oh, whoa, that's a lot of Ws. Y'all fuck with 20 questions. A few L's, haters, I understand. What you got to do? You have your place in society. You got to, got to hate when you have to. I'm dead.

I think I've just been, I think I've just been seen. Somebody said, Don looks like he's seeing Stevie Wonder in the shower. What? And that is my vibe. Yeah, I love Stevie Wonder. That's my guy. He can see, by the way. Chat, new goal right now.

20 questions, that's the way. I want you guys to spam up what Donovan seems like. Let's get some Donovan the type of dude. Let's get some Donovan the type of dude, too. Let's get a bunch of those jokes in the chat. Let's spam up to Donovan jokes. Oh, my goodness. I never forget when Don't drive to Rip Hamilton.

Rip Hamilton was nice, man. No, you were the best shooters of all time, though. Oh, I remember that. I remember that. It was all-time shooters draft. than Rip Hamilton, a mid-range shooter, when there were so many three-point and mid-range shooters available. If I have four three-point shooters on my team, right?

I don't want to end up so we can, so we can score all three levels. You know what the thing? But the three-point shooters could also shoot from the mid-range. Not necessarily, not necessarily. All right. Donovan's new type of guys. But this is what I'm trying to end, analytics, you're trying to ruin the game. Rip Hamilton had a very special skill set and was great at it.

respect greatness please donovan the type of guy to say oopsie daisy when he does something wrong that's moh that's very oopsie daisy donovan the type of guy to have a jar of tonal clippings next to his bed and sniff them every night jesus that is gross that is gross is this my brand out here i don't like that oopsie daisy don't know i'm the type of dude to say zooey mama when he shots Donovan looks like he's in the background of an R&B music video

Oh my gosh, man Donovan looks like Frozone Where's my super suit looking at? They've been saying that all night Everyone's been I don't like history

and one of the god damn it Oh my goodness Donovan is a type of dude to be in an ice spice music video Donovan is a type of dude to air fry a mac and cheese cup No, someone says Don is the type of guy To close the door with his hips and just say

That's how it's Jesse I just imagine It was a dumb as a type of guy to shout Yay! When Jane LaBrensen makes a shot So it was a Donovan's a type of dude To slip on a banana peel No, actually one day when I was I remember this I actually tried that

I saw I would see this all the time In goddamn commercials I was like 8, 9 years old at game homework at school mom and dad weren't there at work and i'm like okay bet let me go ahead test this out i ate a banana and i slipped i ran towards it slipped butts in my fucking hip and it hurt like a bitch until this day i feel that shit don't know i'm the type of dude to cut the grass when it's knowing oh that's so mad that's so bad he's good yeah any more funny ones before i move on i'm trying to see uh i think

That might be it. Chad is not cooking today in my opinion. Yeah, they're quite as funny. Y'all came way harder. Whenever, whenever you're a roasting boat for falling out of the chair, y'all came a billion times harder. That was crazy. Yeah. Also, me fall on was a stored moment. That's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. Crazy word. It's interesting choice. But next time, next week, y'all, we're going to host the Isaac Rose. And please don't. We're going to do Isaac Rose. And you guys have to free write your jokes because there's a few misses here. And I feel bad because I feel like I was targeted. now someone's a winner the hot takes now let's react to some of the other hot takes in chat before we get out of here we got we got 15 minutes left for the stream ends spam your hot takes

let me see what you guys think someone said i love coming hard jesus what have i done all right i see we know what type of man you are what did i do spam the hot takes y'all we're going to react to them give you guys w rl takes maybe i'll give you a little bit of a ass we'll spam it up the soundboard get you guys going Hot takes, hot takes, hot takes, hot takes. Hot take. Paul George's top 20 in the league. I don't think that's a hot take.

I think that's fair. Wait, Isaac, Donovan, I have a hot take for you guys. Hot take, chat can't get us to 800 likes by the end of the stream. Oh, there's no way they can. Right now. Oh, my God, he's trying your life right now. What are you doing about it? Oh, my goodness.

You watching the stream right now. Isaac said, you can't hit the like goal. What are you going to do about it? Nobody believes in you. What are you prepared to do about it? That's so funny. Let me look at these hot days. He's the best.

Can we get Michael Irvin on the pod one day? That would be fucking hilarious. You need to make that happen. Momo tip $1. He said Colin Section should be the one in the running for most improved player, not Tyrese Maxi. Incorrect. But you can throw Momo's name in there on the bottom of the bow. That's fine.

That'll take. Don't be hating for playoff chokers. and B1 himself. Tough. Okay. Hot take. Kyrie Irving is the most overrated player of all time.

I'm going to say that. Yeah. Shout out to Flyers fan 28. Yeah, I see you. Thoughts? I disagree. I disagree.

I understand in terms of what he's actually done in his NBA career, but. He's definitely up there. I may have a hint of truth, but I would definitely. he's definitely out there i love kairi he's great he's definitely up there he's going to be remembered as if he was like cp3 status of like amazing point guard which is just like not true at all

well who's okay so who who is the most overre player of all time hello you say mellow that he said i would say mellow personally he's up there i think it's i think it's corrected i think people are down on mellow nobody puts him in that upper echelon anymore everyone hated on mella for the last five years well because he was asked doesn't count people have gotten about that if it's been corrected and okay but I for

top of discord I will say him for sure but now I'm not gonna lie it might be Kyrie Irving I'm not gonna lie it might be Kyrie like you know the shot was so great and like he's lived off of that for so long and he's like he constantly gets like the best rim finishing point guard of all time and the most skilled player of all

time which is just like I mean the run the ring finish is not wrong it's not true at all he doesn't even shoot that crazier percentage of the rim like he does it the flashiest the prettiest but like it's not the most effective by any means here we go here we go that's something that's like so calculable it's like not even like advanced analytics that's just like field goal percentage in the area you're talking about it didn't nobody said anything about advanced analytics i just all i said was here we go he's not he's not a better room finisher than fucking shake ill just alexander

like he's not he's the flashiest the prettiest the most fun to watch room finisher the deepest the deepest bag sure but not the most effective room finisher of all times a point crowd that's just not true he deserves that skilled title though for sure sure that's fine I guess but like I don't know what does I mean well that just means the prettiest basketball player of all time of people like skilled conversations go nowhere real fast like it's nobody nobody has the same idea of what skill means because we know who's the most skill because it's chiree if you put if you if you put them in a in a gym wide open

wide open and just say first to 100 layups Kyrie's making it in 50 like he's just making it happen all right and John Jordan will be there for two days hot take from sneaker do to Yannis should be the MVP frontrunner but we'll never win another one because of voter fatigue interesting it won't be because of voter fatigue

but he shouldn't be the MVP frontrunner right now so yeah so I guess L-Tay on all fronts on that one. I see his point. He should be up there, low-key. Like, he's not in the top five on, like, MVP ladder for like the NBA's official one.

He probably should be. He's not going to win it because he got his fucking coach fire midway, and that stench isn't going to go away. Whether it's deserved or not, that's going to hold them back for voters. It means it is deserved.

Sure, I don't know. I'm not saying it's not, but that's going to be the reason why either way. Joseph K. donated $10. Hot take, superstar or nothing for Nix's deadline. I feel like this because of the win streak.

So a mid-ass player like brogton it won't move with needle for me interesting uh no no i don't i don't think it should be superstar or bust i think well okay i can i can get behind it but it really depends on what do you think julius randall is going to do because if you think that randall is going to be regular version julius randall then you just go get brogden and you keep it moving because Listen, healthy Julius Randall and a healthy Mitchell Robinson on this team, the NICS can make the finals. Too. Like, good God, bro.

All right. It can happen. You're looking dead at the camera saying that too. It can happen. I know. He's getting a quotable out there. He's fucking staking his claim. All right.

I'm waiting for this win streak to go ahead and come to an end. I mean, it ended. Ended. Oh, sweet. And now on Saturday. End it again. all right back to the back to the hot takes let's see hot take the heat have been the best franchise in the league since 2010

I mean it's obviously the Warriors but outside of that I think I can get behind that yeah I mean you throw in the Warriors I guess you throw in the Spurs but it's kind of finicky after 2010 I think the Warriors have made the Heat made five finals since 2010 that's a lot bro or is it yeah I can

Six. LeBron made four, one, two, and they made two more. So yeah, six finals made. Yeah, okay, yeah. I'll give him that. Yeah, I'll get. The Warriors win, but he can be second place. Yeah, I like that.

Hot take, Warriors are contenders if they trade for Lowry Marknin. Yeah, if they do something that's impossible to get an All-Star out of thin air, I agree. That'd be pretty fucking good. I agree. He said, hot take, damn, John Donovan's tired. That big ass John. I'm off of the count Hot take

In terms of skill Yannis is in the bottom half of the league Yep Terrible take Oh my god that is That is disgusting Why do you say yep Donner Just real quick

Hatred It's It's not hatred Like obviously Yannis is freakishly athletic And he that athleticism allows him to do things that people can't do and so he's great because of it right

but he's not a great dribbler he can't shoot right he's like when you talk about at least off I wouldn't go ahead my bed man good finish finish all I was going to say when you talk about offensively right if you want to say like like defensively skilled all that fine I when I say skilled

I'm just talking straight offense offensively I do not think that he is as skilled as he's a pretty good dribbler for a 611 player. How many 611 players have been better dribbler than him? Very short amount, bro. Very small amount.

Very, very small amount. I think if you are saying 4-6-11, that's a different conversation than just, hey, we're putting everybody here. I'm not going to gauge him against Kyrie Irving. We're talking about the whole league. That's what we're doing. Yeah, and everything's relative to your size.

Obviously, he's taller and, you know, naturally that makes you have less dribbling, but it's like a sliding scale for who you are. like that the realities of your size yeah i think also in basketball too the only when we talk about skills it needs to be wider than just how deep is your in and out and your kesey cross and your layup package because something that's very underrated is that when it comes to finding all these itty-bitty types of angles and how he decides to cut to the basket is very impressive that's a skill someone who's similar to yon has to

Attena Kupo athletically and height wise Back in the day it was like fucking Javelle McGee You know and he never be time where you see him do the most like random ass shit He would you had I could pull up highlights right now where he's running the full court Running the running the half running half court offense or full card office by bad like yannis But he just can't do that on it because it's basically not a scale The total opposite end of the spectrum the least skill that you get think of Yeah same same type of physical attributes and similar ish athleticism

Javel's actually gigantic. He's, I swear he's like fucking 7-2. He's gigantic. I know. And it's like, he's just not as, he lacks so much skill on the court. And we act like Janus is like that. No, it's not a, it's not a serious argument. You just compare Bobo to Wembe.

comparing Javelle McGee to Yonis. I don't, but I also don't think, I also don't think that like, I think Javelle McGee's problem a lot of times came down to just coordination. Like, you clearly saw the vision. Coordination of skill. Yeah. it is it's hard to be that big it's it's skillful to be able to move like it's important yeah part of having good handles yeah i got it no everybody just makes skill just means how

similar do you play to chamois crawford how good are you jillum between your legs and pulling up for jumpers that's all people doing this is skill i don't think i think like but i think that people on y'all side of the argument eventually take it to a point where like oh well how he looks at the rim that's a skill how he puts his pants on to that that he saves energy. That's a skill. And it's like, not like, yes, there are attributes that he, that, like, that everybody does and there are things that some people do well and other people don't.

But I don't necessarily think that that is, like, skill as, like, a basketball player rather than, like, talent. I think what you're describing is just because we have a narrow view of what skill is. And you're basically saying that you don't think, you think certain skills are skills that are relevant when talking about skills in basketball and other ones aren't what we're talking about. I think that's the problem is that we should talk about the other ones too. I don't think that I don't think but I also don't think that like every skill is like as as important. And so that that's one. And so even if you are talking about skills that like that people do have the very like they're they're minute, but also at the same time the everybody has like we know what Isaac says.

you kind of understand what the idea of skill means and then just because just because you want to give somebody credit for being quote unquote more skilled than what the general public are now you want to expand it past what we all basically know the idea to be and so because it's not fitting your definition of how basically everybody talks about skill like when I say it you know what I mean but you are trying to now expand it because now you're trying to get it to fit your definition of it. I guess, but we know that lots of talk in sports is very narrow-minded and simplistic. You look at football, everything's quarterback, quarterback, quarterback. We know it's not that simple. Every sport, you can look at that and see prevailing talking points that have been

perpetrated by sports media over the decades, and you know that's very narrow-minded and just, you know, not super thoughtful and should be expanded upon. This is one of those things. when you watch Janice's game and you watch Janice going for 60 and he has and he's 27 of 32 and 24 of his shots are dunks and you're like oh my gosh this is the most skilled play I've ever seen in my life no like you're watching it and you're just like no this is the biggest fastest dude I've ever seen in my life like it's crazy that somebody can be that big and that strong and that fast and everything that you point to is from an athletic extent I don't think that you look at him and you think skill wise here's the thing is my bad

There's a lot of those players out there that are huge and fast and strong James Wiseman is huge and fast and strong Can't use those things together because he doesn't have the skill to bring all the athleticism together That exists a lot he's not as big. He's not as strong he's not as fast as John is The differentiator between him and James there's no one is much more the skill than it is the athleticism. I can tell you that much more the skill and that's why I'm saying no and that's what I'm saying is like Janus is such an outlier his athleticism is so crazy

that it's okay it's okay he can't shoot free throws it's okay that he can't shoot threes it's okay that like he can't do all these other things because when it gets down to it he's perfected he's perfected running dunk basketball and it's

and it's like but why but why how did he perfect it and it's and it's okay it's okay that what do you do to perfect it I'm listen put I promise you right now put Janice put Janice in the skills in the skills competition

he can't he can't go through the tones right he was in it with his brothers right he was in it with his brother it's hilarious and that's that's that's my point is that when you are talking

about like basic basketball stuff he is not as good as everybody else like there's there's certain times like all three of us and or I won't even use all three but myself myself personally i feel like i know basketball pretty well right and i know that whenever i go to to a basketball court i know where i should be i know where people should be right

i am not however right as big or as strong or as fast as some other people at the park and so i might get blown by and i know even afterwards like i walk off the court and if i lose i'd be like i know that they weren't that good they were just they were just like you know what I'm like there's there's times like that we're like they're not good like they were just big like and that's and that's how that's how it is with yon is just like to the most extreme level of like like he's he's just big like he's fast but then there's plenty of players that have the same athleticism but can't put together because they don't know how to use that they don't have the skill as a ball handler the skill of the angles like non like most said to get to the rim be able to use that like there's so

many guys like that why isn't kevin nox a good player. He's athletic as fuck. You don't know to use it. Have you ever heard of the name of Jalen Lekew, Donovan? Yeah. One of the stupid athletic. He's not even the league right now. He's in the G. League. He's like Westbrook, Prime Westbrook

type's level of athlete, but yet like he doesn't sniff Westbrook in terms of like the skill that Westbrook Westbrook had at his peak of the powers. And I think that's like one of the perfect arguments in terms of skill versus athleticism. Genile Q, he's one of the most athletic of all time. No one's going to say that, though, because he's not good.

Why isn't Dennis Smith, Jr., John Morant? Because he doesn't have the skill to harness athleticism and know how to blow by everybody because you know how to, you know your angles, you know your quick first step, you know how to use that. He's, he was the highest vert of all time. Like, he wasn't a good rim finisher because he couldn't figure out to put it all together. And I think it was, because when he got to the basket, he couldn't do it. But I'm like, if we're going to say that, like, coordinate. is a skill and I think I think that's that's where I'm getting hung up on is that I won't

yeah necessarily put like coordination into skill because I do think that like some people obviously you can get better at anything but I think that some people are naturally more coordinated and some people are just goofy and like so like in javel McGee's case he's just not as naturally coordinated as a lot of other people yeah yeah that's true it's okay they even have this They even have this skill where it's like you have to work on your coordination by hitting all these buttons on a wall. So I think it's good. But yeah, it's nitpicky arguments for whatever, but I love how chat. I love how we ended the show on a random yapshesh about athleticism and the way we talk about it in discourse.

Love that. That's the end of the stream. It's great. Good old fashioned yapsych. You were promised 20 questions. I lied. You got yapsesh. welcome to the TD3 streams

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