The Deep 3 Podcast - The Atlanta Hawks Will Disappoint You (Feat. KOT4Q) | The Deep 3 Ep. 5

Episode Date: October 6, 2022

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What's up everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Deep Three podcast. I'm your host, Donald Smoot. I got the homies, Isaac Gutierrez, and Mojo 99. And we got a special guest with us today. Kenny Beecham, host of the Through the Wire podcast. He's rocking out with us. We're going to go through our hot takes.

We're previewing the Southeast Division. Got a whole bunch to get to. But everybody, what's up? What's going on? How are we feeling? Feeling good, man. Appreciate the invite. I appreciate you coming on.

been popping up on the TikTok feed and a YouTube shorts feed had to get on man I appreciate you all having the guy who I see on my YouTube feed about 300 times a day across your 300 channels absolutely he's missed a worldwide I see him every sink everywhere bro even on TV at times it's crazy yeah man it's a crazy life man we're living it yeah I appreciate you taking the time about to talk to us for a little bit today I don't know if Donovan said it we're going to preview the southeast division continuing our trend of doing one a week but before we get to that we're going to do what we always do and start off with some of y'all's hot takes so as always i got a list the NBA hot takes for you guys

y'all let me know these are W takes or L takes can be your ears from the bleed with some of these our views are crazy all right i didn't get any terrible ones this week these are all decent like getting that we'll be the judge we'll be the judge Luke says that the sons will be the next playoff team to blow it all up like the jazz oh for sure that's a W take that's a W take yeah that that's for sure good Yeah, I think it's kind of easy. Are we counting the Trailblazers? Are we count on the Trailblazers of a playoff team?

No, they didn't make it last year. Okay, well, I mean, they're in the contention, though. I think they're definitely going to blow it up before the sun to do. Yeah, I'm looking at the candidates, and I mean, a lot of these scenes feel like they're ready to keep doing their thing and the way the vibes aren't in Phoenix, but then again, they have such a young core. They're not trading book. They're not trading McHale.

And the Nets also exists. That's kind of a ticking time ball always. Maybe blow up. was the wrong word, maybe retool is better. But still, for that, for the sake of this question, I'm going to give this a WD's though.

Because getting rid of your number one overall pick, it's kind of crazy. Listen, I mean, but like, it's a fair question, though. Are we sure that Aten's going to be there at the end of the season?

Like, he clearly doesn't want to be, he clearly doesn't want to be there in January. Yeah. I don't. As soon as that clock is up, he's going to request that trade.

That's what it feels like right now. Yeah. I'm not sure he's going to be there in January. January and I'm positive you don't want to be there in January. Yeah, so I would, I'm giving this a W take. Yeah, that's fair. You're not talking to a W take, W take, W take. Nice.

Our next one, Kobe says that Donovan Mitchell is a top 15 player in the NBA right now. Oh my God. That's tough, that's a L take. That's a LTAG. That's not, okay, just laughed at all that. That's not crazy to me. It is an L take, though. I mean, he's probably in the range of what, like 18 through 20 something.

So it's not, it's not. that crazy but 15 is a bit high depending on the day far off that but he's definitely not bad so it's got to be an L take depending on a day for me personally like if I'm in a good mood you know what I'm saying you could talk me into that I'll say W for now on a regular day though that's an L but who would you put him over like that's in that range moe listen this is not a good day to ask me that question right it's not a good day to ask me today's one of those days ask me tomorrow maybe 14th and 15 the best players are probably like Devin booker and jimmy butler somewhere in those tears and they're probably a little bit better than donovan yeah that's fair

next one watermelon says that shack is the second best big man of all time which basically means are you putting him above wiltz bill russell and tim duncan that's an l take for me okay that's an l take for me because i have kareem in terms of like my big man ratings i would have kareem one and hakeem two and then we get into like over to duncan oh are we kind of well he's he's a powerful i thought we were just talking about centers that man is 611 he's a big man stop no no but it's different okay well we're counting to duncan as a big man for this conversation okay then if we're counting tim dunkin l take then yeah tim duncan's better than shack in my opinion i have tim duncan fourth all time so like there's not a lot of people that are that are better than

tim duncan in my opinion yeah i'm gonna go l take because i also have tim duncan above him but i'm not mad at that at all they're both super close in my opinion yeah simple L not crazy at all though simple L gentlemen's L respectable right Rylan says that James Harden is going to make an all NBA team next year L take this man is washed you said that way too fast oh my goodness all NBA all NBA every time I say the name James Hardin I just see the hate in Donovan's eyes he just lights up as the opportunity to let us know how just terrible the fat's lobby is No, but, like, he's not going to be, he's not going to be one of the six best guards in basketball next year. Like, that's, that's a thing you have to be, come on.

Yeah, I don't think you have to be actually one of the top six. You just have to be really good on a really good team. Yeah. And I think Philly's going to be, like, the one-two seed out east. And he's going to average 23 and 9 and 6, and that's going to be good enough to make an all-N-V-8 team. I'm saying W-take. Me too, W-take, because he's probably going to make 13, but I don't see you first or second team. Yeah, exactly.

I'm going to go outside with you when, Isaac and Kevitt. Kenny, it's a W-T. Donovan, get that heart. Get that hate out of your heart, please. Please, let's clip this. We'll come back in a couple months. I promise you, he's not making 13. Gladly.

He's going to come out looking like James Ennis again. You're going to be laughing at us? James Ennis. Oh, hell not. All right. Last one. Cannon fodder is that Jason Tatum is going to win an MVP in the next three years. Now, I get this one's probably a lot of,

you probably have impulse to say yes, but I'm going to go outtake. I feel like he's permanently going to be that guy that's like in third or fourth in voting, but never going to be better than Janice, Yokic, Embed, all these other guys. This is tough. It's tough, though. I think the argument pro would be that the self-ext is going to be so good that any given year he has a chance. But I just don't feel like he's on that level of those other guys. I would, I'll, I'll give it in, actually, no.

I think I might give it a W-take just because when you, if you, we're talking about like the next three years, Even if, like, we're talking about Janus, I think Janus is live for the MVP this year. Does voter fatigue step in? I know, like, the MVP, there's sometimes where guys start to get pushed up towards the top of the list as their careers go on. And if Tatum continues on this trajectory, I think there's a very real path for him to be, like, in any given season to be one of, like, the top, you know, five, five, top three players in the world. I think you guys putting too much talking to this. I'm just going to simply give this a W because Tatum's elite, Tatum's elite, top 10 player, and his team is good as far.

W. Tate. Yeah, I think the combination of what you two are saying. I think voters for take is going to be really real with those top echelon guys. And Jason Tatum is probably next in the pipeline with his team being extremely good. Yeah, I can definitely see the narrative that's like, it's time for Jason Tadam to get his MVP. He's owed one or whatever. But Lucas owed one if we're doing that, Trey Young. Like, I just feel like they're going to be in that conversation before him

just because, you know, they put a better gaudy numbers. Good. That's a whole lot of time. Again, the team success is a big aspect of it. Like, and listen, I'm not trying to, like, you know, hate on Mo. I don't know if the Hawks are going to be at the Celtics level in the next three years. I'm not trying to hate on Mo. Yeah, right.

But, yeah, so I think team success will play a big part. Nice, nice. Okay, can't argue with that. But that's a good segue because that's all the hot takes. got so we can get into this division preview and let's not even waste any time let's start with the hawks mohamma's favorite team well-known trey young super fan let's just get into it listen i i just need to hear what can you can't speak yo is what do you think about the hawks where do you think they don't be at this up-and-coming seat do you think does auntie can mesh i need to hear it all i i do

believe that great players find a way to mesh but it's like to what level you know what i'm saying they're definitely 100% a play um um yeah i don't know 100% The Easter conference is so elite, right? The Eastern Conference is so elite that, like, when you start to lay out the teams that are the better than them, I think there's at least five teams that, like, I can confidently say we'll probably finish. I can confidently probably say, are going to finish better. So I like the trade originally. Yeah. I like it a little bit less now.

Yeah. But I also haven't seen it either, you know? I feel like, so initially the reception was, like, incredibly positive. It's like, whoa, they added an all-star point guard. they're going to be great. They went from this mediocre playing team. Now they have to be a playoff team simply by the addition of talent. But I feel like it's not that simple.

Like you said, you believe great players make it work. But the fact that we have questions about if they can make it work just makes me not so sure that they're going to be this upper echelon team that their fans like Mohammed think. Yeah. So I don't know. I have questions. I feel like the only time, people only question this trade because of what happened

like after this trade. You know what I'm saying? Like when the Donovan Mitchell's the world got. traded. Rudy O'Barre got traded, things like that. Now you're looking at the Hawks like, damn, they really gave up that much for Desonte Murray and he's not on any of those dudes level. You know what I'm saying? And so like

now, like I have... That's not why I question it. You said... Not my worry. I worry is that they have a point... They traded for a point guard who needs a ball in his hands, and he's worse with the ball in his hands than their current point guard. It's like that kind of boils down to that. Yeah, I definitely see that

and I agree with that to a certain extent, but great. Like, can you say great players figure it out and they make it work my only real question about the hogs is like how good is deandre hunter going to be dog and also here's the plan all right so if everything goes right in my head i could be cracked out right now and i could be tripping but if on yake o kongu i have so much stock in that man if his jump shot can be real send send click capella to somewhere else bro send him somewhere else and let's go ahead and get a stronger three or something like that Not that crazy, not that crazy.

But if Akonwu, the young guys, Akon, DeAndi Hunter, and Jalen Johnson, haven't heard that name of forever, bro. But if he can make a real impact, those three guys can make a real impact and, like, the actual, you know, like a real supporting cast alongside Dejante and Tray. We already know what those guys are going to do. It's those guys. Those three are the X factors for me. And I think if they'll do good, then we'll be like top four or five seed in the east easily. the question i have about that is what if clinkapela is back to his year before last form and he's like too good to just not play do you think there's a world where unyeka

can play next to clint at that point do you trade john collins like it was so rumored for a long time like that logjam can go a lot of different ways that's interesting that's super interesting if it depends on how real a conu shot is and how consistent it will be i'm gonna assume it's not real until we see i don't think he's gonna go from not shooting threes at all to here being a fucking sharpshooter yeah exactly i think i think you don't you don't draft the sixth overall pick just to keep him on a bench that's like a huge no-no you know i'm talking too much so i got to hear what donovan kenny got to say i mean you listen kenny almost went there but he didn't go all the way but i'm going to go all the way i don't think that the harts make

the playoffs this year i don't i don't think we have a hundred dollar bet on this right now right now there are seven teams that i think that are better than the hawks and that's going to put them you name them i want to hear yeah so i would take miami boston Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Toronto, Brooklyn, and Cleveland over Atlanta. Toronto is crazy to me. I think the Cleveland, Atlanta one is a real conversation. And that is a conversation? That's fair.

I don't think that the Cleveland one is like a stretch, but I think that with all the defense that they have with Mowgli and Allen, and then now you're adding a 25 a game score in Donovan Mitchell. And then Garland is still there to run the show. Like, you have a lot of pieces there. So I think talent-wise, I like the talent in their starting five more than I like the talent in Atlanta's. And so if you want to take Atlanta, that's 100% cool.

I'm not going to, like, you know, argue to the death with you about that. But I personally think that Cleveland is going to be better. So now that puts Atlanta in the playing tournament. And so they're going to have to win. If they're the 8th seed, right, let's say they don't get the 7th seed. Now they're in a one game playing for the playoffs. You know what I'm saying? like there's a lot of things that can happen when you're in that scenario so I and I don't have a lot

of faith in in Atlanta and Mo you just talked about everything that you you know wanted to see from the Hawks you said if one guy two guys if three guys can turn up and if Dejante Murray and Trey young can mesh and so now we have we have questions about three players that are supposed to be really really like impactful role players and the main dynamic of the team between the back court is a huge question so all that the same Say, what are y'all, what are your official predictions for what seating they're going to finish in? I've, I've already been cleared. They're probably, they will probably end up in the eighth seed and miss the playoffs from there.

This dude is bonkers. I don't know why he says something like that because we've given, you mentioned the plan like we just went, ain't been in the plan and we just, we destroyed two teams. I forgot out what those teams are. I think one of them were the horned or something like that. I'm not, I'm not saying, I'm not saying, stuff can, listen, stuff can happen. And when you get into one game scenarios, anything can happen. And unless you're playing the Charlotte Hornets who just give up 170 points a game, right?

Like, things are going to be challenging. And I'm not comfortable just, you know, panning them in to make the playoffs from that situation. I'm in the Eastern Conference and I got one of the best players in the Eastern Conference. I would say seven times out of 10, he's probably going to be the best player on the court. And I'm going to do, I'm going to abide by that. and I'm going to say that, yo, train young, all these boys are going to leave me to, it'll be a phenomenal season if we were a fourth seed.

So I'm going to say four C. Five C won't be mad at it. Four Cid is so ambitious. There's no fucking way. I'm an ambitious man. What can I say, Isaac? So, Mo, if they end up in the play end, would you think that it was a wildly unsuccessful season?

Oh, absolutely. As a fan? Yeah, absolutely. There's no reason, no real excuse. The only way we're in playing team is if we have a cataclysmic injury. to someone like Trey, which is understandable. Only way. I got some bad newsre.

There's some other ways. Do you think that the Atlanta Hawks have a better roster than the Toronto Raptors? Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think it's an RV. I mean, I guess that's fine.

Talent-wise, I get it. Fit-wise, probably not. But I can see that. Do you think they have a better roster in the Cavs? No. I'm going to be honest, no. Jared Allen, Evan Mobley, Donovan.

I know. I know. Kenny mentioned. that was one of the ones he was a toss-up with, but I think the Cavs are closer to being contention for those top three or four teams than they are with being in any conversation with Atlanta. I can respect that.

I mean, I guess we're really riding on the Evan Mobley leap, which I think is a real possibility, and I'm watching them play on TV right now, and they look fucking great. The back court are just sharing the ball, and I think, you know, they both have double-digit points in the first half. Like, it looks good, so maybe I was bugging by saying that.

I think what comes down to for me is, very rare that you see defensive front court as dynamic as Evan Mowgli and Jared Allen when it comes to having a room protector like that and a muggle big writing oh my god but it's also but it's also very rare to have a dynamic back court like Garland and Donovan Mitchell or that complimentary having both together at the same time is fucking ridiculous like I don't even know what that ceiling could be having both if they're clicking at the same time yeah I don't know when I when I look at the Atlanta Hawks it's not really about what's on the roster or what's missing it's just about

the teams around them. Yeah, pretty much. You know what I'm saying? Like, the roster looks fire. Like, if this same roster was put together last year, I would be like, yeah, 100% they were Forsy. But every other team just got better other than the Chicago Bulls that were, like, fighting for a playoff spot.

So it's a lot harder to just say. I mean, the good thing is that Tray Young is a walking top five offense. So that's a thing. Maybe a little bit worse now just because they have to figure out the Dejante Murray thing, but we know that the offense is going to be good. Do we think that Dejante Murray's addition propels them defensively as much as it could? I don't know. I absolutely do not. I think that's like the main thing. I'm glad you brought that. That's why I'm not so high on them. People think that, oh, they got this

amazing defensive guard. Their defense is going to be better. But their issues on defense weren't because of the guard play necessarily. Their issue is with a rim defense. Yeah, they're the 21st rim defense. And Dejante is great. He's going to be very valuable, especially now that you can focus more on defense. But he's not going to be out of here, swatting everything at the rim, deterring people helping get the nail. It's just not his role. Yeah. And I guess if you think Anya is going to make that big jump or Capella is going to be not washed this year. it's possible but that's a lot of things you're banking on have nothing to do with Dejante

it's like the questions they had before is still there so maybe the additions that he brings outweigh those but I don't know it's just a lot of ifs with with Atlanta right now and like I think I think the only thing that sure is that Trey Young is there and like

Kenny said he is the top five you know offense but that hasn't just Trey alone hasn't gotten them to where they wanted to go in the past well actually not I'll take that back because they did make an Eastern conference finals so I'll take I'll take that back but

in the season since it hasn't looked as well so that's what I'm saying like we can't really guarantee anything with Atlanta just because Trey's there yeah I think that's about all we have to say about this team we have four other teams to talk about that are far less interesting so I'm glad we

does John Collins make it through the season on the Atlanta Hawks oh yeah probably probably probably I feel like we're perpetually going to be in the cycle of will they get traded? They're shopping around and they did never do it. I hate how much he's in. He's thrown in the, I just hate how much he's throwing in those conversations.

It's annoying. Remember how positive they were that he was going to be a king in the off season? Yeah. They're just always wrong. And like I never, I never ever believe none of those talks up until like this off season. And that was when like the Jonté Murray, I think he quoted someone about like John Collins being thrown in the trade.

with him or for him or something like that I was like oh shit shit we just go down but never happened so I think he I think it's awesome until like the Hawks have like a real disappointing season and John Collins is like the forefront of that like he didn't perform or just a complete liability on defense you know then I think he's not going to be moved unless one of those things happen why do you think they're apparently in such a rush to trade him like why are they so tempted to get him out of there a lot of Hawks fans are in the rush to go ahead and get rid of him because he can't dribble and like you know what I'm saying playmate or anything like

that and also he's not like he's not the ideal defender you want you want next to someone like Trey Young that's why he's much improved I feel like he's is the ideal offensive player he wants to Trey Young though someone who can pop

who can roll he can't dribble but I mean he can do a little bit with the ball in his hand he's not like he's just like fucking a statue he's not Chris Ospor Zingis out there like exactly I feel like it's and his defense isn't as bad as he used to be yeah most yeah most definitely he played really he played elite level defense um back when we made that run to the eastern conference finals and things like that but i feel like people are just expecting it was great people are expecting a little bit too much out of him and john collins is like we have to be honest certain players have ceilings on them and there's that's perfectly fine there's nothing wrong with that and john collins has hit that and he just needs to maintain it at a good enough level for it to keep him in a long one and uh yeah man just be hawks fans are just they They don't know what they want.

They ask for too much if you're doing the boss. Kenny, you brought it up. You asked a question. Well, do you think they should trade John Collins? If you were the G. I don't think you're going to get anything in a John Collins trade that will be worth trading him. Especially for a team that just traded with three first round picks to be better now. Like, if you're trading John Collins, it's like for future assets more than the now.

Maybe it's replenish that. Yeah. So it's like, I don't think it makes a lot of sense. Okay. Well, let's say there's a world where they decide. they want to trade him because the team's not working out at the deadline where would they even want to upgrade with that potential asset i don't know a three put hunter at the four like i don't do they want to if i guess if that's the issue the issue's probably spacing maybe maybe they want

a three and d guy but who would be that guy that's not even that's just so weird that yeah that's the market's not there and also i don't even think that's a real issue because he's like he's a great shooter so yeah well he's he's a good shooter but isn't necessarily like a major floor spacer you know there's like a difference there like his maybe he has a similar three-point percentage to i don't know a word to say somebody like joe harris that's not as good as joe harris yeah for sure but the way that joe harris plays he spaces the floor more and it's more of a threat maybe they folk they need that with kevin herder gone i could understand that i could see a world in that most definitely but that's just still not good enough of a reason to go ahead and get rid of

like he needs to shit the bed he needs to be that bad for us to like to be seriously Apparently, he's on the edge. They're always thinking about getting him out of there, so they have a reason, I guess. I'm more concerned about Ineca Congo getting buried as a backup long term. So maybe that's the reason that trade John Collins. Maybe to just free on Yucca. It's less is more type shit.

Yeah. Jay Crowder's out there, man. Yeah, apparently. I don't know. I don't know if they're going to be the ones to bite. Who do y'all? Just go on a tangent. Who do you think he's going to trade for Jay Crowder?

Or I should say, who do you want to trade for Jay Crowder? It's impossible, man. Like, you know, my day job is playing 2K. And I do a lot of fictional trades in 2K. And it's like, I'm looking around the league that their job is playing. I'm just looking around the league just for salary purposes. Because if there's one thing 2K got is matching salaries and stuff. And it's just hard to find a situation that Jay Crowdo will be excited about,

which is like a starting spot because that's why he's mad in the first place. but also a team that has the assets to match the salary that the salary are like, okay, we're good enough to make that trade. It's almost impossible. What's his salary right now? It's like nine something. Yeah, it's such a weird number. Like, I know people in NBA media always talk about this, but like it's so hard to have

these medium contracts since every team now is built around stars and cheap young guys. Yeah. It's tough. Yeah. Like the only teams off the top of my head that I'm like, there's no perfect fit or like easy go. What does Gallaudari make? I don't know. I think he's on a on a that minimum

Is he But even with that They couldn't trade him for a couple months right Because he just inked the deal like Oh that's right I was thinking they trade for him Yeah you're right Yeah

The only team I'm like Yeah I don't know It's tough Bro would he want to be a OKC thunder or something like that He just want to hoop This is what's saying like I can't imagine he'd be excited about that Galanari signed a

A 215 So if he's available They could move him Once December 15th comes around I think I said date. But what Joe Carter be available by then? I know it's probably moved before then, I would assume. What I saw from the Sons, they need to move him ASAP to get some benched at because they look terrible.

I know the popular pick is sending back to the Grizzlies. That's like a real thing people always say. I don't know who they would trade in that. The Grizzlies' depth is basically just all rookies at this point. It's not like they have matching salaries anymore either. They traded away. They're matching salaries for one of those rookies. So I don't know.

Yeah. Well, we're going on tangent. Let's move on to the next team in this division. Let's talk about the Hornets. It's true. Obviously are interesting because they lost Miles Bridges, which you don't got to get super far into, but they're not going to happen for this season

or probably maybe not for the rest of his career. Who knows? But regardless now, they have this big hole in their lineup that they have to fill, especially scoring-wise. What do you think is going to be the answer to that for them? Victor Wenbagnana. There's no answer. There's no answer.

I mean 13. and 69. Yeah. It's, it's, it's obviously hard to replace, like, 20 points a game, but, listen, I think the jump that we saw from Lamello last year as a score, that's going to be, if he can take another leap from, you know, if he can take another leap scoring the ball, I think that's, that's going to be huge. They're kind of going to be able to free up Terry Rozier a little bit more, and Terry's

going to be able to go back and kind of, you know, be a bucket getter. We'll see if Gordon Hayward can stay alive this season. I don't have a lot of faith in him to stay healthy for, 482 games, maybe for even 70 games. But those three are the ones where I'm like, okay, this 20 points, you guys are the ones that are going to have to pick this up. You know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I guess, like you said, it's going to have to be a big lamello leap, I suppose, if they have any hope of getting back into the playing range, which do any, okay, first of all, do any of you think they're going to be in the playing range this year? No, there's too much talent.

Yeah, well, I don't think they have a chance at all. so you think they're going to bottom out are they going to try to tank for a year I think that's what they should that's what they should they don't have enough talent right now they're like four deep at the most at this moment I think they can do it

I think Charlie can make the play in right like if you the only other two teams that are outside of the playing that I actually have hope for this year would be New York and it would be Washington and listen with the

both teams are probably better than Charlotte right I think New York is better than Charlotte. I think by far. At the minimum. Yeah. Washington, but for sure.

What a mid off? Yeah. Holy mid. It's the definition of it. But if we like, I guess the the Hornets question really comes down to

how high are we on Lamello? Is Lamello going to be like that guy? Is he going to be an all-star not by replacement this year? Is he going to really take that leap and because i think if he does then charlotte actually has like they they have something to work with and so so you're saying is he going to get to the point where he's so good that he can

propel his team up into at least being mediocre like other all-stars of that ill car yeah i guess i mean he's going to be an all-star like you like you asked for sure because his numbers are going to be insane with that much usage but i don't know if he's actually going to be that level of impact as other guys are my my i mean this is i what i would have a lot of good players Yeah, it really comes out of that What I would want to see from Lamello though I want to see him get better at You know creating contact and getting to

The free throw line and finishing at the room He hasn't he's been in like under the 55th percentile In his first two seasons Finishing at the room among guards And he doesn't he doesn't get to the free throw line much He takes about I would I don't have the numbers off top But I think somewhere around like two two point one Somewhere somewhere somewhere like that

it's crazy if he can if he can get that up to up to four right maybe like let's let's draw one more foul game and get to the line and get two more shots there that's that's a really big area of emphasis that I think that he should be working on and because then you can start going from 17 you know 17 18 start getting into those 20s and be a legit number one score I don't know if that's ever going to be a non I think there's a new weakness for him like forever like he's same thing with Lonzo it neither one of them can fan to the room it's the ball thing that none of them get to the basket. What do you think that is?

And they have the opportunity to, just never do it. Why do you think that is? Like, clearly, like, if they're both like that, like, I wonder if it's just, like, the way they played growing up, like, who knows? It's crazy. It's weird as hell. It is weird, but it's also not. Because, like, a lot of times you see siblings that play in the NBA, does it have, like,

similar games, even in the NFL, like, Joey and Nick both are the same player. So, like, it's just funny how that works out there. That is true. That is true. That is true. But my thing with the forence is that is just, like, there is no point to carrying on whatever the hell they got going on they just they should just straight up tank like what's the point you have nothing you have nothing but good vibes going on and you know what i'm saying the only vibes that are that gravitate towards fans in my mind is guys like lamello and then terro's year and then the old dude who whatever you know his name and like there's just no point to anything just tank you you have you have a better chance at reviving your team in that city and you getting that sitting excited for basketball because right now in my mind the hornets are in like

a very very dangerous zone of like these rumors of young stars wanting out hell of early is going to happen to the middle of like this season next season if they don't like have any clear direction and that's like that's the sad truth the harsh reality for the for the for the solid hornets for so it's like it's a small market thing right like the small markets feel like they need to go out there and make signing. So we go and get Gordon Hayward, Terry Rozier, and all of these dudes. And then it's cool enough for you to win 33 games. But it's like in order for a small market team to really do what they have to do,

they have to draft well, and they haven't done that other than the Lamello pick. And this is the year where you want to have a top pick because the way people are talking, as long as you have a top seven pick this year, you're golden. You got to stand, you got to get no sweepstakes, man. If you get a top two pick, you have a hallfamer. Exactly. So the Hornets have just spent, so the Hornets have had Lamello for two years, kind of revived themselves after we all thought that they were going to be

absolutely irrelevant after getting rid of Kemba. They make it to play in back-to-back years. And now we're going to tear it all down and start from scratch with Lamello on the roster. Is that what you guys want to do? Because they don't have anything other than Lamello to build around. James Bucknight couldn't get PT and hopefully Steve Clifford gives him some run. Mark Williams hasn't played in preseason. J.T. Thor looks cool, I guess.

It's just like they have a bunch of nothing draft picks at this moment. It's just like this is the only way. I think if you sat Lamello down and talked to him like, hey, we're not bringing nobody through that door other than through the draft. We have to be asked this season. Put him on the tape of Victor Wabinyama. He'll be like, we're good. We'll be fine.

He's going to say less. I'm going to go ahead. Because him making the play in the point differential is like negative 40. Like that's not doing anything for them. If y'all sit Lamello down and tell him like, hey, we're going to be trash this year, he will say okay that's fine and then he's going to he's going to call a big baller and they're going to get some stories and he's going to be out of there like they well likely they don't really have to tell him anything the roster's going to be ass what they don't tell them as is

that's the funny part we're all talking about they need to tank and they need to just just give up but the reality is even if they try they're going to be tanking because they're going to be fucking horrible like it really doesn't matter what they do they're like not our answers to keep saying that oh nothing they can do well this Probably nothing else to talk about them because there's just no hope for them, really. This would be a good talk, potentially, Isaac. Out of every single team in the NBA right now, who needs Victor Wombayana the most? Who needs him the most?

The jazz would need him the most. Dude, why would you put the jazz in this conversation? I'm being honest. That is the last team I want to see. Yes. Why would you want to see a plan in front of women? I don't want him there either. I don't want him there either, but they need him the most for sure.

No, they don't. He's right. He's strictly based off me. You're right. You can say the Spurs, but I have faith the Spurs will execute a proper rebuild and eventually get to the point they need to be at regardless. I don't know if I have faith of that for the Jazz, so they probably need to get blessed. Yeah.

And honestly, I'm being real. I think the Charlotte Hornets are next on that list. Like the other teams that are tanking slash bad teams, they have a bright future with like a previous pickers or group of picks. I don't see nothing other than Lamello ball when I look at the Hornets. And these other teams got a couple different. Now, maybe they don't have the ceiling that Lamello has, but it's still very, very dim

over there in Charlotte. Yeah, for sure. I got the, I got the Hornets easily, bro. I can see, and I understand the vision for the Utah Jazz, but for the sake of basketball fans

in their happiness, we're sending that boy over there to the Hornets next year, if you ask me. Well, since we're on the topic of Victor, it's going on this tangent a little bit. If you could put them on any team you wanted, who would it be?

The Chicago Bulls. Okay. Well, if we're talking realistically Among tanking teams, then who? Amongst the Amongst the tanking teams Where he could realistically go to I'm going to put him on the Rockets

You put him next to Jalen Green and Jabari Smith That's going to be fucking beautiful What position? What position would you play over there? Center, what do you mean? Star He's going to be a star anywhere he goes It'll be fine.

You'll find a way. I don't I don't I guess okay see I would say okay see just because I think just like preemptively paused but like the length on Chet and Victor's to get it is ridiculous like that that would that would just be crazy so I would say I would say the thunder with Shea yeah a team that I think deserves it the most because car coming from wrong but they never had a number one overall pick in their entire existence

the Indiana Pacers him and after Tyree makes of Benedict Matherin, bro. I want to see it happen. I need it. I need it. I actually really do like that pick. And the fans are crazy over there. I went to a few games last season,

and even though they were asked, they were, like, going crazy for the most random O'Shea Bresset step back in those jump shots. It was real. So that's a very good team. The only reason I know who O'Shea Berset is is from Fantasy basketball picking him up

in the last week of the season because he's getting all the garbage time run. Yeah. Yeah. Fantasies like that, for sure. Those are the candidates. Those are the candidates. I think that the Orlando Magic luck should run out.

They've had the first overall pick too damn much. But I would like to see School Henderson over there with Orlando Magic. I'm being honest. That would be hard. That would be perfect. Ooh, that would be nice. That would be nice. That's just like the perfect bad Twitter team you can imagine.

That would be amazing. I'd be watching them boys every night. I won't skip a beat. It'd be funny because you'd have school. you'd have palo they're out there doing their thing and then you just have Cole Anthony stealing all the thunders shooting cup pull up threes and missing them you'd go full uh Dylan Brooks

and like it's my time now yeah that's who the shit they should the Grizzan need to trade Dylan Brooks or Jay Crowder I don't know why didn't think about that oh that's actually a good idea I like that I don't know how Dylan Brooks would feel about coming off the bench you know what we don't

we don't care what Dylan Brooks would care about I don't know what Jawa feel about that because you know them they're boys are they i don't think i knew that so yeah i don't know bring jay back he did hit a game winner for them before they traded his ass away so yeah yeah it probably would never actually happen but i just feel like dylan brooks needs to be out of there but i guess him and job being best friends complicates it but that that would definitely be a less is more situation yeah so but we can move on to another interesting team since we spent that time talking about the least interesting team we could imagine yeah let's talk about the miami heat

obviously the big story with mamie he is one jimmy butler has a weave two they have no more p j tucker which one you all want to talk about first the weave i need i need to get oh my god i need to get this on listen you cannot you men man weaves are despicable they are despicable and i can't stand when i see we'll get to jimmy in a minute i can't stand when i see older when i see older black dudes, right? Like, what Karam Butler did, you cannot have, you cannot be bald on Friday and have a three and a fade on Monday. It does not work like that.

I see you and that's nasty work. As for Jimmy, listen, you weave extensions like that. Come on, man. Come on, man. It's so funny because I was not serious, but here we are. Oh, no. Listen, I'm passionate about, about anti, about being anti-man weave. We can't be out here.

What's next? We're losing recipes, Isaac. We're losing recipes out here. The good thing is that he cut it last night, so we don't have to worry about him actually playing with it. Even though I was very interested to see him playing with it. That's like an extra three pounds of weight, let's be honest. Like they were long and they were, they were Paul's thick. You know what I already knew it was going to be bad.

But no PJ Tucker, though, I think is really going to hinder this long term. Like, I still think they're going to be a really good regular season team. because it's the Miami Heat, and they have the infrastructure to be, you know, very, very good regular season-wise. When it comes to the postseason, unless they do something like at the deadline to get some more depth over there, I just don't feel great about them. I think something. I've gone flamed in TikTok comments for saying that they're, I said that they're obviously a contender

because they can make the conference finals and so-and-so, but I see a 0% chance to actually win the finals. And people hate that, but I already didn't have faith in them last year because their half-core creation isn't great. They don't get to the rim. All their ball handlers shoot mid-range pull-ups every time they drive. And now they don't have that key defensive piece of the four I don't even know what the answer is

Who are they going to start there? The man that they gave a humongous bag To Mr. 32 million a year What's his name? Tyler Hero That's that like what do they expect out of him this year? Is he going to start? I think he's going to be a start of this year right?

You slides him into the four? I guess Probably like probably you might you might have to start him Just because like you don't want $32 million dollars put off the bench Exactly. As the money grows, your role should grow as well, and those things should, like, be congruent to each other. So I think expectations are going to change, and now he's going to be given, like, somewhat of not the keys necessarily, but he's going to be given more roles and responsibilities, along with, I think, Bamadabaya, of course, he took a three last, the last time they played, which is pretty cool to see. But I think those two for me, like, what are they going to do?

What is Tyler Harris? Three months until he takes another one. Yeah, exactly. that's my biggest thing so okay to be more civic I'm clear to be clear I don't think they're a contender what percentage chance

do you think they have of winning the championship because I think we'll agree there'll be a top seed in the regular season but that's not what matters for them 15 is that disrespectful

no I think it's zero I think that's kind of high wow I thought I was being disrespectful I mean a lot a lot of their fans are like oh people's back in shape we're good it's like that's not that's not getting you over the hump

i'm sorry it's not getting you over the hump especially with those other teams out there if i put it in percentages i'm saying like seven percent that's that's the exact number i which all that means is you think zero but you're not brave enough to say it that's all that yeah just say with the chance you don't think they can win just zero no no i actually but like i actually think that like if stuff breaks well the main thing for me with with miami is what version of Kyle Lowry they're going to get. Like, obviously, Laudrie was out of shape last year.

He went through a whole bunch of injuries. He left the team for a while. He had some personal stuff going on. If he can come back and if he's the, if he's the Kyle Lavery that they thought they were getting from Toronto, the one that was shooting close to 40%, over 40% from three, like that's a really big difference.

Because you saw it as soon as he came into that series against the Celtics, the entire dynamic of the offense changed, He was able to push the pace. Their entire creation was much, much better. Jimmy didn't have to do as much. So if Kyle can get back to like a stable, you know, I guess state of playing, like that's the key for them. Yeah.

That's a fair point. That's going to be the big offseason addition for them as if they can get a real Kyle Lowry. Yeah, that's a fair point. I'm being very pessimistic about them, but I think we all like take it for granted the fact that Kyle Lowry was not his normal. place last year but it really wasn't his fault like you're saying he was hurt and i give a lot of credit to james hardin saying give him a chance to get healthy he'll come back and look more like himself we should probably give that same grace to cow Lowry and like you said if they do have prime Kyle Lowry or even subpass prime Kyle Lowry that was still great we're talking about different team

bro let me call Larry was injured um Tyler Hero was injured and they still ended up in game seven with the boss of Celtics so it's not like it's completely completely terrible over there obviously but it's still a lot to be desired when I look at their roster up and down Yeah, we have these conversations like, okay, cool, you know, I respect you, right, but like, let's be fucking for real. Like, you're begging on a 36-year-old Kyle Lyra to go in and take him over the hump, over the, over the, over, uh. Yeah, I'm saying he's like James Harden, but he's significantly older, so that is a factor to consider. So it's like, we're saying this, but like, it has to be absolute best case scenario and every single thing has to like, every domino has to fall every single one. I feel like the heat or that team

that everyone just feels the need to be polite to and give respect because they work so hard but like we don't really believe in them but it's like they deserve the recognition. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like it's one of those things. I mean but they do like it's a it's a real thing though like they you know like they they really should have been swept like if you're talking about on paper

they should have been swept with the amount of injuries with the lack of offense of offensive creation that they had against the Celtics and somehow they found themselves a Jimmy Butler pull up three away from going to the NBA finals like like that that's crazy like and like heat culture is real i think yeah i'm not saying it's not it's just like all that's true all that's great they're still not going to be a realistic contender calling the spade it's half a bam to take over as like the guy yeah 100% especially

especially in a regular season because we want to preserve jimmy butler to to put up 30 point triple doubles come playoff time but regular season bam for three years in a row i feel like he's been saying I want to take more shots. I want to take more shots. First preseason game, he was doing that. He was any fishing for a center, but at least he was getting the shots up. You know, so I think it's time for him to take that bigger role. But how many years are we going to say this until we decide that maybe he's just not built like that?

He can watch and say it in the media. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt one last time. And if he says it again next off season, I'm cutting them off. I will not be rocking number 13 Miami Heat Jersey ever again because I'm tired of it. We know versatility defensive. There's not a lot of people better than him on that side of the floor. But, like, they're asking for more at this point. Yeah.

And it's like, even if he is just that defensive player, great, fantastic. Yeah. But it's not even, like, just the media or fans' fault for putting him in these conversations as if he should be this offensive player. He does it himself. So it's, like, at a certain point. And his teammates, too. Jimmy's like, I'm going to find you $100 every game you don't take a three.

And then he takes, like, six on the season. It's like, what is happening? Why are you just giving him all his money? that's funny because if you're bam just fucking take one just to avoid that conversation was that actually a real conversation that's a real thing yeah he said in the media i'm sure it was like ingest but like clearly these conversations are happening so like bam hears that he has to yeah okay that's funny he needs that type of motivation dog it's Miami's a tricky place dude not tricky but they're just like what you said either you have to

give him respect you said um you have to give him respect okay final predictions where are they in a place in the regular season seating wise and what are they going to do in the playoffs i'll give him three that's exactly i was thinking i was thinking they're going to be a top three seat again i'll say i'll say i'm going to give them even more respect the heat will finish as as the number two seed splitting hairs here that's like the two and three are going to be like one game difference yeah probably probably i'm just trying to play this like like the price is right i just want to be different facts i want to be the one that was highest on the heat

which isn't hard for this room yeah what's interesting is like when you talk about the playoffs with them like how many teams do you think they could like comfortably be towards the top of the weeks like how do you're matching against the bucks the sixers and the nets oh that's a good question we're from turn to a ticot segment let's go what's the service in ticot i'm a list of mba teams you let me know if you're taking them or the miami heat in the playoff series the 76ers i'm taking the i'm taking the i'm taking the miami heat he's such a hardin hater i'm taking the 76ers come on i'm taking sixers too in a hard i'll take sixers but it's it wasn't in a hard beat i think it's a seven game series legit

yeah i don't maybe if it's a seven then i should go miami because james harding oh that's a good point honestly that's a very good point it is going to be a long fought series and harding gets worse the series goes on that is true damn are you making reconsider maybe i might pick the heat now. Damn. Do it. Fuck it. The heater went in seven.

And I believe in Dewell. I believe in Dewell and Tyrese Maxie. And also PJ Tucker. Important a note, too. Oh, yeah. No. Flip it. PJ Tucker's on this roster now.

I can't flip twice, so I guess I'm stuck on this island on myself. You slayed me once. You played me. What about the Cavs? The Heat. For sure. I'm taking the calves.

I feel like I'm just like in the 1% of Cavs believers on the internet at this point. but I think they're going to be like that. I couldn't be higher, honestly. He's like a year or a year or two away from that. You're too advanced in your thoughts. I just don't see why it's going to take that long. Maybe everyone says that I give them some time. No, I feel like they're going to be ready.

I'm really big on not waiting or just giving people flower, just saying things about how they are at the moment. I feel like year two of Luca, I was like, he's one of the best picking robot islands I've ever seen in my life. I don't see why you feel like to wait if we're going to be that good. I guess What's the next team? What about the Nets?

It's tough. I'll take the Nets. If the Nets make it to the playoffs in one piece, I'll take the Nets. But if they come in looking like the way that they did last season, then I'll take Miami. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I feel like if everybody's healthy,

all things go in best case scenario for both teams, it's the Nets, but there's a really good chance that doesn't go best case in error for the Nets. So maybe you've got to pick the heat. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking In the perfect world It's the Nets and I don't think twice But it's the Brooklyn Nets

And nothing's perfect in Brooklyn Yeah, and that's why I'm actually thinking Yeah, exactly And also, this is kind of random But bro, after seeing the way It's a preseason But seeing Ben Simmons' jump shot You know what I'm saying

Just like, after all that time he missed I'm like, bro, you can easily be taking You can be taken out of the game If a team wants to go to that extent And I feel like Eric Sporcher is the type To go to that extent So I got the magnitude for sure Totally different topic, but I don't think you're going to be able to take Ben Simmons out of the game as easily now

Because he's next to Katie and Kyrie, it's much easier to hide his lack of shooting when you have those people coming off screens of them I see your point Maybe a smart team exposure, like you said, is going to be the one to expose him Yeah Do we trust Steve Nass to actually put him in the right position? I don't think Steve Nash is that bad of a coach. I feel like it's so overrated I can't even give you an opinion because I feel like he hasn't actually coached him yet

Exactly. He's had no chance with all the turmoil and the change of the defense of the teams like every two weeks he's game planning for a new team like how could you expect him to do something incredibly impressive yeah yeah and maybe it was an i'maedoka thing but like in past years they were making good adjustments defensive within the playoffs and taking things away from teams like i feel like because kevin durant thinks he's asked for whatever reasons he has like everyone just like yep it must be shit they're like maybe not maybe katie's wrong everyone about that that is like i can disagree that has a good discussion you want to song izic you one.

Steve Nat, time out, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, okay. Steve Nash has been the coach for three years, though, and, like, you've, you've coached over 100 games, and we still don't know if you're, like, like, you still don't know if you're that guy. I feel like even on bad teams, you can tell if they're being coached well. He's played 100, over 100 games, and maybe 13 of them he's had his full roster. Like, it's been the most tumultuous three years. Like, it's not a normal three years for a coach.

It's three years, though. it's still it's still three years I couldn't think of a bro I couldn't think of a worst coaching job to have other than like Steve and Ash's and like whoever like Frank Volvo on the Lakers like I couldn't those are the top two

worst places to coach at by far yeah so I'm kind of I kind of sign what I think that's cool I mean yeah I mean had a couple playoffs here a one of them his whole game plan was KD will not sit on the bench for 60 minutes he will play every single

second and another it almost worked even the bulls took a game off the bucks in the playoffs like getting swept in the playoffs is ridiculous under any circumstance especially you have an all-time great on your roster should never happen if you have Kevin Durant it's crazy yeah

okay but I would put that on Nash or putting that on KD because KD had the worst series of his life but I'll put on KD though he's out on the floor Kyrie was there too don't forget and he was healthy so yeah Kyrie didn't play well either they can both get it Yeah. Anyways, we have two more really uninteresting teams to talk about before we get to these TikTok segments, so let's just slide through it.

All right. What do y'all feel about the magic? Let me not even ask what you think they're going to be in terms of wins and all that shit, because it doesn't matter. Who are you excited for from this young core? I'm smashing the over, though. I know you said not about the wins. I'm smashing over. Okay.

Okay, explain. I think they have a lot of people on their roster that are really, really solid. I mean, they have maybe too much that you have to. to figure out, oh, how many minutes does this guy get? Is he a part of our real future, and you have to figure that out? Jonathan Isaac doesn't have a timetable after two and a half years. He's not a real person anymore. Markelle Foltz already broke his toe. It's like, it's a lot of stuff, but I believe legit in Wendell Carter and Franz Wagner. And Jalen Suggs cannot be worse than he was last year offensively. Yeah, I say the same thing,

but it's like shaky logic because like, are we assuming he's going to be better just because he's young or maybe he was just not that good? It is possible. It is possible. it is possible. I know for sure his defense is real though. He was really good defensively last season and it's just, it felt like he could have been a lot better. I mean, maybe he's just asked. Yeah, we'll see. I made a joke really about Cole Anthony taking all the shots, but I think he actually is pretty good. Maybe his destiny is a sixth man. A lot of people say that, but I think he is clearly invaluable player in that way. His mix of off the dribble shooting and a little bit of playmaking he provides is honestly valuable. Yeah, for sure. But now that you mention it,

they do have a lot of guys. Like, Chimotikis, like they're like a lot of 11th most relevant guy and he's pretty good yeah kenny so you said that you were going to hammer the over right so if you look at the win total the win total is at 27 and a half you're you're you're hammered it could be a 31 team i think they can be a 31 team yeah okay okay oh so if that's the case are you assuming palo's going to be like really good right away i think he's going to win rookie of the year that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be really good yeah yeah like i said i'm a Real believer in Franz Wagner. I know Eurobasket doesn't necessarily translate to where you perform in the NBA.

But even when he was playing in the NBA, he was one of the best rookies in the class. And nobody cared because he was part of the Orlando Magic. And then when you took away the Mobamba Windel Carter minutes, Franz Wagner and Windle Carter together were fucking amazing. On the bad team. Like their numbers were amazing on the really bad team. And I'm assuming now that Palo's there, there won't be a ton of lineups where you see Mobamba and Windle Carter together. you're going to get a full experience of Wendell at the 5. But why did they bring him back then?

This brought him back to be the backup? I was talking to the guys over at the six-man show and I asked him the exact same thing. They said that they just really like them in the locker room. Good vibe. He's like 24 and he's a locker room vet already. Like, what are we doing? And maybe it's one of those things where they think want to lose the assay and they signed him to trade him. It's very possible.

That'd be a smart thing to do and they seem like they're a decently smart team over the last few years. So I can see that. That's interesting. I haven't even considered their win total over-unders because the image of my head is them from last year where they were just the worst team in the NBA as we see you by the first pick. But yeah, I can totally see that.

I think Franz Wagner is definitely like going to surprise a lot of people that aren't paying attention to them. He's not going to be a star, but he's going to make the ideal player to play next to other stars. Yeah. Love that.

Yeah. What do you think? I got a weird connection with him because that was the Chicago Bulls pick. And Wendell was notably in Chicago Bowl at one point. He's going to be dreading that for a life with time. of your Chicago of your Chicago Bulls fandom you're going to be like

Bro, he's not going to be thinking about Window Carter in five years, I promise. No, I'm talking about, yeah, for sure, but Franzo. You're going to be 40, 45 talking about, damn. No, it's going to be cool because we're going to build a statue of Vooch out that he hopes those are the 2026 NBA finalists. That's so nasty. Oh, my God, that's funny.

Fucking Vooch. I was seeing a, we had a TikTok about should the Lakers trade, Anthony Davis, and somebody was like, I would trade Anthony Davis for DeMar and Vooch. If you were as a Bulls fan, would you want to trade those to you for Anthony Davis? 29-year-old Anthony Davis on the last year of his deal

and hasn't really been healthy over the last couple seasons. But also, keep in fine. Yeah, it's Vooch. Sure. I'll take it. You would have to. Yeah, people are, I mean, I read over on Reddit, they were clipping someone else's pod.

They were like, oh, the Lakers are going to hold on to that pick because you never know if the Bulls are bad, DeMarter Rose and Vucevich for the 2027 and 2029 Lakers pick with Russell Westbrook And I'm like, bro, we are not about to blow up the Bulls team It was his, Zach Lowe? I think it was, right? That's a lot. We're not about to blow up the Bulls team already after one year.

That's nuts. Hey, I mean, I know you've obviously been thinking about it, but DeMar will not stop telling people that he wanted to be a Laker. Like, he probably still does. He tells every time you put a microphone in front of DeMarr, he tells you, I thought I was going to the Lakers. And then now he added this other one. There's one team out there that offer me a vet minimum, and I take it personal.

Everybody knows the Clippers, bro. Shout to DeMar, though. I got nothing but love for DeMar, but, yeah. That's funny. That's funny. I get it. I know Bulls fans have this, like, infatuation with Anthony Davis. Do you think that's still there?

Do they still, like, fiend for him to have him one day? No. Really? No, the dad. Because I think we got our Chicago legend or hometown hero guy fix. right now with Iyo Dissumo. Oh my God. I'm being real, though.

Obviously, he's not Anthony Davis, but like, even yesterday, from Chicago, the crowd goes crazy when they hear that. And we don't need two from Chicago's because it loses this effect. So to one Chicago kid per team area. The answer to the question is, no, I wouldn't trade Iyo for Anthony Davis. Honestly, valid. I was going to play 62 games. I guarantee it.

Yeah. Anybody else have anything else I'll say about the magic? I don't. Like Jamal Mosley's really cool dude. Great coach, great coach, great coach. None of else is.

Could not spell his name for the life of me, though. Oh, yeah. That age is tricky. That's funny. All right, well, the last thing we got to talk about here is the Washington Wizards. Yuck. Just the definition of the most mid team in the NBA.

We had a video where we were talking about teams of trade for Russell Westbrook, and I was saying basically it has to be a team that's a definition of mid because they're not rebuilding with it also not a playoff team and the Wizards are the only team that matches that category. Yeah, exactly. There's not really too much to say about them.

They got better compared to last season, but they're still mid, so that's not really saying much. Okay, so give them credit. Let's say this would not be super negative. Obviously, they have Bradley Bealbeck, Chris Ross-Borzingis should be healthy, Monta-Morris, Kuzma took a step. Other interesting pieces like Gaffert, Kisper, who's injured,

do you think there's a world where they can push to that 7-8 seed range? I think 7-8 is a bit high. I think 9, 10 is probably where they're a lot in life is. And they're just going to be at the edge of the play in. And whether that, like last year, they ended up finishing with 35 wins. I don't know if they're going to finish with 35 or if they're going to finish with 40 and get to like 40 and 42. But 9 and 10 kind of seems where they're going to be at just because of the strength of the rest of the Eastern Conference.

Yeah. Yeah. Of the teams underneath them, they feel like the team that would have. try to turn in their chips if they're bad halfway through the season. I feel like they'll keep pushing. I feel like the other teams are like, oh shit, Victor Wabaniamas out there,

so I'm going to, you know, rest of my starters this game. I don't think the watch the world just really think about it like that. They're like, we have to make a playoff. Yeah, after Bradley Biel? Chris House Horsengis looked pretty damn good in the games he played last season. I'm saying, that's what I'm saying.

I'm just saying. Now, that's probably getting 40 games of it, but it was solid. And he hasn't played with Bradley Biel other than a couple weeks ago when they were playing in Japan, there are some things interesting about this roster, but not interesting enough for me to think they're going to be a playoff team. Yeah, exactly.

Even outside, let's separate it from the fact that they're not going to be playing team. What version of Bradley Bill you think we're going to get? Because obviously, last year wasn't his best version, but chopped up the health. With him coming back now, having Christops, who's not the best team he's ever had, but probably one of the most complimentary to his games. Ideally, in the perfect world,

Bradley Bill is one of his biggest strength now is driving to the rim. Christop should help that distress the floor I think he's probably going to be an all-star again this year I would hope so That's like the floor I definitely hope so Can he get back to being like

Is he going to be back in the mix It's like for the scoring title Being when the best scores in the league again Hopefully they don't need him to do that For them to be in games I got some spoiler for you I think they do They have good pieces around him to like

Win with that Like they were even though they weren't doing a couple years ago But I think they still need him to handle that scoring load Scoring title seems a bit much. That's Zion's. Oh, that's interesting. It's already in stone.

It's Syons. I like that. Okay. Yeah, this is a very pro-Zion podcast. I feel like we've had some very lofty expectations for him. I think Mohammed thinks he's going to be an MVP contender this year. Most definitely. Most definitely.

And score and tide would definitely help those conversations. Yeah, it just depends on how the rest of the team fills out. Fifth or six seed? Fifth or six seed. I would say if Zion gets fifth or fourth, then I definitely think he's. top three nine conversation for sure when I'd be so wild to go from not playing for a year and a half and just being MVP immediately like people wouldn't know how to handle that the narratives

would just be off the charts yeah yeah did you see him the other day like god he was he was doing stuff that made it look so effortless he'll get it on the block take one's rubble and he was rising and it was crazy he could do about it shipped the hell out of pee will it was crazy we we aren't feeling great about pee will right now let's be okay elaborate on that I won't say Bulls Nation is off but they're still asking for

leaps and obviously as a team that's trying to compete I'm putting that a quotation that's what they're trying to do they're not actually doing it but that's what they're trying Patrick Williams Leap is extremely important for the organization and at least in preces you want to see him take a couple

shots just a couple I mean not asking for much more than that and he just didn't so well what are you personally what are you you're on the bandwagon so what kind of player what do you see the division for him in a couple years well he had one of the lowest uses rates of any starter um last season which makes sense he's playing vucevich damar and exactly and they're all like give me the ball or let me do my part um but you

would want him like there they were opportunities a lot last season where he'll get the ball in the corner and instead of just taking the jump shot and he is an efficient three-point shooter on low value but he fished three-point shooter where he'll take one dribble and pass he's like god damn it Patrick, it was a fourth overall pick the year before Scotty Barnes. Like, we need you to do something. We need you to do something. You know what's interesting? I feel like that's probably a coaching thing, though.

I feel like they're probably stressing to him. We have all these creators. We need the defense from you and whoever else we can get it from. Like, we need you to focus on this. They're probably telling him that that, like, you need to be the defense. Go out there and only focus on that. So it's probably thinking, oh, I got to defer to these stars. Yeah.

I mean, be real. He's not as great of a defender as a lot of people think he is. Yeah, the idea of him is much better than the reality. He's very stiff at the bottom half of his body. Yeah. And I can't explain it other than that. And I think you need some flexibility to guard the guys that he needs to guard. Well, he's had some lower bodies.

Does he has? Yeah. Yeah, it's probably why, yeah. Yeah, I guess we don't got to get full on to the bull's misery. Yeah, and I told you before this show. And we did it. Yeah. Luckily, I forgot about them in episode one of the show.

So I was like, you got saved. I'm not going to make you rehash that, even though here we are doing it now. Yeah, I have to. But last thing I want to say about the Wizards, I've been a Kyle Kuzman fan from day one, had a shaky year or two. People were telling me I was stupid for being high on him,

but we're back. Kyle Kuzman is a very good NBA player, and I'm sad he's no longer a Laker. I don't know about very good. I'll say he's a good NBA player for sure. Whatever. Yeah, I guess. I mean, being the third best player on a non-playoff team,

how good could you really be? Maybe because the first and second best player aren't too good. I mean, he's basically third best player on a championship team a little while ago, right? I think people gave it to KCP unanimously, but he was up there. KCP was elite, bro. That makes sense. Hilarious to say, we're arguing between KCP and Kuzma. Yeah.

What a world we live in. Yeah, bro. That team on a championship. This is rain, super rain or no. But I remember at a point in time during the Ron's early years for the Lakers, like, KCP was terrible. That was when back in them days, he had the ankle monitor on attached. to him and he was ass he was given the

the best fake news ever i love that he was given like the danny green treatment like every single night people just harassing him turned out he had a burner account and he was dependent himself for that too and all of a sudden the bubble happened and he turns he looks like bro he's the best version of a two-way guard that you like that you'd like to see just shoot up three and d so that's interesting to see that that's funny he was really the most hated player in the NBA because lakers fans just have so much vitriol in their hearts and just have so much masses online like it's crazy you just the mental shit he must have gone through the ups and downs must have been so crazy yeah yeah I would take less money to play somewhere else other

than LA if I was obviously if I was a player yeah yeah like that I don't know he got 17 mil from the Lakers nobody was touching that like they gave him a bag I might be a little too much turned down and now he's playing with yokits which should be he's like the perfect guy he's like the perfect guy for that spot yeah yeah yeah I think we're talking about them next week we can talk about them a little bit now. The Nuggets are like I love them. I think in terms of roster construction you can get much better than that in terms of just on paper fit. Like you say

the same thing about the Suns last year. They're the new version of that where just everything fits so well and checks all the boxes they're going to be incredible. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're over under was like 49 and a half and I was like give me that. That's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah. I'll take it right now. They're 50 and a half. Oh, it's a okay. 50 and a half.

I'm still taking the over. If it was 54, I might still hit it. Like, I think they're going to be that good. Yeah. I think if, I think for the, for the Nuggets, honestly, their championship price is probably the best price on the board. They're at their plus 2,000, 20 to 1. I really like them at that, at that price.

I think, like, if Jamal comes back, and we saw him do some, some crazy stuff in that first preseasoning game, if Jamal comes back and he's 100% and MPJ comes back and he's even solid like yoke just been carrying these teams with absolutely nobody for these last two years you give them just a little bit of help like they're they're going to make a run and the west is very very open for them to do it yeah it helps that michael proto juniors like the most efficient shooter of all time like he does not miss it feels like he just he had two back surgeries came back first preseason game it's just like it was like five for seven or something like he just didn't miss at all so only problem is he doesn't

anything else besides not misdump shots but luckily Aaron Gordon showed over the last season that he's such a versatile defender that like even though Michael Porter Jr. doesn't defend anything you got Aaron Gordon over there and they could run a bunch of lineups where like Michael Porter Jr. is not even on the court if we need a defensive stop. You remember that quote that Damien Lillard maybe his representation put out that said we want one of these elite defensive players on our teams with Dame one of the Gobert, Janus is or Aaron Gordon's and they threw him in there. That was fucking hilarious.

That time was wrong. That time. I wonder if they're represented by the same people. Are they both CAA? They got to be. Got to be something. But you know what? The NBA player's perspective is a lot different than ours.

We're like people are in conversations like that, maybe in NBA circles, but as a fan like us, we don't see Aaron going in that same conversation. You know, I feel you, but I don't believe NBA players view that conversation either. I just can't imagine that. Maybe. He said, we want somebody that might be. getable so let me add Aaron Gordon to the conversation.

That shit was hilarious. It's framed terribly. Just set them up to get cloned on. I think we're done with these team previews. I think we can move on to the TikTok segments. Y'all ready? Let's go. Yeah, let's do it. Cool.

So I'm going to send you guys a doc in the chat. These are some of the new NBA throwback jerseys. We're going to do a classic segment we used to do this or that NBA jersey edition. This is my bag. So go ahead and open that up for me. This is my bag. facts even though everybody hate your taste

they think you just have no style and they're just an idiot when it comes to fashion yeah they don't know anything because people don't understand the history of jerseys also can you give us access yeah fuck I hate this fucking Google Docs okay let me ask you this Kenny because

this was a very controversial thing in her comments you remember those Miami Vice jerseys where they took it a year too far and did the gradient all over it yeah are those good jerseys no are they average jerseys they're maybe slightly below average

you know I don't want like if they were playing they aren't bad enough from me like oh snap I hate I don't want to watch this game anymore because there are some jerseys like that but I wouldn't I would not buy that's how I always look at jerseys who's on that list where you won't watch the game

that's crazy that's terrible bro won't watch the game because of a jersey oh my god I won't like if we talk in recent jerseys the Utah jazz practice jersey I won't watch if they're wearing that jersey but it also helps that they don't have a lot of talent like worth watching yeah but that's the one that comes in mind immediately he's like sometimes because I think a lot of these these teams are like we got to go vintage and then you bring a throwback which is fine I guess but like eventually you're going to run out of throwbacks and then the opposite of that is like let's get super simple and simplicity is cool but it has to have his limits and I think the Utah Jazz try to go too far in simplicity yeah those jerseys suck

those are awful I get the I get the same vibe from actually not not the same vibe but like the ones that I didn't like the Mavs a couple years ago had the Navy blue one with just a blue and a white stripe on the side and I didn't like those because they felt

they felt like practiced jerseys you know it's another bad Mavs one it was one it looked very like Comic bookie Oh, that was terrible Terrible jersey Let me tell you the background To where this conversation came from

The fact that Luca had to hoop and nose is Disgusting This conversation started Because we had those Mav jerseys Versus the gradient heat ones And we said these are the worst two jerseys We've ever seen which one's better And the comment section

Fucking flamed us And said those gradient jerseys Are one of the best jerseys In NBA history and we have no taste Well, you have to remember That they're The viewer base is probably young 14 yes 13 year olds if i was if i was a freshman in high school in seventh eighth grade i'd

probably mess with those jerseys yeah exactly what it is ooh bright color gradian look cool fortnight right yeah everybody got this doc with the jerseys pulled up yeah i do not i request it get with the program you don't got to request you more refresh refresh it oh okay cool cool got man mo is this man mo is technically challenged absolutely it's just funny old man all right we're gonna do an NBA jersey this or that we'll re-said you know i got to tick to tick tock hook in there i can't speak either let's do another NBA jersey this or that are y'all taking these are y'all taking these warriors jerseys or the rockets i'm gonna take the warriors jerseys just i like to see on him but those rocket jerseys are

hard. I think both these are like 10 out of 10. Yeah. W take. I love a captain thing. Yeah. I love it. I mean, it needs to be across the league. I like the Rockets jersey until you see the shorts. I hate the shorts. I've never seen this short. I hate the shorts in this jersey. They have, I'm pretty sure they have like a stripe going across that just feels like it doesn't flow well. So if I'm picking between the two, I'm taking the Warriors one. It's Warriors easier for me. I just, I love almost every Warriors jersey. It's almost like I'm a Warriors fan at this point.

How do y'all feel about like a Ross or a jersey that doesn't feel like it belongs to the team? Like this jersey doesn't feel like a Rogers jersey. That's what I'm saying. Like I see Seattle when I see this or I see some other team that doesn't exist in Indian. And I mess with it heavy. But for the Rockets, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that. Donovan always says this to me because I love any team that has a black jersey.

And he's just like, I don't like it. It doesn't feel like a warrior jersey. Yeah. I was not a huge, huge fan of the Black Warrior jerseys from this past season. I understand like they were they were solid they were okay I think that I don't think every team needs to go with a black jersey I do you're wrong next one I'm like the kids like the bright jerseys I just like the black ones no matter what yeah I'm gonna have to beer towards the next one I mean towards the Houston jersey I like the rockets but it's just

way too random way too random it needs to be in the fear in the sphere of like their team and the things that they got going on in their city and community and this just has nothing to do with it in my mind. I think it actually does have some deep-rooted theme to it, but move on. Yeah, it's not relevant to me. Next one. Does Lakers throwback or the Purple Bucks throwback?

Bucks. Bucks. That purple just do something to me, man. I don't know what it is. This man loves purple. Every time we talk about Purple Jersey, he's just instantly just seen his eyes. I was going to say the same thing.

purple jerseys as a main i'm taking over like 90% of things even though the lakers one is clean i'm taking the bucks i think i'm gonna take the bucks as well i think we're gonna go three for three on this one it's it's bro it's just clean that's all that's all i got to the bucks too yeah i got to go to the bucks like that color scheme is just the white mesh is so well with the dark purple it's hard not to pick i think i like purple so much because of the game saints row that game was so ill that game was so iconic Nothing beat St. Row 3. That shit was so good.

Okay. Last one. The hardest one. The Sun's throwbacks or the teal pistons throwbacks? I got to say pissons for this one. I like purple. I like purple. I love it.

But these teal jerseys haven't seen them in a minute. Haven't seen them consistently in a minute. And they just give me old-school fans, bro. I love it. Top three for me. Yeah, I'm not a jersey collector by any means. I would buy a Cade Cunningham. big piston jersey for sure

y'all this is tough go go i think i know the pissons is the easy answer but i really i'm a sucker for the sun jersey i got to go with that one i love the big sun with the street going across the side every year in two k i wear a throwback jersey and this is always the one i pick my my player let's go okay you actually went different of where i thought you were going to go i thought you were going to go with the pistons one i'm going with the sun's one as well i think we have different reasons for why we're picking them but

the sun across the logo is iconic it's i i think that that's even more than this like you know graffiti horse that like listen and that's cool you used to play you know NBA street and you you get those old you know pistons uniforms like that's fire but the sun's one is that's like one of the you know iconic throwback jerseys in NBA history i think i have a charles barclay sun has you like that i do i do too i have a black one that's purple I can't blame me all for that at all, bro. The son's that, like you said, Donovan, that basketball across the Jersey

just goes way too hard. Yeah. And I can't fault you for that. I can't call you crazy. These are honestly two of the best areas in the league this year. Like, you can't go wrong in their way. All right, let's move on to a classic segment.

Underrated or overrated. Okay, okay. Let's do it. Are these players underrated or overrated? We're not going to do property rating because that makes it too easy. Everyone always bails out and, oh, I think you're rated properly. All right. First one, La Mello Ball.

Shit, this is hard because I want to say it properly, just like you said. But I'm going to say... This one's hard as far. Underrated. Underrated. Underrated. I think because he's popular, so many people want to say he's overrated, that he's kind of underrated at this point.

Like, it's too easy for them to say overrated. Yeah, I'm going to say... I'm going overrated. I'm going, I'm going overrated. I still think that there's, like, a couple elements to his game that, like, that need to get better, obviously. But people, you see, you see the highlights and you see everything that, like, that he can do from just, like, a wow standpoint. And you might put him a little bit higher than what he needs to be. So I'll say overrated.

Fair enough. I'm going to go underrated. I'm going to go underrated. because he doesn't deserve to be in the upper echelon amongst young point guards, and I don't think a lot of people have him there. But fuck it. I'm just going underrated. I don't know.

No explanation needed. Jimmy Butler. I'll ever be underrated. Underrated. Everybody says that, though. I think he's a little overrated. I still think he's underrated, even if you think he's an amazing playoff performer. I'm still taking that he's underrated.

I think I've said it several times now, but I think we take it. take the fact that he performed so well in the playoffs two or three games every year and we just extrapolate that as if that's who he is every single game of his career and I think consistency matters and he's great. I just don't think he's necessarily that great all the time. I don't okay I understand what you're saying

and there 100% like is a merit to it because you look at Jimmy and you're like hey like do you think you can do this from you know from October to April instead of just like waiting. However however when there's nobody else on your team and you know that you can

give the ball to Jimmy Butler on one night because like you're down to one and Jimmy's going to go out and get you a 40 point triple double and save your season and he's going to be he's going to be just fine in the regular season but when you know that he has that level to get to which is like superstar level of production yeah

that's that's a different level so I would say underrated yeah I guess that's fair he turns into Superman twice every year so I mean what are you going to do yeah he's a he's a 16 game player that hasn't won 16 games in the playoffs yet that's what it is we talk about Like he has two chips under his belts.

That's funny. Our next one, Damien Lillard. I'm going to say underrated just because he's been out for a year. And I think a lot of people forgot just how good Dame is. 1,000 percent. 1,000 percent agree with you. You're spinning right now. It's just like I'm seeing lists.

And again, he didn't have a good performance when he was, like, playing last season. But an abdominal injury is like one of the worst you can try to play through, especially in the game of basketball. I'm saying he's extremely underrated at this point, which is crazy to say because just a couple years ago, he was like all NBA. But one year, people forget. People in our comments tell me that I'm stupid for putting him top 10.

Like, what are we talking about? It's freaking Damien Lord. Of course he's top 10 still. He's underrated. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to go ahead and say underrated. And I've seen it to a extent to where, like, people are saying, oh, no, bro.

Jaw has surpassed X amount of guys. And Danieler is one of those guys. And I'm just like, bro, you are off. You are off of it, bro. Bonkers. Relax. I think we forget now because a lot of people

throw away the bubble was not mattering. But what we saw him do in the bubble, it's one of the most insane things I've ever seen on a basketball court. That one gave me, I think it wasn't the Nuggets. We just kept going into like overtime

and double O T. And he's continued to hit these ridiculous threes. He was doing what Jimmy Butler does in the playoffs two or three times every year in that game. Just turning into God. All right. One more name we got Chris Paul. Oh.

This is the perfect properly rated player I'm gonna say I'm gonna say overrated though Yeah I have to say I'm okay why is that I'm gonna say over overrated I think I know it hurts Kenny's heart Yeah he's a you're a Chris Paul guy Kenny He's a number one fan

It's my favorite of all time man of all time Oh wow Of all time Dang yeah but with that being said I agree he's maybe slightly overrated nowadays Why are we saying overrated What do we think people rate him as the best leader in all the basketball

according to NBA GMs which is like cool he's probably he's in that conversation but like for him to get a majority of the vote feels kind of weird yeah I think he's great but not necessarily because his leadership I feel like we just say that

because he's old and tries real hard like he leads teams to meltdowns in the playoffs congrats I think he is still a really good player and we take the last meltdown as if he's like gonna be asked forever now but we see him bounce back every regular season I think he's gonna do it again

yeah exactly I'm not seeing on my chest at all That he's overrated It's just a little It's always so hard When we take out properly reading Because that's such a crush for people Yeah, exactly

But it's the truth Every time we've had Every time we've had you guys Do it on through the wire Every time Kenny's just Probably Yeah That's it

Okay We got one more Yeah This is gonna be just Pretty interesting one Which team has the better Young Corps The Mavs or the Raptors?

So this is basically Luca versus everybody. Would you rather have Luca or Scotty Barnes and whoever you... Luca, Scottie Barnes and O'Donobie and whoever else you got. I'm taking Luca, sorry.

And Gary Trent, I think he's under 25. He's 23. I got Luca. I got Luca. Yeah, I think it's got to be Luca. I don't know. Like, people have... If you think Scott is going to be

this top-ten player in the future, maybe it's a conversation, but we already know what Luke is. Yeah, exactly, right. Yeah, I mean, the Raptors have a good young core, but it's like Scotty and then a tier below. Like the rest of those guys are a tier below. Pressa Chulia, though, I think can raise some eyebrows this season.

But people have a lot of hoping him. I've got to watch more than him. I've never seen anything to make me as encouraged. If you look at the last, don't look at the first 60 games of the season, Isaac. That's when I was watching them. Yeah, watch those last 20 where he was getting the ball and coming up court and jacking up a three and they going in. Yeah, I don't think I watched him enough to end of the year

Because I watched him beginning of the years I watch every team And I was like, this guy fucking sucks You can't finish the layup You can't see what does he feel He was suited like 32% Halfway through the season As a center, it felt like

And then I see Raptors fans Saying that he's gonna win the most First Todd defenders in NBA and stuff I was like, what are we talking about? Who is this guy? What am I missing? It's also why I feel about RJ Barrett Like I feel like I'm just missing something

Like I hear the fans That are so hype about him Yeah, so a little different tension Donovan with the Knicks fan by the way Oh, okay It's a little bit trauma a lot of trauma calves or hawks

you have to say what type of question is this it's the calves have to I'm just glad we're in alignment it's got to be the calves terrible question yeah I just want to hear you say it

this man is evil yeah he set me up for this is terrible rockets or thunder it's a good question I'm really high on Jalen Green so I'm going to say the I'm going to say the Rockets, because I, I'm high on Jaylin Green right now, and I think that Jabari has all the tools to, like, be very, very good.

I'm also not sure if Shea's going to be around for, like, Shea might ask for a trade soon, so he might be out of this course. You're saying you're high on Jaylin Green. I'm high as fuck on Shea, and I think Chet Holngram is better than Jabari Smith. So I think I'm going to have to go thunder, plus their depth of picks. I mean, plus their depth of young players, the thing's got to be done. Yeah, exactly. I like Chet a lot more than Jabari Smith, and also I think Shay.

he's say versus daly green going towards the future i think i don't know that's that's that's a very much of a toss up to me and i think chet bridges i think chet doesn't take them over the top and also have to consider the fact that like you know they got josh josh giddy and uh i think he's a much better fit on that team compared to someone like kpj who's like i forgot about josh gitty yeah kpj's like all over the place so who we knows what he's going to do thunderstorm I'm going to pick The Rockets I'm a big Tari-Eason guy

And nobody's mentioned Alprinson Goun as the young center over there I don't watch college ball So I don't really have an opinion About Chet versus Gibrarisman of Junior I guess I watched them in Summer League a little bit But I really do like

Tarie Eason's game a ton And he's going to make me put him over the top Because I mean, Shay and Jalen Brown are damn at the same age I think people think Shea is a lot younger than what he really is. I mean, it's too young because Jalen Brown is young. It's like, they're like 24 going on 25 soon. Yeah, he's going to age as a conversation soon.

I love how you don't watch college basketball, neither do I, so you don't have an opinion on Shet, but you have an opinion on Taris. Well, when we were a summer league and Tarisa was the best player on the court for three games I watched at them. Like, that was enough. That was enough. It immediately became your guy. Yeah.

He's the one he said. It'd be like that. That's how it was a Caruso in the summer league with the Lakers. He's the one. Well, that's all the segments I got, so I think we can get out of here. Cool. Sounds good to me. Appreciate you for coming by.

Again, I appreciate you coming on the show, Kenny. Of course, man. I appreciate you coming over a little bit. In time, y'all want me to stop by. I'm down. My daughter is yelling in the background. So, send me the invite for next week. I'll keep doing these for you.

Just close. I appreciate you guys having me for sure. Yeah, for sure. Hold on, wait. I guess that's all we got. I just saw on the Bleacher Report app Does may take disciplinary action against

Draymond Green after a physical altercation with Jordan Pool. To be honest, that really means nothing, but that's kind of crazy to see. He whoop that boy ass. It's kind of crazy. Disciplinary action is crazy. What you push him up against a locker? What about that? What did try to hit on his wife or what? What's going on?

80 sitcom? You better with me. That's funny. What a nice way. to book in the conversation This man Draymond just can't stop yelling at TV Perpetually angry

That's nuts That's funny Yeah All right See you next time