The Deep 3 Podcast - The Lakers REFUSE To Give LeBron James Help! | Ep. 19

Episode Date: January 13, 2023

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I think we should start with the team that everybody loves to hear or hates to hear depending on what side of the fandom you're on. Let's talk about the Los Angeles Lakers. Again? I'm sick of this. I'm sick of Lakers' talk. I can't stand them. We have to talk about for a good reason, though.

Yeah, they do have LeBron James on their team. And today we have the rare positive Lakers talking point, so I think we've got to give them their just do a little bit. If y'all don't know, they've won five of their last six games and have surprisingly looked extremely confident without Anthony Davis. and now we just got to report today that Anthony Davis is progressing well and is set to return towards the end of this week

so do y'all think they're going to make a playoff push no i don't oh my god i don't i don't this is like every every team throughout the season is going to have their ups they're going to have their downs unless you're like a lottery team in which everything's down like if you're the Detroit pistons your whole season's going to suck right we we already know that

non-stop pain exactly if you have lebron and you have a d I hope that you can string a couple wins together. Now, it's impressive that it's coming without Anthony Davis. That's impressive. However, counter to your optimism, the Lakers have five lineups. They're five most used lineups with LeBron and AD. All of them have negative net ratings. Damn.

Right? So, like, this isn't something to where we're going to see LeBron and AD come back and then immediately we're going to see wins. follow up. It hasn't been that easy all season. I don't think that's going to change once AD gets back. Yeah, well, to be clear, I'm not super optimistic. So I'm going to be the vitals. They won five games in fucking December. No, but even a playoff push, I don't even, I'm not, I'm not sure about that. I mean, they're two, they have one less win in the five seed. So like the West is so tight together. Mo, what do you think? Yeah, exactly. I think they absolutely do because there's

so many teams that are in just like catastrophe right now. And I, I would say, say like anywhere from the five seat to obviously the 11th C which are the Lakers are right now. The Lakers can, the West is just so volatile and nothing is so, nothing is consistent outside of those top four teams in the West and if there's

an injury or a couple strings of bad games to the Sacramento King is God forbid or like who knows like how Jordan Pool is going to wake up feeling we're going to talk about the Warriors later but like they're so goddamn inconsistent in the definition of turnovers and

shit and the gloss changes clippers just got their backs blowing up by the Atlanta Hawks the Hawks suck the Hawks suck so it's like I'm glad you said that I'm glad to hear that from you yeah have to do it so absolutely

I'm not going to say nothing I'm not going to say nothing I think we should so whether the Lakers are really going to be like respectable going forward is not in here nor there let's talk about these last six or seven games and why they've been so good

we talked about a little bit last week at the end of the pod. It does start and end with LeBron James. LeBron's been fucking ridiculous since AD went down. I think over the last seven games, I got it written down. He's averaging 37, I mean 35 points, seven rebounds, nine assists. No, I fucked it up again. 35 points, seven assists and nine rebounds while shooting 58% from the field,

even though he's only shooting 23% from three. Yeah. So like he looks like LeBron. Like the talk about him being washed was a little premature. He's been incredible. LeBron has been LeBron and the supporting cast have been, so out of character hitting threes like crazy

when they were playing against the Atlanta Hawks a couple of nights I thought I was going against the fucking 2015 warriors I'm like what is preposterous right now Are you kidding me? And then on top of that I'm wondering his flowers to someone that I mentioned Way earlier in this season or earlier in the podcast both

Thomas Bryant he's fucking He's a good ass player He hasn't been shooting it shooting as many threes I used to think of him more of a three-point shooter Back in his Wizards days and he was that and he has me as much of that but he's a goddamn good player bro and Dennis Trudeau's he learned how to play basketball

and he's 80-milled Dennis Ruda right now We do have talking about Thomas Bryant I don't know if I'm going to say he's a goddamn good player But he's playing great right now I don't know how I'm going to go that far I love role players bro listen If he could play defense he'd be a goddamn good player But offensively he's been eating

And it's so funny because when you watch him play I saw a tweet just said He looks like what a 10 year old would look like when they imagine themselves in an NBA player's body that's like Thomas Blame plays. That's so disrespectful. It's so disrespectful.

It's true though. It's true. He's first team all hustle. I'll give him that. He tries so hard. He wants it so bad. So bad. I'll give him that.

But I mean, it's not way worse than everybody else. Yeah. But like Moe said, and we talk about it a lot whenever teams go on runs and a lot of times you look at their like opponent

three point percentage. and, like, that's kind of a barometer of, like, how sustainable their defenses. And with the Lakers, like, right now over the last seven games, they're eighth in the league in three-point percentage on offense. And it's like, do you really think that without Austin Reeves, without, without your boy Lonnie Walker, who's going to be out there, are we really going to be relying on Pat Bev? Kendrick Nunn to keep hitting the, Wantey,

to keep hitting the way that they are for the right? No, of course not. But some might say positive regression because they started the year so unbelievably unsustainably bad. So, like, maybe the truth is somewhere in between, you know what I mean? Maybe they're not the ninth of the best team,

but maybe they're not by far 30th. Maybe they're, I don't know, 19th, 20th, so it's still not good. But, like, it's good enough when you have LeBron and AD and their defensive identity is pretty sound. Yeah. Like, their whole problem,

whenever they lost four straight as soon as Anthony Davis went out is because when AD's not there, they're a fucking defensive disaster class, partially because Thomas Bryant has to play big minutes and you couldn't defend me and Donovan pick and roll. But despite that, they've been 12th in defense at the last seven games.

So if they can be respectable with these wing defenders coming back, and then AD comes back and patches up all the stuff that's missing, that's the bright side that you can look forward to, is positive regression shooting-wise. Yeah. Again, another counter to you. I'm really just trying to throw as many cameras as possible. Exactly.

The Timberwolves are going to get Kat back. The sons are going to get Debbie. Is there the Timberwolves? All they have to do is, I'm not saying that they have to be good. I'm just saying that they have to be better than the Lakers. The Timberwolves are going to get Cap back. The sons are going to get Devin Booker back. The Warriors are going to get stuck back back.

And so you have a lot of these teams ahead of the Lakers where right as they're going to be making their push to try and get up, maybe outside of the playing range, they're going to be getting their top player back as well. And so if the Lakers, if the Lakers can't keep this up, And if they can't go on like a 10-game win-street to get them some cushion for when the Warriors get back healthy, when the sons get back healthy, I don't know if playoffs is in the cards for them this year. And also, yeah, for sure. And it's like, listen, let's praise LeBron.

Let's give him all the credit, right? He's playing amazing. This is, this feels very, very dangerous to have 38-year-old LeBron playing this hard, this intense, like having, you know, exerting this much. energy in January it feels very very dangerous and so it's got to do it I know I know but the last time I'm not I'm not I'm not going to say I'm not I'm not going to say it but it's it's it's very scary to me and I'm not sure that he can keep this up and that even and that when AD comes back that he will want to keep it up because he will want to rely on AD a little bit more well that's that's the thing he won't have to right if AD comes back and fucking stays healthy

but who knows, obviously, it's always a big if with Anthony Davis. He doesn't need to. Like, we saw during the stretch before AD got hurt, he was playing, like, the best player on the planet for, like, eight games. Yeah. If he keeps that up and LeBron is back to what he's doing now, but not the same volume, because he doesn't have to, there's, like, they haven't had a point yet

where both them are clicking 100%. AD was clicking 1,000% and they got hurt. Now LeBron's back to LeBron. If we can get both them together, they have a higher saying that we've seen it all this season, right? So why you keep that in mind? But we haven't seen that in, like, two years. While you keep that in mind,

it's also important to know that I guess it may be time to revisit this conversation or at least LeBron revisited this conversation and the reporter that he was interviewed by knowing that there is at least a chance that they both hit their stride all the role players are doing their thing and they're scrapping and they're fighting would you revisit those conversations at least about trading those two picks I mean I don't think either of us think they shouldn't I think the only reason people think they shouldn't is people that work for the Lakers, right? Like, everybody agrees they should trade those picks.

Will they realistically? I don't know. Maybe, like you said, that media push. Maybe that media push the bronze making is going to help, but it doesn't look like it. They're not. I think the Lakers, the Lakers have made up their mind. And I think after seeing the way that Russell Westbrook played last year with the Lakers and coming into the offseason saying, we're going to keep him and we're not going to

spend these picks to get him out of here and try to rebuild or try to retool and do anything. If you can legitimately go to sleep at night and not lose any sleep with that version of Russell Westbrook coming back onto your team, this isn't going to change anything. And LeBron can, and what LeBron should have done, listen, I have beef, I have beef, because I stayed up a long time watching ESPN waiting for that stupid interview, watching three iterations, watching three iterations of Sports Center, waiting for them to play that interview. it comes out in in the article I need to see that I need to see that and I'm very upset that took this interview at least an hour and a half of my sleep up away

the hype of this interview they made it seem like he was going to fucking request a trade on national that's what I was thinking that's what I was thinking I text to my dad you're out of your mind I text to my dad I said listen streets are saying there's a big brown interview tonight be on alert all right I'm going to need you to stay

up and he was upset at me so now he so now LeBron's Call them family drama for me. We have beef now. All that, just to cry about the Lakers. Talk about, of course, the scoring thing,

which is obviously interesting. Bro, no one, no one needs to hear none of that, really. Not right now. Do it first. So LeBron, shut up. Yeah.

That's funny. Yeah. I felt what were you saying before that. Something I don't want to say. Do we even care about the, like we care about the, about the scoring title? I feel like we talked about it.

I feel like that's, that's the only positive thing that the Lakers have going for them, that we've kind of talked that into nauseam. So, like, it's going to be, obviously, like, it's going to be a cool moment, and it's going to be like, oh, wow, like LeBron did it. But I really feel like if the Lakers were good, it would have meant a little bit more. This feels like two years ago when the Lakers sucked even more, and the Lakers could get blown out by 30.

And you'll go on, on Instagram right after it, and LeBron's just like, I'm just a kid from Akron. He's just posted all of his accomplishment. That's what that is going to feel like to me. And I feel like it's going to be a little. be a little bit watered down. I don't find it interesting because of the foregone conclusion

unless he gets hurt he's going to hit it this year so it's not like it's a will he hit it it's like when is he going to hit it so it's like I guess I'll just wait until the day he hits it to care you know what I mean?

I saw a stat the other day that said he could score zero points in the next 20 games and they'll still have a chance to hit it this season. This season? Wow. Yeah so it's like whatever

but yeah I guess in terms of how we feel about this run it seems to be everyone's cautiously preventing themselves to him being optimistic about it right? good for them but nobody's like we'll see I won't say

that's a hundred percent how it feels good for them this is the most hope that Lakers fans have had all season which is great but you can't I don't even think it's a lot of hope I think what it is really is the hope is when Anthony Davis comes back

the hope is we can finally see the most clicking because the Braun got his feet under him really it's like relief that they didn't to get destroyed while 80s out and they put themselves in position where 500 is like very attainable and that it's like if there's optimism is that they can potentially go

and run now and get above 500 finally. This is poverty for the lake. This is poverty for the makers. For sure. We're in hell. We're praying. We go 22 and 22 like Jesus Christ. What are you even talking about right now? I know. Let's get to it. Let's talk about another team that actually first, I forgot. We have some hot takes to go over

because we haven't done this in like three episodes and people are mad about it. We're getting a lot of comments like where are the hot tics at? We're leaving comments and nobody's looking at them. So let's know people will bone. Let's go. Thumb phone. That's crazy. All right, let's do it. I want to take a second to tell y'all about our newest partner, Underdog Fantasy. If you don't already know, Underdog Fantasy is the fastest and easiest way to play fantasy sports

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Yeah, I guess. Five's real tough. That's tough. We just did our rankings. And I think I think I had Tatum. Yeah. Tatum was either six or right outside. So it's a W take because it's reasonable, but I don't know if.

if I would have Tatum at 5 right now when everybody's healthy yeah yeah yeah y'all are right about that or you're right i'm gonna go i'll take is it better than janis no no is it better than step no no is it better than yokech no is it better than lucca no hell no is he better than kevin derrant debatable that's debatable the name i thought i thought you were going to go with imb i thought you were going to go with and be hell no that's at least six right there is it better than lebron maybe yeah he can give him to lebron this year you could say so so i don't know i think he's just outside the top five yeah all right that's fair lower case oh lowercase l it's not not too bad not massive at all okay drub sorry if i miss pronounce that name

i think it's indian i don't know dh r uv i don't know i don't know how to say that me either drub says that people are overreacting to tray's down season and he's still the best guard in the east best guard in the east are we taking Trey Young over Donovan Mitchell yeah that is ridiculous to say yeah like I'm sorry but Trey has been on fire

over the last 10 games he has like similar to 2020 22 2021 Trey Young's stats numbers but this season sad to say you need to let go of the nuts he is not the best guard in the east he is probably maybe third really I would say

He's been performing at the fourth But I'm being real So he's not the first I'm gonna spice you about your hawks I like that I like that bro Band-aid's off Have to be honest

Listen I'm gonna say W take In terms of people Are overreacting to his down season Probably it was just poor shooting luck To start the year He's still the same Tray Young But he's not the best guard in the east Like you said Donovan Mitchell's been crazy

So it's I don't know I guess half and half I think overall he is But in terms of this season He's not playing like There's certain things that are missing from his game that were integral last year. True. Yeah, I think the bigger issue is a fit with Dejante than it is Trey being worse.

No, I think it's the coach. It's not the fit with the with the Jontes. Same shit happens when Trey's off the, on the fucking bench. So it doesn't matter. Jezante, no. Listen, it went downhill when they added another point guard to play next to him. It needs the ball. That's all I'm saying.

All right, next one. Flash fanboy said that the Warriors won't even make the playoffs. Oh, that's that'll take Yeah, that's an LHC You say that? They're going to make the playoffs I get it They started slow

But they've been recovering lately We're going to talk about them a little bit later They're now up to the 6th seed Without Steph Curry I'm not going to predict They're going to fall off worse than they've been Yeah, exactly And Clay is fighting at stride

He just dropped 50 the other day Andrew Wiggins is back now Curry is about to He's supposed to come back Within the next few weeks I'm assuming or something like that They'll lit right now I know.

Yeah, we were talking about Clay, like he was a janitor to start the year, and now he's looking like Clay Thompson again. Exactly, but he had to beg fucking Charles Barkley on TV talking about some give me some time. Damn. On his knees begging for props, crazy? Yeah. Yeah, but he's looking good, so I think there's a reason to be optimistic about the Warriors, which I think that transitions us.

I think we should talk about the Warriors. Let's do it. So over the last seven games, they've won five. before that it was five in a row but they dropped the last two and as you know they were down there with the Lakers to start the year in poverty around 11 or 12 seed but now they're up to the 6 seed surprisingly and they've done this whole run without Steph Curry surprisingly yeah how are you all feeling about the outlook for this team

I don't I don't know I'm very I think I'm cautiously optimistic because the Warriors which okay one the entire league is kind of going through the whole thing when just nobody can win on the road there's like there's like three or four there's like three or four teams to have winning records on the road and like you said the words are the words are three and sixteen on the road which is absolutely ridiculous but at the same time they have the best record in the west at home they're 17 and four at home that's that that doesn't that doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense have you all

read or heard anything about why the road record so bad I feel like I haven't like I haven't following them close enough as like their diehard fans and analysts would so I don't know why they suck so bad in the road deal I don't I don't know either and I but I don't think again I don't think that it's just a warrior's thing because there's a whole bunch of team the nuggets and the grizzlies are both 500 they're they're tied for the one seed right now they're 500 on the road the pelicans who are two and a half came back they're their their sub 500 on the road there's I don't think that they're 16 is different though that's just like it's no it's like rocket's not a team bro but there's not a team but there's not a team

the Western Conference with a winning record on the road and I don't think that this is normal league wide I also it's it's clear that obviously like 3 and 16 isn't normal either so like we can keep it we can keep it to the worst but I don't know if being bad on the road is just like a them problem but I think the fact that they've been able to be 17 and 4 and have these crazy crazy wins at home is ridiculous last year the Warriors were 22 and 19 on the road so they were above 500 but they weren't crazy. But last year, the sons were 32 and 9 on the road.

The same exact way, that's the same exact record as they were at home. You know one of the 19s to beat them last year? We're the Hawks. Just throwing it out there. Oh shit.

And then... Wow. I have no idea what happened, but I'm assuming that he is still recording. Either way, he's probably gonna... Yeah, he's probably... Yeah, we're gonna get this.

Yeah, you know, got this. Damn, that is crazy. He's got sniping to oblivion. I actually let the FaceTime call Yeah, okay I'll leave that in there This guy Yeah, last thing I heard

Was the Hawks snipe the Suns last year Yeah The Hawks were one of the I was saying The Hawks are one of the teams Last year to go ahead And beat the Phoenix Suns

At their home At their homeless Yeah, well None of us know why the Warriors Suck at the road But they just do We'll leave that conversation To the people

That pay more attention to them And watch them every night But let's talk about This recent stretch where they're winning despite Steph. It's really interesting you look at the numbers because I think I think

we've known all year about Jordan Poole which his fans will tell you every five seconds is that he plays better when he's a starter and that he started off the year so bad because he went back to the bench and for some reason

he just can't cook when he's on the bench hey I mean over the last seven games he's averaging 28 points five assists and four rebounds but he's only shooting 26% from three on a ridiculous 10 shots per game so odd

yeah but yeah he's scoring a lot Like, I guess, like, helping their offense day afloat without stuff. I think, listen, I think, when you, when you look at, like, what pool's doing, if he would to do this over the course of a season, he would be the prime candidate for somebody. We talk about, and you're like, oh, those are empty stats because it's like, oh, somebody, like somebody has to score, right? And, like, the Warriors, surprisingly, the defense has gotten much better.

They're, like, over the last seven games, the third in the league in defense, which is, it's crazy. But I don't know if Poole is the answer for them. Like if he is going to end up being in the starting lineup, and we've kind of seen this back and forth between him and Clay and how are they going to match? Because everybody else has their role, right? Like, Steph is going to be out there, Wigs, Drey, Kavanaughan Lune. All four of them are going to be there.

Who's going to be in that two-guards spot? And is it going to be Clay Thompson who's been up and down? Or is it going to be Jordan Poole who apparently can't play off the bench in a like consistent banner well it's got to be played right like he's averaging 34 for the last seven games like he's the best one he's a better player yeah no i know i'm saying i'm saying if you're the warriors yeah yeah unless unless theft has this like crazy run the way that he did in the finals last year you're gonna need jordan pool to step up in a in a big way and there were times in the playoffs last year where he was basically unplayable because he can't really

play defense and so like coming off the bench i don't know I don't know, and so if we bring it back to like full picture with the words, I don't know what they look like long term. Well, the bigger issue is that he just needs to fucking figure out how to be good off the bench because, like, it makes too much sense role-wise. Like him as a six-man with Clay in the starting lineup fitting next to Steph Curry, it makes total sense. He just needs to figure out to get his rhythm when he's on the bench.

It's ridiculous that he can't. Yeah, exactly. And in terms of long-term, I'm starting to think that, I don't know. Like, I'm starting to do that if Jordan Poole is the best player on your team, long term than more than likely your team is probably not that good you're probably either mid or you're probably like fighting for your life teetering on the lottery and things like that you know and Jordan pool just doesn't seem like a franchise type guy he seems like the franchise is a guy guy like side kid he's not

though who thought he was I know some like teens on he's getting paid like he is that bad I mean I mean that that that contract is going to look better in a couple years it's like the cap the cap is going to spike is going to be okay. I'm with, I'm with you. The number looks crazy to see that Jordan Pool is getting $140 million. Yeah. Um, but I mean, listen, he's, if he's going to be your first man off the bench, he deserves that kind of money. He, he had a, he had a really big role last year. I think that like this, that like death, the new and improved version of the dead lineup that they had. Pool party. Yeah, the pool party lineup with Steph, Clay, Wiggins, and

Draymond, you saw that only worked against the Nuggets who were completely depleted and had Yokits. And then once they played the Grizzlies and other good teams, like, that just didn't work at all. Yeah. So those, that, that lineup isn't going to be able to work in the playoffs. They're not going to, they're not going to be able to go super small. And so I think, I think if you're the Warriors, best case scenario for them, because they're two and a half games behind the Mavericks for the four seed.

I think best case scenario is the four seed. you end up getting home court advantage in the first round and then you fight your way for the rest of the playoffs and that's kind of their ceiling right now well let's talk about most specifically these last seven games we're talking about you know the whole conversation is based around the fact that they've been looking good without Steph and managing to win games you alluded to it their fourth in defense right

when they had Steph and they're struggling throughout the year their issue wasn't really defense it was that their offense was fucking putrid without Steph on the court because they had no other creators and we're talking about Jordan Pool stepping into that role and Clay Thompson having a bigger role and they're scoring well, they're still just 23rd in offense during the stretch. Yeah. So I guess if you're taking a pessimistic view,

it's not super encouraging that their biggest weakness is still their biggest weakness, even though they're winning. Like, I guess you could say when they add Steph back into that, that can pick them back in their offense and their defense is going to stay good, but their weakness is still there. Like, clearly they still need, are they still incredibly reliant on stuff to a dangerous degree? So a question is, if they were going to go ahead and make a trade happen,

it's so hard to even think of a trade that would work and help aid their offensive woes because like who's out there right now who fits picture perfect for them and do they have the assets for that and it's hard because they're... Say again? Sorry, I didn't even cut you off. What do you think their biggest needs are? Fucking scoring in my mind

and also like fucking another wing or what had Jamichael Green been doing this season? I haven't been paying to them. Being old? exactly and another big of some sort who can actually do something productive but like at the same time like what are they going to

trade for like Yaka Purtle do you really want to give up James Wiseman a second overall pick for Yacapurdle They're in an interesting spot Yeah like you said they need some kind of scoring Or I think even more playmaking It was really what's important from another guard Which like you know it was supposed to be Moses Moody

But where is he at? Why doesn't Steve Kerr play him? I don't know exactly But I've seen a lot of a warrior as there's a report actually today that apparently the warriors are kind of internally concerned about having to give kivon looney and draymond green so many minutes because they don't have that front court death like you alluded to yeah i guess you could say they need another big that's i've seen a lot of warriors fans clamoring for that but you mentioned yaku purdle it's like a name that they're commonly linked to he's like too good right because yeah when you get to the playoffs

they're going to get 20 minutes a game from draymond at center 22 minutes a game with luni out there because he's been good so if they're getting a big in there he's only going to play for like 10 minutes in the playoffs so like how do you use your resources to bring that in you don't you don't they're stuck they're stuck with the team that they have you gave you gave Andrew wiggins the bag you gave jordan pool the bag these are the guys that you're going to go to battle with in the playoffs and wiggins has missed the last month and so now that like it's going to be very interesting to see what they look like in the next five games when wiggins comes back he had a really bad first game but hey, it happens when you take a month off of basketball, right?

So his perimeter defense is going to help a lot. Dante Devincento has been really good over this stretch. Jonathan Cominga has also showed a lot of growth. I think for the Warriors, in terms of the young guys with Kaminga, Moody, and Wiseman, it would have been perfect if all three of them stepped into this new role and flourished. You really only needed one, one and a half. of them to to really take that next step because you're only going to in the playoffs yeah like because in the playoffs in the playoffs what are you what are you running you're running an eight-man

rotation nine-man rotation at most like you're not running 10 deep in the playoffs unless you're like the classic warriors and you just have yeah you know strength of numbers but most of the time it's either eight or nine so you don't need crazy crazy depth um from from your young guys I think with wiggins coming back they're going to get they're going to get some some wing scoring going to get some defense back. Steph is going to come back in the next week. They are finally hitting their stride. And so I think that they'll be okay.

I don't think that there's a move out there that's smart for them to make. If they were to make a move, there's only one player, that is also what that is a real inch to that. But if they wanted to get frisky, which they never do, I don't remember in this era, the last time the Warriors made it. I don't think they ever have made one in the middle of the season like that already. at all, but Rui Hachimura on the Washington Wizards is an interesting name because he fits

exactly what they need, but his asking price might be a little bit too high, but at the same time, you never know with the watch the Wizard's name because they're met as he. That's a good name. That's a good name. Is it, what is, okay, so what does Ruri bring, Rui bring that you think could help them? Offense. He reminds me of Paul Milsap in a sense. Okay. That's definitely a poor man's Paul Milsap, but I see what you mean play style-wise.

Yeah, exactly. I don't know. How do you all feel about his defense? I guess I haven't watched it as a hundred wizards Yeah I was like I was thinking that I was like Is this defense good? Like I was like am I missing something? I feel like he's not a good defender at all Yeah no defense is ass

You're not looking at him for defense You're looking at him for straight hoops buckets, mid-range buckets in the paint Yeah Maybe I just need to watch more Rue Hachimura Because you said that name and I was like I want a guy who's a bad defender And just an okay offensive player

Yeah Perfect candidate? I don't know about that Yeah exactly what I see what I mean That is a mold they use You can call him a big wing It's like yeah he's nearer who brings size which they need yeah yeah like that they could what do y'all think about

kai i think if they could if they can get coos that would be fantastic i don't know they could get coos but the problem is could they resign him and extend them but they're already so deep in the luxury tax i don't know well they've shown i think if they can i i think joe lincoln is shown that he's willing to pay the the luxury tax i don't think that's a problem the other 29 owners might murder him if he pays another max salary They probably will, but guess what? To the other 29 owners, or I guess 28, because the clippers are running the bill up too. Get your money up.

Like, just stop being broke. Stop being broke. I actually don't know if they'd be able to sign him. I don't know if they have his bird rights to give him a max extension. Yeah, they couldn't. That's too much of a large ass. It would be interesting. Bird rights are confusing sometimes.

I think if you trade for a player in the season, you can't give him the max. You can only give him 25% more of what they currently make. Exactly. Which, Coosel might make more than that. He might be in for a big payday. Which is awesome. He probably is, but if the Warriors can get their hands on them, they should, I think that they should go ahead and get it.

You have a 34, 35-year-old, Steph Curry, I think. By the time the playoff start, Steph would be 35 years old. Damn. You, the same way. That's crazy. Yeah. Oh, my God. I know.

The same, and the same way. He's still in his prime. He's 35. Yeah. The same way that we talk about the Lakers, you know, kind of mistreating the back end of LeBron's prime, and not going out and you. using all their assets to go do it the warriors have to have the warriors have to do the same thing with step curry especially coming off a title yeah that that just seems kind of the right

thing to do for him so if you can get coups go ahead spend all your money that stadium prints they print money it's a monopoly money they're fine and they screwed up they screwed up last year they overvalued their young players guys like moody and comminga i don't think that they overvalued them though they i i don't i don't i really i really i really don't think so i think comminga showed a lot um comminga had some really good moments moses moody stays ready and in the he stays ready moses moody cannot play for three months and then come in and he can knock down two shots he had some really good moments as well and so you think and especially i know it's just summer league but he looked like the best player in summer league

he looked like he did not belong out on that floor with everybody else i'm waiting him to show and prove it Steve curr i guess is that he's he's at least making it seem like they held Yeah, I don't, listen, I don't, I don't know, maybe, maybe Moses Moody got, like, maybe he got gassed up by some of league stats and he just think that he's too good and he's already. James Wiseman, he's the one where it's disappointing, but you saw the flashes of potential with him and he should have taken, I, yeah, yeah, at least, at least potential, there was, there was times where, because you didn't need him to be Joel and B, you don't need him to go out and get 30 and be the anchor of your defense, right? you can well in some senses yes but with draymond green there to to help him all he needed to do was be solid defensively roll hard which is something that that the that the words haven't really had over this entire span and if you can be an athletic version of let's say Andrew bogit right maybe maybe a little bit more skilled than what bogit was as a like as an offensive finisher

not as a passer as an officer as an officer then I think that that they were smart in keeping him and not trading him away. Yeah. I guess it's easy to say in hindsight. It was a mistake because he's completely lost on defense and doesn't know how to play in their offense because it's complicated. But I see what you mean. I think we move off the Warriors.

So if the Lakers were cautiously optimistic or were cautiously scared to be optimistic, how are you all feeling about the Warriors? Are you overall hopeful for them? Yeah, I guess. I think I talked myself into being hopeful for them. Over the course of the segment, so I guess I'm optimistic for the words. Okay. Yeah, I would say so too.

I definitely am. They've shown, I think the level that they've played at, I'm not saying like they can continue throughout the rest of the season being okay without Steph Curry, but they're getting it together or on the right time, and he's going to come back sooner than later, and so they're back-to-back champs. I have no real reason to not be optimistic that they're going to hit. be in the playoffs and remain at the same course that they're in right now. Yeah, I think I agree.

Before the season, I said I thought they were going to win the championship again. That ship has sailed. Their defense is too bad. They've lost two new role players. But we said that for a reason. They have this pedigree. They can get back to that position, hopefully. They're going to be in the playoffs next.

Yeah, absolutely. Listen, we've been way too fucking positive. It's been 30 minutes of nothing but praise to these teams. We need to talk about some teams that are ass. Let's do it. Mo, you've been begging to talk about this team for weeks. Tell me what's wrong with the Toronto Raptors Toronto Raptors, man

This is a really interesting team I don't hate them And they just came off a win They just came off winning against the Blazers Against the Who the Blazers Yeah The Blazers are even worse right Dude the Blazers fell off a fucking cliff

They're in the number one seat a couple weeks ago And they fell off So screw that win The Raptors have lost nine of their last 13 games Oh my goodness yeah that's In that span they're 22nd in defense And 19th in offense Yeah

That is just the epitome of mid Maybe that's worse than mid It's below average And both sides of the ball Fred Ben's Gapr forgot Had to shoot threes Pascal's a guy He's an empty stats guy

He's an empty stats guy Pascal's a guy We're gonna give to him Pascal is a monster He's so good But it doesn't matter Because Fredman Vleek can't shoot threes Scotty Barnes is Michael Carter Williams

That's what he is Not really Not actually Not actually But he is having this offer He's more Tyreek Evans He's more Tyreek Evans He's more Tyreek Evans

than Michael Carter Williams He might be fine But he's sophomore slump. Ogen, Nogby pulled off. First month people were saying he might be an all-star. No, he's still Ogen-Nobie. He's back to his normal self. Yeah.

Gary Trent Jr. is going to get traded because he offers nothing to them. They have no big. Still. They have no big because precious that you has been hurt. And everything is so difficult for them because none of their players can pass well and none of their players can rebound well. They have to fight tooth and nail for everything. It's so you watch them play and it's just like they're making themselves struggle on purpose.

But playing all these huge wings. And it's ridiculous. Crazy thing is, Maasai offered Friend Van Vleet a big bag, $114 million. After the season that he just performed, after this season. I fucked that up. I said after the season. Yeah, he offered it after last season. Now people were like, he's playing like shit.

Why didn't you accept that? I kind of hate that. Of course, in hindsight, he should have accepted it because he doesn't know how to shoot. But going into this year, he's Fred Van Blit. He made an Allsper game a couple years ago. He's going to want the max. Like, I don't blame him for not taking that. I think he's kind of, I guess you have a point about that, but I think he's, I think he's playing

himself a bad. Listen, he's not that bad. He's just shooting threes. Like, he's fine. It sucks. It sucks that it played out like this, right? Listen, nobody ever goes into a situation trying to play themselves, right? It just happens, right?

You can, now, the only person that I can make that argument for was Dennis Schrooter. He should have known that he was not going to get $84 million or higher from anybody else. He's the only one. But for Van Bleep, again, the shooting, it's very, very tragic that he's having this awful year in a contract-type season. But I think, I think, I think everybody in Toronto needs a change of scenery. I think, I think Maasai might need to go. Fred needs to go. Pascal needs to, everybody.

Nah, Maasai is chilling. He just needs to stop being so scary. That's all. Stop being scary. I'm not saying he needs to. to get fired. He's halfway contend.

I'm not saying he needs to get fired. I'm not saying he needs to get fired. I'm not saying he needs to get fired. But Massage should definitely go somewhere else where he can rebuild and like from the ground up.

And maybe he could do that in Toronto if he trades everybody and goes the OKC method, but he needs a fresh slate as well. Okay. You see, we're talking about Frithough of playing himself.

We're talking like he's been like absolutely tragic, 10 points per game. He's averaging 18.6. Lavish year he average 20. So, like, yeah, he's making one less shot because he's making less threes. He's shooting 32% from three.

His two point percentage is exactly the same. Assess exactly the same. Turnovers are down. Everything's fine. He's still a good defender. He's just not making as many threes. Like, I think the Orlando Magic would still offer him a max contract.

I think. That's a great fit, by the way. That needs that. I would love to see. Oh, my goodness. San Antonio Spurs would probably offer him a max contract. Like, I think he'll be fine. He's making two less three is a game.

He needs to go to Orlando. He should be great. He's, bro, he's built like, like Jamir Nelson too that would be insane he needs to go there yeah but either way I think it'll be fine like I think

his shooting issues are exasperated for other reasons outside of just him which we should talk about they're not bad just because Fred Van Fleet can't make shots they're bad because their focus on versatility has led to them missing

the two key traits that come from small guys and big guys they don't have good passers and they can't rebound but I even just rebound they really the biggest issue is they can't create good shots if you look at their shooting percentages from every area of the court so like we're talking about rim short mid long mid three-pointers their bottom 10 and everything blue is fucking blue everywhere

cold everywhere's blue shit someone get these boys a blanket geez yeah and that was kind of the case last year too but it's just worse this year yeah I heard that goddamn that's a terrible joke I can't I can't let that go I can't let that go that was awful go go go go get the blanket That was bad That was bad

Yeah So they get bad Because they're like They're really scrappy Their first and turnover Percentage every year They get offensive rebounds And which they're still doing

They're still first and turnover percentage And their top They're six in offensive rebound But again They're bottom three And shooting from every area Besides the rim Where they're just 17th

So they're not even good at the rim They're just made as fuck And they're seconding transitions They're still getting out And running a lot They're really good at that But they're 29th in half court offense Which you know

It's kind of important And, yeah, it's everything, they just can't make shots. They're just playing a whole different style of basketball now. I haven't been watching them, and Raptors fans could probably speak more of this than me. I haven't watched them as consistently at least. And when I was watching JJ Rex podcast, the other day,

if Fredman, we was talking about how they were playing a different style of basketball, and he doesn't have the ball in his hands as much, and he's forced to take. His shots are come so wildly inconsistent, because some games, some games he gets like 7, 8, 9, 3s, threes off whatever and other games like two or three and they're just like really volatile and something like really important to mention is like yo you know like there's a screenshot there's a screenshot out there on Twitter the other night I forget who

they were playing I think they were playing the seven sixers but Scotty Barnes had the ball in his hands and they were treating that man like he had fucking COVID playing the six oh yes giving him the bench in the stream and that made me sit that made me sad god damn how is it's interesting for that um it's interesting I didn't know that. I didn't know that. He felt that way because I watched him play and I have Fred Van Fleet at my fantasy team. So I've watched a lot of rappers basketball and I watch a lot. I'm obviously watching him a lot hoping he gets me points. He doesn't shoot a lot. Like it looks like he's like facilitating primarily. Like he's not running a lot of picking rolls. I didn't look at the numbers, but probably

less than he was last year. He's keeping the ball moving, just making the extra pass and like that makes sense. You say that now. Maybe they're coached up to where he's not going to be spamming picking rolls. It's more like set up and it's run through the wings. Let Pascal cook. Let's Scottie playmake. Yeah. And now that you say that, and I know he feels like he's getting less of a role, is that a mistake, do you think? Doesn't he let him cook more? Yeah.

I mean, he seemed somewhat disgruntled and, like, as if it was not his fault, which I'm not saying it is or not or whatever, it may be. But, you know, he just seemed unhappy and he made it clear to the podcast. Like, there's some changes. I don't have the ball in my hands as much. And when you say something like that, you're just insinuating, this is why I'm not doing it so well. I'm not used to what I'm doing, you know? I buy that That makes sense to me

If he's the biggest weakness Right now is shot making That's like worse than he was last year It makes total sense that the cause that could be Him not being in normal rhythm Not getting the shots he's used to Yeah exactly So

Man The rappers are in hell I remember a couple weeks ago When we last talked about the rapids A release we like Mentioned them briefly You're like Ah they'll be fine

And that fine Just turned into No not really They won't be fine They're broken They're gonna trade Gary Trent Jr. Apparently he's available They should.

Gary Tran Jr. was shooting over his head last year. He had a good shot making season. He's all right. He's an okay player, but they don't need him. They have so many wings. They need to get something that can fix your weaknesses more than his duplicative skill sets. Yeah. Where do you want to see him go?

Who needs Gary Tran Jr.? There's a lot of teams that would fucking hop on that. Well, how much money is he making? I don't think he's making it crazy back. I want to say 20 or 18, something like that. Yeah, okay. That's not that crazy. I want to see him on the calves.

They need a three. Oh, on the calves would be nasty. To be honest, that would be absolutely disgusting. But off the top of the head teams that are fucking struggling shit. I wish, I wish the Bucks had enough assets to go get him. The Bucs need help. I'm feeling, I'm not going to lie. I'm feeling a little bit worried about my, like, you know.

Okay, let's hear it. Tell us, let's move this conversation. Tell us about the Bucks and why they need help. They're often sucks. And I don't know if, listen, I don't know if it's just because Chris Middleton isn't there or because like It is Listen, all of it

You think they're in time Every single problem You think every single problem with the bucks Is because of Chris Middleton Being in and out In and out the lineup Yeah I think a big part of it probably yeah

They're 25th offense on the year Which is insane So obviously The elephant in the room It's because of Chris Milton not being there They need him What we need to talk about from there is why do they need him so bad? You know what I mean?

Yeah. They, so, okay, so one, Drew Holiday is still, he's still playing a point. But Chris Middleton is a very big ball handler in that offense. And he, he facilitates a lot of what they do. And when you don't have that, once Drew comes out, now you put in the ball in Javon Carter's hands. You put in the ball in, you're trying to get Joe Ingalls, right, to maybe get some playmaking. Yonis can do it. Or bow champ.

the rookie I don't even want to say his name I don't even want to talk about him but Middleton is like a second point guard for them and so that's really big and on top of that somebody needs to get the ball out of Janus's hand somebody needs to take mid-range shots other than Janus somebody needs to take three other than Janus he

sees Chris Milletton on the bench he says I'm going to do your job I'm going to do my job and it's not working because Janus is not a good shooter and it just that that part just hasn't developed. And I don't know where we're going to see, I don't know where we're going to see Yonis be a great shooter. But right now, it's not even that he's having like bad volume, I mean, bad efficiency on small volume. It's bad efficiency. And he's trying to make it a part

of his game. And he needs to understand that. You don't have time for that, right? That's not your game. Brooklyn has passed you up. Boston is passing you up. You need to win games and you need to stop taking these threes. Well, let's talk about that real quick. Because you say you don't know when he'll be a good shooter. He's never going to be a good shooter. That's not really the issue. That's not really, like, what's happening. He was a fine shooter last year, and this year he's just falling off a cliff.

I saw a stat earlier. He's still being honest at the rim, right? Unstop with the rim, is what it is. He's shooting 26% on all shots outside of the restricted area. Which is stupid. It's ridiculous. Ridicrous. But last year, he was 41% from mid-range.

This year he's 28%. So, like, we decided in last year to get back to being decent. I do. Yeah. Where are those? Last year was 39, which isn't great, but it's fine for the, best rim score of all time yeah but this year it's 22% damn 22% from floater range

yeah yeah that that touch it that touches it's very weird for somebody who has immense touch around the rim like yannis to be like two feet out and still just not be able to do that that that's that's actually ridiculous yeah but i but it's also lowest it was career so like we always talk about unsustainable shooting luck and comes at threes why would he be shooting 22% why would that actually be reflective of a skill set i mean he did that he did that in the playoffs last year and i understand i understand they didn't have a lot of they didn't have a lot of space into to go along with it and you were playing boston but like i have not seen anything from me honest over an extended period of time that makes me say you know what yes like that's the

shot that i want to be a consistent part of your game yeah i mean just look at if you can look at every year of his career 39% 36 36 36 36 36 36, 38. Now 22. Wow. It's got to, there's got to be positive progression, right? Like, we're talking about this big issue, but that's unsustainably bad, right? So if we bake into that and just tell ourselves that we can't get too caught up in shot making bias, that like everything comes and goes with shot making, if that's the biggest issue, then I'm not that worry. You know what I mean? Chris Muson will hold it out when he come back. Long story short. That's what that's what I'm hoping. That's what I'm hoping. And like,

Especially because I have the Bucks winning the championship. I'm hoping that Chris Middleton comes in, fixes everything. The offense looks, the offense looks smoother. But it's still very, I know, but it's- He's not Luca. That's what I'm saying. It's very, it's very, it makes me a little bit nervous because you still have Janus, right? And I think, I think all three of us have Janus as the best player in the world.

You still have Drew Holiday. I got Lopez. Okay. You do? When did that happen? It happened like last week, bro. Oh. Oh, this man, he went on, he went on vacation.

He went on vacation and switched up on us. Okay. My back. Okay. I see you. I like it. I see you, though. I think that's actually very interesting that you, that you, I'm glad you said this.

Right. Anyways, but for Yonis to go ahead and do all of this. And for him to be recognized by the majority as the best player in the, in the world, still have, still have Drew Holiday. and be 25th in offense. You're surrounded by bums on offense. You're surrounded. You're surrounded by bums. And it's not pretty.

And so I don't, again, that's a, like Isaac said, it's a lot to put on Chris Middleton's back. And I don't know if him coming back takes them from 25th up to top seven. It's like them starting off the season so hot being winning. I think they went 9-0 or something like that. Yeah. And since then, they've been. not atrocious, but incredibly mid.

Incredibly mid. Yes. And like, they were like this, they were hooping without Chris Middleton. Now, was it the strength of the schedule? I don't remember off my head, like, just how ease those wins are coming by and who they were against. But it's an interesting conversation to have, and can Chris Milton fix all these problems? Like, honestly, I'm not going to trip too hard about it. Like, if Chris Middleton was there, then, okay, like, you got some issues, but he's not.

So it's like, maybe this is the reason why they had absolutely no issue paying Chris Middleton, the massive bag that they gave him a couple years ago because they realized just how important and integral he is to the honest. Yeah. They also did have kind of like an easy schedule to start the season. Like after they played the Sixers, they played the Rockets, they played the Nets who were an absolute mess. They played the Hawks.

They played the Pistons twice. They played the Thunder. Like they had games in there where you can kind of boost up the rest. record to get to 9 and 0, which is still impressive, but obviously, context. But I don't, I don't know, man. I don't know. They're sitting in the third seat right now, the two and a half games back. I'm standing pat that they're going to win the championship, but I don't know.

It's not, I'll tell you, I'm not as confident as I was early in the summer when I was like, we could just write it in. And it's, it's not looking good. I think there's going to have to be some changes. They are also a team that is a move away. They're going to be very, very invested into the buyout market because they just don't have the assets to go make a trade. Well, apparently they're trying real hard to get Jay Crowder, which they've been the biggest team linked to him. And that would help.

That would work. That would work for him. What does he even work? It was around Grayson Allen. Really? That's too much. A team deal around Grayson Allen going out. Get him out.

Grayson, I, I keep Grayson. For what? You'd rather have Grayson Allen than Jay Crowder? No, I don't, I, no, I definitely would rather have Jay Crowder, but I don't, I think Grace Allen is a little bit too much, too valuable, considering. Too valuable. Listen, you make me sound nasty right now, man. No, I, no, I really, I, listen, I, I, I don't, I don't like Grayson Allen and Allen and the, who does. Exactly.

The series, the series, the series, the series, the series that, the series that Grace and Allen. had in the playoffs last year was very, very annoying to say, to say the least. Because if he makes one three, like half a three more a game, they end up in the conference finals. Chris Milton comes back. We see what happens, right? This man, Grayson Allen, I do not like him. And I think that if you can get somebody like a Jay Crowder who can shoot threes as well

and can probably, and gives you more versatility on the defensive end, That is, that's, that's the, that's the move that you make. And then all you have to do is slide Pat Connington down to the two. And I think it, I think you're able to do a lot more. Grazen Allen, he's not handling the ball. He's not, he's not handling the ball. Bobby Portis is a shooter. Pat Connoitin can shoot.

If Middleton comes back, he can do that. Then I guess the only question that, that we would have is, is Bochamp getting in these minutes? Is he going to step up? Because at the same time, you're still putting Joe, like Joe Ingalls is here and they're reintegrating him into the lineup. He can also. He can, exactly, he can also be a shooter.

So you have pieces that can fill the hold that Grace and Allen is. You go out, you get Jake Crowder, you get veteran presence and somebody who's not going to come out and kick and trip people in the middle of a playoff series and get Grayson Allen far away. Get him away and go get Jason Allen. Long, dong tigers. Please, please. Have him go be an assistant coach back at Duke.

It's somewhere else. I don't care. He's best to be honest his legacy and it bothers me. This man hates Grayson Allen. I don't like it. I can tell That's a good talk I think we're all

Slightly worried about the bucks But we're not going to get too crazy Because They're still them At the end of the day When they're healthy Yeah to be honest At the end of the day

First second best playing the world Whatever we want to spend it He's him no real worries Oh shit Well I think at this point We're almost an hour in It's TikTok time Sheesh

I think it's time All right That's a mid transition I don't know We've had better we've had better well you're like point five for two right now point five for two

okay I'm gonna send you guys some name look what I just said in the GM not for a I'm happy listen first thing we're gonna do we're gonna do keep three cut three so okay I'm gonna name some NBA players y'all got a keep three and cut three

Trey Young Pascal Seaccombe Jalen Brown Damian Lillard Shade Gildes Alexander and Jimmy Butler Ooh this is tough this is tough Is this just like in general or like we build it out of a team or what we're doing? Just in general?

In general. Who's better right now? Just in general. However you take it. You got to keep three. You got to cut three. Can we make the first? Untouchables.

Donovan. Shagos and Alexander is untouchable. Yes. That wasn't my first cut. My first cut, get Tray Young. I'm cutting Trey Young. I'm cutting Trey Young. That's the first cut.

That's my first cut. Damn. My first cut is Trey Young. My first keep is Damien Lillard. What? Okay, that's fair. What? Yeah.

What? Are you serious? You said that way too easily. Have you seen Damien Lur's numbers? I'm saying they're literally surprised at him. I'm saying first and last. I'm picking between the point guards right now. That's where I'm focused.

Wow. And so that's why I'm going there. But I'm keeping, are you cutting? Mo, are you cutting Dame? Uh, I'm cutting Dane. This season, I'm cutting Dane. Just so far. I'm keeping Dame.

I'm keeping Dame. Yeah, I feel like I know where this is. Ha. We know, we know what they can be in the playoff setting. I got to,

we gotta keep them. For sure. I can, I can, I can let that slide. So, are we keeping Shay? I'm keeping Shay.

He can't go. I'm keeping Shay. Okay. Okay. He can't go. Wow. We got one spot left. This guy comes down.

Jalim Brown and Jimmy Butler. Jaylon Brown's average 27 fucking points of game, dude, as a second option. That's where I was going to go. I think I was going to go with Jaylen. Wait a minute. Do we got to cut Dame and keep Siakam and Jalen?

No. No. We can't cut Jimmy Butler. But you can't cut? Yes, we can. Yes, we can't. We got to cut Jimmy Butler? Yeah, I think I will cut Jimmy.

I don't want to. Okay, fine, we'll cut Jimmy. Y'all love with me. I think just in totality right now, give me. Yeah. It hurts to cut Jimmy. It really does. It really does.

I can't lie you. Pascal Seaccom is better than Jalen Brown. I would have to. Sadly, I would agree. I'm going to take Jaylon. I would agree with that. I think Siakhan, I have to, I'm big on giving Siakum respect. So I'm keeping Siakum.

We all rank Siakum above Jaylin. I know. I know. I know. Counterpoint. Counterpoint. I think Jalen Brown's bag is a little bit deeper. So much better of a defensive player.

Aesthetically, I think Jalen is better to watch. Who fucking cares? I can't. Oh my gosh. You didn't say what criteria. You didn't say what criteria. All right, you're the tie-breaking,

are we keeping Siakum or Jalen? I'm keeping Seacom. I have to. I'm a big Seacom guy. I love respecting Seacom, bro. And I love Jalen Brown. I got a fucking Jalen Brown jersey. Are you kidding me?

So I have to respect Seah. But I have to respect Seacom. Okay. That's fine. So are we keeping Seacom, Dame, and Shea? Yeah. I'm not keeping Shea. I'm keeping Seacom,

Shee. I mean, yeah, I'm keeping. Siakum, Shea, and I'm not keeping Dame, I'm keeping... Yeah, I'd rather have Jim Brown right now than Jimmy Rowley. Right now. Well, you got outvoted anyways for keeping Dame.

Yeah. A fuck, dummy. I'm sorry, I'm hating. That's a hard one. That was tough. That's a good list. That's a good list. That's a good list. I just picked like 10 people for my teens.

In my top 30 list. That's good. right next up we're going to redraft the 2017 NBA draft so why don't you go ahead and pull up the draft so you see everybody got picked and we're going to take turns going through

we're going to redraft the top 10 cool okay okay you don't got to pull up not yet hold on give me a second yeah I got it my Wi-Fi is better let's redraft the 2017

NBA draft and I'll go first Donovan you go second and Mo go third all right let's do it let's take turns going through top 10 non-snakes right

I think it's obvious I mean we don't got to talk about the first we don't got to talk about the first pick at all it's obviously Jason Tatum okay yep a hundred percent Jason Tatum second pick second pick very easy Donovan Mitchell going second over even easier than the first pick yep even easier and I'm going to pridefully take Deeran Fox at the third pick that's where it's interesting it's are you picking Dearen Fox over a bad amount of bio? Well, I have no, I can't go back on my word, so why are you trying to put me in this position? Yes, you can.

Yes, you can. You can go back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're talking through it. Yeah, I'm taking the airbox. What? Oh, bam. Yeah, you're tripping. I'm taking the air fox.

Okay. Okay, well, then Bam has to go forth, right? Yeah. Yes. So go ahead. Okay, Bam's four. All right. If Bam's fourth, now I got to, now I got to pick between, we either going OG, or we're going

Larry Marking in That's a tough one Louie's been so Last year obviously been OG But Larry's been so good this year I know that's This is Larry better than OG What's going to do

OG's like First Team All defense level of a defender But Larry's in the bucket Facket Fackets I don't You know what And this is

This is super Super unfair but I'm going to go with OG because he's been less of a disappointment than Lowry has over the course of his career. Larry's, he's really stepped it up but I also think that this is a very like situational step up for him.

Props to him for doing it, but he's in Utah like there's nobody else. But for OG, I think OG's defense clears here. So I'll take him over Larry. I agree. Okay, then Larry has to go next at six, right? Yeah, yeah, I'm taking Larry. Easy one. Let's go. Okay, cool. Larry's six.

Seven. Is it Kyle Kuzma? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Eight. Who else? Who else? Do we go Lonzo Ball at eight?

No. I would. No? I think I would go Josh Hart at eight. Cool. Over Lonzo Ball? I'm doing Jared Allen. Jared Allen.

Jared Allen. Oh, Jared Allen was 2017? Yep. Word? Oh, we got to move. Let's move people down. Oh, okay. My bad, my bad.

Rewin. Rewin. Rewin. Jared Allen's above Kyle Kuzma. Jared Allen's above Lauer Markman? yes okay is he above OG he was an all-star last year is Jared Allen above OG I would say yeah yeah so Jared Allen was there OG goes down Larry goes down Kuzma goes down so everyone Josh Hart over Lonzo no yes I would because because the injuries I guess I get that yeah the

injury makes sense okay okay Josh Hart at 8 Josh hard next man wait is you serious right now wait wait wait Wait, we're taking, wait, we're taking, we're taking, we're taking Josh Hart over Derek White, correct? Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, I'm fine with that. Cool. Then, yeah, I think, I think we're good there. Okay, what about John Collins or Lonzo?

John Collins. What do we do about Lonzo's knee? Like, that whole, do we think he's, like, fucked? He can't walk up the stairs, so you have to think so. There's no timetable on him whatsoever, which is scary. Yeah. No timetable of dangerous territory. so he's cooked

Is Josh Hart better than John Collins No No John Collins put up 20 and 10 At one point For almost two years Of his NBA career Yeah I'm gonna go

That's swap though I'm gonna go John Collins John Collins then Josh Hart Yeah I respect Then do we give Lonzo ball that last spot Yeah No No

Give him some benefit for the doubt Come on Markell Markle Go fuck yourself Markkel is nice But no Markkel is still playing

Yeah, he's nice. Lanz or not? What about Jonathan Isaac? Yeah, we're giving the last spot to Lanzo ball. What about Jonathan Isaac? Johnthin Isaac is not exist. Johnthin, Isaac, is the friends who made along the way. He's been to play this season.

I don't believe you. I've seen the reports. I don't believe him. You'll give you some gospel vibes in the locker room. You need that. Good Lord. All right. I like that.

2017's a good-ass draft, man. It really is. Got some hopers. I know. all right next up we're going to do a recent fan favorite segment we're going to play 20 questions okay okay i want to i want to guess because i have my my name last time was awful okay so should i think of the name yeah okay i'll beat the one and think of the name all right okay i got mom i need us to do some type of fusion thing fusion yeah we got to make this work all right

cool let's do it about 20 questions to guess the NBA player i'm thinking of cool let's run it Was he drafted after 2010? No. No? I don't think I'll double check, but no. Okay, that tells me, Donovan, that he is in between, it's anywhere between like 2008, maybe, and maybe 11, but we'll see what his research comes out to.

Yeah, I want to get some clarification on this. Actually, no. Actually, yes, he was drafted after 2010. Oh, okay, okay, cool. is he a front court player no okay

has he made an all-star team no damn is his primary team in the eastern conference I don't know what his primary team is yeah yeah sounds like a fucking journeyman okay cool all right

has he been a meme at any point of his career Has he been a meme? There's a lot of fucking memes out there. I don't know. That's such a weird question. He's not like a known to be a meme. So he has no cloud.

That's a waste of a question. He has no clout. Okay. Damn. Meme is how we judge cloud, right? Yeah. It's a good telltale. Some people make millions.

Other people make memes. Is he considered a shooter? Yes. Hmm. What's he light skin? Oh, that's good. No, no. I think he's, no.

okay he's dark wait what's gonna end up happening he's gonna be like a caramel mode type of color he's gonna be a light brown nobody's ever nobody's ever called him light skin okay

cool all right cool I feel like he could also be white he stumbled on his words and I was like wait like he took the long to answer that as he could be playing with this right now

was the team he was drafted by in the Eastern Conference What team was he drafted by? Damn, this dude was a scrub! I just don't know. Let me Google this real quick. Just pull up his backball.

So he was drafted after 2010. He's a guard. All right, we need to settle. We need to cut down this. Yes, he was drafted by an Eastern team. Ask those, okay. Okay. Was he drafted?

Real quick, do you know how many questions you're at? No. Five or six or something like that. I think okay was he drafted after 2015 no okay cool what's okay okay was he was he a first round pick yes okay first on pick shooter Eastern Conference but he's already moved around because he because Isaac said that he doesn't know his primary team though back court player okay uh damn I want to look at teams right now but that may be considered as cheating,

so I ain't going to do that shit. I mean, I don't care. All right. Is his, well, did he average more than 12 points in his career? Nope. That's such a random number.

I don't think that would have... These ass. These numbers help. We got to think... We got to think about... He's a shooter, though. I mean, he's not like a capital S shooter, but like, he's not a non-shooter. Is it Ben McElmore?

It's not been McElmore. Was that a good guess? That's not a question. No. No. He was drafted by the Kings. Oh, you're right. Fuck, that was a terrible guess.

Played yourself. Was he a top 10 pick? No. He was outside of the lottery. Damn. Wait. Okay, yeah, he was outside of the lottery. Shit.

Uh, kind of. Okay. Um, um, uh, Mo, what, what height do you want to settle at to ask if he's over? Is he? Because we know, listen, we know he's a guard. Yeah. So I don't want to like, is he, do you know how many questions you're at?

I keep forgetting. I think nine or ten or something like that. All right. I was thinking 11. Okay. Okay, fine. We'll go 11. Yeah, 11.

Do you want to go? Donovan, I'm thinking, is he over a 6-3? What question do you want to ask? I was going to ask point guard a shooting guard. Okay, let's do that. That's better. That's better. Okay.

Is he a point guard? No. He's a two. Okay. Okay. He's a two. So he was a disaster of a, not a disaster, but. Disaster of a two guard, but not a, he's a, he's outside the top ten.

Yeah. Outside the top ten. 2010 to 2015. Yeah. Eastern Conference teams Think about tighten up Wait so wait Donovan what is he a point guard or a shooting guard

He's a shooting guard he's a shooting guard Okay This is tough My scanner's going hella crazy right now I'm scanning the 2010 draft I'm scanning the 2011 draft I don't I don't I don't remember those drafts 2011 was the Kauai draft

2012 I have a feeling you're not gonna know this guy was drafted in these years Was the Damian Lillard AD draft I don't think you're gonna know this guy's draft left 2014 was I think Yeah we really have to tighten up we're

We're really sucking right now Yeah It's the worst one we ever had You guys have gotten nowhere We're stumped because like Okay It's not like it's not a It's not a deep cut like you know this player

I mean Is he in the NBA today still? No He's asked Donovan Well, dang, listen, there's a lot of people not in the NBA How am I supposed to know? Is this fucking North Cole? No, it's not Norse Cole. Damn, he's a shooting guard, I don't know. Do the ask the divisions question. You're running at it. You're running a low on

questions. Y'all are tightened up. How many do we have left? Let's say seven. Okay, seven questions left. Is this player's primary team in the Atlantic division, which is Knicks, Nets, Sixers, Raptors, Celtics. Primary teams. Let me see what team played the longest time. This dude was so ass, bro. Um, he played the same amount of years on two teams. Let's say no, no. Okay, so he bounced around in the, so he was in the Central Division, I guess, and

then Southeast Division. for a couple years who are bad shooters bro a name in my mind that I would the reason why I asked the meme question

because I immediately thought of like oh is this Lance Stevenson because he was a fucking meme he was not that good at all you know the meme question had had power to

but he was not a meme he had zero clout he was a shooter he was drafted outside of the outside of the lottery mom I'm gonna need you to listen I'm gonna need you to carry me fam

carry me I mean we have six more questions left yeah okay six more questions left so he was not light-skinned either okay uh who's a good shooter we didn't we got nowhere yeah like I'm stuck was he a good defender how do yeah yeah he was a good defender he was a three and D type of dude mm-hmm you're getting warmer are we know I hope so. He's so mid. We got like five questions left or something like that or four.

Who is drafted? Who was drafted then? What he drafted in 2011? Yes, actually. Wow. He was drafted in 2011. So that was the Kyrie Irving draft. You just said that was the Kuwait draft.

No. Yeah, both. Oh, they were both in now? Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. Cire was in that. was in that um i think jimmy butler wait wait 2011 wait he wasn't also so it's not in the league anymore

he's not in the league anymore yeah he's not in the league anymore yeah i don't i don't know who these people are i don't know these draft classes like that yeah and then you're not going to know this guy was drafted this year it's going to be a surprise dude he was mid and he's the thing that's getting means that he's not playing in the NBA anymore in 2011, although it was a long time I wish I could look up this draft so bad. Yes, same, dude. Paul George is in that draft as well.

Who's out the league, bro? Yeah, this is tough. It's been, or I guess it's been, wow, it's been 11 years since that draft. Damn. I can't think of a guard. Has you made the NBA finals before?

Yes. Good question. Is this? Okay. Made the NBA, made the NBA finals. Here we go. All right. That was our key.

That was our key. If we think about the team from 2010, is this going to be, I'm not counting this as a question. This is a question to my partner. Okay, cool. This is a question to my partner. Good clarification.

I look he feel like, do you know when Deshawn Stevenson came in the game? Deshawn Stevenson I think he was And he was a Dallas Maverick right Yes Yeah no I think he was he was after 2010 So he was he wasn't

2011 There's no way he was no no he was in Oh well he was okay he wasn't a rookie That would be a stupid guess There's no way That's why I'll address to my partner I thought we had to discuss things Scratch Deshawn Stevenson

So he made the finals So think about the teams that made the finals in that era in the east so he has to be on the miami heat i'm assuming no no he well it has to be the heat it could be the bucks well no no no because he was drafted because yeah he drafted in 2011 well yeah that is true yeah he was drafted by an eastern conference team and he's made the finals and so it's like so the only two eastern conference teams that have made it have been you have the calves you have the calves the heat and the raptors oh so shit. This is Imman Shumperd.

This is... This is... Ah! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Oh, my goodness. Anything is possible! Oh, my goodness, man. Shout to my mom, man. I'm gonna break down.

Oh, my God. That was so tough. When you throw out... When you threw out the cab, I was like, oh, fuck. 2011. He was driving in 2011. That's in Mon Shumper. They didn't believe in us. They didn't believe in us. That was so intense. I feel like men in the year right now You're like going to do

You all I'm fucking sweaty Yeah I could cry right now man This shit needs something to me man They didn't believe in us man Don't it's crying This is serious This means something to me You know what I'm saying

You're actually trying right now This is important That was great teamwork play Amman Shumper See We were out We were out for the cause Like, this is, this is real.

I'm crying laughing. Donovan is really crying over 20 questions. That was a beautiful teammate. I love winning. I love winning. Thank you, Mo. Bro. I told you to carry.

I told you to carry it. I told you to carry it. You threw me a bone. Why is he crying? I'm just a kid. This is fantastic, man. Oh, my goodness. It's fantastic.

If y'all are still watching, comment, why is Donovan crying? This is great. Man, that was fantastic. This is the funniest moment of show is sweet. Oh, my goodness. I can't enjoy me. Tears over him on Shumper. Yeah.

Oh, my God. 2012 Shump was different. You got to understand. Yeah. You're the next fan, too, so it means something to him, Don. It means something to him, Isaac. I can tell anything is possible. When you're going to jump towards ATL, I was just like this.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes. Oh, that's funny as fuck. Okay. We got one more TikTok left. I'm going to send you off some pictures. Let's go.

Oh, we have two TikToks left. Ooh, okay. Let's do it. I forgot you had one. I'm going to send you all some pictures. Okay. And the funny pictures, I'll say that. We're going to do something we did last week.

We're going to react to some pictures of NBA players if they were bald. Woo! What's doing? All right, let's see this. Y'all rate these players in 1 to 10 based on how they look bald. Okay. Okay. I should y'all rate these players from one to ten

based on how much they can pull off a bald head first off Devin Booker now this man I don't know he looks like oh man he has an egghead for real man he has an egghead for real man this is brutal

I want to say he don't look about bad but man I'll say what like five he's just mid he's just a mid ball guy The beer is saving him. That, whatever that is, it's saving him. Oh, yeah, he can't go hairless. He can't be like those cats.

Like, that, that's going to be crazy. But this is okay. This is passable. He looks like the character in the sitcom that dates the main character's daughter. And they think he's down to, they think he's up to no good, but really he's a good guy. This looks like him. Yeah, man. He works at a factory.

So specific. Yeah. He works at a factory. Real salt to the earth guy. Listen, you put a fitted on this guy. He's working. Okay, that is true. But that's cheating, though.

We're talking ball ahead. Who looks good with a shiny. That's true That's true What about Kevin Durant Listen everybody wants to go bald What do y'all think about this This looks like Kevin Durant

Right now Like I don't think he looks different This don't look Yeah I like this This is a W Listen better than having ground beef on your head That ground beef is brutal bro

Taco meat on his head bro You make $40 million a year And you can't spend $4 at Walgreens on a brush man that's that's despicable yeah man all right what about his teammate carrie irving you see carrie oh martin luther irving let's see what no he for real looks like martin luther irving here yeah he looks like an activist well he looks like world be free yeah people will be calling him world be flat he looks

exactly like world be free in the picture that's great um this is hilarious it's not that bad though honestly i feel like honestly like everybody scamming uncle You have to have, like, really makes eyebrows, and it looks like he has that in this picture. Yeah. He looks extremely 1970s. Yeah. Aggressively 1970s. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. I'm looking at him, like, when is the next March, my brother? Shit. What about Nicola Yokic? Oh, man, this is... This looked like Yolkid right now. This hair hairstyle a couple years ago. not even he's an ugly individual period he looks like what he made a couple years ago he had this

last week if you ever wondered what patrick star looked like in human human form this is it right here this is rip my joke he did recycling this guy yeah yeah all right so what like eight seven or eight he he looks mad regular yeah like eight eight seven okay man he looks like the Michelman and y'all are okay next one

Paul George he looks crazy he looks straight out the 80s oh man this is so criminal he was like he just came from a disco club yeah no facts he can be working security somewhere that's a great comparison

he looks like an intimidating ass security guard facts he looks like he flirts he looks like he flirt with mad ants I don't like Okay, we'll say like, I'm rocking I like the 80s look here

I'm gonna go 7.7 We're gonna be very specific Whoever a photoshop this was in their bag We call shiny that shit is Yeah, I know Yeah, this is a 8 to me Maybe a 9 looks really He can pull it off

Yeah, maybe What about Jama rant? Why do you use this picture, man? He looks like a lesbian in this man I was like a lesbian straight up why use this picture yeah no

this is not doing it uh this is this a two yeah this is violating he looks devious I'm questioning John Morant on all levels now this man

this man looks sassy man yeah exactly this is terrible the way his hit turn I don't know I don't like I don't like this from John Moran

this is mm-mm mm-hmm yeah he looks like so like a solid eight no no oh my bad eight no my bad

four four four he looks like a solid four yeah this is not good I want to say some things but man I can't say it that's just hilarious that's all the pictures I got these were less funny than last time

last times looked worse yeah most these look fine yeah my goodness I think you have a TikTok for us to close us out yeah I got a I got a TikTok for you guys

and I'm going to send it in the chat let's do it okay what's this one about let's people know all right cool so I'm going to send us in the chat I'm going to send us in the chat right now so you guys can try to get your guesses up or whatever well let let people know what's TikTok is cool cool cool cool all right so y'all for the podcast group this this segment is called guest the NBA player by nickname now this is for the TikTok okay there we go I want to see if you guys can guess the NBA player by their nickname okay so I'll be really bad at this I'm kind of scared these are gonna be ridiculous because half half the NBA doesn't even have nicknames and like you just go on the basketball reference page and it's like nobody's ever called them this yeah I'm gonna go ahead oh fuck no I just sent them by

accident no I'm not I haven't looked I haven't looked I haven't looked I it's a good Did you look? I saw one. Which one did you see? Which nickname? I did see the nickname. I just saw the person. Okay, cool.

Well, I guess we can still do this, okay? There's one nickname that I left out. Start from the bottom. And it's cool. So I'm going to start from the bottom, okay? This should be easy. Kobe Wade. That kind of gives you the way.

Is that Dean Wade? No, it's not D. Wade. Kobe Wade? Dean. Yeah, Kobe Wade. And they also called him bubble cheese. Bubble cheese Bobby Wade

Yeah Who the Who is this It's not Dean Wade Nope Bubble cheese Yeah Where do I go with that

What the fuck is bubble cheese Think about See this is exactly what I was talking This is exactly what I was talking about What part of the country No no announcer has ever said Bubble cheese And now you want me to get on this TikTok

And try to guess anybody called bubble cheese and now you're mad because you don't know bro you're supposed to be in your back with the division of this shit what part of America would call nickname a player there is somebody is it are we talking about

who is this Michael Red? No but that's not a terrible guess OJ Mayo somebody from the Bucks I guess No I just have Brandon Knight Nah that's not a terrible guess though But keep on going to I'm just naming Bucs

at this point No it's not no one on the bucks it's in the east though is it Tyler hero is it Tyler hero no he played majority of his career on the east I don't know who is this yeah yes Dion waiters you should hate yourself after that why why because nobody's ever called him that bro the Kobe was a nasty comparison for him okay what's the next one all right next one the next one I'm upset should be relatively easy all right we got about the last one okay we got this the servant just say it

the servant oh I know though that's Kevin Durant nice there we go okay there we go okay he got it's an awful nickname and he the fact that he turned down Slim Reaper is that call me the servant yeah that's disgusting didn't and and didn't Kevin Durant say that he didn't like the nickname Slim Reaper yeah yeah that's what I just said yeah He do not be hearing you. Oh, no, shit. My earpaws is... That's why he bitch your joke, too.

Yeah, my earpaws are fucking quiet, probably. But anyways, all right, next nickname. Y'all ready? Yeah. All right, cool. Who is the big penguin? The big penguin? Yeah.

Ah. It's got to be a big white guy. Is this Nicola Yokic? No. He's not white either. Oh. I don't know. why I thought that. I'm just, I'm just got to think about five people. This, uh, this big baby? No.

The big penguin. Who was in charge of these NBA nicknames? See, if you're asking that question, how we expect it to get this? This is what makes it plenty and you're looking at the page. You're looking at the page. Yeah. Keep on going. Keep on running them. The big penguin. You already know it's a, it's a center or whatever, so who's on Lord Hibbert? Is it Andre Drummond? Yeah, Andre Drummond. Oh, what the heck?

Donovan, you ass, boy. I thought nobody's ever called him that. All right. Last one. All right, the last one that I'm going to do. Guaranteed you guys have probably never heard this player before, but his nickname is bad porn. Bad point. Yeah, I'm going to set this one out.

I'm going to set this one out. Yeah, I got it. I don't even know. where to go with that. Yeah, you can go a lot of, a lot of places with that, sadly. All right, who is it? Just tell us.

Corey Magette. I don't even know. What the fuck? Yeah, Mugetty, yeah. There we go. Yeah. Do you remember him? Yeah, of course I remember Corey Mgett.

I remember his name. I don't remember his awful nickname because once again, nobody called him that. Nobody ever said that. Yeah, this needs to be a direct shot at two, at the people who run basketball reference, because what the hell? that's funny

yeah all right well last the end of the show again if you're watching the end comment why it's done of the crying because I still want to know we'll see you guys next time we'll see you guys next time