The Deep 3 Podcast - The 10 NBA Players That NEED To Be Traded Most | Ep. 62

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

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So as I'll see you from the title, today we're going to talk about NBA trades. And I know it's really early in the season to be doing that. But I think we're going to lean into that. The point of this is to give an early overreaction to teams that are struggling and that clearly need to make moves. And we're going to talk about the players that are at the center of that and should probably get moved. And then we'll see in the future if these problems, you know, maintain and they actually

get traded or fiend up looking stupid. Listen, we're blowing up like eight or nine teams today. That's really what we're doing. We're hopping in the trade machine. We're making blockbuses for two hours straight. it's going to be fire. There will be great trade proposals made and also terrible ones, of course.

But at the end of the day, you know what this podcast is about. Vives and nonsense. 100%. And I think the main thing I want to talk about with this is mostly to talk about the team dynamics for teams that clearly need to make moves.

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Help us boost those numbers, even if you don't actually listen there. Yeah, man. Let's get into it. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. So as you saw, that was a very different intro than usual.

And we did that because yesterday, or I guess two days, ago when this is finally dropping, we announced on Twitter that we're officially partnering with House of Highlights to be a show under their umbrella. And yeah, man, it's a whole new air for the show. And I saw some people in the comments where like, what does this mean for the show? Nothing's going to change. All it means is more content, more opportunities, a bigger, I don't know, microphone on the show to bring it to more people. It's going to be great. Exactly. You're going to be seeing way more of us and there's going to be a lot more content, just up leveled, everything high

level and we're going to be doing our thing as usual crown eaters yep making it phase two for the crown eaters give them give them more what they need thanks yeah the whole first year is in very bare bones has been just us just getting it out the mud figuring out free time to make everything happen so just expect double down of everything you like about the show more opportunities for that and yeah just like like most it you're going to see more from us going forward and when he says getting it out the mud we mean quite literally getting it out the mud recording up to 2 3 a.m. Sending footage

3, 4, 5, 6 a.m. Bro, shit was crazy. But now we're here and we're going to go crazy. Look, look, Isaac was saying like we're going to get out the mud and like everything is going to stay the same. But like along the way, I think everybody is like acknowledged every kind of like level up that we've done. Whether it would be like, oh, like the cameras are different.

The audio is different now. Like if you go back and you look at one of our shorts from like last year in July. Yeah. It looks and feels completely different than like what it is now, but I think that like our chemistry and our synergy has just gotten better. So that's really like all that it is. Like production level is going to get better. Like the opportunities where you guys see us is going to be different. But like we and us three are going to be the exact same. And it's just going to be good vibes moving forward. 100%. Like like you said, we've been improving little by little. That improvement is just going to skyrocket. The same trajectory we've been on. it's just going to be amplified. Yeah. And look, this couldn't have happened without all of our crayon eaters.

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We got to start every episode with that. Yeah. Now let's talk about some NBA trades. About time. Listen, before this, we took like seven minutes trying to make this intro. This was the hardest seven,

seven, eight minutes of content that we've ever done for no reason. Straight nonsense. Yeah, man. So how we're going to do this is we're each going to take turns naming one player that needs to be traded from our perspective, talk about the team,

talk about where we want that player to be traded and go one by one until we hit 10. So I'll start. I think we had to start with the Chicago Bulls, like I said. And I think it starts with how they have to trade Zach Levine. Okay. Are you on agreements?

Yes. Who the hell is in? an agreeance. You also could have said anybody on the Chicago Bulls, I would have been like, yeah, like they probably have to go. Yeah, but I think, so let's take a step back. What's wrong in Chicago Bulls from y'all's perspective? They're obviously not good.

They're mid. We all been thinking that. Why is that this year? Well, vibes are extremely low, right? Players only meeting on night one. That's crazy. So there's, so like there's that. But then you also have like the structure of your team in.

in these two perimeter guards or I guess forwards whatever wings and like Levine is good but he's not top 10 de Rosen is past his prime he's still good but he's not he's not at that level and so you just don't have enough talent to get you to where you were where you want to be and they're paying all this money to be in NBA purgatory to be mid of mid and that's just not where you want to be like if if you're not a championship contender it's honestly better to be kind of at the bottom maybe have some hope start in a new direction yeah than to be in the middle and just be like bleh for years and that's exactly what they've been and you mentioned Levine and de Rosen being you know just just not good enough of a combo

as your top two players they don't have enough juice to really compete but the real nail in the coffin I think looking back we all agree is when they trade for Vucevich and kind of double down on that core and said this is our big three of very low level all stars and Vooch himself isn't even really all-star level anymore. So it's really the combination of those three being your key guys, none of which are good at defense, none of which are particularly good passers, all kind of just want to be in the same area as the court.

It's just all around doesn't make sense. And I think everybody agrees on that. But look, but for 27 games, when Lonzo Ball was healthy, they were number one in the East. And listen, but now that Lonzo's ball, wow, can't even talk. Now that Lonzo's knees.

That's, that's wild. That's wild. My bad, my bad. He has a hard name. We're trying to say plural. What? He really doesn't. Things can get mixed up.

Things can get mixed up. You're the only person in history who said that. Listen, listen, listen. I tried to say Lonzo balls, as in the possessive apostrophe S. And it came off as the plural ball S. Okay. That's what I'm saying they can get confusing. So anyways, Lonzo's knees.

Never heard somebody explain to pause this much? Lonzo's knees went haywire, right? And he's there. they're cooked at this point and it's like extremely tragic and so like the the main connector that they had who can do a lot of the defense a lot of the passing that their stars couldn't he's no longer there so like we never been able to see the full potential of the score and if he's not coming back at whatever level that he was at which he's obviously not going to then you kind of have to move on yeah yeah man so mo what do you want to see levin if he's get traded where do i want to see levin if he wants

to get traded well first and foremost i will say that my first trade package i'm glad we're all aligned does involve the chicago bulls and zach levin and i believe that he should be traded to the initial team five years ago i believe that initially offered him a contract which was the sacramento kings now oh okay that's interesting the sacramento kings they do not have anything uber enticing of course because you know what I'm saying there they don't have as many

they don't have any all-star pieces or young players who you're looking your chops at or by any means or whatever who would fit on that team so this trade this move would be just them pleasing Zach Levine and if this trade was to happen in a pack I could envision a package of something like

Kevin Herder whose role has not been as impactful so far this season, and we saw the impact last season in the playoffs specifically start to deteriorate a little bit because Malik Monk is just a ridiculous role player, six-man type guy. And so I envision a trade package of Kevin Herder, Harrison Barnes, for probably contract the reasons he's making a bag and whatever pick that they want. I think that's another thing that's underrated about the Sacramento Kings. They have a lot of picks and they own all their shit for the next few years. And so if I'm the Chicago Bulls and they go, if Zach Levine specifically recruits his

trade, request his trade because it's not happening unless Zach ass out or Demar ass out or anybody acts out, I'm actually taking a second and I'm listening and I think the Chicago Bulls should hoard any type of assets that they can so they can just build this hub of real men and trash. If I'm the Sacramento Kings... want to do that with my beliefs about the sacramento kings this is something that they should do because they haven't upgraded their talent compared to every other team in the western conference and on court the fit is damn near beautiful to me with Zach Levine and also Deeran Fox

whenever he gets healthy in a couple of weeks so it's something that I would do for I just I don't know that's such a man what do you think Donovan you go first it's a very like double down kind of move in terms of it is in terms of of like, hey, we already aren't like the best defensive team. Let's just not play even more defense. Right. And we're really just going to like get buckets for 48 minutes. And so it's like it's, it's cool. But I think that they, they already have and they probably, you know, look at their guys a little bit differently. But they have two guys who are low level all stars in Fox and Subonis. And then if you put Levine in there, you're putting another low level all star in there. And so you think they're

Bulls 2.0. I was going to say that, yeah. The low-key, very similar to the Bulls, just a lot faster. And better. Faster, better, and little younger. Yeah. So, bonus is a quicker,

Vucevic, I can pass. Dier and Fox is, you know, a slasher, like DeRosen, just way faster, younger in his prime. Like, that's not a totally different team. Kegan Murray's supercharged Patrick Williams. Supercharged Packer Williams is hilarious.

But. So it's better. You're right. But I, I've kind of, I'm growing to have the belief that if you're have a guard like Zach Levine a non-defensive oriented point guard I'm shooting guard

I think I think it's hard to have two defensively deficient guards on your team at once unless you have a generational defender to anchor it if you have a Joelle and Bede have Anthony Davis et cetera if you don't and you just have regular defensive town outside of that I think it's really hard to have two guards neither which are

above average defenders yeah I agree I agree I think and also I think at this point like the Kings it feels like something with them has changed. And I think that right now, with Mike Brown coming in, them having the success that they had last year, they might value the continuity, at least for this year, to be like, hey, let's run it back. Let's see what kind of success that we can have. Because if a lot of teams in their position, maybe last season was the offseason where they're like, oh, we just, you know,

we just level it up. We got to the three seed. Let's go out and make a move right now, really capitalized and they kind of stood pat on a lot of the things that they had and they were they're like listen we're going to go into this next season and kind of proved everybody that we can do we can do this again and so i don't think that like this year this might not be the trade for them no yeah but i can also see if this is the price it depends i don't know who they have to fill in harrison barnes's role as the other four next to kegan murray but if this was the price and it was like herder and a pick what do you have to lose yeah exactly like levin the hard Harder's not some great defender, you know, he's fine.

So, like, if this was the deal, I think it would make sense. We would have to see if the Bulls value that first-round pick because I don't think Zavak Levine has, like, the most trade value right now. He's not a monumental piece whatsoever, and that's why he's going for the low. And I think something that will be enticing for the Sacramento Kings, more than the Chicago goals, because mid is they're going to do whatever they do, is that they're looking at their big three, which is Deeringer Fox, Sabonis,

and someone who a lot of fans and people in the king's organization look towards when it comes to making that leap and being the third guy third star is kegan murray and yeah he's been playing and so so you know what i'm saying and i think him being the fourth guy on most nights is truly probably his best position in the NBA and i think if there's a chance if he's still playing like man 30 games into the season 25 games into the season and zach levine's name is exploded out. This should be a trade that they just go ahead and let fly because that first arm pick that they're getting in 2025 or 2026 is not going to be anything that changes the trajectory of their organization whatsoever. So if you get someone, if you just get a better

version of Kevin Herder, which is Zach Levine, how badly can you lose now? Something I will say is losing that depth and one of the, probably the best, one of the best defenders on their entire roster in Harrison Barnes does hurt and he is actually playing well but Harrison Barnes is Harrison Barnes so how far can he really take you yeah I

I think they would entertain this I tend to think that they'd probably want to give these one more season to this court and see what happens but I think this like this if they fail again in the playoffs I can see them entertain this next summer yeah the team that I most want Zach Leeman to go to is the Detroit Pistons

I don't know if y'all have thought about this at all But they have Kate Cunningham, a very strong defender at point guard, big guard. They have a Sarr Thompson. Looks like he might be a generational defender at the three. They have Jalen there at the four. Look like he might be a pretty fucking great rim protector at the five. At the four, I think when they're healthy, they're going to start Boyon. The two, they start motherfucking Killian Hayes, the worst score in the NBA.

And they do that for defensive reasons. And because of that, they've kind of cast Jaden Ivy to the side. And Monty Williams is not a huge toes. Like that's the young guy he doesn't fuck with this year I think if they were to trade jaden ivy and give him a new team that will actually let him flourish and you know be the starting point guard for a team and brought in Zach Levine and let him play next to two six eight

wings that can be the one in two options defensively I think that is kind of like the perfect fit for him especially because I'm not sure if kate is going to have the long-term scoring punch that we kind of thought he might have coming into the league if he's not going to quite be that level of score Zach Levine might be the perfect compliment for him you know i like that trade a lot it makes it makes sense because they're just saying completely fuck you to jay and ivy or at least for this moment and so someone like zach levin who is

one of the still one of the most explosive scores in the NBA although this season may not revert like show that actually so far um this is like i think kate cunningham and his three level scoring helps i think they their game bounces back extremely well between the between each other because kate is not the most exposed to player in the NBA and you know i'm saying zack levin all he does is go go go for the most part and so i think having those two be your be your back court over the next few years will help everyone's growth overall and just you know the spacing is atrocious soar guards the best player a sarah guard is the best player kate guard the second best player you have you have durn in the back end like levin's going to guard like a

corner shooter most of the time like it's i think it's a good scenario for him i think i I think so, too. Honestly, the only reason, where I guess the main reason why I, like, wouldn't see this coming to fruition is that they're, like, they're not only in the same conference, but they're in the same division. And so it's like, I told like that, that might be a reason why they might, you know. Are the Chicago Bulls and an organization who really cares about this? Like, I don't know if the Bulls really care because they're not competing. The only thing that they're competing for is, like, ticket prices and filling up the arena every night. You know what I'm saying?

And I think that's a prerogist. Don't ask them that. I mean, don't ask them that. If you ask the Bulls, like, what they're playing for, they're playing for an NBA championship, which. But they lie. They lie to everyone's faces, though. That's what they have to say.

And we know that. We understand that. But, like, if you tell them, hey, we're going to trade, like, these trades for the Bulls only makes sense if they are trading everybody. Because if they are only going to trade Levine and they're going to keep the Rosen and Vooch, it doesn't make sense because you are, you're not up. grading yourself enough to be competent right now. So like unless everybody else goes and it's a fire cell,

then that's the only, that's the only moment where I think that this like makes sense. But with with the right hall of picks, I think I think for sure, yeah. Go go ahead and go ahead and do it. And obviously, well, let's move on to DeRosen because I'm glad you said that. Like if they're going to do this,

they're going to blow everything up. So I think we should use DeRosen as like one of the next of the 10 players to talk about while we're on the subject of the Bulls. but before we move on from Levine a lot I feel like the most commonplace people would talk about has been the 76ers because no they trade for those picks

they obviously have another move to make do you like him on the sixers eh that's that's not why that's not that's not yeah it doesn't like move me too much are you gonna say Miami yeah that's that's what I think for I think Miami is very clear like you guys need

more juice in your offense and it's been like is he there's been if they wouldn't trade from Bradley Beal then why the fuck would they trade for Zach Levine? Because they've done this for years and they've been like, oh no, like we won't take him, we won't take him, we won't take him.

And then you look up now and your team is offensively very deficient and you like, you missed out on Dame, Beal, KD, all these other guys, you might as well settle and get just a little bit more offense, especially after Struc and Vincent are gone. Like, you have to do something, right? That's what I would probably include how they here.

Right? Wouldn't that deal include Tyler Hero most likely? Absolutely. It has to. It has to. Has to my mind. Is he that much better than Is he that much better than Tyler Hero? Is that swap going to make them meaningfully that much better? Tyler's been hooping to start the year. Right now is averaging 25 points per game. He's shooting 44% let's fuck it. Let's say 45% from the from the from the field to prop up my propaganda. You know what I'm saying? And he's shooting 41% from the three point line. exactly wean's averaging 21 and his efficiency hasn't been struggling before so whatever and in my mind they are in the same vein an archetype of the type of two guard that doesn't really move mountains for a lot of teams because they're negative defense and also they're not the greatest playmakers in the world and they just have a hyper skill set of shooting and just getting an abundance of buckets at a rapid rate you know what I'm saying and with that play style you have to have specific specific type of guards and defense around you and all that and I just don't think that's anything

that you build around Zach Levine is not someone to any organization just want to build around whatsoever because he's not going to lead you to anything but you know what I'm saying mid you know I'm saying so it's like I just don't think that's a right move yeah it's like he's better than hero still exactly means numbers are worse because he's in a fucking awful situation playing with that bulls team that we clearly outline why they're not working if he was in tell the hero's shoes he'd have better numbers too but I don't know if if it's like that much better impact that it's worth giving up assets

or that being your all in move? I think I think they have to make a move though. I agree, but it's just... I mean, what else is out there? And that's the big thing is that you've already waited so long that now you are in the like consolation bracket

and so Zach Levine is at the top. He's the prize of the consolation bracket. Right? He's at he's at the top of that list. And so he would be one of the... There's a Joellen B looming. This next off season potentially, so maybe they're waiting for that. I don't, I don't, I don't want to hear waiting for me. Let's save that for episode 89, man.

But I remember we spent a lot of time on Zachman. We should move on another player. Yeah, no. We got, we got nine more players to go through. We got to move fast. We're going to take a quick break from the pod to tell you guys about our newest partner, Sleeper. And look, I'm having so much fun watching all these games in the first couple weeks of the NBA season.

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and he's not as like plugging he's not a plug and play as plug and play as Zach Levine and he's getting kind of older so I don't know what team would want to fucking trade for him I think he stuck to be honest with you I think he's a Nick I think he's a Nick because if this were to happen they blow it up

I think they could probably dump Julius Randall not to the Bulls but in a three team trade whoever wants Randall And that's the only way it makes sense, I think I think if you can get rid of Randall I think Levine's on a shorter term contract I think we should pull that up Maybe I'm talking my ass

But if you can get off the Randall experience That's clearly not working And they bring DeMar in there for a short term However long, I think he has two years left on this contract And Kind of like keep a similar configuration With Brunson and then a non-shooter Next to him that's like good

But not quite good enough Maybe that's appealing to them to mix it up I'm glad you brought up Julius Randall I'm glad I'm glad you brought him up because for the Bulls talk I hope we can end this year because we have talked about the Bulls for a lot okay let's move on is julie rounder you're the first player he's he's number one and the team that I have for him is anywhere but New York I'm done a for sale sign on his ass damn get him get him must go now get him get him out I've said

since since the day he's been here listen I I love I love the Knicks I rule for everybody. Him, his love is conditional. If he is stinking it up, if he is thinking it up, I do not want him on my team, right? You have to produce at a high level for me to really want you there. The effort that he has given this season

has been terrible where we saw in the, I think it was in the plane. It was either in the playing tournament or just in like a random game. I think it was in a random game where he waved off Brunson after he had the clutch shot miss. I was done with that

He's shooting Wait Can we scroll up just a little bit To see his stats Nikiel pulled him up He is shooting What is this 29

29% from the field 25% from 3 And he's shooting 67% from the free throw line Come on Yeah he's not been great I'm done I'm done

This is odd your Julius around man What did you expect Come on now. Y'all tell me, I'm blinded by, I'm blinded by his poor stats. I don't even know where he would fit. I just want him gone. Where should he go? Whatever team will take him in the salary dump at this moment, because there's no leverage.

He's playing like shit. I can't name a single team that would make sense in terms of like they actually actively want him on their team. Like, Mo, do you have any ideas? There's literally no teams right now that makes sense. The only team, if you were to ask me this four months ago, I'll be like, oh, yeah, I got a team. The Utah Jazz. But guess what, Donovan, my team traded my dumb at my garbage ass for before your team did.

So you're out of luck, buddy. Sorry, man. You know what that means? He is a Washington Wizard and a salary. That's the only team that makes sense. But the Washington Wizards, hey, man, they're a free lick right now. Any player that you don't like who's probably getting overpaid, they didn't send him over there.

Can we get the league expansion now? Can we get the league expense out? Can we get them to Vegas? Can we get them to Vegas? Can we get them to Seattle? Can we do that? Because this is not working and it's frustrating. See, the problem is, the problem is they can't salary dump him. Yeah. Because if they were to do that, they would suck ass and be wasting Jalen Brunson. The only way they do that is if it's in the off season and they're making a play for salary recap space and they're going to try to go after people in free agency. They're going to throw Max at Seaccom and Max at OG, whoever is going to be there. but in terms of like in season like looming moves

they're kind of stuck with them because nobody wants them if you dump them for nothing listen you don't have what we top into sliding there anymore if you thought maybe he'd be the answer who's the clear replacement there yeah there's not there's only they don't have a jalen johnson looming waiting to get more minutes it's only if like if imbid tomorrow

was like i want out and then you're like okay well like you guys can have randall like it's he'll be fine for you maybe like that's that's the only reason the sexers wouldn't want his ass they no i mean there's if imbid this is if imbid is asking for a trade tomorrow and obviously that's a crazy hypothetical considering that they're like playing well not happening exactly so like he crazy stuff would have to happen for him to actually be moved and but he need we're just talking about people people who need to be moved he needs to be moved i think that a change of scenery for him is what's needed i think for the nix this experiment i've not even like an experiment but like this era is done i think we kind of know

like where he caps out at as a player and so it's just i think right now we're at a period in time fuck no you know how bad obi toppy obi would be facts somebody he'd be like i can't get away from him god yeah no the market right now for julius rand Randall is in hell and he has, he brings negative value currently as we're speaking out. Things can look different like six, seven, maybe a whole year from now. You know what I'm saying? When things settled down a little bit, Tiacom's no longer in the market because if I'm any team, why the fuck what I look at Julius Randall? That when there's a way better, all-N-A version of Julius Randall out there in Toronto, who probably wants to get traded.

And this is probably a great, ooh, Isaac, what you want to say? What you want to say? What you want to say? No, I was just going to say. also we should keep in mind Julius Randall is kind of like positive regression is coming

he's not going to shoot 27% I've been still to feel forever same thing applies though he could shoot 40% or 45% doesn't matter

so like they're stuck with him there's no market if they were gonna trade him would be like the trade deadline by then he'll probably be more normal

Julie's Randall so like by then it won't be all doom and gloom so it would probably be possible to trade him at some point

once he has positive correction to the mean but even then still stands who would want him like where would he fit the market is not right there's no market it doesn't matter how good he gets because everyone knows what he is at the end of the day and unless like an insane injury happens or whatnot you know like there's no real space for julius randall and

who he is as a player just yet like he's a he's a good player and he does good things for the most part on teams or whatever but there's no team in my mind that's one to take that type of risk give up those type of assets like mid-season like whatsoever so next year there's just not a lot teams I need fours exactly like literally run down the teams in the east or west and they're good except for maybe two or three and those two or three teams have like young players that they're trying to figure out you know what I'm saying why the fuck would they kamikaze their own team don't make no sense the hornets the hornets don't have a surefire answer there but I'd rather just rock a PJ Washington he hoop it right now he averaging like 21 on stupid efficiency yeah

Like, I keep PJ Washington. The Pacers don't have a surefire answer there. I don't think they want to invest a bunch of money in him. He's not that right to have Seacom there. Like, other than, I mean, the Wizards are the Wizards. I don't know what their goal in life is right now, but like they don't have a surefire for. But I think Coos is playing that right now

because they're starting Denny at the three. But you can start Coos of the three if you want to Julius Randall. But why the fuck would they want Julius Randall? Yeah, man. Market is non-existent. So we'll have. to see but I just needed to get it on record that I want this man out I want him so sad to say you are stuck with him and it's probably for the best because if they

were to trade him now they would be torpedoing this current era of the Knicks yeah hey man do do what you got to do my first team oh my first player first player okay so this is big this team has been playing really hot as of weight and this team is the Minnesota Soda Timberl's now. As soon as this trade happened in 20-ish games, we saw the 20-ish games that were played last season. I was like, you know, because of this Rudy Gobert trade, they're going to have to take the hell, eat the hell, the hell. It is what it is. And they're going to have to trade car and any talent for a bunch of whatever to reset the current state of their organization and do what's right for their generational talent, Anthony Edwards. So,

With that being said, the Minnesota Timberwolves on a cold Wednesday night hit up the Brooklyn Nets and they asked for Cam Johnson and what's his name? Dorian Finney Smith. Yeah, Dorian Finney Smith along with maybe a pick or maybe a second one pick. Are you suggesting that the Brooklyn Nets want to do the exact same thing and put cat at the four when Nick Clackson at the five? the Brooklyn Nets aren't good enough to not let that happen Why would they want Cat What are they doing? Why wouldn't they want Cat?

What's going on in the organization To stop them now we don't want crime They're not good enough for that I mean I just feel like you see that Cat at the 4 is atrocious If a team trace for him to play the 4 They're fucking moronic That's crazy Mo listen I don't think you're crazy

Because that's what I had on my list as well I had cat to the Nets as well. I think that it could be interesting. And I think that if you're the Nets, you can get Kat. And I think like you would want, I think Kat would be a very interesting experience. And so for the Timberwolves,

they trade for Go Bear. And then you kind of figure out, oh yeah, we can't have these guys. So the incumbent that you had, cat has to get moved. For them, trade for Kat. See what's out there for Nick Claxton. and maybe this is like a series of move.

We've seen from them like their entire. Okay, if you want to trade Claxton, that makes sense. Yeah, they have a lot of guys who would be great fits on, on other teams. I have Dorian Finney Smith on my list as a guy that I would like to see traded. And if you are reconfiguring that roster, yeah, Claxon can go, DFS can go. And you can start making a semblance of like a well-fitting basketball team. I think Cat to the Nets wouldn't be terrible. You just have to move Claxon, I think.

And I just don't. So would they give up picks in this situation? They don't really have picks like that to give up. If they wanted to, maybe it would be like a second round or whatever. But Kat's trade value at this point in time is not high enough to ask for picks. So that's why I think the broken mess. I think they have to. They have to.

And the Tim Wolves have to because there's absolutely no way that they can overpay for Gobert and then sell Kat for pennies on the back end and just make that entire like, trade stuff, a loss on both ends. Like, I don't, I don't think they can do that. So they have, they have to get pigs back. But like, I have two teams that I want to see Kat go to. I have two teams that, one, the jokes always at the Knicks, because we like to troll Donovan with that.

Listen, if they had to keep Julius, I don't think Kat's the worst player to pair with them. But I don't actually want to see that happen for Donovan sanity, I guess. Thank you. I think Kat needs to either be a grizzly or a calf. A cat. Okay, I understand the grizzly fit. Tell me, what about the cat fit?

Why that? It's the exact same situation as the grizzlies. You put him next to a four that is a DPOI level shot blocker. That's what he's needed the whole time. They decided to get him the biggest five, the biggest clunkiest motherfucker in the world to be the shot blocker next to him. It doesn't work. Jaron Jackson, very mobile, can stretch the floor as well, can block shots and be the main rim defender to the neck cat lacks. And they can both stretch out and give you five out looks with.

two big bodies, which is exactly what the Timberwolves don't have on that side of the ball. It's why their offense is clunky. That's an obvious fit to me. The Cavs have the same thing with Evan Mobley, except, which I guess he can't shoot. So I guess you could argue that that would be the same offensive issues as the Cavs, I mean, the Timberwolves currently have? Yes. But listen, right now they're rolling out there with Jared Allen and Evermobley, and they're good enough defensively to make it work. But we saw him last year in the playoffs, they lost because they had no spacing.

Their offense petered out They got bitch slapped by the Knicks I think of I think a five out spacing center Is the exact thing they need to pair with as Mowgli So are you the one I don't know But he's the only one available So do you so are you just like tanking on the idea

Of like Mowgli as a as a five in the future I think it's unnecessary If you can put him next to a stretch five Why does it be five if there's already a spacer Like the point is to have a shooter next to Mowgli Whether it be a four or five and Cat is the shooter as a big man Okay, that's not

It would be simple right It would be Jared Allen and a pick whatever The only concern would be If Donovan Mitchell doesn't want to stay long term Then you're kind of making an all in move And do you want to have Kat be the guy there If there's no Donovan Mitchell Hold on you said that so fast

Jared Allen The Minnesota Timbles will be receiving Jared Allen any pick from the cast for this No no it would be a three team trade They wouldn't want Jared Allen It would be a three team trade sent him to a team not once a center.

Basketball. I'm glad you asked. Okay, I was going to say. But you said they're way too fast. It would be a multi-team trade to a team that needs a big. Jared Allen's a very attractive piece for a lot of teams.

Whichever, like, if we look at a list of teams, who needs a big right now? Listen, the Spurs want a big next to Wemby. Maybe they would want a Jared Allen and they send back, you know, multiple wings or whatever. Or whatever team may be

that needs themselves a defensive anchor, they would send the wing pieces to the Timberwolves. no yeah i like this i like this move for the memphis grisies it makes sense the only the only gripe in my head that i can't get passed by is like yo look they're in the same conference i generally don't know if anthony edwards i don't know if like he would pass off this trade and the minnesota turtles look like they they should know that they're in serious business right now and helping the opposition and strengthening their

odds is not good business whatsoever so i like the idea of them doing something with the calves a little bit more I just I just don't know what it the three chain trade is going to be complicated as hell but NBA teams make it work you know what I'm saying so it's honestly not even that complicated

like what team is the center out there can you think of me that that would is the Mavericks are probably being the market for a center oh no I forgot no Derek Lively is fucking great Derek Lively yeah I forgot when Derek Lively he eliminates that for them whatever there's always a team that could use

a Jared Allen he's a very attractive type of player maybe it's the bulls in this circumstance and they figure something out maybe Zach the feet's going These guys But there's something out there That they could ship those pieces there Yeah also

It would definitely sign off on this Did you see what he did When Kat found out of the game the other day He was like oh it's my time Like I'm taking over Let's talk about that We should So okay let's let's take a step back

And talk about the Timberwolves a little bit Because people were gonna look at this And be like they're winning games You guys said they'd suck And now they're good And you still want to trade their best player, even our second best, even when they win, it's straight, trade, trade. I think we should address that because we're all pretty low on them.

And they look damn good right now. Yeah, I think we should have seven points and fouled out. He did not play. He didn't attribute to nothing. Now, I will say like he's good in spite of him. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like they're good, but that's only so and solely because of the system that they've been playing and also mainly it's like Anthony Edwards and Rudy Gober just like being.

He's been good. I don't want to say prime or peak Regobert, but God damn, he's like defensive player. He's giving me defensive player of the years type vibes right now, you know what I'm saying. They're a top defense and it's because Rudy Gobert is still Rudy Gobert. What a surprise. And they're winning games and it's still, you look at Kat out there and you're like, they'd be winning more games if he was fucking gone. Like that fit is still an issue. Yeah.

And also like, and I've seen this a lot and a lot of people have talked about it. The money issue for them moving forward is going to be like a. real thing right with gobert salary with mcdaniels contract that he just signed aunt's contract and then if you keep if you keep cat like they are easily going to be pushing if not over that second apron and so that's going to like severely limit the things that they can do to build their team around as anthony edwards is entering into his prime that's the last thing you want you want to be able to have as much flexibility to to bring in the pieces to make the moves needed to do that and so like This is a very, it would be a, okay, it wouldn't be proactive because that would be like them, you know.

No, it is. That is proactive. That's exactly what it is. Well, I mean, this is a, it's a mistake that they put themselves in. So that's what I'm saying. You're right. You're right. It's already an issue. Yeah. But they would need to do that for, for cap reasons as well.

So, yeah. Exactly. Like, it would be addition by subtraction. Like, and I think if Timberwolves fans see themselves currently winning these games early in the season and convince themselves at this core is like, is it because they're being, you know, the confirmation bias of winning these games early on, I think it's just a big mistake because the issue has never been they can't win regular season games. it's one in the playoffs

it's never gonna work with his duo it's super easy to scheme against them if you can target cat every game when you know have the time to game plan attack him as the four on the perimeter that's gonna happen it's gonna be really fucking easy I think and also it's just like if you like I said if you win with him you're winning in spite of him and in spite of this fit let me say it's by the fit

it's not necessarily cat's fault but cat and go bare together just make literally no sense and you're just severely limiting what you can accomplish with Anthony Edwards and by just not giving him a team that makes sense man a hundred percent a team that i really really want to see trade for car anthony towns now that we're on that topic are the tawanna raptors but there's the numbers don't necessarily make 110 percent sense but a player who i do want to see involved in that exchange

for caronetowns is someone like ogy annunobi you know what i'm saying i just imagine the defense's fit of having Rudy Gobert, Zana McDaniels, OG, and then Mike Connolly, that's fucking nasty, bro. But numbers-wise, doesn't 100% ping out as, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't 100% ping out just yet.

I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you mentioned the Raptors. I think we should transition this to the fourth player we're going to talk about being Pascal Seaccom. Because the team that I have for Pascal Seaccombe is the Minnesota Timberwolves. Wow. Nice. I think. Hope you crunch the numbers, man. the number is Pascal Seaccom and then filler whoever that may be

I think he's clearly to get traded and Katz clearly to get traded I think that's a three-team trade waiting to happen I think like you like the idea of Kat with the Raptors unless you talk about that a little bit more why I think that makes total sense and they made it very clear that they're handing the keys

to Scotty Barnes he's been incredible to start the year and if that's the case he's the four of the future OG makes sense to keep him there to three he can play off ball secondary next to Scotty and you ship Siakum off and bring in a five that can be the stretch big that fits next to them well

I think that makes sense and to me it's more about getting Seacom to the Timberwolves I think you keep the size you want but he can defend on the perimeter a little bit he's used to playing the four next to traditional big he can space the floor a little bit I think he is probably the ideal version

of what they're trying to do with Kat before I can see it working more so I'm more excited about seeing Cat on the Tauna Raptors in this case and that's a lot easier to envision seeing a clear pathway because Karin Thune Towns

is the exact type of player that they need at any position. They just need someone who can fucking shoot you know what I'm saying stop being so obsessive with defense he's a complete inverse of what their team is about bro. Don't play no D he's just all about switching his voice up

and hidden three and giving you 20 a night bro. Like that's what he does. You know what I'm saying? And so having him space out the floor for Scotty Barnes and Dennis Schroeder, I guess, who's ironically hooping. You know what I'm saying? Like there's that that's a clear pathway and that'll help the development of Scottie Barnes who should be their night in shining armor. Yeah. The problem with Siakum the Timberwell is the money thing. They're going to still be in cap hell if they were to do that. That wouldn't solve their looming issue of being a second apron team. But I think, listen, And if they're convinced that a too big system in the modern NBA is going to work with the one being a spacer, which, you know, Seacom isn't a space or spacer, but he's good enough.

I think that's a way for them to maintain the identity they want, but make a little more sense. But actually, the more I talk about it, does it still make sense? Like, is he a, I don't, I don't think so. I think if we're going to see a trade forecast, I think, like, I think the Timberwolves are probably going to, like, over correct. And they might, you know, like, they're probably going to go into. like a much like smaller brand of basketball and just try to you know because i mean whenever cat was out a lot of people were just talking about like oh minnesota is just going to be like another version of utah we have this like dynamic two guard and rudy anchoring the

the back end and i think that might be the way that they like look at constructing their team and this listen it's been crazy he's he's really he's really been crazy to start the season incredible and he's taking the leap that we all thought he would and so if he is taking that step offensively I think building everything around him and just made sure that he has the most space possible to operate get the least clunky person and so even if like siakum is good there's still just a little bit of clunkiness I think that this is the time where they say no we're going to try and make it everything as smooth as possible you know and go for fit over talent yeah I get that that makes sense

what other teams do you want to see if I can go to while we're on the topic of him hmm I had let's see I had Sacramento because he's available he's very clearly going to be available yeah I had Sacramento for for Pascal I think this is

the only but the only reason would just be because like just to get more talent in the in the building I think it's it's kind of along the same lines of like getting Levine in there and like you have two low level all-star you can get a guy who's been all NBA and I don't I don't know I don't love it I just

think that like if we're just trying to push stuff forward yeah like why not let's try it and so that's why that's why I wrote down that's why I wrote down Sacramento if I'm the if I'm a team like the I don't know if it will happen but yeah I agree with you Donovan like the Sacramento Kings they make sense it's not as seamless of a fit compared to something like Levine of course who can be put on on every other team, whatever. But regards to the fact, Seacquan brings great defense, another ball handler, and he has some playmaking into him.

And, of course, he's a good finisher and all that. He's a great score. He's a good score, too. So, honestly, if I'm a team like the maybe Indiana Pacers, since they don't really have a solidified four yet, Obitopin is good. You know what I'm saying? He hasn't been in those most improved player of the year strides like I thought he would. But he's still being good, serviceable, can't complain too much or whatever, but while I say that at the same time, you would love to have something like Pascal Seacom on your team.

And I think that raises the ceiling of the Indiana Pacers. Tyrese Halliburton is averaging like 24 points per game right now. He's going absolutely insane. And he's helping leading this team to one of the best offenses in NBA and having Pascal Seacom next to one of the best shot blockers in the NBA and Ty and Miles Turner. You know what I'm saying? Just getting into the folds of all the guys. it'll be fucking beautiful bro and that's like a great one-two punch yeah I can see that I don't know exactly the package you look like I know buddy healed his rumor to be on the move

then he's kind of settled in a little bit now like maybe they're not gonna move buddy hold after all is he the new mouse turner you know what you said I said I said is he the the new mouse turner where they just say every year oh yeah he's crazy traded we're shopping him 100% definitely what do you so this one isn't really realistic for many reasons but what do you guys think about this very very hypothetical idea that listen it's kind of like the worst kept secret that this is like the last dance for the warriors because they're probably not going to keep that core together clay's and be a free agent draymond signed an extension for two years i think not the most set in stone thing is there a world where they would flip draymond

for pascal siaccom and let that be the new second star for curry he would have to punt somebody else for them to trade him right now i don't i don't think anybody you is getting moved right now i yeah me do they listen i think like it's definitely not going to happen it's not going to they're not bringing up this core but if what would you think about it if they were open to that would that be enticing quick correction isa german green signed a four-year extension with the warriors it was four to yeah it's not yeah so he's not clay's going to be a free agent though after this year yeah and he's the one where i am not i feel bad for clay in advance of how these negotiations are going to go.

Facts. He's fucked. Because he's cooked. Yeah, I misremember that completely. Okay, so that doesn't make sense at all then. Yeah. I have the Knicks written down for Seacom. Yeah.

How would you feel about that, Donovan? Um, replacing Randall with Seacom and some three-team trade? Okay. Let's, let's do it. I'm down. Guys,

I just want Julius Randall gone. Like, that's really where I'm at. So if you tell me, if you tell me that, like, hey, we're going to upgrade Julius Randall to Pascal's, Diakom. Cool. Like, I'm all in. Buy me. Send me the jersey. Like, I'm down, you know.

It would require, like, all their assets, though. So would you be comfortable with that being their all-in move where they blow the picks they have saved? No, no. The, if, the all-in move has to be Joelle Embed. And then if it's not Joelle and B. Or, I don't know, if, I don't even know what other star, like, off the top of my head, I would be like, yeah, like, let's, let's go all in four. Maybe, as you know, not, not even demons, because I don't, I don't, I don't love the fit with him and Brunton. If it's not Joelle and Bid, I do not want us to go all in. And then outside of that, the next move, get rid of Randall. I personally, I would have to reevaluate like on a yearly basis if we made the trade for Kat. I would have to like really

see like how do I feel about this team this year. But honestly, the freshness of that, might be okay and I would I would be fine with that as well so it's just you just got to get him out out the paint man he can't be here yeah oh my goodness buddy right Donovan what's our next next player we're going to talk about all right also real quick the it's a lot of the a lot of the guys on this on these lists it's very weird because like the money aspect of it makes the market so like specific and it's like just probably like two two or three teams that make sense for all these guys um but the next guy that i have is tyous jones and whew jones okay i got his name on his bitch too let's talk about it i need i need ties jones okay sick oh let's do it in san antonio

immediately immediately i we have been we are six seven games into the season i'm tired of watching jeremy sohan play point guard i'm tired of all of these guys in san antonio ruining wimbi's rookie season. They, they need, they need a point guard, for real though. Like, Bissell is good. Um, Cuddin Johnson shouldn't be the point guard, right? Like, he shouldn't have the ball in his hands a lot. Wembe, he's not that level of creative for himself yet. He needs somebody to, to set him up to throw, to throw lobs, put him in good positions. And Tice Jones is a very good point guard who we saw for Memphis, was able to stabilize them, get, get them an adult in the room who knows how to play basketball, knows how to set things up. And it was,

wouldn't be like a major move. I think that they like the value for ties Jones on a young spurs team is astronomical for for them and their development. So that's the that's the main place that I want to see them. You see I like that move a lot. I like NBA brothers playing alongside of each other. Tias Jones, Tray Jones. They got a good thing going on. You know what I'm saying? I didn't think about that. Okay. The San Antonio Spurs, they see the vision. You want to get a lottery pick this year. There's a specific prospect over there playing in California by the name of Isaiah Collier. Not going to get into it too much because it's

fucking November. But Jeremy Sohan is the blueprint to get you a top pick. Keep running him at point guard. Keep doing it. They see the vision. You want to lose. Yay, when we may get you to the plane or whatever realistically speaking. I think we all genuinely believe that. But you don't want that top of success. You don't want to be a you you want to be as trash as possible you know what I'm saying so you can land another exactly so you can see another get another high level prospect and in that

mold too through that through that game plan Jeremy Sohan towards the end of the season there's no way in hell someone has someone has a ball in their hand it doesn't at least try to improve or at least improve a little bit as a playing maker you know what I'm saying so that makes Jeremy so in a little bit better too so if I'm the spurs I'll keep I'm running this shit back continuously Nice. Yeah, I think Jeremy Sohan is good, but he needs to be Draymond, not Ben Simmons. I don't know why they're, I don't, I mean, Pop knows something we don't.

He sees him every day and, like, knows his skills much better than we do. So maybe he sees a long-term vision that is worth investing the time in his Jeremy Sohan. I'm not in that locker room. I don't have a reason to believe that. So I don't fucking see the vision either. I think he should be a short role playmaker, like Jamon Green, being that role next to Wembe at the five long term. maybe maybe the point of this

is they want to keep him on the court but they also want to play Zach Collins so Wembe isn't the five and that means you put Jeremy at the one as an experiment I don't know but I say also say I see the vision with Ty Jones there 100% yeah absolutely

yeah they have they have to get somebody in the building and as we've said the Wizards you guys are on a reality TV show you guys are just you guys are trying to show the world and you guys are playing for the prize of a third contract right you try and show the rest of the league i can still hoop like please don't forget about me i can

still play basketball and i think that for tias jones like let's let's save them because they have let's get them off love island yeah i just yeah i just i think san antonio really needs helping that aspect and i it's if if so home was just like a little bit better i think everybody can see the vision but we we're two weeks in and like you said everybody sees you should be more of a point forward rather than a point guard and I just I don't think that he's going to make the necessary strides to be a full time point guard this season or even next season so right now like you can still give him those duties that Tyos Jones is is in the building if he's on the bench you can still you know delegate some of that but a real point guard is one of the biggest things

that the spurs need yeah while we're on the topic of Tyus Jones I like where you're going I like where you're going, but just real quick, I think you have the wrong young team. Keep him in the Eastern Conference. Send him to Florida, specifically the Orlando Magic. And trade him for Markell Fultz, plus maybe a pick if they want or whatever. You know what I'm saying?

Real quick. They would need a pick, yeah. Yeah, real quick. We've talked about the Orlando Magic and how they struggle with space and all that. We're here. He's like a seamless fit, and he'll help uplift this team to play in.

solidified, maybe lower tier playoff team range and then ask for the Washington Wizards. They got nothing to lose and they just have another young player to just throw out the wall and see what he can do.

Marco Fultz is good and he's helped and he's revitalized his career. So W.Trad in my opinion. Yeah, I get that. Okay. I want to stay on the spurs for our next player.

I agree on Ty Jones makes total sense. He's going to get moved at some point whether it be trade deadline or next summer. They have Belal Colabee. They have Jordan Poole. He's not there long term. Yeah. I have another player I want to see B.

Antonio Spur The next player What do you talk about Is Anthony Simons Because I think Shaden Sharp is I don't want to use The word future star yet

Because we'll see But future starting Shooting Guard Of the Trailblazers I'll say that And I think Scoot Henderson Is obviously the future starting Point Guard

Because you got draft The number two overall And we all think He'll be a star level guard At some point To me That means they should Trade Anthony Simons

sooner rather than later And get this tank going And really build around the guys they know we're going to be there long term. I just think there's no space for Simons there even though he's the best of those guys

for the time being. Long term is no fit. I cannot think of a better guard that I want to see freed as a point guard next to Victor Women Yama than Anthony Simons. He's been shackled by being a shooting guard for his whole career next to Dame.

Let this man be a point guard and let him cook. He is so dynamic. I think he'd be perfect. I am in love with that fit. I remember a couple podcasts ago. Well, it was actually during the summer. I went on like a two second rant

about Portland Trillers fan crowning Shaden Sharp as the second coming of Jesus Christ I'm like fucking relax Anthony Simons is right in front of your face my bad never mind Shaden Sharp I was not familiar

with your game I deserve that you know what I gotta say we've been wrong a lot about a lot of young players we've been wrong a lot We've been wrong a lot You've been wrong to talk about There's nothing to talk about Not our finest summer

Not our finest summer predictions I'll say that But the only issue that I have with that potential trade happening has nothing to do with on the court whatsoever. It's just more so like track record based off of these organizations in the San Antonio Spurs aren't an organization to make huge trades like that at all. The last time they did that over the last 10, 15 years is Kauai Leonard. You know what I'm saying? But if they were to be in serious business, this would be the trade to do so. But if they did that, they would have to give up, you know what I'm saying, some future picks.

And I don't know if I'm comfortable with that. I don't know what young player I'm comfortable with giving up other than, I don't know. So they have, they got three first round picks in the Hawks. I think, how many do they have left that haven't been used it? Don't ask me? Why would you ask me that? You want to make me cry? It must be.

They must have at least one, maybe two feature first round picks from the Hawks left. I think they have all three, maybe. Is all three? I don't remember the years that happened, but it's been a couple years. So I assume one has been used already. either way they have a good amount of draft capital I think is worth listen does two first round picks and salary filler

get you Anthony Simons it should Yeah okay so they have 25 and Nick Hill pulled it up They use a 2023 first round pick already But they have 2025 and 2027 That have they got from the Hawks Do those two picks and salary filler

Get you Anthony Simons? It should I think if you can get two first round picks For Simons I think that's a win For the Blamey right I don't think the salary matters like they're the drill business are in such a rebuild that yeah i think that's totally fine and freeny simmons hasn't made an all-star team yet but i think we all see if it was how old is he's

like 23 or 24 i believe he was drafted really he's that young still yeah he's young he's not even 25 yet at all he might be 23 or 24 um what is 24 yeah so yeah i he's he's so fucking good he's one of the best shooters in the NBA and I've been screaming at for a minute now. I think y'all remember when I went on my little random call him like a little tier potential all-star caliber face of franchise whatever I said no you see the vision now yeah I don't I wouldn't want to do it like if we had to give up like a premier young player like I don't want to give up any their core but just like salary filler and picks like I think it makes little sense I see where You're at Isaac.

I'm on the opposite side when it comes to cooking up a trade for these two teams. I'm on. Let's move on to the Portland Trailblazers. Someone who I want to see moved oh so dearly is Malcolm Brogden. I think he's one of the obviously one of the better vets in the NBA. He already got traded twice, technically speaking, this offseason. First time he got traded to the Los Angeles Clippers. That ain't go through for health reasons or whatever.

And now he's over here whooping for. the potent trailblazers and I think that the Blazers were smart and wanted to capitalize on assets so they can then in turn give themselves more freedom for the future and flexibility of course then they would look to trade them to a team either like the

again I'm running back the same play the Orlando Magic I think he would be again another seamless fit fantastic shooter he's one of the few people in NBA history to be a part of the 50 4090 club of the Kyrie Irvings and Larry Birds and all that the defense is there he's a fucking leader he is the Barack Obama of point guards in the NBA knows how to play the game

the right way he's just the whole package that you want when it comes to a rebuilding team especially to 14 like the Orlando Magic so that's my other trade package I think Malcolm Brogden is wearing a heat jersey already ew I think it's that you yeah it's not really it's not really like an ill like like they they need a they need a point guard like how larry's cooked yeah they need guard they need guard depth like they yeah they lost two guards that are really good shooters out the dribble and that was like a defining part of why they made the run last year and listen we say they need to make a move they need to replenish that depth i don't think the all-in star move is there for them i think malcolm bragged is i would if i could

bet on malcolm brogden's future team after the deadline i would bet on the miami he he should go ahead and just start that politics career all right i it's weird he's been on three teams in three years and for somebody who everybody's like oh malcolm brockton is so good he's so great he keeps getting passed around like crazy it's ridiculous nobody nobody likes him that much nobody rocks with him that much well it's injuries because injuries yeah injuries and so like if you're the heat if you're the heat how like you already have an old point guard you already have an old four and kevin love bam and jimmy kind of miss a little bit of time i don't know

if you are in a win now mode I don't know if you can rely on Malcolm Brogden to be a like solid I guess solid is like mean to say that he can't be that but to be like a reliable piece come April May if they even get there yeah I mean he plays 67 games last year the main reason he got traded last year is because originally he was going to be the piece move for Christoph's prozengis they didn't work out physical wise so they

had to keep him and then that really relationships fucked whenever you're almost traded they had to move them again you know what I mean once again so like injuries coming up like it's that like I don't know it's listen you don't have the luxury of replenishing your depth and getting the perfect player you know like you're going to have to deal with some downside here and given the price of like a Zach Levine and the price of Brogden I think it's probably a worthwhile bet for them to do something more on them on the edges like that I think another team in the Eastern Conference who I'd like to see if we're talking about contenders who I'd like to see them make a move for Malcolm Brogden is the Philadelphia

76ers not that expensive and I think he is a great fit alongside Tyrice Max and he's someone who can help uplift Tyrese's skill set and all that and he's not going to take away too much of the progression and the insane growth that we've seen from him so I like that pick or I like that fit okay next player I want to talk about is something we mentioned briefly in relation to a conversation about another team but I think Jaden Ivy is probably going to end up being traded I think he's an odd man out in this core

and I think he's incredibly interesting in terms of being able to bounce back with the second team that he fits better with I think who was it? I saw a TikTok, it might have been YoCatio Star it was somebody was talking about like the draft is just hard like they everybody says

that you shouldn't draft for fit reasons and it's true right when you're a bad team you should pick the best players available because you don't know who's going to be the cornerstone at the end of the day you can't put all your cards and building around one guy he doesn't end up

panning out but then again they drafted three straight point guards and now you're not playing him because he doesn't fit with Kaye defensively like the coach wants so I think he ends up being traded

because they have all the pieces needed there and they need a two guard and that's just not what he is he should be a point guard I think so I think he should either be a bull in his accolavine trade

like I said earlier or I think one of these teams that doesn't have a young point guard of the future like the jazz maybe can't take George is that maybe can't think George is that maybe can't think George's a shooting guard we'll see I think one of these teams

should definitely take a swing on Jay and Ivy yeah if he's available go go ahead and get him you know I think everybody thought that like oh Ivy fall into five and the draft was like a steal for Detroit

and it's weird because you never see like the fifth pick in the draft be the steal of the draft and so obviously like a lot of people around the league are extremely high I just so okay so you have Chicago and you're the Raptors do you give up Gary Trent and a maybe something else for

Jay and Ivey done done I'll pack your bags I'll pack you no can't do that can't do that because what over Gary Trent no it's not it's not it's not over Gary Trent I'm thinking about Scotty Barnes at the end of day because he's the end goal if you do not mesh and coincide well with his game that I'm not considering you really as a option with Scottie Barnes with currently with how their team is currently constructed no they have to make moves around they're not going to have the same team for the next 10 years like they can make they make the right moves why can't jaden ivy play with scotty barns i need to see because pascal shakum is still

there yoke yaku proto still there you know what i'm saying there's too much nastiness still if they're not there and if they're committed to building around scotty barns then yes but with the state that they're in right now i do not like the thought of that another team Listen, Jay and Ivy shooting 40% from three right now. All offseason, it was talked about how his shot looks a lot better. He shouldn't have to dribble really well. 40%. Listen, it's not a huge volume because he's not playing a lot.

Maybe that's not going to be wholly reliable. But I think he's very clearly improving his three-point shooter. And listen, he's going to be at least as good of a three-point shooter as Dennis Schroeder. I can tell you that. Exactly. Exactly. Listen, we talk so consistently about how the Raptors need to blow it up, how they are mid of mid all all of this stuff

making a move like this will give them a little bit of hope and we'll start putting them on a direction to at least get into another era of raptors basketball i'm with it i like it i think as soon as you they don't have a young core they have one young player exactly how old is oj i i've like 27 or something i don't know he's getting up there he got drafted in 2016 or so let's say 26 yeah yeah yeah there's no and he can stay come on man he can fit But like I listen Maybe the rap

They like being competitive Maybe they don't want to remain that way But I think We all expect Yacan to be traded eventually And that's the route They're going to go down If that is the case I think taking a swing on young guys

Who need a second home Makes total sense for them They can be Rapids are gonna be mad Because they hate when we say Yeah They can be last shit Because they hate when we disrespect them

And pretend that they're not good Or whatever Like they need to be respected But yeah Should they even want that Like I don't know Listen, they just need to enjoy that championship that they got blessed with the 29th. Exactly.

Let it ride like you won. That's funny. Do you all have any other players left? Do you want to talk about? Okay. I want to talk about real quick, Buddy Healed. Okay. I want Buddy Heel to go to Orlando extreme so bad.

He's facing, man. I take nobody can shoot on that team. I want him. I want them to have. like a knockdown shooter I think buddy here would fit great in Orlando yeah I think okay do you have another team of mine moaks I know I think you like buddy healed so you probably thought about this uh I mean yeah I like buddy healed but I just kind of accepted that he was probably going to continue to be on this team so I didn't really

think of him as a realistic trade piece or anybody a team was really going after for but there's so many teams who would love to have a player like him you know what I'm saying It's just like but he'll just one of those asses that could be flipped any day of the week that ends with why you know what I'm saying so Yeah, I like the idea of him on the magic It would just be You kind of clear with that guard log jam They like Jalen Suggs He's been up and down, but he's been doing some good things there

Full to the one makes a little more sense if you have Buddy Hill next to him Yeah But they like Anthony Black long term So I have written down on here Magic guards I don't know which one but one of them has to be moved I think They just have a total log jam

To be honest, bro. I can tell you it's just whoever's wanted. It probably should be Jalen sucks because like you're right like he does good stuff for them but at the same time he's just like

so sporadic. I think he's like he plays basketball as if he just hit a fresh line of cocaine like he just does the most absurd things and makes the most like wow plays ever

you know. There's a lot of good stuff but also it's like bro was that really necessary? You know? so y'all know y'all know how i feel about jellison's i think he's a great player

facts bro he'll throw his body on the line any fucking night of the week bro like he will do it whatever that's bro there's on my face i kind of like jailin sucks i like this bad nature of his game

like i i think he's gonna be one of those guys that as he gets older and refines his skills I think he's going to become a very useful role player I think he's like Of that Josh Hart, Marcus Smart type gene Where they just like get shit done in very productive ways I think he can become that eventually And I don't hate the idea of that being the guy

Next to their stars, the two guard They just won, he has to shoot at least decently And they need a point guard who can really, really shoot And it's hard to imagine both those things working out for the magic For who they currently have So maybe they'll have to be the guy that gets pushed I don't know yeah they have to they have to figure it out

they have to figure it out really I think it's just going to be whichever guard people have interest in because like Cole Anthony has been their best guard this season as their six man he's been nice as fuck and they're just not starting their best guard at the moment because they're hoping this

roster configuration can work out but there's going to be interest in him if somebody I see moved and they feel like he's the hot hand that can have value there's going to be a team that comes in knocking for Cole Anthony yeah I mean and they extended him for a reason you know what I'm saying he's uh he's nice bro he's been the best guard in my opinion over the last since they started this entire new era or whatever but

100% yeah but for some reason I'm not a man I'll learn no magic fan or 100 or 110% tuned in so if you're a magic fan if you're to listen to the audio whatever let us know why exactly they aren't starting co-anthony you know but um having him and extending him is smart regards because he in my opinion holds the most value are there out of their regards because he's the best player and he's the most easily he can easily be input into any team so just right there in turn just up to uplift his value as a whole you know so yeah all right do you have any give me more players left mo I have no players left man I got went ahead and got off my Malcolm Brogden talk in Orlando magic talk and so I'm straight it ties you know what's talk I'm lit lit lit

Yeah, this. Are we at 10? I guess everybody I want to talk about. Something like that. I don't know. The title says 10. Are we live?

If we didn't hit 10. I'm a known capper when it comes to thumbnails and titles. Every time I post a thumbnail, it's about something that makes a claim that we never once said in the episode. So it's just what we do. I'm going to try not to lie.

I'm going to try not to lie here. Because I have one more name. One more name. Oh, wait. We got 10. All right. I'm capping. Oh, we're off and we got 10.

That's it. No more. No more. names you all got what you promised we did our job we did the transition hey man new era so you know what that means new tic-tok time intro oh my god you all you're not props look at the ticot eaters look at the crown eaters right now they coming out they coming out i see you it's time oh my god he has props she's doing ASMR for the Crayon eaters.

I'm going to go ahead and give this to my niece and nephew after this, bro. Y'all better hurry up and enjoy these. You get in the sound of crayon shaking, there's drooling. That's just like, that's like just music to their ears. They're just bloody rabid. They can put the subway surfers down, other full attention. We need it. That's great, man.

So as Mo just made it clear, it is TikTok time. the part you all came here for and listen as always we're going to start with the draft this time we're going to do another draft where we build around a player making lineups around a guy

wherever you want to put them in your lineup however you want to build around him up to you and that player this time is Victor Wimbunyama I am interested to see what y'all do yep

draft order me Mo Donovan real simple you pick four players to put around Victor Wemniama let's get this hook out of the way Let's draft NBA lineups Around Victor Wimb and Yama

First pick At my power forward Give me Yon to Kumba Hmm Okay Okay So that's the best room protection possible with those two

So Wemby's going at your five Yep Okay That's kind of interesting I'm just gonna go ahead And pick up the best player In the NBA Nicole Yolkich

And I thought about doing that Obviously But I wanted that crazy Rim Protection combo I can't hate I can't hate You're wrong, though, but I can't hate. Listen, I pick Yolkich every time.

We had to mix it up. Okay. I'm putting Wembe at my four. Give me AD at my five. I knew you were doing that. Yeah. Listen, I was thinking the same thing. I wanted insane room protection.

And then at my point guard, at my point guard, give me Steph Curry. That's one hell of a combination. Being three was kind of nice for this one. Oh, man. Yeah. I guess that just leaves me with Luca Donchich. I got to select that. Okay.

I'm going to get another big body defensively. Give me Jason Tatum at the three. That's good. That's good. That might be the best three, four, or five defensive combo I can imagine. And then after that, I got two positions to fill. I want to, oh, I can wait on point card because y'all have your point cards already. Yeah.

At my two, give me Devin Booker. Ooh, okay. Okay. One might say I have the best two, three, and four in the NBA. Ooh, that's kind of steep. I don't like that. Still not win in the drive. It's okay.

Go ahead. Go ahead and give me the new best shooting guard in the NBA, Anthony Edwards. You just decided? You just gave the crown? Hell yeah, bro. When he's on my team, he's the best. When he's on my team, he's the best. Oh, great.

All right. Since Mo decided, I guess he's the best. Fuck it. Okay, at my three, listen, length is going to be crazy here. Give me Kevin Durant at my three. Whoa. Crazy? Was that necessary?

I know Paul resume. Resumed. I put KD at my three. One thing about me, I love length. Oh, man. That's crazy, this is crazy. This is crazy. And then at my two.

Actually, you know what? Put Steph at my two. Just give me LeBron and my one. Okay. I'm put, I'm put Bron at the one. You got the best names on paper. I'll say that. Yeah, for sure.

You got the best name. Is it the best team actually? I don't know. Yeah, that's kind of shaky. That's kind of shaky. I don't really know about that. Who's to say? LeBron, listen.

LeBron and Steph. don't love your defense i'll say that nobody's scoring though like ad and wimby's like is right there but i figure you all right so what i'm going to do is i want to move aunt to the three and give me sGA at my two oh you sold did i don't know i thought kate i thought no no i thought kate i thought kate i thought katee was oh you did sell you should have picked kawai nah sGA better this year and i ain't lying I don't love the fit of SGA and Luca together I feel like you could do a little less ball dominance

But all right I just won the draft at my one Give me Damien Lillard You're a team not really moving me bruh I'm okay I'm okay on that I got the best two three and four in the league And then the best point guard I could get

I think the best point guard you could get The first two were gone. What do you want? I optimize every position I could. No, I'm good. I'm good. Yeah, no. Just fuck it, just no.

Luca and in Wemby and Yokic, I got the best player in the NBA, soon to be the best shooting guard in the NBA. Fucking Luca Dantzich, bro. Wait, wait, wait, I thought he was already the best shooting guard in the NBA. You just took away his title? And it don't matter. You know why? I got Mr. Skims himself. Seshay Gilgis Alexander, bro.

I can't lose. It's impossible. You have all, I want to date this guy team. That's crazy. Yo, do you want to admit something to us, Isaac, or what? You bought some skins, didn't you? I'm talking about their fans. All team or.

It's just like, every Shade Amp fan on Twitter is just like, this is my, that's my favorite because I want to date. This is all team or by far easily, bro. I want this shit. that's great most just picture eight in schemes so full team for the audio listeners

my team is my team is Damien Lillard Devin Booker Jason Tatum Janis and Victor Wembenyama yeah my team for the audio listens also

is Luca Donchich Shag Lucas Alexander Antman Wemby and Yolkich yeah okay Okay. And then, all right, my team is LeBron, Steph, K.D., Wembe, and then Anthony Davis.

All right. In 2017, we're cooking us. In 2017, we are fried. Oh, 100%. Anthony Davis back then? Demigod, glitch. There's no guarding this right here. With Bronny in 2017, too?

Oh, fuck, yeah. You would have won. Greatest team of all time. Seventy two in the first. No, I mean, 82, no, for sure. That's funny. All right, next thing we're going to do, we're going to pull out a classic T3 segment

that we haven't done a long time. We're going to play a game with 20 questions. Okay. You're ready for this? Yeah. And I got a name of mine already. I want y'all to guess. And, let me pull up his stats real quick

so I can make sure I see all the details about them. But yeah, man, we haven't done this in a long time. It used to be a staple of ours. So let's bring it back. Maybe we'll play two games of it. Maybe we'll go crazy. y'all got 20 questions to guess the NBA player i'm thinking of does this player have a signature shoe no he does not he's lame donovan does this player currently play currently he's currently

he's an active NBA player yes he's an active NBA player what the hell does that mean so he's just trying to get picked up or what he's not retired if it's Dwight Howard just say that That's what I was thinking too He's an active NBA player Okay Is this player older than 25 Yes Okay

Is this player A back court player Yes Okay Point or shooting guard Okay Has this player Appeared in the podcast

In the podcast? In a podcast. Probably. I mean, like ever? I'm sure he has. Okay. That was a very

experience, but okay. Okay. Has this player made an all-star team? No, he is not. Oh, damn.

I was going to say Jeff Teague, but never mind. Okay, he's never made. Okay. Okay. No, no,

team older than 25 Guard And he's a current And he's an active NBA player Yep, yep Keep moving Okay So

Has this player won a championship before? He has Okay This is very confusing Has this player Has this player played an NBA game This season He has

Hmm, okay He's played an NBA game this season Okay, so he's, he's on a team From what I hear Yeah, okay, cool Yeah, that's like the way Yeah, the way you answer that second question was real Really shady, I just had to

Sabotovus, I know, I know, I know I know All right, so is he in the Eastern Conference? I cannot confirm nor than I What? No, the answer is no. No, he is not. I don't like when Isaac has the name.

He'd just be on. I cannot confer word deny. What do you mean? You'll understand why. You'll understand why. Okay. No, he's currently not. Okay, cool.

Is this player, wait, it's Donovan. Real quick, is he a backcourt player? Do we already ask that question? Yes. He's a back court player. Okay, cool. He's a back court player. Do we ask the All-Star team question?

there we go yeah appreciate you you did all right oh man so he's not it not an awesome okay um was the championship that this player won it from 2015 or later yes 2015 or later modern champion okay was this player a starter on his championship team he was Donovan, I know exactly who we're a goal. I think I know who this is right now. Say it. Take us on that 12. Oh, man.

Is this Danny Green? This is Mr. Mohawk himself, Danny Green. I know it. The only 35-year-old with a Mohawk in the entire world. There we go. Listen, you were like, is he in the Eastern Conference? He was for two games before they cut his ass. I don't know now.

Now he's at the crib. I don't know. Yeah, the championship. question god me that was a good hit donovan we're here we're here that's great listen we've had a long off season from 20

questions I've stepped up my game I've been in the lab you know what I'm saying I've been working we're trying to get this under 15 questions crazy I'm playing we're gonna do playing 20 questions with AI it's working you've been shooting bots

oh my gosh that's hilarious playing my career grinding badges of 20 questions All right Next thing we're going to do Or reliable A tier list This time we're going to do a tier list

Of NBA brother duos We did this with father's son duos a while back And it was pretty funny So we're gonna we're gonna rank some brothers It's gonna be funny What does this mean So we're just ranking them off of vibes Of how good they are

How good they are Yeah How good they are Vives are of course Always important Let's not let that slide down of anything Yeah It wouldn't be a TD3 tier list

without a little bit of vibes considerations. Okay, but yeah, we'll get into this. Let's put these NBA brother duos into a tier list. First off, we got Steph and Seth Curry. S-tier. Seth Curry is also one of the greater, I don't want to say greatest three-point shooter all the time because that sounds weird,

but he is also like one of the, he's one of the best three-point shooters in the NBA, and Steph is he's Steph. What else can I say? Yeah, yeah. They got to be S-tier. They're just standard. Yeah.

Next up, we have Janus and his brother, Thanassus. Hey, these guys, as much everyone you want. Listen, I understand Janus is where he's at. Thanasis is literally the worst player in the NBA. It might be the worst player to come through the NBA in the last decade. It's a D-tier or low. D-tier?

Have you seen Thanos play basketball? Yes, I have. And I ain't going to lie. Damn it, Donovan, you may be right. He may be D-tier. Damn. I think they should be. see because they have the top pinnacle and the bottoms are right in the middle it

bounces out no no no no no no no no he has other brothers worse at basketball than yannis is good at bas it's not even close it's not close but what about the other brothers though he has alex than de coupo all right and he's kind of okay too he's in the g league and he's still better than than than nasas i've seen enough i've seen a note detere for the answer de coupbo boys Oh, my gosh. Sorry, what about? Shout out family,

Marcus Morris. Marcus Morris and Markief. Now, this is a real like C tier. They're like, this is any brother's dream. But they're twins and that's kind of cool. So like B tier. And they played on the same team, bro.

So like, and they're actually like, they both have respectable NBA careers and played important parts to a ton of like random ass NBA teams. He was one of them were bonfair. Next a couple of years. years ago Donovan averaging like 18 had an out-of-body experience it was incredible well listen there was nobody else on that team so it's it's completely funny I think

this is quintessential C tier which is both solid role players for a decade that's what you want to the C-tier duo yeah I love those brothers all right next one the Thompson twins off of vibes alone I think I have to go a oh my gosh lives alone they're the coolest duo here I think Everybody loves them Nobody has had a bad word To say about them

That is true Obviously they've played six games But like still They're on their way I think Where you go Mo They deserve to be in B tier Because the potential

It's absurd For the both of them There's a clear pathway For success on both of their teams And They're also very cool guys You know what I'm saying So I think they should be B tier

Yeah Realistically they should be like F because they play six games and I'm naming it, but I like them a lot more than I like the Marquief and Marcus twins. I'm cool with them being B just because we like them. Yeah, that's what we're about.

Yeah, vibes. Yeah, don't look for consistency here. We're just doing it off of vibes. 100%. And I don't want to see any comments about it either because they're just undeniably cool and you're going to have to deal with that. Yeah. All right, next up, the Gasol brothers. Now, this is an A tier. This might be...

Or could it be... No, actually. No, this is going to S tier. This is going to be S-Tier. This is- You know, that's the Lopez brothers. Okay, there we go. Yeah, I think it has to be S-Dier. Pows in the Hall of Fame. Gassal, maybe, listen, considering what the Hall of Fame is, Mark may be able to get there, D-P-O-Y, this is S-tier. Got to be S-Tier. Listen, if you have a Hall-of-Famer, your S-Tier, unless an assis is on your team, too. Other than that, Hall-Tenorms is on your team, too.

Ah, man, yeah. The Gassals are solidified in NBA history. Nice. All right, next up, Lanzo and Lamello. Oh, man, this is so weird, but they might have to be A-tier. The hype was generational, never seen before. And the fact that one of them lived up to it, and everyone was saying since they were younger, Lamello's going to be that guy, and he turned up being that guy faces the franchise.

You know, this might have to be an A-tier. you got an all-star and a really good role player that feels like 18 to me yeah exactly new year new me same me though I don't know what that means have you never seen that that lamello clip I don't think so

you're not in two with the culture you know what the mellow clip I have seen his really awful Puma commercial where he's gonna haircut and he's like bruh I'm literally him what we need to do we need to go back watch all those all those old episodes of Ball in the Family

that was peak Facebook TV that was great that was great stuff you didn't ever we want to put him you didn't ever make me put him at an estier because of the Facebook TV stuff on him and never seen before that stuff was iconic

prime time all right next up the Lopez brothers this is a solid B tier B tier? Yeah Yeah, I think that makes sense I mean, I don't know.

If the No, if the, if the ball brothers are A, why wouldn't the Lopez brothers also be A? Brick was an all-star as well. Because they're not that cool, and Robin Lopez has never been, the potential just never started there.

Bro, what is a good starter? Seven points on the Blazers? Was peak Robin Lopez as good as peak Lanzo ball? Peak Lanzo ball. Peak Lanzo ball exists for 25 games. Yeah, absolutely. Robin Lopez was good. I don't know, man.

Listen, you said earlier, don't look for consistency. They're at B. We are not putting the... Yeah, Robin Lopez is good, but I don't think he wants them to be an A tier. I did, wait, wait, I did forget though. Robert Lopez, he'd be out here fighting mascots all the time. He'd be talking people out. Yeah.

What? He's about that. We have to put them in a. We have to put them in A. All right. Lopez brothers are in A. This man is a professional wrestler at the same time. Professional wrestler.

All right. Next up we got Zoron and Goron Drogic. Oh, man. This is, this is F. Who's his brother? This is F. I know Zoron.

The Zoron Bhooping. Zoron. He's a demon on the court. I swear to God, I see, bro. I've seen it. That made does not play. And Goron Jodjic. is nice to but compared to the list they ain't it what do you know what do you know about

zohan dragons that we don't know what have you experienced firsthand i love how you said zoron is a demon and goron's just all right listen first and foremost the name zoron is fucking insane that is a cool ass name that's a badass name that is like level 10 that is level 10 boss name bro that that name belongs in dragon ball v so why is he f so why Why is he have? Because he's Zoron Drogic and he's never had any real motion in the NBA. But overseas, though, he was like that. Oh my gosh, hilarious.

Okay. All right. What about the Wagner brothers, Franz and Mo? C tier? I think they could be in B tier, but Frantz has it. No, I don't think that. I don't think that. Mo's not very good.

I think Mo should be in C. Yeah. But Mo's not picking up the slack Yeah, until Franz makes an all-star team or something like that Or average 20 points of game or something like that Like they may have to be in C But listen, but you if you get them in international ball Mo, Mo's balling

Oh, Mo's boops World Cup Moe is different That's true The last one See T's fine Yes, he's fine Last one Drew Holiday and Justin Holiday

you actually had to put they have another one another holiday Aaron Aaron but oh I guess we're only doing duos sorry Aaron yeah we're doing duos yeah fuck off Aaron

Justin Justin Justin and Drew where are you ranking him Drew is nice man B tier B tier I guess they got to be A

he's a champion too yeah they got to be a Drew's doing a hard carry here but he's going with to get them to A. Well, what does Aaron do? He plays in the NBA. Oh, Justin.

Justin. He's a solid 3-and-D wing that has more 3 than D, and the 3 is only there sometimes. So he's a fake shooter. Yep. I hate that, bro. Put him in F. Justin's solid.

He's a fine role player, I guess, for your bench. He's a height. He's a height. Yeah, man. This is a tier list. Any corrections we need to make? I feel solid about this Yeah, this is actually pretty good

This might be one of our best tier list Yeah, only consideration I'd have Is maybe the Thompson Twain should be S tier All right, let's relax I think it's fun Okay Okay, much Let's slow down

Alright, man, that's the tier list We can move on Nikilpoil that was a Ron Drogic stats Let's look at these stats Minus 1, minus negative point 1 win shares one point eight points per game 0.5 rebounds and 0.3 of steals Pepe Sanchez reincarnated

We found another ladies and gentlemen This one didn't make the finals Now listen Look up them Slovenia stats And I'll promise you You won't say that boy be moving different I'm just kidding

Don't really do that Most saw his 21% fugal percentage was like demon time world all right he played in the World Cup this past year 10 points 12 points 10 points 5 points 7 points

he hoops man ad block is selling us alright we can move on so next thing we're going to do I think Moe has some signature shoes to show us that we're going to rate haven't done this in a while we love to rate some drip rate these NBA signature shoes from 1 to 10 Okay, straight to the hook.

All right, let's jump right into it. First up, these are Scoot Henderson's shoes. We got the Puma Scoot Zero's. He has his own signature one? Yeah, what? Yeah, man. Okay, so when I'm past the shock of Scoot having a shoe, this is kind of hard. I kind of like that little fire decal on the side.

They're not bad. Listen, Puma needs to step up the game because these look exactly like lamella ball shoes. Yeah, I was going to say that. These are lamello knockoffs for sure. well I mean this is their brain identity for the most part it's just copy and paste they're just copying homework and changing like two two words like this is this is lazy listen the fire the fire and the S on the tongue I think it's if you're going to be in the same

vein this is a cool little individual version of it I'll go seven in a vacuum it's a six but if you think about it like in the context of Puma basketball this is really like a four damn you have high expectations personality yeah they're born i've seen i've literally seen them do this before hater i like them what's next shout out scoot they're hard ooh next up we got the curry 11s i've never liked curries like i feel like maybe it's just me

maybe i'm just not a fan of them but i think every curry is ugly as hell they've gotten a little bit better but these aren't the ones that have gotten a little bit better i can't i can't running shoes bro i can't are fantastic for high school gym teachers. These are putting up a wilt numbers in high school gym, bro, for real. But if you're actually hooping in these,

I just don't see the vision for you at all. Yeah, I just feel like I'm looking at a guy who just walked out of Whole Foods with like a smoothie bowl going to a Zumba class. Like, it just feels, this doesn't feel like a hooping shoe. Which one is? This is the Curry 11?

Yeah. They need to hurry up and make the 12. They need a little bit. This is not it Fast forward Take a leapier I'll go four I don't like them

This is a five This is okay This is just very boring You can put a sketch Stamp in this And I just think it's a hike still Ooh these are hard Next up we got the LeBron 21s

I like them What is this material It's like a new book I fuck with this These are hard as hell This feels like it would be an old school Kobe almost Like I like these I'm very confused

It looks like a carpet from the 70s Your first time I've seen is Wade I mean on a basketball shoot Yeah maybe But these I'll give this a cool seven I like these It's not bad though it's not bad It's the LeBron 20 Honestly like the 20 and the 21

Those are two of my favorite Lebrons In terms of like recent stuff I think they got kind of bad around like 17 18 when they were just trying to make you know old man they had some rough years yeah yeah they they were just trying to protect his feet now he's trying to get back to like to drippy i like this yeah i give i give it a nice new gen eight that's a great score for these thank they had some years or they were given lebron like big tortoise shell shoes so i'm glad to see their back they can making them look confident no yeah tortoise shell shoes they built shoes for

him as if he was a fucking firefighter let's be honest here you know what i'm saying you could go through you can go through hell with those shoes but with these these are damn near these remind me of like magic carpet type vibes like i can just glide and fly through anywhere and be that guy with these these are hard yeah strong seven all right next up we got the dame eights good lord oh no he should have left adidas for this this is a fire of offense what riffies at every wore in middle school and just made like a really bad version of those these are awful damn what are we doing again the strap garbage the midsole garbage the three stripes on the side hot garbage the toebox copying the OGPGs everything

about this is unoriginal or trash talk to him this is why it's not good this shoe is single-handly the reason why Damien Lillard is falling off this year bro it's ridiculous this shoe is why he's not running the pick and roll what Yonison Oh man, it's a trocious Three This is a two man Oh next up We got the Don Fives

This is Donvin Mitchell Yeah Fall off from hell Let's just say it, let's be real Yeah His had better models in the past His early ones were very cool But it's not like

Trash though It's not This feels to me if they're trying too hard to be modern. All these like ovals on the side his little pod looking things. It looks like they're trying to make a shoe from my robot.

That's accurate description. It's a little better than... It's not horrible, but it's also, man. It's a little better than like the minute I'm gonna get on my Keith Lee. This is a 5.3 out of 10. It's just all right. Not quite a hit, but it's not the worst miss either.

Mitchew for sure. All right. What's next? Next up, we got the Zion 3. These look like Martin's shoes Martian shoes if I ever seen them They for sure This is some lunatico shit for sure

Yeah Absolutely This looks like those ZO2s The first shoe that Lanzo had when they were Breaking every time you wore them Yeah they look so breakable These shoes don't feel Yeah I'm not rocking with them

Yeah just listen we've seen a lot of Kobe ripoffs Over the last five to 10 years This is another one in the long line of them Not a fan And out of people who need bulky shoes Zion is one of them They need to get him The toughest shoe that they have

Then you get him some Tims His last signature shoe Damn mirror Look like those bro He's kicked down houses With them holes But with this Look like he'd be kicking down

Isicles with them Like they just don't I don't know They don't say it right with me This color away is also not They're gonna adjust this This looks like fucking track cleats Yeah

Yo that's hard If there are track cleats These would be hard But Sally's back. Oh, I'm back. This is a two. Uh,

Oh, man back. This is a two. Uh, uh, I'm not a huge fan of the soul. What's the next? Uh,

the next up, the Tri young threes. Okay. These are hard. Top part of them. These are hard. I'm not a huge fan of the soul. I think that the soul is doing too much,

but it's not terrible. It's just not for me. No, no, no. This is not for me. It's not for me. It's not my taste. Listen, they're blatantly ripping off

Yezies. and Kanye's vibe but I don't care this is hard that like geo the geological looking soul with all the lines that is tough

bro they're tricking y'all with that they got that's tough bro I am in love with the soul you see the soul that's the shit you'd be seeing on it's hard bro

on TV when they be protected in the weather bro meteorologist of type vibes this is hard are you kidding me this is ice man ice trade this is hard this is how you make a unique

shoe that feels like it has personality doing too much. I'm going to give it a nine. I like this a lot. Yeah, this is the best shoe we've seen so far. I think this is a 10. I'm a hate. Normally, Tray Young's shoes are trash, too, so this is quite the come up. I'm a hate set seven. Not even that bad of a hating job. Well, compared to you guys. It is better, it is better than a lot of the stuff that we've seen, so that's why I had to give us up. The Tray Young twos are horrific, so this is quite the

come up. Yeah. Next. Next, up we got the Spencer Dinwiddie I did not fumble The DVDs These are called DVDs last CDs Why? I don't know Okay I can't stand Spencer Dinwiddie man

I really I really can't DVDs slash CDs That's what they're called Okay He's he's He's doing too much I gotta take a second to think about the fact That Spencer Dinwiddie has a shoe

This is news to me outside of that it's all right I guess it kind of looks like a Nike Air Max it's fine what happened to the game I love why does Spencer

Dinwiddie have the shoe why are we doing this who thinks who thinks that is moving units like this the IG3s no that is hard I love it

let me cook real quick oh yeah I give it a five it's just average it's whatever This is like a three These are made not for basketball players

But for 60 year old women Who are taking their brisk walk Every morning Yeah, let's take speedwalking shoes Like their retirement homes And they walk around the mall Like in better calls off Yeah, exactly

Just like Or on the mod Dad or I'm fucking hitting the driving range golfing They do look like some golf shoes Yeah This is you a dad Four I'll lower my score

I'll go three this is a two man keep one up at each other I give it a zero how about that do better get this off of my screen get this off of my screen

for a yak this is the last one that's funny that's great I love a good shoe TikTok we haven't done enough of those lately next thing we're going to do

though we're going to go back to basketball I'm going to show you guys some graphics of three players and we're going to do a good old fashion start bench cut let's do it let's do it

Yeah, bread and butter of basketball discourse, clickbait shit online. We've all seen the tweets that when shit like NBA Central is farming for engagement in the off season, we're no better than them. We're going to do it today. It's about time. Let's go. We're not above any type of engagement farming. That's the name of the game. It's our turn now.

So, NBA start bench cut. First off, Joel Embed, Kevin Durant, and Luca Donchich. This should be a very clear. order. Mo. Okay. Mo, I'm going to say it. And we're going to Luca.

There we go. Okay, we're starting Luca. We're benching Joelle and we're cutting Katie. Oh. That sounds so easy for you? Are y'all not with me? I'm definitely starting Luca. Yeah.

I'm starting Luca. Kevin Durant versus Embed is like not an easy choice for me. It's, I'm, I'm not benching. I'm not benching Joel and we can send the old man home We can send KD off Into you know He could go play at the basketball

YMCA he could play He could play with Chris Brickley Drop 30 there I think right now though I think I would still rather have Joel Embed over KD If my goal is to like Win the scoring title

Yeah I'd rather have Joel Embed If I'm playing for the playoffs I'm trying to build a championship team I might still pick KD over him It's not an easy choice Hmm See this is hard And I hate that I have to be the tiebreaker for this shit

But Joel and B has been fucking hooping And he might trick me for the fourth fifth straight year bro So with that be it said I have to pick Joel and beat over KD Katie gang cut, sorry Eventually y'all are going to realize he's Big Hardin And every playoffs he's gonna make you pay for For him relieving in him

I will be tricked again Yeah Big Harden been averaging 32 and 10 this regular season bro trick me once more please Listen You fool me once shame on me You fool me twice Can't get fooled again

It's not happening to me Not happening to me Quoting George Bush is hilarious By the way I love it All right Next up Anthony Simons

Tyler Hero and Jordan Pool Ooh man This is pretty easy Easier than the last one So I'm assumed Donovan Would like to start and Frini Simons All right

Jordan Pool Sorry am I mean Yeah I'm pretty sure I think the ceiling Is probably a little bit higher For Anthony Simons I'm tacking on

Athleticism for that I have to bench Tyler Hero I'm starting Tyler Hero Thank you You're starting Tyler I am She's so much more proven

Than Anthony Simons Yes Listen I get it I understand I understand Isaac, you know the reason. You know why he doesn't want to do it. And I get it.

You don't want to put the white guy ahead of the black guy. I understand. You don't want to give him the problem. But he's a hooper and I'm starting Tyler Hero. I'm benching Anthony Simons and I will let Jordan Pool off the team and he can go do whatever he wants. Yeah, listen, I've seen the picture of Tyler Hero with his braids in. I thought it was corny too. He's whack.

He's better than Anthony Simons though. It's the truth. Oh, man, no. I got to rock with Ant for this one, bro. Ant's going to end up being the better player in his NBA career. Stamped that shit. I like it we can all agree that Jordan Pool is getting cut. Yeah, no one ever said a word about him.

I'm sorry, like, it is what it is. Yeah, it's tough. Sorry, man. My bad. Those numbers are disgusting in Washington. Next up, we got De Aaron Fox, Jamal Murray, and Tyrese Halliburton. Oh, this is tough Some feelings are going to get hurt, man

But I think a non-negotiable is that Tyrese Halliborne is not getting cut He can't get cut I think he's getting started for sure Same same here I'm happy we're on the same page And I think I know where you're going

I think we might have to cut him all Murray Oh that's not where I thought you were going to go I don't know I mean listen If only one of them has a luxury You're playing next to the best player in the world I don't know if that makes him better than Deeran Fox would Jamal Murray have the ability to lead a team and to lead a team like the Sacramento Kings maybe possibly but would would Deeran Fox have the ability to rise in the

playoffs like Jamal Murray if he played next to the Coliochich I think so it depends on what you value I might listen if you put if you give Jamal Murray his own team with another all-star can he lead a team to a first round playoff exit yeah he could do that So it's like it's really hard It's really hard So like I think I might keep Jamal Just because and I'm sorry Deering You just haven't been there

Jamal you just won the ring I'm gonna bench you and Deeran I'm sorry You gotta get cut I can't hate you for that Jamal is literally proven His his NBA resume is solidified bro But he hasn't made an all-star team God bro

It's so weird but yeah I guess they're keeping Jamal Sorry de Aaron I tried for the first time I was the one trying to defend you. How's the turntables. That's all shocked. That was nice.

Next thing we got, I believe this is the last thing before we get out of here. Okay. We're going to talk about another quintessential quickbait topic. We're going to talk about NBA players and whether or not they deserve to be in the Hall of Fame when they retire. Oh, we're going to have so many just different standards. Very, very different. This is already going to make him mad. And I know the first.

first person who's going to be on this list. So let's get into it. Let's get into it. That's what you're thinking. Kyle Lowry is attired. We've all talked about it to death. Kyle Larry's not in this list. Thank you.

I appreciate you. You care about my mental health. I know somebody who works on this list. I really do appreciate you to that. I didn't even see it yet. Okay. Does this NBA player deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? First off, Jimmy Butler.

Ooh. Yeah, Jimmy Buller has never won anything of real significance in his NBA career. He's gotten in the same time, bro, going to the NBA finals twice when he wasn't expected to whatsoever, that might have to warrant you in that you're an NBA history. Five all NBA teams is a lot. Yeah. Listen, five time all defense is a lot.

A whole lot. Listen, you put that with the All-Stars and there's a whole bunch of guys in the Hall of Fame who haven't won championships. Jimmy Butler, he deserves to make it. But if he comes out there and tries to troll with his Hall of Fame bus with something stupid like this, we're picking him off immediately. Kicking him off? Hell not.

I'll be front role of this Hall of Fame speech, bro. Singing with him, whatever he wants, whatever joke that he's pulling that year, I'm going to be right there riding with him, bro. I need it. He's going to show up getting his bus with a Jeremy Lynn Mohawk. It's going to be great. All right. Next up, Andre Iguodala. No.

No. Sorry. Sorry. Can't do it. Can't do it. You should get his jersey retired by the Warriors. You do not belong in the Hall of Fame. All right. We can't do it. He'd be the only final of MVP that doesn't make it.

And that is perfectly fine. He should have won it in the first place. He stole it. Congratulations. You have held LeBron James to 35 points per game. Exactly. Exactly.

Yeah, he's great. Like you said, he should be in the Warriors Hall of Fame. He should have his jersey retired, but we should probably have a little higher standards for individual performance in this for the Hall of Fame. Never making an all-NBA team, but yet somehow finding a way to win a finals MVP is outrageous.

Yeah, I think it's a great accomplishment for him. Like to be a non-star in that stage of his career and win a final MVP is wildly impressive but I think you should take that and just like let that be the accomplishments I think he's in the Hall of Fame for top tier role players fucking ever who maximize their potential bro

and just slipped into slip into success for sure that's a very specific hall of fame we're putting in a minute yes it is and he is the face of that top tier role players who maximize their holiday that's so many words

Andre Agu Dahl the poster boy for that Next up. Next up. Demar de Rosen. No. No. What are we talking about? No.

Sorry. No, he shouldn't be in the All of Fame. Yeah, I mean, six All-Stars. I don't even know what I was to say. The most part of Demar de Rosa's career is seeing him be demoralized back in 2018 when they called Toronto Le Bronto. No one cares. He's been good for a long time. I mean, listen, it's not, it's not the hardest.

Hall of Fame to get into. Good for you. You're not a Hall of Famer. If you think, listen, the Hall of Fame, and I understand, right, the standards are more laxed. But the Hall of Fame is for the greatest players of all time. And if you think that DeMar de Rosen is one of the greatest NBA players of all time, we cannot talk basketball. I feel like it asks when I say this. But if DeMartor Rosen ever existed, never existed, the NBA would be exactly the same.

Nothing changes. I agree Martin Rosie you don't make the cut my bad yeah I love the game though

next up next up Kyrie Irving man he's gonna make it yeah he's gonna make it he's gonna make it

he's gonna make it for sure would you vote for him to make it personally I don't know well yeah if Jimmy Butler gets in Kyrie Irving has to get in yeah

three-time all NBA it's not as much as Jimmy but that's a good amount and to have a ring and to be a central part of that ring it's probably enough and to be a rookie of the year having one of the most

probably the most impressive ring of all time being rookie of the year and all that I think it goes a long way and it overlooks like all the fuckerina's career I don't think he'll get another all-o NBA team but he'll probably get to nine all-stars or so

yeah for sure I can give it that yeah and also he's people love it. He'll comfortably get in. The impact is crazy for Kyrie, bro. He's, he needs to get it. Yeah, he's off a cloud. Truly. Next up.

Blake Griffin. Also, I understand what we said about Jimmy Butler. Blake Griffin cannot make the Hall of Fame. He can't do it. Why not? He can't do it. Sorry, man. This is

he's the epitome of tricking people. people. You know? What? No, I can't do it. I can't do it. What's up with Blake Griffin Hayes? What do you mean?

First of all, he tricked people in the dunk contest. He didn't jump over a car. He jumped over the hood. It was broadcasted so much like, oh, like he was legitimately Superman. Like, bro, it's relax. You didn't do what you said. Secondly, never made a conference finals, kept getting bounced out in the second round. I think, well, listen, T-Mack never made the second round.

So that's tough Oh Listen Off of vibes alone I'm not doing it I'm not doing it If 286 all-stars Yeah

Just six all-stars with no playoff Success is probably not enough Honestly Yeah Five-time R NBA is crazy though Exactly That is crazy He's on the verge

Same rule applies When it comes to when I Like I spoke about DeMardo Rosen If Blake Griffin Never existed in NBA history The NBA would literally be The exact same I disagree with that.

I disagree with that, though. I actually do think that he means a little bit. One, the most successful period, well, I guess, yeah, I guess one of the most successful periods in Clippers history comes with Blake Griffin. I think Blake Griffin is one of the most athletic fours that we've ever seen in the game. I think that, I think that he was a part of this era where, like, Like even though that the playoff success wasn't there, people talk about like the Kauai and PG trade

kind of putting the clippers on the map. I really do want to give Lob City their credit. And I think that there's a lot of other teams and eras in NBA history that are as like beloved or remembered that are just as accomplished as the Lobcity Clippers. And I think it's like, I think it is like a low-key, like important time. That's cool. Lobcity soapbox.

That's cool. We're talking about NBA Hall of Fame. Nobody cares. This is about the Clippers. Nobody cares. No, I agree. I agree with you on that. Donovan, watch your fucking mouth.

My bad, my bad. You're talking good about the Clippers? Yeah. Good about the Clippers, Donovan? No, I didn't say anything good. I didn't say anything good. I was just saying the truth. I'm just kidding.

What they were. I agreed that Blake shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame, but I disagree that, like, he doesn't mean anything to the NBA. 20, 2018, Blake Griffin was special. So I'll leave it at that. You got Donovan doing pro-Plippers propaganda. You changed. I got,

I have to get back to my moments. I'm sorry. What does the world come to? You fucking betrayed me. Listen, come back next week. Come back next week. Because right now the clippers are 0 and two James Hardin and we have agendas to push. So I will be back.

I'll be back next week. We're giving it a week. We're giving it six, three more games. All right. Next up, Bradley Beale. Man, give us a whole. It should never be in all the thing. God.

Hell no. I'm not entertaining that. Paul George. This is hard, man. MVPPG was a real thing. He's provided us with quality memes. No, it wasn't. It literally wasn't.

It literally wasn't. He was third. He was, stop it. He barely got on to the podium. And he's like, oh, yeah, my MVP season. You didn't win the MVP. That's not your MVP season. Devin Booker finished third.

MVP voting. We don't call him MVP Devin Booker. Oh my gosh, bro. You guys are such haters. You're telling me, I think he does it. No, I think Paul George makes it. But not because he was third MVP voting one time.

That's not why. I think longevity, eight all stars is a lot, six all NBAs is a lot, legitimately one of the most talented players in the league for a decade. And let's talk about the influence as well. The influence is also heavily propping him up.

Okay, listen, just because we have... Impact, Brandon Miller has done such a harm to discourse about Paul George now he's AI because Brandon Miller loves him. Look, man, it's because he has a little swivel to his hip and he can dribble the ball really low while he's

while he's still so tall. You can't hate. Thank God. I love Paul George. He's a, I think he's in. Yeah, he'll make it. That's a shame, though. It's a shame. Hater, hater. Next up, Derek Rose. I'm crying, man. He won't make it in.

he won't make it in you have listen yes two and a half years of like Derek roseness and then the injury happens I can't I can't see him making the Hall of Fame he'd be the only MVP to not make it sucks to suck but like you couldn't do it for three full years I can't I can't subscribe to that yeah and uh Derek Rose definitely does not deserve to be a hall of famer sadly he's done nothing outside of the MVP and this fucking prime was just he didn't even hit his prime

prime prime d rose that was never that's the craziest part brod the fact he never hit his prime is crazy yeah I could see a lot of voters one to make an exception for him where he's like he's the guy that gets in without a whole he's the guy that gets in without longevity I wouldn't be shocked but he probably doesn't deserve it I wouldn't hate it his influence back then was

fucking insane he has one of the most insane fan bases to memory but you know sadly he just hasn't done enough yeah to no fault of his own all right that's the last name we got and that is the end of the episode people donovan if people were still here what should they comment comment clipers hate is on the way and comment phase two oh actually no how do i phrase this new era TD3 Yep Yeah, we'll do that Yeah, comment that

Comment new air TV 3 is about to go crazy Yeah, you'll understand Understand Clippers hate is on the way I need y'all to know I'm still me You can't put it down

On it in my core values Okay Clippers hate is on the way We love to see you man See you all later See you all