The Deep 3 Podcast - Reacting To Your WILDEST NBA Hot Takes | TD3 Clips

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:38 some all time takes you guys have because you guys can't help but tell me who your goat is we're gonna react to all your takes today in the chat let us know if it's a W or an L first off Wizards Jordan is never brought up
Starting point is 00:00:49 in the same conversation as Nets KG or Celtic Shack because of how high his highs were he wasn't even bad as a wizard either like you ever's a cool a smooth 20 ball like that's why no one talks about it the fucking goat man what do you expect
Starting point is 00:01:02 he said it again he acknowledged it Jordan he did the goat what exactly huh AI that wasn't me yeah I'll take obviously he wasn't quite to that level
Starting point is 00:01:13 but this was funny that somebody's like he was asked to why don't you slander him yeah I think I put this on here because I don't think people really quite realize just how terrible Celtic Shaq was
Starting point is 00:01:25 like people like have this idea of a wash star in their head we call everybody that becomes wash at some point Celtic Shack. Like when Russ is on the Lakers, Celtic Shack. When Clay got to the Mavs, Celtic Shack, Celtic Shack couldn't move. Celtic Shack was a shell of himself compared to what he once was. It was truly, truly
Starting point is 00:01:41 incapable of being valuable. We use the term Celtic Shack to like let you know, hey, like this player should not be playing NBA basketball right now. Like you should be anonymous. You should have started a podcast. You should have gone on to your second part of your career. Like no basketball. No more
Starting point is 00:01:57 podcast. No more podcast. All right. For Shaq in Boston, he played 20 minutes a night. He averaged
Starting point is 00:02:05 9.2 points per game and 4.8 rebounds. What are we doing? Only 20 minutes a night. If he could have
Starting point is 00:02:14 played more minutes, he would have because he's Shaq. That's the part that he couldn't stay on the court for that long. He'd be found people can't move like
Starting point is 00:02:20 he did it defensively. I'm sure the stamina was an issue. To be a Celtic Shaq, you have to be physically depleted. Yeah. And that's why he
Starting point is 00:02:27 ended up tearing his, his Achilles. That, that really was one of those, like, old man moments. Yeah. Next up. Josh Gide will make the All-Star game this season. That's not even a hot take. Man. I mean, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:02:40 They slowed down the one and four in the last five. Do you still think he's on trajectory? If the Bulls are like the eighth seat and he's still putting up, like, the smooth 20 points from, like, 39% of three-point line, I could see a world of where that happens. I could see it. his efficiency is so carried by transition right now it's crazy i saw somebody post a picture side by side of his transition efficiency versus half court it's crazy they better keep running he better keep taking 16 shots of game up and on the court and they will they will keep running but i do think he can make the also game and i don't think that's crazy to think that he will
Starting point is 00:03:13 yeah yeah it's not a bad bad at all especially with injury replacements always coming in like i doubt there's going to be 15 better players assuming there's two or three injury replacements I doubt there be 15 players a better combination of team success and production Yeah Josh I get you
Starting point is 00:03:26 First time All-Star What a sentence That's gonna be Win Win-win tree After we had to get Tyler Hero that stamp last year Now is Josh Giddy next I know man
Starting point is 00:03:34 Every year we gotta get somebody A stamp that they're gonna carry Forever It's gonna carry their PR forever Start the relocation Next up Jaylon Brunson wins MVP Final's MVP
Starting point is 00:03:43 And has the most points In a playoff game ever With 64 That's mad specific But I'm with it Do you see that type of all-time great season coming for jillam brunson MVP finalism what the fuck what is young bruson going to have to do to win
Starting point is 00:03:56 mvp 100 wins 100 wins yeah 100 wins yeah i don't know he he probably have to average like 35 a game yep 70% from three like some yeah he has to be the scoring leader just whatever the number is he has to be the score in the year for sure solid seven and a half assists and they have to be the one seed by a huge margin they have to dominate the east they have to go like 88% more percentage from here on out. All right, Jalen, you know the mission. Go ahead. Accomplish it.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Yeah, statistically. Do what you got to do, man. Go ahead, Captain. 36. Hell no. Austin Reeves will become the greatest undrafted player of all time. Who's up there already right now?
Starting point is 00:04:39 Ben Wallace. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, the championship is, I guess, the best player on the team. I guess, but obviously it's debatable. A champion, yeah, champion four-time DPOI. Ooh. He has to be like a 10-time All-Stars. People are real.
Starting point is 00:04:55 He doesn't have to be a 10-time All-Star. What other accolades is going to like win? Like a seven-time All-Star? Seven's crazy, too. He's already 27-or-something or something. He's not going to be a seven-time All-Star. Then this is out the window. The windows already got.
Starting point is 00:05:09 He had to win a championship with Luca. Like that he would have to have a ring. Yeah, you need some All-Star appearance. Yeah, you need some three-time All-Star gets a ring. Maybe he gets a couple rings. I don't know. That makes you better than Ben, It doesn't have to be a team success thing.
Starting point is 00:05:23 And also, he wouldn't be better than Ben Wallace, but you know how people are with scores. They're going to go towards a scoring guy every time. If he, he has to win multiple rings up. I think he wins two stamped. So for you all, personally, what would it take? For me personally, I think if he wins, if he wins two rings and then if he... I'm not going to give it. I saw your face.
Starting point is 00:05:45 And I just saw, I just saw, I just saw, I just be like, this is the most nothing discussion that I've never thought of before. I'm not going to think about what it's going to take for Austin Reeves to be better than Ben Wallace. Like, no, no, like, who cares? No, I was going to say there's nothing he can do. He's not going to be better than Ben Wallace. He's not going to get four DPRIs.
Starting point is 00:06:04 That's so, so. He's like, I don't care. I do care. It's not going to happen. He can't do it. Like, that would be at 27 to go from a nothing resume to better than Ben Wallace. Yeah, like, what is he accomplished so far?
Starting point is 00:06:18 Nothing. You got a headband these days. He'll probably be a two-time All-Star He better get two or three rings He better be stamped from two success If those If let's say that he makes
Starting point is 00:06:30 Two All-Star teams I just want to talk right now I don't know yeah He makes two all-star teams Those two years First team all NBA First team all it Yo the NBA
Starting point is 00:06:43 You know Devin Booker But someone Jail him Brown Okay Desmond is If Austin Reeves has multiple years The top five player in the NBA, just two
Starting point is 00:06:55 years. If Austin Reeves has two years of the top five player in the NBA, yes. He can be the best on chapter player of all time. Do you know how hard that beat? I'm not talking by positions, but two years would be. If he's one of the five best players in this world for two years. He's better than Anthony Edwards? No! Yes.
Starting point is 00:07:11 If he's better than Anthony Edwards for two straight years, yes. God, no. James Hardin's peak was way better than Steph Curry's and it's not even a question. This guy just must have watch only regular season basketball. And if that's the case, who are you? You still don't got it. I'm sending people to commit crimes to your house. Don't ever say this. Don't ever think
Starting point is 00:07:33 this again. This is stupid. This is dumb. I would allow censorship to get this off of the screen right now. This could never be uttered anywhere else. He said, I'm not pro-fascism, but today we need to make somebody disappear. Bro, what is he watch? He watched him say this. He watched crossover, his ankle breakers. He watched a single, like, highlight, probably like a 20-minute play
Starting point is 00:08:01 from James Hardin and thought that. That's crazy. This is a funny one from Will Oates. The Cavs are the only team in the East that would be a playoff team in the West. That's hilarious. Playoff team is crazy. So who's going to be the 8th seed?
Starting point is 00:08:15 Like the Warriors? How many teams in the East? are better than the Warriors. Okay, that's disrespectful to the Knicks and the Pistons. Outside of that, you got it. You got it. I don't think any other team could survive. I don't think he's disrespectful with the Pistons.
Starting point is 00:08:28 Look at the Westin Conference right now. The best, the eighth seed right now, okay, well, right now is wonky as fuck. Actually, the Phoenix starts on the 8th seed for now. Yeah. But I don't know. Who's gonna move up by this. Pistons are better than getting in. Actually, never mind, this is disrespectful because there's a lot of shitters in the West right now.
Starting point is 00:08:44 Because the clippers are terrible and the Mavericks are terrible. so it's probably going to be Portland as the 8 seed. Yeah, I think the I definitely think the Pistons could make it, the Knicks can make it, possibly the Milwaukee Bucks, but that's on the line. So no, you're wrong. Okay. So there's four playout teams out there that would be a
Starting point is 00:09:02 playoff team in the East, in the West. Yeah. So basically, the Eastern Conference would be the playing tournament for the West. Except the Cavs would be higher. The Cavs would be top six and they push somebody else down. I think we might just like doing that. We have to start doing it the other way. Take the West and make the Western playing, put them as the bottom, as the last two teams.
Starting point is 00:09:25 Yeah, Detroit's definitely better than Portland. Bucks are better than Portland. Will the Hawks be better than Portland if they're whole? No, I think their defense is also very funny that you bring that up. Because earlier, whenever we were talking about Sabone's being traded to the Hawks, and you're like, we're way too smart. It's like, oh, no, let's not break up the five seats. Let's not mess up this glorious plan.
Starting point is 00:09:47 I let him have that because they have to portray young So I think they're they're showing some restraints But I was like, whatever. I think our process is a lot better. Five seat or eight seat? I guess they're geniuses. Next up. Kauai Leonard is better than D-Wade all time, no debate.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Bro, shut up. Stop talking. Please. What? Did you watch, man? He's done him to fuck off today. No L takes anymore. It's die.
Starting point is 00:10:12 It's violence. No. What is the strongest argument for this? I don't know. Like, D-Wa, done all the playoffs stuff. The strongest argument for this is... Peak Kauai Leonard. Hulucogenics.
Starting point is 00:10:28 It's that. And it's probably saying, like, peak Kauai might be... The, like, idealized version might be one of the best, like, hypothetical players of all time. So if you're trying to make that case, then sure. But, again... Also, go back to this.
Starting point is 00:10:44 See if it still has one like. Put one dislike on. Listen, it's a respectable hot take, I guess. You say no debate makes it dramatic. But as far as your hot take go, if you're saying that prime Kawhi Leonard, the best version of him, two-way demon, one of the best premier defenders of all time, and there's some small overlap where he was also a top-tier offensive player, if you want to tell yourself that that could have paid dividends, and if you put him in situations D-Wade was in, and he
Starting point is 00:11:07 stayed healthy, and if we got the best case scenario for him and the worst-case scenario for D-Wade, maybe you could say he's better. Too many moving parts, too many words, too many hypotheticals. You're on drugs. Happy Scarecrow. You are correct. They are smoking crack in the comment section. This is drug addiction.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Maddox West says Zion will be traded to a championship contender and will be a key piece of a dynasty. Okay. This confirmed. You are right. We have. We have issues. We have community has issues. We have rocks abuters in the comment section.
Starting point is 00:11:38 I think they're legitimately smoking crayons. Incredibly toxic for your brain. Well, keep on. What are you saying this? can trade to a contender so they're saying a smaller role where Zion's not your best player at all. So he's saying Zion can be harnessed in a smaller role where you don't have to rely on him
Starting point is 00:11:49 and he can be the, he can be the Iggy to the Warriors, somebody that takes him over the top. If he gets traded to the Warriors and he takes over that Kaminga spot, fine. If he gets traded to the Spurs and he's a sidekick to Wembees. I'm like that like, or what's a different? To Anthony Edwards, if he's Anthony Edwards' sidekick
Starting point is 00:12:04 and he's this crazy pick and roll combo, do you see elite sidekick in Zion's future? Zion's future, very short future. When you were like two years But he said dynasty It's never going to happen Can we get a three peep With Zion being the third option?
Starting point is 00:12:19 No What's the best possible scenario Where we can send Zion to be a third option And they can get a three Pete What's the most likely one? Is it the Spurs? The Spurs are O KC Those are the two
Starting point is 00:12:29 I don't even want to trade Jada for Zion Yeah, I don't even think Okay, see I think we have to give him Wemby I think we have to give him a stretch five That's the best player in the world Who covers up everyone's weaknesses And eyesores
Starting point is 00:12:40 Yeah, then Harper is a superstar so zan can be the third best player then we can get a dynasty going Denver I can keep not too lazy like replacing Aaron Gordon too lazy on you can't do that let's say let's say you keep Aaron Gordon some out you play him and put Zion at the ew replace Cam Johnson you can maybe your foot speed would be so bad on defense yeah and I'm good now I think we have to have third off we have to trade him for the Aaron Fox and Harper has to be ready to be a superstar in your two and he gets Zion being the third option catching gloves and just only dunking he's a fancy Aaron Gordon. He sits in the dunker spot. I think
Starting point is 00:13:12 we can get something going. He would be the greatest six man of all time. The greatest book you get our all time. He honestly should be a six man. Yeah. And I was thinking about this. You're treating my old man Bill Walton where he can't play big minutes anymore? Yeah. Because I was thinking about this the other day. He can definitely be a six man. And I again, I need to do just a little bit more
Starting point is 00:13:32 research and like shunning out on this theory. But I'm starting to think that he played the wrong sport. I really do think he should have been a left time. you think it is no that's a defense event he needs to be rushing the past either either way he needs to be on the field you know he needs to be julius peppers yeah he needs to jet yes he's swift on his feet I know he has a good spin move I guarantee yeah I I do think because you you think about basketball you think about just how much you have to move back and forth and how much strain that puts on somebody who's as explosive as I on and maybe because he's having all of these soft tissue issues like it's not working but if you want to play to play basis you Maybe it could work out He should be And you're only asking him to play for 17 games Not going back and forward
Starting point is 00:14:14 Just forward He should be Mario Williams Maybe to the side here and there Okay, I can see it I can see it Someone said what if Zion's in the Lakers To play with Luca after Braun retires You know what's funny?
Starting point is 00:14:23 That's super likely Rob Polinca loves big names That's super likely to happen You see that? And that would just be hilarious He could save the Cowboys season Yeah Isn't that funny
Starting point is 00:14:32 Like Zion going to Lakers Is incredibly likely Given the track record of this franchise Probably Then buying it on him trying to fix him with Luca, like that's incredibly likely. If the Pelicans, once again, trade their franchise power forward to the Lakers,
Starting point is 00:14:47 I'm stepping in and I'm buying personally, like, not even like me as the league. Donovan Smoot will buy the Pelicans. You can afford them too. I'll take out a couple loans. But like, we'll get it done. When LeBron comes back from his injury, he will help Luca when MVP and AR are going a crazy win streak and they'll win 70 plus games to be the best trio ever and win a ring for the Lakers in his final season.
Starting point is 00:15:08 In the NBA, making history, winning a ring with brawny. Making, winning a ring with brawny such a hilarious ad. Can they be the best trio of all time? Oh, man. I love fanfishing. Maybe. Maybe LeBron was 26. Yeah, if LeBron was like 26 or hell even 30?
Starting point is 00:15:25 70 plus games. Sure. 70 plus? How many games have they lost already? Four. Or three? I don't remember. Yeah, they'd have to win, lose like eight games here on out.
Starting point is 00:15:35 They're eight and three. Yeah. So they got to win, only lose nine. games here on out that's tough 62 and 9 on the way gab it's not it's not crazy i saw somebody tweeted today that uh because they said that lebron is going to be practicing with the south bay lakers oh yeah and they they said look at brony getting his dad a job he's a nepal parent 10 scoring titles is the most unbreakable record of all time i disagree who has 10 is jordan yeah probably uh man
Starting point is 00:16:04 that's pretty hard 10 like what did what did katy end up with Is he having five? Four. He only had four. He had four in a row and then never got one again. Ten is pretty hard. These days, with how hard it is to play a lot of games, how much more is ass of stars, the best scores can't just be the best scores anymore.
Starting point is 00:16:22 Defenses are way more key down on best players than they were back then. A lot of these games, Jordan, like, would see a basic double team or no date of double team at all, attack one-on-one. You don't get that luxury anymore. When he had three games of being an elite score and they started tripleting him every time he touched the ball. And his brain broke. And he couldn't handle it as to fucking reconfigure. I think right now,
Starting point is 00:16:38 in the league, the only person who has an opportunity to do this through also, like, durability as well is probably Shea. But even then, you had to start really young. Yeah. And Shea's not, like, you had to start when you're like, you're two. And you've got to be the best score in the league immediately. She has how many scores had one or two?
Starting point is 00:16:55 He has two. Actually, no, did Embed have any before? Was he injured? He probably just has one, actually. Yeah, I can't remember. So until he's 35, so basically, until he retires, he has to win the school. Yeah, good luck, 36-year-old Shay being the scoring.
Starting point is 00:17:08 when you're like what the fuck it's not happening it would have to be like a luka luka averaged 28 in the second year that would have had to have been the scoring title and like all five of those all pro seasons would have had to have been a all NBA seasons would have had to be a scoring title yeah he might okay this might be unbreakable
Starting point is 00:17:24 too bad bradley bill got one off on lucas watch yeah that's not happening Bradley be able's a scoring title yeah he does over step curry he was all my fantasy team that year really yeah this might be the most unbreakable record I think about it yeah Players don't play as long.
Starting point is 00:17:39 The game's harder. The game is different. This might be very difficult. You think Wembe's out of the conversation over this? Yeah, because he's not a score. Like, yeah, he hasn't elevated to be a score like that.
Starting point is 00:17:46 Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's ever going to be his game. The NBA Cup is actually a good thing. Yes. I remember when it first came out. I think, wasn't you, Donovan, who was like,
Starting point is 00:17:56 oh, this bulls who's trying to sell me some shit. I think it's good. It's a fun wrinkle. Yeah, I remember like two years ago when it came out, we were talking about how like this is a good thing to try to boost a level of a level of entertainment and also just like competitiveness
Starting point is 00:18:10 because around November when football's really starting to ramp up or whatever, it'd be kind of like, not dies, but it gets a little stale. So this is a good wrinkle. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:18:19 I think it's undoubtedly a good thing. I don't think they're at their final form execution-wise yet. I don't think the group play is what's going to be at its best. I think it needs to be more of a linear tournament. I think they need to wait a little bit longer,
Starting point is 00:18:30 maybe do it like the first couple weeks of December before Christmas. Maybe Christmas can be the finals. You know, maybe we can reinvent NBA on Christmas potentially. But I think it needs to be, It needs to be a single elimination tournament. I think the format needs to change.
Starting point is 00:18:40 But in general, any season tournament, I think is great for the game. Yeah, it's, the group plays really hard because everybody would have already played each other anyways, right? So, like, it doesn't, it doesn't feel special, like the, the most special thing that, that is about these, these games is the court, which is, I will give them. Which is cool. Yeah, I'll give them credit for that because everything. You do that, Tim Bulls, green is cool. No, it's not. It's not cool.
Starting point is 00:19:03 I think it's cool because it's just like, it's just different. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's novel. And I think novelty is cool when used for individual things like this that are different from the main product. Only way I see the group play working is that they make it divisions. If every year your group is your division. And we kind of like try to purposely reinvigorate divisions mattering.
Starting point is 00:19:24 I'll call out of. Year by year, different group pools is never going to be a thing. That's going to be interesting. Making divisions matter is a good wrinkle. Yeah. But it is unique. Overall, it's good. I do want to see a more linear tournament though.
Starting point is 00:19:33 Yeah. But, you know, they also probably agree. It's a difficult thing to figure out in this. schedule of the season. But I think they can do it. I trust you, Adam Silver. Do better. GMs get too much credit for the draft.
Starting point is 00:19:44 It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Wimby or LeBron should go number one overall. And for the late-round drafts deals, that was pure luck. Pure luck, you're dumb. He says, because if they knew they had potential to be Hall of Famers, they wouldn't have gone that low. So obviously they didn't know Yoko's a hall ofamer.
Starting point is 00:19:56 They're lucky that he was. This is a terrible take. Too much credit. Do you know how many GMs like get picks wrong, Brett? Do you know the luck in the history of the number one overall pick? it's not like such a shoe in all the time hell not even number one number three four and five and all like it's not luck at all yeah if you saw the draft board for the charlotte hornets
Starting point is 00:20:17 of the michael jordan extended you would not feel this way shit the draft board for the charlotte hornets in general right like if you think about it they've had the jordan not the jordan thing the cobi thing where they went ahead and traded him they traded away sGA and then on a smaller scale too they had jalen durner initially they traded him away like they have so many whiffs they have a history of whiffs. I would say GMs probably don't get an upgradeer for the draft. I think it's a huge skill gap. And I get why you would say this for the examples you gave.
Starting point is 00:20:45 There's a whole lot of draft picks in between one and 55 that matter and take a skill gap at different levels. Look at what Sam Presti is done. The fact that every draft he gets isn't always a hit, but there's a lot more hits than most people. And that's allowed him to build out this deep ass team. I think the NBA draft is single-handedly, like the most important tool that any team could use.
Starting point is 00:21:03 Yeah, honestly, we probably under talk about the value of the NBA drafts, if anything. Yeah The Pistons are the scariest team in the East Kate is the second best player in the Eastern Conference All right, let's slow down Let's slow, oh, oh, second best Less than awful
Starting point is 00:21:15 Scariest team these Speed up Let's do you think about this verbage carefully Scariest team Is Jared Allen scary? No No, no Is Cat scary?
Starting point is 00:21:25 No Is beef stew and Jalen Duren punching you in the nose scary? Yes, they are the scariest team in the league in the East Hi, by that logic You make some sense They're scarier than the Knicks
Starting point is 00:21:36 The Knicks have Josh Hart and Jalen Brunson, paddy kicking. They're not scary. Paddy kicking. They're just best buds. It's just a vibe. It's not scary. We are a vibe. Kate's taking 45 shots while he has goons behind him at crowbars.
Starting point is 00:21:48 That is scary. And they're huge. Yeah. And then you got just like guys lose their mind on every possession and we'll play basketball. It's like it's their last breath of air and Ron Holland. Shoot, Ron Holland will die about it. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:01 Yeah, exactly. Dude, Ron Holland is such a serious. Like he plays with all of his heart. every single night. Last year he almost gone to fight and he was talking crying bro. He was that serious about it,
Starting point is 00:22:11 like he will die about this basketball shit. Donald is ready to go. Dude, he will die about this shit. Yeah, they're scary. They're scary.
Starting point is 00:22:19 I think if Yonis had a co-star, maybe it'd be the bucks in terms of being scary, but the Pistons are intimidating. They're not going to be fun to play against the playoffs. I saw Ron stab Jordan Clarkson. Donovan can start for the Pelicans this year.
Starting point is 00:22:34 I could. Whoa. Let's think about their two guard death. I've been waiting for my chance. It's you and Jose Alvarado. Oh, Jose Alvarado is putting you under the basket. That's a battle. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:22:45 He's not putting you on the basket. He's posting you up. He's killing you. That's actually the one area. Yeah. Yeah. I'm staying solid. Bro, do you know his dead list numbers?
Starting point is 00:22:56 Do you know what he does? In the post? Yeah. I'm good. On the perimeter, crossed up. That's fair. That's fair. Your speed?
Starting point is 00:23:05 Good, good, good, good. I named the one player that's a comparable size in the league. Right there, right there. This year's MVP race is going to strictly be between Shea and Luca. I mean, what about Wembe? Well, Wembe slowed down a little bit. He needs to... We're 10 games into the year.
Starting point is 00:23:24 I just mean in terms of people saying he's an MVP lock, like the same way we know Shea could be and Luca could be. We've seen them be at the top of the ballot every time. So I understand why they're not assuming Wemby's still going to be there. I think he probably will get back. But, you know. If this is going to be like... like a one, two, three seed,
Starting point is 00:23:37 Wembe and the Spurs being three seed. I think Wembe's for surely going to be in that. But do we think he's going to say there? Wemby? The Spurs. The Spurs, they probably could. Okay. They could, yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:49 You're right. If he is the three seed and those other teams are right by them, then yeah, Wembe will certainly be in the conversation. Yeah. But I think, I do think Yonis is the MVP so far the season. But if you want to tell me that the Bucks can maintain a record that's good enough for him to really get votes over, Shea, then I guess I can understand Yonis not being in it.
Starting point is 00:24:05 Yeah. Because that's what it comes down to. This time of year, there's always people that are in the conversation because they're putting up crazy numbers in a 10-game sample. But at the day, the season comes to an end and you have to be within striking distance record-wise of the other guys. Yeah, and that's true, but I still think, I still think Janice, like, Yonis should be up to because the numbers he's, I feel the most confident about the number that he's putting up compared to some of the other guy. And so it's going to be there. And so he is going to be on the ballot for a lot of people. So I would put him in that combo.
Starting point is 00:24:33 Okay. Yeah. They would have to be really bad for him not to be in the conversation. And they're not going to be worse than 500, I think. That's not possible at all. They're going to be a 47 to 48 win team probably. Yeah, I agree. If the season ended today or hell, whatever happens once like May comes around and shit, I think Yonis would be the definition of an MVP in regardless of what the numbers take out to be, wins, loss. He will be like this year's most valuable. Same thing when it comes to how I feel about Justin Herber and shit. I view them as like the same type of guys in the same similar situation. Obviously, Yonis is like, different stratosphere, but it's like, yo, like, if you're,
Starting point is 00:25:08 if you weren't playing to this degree, your team is. Yeah, he's not as good at what he does as Herbert is the way he does, but it's an understandable parallel. Yeah. I just think what if Shea has 68 wins again and like, the league's going to be tired of it. They won't do it. They won't do it. They wouldn't do it. I don't think they would do it. It might just be the same thing as last year where it's like, how does it not, how is it not She? They're going to be tired. I think the voter is going to be tired of Shay. You can't be tired of 68 wins when your co-stars are heard. You really can't. You can't. That's immune to voter fatigue. Are you sure about that?
Starting point is 00:25:34 Yes, if they were 68 games with J-Dub hurt for a lot of the year and then rolling out this bullshit offensive lineups, you can't. Voter fatigue will mean nothing. Yeah. 68 to 68. Kendra Perkins. They doubt you right now. Kendri Perkins is an argument to be the number one player in the NBA right now.
Starting point is 00:25:51 Go ahead. Do it. I think, yeah, but the way that he's been playing, it is crazy in the backpacking that he's been doing. It seems like every single night we've seen Yonis do something that he's even never done. before or he's putting up these crazy you know 38 13 and 7 and I'm okay with it yeah yeah I'm okay with with the argument that he's the best play in the world it's never been crazy to think
Starting point is 00:26:16 that but like best player in the world is such a like soft title that isn't really concrete and like provable it's kind of like a vibes thing like you have the crown right now and like someone like Yokic isn't going to lose that crown until he loses it you know like he at yonis has to snatch it and like have some big playoff moment before people are really going to give him that credit. Yeah, like he has to back back this team to the at least bare minimum Eastern Conference Finals and go out in seven games. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:39 If not that, you got to be in the finals. Because Yokin is kind of at that point now where like when LeBron had that title for so long and others are winning MVP, but we still know we still knew LeBron is LeBron. We want him in a playoff series. That's kind of the feeling on Yokic, where he kind of just gets the title because he's earned it. Unless Yonis is going to like make some crazy 2018 type of finals run. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:56 I don't know how people aren't going to acknowledge Yokch is the best. Yeah. Yeah. But this is not crazy at all. You can be, I mean, I mean, good not. Yeah, number two being number one isn't crazy at all. And that is the last one. That is our final hot take.

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