The Deep 3 Podcast - The Biggest NBA Stories No One Is Talking About | TD3 Live

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

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Hey, man, we're here. It's exactly 5 p.m. Central Standard Time on the dot. They're already spamming late because they expect us to be here at 459, but nevertheless we made it exactly on time. I don't want to hear it. Listen, y'all always say that we late. I just always would like to disagree. We're on time.

Everyone says I'd love to see you guys disagree this time. I disagree regardless. Even if you guys are right, I wouldn't give it to you. So it's fine. This also isn't Coach Carter, where it's like, if you're five minutes, if you don't need like five. minutes before than you're like early or whatever that's not what this is we say we're gonna show up at five we're alive at five we're not liars and we're not late exactly everybody watching audio

platforms welcome back to another td3 live for you guys to base another episode appreciate you coming in everybody here in chat i see you spamming late don't care what's up y'all how you doing don't care we're the real eaters at we are back in other well i was about to say td3 too but this is Monday. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We had to push it up a day early. Go back to our roots a little bit.

What we used to do before was T3 Tuesday. Because as you know, there's a big election tomorrow. And listen, I thought it would be kind of funny. It should assume on our election night. I thought it might be hilarious. But I think as a general rule of thumb, you should probably avoid putting your content on that day when all the media attention is going to go there. So we're here today. Yeah.

We're responsible adults tomorrow just for a little bit. I'm going to have my popcorn, ready? But yeah, man. As you got to see by the title, today are we going to talk about. about the most underrated stories in the NBA so far this season. You know, all the attention has gone to the stuff we talked about last week

where we talked about how the Milwaukee Bucks are big disappointments, the Denver Nuggets are big disappointments, there's a lot of praise to people like Palo Bancaro, Lamello Ball, and so on. But there's always smaller stories, stories from teams that are often overlooked, players that haven't quite, you know,

broken into the mainstream spotlight. So that's what we're going to talk about today, stuff that you need to know about that you probably aren't paying attention to. Hell yeah. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, man, we're going to be. Yeah.

But before we get to that, you guys know how it goes. You guys have been to T. Through lives before. You know how our setup goes. We are going to talk about the news stories of the week first, the stuff that has happened since the last episode to today. And the first headline we got is quite hilarious. Joe Mazzulu wants to bring back fighting in the NBA.

The biggest thing that we can rob people of from an entertainment standpoint is you can't fight anymore. I wish you could bring back fighting. I just don't get why some sports are allowed to clear the benches. We just have a ball. The other sport has one of the hardest surfaces and playing instruments in pucks and sticks and we're not allowed to throw down a little bits.

He's so insane. I love him. He's my favorite coach now. Him and J. DeRedic, I would die for both of them. He's a wild boy. What was your first thought when you saw this? Derbott's this shit. When I first saw this, I don't know why,

but I didn't even read this came, I didn't even read that this came from Joe Mizzou. I was like, who the fuck would think this? And I'm like, oh, wow. Of course it's Joe Mizzu. I had all people. I think it's facts. Definitely.

It's not bad to throw hands once in a while, but we have so many people who like to chat in the NBA these days, and obviously no one does anything. But can you imagine, like, if we were allowed, like, just 30 seconds and straight hands between two players or whatever and one player got a reputation of just being, like, just can't fight dudes a bitch when he comes to his hands. That'd be great.

That'd be hilarious. Like, if it was, like, an element of NBA strategy is that your enforcer actually has to matter because the hands matter, that would be so good would the NBA teams randomly employ specific players just to fight yeah if I was my NBA team would if I was running one I'll tell you that the Patriots have already done that like we saw last year basically like James Johnson like please also known as James Jones please come in and defend Tali caliber like we need that so I'm with Joe I also

because the entire NBA is filled with like dudes who who are like hold me back and just all stars. Yeah. They run up really, really fast. Yo,

Rudy Gobert. Peak example. You saw him grabbed Christian Braun by the neck and then as soon as he saw Russell Westberg run up, he was like,

oh, oh. He was scared. Imagine if Russell Westbrook could, for 30 seconds, not even 30, for 10 seconds, throw punches right then and there

and not really have to like, you know, be suspended for the whole year, go through, anger management stuff. We could just see that for one time. Oh, my God. Shout out to 1, 2, 3, 4 for tipping $5.

He said it's Election Day and the NFL trade deadline, double whammy. I forgot about that. Oh, shit. I didn't even know that. Wow. If the Chargers don't trade for an offensive weapon or a cornerback, I'm going to lose my mind. Prepare to lose it. I know.

I'm not doing nothing. They might. They're good. That's the number one defense right now. That's crazy. But okay. Oh, Donovan just lagged out. Look at that.

That's what he gets. Talk shit on the Chargers. Let me let him back in Let's see if his internet can hold up Hold on chat I'm coming he's letting him back in There we go Is that me?

Yeah it was you Your shit ass Wi-Fi Told you before the streamer I thought it was me It was you Shout out to Carlos For tipping $3 He said Isaac likes his Celtics now

And he said type shit once I know the influence Of Beesoles caused this Oh my God Now we are not giving Beesoles this credit Beasol's originator type shit that's crazy that's one of those things that i say all the time ironically to the point where now i just like my brain forgets is ironic really i've never heard you say that if i heard you

say it just like i do it as a joke ironically as i'm saying but like it's so often like at a certain point i don't get to call it ironically anymore uh you you are yeah i guess so right next new story draymond green calls out okayc's post game tradition he said the one thing i see about the okayc team that's alarming to me is their postgame seven guys in the interview there's a certain seriousness it takes to win in this league and there's a certain fear you have to instill in teams in order to win i just don't know if they're instill in that fear in teams but all this bromance and stuff after the game listen your teammates don't like you right it doesn't mean that other people's teammates can't be friends like i bra i remember they used to they used to

hate all lebron because him and all the calves would be dancing pre-game and they're like this is not a champion this is not a good team meanwhile moe williams was the starting point guard like that's the reason why they're not a champion not because people are playing post game interviews and he had to throw in the bromance part just like just sprinkle a little homophobia into it

he's like get out of here be men he said seven dudes hey yo seven dudes one mic oh my god type shit ew oh yeah he definitely sprinkle that in

You're bringing two extra dudes? Oh, my God. And now they bark in two? Good. Oh, God. Oh, shout out to Seas for Life for tipping $50. He said, people need to relax about the Celtics paint defense. People need to understand things will get better as soon as KP comes back.

Also, Celtics scoring 81 and 1. Thank you for the $50. I was not aware that people were freaking out about the Celtics paint defense. I didn't know that's a talking point. But, yeah, I mean, it really shouldn't be if they're, like, number two in their conference, and they're, like, six and one, so. Who cares? They're fine.

You're right. They're totally fine. And shout out to MC Crave for tipping $10. He said, hey, fellas, first time, long time. Hope you're well. Although the Clippers' hatred lives on, I can't help but say salute to Norman Powell, who is playing, like, 96 Jordan right now for the money laundering franchise. Thought I'll hang up and listen.

Shout to him, Paul. He's getting buckets for sure. Rokeam Thomas-like. Yeah, I knew he was. going to go off. I knew this is going to be his season to put up 22, 23 or whatever it is that he's doing right now. However, I do have some clipper's thoughts later in the show. There's some clipper stuff that I don't think that we're talking about. Oh, we'll get to that. Yeah, Clippers are very interested. They're being very overlooked right now. And they're, yeah, we'll get to that later.

The next news story, you know, this happened kind of live. We're recording last week's episode, I told you I got a Shams tweet that said Palo Bancaro his day-to-day with the side of his oblique was injured. And we were like, oh, okay. day to day, he's fine. An hour after we recorded, it was confirmed. He is out indefinitely. We'll be re-evaluated in four to six weeks. Hopefully that's when he comes back,

but that just means he'll be looked at again. So it might be even longer. How do y'all feel, man? Have you guys watched Magic the past couple days without him? It's fucking horrific. They look putrid. It's awful. They look putrid, bro. It's not great.

Yeah, this team is so Pallel Ben Carroll reliant. I think, I mean, obviously, he just reached a stupid high. And you would assume, like, okay, like, Paolo's gone, cool, that's okay. Like, the number two option in Franz Vagman should be able to step up to a certain point and degree, but that hasn't been the case at all. You would expect someone who you gave $200 million to act and masquerade as the number one option.

It's not the case at all, not yet at least. But, yeah, this is going to, this hurts, this hurts a lot. This hurts so much all around for their team. I mean, they're kind of cooked. Yeah, in terms of, I mean, in terms of being like a top three seed, they're definitely cooked. Like, again, maybe they'll learn to play with him a little bit better. It'll get better with time. That wouldn't be shocking.

But we were saying last episode, they're on pace to be a top three team. You know, there were four last year. It was a Mickey Mouse four because the Cavs threw it on purpose to get down to five. But they earned that. They had a really strong second half of the season, and they seemingly carried the momentum into this year. Powell was firing in all cylinders. It was clear he was going to be all-MBA and they were probably going to be a top four seat again. Without that all-NBA player, this is not the same team.

So that qualifies as cook. they're not going to be able to get the high, I don't think. No, I don't, like, four to six weeks from this point really means, like, at the earliest, he's coming back December, right? They're just reevaluating him at that point, right? Exactly.

There's a real possibility he doesn't come back until Christmas. If that's the case and you miss six weeks of Palo Bancaro, I don't think, like, they're going to be in the same situation as the Sixers, as the Bucks are right now. And it sucks because, like, I don't think that they are a top six team without Palo, but because you have the sixers in the books at the bottom and because you have teams like

the Nets who are currently, you know, three and two or whatever and still in the top 60, who we know are going to fall out, there's still room technically for them to get there. I don't think they are. I don't think they end up as a top six seat. Chad, I see you guys saying Mo is quiet. I already fix it. But yeah, it's tough. It's tough to get that high when you're missing that much time from a player.

and they're clearly one of those teams that isn't just you know, Palo is the all-star because he's the best guy on a good team but they're very well-rounded and win without him. That's not the case at all this year.

He is backpacking this team. You know, before the season I had some concerns about their offense and how they still didn't have a ton of creation. Their spacing was a little bit better but not to the point where they're just going to be head and shoulders better offensively. They were looking head and shoulders better offensively

because Palo was scoring at a ridiculous clip in the games they won. Now without him, you see those, you know, lack of bench creators and lack of secondary creators you see that issue start to come out more

without him there to mask at all Cole Anthony barely plays anymore Markle Fultz isn't there Franz Wagner isn't scoring super well you're asking a lot of Jalen Suggs a lot of Anthony Black a lot of your big Zsiebby creators and that's just not really who they should be I think

this 100% lands on Franz Wagner to go ahead and step up bro there's a point to where it was like an inception point and a lot of magic fans were like oh it was like their biggest one of the biggest delusional points from what I saw. People were like oh man there's a specific crowd they're like

oh man like Franz Wagner is actually better than Paula McHara during his rookie year or whatever and some even thought that like to a certain extent like towards at the very start of last year when Paulo like started super slow and I'm looking at that crowd and I'm just like

I'm with you in spirit but if there's any time to believe in like Franz as the guy right now you need him to be that especially since Palo isn't there. That's beyond dead. Yeah, it's super dead. And I think LaLapaa last year, I didn't say Franz is better, but I was like, I don't know how big the gap is, so I was really high on Franz.

I was like, Palo is better, but like Franz is right behind him. Franz is not right behind him anymore. That shit has sailed. Palo has went to the moon and Franz has worse than stagnated. Stagnated, but... He went the opposite way. Yeah, like he's... No, so he has stagnated, but we had so much hope for his trajectory that stagnation is like a big disappointment, you know?

it's as you see it the opposite way he took such of a step back last year that the fact that like the shooting yeah yeah the fact that his shooting is like kind of you know normalized to to start the season it's like okay this is where you should have been last year and so now it looks like a little bit of progress but yeah like palo took a step up you took a step back now there's two levels in between you guys and the team like like we've all said it's just not built for for it's not built to be a Franz Wagner led team and so now I don't I don't know how far they fall because it's those those games last season in the playoffs whenever they're scoring like you know 60 70 points and it just looks like they can't do anything offensively it feels it feels the same

way now that pal is out and he's like oh my goodness like everything is a grind with this team at this point yeah uh shout out to horse of yokech for tipping five dollars and shout out to what's I say Shrimp de Ream for tipping one dollar Appreciate y'all Next news story Thank you First we have another shout to Kevin Galicki

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Hot takes man Wow Appreciate you appreciate you donate like always Y'all got a show to the next live show that we have, probably going to be around All-Star weekend. There you go. But the next news story we got to talk about. Y'all Joelle M. Bede put hands on a reporter yesterday.

And it was deserved. I am pro-M-Beed assault in this instance. Philistin, what happened? So there's this reporter that works for the Philadelphia inquirer named Marcus Hayes. He is a reporter. He is a reporter, but only in title. He is, listen, journalism is not in a great state right now.

And there's a lot of unsurious organizations out there that get access because there's not as many well-put-together media organizations in these locker rooms that used to be. Sometimes they employ guys who are disgraceful to the profession. And that is Marcus Hayes. He wrote a story earlier this week where he was talking about Jewel and Bede missing time and how he's disrespecting his team and his fans and really not living up to all the team has given him, all the fans have given him. And there was a line of that story where he mentioned Juelan Bede's brother, who died over a decade ago that he named his son after.

He said something on the lines of would your brother be proud of the way you perform for this team, which is fucking outlandish. It's absolutely ridiculous. Obviously, Joeline B. doesn't want to be hurt. We all know that it's ridiculous to blame him for his own injuries.

But even if he was lazy and he was deserving of blame, which he's not, it's insane for a reporter to be like, you think your dead brother would be part of this? You think he would be proud of you? Like, absolutely insanity. So the next time

uh joel and beat saw him in person he pressed him and he pushed him in the shoulder apparently it was reported on twitter by another not so great journalist as him punching him which turned out not to be true but he laid hands on a journalist which is obviously something that you're not supposed to do but understandable given the context how do y'all feel listen shout out joel you know what i'm saying this is this is the one time i will defend joel and b i've it's don't you ever don't you don't you ever don't you ever oh open your mouth, open your MacBook, right, to type such outlandish things about my, about my dead brother. Like, you, he would never, ever say that to Joel. If him and Joel and

B were having a sit down conversation, he would never, ever have said that. He was trying to make this piece something, you know, outlandish and, you know, and just, and trying to really, really stick his point, and he went over the top. And it's just something that it's just, it's just not decent. And you just wouldn't say to his face. And so for Joelle, shout out to you. You handled business. You do what you had to do. I don't think he's going to lose any money off of this.

And even if he does, even if he does, but it's okay. Yeah. Listen, the Sixers, pay the fine. Yeah, he definitely will. The last time this happened, I think it was back in 2015 or 16 or some of that nature. And it happened with DeMarcus cousins back when he was on the Kings. And he was fined like $60,000, $70,000, some around that nature. So it's going to happen.

But it doesn't matter because it's like. well deserved. Maybe he'll get suspended for a game or two. Oh, well. Fuck that guy. It's fine. And there was something Marcus Hayes asked about this, you know,

his experience after it. And he said that Elton Brand and Darry apologized to him and told him it's unacceptable. Big fucking eye roll on that. No, I guess they have to say that because you can't, you know, if you're in charge of the team,

I guess you can't go out there and be like, yeah, well, my player is attacking journalists. I guess it's a bad look for them. Yeah. But who cares, man? it's ridiculous and the fact that one he wrote that and how the audacity put it out and two presumably an editor saw that and approved it which dude apparently also assumption because i don't know

these days with how stripped down journalism is maybe they didn't have an editor apparently there are a few things that were redacted from the initial um from the initial report that they did put out and that that was the edited version that was the clean version that was a clean version yeah if that's the radio edit then like what are we doing here but it's yeah it's yeah it's yeah it's ridiculous. Shout out, shout out Joelle. Who's you think he is? Like, why he's trying to eat their Joel and beat? Like, what kind of crazy pedestal do you think you're on as a journalist

that you think it's your job to come out here and be like, this guy's softest baby shit, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, who do you think you are? Like, it's so crazy. He's a, and again, he's a reporter. He's the guy with the podcast. He's supposed to be a beat reporter that covers a team and, like, people go to him for consistent news and to get up-to-date, you know, professional information devoid of bias.

What the fuck is he talking about? and even if he felt like Joel was solved there's other ways to say that without invoking the name of his dead brother like that's you know what I'm saying like you I feel like a lot of players and like a lot of this stuff that like the friction that stuff has like players come up

at reporters and stuff like that because it's like listen you don't know me as a person and people try to take stuff off the court if you are talking about strictly on court performance like fine you know that's part of the job That's what it is. Once you start bringing in my family, other things that happen off the floor, now you're, now you're crossing the line, and I'm going to have to go meet you across the line. And that's exactly what Joe did.

So again, you know, what a coward thing. Yeah, situations like this are super rare, but hopefully, like, this sends a message to other reporters. Stay in your lane. Don't say, don't write what you would say. Don't write it unless you would say it to my face. And, like, just know, you're in the locker rooms, and I'm going to see you. That's it? Yeah, and it's not even like a...

So part of it is be professional, your reporter. Also, like, I'm trying to find the verbage. You're just a piece of shit. Like, it's just a terrible thing to say to somebody no matter what. Like, you're just a bad guy. You're just an asshole and you're not funny. Like, you think it's a joke and you think you're going to get claps and everyone's and be like, ooh, you got his ass, all this shit.

It's not clever. It's not funny. It's not cool. It's not smart. It's nothing at the above. It's just whack as fuck. Yeah. This dude definitely hates his life.

And I ain't a lot. Can you imagine how. how would it feels like to get pushed by a seven foot three hundred pound dude hope he hope he left the bruise dude i'll fly back like 10 rows it probably felt like a punch it probably did yeah yeah no someone's time yeah he probably thought he was gonna die he probably got flicked that was it wasn't even a push he was just no what i don't care what it was either way i would have been on the side i would have been like listen give me just think about the context here no matter what he did

All right, man. Next story. Dremont Green on Zion Williamson. He ain't just strong. He's powerful. Listen, you got a podcast. I got a lot of shit to say. That's true.

They played the Pelicans for two straight games, back-to-back days, which is a crazy thing the NBA does these days that I hate. But he said, he ain't just strong. He's powerful. Taking him on two days in a row, my back hurt.

My hips hurt. I'm banged all up. I'm hurt, brother. Hey, yo. The way you're saying it, too, makes it ten times worse. All I can do is narrate what I read, man. That boy's saying, basically, ugh. He's saying, I got to get baby oil next time I'll face Zion.

Ew. Gross, bro. Fuck. Shout out to Shaq Villan for tipping $3. Shout out to Breski for tipping $5. And shout out to just Shacko for tipping $15. You appreciate all y'all. Thank you.

for the donations. Yeah, man, that's cool, which is hilarious. Man, this is a handful, man. You gotta really brace for impacts.

I was watching the game and I saw what exact what exact move made Dremont of man. Zahn would a cross, bumped him in his chest once. Dremont didn't know,

like, what state he was in. A lot of dude. Paralyze in time. Yeah. It's a whole lot of dude to take it once. And young boys coming.

I'm Ayudoka on Buddy Hill joining the Warriors. Clay Thompson all over again. That's how they're using him. Bro, buddy has been a problem. Buddy has been going crazy. He's shooting like 50% from three. It's been outrageous. That's just a problem.

An issue, right? No, yeah. This is the best scenario that the Warriors could have thought of. Like, hey, let's actually get another shooter who can replace Clay Thompson. And also, let's have him be consistent in ways that Clay Thompson wasn't consistent last year. And Steph, he's coming back tonight. He's playing. He's been out for the last three games. Hasn't really matter. You know what I'm saying? Like the Warriors are still out here, winning games, Buddy Heald is hooping. And let's just hope for the Warriors sake that Buddy Hill can continue this

over 82 games because we've seen him at a couple stops. Not really be productive, but he's being productive right now. Shout to him. Yeah, hopefully it's just the right system for him to keep doing thing. I mean, he's not going to shoot 52% from three forever. He's not going to have the single best shooting season of all time by a mile. But if he can shoot 44% from three for a whole year. Why not us? Oh, speaking

of that, shout out to Philly Loving Ginger, a frequent donator for tipping $70. Ooh. Philly loving, I never loved Ginger so much before. Thank you. You were my favorite, Ginger. I like you more than Andrew Santina.

That's high praise. what's next oh this is an interesting headline step curry is in talks with the NBA to change the all-star game format this season interesting that it's specifically step curry that he's like man i can't do this shit again that was boring let's figure this out the player apparently the players didn't like it either and you fucking know the fans didn't like it so i guess it's encouraging well it makes sense that it's stuff because the all-star game is in san francisco oh yeah true true and so step is going to be like the

unofficial ambassador and so basically he's like listen don't don't come into my house and embarrass me like you know my my family's here the world is watching i'm trying to show off to chase center for the first time as like an all-star host please don't embarrass me and i'm sorry step you're about to get embarrassed the league is tried for years to fix the all-star game and no matter what format it doesn't matter if the players are going to go into it and not care about it so someone said don't Donovan can't stop staring at stuff. I got stuff on the screen right now. Fairly Donovan salivating.

The only thing that could save this, I understand you, Donovan, in terms of like, it doesn't matter if players don't care, they don't care at the end of day. But if there's any instance or situation where you have to care is if there's nothing but you, another man and a basketball staring right at you in your face. Some format of one-v-one basketball will help something.

It will help. King of the Court with unique, people have been begging for it for the entire time like the last 10 years how sad how sad we can't get an all-star game we can't get a quarter of good of good basketball from the best players in the world it doesn't even have to be the whole game we can go back to what we're doing in what 2020 2020 2020 where everybody locked in for like five minutes and it was like oh wow this is actually it's actually good you know and people people make jokes and say all the time like you know that players play harder and like in the pickup games that like you know

Chris Brickley's gym and in there in the in the all three everything it's for real it's for real and it's it's just crazy that every single year we kind of have to go through this and like you know watch a trash product for for the all-side game because we can't get five six minutes a good basketball like what bro Obama was out here old in Tyrese Hallibor like He was his father. Like, yeah, it's wild. Speaking of a while... He's don't have to worry about it.

He won't be back. Oh, my God. Speaking of a wild, other day, the Toronto Raptors retired Vince Carter's jersey. And to commemorate that day, they had Drake in attendance. And Drake was there on the mic,

yapping. And he said, you know, DeMarda Rosen was there. And DeMarden famously was in Kendrick Lamar's, not like us music video, quip walking on Drake's grave. And obviously,

that bothered the boy and he was on the mic and said if y'all hang that DeMarter Rosen's jersey up I'm gonna go tear that bitch down myself So Demartar Rosen reacted He said he's gonna have to climb a long way to take it down Tell him good luck

And this led to tons of discourse About should they retire DeMar's number Yada yada yada And I think it's all hilarious That Drake is so bothered still about this Did you see did you guys see that one clip Where Drake and Chubs are standing in the sidelines And Jake is just like under his breath saying, pussy.

He said in the quiet tone, man, ever he tried to make his mouth so unreadable? I have seen that. I have seen that clip because thanks to Isaac, everybody on the internet now thinks that I'm Chubbs. And I have been tagged in that video several times. I'm just like, yo, you were in Toronto, you were in Canada? Oh, my God. Oh, TD3 Midder, you hanging out with Drake now? Oh, my God.

Well, this is so funny. Why are they giving him the mic to get this shit off his chest? It's so funny. Like, get it passed the mic back to the commentators. What are we talking about? The day of commemorating Ms. Carter were like, fuck their other goat. Yeah, they were interviewing him on the side. And shout out to him, too, because I think that this is the first time that Drake has shown up in Toronto.

Like, in like two years, he just hasn't been. He's like, I'm not watching the rebuild. So, yeah, I think. I think this is this is fake fandom on display again. That's funny. Shout out to Kevin Glicki for tipping another $30. If you appreciate you, man. You're fucking running it up.

And shout out to Equalizer for tipping $1. Let's move on another topic. That's not Drake and his grievances. I feel like I know I grew up with so many Drake's in my life. We just have that. Let's see, undertone when no one's around. Austin Rivers on Tyrese Halliburton. I take Lamello over him.

I watch him in person, I see him airball. He can't get a shot off because he doesn't have a bag. Halliburn is crab jibling around. He doesn't have a handle like that. I just don't see it. Crab jirbling around. Right now it's true. People harass him for this.

Everyone's like, I know your ass is not talking, Mr. Benchromber, Mr. Out the League, yada, yada, yada. Which is so funny that people actually have a pattern of any time these former players that weren't that great for NBA standards come out and have opinions, whether it's this guy, Chandler Parsons, that back of quarterback that makes NFL videos for his name, whoever it is, everyone's like,

I know you're a four-point per game, bitch ass is not tosses. As if it's better if a non-player than a shitty player, they can't have an opinion because they suck. It's so funny. It's so funny, it's so unfair. It's ridiculous, but it's funny as hell.

The funny part about it is like, people say that whenever they're right, When they know like everything that Austin Rivers said was facts and it hurt Pacers fans' feelings and they were like, you can't talk. You can't say it. Yeah. That is money. You can't ever do what Tyrese is doing right now. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Come to Indiana. What are you saying is like not wrong. It's certainly not wrong right now. I mean, I think people see he doesn't have a bag and that makes people think saying he sucks. But I think what Austin Rivers is saying is saying. is what I said last week is that if he's not hitting a step back three doesn't have a whole lot other counters you know like he doesn't have a bag like compared to other stars we don't have to make the sentence this big no but compared to other stars he's relatively easy to adjust to like you look at someone like lamello is just so much more dynamic off the dribble he doesn't have one move he goes

to and can't counter with like Tyrese has great things the playmaker great things pushing the pace keeping the ball moving but as a score his bag is not deep this is not a crazy statement exactly exactly And I wish more attention was pointed towards like yeah, La Mello Ball is like making this real life leap And instead of like Tyrese Hallibur is not that guy Because of all the things you said there's certain limitations with him That just don't give you a high ceiling There's guys like Lamello Ball who's better.

Trianne of course he said that before he's better. Darren Fox now there was a certain point in time last year We're like yeah, Tyrese is making the leave And it's looking like the Kings have made a mistake in that trade Now at this point in time it's like It's whatever you prefer at this point. And I think we can all agree, like, yeah, De Nair Fox is still probably a better player than Tyrese Halliburton for such reasons. We'll see, man.

It depends what kind of bounce back he has going into the season. Right now he looks so bad that you know it can't be sustained. So it's hard to gauge where he actually is at. Because, like, I just know he's not going to be like, right now he's playing like the fucking 17th best starting point guard in the league right now. So. Well. You know, he's going to be better than that. So it's hard to tell where he's going to normalize to.

Wouldn't it be funny, though, if the free trial stuff was. actually right and he had like one year just amazing play he got to be on team USA he got to be an all-star and then we just never see it again I would say that I'd be one of the craziest things but that happens all the time you just forget about it especially like a performer eras like 2000 there's a lot of guys that had like one or two random all-star years and then just never huge that level again de angelo's like the is the last guy who had a random all-star game there is garland I don't want to say he's had a random all-star game but at this point in time it's kind of looking like that it's more it's more

it's more the the fact that like he got appointed to team USA like that's the icing on the cake that you you were able just to just to be there and you clearly did not belong yeah and he didn't like de angelo russell got into the all-star game because the team was good and the east was weak as fuck so somebody had to get in but tyrese halliburton was legit playing at like an all-n-a level like it's rare we see a guy rise to that level and it's not just like team-based it's he's legitimately just like playing incredible and it stops That's fairly unusual. Yeah, it's uncanny.

Paceousans, y'all are in trouble. It's not looking good. Speaking of someone who's in trouble, the Philadelphia 76ers, reinforcements are on the way. Philadelphia 76ers star Paul George is expected to make his season debut on Monday versus the Phoenix Suns,

barring any setbacks. Thank God. Okay. Thank God. Have you all watched the Sixers this year, man? It's not fun. It's been a church. I watched three sixers games, and I regretted wasting all my time watching them.

I love Tyrese, Tyrese Maxie. Fantastic dude. As you all like to say, just a pocket full of sunshine, smiling for no reason. He's put up like 30 points per game so far this year, but it's on horrendous of 40% shooting from the field. You love Tyrese Maxie. I like Tyrese Maxie, too, when he's playing next to Joelle M. Bid. I hate watching Tyres Maxie when he's the only star with a bunch of random guys around him. It is awful watching him be the one option

when nobody else there to help him next to Aaron Gordon, Andre Drummond, and Caleb Martin just being old. It sucks. I do not like that. I do not like it for Tyrese Maxie. I don't know a lot of such as fans got ahead of themselves

and thought he would develop into being like what James Hardin was for them a few years ago as a playmaker. That's just not his game. So it's not great when it's forced to be his game. It sucks watching, it sucks watching Tyrese in this mode because Tyrese at this point

is who we thought Cam Thomas is. Oh, relax, relax, relax, relax. I'm saying, I'm saying if we are talking about straight production and what you're doing. All right, let's mute this guy. No, stop it.

What, look at exactly what you're doing. And look at the way that we were talking about Cam Thomas coming into the season. Yeah, like he might win the scoring title, but he's just going to be chucking, doing all this. Tyreeze Mackey, like Mo said, 30 points per game. 26% from three, 38% from the field the playmaking right the assist have dropped down from where they were last year

in terms of potential um assist created he's in the same ranks as like jason tatum and in in that kind of like range not like elite elite playmakers so we're not seeing we're not seeing a jump we're not seeing stagnation from tyrese maxi and maybe it is stagnation because whenever joel was out last year, this is also what we saw. We saw Tyrese put up a lot of points on bad efficiency. He can't be, and he's not, the number one scoring option on your team. And right now, because of, because they have, what, $100 million, $90 million in players in Paul George and Joelle and Bid on the sideline, the current roster allocation leads

him to be Cam Thomas. Now, when Joel and B comes back, when Joelle and B comes back, he comes back, he he would be much better. The point of Cam Thomas and why he's viewed lesser is because he can't do it next to other stars and presumably wouldn't be a good number two option. So, sure, maybe it looks the same with the both number one options,

but it's crazy to say he's Camp Thomas. Yeah, I mean, I'm saying, right now, right now, right now, again, right now, this is exactly what we thought we were going to be getting from Camp Thomas. You get the same exact result when you have both of them as the number one on your team. It's in different ways. I think Tyrese is a better playmaker,

better rebounder, better defender, and all-around basketball player than that. So I can't call him to Cam Thomas. But at the end of the day, they'll both lead you to the same promise land or poo-poo land as the number one option, which is like. We like Tyrese, and he's better than Cam Thomas because he can play next to Joelle. And I get that. But right now, Joel is not there. So you are Mr. Thomas. Someone said, just joined, and Donovan's already hating.

I came at the perfect time. All right, man. That's the end of the new story, Doc. Before we get to the main topic of the episode, and before we talk about the most under-talked-about stories in the NBA this year, we've got a little game to play, a little TikTok-y-type segment.

Okay. What we're going to do is, let's have some election content. Let's talk about the elephant in the room. Let's talk about the election tomorrow. Let's talk about the future president of the United States. No. And what I mean by that is,

I'm going to name two NBA players, and I want you to tell me who would be better as the president of the United States. Or factoring everything in this conversation right? Which one of these NBA stars Would you rather see Lead this country of ours? Oh my gosh

This is everything that doesn't matter And I love it This is my bag We're not talk about basketball at all First matchup Anthony Edwards Or Shaquille O'Neal Oh hell no

I can't have shack From my country I can't have shack from my country This man will take money From anything or anybody bro I've seen him before I would not be a fan of where those dollars are allocated

I have comparisons for him for days Listen, Anthony Edwards? I know he'll support women's right to choose. I'll tell you that. Go ahead and put a W in that checkbox. Hey, man, he's a man of the people. Roe v. Wade is safe under Anthony Edwards. Watch.

Listen, I don't know where any of them are spending their dollars since both of them are wild guys, but Anthony Edwards is 23 years old. He has time to grow and mature. Shaq, you are 50 years old acting like you are 23. I can't have that. I can't have that. That may be good on inside the NBA, not for the president of the United States.

Relax. Relax. You're scaring the citizens. Oh, my God. LeBron James or Michael Jordan. Would Jordan even want to be president? It's obviously LeBron. It's obviously LeBron. Michael Jordan would lose Alaska in a dice game

I can't we can't have that he'd give it back to Russia on a bad crab's hand we can't have that this man is too risky when was the last time Michael Jordan went to Alaska I know that

he thinks it's irrelevant he doesn't think it it matters he's putting that shit on red exactly he's going to show up Yellow eyes and everything. Oh, no. Yellow eyes.

LeBron is probably the most safe middle ground Democrat ever. Forget him in the office. LeBron's like to do shit, but he's not going to lose it in a gambling match. Yeah. Why not? I just know if LeBron's going to try his best to look up for everybody, row. Chris Paul or Steph Curry. Someone said, that's my country, ain't it?

That's our country. Hey. they might have lying he would do LeBron is actually perfectly fit to be president he lies all the fucking time too wow that's our ball that's our ball that's Utah that's so good

all right man CP3 or Steph Curry well CP3 was literally president of the Players Association so I'll give him that if we're just going off of experience you got that he served his country before he served his people yeah but didn't he do Did he do a good job serving the NBA?

No. There ain't nothing change. Listen, he wasn't responsible for this new CBA. This isn't C.J. McCollum, so he did a good job in comparison. Chris Paul would work for everybody. I'm not sure if Steph would work for everybody. So I'm going Chris Paul. Chris Paul probably supports lower income housing.

I was trying to say that. I was trying to say that. I'm trying to say I would I try to argue Steph may be I can't say it Steph would be a great president

for Steph Innovative in certain lights Listen Chris Paul Chris Paul gives major math teacher energy He's something you can Public servant

That's exactly what you should be If Steph Curry was president Nobody's even torn in the White House You're not getting close to this You're not getting close to my residence.

You better go somewhere else. You better go to the capital, to the Washington Monument. You better watch that in one unit. That's not happening. You're going to send him to Baltimore sitting down the road. You better get a Joe's Crafshack. I'll go get some crab legs, man. You better get some old bay.

They had the underarm roll. So I said CB3 is legalizing Buffstreams and Stream East. Fire up the wire on that plane. You're going over there. Oh, shit. Tim Duncan or Kevin Durant? Mm.

Everybody going to be smoking of KD spread than everybody. Mandatory. Got to have the gram of your pillow every night. Would we ever hear from Tim Duncan If he was president No, he'd be operating in the fucking shadows He'd be president over Zoom

Over Zoom I don't know how that would work Kevin Durant with banned Twitter Just so he doesn't got to read any more mentions Actually, no, he might love it No, he might have to... Yeah, yeah, never mind He would not have been on band Twitter though, yeah

I'm not going to do that to... I'm not going to do that to Kevin But he will be prominent on social media too He'd be on Twitter every day. Responding all the Karens and all at 24-7. He's getting trapped by box. Tim Duncan probably has the best,

most fundamental understanding of world economics. He probably reads hell of textbooks right now. We have no idea. No one would know. I actually don't believe that. I think Tim Duncan is out here just off the grid. You're not reading. Shop of writing.

Picking coconuts off the tree. Just putting mangoes in the ocean. Janus or Nicola Yokas. I'm not picking Yonis, man. We don't need another hornball in office. I can't. That might be good for Milwaukee. It can't be horny like that in the presidential office.

It's happened before. Like, what's the issue? We can't have that again. Why? He's going to get Bill Clinton so fast. Do you not know that the birth rate in the USA is, like, declining vastly? Yonis is going to fix it. Yeah, single-handling, Greek, man.

If you can't control your... Stop that. He is too horny. If you can't control your urges, how are you going to control the nukes? That's too much power to do that. You think Yon, you think Yolch is going to control the nukes? He's on the same. He's not...

Yolkidj is for the farmers. He's for middle America. You know, all the people in Iowa That's what I'm saying All the people in Iowa and Idaho The corn farmers, the potato farmers Yonk is for you Listen, man, we have documented proof

that Yonis likes to press red buttons Freak azoid It's been shown He has a button He has a belt I'll be Calm down, no more, no more, no more No more. How much?

No more details No need. All right, man. Jall Morant or Zion Williamson. Jaws, further south, I'll say that. He is for the south, for sure. And Zion's not. I mean, he's for a different kind of south.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Other side of the tracks? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Listen, I plead the fifth. We might have to go, Jai. We might have to go Jai.

I plead the fifth. Actually, actually, I don't know who I don't know who would be better, but I know that Jai would win because the way that Jai kicks it, more people kick it like Jha. And once again, we, too many Freakazoids in the office. A common theme here. We're not electing a Freakazoid. No.

Yeah, exactly. Which I know bare minimum, like, you know, our military will be on point. Oh, my God. All right, man. Lamello Ball or Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler. Hands down. But can you imagine a worst person to elect a public office in the Mello Ball?

The most serious person. Lamello Ball will take away stoplights. He'd have car crashes all the time. He's going to change the Star Spangled Banner. He was going to change it to just a bunch of spaceships and hearts and dancing. Freestyle. He's going to make the kids in class fucking put their hearts on their chest of Gunna. I don't see an issue with that.

200 for lunch. Listen. Jimmy Butler, I know he'll care. He'll care a lot. And that's probably an admiral quality for a politician. Starbucks. He might care too much, though. Starbucks is in trouble with Jimmy Butler because.

Oh, yeah, he's breaking that up. He's union. He's breaking them up. Breaking up conglomerates left and right. There's no more Starbucks. It's only big phase coffee. Yep. Corporate takeover via government.

Jalen Brunson or Gilbert Arenas. Gilbert is the worst person to be president of. also worst he's starting a war instantly with every European country yeah you see a trade partner over there across the pond exiled

immediately we don't need their rice you don't need their tea for what bring the jobs back to America USA he's looking at the map Just like it's king of the court

He's like, you first, then you, then you, then you Sounds like we're calling him He's going to pillage you up He'll know, he might deadenate Utah too Dettnate is crazy Listen man Jalen Brunson can wear the fuck out of a Navy blue suit He looks he has the look of a president

Listen, man, I trust him with that scene No matter what Last one Charles Barkley or Richard Jefferson Charles Barkley can't complete a sentence I'm going to Richard Jefferson Sound like the last couple dudes I ran for president Sounds like he'll fit in

It's like he'll fit in just fine Richard Jefferson screams president a little bit He seems like a really like a guy he's more a senator kind of guy fax he's a state senator at that he's a guy that's like in charge of like local sewers local sewers he's a municipal governor

he's running Omaha like a fucking navy he's doing a great job over there and I know he's doing yeah he's doing a damn good job for show he is those schools are going to be great what would Charles improve as a president what would you trust him in all I feel like

is that like would probably be cheaper the price of head she's going down every state every state would be allowed to gamble oh naturally school lunches would be tasty again

he would undo everything Michelle Obama did oh food is going to be good we're giving nine year olds donuts he's making sure girls I love it He's making sure that as a nation, we are fed. Hot Cheetos.

Hey, you're telling me no one's going hungry in America? I love it. Let's make him president. Oh, there you go. A man with a core issue. We're picking Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley is ending world hunger. That's it, man.

That's all the ones I got. That's hilarious. Shout out to Kevin Gilloughke for donating $40. He said, if Barkley got elected, watches will be canceled and stove sales will go up stove sales that's a throwback

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Donovan, what is the first NBA news story you think needs to get more attention right now? I think we are not talking about how the wall at the Intuit dome is actually detrimental. What? The Los Angeles Clippers are

0 and 4 at home this season. They have not won there, and I think that the wall is behind it. Explain, explain, keep going. Tell us about your theory. Once again. Tear down the wall. Tear down the wall. They have lost to the suns twice there. They have blown a 20-point lead.

James Hardin. maybe it might just be James, right, being old school James Harden, but for some reason they just can't pull out wins. You look at the stats and it's all the same. What else, right, like in terms of points, field goal percentage, three point percentage, all of it looks very similar in terms of their road splits and their home splits. But what could be the difference? Maybe it is the big wall of fans just distracted.

It's the little things in the NBA is, right, that separate a lot. So I think that we need to have an investment. investigation about the wall and see what is actually going on there because it might have investigations going on over there i ain't go live last thing they need is more eyeballs that's true no but okay but but yeah but the clippers are our own four at home the two and four but actually the clippers are top 10 in defense and i think that's like yeah i think that that's i i don't know it's kind of surprising because like the top seven and for like the part that's not surprising that james hardin isn't crazy efficient and to ask you know him to be you know 34 35 is and you know carry this

offense that's a lot um and i that was one of the reasons why i was kind of low on the clippers coming into the season but i think that i think that he's played well enough that putting a top 10 top seven defense should get them and mind you it's two and four where the difference between that and three and three is marginal obviously but still you'd think that their record would be a little bit better in that they would be able to close out some of these games i do you guys think that the clivers defense is sustainable for the rest of the yeah definitely i think they're exactly what thought they'd be whenever we're doing the preseason rankings i had a hard time i initially put them at 11 before the quai news broke because i was like i guess they're going to be out of the playing

because there's a lot of good teams but i don't feel good about it like i think if there's an to a top team. They're the first one that's going to be back in that mix. Because Tai Lu is, I saw someone on Twitter say, Tailu is the Mike Tomlin of the NBA. And that is so real. He is going to have a well-coach, well-put-together team. They went out, they got Derek Jones Jr., good defender. They already have Terrence Mann, solid defender. Zubach is one the most underrated interior defenders in the NBA. We add that together with a really good coach. I always knew they would defend really well. It was obviously just where is the offensive punch going to come from. Where is the depth going to come from when James Hardin inevitably

hits a wall because he has a thousand percent usage at this big age. But the defense is always going to be really good. Zubach needs to get more credit. Oh, and they have Chris Dunn, who I forgot, who's one of the best on-ball defenders in the NBA, garden pick and roll. They just have a lot of defensive talent. You decide out to Chris Nunn.

He randomly decided to go bald out of nowhere. He was like, you know what, Kai Jones? I'm with you and Stan. I'm locked in. I'm locked in. Also, side note, two, just quick question. Is Mike Tomlin, the coach on the Pittsburgh Steelers? Yes.

And they lose talent And they no matter what every year They're a very good defense And they're very competitive He just builds a good program He's exactly like Tyloo Okay That's a good comparison

That's a really good comparison And like Offensively I thought that they would struggle And so I think like I don't know if the scene For James Hardin Scoring wise is too too much higher

Than what he's doing right now I think this is basically The James that we're going to get For a majority of the year Norm Powell is the one who is hooping and he's balling and is norm power going to stay like this i i have a lot of questions about them moving moving forward but i do think that they are honestly one of the more interesting teams and one of the more like kind of fun of watches because on a night's night because i agree

with you i hate it i agree with you like on a on a night to night basis they're they're not going to get blown out and james hardin and norm power doing just enough offensive to like i guess i keep them afloat even though that the offense is 24th in the league like if that if i'm wrong and they go up any amount and they get to like 20th or like 18 they can jump from 13th to the conference whatever seating doesn't matter right now but they can be in in the playing race and be a lot better than what we thought and so i think that yeah the clippers are actually kind of they're like underratedly fun interesting i i yeah interesting i i interesting more than fun yeah but this isn't surprising, right? Like, we came into the season and we said

there's 14 competitive teams in the Western Conference. I thought they were going to be trashed though. You were the only one who said that. Tyloo can't, you're not going to have a trashed Tyloot team with good role players, like unless they're bottoming out on purpose. They're always going to be respectable. But the problem is they might still end up being trash. They still might be like the 12th seed for the year because there's just too many good teams out there.

You don't want to bet against the Spurs and their ascension with Wembe as the season goes on. Apparently the Jazz are full on tanking. Larry's out against night. So the Jazz and the Trailblazers is below them. But after that, unless teams get there's just so many good teams that even though the clippers are very respectable there's just a lot of respectable last teams in that conference yeah exactly what's going on over in la land is sad but i think they've surprised a lot of people just like going back to what donovan said donovan said with how competitive they are and i ain't go like when i watch them i just feel like super nostalgic they got this big ass center who's clearly like outdated but but it's like putting up numbers he's he might be mip if he's from playing like this for all we know bro um and yeah we have to have this big ass center who plays a specific way drop stepping all the time back to the basket posting up everybody no matter if you're like a mismatch or not and then you have james harden a super traditional center or traditional point guard who's gonna

try to get to the room may not be the most effective at it whatever he's definitely at his like chauncey bill up stage and era of his career but he's maximizing the hell out of it and then you have this like high octane absolute immediate monta ellis bucket like guy in Norman Powell. This is such a throwback team. Yeah. All right. Sticking in the West, sticking in the playing range, probably below that. I want to talk about the Spurs a little bit. Specifically, I want to talk about Christopher Emmanuel Paul. The guy you've been hanging on. That's the guy you've been named on. Dude, I don't know if people are noticing this, but he is making every jump shot he takes.

He looks crazy right now. He's currently averaging. We're playing. We're playing. it up. The best scoring season he's had in several years. Right now he's averaging 11 point with seven points per game. But as of late, he's had three straight big games where he had near triple doubles. He's shooting 47% from three, 54% from midrange, looking very comfortable as a score. Obviously, the passing comes along with that. But listen, he looked like fucking shit last year. He looked washed. And this is the second time that he has looked wash, previously in 2018-2019 with the Rockets and then he gets traded in the off-season

to a team from the South. First he went to OKC, revitalized his career, now he's in San Antonio, looks spry. And obviously the biggest thing with Chris Paul is can he stay healthy and do this for an extended period of time at his age, which is always a big if.

But right now he looks comfortable scoring the ball in a way that we haven't seen in a couple years. When it comes to basketball, the South got something to say. And Chris Paul, like, A big part of it is he gets to do offensively exactly what he wants to do. He gets to run pick and roll with an amazing lopper and an amazing role, man, and he gets to just probe and find the elbow and get to his spot and raise up

and hit that, you know, 15, 17 foot midrange at the elbow. And it's just like, it's a thing of beauty. I was watching the game the other day against Jazz. And, I mean, he was killing them. And it was the same thing. over and over, and you saw in real time the way that, like, Utah and other teams have to decide, like, all right, are we going to try and stop Wemby on this role and try to stop this lob? Or Chris Paul, who's already hit three of these shots in a row, do we actually

send some bodies at him and try to slow him down? And once he gets it going, this is the vision that everybody saw of the Spurs. When they were like, oh, they can be the 11th seed, the 10th seat. Yeah. I wouldn't go that far still. He still doesn't get a the rim at all. He's still not playing defense. He's pretty much the same guy. Damn. He's just making a lot of jump shots and it's good to see. This guy hates. He's making so many jump shots that it's so fun to watch that, like you're saying, those mid-range jumpers and bold elbows that we know and loving for for years,

that's falling. And that wasn't necessarily falling all the time last year. And that's all you need. That's all you need. That's all you need and that's all you should expect from Chris Ball at, what, 39, 40 years old? Like, no, he's not going to be, you know, Lob City, Chris Ball. He's not getting to the room. That's not going to happen. But the mid-range, that's all he can give you, and he's giving it to you. Awesome, if he keeps us up and he doesn't get hurt, when Devin Vassal comes back, they're going to be a lot more fun to watch.

No, absolutely. They're playing 500 basketball right now, as I would hope them to be because that's a prediction I made. And I guess another, now that we're on the topic, Chris Bob, might as well get mine out to you. Another storyline that I wanted to talk about that no one seems to care about is Jeremy's on. Jeremy, Jeremy, Jeremy, Jeremy, you're playing very rail right now. it's not like popular to pay attention to him because he's jeremy son and whenever you people speak about him they talk about oh like he ruined wemby's room here by being point guard or wherever the the other case may be but he's actually very quality defender been that throughout this is

entire of his career he's amazing at cutting and just like making simple reeds getting to the basket and all that and he at times feels like the perfect for to have alongside wemby to do all the dirty work can do, you know, just the nitty-gritty, smart basketball player stuff. And also when it comes to, like, them being, I think they're a top four defense so far this year. And they're also one of the better rebounding teams in the NBA so far also. I think they're top four in each category. Jeremy Sondon deserves a lot of the credit when it comes to that as well.

I'm glad you brought that up because that was also one of my things with. And I guess we're all just like, hey, are you guys watching the spurs? Because the first two games, they came out right, when we played, played really bad. but they're two and one in their in the last three games when we started to pick it up he had a five by five the other day like things are things are looking solid for san antonio and things are going in the right direction and two things for them that they can like expect to get better even if chris ball and his play declines you can expect obviously for devon vassel to come back but you can also expect for wemby's three-point shot to fall a little bit high he's just he's not

shooting well, right? And he's taking some, some crazy threes. The three's not falling. If he can get the three to be at a respectable manner, and now you start, you know, seeing the full package from, from Wemby, in terms of him as a perimeter score, that's going to help them a lot. And I, I think that they are at a point right now where if you are trying to buy stock in any team and be like, oh, they're fun, they're fun. They can actually make a run, run. San Antonio is one of those teams that can be frisky right now. Yeah. Yeah.

Jeremy Sohan is like the best example of like a good barometer for who actually watches a team like the Spurs versus who just like follows on Twitter. Because he has the worst PR ever because he had those 20 games where Pop made him play fucking point guard and it was ridiculous. It's not his fault. So he became like the face of terrible player that Wemby's getting sold by. He's never been a bad player at all. I've always liked him a lot since his rookie year.

I just like him as a power forward and not the point guard running an offense and pick and roll. That was always absurd. but he's always been a good player especially defensively he has so much potential he's so mobile strong down low like he has a good ceiling i still don't know if he's the exact type of four i want next to wemby long term but he's certainly a good player like he whether it's on the bench or starting for a team he's going to be a good player for a while yeah i think in terms of like long long term um his value alongside wendy is like entirely dependent on like the other

three guys around him and how powerful they are offensively and how powerful they are offensively and how good of his shooters they are, really. That's what it comes down to. But I agree with you for all those levels or reasons. Like, Sean, he's one of, he's generally, he's been one of the, some of, like, the better young players the NBA has to offer. And no one just cares because they just hate him. Okay, relax.

One of the better young players, anybody has to offer. Calm down. Calm down. You know what I mean by that. I don't mean, like, he's like, oh, like, power level, but like, he's better than average. Yeah. No, he's cool. He's a good player.

We don't got to go crazy. He's a good player. Okay. I think it's been hating a lot later. Any time you're talking about, this guy, he's actually kind of guy. He's like, this guy sucks. What are he talking about?

Mo, what is our next team we're talking about? No, I just gave you my next team first. Oh, okay. Who's turns in now? Donovan, what's your next team? What do I do? Okay. Cooper flag.

Okay. He is in line to be a U.S. taught jazz at the start of next season because the jazz right now obviously nobody watches them because one the jazz and two you know what I'm saying you know who they are but also they suck right now and I think that them being winless and having the worst offensive rating in the league and as like think about how good okay C is defensively right that is how bad the jazz are offensively right and it's it's very it's very shocking to see because this is a team that we all thought would be the definition of fun young team that is going to be frisky

competitive will push you to steal a lot of games they suck and teams like the wizards have wins and the jazz do not nobody on this team is scoring at the room right now lary is the only one who is actually like knocking down shots john collins has been doing his thing here and there but it's mainly like lorry and for them it is all about Cooper flag and it's just very surprising that they are this bad. So yeah, that's that's that's my thing on the jet. All right, P, man. This is, it's crazy.

Especially, they're looking worse now because Laurier, marketing is hurt. Without Lowry, who the fuck are they going to have score? Walker Kessler has been a bright spot, but he's not a good offensive player. Like, I mean, he's not a, uh, no, fine, he's not a good offense player. He's a good defensive player that can finish a dunk, you know, the role man center, but he's not going to put points on the board per se. they just do not have a lot of bright spots right now and it looks really terrible.

Yeah, this is a W on mine. During my season preview, Isaac was on my ass when I said when I had the Utah Jazz, I was like so down on them and I thought that this is the year that they were going to be selling and all that. Now obviously, like, large markets and the misgames,

of course that's going to happen. I didn't foresee the happening, but I was more so thinking about the other pieces and players and parts to it. Shout to Will Hardy. Again, one of the more fun and coaches to see what he produced is offensively on the court. but don't have the players

you're going to put out a poo-poo platter product and that's what they are right now no issue with that yeah they suck it's straight it's simple that there's nothing even interesting to talk about it because they don't have like

they just fucking suck there you go let's stick to the theme of bottom feeder teams that people aren't noticing but I don't want to talk about it in a good fashion we're going to talk about the team

that doesn't exist to most people because they play in a different country let's talk about the Toronto Raptors oh they're on my list too I love it yeah greatie has obviously been getting a lot of talk. He's making a second year leap. He looks really good. He looks every bit of the great shooters. He was drafted a B. He's averaging 21 and a half points

per game, filling in nicely around their more ball handler-centric players. That's cool. What's caught my eye, and what caught my eye on this game wins the Lakers and where they got their ass blown out, R.J. Barrett looks good. RJ Barrett looks really good, actually. I know last year he had a strong year once he got traded to the Raptors, and I think we all thought it was real for the most part. We ranked them pretty well in our small forward rankings. I think I had in my like, what did I have my like, like, 18 or something like that? In that range. Yeah, he's good.

Like, he's an above average starter. Dude, he's had three straight 30 point games. He's shooting like 48% from three, 53% from the field. He's playmaking extremely well. He's averaging over eight assists per game in those last three games, which is, he's only play four games the season. So I'm taking away the first game he came back from injury and the three games since without Scotty Barnes and without Emmanuel quickly.

Now, the team isn't winning. They're not good. they are already going to be a tanking team that's missing their two best players so don't expect no win games but i think in terms of his development and his ability to be a third guy for them i'm pretty encouraged i love yeah not so we saw him like play really well once he got traded over there in toronto and we're like okay cool do it again next season so far this thing he's been improving on those aspects and to add on to the rj barrett salute that we're giving him right now he's even been like just as efficient even more fits from the

field and also the three point line now i'm skeptical and how real like this shooting leap is because i think the number one indicator for someone being a better shooter is their free throw percentage and that hasn't grown i think he's seen like 68 69% from the field or from the free throw line but regardless of the regardless of the point whether he's a good free throw shooter or whatever or not seeing him show life as a third overall pick back in 2019 and look like an actual option, the actual building block is encouraging as hell. Shout out to,

not a don't call him the Maple Mama. That was a Wiggins name. Never mind. I was understand. He's calling a nickname. But shout out to him because he's looking real good and shout out to their head coach, Darko, man,

because his system is like three seconds. It's like a three second or less type of offense in terms of like you only have three seconds to make a decision. You have to be decisive with your move. Spacing is key. And RJ thrives in. the system and he's a different player bro completely different player yeah he's not doing as much like

obviously with those last couple years of the nicks it got real bad he was pretty much camped out in the corner and no he had that one good year post bubble whenever they had no fans in the stadiums where he shot well from three like a lot of guys did in a very fluky year never sustained but now for some reason like i understand why he's finishing better at the rim for the reasons you mentioned mo the system allows him to get easier looks there that aren't forcing him to to create just has he twin between the legs he's not doing any of that he's not staying in the corner he's catching the ball in motion in flow finishing in transition letting the offense crate looks for him for him to use his rims finishing skills that makes sense to me why that

part of his game is better but overnight his three point shot got better too last year at the raptors he shot 39% from three right now he should be 48% from three every single game he's been in raptors uniform he has been a good three point shooter and i'm sure donovan can attest to the fact that if that were the case when he was a nick he would probably still be a nick yeah this is exactly like the vision there were times where i was like an r j barrett defender i remember you guys asking me like do you guys think that rj could be an all-star i was like i mean yeah like you know he could sneak into one that boy was lying this is this is like this is the the progression that that i thought was you know borderline

potential possible with with rj and well so i have to ask you though how long long how long is it going to take for us to like actually believe in in the ijvara stuff like like real what does believing look like what does believing like real real i had to shift my my expectations and standards for him and because i've lowered it and he's like leveled up as a player in productivity i believe in it now like yeah he's a good play we could start on a lot of teams okay so you don't expect to start potential at all so it's pretty believable for him to be a decent role player. Definitely, yeah. Can you average like 15 to 17, a productive 15 to 17 and be an important part to my team aspiring to win something? I think he can be that. Yeah, can he be a

good finishing wing between the two creators of Scotty Barnes and Emmanuel Quickly? Absolutely. Why not? It's not an easy role, but it's the right role for him where it's not asking him to do a lot of difficult stuff that isn't in his bag. But then again, I'm playing these highlights right now, and he's, bro, he's playmaking. Like, there's this play you guys can't see it right now, but he runs a regular pick and roll he makes Anthony Davis jump under the rim and hits a little

wraparon dump off past the Yakopotal Doug was not in his bag as a Nick he was not making these passing reads and while they are simple it's not the hardest thing

in the world that's the type of stuff that was just too fast for him when he's playing in the Knicks and he just couldn't do so I don't know I kind of believe

he's making a passing leap and maybe it's again maybe it's because somebody has to do it with Emmanuel quickly and Scotty Barnes out and maybe that part isn't going to be consistent

but the feel looks a lot better most important yeah I agree even his jimbly dribbling looks a lot better he would always be like

super mechanical and like boxy whenever he would try to get into his bag and do straight line drives or whatever but it feels a little bit more comfortable do you think

I mean I wonder if people always say if some guys need a fresh start and like people often underrate the mental aspects of the game I wonder if it's nope he played for the Knicks

the lights were fucking bright now he has the opposite nobody cares about the raptors they play in a different country He got deported as we say That's the opposite of bright lights Maybe that's exactly what you needed Maybe he's playing loose and confident

Oh you're right You're right you got sent home Never mind different for him But yeah maybe that's another extra level of comfort He got sent back to his home country He's not having huge expectations Like maybe he just needed that ability To relax and have that confidence in his game

Yeah I agree Change the senior for a lot of young players Like do wonders I think we see it time and time again The last time Eh nah never mind I can't remember the last time you've seen not a failed role player

but like someone who just like wasn't doing to. I guess you could say like someone who had just a really stinky narrative around him. There's another Canadian, Andrew Wiggins, as soon as got shipped out of from the T. Wool's and went to the Warriors revitalized his game, not completely, but just honed in on certain strengths, rebounding

defense and all that and it was showed shades of scoring. RJ Barrett's doing something similar is to that life. It happens a whole time. It happens a vibe. So. Yeah, it is everything. all the time. Also, something in the chat said, shout out Oce Agbaji. Facts. Shout out him. I picked him in fantasy. He went crazy the other day. Shout out of him for giving me 60 fantasy points on a

random Sunday night. Shout out. Good player. I remember when a couple episodes ago we were talking about, you wanted us to talk about like something interesting from the Toronto Raptors. And I was like, look, I ain't got nothing to say about this team other than I hope Brady Dick takes a leap and becomes more aggressive. As you said, like a couple minutes ago, doing that, averaging a fish and 21 points her game, 38% shooting from the three point line, salute. Some of the chat said, Victor Lidipo is the other example,

someone who's disappointing with their first team and he did change the scenery. That's a perfect example. He was number two pick instead of three, was just kind of a decent player, never great, when Indiana became an All-Star. And RJ's not going to do that because they already have Scotty and already have quickly, he's usually going to go down. But he could play at elite role player levels and be like sub-all-star at this rate. Yeah, he could be something along those.

lines for sure i think uh whatever medium that you think is between like 2018 2017 oladipo and andrew wiggins he is that yeah or just andrew wiggins i could be that he could be a helpful player on a team that needs it's damn good damn good damn good that concludes a raptors talk what's the next team next scene that i want to talk about are the chicago bulls oh my gosh I can't believe I want to talk about the Bulls. They are actually I don't know if it's because I have no life, but they're fun to watch.

I kind of enjoy seeing them what they do. It may be just like a Zach Levine thing because he has looked like every bit of promising and like he looks like an all-star. Was he an all-star before in Square? I believe he was. Yeah, he was. Look at me like every ounce of that.

He's an absolute flamethrower. and even beyond that like the actual style of play the pacing the movement and also like the three point shooting which is something that's like so bizarre and rare for this team because historically they just over the last like five seven years they just haven't been that at all they've been one of the worst especially specifically volume by three point shooting teams in the entire NBA and see them just evolve their style of play and like the most I don't want to say inconvenient time but most random time is like impressive and it's interesting yeah man their fourth and three-point volume

and eighth and three-point efficiency despite adding Josh Giddy in their lineup who has been Josh Giddy. You know,

he's not out here being a volume two-point shooter. He's still a negative. Yeah, it's everybody else. It's Zach Levine playing well. Vucevic is playing out of his mind. He's just revitalized.

So listen, keep doing it, Vush. Pump up that trade value. That team needs to get a first-on-pick for you. So keep getting buckets so they can ship you back to the magic or something.

But good for them, I guess. Though, yeah. It's funny that as soon as we think, okay, they're finally going to rebuild and they shipped out,

they let DeMar walk and they finally seemed to be like going down a rebuilding path, they just find a way to be mid again because they're better than you think this time instead of worse. They couldn't do it. They weren't given the opportunity

because if they, they were on the path to fully tearing it down but nobody wanted to trade for Levine. True, they tried. So, yeah, so like you had your whole roster last year who won like 34 games and then it's like, hey, let's add this 25 point per game score onto your roster and let's see

how everything goes. And so, yeah, it makes sense that they are offensively a much better watch this year than they were last year. Yeah, I know in the preseason, Kenny talked a lot about it where he was saying that all he wants is a Bulls fan is to see them have a high pace and high three point volume. Just be competent, be fast and be modern. That's exactly what they've done. They must have hurt his ass. Now, question, will this hurt the Bulls more than to help them? I don't know. I think they should be tanking their ass. off right now and they look like actually one of the more middle lower the middle of the pack teams and I think this hurts their lottery chances of course but maybe it doesn't because

like you said maybe you can see vucevich getting traded to the phoenix funds or whatever random team you can think of same thing for Zach Levine and they start from scrolling honestly that's probably the blueprint for them right now so out to billy don't if they were a smart front office that would 100 be the plan let these guys hoop let get the trade value up high trade Levine, trade Vucevich, trade Lanzo, just keep the young guys around and reap the benefits and have a second half tank like the jazz always do. But we're not talking about us. They don't do that. Exactly. So I think they might, that's not what they're about. I think the alter break might come around and they might be the nine seed and they're like, let's bump those numbers up. Let's go trade for Wendell Carter or

something. Let's get the seven. Let's go ahead and make a run. So I'm not exactly excited. what you just said is very Chicago Bulls like very Chicago Bulls quoted whenever something is handed to them on like a silver platter to like here take it please like here's a golden opportunity for you to improve they do the opposite yeah I am not

good for them I they're perfectly set up to do something smart I don't anticipate they will reap the rewards of that yeah Donovan what is our next team the next team listen contract Julius Randall

is back and listen Julius Randall is being extra efficient right now he is hooping he's shooting over 50% from the field he's shooting 50%

from three right he is like we thought that it was gonna take a lot of you know take some time for him to find his bearings and you know oh he can't he can't play next to a non-spacer like O'Bare that's fine

Julius Randall's here he's not the one you have to worry about Dante Diven Gino is the one that you have to worry Bob. He is thinking, he is thinking it up. And that's what's interesting is that it's completely flipped. I thought Dante was going to be able to, you know, walk in, be the shooter that he is.

Obviously, you've seen Anthony Edwards take 14-3 tonight. You know this team wants to take a lot of threes. Has not been the case. And Dante right now, let me get his exact numbers up because they're not fantastic. I'll tell you that. Yeah. He right now is shooting. He's averaging 9.9.8.

points per game. Damn. He is shooting 31% from 3 and 36% from the field. Stinky. That is not great. The Randall thing's weird because, yes, he's playing really well and good for him getting in there and making the most of it, playing comfortable. But also, I think the team results compared to last year kind of show the Julie's Randall

experience where he's getting his numbers. He's scoring well. He's rebounding. He's playmaking well. He's doing his thing. They went from the number one defense to the number 18. they're still just 16th in offense which isn't his fault per se

like you said don't stevencho should start playing better maybe they'll get more from other bench players whatever may be but the defense the only thing that changed is Kat went out and Randall came in and their defense got dramatically worse and I'm sure rules fans will tell me different reasons

that aren't just it's Julius Randall's fault but noticing yeah that's a huge fucking issue if their defense is just going to be middle of the pack what's the point of having a Rudy go bear on your team, you're just going to have a mid and okay defense. That's not why he's supposed to be there. So, definitely

have you noticed, I expect that to go up. But especially you expect their offense to take a turn for the better to at this point in time. Definitely noticing. And it's, listen, you have Jada McDaniels who is a, you know, profiles is a very good defender. I guess

hasn't necessarily been the like elite great defender that it seemed like he was going to be a couple years ago. He's not Herb Jones from last year where he's like one man wrecking crew on the perimeter. But he's good. He should give you a good wing stopper there.

Ant can lock in and play defense when he needed. I don't think he's been super consistent this year. He never really is except for big moments when he pulls the shorts up. But yeah, it's weird

that you haven't got in the big Rudy Gaubert experience. His blocks are pretty low right now and I haven't been watching them close enough to know why that is. I don't know if he's playing higher on screens and they're not quite being super comfortable right now,

but you haven't felt the regular Rudy Gauberry O'Berry impact. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. definitely heavy noticing on them if it'll be a i just helped to have to hope and pray that this is just like a comfortability thing and julius randall still learning like the philosophy over there yeah let's see what other teams i've let's talk about the main things i want to talk about we're chris paul and the raptors oh yeah we got to talk about real quick the houston rockets

one thing that people aren't noticing that maybe they are after the last game and when they made that 30 point comeback and almost beat the warriors tarry eason and amend thompson are two of their five best players. That is abundantly clear if you've been watching the Houston Rockets. But they're not going to be starters right now because of, you know, veteran politics. Fred Van Vleet is a starting point guard. He's been playing like dog shit. He's averaging 1312 points and like 28% from the field, which just looks really, really bad. It kind of looks like what happens when a small point guard loses a step. It goes real quickly. I don't know. Maybe it's just poor shooting. Maybe he'll be back. He doesn't look great. Jabari Smith is fine. But Tari

Eason has been the just high motor wrecking ball he's been for several years now and he's just getting better and better he's shooting the ball well right now at least in that last game he had multiple threes i think he shot like 50% three for that game he had a bunch of big key steals in the second half he need him and a man thompson give them so much juice as two-way players finishing at the rim and causing havoc defensively they need to find a path to those two guys to play starter minutes and i don't know if they can because they have so many players in their team that also need big minutes i'm no longer noticing i have noticed right i i have i because this is this is exactly what we thought was going to happen yeah coming into the season obviously people

were talking about tar heason for several years now but you knew that the rockets had too many guys and that eventually one or two of them we're going to stand out from the rest of the of the pack And now we get into the interesting part, which is if they continue to do it, there's no, there's no way that in a competitive Western conference, you just can't play good, good players, right? Like eventually, EMA is going to have to go and be like, hey, you're going to have to be on the bench. And we've seen him, we've seen him do it before, you know, if it's, we've seen him bench people in, in crucial times.

And so I think that eventually we're going to get to a point where targeting, is playing more. A man is playing more. And a trade hopefully happens and you can clear up minutes for some for, you know, the young guys. Speaking of him, I don't think he's doing a good job over there like just divving up the minutes. Like, why do I

see it's hard. It's hard. I understand it's hard. I understand that. I wholeheartedly understand that. Do you? Yeah, but at the same time too, I see other players and other teams like finding ways to get their second round draft picks minutes and stuff like that. Like, why the hell is, why the hell is Fred Bain playing 38 minutes a game? That's unnecessary. Completely unnecessary. Why is Desmond Bain getting like 35 minutes a game? For what?

That's too much, you know? You and Dylan Brooks? Yeah, Dylan Brooks. My thought, that's Desmond Bain. What did this happen? Yeah, no, no. Their offense is really better now. They, uh, they, they need to, I see a lot of Rockets fans talk about it. They need to offensive coordinator. and it shows. I mean Yudoka is a very good defensive coach. He's very good at instilling a culture. Their offense is fucking gross right now. And they had that comeback,

but they were down 30 to the Warriors for a reason because they were getting shackled. Draymond Green had them in hell. It was crazy. And a big part of that is, you know, their offense kind of goes through Sanguon, right? He is, you know, their best player. He just got that big contract.

IMA Yudoka just does not fuck with him. He has the shortest leash ever for the best player on a team. So far this season, there's been like four games where he doesn't play most of the fourth quarter if not all of it and part of that I may said is they feel comfortable going to looks closing the games with Jabari at the five and then having Tari or a man out there because that's what they did last season in the second half of the year when they made that big run and almost made the playing tournament he straight up said that they saw that work for an extended period of time and they're comfortable using that as a primary look so if Sangoon isn't defending well which you know tends to happen for Albury's They'll quickly snatch him off the court, which I understand.

It's good to be versatile. Not if it's at the expense of depowering your number one offensive engine that you need to find a way to play through him if you're going to have a ceiling offensively. I just think it's understandable but strange way to coach him, especially after you just paid him and seemingly your front office wants to commit to him. He may say, listen, that's not my problem to y'all pay him. Yeah, I didn't pay him. I didn't give him the contract. I told him what he had to do to get this money. He hasn't done it, and then y'all gave him the money.

So what do you want me to do? He's in a very, like, tough position because on one hand, like, he is playing the game. We see him play the veterans. And you know that whenever people get contracts, you also, like, have – there's a certain level of, like, okay, we're going to play through you that you have to do, and he's not. So it – I just want to know what's the – beef i want to know what the personal beef is like why specifically i can tell you what it is very clear he's no no no no no this is this is off the core i know he don't you don't like him because there's

there's a very clear like it's a it's very clear whenever like i know he may smart and so i know that you can see that that sangoon doesn't play defense i know that you can also see the prayer van bleed not playing well so it is like you know it is that video soft pretty boy bitch. Like, that's how he views these guys. Fred Ben Blit is gritty, nose to the grind, undrafted a guy. He tries a thousand percent. E. May is the coach that rewards that to the thousandth degree.

He empowered Marcus Mark, because he's just like that. Those are the type of guys who gravitates towards. Men Thompson and Tarisan are playing minutes now because they get that shit out of the mud. They put in effort every single play. Big motor guys. Sanguna is all finesse. You know, he's European. He has that style of play that clearly is not in line with Ime Doka's

psyche. If I ever see you throw a no look pass, get to the fuck off the cord. But no, it's weird. And, you know, last season, I noticed this a lot, and I mentioned on the pod that it seems like they're not super committed to him. There was rumors that Sengu was on the trade block,

which were unsubstantiated. They were fake. But it was something we noticed because there's a lot of times where he wouldn't close games and had a short leash and so on. Then he got paid, and Rock his fans were like,

see, we told you all that smoke about him not being the guy was stupid. But yet the coach still behaves in this way and it's still very comfortable not giving him the treatment that a you know pseudo star player would normally get from their coach yeah i think right now it's easy to not give someone like opprens and gloom minutes particularly if when he's not doing his thing offensively which he hasn't been and that's the main reason why you play him that's what makes him look like he's special when he's not doing what he does defensively which like you said i think isn't

much and he's just like been very average to below average offensively especially when when it comes to this touch around the rim as a big man, like at that point in time, you're unplayable and you're actively hurting my team. So as soon as he gets back on track and finds his rhythm, I think email will be forced to play him through the fourth quarter. Yeah, and it's one of those things too that, like you said,

if he's not playing well and I already know I have another look I can go to where I get some athletes on the court, then like I'm going to do that, you know? Yeah, I agree. I agree. Another team that I wanted to talk about, Atlanta Hawks, of course. Oh, yeah, let's talk about how bad they look. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we all right, we are right, we are all right. We just didn't want to be healthy, man. I hate watching them with Boggs. Dude, we need half of our team to be healthy. The season started and boom, like four or five, half of our rotation player just went out, whether it be Vic DeAndre Hunter or Bogie, bro, it's insane. And even Dyson Daniels went out. And he returned last night for New Orleans, and we won.

And this specific moment is about him, so how important and impactful he is and impactful he is and has been for this team. He's a huge 6-6, not huge, decently sized 6-6-6-wing, fantastic defensive opponent of attack defender who we've been like begging for and wanting for all this time alongside Trey Young.

Defensively, he means the world to us. Right now, when he's on the court, we have a defensive rating of 88. 88, that is insane. That'll be one of the best defenses of all time with him on the court. Without him, we have a defensive rating, of 145.

That's an absurd number. That's all-star game type numbers right there. 145. That number is absurd, of course. And that just shows how much he's meant to us on that end and also offensive to be special for us as well when he comes to the connected things that he can do. But, yeah, he is monumental to us and our success. And since he's been out for a majority of the season,

because he's played a little bit now, he played it a little bit during the first few games. went out because of an injury. Now he just returned. We're still, like, I think we're a top eight defense in our offense in the entire NBA. But defensively, I think we're like 25, 26, 27 around that range.

One of the worst defensive teams, so we sell themselves. I got some bad news for it. That's really going to be all year. They're going to be a mediocre defensive team with a really good offense because they have Quinn Snyder and Trey Young. My biggest takeaway from watching them is, like you said, they've been insanely injured, and they have no margin for air

with injuries. They are not deep right now. It seems like they are, but they're deep with a lot of David Roddy's and shit that are fine players that can fill a role but they're not going to be like there's no juice and either they say it he's hated oh shout out the other day

Garrison Matthews is a bucket he's a sniper dude he's a sniper the main thing I noticed is when Bogdan isn't there and they're starting all their light skin brigade of six nine wings they do not have nearly enough ball handling and when they blitzed for young and they make it go out Jalen Johnson has to essentially be the second

ball handler and I hate that for him they have to empower him to develop that way so I get it but I do not like watching him be the guy to run pick and rolls and try to think real hard to make these passing reads that just clearly are not natural to him he's just like herky jerky he's so much better when he can be a play finisher be the lethal transition just killer he is and be the tertiary ball handler and not have to be like the main guy

when traeong's off the court I hate watching him be a point forward yeah I think the main issue with that whenever traeong gets blitz and he's forced to make decisions or like high level decisions is that like he's not a great half court player at all like you said he thrives in the transition and whenever like the defense is actually like staying still that's when you see like his game starts to get paralyzed a little bit

his superpower starts get paralyzed a little bit tranquilize if you will and that's because he's not necessarily just yet a three level score he can shoot from three he has been getting better when it comes to his finishing early He's like, I had a super slow start to the season. Everyone was like, oh, my God, Jalen Johnson. He's not that guy, but give him all this money. He was averaging 11 points.

Boom. He put up like 29 and 17 or something like that. He gets the Wizards and 21 and 11 and 9. So he's just, he's fine. He's that guy still. But it's like one of those instances where it's like, you're at work and you show that you're actually good at something. And now they're like, okay, well, fuck it.

Like, what's around this guy all the fucking time? 100%. He was good at something. You're like, okay, you can do this, bro. No, yeah. You're too good of an employee, so they give you more responsibility. They promoted him to manager Now he's running the fry cook station

And the flip in the burgers He has to do everything now They move with the line to line To shift manager And it's hard You gotta make an adjustment And that's what they're asking for And now the fries are cold

Yeah now the fries are cold And the milkshakes are all fucked But you're right Having Jailin there Having bogged on there is very important And no this is why You give guys touches So they can get better at these things

It's not a natural thing Jalen Johnson has always been a guy That develops over time He didn't walk into the league Just being this bucket That is like the clear cut guy. He's a guy that's earned his right there by continuing to get better. So he'll keep doing that. Also, he needs to get better as a screen setter. He's a fucking terrible screen setter.

They do a lot of pick and roll with him and Trey Young. And so many guys these days do not want to make contact because they want to slip it and get the open short roll touch. And it pisses me off so much. Like, he's so horrible setting screens. Yeah. Jaylon Johnson is so interesting as a player because he didn't even get much. He didn't finish his college year at Duke when he went a couple years ago. He had beef with the coach. Didn't end up playing show up for like a game or two. And he comes to the NBA. Of course, under Nate Milk, Dudman, doesn't play for the first two years of his career. It gets a little bit of sunshine and he gets to, like, actually sweat a little. And now it almost feels like this is his actual second year in the NBA

because his playing time and playing high-level basketball overall just hasn't been there. So I see him being like a late bloomer almost in his NBA career. They're having Jalem Brown, Jason Tatum, and then debates in the chat and also Kanye debates. Wait, wait, wait, what's going on? And right under that, someone says Someone for MVP, bro, y'all are going Y'all talking nonsense. Earlier somebody asked me who the best rookie is this year,

Ryan Dunn pretty easily. That's hilarious, bro. Every rookie has been either not playing or just putting up. I got it, I'm tapped in. Yeah, this class is terrible. Well, that's the last team we're going to talk about And that's the end of the stream

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