The Deep 3 Podcast - The Biggest Surprises Of The NBA Playoffs | Ep. 88

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

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Where were y'all when the Minnesota Timberwell was put on probably the single grace defensive performance of our lifetimes in an NBA playoff game? I'm where I'm always at, the crib. Oh, is it anywhere special? Exactly. I was chilling laying on the couch, blanket it up, you know? Naturally. Big Tiger blanket?

Of course. Of course. I know the vibes. Yeah. But listen, multiple fans on, 68 degrees in the house. Yeah He was in that zone He was in that mode

He was in that mode Yeah Yeah For the Nishon people Who understand That tech talk reference That's great Welcome back to the newest

episode I just see by the title Today we're going to talk about The biggest surprises Of the NBA playoffs so far Which is just a creative With titled episode We're going to talk about

The Minnesota Fucking Timberwolves And how Ridiculous they have been as I've recorded this on Friday morning, they're up to a 2-0 lead over the Denver Nuggets in a very unexpected fashion.

So we're talking about that. We're talking about all the other series, things from past series that surprised us, the usual. Absolutely. But wait, before they go ahead and continue on with this podcast, they have to go ahead and leave a like.

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Before we get to the main part of the show, got to carry on a week of tradition that I forgot the do for the last two weeks. We're going to do the comment of the day. This time today's comment the day comes from at Savage G. 7272. He says, am I the only one who thought

this was a skinny Marcus Morris, young Carmelo, and a retired Clay Thompson podcast? Now, obviously they're telling me I look like Clay Thompson. That's not new. Which one of y'all is, Carmelo, which one of y'all is skinny Marcus Morris?

That's what I want to know. I guess young Camaro because I'm bigger. That's the only thing that would make sense for me. Skinny Marcus Morris? Probably. Hey, don't have been on a cut. What do you mean? Talking about it, Don, you've been down 30.

I am down 30. I am down 30. I am down 30. Officially ended today. So, you know what I'm saying? We're done with it. We're back to maintenance. I can finally eat again.

Turkey for breakfast? Oh, 100%. You know what it's turkey egg whites? Fat free cheese, I'm on it. But am I, am I skinny market? I guess Marcus Morris has like a more of a beard than like Prime Carmelow. Is that what he means you think? That's the only thing that I can think about.

I don't know who's like Young Mellow to you guys. That they both perplex me. Young Mellon. I can see Marcus Morris now. I can see Marcus Mores now for sure really on just because of the beard and the hair combo obviously. Is it? I think, listen,

I do think that this is just another example of, you know, slight racism. That's a little bit. He said black, black, the same, right? I don't really see it, but, hey, I'm not, I'm not mad at it. I'm not losing sleep.

You get to compliment to be young Marcus Morris or young Carrello? I guess. All right. Well, that's the comment of the day. I didn't find a good question. So I had to go with that one. So listen, if you're watching right now, go ahead and comment, whatever question, hot take, statement, whatever you want it to be? Maybe we'll react to it next week. Absolutely. Well, for now, you know what time it is? It's a moment of the week. Again, this shit hasn't been done in like three weeks or so. But we're fucking back. Who cares? Now, so many things has happened over the last seven days. If you are new and you don't know what this segment is, moment of the moment of the week. week is just highlighting a specific moment that happened within the last seven days of course i have a feeling the game makes it clear to them you you'd be surprised is this thing epidemic called like tic-tog brain and a lot of people just have like real comprehension issues yeah so moment of the

week belongs to jalen brunson i believe he missed an entire quarter of the i believe he missed an entire quarter of I believe it was the second quarter of the last game that they played. And he had a foot injury. Came back, looked like hobbled a little bit, but finished the game out, super strong hit clutch bucket on clutch bucket on clutch bucket on clutch bucket. And that led me to think right now,

where does John Brunson rank in the NBA? Ooh, okay. I feel like by the end of the season, it was pretty easy to say he's top 20, right? That was like very fair. Can you put, listen, playoff performer, he's handling a ridiculous load of minutes, and he's rising to the occasion, being able to handle that load at high efficiency. Sounds like a top 15 player to me. I'm putting him top 15.

I'm, I'm doing that. It's just, yo, like the entire roster of like the Knicks right now, outside of Brunson, all of these guys started the year on the bench, right? And like next, next game, you know, OG's out for game three tonight. So they're probably going to start like Brunton McBride, Dante, Josh Hart, and then Hartonson. Again, outside of Brunton, all four of those guys, bench players. The people who are coming off of the bench, we might see Alec Burke Minutes tonight. We might see, we're going to see Precious Achua. All these guys are coming off the bench and he is leading them to now a 2-0 series lead

in the second round of the playoffs it's this type of like rising to the occasion it's it's very very rare that you see somebody who could do it this consistently and basically hit every clutch bucket necessary i'm giving him props for that yeah i mean him and donovan mitchell have been i saw a tweet earlier that him and donovan mitchell have been the best two players in the playoffs this year i think they're probably facts they're probably about the same caliber of player and i think it's very easy to say don't know if mitchell's a top 15 guy now yeah i don't know who we can the top 15 because every time this time of year comes around people do well there's 65

players that are supposedly top 10 and 42 more they're supposedly top 20 so I don't know where they actually land but he's in that range I think okay what would you think Dale and runs don't have to do to like 30 I don't really know that he's maximizing the fuck out of his potential

you know like I don't know what else he needs to do other than like maybe just let time go by he's what 28 27 years old or so that that's where I think it would be I think that Jalen Brunson could go and win a championship this year actually not maybe maybe that will probably change some people's opinion but even if the Knicks like end up winning this series and get to the conference finals and even if they like push boss into seven and let's say they they lose and he continues to do everything that he would do I think a lot of people might see this run defined as one that is but it's like defined by like

the amount of dog that the Knicks have and it might feel like a little like Cinderella a little like power, power friendship, 23 or 22 Miami Heatish, right? And I think there's going to be another, there needs to be another year of Brunson doing this for like the consensus to be like, yeah, he is top 10. Also, he played just a little bit more defense. He can't because of like his size. But, you know, he tries. He's a solid. He can do some team defending stuff so it's okay yeah I think there could be a reactionary place

like oh he's top 10 just because like you said he goes on a deep run there's always that like huge boost that maybe wear away the next year yeah but you know he's never going to be a strong defender never going to be like an elite passer there's just a lot of good players in league so I don't know if it's I feel like it's doing him a bit of a disservice to be like he must be a top 10 player when is it going to happen

I feel like him being a top 15 player after being a second round pick and backup point guard for four years is already enough that's already like an amazing thing I'm not going to it because I think for him to be where he is right now is incredible and I don't expect him to go any higher if he does it'll be a welcome surprise yeah if he does go higher that must mean quite literally he unlocked another element of this game whether it be like just being more of a bastard on the defensive end and just like we're all annoying or like the passing has taken a leap too

and I don't really foresee those two two things happening there's nothing wrong with the player that he is right now, but that probably looks like the path away for him to just take another step as fast. Yeah, let's start dunk with two legs. It grows to six five. I don't know if it's going to be possible. But also, I wouldn't have expected him to be the 14th best player in the league a year ago. So I'm done doubting anything that's impossible for Jaylon Brunson. This team is a team of destiny and he is just, I don't even know what words is used. That's not hyperbole because he's just been amazing in every way. Yeah, if you're scoring 40 every night, like you know what? Yeah, you're top 10 like if you if you if you average 40 for the season you got it

he's certainly been top 10 for these playoffs so that's the case it is it doesn't even matter what we're projecting forward he's currently playing top 10 you guys remember top when the Knicks threw on that contract and like there's a certain group of fans that's freaking the fuck out oh that was me that wow you were yeah I think I don't I don't think I was and I'm maybe I'm like changing my my like memory on this but i don't remember being as bad as like oh we shouldn't do it but i just remember it feeling like it felt like this was like the big signing rather than like a step in like a certain direction and so from that perspective i was like oh no like like this can't be

like the big signing but i mean jalen brunson i i don't think anybody outside of jelan brunson thought that he could reach like these heights and so seeing seeing the nicks go like all out for Brunson, I just thought that we were building towards, like, another, another, like, mid-era. But nah, man. I liked it a lot. We just here. I liked it a lot. But that's because I thought he could average 22 and 7.

I never thought he could average fucking 40 for a playoff series. That was never in my cars, even as being a very vocal pro J. The Brunson guy, never saw this shit coming. This is ridiculous. Yeah. Wow. I never saw this shit coming. It made sense to me why a team like the Knicks would do so with the current state that they

were in were just like. Mid had a little bit of success while being led by Julius Randall. But now this is one of the better deals of fucking recent NBA history for sure. Let's talk more about the Knicks while we're at this topic because like I said, today we're ranking the biggest surprise surprises of the playoffs. So we all have like a one through five. Honestly, it'll probably pick the same thing. There's only so many teams in the playoffs. One of my teams on here is the Knicks.

And my biggest surprise is the fact that these core players, especially the Villanova 3, can handle 48 minutes a night. I find it baffling that Josh Hart can play every minute of every game and still exists as a human that isn't falling apart Adam by Adam. Some people are just built like that, you know? Yeah, he's fucking ox. Yeah, like, I just, I don't know. Like, people have asked him before like, oh, like how are you guys, you know,

able to play such like heavy minutes and stuff like that. And people on the next are like, you know, we've done it all year. Like, it very much. is a pushback on like the we're going to rest our guys, we're going to do, you know, load management. Tom Tipito's like, no, when we get to April and May and June, everybody understands you are going to have to play 42 minutes a night because I don't trust the eighth and ninth guy on the bench. So yeah, in February, we're going to have to do that. And also, also to that, because I think a lot of people, like, you saw the OG injury and him go down with the hamstring and people are like,

oh well this is what happens with like when tom tibodeo is your coach like he's going to run your players into the ground how for you guys i feel like i know where you guys stand on this but like the nicks for the entire year played play the regular season like as if it matters in terms of like we want every game we want the seating right we want to be the two seats we want all the advantages that come with that and so because we think like that we are going to play our guys and play a certain style of basketball whereas a team like Cleveland you know was doing like standy jockeying

or some other teams were like rest players on this night because they don't really value the whole 82 games of the regular season like I think that the Knicks have prepared themselves well for this moment and I do think that that like contributes to them being ready to play for eight minutes a night yeah well I'll let you talk about that but on the one thing we're quick for I forget

OG and Mr. Robinson are hurt now and people are saying like you said the nicks are wearing them down so tom tibito does bro michael robinson and ojianobie have been getting injured every six weeks for their entire career this is not new to this season when they're playing huge minutes loads ojiannobie is good for a hamstring injury once every full moon cycle and and mitcher robinson is just coming back from injury and got re-injured by joel and b let's not forget that but oh my gosh but yeah but that wasn't even that play it's a crazy narrative wasn't even that play that did it which are which are the Joel and B plays.

Jolabee did not Andrew Mr. Robinson. Mr. Robinson equals having brittle forever. I promise you he did. Mr. Robinson, get hurt next year at the start of the season. You'll still find a way to enjoy it. Joel. Just for this summer.

What do you think about their their strategy of trying hard as fuck all the time? Is it paid dividends? Yeah, absolutely. It pays dividends and it just like carries and it's their team identity and when you form an identity that's also conducive to just like that'll translate in the playoffs and just going to be really productive but i agree with you in terms of like you know those things being surprising but for me personally i guess all year

something that's been surprising for me of course it's travels in the playoffs as well and it also applies to josh art but seeing the leap that dante divan jenzo have taken shooting wise is absolutely insane the first like three four years of his career he wasn't he wasn't even a 35% shooter from the three point line at all and now this season and also in the post season he's traded to a 40% shooter on eight attempts per per game that is some of the best efficiency and also volume in the entire league and he's legit threat and he's turned himself from just like oh and okay meh like role player traveled through the warriors had a year of the Sacramento

kings and of course he was originally a buck and all that stuff to now he's a legit option that you need to have to and you wouldn't mind relying on it all it's ridiculous those white boys used a couple years but they're there they were there they were sleeper cells for a while but they eventually awoken he awoke his sharring gone halfway through his career he's looking for too he's you know he's pressed down he's pressed down those white boy jeans for a while you know exactly he's suppressing her for a while get a lot of taper fades and eventually, just said, hey, woke up. Exactly.

I guess we can talk a little bit. Well, this is obviously my first surprise, is the Knicks stamina. Let's talk a little more about the series, what we're seeing. First game, they won against the Pacers. Back and forth game, both teams played their game, whatever. Came down just a controversial calls for Pacer's fans. That they were robbed, and the Knicks were once again on the winning side of some questionable referee calls.

I'm interested to hear your side about this, Donovan. has it happened twice now but I think it's not surprising at all everything we're talking about with this team trying so hard all the time playing every game in the regular season like it's do or die like their lives on the line

like if they don't make this shot they're going to lose their contract they play with a certain level of physicality that when you play with that every single play what are the rest going to do call a hand check every single play they allow you to have some leeway because you built a reputation for yourself

you're going to be allowed to be more physical because your reputation because you're known as being good defensively they know this is what you want to do that gives you more leeway and I think that's why it's no surprise that they continue to be on good side of calls because they're allowed to get away with stuff

when you see them try hard every single play versus when someone like Tyree Taliburton smacks somebody he doesn't do that often so it stands up. Yeah. Okay, so I'll say this. I honestly think that the whistle for the first 46 minutes of the game is actually kind of equal. Like I think I think that there are several plays

that Josh Hart goes to the rim and he's getting in once and they do not call. However, like you said, Josh Hart is able to fly in like he's jumping off of a trampoline and hit five people on the way to get an offensive rebound and no call is made. So I, I like, I'm okay with that tradeoff. The big calls, they've gone our way. I understand Pacers fans why you would be upset. And the literal only thing that I have to say on the big calls, sucks to suck like I'm like there's the because like the the big calls aren't even they're not

even like oh the nicks are being overly physical like they're getting away with fouls and stuff it was a kicked ball that wasn't a kick ball and it wasn't reviewed that's not the nicks fault that is an officiating fault in game one right so I can't I can't blame the nix for that and I understand why the Pacers would be upset because it happened again in game two where they called a kickball. It wasn't. I think it hit Miles Turner's hands

and it wasn't reviewed. But they went and they they like overturned a double dribble for Isaiah Hartinstein. The Pacers didn't challenge that at all. The rest was like, oh, like I think we made a mistake. So I understand why there are like high leverage calls that they feel that they are not getting.

But I do feel this way for every series that there are 30 calls a game that every team could write down and say, we should have got this, we should have got that, we should have got this. And the Pacers, after game two, they have their list,

they submitted it to the league. I think that that is as dorky as can be. Just because you know that the conversations are happening. Like you know Rick Carlisle, was going up to the refs as is in telling them what they're missing like I don't I don't know I actually think that it it has been a very physical series but if we actually look at it in totality it probably does even out over the first two games yeah I'm so over referee bitching by fans I've been so I've talked about this tweeted about it every fucking fan base

thinks there's some martyr that's being done bad and that the NBA's rigging it for the other team you have math fans being like oh this rigged for Shay I'm like you think they're rigging it for a team based in Central Oklahoma, shut the hell up. Like, what are we talking about? People are so dramatic, such babies. Players do it, coaches do it. Everybody in the NBA set a tone of complaining about refs.

For obviously understandable reasons, like this game, the kickball thing is an actual bad call. But it's set a tone that all fans think that this has to be like a talking point for every single game. And if their team doesn't have equal free throws and they're done wrong by a rule set problem when maybe their team just sucks ass at free throws.

Like the Golden State Warriors fans are obviously notorious for this. Their team is awful at John Fritos, apply no room pressure. Then they're surprised why they play Lakers, a team that does nothing but dive at the rim. Oh, why are they get more free throws, right? Like, fans are unable to apply any context. They're just like, my team's getting those free throws, therefore I am fucked over. Also, it's a different referee and crew every game.

Like, dude, like everyone's like, oh, like I want consistency. If we had the same refs every single game, then I can understand that. There literally is no consistency with who, is refereeing your game so that's going to go out of out of the window like welcome to human error welcome to human psychology exactly exactly and i promise you i i promise every fan watching right now you'd rather have real life human officials than have robot officials in the NBA you would people would be so upset watching like watching uh you know automated calls in the elite so That would be so depleting, bro.

Yeah. The game would be so slow to call everything like that. It would just be nonstop. Exactly. If you had VAR and basketball, oh, man. But what are your thoughts on game two? Because you obviously brought a moment of the day talking about games to you. What were you thinking when you saw the superhero performance in the second half?

Jalen Brunson is unstoppable. O.G. Underdobia, I believe, in the first half. He scored like 15, 20, 22 points. He was immacquence when he had to step up, just hard as well. But something that stood out to me specifically, not as so in the Knicks side on the Patriots side, was how ass pass Galaxi Akam has been. And he's been able to just like skate five, not even with this game or the first game, but the last few games actually were just being, man, I believe if I remember correctly, during the over the last 55 game for him, he's been averaging like 15 points, shooting 17% from three. and just like 28% from the free throw line.

You're going from Pascal Seatham throughout the first three, four games of the playoffs to Kidit Fareed in 2020. Tough. What's going on? Animal comparisons? In this series, so far, he's averaging 16.5 points,

7.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 44% from the field, and a lethal 16% from 3, as well as 33% from the free throw line. Stiper. What? You're going to feel dangerous. What can I say?

And you would think that this is a series that he would, again, like, rise to the occasion because the Knicks are depleted of their, all of depth, depth from all their big guys. So it's, like, kind of concerning if I'm a Pacer's fan. And at the end of the day, like, they have to go ahead and resign because they basically have no choice, got rid of, like, a good amount of assets for him. And I just, I'm, if I'm a lot of. page's fan that doesn't make me feel good at all Tyrese can you know have the bad game she's a young player or whatever cool but but this guy here's supposed to take us to the next

they'll be supposed to help us overcome this phase and stage of our development so it's concerned yeah this is an interesting series because coming into it we did our production stream and we all picked the Knicks I think right yeah and it was an interesting one it's such a clash of styles right one team that wants to be really fast get out in semi-transition and attack you to half-court setting before you can get set with all their ball handling and shooting, one team in the Knicks wants to grab crowbars and crack your spleen open. And it was like obvious one of these styles is going to prevail, right? Either the Pacers are going to run the Knicks off the court and make it so they can't crash the boards anymore because they keep getting

beaten transition or the Knicks are going to just destroy them down low to the point where the Pacers can't get back and run because they have to try to box out and respect the offensive rebound percentages. And I think so far the Knicks are winning that style about battle, right? Like we're seeing the Knicks get their normal offensive rebound advantages they have everybody. Last game they had 44 rebounds compared to 34. That's the sizable advantage you want. And the Patriots only had two more fast break points than the Knicks. So I think we're clearly seeing that this slower style is prevailing over the team that wants to get on run. Yeah. Yeah, I can I can agree with that. But at the same time, like, I feel like, I feel like the second half of game two was

probably slower. The first half of game two was one of the fastest games that I've, that I feel like I've watched in a playoff context. And I've, like the Pacers, when they are at their best, forget seven seconds or less. Like I keep watching this team. I keep saying it to myself, but like these guys are like four seconds or less. They do not care about the shot clock at all. And I think that even after game one, I walked away and I was like, it kind of felt like the paces dictated the pace a little bit. I think the Knicks are able to get offensive rebounds just because they do care about them more and they're able to like to they're able, like that's kind of just penciled in of

like you're going to have 10 offensive rebounds or, you know, whatever the number is. If you're, if you're the Knicks. But down the stretch of games is really where I think you see the difference in styles because as the game, like once we're in the last five minutes and the game does get slower one team is prepared to to play like that and the patience kind of have to switch up their strategy exactly and that's why speed doesn't typically win the playoffs right because natural things are going to slow down it's hard to do that over the course of a game as for a team that's adjusting to that as games go on as series go on you got to have a counter in the half

court when things slow down and like you said the nation is built for that so they can keep it close until things have to slow down then they can really come out and kill you in the fourth Yeah, I think I think one thing the Pacers can also do to to help them. Yo, T.J. McConnell has to be on the floor. He has to close to him with them. Let's fucking talk about it. Yo, T.J. McConnell has been hooping. He's a dog.

He has been hooping. And I was so shocked because I actually think that the Pacers could have won this game if T.J. McConnell was on the floor instead of Andrew Nemhart. Because at the very least, he was making Brunton work for everything that he, he got and he was slowing the the nick's offense down to a point where if brunton wants to go one-on-one he he could try and go one-on-one against t jr mccano wasn't going to be easy he was going to take 23 seconds so i'm i was very shocked to see mccano finish this game on the bench yeah and also nemhart has been fucking food for brenson exactly yeah that's the issue that's the issue

right there to be honest with you like nem hard you would think that he has the perfect combination of not necessarily speed but just like strength um to go ahead and deterred a player like jalen brunswick who's all about like you know bully ball drops that he's the only point guard in the league drops up and shit like that who can also dance on you with any way possible but seeing how t j mccall just takes up space and he really uses his speed and just doesn't give him any like room to breathe or get comfortable is insane and honestly that should be a part of the game plan. I think what I see the second game or game two played

they obviously fucking lost it to the third quarter. They also lost because like how Miles Turner and Pascal's second played. But Tito McCall is a real difference and he's an impact player who also can play to the tune of

the crowd it feels like. He's insane. Yeah. You're definitely interesting that they have such a they have a bench talent advantage right now, especially with the Nixso depleted. interesting how they choose to deploy that the times you've seen Rick Carlo have too big of a bench he's playing Isaiah Jackson

for no reason we're like what the hell stop this right now and then we see this time where T.J. McConnell wasn't playing enough minutes so feels like Rick Carlo has had some pretty uneven roster use over the course of the playoffs not his finest showing I guess we'll see how he is the rest of the playoffs or rest of series if it lasts more than two more games

but not going great. Yeah and then I guess I guess we can we can move on to the next series but quick note on on the Pacers Tyree Taliburton is kind of bad guys like he's his shot his shot has been falling more consistently in the playoffs

specifically over the over like the last five games like he shot at least 40% from three in four the last five games if he's shooting the way that he has been that unlocks the Tyree Taliburton that we all thought was rising up the point guard rankings you know towards the in season tournament time yeah yeah he's

He hit 34-9, no, and said a word about it. They're just waiting for the next to him, he has 11 to call him Smush Parker. Exactly. Yeah, but he's, he's here. He's here. He's so unbelievably hated and it's hilarious. Like, I don't understand what people have so much smoke for him. Well, I don't know.

Because they thought he was overrated earlier than the year. And I was like, ha, I told you he's not great. Like, all right. It's all, it's all about devaluing the in-season tournament. Nobody wants to hear like, oh, this guy, he's so close. Did you see the NCAA? You know what? Nobody wants to see the Lakers with a chip under their belt.

No one wants to do the Lakers or another banner for a thing that matters. All right. Just like the bubbles. As soon as the Lakers win, we've got to discredit it. That's right. Congratulations. Next series. I got my list of five surprises.

We'll keep going down my list. I'm sure ours are the same. Yeah. My next surprise, obviously, the one we should have started with, the Minnesota Timberwolves are by far the biggest surprise of the playoffs so far. Coming into the playoffs are really, okay, so let's go backwards. Coming to the season, none of us liked them. I'll speak for myself.

I had zero faith that Carl Anthony Towns could play power forward in an effective way defensively for this team to have a real championship ceiling. And I just thought that they would be a play and level team. Obviously, by week two of the season, I was like, never mind, I'm wrong as shit, this team is amazing. Defensive player of the Eagle Bear,

aunt looks better, they're going to be a great team. All year, I knew they were a great team. Every time we did power rankings, they never fell out of the top five. They were one of the best teams in the league, unequivocally. It was the top four teams in the east. I mean, no, top four teams in the west.

We're all bundled up than the Boston Celtics That was the top tier The league Where you put the Timberwolves In that tier There was some variation Right

We still questions about them And put them The lower half of that Because one They were unproven Relatively Two, we had concerns About their late game

decision making And playmaking And three There were a defensive heavy team The offense was We'll see right There was 17th Offensive rating for the season

We'll see how that Looks in the playoffs Setting against the best teams All of that has been rendered mute because they are the first offense in the league right now number one offensive rating tied with the Pacers while also still being top in defense

they are utterly ridiculous and have leveled up in a way that none of us could have seen coming they're currently up 2-0 over the Nuggets and that 2-0 was capped off by the biggest defensive asswoping I've ever seen in a playoff game it was ridiculous how do y'all feel do you feel like they prove you wrong

should you have seen this coming what are your thoughts they made your king look like Patrick Starr Isaac what do you have to do Oh my goodness. The white man's no longer on top of the NBA. We are back. We all shoot him in one game like he got swept. But no, dude, they made them look so unbelievably bad.

Without Rudy Gobert, it was the Carlithing Towns and Nasreed superstar showing defensively. I've never seen Nas read defend like this. He was incredible. They had 12 blocks and 11 steals with no go bear. Just unbelievable defensive playmaking all across the roster. Unbelievable energy. unbelievable shot making.

Carltony Towns was eating Luca, I mean, Nicole Yocry's lunch offensively. He had 27 and 12. He looked like a star. The Carltony Towns he've always wanted him to be. Everything went well for the Timberwolves. It was incredible to watch.

The Car Anthony Towns that we're seeing right now is the Car Anthony Towns that folks said back in like, I don't know, 2015. Yeah. If I'm starting my franchise tomorrow, I want to pick Carthetowns over every single player and then the NBA Frog Headie, you don't matter, whatever.

That's the version of the Carthic. I was seeing right now. 100%. Two, three months ago, this dude literally tore his meniscus. And you rehabbed like a demon. I've never seen this dude so locked in

for the entire amount of my life. Not even this dude in extent passed by him. This entire team, like you said, Nas Reid. When the fuck has he been known as a defender? He was never that in high school. He was never that in his early years in the NBA. That's not

his reputation at all. He even came out I believe what two days ago on a JJ Reddit podcast. He was like, bro, I'd never like play a defense. But we now accept the challenge as a whole. You know what I'm saying? And so to see him consistently move his feet and just give his all is insane. And you're right. It is like it's a top down approach.

And I believe it starts with the hell of it, which is Rudy Gober and the coaching staff. And the attitude that they play with. 100%. Rudy Gobert, Anthony Edwards, and Chris Finch have all played a part in laying this culture of trying as hard as you can in every position, every possession, valuing defense, not taking plays off, winning with certain style and tenacity that permeates, right? Nikkel Alexander Walker was never an elite defender for his entire career. He was a bucket getter, six-man spark plug, and he came to this team, and they were like, hey, your arms are long as shit. I think you can probably be good at defense with him. And he's like, bet, let me try it.

And now he's an amazing defender. And that's because you have a team with Anthony Edwards who as a leader is as good as you can have for a young star, right? He lets a fire under his guys. He supports his teammates, all this. And we know that Rudy Gobert for better or worse cares about defense a lot. So it's permeated throughout the whole roster. And we're seeing the dividends paid because even when Rudy Go Bear is not there, they all carry on that tenacity. Yeah.

And Moe said it right. He said, you know, everything with the Timberwolves is a top-down approach. And I don't care if it's Alex Rodriguez. I don't care if it's Glenn Taylor. Anthony Edwards owns this franchise. He's the owner. Everything start and stops with him. And the level that he's been able to rise to.

And I think, like, for me, obviously, like, the shot making is crazy. The two-way stuff is awesome. But it's what you say. Isaac, the leadership stuff, every press conference after these games where it's him and cat and like he's he's like shielding cat away from taking you know dumb questions or or taking certain questions and he's standing up for him he's in every every post game interview uh they're like you scored 45 and had 12 assists how did you do it and he's just like listen man my teammates are they're putting me in the right position like he hypes his teammates up in every single in every

opportunity that he gets and you know i don't i i never thought that that I would look at the Minnesota Tim Wolves and be like, no, like, they're, they're probably going to win the finals. Dude, yeah. Like, right, like, right now, today, I've, I've picked Boston this entire series, this entire season. If you are asking me today, who am I putting money on? I would say I'm putting money on the Minnesota Tim Wolves to win the finals.

See, and that's why they're my biggest surprise on this list. Exactly. Because here's the thing, we've been constantly proven wrong by this team, right? We constantly doubted them less than Minnesota Timbush. as well as fans have, but the whole world has. And this time, I don't even know if I feel bad about it because I didn't think they could beat the Nuggets. Obviously not, you know, maybe there's biases there. But I also just thought the Nuggets for the better team.

And I one hand feel like, okay, maybe I should have to give them more credit. We known all year they were built to beat this team. They have certain size of Vendis that was built to stop the Nuggets explicitly. But I still was like, whatever, the Nuggets or the Nuggets. So I feel bad about that. But also, their second and offensive remover percentage for the whole playoffs. in the regular season they were 21st there's first or tie for first now in offensive rating regular season they were 17th like they just took a clear humongous jump and i've gone to the point where they're just being a living shit out of everybody and i'm like could i have possibly predicted that like can anybody have seen this coming this is ridiculous leveling up yeah i think this is what i think this is like the peak version of what the bucks were trying to build for their and entire like run, you know, even like with their championship and without the championship where

they're like, we are going to build this whole thing on defense. It's going to be elite. We don't care if we're middle of the pack in the regular season because we know that playoff offense is a different thing. And we're going to make the shots whenever we need to. And that's how we're going to go. And like if you if you take the number one defense throughout the entire year and say, hey here's Michael Jordan on top of that number one defense yeah you're going to be number one on both ends of the other ball and like my favorite thing somebody said I mentioned I said that the 04 pistons because I'll say that first I think we're witnessing an 04 pistons level defense I think this is going to be a team that if they win the chip that that would be needed for them

to have that place in history we're going to look back at this being one the best defenses of all time in an era where it's as hard as ever to play defense and I said that on Twitter and someone said yeah but imagine the 04 pistons had de Wade he said yeah in that roster. I'm like, wow, that's the best way to put it. That's exactly what we're seeing in this small six game sample size. Bro, they like, wait, go ahead, Mo. No, I was going to be like, bro, that is ridiculous.

That is the best comparison that I've ever fucking all year. Because at this point, that makes you unfuck with it. Yeah. And can they keep up being the best offense in the league for the whole playoff run? I don't know. Maybe, listen, they played the sons who got bitched out of their spot, something that helps. But also they blitzkrag the freaking,

nuggets so at this rate it looks sustainable to some degree probably won't be they probably won't be number one but if they are they will walk to the finals if they can take this level of shot making and i think that okay so the the finals we can we can talk about the finals later let's just talk about this series right now because yo nicoly yokic is looking not great to put it lightly, Jamal Murray clearly looks hindered by, by that calf. Like, he just can't get any, any kind of explosion. He can't get to his spots and knock down shots that we, you know, thought that he can, that he normally makes.

He's normally a playoff riser, hasn't really had, like, a good stretch of those games throughout this playoff. And something that was kind of, like, under, maybe not, like, underblown, but, you know, Mike Malone kind of lost, like, he 100% lost his. cool. But I've seen Mike Malone like get thrown out of games before and you can kind of when Mike Malone gets thrown out of games, you can tell like, okay, it's kind of like strategic and like he just needs to like light a fire under under his team or he'll go and get a tag try to, you know, spark something emotionally. I genuinely thought that him running up onto

Mark Davis running onto the court yelling and the fact that he did not get a technical. That was as emotional and it felt like I was down bad as I've seen Mike Malone and the nuggets and it was only like a five point game at that point but it felt like the it felt like the nuggets had to work so hard to get those 17 points that everybody was just completely frustrated at that point and I don't know where where they go from here I think that they can get one game in Minnesota like I don't think they get swept but they have to win both but if Jamal Murray's not play off Jamal Murray then you're cooked Yeah. Obviously, Jamal Murray, the biggest issue with them all playoffs and why they struggled against the Lakers or struggled until they hit those game winners and made it closer than it felt like it should be. Obviously, the first quarter stuff, right? We talked about it. They don't, they come out with terrible energy, got out into a big deficit and not to claw the way out of it. A lot harder to claw your way out of a deficit against the best defense in the fucking world than it is against the Lakers. And Jamal Murray just, whether it's a hamstring, whether it's the ridiculous defenders across the court from him, he has been playing at a star level.

And neither is Yokic. Well, let me say it. He's playing at a start level, but. Not to his standards. Sure, exactly. The Timberwolds are having a much easier job of stopping him, but specifically his playmaking, right? Their length is obviously good to stop him.

Those lobs, a lot harder to throw over Rudy Gaubert. Those cuts a lot harder to make when Jay McDaniels is stopping from cutting. All this stuff is making it so... Nicole Yokic can't elevate his teammates as much as he usually does. He's going to have to beat them as a score, which isn't what he wants to do. That's against his entire basketball philosophy. He wants to create for others, get everybody open and do all this stuff. And the reason we view the Nuggets as so great isn't because they have like a Celtics level of talent and super team type shit where they have six guys that can't create a shot and all this.

That's not the Nuggets. They're so great because they have guys who fill a role and Yokic single-handedly elevates those guys and puts them in the perfect position for them to use their specific skill sets. If he can't do that, if you're going to see a team like Timber Bulls be able to shut off all these passing lanes, Aaron Gordon is going to be standing in the corner, brick and shots. KCP's going to be running around doing cardio not being able to get open. MPJ, not able to get open. All these guys rely on Yokic to set them up and elevate them, except for Chmall Murray, who isn't playing great.

So without that, these sudden first thing we call them as a like perfect pieces that fit around him, they look a lot less perfect when Yokic can't elevate them because the Timberwolves are stopping you. Yeah, I think the thing about Nicole Yokic, the type of talent that he has is only a talent that we've only seen seven players come across the league which is the ability to control the flow of the game and he hasn't had that at all because the Minnesota Timble of course like the link held Regal Bear fucking helps as well but also just like hustling their ass off and maximizing all the things that they do and sniff sniffing out screens getting around screens and taking away like you said, Isaac, the thing that Yopace loves to do, it hurts.

But it also hurts when you don't have the necessary bench death. Now, this team hasn't been a team to go ahead and have insane firepower or whatever, but it's pretty clear. Like, they're missing just at least a guy. You know, last year, they faced the Minnesota terminals. They got, I believe, gentlemen swept. But the tumor, yeah, the terminals got a bit gentleman swept. And that's when Bruce Brown was on the squad.

And he was giving you, like, I saw it 11 points. Uncle Jeffrey was controlling even like the solid four or five points a game or whatever but things like that matter because it helps relieve tension and pressure and shit like that and they just don't have those guys coming off bed when you add that alongside like the Jamal Murray thing

we already know that's a big issue you're I don't know so you're asking yourself to be cooked which you're teetering a line very clearly yeah yeah there's an immense amount of pressure this roster is built with an immense amount of pressure on Nicole Yokic, which he can usually handle. That's normal, that's his game. He's the best at that in the world.

That's why he's the best player in the world. Harder to handle that pressure when you have the team tailor made to stop you defensively with the perfect talent playing at the perfectly high level. To the point where it, it makes it feel like he has no help,

even though he has the perfect team around him. It's just a team that needs him to elevate them, as I've said. But it's interesting that this is a team that relies on interior passing, and I think we've kind of overlooked that that the Timberwolves

are so much better at stopping that than they are like exterior passing dropping kick into shooters interesting how that's going to fare against the Celtics

who are the opposite yeah listen man it's time it's time for Yokas to give that brother 47 you know

I it really it really is that that time because you again like you see what Anthony Edwards is able to do on the opposite side

and he goes in in game one and he drops 43 and you're able to you're able to elevate like everybody else and I think for Yokic so like one of the like the decisions that people make is like you know make him a score like like focus on everybody else we've seen Yokic win tasked with like hey we actually do need you to go out and get 35 tonight he's able to do that but like you said it goes kind of against what he's naturally able what he naturally wants to do.

I do think that in game three, especially with Rudy Gaubert being back, because there's something about Yokic versus Gobert where he likes that matchup, you know? He likes playing one-on-one against Gobert. I think you will see a more aggressive Yokic in game three. See, the thing is, we've seen him do that before a scoring

against the Phoenix Suns and DeAndre Aiton guarding him in single coverage. The game you're referencing we had 40, they refused to throw doubles and just left DeAndre Aden to die one-on-one in the post. Some rules are not doing that. They have Riddique-Lead Towns down there, which is a lot harder to just go out there

and score 40 when you want. So it's a little bit different. I mean, obviously, it's going to be harder than, you know, going up against, you know, dominating. But, oh, my God. But he is, he is the best player in the world. Like, there is a level of respect that we have for Yokitin, his scoring, and his ability to where, you know,

the best players in the world always have at least one of those kinds of games and elite players throughout history they've been swept before but it's always shocking whenever they do i'd still be shocked if the nuggets got swept i'd be shocked if yokech didn't go out um at least dropping so at least having one game offensively where he goes crazy because the defense listen the defense is not looking it's not looking oh yeah i was about to say that it is not looking not looking good this is this version of yokech's defense is what everybody thinks he's been doing for the last couple years yes yeah and i was gonna say that yeah like he's he had elevated to a level where he was a solid team defender he was that he was good right he was okay doing what

he was tasked to do they he's been food these first two games not just first few games all six games the playoffs true his energy has been awful and it looks okay so it's getting a little more less concrete less tangible thing his energy and wantingness does not look the same

it looks like he's comfortable like he's just like whatever I'm gonna go home which you know people always say that Sky likes his horses

too much all this bullshit like you said with the defense this run is like exactly what the hitters have painted him as forever

he's playing up to that reputation because his tenacity on defense is non-de-sistent his no energy there whatsoever he looks like

he is not trying defensively, which probably because his life is hard as fuck offensively and he's just tired so he doesn't have the energy to go hard on both ends right now. He has to flip the switch, do whatever mama mentality bullshit he has to do, look at Anthony Edwards across from you and be like,

oh, I got to try as hard as that guy. Because both sides of the ball, his tenacity hasn't been there. He hasn't been aggressive as a score. Come out in the first quarters, let his team go down to big lot leads because he's not said the tone of tenacity. Defensively, it's not existent. He just has to be better for the standards of being the best player in the world.

The fact that, like, he can be in the paint, and I couldn't tell the difference between whether it's, like, him or you in the middle of the court, Isaac, is, like, sorry, because he just gives no effort whatsoever. Like, there's been so many plays that you can pick out of the last two games, like I said, really threw out the entire new playoffs to where he just, like, barely moving his arms, just, like, looking, watching what's happening rather than, like, like, looking, watching what's happening, rather than, like, you know, being a real, I would say, like, hate protector that he is and just, like, take up space. There's no space that he's been taking up whatsoever, just watching, you know?

And you have to pick a struggle, and it seems like they are being too greedy, and they want to struggle and everything right now. Yeah, and I don't even know if it's explicitly not trying, because, like, he wants to win. But I think he's just getting his tea kicked in so hard that it's just like the adversity, it's, Just getting to him, right? Like he's showing offensively in certain ways that the frustration is building up, like Donovan said, Mike Malone, and it's showing itself defensively where he's frustrated and just kind of like, ugh, does his hands up, gives up on a play. Too much of that.

And people have said, this is his first real sign of adversity in the past couple of years since they've been contenders like this. How will they respond? I don't know, because this is the most adversity they could possibly face. Meant on 2O, losing entire home court advantage against a team that has shown zero weaknesses against them. It looks, they look cooked. So he has to really rise to the occasion and show,

that he can be the best player in the world be this all-time player we think he can be in the face of adversity listen three-time MVP let me see it let me see it tonight I'm ready to see it yeah and obviously this there's been so many hot takes for people have been praying on his downfall because they're tired of watching this white this tubby man fucking destroy the league yeah we're just waiting for him to downfall because all the nerds level and people were tired of hearing about how great he is so

people are relishing in it which you can't right you're gonna pray you're gonna enjoy the downfall of a superstar that comes to the territory but people are definitely going to be quick to if they go out sad use this as an excuse to be like see I told you they were never like that all they could beat is playing teams they were never never that good

joll and he's always been better and all this bullshit so it's on him to avoid this conversation it's entirely on him to avoid those conversations every superstar go through these moments throughout their entirety sometimes at their peak or whatever like LeBron's gone through it

Jordan just happened to go through it like earliest career Kobe's been through it throughout his entire day his career like it just fucking happens and maybe this is just his moment but you know like to those NBA fans do that

shout out he's still like a top 15 NBA player like of all time point blank period that still does things that doesn't make sense yeah this is just his time comes in the territory right everybody clowns in Joellen B everyone's clowning on decent Tate in which I guess

you can transition to shortly you're that good you go outside you're gonna get clown is what it is yeah the conversations will come and go as they always do but it's his time to get laughed at it if they lose really bad I love that you mentioned Jason Tatum man

because he has been on my list in terms of the most surprising you surprisingly historically ass not historically ass before we get to that we have two playoffs together before we get to that let's do producer corner oh I forget about that

let's let's get it how could I forget all right producer Nikil what do you got for us today yo what's up y'all good morning good morning good morning you're tired as hell

I'm fine listen you're projecting your own tiredness onto me I'm good I woke up 7 a.m. ready to go all right came into the call cracking the most jokes I was gonna say you said you wake up 7 am we started recording at 7 a.m.

so let you guys know he woke up 10 minutes before we started and that's very real of me all right I know the viewers relate to that but listen I don't know if you guys know this y'all run a pretty big basketball podcast. I don't know if you guys are aware. A little bit.

In terms of like, you know, civilian podcasts, like non-players for people that can't hoop at all. It's absolutely garbage. Y'all run a pretty big. You all right. Get to the point. Y'all run a pretty big podcast. And so you guys don't get to flex this often and we'll start off kind of slow. Let's actually talk some hoop knowledge, all right?

I want y'all to teach me and the viewers some concepts. so I'm going to ask each of you about. Okay, JJ Reddick? Yeah. So I kind of, I don't think you guys get to flex this muscle a lot. And so we can start off kind of slow. So hopefully y'all don't embarrass yourselves. But, yeah.

So who wants to go first? Oh, you're quizzing us? Yeah. Sure. I'll go first. First thing I'll say is that the three of us are better than nobody. The only difference between me and you watching right now is that I have a camera in a mic in my face.

Don't let him preface this. He should I get ahead of it. No, I'm just saying like just because we have a platform, just because we make jokes about basketball. That's literally. Don't come from me when I don't know what it's always. It's just basketball at the end of the day. It's just basketball.

I'm going to start off easy. We can ramp this up as you all answer more questions. No, give me your artist question. Fuck that. No, no, I mean. He's trying my life. He's trying my gayser right now. Give me the artist question.

No, not even that. I'm saying this week is the driver. It's only one question. You ready for it? Oh, very simple. Mo, explain to me what a two-for-one is. That's it? Yeah.

So usually there's like 24 seconds in the shot clock. Not usually. There is. That's what they start off with. And a two-for-one is when you quite literally try to get an extra bucket before, an extra possession before the clock runs out. So say there's like 33 seconds left on this entire game. clock your 24 seconds have already started and by i don't know like second 33 or whatever or 30

someone decides to take up a random three or just get the ball off quick so by then they'll let the next team or the other team will have like 24 seconds left on the clock and by the time their entirety of the clock runs out the team who forced to fish out will have an extra possession and they'll just like get an advantage of it but that's a very controversial thought process in the NBA I was listening to what's it called the mind the game podcast or whatever and I was like yeah like I don't know how I do to do this because a lot of the times you shoot yourself because you boys throwing up dumb ass shit or whatever so it's controversial but math is mapping how do uh how do you feel about it I wouldn't force it I would never

I'm never the type of force shit so it's like I don't think it's worth shooting yourself I love that, and, like, destroying the entirety of your offense. It's not my vibe, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's not a force. Some people force, some don't. I don't. Simply not for me.

All right. I love that. Listen, again, softball, but you got it right, so that's good. Isaac. Yes. Explain to me what a box and one defense is and how you would beat it. It's a zone defense where four guys are playing a zone. One in the corner, one in the corner, one top, one top, one top, like the wings, to form a box.

and then one guy that's defending a singular star one-on-one we saw the Raptors do it against Curry where they were like listen Curry is going to give us buckets nobody else on the court with him can do shit so Nick Nurse was like

you guys play a zone and kind of just guard your areas try to limit their penetration and then Fred Van Fleet we're going to put your annoying ass on Steph Curry to just guard him no matter what so it's like a hybrid between a man

and his own defense and so how would a star player beat that I don't remember I don't see very often in NBA I don't know what the, there's like certain zone beaters. I know if it's like a two, three thrown into the post of like that. I'm not sure what the go-to beater is for a boxing one. I know most of the own defenses are there's certain areas if you cause penetration.

I guess what you'd have to do is the star has to get by his man-create penetration. And if he can do that, you're forcing them to be in a five-on-four. So you're going to be able to get open threes if they're all spaced properly on the wings in the corner. So I don't know if they were, what were they doing? Were they going to picking rolls often or were they just letting Curry ISO and hit the threes? I can't I can't remember I feel like that was I feel like that was very I know I feel like it was very heavy like curry ISO game yeah and most of it don't run boxing ones so it's not something I see often to remember like oh they do this so I don't even know what the go two

beater is but it was like it was like step Curry Patrick McCall demarkis cousins they're like yeah we can run this yeah because when Katie and Clay Thompson were both out yeah yeah listen everything you just described like the positioning on the floor and all that I'm ready to give you the job over Darwin Ham I would be an awful head coach you just did more exos than I've ever seen him doing those media timeouts

yeah yeah I think of more I guess you the guide to most zones is to cause penetration and kick out the shooters that's typically going to be weaknesses I guess the boxing one is even more the case and there's less people out in the zone yeah I don't know so when you step on a court

are you just are you breaking down these rec league defenses you go to 24 hours you're just like well there's a weakness there and they're doubling this guy imagine thinking there's any sort of organization at a 21 24 hour fitness gym defense oh my game is out there running they're just out there running

my game is entirely mental bro I'm being you with my mind there's nothing to analyze that 24 hour fitness they're out there running doing cardio you got a counten's running around calling calling nothing out on defense it's just mayhem it's so pissed

listen I don't understand why kids these days don't call screens but that's for another producer corner don you ready what's up yeah explain to me what a dribble handoff is and why it's so effective um a dribble handoff is basically just like two guys you're just sitting like a scream but instead of like you just like turn around just like hand the ball off you know what I'm saying to somebody and it's it's affecting the name yeah it's I mean it's effective because you're you're basically screening the guy as you're giving him the ball. And so and so like the player who's receiving the ball, he has a freedom of movement and he can really go wherever he wants where it's different if you're like controlling the basketball. So if

the if the past isn't if the past isn't there, then the player holding the player doing the handoff, he could keep the ball for himself and either make a play. on a drive or a jump shot depending on how they're guarding him or he could throw the ball somewhere else but that that concept it causes a pick and roll without forcing the ball there

and so you force the defense to just make a whole bunch of different decisions on like do you want to guard the ball handler do you want to guard the guy setting the screen how you're doing stuff on you know behind them so it just it forces a lot of chaos I feel like we're taking the fucking SAT

I know exactly it's also effective because the guy setting the handoff he can be a non-shooter and the big man has to come up and defend him because if he doesn't whenever he does a handoff and screens the perimeter player he'll have an open three so it kind of is a way to use a non-spacer as a spacer because the big man can't sit back you just describe draymond greens 30% of his career yeah that's that's the that's the exact way I was going to use like picture picture step and draymond and draymond faking the pass to to to step and then immediately turning turn it around driving to the basket getting a dunk so like

Like even if you aren't a shooter, that's a way that you can be effective on that play. Yeah. And if that big man can pass, he can throw the ball to cutters too if he doesn't do the handoff. That's really, that's why Jeremy on Green so OP at that. That's a bonus. Listen, y'all passed a level one of ball knowledge you. Let's go. Ball knowledge you.

Whoa. This is going to be harder next time? In the mail or what? Yeah. Yeah, I had to test you guys out. Like, listen, if y'all couldn't talk, if Mo couldn't answer what a two-for-one was, like, You gave him such a softball You gave him the babyest one of the wall

This clip might have been shut down You got some fraud watch It's crazy Hell yeah It's like cut the tape Cut the tape All right A lovely producer corner

Hell yeah Let's get back to the show Alright man Tell me about these motherfucking Boston Celtics And tell me about Jason Tatum Is he a fraud or not oh man

so when they lost against the Cleveland Cavaliers last night first thing that he said when he went on went on to that press conference stage was like I don't know why everyone if they were a super seat

won't go to MVP's we got two all stars you know and he was just like very much he it's obviously he sees the Twitter talk years of narrative people talk about him as if he's the most

which he is like blessed are in the way week in terms of situation, having by far and away the best front office as well. And to see Jason Taney, I hate sometimes the way we talk about him, because it's partly like my fault because I just, I don't know why what time I've been dated that, when did I have against him. I just like, I just don't, I just see what he is as a player. And I'm just waiting for him to ascend to you can't fuck with me territory.

He just hasn't been that. throw the entirety of the playoffs you know i think he's shooting like what 40 41% from the field around 30% is over on 3-4 lines this hasn't been hasn't reached those data as all those dangers at all but the depth behind him has been saving his ass derrick white turning into fucking one of the best shooters in the entire NBA his his shooting leap is also needs to be studied and also jalen brown doing jillen brown things cool whatever like he's able to escape No other superstar is able to skate around playing how poorly he does, but him. Y'all, today's date is May 10th.

He hasn't scored 30 points since March. Yeah, that's crazy. March 28th. Yeah, that's crazy. Okay. Okay. There's a lot of things to go off of with the subject's loss last night. I think the first thing is like,

this literally happened last series right they they had a very convincing win in game one they come in game two at home the other team goes crazy from three the uh the cab shot 46% from three last night and the third quarter where the game really blew open the Celtics were oafrate from from three in the third quarter and you saw the cabs go on a run that's really where everything broke apart and so the the main like thread that we've talked about this entire playoffs is that for on a game to game basis if one team is making threes and another team is not the team that is making threes is probably going to win like 96% of the time so like three point variance is a very big thing that's that's one

and so and with the way that the subtics play because they are very three point heavy you're going to get games like this where they just can't make shots but over the long run it's probably going to be okay. Yeah. I'm with you. This is my third surprise in our list. So we're at number three now. I have been, I've been, what's the word here? I've been giving Jason Tatum's ass excuses all year. I've been pushing back against the hate to call him all these over type of overrated and coddled and all this shit. So listen, the team's just really good. They don't need an average 30 like he did before. It's fine. And that was fine in the regular season when he was playing great, still being very efficient, doing his normal Jason Tatum things.

I'm like you with Mo, I am surprised by how ASC he's been in the playoffs so far. He straight up does not look good. He looks uncomfortable. He looks not to the same level defensively either, I don't think. Which maybe that one is more debatable. But offensively, it's very clear. He is not scoring efficiently to a point that's surprising me

because for all the points I made in the past how he doesn't need to be a volume score anymore with how much talent they have, that also should make it easier for him to be efficient because he's asked to do less, take less shots. And he's a brick right now. His three-point shooting doesn't look comfortable, getting to the rim doesn't look comfortable

isn't passing great I don't know what's up with him if it's a role thing if it's just a slump maybe the lack of touches compared to the previous years and the fact he doesn't have to do as much makes him out of a rhythm

I don't know he's not playing good enough and I've seen people to all have to hyperbole the past few days but one thing I saw is if you put any other top 15 player in the league on this team instead of him they wouldn't change

they'd still be amazing I think that's true like if Jalen Brunson was there they wouldn't get worse that's that's fair i i think it's a role thing for him because i i i do uh and i don't i don't know what it is i feel like i'm the opposite of mo where like mo has this you know weird like agenda like against jason tatum he hates him yeah and like he's a cool guy i thought what do you mean you he's a father you yeah you say that but like you don't really like

jason tatum like that i i i want i like jason tatum and i want him to be one of the elite, elite guys. And I hate the Celtics, but I kind of do root for Jason Tatum. I got this tweet pulled up. Okay, so Celtics fans are blaming on an ankle injury. He landed on Bam's ankle, and since then, he's been 5 for 14 from the field, four for nine, seven for 19, seven for 17. I think, I think that's totally twist both of his ankles

in a singular game during the Phoenix Sun series. Like that, I hear that, I see that, everyone's going to be it during the playoffs. This tweet's hilarious. Jason Tenon before he landed on Bam. 7 for 18 10 for 20 6 for 16 5 for 14 They said once a bum all of a bump I don't think he's unhealthy But you never you know a lot of people are dealing with things

So it could be that Jamal Murray's hampered by injury Lupi Donch's hampered by injury you never know It is it is it is what is I mean because like if you see the way that they're that they're guarding him Like they are teams are forcing Jason Tatum to be more of a playmaker and so like he is There is a certain level to his game right now where he is just taking what the defense is giving him I think having to switch back and forth between, all right, I'm just going to be passive. Like, you know, there's a like I'm getting doubled here.

There's a wall here. Let me make the right play because I know that like I'm Derek White as my second release valve. I have Christopheppes before Zingis. That's my third release foul. Like I'm okay. I don't have to force it. But it's that coupled with whenever he does turn it on, Jason Tatum's version of being on means that he's taking the hardest shots in the league.

I don't think that there's a star in the league whose consistent diet of shot attempts come from like a harder shot type. Yeah. Like he's taking, he's taking all types of step back. He's taking all types of turn around faders in the mid-range. I feel like his drives, he doesn't get many easy drives. At least, you know, like last night in particular,

I was watching. He took like 17 shots. I feel like four of them were easy shots of just I can, I have like a clear path or I made a quick move and this is what I want to do. I think I think his shot diet, which has always been a big topic with him, that on top of the fact that he's trying to figure out like exactly how to change his game and really be the best of both worlds. Because if he could be a passer and this like elite score,

he would be a top, you know, five player or whatever. That's kind of the battle that he's going through and this is not working out. Yeah. And guys, the team's playing great still. So like we said, in a day, they don't need him to do a whole lot. Needing to do more than yesterday. Dad's for damn sure.

The team lost. They lost to the Cleveland Cavaliers in game two. Like you said, Donovan, the same thing that happening. Round one, they lost one game to the Miami Heat who they had no business losing to. Not quite that level. This is a better team, right? We're in the second round.

They're here for a reason at the end of the day. Donovan Mitchell was been the best player in the series. by a clear margin. He's been incredible. Everything he was hyped up to be. I saw the team pulled up over the last six games. Donovan Mitchell is currently averaging

some pretty stupendous numbers. 37.8 points per game, 6.5 rebounds per game, 5.5 assists, 51% from the field, 40% from 3. He's been vintage D. Mitch that we've known and loved

in the playoffs before. And yeah. That showed out, right? Evan Mowley played well yesterday. I was like, whoa, finally. This is what we've been looking for. He had 21 points,

I think over 10 rebounds. asserted himself offensively killed him at the rim at times something that has been the biggest struggle of his defensively he's been fine but his lack of assertiveness under the rim has been a big issue he played like he heard the Derek Faber's talk

he heard played like he heard the Kenneth Feree talk that Moe was talking about and he showed out he was trying very hard played with you know like assertiveness and it showed it made a big difference yeah yeah I mean

I believe was his playoff career Donovan, you're like, man, I think you said on some stream that we do one days, sometimes Tuesday, around 8 p.m. Or technically speaking, it's like 5 p.m. at late. But anyways, yeah, no, he's been a real difference maker defensively. And I think through this series, the cats are probably going to know what needs to happen between the Jared Allen and Evan Mowley thing. But something that, like, it's just so funny to me. seeing how drew a holiday is playing and he's just able to escape by it just got an extension he's going to get paid like i don't know like 135 over the next four years and he put up just

like four points like two rebounds two assists and he just goes home he has one of the best jobs in the NBA you have an elite reputation you're going to talk about how a league you are on one side of the head on one side of the court and then that's it talk about all underrated you are and all this other shit. But he's also like a legitimate issue. And it's big. He's been an issue throughout the entirety of his like career in the playoffs. He just does have those expectations yet.

Or he's never had those expectations at all. I believe since like the year 2020 or 2021 or whatever, uh, in the regular season on average, he has like a 59% true shooting percentage and in the playoffs routinely it drops off over 10%. You do me like, I think it's on average like 47%. Trisie. Just disgusting. Yeah.

Shout Tristan Thompson for getting minutes in a playoff series and playing well and being needed because Evan Moby was in foul trouble. In Toronto, they went out the game

and they did some weird shit with George Nyang is basically being in the center and was like, ugh, what the hell? Then they put Tristan Thompson in the game. Energy shifted.

Yeah. You're absolutely right. She was so insane of that 2016, the vintage Clay Thompson. We're just like being a bastard and ripping rebounds out of people's

goddamn arms and shit. Of course. It's all my fever. Yeah. I'm glad, Isaac, I'm glad you brought up DeMits because he was on, he was on my list. Because I think coming into the playoffs, and maybe it wasn't as much of a, like, surprise. But one of the things that I was, like, curious to see is it's been a couple years since we had seen playoff Donovan Mitchell. And we had branded him, like we had given him this idea of, okay, he's a playoff.

Riser, who've done all these things, but he had had a couple bumps. And for all the talk about, like, what direction Cleveland is going to go in the offseason, all to talk about, like, is Donovan Mitchell even invested in the Cleveland Cavaliers right now? He's shown throughout these playoffs that, one, not only is he invested in the Cavs, two, he is who we think he is. And, like, his ability, like, he's had so many games already this, this, this, postseason where he is able to just knock down shots, go on these crazy heaters, and win games by himself. And I think that, like, for anybody looking around, like, if it, if,

if they end up getting beaten five and he's like, you know what, F this. Like, I can't, I can't take this. Then yeah. Like, any team would be happy to have Donovan Mitchell because, because the ceiling is crazy. Yeah, I saw some stupid tweet where a Lakers fan was like, how do you guys watch Timberwolves versus Nuggets and say the way to make this team good is by getting Tray Young or Donovan Mitchell and I'm like First of all NBA fans are so Like it has to be replicating what the newest Greatest thing working is

There's only one way to win a championship right You gotta replicate what's happening right now So that part's ridiculous you don't have to be gigantic in that way But like Donovan Mitchell was thrown into that tweet If you just had Trey Young I would understand If you threw Donovan Mitchell in there If the Lakers got Donovan Mitchell next to LeBron AD

They'd be berserk That'd be incredible like people are really taking it for granted Like he's just some other star guard to some other small guard like Trey young he is truly a superstar he is incredible a hundred percent he's absolutely yeah we're talking about jana benson like is he like a you know a top 15 guy a top top 10 guy donovan mitchell is firmly in those conversations and i if you put donovan mitchell anywhere outside of the top 15 you are wrong that you are you are wrong and he is listen i think that i think that right now anthie edwards is the best shooting guard

in the league between donovan mitchell and devon booker you you can have an argument and if you say donovan mitchell is the second best shooting guard in the league i won't be i won't be upset i won't call you crazy if that's how you feel no they're all super close he's playing at that level he's for sure yeah yeah i have 10% agree okay we are four surprises in now let's talk about the last playoff series before we see there's any surprises there lucca donchitch and the dallas mavericks evened up the series against the Oklahoma City Thunder winning last night

tied the series at 1-1 interesting a couple of games right we knew this would be a very tough series in the stream preview

I said that I don't need for a comfortable a game of a prediction because I think it's going 7 and I have no fucking clue who wins

because I don't think either team has a huge advantage of each other stylistically it'll just come down who executes more right so it's just one of those

series of great teams make or miss league whoever makes more shots makes less mistakes they'll win the series in the day Kind of what we've seen in the first few games But I don't know

Game one was a blowout The Thunder beat the fuck out of them In the ways I typically would But the Thunder also had 13 more rebounds Than the Mavs So the Thunder's biggest weakness It's obviously rebounding If you're not gonna beat them on that end

And they're gonna be able to flood you with threes Flood you with interior defense Shea free throws You'll get flooded and that's what happened As well as they were shooting poorly Something in all yeah Also like the biggest image It was Luca being

Not 100% himself during the first game And shoot you like how we shot That's all for me. that he's still not a hundred percent yeah game two game two though he shot a lot better look he produced more like regular luka as well as they able to even at the rebounding so that wasn't advantage for the thunder and we saw a turnaround absolutely you're 100% right about yeah also PJ Washington with seven for 11 from three like if every time like he started off the game very very uh like on fire every time that the thunder were making a run back

The Mavs would get it, they would get into a set. The ball will find PJ Washington in the corner to knock down a wide open three. And he would hit it every single time and just keep the lead at bay. Just keep the, just keep the thunder like at arm's length. And the same thing, the same thing kind of happened in game one where it was kind of close. And then in the second half, the thunder turned up in the, with their three-point shooting, which has been a strength of there. So like you could say that they got back to what they do.

And they blew the game open in the second half. it's the same it's the same thing here and once again three point variance is going to swing a lot of games and if you can keep and like you'll live with it if PJ Washington beat you fine like I guess we were meant to lose but like you have to keep people from getting off these threes like the last five games that was mavericks I've shot these are their two four percentages for the last five games

33% 35% 33% 34% and then last night 48.6%. Yeah, that's fine. Dude, they started the first quarter shooting like 7 for 11 from 3 or something like 7 for 10 or something created like that. Luca Dodgers came out with the first few minutes of the game was that absolute demon.

He had four threes. And the rest of the game, he just hit one more, which is fine or whatever. But yeah, that 3-point variance is hitting. And Kyrie Irving wasn't even spectacular. And I guess he didn't need to be if PJ Washington's

going to roll out of it and hit 7-3s. Lucas has got to look closer to, you know, the normal version of himself and Tim Hardaway, Jr. as well, who just like resurrected out of nowhere and was like, he added the exact type of value that you need to just like shoot the fucking ball when it's in your hands and make that shit and more than you don't. Tim Hardway's been awful, awful for most of the playoffs. Before this past game, fun of the tweet about it, he was averaging nine points per game on 35% from the field and 30% from three since February. He's been terrible. And last time in the third quarter, the Thunder came back and had a two-point game. And then this motherfucker scored 10 straight points. He blew the lead open and then Thunder never recovered. Like he was a difference maker. We talk a lot about certain playoff games. A lot of series are defined by like certain role players having big games. Famously, there was the Grant Williams game when the Celtics beat the bucks a few years ago. This was a PJ Washington and Tim Hardaway Jr. game. It happens. And that's what you got to do when you're a team trying to contend against another elite team. You need certain guys to come up big. So if I'm a Thunder, fan and I'm if I came into the series thinking they're going to win I still feel decent about it right everything we're saying is a one-off thing that mavs were able to do in this game could they do it again absolutely could they do it three times absolutely but the thunder there's no reason to be worried that thunder are cooked right it's not like oh I told you these young boys don't have a chance

like things can still be fine for both sides too too early to tell anything really yeah and even like with all the struggles or not even the struggles with all like the high level shooting that Dallas had last night, even in the third quarter, there was still a chance for OKC to go and get this game, right? Even going into the fourth quarter, there were still chances for them to make their run. And they did make certain runs. But then all of a sudden, you look up, PJ Washington, open in the corner, knocks down to three. And when you get into the playoffs and you get into second halves, you know, the difference between like these five point swings where you'll go down and you'll miss a layup and it's a four point game and then on the other side

some so you know you get a breakdown three happens and now instead of it being a two point game it's a seven point game that's that's massive and that's kind of like that might be the difference in the game a lot of times yeah another thing that we've talked about at length all year Josh motherfucking giddy is the one sitting in a playoff setting as expected he played 10 minutes was a minus 17 in those 10 minutes I think maybe was worse let me check again he was atrocious in a way that we all predicted all season and it came to fruition as expected game one that also happened he only played 11 minutes air wiggins paid pretty good they got some guys coming out the bench jane willis has some big threes and they were able to like you know make

those minutes count and this game not so much uh not a lot of positivity off the bench case and wallis played well he had a couple threes so did isaiah joe per usual but gordon hayward keeps getting minutes to do cardio and just show off his haircut i guess He's just out there running around, being a dad, getting paid to do absolutely nothing. We all thought it would be a cool addition. We thought it would give him size, Josh getting insurance. The motherfucker's cooked. Beyond repair, washed, squeaky clean.

He is impossible to play. He is absolutely worth us out there right now. He was supposed to be a spare tire. The spare tire, Jake is hell. They went ahead and got a used tire that was fucking bogus, man. Not even a huge. That's a hot wheel tire. You got a little thing around a piece of plastic.

It's a hot wheel tire. Yeah, like, I'm so happy that you mentioned Doc Giddy, because I don't even think he played that much. This game, I think he only played, he didn't play more than 20 minutes for sure. We'll play only 10 minutes in this game. Great. Minutes 20. Um, those 10 minutes that he played lost in the fucking game. Those 46 seconds additional to those 10 minutes lost them the fucking game to the point to where he didn't even start the second half at all.

I think, uh, Mark Dangal went with a prior member correctly, Aaron Wiggins, who's, an absolute dog on the dog in all ends of the court as well. And it's so interesting because throughout the series, like these numbers are just so hilarious. He has, Josh Giddy has a offensive rating of 79 points and a defensive rating of 169. That is disgusting. Freaky and also disgusting, bro.

So individual offense raises. So that means they're minus 21 with him on the court overall. That means they're scoring 21 less points or 100 possessions than they are. giving up when he's off the court they're plus 40 plus 40 that is he's unplayable he's a he's a he's unplayable we know we know Josh giddy your time in the okayc is limited right they have two first round picks this year they have four first round picks next year I don't know if they will draft players I don't know if they will trade those picks but your replacement is on the way right You just, they have, they have two moves to make.

You have to go get the Josh Giddy replacement and they, they have guys on their squad right now that could, they can very much, you know, fill that role depending on how the team fills out later down the line. So you have that. Or you can go and package your stuff up to go get a legitimate two-way wing, right, who could do something, see what happens with, you know, some of these free agents. See if some of these free agents want to want to come to, okay. but nah, he's done. He's done. And again, and getting back to the macro sense

of the series, Luca might keep peeing up. Kyrie might be better. And the Mavericks, PJ Washington's not going to be this good, but they have firepower. There's a reason they're so good. They can continue to do this stuff.

So very much a good chance of Mavericks win the series still. But if you're a Thunder fan, listen, Shett had a better game in game one. J-dub has been a little bit up and down. He started the first game slow, but he's been pretty good consistently. He had 20 in this game.

Not a huge volume score so far, but he's scoring well. those bench guys are going to play better in game two they can continue to do what they did in game one we'll see what the rebounding battles like that'll be a big tell because that was a big difference in game one and two and we know the mabs are going to continue

I mean the thunder continue to get the threes up shay's going to be efficient going to get to the free throw line do all this stuff they normally hold her hat on I feel good about it for both sides right now if you're a fan you can convince yourself you're winning the series either way so far absolutely I think we were talking about

it on a VR show or something like that and when talking about this series we were just like playing our teeth and nails because it was just like you have to find the advantages and I think okay see roster wise

the advantages lean their way but for the Dallas Mavericks the only advantage that you have it's like look a fucking dodges and it wipes away any equation that you try or arguments can bring it up for the Dallas and Mavericks

and if he can look like what he did last night of course he's laboring at knee and that's like a serious concern for him but if you can like play maintain relative to that level alongside is getting a 3 3s from Josh green like we'll take it Dante X I'm giving you a 3 or whatever fucking take it Tim Hardway Jr. do something other than like stand we'll take you know um so he is

like the big old likes factor for me if he can look like what he's like then I might lead his way but overall I still feel better about O KC yeah I lean O KC and 7 because Luke is 100% but I don't forget about it I don't know I made a joke tweet that I said I tweeted that I don't feel good by either way then I heard

the Thunder 1 I jokingly said fuck it Thunder and 5 gentlemen sweep on the way somebody pissed off mass fans

or my response I'm like this is so clearly a joke you motherfucker is like what are we talking about

yeah every game should go ahead and tweet whoever wins our fucking X team and

X team and 5 X team and 7 or whatever but I think that's all the series I'll talk about all of our surprises

for each series anything else no fuck that let's get straight to the point TikTok time or time

Woo! Welcome back to TikTok time per usual we are starting with the draft this time a little bit different we're not drafting the lineup we're not building a player we are just picking

the funniest NBA players of all time so it can be present day you know past guys they're doing media past guys that just played has some funny moments whatever may be we're all going to pick five hilarious NBA players let's go let's go

These unsurious drafts are very needed. Bread and butter right here. Exactly. You can go with all different types of strategies right now. Right. There's no telling me who the fuckers right or wrong. I know. I don't got a strategy.

I got a list of funny motherfuckers. I'll pick whoever I can. But I got them in order, so I have some preferences here. So it should be good. So the order is me, Donovan, then Isaac. Yep. Come in the back hand. I'm a double up.

Say less. Who are we going? on first mode who is the funniest NBA player of all time it's the goat lebron james whether whether it be him lying reading the first page of every single goddamn book struggling to remember and recite lyrics he is the greatest funniest player of all time draw in bart simpson the funny moments never end exactly he got a catalog of memes but worthy pick at the top of the draft i respect it okay okay i like that Listen, give me, give me a shacting a full legend, right?

At my, at my five, give me Javelle McGee. That's comedy. That's comedy. That's on the core funny. Exactly. I love that. I love that for you. What I love for me is, y'all the funniest duo of all time fall to me. Give me Shaq and Chuck.

I don't know how I got both these guys. See, I was hoping that Chuck was going to fall back my way. That's okay. That's fine. See, that's good thing. would never fall out of my pick. Charles Barkley's the funniest man alive. All you got to do, type into YouTube,

Charles Barkley, Churros. Yeah, that's T&T, Charles Barkley, though. He ain't a player no more. Oh, players, Charles Barkley is probably hilarious. If he was mic'd up back then, you heard a lot of expeditions. Twitter was around back then. There'd have been some words

for Vernon Maxwell and shit. That is true. Right. Where should I go? You know what? Give me, give me a guy who actually does comedy right who's tried stand-up

give me Blake Griffin tried is the key word here Blake's the best at trying to be funny but is the funniest he's had a couple of jokes yeah he's had a couple jokes

not go away you can't even another NBA player like that who's actually attempted it and is somewhat successful I like that pick

true yeah there you go volume shooter all right his Casey Anthony tweet will live on an infamy forever so that alone gets him up there

oh my god I remember that just gave me a mean flashback Terry Rosier, you are on the clock. You're going to talk about Twitter. We can't say Twitter without talking about crew. All right.

I'm going to clock right now. I go a lot of different ways. But someone who's underrated funny is Carl Anthony Towns. Meams go crazy for days. This might be a seal of a fucking draft. Okay. Okay. I respect that. So, Ken Twitch stream moments?

It's more of like a laughing at you than like laughing with you, but people laugh. So, okay. Someone who's really laughing at you, Jordan Poole. I need him on my team too. You're laughing, but for the wrong reasons, really. No, Jordan Poole is hilarious. I respect that. I need different sides of comedy on my team.

You got two content creators and a fashion oval model. You're cooking. All right, listen, I have a basketball player, stand-up comedian. Give me a professional podcaster. Give me Jeff T. Oh! Jeff T. He gets hilarious.

Every story he tells us the funniest story we've ever heard. I need him on my team. I've never heard an elite athlete call himself trash in so many hysterical ways. He's amazing.

Exactly. He's real. He's real as fuck. Okay. Next up, who do I want to go? I have a lot of ways to take this one. Give me another podcast. Let me go with some current day players.

Give me Josh Hart. Okay. Josh Hart is hilarious. Quality. Quality. I fuck with the Abbey. If we ever get a Josh Hart v. Jeff Teague podcast episode, I don't know what I'm going to do but laugh for 60 minutes.

Oh, God. My lungs will give out. You know what? Give me a deep cut. Give me Vernon Maxwell, another Twitter legend. I have never seen somebody have so much smoke for one place that he does for the state of Utah. He hates that place and it's hilarious.

He has nothing but static. from anybody even associated with Utah in the slightest. If he smells Mormonism, he's like, uh, no. That's a good pick. That is a great pick. That's a good pick. Let's see.

What am I going to? Listen, we're talking about versatility. I need somebody on my team who's funny without trying to be funny at all. Give me Kawhi Leonard. Oh, it's a great pick. He was on my list. That's a quality type of funny.

I like that. Exactly. A straight face humor. He doesn't even try. He's just being himself. And somehow we have clips of Kawhi and Leonard funny moments. I need that. The guys being dudes.

The most awkward type of funny you could ever imagine. Quality thing. All right. Speaking of awkward, I just picked up Jordan Poole. Let me go ahead and get Draymond Green. Again, different type of funny. But seeing these two ass teammates along with LeBron and Cat, the memes will be rolling for fucking days, bro.

And he got a podcast, too. I'm unfuck withable. Oh, that's not a rages locker room. To spice up this locker room even more, Ray, go ahead and give me Jimmy Butler, the ultimate NBA fucking troll. Nothing but static 2 won my team. Holy shit, I forgot about how I got cat already.

Your team is straight chaotic. It's crazy. They all got a history with another. Yeah, thanks. All right, listen, if we're talking about trolls, give me Patrick Beverly. Patrick, listen, Patrick Beverly, listen, Patrick Beverly went on a national TV hating tour. That is true.

Against Chris Paul. It's just funny to see. And whether, again, whether if it's off the court or on the court, same type of situation. You can laugh at Patrick Beverly for so many reasons. I need that on my team. You know what? I get it. I get what you're going for.

Give me the trick. Give me the funny guy that Patrick Beverly wants to be the king of physical comedy. Give me Lance Stevenson. He's not one word. He's just goofy as hell. I like that. It's like, what are you doing, but he's hilarious.

The funniest bodily movements of all time. Blue and LeBron's ear. That alone stamped him forever in comedy. You've never seen a defensive tactic like that before. That's not even funny. That's brilliance to me. There's a strategist. It made LeBron laugh.

So my team, I got Charles Barkley, Shaquille O'Neal, Josh Hart, Vernon Maxwell, and Lance Stevenson. Nice. All right. Well, my team, I have Javelle McGee, Blake Griffin, Jeff T, Kowai Lennar, Patrick Beverly. Quality team. I thought you don't say something, Isaac. I was not going to go ahead. All right.

So I got LeBron, Cat, Jordan, Poole, Draymond Green, and Jimmy Butler. This team is straight chaos through 82 games. Your team would be hilarious. If we're putting all these guys in the same room, Jersey has the highest ceiling because it would be calamity. It would be destructive. Nothing good would come from it, and we would all get to laugh because of it.

Shams is leaking team meetings every single day, bro. Hell yeah. It'd be like the Bulls that a player's only meeting on the first night of the season this year. Can't believe that was real. I forgot to put that in our funniest moments to your list. That was hilarious. Yeah.

Wow. There we go. Y'all let us know who has a funniest team. They were destined for failure. That's true. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Next year we're going to do. Let's keep it on the topic of funniness.

You know, it's a very famous rat beef going on right now. Maybe I guess it's pretty much over now about the time this comes out. Last weekend it's had been better to do because it was fucking everywhere. But, you know, Drake and Kendrick going at it, rat beefs have been on the topic of everybody's mind. Facts. I think it's only right that we explain different rap beefs throughout the history of the genre in NBA terms. Let's do it.

Let's do it. I love crossover TikToks, man. Yeah, this is your time to shine, Donovan. You're going to ISO for this because I feel like you put lots of thought into this over the years. This is your bag. This is his moment. This is what he trained for. 87 episodes in, episode 88 is where history is made.

Episode one of the podcast, Donovan was like, I study rap beefs for a living. That's a leap. Yeah, man. Let's explain these rap beefs in NBA terms. First off, obvious. We got Drake versus Jay Cole. We got Drake versus Kendrick Lamar.

He did not want to be in this. Listen, I think that this is like, this is like peak Steph and peak LeBron going at it in 2016. You have the guy that was very, very popular, right? Steph Curry was rising up,

back-to-back MVPs, all that. And then you have LeBron James, who's just, you know, arguably the goat and just does this. If Kevin Dorett did not join, this is what that rivalry would have been like. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah, it's like that, but if in, it's like that, but if in 2011, LeBron was like, man, I think Steph Curry's a bitch.

And they just like held it inside for 10 years before they finally play each other in the finals. Exactly. Listen, I didn't want to do like any crazy projecting. But in 10, 15 years, this is going to be Wembe versus Chet. That's what this is. Not going to lie, you're actually cooking with that one. I like it. It's because they do not rock with each other.

It is so clear. For no reason, too. What other players like? It's the Spider-Man. I think back. What other star duos came in the league around the same time and like clearly never liked each other? I hope there has to be a better one besides LeBron and Steph? I don't know.

Be from draft night. It's kind of hard. What about Shaq? Does Shaq have ever problem with somebody from a young age? I bet he did. Shaq was annoying Shaq was a dickhead So I feel like people probably disliked him the same way

They disliked Drake Dude everybody He probably disliked himself I don't know Is this Kobe and Shaq? Is this Kobe and Shaq? Is this Kobe and Shaq in 2004? Oh yo this might be Kobe and Shaq

Because they were friends to begin with They were colliving in 2012 Went on tour together And then they realized One of them realized like I hate this motherfucker Just like Kendrick realize I hate Drake

This might be Kobe and Shaq So who's Shaq? Who do you think is better? out of Kobe and Shaq. That's the, that's the question. Whoever you think is better, that's Kendrick. Kobe hated Shaq's ass. Kendrick hates Shaq's ass. Kendrick hates Drake's ass.

It's a perfect corollary. Yeah, I like that. All right. There we go. All right, what's next? We got Ice Cube versus NWA. Okay. Someone who left the team said,

fuck all y'all. I'm going to be better than you alone. Listen, stay with me. this is Ray Allen leaving the Celtics to go to the heat oh my god you're cooking with that shit this is this is perfect they listen Kevin Garnett was ready to kill Ray Allen like for real for he was serious about it him and rondo were ready to pull up in Miami and they they hated him he left the squad got some championship of it listen the Celtics talk they talk mess about Ray Allen for a decade after that they that was real hate I think that's what this is and

Ray Allen won the chip without them. No Vaseline is the chip. It's perfect. Knock on, you're cooking with that, bitch. Oh, my God. Listen, I've been thinking hard about these. We'll let you cook. See, Mo, I don't know about you.

He has way more ideas than I do, so he can go ahead. I was going to go. I had a terrible idea. I was going to be like, oh, wow. If Ice Q ended up being a failure in his career, I would be like, failure maybe a little bit too steep. But could this be like Jordan Poole? What he envisioned his career being?

How fucking dare you put ice cube in short of pool? God for fucking bid. What's the next one? That's damning. We got Drake versus Meek Mill. What I have for this one? Okay. This picture's crazy.

It really is crazy. I'm going Chris Paul versus Darren Williams. Okay. Explain. Where? Chris Paul is clearly. literally better, right? Darren Williams had a moment, right? When he was up here, right? He was, he was hooping. He was doing his thing. But we all know that Chris Paul is way better than

Darren Williams. And that's kind of like the statute that I see. Yeah, he was definitely punching down in that comparison. Yeah. Listen, they- The problem is Chris Paul doesn't have any smoke for Darren Williams. They, they collabed real quick though, right? Meek Mill and Drake collabed before. Darren Williams, Chris Paul, they were on Team USA. You have those, those analogies. There's very rare instances in the new NBA where you have like actual hate So that's where like the line gets Gets drawn in a lot of these

But in terms of stature That's where that's where I see it Also in this picture is this pre Or post fake stomach muscles from Drake Oh post for sure This is post for sure Yeah That's tummy tuck Drake for sure

Yeah okay I got you Is this like Luca Donchage hating Devin Booker Huh Hmm Hmm Explain bouncing his ass out of the playoffs and dramatic crashing.

They were going at it. Everyone's like, oh, they're both so hot right now, but we know Lucas's way better. And then Luca backhands Devin Booker out of the playoffs in the most demoralizing way possible in an elimination game. Possibly. I have a comparison to.

Go ahead. Could this be James Hardin and Dwight Howard? Explain. Because there was bad blood between the two as well. They were together for a little bit, of course, and Dwight doing Dwight things. more post touches and shit like that fallout bad and there's been nothing but pure static for them between the two still too is it Kobe and Dwight Howard is this just Kobe and everybody

yeah Kobe has King of NBA static I like that one yeah that's that's good I like that fucking Dwight Howard man Dwight Howard is such a meek Mill yeah that makes total sense to me yeah all right what's next Jay Z and Nas This is clearly If we ever got a Kobe versus LeBron final This is this would be it

This would be it You have on one hand The guy who has risen to arguably be the goat JZ is LeBron And then you have the other guy Who's rapper The Hooper's Hooper and Kobe and Nas That's what this one on one is

Interesting how are we feeling about this is it that accurate enough i see the vision i'm just trying to figure out who's who between that because naus is the more talented one lebron's a more talented one like which way does it which way does it go i mean well okay but here's the here's the thing though right if you're looking if like if people are saying like oh this guy is like a rapper and you're looking at it in 1996 terms in 2001 terms right Everyone's like, nah, like, Nause is really, he's really like that. So that's kind of the same way that people talk about Kobe.

We're like, I don't care about everything that LeBronda is like, like Kobe's, like, like, like Kobe's a hooper. Like, it's like that. Yeah. The problem is I feel like one of those is a lot smarter than the other side. I'll leave it. I'll leave it out there, which one I think is more right. But I would think that for sure. It's definitely got to be like an OGB between two people that were like, they're, the people.

each other generation in the most one of the most popular generations i see that okay all right what's next push a t versus drake okay stay with me this beef listen this beef was completely defined by the gossip that was told right pusher came out said you're hiding a child everyone's like oh that's crazy right just talking reckless kevin garnett talked reckless to carmello anthony and described an encounter with Lala Anthony Just talking mad reckless She was your words carefully Exactly

Oh my God Kevin Garnet was talking reckless And that I'm Listen I'm gonna leave at that If you want to know what he actually said Honey Night Cheerios I'm sorry I could resist Yeah

That's probably a good comparison between It's just vitriol I don't know if anybody's ever had Like a revelation in beef Like Adonis but it's also you got thinking about it a one-sided beat down with the other person

didn't even want to respond where have you seen that before oh one side of beat down a beat just back blown out no response no effort to try to keep up Lebronto Lebronto

What, Shaq and Dwight oh yeah I think Shaq bully and Dwight is similar Shaq every time he gets a mic is like hey twice a bitch and a coward And Dwight's like, what the hell?

Yeah. I like that one. That static is still there to this day. Literally a couple of days ago, and Jock was like they were tired the wrong Superman jersey. No one cares anymore. He hates him.

He didn't do it. Dwight didn't do a damn thing besides also be called Superman. Yeah. I love that. Yeah, that's good. All right, what's the next one? Biggie versus Tupac.

I think this one is very, very, very, easy. This is Lake or Celtics. Yep. This is, this is Lake or Celtics. This is what rat beefs are built off of, right? Lake or Celtics is what NBA rivalries were built off of. You have the East Coast stuff, right? People were out here dying in the streets over this rap beat. In 1984, somebody would kill you if you, if you're on the wrong side of Lake Celtics. This ended in both these players' careers ending in murder in their death. How did Magic and Bird's careers end? The bodies gave up on them in different ways. I think it's an exact comparison here.

No, that's insane. But it's very fair. Yes, I agree. Your point is not wrong. It's just crazy. It's perfect. Point is not wrong. It's just crazy.

But yeah, this is Lake yourself. Tics. Yeah, magic and bird, clearly. One was the charismatic guy the West Coast. When was the highest skill guy from the East Coast that had the East Coast

fan behind him? It's so easy. I can't get over that. Bodies game up on him. There we go, man. Shout out the history of NBA rat beef. Oh my God,

that's good. Hey, the Kaliokas just won MVP officially. Surprise, surprise, surprise. Nice. Four years. Next thing we're going to do, let's shift the basketball.

You know, we've been doing a series of each of us given a top 10 in something. Last one we did was Donovan giving his top 10 jerseys in the league right now. I gave my top 10 players and Mo gave his top 10 point guards. I'm going to tell you guys my top 10 centers in the NBA right now. And I want you guys to react. Let me know where I'm right, where I'm wrong, all that.

Okay. Sounds fair. Honestly, it's a pretty hard position to rank, given the young guys that have thrown themselves in the mix. Not really. Yeah. Oh, you don't think so? Nah. Nah.

There's some players that are certainly better. So let's see your list. Okay. So real simple. These are my top 10 centers in the NBA. First honorable mention at 11, I'm going Christos for Zingas. Because at 10, I have Jared Allen at 10 and Alprin Sengun at 9. Al-Sangoon. Okay. I can get behind that. You can put KP above either one of these guys. I respect it. But I just went towards those guys for different reasons. Okay. I can definitely with how consistent Jared Allen has been, one of the more underrated centers in the entire NBA, I could rationalize putting him over. Chris stops I like it yeah yeah he's a legitimately great defender and KP's a very good defender and if you want to give it to him because of spacing makes you that tiebreaker that's fine but I think Jared Allen is a legitimately like great impactful defender and while he's not a shooter I think offensively he brings a lot as a finisher that's really valuable yeah yeah passing is a little bit underrated too he's not a complete like he doesn't play basketball with mitz on his hands bro I like and Sanguin at 9 he just obviously extremely skilled offensively yeah but he can't be even higher than nine I think because the defense isn't particularly impactful? Yeah. Keep it going. I'm good. I'm good with that. Okay. Then at eight I have

Chad Holngren and at seven I have DeMonte Sabonis. See, I was interested in where you were going to do that. I would flip them. Wow. I would, you know goddamn well I would flip them if I was talking about who I want on my team. But I think I have to give Sabonis credit for the season he had even though I think Chet is more impactful to winning basketball. But when you're talking about their talents, what they've proven, what they can carry for a team. Sabonis deserves a nod. But by this time next year, I think Chad's going to have their role. See, I I don't, and the fact that you can look at these two players and say, yeah, like, his numbers are good.

Like, he played, he, he did play well, but he's more impactful. You have, you have to go with the more impactful guy. We've talked so much about just how much of a ceiling having Sabonis be your second best player puts on your team. OK, see, got Chan Holmgren and went from the playin to the one seat. Immediately. Like, he is genuinely impactful and it's going to be one of the best centers in the league. You don't got to, you don't got to convince me.

flip on, fuck it. You don't, yeah, you can't tell me the Sacramento Kings, if they had Chet Hongrum at the five, don't crack 50 ones this year. They're different. They're projecting differently. Hell of a lot differently. I don't need much convincing. Y'all got it. At six, I have Bam out of bio, and at five, I have Rudy Gobert. This was hard for me. Bams a little more offensively skilled,

but I think Rudy Gobert is just so transcended defensively, and we're seeing it this year when he finally has good defenders around him. He makes you immediately the best defense in the league. I like that. I think I'd rather have BAM still because the offensive gap is fucking crazy. All right. Now I get that.

But I think Ritigalbert isn't this offensive shithole like people act like he's a perfectly fine role man, perfectly fine play finisher, just not a creator for you. And I think that's okay when you're the best defender in the planet. For sure. I think there's a difference between fine and like all-star level though. And I'm taking it all-star level with like elite defense too. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think I would take BAM just because.

And while, listen, we've seen Gobert in situations where he hasn't had great defense behind him and he was still like the jazz was still like the number one defense. They were still elite defensively. But if you don't have perimeter defenders like like the Thumb, like the Timberwolves have right now, I think it would be easier to make a good defense around Bam. I don't think I sure at all. I think if you put Bam on those jazz teams, they'd be much worse defensively. Bam is great defensively. This version of. He's not like Gobert where he can make up for everybody's mistakes around him with sheer size and length and IQ and ability to.

everything like that, I don't think Bams that kind of defender. But that'll make that offense a hell of a lot better, too, though, for being real. I guess, I mean, yeah, he's a better offense player than Gobert by wide margins, so I understand that. Give and take. Okay. At four, I have Victor Wenbanyama.

Okay. Nice. Perfect placement. They're going to call me a glazer. They're going to say he's too high. Shut up. You're wrong. You'll shut up. I'll just leave it there. At three, I have Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis You have one more year This was it

I'll be soon coming for that spot I'll tell you that But for now AD is clearly better Yeah for sure And obviously at 2 and 1 I have Joelle and Beade And Nicole Yokic Yeah that's no doubt

Okay Perfect list Not not perfect list Fine list Fine list Yeah decent I had listen I had I had Bam over Goldberg

When I did this a few months ago But I just feel like we're seeing there's you have a really high ceiling when you're led by ruddygo bear and you build them automatically i think that level of truly some of the best defensive interior we've ever seen in NBA history can take you really far yeah okay i listen i i i just have a little bit of offensive bias i just need you to be able to to make a jumper and like i would i would like that on my team i would like for everybody to be offensive threats if possible and if you can still get elite first team all all defense level play from this guy and he can make an 18

footer yeah i think i would like that over gobert i get that i respect that if i'm building a team i'm perfectly fine with one guy just being an elite role man and finisher at the rim then we have four other offensive skill players around him like we see with the timber wolves yeah i'm perfectly fine with that guy just focusing on his role if rudy gober is going to be hitting hitting almost 90% of his free throws then i'm perfectly fine with that this list is okay especially of Rudy Goberton doing this shit right now. Perfect. There we go.

Next thing we're going to do. It should be something also hilarious. We are going to have you guys guess the NBA player by their voices. Oh, shit. I have like sound bites from interviews of players talking, and you have to just hear that and tell me who you think this player is. I don't know this is going to be easy or incredibly difficult. No idea, but it should be interesting.

Okay, let's try it. Let's lock the fuck in. I know I got a lock in Everybody be quiet Real simple Guess the NBA player By their voice First off

Player 1 You know I don't even pay for money You know I don't even care About that bonus It's just about my legacy Who He doesn't even play for money

It's just about his legacy Donovan Do you know this is Wait I'm sorry Let's run that back One more time One more time I need to hear this

You know I don't I don't even pay for money You know I don't even care about that bonus It's just about my legacy Okay I got it He'll die for this shit

I got it Who is this? I got it See this is This is a Okay I think I know the accent I think this is a French accent And it sounds

It doesn't sound like a young Frenchman Sounds like an old Frenchman He's been through it Is this Rudy Gaubert This is Rudy Gaubert Back when he didn't make The All-Star game And he was going through it

emotionally because of it was he needed that shit he would die for the shit an all-star appearance really rudy you really wanted to catch him lobs I feel you this is his legacy bro he doesn't play around the man was gonna play seven minutes in the all-star game just go on vacation fam

I respect it man he cared I respect it making all NBA team have a week off you're you'll be okay so you guys are one for one next player we got player two here these are gonna get harder

and um yeah then shot started falling playing the right way kind of just trust in each other oh i got that who the hell is that i got i got that easy how who is that who who who who who who listen is that jalen williams this is jow i was going to say is this t j mcconnell or what like who is this that's a dog that's a dog it's not a really corporate that was like a very highly touted answer i'm like what the fuck i never heard that that's crazy this man is eloquence Yeah. Okay.

I like it. That's jade of himself. Two for two. You guys are killing it so far. Okay. I say Donovan is. Donovan is carrying me right now. I'm not going to lie to you.

I watch press. I do my research. Player three. It was on our mind in the sense of every game matter. You know, if we want to be in a good spot with the standards, we got to win every game. It's a little bit harder. Sounds a very generic voice.

Bro, who is this? Could be anybody. That's, that's tough. Wait, let's run that back one more time, please. It was on our mind in the sense of every game matter. You know, if we want to be in a good spot with the standards, we got to win every game. Huh. Okay, we got to be in a good spot.

Now, obviously, I don't know when the sound bite was taken. I loki feel like I hear Dame in this, but I think by don't necessarily hear like the West Coast. I know, but I don't hear it. hear the West Coast? I don't know that's not an Oakland accent. I know. I know that's why. Could I have a guess. Okay, go ahead.

Okay. Might be the worst guess of all time but fuck it because I ain't got shit. Is this Scotty Barnes? You know damn well. It's not Scottie Barnes. You know damn well. That's not Scottie Barnes. I'm doing shit at the wall right now. It's not.

You'd spot Scotty Barnes' voice a mile away. This guy, a star player, highly drafted prospect, very famous prospect. Can you hear one more time? Play it again. It was on our mind and the sense of every game matter. You know, if we want to be in a good spot with the standards, we got to win every game. Yeah, this is so hard.

This is so hard. Who is this dude? I love, first off, I love this game, but this is insanely hard. Yeah, one more guess. One more guess where you give up. Yeah. Yeah. It was on our mind and the sense of every game matter.

You know, if we want to be in a good spot with the standards, we got to win every game. Fuck. Any last ditch, Hail Marys? Say, I feel like it might be someone in the Western Conference. All right. Okay, I'm gonna just, he said, he's a highly touted prospect. Um, is this Palo Bancaro?

Incorrect. This is Zion Williamson. Oh, what? Oh my God. Wow yeah no clue I said someone in the West I was the closest shut up yeah you're narrowed down a wind that's okay right next player thing I win I'm player number four of my ice cream bars I'm a big ice cream guy ew why he selling on in my why you

why you talk like that in my ear I just play it again I love my ice cream bars I'm a big ice cream guy this dude got to be light skin you got to be light skin my big ice cream guy he got to be light skin I love ice cream could this could this talk about future oh he's like go ahead go ahead go ahead wait could this be Jalen Brunson that's not a terrible guess but it's not Jalen Brunson damn I see what I see what you're hearing though bro this is okay yeah listen the first two rounds are just easy. We're cooked. We're working. We might not, we might not be as good as we thought. I love mine. Go ahead. We're sitting here. I'm a big ice cream guy.

Where are you finding these clips? Is this an Eastern Conference player? I feel like it is. This is a Western Commerce player. You were on to something when you said he's light skin. He's a light skin dude in the Eastern Conference, bro. No, fucking Keegan Murray. Can the Western Conference. He's in the West of the conference. Can be Steph for Clay. It's not Devin Booker. Hell no. We talk about him a lot about him being light skin.

Is this Devin Booker? No. I feel like that's the old. Is that one of the main light skin dudes that we talk out West? Y'all, you're not going to get it. This is Chet Holgren. I was by to say, Chet. I knew it.

Listen, you're right, but you're wrong. Because he is light skin, but he's not. He's bright skin. I was going to say chat Damn You got me This man loves his ice cream And he loves

Time never mind He didn't know he was an ice cream guy Next name Who was player five Oh my God I'm sorry about that It's just been tough man I've been feeling terrible

I played terrible And I just give credit to my teammates man Damn You tired as hell he's exhausted bro i'm so mad because i'm i can this be col anthony

you're close it's not col anthony oh this is paula bank caro then this is palo bank caro after give me my money there we go good job he hit a game winner versus the pistons

and he was overcome a joy I'm on the board good job thank you finally a victory next player Player six. Yeah, I think so. Offensive, defensive.

It was a good night for me. Wait. Can you play one more time? Can you carry up? It was kind of low. Yeah, I think so. Offensive, defensive. It was a good night for me.

Okay, so is a foreign due, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. This is like, listen, it's not, it's not like a Frenchman or it, I'm not going to go there. Never mind. I'm not going to. How many people are? countries you know

and can't you tell the difference to Lithuania and Uzbekistan See I was trying to go that I wasn't going to stay in countries You know I'm trying to do that Nah You're right then not an American

There you go I think I know who this is I think so This motherfucker sounds big Is this Alphran Sangoon? This is the Turkish legend Alperin San Guz. We are on the board.

Let's go. There we go. Two in a row. He was tired as hell. He'd be moving his feet on defense, trying his hardest. I do lose him. Next player. No, this game is crazy.

It has me sounded like Good with Arena. I'm not like that. I'm not like that. I'm not like that. The last person on Earth, I want to sound like Player number seven Yeah I mean everything I noticed

You know we're just gonna keep going out there And try to do it energy's good Everybody's touch the ball is moving As long as we compete we'll be okay This sounds like When someone like Kevin Hart It's like making a deep voice impersonate somebody

He does We keep the ball moving We'll be okay Sounds like a joke Sterectically deep voice Yeah I mean Everything I noticed You know we're just gonna keep going out there

And try to do it Energy's good Everybody's touch the ball is moving as long as we compete, we'll be okay. Hmm, we'll be okay. This player sounds so straight to the point. It feels like, it feels like Zach Levine doing like a deep voice impersonation,

you know what I'm saying? This is Zach Levine, right? This is Zach Levine. Yeah. You said it sounds like him if you try to make his voice deeper. Does he have two voices, like Tyres? He might.

I know his voice is deep. It just sounded deeper than the normal. He woke up with a scratchy throat that day. Yeah. Yeah, full game of exasperation. Mean Lugie and it's dope. I'm taking, I'm taking half a point on that win.

All right, next up. Last player. Who is this man? One reason I came to Shamanai was because of sports, mainly basketball. You know, for all the great kids here that play basketball, like one, Anthony Novelli. Who the hell is in San Mero?

Who is this? Play it back One reason I came with Shaman I was because of sports Mainly basketball You know for all the great kids here They play basketball like one Anthony Novelli All right this can't be fair

This player sounds hell of young It sounds like a college or high school interview It is It is Sounds like he was struggling to read Why did you do him like this? I know just show it I know he's playing with us right now

This is so mean Is this David's man or something? He could not talk on camera This is Jason Salem in high school Yeah, I was about to say He's all he can make

There's a video On his YouTube channel He's making a movie About himself for school And he's talking about Why he went to his high school Because he likes The sports and academics

He got that Duke education I retract my statements He was struggling talk on camera he taught me how to tie my tie i can't lie like that i almost big that video but the audio was bad it would be hard to understand i was gonna do the tie video that would have been too easy say well with this one instead that's perfect there we go man next thing we're gonna do it's not about two k ratings two k put out an update yesterday where they updated their ratings for the playoffs so a lot of the players are still playing got bums all kinds of stuff like that

there's some interesting ratings here now so i'm gonna I named two NBA players, and I want you guys to tell me who has a higher 2K rating. All right, bet. Some of it may surprise you. I'll say that. First matchup, Anthony Edwards versus Jason Tatum. If Anthony Edwards and his Michael Jordan-like rise has not put him above Jason Tatum and 2K, then I don't know what to say.

I'm going with Anthony Edwards. He's been a top five player for a couple of years now. Anthony Edwards is literally this generation's Michael Jordan. I'm at least in the last two weeks. Exactly. I don't know what previous update said This last update better have Anthony Edwards above Jason Tatum There might be an update for these playoffs

Oh for these playoffs. Oh, he's been cheeks Jason Tatum as his update he didn't go down I don't know if 2K lowers him at all But the way Anthony Edwards is moving It might be tied now I will say it's tied I'm going okay I might say they're like good It is Anthony Edwards by one point 95 to 94

two can nose ball let's go bro these agendas are being pushed over over the last week I'm telling you 95 is nuts I'm not gonna like crazy what a fucking rise next up Kyrie Irving versus Kauai Leonard damn Kauai pain listen Karee he's been hooping like crazy I understand that but outside of injury Kaui Leonard is probably still Kaui Leonard in the game and I don't think that even if they load his injury to zero he's still going to be better than than kairi in the game so give me kawai leonard i might lead kairi irving he's he's been playing some of the best basketballs since we've seen him play next to lebron um kair irving is a 93 overall quiet leon is a 92 wow damn shout out to karee shout out to

guy said come back he said the best of it the best ability is available Yeah, they lowered his ass. Okay. Next one. Shat in 2K. Jalen Brunson versus Steph Curry. Oh no. Please.

Listen, I understand Jalen Brunson's been doing historical shit, but don't match him up against Steph. God, this is gross. I'm leading to Steph regardless. I'm going Jalen Brunson. Oh, hell. 2K. Please don't do this.

I will delete this game off my PS5 right now. As you know. I'm going to say that they're tied. Tide, okay Can't be Yeah, listen Sorry to disappoint Your Nick's heart

Stefan Curry is still higher By one point But Jason Bruce is the 94 Who that fucking is crazy 94 is nuts Wow 94 overall That's fucking unstoppable

What a rise You'd love to see it From second round pick To 94 overall I've been trying to tell you y'all Jaylon Brunson over Jason Tatum Come on They're fucking tied now

So that's crazy Now All right next one Victor Womenyama versus Rudy Gobert Oh this is Wemby in a heartbeat This is Wemby still Yeah

No no What It's still gonna be real? What attributes does Rudy have Higher than Wemby Other than like maybe Shotblogging even the Wembe All I'm saying is they're probably

Listen 2K is probably like the rest of the world When they don't understand That Wembe's already like that He's already that guy Listen the first update in next year's game he will 100% be better I think Rudy is still better than Vic in 2K

You thought wrong You thought wrong Wembe is three overall points higher Than Rudy will bear Are they no ball? Yeah He runs faster I'm not by the game again

Better at blocking shots He's a better shooter handles a ball better Passes better She just does basketball better Okay I like that's way to put it Yeah

I like that Next one Let's there some teammates It's Chad Hongren versus J-dub. Thunder on Thundercrime. I don't like this one. Give me Jaylon Williams. Give me Jalen Williams.

I have no reasoning. I have no reasoning. I'm just, they're both like, they feel so significant to the thunder right now. They're both amazing. I have no reason to pick one over the other. So I guess, I guess, give me, give me J-Dub just because he's been in, like, I don't know. it might be check because i don't know if 2k realizes how good jadub is but they definitely do realize should realize how elite chet's defenses this tough

hmm you know defensive stats put them over the top yeah i think chet's defensive tangibilities puts them over the top for sure that's good thinking you're still wrong as hell j dub is one higher yeah wow that that makes sense one point they respect a bucket getter also shout out to jadb being an 88 like very close to a 90 overall that's fire Second year? That's ridiculous. That's fire. More.

Put them up higher. It's not high enough yet. Ninety one? Something like that. Get it out of your mouth. All right. Oh, my God. That's gross.

Whoa. You said 90. Get out of nowhere. Get out of nowhere. Get out of here. Get out of here. Damn. Next matchup.

Trey Young versus Tyrese Maxie. I might throw up. you know it's Tyrese maxi for what why what do he do plays with Dwell and Bede he's better at what basketball what do you mean like what what are we talking about you know it 2K don't fucking rock with Trey that's all it is I'm going with Tyrese I'm still going Trey regardless split decision huh ain't no split decision here Oh, wow, that was quick. That's crazy.

That was the bad thing on me right now. Don't put me, boy. Well, I got it all of me. It's only right. You guys are split down the middle because this is our first tie. They're both in 89. Trey Young, not a 90? How the mighty have fallen.

Recrecy bias is a motherfucker. Bad year. It's all right, though. It's all right. It's two years. It's two years. It's a recency bias? Oh.

Two years. It's the Hawks. We're talking about Trey Young. right now. No, the Hawks have Tray Young's PR in the

toilet. It's crazy. We need to free him and get him to another franchise. Terrible last

organization. Pain. Maybe we get him in a Lakers jersey. I don't know. Next matchup. Next matchup.

Clay Thompson versus R.J. Barrett. Oh, man. RJ has been hooping ever since he got traded to

the Toronto Raptors. Completely different player. True. But also, play still has like a 98 three-point rating

so that carries him. I get that. but I think that RJ Barrett has always been a great player in theory and that is why he's going to be great in 2K so I'm going to go with RJ Barrett

okay I still might lean with Clay but I don't feel good about it at all okay real quick what are these though like Mo what do you think the ratings are like 83 84 I was leaning like Clay might be at 83 84 absolute max

yeah okay you guys are real close R.J. Barrett's in 83. Clay is in 82. Yeah. They're calling you wash, Clay. What are you going to do about it? Oh, my God. He's going to run in Disney. He's going to Orlando. So they get paid. That's what he's going to do about it. He's going to sit down and cry amongst his riches. He doesn't give his shit.

His legacy can't go down like this, bro. He don't even rock like 2K. So who gives a, who cares? Oh, I promise you does not care. Are you asking about this? He's like, get out of my face. I don't play video games. He's not going to care at all. steady me calling out he's going to be like these say get away from you 2K well about 20,000 points 20K

he's going to start saying shit like that all right that's the end of that segment last thing we have to do today before we get out of here we're going to talk about some NBA trades and how well they've aged you know a lot was said about the Rudy gober trade when it happened

different tune now that the team is unstoppable so I'm going to list you a bunch of NBA trades and you guys let me know if they've aged well or if they were a mistake in hindsight. Gotcha. So, yeah, you just said that. Aged well or it was a mistake.

That's the two things we're judging. All right, but. First trade, Rudy go back to the Timberwolves. I mean, it's aged well, partly and I guess big part because Anthony Edwards is just taking the leap into superstardom,

and so it makes everything else look good, but coming into the season, we thought that this team was going to get blown up after a year and a half, So shout of it. What did they prove it was wrong? This age like fine wine. The bet they made was that cat could play the four

and Anthony Edwards can be a top 10 player. Last year, neither of which were the case. Now, both are working perfectly and this trade, the logic made perfect sense now. Tim Coney is a mastermind, bro. What can we say? Now, giving up Malik Beasley, no one cares. Patrick Bev, no one cares.

Walker Kessler, good player, still don't care. Vanderbilt don't care. And the other dudes still do not care. The picks hurt a little bit. Yeah, it's a lot of picks But if they're able to reach Finals, which is a real thing This trade is aging like wine

100%. They needed more time for it to make sense And for the vision to become clear But now it's as clear as ever Yeah, I agree. Leonardo, I'm sorry, man Leonardo I'm pretty sure Leonardo Balmara

I think that's his name If it's not, that's so bad I don't know who that is is it Leandro Or Leandro Maybe it's Leandro Actually Donovan Mitchell

To the Cavs Listen The Jazz For the Jazz, it's aged perfectly For the Cavs You probably You probably hold on to your assets

Five first round picks Yeah I think it's some mistake Five five Dive picks And Larry Marketing Who turned into Into an all-star Like yeah

You probably wanted to do that again Using hindsight Of course it looks bad But even at the time I'm still doing this trade Because Donovan Mitchell's like He could be a top 10 Top 15 player at his peak

And Larry Markin just wasn't looking like that At all back when he was in Cleveland Yeah I think this is age is perfectly fine I would still do this This team isn't working Not because D Mitch This team isn't working Because D. D. Mitch has been working

Because Darius Garland and Nevin Mobley Haven't developed like they hoped DeMitch has given them everything they expected to get from him I would still do this you boys are about to get swept so and listen and they're finished ship somebody out of town

it won't be de Mitch unless he has to be he's not the problem yeah sadly Derek favors is in Evan Moby's shadows right now no Darius Garland get ready to speak

Louisiana that's what that's the problem get ready to speak bignet you and Zion are going crazy next year next year next up Paul George to the Clippers

who this is a It's so poorly. It's so poorly. It's so bad. They traded Shay. Now. And they picked up with J. Dub.

Now, you would do it again, right? You would probably run this back if you could get two elite wings. However, it's aged poorly. There's a MVP final on the other side and J. Dub. Like, come on. They're the one seat now and you guys are fighting for your playoff lives every single year, got bouncing in the first round this year. It's tough.

It's tough out there. And I get that you had to do it to get Kauai. try harder to convince Kauai that Shay's going to be him because this is a lot to give up for Paul George and I understand it in the moment I didn't have a problem with it does some Doc Rivers lied saying he was trying to convince

Kauai he should have tried harder yeah this this shit aged like milk man it's so tough to see I understand it you're the clippers you have to have some type of motion going on whenever you have the Lakers in the same arena

but it just makes my stomach hurts for all fans bro damn yeah this is This is seven picks. And the point of this is hindsight. We know in the time it made sense, now you got to view it as a mistake. It hasn't worked. It is what it is.

My stomach hurts. Next up, Damien Lillard to the Bucks. Oh, this is a mistake. I'm still doing this 10 times out of 10, bro. It's a mistake. What is making this a mistake? You brought Damien Lillard in. the coach got fired halfway through your top two you top two duos right your top duo of yonis

and dame don't work well together your defense which was the basis of everything that you did over the last couple years is now fried and you have an aging superstar who is hit or miss on a on a night to night basis and yonis who loki gets hurt a lot now yeah i'm not i'm not doing this and you gave up all your picks you have no flexibility your team is old and now you have Doc Rivers as your coach, it's a mistake. And you let the Celtics get Drew Holiday and turn into a God squad. That's also part of it. Facts.

The time was ticking on Drew Holiday. He's currently averaging seven points and he's shooting below 40% from the fields right now, all right? That's absolutely disgusting. All those picks and shit like that, they're going to hurt a little bit, but every single team has to make that move whenever you bring in someone who can perform like a top 1510 player at all times. He moves mountains. It hasn't worked out yet, but don't be so quick to say that this shit age like milk. I agree. I'm willing to give another year.

They weren't going anywhere with Jew holiday. They had to make something up. I think it's still fine. But if they fail again, then it's going to get spooky. Absolutely. They might. They just lost dynasty to Antoninacompo, bro. You went out with an Achilles injury.

Death of a dynasty. They're cooked now. Our next one. Dejante Murray to the Hawks. Hey, man. this is this is milk this is a so i haven't got to say it this isn't got to say it this is turned this is turned so far past milk it's cheese now okay this is awful this is such a bad cheese not gonna lie such a bad trade this trade right here what the lakers did with trading

for russell westbrook it feels like the exact same vibes with what d'zante murray come becoming an alana hog don't jane murray's better of course but in terms of how much you risk for the future and how you destroyed everything and you might cause tray young to leave too this is mildew this is disgusting in the moment i never liked it having a star guard and looking around the league like how do i make this team better next to my guard get another point guard like that was always so stupid terrible fit the fact they thought they'd make him a shooting guard or tray young being good off all this stuff never made sense and it went exactly as poorly as you'd expect the logic wasn't terrible go to hell logic was horseshit we convinced ourselves logic was

decent but the logic was awful we were like if you looked certain way and you really imagine try young being a completely different player and jante being a completely different player then maybe it could work exactly the only way this works is if mo's controlling both of them on two can hey and if i'm doing that i'll get you right in one offseason you want a championship you won a championship yesterday i saw i might have been until 4 a m go going through like five scenes of 2K, but I got the job done. Terrible last year. I hate this rate so much.

All right. Next one. Kyrie Irving to the Dallas Mavericks. This is a great trade. They got him on a discount because of all of the extracurricular off-court stuff. But Kyrie has played some of the best basketball we've ever seen him play. And now Luca has a legitimate running mate. I'm doing this every time.

I agree. Dude. I cannot express how long. lucky the Dallas Mavericks are that Kyrie Irving crashed out as hard as he could in Brooklyn. And they weren't able to get this star for cheap. I don't know how they would have kept Luca happy. They are blessed that he ruined the Brooklyn Nets because this is the perfect trade for them now. Yeah, absolutely. Spencer Dinwiddie and Dorian Finn Smith were getting you absolutely nowhere. That 2029 pick, who gives a damn? Because if you were on the same trajectory,

Luca wouldn't even be there. No one cares. Cairo is a godson, for sure. I cannot express. This trade saved Luca Donchish's prime in Dallas. No exaggeration. For one first round pick. And it doesn't even matter if they don't end up winning much at all. Because now this just gives you, this alleviates all the headaches. Instead of watching guys like Tim Hardaway, Jr., ISO and Chuck at the most random three,

you get to watch Carrie Evering, put up the most beautiful basketball mixtapes every other night. Nice. Right, last one, to Monta-Sabonis to the Kings. It's a win. It's a win, right? Like, this is one of those trades where it worked out for everybody. So I think it aged well. The Kings, as relevant as they've been in the last 20 years, shout out to them.

And when you are Sacramento, that's all you are playing for at this moment right now. It's a win-win on both sides. I absolutely agree. Exactly. Yeah. I think the Sacramento team doesn't have any type of, like, ceiling of ever being a championship contender. But, you know, King's tax, they were never going to be that. So being just good enough to be in the playoffs every year is a win for them,

even if we look back and be like, oh, Tyrese is probably the better player. Exactly. And for there was no path. There was no path either way, so this is the best they could do. Yeah. And for Indiana, you are going absolutely nowhere with a Miles Turner and DeMontasabonis-led team. Tyree's Halloween is the face of your shit, which is what you do. I forget Demontasabonis was a power forward.

Thank God they did this. Tyrese is so much better there. I know. most even even trade in recent history there you go and that means this is also the end of the show no oh my god is wrapped up if you're still here what should you comments comment uh comment a lot wop wop wop what's literally michael joe comment oh v ho come with that And he say, oh, Vee-ho. Wap, wop, wop!

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