The Deep 3 Podcast - The Biggest Lie Told About Every NBA Team | Ep. 187

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

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Donovan, what is your favorite piece of NBA propaganda? All time. All time? Ever. That the NBA draft lottery is 100% rigged every single year. It is very fun. Mo, what is your favorite piece? I'm not going to start right there.

Same thing? I've made so much money off of that. Talking about how the draft lottery is rigged. What money have you made off of the draft lottery? It's on YouTube with the past. It bites every single time. With that being said, as you guys, got to see by the title. We are here today to talk about one lie that is told and believed about

your favorite NBA team. We're going to go through all 30 teams in the league and give you a lie that we think is commonly accepted by the masses about that team. Now, this is going to be half modern day conversations, half about today, 26 teams, and half all time. So some of these teams that aren't very interesting today. There's no real lies. We're going to go towards an all-time debate, some kind of old 90s propaganda that people still believe. But as many as we can, we're going talk about this year's team should be a nice mix. Don't want me to sit here and lie about the Washington Wizards. There are no lies.

You are who you are. Everybody knows exactly who the 2026 Bulls are. Nobody's ever told a lie. Now with that being said, cue the intro of music. Let's talk about some lies. We're throwing it back. That's crazy. He was bragging.

I don't know. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. Crown Eaters rejoice. Be Souls, what team should we start with? You pick? Let's start with the LA flippers, the LA Clippers. You want to start with hate?

Donovan, you have the Clippers, right? I do. I can only imagine the hate that you led with. No hate. No hate. No hate. Okay, well, what is one lie told about the Los Angeles Clippers? That Kauai Leonard currently is not a top five player.

Mm. Currently. Currently. Okay. I think, listen, sometimes you got to put the hate to the side and you got to look at what's happening on a nightly basis and you got to see that Kauai Leonard still right now he's that guy he's that he's that he's that and like every every single night now is it going to matter that he's the top five

player no like they they ultimately will probably lose either in the plane or in the first round But he every single night is going out and getting buckets at an astronomical rate. He is still playing very solid. Obviously it's not like Pete Kauai Leonard defense, but it is still really, really good defense. And even after they traded James Hardin, they traded Zubot, Kauai is still out here leading the clippers to wins against teams that they should not have wins against or in games that they should not be in. and he just gave, he just gave Ant and the Wizards 41 the other day. He just walked down the Rockets last night, had a, had a game winner. Every single night, every other game, Kauai Leonard is either going for 30 or hitting a game

winner and you look around and I still think that, I think that Kauai is now elevating himself back into those conversations of being top of up. Yeah, that's such like a tough pill to swallow and something that I don't want to tell myself. But then every night, you're right. Like going back to what you said, he dropped off 41 against the Minnesota Timberwolves, gave the Houston Rockets and Katie a game winner last second. And now, like, I have to sit here and be like, damn, bro, like, do I have to put Ante Edwards down? Because there's, like, a clear level between those two.

And when it comes to the Wembe conversation, there are just certain things that I look at when I'm like, you're not fully there yet. But Kauai is just like, here. I don't know if I want to do it because I constantly get burned. but then the product every single night tells me that I have no choice. I know. And obviously, the injury stuff and the unreliability of Kauai is always something that is hanging in the balance.

And there are several players, even with Kauai, that I have done before and will continue to do and be like, listen, like, if you don't play games, I can't really put you at that level. But he and I think part of it is that like Kauai's been in the league for a long time. And so he has this benefit of, of consistency over the years as opposed to a younger player like Wemby, like Ant. But when

Kauai has the ball with 10 seconds left and he puts up a shot, I think the shot's going in where if I'm talking about Ant or I'm talking about Wembe, I'm like hoping the shot goes in. But there's an expectation with Kauai because of everything that he's done

where I think he's, he is at that point right now. 27.9 points at this point is so crazy. Like just that part alone, Obviously, he's still a well-rounded player, incredibly efficient this season. But the fact that he can still have the scoring volume, despite starting the season injured, actually, he started healthy, got injured a few games in this season, missed a decent amount of time. And we know the kind of state he's been in the last three years where it feels like it's a constant effort to rehab and stay at 100% health.

And most of the time in past years, he hasn't been able to do that. He's either been hampered while on the court or completely off the court. The fact that we can even get a stretch like this where he's playing as good as ever played is crazy. And you said it's a tough pill to swallow. not really for me. Like if he's just going to be fully healthy, it's easy as fuck to admit, Kauai is still Kauai.

Because the only reason we had dinged him and no longer considered him in the top 10 conversations is because of those issues. It was never really a matter of he doesn't got it anymore. He lost a step. There's never a point where we thought that.

It was just like, wake me up when he plays 30 straight games. And now he's doing it. Okay. I guess he's still Kauai. Yeah, I guess the top four is solidified in terms of Yokin, Che, Yonis, Luka.

Yes. And then that five is rotating. In the past, I would have said Tatum. He's obviously not here right now. But so that, that five spot is. Fly high, sweet king. Yeah.

That five spot, even when Tatum does come back, now it's rotating between Tatum, Wemby, and Kauai. Yeah, and that's where it's at right now. It's so crazy what winning does because at the start of the year or for the first like 20-so games, we all put them like, at least me specifically put them towards the bottom of the top 40. I don't know where you guys put him, but I think I put him right next to James Harder. Maybe you did the same thing too, Isaac. Yeah, but he's been both like 25, 26, I think.

He's been pretty much the same exact player since the start of the year. He just has a lot more wins next to his name. Yeah, well, at the time we ranked the players, he had played less than half the games because he had missed those 10 games in the middle. So that was kind of the big thing. And because, like we said, for years prior, he was just never healthy. So we'd hit the point where it's, we just can't judge him only on what he's done on the court because he's never on the court.

It's such a unique circumstance where he knows he has this degenerative knee issue. That is a constant state of. affecting him in some way that he's just judged differently. And it's going to be super interesting now because they are, again, like if they go and they make the play in and they end up in the playoffs, they're going to play the Thunder in the first round. They're going to play the Spurs in the first round, a team that is going to beat them, right? They are not going to win that series.

But I still want to see how Kauai is going to perform because now we're trending towards having back-to-back years for the first time in forever of like actual playoff sample-sized stuff with Kauai. And so I'm, I'm, I'm interested to see how the playoffs go. Obviously, I don't think he's going to like fail and piss down his leg or anything like that. But it's just, it's interesting to see if he's going to or if the clippers are going to, like, go out extremely sad or if it's going to feel a little bit different because of the, of the level that Kauai's playing at.

Yep. Okay. So first lie being told around the league right now is that Kauai Linder is no longer in his prime when he very clearly still is. Let's move forward to the Lakers, staying in the Pacific Division. I feel like we have to skew towards an all-time conversation for the Lakers. They're so talked about right now, there's not really a lie being told. Right.

Outside of unless you're like a Rob Plinkab believer and the lie is that they should have saved all their cap space and not in anything, we can have a debate there, but it's not really a lie, lie. There's just like recognition of incompetence. Yeah. He's actually good. That's tough. He just played a lot better to get Vincent was playing. He just played one game.

He's good. killing in the G league. That may actually is a lie that he's not deserving of the 50-fifth overall pick in the draft. That's certainly a lie.

He's just as good as most 55th overall picks. So yeah, the Bronny hate is definitely a lie to some extent. But nuanced conversation. I put the biggest lie ever believed against the Lakers

is that Kobe Bryant can't pass. That's the flaw that's exasperated the most. That obviously I have, I agree that Kobe is a flawed player who's all-time placement and requires some nuance

and then he's probably closer to 10 than he is like top three like a lot of people leave. That's not necessarily because of the passing though. I think the idea that he is incapable of passing and was not a good playmaker for the time is mostly just because we watched a lot of LeBron James growing up

and saw that type of playmaking and everything that he has inspired since then from these wing players who have become these heliocentric main playmaker types that people just kind of forget what type of playmaking was required for 2,000 spacing from a score for his guard. Kobe Bryant's playmaking is a sign of the times

and he's a lot more similar to how Shea Gilders Alexander is a playmaker today. And I think that aspect of his game is super overlooked. Yeah, I agree. Because I think in the early part of his career, you're still in the early 2000s and you still have a designated point guard. Yeah.

You still have somebody, it's like, he has to get the ball right here and take the ball up the floor. We are going to have him, you know, throw the entry pass, do all that stuff, right? Like that is the point guard's job. And then even once we get into the mid-2000, where it's just it's just Kobe and like Beasles you have you have the the basketball reference pages up

please pull up the roster for 2005-2006 for for that for that version of Kobe and for anybody else we're looking at this roster and saying who who is he going to pass to you like Lamar Odom Smush Parker Kwame Brown like Christmas this this is not a team where you're saying yeah the potential sister are going to be very very high here like he's he's he's he's doing exactly what he's, well, this is the worst year to point out in my opinion for all this. This is the year he was actually having a chuck. And if you've ever going to point to a year and said Kobe Bryant doesn't pass, I think people, what they mean by that is more mental.

This would be the year to point to. Only four and a half of since, like you said, it's pretty bad. But to your point, he had to. So I get it. You have to, you have to do. And that's, but that's why I think, like, the, the camp passes for the things that you said. One, it's a, it's a product of the times. And it's a product of the teams.

And I think that whenever you've seen, and I also, it's a, product of mentality and you can have that, you know, conversation how you will in terms of, you know, what you want in a player or something like that. But in the moments and in, teams where around him, Kobe felt like people, you know, deserve to have the best, the ball pass to him. He could do it. It wasn't a skill that he lacked. Yeah. Look at this. As a wing, every year of his career, you look at his status, his percentage, what percentage of his teammates made shots to the player to assist on? He's in the 90th, or, plus percentile every single time.

Amongst his peers that played his position, he was one of the highest playmaking usage type of players. And here you see assist to usage, still pretty good. Now, it's not top 10 percentile, because, again, compared to his usage, he was not, he's not LeBron, right? And that's the thing.

But this is about what it is for, like, Shea in today's league. Obviously, the numbers are different. She has more assists because the game has played a little differently. But this idea of having these score-first guys who, especially in this era, operate out of isolation, on the wing, and are forced for their main playmaking

to be recognizing a double team and keeping the ball moving, making dump off passes, kicking out the shooters when available, just obviously available a lot less in today's game. He was high level at those skills. Yeah. That old five six season is hilarious. I know. You pointed this out of my, don't point out of that season. That's the year he actually didn't pass.

It's hilarious. I said Kobe Bryant passes and you immediately said, let's look at the one where he absolutely did what all the haters said he did. That's fucking hilarious. No, but it's like because you think that it's like a skill, and not you specifically, people say that as like it's a it's a tool that he doesn't have in his back he's always had it in his back it's whether or not he legitimately felt like he needed to use that that tool in his back yeah and i know and i think those times are the when he was the worst player when he felt like i may take it up on

myself and ignore this and like purposely be the score douchbag on the court like yeah that's the type of thing where i think the haters have a point but in the later years when he got pal goesal and stuff the usage is more evenly dispersed he's a better playmaker obviously was playmaking a lot when Jack was there that the best versions of Kobe, the passing was masterful for the time in terms of what you need from a score for a step of player. The only two things is, of course, one, it ruins the whole mystique about Kobe and what he is, Black Mamba, killer mentality and all that. And also, too, there's been one specific interview where he talks about how sometimes he's, his offense and his team is better off taking a shot while he's double team or being smother because he gives someone else an opportunity on his team to get an offensive rebound. So he's added to these conversations a tad bit before, but nonetheless overall, I agree with you. But still, I'm going to deject this and say this is fucking true because this is what Kobe Bryant is about.

Yeah. If you look at this year, though you just mentioned the end of Mike Dantone, his last year when he tore his Achilles and in 2013. This is the year that he still had the highest points per shot attempt, which is PSA here, 114, so still a highly effective score while having a 28% assist percentage, which is higher than all the years prior. So yeah, to be so's point, if he stayed with these modern coaches and his modern area, era, he would look a lot different than he did in a different era. That's 34-year-old Kobe. Yeah. Tough.

And then obviously from there on out, the scoring plummets because he has one Achilles and he's 35 years old. But yeah, he would look a lot different to play today. And passing wouldn't be a criticism the way it is now. Yeah. What is the next team in the Pacific Division do you want to stick to? Mo. I have no teams in this division, I believe.

Damn, sit tight, sit tight, buddy. I have the Sacramento Kings. Yeah. The sub bonus trade was a win-win. in and made sense in the moment is the biggest lie told in the last five years. About the Sacramento Kings. Really? When the second it happened, that's a bonus trade was dumb as fuck.

And I think immediate results made us, dumb as fuck is harsh. It was a trade that I think everybody knew they were going to lose because Tyrese Halliburton was clearly that good of a prospect. It was not a coincidence that he became a star. Whenever they traded him, there was many, many smart people out there that would have told you that Tyrese Halliborne was the better prospect of the year and Fox, that you make it work whatever means necessary because Tyre's Halliboran can be that special. He was a diamond in the rough waiting to blossom, and we all knew it.

In the time, they traded him to rebalance the roster, get a big to guard comparison with the roster, because we knew the Tyrese and Deerring thing had a limited ceiling, right? Immediate results come in, they make a playoff run. They find mediocrity for the first time. They find success for the first time getting that three seed and making that playoff run. For King's standards, it was exceptional, right? That was a win. It gets praised in the moment to saying, how, we told you we won the DeMonte-Sabonis trade.

The slander you gave us day one wasn't necessary. you can't let one three seed be that it'll be all i understood what we thought that in the moment because like i said they are the kings and we're desperate for a playoff run much time has passed now and tithy tally burton is one of the best players in the NBA this was a foolish trade when it happened we can ignore your one and your two where it looked decent this was a terrible trade they they let the monos a bonus a bonus get in between them and a decade of prosperity yes and yeah and the end of the day they chose they kind of chose dearon fox over tairis halliburton which was understandable because Darren Fox is better at the time.

And I suppose it wasn't a guarantee that Tyrese Hall of Burden becomes a top 12 player in the league. It was pretty apparent he was going to become a great player in the league. I don't know if I necessarily saw the run they had last year coming. But the idea of him becoming a All-Star was not a surprise to anyone paying attention. Yeah, man, this is one of the tougher bills as well because this is just a team that needed it going back to what you said. And yeah, like going back forward, I'm sure they would rather not do this trade. and they would probably get even more value off of someone like Deering Fox.

But as a Kings fan, I don't honestly think you can feel too bad about it because you got to feel something for the first time in, like, what, 17 years or so? Hey man, what you're feeling now was way worse than how good it was in 2020.

You can be mad as fuck, especially because you could trade Tyrege Talburtain. It's not insane to split up that guard duo. That made sense. And at the time, to choose, Deer & Fox wasn't outlandish. Smart. To do it for DeMontisabonis was outlandish.

DeMontonis was limited at the moments, and I know he had good years with the Kings and show that he could handle more usage than he had before. There was years where he was legitimate top 25 player in the world and put up regular season numbers. It was always clear what the limitations were. It was always clear how hard it was going to be to win with that style of play. Then you go out and get Demard de Rosen and all the other things they did to make that

situation worse. That's neither here nor there. From the jump, we could have told you, DeMont de Sabonis does not have a ceiling that is worthy of giving up on Tyree Saliburton. Yeah. And I think that, like, for the kings, like, you all. once one, you could also just run two guard lineups and like he would have been fine. You could have you could have did that.

Sometimes championship don't have as much staying power as like the 23 light the beam season. How long are we supposed to hang on to that as the justification? I hear the mystique is dead now. I think they're so down bad right now that I feel like most that goodwill is gone. I see some Kings fans on a TikTok that make a song after every single game. They're hilarious. They don't seem too happy.

I don't see them talking about the Beam too often after all these losses. Their songs are like Death and Disparas. It's like Mac Miller songs. At least he got Dylan Carver, man. At least he got someone happy with the crowd. It's about it. It's tough. So many stars become available every year these days.

They just waited and not traded Tyreys Hellebin for Subbonus. They could have gone like any of those stars with Tyrese Hallibrand. That's a chip that you can dangle and get most players. Like what did Demich get traded? Was it after? I can't remember the exact timeline. 21. That's the 21.

So he was before? Okay. so maybe that's not the example with the pull out. But think about all the stars who've been traded since then. You could have gotten a better one than Sabonis with Tyrese Halliburton.

I don't know, actually. It's really worst case scenario. Yeah, because Sabon, I mean, Halliborne's value wasn't like absurdly high. And I don't, was Sabonis an All-Star? No. Yeah, he wasn't All-Star.

So I don't know if there was like a much better dealer package. But, needless to say, like, you're right, they could have more definitely good of. The Kings fans, they don't deserve this, man. They really don't.

They good people, man. And I think, like, for Halliburton, it's extremely hard because I do think it's like a, obviously much, much, much lower stakes of this. But like, like Steph Curry versus Monta Ellis. And anytime that you have these like two players that do play the same positions, one old is and one is young, you, if you bet on the young guy and the young guy fails you, then it's like, dang, we really just wasted two. careers. We wasted two errors that we could have had by doing this. So I understand the desperation

from the from the kings, but they're, you got to be smart and desperate. Yeah, but very rarely, if you are moving in desperation, are you going to be smart? Exactly. So we can all understand why they did it, why it made sense in the moment, but there was always doubters and now the doubt is all you can focus on. Exactly. Do you have another team in the division? I have the Golden State Warriors. And my lie is that Steph Curry is not a point guard. I hate this more so. Okay, maybe not more so than people saying that the KD was better. But it's so, it's so antiquated.

It's so old. And it's so like diminishing for Steph Curry because just because you change the position like does not mean that that thing is not what it is anymore. You know how great you have to be in order for someone to call out of all the weaknesses in your game. Be like, yeah, he's not a true point guard. That's ridiculous. I hate the idea of a true point guard. Every time we do the clash suits for HOH and we have anything related to Steph Curry, he's not a point guard. He's not a point guard.

He's not a point guard. What does that mean? Why do we have to feel like what a true point guard is, is what a point guard was in 1992? Like, the idea of a true point guard is so silly. We don't do that with anything else of like this one specific version of it in which it's always been a variety of plays to, But this one idea I had of it 30 years ago, that's the real version of it. That's the pure ethical version of it. Like, that doesn't exist in any other position I can think of.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense. In any sport. And it really. Besides some racist QB conversations. But that's what the rest. That's the largest you can put the rest. Fair. But like, it just bothers me so much because it's like it for this specific position,

even for two guards, for threes, for fours, and for five. We can all look around the league and acknowledge some type of evolution in the play style in a specific position and still say, oh yeah, but that guy's a four. Okay, that guy, that guy's a five. But because Steph Curry is now like changing, changing things and even changing things and also not really changing things because nobody can play the exact same way that he can. Nobody can run around the same way that Steph can and have all that volume and be that accurate. It is not fair to Steph Curry to have him have a unique play style and then say you are not a point guard and then use that to discredit him and not put him in the conversations of all the other great great point guards to still hold on to Magic Johnson being the number one. Now, I think I have magic as the number one point guard. I understand the conversations if you put Steph at one.

That's cool. That's a conversation. It's fun. I like it. But the other thing is even if you acknowledge, okay, Steph's not a point guard. guys he's still like a top three shooting right he's still up there so either way that you say

that step is not this stuff is not that one he is all of those things and two even by your definition he is at the top of whatever position that you want to put him at so now what now what are we actually yeah yeah now what are we actually you know actually discussing

and like his and this is also nerd man his gravity like his gravity legitimately is different than anybody that we've ever seen. His off ball movement is playmaking. And because, again, nobody else can do that. You have nothing else to reference about it.

And so that's why you are looking at him and saying that he's not a point guard. Yeah, it's obviously an old antiquated ridiculous conversation. He sets people up to create easier shots better than almost everybody you can think of that is a high assist caliber player. Trey Young gets twice a assist he gets. Do you think Trey Young creates a better shot quality for his teammates when he's on the court that Steph Curry does? Nope. Not necessarily. I don't think anybody can't be in the history can with stuff.

Yeah, like at Boiske's scenario, you can say it's a tie because Trajong is a great pass here. But the assist numbers do not indicate, like the on the court impact is not twice as much by any means. For sure, for sure. I agree. I agree. Yeah. It's different levels of playmaking. Yeah.

Okay. Next team in this division, the Phoenix Suns. This is a fun one. This is a very all-time-based division talking about here today. The biggest lie told about the Phoenix Suns is that Steve Nash did not deserve his MVP's. Clock it. By Clark. Yeah.

By far, the silliest... I wrong with that take, Isaac. See, the Lakers won I had to defend Kobe. The silliest shit to ever happen in discourse is to say that Steve Nash stole Kobe Bryant's MVP in 2005-2006. I know you're mad. Stupidest shit to ever be accepted as a reality. Steve Nash clearly, clearly deserved his MVP's. The first one is best player, best team, leading the best offense.

It makes total sense. We've seen many like it before. The second one, don't even want to entertain the Kobe shit because Kobe wasn't even second place. He is one of the most misunderstood players. in hindsight in the same way like Chris Paul will be or in the same way that's Draymond Green will be or whoever else you can think of in this era that doesn't have enormous box score stats and everything you talk about what makes him special goes beyond the box score that if you look at like you know you go to some advanced stuff you will see that

impact but most of it is you have to watch him and understand for his era how special he was there's a reason that every offense he touched his prime was one the best in the league that the second one right because obviously Kobe was the who was second LeBron James yeah LeBron got robbed Okay, different conversations. You want to go there? He just don't like Steve Nash. That's who's number two?

Yeah, he got robbed. Exactly. I obviously, I'm always, I'm always stand up for, for Kobe in that specific year just because I would like if Kobe had another one. But it is what it is. I do think that you can, you can't make the argument that LeBron should have won. Sure, he was second place for a reason. There's an argument made.

But the argument isn't somebody else also doesn't an MVP. The argument typically is Steve Nash is overrated. didn't deserve his MVP's and specifically Rob Kobe and Rob Shaq those those talking points. Rob 2005 Shaq in which he was still really good, average 23 points for game, had Dwayne Wade, robbed 2006

Kobe in which, come on. That's really the argument in the lie is that he stole those guys' MVP's and those guys' legacy should be better, but Steve Nash had to get those MVPs because people just wanted him to for whatever reason. Yeah, I'm on the train of fighting for LeBron in this. That's really what this is about. The goalposts were ever needed to shit on Steve Nash.

That's really what we're arguing about at this point. Yeah, it's fair. And this is a bigger, I don't know, there's a feeling that I have with MVPs where even with Kobe and Shaq, like, it's fun to just be like, they were robbed and this and that. Obviously, Steve Ash, amazing player deserves all of them. I will say, and I do think, we use the term, oh, he deserved an MVP a lot. Honestly, not really. Like, people don't really, like, deserve.

in that way of of like oh he should have he should have two he should have three and then now you start giving MVP's kind of retroactively based on what you think should happen if those guys were at that level to win MVP I do feel like the general consensus would give them the MVP and so like we do a lot of mental math for players who who have MVPs and deserve two or three there's only so many awards that can go around that's the point I think I'm really trying to get at is This especially happens in hindsight whenever the arguments in the moment are lost to time because like how could we know how people in the media were talking about the 2005 Phoenix Suns versus to 2005 Miami Heat.

There's a lot of minutiae that goes into it that we're aware of today that we forget about over time because we either don't remember or weren't there that, yeah, a lot of that virtue signaling and my player deserved X amount gets assigned into it. I think more often than not, especially in the modern era, I can't speak for the 80s and 90s back when the media environment was completely different. But I think more often than not today, the players who win the MVP would deserve it. I can't remember one that was truly robbed. We talked about the Yokic Mbid thing.

That's like half joking, half not, because we know Yokch is better. Embed was still very clearly MVP caliber. And there were small differences that went towards Embed. Close vote could have went the other way. It wasn't a robbery. I don't feel like robberies happen these days. That's the only one that I actually do feel like a robbery is that one just because the turn was so drastic of, of, of where the conversation was.

And I can't remember in recent memory, like having a race where it felt very, very pro-yokage. And then you have, obviously, that moment. And then after that's like, oh, actually, we probably should think this other way. That's the only reason why I think that the Embed one is quote unquote robbed. But other than that, I do agree with you. But because, like, we have, people have MVP ladders from day one. Like, we are tracking this thing every single game, every single week.

And the progression of what the MVP and who gets it is very consistent and like, I'm the present. So I do agree that like whoever gets it kind of deserves it. That's the only one. Most of the time people are upset about it. Their properties weren't paying enough attention. Yeah. 2020, they almost tried to do it.

I don't know if y'all remember. Like, Janus was in unanimous MVP conversations. Yeah. And then that one LeBron Laker weekend, man. And then the league shut down. And everyone forgot about that Janus here. But Janus was, I think he should have. been unanimous MVP that year.

That's fair. That's the year he was DPI as well. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. It's tough. 2020 LeBron was special and they were the ones in the West. He was. He was.

And it was like a defensive slanted team while he carried the offense. So I get why he received votes. But that that probably is one of the years that there was never a scenario where I think he was going to win over Janus. It was always a like cute second place thing. Yeah. So that probably is the closest to unanimous I can think of too. I will say that weekend is one of the most memorable weekends of my life.

Oh. of beating the bucks on a Friday night and then beating the Clippers on Sunday and then the world shutting down the next Wednesday. Iconic. There's not a lot of regular season weekends that just stick like that. That's probably the only one that I'm just like,

yeah, this weekend, I don't, like, I'm never going to forget this weekend. You know what the closest thing was in recent years? The Spurs, Molliwaffe in the Thunder twice. Oh, yes. That's another one. That's another one. And last year.

Those don't happen often. though. And wasn't last year, Christmas incredible, too? Remember when we had like 45 or something? Yeah, it was a 40 and 20 games. And there's something else. I remember,

I don't remember exactly the games on top of my head. Wasn't there like four really great Christmas games last year? Probably. So Christmas can have that same power, but that's about it. That's crazy.

But a random game in, what, early March? Yeah. February, crazy. Yeah. All right, well, that's a specific division. Mo, you haven't had a chance to talk at all.

What division you want to do next? Man. Give us your favorite team you got. God damn. I thought this Mike was dead for a second. let's go ahead and talk about the Atlantic Division and I want to start off with the New York Knicks

I'm gonna smack them one of the biggest lies told in NBA history constantly constantly constantly I think as of late probably like tempered down a little bit because of insane embarrassments to happen but one of the biggest lies told NBA history is that stars want to play in New York

that's never been the fucking case there's been no actual evidence to point that to be as the case I think people get confused and they why they see people like Jordan, Kobe, Steph Curry as of late, even when we just talked about it two seconds ago. They come into New York, they drop their dick off, they give you fucking 40, 50 or whatever

and they throw you into that rag in that corner or that sock in the corner however you like to do your business. Superstars like to have one night stands in there. No one likes to stay there. Who are your biggest free agent signs? Julius Randall, Alan Houston. This is true. Shout out to Tyler Tyson. Tyson, Tyson,

Chandler. He was like a DPL Y. Tyler Chandler. But outside of that, Jalen brothers too, of course. But it's like, where is real evidence to allude to that this is where people want to play? Would you like to combine our two teams in this division? Let's do it. Would you like to come together and our takes together for one moment with me? All right. Let's do it. I had the Brooklyn Nets. The biggest lie I told about the Brooklyn Nets is that they're the little brothers in New York. Since 2000, they've been more successful than the Knicks and have been the best team in New York in the last 25 years in the quarter century they have more regularly season

wins more playoff wins more all-star appearances more finals appearances more conference finals appearances oh my head and shoulders the better team for a quarter of a century our entire lives oh my god you lied you didn't what you would you said is a hundred percent true and that is why that is why carmelo anthony hathie holds such a such a a dear place in my heart because Because he was one of the only stars who actually was like, yes, I want, I want to do this. You did not tell a lot. You are straight up alive. The only reason you are straight up line.

The only did the Knicks have is cloutes. Is screaming New Yorkers and orange hats? That is not going to. Since 2000? Now, we're not. Hold on. He's not a conversation. You're right.

Question. Where were the nets in 2000? Two finals appearance. No, no. No. Geographically, where were they? New Jersey. New Jersey.

Okay. Those are very two different things. They are, they are They are not gonna accept that answer. They are. Why? They are. Because there's irrelevant. But is it like the New Jersey

that's like 20 minutes away Madison Square? Yes. It's not even much further. I guess it's different. Brooklyn's not much further. Not much closer. It is different.

Is Brooklyn closer Madison Square Garden? It is. I don't know. They are they are legitimately in a different state with different laws. A different government body.

A different government. He bringing state lines to this conversation. Because. First of all, he tried to cross state lines. Since they moved to Brooklyn, they have not been on anything. They have not been on anything. And the fact that you move into the city, into Manhattan, and you try to be, you know, this little brother, whatever,

that is, that is proof that, like, you can't do it. And to even prove that they are a little brother even more, even if you do say, oh, yeah, we are more successful. Nobody gives a death. You are not the eldest son. You don't get the cop like that. The Knicks do. So either way you spin it, the nets are the little brother in this relationship.

So stop lying. You're making me upset. I don't like it. All I'm here is Richard Jefferson's legacy clears Camelo Anthony's, clears Jalen Brunson's. There's everybody everywhere in a niche. You're going on your left. I'm crying, man.

Okay. What's the next theme in this? Division. Domin, you have one? I have the Philadelphia 76ers. And it is a topical thing. The process was a good thing. That's a lie.

Yeah. It was a lie. I think, obviously, the process allowed other NBA teams to look at themselves and say, yes, we can degrade ourselves just as bad to do what you guys did. We can bust it down and throw it back for draft picks years in and years out.

So you ask you never seen before in your life. You don't know what to do all that. They, listen, the 60 didn't know what to do all that. The Jazz don't know what to do. Every team in the league, the point that we are at today in terms of the Jazz, actively pulling people in the fourth quarter. Obviously, people tanked before the 76ers. It's been a thing.

We've had slogans. Nobody has popular. Yeah, nobody popularized it. Multi-year tanks is a big difference. The way that. that the Sixers did. And for Sam Hinky to come in and say, this is,

this is the plan. Like, we are going to lose. And this is the objective. Is, obviously, it turned out to be a somewhat good thing for the Sixers that you got a star,

you got an MVP in Joel Embed. It's not, it's not a good thing. And it, it's not a good thing. And it's not, like, it's not something that should be,

yeah. Okay. So you're saying, the process. clearly worked. They got two all-stars and another number one pick in Markovolds who should have been really, really good, but got fucked by injuries. It worked in terms of being good for the

Sixers, but you're saying that is completely outweighed by the impact it has larger. So we don't even need to talk about Joel and Beat and Ben Simmons because they are, they're but drops in a bucket of a larger issue that this team completely started. The avalanche that came after them is worse for the lead than anything that could be good for the 76ers. Exactly. I can

understand that because I think we've never seen this level of tanking so far this season. so early into the year with what Utah is doing, considering how actually good this team is. Like Keonti George, no one's calling him an all-star, but we clearly see him going towards that trajectory. Larry Marken already been an all-star.

He has a reputation on this league. And Jordan Jackson Jr. was just DPOI a couple years ago. They can actually compete. So I haven't seen a team this, like, good, ever pull their players of refrain. And for that, you know, I ain't go laugh. I'm Adam Silver. I'm making that call in the night the NBA draft lottery starts.

I'm having, what's the name, Mark Tatum, go ahead and rate the lottery. Call the Utah Jazz at 13, 14, and look the camera dead in their eyes, slowly as possible as menacing as possible to. Just look. Yes, the Utah Jazz. 14.

Yeah. And even. That sounds for five seconds. And even aside from like from the, from the tanking or not aside from it, but another part of it is you are, you have ruined so many players careers. I was,

I do think that on one hand, I think that if you are good, you're going to be good anywhere and that you have an opportunity to develop. A majority, though, of like mid-level guys, you do need just, you need some other mid-level guys around you. Who got the crew in here? You lose me there.

There's like 60, listen, they had a lot of people play. I think the, you're losing there, like, yeah, I ain't a lot. Yeah, you kind of lost me. So I think if you're there. No, because you're, you're setting people up for, for failure. No, come on.

Come on. These are men that guy. They probably got opportunities after or before. I'm not going to go there. If you can't, one, if you can't get buckets and show your skills there when the coach doesn't want you to win, he wants you to go out there and do the best you can. There's nobody there there to help you. I think if you were there in the first place, your career is probably already down the winds.

I'm not saying, I'm not saying like that some potential superstars were ruined. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying like regular role player guys who obviously are not going to be like, you know, max level guys. I'm sure. anybody who deserve another chance got one after this. Yeah, if you're a productive player

need like actual good situations to develop. Yeah, these players are regardless of the league next year. If you're not just out of the league next year, if you're going to get more chances. Yeah, the G league system is exhaustive now. You're going to go in the G league. You can get another chance another team on a two-way contract.

Yeah, key weight now, not in not like in 2010 and in 2011. Well, they weren't 10. It was really, you know, it was really 14, 15, 16 is this happening. And I think in 2016, you've got a chance. Even in that time, the G-League,

The G league hasn't been great for like, when I can act like the G league is some amazing lead that like So I think you're, no one's like it's an amazing Amazing developmental league But it is pretty good. It is. It is a very good tool like getting yourself another chance of getting a low level contract

Improving yourself. I do. I know I do think that like people Especially if you are not like amazing. Can you name any? Huh? Can you name any? I have to look at.

Dude something like you. You can't. I don't think you actually can. Maybe there's like a few players specifically who already had like a poor reputation and they already like got tossed to. tossed aside of the way and they were just already done the whims in their career but someone like I don't know Jordan

Poole yo he was on the Washington for a couple of years no one gave a damn it people actually thought less of him in that like actually ruined his reputation yo he's on the nuanced Pelicans even with his reputation he's still not on nothing but that's a lot of it's because of him a lot of it's because the lack of defense he's playing a lot of because he just simply can't get buckets like he used to

he's not efficient at all and he has better players around him he just isn't good meanwhile there's someone like I don't know. Kyle Anderson, who was on the Utah Jazz, he was actively not playing minutes for like four or five games stretches. And he'd come in, play 20 minutes, and then he'll be super productive.

They had to trade us away to the Memphis Grizzlies. And someone like Carl Anderson, he's a good NBA player. He's going to get minutes. He's been getting minutes. He's additive. So that's why I disagree with that because I think it's solely on the player. They're not grown men. Even Jordan Paul right now is 26.

Like he's still like a fairly, obviously like an NBA at this kind of like middle age, whatever. But like, there's still like a young age. And what you're, but what you're saying is Jordan Poole was on this, was on this trajectory, got shipped to Washington where they weren't on anything. Now he's in, in New Orleans where they're not on, on anything. That's his fault, though. No, I mean, yes, it is, it is like on him. I'm not going to put it 100% on him.

I do think that guys. 1,000% on him. No, I'm not going to put it 1,000% on it. A million percent on him. Do you have better players around you? Jordan Poo. Okay. I understand your point.

Jordan Poole is a terrible example. It's one million percent on Jordan Poole. Like, there are, there are players that if they were in better, in better situations, they could be solid, solid role players. Sure, but that's not what you've posed. You said the process of ruin players careers. Jordan Poole will get another opportunity than the team at some point. And if he can prove when he goes to Team X that he still got it a year from now or whatever

may be, he'll have that opportunity. The play opportunities will be awarded Jordan Poole. His career isn't over yet. And I just think that's more likely to happen. I mean, but now you're asking, but now you're asking for those certain guys who have been in these, like, loser franchises. I think someone who could fit that role is. And it is hard.

Like it is hard for guys to go from doing one style of basketball to another. Obviously, there are people who can do it and those people do do rides above. I think that there is a class though that does suffer from, hey, everybody in this building sucks at their job and nobody's going to be here in five years. And we're all intentionally trying to lose. I do think that everybody loses from that. I know your point. It is like something to overcome. I think if you're good enough,

like it's not impossible to overcome. There are many things that are hard to overcome in sports and that's the job. That's what the money's for. That's what the hard work is for. So I don't think that's a, it's nowhere near enough of a, like, death sentence to a career.

I'm going to point to it as part of thing. I still think that it is, it is part of tanking of like, we're just building a factory of guys who. Sure, but there's also opportunity you're worried teams when you have no, like predetermined. and star players in your team.

Like, there's pros and cons to it. Like, there's pros and cons to everything. Yeah, like someone like Bruce Brown, who was obviously super impactful when Nicole Yokens, and we can talk about whether he's in his value with Yokic is inflated or not. That's not the conversation here. He's a good player. But the second that he got a big back from,

I think it was the Indiana Pacers, no one cared about him anymore at all. He was not acting. He wasn't viewed the same at all. And now that he's outside of that conversation, and now he's back with Yokich and all that. And even after that, like, I think, did he go back to the,

Brooklyn Nets? No. No, he was, the hell? He was straight to them. He went to the Pacers. Yeah, he was straight to the Pacers, and then he was a Toronto Raptor,

played a little bit there. And overall, like, he's a player where I view him. That website's been down all day also, by the way. But he's also been, he's one of those players where it's like, you're good.

You're just in, like, a terrible situation. Next team, Boston Celtics. I'm going to go towards a current day conversation for the Boston Celtics. Hmm. The one lie being told right now. Jalen Brown is the only reason they're still good and he's an MVP candidate because of it.

I think this is the most outlandish crock of shit I've heard from a media push in a long time because the Boston Celtics media ecosystem is extremely strong and can push awards like no other. This is so much bigger than Jalen Brown. And that's a point to basic on-off numbers because basic on off numbers don't tell the whole story. They're worse than without.

And that's not because Jailen Brown makes a team worse. You watch the games. You can see he makes their half-board offense much, much better. But they're just that goddamn good at so many lineups that the data can be skewed because they have so many bench lineups that are murdering other teams' benches.

This is a Joe Mazula, Derek White, Payne Pritcher, Jordan Walsh, everybody else you can name on this roster up and down. This is a collective effort that is remarkable. And I think the award push that needs to be happening is Joe Mazula for Coach of the Year. The idea that Jalen Brown is the only reason or even a reason that's bigger

than the sum of the other smaller reasons is outlandish to me. I agree. I thought you was going to hate like crazy. That's valid. That's valid. Can't even disagree. I'm hating on the MVP conversation for Jalen Brown.

That shit is ridiculous. If that would be one of the most hilarious top two MVP votes I've ever seen. I think it's kind of dead though now. Good. Stupendous. All I'm hearing is reality is going to work. Great. Great player, having a great year.

Top 15 player in the world this current season. Top 25 any other year. Like he's always going to be in its upper echelon of also level players that deserves props for scaling up and usage and having such a great shot-making season. So it's not to take away from Jalen Brown. It's just to say that Boston media will glaze harder than anybody's ever glades in the world and take everything too far. It is a great season. Push to all-N-Ba if you'd like.

If that becomes second or third team all-N-Ba for Jailan-Brown, awesome. The MVP shit was crazy. He should definitely be all-N-B-A. Yeah. Like he's on my all-N-B-A team. He's tied with Wemby right now for the fourth best odds. To win MVP? Yeah, to win MVP.

Well, usually there's not four real candidates. So I guess that's fine. Now, there's six guys that because there's two guys tied for third. and then Wembe and Jalen Brown and tied for fourth. So he's, yeah, he's right now basically, you know, on the ballot. Can you get a like a top five vote and basically be that? I'm with that. Yeah, I don't think that that's crazy.

Yeah, if you give him fifth place in your vote just because somebody has to get it or fourth place even. Okay. But like if anybody were to give him a first place vote, you're a wasting your vote. That's outlandish. Like that's crazy to give him a first place vote. When Shay is alive, obviously Yonkich just missed a lot of games. He'll probably come back and start playing better when he gets healthy. and be yokish as we know to know to be and make the threshold.

When those two players are alive to even talk about Jalen Brown as an MVP, it's just pure make a wish. So you're saying that. Yeah. You're saying that Tracy McGrady is throwing away his hypothetical vote? Oh, 100. Yes. Yeah, he's throwing in the goddamn dumpster.

And you know what? Every year you need some make a wish votes. At least like show a level of appreciation. No, you don't. You're doing Justin Herbert? We're talking about. That is one of the biggest lies of all time that you need to give people first. First place votes to show your admiration.

No, you do not. You see what I'm talking about? No, you do not. Giving somebody a first place vote means that you think that they should win the award. Exactly. And you can give them the admiration by saying you are on the ballot. You can put them second, third, fourth, fifth. That's fine.

But the number one vote, first place votes, one, now you're messing with the awards. Now you're messing with history. People like you, people with that mindset, mess up everything. That's one of the biggest. That's one of the biggest lies. That's one of the biggest lies that people have convinced themselves to believe that they have to do this in order to give Jalen Brown some credit. Put them all on NBA and call it a day.

Like you don't have to vote for him to win MVP. But let me clarify, you wouldn't have a problem if they truly believed it though. They just shouldn't. No, if you believe that you're insane. Yeah, if you truly believe it. If you truly believe it, well, if you truly believe it, then I do not have a problem with you giving, him your vote. However,

I will judge you because you believe. Because you're a casual. Yeah. But I respect by respect the principle of you voting on what you believe. Yeah, I'm like I agree. I agree. Vote with your heart, vote with your mind, whatever it means. But if your conclusion that you draw at the end of this season is that

Jaylen Brown is the most deserving MVP candidate in the NBA, I would no longer be asking you your opinion on deserving MVP candidates in the NBA. Yeah, that's obviously insane. But long term looking at it like through like NBA history, standpoint, unanimous, not unanimous MVP, as long as the actual player, like, deserving player gets it. That's all that matters at the end of day. First place, second place, voice votes, I don't care. But I think

for like the average fan in through NBA history, it's good to see those subtle reminders like, oh shit like this dude did have like a very good specific. Now, I know, I do care because of people like you, that would be like Paul George, third best player in the world forever, 208 teams. I hate that we get people those stamps. Well, that's just like highlighting the peak of his career. That's all it is. Yeah. I'm kidding. But the Paul George part. But Yeah, not too much. I hate the incessant need to like give people make a wish

MVP conversation votes. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I wouldn't hate that if Paul George himself didn't say my MVP year. True. Maybe he made a wish. What did he say that? Yes.

On his podcast, he said that. He said back of my MVP year. He was so and so, so and so. He said my MVP years. That's the only reason why I hate on on 2018 Paul George is because he said my MVP year. Wow. Fair. Toronto Raptors, last team in this division.

I don't have much for them. I really struggled We never have anything And it's just because like lies is hard For the Raptors specifically They are a young team that's People just don't be lying on them Like really at all

I got an all time question for you Go for it, all time tell me 2019 Kauai Was that the best player in the world At that point in time Because a lot of Raptors fans do believe that At that time I remember a lot of people Were calling him the best player in the world

And if you want to hate on Kauai That could be a good lie Because people weren't pushing that into the summer when he went through Clippers. Yeah. That was a thing. I think it was a fine nod. What he did?

LeBron was still better. Curry was so better. So he wasn't if I'm doing the rankings. But for how Best in the World is talked about and that history he made, I was okay with it. It's whatever. But if you want to point to that as being a lie, I can understand that. Yeah. I think 2019 is one of those moments where because LeBron got hurt and missed the playoffs.

Yeah. And so that's normally where, like, Best in the World gets stamped. And Katie was out with Achilles. Yeah, so you have, you have those two things. So if there was like a physical belt, it was vacant. And so I guess Kauai filled it for that, for that year. Yeah. And anytime somebody who wins the title, wins final MVP and they are like a top 10 guy,

in my opinion, listen, you can have it for the summer. That's all, that's all you. And then the moment October hits, hey, man, get right back to your place in life. Yeah, that was my viewpoint. That was like, okay, just say it for the summer, whatever. Like, I don't talk about best in the world in this way. Like, I'm not going to say he's dethrone LeBron in terms. he's really falling off, but I get it.

If I wasn't go the other way, I would say one of the bigger lies is that the 2019 Raptors weren't a championship caliber team because some haters that were like, Raptors are boring, yon will point to the injuries of Clay Thompson and Kevin Durant in the final series and be like the frauds. But that's not pervasive enough for me to really pick that on here. That's just like a couple haters. I think most people respect the 2019 Raptors. Okay.

So what I put the biggest lie is that Evan Moblee lapsed Scottie Barnes and it's no longer a conversation. Oh, you're trying to go right out. Yeah, so I went to right now. And to expand that, I think one of the biggest lies is that, after last year, Scotty Barnes fell off of being someone that's talked about as like a young future superstar or like one of the best power fours in the league. All that was proven to be alive this year. And he's right back to being extremely extremely good.

Okay. And in conversation for second best player in fact class after Cade. Wow. Yeah. You've always been a very big Scotty guy. So it doesn't shock me. But also it's true because Evan Mobley hasn't laughed to anybody. Fair.

So maybe you can call it more about Evan Mobley, but on the point to his board. about Scottie Barnes having a bounce back year, but he's no longer playing the worst offensive system I could ever imagine for him. Yeah, that's fair. Also, that's not where I thought you were going to go with this lie. I thought you were going to go with the lie that,

or the lie that you believe that DeRosen was better than DeLauri all time. Oh, well, that's just not even worth punching down anymore. That's just not even worth punching down. I mean, this is what it is. Actually, I think history's remember tomorrow a little better than it was in the moment because I think people were forgetting,

I think people that weren't around for 2015 through 18, just think about like, oh, LeBron beat everybody up in that era. It's fine, right? That just is what it is. It's like, no, he beat them. And like, that guy played fucking awful every time. And, like, he was, he would get the heat for being a playoff troker if anybody gave a fuck about him.

If anybody cared about his legacy. But people stop talking about him because the king stuff has gone so poorly that he's out of mind now. So people don't bother to talk down on Demar because, like, why would you? He's just a swell, awesome professional. No one's comparing him to anybody. So there's no need to be mean. Yeah. So to me that argument just kind of is what it is.

He said they got LeBron, y'all. Yeah. I mean, what do you want me to do? They got LeBron. If you're going to win too. Get a bucket. He ended the conversation himself. I'm like, okay, I just don't got to compare you to anybody anymore.

You're no longer in Paul George conversations. Yeah. That's fair. Damn. That is the end of the Atlantic Division. Moving on, Mo, pick the next one. Let's do the Central Division. Okay.

So I think I got two teams here, or is it three? Got three teams. Holy shit. All right. First one, let's start with the Chicago Bulls. My biggest lie is more. all time skewed. And it is that Michael Jordan back in the year 1988 did not deserve his defensive prayer of the year award. That's a lie or you're saying he didn't deserve it? He didn't

deserve it. People saying that he deserved it, that's a lie. He did not deserve it at all. He did not deserve that award at all because some of the issues that I saw, we've seen it over the last few years. I think it happens more often not across like all superstars. So it's not like singular to him. But it stands out like a motherfucker because it's like some of the most. egregious stat inflation that we've seen in NBA history. The last time we've seen like people call stat inflation was just a couple years ago when Jaron Jackson Jr. won his DPOY. People were pointing to his block numbers and also like pointed out that, yo,

his block numbers are kind of crazy whenever he's at home in Memphis versus when he's away. And the same thing points to Michael Jordan in an even more disgusting way. When he was at home back in 1988, he averaged two blocks and four steals a game. when he's away, those numbers are literally cut in half. He was comfortable. That is disgusting. Now, I will say he's easily like one of the greatest shot blocking guards of all time. That's fine.

One of the better defenders of all time, too. That is perfectly fine. But we all know when it comes to just how like the natural format of the game is and what levels of defenders are important and who's more most impactful on the court. It's always going to be the bigger guys. There's always going to be the center. It's always going to be probably the four or whatever. Never the fucking guard.

He's one of the biggest lies in history. Who should have wanted? Anyone else but him. Anyone else but him. You know where I like. Pure agenda pushing. Donovan, do you have a team in the Central Division? I do.

I have the Detroit Pistons. The lie is that Isaiah Stewart deserves to be locked up for the fight. We are next. So this episode is coming out today. Tomorrow at All-Star Weekend in L.A. we are putting together a beef stew walkout. We are hitting up the NBA celebrity all-star game. We are meeting there.

That's the meat point. And we will protest. I'm processing. We throwing hands. Isaiah. Just a brawl outside. It will not be a peaceful protest. We are.

We are fighting for the right. For Isaiah's story, he got suspended seven games. I'm on his side. I think he should be free. I think that everything he did. listen, it was right. It was for the people, it was for his teammates. And he said, he said, he said, why was I drafted to Detroit then? Exactly. He's just a man doing his job. NBA Players Association, please get on this.

Make sure that he does not pay a dime in fines. Isaiah Stewart, you are a hero, and I stand with you. You do not deserve to be locked up, sir. Free him. Cade cover, man. Exactly. Cade, cover. Yeah. Free him to cover it. Cover one. tag team that's like 700K he's going to be missing oh shit three him

700K it's a lot of money I know it's like nothing to them relatively speaking not that's 700 K that's like that's a lot man that hurts he's not on a super max contract now 700K that hurts that's a seven game that's almost a tenth of his yearly salaries geez damn bro that's

what one ninth of his yearly salary that's Jesus yeah can't cover that man cover that man all right my next team here. We can talk about the Milwaukee Bucks. My biggest lie told about them is people are saying that this duo didn't work. It did. They're just easily one of the more unfortunate duos in NBA history because of injury issues. Every single time they're on the court, of course, like it never idealized in the way which we wanted and how everyone like romanticized and fantasize

how this picker-roll duo between Janus and Dame was going to be unstoppable and all that. It wasn't that, but in terms of them actually being productive on the court, They weren't. They just never got the opportunity to because 2024 comes around. By the way, 2023, Yannis is out for the entire playoff run against Miami. He or basically the entire playoff run because of bad contusions. Two and 24 comes around. He's hurt again because of, I think it is like Achilles soreness. Dame also, he's there, but Chris Middleton's there as well. So they're never healthy for that. And the 2025 comes around. Of course, we all know what happens. Yonis is there, but Dame has to bow back through into the playoffs.

with dealing, I think it was blood clots. And then he came back into it just to blow his Achilles again. The team was productive. Whenever it was him and Janice, they were like a plus nine on the court. That was their best lineups routinely. And even on top of that, when it was him, Janus, and Chris Middleton, which is really just for

only one year, they were a fucking plus 15. These guys never sniffed a minute on the playoffs in the playoffs together at all because someone's always out. It's easy one more unfortunate stories. So do you think that people, especially when you have people as talented, as Janice and Dane,

can you be underwhelming and still successful? I think, because Janice is so, like, all time, I think, like, that level of underwhelming to worry like, you don't even, like, sniff a conference finals at all, no. But to say, I think you could be underwhelming, but it also could work.

But the result is underwhelming, yes. I see. They, so they fired Adrian Griffin. They were 30 and 13. Yeah. They went 17. and 19 under Doc Rivers, under 500. Yeah.

Even if they went, they went two and one under the, under the interim, still, still puts them a game under 500. And I think throughout that same season, too, I think that's a moment where they decided to get off of Chris Middleton as well, which is like, whenever he was at his last legs and you traded for Kuzma for more just juice, athleticism, rebounding and all that, but that clearly didn't work. Do you think they worked? I don't know.

talk about it so much. No, they weren't amazing together, but you're right, they weren't as they're probably talked about as being a complete whiff and it being a total mistake and so forth, when that's not the case. It's not the biggest deal in the world that it didn't work because injuries were the main reason why they got absolutely nothing done in the playoffs. And I think they would have won a playoff series. They would have made some type of run if they stayed healthy. I don't know if we ever saw it be quite dynamic enough between the two for me to believe that they would have had the championship caliber teams that we would have hoped they could get to when we saw the trade happen, that's where I'm kind of, to me, the measure of success would have

been winning another ring. And I don't feel like I saw enough to feel good enough about their duo that I could tell myself, if they said healthy, they would do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. More so, this is just about like these two in general, like not working together whenever we hear, I feel like whenever I hear them talked about today, people talk about it as if it's Joel and Bede and Ben Simmons, they're just like zero chemistry or synergy. There's a little bit there. It's not as much as you wanted, but. Yeah, it's more nuanced to it than that. Question. Obviously, you're going to lose either way.

You are not winning a championship. Would you rather have the unsuccessfulness of the bucks and have like two years of that where you can hang on to that or have the super like flashing a pan and then fleeting moment of the Nets? Do I want to get punched in the face or punching the gut? I don't know. Both suck. I don't want either.

Yeah, I think probably the Brooklyn Nets because whenever these guys were healthy, you could clearly see how they're like actually unstoppable on the court versus when it comes to Janus. There's so many like other flaws and holes into that team. I'm going to take the net situation because I got the trade all three versus one guy who tore as Achilles and one guy who refuses to let the trade happen. I'll go the one that I can slow my way out of. Who has the Indiana Pacers? I do. What do you have for them? My biggest lie for them pertains to something that happened I think a year ago now. Yes, correct a year ago. Biggest lie for the Pacers.

is that Pascal Seaccom deserve the Eastern Conference Finals MVP. Now, of course, that doesn't really matter. No one's ever going through the list of Easter Conference or Western Conference Finals MVP at all. I am. But to go ahead and push their propaganda and believe that Pascal Seacom was the best player, who they face off in the Eastern Conference Finals with?

The Knicks. The Knicks. To go ahead and say that. He knew that. To go ahead and say that is disgusting work. And I think this season, let alone, shows you how, important and impactful Tyre's Haliburton is. So never got

that award. Yeah, that was some hate. In the moment, it was some hate. It was because Tyrese Halliburton had some pretty bad scoring games, I remember correctly. And I think at that series, Yacom had a pretty efficient, like, 22 points your game or something like that. And it was obviously defending well. But it was more about some Tyres Halliburton

stinkers, I believe. You're correct. Your correct to us. But I think he's one of the few players in the league where, you know, like, you don't have to average, like, an efficient 18 points a game for us to necessarily win at all because of how much he just keeps the soldiers in line and how he just keeps the offense is constantly revolving and moving and gets people easier looks yeah okay who has the cleveland cavaliers i think i do too now honestly i had one conversation that i want to talk about which was

just like the whole evamobily thing and how everyone shits on him entirely too much my biggest lie was that you know 18 and 8 man is still elite no matter what context you want to put him i'm just loosely say this i think over the last 10 drafts he would still easily go be I don't know if I would say like a top three pick because this specific draft class is stacked But he would easily still be like without a doubt a top four pick He's a routine all-star he's a capable offensive in the last 10 In the last 10 years I can no he's saying in every specific draft class not overall Yeah in the last 10 draft class he would at least be he made it sound like it was a pool 10 draft classes

That would be crazy no no no three job three job class in a row number four Edvin Borgia And it's like third call-a-fambers No, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah. I misspoke. 30 Hall of Baby. I was like,

Wemby flag just went. That's one and two gone. No. No, no, yeah, I misspoke. But over the last. Tatum, don't fuck yourself. Anthony Edwards die slow.

No, that's ridiculous. Webbie. Shee? Take a hike. Jeez. It'll redraft two. Luca. I'm not killing Shea either, man.

That's ridiculous. But no, to your point. Yes, it is a lie to Evan Moby's some of scrub or that it's like Emmobie's disappointment now or all this stuff It has been strangely exaggerated I don't really understand why you're a munching bro. Bro, he tried to throw love at Evan Moby and end up being

I'm trying to defend it He completely missed the assignment Oh my gosh No, I really don't understand why FMU's got this treatment It's so weird how Mubli has been treated like a bum Because he didn't make a year four leap Like he's cabs bam I can't remember this happening

He's better than Cavs Bam I really can't remember this happened Another player that's so uncontroversial Like there's some players like number one overall And like scores that play poorly And you're gonna get shit on like it comes the territory Like Zion now Who's still like a

Or maybe Zion last year I should say because he's pretty bad right now Who's still a good player That's can criticize for not being one best in a world like we thought and so forth. FMO was just existing, being an elite defender and a decent score and people were acting like he all of a sudden got way worse.

Have you, how, who else has happened to? It's so weird. Yeah, it's not a lot of people. It is frustrating though, because I think,

sure, sure. You got taken with the third overall picking in the draft. Like, these are, that's a great thing. These are, these are franchise altering picks. And obviously he is,

DPI. I understand like he is a, he's a franchise player. Like, he is some, somebody where even if the cabs blew it up today they're keeping Evan moving. They're trading demyst and trading Jared Allen

to see what they can get for Hardin again. But like... I think so by that definition, he's still like a franchise altering pick. Now like he's not franchise altering in a way where he's like the superstar but he definitely like makes you think about how

differently you want to make your moves in the future. Yeah. It's weird. It comes and goes, you know, just narratives, reputations. I think the problem is when you look at when you look at Evan Mowgli. So, okay. Oh my gosh.

18, 18 points a game. Cool. Solid. And then you look at the list of guys who are scoring 20 a game. And it's like, can you get to 20? Especially in this league. Like right now, bro, Dylan Brooks is averaging 20. Mickey Alexander Walker is averaging 20.

Cooper Flagg. Like, there are, there are. Anybody can average 20. There are 33 guys in the league right now, averaging 20 points a game. Well, I mean, they're not playing next to a dumb. Mitchell. There are 45 players in the league right now average more points per game than ever more. That's the frustrating part.

Yeah. That's where it is. But you see what that's silly, like in practicality. That is a frustrating bar for people. But that's like, it's kind of ridiculous. Who cares? Edmob is the 45th best score. Like to be the 45th best score and the fifth best defender is a pretty great player.

Yeah. No one drafted him to be like this hell. Like when he was drafted, bro, he was getting Chris Bosch comparisons. Chris Bosch, of course he average 20. I get it. I know. Chris Bosch did it. I get it.

That's how it's it. I get it. That was a bad. But more so, he was compared to, like, a late career, Chris Ball. This is not going to work today. Maybe there are. You will not be as a lawyer, dog. Come on.

Even Kaz Bam. Bam, Matabiles averaging more points than ever more points than ever move in right now. Is he? Yes. How many averaging? Bam is at 18. Why are we accepting this framework? Like, he's not playing with Donovan Mitchell.

Because it's funny. He's not joking. No, because you're actually. Like you don't act like okay just because you have one good player now nobody else can eat Nobody else can eat nobody else can eat well there was also Garland pre-in nobody else can Jared Allen doubt yeah like he's averaging 12 points There's a lot of people over there but that could be him that's the point exactly Darius Garland has eight toes Jared Allen is not a score why are you not averaging 20s why are you not doing this

It's it's annoying I told you wasn't joking I'm not joking He's still great. Is it unfair for me to say, you're great? You should still average 20 when your entire team is in the sham. Yes, it's unfair for that to be the difference of team being a bum and being the next top 10 players. Well, you act like he's scoring 12 points. That's wrong. It's unfair.

It's a two points difference. It's unfair for two points for game to be the difference. I just saw Jared Allen score 40 last week, bro. You got to get your game up, man. Oh, my God. I'm a don't know on this one, man. Step your game of Evan Mowler. God.

Northwest Division. It was easy for Allen to. It was easy. What did they play the Wizards or something? I forgot who they played. No, they played the Blazers. Bro, he gave Donovan Klingham and Clingham buckets. Oh my goodness.

Who? Jared Allen. Oh, okay. Killed him. That's why James Harden. I've changed a big life. Pump, pump fakes, big, no, it was pre-James. No, he dropped 40 with James, I thought.

No, they didn't play the blades. He got 40 again? They didn't play the movies. Maybe I'm mistaken that. He just had a monster game with James Hardin. Yes. the second game, do you went crazy?

Yes. Maybe I'm mistaken in the 41 game you're talking about. But he did just have another crazy game. But also Jared Allen's just dope as fuck.

No, he's nice. Jared Allen's so underrated. Yeah, so Hardin, I think Hardin's only played two games with them so far

and it was against the Wizards and then the first game was against the Kings. Going off. Yeah. I mean, I saw his dad. He changed Jared Allen's life in these two games.

He is. Jared Allen had, oh, he had 22, 21, 29, his last three games. Jesus. So why can't that be ever moody? Come on. Yeah.

He hasn't played. That's my point. He hasn't played any of these games yet. That's my point. That's a stupid fucking point. How many times this year has Evan Mowbril scored 30? How many times he played center next to James Hardy? No, time out.

How many times has he scored 30? Zero. Two. Zero. What does that mean? In the 24 playoffs, I think when Jared Allen went down and Evan Mowgli played the five, he did look better. So maybe Jared Allen is holding.

That's 100%. If Evan Mowley was playing center full-time, I promise you would average 20. Like that literally is a difference in 20 and 18. He's giving you like 24 a game minimum. Well, okay, calm down. That's what he did against the series against Boston Celtics when Jared Al was up. Minimum?

Yeah, I've seen that. Why are you doing this happen? I'm not lying. I've seen this happen with my own view. It has. He might be a top four pick in the last 10 years. You're right. We are not lying right now.

He did do that. But for age you came season, I'm not saying minimum 24. 2410 D.P. O. Y. That's Wemby. That's Baby Weimby. That's Anthony Davis. Right now, right now. The Wembe is crazy. Kiatte George is averaging 23.8 points per game.

Wembe is averaging 24. You're saying 24 being the floor means that he should be working. If you play what James Tarton for an entire season, I think you would have a swimming. I don't care about none of this is. 24 or whatever it is. He's getting more bucket. He could touch 24.

And if there's no Donvin Mitchell. him and James Hardin. Sure. But minimum is where you lose me. Sure. Because minimum implies a maximum that has to be meaningfully better. Maybe a year where he gets 30. I don't know.

Okay. Northwest Division, finally. Utah Jazz, first team. I'm trying. The biggest lot about Utah Jazz in the last 15 years is that Rudy Gobert couldn't defend on the perimeter and got played out of the playoffs every year. That's one of the most successful. Successful lies ever told in sports because everybody believes it.

Every casual fan believes to their bones that Rudy Gaubert is a bitch that could not defend in the playoffs. And it's outlandish because he's one of the best perimeter defending Bigman for his size of all time. He's truly great for a seven foot two player at defending on the perimeter. And somehow he gets known as a guy who can't do it at all. Yeah, man, I lost the war, but I won that battle. Did you move the war really? People still like, people still move. You got soldiers.

bro, you'll never I'm still in it. I'm still in it. It's over. You won. He will never shake his reputation. He forever has no feet, can't move, can't do anything, no skill, terrible DIPOI, should him with the dream on.

All of this will forever be said about Rudy Cooper. And you know what? If you're telling me that, listen, perception is reality. That's the truth. But like, people don't know. This is one of the best pick and roll defenders of all time because he couldn't guard Prime James Hardin. Can't be on the perimeter.

Couldn't guard Prime Steve Curry. Can't defend on the perimeter. Man get out of you You know what tells me they keep showing that clip of Luca With the step back then I'm like Oh he can't he can't guard Luca The harsh shit He's right there

Crazy shots to hit like Lucas one the best shot makers of all time Luke Adam's stumbling Of course you did he's Luca He should have put up Paul George man He should have put the Paul George It's a bad shot No that would meet things a million times

It's not perplexing because I get it he's unlikable in like social media age, social media age. But it is going to be one of the worst reputations of all time because he truly is one of the 10 to 15 grades defenders of all time. He's going to get it. I mean, he has the DPOI's the back. I do think there's going to be once we get a little bit removed from it. And because again, like you said, he is a little bit unlikable.

Once we stop seeing Rudy Gobert like all the time and you start looking back, he's like, oh, this guy was. I don't know, though. Because that only happens when you have like highlights to go to or like numbers to go to and be like, he was a. pocket. No one's for the unsurface information about Rudy Gobert. Oh, I miss Rudy Gobert. I don't know if that's going to happen. There's not going to be

nostalgia push. He's a player that his reputation when he retires will last forever. I guarantee it. No, I think one would be might change that. He might change it for the French all around. Okay. Everybody gets roasted and glasses to the French. Probably not though. Rudy Gobert. You're probably never going to want to go internet as long as you live. What universe are you on?

Who has a Minnesota Timberwolves? I got the Timberwolves. Um, the biggest lie I told. Remember when the car and the trade, car and the town's trade happened a couple years ago. And for the most part, the majority and me majority was like, uh, kind of puzzling move. You had the most success on your, on your, for your team like history, basically. And you made the East Carpins finals or West Carman's finals was the first time in a long ass time. We all didn't like it.

The biggest I told that was a bad trade. Obviously hindsight now and seeing how things have been progressing for both teams, Minnesota, Sembrose and the New York Knicks and seeing how the, the legal overall has a specific scope on car nancy towns and how far you can get with him clearly the minnesota timber was sold as high as possible at that point in time and they got julius randall dante de vincenzo who were way more additive to consistent playoff basketball than what car netherie towns let alone can do for you so that was a magnificent trade back back then and now i'm looking at even i'm looking right now he's even better magnificent i'm a calm down on that part, but you are right. It's certainly... Magnificent, especially when you talk about the contract that he's in bade

and how it's like basically movable. Yeah, they certainly didn't lose the trade, like it was thought day one. So yeah, that was definitely a lie told. So easy one right there. OKC Thunder. Who was them? That is me. What is the biggest lie told about the OKC Thunder? That they are still the overwhelming favorite

to win the title this year. I don't... I don't think that they should be looked at as. You say that, but like, everybody in the Nuggets keeps dying. We keep talking with them as a sleeping giant when they get healthy. they're never healthy. Yokch's coming back from injury does not look good for Yokish standards.

Every two weeks, a new player tears their hamstring it feels like if we're going to criticize OKC for not putting it together, same thing for the Nuggets. So if we're going to ignore that too, who else really scares you? I think... No one in the West for real.

There's really nobody in the East either. Then everybody's at the same place. And I think that's kind of... Ten, if everyone was the same place and there's a lot of caveats, and I'm still going to Thunder. I think... And that's for you

because you are believing the lie. They like I think for the J-Dub injury and the J-Dub just seasoned as a whole I think is one of the more scary things that I'm looking at for them just because his wrist it's probably going to be cooked for a while. Hold on. It's the wrist. He's had hamstring injuries. Like it's so much going on with him. The Shay that has the abstring. That should be fine.

But there's ways where it can it can be a very quick injury or this could be something that that lingers. just feel like with them there's a lot of there's a lot more injury stuff to their top two guys to go along with the fact that their shooters are not shooters and in the in the playoffs like you do need a lot from them right now chet chet's also like we just had that that whole eva mowgli conversation yeah chet is like a diet kind of version of that where you know there is some idealized version of chet where he's averaging like 25 and doing all this other stuff that's not again that's not like going to happen this year but to be that like that's not like that's not like going to level of a score and doing all that, that leap isn't necessarily.

You said this year, it's never going to happen. It's the same thing with Mowgli. These bigs are not Kevin Durant. They're never going to average 25. That's not their games. Now, I'm not saying also, not everybody has to get Hesi twin cross cross to score 25. You can get 25 in different ways. Oh my gosh.

How many centers right now are average 25? Not many. Probably just two. I don't know women's average 25 right now. I'm just saying I do think. for these people who are great talents. I don't think it's unfair to say, to say like you can be a better,

a better score and, and to push back on the idea of, oh, you are not this like ball dominant KD type player. It is okay. Make this clear. It's the definition of unfair. To say just because you're good, you should average 25.

Just because you're talented top player that you should automatically be this level of score, that is the definition of unfair. These are defensive first big men who are not great ball handlers. They're never going to average. lead ball handle the type of scoring averages. I'm not going to lie.

Unbelievably unfair. The day I see someone like Chet Hongram at averaging 25, his team's probably not like a top four or five seed in any conference. Like these guys should never be asked to average 25. For both of those guys,

we're just trying to get to 20. That's fine. At this point in time, we are just trying to get to 20. If Chet went from what he was doing last year to 25, he's most improved player. Yeah. And so I understand that.

I'm just throwing out 25 because that's a big number. In my head represents score. But even I saw that just 25. To your point, the idea these guys need to be elite scores is unbelievably unfair. That's just not their games. I'm saying for the Thunder specifically this year, you do, even if you are not an elite score, I would like to see just a little bit more production offensively from, from Chet, given the rest of the roster construction, knowing that you are a defense-oriented

team and Shea is your bucket-getter. You have a, you have, you just got Jeremy Kane for some ball handling for some shooting, all that stuff. But now that if we're going to go into the playoffs and think that we're going to play into June and Jalen Williams and everything in his body just might be cooked for this year and it might just be a next year thing. Other people are going to have to step up. Obviously, you don't have to score 25 like Shea.

Shea's going to score 33 a night. It's going to be like that. But everybody is going to have to score a little bit more. Kays and Wallace, you're going to have to score nine instead of eight. Like, I say, Joe, you're going to have to hit one more three. Everybody's going to have to pitch in a little bit more. And so because of that and because I'm looking at the Thunder this year and because I'm looking at Chet and I'm not seeing that, I'm looking at O'KCN, I'm looking at everything that they provide. And I see them as one of the teams that can compete at the top.

And I look at Denver and obviously they have, they have injury concerns of themselves. They also have the best player in the world. And I'm more likely to believe that once we get to. to the playoffs, Yokic is going to be fine. And he's going to be Yokic. And if he, if Yokic is not Yokic and he's still having off games and all this stuff for the

entire playoffs, I will be shocked. Yeah. Well, same things you said about Shay. And to the J-Dup point, he just missed three weeks of the hamstring. He said his wrist is better now that that three weeks was really important for him

because that's the first time he actually was able to spend time rehabbing the risk. Because before, you know, it was just waiting for it to heal, couldn't do a whole lot. That's why he was so bad. He said in those three weeks he missed with the hamstring, he really got his shooting back. And in two games, since he came back, he's been shooting goddamn lights out,

scoring better closer to J-dub. Now, what that being said in his last game, he went out with a hamstring injury again. It looked like a slight tweak. But we don't know that that was like a serious thing. It was just a precaution. So to be determined there, all-star break is coming up. Like, hopefully the hamstring remains well with this tweak, but that's always going to be lingering and that's going to be a real thing.

But if we were to believe the wrist injury was healed in that three weeks, like he said, he does feel better. That's a step in the right direction. Getting Jerry McCain, that's a step in the right direction for the shooting. H. that's a step in the right direction for their playmaking. Yes, they're not unfalible by any means. But I'm especially with the state of Denver,

which I think is not a guarantee at all that they ever get going at the right time with how many players have been missing. They probably still should be the presumed favorite just because there's no clear. If somebody out east was dominant if last year Celtics were still a thing, then I could say, for sure,

we shouldn't put them above the pack, but nobody moves me yet for me to de-throw at OKC when we thought coming into the season that they should be the favorite, just because we're seeing J-Dub, trying the right direction a little bit. bit. I just think compared to how they started, those undefeated talks, like juggernaut talks, completely over.

When you're 25 and 1, of course, you can get those talks. Yeah, that's definitely gone. So, like, I think they're in the same tier as the Nuggets, the Spurs. Ah. After that it does. Spurs is tough because they're so matchup-based. Like, they can clearly beat the OKC Thunder, but, like, the guard play is so inconsistency. So we're either going to see in this playoff run that Wembe is just truly a game-breaking playoff nightmare and they're going to be like ahead of schedule in the finals out of nowhere.

Maybe that's the case. Maybe it's a sudden to that level. But with how inconsistent their guard play has been, I feel like they very easily could lose the nuggets and get pretty beat down, you know? Yeah. I don't really know what to feel about the Spurs yet. Yeah. I feel you on that.

Also, biggest lie of all time for OKC Thunder is that Shagulles-Elexander is the worst free throw rich in NBA history. Not even, I want to say not even close, but I agree. No, not even close. We were there for James Arden. Yeah, we were there for James Hardin. Well, and Bede was like two years ago, y'all. Denny's this year.

Palomaccaro. Palomacarro past the years is way more relying on free throws. DeWay used to give me nightmares, y'all. That's, that pump-ache. There's so many worse ones. That is true, man. That's another one coming through Rudy Gobert thing, where he got that, he got that, like, reputation as the free throw guy because of aesthetic things.

People just don't like the funny faces he makes, and, like, they were so good at the right time that, like, for some reason it irritate people more with Shay. But, like, it was never reality. I mean, the reason is because they're so damn. good and it's like an all-time thing that we're witnessing. We've never seen foul-bating lead to this amount of success. But also I feel like there's something I was doing with though.

There is something to the fact that his brand of doing it is more annoying to people for some reason. And it's just because he's like flamboying with it. Because he's Canadian. He'd be rapping on Instagram after the game and all that. He's very hated while. People aren't willing to give him the past.

They would some other people. I'm not going to say I understand it, but I can see how they hate it. I don't agree with it. I know why. What is it? No, they saw the TikTok dances he was doing two years ago. He said, oh, no.

I love how those are resurfacing now. They said, oh, no. This guy can't be the most physical driver in the league. This guy can't be average 33 on this. I really hope the nuggets get healthy, because everything you're saying should be true about, like, the nuggets being a real threat to beat them. They are so unbelievably injured.

Like, it's crazy how injured they've been this season. Yeah. It's going to be okay. There's no guarantee it'll be okay No, but is that Nothing's ever a guarantee but They're going to be okay There's reason to have faith

There is the same Yeah, of course for sure Like if they're healthy They could obviously beat the Thunder Can, but they feel more cursed this year than Thunder do From injury perspective like Oh yeah for sure

They're getting ran through And I think most of the media is talking with them Like yeah man obviously they're waiting To beat the Thunder And the Nuggets fans are like Do you see our roster? Everybody's dead And they haven't come back to life yet

It's just been a season for unfortunate circumstances within like first. Who went out first? I think it was, was it Aaron Gordon or Cam, Cam Johnson? It was probably Eric,

because he was hooping like at the start of the year. Yeah, all three. Then plus Christian Brown also got her. And then Yolkich went out for that period of time

that all of a sudden Paywanson's out now who was like the breakout star for your team this year. Found Junice got hurt at some point I think everybody's in and out

besides Jamal Murray. Sick. Has he gotten hurt too? I can't even remember. I think he's been relatively healthy. Yeah. Well, yeah, compared to everybody else.

He's been an iron man. No, he's been here. He hasn't been hurt. Yeah, okay. Portland Trailblazers. I have them, and I could not think of a single fucking thing for the Trailblazers. I struggled mightily to think of a lie I told about them. So I wrote, the lie is that Kyrie Irving was ever better than Damien Lillard.

That's the lie that people believe. I think we've kind of put this to bed. I think people kind of realize now that Damon Lillard is and always was better. So that kind of got shut down mostly because people started slandering Kyrie when he was proven not to be a first option on a team. But it was still a pervasive narrative at some point, and I'm sure there's still people out there to believe that, Lillard is clearly better than Carrey Irving.

Yeah, once every franchise that you go to end up, you know, in flames, kind of like, okay, yeah. Yeah. You might be the problem here. So, not the slander, Kyrie or anything, but that is a debate that will probably remember. Not the slander, but we're against Slender.

Yeah, well, it's more about Glaze and Damon Lillard, because I do feel like in the wake of him tearing his Achilles and kind of being forgotten about, I do feel like he'll probably go down as the most forgotten or underrated player of this era because he never accomplished jack shit on the Trailblazers because the rosters never had a single ounce of hope compared to the Golden State Warriors of that era that he'll probably get overlooked and talked about as like just another guy. Yeah, you're right.

I think it'll be even worse than what CP3 has gone because with first spot, at least everyone gives him like everyone overly glazes some, I don't think it's over, but they glaze him and they gave him like the proper acknowledgement for how good he was. back in the early 2010s and all versus with someone like Damien Lillard. He's never been to that amount, obviously. There was times where people were clamoring for him to make the All-Star team

and then the very next year, when he missed it, the very next year, he played in every single fucking event for like the first time in NBA history. So I can see a word of where people just wash him away in NBA history. Yeah, it's different. CP3 gets hated on more than Damian Lurid by far

and Cardo called overrated more by far. But at least we talk about him. Exactly. Damon Lillard won't be hated on, won't be praised. might just be forgotten. And that's unfortunate because it's that same age-old argument.

You swap him out with the best player on so-and-so championship team. He is so capable of being the best player on a lot of these champions that some people got the opportunity to. Like, obviously,

She is a lot better than Demy Lurd. But if Dame Milder had a type of team like this with elite defenders around him, Chetheelan Williams around him, players like that, this archetype of team, he could also get them to win championships with the 2024 Celtics.

You saw him with Jason Tatum or whatever. What a stray What a stray God You're not wrong though If he had a stack roster as well He could also win a championship And I think he'll more likely be thought about

As a fitting of the team Clyde Drexer type player Who's always just a tier below Or a Dormarda Rosen type player Or even a Paul George type player And maybe Paul George is a better comparison I shouldn't have said his name But I do think he very clearly

Could have been the best player On a championship team Yeah That's okay Yeah he's also the best out of those guys Yeah, everybody better than Paul George? Yes. That's a hard one because the defense, but I don't know.

What? It's a close conversation. The amount of offense, Dane was generating out. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe right. I don't know. Yeah, maybe right. I mean, I really respect Pete Paul George, so I don't think that's a slight.

No, I just don't think it's close. I think what Dane was doing like for years. I think that that was one of the more frustrating parts about him not requesting the trade early and it's like had he had he requested that trade two years prior he probably could have gotten to a situation where we could have legitimately seen him compete for championships but we saw him make like he had a run to the to the conference finals we've seen him win playoff series like he's always been super super clutch we've seen him average 30 the the deep shooting like all of it he's a better playmaker than people give him credit for i i i think he's much better

than Paul George. Okay. Two divisions left. Southwest Division, where do you want to start? This is me. I have like three teams in this division. That's right on off.

I got one team, I think. With the New Orleans Pelicans, they did the right thing choosing a pelican as their mascot. I think it's terrible. I think it's a disgrace to have a pelican as a mascot in professional sports. I feel like it should be a little bit better

and they should find a way to change that. Obviously, everybody goes through rebrands and stuff like that. They have to figure out a way to get the Pelican out of their mascot. Damn. Okay.

That is a terrible choice. What's her Pelican name? I have no idea. What's her Pelican name? I have no idea. But there's just so much, I just feel like there's so many other things in New Orleans.

Many of the Bulls cool. It is cool. But there's just so many other cool things like in New Orleans and from New Orleans that and the color scheme, while some of the jerseys I don't like, I do generally like the colors that they work with. Bro, I guess the name of the Pelican.

Sorry. Perry. Perry the Pelican. Paul? Peter? No. Pierre. Pierre the Pelican.

They get real French. It's not bad. It's not terrible. But we got to do better. The Pelican has to get removed. Guarantee you, no one knew that. Now you know. Breaking news.

Pierre the Pelican. We're here doing a forum. Perfect. Pierre the Pelican needs to die. It's a nasty word. Oh, I thought there was actually. can you. Shams bomb.

Memphis Grizzlies. The biggest lie told right now currently is that letting Dylan Brooks walk ruin this team. That that was the one catalyst of why they are where they are now blowing it up, trading Jaron, trading Desmond Bain, trying to trade job and nobody motherfucking wants them. It's because they let Dylan Brooks walk. You can't say that. That ruins all Dylan Brooks propaganda this year. Sorry, Dylan Brooks propaganda.

That is a lie. That is not why they failed. They failed because the initial sin. is they hitched their wagon to a star trio of max contracts that just never were good enough to be a big three on a team. And you add on the fact that the main reason that that big three, the team crumbled around them, injuries. This is not talked about enough.

This is one of the most unfortunate injury teams of the last 10 years. Steve Adams got hurt when they brought him in to replace Jonas Valenzunis, missed out. That didn't really bring them any value at all. They had Brandon Clark, who was a big part of their team when they were good as a mobile big that can do a lot of good things defensively, play make out of the short role,

career got completely ruined by injuries towards the killies god damn it completely ruined by injuries up and down the roster when they got rid of Dylan Brooks their body market smart to replace him who was seemingly an upgrade didn't do a single lick of anything good or profitable for this franchise because of injuries every then obviously John Morant

missed the whole season because of injuries up and down the roster injuries ruined any ability for this team to make any type of run Dylan Brooks or no Dylan Brooks that big three was never going to be good enough to do anything yeah I don't like that so really the biggest lie is that this is a disappointment is that big three just never was good enough no it is a

disappointment it is i understand why we're saying that but it shouldn't be because they just weren't like that enough that they just weren't talented enough to ever like make a championship run or anything it's disappointing the way that they won one playoff series for sure for sure but i just mean like ultimately they were never good enough and the hope when they were really young is that they keep getting better in some unlimited degree because they're so young we can assign anything john morrant just never became that and they just never were good enough that it really didn't matter dylan brooks or not brandon clark or not this nucleus wasn't good enough.

You don't think the videos and all of that had another like factor? For sure. The videos? Aside of just injuries.

I think the videos helped like what videos? Instagram live Domarin. Oh, oh, well,

didn't help, certainly. Yeah. But I think we got intro dance. Hey, I didn't really met my videos. I thought I thought I was

dealing Brooks propaganda. What videos? Yeah. The neon clips. Yeah. Yeah, the toadm guns didn't help for sure, but I think the bigger deal was he missed 70 games with a shoulder injury and hasn't been the same since. Yeah, man. He missed 25 games for totaling guns.

Pails in comparison. Do the impact of his shoulders? He missed 33 games, I think, because he had gotten suspended than missed time before. Yeah. He missed half the time. That's sick, man. Hey, man. That's all you.

Tough. Tough. That's sick, man. Next team is division. Who has a San Antonio Spurs? That's me. You're feasting. The lie that we are telling is that Wembe is not in the MVP conversation.

Like top three. Top three. So who are you assuming are ahead of him as of now? Right now, Shane Yokic are in that conversation. Wembe's three. Wow. Over Daniel Brown? Over Dylan Brown.

Unbelievable. Over Dylan Brown. Over Dylan Brooks. Over Denny. All these guys. The big three. You don't have, I'm surprised you don't have like K for like. I think Wembe for them being in the West, them being a two seed,

with the guard play being like dropping back down to the level that it's at right now. Every single night, he's 20. He's a big who scores 24 and gets 12 rebounds. Best, best defender in the world by far. Yeah. Does not make a. Or like, no, makes that level of impact. Any anybody else, any other time, this is an MVP candidate.

This is one of the best players in the world right now. And when he's playing against Bums, he just goes and, you know, has like 25 point quarters, scores, you know, scores, scores, whatever. Wembe at this moment, like, we're going to see in the playoffs what happens. And if, you know, you truly elevate to get to that level. but in terms of a regular season award and the things that he's doing right now, he is a top three MVP candidate.

Yeah, I think the only reason that's not thought about that way yet is because he missed time early in the season. So he has that like games played thing digging him right now. But yeah, if everything you just said maintains throughout the rest of the season, by the time we get to April,

I think he'll certainly be on that belly in the same way you're describing. Yeah. Yeah, I can see it. I still think he's in the best in the world conversations, but... You think he's in it? I still think so.

I just think being clearly best defender, like no even questions asked about it and still having 24 on the other side, like efficient too. That's a crazy thing you can just say. Like, that's insane. Yeah. He's probably number five in the world right now behind all the MVP guys and Luca. If you say he's in that same tier as Luca to you, that's not crazy at all. If he has a super, super dominant playoff run, if he has a super, super dominant playoff run, he's going to be. you know, obviously like Luca always plays well, but I can see where if he gets stamped there,

we go into next year, he's over Luca. Depending on how dominant it is, how far the Spurs go, we might start talking about top three conversations. That's what the ceiling is for him right now. But I think even he's in a very interesting place where he is so good right now, and the floor is so high, but he's obviously still so young that the ceiling is still immense. And we always just look at him and it's like, yeah, he's the future girl, his baby go, all this other stuff.

Yeah. Last night, 26 and 9, call him. Like, he's still getting blocks. Came back with the Warriors. Like, he is an MVP candidate. Okay. Dallas Mavericks.

Oh, I have them. I almost forgot I had them. Mine is very, very simple. All right. The biggest lie told was that Nico Harrison was the devil. I fear he's not the devil. I don't think he's a devil completely at all. I think he's a devil worshipper,

meaning he is not like the actual, he's not the actual like guy leading to evilness happening. That's simply because of, yo, what Cooper Flag is doing is special, man. He's having a rookie year that's arguably like better than what Lucas has been doing.

And he's like surpassed every ounce of expectation that I had of him and with the player, the level player that he could be coming into league. And for me, I didn't even think he was going to be like bad at all. I have high expectation. I expected him to be like a top 12 player in the world. But that was probably my ceiling. Now I view him in his rookie year being what, I think he's still like the youngest player in the NBA,

putting up these numbers showing this level of creation being this efficient, this like level of insane touch. I think he could be like top five, six player in the world at his peak. And that just makes me look at Nico Harrison a little bit less worse. A little bit. A little bit. She had got nothing to do Nico Harrison. Yeah, Nico Harrison is proof that good things happen to bad people. No, the biggest lie is that Cooper Flag being good

Validates Nico Harrison's dumbass thoughts And that is the biggest lie I've ever heard Because once again, everybody keeps talking about it was part of the plan Because that's what he said When he traded for Anthony Davis, Cary Irving was healthy And Anthony Davis was healthy They did not want to be in the lottery at all

This idea that he had a good In, even part of his brain That part of year one was to get a top pick Is fucking outlandish And some of the best propaganda Anybody has ever done for one man To get the number one pick For any lottery pick

He wanted to win the finals last year because he thought he had a star duo of Healthy AD and Kyrie. It's fucking ridiculous that people call him his bail. Crazy work, man. Yeah, bro, don't. That's a lot. Now, mind you, I'm still not cutting him bail.

I'm just not calling him the devil anymore. Nope, he's the devil. Houston Rockets. Do you want to go contemporary or all time? All time. That they would have lost to Jordan's Bulls. They beat Michael Jordan. They beat Michael Jordan.

They beat the Bulls if Jordan stays in 95. 495 and they they they beat them maybe not back-to-back years and they maybe they don't get um yeah back-to-back chips they get them for one which one either either one you can pick on the front end probably the one that jordan was there for and we pretend he wasn't the the one end or the or the backhand i'll give i'll even give you grace of saying if jordan was there for a full season that's fine okay if he's there for 94 from the from day one all the way up into the playoffs that's cool the rockets are beating them. They are beating them. And this idea that really this is also a bull's all-time take. Eight straight is never happening. It was never going to happen. And that's part of the reason why I also

think this. I also think this because Hakeem was so filthy. And this last week, Hakeem and KD, they had like an interview on one of KD's podcast. And so I just took some time, went back. I was just watching Hakeem highlights. It's different. The way he was moving. was different. The way that he could attack the defenses from different spots on the floor was different. And I don't think that anybody on the Bulls had anything for him. And it was so, so unique and so clear that at this point, outside of obviously Michael Jordan, there's nobody in the league who can stop him. And the one person that you think has all of the physical tools to do it would be a young Shaq. But then again, he's young Shaq. Even then,

Shack is getting pieced up. Shack is getting fadeaways, you know, cashed on him from the baseline. He's getting post moves put on him. I think Hakeem was just so dominant that they were going to get one. So that's the lie. Okay. Fair.

Last division. Southeast Atlanta Hawks, what is the biggest lie told about this irrelevant-ass team that we told ourselves we won't talk about anymore? But here we are. Timer. Obligated. Timer, timer, timer.

Oh, man. biggest lie about the Atlanta Hawks was that Trey Young was the issue he was never the issue Can you guys guess what our defense of rating is currently as we speak? Bad. Give me a number.

Two. One out of 100. Okay. It's not that bad. It's not that bad. We're like over the last 15 games since he's been like completely out of the Ego-A we are like the 21st best defense in the entire NBA.

Same level of defense. It was never his fucking fault. overall team small bad rebounding bad everything around this team same conversations continue it's like that when you have no fucking value and you tank your value completely so we got to trade you for bullshit where we can't get something good for our all-star player to come back so naturally we're going to be terrible without them so tough maybe you should have maintained some value over the last three years without them we're ass bro i can't find a way up i can't find a way out cheeks yeah i really got the number one pick in the worst draft

No, they didn't. They didn't have to have that type of bad number one pick. They chose that route. They could have just taken Alex Arr. Because Alex Arr was like, yeah, bro, I don't want him. And he's like, yeah, bro, I don't want to be a hawk. And you let him run your organization. Embarrassing.

Tell him, he'll come play. This is a draft. Pick him anyways. Embarrassing, man. Pick him anyways. Honestly, yeah. It's ridiculous. And the draft era of number one picks where it's like,

damn, I see Cade. I see Ant. I see Cooper Flagg. Oh, yeah. Don't forget, there's Wemby there, too. Then you just see Zachary Richie say. You know, it's crazy? I remember seeing a report during that draft where the Atlanta Hawks front office was talking about Reed Shepard.

And they were like, yeah, this is NBA Patrick Mahomes. Yep. This is Mahomes type prospect. One, to believe that, all right. Now they're here nor there. To believe that and not pick them? hilarious. Yeah, who'd you think Zach Reeversus Shay was?

Tom Brady. All right, dog. That's a good point. Who they think he was? There's a Tim Duncan type prospect. Fuck, man. They never thought he was that. specifically

apparently he was going to be an all right guy and that's all but when you thought the other news Patrick Mow was why not pick him what the fuck

because he got who's the quote with the pet yeah they had Brady I guess in in Trey Young so they're like that we're good

that's what they thought that makes sense oh you got to stop man you have to stop they got they had Kyleor Murray

and didn't want to take him oh what a funny team what a funny team I'm sick. Miami heats. The biggest lie I told about them is that heat culture is alive and well. And if we trust it, we will win championships again.

That all we had to do is trust Pat Riley, let him do his thing, do things the right way, and good things will happen to us. Shit's dead. Been dead. Unless a superstar decides out of nowhere that he wants to live in Miami and make it happen by any means necessary like Jimmy, like Jimmy Butler did in 2020. What summer was that? Was it 19? 19. In summer 2019, unless the star does that again, which in today's ecosystem,

with today's version of Pat Riley and leading the ship the way they've been leading it, I don't know if I see that coming. Not impossible, but that's quite the hellmary to have your hopes and dreams lie on. That a star says sign and trade me there because I want to play for them and only them. That's not something you can feasibly build for. So without that being the case, this team deserves all the smoke that we give to the Chicago Bulls. There's all the smoke that we give to the Atlanta Hawks. deserves all the smoker give to all the playing invitational teams

they're always there because they just like to live in the middle and not make any of the hard decisions needed to do things in a way that you stomachs them downside because at least the upside. At least they're like the best of the middle. They can never say they're like right below there. Yeah, they're the best of the mid for sure. Precisely what I said.

They're the best of mid. They can say that. They have that under the belt. They have the best mid stars ever. That doesn't mean absolutely anything. They're still right there with them. And you know, they try to get, be honest, like they try to get up your other star. There's a reason they don't ever get them.

They all get moved. They often get moved for less than what they were able to offer. They never end up with the team with a star in their hands. I wonder why. They got to do something, man. Yeah, that old man's cooked. They got to do something. I hate heat culture. Let's stay in Florida. Me too. My biggest lie about the Orlando Magic is that Paul Bencaro is that guy. Really, talked about it before so many times. He's not that guy. just last night, I had to watch him.

Don't talk about it. Walked down by Cameron Thomas. Palvin Carroll. There was 0 for seven in the fourth quarter looking more lackadaisal, lackadaisical than fucking ever. Let's talk about this. What the fuck is up with him? When is it going to be fixed?

All year we've been saying, one, we expect this to be a year he makes a leap. It doesn't happen. So be it. All year we've been saying at some point he has to play at least they did last year, which was overrated. in my eyes, but still an all-star level player that people appreciate. At some point, he'll get healthy and get back to that, right? We're 50 games to the season.

When does he get regular? When does he get normal? What the fuck is going on? Why is it? Every time I look on my timeline, I see Palo jokes. I check my NBA app and I see 28% from the field. In the fourth quarter, he gets to 38% or 40 and it looks average, but it's still a dog shit game they lose because he was dog shit all game.

When does he get regular again? I'm waiting for that part of the story. My favorite thing is whatever you look at and play and you're like, bro, what's your problem? We're so many games in this year. I guess shit's not normal anymore. Yeah, it's, it is cooked. He had a play in the fourth where he had a turnaround fader and he had missed it.

And the commentators were like, all that, like he missed. And they were like, well, you know, that's a shot that we don't really see palo miss a lot. And I was like, oh. I was like, I know you guys work for the team, but I see him missing quite often. I was like, we kind of have to be honest here. They for real got walked down. And I, like, watching that fourth quarter, you see a team that is broken. You see a team that is, has their lead player not be able to come through in certain moments.

And it's, you know how earlier I was saying when Kwaish used the ball, I expected to go in. When Palo has the ball in the fourth quarter at this point in time, I get upset, right? I so much would rather Desmond Bain have the ball in his hands. Move the stats over to the side a little bit. I'll see the bar right. Yeah. 49% effective focal percentage. Same as it's always fucking been.

Everything is down across the board. When am I going to see orange besides? My bad. 45% from corner threes this year. Can you hover over that 45%? He's an off-bossed, basically. 45. Go down and go back up.

Go back to 45. 31 sample size. 1431 this year. He has that. There is the orange. number. Outside of that, when will I see efficient scoring from any point on the floor at any point of his career? I'm so tired of waiting for the explosion. Dude, on non-corner 3, he's shooting just 27%. That's sick.

130 on the year. That's sick. Yes, it's not going to happen this year. I think we're moving into a... I'm mostly at the point where it's like never going to happen because now if you're the Orlando Magic and you just granted him like this massive player, player, players, contract and you made moves furthermore invests in him and trading for someone like Desmond Bayne. You gave up a lot of picks, mainly because you believed off the playoff series that he had again, that he was going to be elite. If you're like having this level of disappointment, I don't know if they should necessarily like panic just yet. Maybe want to

give him another year and see what happens. Give him another head coach who's more offensive slanted, see what happens. But patience is starting to like run out as he speaks. I think, do I think it's ran out too quick though? No. This is year four. We just look at a shark. He hasn't improved in scoring in any way. But this is the first year where you actually expect, like, a seismic leap. I expect the leap. So I expect improvements at some point along the way every year.

But you're right. This is the year where in year four, you should be like a star star right now. Like there's zero excuse. You should be in top 15 player in the world conversations. True. I am more inclined to give grace if we would have seen steady improvement the past few years. And not more of the same. I'm kind of the opinion that the idea of him being in top 15 players is dead and gone.

Like I'm no longer, every time I've criticized him, I've said with the caveat, but I'm expecting him to prove me wrong eventually and like get that good because of physical traits because the fact that he's a number one pick and we coast off of that and give grace no matter what when you're number one pick. I've been expecting him to hit that level everyone already thinks he's at, right? I no longer expect that. Were you high on him last year? I just think like overall people were still high on him last year. Fuck no. I was spent all the last year saying y'all are too high on him that this is ridiculous doing these top 10 nods, like most underrated starting the league that maybe he'll get. get there, but he is nowhere close to good enough of the score to make up for the playmaking

deficiencies. The mostly specifically the playmaking process deficiencies, he can throw a pass accurately. He's not a terrible passer. He's a bad reader of the floor and doesn't playmate quick enough to be your lead engine offensively while being a mediocre defender that I said eventually he might be this bulldozer scoring guy that he needs to beat have had his play style, but thus far he's closer to a low level all-star than he is a top-ton player. Damn, damn, damn.

Now at the point where I don't think is ever going to happen in this role of him being the guy on ball like this. So what am I going to say? Set screens, be off ball, do the small stuff, and be a secondary star. You make $50 million a year. They need you to have the ball in your hands and be a demon. Okay, so time is running out. Here's what's going to happen.

The magic are either going to be, they're going to be in the playing. Let me take the standings right now. But they're going to be in the playing probably. They are going to lose in the first round. yeah, the 7 seat, they're going to lose it in the first round. Jamal Mosley is going to get fired. They're going to bring in a new coach. The entire offseason, we're going to say that the new coach is going to come in and fix everything and talk to Palo to fix everything.

And we're going to have serious sit-down conversations. They might go out, draft somebody, make a free agency signing, get another shooter, whatever. Going into next year, that would be the last opportunity that anybody who has any stock in Palo has to buy low, because everybody's going to be talking mess about him all summer. That's going to be the last opportunity that anybody has to buy low on Palo and say that he still has the opportunity to reach his potential. If by Christmas, we are not seeing any type of leap. Everybody will be out.

It is over the time to say that Palo is going to be this guy is here. The only way that he can have positive PR is if he has another playoff run the same way that he had in year one where the mid-range score was really good, where he was getting buckets, and across the board, it's fairly efficient because I don't think that a majority of people are going to give him the grace of like, oh, cool, you just got buckets because this team has more offensive talent

than what they had two years ago. And he's not going to be able to coast on that. Like, you don't have to carry in the same way. So we have, it's February, season's going to start again in October. We have eight months for him to lock in and be, the version of power that he needs to be. Yeah, and here now I have this chart on here at the playoff numbers, and you say it could be like two years ago where he scored a lot of points,

empty the clip against the cabs and was fairly efficient because of mid-range jumpers were crazy. 56% there. His effective focal percentage went from 49.8% in the regular season to 51.4 in the playoffs. Last year also had a big empty-the-clip playoff series. Regular season effective focal percentage, 50.4. Playoffs, 46.7.

I have never seen a more overrated playoff riser in my goddamn life. I'm so sick of hearing about this. And the fact that he turns it on in the playoffs. He shoots more in the playoffs, which is important. They need him to do that. You know, he didn't do anything wrong. He's overmatched. He's got to go out guns blaze.

And I get it. It is nowhere near enough for me to just like ignore all the other signs we see over 82 game samples. Yeah. But you see the and like every every post season you see like there's one of those aspects where it's not just clip empty. And there's a little bit of like, oh, if you can actually do this here, we're good. It's the mid range stuff two years ago. Last year. The rim scores.

Yeah, the room scoring looked really good. There's been these moments in the playoffs where you can point to something and say, okay, that's something tangible that we can build on that we can take into next year. This just hasn't happened. And whether you want to blame it on injuries or whatever, I don't even care about that anymore. We just have to, like, whether it's you by yourself or you with France, I don't even care about the team construction at this point. You are the one that just has to get it together.

Exactly. If the teams are good enough to win, so be it. I need to have faith that we can find a way to win around this. star duo and that starts with palo like i need to have faith that he can have a three level scoring type of impact thanks not just one element does good for a six-game sample but the other side does terrible like i need to see something to latch onto to say this can be one the best scores in the world that's what he has to be he has to be one of the premier scores in basketball yeah i for what he's for his contracts for what all the expectations were set out to be to be

coming from him from doug and being the number one overall pick you're right but i think with how good Franz is being a pseudo point guard driving to the room and all that. I don't even think he necessarily has to be that for real. Can you at least like give effort and rebound hard as fuck? Can you go ahead and get offense flowing a lot more fluid? Can you again? Can you go be a Sarr Thompson? go crash the boards?

Something. That's value that you can give me that I can hold non-tober because right now there's not a singular part of his game where I'm just like, yeah, he's one of the best of the weekend at all. Next five years. For the rest of their careers, are you taking him or Scotty Barnes? Oh, Scotty Barnes And I'm not thinking about it

That's like the quickest answer ever Damn easy, easily yes Gunned your head Him or Franz Wagner Oh Franz yeah I'm thinking about it for two seconds I'm taking Franz Now I also don't want to build a team

Around Franz number one option So it might be a bad situation either way You're dead nasty hoofs You'll live a little bit longer Give me Evan Mowgli All right next team This division Who has a Charlotte Hornets

That is me. I'm two teams left. I have the Wizards and the Hornets. Let's go with the Wizards first. The Wizards, I think people hate on their gold jerseys a little bit too much, and I kind of like them. And not kind of like them.

You got to trick yourself until like it. I do like them. You have to squit your head. No, no, no. Not this year is gold jerseys. I like the idea. I understand it, but it 100%. Yeah, not this year.

The Gilbert Arenas. shiny satin gold jerseys a lot of times we talk about those jerseys as being some of the worst in the league those are not bad I think that this years are a lot better than those ones I actually really don't like these

I mean I don't love these either but I don't know actually I kind of do like these like these kind of work for me this we just want they're bullshit you gotta stop right and this is what I'm talking about this is that hey what are you talking about what is this bro one let's bring back satin jerseys let's not Satin jersey, we fly in a hoot.

You can't guard nobody in satin. Exactly. We talk about freedom of movement. This is what we need. We need satin jerse again. I think that these are much better than what they get credit for. Can you click on the picture where it compares? Oh, yeah.

C.J. McCollum is there. Oh, and no. And maybe it's because C.J. McCollum is in this. I really don't like these. CJ's the worst player to put in this. I really don't like this. This year is like this. Also, they do need a rebrand.

I understand what they're going for with a lot of the blocks, but they, the red, white, and blue for the wizards, it's not, that's not it for me. I want them to go, to go towards something closer to this style of jersey, to this color scheme, rather than red, white, and blue. Yeah, I can see the vision with that jersey, but the whole black shorts thing. God damn. It's a bomb. I can see the whole black shorts thing's going on. All right. The black shorts is what throws me off completely.

I fucking hate those. Anytime I played 2K and I had I played with this team or I play with any version of the Wizards, I'm putting this. What is this? What is this? What is this? Dwight Howard. Why is he wearing this jersey? I forget he was a part of the Wizards.

He was not in that jersey though. So I guess this is in the year he was there. They wanted them bring back their jerseys and he was the face of the 20, was it, 2023, was just something. Actually before that. What is it? Like 2020? 20-20-1 or something. It's something random shit.

Yeah, something like that. And he wasn't even good. I don't know why they used to him. That's hilarious. Name. But these jersees get overhaded. All right, Charlotte Hornets. For the Hornets.

Going to be real. As a basketball team could not come up with a lie. And so I did want to expand this to the entire state of Charlotte. Of North Carolina. I think that there's a lie going around right now affecting North Carolina in saying that J. Cole's album wasn't amazing. And like, it wasn't, like, amazing. But he's getting too much hate.

There are a couple of tracks on there that, that bang. I'm here to defend J. Cole. A couple tracks. There's 24 on the album. I say that very loosely. I say that extremely loose. Did you do this movie song? There's a couple hits.

I felt a sleep. I ain't going on line. He's not even a rap guy. What do you think I listen to? You're not a rap guy like that. I've heard people say you are that, like, if it's not drinking. From Omar. On your show

Are you Top 5 rappers right now Drake What are you listening to Sabrina Carpenter Yo Don't put my spot like that bro, chill

Don't put my spot like that First of Sabrina Sabrina score That's in your top of I got one song Her is on my My point

No she's lit Top 5 Um Travis Scott Drake Kendrick Um Travis Scott and Drake

Top 2 Rap Cavi I know who you are. Yeah, I am a rap caviar, demon, I don't know. John Tolliver. Rap caviar. And Chief Keefe. Now, let me just.

No, that was terrible. It's not terrible. It's not terrible. It's not terrible, objectively. It's a fucking fine album to spend five years hyping up, a fine album as your final album that you said, I'm going to do what I failed to do with my first. And that's give you my best work for my last and just do this self-aggrandizing bullshit. This is my final retirement album.

This is what it was all building to. And it's the most uninteresting album you've dropped in like eight years. It's criminal. Say, you can say it's underwhelming. You can't say it's bad. For the standards, it's bad.

No. For his standards? Yes, for everything I just outlined, it's bad. For the moment that the expectations weren't unfair. You set them yourself. You told me this was going to be your best work and this is what it all leads to.

That is the most uninspired, boring bullshit he's put out. Uninspired is a bit mean. It's uninspired as a bit mean. It sounds like somebody, uninspired as a bit mean. It's uninspired as fuck. It sounds like somebody who had an album plan and know that the wind got taken out of his sales because he said sorry for a disc and everybody hates him now and he has to go out there and finish an album with no good ideas because he's sad that nobody likes him anymore and he's sad that his moment is gone because he had such a hot 2018.

He thought he was going to naturally going to the end of his career and retiring on top. That's not possible when he knows it. So he's putting this out because he has to because he promised it five years ago and here's a bunch of boring ideas that I did when I was in a... He doesn't have to do anything. The artist's lie all the time. Yeah, well, he feels like he can't be that artist. So here's a bunch of shit that I made when I was in a rut Because nobody likes me anymore

What do you rate? What do you grade the J-Col album? The most average 4.5 out of 10 I could imagine 4.5? No, it's better than that. It's really not. What do you give it a 6? It's better than that.

It makes it a half seven? We're just handing out sevens. You get a 7 for waking up in the morning. It's always 7. He can't say 7. No, you do not. No, you do not. When you're J-Col, you do apparently.

Because he's that time. He's like that. Especially after he gives the off season. The off season is incredible. The obviously thing might be his best word. That's his most inspired work by far. And he comes out here with this bullshit after. A clear downgrade?

Unbelievable. See, this is what I'm saying. This is that lie. Just that honesty. He hates seeing this guy get fucking Molly wopped up another timeline. They're lying. Please, tell him. They're lying.

They're being honest. Now, they are being too mean. They are being very mystery meaners. And with that being said, that is one lie told about every single NBA team. And J. Cole. That's that cold. Let's have some fun. TikTok time hit that swish welcome to TikTok time per usual today we're going to begin with the draft

but we're going to do a little bit differently as you guys know we have B-souls in the house now we're going to do a 2v2 draft today me and Donovan versus Mo and B-soles oh yeah are you guys prepared he's for the cell I got some of my sleeve and how these work we take turns making a pick and you guys can't conversate and decide on the pick so Mo goes first after the first round you go second. You guys have to live with the other person picks. Okay.

So no strategizing. Great. And what we're going to do is the category is. Players who played with LeBron James at any point in their career or we're not just going to do

it based on memory. You can't just be like Duane Wade first pick. We're going to do it with the wheel that we've been spinning in recent drafts. So when it lands on a team, say it lands on the Pacers,

we have to pick a player that is an all-time Pacer, a version of a player that played for the Pacers, but that also play with LeBron at some point. So you get the version of the player, not with LeBron, but with the team.

Okay, let's do it. So, who wants to go first? Let them go first. I think it's your go first. Okay, I'll go first. Okay, I'll go first. Team number one, trying to pull a player who played with the team. Luck, shit, look, shit, luck.

Come on, come on, come on. Nice. What are we getting? Pacers. Indiana Pacers. Go ahead, pick Lance Nevison. Well, the team we mentioned that's the example. Go ahead, pick Lance.

Paul George never played with LeBron. Am I going first? Now you? Yeah, you go. Okay. pick George Hill buddy Hallibur never played with LeBron Sabonis ever played with LeBron

Moss Turn never played with LeBron Fuck I just gave you your answers What do you mean This is a tough one George Hill is right there Oh forgetting somebody Am I forgetting an easy one?

No I don't This is tough We can't conversate I'm trying to hell buddy out You're breaking your own loose rules too Did you remain Did you make a Neil play with LeBron I don't think so

Didn't he? he played on the heat I know germany only who played on the heat was it not can we fact check that yeah I want to pick germanyo let me make sure that that happened because this is so specific

that I feel like we gotta make sure we're trying to cheat over here I don't believe so did germanyl play with LeBron he might be right if not get rates like George Hill at your one very solid you can't be bad Germain O'Neill played

now he was already on the Celtics by the time of the 2010 so yeah he never played with LeBron damn go ahead Damn. We're forgetting somebody for sure. We are.

But if you picked Germain O'Neill, you would get Indiana. Yes. Yes. Yeah, exactly. So you can get a good player still. They just had to play with LeBron for a second. Oh. You see what?

Do you see why it's love? We got this. They never played there. You're trying to think of deep. Yo, Lance Stevenson is right there. Would I rather have Prime Lance Stevenson for entertainment or George Hill to be safe and keep moving? Yeah, Prime Lance Stevenson.

What the fuck? Let's build her in Lance Stevenson. and see what we can do. He made that way too long, with the coolest team. And first of all, also right now, just don't,

don't even put them at the shooting at a dog. Put him at the six men. Exactly. Okay. We're fine with that. Spark plug off the bench. Spark plug, memes off the bench.

That's perfect. Now, Mo, who do you want for the Pacers? You know, I'm going to take the solid option. Six men, give me Georgetown.

Okay. Not bad. It's not bad at all. Six men. All right. Yeah, you don't want to start George Hill by choice. All right, so now back to the wheel

Beesold, you're up next. All right, here we go. Second spin. Please. I can't believe we started the Paci's right. I'm going to use them as an example. Oh, oh.

Sacramento Kings. That might be worse. Oh, my God, we're getting screwed. So Dennis Schroeder played there. Hey, it's Beesold's turn. Yeah. Can't help me out. Yeah, I can't.

Somebody help me out with that one right there. Oh, I wasn't even thinking about the Laker years. Oh, wait. No, I don't know. For the paces, we should have Wesley Matthews in his prime. You're disgusting. That can make the difference.

Wait, just to make clear, if I pick Russell Westbrook. You get Kings, Russell Westbrook. Oh my God. Do it. Okay, now I'm panicking. Okay. You could do worse.

Wait. I'll throw you a bone. Oh, no, no, I got it. Rondo. You want Kings Rondo? Okay. The team that just like he hated with all his heart and it ended horribly.

You can have them. Let the league in a system. I'll take it. I'll take it. That's honestly not a bad pool. We could do worse. That's not a bad pool, honestly. We could do worse.

Yes. That's not a bad pool. Back on you. Did they play together? I don't think they played together. Oh my goodness. Did? No, there's an obvious one.

Okay, I can help. Yeah, Ben Mecklemore. Right there. Dude. If you do not get this player. Did book play with him? Book? Boogie.

Boogie. I think that counts. He was signed to the Lakers. He got hurt. But he was signed to Lakers. He did. In 2020, he signed to the Lakers. Go ahead.

We get to Marcus. Yeah, I'm taking Boogie at center. Go ahead. Get the dysfunctional locker room guy. Please do that. Your team's going to be thrown straight fist the entire game. Are you in Lansing, Buggie? You have Rondo.

What are you talking about? Yeah, I got Rondo. And George Hill, who knows his place. He knows his role. Rondo's going to fight with the coach. Yeah. So going forward, does that count? He is the coach.

He was on the Lakers for the year under contract with injury, we never played with them. Are we going to allow that? He got a ring, right? I don't know. He got a ring with the 2020 Wakers. Okay, okay. I guess that counts.

He was under contract, it counts. Fuck, man. Why would you allow that? They were asking you. It's fair. I don't cheat the game. I'm a man of honesty. Should we allow that?

Sure. Team number three. I'm back up. I was thinking Jay Crowder if you didn't think of book. Atlanta Hawks. He never played with Horford. What's another version of a good player there?

He didn't play with Trey Young, obviously. Didn't play with Teague. Didn't play with Tieg. Didn't play with Millsap. I guess we could just take Corver and pick All-Star Kyle Corver. There we go. Give you Corver at the shooting guy.

We need some shooting. Yep. I feel like, no one I'm messing up, I feel there might be a young player. When he was young, he played with somebody old who was like an all-star. 90s I'm forgetting about. Okay.

Kyle, we're shooting guard. If you, uh, no, we're okay, we're okay. All right, Mr.

Hawks, man, fuck. Better have a pool for us. This is where we are in trouble. And this is what I was talking about. Roddo and Hillard is you're just now in trouble. You can think of a player? No,

I'm just saying you got this. I got a fake for you dug. No, this is tough. This is tough because I'm going through like the quality Hawksie or even before that. Let me help you. Let me help you.

No. Luke Canard just got to the Lakers. No. No. No. No. Oh. Toy and Prince.

Technically speaking, I should be able to take Luca because he was drafted by the Hawks. No, you get a hook. No, I should. He was never signed a contract with the Hawks. He was drafted by the Hawks. He never signed a contract. He never signed a contract.

Nah. The boogey president is contract. He never signed a contract with the Hawks. Ah, man. Come on now. Now, you're asking us. We don't allow it. Nah, man.

Nah, man Get fucked Listen, just go ahead Put boss man 99 That's a three Keep moving Boss man 99 Listen your hands are in your pockets

He was a hot J. Crowder Yes, Jay Crowder was a hawk Was he? Was he? No, he was not You were just talking I'm thinking

DeMarke You think of DeMarke Yeah Other other dreads I know I'm actually cooked Toy and Prince B I'm cooked

Like there's no good Bigs at all That ever was a hawk and I can't even help you. Yeah, I know. You got this. I'm like, God what? I got nothing to work with right now. Oh, pick Atlanta Hawks, Dwight Howard. There is Dwight Howard. I completely forgot

about that. Please, let Boogie destroy Atlanta Hawks, Dwight Howard. But he's going to destroy himself before he touches Dwight. So I guess I'll go with Dwight. That's honestly like the best thing. Skill-based matchmaking had a thumb-alub. Rondo and Dwight. You keep saying that like our team is just going to be some crazy like lockroom cancer. It is.

You got Kyle Corpover there. You save, like you save Facebook. You have watched Dwight and Tampiard I was not washed back then in 2016. Always injured. You're going to be hurt in 22 seconds. Yeah, he wasn't lost in 2016. He was always hurt. No, it was over.

He was pretty over. That was the beginning of the wash. He was certainly watched for his standards. He was for his standards. He was not useful. Like productive. Yeah. It was upper half center in the league.

But that year was like, upper half. 2016? Who are the top five centers in 2016? There's a big difference between top five and top 15 centers in 2015. There's not a big gap. 2015, 2016.

Who were the top setters? Can you remember? Is D'Andre Jordan? Damn, these are the conversations. Yeah, he might be top three. I'm not going on. Dan's Jordan was way better in 2016. These conversations are nasty.

All right. Next of, you're lucky I gave you, Dwight. I should have stuck you a Victorian prince? Facts. No, man. Memphis Grizzlies. Nope. Oh, yeah.

All right. You can. Don't we really are getting the worst possible options. Is it a B-s-Sol-turned? Be-s-s-turned. Yeah. The Memphis Grizzlies. Who played on the Memphis Grizzlies?

He's Jod didn't play LeBron. Dylan Brooks, no. Triple J, no. Let's go back to the Grit and Grind. Grizzlies. Any of these dudes, play with the... Fuck.

Mike Conley? No. Tony. Wait, Gassal? Wasn't he on... Yes. Oh, we can put him at the four.

We can tell Mark Gassel. I was hoping he didn't think about Mark Gassol. Damn it. Yeah. He got the only, like, superstar player. I was praying you forgot. Let's go. We can put it about the four.

Okay, you got to think back for this one. Think of the 2000s. We can't think about the modern day. All right, guys. I was really banking on Gasol. I swear you forget. I'm really in hell right now. Oh, no, no, no.

There's one easy one. I think. Easy. Yeah, it's not going to mind blowing, but there's one really, I can't help them. Stay over there. There's one easy one, bro. Easy one.

one easy one easy one easy one okay so if we go back through the ears I will say it's a role player so I'm not giving you a layup for a star

ah yeah I'm not I'm not pulling out like you gotta pick the superstar this is weird though because not weird but like we need a we need to start thinking

about position a little bit we have half our team filled already listen listen we might have to move Lance to the three the better

how this continues to shake out Okay, so the grit and grind again, so none of them were over there. Right now I'm thinking about a Luke Knard again. Oh, God. He's right there. Don't sell me. Yeah, he's right there.

There's a 3D wing for us. Don't tell me. Oh, you're talking too much, man. Come on now. Don't sell me. Come on now, too much. I don't think Tori never played there. You're thinking so low.

There we go. Come on now. We're fucked. You're getting to it. You're going to ruin me. Did he ever play with Rudy Gay? Or no. Let me say.

I don't think so. He really got bouncing around when he was washed. Let me check. Yeah, I don't think so. If he did, Rudy would have played on the Lakers and he never did. He did not. Did they get a washed of version of Tashon Prince, maybe? Let me check.

Tashon Prince played with not LeBron. Yes. Lucanard. Do this one. White snipers. You're going to sell me. Answering the building. I'm going to sell.

Fuck. I'm going to sell. I guess. All right. At point guard, we'll take Marcus Smart. Let's go. Shane Battiye.

Could not. Marcus Smart was terrible on the Grizzlies. I did forget that we get that version of the plane too. Yo, he was so bad. They said, fuck it. Send his ass to Washington for nothing,

bro. Shane Batti. I did forget that we get that version. Marcus. Shane Ballyier. That's tough. All right, I got two spots for redemption and see if I can save this fuck-ass team. Oh, who's the next team?

Please give you a star. Spurs, Rockets. Is it Rockets or Raptors? Houston Rockets. Okay. He never played with Hardin. Somehow, it's never played with Chris Paul. Never played with Kevin Durant?

Can we, they took Dwight so we can't go Dwight. So we can't, we're not doubling up. We never do that. Yeah. No Dwight's. No Yalming. Fuck, who are the, the, the, the, Did the LeBroner play a T-Mack?

Any watchpoint? No, he didn't, no. I didn't think so. You really never know these LeBron teams? I know. You really never know. What fucking been around forever. You really never know.

Who else was good on the fucking Rockets? Mm. Oh, you took Smart. We could pick Rockets Westbrook, but you took Marcus Smart. Either way. Well, Russ will make it work. I, fuck.

I guess we're going to start Lance Stevenson and go towards Russ. Is that our best bets? And then put smart on the bench. I guess. Oh, you ruined me. 2000s players. Ooh. 2000s.

He never played with Yao Ming. He's getting real spooky up here. Never played with Yautam. I could go Batty again. It wasn't Batty on the Rockets? Yeah. I don't want, do you want Batty A over Russell Westbrook, though? Is that going to make us better?

Probably. Well, you win more games. We need a star. We have no star power. We're going to get Russell Westbrook from the 2020 season, and we're going to slide everybody down the spot. Kyle Corber, welcome to being my wing stopper. Oh, man, this is nasty work.

Wait, don't do that. Just go Russ at the point guard. Boogie, Russ, and then you got Corber. That's not too bad. We just need to have a good four. Nah, man. No one's playing defense on this. If we get an elite four, we can make this happen.

Don't let us get the Raptors. Yeah, y'all got the Rockets. Where are you going? Don't let's get Chris Bosch. Biesel, shooting guard, small forward. Actually, no. Isma, is Mo? Is it me?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, shooting guard and a small forward. Shooting guard or small, fuck, man. Who are these wings on the riders? You need a score. You have no score. On the Rockets.

You have negative score. You have negative score. My playmaking between Gasol and Rondo's kind of national. Too. Dwight. Dwight. Dwight Loves. 2016 Dwight Loves weren't what they once were.

Fuck. Like, I'm not going to be. Please. Yo, you say, you tell me you need a score. All I got for you is maybe Iman Shumpert. Was he a fucking Reuter Rocket? I don't have guys. Who are these wings?

I don't even think of Mon Shepard was a Houston Rocket. No. I think, I thought he was at some point of his career. I'll check for you. I'll make sure. Please don't, don't even check. No. She said to use this information.

Andre was. He was at Houston Rockett. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a fun fact. He was at Houston Rockett, so you can't have him on Shepard. Oh, why do I remember that? He played 20 games with them in 2019.

He didn't play with no John Wall. Obviously, he didn't play with Hardin. There's no, like, Ryan Anderson there. There's no. He didn't play with Tabosa Folocia. He's taking forever. Man. Oh, Trevor Reza at my three.

You get a score at some point. He thought he cooked. I cooked as much as I could, bro. He said, oh, Trevor. Yeah, he was solid, man. Hey, man, I feel it. That's the best one I could come up. You know, it was funny?

I threw you to Badiya law by accident. You didn't take it. I didn't want that. Give me Trevor. You didn't want that. You forgot about him. I didn't know. Trevor's more versatile.

No, Shane Badi is better. Solid three points. All right. All right. Last round, Donovan, can you redeem me? Beasles, can you please fuck up? spinning it one last time oh San Antonio Spurs

Spurs Ooh that's kind of a hard one You need a shooting guard We need a power forward Or a center because we can put Bouget it power forward All right shooting guard or powerful Beasold you're up first

Oh fuck okay Spurs Shooting Guard There's an easy one for you But then you'd really have no scoring Not Manu none of those teams oh god

okay it's tough because you need a bucket Kawhi Kauai never played with LeBron should of should of

um Boris D that's not my pick he's not my pick he never played with one did he I don't think so no

can't be a big anyways no um um um um did Marr did the Marr ever play with no

no no mm-mm mm-mm mm- I don't even I don't even know who you should pick a fire for it. I'm spooked

Shooting guard I can't even think of a name Never mind Marco Bellin Do you ever play with them? You want to lay up? Yeah Okay

No actually no you're on your own Drowd bitch No If you want no scoring at all your team You can pick Danny Green. You have no buckets. Straight role players. Don't ever disrespect Marcosol in your life like that.

Spurs a car. Dejante Murray? Nope. No? Damn. Damn. There's really bleak. There's no Star Guard at all.

You might have to go with Den Greene. Gary Neil? Oh, God. Yeah. Danny Green. Welcome to the team. Rhondo Green or Reza. That's firepower.

It's better than your team, man. We have Russell Westbrook and Boogie. We need a star. You better think of a good deep cut. Hey man Damn it Damn it Damn it

They didn't overlap like that They didn't rock with Brian They're not gonna go play with him Damn it Like there's nobody in In recent memory That I can think of That went to go play with Bronn

From the Spurs The mid like the Heald's era Nobody was switching teams there Even the time before Like The Big Three He never played with like Bruce Bowen Or anything like that

I don't think he ever played We need a four But like I don't think he ever played with Tiago And then Tiago's a five These names He never played with Tiago Yeah And so you have

Like the fours are like Literally The only name that's coming up to my It's so nasty and I hate it I think And I'm not I'm not 100% I need to double

Let me double check it before I say It doesn't matter Your last pick I'm about to say Bryn Forbes or something. Who are you thinking of? Hold on, hold on. Let me make sure.

Okay, no, he never played with him. Who is it? No. Just say it. No, I can't embarrass myself. Listen, guys, we're going to put four brains together

right now. Think of a name. What? You can't cheat anybody? I cannot. There's zero names. I don't know if any power forward in Spurs history.

Give me a name in general. At this point, has ever played with LeBron James? Go ahead and say, a name this time they gotta be out of position

shit out of luck j jy hickson so if he can't think anything can i pick it up like could i yeah i'm throwing a lot to my team no no no that's not how it works

you what you want you were to say for 30 minutes and you think if you have to pick a name if you don't remember what position you played it you're not gonna have a file forward yeah

that's what it is sorry I don't make the rules there's no yeah like he did make the rules that one yeah fuck

I got my team or what Yeah, the fours are non-existent. The threes are not there. Did he ever play with, did he even David West ever cross past? Nope. Damn.

Holy fuck. Hey, we're gonna be sitting here forever. I know. Listen, somebody give me a name. I don't even know. Do you have one in mine? That's what I'm saying.

Like, I don't know if there's anybody in Spurs history is over. I'm looking through all these Spurses roster. Okay, wait, hold on. These Spurs played did not fuck O'Brien. That's what I'm. I don't get it. I don't know if we have two. I shouldn't give you all Danny Green.

I'm not going to lie. So I'm saying. I'm trying to think of a name. We might not have a name. We're going to have Danny Green at the floor. Do we just like uncover some NBA history just now? Is it legit? Nobody.

Am I crazy? Has there only ever been one player? Oh, they took George Hill. Fuck. George Hill counted. Yeah. This doesn't, this doesn't happen often. Wow.

This is legit ridiculous. I'm going through. This is bad. Oh. Okay, can I come in now? If he can't do anybody? Just go. We get Spurs, Richard Jefferson at our power forward.

It's not even a great pick. That's all we got. That's all we got. Wow, man. You got to go back 25 years for that? Yeah. Okay. We get 2010 Richard Jefferson, averaging 12 points per game at our power forward.

Oh, shit. Perfect. Our team is hilarious. I got it. Wow. So that was the longest draft of all time. That was about 20-minute draft. Russell Westbrook, Marcus Mark,

Kyle Cawber, Richard Jefferson, DeMarcuscous. Wait a second. And you know what? I do respect that about the Spurs. They say, we don't rock with LeBron. Nobody's ever going to go there. Yep.

And you guys have Rondo, Danny Green, Trevor Risa, Mark Gassall, and Dwight Howard. Yeah, we smoke, yo. We got shooting. We got chemistry. You guys got no. No, you don't.

You have shooting. You have no... No, you really have terrible chemistry. You have... We don't have... You have Moody, Rajon Rondo, and 2016, Dwight. when he was not accepted

the space. You can't say that when you have buggy on your team, Blances over there and then you got Russell West we're trying to send things down. You're perpetuating

a racist stereotype to DeMarcus cousins racist. He was not a locker room cancer. He let the league in tech so many times. That doesn't mean

they didn't like him in the locker room. No one likes him. That's the thing. That's not true at all. No. That's not true. I never heard. That just means that the referees,

the governing body, the police of the NBA did not like that. Correct. You're perpetuating stereotypes. And I'm not going to stand for it. Thank you for being an ally

man. I really appreciate it. You know, wow. Next thing we're going to do. You really hold space for us. This is great. We are going to do an eight jersey bracket of some of the worst jerseys of all time and we have to decide which one moves forward.

Do you guys want to do us how good they are or how bad they are? These are all terrible. Bad. Bad. Bad is more funnier. Okay. We have to decide which is the worst jerseys of all time from these eight. First off, we have the Wizard City jersey versus the heat culture. Ooh.

So bad. Heat culture is so like on the nose. So cringe. So cringe. So yeah, I hate it. The Wizards one is uglier, but the heat one is incredibly cringe. I want to put the heat forward. And the fact that the heat, that that heat jersey came with the court where it has,

we're tougher and smarter and work harder than everybody. That one's. Yeah. I think I would go with the Wizards, something because like you can see someone trying to walk with it. But I can understand if you let the cringe carry away. Yeah, it's way worse to me. Camel Raptors versus the gold Sacramento Kings jersey.

Bring him back the gold sat and Donovan, you said you love it. That's why I'm keeping it. I think this, well, no, I think you're going to be outvoted because the sad is just way worse. The sad is terrible. The Raptors really isn't that bad. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. It is that bad.

No, no, it's horrible. It's not, it's not stop it. Sadness is a good. Stop it. It's horrible. You know like the Kings? The Kings. Leave Mike Bibby alone.

Leave him there. I like that one. We got the Cartoon Network, Splatoon Mavericks jersey versus the white jazz jersey. This white jazz jersey, it's bad. It's plain. There's nothing going on. However,

they have a couple other from this era that are way worse than that specific one. This is, that Madge jersey is one of the top five worst of all time. It's horrible. You're correct. I think it went up in second grade classrooms. They loved it.

Unfortunately, I'm an adult and I fucking hate it. It's going forward. Hickory Pacer's versus gold satin wizards. I'm not going to lie, I wanted to see an ass-on-ass battle when it comes to seeing the satin wizards and also the Sacramento Kings. But the Hickory jersey is just truly terrible. Big yellow shorts.

Yeah. I like those. You like those? Yeah, I'm Paul George. I had some more in them. You like those on Paul George? You just like Paul George is what I'm here. Oh, exactly.

This isn't about the jerseys. That's just telling me that you think Paul George looked at anything. He said nothing about no one. He didn't talk about how we go together. He just said, I like those on Paul. You said that? And he was like, well. I think those on Paul.

Okay. I think the Wizards are worse. I don't think the Wizards are worse. They're clearly not. The Hickory is just terrible. There's no cooking at all with that. Hickory makes it to the top four. We're sure he's on this list.

We'll let B. So does this Paul George's Denda. Yeah. Look at his lips. DRIpped out. You got it gone down. Hickory in Paul George specifically versus the Dallas Mavericks.

Mavler's worse. I'm sorry. I don't know. I don't hate Hickory like y'all do. Maybe I also love Paul George. Yeah. Maybe we're just together. Yeah, this Madge one is very clearly

much, much worse. Really? Off to the finals you go. Because the Hickory one also, it's like it's kind of throwing back to to all school basketball to this. You know what?

I can understand it. This is like Hoosier's era. You have a little bit of nostalgia that goes with it. The only thing that would be fucking with me is a mustard shorts. That's it. But this is strictly a jersey

so I get it. Yeah. The Mab's one. Somebody was in the lab and was like, oh, this is new. I'm going to present these to the streets.

And several people said, okay. Yeah. That's a crime. A multi-million-dollar company said, yeah, let's do it. That they're being trolled. Multi-billion-dollar company.

He's culture versus side and kings. Free money out here. Heat culture. Off principle. If we let He culture be uglier than that fuck-ass wizard's jersey, he-culture must advance to the finals. Exactly. And here we are in the finals with everything that is against what I stand for as a person.

We have heat culture, which I have this name for. And we have this childish as jersey, which I also have to stay for. Which is worse. I think the childish jersey, the blue. Well, actually, I think the heat culture is worth. I think. Key culture looks decent. That's the hard part.

You can wear the shirt. I see, not really, though. That's so many letters. Like the amount of the text on top of text on top of text is ridiculous. Yeah, but then look at the boofy-ass logo. Why is it so big and pumping? You do look that. Serious.

It looks like graffiti. It's terrible. You look like you're a blues clue or a regular show basketball team. Yeah. Like, at least I can look at Miami Heat culture and I won't take them seriously, but I'll take note of them. And you know what? Miami Heat culture is cringe and they went too far and playing into their own identity. They put Luca Donchich in this jersey.

That's what I'm saying, right? That's a crime. That's what I'm saying. You know what? The Mazz win. the Mavs are the worst jersey in this bracket. And I don't think it was hard. Yeah, I think they win.

I think the way that you determine the worst jersey of all time in a frat house, are the white boys wearing the Mav jersey more than heat culture. Heat culture easily. Well, you can't even win the irony vote. Still with no ring for you, Jimmy. Let's go. Random Jimmy Butler hates. He's a selfish fan for me.

real. Next thing we're going to do. Let's talk about some NBA memes. We are going to look at memes say that Beasol's has procured for us

and these are memes that casuals won't understand. He put together the deepest cut memes he could find that say a thing or two about your NBA understanding if you understand these all apparently you know ball.

Beasles, what do you have first for us? All right. Next up, or first up, we have Jason Tatum can't stop copying everyone. This is insane. hate.

I was trying to get off on my guy, man. Do you think he saw that? Was this from yesterday or something? I think so, actually. Did him just wore this? The two days after Bad Bunny's, I'm not going to lie,

he had to have looked in the closet and said, I'm gonna be like Bad Bunny. Nah, that's, this is terrible. He said, I'm on a little bit of shit today. When was the first time people said that Tedham was his copying people? Was it like, oh, the Kobe thing? Obviously, he was overly glazing.

And then did he say, like, for his final celebrations, he was like, we did it or whatever? people were overly hate on that but I don't think he was copying someone. He was copying KG. Ah, yeah. Correct. And that's the thing to understand this means you have to know the history of Jason Tatum being a biter.

So this is one of many. And then at the championship parade or not the parade, but like the after party, he did the county where he was like, they asked me what we would do if he didn't win the championship. I guess we'll never know. I've never seen that. That's terrible. Just threw up my mouth a little bit. That's terrible.

He did that at the after party all night, all night. Oh, I think he copied what they're going to say now too from Curry. He did. He's spamming the hits. He did. This is a great meme. W.

Meme. Unfortunately, he's not being in the allegations. Yeah, he is not. All right. Next up, we have A. O. Dussumu, I'm going to fix the wolves. I'm a fix wolves.

This is great. Anytime anything ever happens to Timber Wolves, this meme is brought out. And it's always funny. I always love it. I've never seen this section in Montefi. entire life. This is hilarious.

Really? Yeah. I'm a fixed wolves. I, what are you prepared to do about it? Are you prepared to fix wolves? He is. What time was he tweeting this at? This is ridiculous. So, 847 p.m.? 847.

What was he cooking at that point of time? Delive Boblo? 2016. Look at us. Wolves is the song, Del Lice of Boblu. He was the talk about fixing the mixing of it. Oh my gosh. It's amazing.

All right. The 2026 Super Bowl equals a 2023-5. Honestly, that fair. This is fair. If you remember, this is a NBA championship where the best team in the world, the Denver Nuggets, we're playing against a team

that should have been happy to be there just like the New England Patriots. Were these idiots like the eighth seat or something like that? Why are they idiots? They just weren't supposed to be there. They ruined like my weekend. Yes.

They ruined my week and a half, right? Like this is like the worst finals, one of the worst I've seen in my entire life. You know, it's great. And I've seen like LeBron be sweat before. That's at least entertaining. He gets folks 50. I have to watch games.

Vince and go nuts? Caleb Martin? Well, he did. No, that's the problem. They didn't go crazy in this series. They lost. For one game

and got gentlemen swept. I read a tweet during this week that said, I just put like the NBA TV logo. And they were cooking me. In hindsight, bro. You know what it was, man. NBA TV a series.

They really was. Yeah, this series did have zero or. Yeah. Terrible. Next up. If someone says NBA is soft, show them this picture.

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Thirsty Look at it They picked this picture Of them Just fucking mewing They're just thirsty What are you mean Look at this

Oh no You feel some type of way Right now How many copies Of the slam magazine Did you buy They got a slam magazine David Dern

He doesn't like He don't know He got one You can't You got to write After this Exactly Explan out of shipping

And all, man We'll put it on the wall behind B-sels But they're not even doing anything They're not fighting They're just standing there Being muscular I guess they see that black Takedop

And I say it's what I'm talking about Yeah, he's on timing That's what I'm talking about What does his shirt say? You let us astray I have no idea This is during summer league What?

Okay, obviously not It does not say that Does it not? What does it say? Come on now. Why would it say that? Look, look at the words. No, look at the words.

Bro, look at the words. No, don't look at me like that. Look at the words, bro. Okay. Beasel, what's your last name? No. No, what's your last name? Is that a death note?

Yeah, what's your last name? I've been waiting to pull this out the entire time. What did you have a name? You know my name, man. You don't have much time. What did you? What did he get that? I'm no idea where that came from.

Where did you get the death? Don't make plans on Saturday. it okay I'm gonna be with you what the you really think that he left the house in a shirt that said

sexual positions I am asking I am asking a question I'm asking and you thought that was a viable question yo what does it say then

what do you think it says I don't know but I know for damn sure it doesn't say sexual position I know that's the first thing you thought about

exactly that's okay all right y'all like guys let's let's bring it Let's bring it down. Okay, okay. I wonder what it does say, though.

Just a little bit. I mean, it's obviously not sexual on the top. That's fucking ridiculous to assume. But what does that say? Serial? And he said we're gaslighting him. We're just throwing around that word now. Oh, man.

Accusing someone a gas light is the weakest shit you can possibly do. That's the weakest thing to ever say to someone. I know you've been called a gas writer so many times. By you? By you? Not even before me. You're like, bro, fucking hate that. You had so much static for that.

It is so bitchman To be like, You're gaslighting me Every since I found out that you hate that word I'm like, oh, I got it. I can't eat your teeth. You're intentionally manipulating me. And are you back?

I know what you are. Just indirectly called Gapley. I don't know that. I see his game. All right, man, next me. Um, yeah, this is just a picture of Brandon Ingram during COVID with a crazy Popeye's order. Oh my God.

Wait, that's like a hundred pieces of fucking biscuit. It looks like a delightful day. I just wanted to recall the the Popeye's chicken sandwich craze of 20. What's going? Oh, this is 2020? Yeah, that's the bubble. What's wrong? That's your dream?

No, I say it's a good day. What do you mean a dream? Yeah. Give me your middle name too. That's a dream. Dream you dress. I'm lagging it, man. I said it's a cool day. What's wrong with that? You're so excited. Who's excited? I said, no. Give me your middle name too. In fact, never mind. I have your mother's number.

He says, it's a dream. It's a great day. This is awesome. Bro, just too. What's going on? Man, watching a bubble. Say, yay, chicken. No one said that. What is wrong with you? The light that blew in your eye. Bro, folks can't say nothing. Positive. I just said, what's wrong? It's not a meme. He's just chilling.

Like a glazed pot pie? Yeah, man. I'm not going to like this pod might cease to exist soon. It might be me dull, buddy. It's another strike for you. All right, next up, Wemby and Brani. The league is in good hands. It's just me.

Come on. I got to stop saying this man up. Why, man? Why? I feel like, I do feel like every. Picture I see a Bruny at this point. It always just feels like a setup. Nobody posts him normally.

Yeah. Nobody's like, look at this guy. It's always to get some kind of joke off to make some type of indictment. I saw him yesterday. He did an interview after the game. They're big of fun of his haircut. He can't do anything. Bro, that's hilarious.

Look at Wemby's face. He's just like, take the picture already. All right. All right, next up, Jalen Brown. These dudes should be grateful. They're lucky that I left my mark on them. You have the residue of a champion on you. Grateful is nasty work, man.

Come on, I just take your L and go. A lot of Celtics players are very nasty, and this is, honestly, I think, comparable to Paul Pierce's Do-to incident? No, no. You don't just be able to staves on people. I just realized that. That, that too.

But to Paul Pierce saying, saying, we just got to taste, I want the whole load. that's what this feels adjacent to. It feels like the cousin of that of saying I left my mark on you. Paul Pierce, he's the one who stated that first.

I forgot who he was talking about too. Wow. I thought it was talking about Janus. It was Janus. Yeah, there was some, some, some young player.

But this is. But this is ridiculous. But this is ridiculous. And it's also crazy. I hate this guy. bro, I hit the next one No, this is nuts

We got a thank you, Image for Dallas Mavericks at AD And so on a Snapchat said For what For what? For what? So many emojis, dog. Bro, we play like six games

What's going on? For what? Oh, my God. This will definitely be a meme You have to know Ball to understand 10 years from now. People were going to look at this and be like,

Mavericks AD That happened What? I saw people comparing AD this season to Dallas Amari Stadamar Oh Man we're in those conversations now

Tough And now he's the wizard My guy's going out so fucking sad Oh man I hate this This was actually What Donovan mentioned earlier You're not expecting me to stay on the bench

The fuck was I drafted to Detroit for Yo He's a man Principles who knows his place in the league and on the team, you have to respect it. Once again, free beef stew. Free them. How many?

Seven. Damn. Seven, too many. Exactly. You got one more than Ben Wallace. That's insane. What? I didn't even know that.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah, Leak soft. You're right. You're cooking. Too much food. Hey, so this report, God didn't see it, is that the Warriors were getting irritated with John the Camingo and his family because in the last weeks of his deal with the, because

in the last week, he was on the team. They were taking too much food from the team catering. I've never related to anybody more in my life. I, too, have hated somebody enough for no reason that I'll get mad at them for taking too much free stuff. I too have gotten so worn in with somebody that them just existing bothers me. This is pure. I hate you and I'll find any reason to slander you. You're picking too much food.

Been there. I get it. I've hated people to this degree. Who do you hate like this? People. I know a couple. I've met a few people with that. This guy taking all the free samples.

The fuck out of you. This guy's called out. I said you leaving a door too open for too damn long. He's all the Costco workers. This is your fifth round of samples, dog. Get the fuck off. This is so fucking funny because it was, even Seth Curry had to go ahead and comment under this

and defend Jonathan Kaminga. Me like, bro, they're doing too much. Go be great. So it's wrong, but I understand hate when I see it. Too much food is great. I feel it. And you do have to, on a certain level, you have to respect the hate and respect the again just the principle of it all of i don't like you

you can't do anything right and it's not going to change until you leave my sight forever i will send you to the other side of the country before you pick up another bagel and then i'll tell people how much i hated you taking the free food you've been banished to the hawks that's that's a fate worse than death all right these are just funny-ass youtube thumbnails that our community submitted i don't know if y'all remember this era of NBA YouTube thumbnails bro insane I don't want to explain

all of them we gotta take the keyboard away from his ass man yeah that Luca what is you what he's looking to and what is

LeBron saying oh shit I saw from one channel too I think I got no words Lucas killing me their face is making

Why has the LeBron playing baseball? What was the title of LeBron video? Like, what could you possibly be talking about your right? Ten secrets about, all right. Let me not, let me not. Ten hitting straight to LeBron James. All right, this isn't even a meme. This is just a tweet from the NBA account.

Wembe Spurs go for five straight. Victor Rambayama in the number two West Spurs. aim to stay hot as they visit Rui Hachamura and the number five West Lakers. I have sympathy for admins across the league. What are they supposed to do? Put Bronny up there.

I'd rather put Bronny up there. If we're going to go ahead and like, you know, you're going to get some clicks, go the whole mile. You're going to get Bronny roasted. He played well, not really. What if he did it? He played well.

What if he did it? Oh, man, injuries suck. Johnny Furfee, don't. That's all I think about when I see this shit, bro. I will never stop doing that. But if 30 else, we'll be doing that. Every time you see this picture, that's all you're going to be thinking about for the rest of your life.

What is your problem? Anthony Edwards, when things get hard, I get harder. I don't even know if this is real. I'm almost certain it's not. You can't rule it out, though. I'm going to keep running with it like it is because it's hilarious. It's not real. I don't know.

First of all, do you see the space in between the eye and the get? There's a lot of spaces between the, this is a fake quote. It's the best fake quote of all time. You can know how bad has to be in order for you to question if it's real or not? I'm going to assume it's real. You got to get hard a lot. Can't rule it out with me. Can't rule it out.

Let's play a game of eye spy. Do you all see who I see? Who do you see? I see Marco Bell in there. Jeff Teague in the back? I don't know. Ding ding ding ding. Jeff Teak is everywhere.

I saw the caption. You know what I was expecting? Kirkified somebody. I was fully expected to see Kirk on Bell & Lively's face. Fully expecting that. All right, we're on Twitter too much. I'm crying.

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Probably should have thought That I had to read these again Because these portable Oh Dick, Dick, Dick That's the last one That's the last one, thank God Stupendous Fantastic collection of memes for today

Nice NBA memes Next thing we're going to do With the season I keep thinking about I'm thinking about the YouTube stuff Nails. I'm thinking about the Yay Chicken.

You're crazy. Let's talk about what a ring this season would mean to every single superstar in the league. So if they were to be the team that has the final trophy by the time we hit June, what that would do for their legacy,

what that would do for how you talk about this player, and so forth. Finally. There. Finally. Legacy talk. First player up, Shea, Gildedus Alexander,

going back to back, what would that do for his legacy? It would stamp him as one of obviously the greatest players of all time. It would stamp him as having one of the greatest peaks of all time. Assuming he gets MVP, you have back-to-back MEPs, back-to-back championships. That only happens with Jordan with LeBron. Like you are in such a small category of player. Everything, all of the hate probably rises, but the shade stamping happens. It probably puts you on what?

Top 20 player trajectory, right there with Yannis? and Yokits and them? Yeah, yeah, I agree. Like, you're right, you're 100% because only other guys, guards. Only other guards who are like that, Jordan. It puts you above Yannis.

Third grade is two guard? Mm. Jordan, Kobe. The ceiling's there. If he goes back to back, the ceiling to be better than DO8 all time is certainly there. Wait, so all time,

so all time we consider him as a two. Two guard. As a two guard? I'm just thinking guards. Oh, whatever. If you were, if you were sure. Yeah, I just want to know. He's a point guard.

He, in another area, he'd probably be a two guard. So I guess we'll put him in point out of conversations. Yeah, because I think if Kobe played in this era, he would play like as you a game. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Are we comparing him to Mike and Kobe or to Magic and Steph? It probably depends on the rest of his career goes.

Let's just say guards. It's the only reason why is because then the conversation becomes where can he be higher at? Well, either way, it sounds like three is like the ceiling because he's not passing those two guys neither side. So the ceiling with the question would be if he gets another ring this year and we can say he can keep going. can he be the fifth greatest guard of all time one day would be the ceiling. That's great. Which does passing a lot of other greats

with the point guard position so that's not a given. But you know, Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Jason Kid, Oscar Robertson, two rings two MvPs would put you above

or with all of them. That's mad, yeah. Like that's Isaiah Thomas's catalog. Right. Can I tell you about IT? Catalog's a funny word. Discography. This record will be as good

as any of IT's record. It will be. It would be, he's a classic. Jalen Brunson. Record. It would make him the most famous athlete in, probably New York history. Really?

I don't know. It would solidify him. Yeah, Derek Jeter's pretty hard to beat. It would solidify him. It would solidify him in the top five. Okay. If he was, if he was the one to bring the Knicks of Championship after 50 years,

and on the one team that the city is not divided on, yes. Yeah, you're right. That would be the one. thing because getting a championship wouldn't vault him in the crazy all-time talks. It wouldn't do anything different. People already consider him a superstar player. It would make him a New York legend. It would

make him a franchise icon on the short list of Nick's goats. Yeah, I think people would also view him in a specific way where like a lot of people in the past or there's been a growing there where you can't win with small guards. Remember a couple years ago, Beckingham was like, yeah, like I don't think you could win with small guards. And she pointed at him directly. And I think we would

have to look at his superpowers, his ability to get buckets. Whether it be on balance, off balance, contested, uncontested, he's just one of the greatest scores of all time. Yep. Victor Womenyama, to get a ring this young, to beat the Thunder presumably, to beat the Nuggets, presumably, what would that do for his legacy? He is on goat status. That is, like, he is on the way, obviously. Year 3 championship?

That's ridiculous. Top 5 player in the world, year 3, winning a championship year 3? You can't ask for a faster start than that. That's doing waste of. Yeah. You know? That's bad. Yeah.

So you now have the official. track to be to be the goat you are ahead of schedule for a lot of the other guys because a lot of other guys just don't have it until like year six or year seven really year seven year eight yeah this this is like magic johnson type stuff this would jump start the combo of like oh we do have the next lebron james now like right now it's like oh he theoretically can be this this and that if he wins this fast okay we have our new lebron like this is our new defining player of all time yeah those face the league conversations better shut down if one b wins it would it would and instantly.

Jalen Brown, if he wins a championship without Jason Tatum ever coming back, what does that do for him? Discourse hell. It ruins us. What does it do for him? It ruins me. Oh, my God. So obviously, it would ruin Jason Tatum's legacy.

What to do for John Brown's? It would boost up, it would boost up Jalen Brown's legacy enormously. Yeah, everything that he said he was, everything that he thought about himself is actually true. He would deserve to be MVP of the year, whatever the case may be, that those coverings. are fucking valid. He'd be talking about as a top 10 player for the next several years

and retroactively we would say he was always a top 10 player. He'd get that nod and would instantly become a Hall of Famer. Yeah. You'd also have to, you'd have to trade Tatum. Just that embarrassment?

No. Jalen Brown is not going to go back to being a second option. He said, I sacrificed everything for too long. For you? Not anymore. You think Tatum would stay as a two?

Huh? You think Tatum would stay as a two if they win one together with him as a two? Yeah, I think Tatum would be fine with it. Yeah. Come off of Achilles tear. can you know you chill bro damn trade my guy i'm just i'm just saying and jaylon brown said and

obviously like if they win the championship i'm going to assume that jaylon brown is going to win finals MVP that means that he has two finals MVP two finals and he's the one that now everybody can look at and say oh he was sacrificing for the better man of the team he was always the better player taitam needed to be like him tough yonis he gets back to the mountaintop and wins this year with this team. Gets into the play-in, gets out of the playing. With this team. Beats the number one seed pistons and wins with Ryan

Rollins and KPJ. I'm sorry. No, fuck that. He's top 10 off-time. Fuck that. He's top five all time. Top 15 to 20. If he wins with Ryan Rollins, KPJ and

Cam Thomas in the same roster, probably finishing games of them. Dude, that's beyond like the LeBron level shit that he was doing back in 2018 because these are these set of players, if you put them on any other like NBA team, they're not being like... Need I not mention Kyle Kuzma? Miles Turner. This would be the greatest ring of all time and it would not be close.

Yeah, especially like during the storyline, a bit of it too, how he almost requested a trade. Everyone left. Yeah, this would be great. He'd be insufferable forever. Yeah. If that happened, he would pretend he never had anything to do with it. Now he's just the goat from never leaving the bucks. You'll be just like how we thought I.

The all thing people will retroactively look at the best in the world. conversation over the last couple of years and say it was always the honest. Yes, 100% because he'd have the greatest ring of all time. I don't think it was say it was always Yonich is Yokic, but I think they'll probably be like, it was always 1A, 1B. You cannot underestimate how insane this ring would be. They'd rewrite everything. Yeah.

Dylan Brooks. The son's been the title this year. Yo, Matt, SB and him are running. They're doing a tour of America. Yon everyone, you're raw, you're raw, you're raw. Bill Simmons die slow. Yeah, if Dylan Brooks gets a championship, he becomes the new face of Canadian basketball. I think he starts a foundation.

It's the prime minister. Yeah, he starts a foundation in Toronto to develop basketball players. He just becomes that guy. We are going to get one of the craziest and most entertaining media runs in the offseason. He'd have to join the WWE. This is going to be the most insufferable champion of all time. That would be so fun. That would be so fun.

Heath would fit right into it. Nicole Yokicch, if he gets back. back to the mountain top beast of thunder what does they do for him three MVP's two rings um puts him he's officially top 10 consensus probably you top consensus so he passes up hekeem and curry and maybe Kobe like that type of tier yeah if he wins the ring it's a he can retire today and be top 10 uh-huh i don't know if he be consensus but he definitely could be like you could easily argue he's better than those three guys maybe yeah yeah if he gets back that's a lot man because and we'll see yeah we'll see how it's possible like okay c is one

one shay injury away from Denver win the title. So we might be in a, if shake is hurt, they're going to win the title, presumably. This summer we might be having talks that Yokic has laughed Kobe. He'd be creeping up on top five, to be honest with you. Top five is a lot. Top five is a lot.

Top five trajectory, he has to accumulate more seasons. But, I mean, that many MPs, that many rings. That's worth of consideration. Five is so hard to break into. It is hard. You got to be like pristine and early. early on to the scene as well to be top five. You have to get three or four.

Yeah, because at that point, we had to aim for Bird as a comparison. So, you need a few more rings. I feel like for me, the only three locks all the time is the top three. Four through ten is very interchangeable. You're right to some extent. But I think for him to get the argument, it'd have to be very similar to Bird's resume. Otherwise, we'd look at it and be like Bird has two more rings.

And same things. Also three MVP's. Also offensive player, Goon for his time. Yeah. But he would get shouts, though, for sure. Yeah. Cade Cunningham. Oh, my goodness.

Wow. Yeah, if he gets the ring, he's vaulted into top. Also, if they would have ring this year with no other offensive player like that around him. One of the more impressive rings? Yes. I do think this then becomes on the mantle with Dirk's 2011. Because then they would have to either go through OKC going back to back or Denver and Yokic. I'm assuming those two are going to get out the west.

Or Wemby. And just the overall better player in that sense, it puts him in where he's at the back half, a top 10 right now. And even then, that's like a couple guys are out. So he lapsed Jason Tatum is what I'm hearing. Yes, it puts him at at five. Does he actually lap Tatum? He lapsed Anthony Edwards.

If he wins a ring. He does. If he wins a ring this year, he's better than he gets above him. He gets above Tatum. Better than him. Are we serious? Keep that alien. Yes.

If he wins a ring this year, he is better than him. Yeah, he wins a ring. Kevin Durant, if he gets his own ring outside of Golden State. That does absolutely nothing for him. Nothing? No, I disagree. That is a lot. What's a lot?

How are you, are you viewing him any differently than you do right now? He has no doubt top 10. No doubt top 10 all time. And if you tell me he has three wings, what wings? He has three rings. The MVP can be, can be. We can look at him and say he's the greatest score of all time. He's in that conversation.

One of the most flawless wing players is like on paper in terms of like skill. You can argue he's won if you really, really want. You know what? I can agree with that because this team, as time has gone on, I think less and less of them. I think there's just a bunch of like one-way players. I'm not comparing it to the honest thing, but this team should not win a championship at all. If he wins this ring, why is his resume and his all-time ranking different than Shaq?

Peak? Because Shaq has, yeah, peak and Shaq has four. But the whole argument is going to be at his peak. He was the best and you can look at him compared to anybody and he has the ring without help, with help. Like, obviously Shaq would rank a little higher. but in terms of like resume, like I feel like they'll be right next to each other.

All the talking points will be the same. Yep. I don't know. So I'm, what I'm saying is this would vault him to like eight all time maybe, right now people probably think about him like 12 or 13. Wow. Because I feel like you think about him very similar to Shaq.

Now you still might go Shaq for the rings like you said. He'd repeated. I'm not saying you rank him above him. But they'd be in the same tier. Yeah, they would be. I figure right. I think I had Shaq, around like seven to,

yeah. So Shaq's the most dominant player ever. Katie's the most skilled player ever. Like they'd bowl. get those same monikers. I will say how good KD would need to play for them to win a ring. He has average 35. Yeah.

He's so crazy. He'd have to go insane. Yeah. You're getting a lot of respect. John Morant. Oh, hell not. This would be the most insufferable person. Oh, hell no.

If he comes back and wins a championship. Yo, he's flashing bazookas. He's out the league already. He don't even give a damn after that. He's done Panama. He's bringing out. He's on the court. He's bringing out a real weaponry.

Military weaponry. Shit that you mean, we ain't got here yet. We got everything here. You have lasers? And he's flashing it right at Adam Silver. Pulling out ray guns in this bitch. Blasting young boy, too.

It'll be dive-bonged. If I find a way to get a spaceship. That would be so hard. He would do that. If you get a ring in a spaceship in the same time, you got it. That'll be so hard. You got it.

You're a hint. You're a 12. You're a bad guy. What are we talking about? James Hardin. Yo, you're tough, bro. James Hardin. What if he finally gets his ring with the Cavaliers?

Finally gets his fifth opportunity and succeeds. It would be one of the, well, also, it depends how it happens. Actually, you know, it doesn't. Let's say he's really good. Oh, then it becomes this, like, narrative of like James Harden went through all of these things, but then eventually, like, overcame the mountain. Yeah. Finally gets the monkey off his back. Finally gets to criticism gone.

Now he's undeniable. Now he is top 30 all time. Is one of the best players ever. No more. One of the best rings ever. This is just a defining player of his era. Yeah. I don't think a singular ring for him and his, like, long, lengthy, like, reputation will, like, dismiss, all of that. But you're right. Like,

who be not vaulted necessarily, but he finally gets a step. Do you think so? It dismissed it for Dirk. Yeah. If he got one, it. It completely dismissed it for Dirk. There's a long, his trail is longer than Dirk. Dirk was the one seat, if he lost the eight seed. He was also slandered like that.

And obviously 2011 was like exceptional. So that is a lot of heavy lifting. In 2006, they were off like two one. And that's the part where it makes it different for me because he wouldn't play the same role as Dirk. He would be like the second guy, maybe the third guy behind Mowgli or whatever the fuck. Yeah.

But even that, I think because if they win the ring. Mowgli. Hell no. Because it ain't defensive. Hell no. If they win the ring, then also what gets brought into it. It's not only the fact that he like overcame all of the like playoff

stuff, but his longevity then becomes like a significant part of the talking points of like he stuck around long enough, was good enough, long enough to where it still mattered that he was able to push a team to a championship. Yeah. So then you started talking about him in those conversations. Yeah. And this team

specifically like they couldn't, they've been struggling for years. And he saved them from having need to blow it up. Yeah. Yeah. It would also go down instantly as the best in season trade of all time to trade for this guy the deadline and win the championship. That's the greatest trade ever. Yeah.

Kauai Leonard. He gets another. That'd be three rings, presumably three finals MVP's. It's already hard to talk about Kauai when it comes to all-time conversations because you know what he is as a talent. The resume don't necessarily stack up to it because it's just like no MVP's, a couple of NBAs, a couple of all-stars. Top of the team solidified.

It would be the most story-like ring of all time because he, you know, he's a lot of, because he would get a championship. You would bring an extra layer of legitimacy to the clippers. And then we would never see him again because he's going to get suspended. It'd be like in the movies when guys are going out shooting and like they know that they're going to die. That would be what it's like with Kauai Leonard. He blew up with the Death Star. At that point in time, you're right.

Because like what else are you playing for? You don't need to do anything else. Like if he, bro, if they win the ring and then he gets suspended and they like tear up his contract or something like that, this is like just one of the craziest storylines of all times. So, okay, so if he wins a ring, he immediately has one of the most fascinating careers in sports history. At the very least, it will be interesting and we'll never stop talking about it. He'll be the most unique athlete I've ever seen. Luca Donchich.

If he wins in L.A. this year with LeBron James, getting him his fifth ring, but obviously with him being the sidekick, with the flawed roster, dismantling the OKC team that might be a dynasty, where does that put Luca? It puts Luca very, very high. and it makes sure that Nico Harris has to move to Bali because he can't live here anymore He can't do it anymore

We deport Nico Harrison He has to move to Bali Yeah that's what it'd be at Yeah, that's where the royalty over there I didn't know that okay The best in the world conversation Is gonna get really nasty No no no there won't be best in world conversation

It'd be Luca Yeah It would just be Lucas the best in world For the summer at least No but it'll be a it was always Luca type of conversation Yep He's gonna rewrite so many nasty narratives

I will be writing history I will be making He got robbed in 24. I don't even believe that. I'll believe it then. I'll change my mind about 2024, two years later if he wins a ring for the Lakers. Yep.

Also, if the Lakers win a championship, we talk about people being insufferable, JJ Reddy would be the most arrogant person on the board. Oh, my God. If he coached his team to a championship. He might run for president the next year just because he thinks he can do anything. Everything you touches turns the goals.

Podcasting demon, coaching demon. I can rule the world. Who's in a stop reading? Luke of my retire Mike's going on top Anthony Edwards Oh man we're seeing the most craziest

Conference finals Parade ever post championship Two conference finals in a row And then you win the ring That's progression That's being on track People are immediately putting you in conversations All the time with Dwayne Wade

And comparing you to him You know that'd be a good comparison Yeah They can't win a ring And he didn't even need to get his shack He just did it out of the muscle If Rudy Gobert If Rudy Gobert gets a ring

What's he got doing for discourse? If Julius Randall gets a ring? Nothing. Nothing. For someone like him's doing a lot of it. Rudy Gobert, NBA champion? No, that's the funny part. If he carries Rudy Gobert and Julius Randall

two players that were cast off from their team and written off as being non-winning players you can't do anything with and he's like, give me the broken parts I got him. Impressive ring. It is. Top five for impressive room? I don't know.

Rudy Gober. What does we do we do with Rudy Gobert gets a finals MVP? Finals MVP unanimously. Yo, something terribly must have witnessed like some horrific accident on the court. If he got finals MVP, like everyone died. Multiple playing crashes. I guess we got to give it a Rudy. It's him or bones, I suppose.

Bones. Oh, God. No, if you get, if Rudy Goberg is champion and finally, final MVP, it is Bill Russell and him. That's how it is. Because the level that he would have to play at, if he just all of a sudden just starts taking spin faders all day.

Remember when he dicked down the Lakers last year in like 25? Did that for whole series? Whenever you go average 25 in the finals. I can't battle that. Like 20 rebounds or something like that. 27 and 20. He went eight shaked.

Now, if he did do that, the first words out of his mouth, like everybody else, It's like, yo, you know, shout to God. Shout to my coaches, whatever. He has to curse shack out. Number one thing. He used to have a list of fuck yous.

Absolutely. And that is the last one. And it would be deserved. I'd be like, you got to get it off. Drey Moll got to be on that list too, for sure. I would love that. In his acceptance speech, he's like, also, by the way, Shaquil Anil, go fuck yourself.

That would be hilarious. And I got one money to you. Now what? Next thing we are going to do. We are going to talk about the worst draft misses of the last 15 years or so. I'm going to show you a series of NBA draft bus. We had to put them into this tier list based on why they failed. So these are all players from our era from like the 2013 draft onwards,

putting them in here with categories like injuries ruined you. You had some moments in another era. You're him. You refuse to change. You were the wrong choice from day one. and everything went wrong. Okay. So starting off,

who'd be a fun one to start with? Let's go Jabari Parker. Why did Jabari Parker fail in the NBA? He refused to change. That could be a part of the conversation. He fits in multiple. He really does. Yeah, in another area,

you'd be him. Also, injuries did ruin you too. I don't know. I think this era he could be him. Like a 6-9, do-it-all driver-shooter. He's not a do-it-all, because he wasn't a shooter for real. Yeah, that's a problem.

He refused to change. But his archetypes still works today, so I don't think I'm going to give him in another error pass. Yeah. It's really injuries ruined you if you want to be kind or you refuse to change

if we feel like it was more than just injuries. I think he would have been still a productive NBA player if he would at least like gave effort defensively or expanded his game to three point in consistently too.

So I think he refused to change is perfectly fine. Are you saying he'd be Paolo? Best case scenario. Yeah, I guess. Best case scenario? Paulo? Without PR is right now?

Well, best case scenario, I guess is Camelo Anthony. But it ain't. realistic case scenario where he stayed healthy he could have been Palo. It's also Palo's best case. All right, no mind. It's not about Paulo. You refused to change. I think he got hurt, came back,

still didn't really adapt like that. If he either stayed healthy or changed a little bit, he could have had a role player here. You had to do one of those two. To be up on your press conference when you get signed to Chicago and then be like, yeah, like they don't pay me to play defense is one of the most damning things to hear as a fan. True. Jalil Okafore.

In another era, you're him. In the 1990s. You are a demon. You are an all star. You have no idea how confused I was as a 16, 17 year old watching him go crazy one year and then just be unplayable to the next. I thought he had like some type of insane disease. Like how can you be this good and then follow up so fast?

You should change real quick in the NBA for him. Ricky, you're right. Like he was so flawed and I think if we were like if we were educated fans back then and not 16 we'd probably be like, oh, the defense isn't that good. It's not that efficient. I don't know. But to go from 70, was it 18? puts your game or 16 something like that yeah around there and then nothing the next year like

the league changed overnight and you had left behind that's tough that damn step currie ruined his career tough yeah he would have been checked though step cur you owe jolo oaken for a hundred million dollars crazy work thorn maker everything went wrong wrong toys from day one I don't know everything everything yeah just one of those scratching busts there's no way He loved her. Nothing. Say it. I know what he was going to say.

During our month, you were to say that, he was saying, oh, damn, he's so black. Give me off the screen, man. Give me off the screen. You're going to flee. Yeah. No, I didn't say that. I didn't say that.

What were you thinking? I didn't say that. You're the one that said that. I didn't say that. He didn't give me no pushback at all. He just said, I do not say that. Yeah, no. He didn't say his other thought.

He didn't say what he really wanted to say. Oh, man. Lonzo Ball. Damn. I'm going to say injuries and ZO2s ruined you. Yeah, injuries ruined him. Because, you know, he was never going to be, Steph Curry with a 40-inch vertical.

the stars weren't aligned for that but he was on course to be an amazing role player for a long time and injuries ruined him so he was gonna be a little disappointing for a number two pick but he was gonna be a damn good player for a long time bro magic Johnson said your jersey's going right up there next to mind or you see you had some moments

because 2021 happened that 30 games was a moment he was the youngest triple double ever a moment that 30 games was a moment youngest triple double ever he threw some him and lebron were the only teammates to have triple doubles and back to back games There was a couple moments right there

That's an ESPN stat Yeah No Injuries ruined you He couldn't stand up for three years Like no I'm gonna say injuries ruined you Taking Stephen Neath Smith's side on this issue

You were worse than anybody You've ever met He couldn't stand up I've never seen someone's jump shop Be talked about as much as Lonzo's man Peak Lanzo's form Discourse Yeah

Dude he had so much cloud back then It was ridiculous I remember you remember like the Was his first game ever against like the Clippers and that was when Patrick Bevry like shoved him. Killed him or whatever. Locked him up. Yeah.

There were YouTube careers built off Alonzo. Yeah. There's not a lot of NBA players you can say that. That's fair. I feel like my life is on the line every time Lonzo played a game in his rookie year. Yeah. I was like if this guy's not good, I'm over. I think there was one game in his rookie where he put up like 27 or something.

It's game two. Or the sun. It was game two. Game one, he got locked at Pat Bev. I went to school. I think that's freshman year in college. sad. I felt like my life was over

and we dropped to the bus. I can't believe this. Next day I get home, see the game, 27 against the suns. He had like six threes. Yeah. Ridiculous man.

That summer league run with him and in Kourkewarm. And Josh Hart. I think was Caruso there? I think Ingram was no, Ingram was too good. He didn't play.

But yeah, he was the one game. It was the lights game. It was the light skating Lakers in some of them. Yeah, man. The lights campers. John and Caminga.

Wrong choice day one. or either that or everything went wrong. It could be you refuse to change too. It's a refuse to change. I think he's the poser boy if you refuse to change. Steve Kerr just like, please cut and play some defense, grab a rebound or two and hear golden $20 million is heading your way. He said, fuck that, I'm a bucket.

Even then, the reason why I would still go, everything went wrong is because you can have that. But to have the organization being like, bro, you're taking too much food. Now it's personal. Now it's beyond basketball. The way you talk to me is different. All he had to do is change. And they have to take all the food you want.

They've never told Jimmy Butler you take too much food. I promise you, Jimmy Buller takes tons of food. Probably. I swear to you, he does. I know Jimmy Butler. Marvin Bagley. Wrong choice. Day one for sure, man.

They picked them over Luca. Yeah. I remember, I don't know. I forget who it was, but someone in their front office had relations to Lucas' dad or Lucas head coach back overseas or whatever. and they were so stale on just like, yeah, no, fuck that guy. We're taking him. We're taking this athletic floor.

It was their head coach was Dave Yeager. Yeah. Who worked with Luca, his entire life growing up as a basketball player. He was so mad. And he didn't take him. Everyone swore they would take him. Well, first they swore the sons would take him. Because I think it was their GM or maybe it was their head coach at the time.

It was the sons I'm thinking about. You're right. The sons also had ties to him. Yeah. That the sons had, I can't remember if it was their head coach. I think it was their head coach. Yes. So they swore he would take him.

And then Dave Yeager also had some ties to Luca. No, no, no, Dave Yager had nothing to do, Luca. Dave Yager's American. I think you're talking about the head coach of the son. The coach of the sons and the GM of the kings had connections to him. So they were like... But I remember Dave being upset that they... Well, yeah, because Dave's a smart person.

Yeah. He was like this moronic. But it wasn't because they're pals. You're right. It was the son's coach was hired and he was the coach of Luca. And then Vladay Divac is somebody who had connection with Luca. So they're like, surely he's going to pick the European. He did not.

They laid dinner fox standing in their way big. Damn. Crazy. So yeah, Sharperman Bagley, still in the league, still being an effective role player. Still earning a job. So he's not a all-out bust. You just got picked over to Luca. Yeah.

So you got, you're the best player on his list, probably. Has nobody ever had some moments? There's probably some moments coming up, I would assume. Mark Cowell Fultz. Everything went wrong. Yeah. Everything. This is the worst.

Yeah, from the injuries to the shot form to the mental side of it. Yeah, everything went wrong. Can you believe he's out of the league now? Yes. He had a resurgence to a. in Orlando that I was happy about. He said, yeah, pretty plausible. That's still stands to reason.

That's so crazy. So everything did go wrong for him. Should we be kind and give him injuries ruined you? Because that's the origin of it all is like, apparent freak injury from a motorcycle crash allegedly ruined you. You would have been an NBA superstar, but that one injury ruined your career from the jump and everything else is a cascading effect.

I don't know. I don't even know if I can say injuries ruined you because like at least someone like Lonzo, we could point to some tape with Mark Hill. There's zero tape in that. Because the injury happened before the NBA. It's so unfortunate. He can't shoot because that injury. And that made everything fall apart.

Honestly, he could go on either one. Everything was wrong or injuries wrong. He was an elite shooting prospect. They got hurt off the court and couldn't shoot. That's fucking outrageous. Nothing else that came after matters. That's insane. Yeah.

They were comparing him to James Hardin. And Damien Laird. Bro, we're having these guard prospect conversations now with Darren Peterson. Y'all got to watch the Markell highlights, man. Special guy. Special good. I'm going, I would go everything went wrong.

Everything went wrong though. I put the spirit of that is you suck at everything. Marco did suck at everything. No, he could slash. Yeah, you said that magic research. Yeah,

I'd say injuries ruined you. He didn't, he didn't, all right, if you're laying that magic resurgence, bump them up. That was like, you got like a $10 million contract.

That wasn't a nothing resurgence. That was a few years of being a starting point guard. I mean, they didn't have a point guard for a long time. Listen, man, thought maker is everything went wrong. That's the type of players we're dealing away. That's the lowest tier for her reason. I can see that.

Okay. Let's not do more Kelle that way. Moamba. Again, he might be everything went wrong. He was really the wrong choice day one. Dude, people back then were saying, yo, this is Rudy Gowayor with a three-point shot. They were like, yo, this is AD if you give him even more length. Nasty conversations.

And he would more length is crazy. Yeah. AD can't handle them with more length. He's already long. Like, he has the longest we spend the length. league you got drafted, you can't give him too much more length. This was disgusting. He was the wrong pick from day one, right? Some like KD comparisons to

was he the wrong thing in day one? I mean, everything you described, that's a pretty good prospect for the fifth pick. It never made no sense. It never made no sense. Yeah, it did. He just wasn't very good, but like it made sense to think like the defense and stuff. Yeah, it did. But when it comes to like how they skewed up his offensive talent, it was

such a drag because I don't think he ever showed an ounce of creation. No, but like he should have been like New Age version of Dwight Howard. Yeah, if you can be an elite prospect that has that size and shot blocking ability and some three point shot capabilities you were worth your pick. I don't think he was the wrong choice

especially because he went after all the best guys. He went five. The problem is he just wasn't very good. Exactly at all. So I was something like everything went wrong. He never had a good outstanding year. But as a prospect, he was okay. But so the tier that-

All these guys are good as prospects, that's irrelevant. Because you were a good prospect. That's what I'm saying. He wasn't wrong choice day one. He was the right choice. But everything went wrong because none of the abilities

that were on paper supposed to come to fruition. came to fruition. Yeah, like a couple of picks later right before that, there's a similar guy to you, except he's a little smaller who did the exact same thing as you, but he actually had proof and concept in three-point shooting, which is Jaron Jackson Jr. back then. He went four and above him.

Didn't Moamba go three? No, he was five. Had some moments for the song? No, let me chill. Low-key. Okay, how are we going to affect this into this? Loki. He had a moment.

Fuck it. He had a moment. He had a summer. He might be the only one who had a moment. I don't think we can say in another area you're him. Because he's just big. I don't think he's like the post-movie like that. So I guess everything went wrong. Yeah.

I can't even see her refuse to change. You tried. It just didn't work. Damn. He's still in the lead now. I think he got, he's part of Raptors. He just got picked up.

Yeah. He just got picked up. Yeah. And his freedom. Often forgotten. Number three picking the draft. And his canter. Everything went wrong.

You just suck. His name was not free. Everything went wrong. She's just horrible. I don't know what to do with this. And I can't, like, In another era, you're not him. He would have been decent.

Maybe he would have been decent. Maybe he would have defended better in the 90s, doesn't the move as much? Yeah. I'm not going to give him your him, though. In another era, you could have been, like, in the NBA. Wasn't he, like, in six-man conversations one year? No. Okay.

Fake conversation if so. Maybe he was, like, the one of us. Maybe somebody had the conversation. Someone brought it up. Yes. Hey, how about? Somebody made a comment or two. Look, whatever path he went down is the wrong path.

Everything went wrong for him. Yeah. I think being at Kent, it was better. Josh Jackson. Josh Jackson. Nobody's had some moments on this list. What the fuck? Yo, he was bust.

Josh Jackson, the ceiling that he was supposed to be at. Kawai Convo's, man. I want to Josh Jackson overtate him that draft. That's bad, yeah. And you weren't ridiculous. You went wrong. He was mad, athletic. Defensive tools were there.

The shot was just always broke. Is it just everything went wrong? He just weren't good? Everything went wrong. He just weren't good. He got into some legal battles too, which, like, Oh, yeah.

What happened? Everything. What kind of legal battles be talking? Totally. Yeah. Do you nasty man? No, not nasty men.

Just don't want to, you don't want them around the room. I mean, it happened if you can't just say it. I think you put hands on somebody. Oh, so he's a nasty man. I mean, so I guess if we're nasty man's different from moniker.

Okay. Yeah. 2017 got three, um, selections on you. That's kind of crazy. It is crazy. I thought you were about to say the 2017 is three nasty men.

and who is this oh Anthony Bennett I had to I had to lead him I had to lead him to recognize him my bad Anthony Bennett

let's just keep him off this right now wrong choice day one definition I'll never forget the Bill Simmons moment of the 2013 draft whoa

whoa Iconic. That was the most baffled I've ever been in a sports event. Man. Really? Ever. Ever.

Those one of the first drafts I really followed as a kid and I was Victor LaDipo. Let's go. Avi's number one pick. I didn't even really know who Anthony Bennett was. He was projected like nine.

Yeah. He was just a guy. He went number one. We need that more often. That happened. That's like Colin Murray Boyle's going one last draft. No, really. We need that.

That's Patrick Williams is going number four. For no. reason. Sometimes they come out of nowhere at four. They come out of nowhere at one. Yeah. So I guess the best comp would be the 2024 draft since that draft class was bad.

That would be that Cody Williams randomly going number one. And we were like, surely it's going to be Sarr and it's Cody Williams. Damn. That's lit. I would like more intrigue around the draft like that. Deer and Fox has replaced Janus

at the All-Star game. Shout out Fox, man. Okay. Shout out Fox. Okay. Let me make some call. Wait, is it modern day Anthony Bennett's Zachary Reischette?

Yeah, but people knew he'd go once. It wasn't surprised. Oh. Yeah, he was like talked about for a while. Yeah. But low-key, you're not far off. When he was brought off, I was like, no, Anthony Bennett. He did nothing in the league.

It's not comparable. What's his career? Let me see where his career high is. Who? Anthony Bennett. Career high in single game? 14. 16.

I don't know. I'm going to say, ever take a guess. I'm going to say 21. So, Ricky, yeah, he probably played some minutes, but not even. Like, he didn't play full starter minutes. 12. 18. No, not 12.

18? 18 is the guess. 18 for you? What's your guess? 21. 21. 21, B, souls? 12.

12. 18 is, I think I'm being nice. Yeah. Is that pulling up? I remember he had like maybe, I remember specifically like two or three games back in his rigue year. It is 20 points. Damn, I was close.

I caught one of them games when I was 13. No. November. November 21st, 2014. Against the spurs. In 2014? Yeah. Damn.

Yeah. Against the 2014 spurs. Okay. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. You're right. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Let's talk about when the games are arresting everybody and making headlines for reversing stars.

In November? Shit. Yo, Popper's a demon back there. He had a moment. He had a moment. Kevin Knox. He had a moment. He had a Summer League moment.

Summer's a day one for that fucking suit he had, dog. The suit, the Fortnite jacket, moments. Summer League, moments. Dude, during Summer League, I literally thought this motherfucker was Yonest and a Tatum hybrid. He was that fucking different, bro. That different. You love Summer League. Are we going to give him some moments?

No, man. No, yeah. Yeah, that too. And then also remember when Zion first came to Summer League and he ripped the ball off of him too, he had a bad moment, but it was an iconic moment. It was a moment. Moments were had. Yeah.

Stop it. We got to put Kevin Knox there. James Wiseman. Bro, he sucked. James Wiseman. Everything went wrong. Do you think another error? You're him?

No. No. Wrong choices. Didn't they pick him over a lamello? Yeah Yeah, but also like We say that Lamello and Steph Curry

Like how does that work? Yeah, yeah It was a drafting off need It was a debatable choice I think a lot of people A lot of smart draft people knew James Wiseman had some flaws Nobody was talking about

But it wasn't a horrible You could understand the pick Yeah Just because Lamello was so Like how the fuck would you play with Curry Yeah, it was I get it I get it

And like the halibur and stuff They were never gonna pick another point guard Especially not one that's not Knock out of the park Like Lamello Yeah so I get it You can't blame him Although, like, they were like, going back to what you said, smart people were like, yeah, this guy doesn't have much tape at all when it comes to college because he was like suspended and some more shit like that and ended reinstatement.

It was a whole mess, but. Low motor. Everything went wrong. Then you tore your Achilles. Everything went wrong. Killing Hayes. Actually, I don't know if every, I think for me personally, at least we put him wrong choices in one because there was no word where he was going to be useful or good. For useful, it's great.

Yeah. Everything went wrong. You're stretching it out. There's definitely one where you could have been average. It might have been a reach But there's definitely a world He could have been a competent big Next to Gary

I don't know But incompetent big in number two Yes That's what they needed For the second pick Again do you want them to pick Lamelo? I'm sorry is everything Is Obi Topping

Brides it up your draft board? Watch me Killing Hayes She Has he ever had a moment Remember when Pre-draft Who was her old coach before J.B. Bickerstaff?

Oh, was Monty Williams used to start him and Kate Cunning him? He played him way too much. The moment was Monty Williams was obsessed with him. That's crazy work. Started him over Jaden Ivy. At the moment, it was debatable. Or not debatable. It was slandered because J.

J.N.V.E. had all the promise in the world. Taking the ball out of Cade's hands is nasty work, bro. I can't even say he refused to change because, like, what do you want him to do? Do he just drop, like, 50 in the G League? Yeah, he's a goon in the G League. Wrong choice. You never had no moment. Yeah, injuries.

Yeah, bro. Wrong choice, day one. I guess. It just shouldn't have been the pick. I liked him so much as a prospect. I thought he was like going to be Jewelry, French Jewel holiday. That's a wild cop.

Yeah. I mean, if you think of killing Hayes as a prospect, like what comes to mind? Big guy. You play defense. He's not the best score in the world. What a sad tier list. Oh, my God.

No words. I have no words. Could have been Drew Holiday. Yeah. If only. If only. Next thing we are going to do, we're going to do the forehead game.

Perfect. Everybody has a headband, including B-soles. Yes. And we are going to draw players. We're going to mix up a little bit. Instead of sitting here and going back and forth to see you can get it first, cool. We are going to take turns.

And how this is going to work is, I'll go first and I'll have to keep guessing my player until I get it right, keep guessing hints, and then Mo and the Donovan and so forth. So. My head, big and shit. Dude, I struggle to fit mine around this hat just now. Bro.

Okay. I don't see my hat here, y'all. So I covered up the cams. None of us can see you on the cameras anymore. Be soles, you already have one over there. I put it on there for you. You can put your forehead. Am I good?

Yes. Okay. Completely your wrong side. There we go. Where the fuck is my, my slip? right there oh okay gotta spin this picture around it's all tight

there you go there you go okay there you go backwards oh backwards okay close your eyes I'm just throw you on just pass it to me get the one you're not having to throw paper accurate

okay so you got your name on yours yes okay okay let's see Donovan's in bro cool so well you're struggling yeah There we go. So I'll go first and I'll ask you guys questions and we'll take turns.

Is my player a superstar? No. No. Is my NBA player a point guard? No. Damn it. Is my NBA player someone you consider a good shooter? No.

Oh my God. What does he do? Is my player a good defender? Yes. Thank God we find some redeeming quality. Non-superstar, good player, good defender, no shooting. Is my player cool? Yes.

Yes. He's on right. He's a very cool defender. And people will consider him cool? Some might say performative, though. He's cool, though. He's cool. I don't say, I wouldn't say very cool, but people, they like him.

But performative? He performs cool as a defender that can't shoot? No, he's cool. Are he bean people up? No. No. Does that player hurt people? No.

Okay, okay. How to make a test of waters. Is my player a current player? Yes. Yes. Non-shooter. Performative defender today. So we just be doing too much.

You're fucking me up with the performative shit. Is my player on a contender right now? No. So he's an irrelevant performative defender? He's performing for the love of the game? Mm-hmm. Oh my God. Don't think about performing too much.

You can't caught up a lot on that. Okay. Is my player in the Eastern Conference? No. Okay, Western Conference. Performative non-contender. Is this Dylan Brooks? No.

No. Good guest, though. Good guess. So it's doing books adjacent. She's taking the performance. Just be doing too much Marcus Smart? No.

I'm thinking of all the former defenders I care. Not a good shooter, not a superstar defender. Not on a good team. Is this Draymond Green in 2026? No. Oh, damn. But also, it is. Western Conference.

That's what fucking me up too. He's kind of get hate off. Is my player six foot five or shorter? No. He's a big guy. Is he a big man? No. No.

So he's a power forward? No. Small forward? Yeah. I get to the bottom of this shit. You got to hurry up, man. I know. I'm fucking fumbling.

Performative defenders that can't shoot. Don't do it again. Take perform it about your mind. I can. He said it for a reason. There's my player on the California team. Yes. He's on the Warriors?

Yes. That can't shoot not superstar? Was this Pajemski? No. Pots. You know, there's probably a bunch of warriors friends that are going to get strays right now. I mean, it's such a but he's a brother. It is.

He's a. No cousin superstar. I guess. But I understand. I guess. He's not. He's not a superstar. Sure.

Would you say he's performative though? I understand why you said it. What moment made you feel like Jimbo was performative? The pictures. No, that. I guess so. Is this emo Jimmy? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Fair. Okay, bet. Is my player playing today? No. No. No.

Okay. Is my player like one of the greater players of all time? Yes. Yes. Okay. Does he have a championship? Yes. Ah, does he have two?

Yes. Fuck. Yeah. Motho got three? Yes. Oh, this motherfucker's a goat. What's going on, man? Three tips?

Okay, okay, okay. And he's not playing today. No. No. Okay. Okay. Was my player bald at any point of his career? No.

I do not think so. No. He held onto that hair. Well, held onto it. Okay, okay. Did he play in the Western Conference for the majority of his career? No, he did not. No.

Eastern Conference. Does he have a career in TV or any, like, podcast or show? No. Never to TV at all? No. Okay, no. Oh, shit. Is this Tim Duncan?

No. No. Fuck. Shit. I thought it was right there. Hold on. I can't see none. It just fell, too.

Ah. Is it still intact? He's fine. Okay. Okay, so he still has hair. Dude, there's not a lot of, like, guy, he won three rings still has hair. And he's like, it's a rare combination? An all-time player.

Yeah, get caught up on the hair. That's exactly what I want for you. Okay. And he's not playing right now. That's what's like. Nope, not anymore. So interesting. Did he?

Hmm. Okay. And you played in the Eastern Conference, the majority of his career, too. Mad. Was he a big? He was a big. Yes. Big, all time big, won three championships

played in the Eastern Conference for the majority of his career. Yeah. I'm not going to lie, it's pretty easy. Not a lot of them. You're right, there's not a lot of them. But wait, three tips in the Eastern Conference. Ask me a follow question.

You don't got a limit. Yeah, three's a lot. Okay. You should have been had this. Ask me if he has four. Oh my God. Ask me if he has four. Does he have six?

He does have six. He does have eight. This is Bill Russell. It's Bill Russell. Fuck. Just handed it to him. He said, here you go. Okay.

He was in hell. What are you guys? Sometimes you got a blend of hand. He did. He did. He did. Never lost it. It sounds like old Tim Duncan.

Yeah, he has. Donovan. All right. It's locking. Do I have a current player? You do have a current player? Are they considered a good shooter?

No. Nope. Are they considered a defender? Nope. Do people like this player? Not really. Not anymore. Depends on who you are.

No, not really. Actually. There's a person or two out there that like him. Yeah. Okay. Not a shooter, not a defender. People don't like them. Most people.

Most people. Most people. There's a certain. group people that love them. It might be. In fact, there's multiple groups. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. Are they black? Yes, black. Is he light skin? Nope. No. Ah. You disappointed?

No. No, I was about to say it. Um. Do they play in the Western Conference? Yes, they do. Weston Conference. Hateable Black. man. Let's see.

Let's see. Did his team make the playoffs last year? No. No. I'm going to assume this because his team didn't make the playoffs. Does he have a signature shoe? He does have a signature shoe? Yes. Um, okay, signature shoe. This is what you got to stick out like a thorn. I know. He got like a sore thumb.

Now it's tough. Julius Randall? George Brown was, he's a signature. He's a signature. He don't disrespect. Talk about, but they made the problems last year. They did. Yeah. But don't forget about them sketches.

Jesus? That's not John Moran's. Is my player 6'5 and under? No. Over 6.5. Over 6.5. They consider the guard? Nope.

No. No. The wing. Have they ever won a championship? Nope. Hell no. Are they popular? Like, do they do like media and stuff like that?

Nope. Media? No. Specify. Like, are they on like TV and podcasts? Is this CJ McCullough? No. There's nasty.

Hell. What? From Jada, CJ's a nasty word. I'd say he's popular. He doesn't do media, though. Yeah. Popular doesn't do media, though?

Yeah. Popular for other reasons. Popular is popular. Any publicity is good publicity. Has this guy ever been caught up with the law? No. The law. No.

The law, no. If you stop that sentence halfway through, I would have said yes. Say that sentence again halfway through and stop. Has this guy ever been? caught up with yes okay he's in hell you're gonna hate yourself i just gave me the lob of all lobs but he's playing today yes yes he is well look usually alive usually i'm i'm playing because signature shoe we're in the win the western conference yeah oh my goodness

do you want a lob yes please they're looking for him He's the number one suspect. He's been caught. Yeah. Few times. Happy souls. All right. I'm going to try to narrow this down to three players right away.

Is he Asian? Your players not Asian. Damn it. I don't think about it for a second. We have a new question now. We could have said it before, so thank you. Is it a current player? Yes.

Okay. Is he a shooter? Nah. I wouldn't call him a shooter. No. Current player, not a shooter. Okay. Does he play in the Pacific Division?

He does not. Does he play in the West? No, not in the Western Conference. Okay. not a shooter in the east current player let me see let me see

would people consider him fat no he is not fat he's crazy out of shape no quite good shape actually especially now

especially now okay that's a hint that's a hint yeah I don't think to do much for you but he's in better shape now than he was last year sure

not look good have you seen it like no I haven't I'm out of loop when it comes down listen, I don't put too much talking to that. He's just, just know he's not big. Okay.

Does he have a ring? Yes. Yes. Oh, shit, he does. Yes. People might forget. Why does he have a ring, bro? What am I thinking Patrick McCaw? What? I don't know. I don't know. You know, I'm putting out Patrick McCaw's face. Is it a role player? Yes. Role player in the East. Does he play on the Celtics? No, no. No. Okay. Yeah.

You should be happy about that. Hmm. Wait, wait. Does he play for the Hawks? No, no. What were you thinking? I was thinking Gabe Vincent. Did not have a written by the way.

Oh, my God. All right. Um, does he have a lot of, does he have a big social media presence? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Does he have a podcast? No. No. No? No. No? your presence in the

non- thank the Lord I knew you're going to say thank the Lord he doesn't have a podcast no it's not Pat Bev

well he does have a podcast um dude I he fired him didn't they dude we have to figure what's going on

Pat Ben every other podcast I'm like what does he do now yo we have to find out get some updates

who's up Isaiah Stewart no no he has a change Championship. Oh, keep up with your own question.

Okay. Was the championship in the last three years? No. Nope. No. Last five? No. Close, but no.

Damn. It's just past that. I don't want to fuck you up too much. It was like six years ago. Six years. Around that. I don't remember the exact number. I get fucked up with dates, but it's around there.

Okay. So around five years ago. Okay. 2019? What the fuck was on that Warriors team that's in the East now? The Warriors did not win the championship in 2019. Oh.

Pretend I said no dates. No, you're going to have to start writing down your question. You need to keep track physically. God damn. All right. I'm stuck,

yo. I ain't go line. Your player is unlikable to many. Unlikable to many. Your player is bad. Your player is a bad contract. He's also a fashion icon.

Fashion icon. Former Laker. Former Laker? That should do it. That should do it. Former Laker in the East That should do it Fashion icon

Yeah, that should do it And he's a champion He has iconic fits I am stumped He has iconic fits And he won a championship Around six or seven years ago Tattoos

Not Kyle Kuzma This is Kyle Kuzma Wait it is? Yeah It's Kyle Kuzma What the fuck? You have clues on your head I don't know why

I didn't think it could be Kyle Kuzma He's funny He seemed so you're more shocked at that is Kyle Kuzman than Gabe Vincent No, that's crazy Steve's funny as

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