The Deep 3 Podcast - The Greatest Lies In NBA History | TD3 Clips

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

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Let's talk about the greatest lies told in NBA history. We're just lying all day today. We're lying today. I ask you guys on a community post to give us. My favorite. To give us your greatest lies in NBA history. We're going to see them. We're going to react to them.

Additionally, we are going to have a podium that we are going to pick the three greatest lies we see today to put them on that podium. We can exchange them over time. So by the end of this episode of the 12 to 15 lies we see, we'll have three that we think are the three greatest lies. Okay. What is the first lie we've seen today, Beesoles? All right.

Fly. Ooh, go ahead and read it to us. Oh, God. Okay. Most casual fans believe Yolkish doesn't care about basketball when that couldn't be further from the truth. Okay. They look the gimmick of someone being the best player without caring about the sport, but Yokic is always one of the most passionate players on the floor. Boom!

Boom! Got it. Successfully read two sentences. Let's go. Yes. Do we think it's a lie that Yokish doesn't care about basketball? I think it was, I think we've kind of moved past that. I think people understand that he does care.

But so it is a lie, but I don't think it's like a top three lie. That's told. You don't take some big podium? No. Should you put the first three on the podium and then we can kick them off as they go? Yeah.

Yeah, it's throw it on there. Go and the Yokic one on the podium. We'll keep going. It's a third one. So do you think he, does he care less than some guys to you? Do you feel like, I don't know, pick the star, Anthony Edwards.

Does he care more about basketball? Is Yokic, he cares? You can't say he doesn't care because he's disrespectful. But in the grand scheme of superstars, you think he cares a little bit less on LeBron or Gadee or whatever? Yes.

I think the, I think clearly like the All-Star game performances, I think that shows some level of like, I'm just out here because like I really, really do have to. Is it a bad thing though to not care about fake basketball? In the, for the All-Star game, probably. You're a bad entertainer, but I mean you don't care about basketball. You are one of the best players in the world. You do have a certain responsibility, but like, and he clearly is like,

I don't give him damn about that responsibility. So yes. He probably cares less, but it's not to the degree of like, I don't care about anything. Okay. For now, that is our number one lie. We'll move things go. I don't think it's not last on the podium, though. I don't even know if that's the number one lie, but so far, I guess it is because we have no other lies.

You know, I think to be the greatest lies, this has to be, like, people really believe it and is really not true. Like, the difference between reality and what the public receives is, like, vast, making it a great lie. And this one, I think it's fair to doubt his, like... leadership passion and shit like that, you know? Like, I think it is fair to say that he is not quite as fiery of a guy or whatever as the ultimate competitors of Michael Jordan LeBron and whatnot. And it's kind of weird for a top player. Most guys are that, like, insane competitor.

Maybe he's not quite that. I don't know. I feel like when it comes to gauging how we think someone cares about basketball, what are, like, the metrics and what are the actual, like, emotional things? You just want to see, be mad and, like, yell? I mean, he does that. He does. But there's that more of him just being a sort of loser.

Yes. Yeah, exactly. Are we going to say like, it's a stupid conversation. Someone like, why he doesn't care? Because he's like, he's a plank.

I mean, he don't care. I think I'm playing. I think people would say, people would say obviously Ben Simmons never cared about basketball. That's why he wasn't working hard to get better.

That's one trait. Yeah. And I think people, people used to say that about James Hardin that he just cares about going to the club. That was just racist. To be honest. So like,

I don't know. I don't know. They all care about basketball. Yeah. Yeah. But does he care less? Maybe a little bit. So it's not a great lie, but it's a lie.

It is true. It is a lie to say that he doesn't care just because he doesn't emote in the same way some people do. Yeah. All right. Next. Rudy Gobert is a horrible defender when he's one of the best of all time. Oh, this is number one. This is one of the greatest lies of our generation for sure.

People truly believe that Rudy Gobert is a bum who can't play in the playoffs and gets exposed every single time April comes around. Never been true. Do you know who he's been exposed by? Who? Guys like Luca fucking Donchitz, right? Yeah. Like guys, like Nicole Yolich, obviously people are not saying this year. But in the past, he's had his number.

Guys like, okay, now he did have that moment with Terrence, man. And that's like really what kick started this thing. And that was stupid. He just didn't defend him. His coach said, don't defend Terrence man. Come help in the rim. Terrence man hit open shots. And all of a sudden, he did Rudy Gaubert.

No, Rudy Gaubert wasn't anywhere close to him. I remember one play where he got crossed. You got it. You got dude. All right. If we gauged him by the metric of kids, Can you defend Luca Donchich every single year? No, but he's a great playoff defender except for like Jaylon Brown.

Curry's cooking him and drop. Look at him. He's horrible. He's a bum. All right. God damn. This is definitely number one on our list, deservedly. It's going to take a lot to dismantle this.

Yeah, I'm not going to lie. All right. Next lie is, the 2015 Hawks should not be referred to as a bad one seed. They made it to the conference finals and then last to the best player in the world in the middle of his prime. You can say they were disappointing, to put them as the paragon of disappointing one seeds when we have series like the 2000 mabs were gone in the first round is crazy to me you hit a little hezzy on the them

drug the pivot foot a little bit no but it was him that fucked up though you got through you got through okay is it a lie that the hawks are one of the most disappointing teams of the modern era are you wrong to pinpoint them as the face of failure yeah we are we are yeah we are yeah we are they don't have any like historic players at all they did this team as a whole did historic things. Yeah. Like they made, had like, four all stars, which is amazing. But at the end of the, everyone, that was also fake. It was fake. Oh, 100%. Yeah.

I agree. I agree. And everyone knew that, though, too. Looking back, why did we do this? They made the conference finals. They made them four all-s. People were trying to give them five all-stars. Yeah, it's LeBron. Swepped? Okay, fair. Maybe you should have won a game. They should want a game. A game is ridiculous.

You know what probably is too. I don't remember what happened quite vividly. L-16. They probably like got the shit beat at them those games and went out sad. So that's just like when you're so dominant, we spent all this time. Like imagine if OKC got swept a couple years ago when their first year being good. The nature in which you lost the games is probably what did it. And I do think, I think the four all stars is adds to it. Yeah, absolutely.

Where it's like you could have said that they were a very good team and they played team basketball and you have two all stars. But to put basically the entire starting lineup, then they went out and glazed to get the entire starting five player of the week or player of the month, you're doing a lot. You're crowning this entire team. And for them not to get a game is ridiculous. They were also getting like modern day spurs comparisons. Yeah, well, that's also probably,

that's also because Mike Boodenhosa was there and he came from the spurs too. And then they saw the ball movement. And that was like a very important talking point by then. So it makes sense. Who it is too? I think today we're much more gracious of great teams not winning because we're in this parody era where like we understand how hard it is to win. And that like making the conference finals is an achievement now because the league is

so competitive. Back then, there was two good teams in the East. The greatest teams were always in the conference finals. So that wasn't like an accomplishment. Yeah, man, we need up to slander, man. So you're more slander today. Yeah. I think what makes the worst too, I remember, I'm looking back at the statue right now.

In this series, 2015, 2016, this was when, like, Kyrie and K. K. Love were out. And so he was, LeBron was busting a ass with Moskhoff and Delovin Dover. That's what it is. Okay. I forgot that detail. You're right. Swepped?

Yeah. No, wait, Kyrie didn't play in this one? No, no. Carrey didn't play. That's the second round? No. No.

No, because Kyrie got hurt in the finals. Yeah, but Kevin Love didn't play at all. Kevin Love got a strict arm ripped by Kelly Linick. That was the second round against the sentence. Oh, Kyrie played one game actually. Against the Hawks? Yeah, he played game one against the Hawks.

He hit his knee on the ground and I cracked it, right? Is that what it was? Yes, you're precisely right. Yeah. That was crazy. Yeah, he bonged his knee on the ground and shit broke. Yeah. It's crazy.

I've never seen that again. What a crazy duo to get, talking about LeBron's legacy. To have your one star get his arm in an arm bar and ripped out and one guy bongs his knee and cracks it, crazy unlucky. Yeah, so actually, Kyrie came back for game four and that's so insane. I remember because he played in the finals that year too. I remember for a quick second and then he was immediately out.

He played for game one. Yeah. And then got hurt in game one. Oh, game one is when he bonged his knee and cracked it. Why was he hurt before that? I don't see the injury right now. I can't remember either. Yeah.

Okay, so that's on our podium. Is that a greater lie than the Yokish thing? or we put that at three. Put it at that three. Okay. Put that at three for now. Yep. Okay.

But yeah, long story short, it is a lie. We probably shouldn't pinpoint them. We have gone more gracious with teams, not win the finals on their grace over time. I think we is at NBA community. Understand this thing a little more. Who we gave Jeff Teague an all-star for having 15 points.

Oh, man. All right. Next. There is no defense in the modern NBA. This might be one. This is the worst lie. This might be one. Defense is so genius.

today, it's night and day from the defense of the 90s and the 2000s when it was just more physical but lower IQ less complicated. Yeah. The real answer is offense is just unfuck with the bull because we solve the game to a fucking molecular degree that high-end defense is damn near impossible. Yeah, I agree. I think there's, I'm not going to do the exercise, but I think there's specific defensive players back then that you could pinpoint and be like, yeah, they may not be able to survive

in today's NBA because of the offball movement and how where you need to be outside of just like singular one-on-one. coverage, just waiting and got to funnel in. The shit that Wembe, Chet, all these high-level room protectors today, the things they have to perceive, all the rotations they have to make, the complicated systems they have to man, if you put them back in the 90s and they just had to sit there

and guard in the post, it's so easy. What to Gobert would be the best defender of all time in the 80s. All right, who we kicking off, though? I think this goes to one over the Gobert thing. And everyone just shifts down? Yeah. Yeah, one. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I think right now, this is the greatest lot we've seen. Probably. Defense has never been harder to

play right now. And it sucks because like this is so this is so pervasive amongst casual fans. Like they truly do believe this. They're not hating. They truly do think the NBA plays no defense anymore. And it's hard to it's hard to tell them it's not true when you see regular season games. A intensity might not be high. But it really is because the office is just so amazing.

There was a game a couple years ago. 176. That was crazy. Oh, that was the Kings Clippers game. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. You know what? You know what it is too? We were just having this conversation yesterday. with the coworker. I was telling them that like

in the 1990s the best shooter in the world whoever was at the time I don't know who had the title either whether they'd be Reggie Miller, Dale Ellis, whoever,

the things they did as a shooter, the versatility they had as a shooter would make them one of the worst shooters on a league team today. Every single player in a rotation these days has to be able to catch a corner three pump fake, sidestep and hit a three.

If you did that in the 80s, you're Jesus. Yeah, right true. Now Lou Dorr has to do that and he's the worst shooter on his team. It is funny whenever you go back in the life.

If you did this in 1980, you were a witch. Yeah, you got it. It's all true, too. Jordan pulled out of the greatest handle of all time in the 80s. All right. Next. Michael Jordan is the goat. Had inflated defensive stats,

the only thing he did better than LeBron would shoot more. Had a top seven small forward of all time and the greatest coach in league is. Is it a lie that Jordan's the goat? Is it one of the greatest lies of all time? I feel like he was trying to say he's not the goat, though. He is. He's saying it's a lie that Jordan's a goat.

Oh, oh, oh, okay. Okay. It's not a top three lie. Yeah, it's not a good lie. It's not a good enough lie. It's a valid argument, man. First one that doesn't make the cut. Yeah. Or he's not the goat. Jordan's a go-to. He has a, he has an very clear argument.

Yeah, he has a good argument. It's not a good lie. Yeah. Are there any MJ goat guys here? No. Donovan's wishy-washy with it. Yeah, I go back and four. Honestly, I do too.

I'm kind of painted as a LeBron guy because I did that HOH video and we had our all-time rankings and I would like we just argue for content. I think LeBron's a goat, but like, I don't think it's a crazy gap. How crazy to say that? I think it's pretty 1A1B in my mind. I got to a point like four years ago where I just gave up, but I just, I don't really care about it. Me too. Yeah, that's really what it is.

I don't give a fuck. The arguments are cemented at this point. What are we arguing about? All right, next. That Kyrie is better than Chris Paul and Jason Kidd. Who said this? A lot of, a lot of fans will tell you Kyrie is better than Chris Paul. A lot of Kavanaugh.

Oh, that was definitely a very big thing. debate last summer about Kyrie and Chris. Yeah, a lot of casual fans will tell you that Kyrie is one of the coldest of all time, one of the greatest peaks of all time, that he's way better than Chris Paul. They trust him more in a playoff setting, all this stuff. He's done things in a finals Chris Paul can never dream of. A lot of people truly believe this. And Jason Kid? Sure, and Jason Kid. I'm sure if a Kyrie fan tells you better than Chris Paul, he's not drawn the line at Jason Kids, who gets even less buckets. This is nasty work, man. Do you know how, bro, if Kyrie, if Chris Paul,

and LeBron James are teammates, brother, they would. I think I genuinely do think if Chris Paul was there, let's say, in 2018 instead of Kyrie, they probably still get their ass beat regardless because that team is crazy, but that series is going to six or six or something? Because Kyrie wasn't there in 18. Yeah, 18, my bad.

17. 17, yes. Yeah. Better chance? Yeah, this is obviously a terrible lie. The idea of Kyrie being one of the greatest players of all time to people is a lie. He's obviously, he's amazing. He is a historic NBA player,

one of the best on-ball scores, one of the deepest bags, all this stuff. But the idea that that translates to him being an player of more impactful than these type of guards that do a little more than just score. Not true.

Is he... Not top three, though. Yeah, I don't think this is the top three. Well, what's on our podium right now? Let's go back to it. This is a bigger lie than the yoke doesn't care about basketball. Really?

A lot of people really do believe Kyrie's the goat or like in that combo to them. Actually, yeah. It's really, really common outside of like diehard fans. Yeah. Okay.

I would say it's number three on the list. personally. I'll put it to three, too. Okay. Put that three. All right. Let me put that three. People love Kyrie, man. They really do. It's fine to love Kyrie. I like Kyrie a lot. But to let that love color, your perception of him relative to history, it is a lie. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's fair. That's fair. All right. Next lie. Well, first of all, no, next lie is New York's big market actually attracts stars

in free agency it's literally happened once in NBA history is it a lie that Star Wars want to play in New York what was that one time are you kind of Brunson or not? No, Melo saying

that he wanted to go but that was a trade though he forced his way over there he could have been patient you're right he could have a whole team okay I'll go out I can be right now yeah it's clearly

Yeah, it's obviously a very, very big lot Because honestly the biggest Free Agent acquisition didn't even go to the Knicks It was Katie and Kyrie Going over to Nets So maybe that means New York is a big market People want to play for They just don't want to play for the sorry-ass Nix all the time

That's all I'm here Honestly, he's been This is true then they do like New York They just don't love the Nix And if the Nix were good and competent In a legendary franchise They'd get All-Stars all the time Ain't it so crazy

They saw the New York Nix and every fan and every like news out like pushing this prop again and said fuck they were going to the brooklyn nets yeah so this isn't poeum because it's not a lie it's crazy this is a nix issue not a new york issue it doesn't make our podium y'all had a top pick that year too it broke my heart fuck man i told you i thought it was gonna be kd kare and zile yeah no i thought looking back that shit that he wouldn't have been on shit looking back would have been a massive disappointment oh the biggest disappointment ever you're right so not a lie new york is popping the nicts just aren't all right next

Katie wasn't the best player on the Warriors when he was there. It's partially because of Steph's gravity, which I won't deny, but he indeed was the best player on the team when he was there. You a damn lie. You a damn lie. It was never the best player. Donovan is a curry better truther? He was never.

Mo? Is Donovan a liar? He was never a better. Was Katie better? Man. And if he was, it was only because Steph allowed him to. That's such a way to spin it. Which then, if you go back, means that he wasn't the better player.

Katie only got to top of the mountain because Curry lifted him up. I'm being honest here. He showed him the way. He's a navigator. He drove the bus. He's the GPS. Yeah.

He used the cake. He used the cake, huh? Is that Curry? That's what they say? He leads the way. Ew. Come on, man. No, I always thought Curry was better.

Just because, well, I don't think this is one of the greatest lies. I do think it's debatable. I have always linked Curry because I appreciate the impact of a Curry, appreciate how he makes everybody else better. But I think there's a very valid viewpoint to those who think Katie is better at more things,

is the end-of-game score, is the better defender, is a more versatile player that while they may have been built around Curry's playmaking, that doesn't mean Curry's a more individually talented player. I do understand that it's a debate. Yeah, I don't think it's one of the greatest lies either. There was a moment in time back in either 20,

I think it was 2017 or 18, one of those years where people were talking about putting Katie, on the DPOY list, bro, which is kind of crazy. But he was really like that. He was blocking shots over there with all those great defenders around him. That shit was glazed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I don't think it's, I don't think it's only the grid at the line. Like, Katie at the time definitely was a much, much better. He's always been a much better, just go get a bucket guy, which at the end of games was very, very valuable. And so he does deserve all of that credit. But I still think that, I still think the stuff was a better player. Me too. Yeah, I agree.

Not a lie. All right. Next. LeBron couldn't play in the 80s and the 90s. Oh, yeah. That might be one. And I was going to dismiss this as it doesn't even matter. It's not even worth putting on the podium.

Yeah. People do say this. People over 40 do say this stupid shit that if LeBron play the 90s, we'd throw an elbow at his neck. He couldn't survive. And they really believe that shit. Like he isn't the biggest gigantic four they've ever seen in their fucking lives. How are different? Do they think like 2006 basketball was?

I know. He got to have that. 103, not 203. Yeah, there was like literally zero spacing at all, bro. He already been through that. Does this make our podium? It's obviously a huge lot. I think so.

I think it's a bigger lie than Harry over Chris Paul and Jason King. 100%. I think it's one. It might be over Rudy Gobert. You know, maybe it's still, actually. Is it bigger than no defense in modern NBA? It's the most wrong lie up here. So if we're going out how wrong these lies are, it's one.

Like, LeBron could obviously be the best player in the world in the 80s. In some ways, he'd be better. should we say is it one I think we can shift everything down yeah I'll shift everything down okay okay greatest lobby we had yet LeBron couldn't play in the 80s and 90s it's just common enough

because of the skip bailances of the world that said this shit for decades that a lot of people do out there a lot of casual fans do believe this yeah the physical defense in the 90s skips for so many haters so many dummies

all right next mama mentality being a factor in Kobe's leg legacy. No reason a guy should be ranked higher because he worked harder. Everyone works hard to make it to the, everyone works hard to make it to the NBA. Kobe was just an asshole about it. I'm not going to lie. This might have to enter the podium.

That mama mentality shit is the craziest glaze that I've ever seen any like person get away with ever. Just to be an ass. It's true. He's cooking. Just to be like a not a good time to be around. He's right. Kobe is one of the 10 greatest players of all time.

I'm not saying that he's overrated, but the fact that people attribute his greatness to him being a dick is over-talked about. He's top ten because he wins chips and he's their great isolation score and what the era needed from their lead ball handers, he did to an amazing degree. He is not a top-10 player ever because he was mean to Smush Parker and wanted it more.

That just made him an asshole. He just seduce, man. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't. Like, he did. He objectively wanted him more than all of these people, which then leads to.

him being a good isolation. It helps. It helps. He's definitely a grinder because he wanted it so bad. But it's over-talked about for how important it was. Yeah. The whole mama mentality thing is always easily one of the first three things to hear in any conversation when you hear someone either give Kobe praise or big him up over. I know it's a new thing too. New people are starting to say that he wasn't a crazy athlete that he was only so good

because he worked so hard. What the fuck? He is 6'2 inch vertical and swole. He was a great athlete. He was naturally giving him. The difference is he is like, like LeBron obviously different tier. Yeah. Even Jordan, I think is a different level of athletes than Kobe.

And I think that those two guys were able to keep their athleticism a little bit longer than than Kobe would. Sure, probably did. And so that and I think like transitioning over to like the like the more groundbound footwork era Kobe. That's fair. I do think that the bomb mentality did, you know, kind of ushered that in a little bit. Sure.

A lot of players do that. And we don't write a Bible scripture about the. mindset. A lot of people changed their games over time. LeBron did that shit, man. He turned around and shot 40% 3-point line more year. 2018, LeBron and 2006 Levant is a different guy. And guess what? He had mama mentality doing it. We've got

to create a church. It's not wrong. We're going to create a church to the Brawn's mindsets. Is this too? He did have, Brian did have mama mentality. All right, man. I think it's a three. I think we kick off actually, I don't know, the Gober thing is pretty tough. I think, okay, you know what? But Kobe thing is like, that takes over so.

I don't, I don't think mama mentality is only exclusive to Kobe. Other people can't have it. Well, now you're just describing working hard. Now it's not even about Kobe. There's a different level to Mamba. No. There is.

I hate you. There is. It's a different level. You could work hard and then and then you get around other people who work hard and you're like, oh, I think I got to step it up. That's the level that he's on. Okay. This isn't a top three live all time though.

It's not top three? Because Mamba mentality is real. It's exaggerated, but it's real. The Gobert thing is completely fictional. So it can't be top three live all time. It's not up there. These three are blatant lies. The Kobe thing is glazed and exaggerated in truth.

He does. He is a hard worker. He's right. The foundation is true. God, he ain't with that one. Thank you. The foundation is truth. A lot of propaganda starts with a sliver of truth.

Also, picture your Kobe Bryant, right? And you work as hard as you do. And you have to go to work. And you know that your legacy and the way that people talk about you is on the line every single night. And you show up at work and it's Nick Young and it's Jeremy Lynn. And Shaq got hurt and said, I got hurt on company time. I'm a heel on company time.

You would go insane as well. I get it. And he has every white to go insane. But it's more so about the people who talk about that shit and how they use to big him up. Yeah. If you are somebody who sees that and sees Kobe go insane and tell Smush Parker that you're worse than fucking litter. I don't think I would be like, I want to be just like him.

But you got it. Imagine you just broke up. Sorry. With your partner, y'all won, y'all won three championships in a row, went to another finals. And then they said, we got Quame Brown for you. I'm cursing everybody out on the job today. You can have HR here.

I'm going to curse HR out too. I have to do it. It must be done. It doesn't make our top three, though. Okay. All right. Next. LeBron isn't clutch.

Fuck, man We got hitters I mean, listen It's kind of topical He's 0 for six last night He's 41 Dude, come on now Oh, no

Now He's been 41 for a year Not like he just started yesterday The age stuff is ridiculous But he means ridiculous He's 41 He's conveniently 41 Performatively 41

Unfortunately he's always 41 When he's always 41 When he's when LeBron is good Oh my God he's 41 When he drops 5% below. Oh my God, he's 41. What else can you expect?

No, it's not. That's the same thing. It's impressive when a 41 year old does good. So we talk about it and it's understandable he does bad. He's good or he's not good. That's the thing about 41. He's not going to be good all the time. You're missed.

You're understanding the issue but having the problem with this. You can't give him all the praise on one side and there would be no downside on the other side. Yes, you can. If we were playing catch and I had one hand, when I caught it, you'd say good job. When I miss it, you'd say he has one hand. You wouldn't act like it's crazy to glaze me when I caught it. I have one hand. If I throw you the ball 10 times, if you have one hand, if I, if you have one hand, no, stop that.

No. If you have one hand. I'm taking both sides, pause. If you have one hand and we're playing catch and you catch 10 passes in a row, you have clearly shown the ability to catch. So then whenever I throw you the ball at the same speed, whatever, nothing changes and you drop it, I'll be like, damn, man, why did you drop the ball? Then you're an asshole.

What? I have one hand. No, I don't like Don't have been cooked again. Well, first of all, no, he did it because LeBron's been old all year. He's never been consistently amazing, which is why we have to.

Forget about Bronn. In this situation, you have one hand. If you set the ability, if you set the expectation, don't be around Donovan. You cannot be around him. If you set the expectation

that you're able to do something and then you don't live up. I can't forget about Ron. Ron has not set the expectation. Forget, bro. I'm asking you about this. To the one-hand people out there. No,

What you're doing is complete manipulation argument. Again, I don't care about this. I'm asking about this specific thing. But that's an insane premise to say. If I never miss, duh, but we're not talking about someone who never missed this. So it's an irrelevant point. If you cast the ball eight times out of ten.

He doesn't play amazing eight times out of ten. If you do that and you show the ability to do it, is it then wrong to ask you to catch the ball? No, but that's a false premise that has nothing to do with anything. Nobody suggested that. Listen to the one-hand people out there. You better catch the ball every time. Because there's no excuses.

Or just don't catch it at all. Yeah. Honestly. Honestly. If you don't want to play that way, don't play. Don't play. Don't play. Even catch the ball. Don't.

I don't really care. I think for the most part throughout the entirety of the year, even last year, too, whenever LeBron does something, people just tip their hat. Wow. That is not true. He doesn't have anything. LeBron didn't watch this fuck all year. What are we talking about?

The tip of their cap? Yeah. That is not true. And it's because LeBron is the most polarizing. player of all time. You are either going to give LeBron all the glaze in the world or you are going to give him all of the slander. He doesn't, he doesn't exist. No, that's how you are because you ranked him top three. You've ranked him like a top 10 offensive player. Is that what you just said is true. We're describing not doing that and now you have a problem with it. We're describing being

nuanced and understanding the negatives and not get him on slander. Hold on. We'll also appreciate him the upside because he's 41 and you're saying that's wrong. We need to be polar opposites. Your point is we shouldn't be nuanced. I think for this, for this specific lie, one, successfully did my job. Two, Skip Baylose was on this last night. And that's the only reason why I feel going back and forth. Because he called him LaBrick and it was funny. I do, I do think that like if he, if LeBron misses, Mr. Schatz, it's okay to say he, he wasn't clutched last night.

Yeah. And it's like, it's fine. Okay. I think that that's okay. Okay. I also think this is a lot. All right. Does it make the podium?

I don't think it does. I think it does. I think it does. Yeah, it is. Do we want two LeBron things on our podium? I think this is a big of a lot than he can't play in the 80s and 90s. Don't replace it. Or do you want to have multiple LeBron things?

LeBron has a lot of lies told about him. That's glazed. It's true as well. It's not even glazed. It's kind of true. Everyone lied about you. Yo, stop glazing. What is it?

If we have this graphic at the end of it and it's three brawn lies. That's Blaze. That's Blaze. Yeah. So what do you want to do? Replacing. Not really. Replace it.

But we don't think it's, you think it's one? So do want to have only one player? I actually do think this is a big of lot than 80s and 90s. I do think it should be one. Okay. So no one shifts and just replace it. Just replace one. Okay.

We have a one. We have a one LeBron quota. We can't have more. Okay. Too much. Too much. What if it's true? It's true.

All right. Next lie. People overstating T-Max all-time potential with all the what-ifs as if we didn't get several. Oh, my God. As if we didn't get several years of T. What? Keep going to do you guys. Take your time.

as if we didn't get several years of peak T-Mec. Thank you. Good job. Many people do exaggerate it. I don't know if it's one of the greatest lives of all time, though. It is true that he did get robbed by injuries to some degree. But him and his teammates, like a lot of those years, his best players were injured, so he went into the playoffs under man. Man, I don't care.

I don't care. We're playing in 2003. If you are out here and you're scoring 33 a night, you shouldn't be blowing 3-1 leads. You had an opportunity to get out the first round. multiple times and it did not happen. Yeah. And I'm putting that on you. So I don't, it's also not one of the three biggest lives.

Yeah. But it's a lie. Okay. It's a lie. Yeah. Team Mac is glazed apparently. Fair, fair, fair. Yeah, his potential is probably a lot. Mm-hmm.

All right. Next. Shea needs free throws to be the MVP. One. Greatest lie in the NBA today. Put it out one. This is the most nonsensical thing. It really, I'm joking about it being one, but like, it is crazy.

The mass psychosis of NBA fans on Instagram and Twitter and shit that truly in their hearts, have been led to believe that Shea is not an elite player and it's only good because the rest decide him to be good. It's not even like a small thing people say. Half the NBA fan base believes that in their hearts. It's crazy. Man, I was reminded of how bad Joel Embed's foul baiting was this weekend. All that Shea hit went away.

There's real foulbating demons out there. Yeah, we just came from era of Harding and Embed. She's light. I ain't going on. She's light as fuck. Light as fuck. It's crazy. The fact that we're here,

people really believe this. This is one of the greatest lives of all time. It's not better than the it's not greater line than the LeBron things I think but it's up there Are we putting a podium? I think it kicks off Gobert Does it kick off Gobert? I don't think so The gap is dude people really think Shays a fraud like they're not even joking or just Landering they really think he's not like that he is in the conversation right now more than Gober is the MVP of the league like and they just won the chip so more people are talking about it

They don't respect him if you tell if you go to a fucking park and you see a bunch of teenagers Bro tell them Shay's the best player in the world they're gonna cook you Yeah you're right that's true forget teenage grown men. Oh, even worse. We were one year olds. We were hooping the other day and somebody like called, there was like an argument about about a foul call and

the dude right next to me was like was saying like, oh yeah, we're doing this just like Shay. Like it's a real it's a real thing. Yep. And they think and it's not that happened to me too. Yeah, like it's true. It's got to be bigger than Goberrae think. I think it is bigger than Gober. Okay, that's fair.

All right. So yeah. I can I can like mush Gobert into the no defense of the modern NBA because they just don't understand how impactful that stuff is. But I do think those top two probably are a bigger lie than the Shay thing. Yeah. All right.

Next. The Don is 25 when he's actually 32. It is a lie. I'm not 25. Oh, I just read that the Don. My bad. That was kind of glaze. That was good.

That was kind of. The Don is kind of. My bad. Respect to you. Is Don a seniorly 32? do. No, I'm not. Are you sure? How many people will call you 32 before?

I remember on that one draft stream that we had. They said you're dating Harriet Tubman or something like that. I don't remember how that spurt. They said he remembers Pangea. Yeah, I'm not 32. I'm not 30 yet. Has whenever people like try to guess your age, do they usually go like above the mark or what? I don't know.

I've been in this like, I feel like 25, 27. is probably the range. Do you rather be 25 or 32? What the hell? I think 25? Yeah, why wouldn't you want to be younger? Yeah, why would I pick 32? Even when I...

More mature, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but athleticism, no. You got to remember who you're talking to. You test way better than at 32. Yeah, it depends on my body. Could be peak at 32, but that's... It could be peak. But it's like downhill very early.

Okay. Donovan did very tough. Donovan remembers the Great Depression was just last year All right That Steve Nash didn't deserve the MVP's Pure Kobe buys It's a pretty big lie

Hmm No man This is just another instance White man stealing something They shouldn't have This is a pretty bad lie It's popping out podium But it is hilarious

That people have just like Accepted the narrative That Steve Nash stole MVP's In the moment I'm pretty sure everybody was okay With Steve Nash Winning MVP This is pure colonialism

What? It's a Settler. It's a Siyop. It's a Siyop. It's a Canadian coming in. Take something. That's not his. That's funny.

It's not funny, though, right? No, it's not funny. But it's a pretty bad laugh. This is a lie, though. Yeah. All right. Next. That Michael Jordan would average 45 today.

Laughing emoji. Thank you for other laughing emoji. This might be. Laughing emoji. He can get 40. No. In a season? Like a peak season, he can get 40.

He can get 40. I don't think he can. I don't think he can. He wouldn't, though. Like, there's no coach alive that's like, I need MJ to average 40 and we're gonna be a better team. I think he could do it.

Like, I think he could do it. Yes, if that was his mission, but like, winning games, he's not gonna be happy about it. If he didn't want to win games

and he was like, I got an average 40 to prove the hate it wrong. Sure. So could Kevin Durant in his prime, but like nobody would ever want to do that. We've seen hard and like damn near do that, but I'm sure he didn't necessarily want to do it. He literally had to because there was no one else

say they're able to create. And nobody's ever going to have higher usage in 2019, Hardin. If he didn't average 40, no one's doing it. Hey, man. Durnumite. Okay. He might have higher usage. 45?

Yeah, 45 is a lot. I think 40 is like the maximum of maybe what could happen. Yeah. So you don't think this is a lie then? No, it's a lie. 45? Yeah, 45 is a lot. Yeah, 45 is a lie.

Okay. Because Hardin, is it a party? No. No. And he's a playmaker too. Jordan's like, I'm taking the shot. Yeah. Okay.

Is it podium? Nah. The other ones are such common narratives that they've got to be on there. I don't, listen, 45. 45, that honest, it is a very popular narrative, though. It is, but do you think it's, it's like a, the other ones are more consequential that people, like, really believe this in conversation. The Jordan thing is just some shit that old people say.

That kind of falls into the LeBron camp playing in the 80s and 90s. Yeah, yeah. It's not unique enough, I think. Okay. I think that's it Okay, so what is our final podium? We have LeBron isn't clutch We have no defenses play in the modern NBA

And that Shea sucks And it's only good because it's free throws And the rest like them That's a good podium I think we got it right Yeah I think LeBron 80s and I think could have been

A part of this but It's fair Too much glaze and recognize the truth Come on, man You gotta be better Unbelievable You gotta recognize real You'd definitely make argument

There should be two Lebrons on here Yeah The 80s and 90s was gonna do that. Now, but you gave him fuel, you were like, that is glaze. So you know what I happen to. No, like I'm above this? It's okay to glaze.

Okay, so it is glaze, but you can donate. Yeah. Whereas Donovan is anti-glaze. Yeah. Some might call it glaze, some might call it showing love. Yeah. You're just more tolerant than Donovan. It's fine.

It's all about, um, perspective.