The Deep 3 Podcast - The Floor & Ceiling For Every NBA Team In The East | TD3 Clips

Episode Date: October 7, 2026

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We are going to see every team in the Eastern Conference and give our opinions for their floor, ceiling, and realistic outcome. We did this last week for the Western Conference teams. Today, we finished it off with the Eastern Conference. This was highlighted last week by Donovan loving the Lakers and hating everybody else. What will we see today? We also saw everyone be a playing team as well.

I think prediction. In the West Fair. Yeah. Loki. Prediction. Donovan loves the Knicks and hates everybody else. that's pretty accurate that's just reality

first team up at Lano Hawks what is their floor worst case scenario probably 9C playing yeah playing yeah

they're too good to follow the plane they have too many good players so so I guess floor 10 sure general playing range whatever the Eastern Conference I don't know how much of a difference is going to be between 8 and 11

so but I think playing for sure I'll be absolutely disgusted if the team was a playing team bro Really? Disgusted, yeah. Ceilings. 60. But three games above the plane. I think, I think.

There's absolutely no way you guys are. Absolutely no way. Absolutely no way that you guys are in top. Like you would bet your life on it. That you wouldn't be a top five. They can't be number five. Because that's what absolutely no way means. Now you stunter a little bit.

You know there's a way. Mind you, I haven't said a word. No. We're going to kill this guy. No way. If that, if that was the situation. situation and you did have some type of power, I would do it. You lock in your ass.

I think ceiling is five seed. I think the East is super deep this year and there's like, there's going to be four teams that are like serious they can win the conference. And I think best case scenario they can be right below that. Yeah. I think five seed, bro, drop that down. There's absolutely no way. It's absolutely no way. It's possible.

You're so, so sure. I promise you there's no way there are top five feet. No way. There's no way. As a ceiling? As a ceiling? You want to hear the way? Kauai gets hurt.

LeBroni to B get hurt. Tyrese Hallibird is a little slow to come back. All these, so many players. Palo and Fron just don't work. There's no spacing on the heat. All this could go mediocre and they're just chugging along, 49 wins. We're like out of all the teams in the East and Carvers is going to get all these

drastically teams. All that happened last year, they would have succeeded. Like, they're not getting up to five. No. It's not happening. You got to war for one seat. It's not happening. We don't think differently about the team.

It's one number. That's not happening. Those two games, Mo. Those two games. Come on now, man. Realistic. Eight, seven. I think six is realistic for me personally.

But they're so, again, so they're going to be better than what. Sixy. Nicks. Y'all suck. Nix, Celtics, Pistons, calves, raptors, pacer's, heats. That's a lot of good teams in this fucking conference. You know, wait. I'm going to get top of my face.

Bro, crazier things happen. What you mean? I think we can say that for the ceiling. I think realistic. What happens when the net to pass y'all up? Then what? Then if they do that, that means we're all in hell, buddy. That's not happening on this god to be the earth.

I'm probably going to be the eight seed. Did you say the magic in that? In those eight? I don't know. No, he didn't say the magic. No. There's absolutely... Maybe he heard all the time, bro.

I'll say realistic eight seed. Top half of the plane. So really what we're saying is realistic is top half of the plane. Floor is the bottom half of the plane. The range of outcome is quite small here. They are who they are. Come on now. It's not playing now.

It's not playing. It's fine. Whatever. It's not playing, bro. Realistic? Yes, it is realistic. Again, you can, you could, you could, who do you think y'all are? I think we're a six normal six C team that has made the least amount of drastic changes.

We have dealt with. That's the problem. No, it's not. Everybody else. We made our changes literally last year. And then we just added a fucking lottery talent, lottery level of talent. in Kingston Funmings. And we, of course,

added blue door, nice, Aaron Wigg is nice. But in terms of like having camaraderie, like we have that shit. We don't have to go through any warts like the pistons who didn't really make too much changes.

We have no weird contract. You see our influence? We don't have no old vets. And now the building block of your team has to be fresh. I mean, it's true. That's what we have,

right? No, I think they're a good team. I think they can be the 16 clearly. I think if they're closer to shit on my surprise. It's just there's so many teams that got better that.

somebody can't nobody team dribble Aaron wiggins come on me you already broke this down two games you bashed you over the head somebody can dribble what are you talking about next to you over the head yes two games what's the next team

Chicago Bulls they could be really bad yeah the floor could be 14 seed they could just they can just suck shit that's super possible 14 seed they could just be terrible they could be one of the worst teams it's been a minute that they have been to 14 C

Brown I think this is the best day of their team and the floor is always that low I don't think they'll be there but the floor is there. Okay. You know, I got a good floor. There's no reason

they have to be a good team for sure. 14. Steep. They could be one spot below the hawks. Yeah. 14th seed is sweet. Sealing.

I don't really, and the east is so deep. I don't see them being of top 16. If they're a 9th seed to 1st. No, they could get to 9 and 10.

I think that's the absolute ceiling. Okay. Sealing. Yeah. They've been like the 11th seed for the last four years straight, right?

Well, perfect. We have perfect. Even math here. Floor 14, ceiling 9, Realistic 11. Right between. Let's keep it pushing.

Great. Perfect. They are who they are. Easy math. Who's the next team? Toronto Raptors. Ceiling, you're in the finals. I think if we get a slightly better year from hurdle and quickly in Barrett stay healthy and we get a good vision of what that starting lineup can look like and it works.

And Kauai is healthy. That team could represent the east in the finals as a ceiling. See, the Kauai's healthy thing is just, that's just hard for me to get to. I agree. Yeah. That's why it's a ceiling, not the realistic. And we're going best case scenario, but even that, I don't know if, even in the East, I don't know if quickly and Barrett are good enough to, to carry you in terms of, like, your, your, your rotation for, for, for, for three rounds. I won't pick them either, but I do think they have a chance to win the East.

It's whatever chance. I think it's in cards as a ceiling. Yeah, I think they have a greater amount of deaths to do those things. And I don't think quickly, quickly and Barrett are more additive than they are like not good to. Yeah. Because they will not be my final pick. But if someone tells me they are, I will not say they're stupid. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have it. Yeah, I think it's... No, no, I'm also assuming they make a move at the deadline and, like, bolster maybe another... Get another big or something? Yeah, or whether it be a fit starter or a six-man, like, I think, I'm just assuming they, like, continue to build on this a little bit. The Mallory's on the way. Well, that's crazy. You probably getting to jobs.

I do think it's as a ceiling, I think it's possible. Floor. Floor is playing. So many good teams, yeah. It's a lot of good teams. Kauai misses a month and a half. You fall down. What were they last year?

They were the five seed. No, four seed, I think. Last year, they were the five seed. Yeah. Yeah. So they can definitely drop down. Okay. Realistic.

Probably three seed. I don't see three or four seed. I think four. I would say, yeah. So home court advantage. Yeah. A top four seed. Yeah.

Only because it's so tough with the other competition. No sign on in. Yeah. Yeah. I just think their defense is just so good. Yeah.

Realistic outcome is tier two Eastern Conference team that can make people shake. Sure. They can make cats knees buckle.

Okay. Next. Miami Heat. I think a lot of teams in the East we're going to say the ceiling is can't make the finals because there's

so many good teams. Do the heat belong in there? Yes. 100% they do. I think their defense is fucking stupid. As a ceiling, yeah,

can make the finals. But they need to make a deadline move. They need to get some type of doing your ball handling reinforcement brother they have clay ball handling enforcement we have clay

dummy maybe the ceiling is Eastern conference finals yeah I don't I don't know if their rotation is good enough to get them over the home year away one more mid-level exception piece added yeah so I'll say East the Conference Finals for the ceiling I think I agree with that I think they can be extremely good but it's hard for me to imagine they get through four playoff rounds

with the deficiencies they have unless they add something major but their strengths are like are up absurd, man. They could be the best defense in the fucking. We see more balanced teams beat these teams with an absurd strength a lot. True. They have absurd strengths,

but if the Knicks are playing it did before, there's not the weaknesses. Yeah, I could see that. They're not shooting the Knicks, bro, unless the Knicks fall off. I don't think anyone in the league can do that right now. Well, if they're playing how they last year, your damn shoot, right?

They're not. But they probably won't. The floor, floor is 60. I don't think they're not a playing team. Yonis wins regular season games. Yonis and Ben. defense and the heat they win they win game i think the force should be loki like fucking five

seed four seed okay either way top six team so good you don't fall to the plan top 16 for sure yeah uh realistic uh uh it's so tough with this jumbled up amount of good teams here it should probably probably be like if we're splitting the the difference it's the same like about as good as the raptors right like like Like four or five range? Four. Realistically, they might be four C. But we can't say that for everybody.

Maybe it's better to rate them off the playoff outcome. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I think realistic. I actually don't know what the realistic playoff outcome is. Yeah. Because they can make the comment. Like, if they get into the second round and let's say they play like the pistons or something, and now you have Duren who's trying to make a leap,

but he's going up against Janice and Bam. And their entire defense stifles the pistons again. They don't make a move for a set. That's a bad matchup for the Pistons. Right. Like they don't make a move for the, for another creator. Then I can see them in the conference finals.

What? Does his conference finals realistic? I feel like even the ceiling of the conference finals, once they're there, what's stopping them from making it all the way to the finals? The shooting. Yeah. The shooting.

I just think that one of these, one of these other teams will be able to have a little bit more firepower than them. Yeah. Okay. Realistic. Hard fought second round exit? Respectable second round exit. Sure.

Sure. It feels a little bit disrespectful, but a lot, like you said, a lot of the stuff is jumbled up. Yeah, there's just a lot of good teams out there. Okay. New York Knicks. Sealing. Back-to-back champions.

Finals again. Yeah. Stamp it. Floor. We trade Cat in February because he's really upset about his contract. And we fall off after winning the championship because nobody repeats anymore. The camera she dies. We're not friends anymore.

Oof. And Cat plays across the country. Across the country where? Anywhere? Portland. Floor, it all falls apart. The country dare right there. It's cooked.

Realistic. It's not cooked. I think realistic conference finals minimum. Yeah, that's the expectation. Like, they just do that type of thing now. They make it deep. So Eastern Conference Finals minimum. But like you can wear.

win that and I kind of expect I expect you're back in the finals probably I agree I'll say conference finals okay next ooh Indiana Pacers they can make they could win the Eastern Conference but do you feel confident to say it's their ceiling like is it their ceiling yeah okay they can they can make the finals this year mm yeah if we're just assuming Tyrese Halliborne's Tyre's Halliburton there's no reason to say they can't be the second the Knicks are going to be the favorites to win the conference. After that, there's so many teams jumbled up, there's no reason to say the Patriots can't be in that tier. And I feel so much better

betting on Hallibirn because he did take a full year off. Yeah. As opposed to, you know, nine months or something like that. So, I feel good about where the paces are at. I feel good about Bazuibos giving them, like, that upgrade over Miles Turner is

massive. Yeah. Because even in the series that they beat the Nixon, Miles Turner was getting fried by Kat. Like, they they actually have somebody who can bang a little bit down low with him. So I would say, I would say finals for them. The floor?

The floor is playing. I do think that, even though the I am very high on Halliburton, if everything that we've discussed today, that he starts off slow, it takes a little bit of time. We've seen him go through some slumps. We've seen that offense be weird.

Like, what if it just, what if they are the ultimate flip the switch team and they're like a post-all-star team? team, a post-off star break team. I mean, I could see that happening because even like two years ago when they did make the finals, they started off the season mad slow. I remember you had like your rant, your Telethiope outfit.

Tyre's Alabama specifically was like he was not good at basketball at all. He was horrible that first month, bro. Yeah, exactly. So I can, same thing could happen. Playing is just so steep for me. It's hard. It's hard, but. This team is much different from the team that was casted two years ago.

And guys like, of course they have Seacom now fully. And guys like Nemhard got quietly better last season. No one just gives the fuck last two years ago or last year you saw like, what, 29% from three point line. This past year you saw like 36, 37, you know? So it's like, I think this team is well insulated to be like Tyrese Halliburne slow start to the season, prove unless he's like this plane making is just way off. We're talking a lot about all these teams and somebody has to follow playing.

I actually do think they're immune from that barring injury. I do think they're florist. Immune. Okay. I mean, maybe it means the wrong word. I don't mean to mean literally. But like when we're outlining the range of outcomes, like anybody can get hurt so they're not immune literally. But assuming decent outcome health-wise, I think a lot of the teams in the East have way more question marks than they do.

Like the Philly thing, if they fall to the 7th C because LeBron and Juele and B missed games and it's hard to figure out how to build chemistry in that time, okay, Kauai could get hurt. The Cavs, James Hardin's oldest dirt. That could fall apart for the regular season. There could be no spacing in the heat, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I don't think the Patriots have that type of question mark, assuming they're healthy. It's very boring, but I feel like the floor for a lot of teams is playing just because there's nine teams fighting for six spots. Yeah. Outside.

I feel confident that they're going to be that six team, I think, at least. So we have, what, like three teams already that are top six, like, stamped? Yes, so far. Okay. I know again, so funny. When we did the Western Conference last week, people were bad at us because we wouldn't let anybody get to have final ceiling besides the top two teams. His life. Here.

Fucking everybody can make the first. finals. Yeah. Very different conferences right now. I agree. Realistic. Four seat. Everyone's four seed of my mind.

Realistic, tier two Eastern Conference contender. Yeah, they're just in the bunch. It's that a cop out though. It is what it is. That's the state of this conference. Tier two Eastern Conference team. Yeah, we just have to put everybody in two. Yeah.

Okay. Next. Brooklyn Nets. floor, worst team in the conference. It's always possible. Yeah, you could tell me that MPJ gets hurt again or whatever and Julius Randall was just playing unhappy basketball. I believe it. Yeah, you can tell me they trade MPJ and they're just 15C because none of the young players are coming around fast enough. I guess it's clearly possible other than Nets. I think you might be stuck to be in that though because I doubt they want to

trade them. Unless they get like some insane offer. I think they, Randall stuck there, but I think they probably trade Porter. We'll see. Yeah, obviously they can be the worst team in the conference. it's possible. Yeah. Can they make the playing this year? Can they make the plan? They could. With two competent vets,

Joe Min and Fernandez. Amazing coach. Amazing coach. Yeah. If Mikhail Brown Jr. is like legit day one, he's like, no one gives a fuck,

but he's like one of the five best rookies in the entire league. I could see that. 10 seat ceiling. Average in like 13 points a game or whatever. Yeah. They'll have to be the last team. They'll have to be the last team

in the play if they make it. But sure. That is your bar. Yeah. 13 and 15 We're giving it 11, you can have 14 You can have 14

You can have 14 you can have 14 You can average 14 You can average 14 you're most guys You can do it You're a real player I'd flip that I'd say most guys Can average 14

Just because they're most guys Yeah Realistic Probably like 12 seed Actually what do we say For the Bulls We say 11 Yeah

To 12 I guess Okay Yeah realistic 12 seed What's hopefully a year In which your young players Make strides You flip MPJ for picks And you take a step

in the right direction. I think they're better, they're gonna be better than the Bulls, low key. I just don't care about that combo. I'm fine with them.

You can have that. I think it's better than the Bulls. The Bulls can be 12, they can be 11. Okay. I probably do, I probably do agree

though if I thought about it. Washington Wizards. East is so crazy. The floor, if AD gets hurt again and Trey isn't as good as he once was, is you missed the playing

and are very disappointed. 13 seed. Worst team in the conference. worse? I don't think it'd be worse because if everything if everything bottoms up. If 80 gets hurt again, they can be the worst team in the conference. Well, he's not going to miss 82 games probably. So I think 80 getting hurt. He's going to play enough games. Tray. What's enough? Tray came, I don't know, whatever. 30? Whatever. Trace could be traded. That doesn't matter. Yeah, trade can be mid. You're still going to win some games. You do get a number one pick.

Sorry. People are taking steps forward. I don't think they can be worse than the bucks. That's hard to imagine. I, the bucks are too many established players. I was a, I did forget that the bucks were team. Yeah. Like, sure, in a nightmare scenario where AD plays 10 games, sure, but like that is... So 14.

14. They're gonna be a good team, I think. Like, they're gonna be like, cool. I agree. I do think that there's a doomsday scenario for them where they fall down. I also don't know if they have a good coach. Yeah, we don't know anything. Who knows?

He's as a dude. I think we should expect them to be a playing team as the, as the expectation. Oh, he said realistic. Yeah, realistic. I think we should expect that. going to be a playing team. Oh, okay. So to me, the floor,

which would be, this would be disappointing is you don't make the plan with two star players on max contracts, a number one pick, and a slew of young players we have faith in,

you should be a playing team, and I think just missing that as a floor is a massive disappointment for this team. Okay, so floor misplanned. Okay. Like that would,

that would be disappointing. That would be disappointing. You just gave trading on $40 million a year for no reason. And you still got AD and you can't make the playing? Hell of bread.

Like, that's crazy. That would be such a fucking failure. Yeah. What's her ceiling? Six-seat. Yeah, you just barely escaped to play in. Five. First team out to play in.

That'll be great. That'll be such a success for them, bro. Sixies. Wizards, that'd be kind of late. If Trey, you know, he lost that weight. He said Rob Blinka made me get fat. I didn't want to do this. I'm skinny now.

I feel good. You play 60 games. Trey Young's back. Yeah. They can be the 60s. Amen. Let me not body. Is he you kidding?

This is not my buddy. Amen. This guy hates optimism. Let me calm That's the next team I'm not trying to be Yeah Cleveland Cavaliers

Don't know His favorite fucking team The Cleveland Cavaliers The floor is playing Floor is playing No one's not No it probably is Yes the hell it is

It's gotta be They can be good changes are We keep having this combo Come on man All their floor is a player They've never been that bad In a minute bro They've been so competent

But there's just so many teams They're like the one team in my mind where I'm like, I don't imagine. They've, they've stood through so much bullshit. They've never won like below 45 years and a minute. And eventually, and eventually it catches the team. You can't live your life like that. You're probably right. You're probably right.

They're the one team where I'm like, I don't see one where you make the play. You miss the plan, bro, or make it because. Can I? Go ahead. Go ahead. Can I retort? Go ahead. I would love it.

James Hardin, right. aging less efficient he's been aging he's been less and it gets to a point de mitch again instead of still doesn't adjust and his scoring takes a his scoring and his efficiency takes a step back well why this is all play playoff stuff you're talking about right now no i'm talking as we've seen it in the regular season but why would his regular season numbers take a step back because he's just not as good because we like why why would you call like james hard's old we've seen we've seen we've seen we've seen We've seen DeMitch for the last couple years, not have as efficient seasons, whether it be because of the setup up of the team or because he himself is gunning and taking more

responsibility of the offense, and we haven't seen the best version of him, whether that be with James Hardin right after Garland got traded. We've seen versions of him. Like, two years ago, we were like, okay, I don't know if it's DeMitch or Ant as the best guard in the league. Ant has lapped him. We're not even in those conversations anymore. I don't think that it's crazy to think that the D. Mitch in as like a, he's either 30 right now or approaching that in those seasons, taking a slight step back.

He's going to be mad. Last year he had the second highest efficiency of his career at 28 points per game. I don't know that he's showing signs of declines. All I'm saying. It could happen. You never know. But like, I don't know there's any reason to bet against him in the regular season context. We have not talked super highly for playoff reasons.

Yeah. Even in the regular season. season. No, in the regular season, they're, damn, they're not a machine necessarily. They do have their hookup, their hiccups. But having just a regular NBA team, you have two bigs who are good defensive players, one of them being elite immobile who won DPOI, not that long ago. You have, um, yeah, Watson there who's an interesting young player who can at least play

really good defense. Who we don't know is like is amazing. For sure. But having hardened two good defensive bigs and someone like Donovan Mitchell's like guaranteed at least 25 a night or whatever it is. That just lends you to roll into wins everything. I do agree. I think that 7C wouldn't be crazy.

I don't think your initial point is wrong. I just don't think that throwing in like, do you miss my fall off. I don't really have a reason to doubt him like I do hard. And it's not going to be like a complete falloff, but like, just a regular step back. I know what you mean.

I don't see why we break the step back like for anything other than like, shit, maybe. If Hardin had like some catastrophic injury or whatever, then it's like, ah, like. But even then I'm like, I don't know. I still think, I think they're just, but he's like 30.

He's six feet tall. So like it's always possible. I'm not saying you're insane. They was saying stuff about Brunson a year and a half ago. Like, oh, yeah. Brunton had 10 bag, or not even 10 bag in, but he had a rush threat. You was like, oh, yeah, the error is over.

You might want to trade him real quick. Listen, man. And now we're in October. That was a year month. And I can't be like, oh, yeah. I'm kind of curious about DeMitch. You can be curious. Okay, whatever.

I'll say floor. I think the, I think seven seed is a very reasonable floor. Sure, sure. I don't think it's ridiculous at all. Sure. I don't think it's ridiculous. Go ahead. Just know, you're now a cabs guy.

This is a moment established that. So when the calves have a week that's bad, he's going to kill you. Okay. I mean, everyone has a bad week. So, nevertheless you're going to die. You dug your grave. You're just on their nuts. They're going to be a regular team.

You forgot. He's a P. He's a P. Watson guy. Oh, I never did. I never was a Paine Watson guy. You have. You're doing Pant.

Watson guy. You're doing all this jumping up and now for Payton Watson for me to be a building a bouncy house for paint Watson. We did our top 30 young players in league. You ranked him top 30 over Palo. Only because Apollo. Did we rank Payton Watson? No. No. I did know. I just wanted to make a point about Palo. But you didn't have to put Watson on. I just used him as a puppet. That's all. Okay. I'm done with that. It's too much side. No fairs. Sealing back to the conference finals. I don't think they'll win it. But like, fuck no. Hell no.

There's no way they're making it. I think they're a first round exit. They're getting melted in the first round exit. Yeah. They're a first round exit for sure. There's too many teams. I was going to say they can just get there again because somebody has to get there in a conference that can't belize itself. So like they could get it's a ceiling. They can't do it.

No. Never mind. Fuck you. Fuck you. They played the two least equipped teams to be in the playoffs last year. I agree. I don't. And everyone got better in every ass.

Yeah, they're getting belted. Ceiling is second round. He got pushed to seven by the Raptors who had no offense. No, ceiling is first round exits. No, it's not. Yes, it is. They're not winning in the series this year. Yeah.

So why are you, you know, you're, you're, so definitive with these Easter conference teams this year. Because I just know a lot. What you mean? It's so jumbled up. Fuck. Yeah, I, I just don't. Okay, so second round. Maybe if, like, they play the heat and the heat.

With the pistons again. They're losing to the pistons. They lose to the pistons. We're all over the place. We like the pistons, but it's convenient. No, I think I just like the pistons more than that. Fair. Fair.

I guess I can't be bad at that. Realistic. Yeah. Realistic first time exit? That's how you're sure. Yeah. Okay. I'm just, I have no pains on them anymore.

I don't even know what to think. y'all got it my opinions for the cabs is just there's no variance is very firm bro obviously i feel like that mad variance charlotte hornets they can be the 13c they can they can drop out of the out of the plane and they can get lapped by some of these other young teams and your offense not falls apart but is very very different without lamello and you're trying to you know be in this space brandon miller doesn't take a step forward con takes a step back from a legendary shooting season. Yeah.

Like, it could fall out. It's gonna hurt my soul if that was fake and the con can't keep it up. And it, because that was, he looked like Clay Thompson. He can be good and still a very, very good three point shooter.

But the season that he had last year was insane. Yeah, yeah, the bar he set as a rookie is like, you should be Clay Thompson. Yeah. Like literally, you should be one of the great shooters

of your era. That's the bar he set in his rookie year. It's got to suck if he's not that. Yeah. So there's a lot of stuff that can take a step back. I can see a 13 C for them. Yeah,

floor is the Lamelelotet It was a disaster. Yeah. The defense is going to be atrocious next year. Realistic? I don't think they're going to be a good team particularly that matters. I think they're going to just miss the plan, honestly. They could be in the mix for the plan.

Yeah, in the mix. I think. Okay, realistic, 10. 10, 11, whatever. Realistic, you barely make the plan. Yeah. Sealing, you barely make the plan. Yeah.

I think we're judging them at their ceiling. You win a playing game. Fair. You win a play in game. Ooh, new tier. You're right. There you go. Winning the playing games.

I think there's, I think there's, I think there's, I think there's, I think. I will be very, very surprised that they're top 16. Yeah. Like that... Yeah, I don't... If they're top 16, that means that,

yo, Brandon Miller is a fucking all-star and same with Con Conypple, row. And I don't really see it on the Miller side. So to me, that would mean

Cinnipple is like the next elite shooting guard and, like, adds a lot of on-ball chops and is like... He becomes what we always hope that Clay could be if he had his own team

and has a real, which, you know what, maybe the rookie was legendary. We'll see. Okay. Next. Should have been a rookie in the year. All right.

Philadelphia 76ers. I mean, I think it's fair Even if we have our concerns The ceiling is make the finals Sealing's championship Sure, yeah, sealing can be championship If everything goes right with that talent And it beats healthy at the right time

Yeah, sealing is win a chip But man, the odds of getting to your ceiling With the team are very, very hard It's a fine needle to stretch. Yeah So the floor Floor is playing They have so much, so much outcome variance

I think they're top six team Yeah, I think they're top six Because they make the plan Last year which they didn't. I don't know how they could happen. Jaylen Brow just routinely stays healthy. The same thing except for everybody else, though.

Other teams got better. Like the same thing we've said for everybody. Yeah, but they got better too. I agree. But I do think there's a floor here where they have the most catastrophe with all the moving parts they have that LeBron's extremely old. Jwell and B's never healthy. But even without those two guys,

you still have a lineup of Maxie, BJ, Jalen Brown. Like, I think that they still have, they have so many built-in answers because of the amount of talent that they have that I don't see them falling below six. Okay. I wouldn't be shocked of their upper half playing team whatsoever. Just because even when they're all healthy, we have questions about the fit and like they can make it work

because they're so talented, but it's not like an obvious no matter what would be good. We have questions that even when they're healthy, you can take time to figure out how to utilize everybody. Yeah. As far as winning regular season games, I won't be shocked at all if they start slow to start the year. I think in terms of once the playoff comes around,

I would bet that they're a pretty good team that's not going to be a disaster playmout. But for the regular season, I definitely see a world in which things aren't like a high win count. Okay. You don't go succeed for the floor? Yeah. I think so, yeah. Okay.

Cool. Yeah, I think top succeed. Realistic? Listen, I know LeBron didn't leave his family for this, but realistic is probably second round exit. Damn. LeBron's sad. Has the realistic. Man.

Yeah. I could see you. I mean, history says with drawling beats on your team, you got a predestead outcome. True. It's kind of written the stars. Who are we to side against fate? Exactly. Let them get back.

I'm not Dr. Strange. What? They get bouncing the second round and what? I'm going crazy. What if it's the Celtics that bounce them? I'm going crazy. What are you going to do? Don't worry about that.

I'm worried about it. Don't. All right. Next. My guys. Boston Celtics. Sealing. Once again, I say, can make the finals.

I think they can make the finals Yes It's just that out Yeah No I'm just like Yeah I don't I don't want to be I guess

Yeah I do I think outside the Knicks I think the Celtics should be In that second tier of teams We all think have a chance Y'all don't think the heat are I don't want to be high on the heat but If you

To be fair I suppose the Celtics have shown us they also have some pretty big weaknesses that can come back to bottom in the playoffs like the heat do potentially. Yeah. So if you want to say conference finals, I'm not mad at it.

Yeah, I would say conference finals. Yeah. Because even, because you can... I'm high on them, bro. I think they're really good. They can get to the playoffs. So, like, their big rotation can fall apart very easily.

Yep. With Mitch and Mitch can be hurt for the wrong week. And then now all of a sudden, you still got catered back there. And it's like, all right, man. Like, hold it down for a please. Yeah.

Like, if, if Mitch gets hurt, And I'm optimistic that Derek White will bounce back. If he does not, I'm nervous about that. But I mean, they're the, they're Boston. For a playoff setting. Okay, playoffs in a fair. Yeah. But for a regular season setting, I think they should cruise and it should be like, I don't know, top four seed, maybe five seed or whatever.

There's always going to be some random role players coming out the woodworks and providing valuable basketball minutes for them. Playoffs setting different, though. You're right. Okay. So the conference finals is the ceiling. Okay. Floor. I mean, they lost in the first round last year.

First round exit? First round exit. I guess so. Maybe you're super limited still. You needed Jalen and Tate him together. Paul George isn't ready for the responsibility he has, the second creator. And you die by the three again. Okay.

Tough. Realistic. Take it round. Sure. Split the difference. I think so. I kind of think each conference finals can be realistic. But again, there's too many good teams to make that.

a realistic claim for anybody. Yeah. Okay. Next. Milwaukee bucks. Floor. 15. Ceiling. 14. Realistic. 15. I think that's perfect.

Smooth. There we go. That's the next team, man. Smooth. Finally, a team we agree on and understand. Yes. What? We understand their place in this world. Who's going to get a clue where?

Pissons about to get, tell the hero. We're vultures picking at these fucking, these corpse of a team. Pistons? Pistons? I think Hanmihock is only Why not?

Sound like a war type of guy. I can imagine the wars. Why not? I'll take them. A couple second round picks. They're going to go get Norm Powell, man. That seems like their vibe. Like, I don't think the pistons

doesn't feel like they want to bring in another, like, big hydrate. I think that'd be a good fit for Norm Powell. That makes sense. Yeah. Okay. Next. Detroit Pistons.

Florida's playing. floor is playing. Yes. Okay. I'd personally be shocked. I think they're going to be very confident. They're going to be very good regular season. I think the floor to me is embarrassing first round exit again.

That we look up and we say damn, this team didn't make any progress. Yeah. Okay. This is the floor. Should we make the floor Jalen Duren centric? Okay. Floor first on exit, Jalen Dern once again pisses down his leg. Yeah.

And nobody wants to trade for him because he pissed extremely hard. The stream was powerful. and everybody saw it and was like, don't want that. During disaster class. Okay. In first round specifically. That's the key part because if it's the first round again, this air is cooked, bro.

Sealing. I'll say conference finals. They damn near made it last year. Yeah. They were in a game seven to get to the conference finals. They were two game sevens on the way, on the road. They couldn't make it last year, man. Are they barely snuck out past the magic?

Yeah. They might be a second around. I don't, well, this is assuming that if you don't get the disaster class and Jalen Duren, the best case scenario is that he comes back from all this and it's like, I was embarrassed last year. I'm back. I'm back now. He doesn't have a massive, massive drop off.

You're still getting, you know, 18, 19 points, 9 to 10 rebounds. I actually. And you make the conference finals. And if Kate has another leap in him, then I'm. okay, you can have that. Your defense powers you, you can get there. So are we not entertaining the world? They win the East?

Nah. I think they can win the East. No, I don't understand the world. For a ceiling, I don't think you can win the East with the office. I understand the sentiment of like we doubt them. Before a ceiling, the ceiling doesn't include your 23 and 25-year-old All-Star are getting significantly better? I don't think they have, until you get that second creator, I'm never going to think

that your ceiling is winning three playoff rounds. Okay. Sealing conference finals then. Realistic. Second round again. I think realistic would just be the same team as last year. And we've once again into a summer where we said you've got to fix these issues.

It's a realistic, no change. Yeah. Which is a problem. All right. Last team. Orlando Magic. Everybody's favorite team. The floor is the 10 seat.

10? The floor is we trade Franz Wagner because it's a disaster. Damn. And we're changing this team entirely. Trade Franz. Okay. You think they do that in year one of a like I don't know if that would happen in year one of the new coast that they wouldn't give them the whole year to figure out to the 12th year at the deadline

People aren't gonna be happy They don't have a year, bro Like if they're the 12th see what? They don't have their pick this year Guess what? You could be giving up the number one overall pick There's no room I don't think they were given the whole year Yeah Yeah you have to figure out They have to figure out things fast bro

If you if they give them the whole year it's only because you want to wait to see what other coaches you might want to hire survived I mean but Like, I don't think that they're going to fire Sean Sweeney if they're like the 12C, but I think that you just got to give them a chance for real. I mean, I don't think what I just outlined is not giving them a chance because I think we have some pretty clear data that maybe this duo doesn't work. And if we see months of it not working still with a new coach, maybe it's a big sample size.

Like, that's not exactly, it's not 15 games, you know? So if we say that like new coach came in, this still doesn't work, let's give the new coach some input on how to pivot this team. I don't think that's crazy. But, you know, it's not, you're not blowing it up. You're just getting the- Kind of blowing it up. I mean, I think in this scenario, we probably argue that it makes a team better by subtraction

because we need a better fit in the door to make Palo and Bain and Sug and everybody better. Just retooling, so. Fair Franz for, for MPJ and picks. You have a better space here in the door? Interesting. Fronson, gentlemen? Hold on whenever we're cooking. That would be kind of fun.

They've got a fire. I'll make it happen. Okay. That's mostly a froncent of things. I like him and want to see him thrive on his own team. team. Ceiling. There is always the world

where this team figures it out and the data we have when they're starting five is together being really good bears itself out because they say healthy. The ceiling to me wouldn't be surprising

at their top four team. I mean, it's ceiling. I think the ceiling is winning a playoff round. Okay, to me, I'm going to focus on regularly season success for them in the ceiling route

just because the playoffs will be what they are. To me, it's about getting this team back on track over 82 games and showing that they have something here with this court. so I'm concerned about like can we win 50 games can we get to the four seed

okay the playoffs are going to be a bloodbath in east this year they could be a first round they can be the cabs where they we could say oh it should have been a first time next year but now you're in the conference finals because he seemed suck I don't know where they've fall in that but like can we win 50 games yeah I think I can I can agree with that because they almost made in the second round the second round last year in the seven game series or Franz just went out and if he was healthy he probably they probably would have made the second round I don't know that that means something obviously but they need like They need to, going back to what you said earlier,

like they need to build their pedigree and be a regular, regular NBA team. Yeah. Last year they won 45 games. Can we break 50? Yeah. That means a lot. But if you break,

if you break 50 and you still go out in the first round, I don't think that that is giving you any more indication of whether or not this team is like in the right direction. Sure. Especially because Palo's whole thing right now is I'm Mr. Playa. Riser, I get buckets, I put the team on my back. Y'all haven't won a playoff series.

And that's my point. I'm like, I don't have faith in them in the playoffs, so I don't even care yet. We haven't even gone to that point yet because show me in the regular season that I, did you deserve for me to have faith in the playoffs. That's what was more important to me right now, just because like, I'm not even thinking about the playoffs with them whatsoever because I have no faith. They probably are. I'm sure.

Yeah, they probably still think, especially because Franz went, went out last year. They're probably saying to themselves, if we were healthy, we would have, we would of one a playoff series for the first time in this era, I think that that is kind of the bar that they're holding themselves to. Yeah. Okay. Or that they should. Realistic.

That's fair. Realistic is probably like seven. Yeah. 17. Yeah. Seat. You just stay who you are. Yeah.

We're just looking up saying, what now? Yeah. Realistic. What now? Realistic is also you trade sucks. Yeah. That's a part of it. What now?

Somebody's got to go. I'd not envy the position of a, Magic Fanner now. They have just enough hope to keep themselves going and just enough reason that that hope will probably get squashed and they'll just be like stuck in what now forever. That place sucks. It's a weird team. I would hate to be there.

Tough. Couldn't be me though. I know. It could be me. Yeah, but you actually have somebody on the team. Uh-huh. I know the pain of mid. All right.

Y'all made me a lot of years. That's what I'm saying. I'm not new to that midship. Yeah, shit's crazy. I'm not new to that little bit of glimmer of hope but still mid shit. I was born through that. Okay. That is the floor, seeming, and realistic for every team in the NBA.

And that's the end of this episode.