The Deep 3 Podcast - The Ceiling And Floor For Every NBA Team In The West | TD3 Clips

Episode Date: September 30, 2026

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We are going to pick the ceiling, floor, and realistic outcome for every single NBA team in the Western Conference. You guys know what this works. We're going to see one on screen and decide what we as a group feel is in the cards for that team and all three outcomes. So, B. Soles, who is the first team up today? First team. Talked about them a lot today. The Lakers. Floor.

If things go poorly and they really miss LeBron, Walker-Kessler, God forbid misses games, and it's Kavanaughn-Luny starting. What's the worst-case scenario for this team? Playing team. I don't know if they'll be better if you're playing team I think if Walker Hessler gets has a serious injury

or if it's or if it's something where it's not like if he plays like 40 games he plays half the year right I think they they definitely can be a playoff team I shouldn't assume that for every team we can't just say

what are best players are I'm just saying I'm saying for him just because he has had injury concerns in the in the past and he's coming off of a year where he did miss the whole year because of injury

and so for them specifically, they can be down there. I think no matter what, you will have probably the most potent and hard to defend back court between Luca and Austin Reeves already. And that's going to be so hard to stop. I think maybe if Walker Kessler ends up either being missing games here or just not necessarily living up to potential, worst case scenario still just like looking at the math in terms of what makes a basketball team good.

big ass elite defender got buckets all over the place between Luke and Austin Reeves and a lot of filler guys in between your floor to me is you're a six seed I think I think even like you can be the Phoenix Suns last year that should be bare minimum even even healthy there's a world where they could be a playing team nah I don't think that can even even even healthy if all if all the guys even even healthy if all the guys in between are are misses because you are you're asking for for Queen Grimes to go back to a version of of of

himself that he was. You're asking for Kavan Looney to step in as a backup role. You're asking for Zaire Williams to come in and do certain things. I think that there are about three to four players on this team that you are asking to not change who they are, but

provide something that hasn't necessarily been there 100% of the time. I don't know what that word. So yeah, if all the players suck and other players are good they could be really bad. I don't think any of us believe that's actually in the cards though. I think floor, okay, if you want to say seven seats to Florida, I think that's fine. It probably because of and lack of big man depth specifically.

But I do think seven seat as the floor is that's fair to say. Ceiling. I mean, they could win a chip this year. You think what? You didn't win a chip? Damn. Oh, you think the range is the Grand Canyon this bitch. Yes, I do.

The ceiling is a floor type sheet. His brother's on the truth. He sees everything, bro. Everything is possible. He sees Dr. Strange. All the multivirons. Fuck it. Sealing win a chip, I guess.

No, I don't think so. I think they can go. I think with Luca and, and Reeves, and I'm not as scared of Reeves in the playoffs this year as I have been in years past, but I do think that Luca always has a fantastic time playing against OKC, and we will see how San Antonio progresses throughout the year, especially with their guard dynamic. But outside of those two, everybody else in the West is very getable, and I think that the Lakers can be there.

And if all the players do click and we do get just another, not even like massive leap, but just step forward from from Kessler, a back court scoring 60 and one of the better room protectors in the in the league, I think can take you a very, very long way. Okay, I guess sealing is championship. There you go. I don't know, man. Sealing is finals appearance. I think so.

Sealing is finals appearance. Well, let's say that. Whether or not they win or lose, sure. I'll let you be optimistic. I think you can make the conference finals. That's like the absolute ceiling from my mind because there's too many variables between the filler guys like we mentioned

that have to prove something that they haven't done in a minute. You're right when it comes to that. But man, finals? Realistic. There's a team somewhere in there. Okay. What's realistic?

Third seed. Three to five seats, one of the teams in the second tier? I would say, yeah, I would say three seed is very realistic. and second round exit. Okay, respectable third seats, second round exit to one of the real contenders. That's probably realistic.

That's a good season. That's a good year one, actually rebuilding this team around Luca Dantzachian. We've had three year ones already. Your respectable team that someone says, don't let them get hot, and then you see one of the teams that are real contenders,

and they bludgeon you. Yep. Okay, next team. Houston Rockets. Floor? I don't really see them being a playing team. I think regular season, they're going to be way too competent.

to fall that low. With Fred and Stephen Adams back, we know what their nucleus that this team can do with Kevin Durant there. I think their floor is like the six seed. I feel like

their four is a little bit higher on it. I think it's like the fifth seed. It's a little bit higher. Fifth seed. You won like 52 games last year without Fred and Stephen Adams.

So the floor of 50 games? Yeah. Mean 51. Sealing? 53. I think they're exactly who we think they are. I think they are a solid

low to mid 50 win team. Go over 50 wins Yeah I think honestly Realistic The only reason why I can see Like the ceiling any higher Is if a SAR or Shangoon

Has like some drastic changes into the game Sealing 51 games Yeah 51 to 55 I think they are who we think they are They're a very good playoff team That won't compete with the top two teams I don't think But they're also not going to fall down

To close to playing range Also the star stay healthy too That is true That's Kevin Durant Who's old as fuck But like around him they stay very healthy Katie had a super healthy year too

Alright so floor 50 wins ceiling 52 Realistic 51 yes Precisely That you Welcome to the 4Ced Houston Rockets They will be a good team this year Yep yep no doubt about it

Okay next Dallas Mavericks Going down to the middle tier Now this is like true variance right here Floor Welcome back to the top five picks Actually no because the new lottery odds Floor you're one of those mid teams

That get the good new lottery odds and you're picking number four in this year's draft. I don't even know if they have their pick outright. I forgot swapped. Yeah. Floor, you're giving another team. The Hornets is it? I don't remember.

It probably would be the Hornets, but... Every pick goes through like three teams at this year. Yeah. The Flores, you're giving some other team that has your pick swap a top four pick in this draft. They could just suck again. That's super possible. That they're still rebuilding.

I see just suck. I think if that happens in my mind, the expectations I have for... Cooper fight going to next year dramatically disappoints. Yeah, I actually don't. This is floor, though. I think...

I don't think still... I don't think that's their floor. Do you think there's no chance they still suck? No. Okay, then what's the floor? The 8th C. That's a...

A.C. It's not a floor. It's a different term. I'm trying to find the word, but it's not... Respectable playing team. I think they make the playing regardless.

So floor is playing to you. Yeah, I would say floor is 10 C. That feels unbisced. There's a lot of teams we're going to say that about. Well, they're an ambitious team. But as I'm saying, as a floor, I don't think they're guaranteed to be in the playing. I think I like the odds that it happens,

but to me, the floor is lower because things could go. Maybe Cooper Flagg's not ready to be a top 15 player. Maybe Kyrie Irving is 35 years old, and Derek Lovie's never going to be healthy again. And Marej Johnson's a rookie, and Zachary Shrey still sucks. Maybe all this happens,

and none of those things are like crazy. That is a definition of what a floor is. Yeah, like that could be the 13th scene pretty easy. Like, that's in a deep conference, there's no guarantee it's a great team. I don't know. Like, everything that you're saying doesn't align with Cooper flag. We're hitting.

We're here on the list. If he's the same Cooper flag that we saw for the last two months of the year, he's a fucking all-star, you know. And that guy alongside someone else who can do a couple of driven moves and shoot 40% from three. Kyrie, we're not asking you to be like the same Kyrie at all. He'd be our version of Fred Van Vleet and be simply a threat and read defenses. Yes, he can. But this team isn't just built out where they're like one Kyrie being a third. threat away from being good.

Like, there's still more swing factors that go their way. This isn't a well-built roster yet. For sure. I think as long as Gafford is there and lively can show signs of being alive here and there. And what's his name?

Max Christy also, he's good too. You can start, if Rich say sucks, that's cool, that's fine. That doesn't really matter because you give up nothing for him. They will, yeah, they will make the plan. Yeah. Flores playing team.

Guaranteed. There you go. That's Yel's prediction. Floreen is playing team. Then ceiling. Can they get to the top six? No, they can. So their ceiling is playing team?

I think they'd be seven. I don't think we're playing the game here. It's seven. Yeah. No, I think that they will be a seven to ten team. So most likely probably ten. Like nine or ten. But I think that if everything goes right,

they'll be like the suns from last year. Exactly. They can be seven easy. What was the difference in seven and ten last year in games? What if it's like a three game difference? Right. The floor 42, the ceiling, 44. No, it was more than that.

It was more than three games. Well, then do you think the realistic is is a ceiling? You think they're just a seven seed? Realistic? Yeah, I think there are eight seed. The barrens were operating on here,

kill them. It's a razor thin, man. All right. There's your eight scenes for the Dallas Mavericks. Your destiny's written. All right. Next. Memphis Grizzlies.

The 15 seed. Is the floor? Yeah. Yeah. I guess the floor of Camboozo looks like a rookie and isn't ready to be a, Crater and Zach Edy, unfortunately, he's still very injury prone. You could once again just be a terrible team.

That's fair. And if someone like Tid Jerome's not ready to take the load of being the number one point guard on a consistent basis, I can see that happening. My bad. 14C. They are not going to be worse than the Kings. Oh, the Kings exist. You're right.

14C is the floor. The Kings exist. You're right. That's an important thing to really clarify there. True, true. I don't want to disrespect the city of Memphis. LeBron James did enough. I think we got to be, make sure we're working.

You did in there last week. He did. Sealing? I think. Eight, I think. I think they could be, if Cambooz is ready to be, like, plain, like, not star production because he's a rookie, but whatever that looks like for a rookie and Edie's healthy,

being a really, really good 15 and 10. Tadrooms here. Tad Joram's here, who I think is the most underrated guard in the league. I think that could be the eight seed. Said your coward as well. You're two leap. Your guy. I can see that happening.

That's your guy. Eight. I, five. Hey, ceiling. I think I said, if they are the sons of this year, I can see that as a ceiling outcome. Yeah. Realistic?

probably the 11 seed The first team out? Yeah, I don't think that they're going to be competing for a playoff spot for real for real. I think they will. But if they're the first team to miss out, I'm not shocked. Yeah.

Yeah. They will be extremely spunky. Yeah, fair. I agree. They might lead the NBA in small. I think when we do our predictions, I put them 10 because I wanted to exist. But if they're 11th,

I won't be shocked at all. Yeah. Okay. Next. Los Angeles Clippers, fresh off the investigation. Brandon Ingram has a torn Achilles partially, just partially.

the floor is 15 The floor is This is an uttered fucking disaster Ruey and Brooke Lopez Can't grab any rebounds Darius Garland is alone Very small, very injury prone

Granite Ingram exists somewhere in the ether King Wagler takes too much time To get going He's a rookie This could be a terrible team But could they be worse than the Kings though Yes Yes

Worst case in here I don't think they will be Their coaching is too good But like one Garland injury And they're worse than everybody Okay And Garland does get hurt That is true

Yeah I'm saying 15 is the floor I'm investing absolutely zero stock. Realistic, I don't see that being a playing team, honestly. I really don't see the ceiling there of anything great. Is 11 playing? Nope. Yeah, I think they're realistic ceiling is like 11 seed. I think I agree.

Which is quite pessimistic for a team that has an all-star player, but... Yeah, they don't have much going on, bro. I really don't see the vision whatsoever. I don't know who their best defender is. I don't know who their best rebounder is. I don't know who's going to do a lot of big mass up for this team. Yonish, shot it to him. But he's coming off of injury.

So I think the answer to all your questions was Brooke Lopez. And that's like a really weird. Oh my God. Oh, my God. See, that's why I didn't want to say anything, bro. It's a terrible answer. Realistic. Fucking 13.

Yeah, right in the middle. Low key 14. I think it's like them in the Kings. Yeah. You put 14 honestly. Hey. Damn. How pessimistic.

What are you going to do? Someone's got to suck. We can't put everybody to play in. All right. Next. Oklahoma City Thunder. floor you're back to being on pace for a dynasty oh oh that's a floor ceiling i know glacial oh my god get it out of your mouth my bad ceiling you're back on pace of

being a dynasty you're back on pace to being the spurs winning championships multiple years being back in the finals over and over again that's clearly in the cards of the ceiling yep i agree so 68 games is the ceiling j-dubs healthy as hell has a redemption year yeah and not just champs. I think the framing of like Dynasty's back in the cards that we had that blip for one year. We're back to being an elongated stretch of being the top team. I think is the ceiling. Okay. So back to Dynasty talks.

Floor. What's the worst case scenario? Floor is a three seed and first round exit. And they get first round it. It's just a three seed for sure. I can see them being like three seed. Maybe Shays have been healthy this entire time, never sustained anything like worth missing 20 games. That's like the only thing that I could see happening.

I think the floor is Tuesday. Who's passing them up besides the spurs? If the Lakers have just like a, bro. Of the last year. Bro. Then I can see it happen. I'm just saying in the regular season, we've seen this team, even, even though that they've won the title two years ago and were 24 and 0 last year, they, they have injuries all the time. Like, they really, really do battle with that.

And the right. I think, though, you have a lot of, they've done a lot of shuffling. of like the back end of their roster. And what if what if this is the year where at the start of the year those debt pieces don't come 100% ready to lock in? I can see a world where

they still are very good and they know we're trying to play at this point in time. Not to say that we're going to like take it easy but the Lakers have a very good year. You can get to the three seed and then all of a sudden

you find yourself in the dog fight in the first round. I can see that being the floor. I mean, I'm optimistic about the Lakers. I think there's almost no chance to Lakers win 60 games. And I think for the OKC Thunder, their floor is clearly like 60 ones unless she gets a cataclysmic injury,

which while we, that would we factor that in? They don't lose games like that in the regular season. Because they lost Aaron Wiggins and Isaiah Joe. And Loodort. Lou Dort.

Whoa. Stop the presses. I'm saying, man. I think there's no chance they win less than 60 games in a regular season, unless it's crazy injuries, obviously.

Same for everybody. They're just a real. regularly season wins machine. They could definitely win less than 60. I mean, sure. Anything is possible. I'm like 56. That would be crazy to me if they win 56 games. I mean, okay.

One, it is a big difference. That would be crazy to me. But also, and maybe they're exempt from it because they're at the top of the league, but the whole league is different. Like, you're not going to have as many games against just complete, where the other team is completely mailing it in. True. You will have

you will have about five, five to six. more games that are actual NBA games and I mean we see stuff happen all the time so I can't see them getting to 56 so the 60 is not that's not what I'm basing them off of obviously at at this point in their championship robust every single year yeah she missed a lot of games last year jadip was hurt for a majority of the year age of Mitchell always hurt 64 wins last year 56 to me would be completely shocking okay so what you want to put second two seed yeah loki I don't think any team has a chance to pass them besides the thunders besides the spurs blaze on two seed realistic no i think they could drop but real realistic is probably 65 wins in a conference championship

appearance i would say one seed let's see what happens with them versus spurs who knows yeah and i mean realistically probably they lose the spurs again because they've shown no reason for us to pick them for real well i mean injuries in the seven seed i mean injuries in a seven game series so like obviously i can make the case but for most people i think realistically could just be losing to the spurs again that's fair to say right now. They're, yeah, man,

I'm not going to be that person. But, you know, most people will. Yeah. Yeah. Man, that's serious with cinema.

Man, man, that picture of Wemby crying, grabbing his hand. Yeah, like this. His head is massive,

bro. He had a claw on his head. Oh, man. He thought it was free eats. That's crazy. Everybody besides Knicks fans did.

What a crazy fucking run that was. Nobody was picking the dicks. What an run. All right. Next. Ah. New Orleans Pelicans. Oh, 15. 15. Floor? Floor. I don't think they're better

to be 15. Yeah. This is too much talent. Post-de-jonte comeback last year, they were more competent than that. I don't think the floor is that low. No, I do think they need I remind you the Kings exist. They can go ban for bandwidth. That's a tough accusation. Roll the ball out? They can't. They can't. They can. I'm not going to have this argument.

You for more than 15 more seconds. You know what? What you just said? You said they can. Bro, they were 11 last year and they're going to be better this year. Don't bring it. No, they are not. Why would they be worse than last year?

They're not going to be better than 11. Why would they be worse? Why are they going to be better? Because Joe Dumas said they were. Everybody's helping out. Dejantamore is fully healthy. Zon's coming in healthy. Year two of the young guys.

But it is not happening. Sadiq Bay is going to have another good year. They have a new head coach here who's going to place a better defensive infrastructure. Like, they're not going to be as bad. They're gonna be bad But not as bad Hey man 15s are fucking

I think that's the floor I think things can get Very late early for them I'll say the floor is 13 to me Yeah 13's fair I think they can get pretty low And honestly the 13 to 15

Isn't very different So we say floor is Back to number one pick talks Yeah But we can just put it that way That these teams are all gonna be there Yeah they're gonna be in there Regardless

Let me see I'm just trying to see I'm just trying to see What the difference is The difference between... It was four wins last year. Yeah. They could be four games worse.

Which four wins is a decent amount? The middle of the biggest amount. So we can't basketball. Yeah, but these teams are tanking. Like, it's hard. These teams are trying to catch them that they just can't because the teams are tanking better. It's hard to be the 15 seed.

Like, low key, it's very hard to be the 15 seed. I'm saying, I don't think that gap. I think four games is very attainable, especially when you know that the teams at the bottom are the teams in 14 and 15, the ones who did try very hard to be there when they're trying to be a little bit closer up, I think a lot can get caught in the shuffle.

And the pelicans can be 15. Okay, so Florida, let's just say, worst team in the conference. Trash. Trash, sure. There you go. Sealing. Playing.

Is there ceiling, man? They have no ceiling. Oh, my God. The corruption. They have a house. There's no roof. There's nothing there. I don't have to take it away.

What's the ceiling? There's nothing there. Tell us what's your ceiling. There is none. None. Blake? Yes. We'll see what's the realistic.

No roof. I don't know. Relocation. Relocation is the realistic outcome. Oh, man. As you guys, your team snatched from you by force. We put them in Seattle. That's funny.

There you go. Mexico City. Yeah, that's tough. Minnesota Timberwolves. Lamello Ant, scary sight. What's the ceiling? Ceiling? Conference Finals appearance

Game 7 Losing to Shea in the conference finals again I'll say seven games Conference finals appearance They're not taking the Thunder to 7 You push anybody You have to take step forward You push this thing as much as possible

Losing to Shea again in the conference finals That's their ceiling Specifically, Western Conference Finals lose DeGh Because that's Anthony Edwards destiny in life Is to beat a Clyde Drexler To She's microphone What if they beat him in the second round Doubt.

Now, man. Glaze, Mo. We talked about a couple of months ago. That's his destiny is to be the little brother in the shadow. They never gets to beat him. Nah, man. That's his destiny. He's not playing fair.

Neither was Clyde. I was dunking real good. Oh, man. Clyde was dunking real good. He was playing very fair. Has that reached Clyde's peak shit? No. No?

Clyde couldn't go left. What are you doing? I'm afraid you can fly whatever What's the floor? Worst case scenario? Worst case scenario? Yeah, succeed. First round exit?

Yeah, they don't have a lot of variance to him, do they? Fifth, 60s, I'm like... Well, should we, should we like... Lemelik has heard a lot. He's up and down. Like, he's a different type of play style. Like, what if it does not mesh super well? Is that possible?

Yeah, him is... And also, John and Mingo, like, just be in a mouse. It's tough. Should we assume that those guys just mesh together? Is there a world where it doesn't? I think I'm very happy assuming it mesh as well. I think it will too, but if we're examining the floor. So how many, there's a hundred worlds, how many of them don't mesh?

I don't know. Because I think... 20? I'm thinking like seven. I think those two specific, whether the rest of the team comes together, that's a different story. I feel like we should learn by now that it's never that easy as it seems. I think the two of them, though, at least offensively, will mesh very well. But there's no at least.

Like, it's a whole team thing. Like, the realities of doing that, like, I think. I feel there's surely more than 7 out of 100 that doesn't work. I think it might not be them who, those two specifically who end up being a fifth or sixth seed, but it's a depth around those guys and the coming

to come in a bite their ass. They're going to be treacher's twins. Yeah, I think they're going to be fine and keep them with a little regardless. Is the other things in the back end that will pay this scene or pain this scene. But you got a boy who takes too much food. Like he's going to be a problem, right? He might be fine. He might be an issue. You have

no bench depth. Rudy is Rudy going to be able to hold down the What is Terry Shannon Jr. going to look like? You know exactly. I'm done asking that question. You know exactly what it looked like. Those are important questions, at this point, we're going to have to be in the middle of the season

and Tarynan Jr. is going to have, like, we're going to have to watch and play. I'm going to be like, I'm genuinely surprised. Thank you for showing me that because I did not know that you could do this. That's why I'm at with Taryn Shannon Jr. Yeah. Fair. So. So what's the floor? 60.

Yeah, fifth succeed, something like that. Actually, can they be playing? No, probably no. Zero chance. Zero chance. Yeah. There is a chance. I mean, obviously, but right now, no.

Realistic, just second round exit again? Yeah. I can see that. Continue to get belted by those thunder. By the thunder only. She's owning them. All right, next. Phoenix Suns.

Ceiling. Seven seed last year. How did they build on that? What's the best case scenario? I bet eight seed last year. Are we 8th C you last year? They were 80 again

Yeah, AC'd still Yep, that's your ceiling As you do the same thing You hope to achieve the same high As you found last year You made no realistic roster improvements at all You decided to bring in

Miles Bridges Yeah, no That roster Destruction Stinks and also you lost Mark Williams too AC is like the absolute And a lot of Sunsfan

would be happy as fuck with that too Yeah, floor They're gonna try really hard So actually But everybody tries hard now With the lottery odds Loki the floor is like 12 It could fall out

Yeah. Yeah, I'll say 13. I don't know. I think they're too stable to be 13, but whatever. Realistic. Realistically speaking, they're probably like a nine. Bottom of the plan. Yeah, like bottom of the plane.

They might not make it. I'll say real estate is probably 11. Do you think no one's going to make the place? Who's going to make it? Ten. What the fuck? Say yeah, you suck, you suck I have a very clear

I have a very clear tier of who I think It's gonna make the playing The season is starting to come into focus for me And I think I have my teams That I think are gonna make it He just wants to get rid of the players Yeah, exactly I've said it before yes

But like But not in the situation They're really like With one of the worst teams in the play In nine or ten, whatever it falls It's a one game difference I just know the maps

Are gonna be in it That's it Never been more confident Anything ever but the year to a Cooper flag maps 20 year old Cooper flag Hell he had to the moon

All right next one Golden State Warriors Can they be a top 16 ceiling If Jimmy Butler was here already Maybe I could convince myself He'd that come about to January The ceiling's like seven or eight

They disgust me Me All right ceiling seven floor nine Realistic eight We just know what they're going to be Same shit bro Last year Well, I should have 10.

Yeah, that's the floor. All right, 10 is the floor is still 10. How many games in Curry play last year? Like 40? Not a lot. I think floor should be, might be like 12, bro. They might get the number one overall pick.

Honestly. I think they're going to get the number of four pick last next year. Okay, Floor. New lottery odds. You get the number one overall pick. Okay, number one overall pick, Florida. If we do believe that the lottery odds are, are rigged, that's not a bad thing to give Curry the number one pick on his last one.

Like, I think that's, I think that's okay. Yeah, it's cool. I mean, he can't do much with it because he's young. Yeah. But who knows? Realistic. What are you giving him? Probably 90s.

Yeah, we can move on. 9-seat. Bye. Yeah. You can be better than the Mavs? Realistically? 10. No.

Also, yeah, I think the Mavs are like, they're 10. That's it. They have way more depth than these guys. Saltiel Adama's on the, on the Mavs. Wait, yeah, he's on the Mavs. Low-key, realistic, I think it's just still 10. I think it would be the same as last year. 10, move on.

This team is just who they are. Well, actually, is it helped that Jimmy Brother comes back at the end instead of being there at the beginning? Come back at the end. Yeah, they're going to need Jimmy badly. Get the number one overall pick. Yeah, okay. All right, next.

Denver Nuggets. Championship roster is deteriorating year by year. No more Peyton Watson. What's the ceiling? Their ceiling is three. seed at the best case scenario. Three seed in playoff waxing. And the days of them being the best

playoff teams are far behind us. We haven't seen Yokish go band to band with one of the best teams in the NBA in several years. It's just been two years. That's, yeah. The last time was three years ago. The last time he had his fighting chance. Yeah.

Two years, that's a couple. But it's been three since he did it. Three is few. Four more is like several. It's very important. Are several of views synonymous? I mean, yeah, relatively, like they mean relatively the same thing, but this kind of... But now in this context?

Yeah. Okay. I'm glad you clarified. Three seed specifically and playoff waxing. They're not going to be a team that can beat the top two guys. It's not happening. What's the floor? Six seed and playoff waxing.

You will get destroyed by the spurs or the thunder. You pick which round it is first or second. And you're thoroughly done with them, man. Thoroughly done with them. I mean, if they're a six seed, are they beating the Lakers in the forest? first round? Maybe just to get the early waxed by the spurs. I don't care who they'd be in the first round. They'd be in the rockets? Maybe, maybe not. No. I think so. That that playoff waxing can be by anybody's hand, but they will get destroyed in the playoffs. I'll tell you. Five one. Four one.

What did you say? Four one. Four one. Yeah. Oh, if they play the top two teams, yeah. Realistic. I'm thinking four or five, fifth seed and playoff waxing. Okay. Waxing will be in play regardless. Yeah, somebody's getting waxed. Somebody's going to put on a t-shirt. And it's probably

Jamal Murray in history for being a first round exit or just being waxed in general. You enter a playoff series, you'll lose feeling terrible. Whatever round it is,

you get fucked. I don't know where it goes, which round and you're getting destroyed 4-1. Okay. You tell me, dealer's choice.

Get waxed. Get waxed. Get waxed. All right, next. Utah jazz. It might be a decent range of outcomes here.

It's a If Kessler was here, I would have gotten cute and maybe said succeed or top six seed, whatever you want to put it on. But no Kessler, I'm not quite as optimistic about that. Yeah, I don't know how the whole center rotation is going to really work out fully because now you don't even have a solid backup or consistent backup. I'm going to say your ceiling is like 8th, 7th scene. I'm going to say 8th seed because the defense is going to be in flux to me.

And I don't know, it's going to be hard to like managements between Ace Bailey, Darren Peterson Darren Jackson Jr. It's a lot going on. I think it's a minute to figure it out. Fair range. Last year they were the 15th seed. Now they won't tank quite as egregiously.

They're jumping up. Floor 13? And they know the method. They're going to be mid, bro. You're right. They're really good at tanking. They do know the method. They know the method.

The bottom four is the teams that are in the relegation zone? Bottom three. Some three? In each conference? Okay. I thought it was four. four teams total in the league.

I don't remember. I got to reread the rules. I think it's the bottom four teams in the league are in relegation zone, so they won't be there. So Floor, 13 seed. They want to allow themselves to be one of the two ways in the conference. It'll be impossible to do that. Yep, yeah. They're definitely good enough to be a smooth 11 or 12.

Realistic. I know, it's the bottom three teams in the league. Okay, so it's not four. Regardless. I think floor's 13 seed. Realistic, smooth 12 or 11, I think. There's a lot of good teams out there. Say 11 seed. I think I'll pick the Mabs and Grizzlies to stock. over them more.

Actually, maybe not grizzlies. That's doing too much. Yeah, Mazz, for sure, I would. They do have two all-stars and Keonti George is ascending. Darren Peterson, top pick. Maybe 11 seed is fair. You can rock me with them.

They can get to 9. They can be better in the Mavs. They can be better than the Mavs. They can be better than the Grizzlies. The Suns. So I think realistic is... Dude, there's so many, like... I think at 11...

And all those teams are gettable, though. That's fine. All those teams are jams are getting better than low-key, the ceiling might be seven. Yeah. Like they can be better than all those teams that I won't be that shocked.

Okay, I wouldn't either. This is a ceiling play. Again, this isn't a prediction. Sealing, that's super pop. Those teams suck that I just said. There's no way they can get to settle. I think. Okay.

Okay. Come on now. The motherfucker certain about everything. But realistic 11? I can wrong with that. Probably. Okay. Yeah.

If they are still a year away from contending, in a playing context. It just takes a little bit more time. You need one more role player piece. Mind you, I think we've said, dude, there's 13 teams we're talking about. We put them all on the top of the left. That's what kind of act.

That's the state of it. It's good. It's six really good teams and like six more that are just whatever, but they're also close to the same kind of whatever that it looks like a good conference. Yeah. All those teams are food, honestly.

We just named. Not bad. Thanks. Sacramento Kings. 15. crossed the board, man. All three, no more words? Yep.

You will be the 15 seed? Yep. So when we do our predictions in two weeks, I better not see anybody get cute and put him in 14. Bro, I'm straight. Are you feeling cute? Don't do that.

Oh, you do that. Really? Let's talk on with me. I promise. I promise. I promise. I can tell you're feeling cute and you're going to do that.

I think they're going to trade some money. He's saying, I promise, you can't see his hand. His fingers across. I know you're lying through your teeth. Yeah. The spurs. Well, floor, I mean, sealing is clearly win the championship.

Yep, of course. And the Wembe Air, the ceiling, the Wembe Air begins, and you win a championship with a little pushback. Like, sealing is we did just dominate the league in the second year of contention, and nobody can fuck with us. Yeah. What's their floor look like? Two seed.

Two seed. What about in the playoffs? Two seed, lose the thunder? They can, they can fall to the three seed. I think that they can get, that they can get that. I think they're going to be farming wins, bro. These two teams are head and shoulders. I think there's, again, barring injury, which is going to say for anybody,

to me, if they're healthy-ish, literally no chance they fall at the top two. Yeah. I think there's two teams that will win 60 games and then 13 other teams have no chance of winning 60. You're going into year three, Stefan Castle. Who knows how good Dylan Harbor is going to be in year two. Darren Fox is going to be healthy again. Wemby just keeps on getting better and better.

You got your good old vets and Harrison Barnes and Tobias Harris is there now too. They're a better team. They got better. They got better, like to me pretty clearly And we don't feel that much better by any of these other motherfuckers around them They're floors too Floors two two seed I do I think like those two are in stone Their head and shoulders better than everyone else

Except for O'KC obviously I make the fun is I can see the three seed I can see I can see anybody fall into to three I don't think that it's gonna just be I think you can in theory But what team do you think we're not doing theory right now? No I mean it's easy to say that but like if I if you actually thought like which team could actually pass them. I don't think you actually feel there's a chance of I think I do think that there's a chance that the Lakers can get to to the two

C that one of these two teams dropping that the Lakers have a very successful regular season and get up there to one of the top seeds. I think I think they're they're the only one that I feel like over or I feel the strongest about about them and then the only other team that I feel potentially could do that just because of the range of variance that they have is Minnesota, but I don't, I don't, I wouldn't bank on it in any sense. But I think that their range of outcomes, if everything just goes perfectly, I think those two teams could potentially get up there. I think those teams are way too flawed for me to get there.

Yeah, no, like there's a little way something could happen. Something like that could happen is if like a meteor strike specifically San Antonio. That is true. There's a bioweapon attack on San Antonio. We're talking about theory. See, and I just, I just don't think that we need biow warfare for, why? First of all to three. I'm certain we do.

And that's what we did. That's what we did for. I don't think it's a world, a world ending event if they get to three. I do think we need nuclear fallout if it to happen. So realistic. Do you think they make the finals? The bombs drop.

Yeah, realistically, I think they presses the button. No, realistic. Do they win the finals? Is that realistic? Realistic, back to conference finals. Roll the ball out. We'll see who wins. Seven game series,

Western Conference Finals. I don't know what to call it. Yeah, I think they're belting whoever is in the finals for these. I think they won the finals realistic. That's what you said last year. People don't learn for the mistakes. Yes again. That's crazy.

I'd do it again. Meanwhile, he's in the same thing with the Lakers. Me, I won't. I learned. Overhappening them. They're expecting too high for the medium outcome, I'd say. But yeah, I think realistic is Western Carverts finals game seven. We'll see who wins this time.

Yeah. Do y'all have any confidence in who to call right now? Right now, no. I honestly feel better about the thunder. Me too, but it's like so little margin that I'm like, I don't know. Like I'm going to pick them, I guess, but it doesn't really mean much to me. It's just like, I have to see one of these two guards in AJ Mitchell or Kaysson Wallace. Maybe he's going to be AJ Mitchell, like take a serious, serious leap as a shooter.

Which age is already there, I guess, but more so is like Kaysen because he's going to eat up a lot of those minutes. I don't really care about anybody making a leap in thunder. I know who they are. To me, it's just like maybe the spurs take a big. step. And I don't know how to account for that. You can't account for year three stuff on or year two, Harper. I mean, the Harper reason is the only thing that I'm kind of caught up on because I do think that he's going to be better. And I think that he's obviously going to be an improved player,

but also the shooting does have to come around. And, you know, like there are a number of things to his game that the way that we're talking about Dylan Harper and the he's going to reach, he still does have to prove that he can do those things for sure. In year two. So that's the only reason why I think I'm holding off on like, oh, Spurs number one seed, they're going to walk.

I need to see that a little bit. It's just tough when it was a two-game gap last year. I'm like, that's a rounding error. Like, that could go either way so easily that I truly have no confidence either way. Yeah. Okay. I think it's the last team. Portland Trailblazers. Man, I don't have any stock in this team.

They can be, so they can be a playing team. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think the, the, the next thing should be their floor. The question to me is the ceiling. With this goofy-ass guard group here with Jodd, Dame, Scoot, Drew, Shade, and like all these motherfuckers playing the same spots, I don't really have any faith in the ceiling that matters. So to me, the ceiling is what they were last year, seven seed.

Yeah, okay, fair. That's perfectly right. Seven seed, floor, playing, realistic. Well, floor, I think the floor, they could, we need a lot of teams that could be the plan. They could fall out. I don't think they can. I think they can.

I think their defense will be too good. I think Klingen coming into what year three as well or four. I think we're going to see another, not seismic leap or whatever, but I think he should be head and toes like one of the five best from protectors in the game. But what if... He's no Kessler. What if...

What if Dame coming off this Achilles is looking rough? What if Jai just isn't who... Like he just can't reach that level of... And both of those things are quite likely. A potential again. Drew's playing well, but he's also. old like there's a lot of things that can fall out from the guard position you're already missing shading sharp if tumani kamas misses any time the perimeter defense is fucked that's a lot

of burden on one guy it can get bad i think 14 is kind of in the in the cards 14 deep nah i think they're just too i'll just say the floor is missed the play i'll just phrase it that way floor is missed the playing and you're going to be competitive you can just you can just miss it by a game or two and that's super possible i do have to i have to push back on that two stable of a team is actually the worst thing that you can say about this team. Nah, stable meaning like they're not the Kings. That's what stable means to me in the West.

I don't think they're that far from me, the Kings. Like, I don't think they are. But like, if they have a year from hell, I don't think that's massively shocking. Mind you,

coach got arrested by the feds last year. We're talking about stability. Last year was so crazy. How was that like, we're talking about stability. There's a lot of things on their team that can go wrong. Yeah. So let's just say floor missed the play in.

What's realistic? probably the 9 seed I think they fall down a little bit I think that there could be some of the teams that jump up ahead of it Realistic make the plane There we go

There's gonna be like 10 teams in the play I know no I know bro It's all gonna be like separated by like two or three games Each and every fucking seed We guys come It's not like red ass It's really not great Yeah

It's interesting though And that's the ceiling of floor For every team in this conference