The Deep 3 Podcast - The Most Underrated Player On Every NBA Team | Ep. 171

Episode Date: December 13, 2025

Every NBA team's most underrated player! #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Mo's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 3:50- Northwest Division 32:20- Pacific Division 46:30- Atlantic Division 1:09:09- Southwest Division 1:26:01- Southeast Division 1:38:19- Central Division 1:43:37- tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I just sat here for about five minutes thinking of something interesting to intro this episode with. And I couldn't think of a single thing. So that being said, you guys see the title today. We're here to talk about one player on every single NBA team that is better than you think. The most underrated player on every single NBA team. Don, who was one thing outside the NBA is better than you think? Carrier cake. Care cake, okay.

Oh, he bent sleep. Carecake been like that. No, no, no. I've known. They haven't known. They haven't known. I've been up. I pull up my top five cakes right now.

Top five cakes? Carrar cake ranks highly. Okay. I guess so. Listen, play the music game. We'll come back with the list. He actually has a list. Okay.

With that, dude said, you guys know what we're here to do. One player in every single NBA team. Donovan's going to prep some carrot cake stuff while we're at it. Also, before we get into it, though, check out our winter merch that just dropped. I'll have that on screen right now if I remember to edit it. And check out House Call, our NFL show that we've been doing. The playoffs are right around the corner.

This most recent episode that came out earlier this week, we had a very great Donovan crashed out about the Philadelphia Eagles. a lot of good rage bait going on there check it out now cue the intro music we're throwing it back oh that's crazy

he was bragging I hope you just said the cranium is crazy oh my god thank you all right crowd eaters rejoice okay intro's over

Donovan what do you have prep for us right now mind you this is a note from 2020 of my top five cakes, no order. Nothing has really changed, but here's where I got. All my top five is carrot cake. I told you guys about that. Two, German chocolate.

I'm not really, like a regular chocolate cake. I don't really like that. The, and even with coconut, like, coconut stuff, I normally don't. Don't German chocolate have, like, all types of nuts in it? It has, like, it has, like, like, coconut shavings on top of it. With all types of nuts, too, right? I actually don't know what, 100%. I'm just making it, I'm just too much going on for me, man.

Normally, I don't rock with chocolate cake, German chocolate. I like that. Okay. Secondly, or, as you know, thirdly, red velvet. Red velvet is fire. Especially when you get the cheesecake icing, like that. Fire. Number four, tiramisu, need that.

Oh, hell not. This is where you lost me. Need that. That's where you lost me. I just started, I just started liking coffee. Still can't. Exactly. When your palate expands, when you grow up, you'll come to like it.

And then number five, you can't go wrong. Just a regular vanilla vanilla cake. No chisletches? That's actually my least favorite cake. Get the fuck. That list is not valid at all. That is, that is, I hate that cake.

That's so, with everything in my heart. You ranked, what German chocolate cake and not trisletches? I, I've had it. I don't want to strip half of his identity away. I've had it served to me so many times.

Give me your middle name. I've had, I've had it served to me so many times and I've had to decline it so many times. Why don't you like it? I don't, the texture, I can't do it. He's, He don't fuck with the cream. That's what it is.

He don't fuck with the cream. It's not, it's too much for me. Yeah, I get it. You don't have. And normally, I'm not even a guy that's like, you know, the texture, but like that, I can't do that. That's not me. It's embarrassing.

Winnie Hut, Jr.? That's not mean. So that being said, that is the icebreaker. Donovan's five favorite cakes. Let us know how terrible his cake opinions are in the comment section below. And with that being said, we're getting into it. Every single NBA team, one player on their team is better than you think. This is kind of hard for me because I feel like I'm so like,

just so tapped into like the discourse on every player zoom out and be like okay for the average NBA fan that watches primetime games and follows Instagram and stuff what type of like role players they overlook? Things like that that we know we talk about a lot but maybe some people don't so I have some of those that to our fans you know how good they are but some people might overlook them still exactly

and we all have 10 teams we'll go division by division Donovan you go first let's start with the Northwest Division I think you have OKC right? Yes I do have OKC Who is one player on the OKC Thunder that's better than people think Shout out to the underrated guys in the league. I'm going with Chet Honger, and that's my pick. Just the guy who won the finals last year. Well, they all did.

Exactly. Okay. But yeah, I think that Chet, for the last couple years, especially we talked about it consistently all last year. He had him coming back from the injury and the way he looked and how that affected him. The year prior where, or I guess two years prior than that, where he had missed actual time where he had a foot injury before the season even started. now you have people thinking that chat is just this very brittle very weak 7-2 guy who can't really do much i'm telling you right now this guy is a demon and he is he's back he's back he's healthy the jumper the the the three-point shot has never really like left it's always been around like the high 30

percent the mid he's back and when the and when the mid he's back and when his scoring is back now you're seeing the full evolution of somebody who we can legitimately have conversations about Deshae, and now you have J-Dub and Chet, who's going to be, J-Dub has already made an all-N-B-A team. Can Chet get there? I think he can. Now we have to start having these conversations about who is legitimately the second best player on that team, and Chet is starting to get in there.

That's how good they are. We don't care about the conversation about will they win the West, will they win 70 games, will they go back-to-back? Are they one the greatest teams ever? We're all kind of resigned to that, probably ending up a reality. The only thing we can talk about is, yeah, but who gets the All-MBA? Who gets a second All-Star spot? That's how dominant they are.

Yep, that's the real conversation. And this season, I can proudly say I am officially now on the Chet bandwagon. You guys been on it for a minute now. He's been on it for way longer than everyone, Brad. He got the second that Chet got drafted, and I think two months into our off-season videos, when we did our power making's video, Chet didn't play a game. He said he was like a top 12 power forward in the league. You're disgusting.

I had Chet at 15. I had Wemby at 14, already upper half of the league. I didn't have to play before. I think he would just sit at the state of the power forward position. or the big position back in. But regards to the fact, I officially think that he is like that. I officially think he is like legitimately one of the best like top five bigs in the league, whatever way you want to put it, right.

Congrats on finally figuring it out. I mean, he's shown the, for me personally, the issues was the consistency that he would show, that he would show on offense. And now I think he's been giving a lot more opportunities on the ball to get his bag off, which is something that was not, not prioritized in OKC at least. which is fair to say and now they're doing that the defense is still the defense

the shot is more consistent and I just like seeing him get more responsibility because that's what sets him apart from every other big like him What's crazy is this still not prioritized they still don't really care about his scoring numbers like that

yeah they still plan a power forward which is good for their defense I say Hardin Sign has been insanely important for them this year offensively as a hub as a screen setter for Shea and all the stuff so it's worth it to start double bigs for many reasons right it is entirely antithetical

to Chet Honggren having good numbers and Chet Hungren maximizing his value, his notoriety around the league as a score as a offensive player in general. He should be at center if you were making the goal to prioritize Chet's reputation. Obviously, I don't give a shit about that. But in these games, since Isaiah Hartensat's been out,

you're seeing that. He's way better as a role man at the five when there's more spacing, way better attacking off the dribble against centers and power forwards because he's quicker than bigs, but not stronger than power forwards. So he needs to be at the five

to maximize his pick and pop ability. He's picking rollability. The little turnaround jumpers he can do against lower defenders who can create separate against at the five he's a legit great 20 point per game score and on the topic of that did you guys see this clip where grason allen decked him and shea had this reaction you said d the face he made i'm not gonna lie i hate to do it but i am a grace and allard allen defender in

this moment because a couple of plays before this grace and all just pushed the fuck out of or just head homeroom pushed the fuck out of grace and allen when he was trying to just line us line himself for a fucking rebound yeah nevertheless he went full football mode and threw him to the ground. Listen, I'm glad Grayson Allen felt like he could get back as a man. They lost by 40 and this is resulted in a technical foul for Chet. I'm not going to lie. This is this kind of rage bang or foul baiting for someone like Shay, too.

Yes. And now, also, we say all the time, you either win the game where you win the fight. Grayson Allen is trying to win the fight. Again, losing by 40, you have to leave here with some prize, some dignity. Go ahead and do this. You're picking on the tallest player on the floor. Shout out to you, Grayson Allen. I like that.

And Joe Holmgren respond today with the laughing emoji. Oh, it's all good fun for the guy who's chess probably hurts from this moment. Oh, yeah, it's 100% game, dude. And you mentioned up top that when you started and you introduced Chad Hongren as your pick, that people talk about him as this soft seven-footer. That's still a prevailing sentiment. So I think even though the NBA Masters, no Chad Hongren is a good player, he still gets hated on more than his praise, I think, just for being this like big-for-nothing,

skinny seven-footer, sorry a seven-foot I've ever seen in my life, can't post up anybody. That's still a prevailing narrative. So I think he's a very worthy pick here because, spoiler, next week. is going to be our Christmas episode and we'll be ranking the top 30 players in the NBA. He will be on my top 30. He will be in my top 20.

I might be aiming higher. I don't know. I'm thinking about it. I'm going to discourse in my head right now trying to figure out who I rank amongst these promising young bigs that are all blowing up this year. Chet will be high.

Yeah. I think also, I feel like right now and especially with Wendy missing all this time, like he's probably not even going to be eligible if he misses like any time whenever he comes back. Eligible for your list?

No, no, no, no, eligible for, like, all NBA or any awards, anything like that. So if Chet can stay healthy and he does all this stuff, he is right now the favorite to win DPOY. And as much as, like, every single year we come in and we say, if Wembe can stay healthy, DPOI is his. And it's like, it's locked up, right? I kind of, I feel like that for, for Chet as the number two. What? Do you move the bike away when you do that? I can hear that.

Wait, what? The swishing in your mouth He said you're a loud sipper Oh, get off my dick What's going on? Why are you paying this to my sips? What's going on, man? Telling me your sips, highly, what's wrong? Human rights, what the fuck?

The human rights are gulp loudly. That's funny. Yeah, I feel like for Chet, he definitely is a lock for the second like DPOY in terms of preseason obviously because we're just crossing our fingers hoping when we can play 65 games. But if that's not the case,

he's instantly going to move into that conversation. He's going to be in control of that award until he doesn't play enough games to get it. And so that defense is always going to be there. And even as you see him moving around the offense, whether he's playing the four or the five, or we're trying to figure out like what needs to be prioritized in terms of J-dub and his on-ball scoring, anybody else who's coming in and getting minutes, there's a floor with production and with success that the Thunder have with Chet. and there's a like it a lot of times like there's like causation and correlation or whatever

i am directly saying it like it is no doubt that the moment they got a seven-foot center who can actually play defense they went from this you know top 10 top 13 defense this very spunky um this very spunky team two we are the one team we are the best defense in the league back-to-back years and chet hungrin is the reason for that and not only are the best defensive league we're one the greatest teams of all time and that's the conversation everybody's having right now because what are they now 24 and 1 yeah utterly ridiculous we mentioned the last game we saw from them they completely belted the phoenix suns albeit without devon booker in the NBA cup quarterfinals and anyway the game was over by the end the first quarter it was insane

i had to watch three quarters of garbage time it was not fun but it was great because everybody on twitter immediately is like you know this team it's time to start the comparisons i feel like You're really sorry for this game on a national TV game on Amazon Prime. Everybody's comparing them now to the greatest teams of all time. In the past week, really, not just this game, have kind of been coming to terms of the fact that this is the undeniable championship favorite. Shout out the Nugget, shout out the Rocket, shout out whoever you like in the East.

This Thunder team is one of those teams. So with that being said, I think it's time of Rage Bader audience a little bit. Because every time we say anything nice about the Thunder, they get super pissed at us because everybody hates the Thunder. I'm going to name five NBA teams. You tell me who's better, the 2026 Thunder or this team. Who you think would win in a series? Series.

Yeah, so against each other if you think the Thunder could beat them. Gotcha. And these are obviously other champions, other greatest teams of all time. Not all of them are the greatest

and five levels, but you know, other champions. Level one, 2020 Lakers. This Thunder team is beating them. I hate to say it, but with what you see

with the 2020 Lakers, they are getting smoked. They have like no fucking ball handlers outside of LeBron and I guess Caruso if you want to say. So AD is there too, but man,

like AD would be able to do nothing against someone like, it's weird to say, but Jda of Chet Isaiah Hardenstein, Lou Dort, bro, Lou Dort is like the perfect type of AD disruptor. Just mad, annoying, big and strong, and will most definitely cause him to roll an ankle or something.

And who they had to disrupt Shay, Avery Bradley? Casey. Casey, great, fantastic. Play very badly. Play very badly. Hey, KCP. We're going to Thunder. Yeah.

Level two, 2024 Celtics, one of the other greatest modern champions. These guys would beat them. Yeah. And like, shout out to, shout out to the Celtics. that version of the Celtics they were not a trustworthy team until they actually like won the finals.

And there was there was points all throughout the playoffs and all throughout the entire season where like you saw you saw how good the three-point shooting was. You saw how good the defense was, the net rating, all of that. And you still were like,

these guys are getable. I do not feel like that with this Thunder team. I feel like they would have so much smoke for that offense and for the way that the Celtics wanted to play. I'm taking the Thunder 6th I respect the hell out of that Celtics team

They had their chance to beat this Thunder team last year Couldn't come through it that I'm going with the Thunder Yeah I think for that Celtics team their strength was their defense Now imagine their defense times 10 that is the okay C Thunder right And then also imagine someone who's that I have head of the mantle in Shea Someone who people used to compare it to Tatum She's lapped him in so many ways as a score Yeah I'm even close

Yeah I do the Celtics would have a chance it wouldn't be a sweep or anything like The math they have with the three point shooting on both sides of the ball being able to limit opponent threes and be a three-point machine when everybody was healthy with Drew Holiday and KP playing the best ball they did in the late stages

of their primes they would give them run for their money but I'm going with the Thunder. Level three, the Heedles of 2013. Ah, man. Hey, listen.

Shout out, shout out Brian. Shout out Brian, man. They're getting killed. They're getting killed. I think... People would hate that. They'll be sacrilegious

to say the goat would lose to OKC. They would do them dirty. Yeah. And I only think they would do them dirty. because the rest of that team outside of Ron is just so poorly constructed against his team specifically.

I love Chris Bosch, one of the first of his kind in terms of someone who took the right step in being a big man stretch five. DeWade and those knees ain't doing nothing against this team. This team is uniquely built to get into Dwayne Wade's handle

convince him to go set out another back to back this team would have him in a torture chamber. Yeah, these are just the wrong stars against the wrong, bro. Yeah. Level four, the 73 and nine warriors, the team, they're trying to beat their record. the 73-9 warriors

I'm taking O KC they don't have the star power in my mind in J-Dub and Chet they got Lou Dort outscrew the death the depth is just fucking crazy for this OKC Now the 73-9 Warriors

also with strength the numbers They also had depth But I don't know The defensive talent These are two of the best defenses of modern era So I don't even know where to go with this I think

See this one's hard Because I'm slow Kind of leaning OKC But also at the same time If you have prime clay talent Thompson prime step current like that version of stuff also wasn't playing fourth quarters like that yeah he is as efficient as you as you can get but I think this version of Shay is much better than that version of stuff maybe not much better but he's better than that much better I take that back

but better than that version of stuff I don't know about that that's unanimous in 2015 stuff no 2016 okay 7 3 now is 2016 yeah yeah yeah no that take that back completely and they have you have bodies. Like, you have, and obviously Shaking, Shaking get his game off against anybody, but you have 6-7 Clay Thompson, you have Iggy that you can throw on him. Like, there's, there's things that you can do to really disrupt him.

This isn't the KD Warriors. Kady Warriors, I would have said, I'm not picking anybody above that team. This team that lost in the 2016 finals, I kind of think the Thunder would have a chance. The defensive strengths to follow, they have plenty of guys that can run around with Seth Curry. Not to say they stop him, but they probably are the best equipped to stop him of any team.

I feel that. But then, they have to run around twice as much because you have another guy who runs. Thank God they got Alps Cruz, so Kason Wallace, Blue Doort, Shea's not a slouch either. They have so many buyers. Not even just the depths of defenders, the depth of guard defenders they have. I'm not worried about Clay at all in this matchup. At all?

I mean, in terms of them being in the sighting factor to make them win, obviously respect to Clay. That's a big issue to solve on offense, but in terms of like they can't stop Clay, I'll sleep fine at night. It's all about Curry and Dremont. You guys can pick whoever. This is going to game seven, whoever has the ball last wins. with that being said we're going with the thunder

because we're going to fall victim the recency bias any chance we can level five we've got the thunder of the 96 Bulls yeah it's over You're right She's kicking his ass She's kicking that old man's ass

Shay you can I'm sorry Take that visa Go back to Canada You ain't stopping Michael Jordan in this goddamn Bulls team Not yet If it has Steve Kurt and torture chamber

Yeah Steve Kerr's not getting his game off I'm sorry Steve Kerr can't get no minutes if you're paying okay cd you need Steve Kerr is the is the thing that's why oh man no please don't make I mean this is tough because like modern basketballs

evolve so much this team would win but we'll give credit to 96 Bulls they're better for their time we'll give it to them yeah yeah we'll do that but you put them in a time machine 96 basketball where's 2025 they're getting stomped out this is so unfair but if that 96 team was alive today

in modern basketball it'd be better yes but just know we run this in 2K We're kicking their ass with the thunder. Ah, man, they've got no suitors for real. They're getting plastered. Yeah. Donovan, show me your best first down celebration.

Okay, that's what's in your bag? Mind you, that's 2024 Eagles. There you go. We're taking a quick break to show you, Donovan's first down celebration to remind you to check out our NFL show, House Call, the playoffs are around the corner. It's going to be hilarious watching us give a week-by-week update of Donovan's team, my team, the quest to find out what Mo's favorite team is going to be in the NFL in his first season as a fan check it out right now a lot of the same format you know and love from t3 but in the

nfl we're doing it every single week posting tuesday full episodes shorts every single day do us a favor check it out like subscribe all right who's the next team in this division who has uh what what team do you have in this division i have no team in this division actually really yep okay i have so there's utah portland minnesota and denver yep oh actually i have the denver like i lied so i have the denver nuggets and again going back to what you said how you start this video off um it's hard to think about players who are underappreciated guys who we really like think that or a lot of people don't think they're better than they actually are and i'm just

going to stamp this firmly this is the first time in yoke's career where he's playing with an all-star and that's jemal murray what we see usually from jemal murray in the playoffs over the last few years. Even before they made the, even before they won the NBA finals, he's been that throughout the entirety of the season. Everyone's been talking about. He had like an insane 50 point performance with only taking five free throws a couple of weeks ago, like two weeks ago or so. He's shooting like 50, 40, 90 damn near from the field. He's having a superb season. And this is the peak version of Jamal Murray so far that we've been witnessing. He started he started the offseason off healthy, which is a rare occasion for him. And now we're seeing all this just like,

This is the first year we can look at on-off data for Yokic and they're winning minutes of him on the bench. With just Yolkich on the bench and just Jamal Murray out there, they're plus 6.7 net rating. With neither of them out there, they're plus 11.8 net rating, which is only 7.2 possessions, I mean, minutes because they almost never have all these guys on the bench. But I don't think in past years,

we'd see data like this where they're actually winning the Jamal-Marie-led lineups. That was one of the bigger criticisms I had of him last year when we were doing our point-god rankings. So I wasn't to say I was like anti-Murrie, but we compare him to some guys. I'm like, the minutes in which he's leading the offense with Yokish on the bench were still a weakness for you, even though you'd want them to be a strength when you have a guy who everybody says is All-Star caliber and you hit the playoffs. You're right.

This is the first year. He's starting the season strong enough that that can really show itself in the data because he's consistently performing at his best from day one. I think he'll probably be an All-Star. I think it's voting in today, he surely would be. I don't see it slowing down. I think we'll finally drop the mantle of Yokch having no All-Star teammates for the rest of his career. Yeah, man, that was one of the strongest talking points. I know, fuck, why genders are dying.

Exactly. But I agree. I mean, Aaron Gording is all the praise in the world now. Cam Johnson is not having a good year. Not going to come up here and say Christian Brown's most underrated player on this team. Yeah, he hasn't even been playing because he's been hurt, right? Yeah, like honestly, of course, like we saw they re-up their bench. Jonas Valentuna's there, which has been better than a lot of people expected.

This team is just so good, man. It's so good. Now are they getting up to win the championship? I don't know. But, Jamal Murray, the top of season that he's been having is, it's interesting. I'm interested to see if he's going to make our list. I think he should top 30 list. We, so we have picked, you and I.

He won't want to be in top 30. I don't mean. I put a good top 35 already as in preparation. Yeah, I can't fit him on there. But he will be in a top 35, 40-ish. Like, he's definitely worthy of all-star level. There's a lot of all-star guys this year. It's going to be tough.

Okay. We'll see. But you and I pick the, pick the nuggets over the thunder. And if like, obviously, okay, see, they're doing what they're doing. If we wanted to be stubborn and just say, the nuggets are coming. out the West, this is the best piece of evidence that you can point to to be like, okay, it's actually going to happen this year. And this is not going to be the same old Denver Nuggets that can get to, you know, seven games, but only have six, you know, six players, really

five and a half when you think about, you know, Aaron Gordon and his hamstring falling off the bone last year. And B.J and his shoulder just being completely torn up to. Yeah, like. And having no depth because MPJ makes so much money. Exactly. You actually have, you actually have a roster that makes sense and a roster that has people that can perform at every single level. the four teams that aren't like okay c which is basically everybody else and even even like the nuggets you need your stars to play like stars and everybody else falls in line and when jamal murray is playing like this then then you can finally say okay cam johnson we don't need you to to come in here and score 25 like it's actually okay it's that it's it's it's it's not okay

in the grand scheme of things but we can live and we can insulate you while you are adjusting to life on this team and trying to figure out your place and how to play. So having Jamal Murray on this level is exactly what you need. If you're a Nuggets fan, that can give you any type of hope that you can go toe to toe with. Yeah, you can live with Cam Johnson just like slump in and struggling and going back to what you said,

finding his ways when Aaron Gordon, who was when he was playing earlier this year, shoot like 40 some percent from three on like five or six attempts per game. And then you got Jamar Murray shooting again, 50, 40, 90 while putting up 25 a fucking game, bro. Like none of what he does. I'm not going to say it doesn't matter. It matters at the end of the day. But right now, you're living you're living fine. Okay. Who has

the Trailblazers? That is me. Who is one player on the Trailblazers that people don't realize how nice they are? Uh, Jeremy Grant. Jeremy Grants. Yeah. All these eight years are you come out here with Jeremy Grant? Well, like, because even well, I don't, I don't think that like, because

so originally this was the hardest name and the hardest team on my list. Because I don't think Shaden Sharp is like amazing um yeah i don't i don't think he's fantastic clinging is is cool is very go bearish offensively and like does not really provide you anything so unless we want to have this conversation about like donovan clinging the room protector and like the like the defender then like we can do that that's fine but i'm looking everywhere else and it's like okay we're kind

of just you know just here scoot hasn't played this year like they have a lot of pieces that especially right now as they're slumping you don't really feel good about where the blazers are and so somebody who like you know we've had the Denny conversation and you can also it's okay if you don't think that

that Denny is as good as his stats say I think that that's a fair conversation oh you don't think he's good as his stats say and that's what I'm saying I think it's a fair conversation but we're trying to big people up here just finds a way to hate for no reason fuck No, it's, it's whatever.

But for Jeremy Grant last year, who, and we're talking before we started recording, how we're like, yeah, Jeremy Grant was bad last year. Like, he was awful. And now he's back to a point where he's older in his career and he can be a player that just gets kind of lost in the shuffle. But he is shooting better and a better player than what he was last year. So that's kind of why I have him on my list because the Blazers are just weird overall.

Yeah, his career arc is so hilarious. interesting because he had a couple years where like he was in okay c just getting it out the mud with russ and then he went to denver and became of course naturally a ultra valuable alongside nikolioch it's got a big massive bag and became completely irrelevant in those Detroit years then he found his way into portland too and everyone just forgot about him i forgot about him because he was just discussing on the court and now he's back to being completely healthy i think we pointed out before the show two he only played like what 40 30 games last year 47 yeah and now he's back just shooting a lot better

and he's like finding his role. He's currently, or not currently a few days ago, was shooting 72% from the left corner and 25% from the right corner on threes. hilarious that, very unique player. Okay, that's fair enough

that you think Denny of Diaz is getting all the attention he deserves. So this is a player that was left for dead in discourse but is having a year where he's bouncing back and at least being playable. Yeah, he's valuable.

Fair enough. I have the Minnesota Timberwolves in this division. This one's extremely hard. There's really no overlook players, I think. Every knows Anthony Edwards. It's a god.

top six, seven player in the world. Everybody knows Julius Randall has had a good bounce back. He's a very good secondary player for them now. I think Jamie Daniels gets his just due as one of the better role player wings in the NBA. All the young guys across the roster have been kind of just mad this year to me. So I think the player, that's probably better than people think right now.

It's Rudy Go Bear. I think really going to be able to still that because I think for the past couple years, you know, his scoring dropped off last year and, like, he really lost a step offensive for whatever reason. Funny guy. I think people kind of just like stop thinking about him as like a premier player.

You know, so many years it was like people had to begrudgingly give Rudy Gobert's star credit because he was such a gifted defender and good enough offensively as being a good screen setter, a very good role man, good pick and roll partner for many guards over the years that he got as just due as an all-star, but nobody wanted to give it to him. As soon as that production fell just a little bit, everyone threw him to the side and said, you are just a guy now, you're a role player. I'm sure still a good one, but you're no longer a guy I got to seriously consider competing with offensive centers

who are gifted but flawed defensively. You know, the cat versus Gobert debates, no one's having that debate anymore. Yeah. He's having a bounce back year. He has his best focal percentage of his career. Obviously, still limited based on who can set him up and all that stuff.

Been as good of a play finish race has ever been. He's having a brilliant defensive season. They are a top 10 defense despite relying on a lot of young players, a lot of backup big minutes with Nasreed and Julius Randall that aren't good defensively. He is as important as ever. And then after a year last year with the scoring and offensive talent in generally slowed down,

It's bounced back this year He looks pretty good in most ways Kind of is as good as he's ever been Yeah I'm looking at their net rating right now It's hilarious right With Rudy Obert On the floor

They have the best defense In the entire NBA bro Yep And when he's off the floor It's just ass Yeah He is care It's one of the worst

He should probably be the DPOI Like I'm cool giving it the check Because he's like The best defender On the one of the best defensive Teams of all time In terms of like carrying a defense And being the guy

That makes a difference and the way that the DPOI has typically been handed out, it's Gaubert by a mile. Like if the DPOI was like an MVP case, so how much of a shift of your value of your team you're providing independently, Gobert should be the DPOI. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

They're as bad as the Warren's Pelicans when he's on the fucking, when he's off of the floor, right? It's that bad. It's that dire. It's those minutes with Nause read out there and Julius Randall,

so spooky. Yeah, so don't got to go too deep into it, but just no, Rudy Gaubert is still damn near primary Big Bear impact. On the D. P.O. I got nine names ahead of Gobert. In the odds?

Notts. See, nobody has ever suffered from voter fatigue. We're going to go bare right now. We got Chet. Okay. Wemby. Evan Mowgli. You lost me? Bam. You're super lost me? Amen. Super lost me. Drey Mon. Scottie. Okay. Okay.

Dyson Daniels. Super mega ultra lost me. Assar Thompson. And then Rudy. That's outlandish. Rudy's tied with Case and Wallace. That's fucking ridiculous. He's never going to win again

Case of Wallace They just can't let him have five That's a ridiculous number So like And so what I said earlier People would just like Assume he's falling off And like rid him off

And stop thinking about him He's having a better year In the last year Yeah Yeah Utah Jazz Who has them? That is me

We talked about this A little bit before Early on in the season Wanted to see if it continued It kind of has Keante George I think I think Keanu George

Like obviously One you could pick anybody on the jazz for this And it's fine Nobody's watching jazz games to understand that he his three is still not falling and he's just not going to be a good shooter and so spoiler it probably never will and so what do you do when your three doesn't fall you make all of your other shots and that's what kianti george is doing and so i think that now we are 25

games into the season this is about where you know simple sizes starts to feel as you know more real than they did a week two weeks into the season and the fact that that kiante george is still out here still being efficient from basically everywhere else outside of the three point line I do like his scoring I do like the way that he's leveled up and he is I think he definitely is a player for the jazz that they can keep around

and continue to like to build around and be a part of whatever this like mini half rebuild trying to rebuild era is he is a good player 22 points per game on 58.5% true shooting is pretty solid for a team that's just not good yeah yeah i talked about him earlier this year and he one thing that persists about him you're right he's efficient all across the board what's really changed with his

game is his ability just to continuously drive contact those numbers have fell recently as a as of late and he's it's kind of like disappointing in terms of how streaky he's been as of late as well he hasn't had a good like last few weeks but there's still improvement there and he's better than last year which is what you're expecting yeah he's one of the highest uh midrange volume guys are now, 97th percentile in short mid-range, which is Flutter area attempts. 49% is also pretty respectable there for a player of his size. It's 68% focal percentage of the rim. Grants had a small volume.

Like you said, he's scoring really well in every way that's not three-point shooting. Will it matter ultimately without the two-point shot? Probably not. He probably does need a good three-point shooter for him to be a, like, linchpin of this team. But regardless, he can obviously be a good player like me around for a while, whether or not he's one of your best players when your team finally gets good. Time will tell. He does need to be a respectable three-point shooter.

but it's good progress for a guy who clearly is better in a lot of key ways to score Yeah and if you're like if you're super efficient at every single level you're just one of like the best players in the league

and it's fine if you are one of I don't know the like hundred but if ultimately you just end up as like one of the hundred best players in the league and like yeah you can't shoot but you can do everything else that's still a very valid place to be yeah top 100 players are very valuable

you need many top 75 players to be a good team and if that's what he's going to be great Pacific Division moving on Who, Donovan, what team do you want to do? Actually, you just went. Mo, what team do you want to do in the division? Pacific Division.

So we have the Lakers, sons, kings, and the Clippers. I have the Clippers. Who is the most underrated player on the Clippers? Who are we not talking about enough in this shit show? This team is currently 6 and 18. Okay. Those are words that I thought I would never have coming out of my mouth ever,

especially during the preseason. They've been one of the more respectable like regular season teams in the entire NBA over the last like 12 years right and they're finally down when you look at this team from top to bottom it's hard to talk about what's like oh like this is surprisingly better than you think

you know everyone's talking about James Hardin Zubosh is Zubot still my fucking thinks is in trade rumors right now which is probably valid this might be shameful but guys don't do it Kawai Laird is still hooping

offensively Kauai is still just that guy don't talk to me about defense don't talk to me about he statistically one of the worst individual one-on-one iso defenders that the league has to offer. Those years are way past by him. But when you talk about offense he's so fucking efficient still

bro, bro. It's wild. Can still shoot the ball. Definitely can still shoot the ball. Yeah, that's a positive sign. Is he tradable? No. Does anyone anybody want him? Absolutely not. Is he helping your team win? It's impossible right now. And that is our Los Angeles Clippers talk for the day. Appreciate you all tuning

into the Pacific Division. On to the next. Donovan, who do you got in this division uh i have the phoenix suns who's more who's most underrated player there who this is fun honestly whole team whole the whole team is underrated every time that i turn on the sun the game somebody is is showing up to somebody doing stuff well i'm like yeah you you you're really hooping right now like that's kind of crazy i think for the year the pig would be dylan brooks and yes yeah it would be the fact that he not only is like having just a good scoring season he is creating the like the offense is running through dylan brooks and it is and he is creating things for for other people and he is getting his bag off yes we are getting spin faders

we are we are getting middies like dillam brooks is is restoring the feeling in terms of what you want to see from a a good uh from a good score getting getting shots everywhere turning over each shoulder. It does not matter. He's going to go out there. He's going to take all of his shots. And this level of scoring that we've seen from him, especially with Devin Booker out this last week, it really is crazy seeing Dylan Brooks and being number one guy in the offense. It still hasn't fully processed for me that this is the role that he's playing this year. But every time that you watch a son's game, he is the focal point. And it's, it's, It is fun to watch, though.

It's so weird saying, like, yo, this team needs to prioritize Dylan Brooks. Like, if Dylan Brooks is not getting his game off, you have no chance of winning. All of us thought that that was just like the complete inverse line of the thinking because he had this narrative where he would just like maybe shoot a little bit too many times and just hijacked the offense or whatever the case may be. Nah, bro, please take over this plane. Lead me to wherever you're going. Yeah, he's just scaling up and need to take more shots.

And that's obviously important for a team that's pretty devoid of ball handling with Jalen Green injured. is Devin Booker and a bunch of guys in terms of play finishers or play creators like shout out Mark Williams everything he's doing there's some interesting young bigs there so obviously interesting young wings

the fact that Dylan Brooks and Colin Gillespie are taking on so much of a playmaking role Colin Gillespie They're saving the world That's the other name that I have for the sins

And now Dylan Brooks is he being efficient as is in this role no but in the minutes that he plays with Devin Booker it's actually kind of decent with Devin Booker on the court so he's not taking all the attention

in the world 24 points and 56.6% true shooting. Pretty solid. This is a per 75 possessions for the points. Down in 50% true shooting when he's the one option out there without Devin Booker, the nigga's kind of ugly.

Hey, listen, we understand what that is. But that's mostly because he can't shoot three. He's 25% from three on the year. That don't normally lie. He's not a bad shooter. This is pretty respectable for a guy who obviously should be your third or fourth best offensive player

in a realistic world, but it's forced to play in this role doing what he does everywhere he goes, being malleable, doing what's needed of him, helping his team win. Yes. He's doing it. And even if he can't shoot threes, it's fine.

Colin Gillespie is going to make half of his threes. Every other shot that he puts up is going to go in. So the combo of those two guys are amazing. And again, like this entire Sun's team is underrated. And it would not like, listen, we had combos last week in the power rankings. Like they are better than Golden State. And those teams that historically we've thought have been really, really good and can solidify themselves in the top six.

when they get Devin Booker back, it wouldn't shock me if at the end of the year this is, like, grand scheme of things, yes, but based on how they're playing right now, it wouldn't shock me if the sons are a top 16.

It's kind of hard with who's there, but quality-wise, they tell me they have like within one game of being that, so there's really not a difference to them in the Timberwolves or the Spurs or whatever. Yeah, I'll buy that. Doornauts, clearly a great coach.

They're playing all together. It's clearly just like trying really hard. They got rid of the guys who don't try and now they do try, and that makes a big difference. And it really makes you mad because I really won the Lakers the tray for Dylan Brooks.

Yeah, I don't think they would have because clearly him and LeBron are just looking for life. They're just enemies. I really wanted this to be the team that sells

and Lakers can come in and get their wing. Matt Isbh would rather lose his marriage and lose Dylan Brooks, right? In an interview or some podcast that he was on,

he talked about how like, yeah, this dude, Dylan Brooks is going to be a son's lifer. He's not going anywhere. Well, I don't know about all that. I don't know about all that. That's what he said.

I don't know if that's necessary, but he is restoring the culture and they clearly need culture having no picks. they won't get any great players. That's what you need. How old is Dylan Brooks? We're talking about like 29 or something.

Yeah, he's 29. We're talking about four lifers. Four more years. Things were that dire for the last year. All right. Speaking of the Lakers, how bad I wanted, Dylan Brooks at some point,

I'll go with them. This is extremely hard because obviously we talk about them nonstop. I think everybody is extremely aware of who their best players are. So I'll open a door to you guys.

Do you want me to talk about Austin Reeves or do you want me to talk about DeAndre Adon? Aidan. That's fair. DeAndre Aidan is very. Andre Aidan is one player on the Lakers.

That's better than you think. Just because people left him out to die, they assumed to be terrible. All summer, I was told I was insane for thinking he would be worth $8 million, one of the cheapest starting centers in the NBA. I was called a madman. I was called a self-victimizer.

I was called the guy who fell for it again. You were called the Lakers fan. I was called the Lusional. I was called every name in the book for thinking that he would be just fine as a starting center, playing next to Luka, playing next to Reeves,

playing next to LeBron, being a guy that sets screens, rolls hard, has a solid mid-range shot. to compliment them and can be a more than capable drop defender giving you more than capable reasonable average level defensive impact from a center that's precisely what he is he is nice and regular he is nice and worth eight million dollars and just because people thought he would be so awful and treated his reputation as being one of the worst players in the NBA one of the biggest

bus of the decade whatever people took that so far to think that he's actually bad he is perfectly fine yeah man i ain't gonna lie i judged a book by its cover i saw with diana in or the reviews of him over the last few years. He laughed about how he was, you know, skipping out on games because the worlds are too icy. Motherfucking. Roald's icy right now and I'm still here, potting. Come on now.

To say, you're a better man than DeAndre Aiden. Oh, we've been to that. But yeah, like, he completely changed everything I said about him, right? And he deserves it this year. I compared him to one specific Yakopoto this year. You got to do that. Oh, yeah. During our standard rankings this summer, we argued for about 10 minutes about who we'd rather have in the Lakers,

Yakopoto or DeAndreighton. And yeah, some This isn't even about Aiton being good Yakopos look so goddamn bad That some agenda's die in darkness Tough Also just like

Look the effect of Luca And reasons are just so real This guy in the past two years Had a 58% true shooting For a big 70% this year As expected When you get into a better situation As a big man who is reliant

On being set up And you get next to one of the best guards To set you up in the world Of all time potentially You're gonna do pretty well for yourself Yeah Of all time is hell of all true Yeah Luca is one of the best

Picking role players of all time they don't even let you run drop coverage. They bliss them every time so Aiden has a million open rolls to the rim constantly and his mid-range jumper has been filthy. The wide open looks every time because people are just like saying

you're going to have to beat me with that because I'm not going to let you get this open dunk and I'm damn sure not going to Luka get an open shot and Aiton has beat people with that. I can't wait for them to start missing. I'm praying they start going. It doesn't matter.

It doesn't even matter. I need every shot to miss. Yeah, but the Lakers have a lot of flaws We just saw them get spanked out by the spurs. A, he's not one of them. Now, is he one that covers up their flaws? No, but that's why he makes $8 million. It's okay.

Yeah, and this is the perfect spot for him where, like, you're not the issue. No one's going to say you are the solution ever. You're just like a normal guy who just provides some level of stability. Exactly. You're one of the, I wouldn't know, not better contracts. You are a plus value contract for sure at $8 million.

You are, that's a bargain. Yeah. But it's not life-changing. So the expectations are being met as they should. I agree. Who has the Sacramento Kings? that is me thank God it's not me

me and my nemesis the Sacramento but today we're going to talk about Maxine Raynaud he's been hooping he's a center 7-2 has very nice touch around the room

and is one of the lone things that Kings fans can look at their team and look at their roster right now and say hey that's pretty good and that might be good in two years it gives them a little bit of

of hope and I listen he's he's nice he's not like he's not anything crazy but you've seen him be able to get his offensive game off especially in the last like week week week and a half yeah he's had like 20 he's had a 24 point game he's he's really good like his his connection on the pick and roll honestly with with russell westbrook it has been growing and you can see like one of the first time that he was really playing with him on the roll russ is is trying to like look to get him the ball and he'll he'll throw he'll throw renal the ball and he wasn't really like used to it and then by like game like three or four and as he's gotten more comfortable now he's like expecting the ball so he's really good on the roll his touch around the around the room

is really nice shout it to the king shout to the king's fans this is the one good thing I will say about you team I'm looking up and down the roster I'm here looking at all the pull up on screen looking all the players you had to choose between made the right choice You made the right choice Man, every veteran on this team is We know how good they are No, it's not even the right choice I made the only choice

Yeah Like shout out Russ being in the NBA again He's playing Russ Probably about as good as you knew he'd be Laying Rush be Russ Yeah like Levine de Rosen Subonis Like the book's out

Keon Ellis the books out We know who these guys are Not even saying those guys are all bad But like Who could possibly be like Precious at Chua I guess No No like no

Who are we at a point Nick Clifford Having a slow start to as Ricky Yeah, I thought he was going to be good. Immediately, he's an older rookie. He's 24, 25 for nothing. He's 25? He's like 24, 25.

Oh, my God. I knew he was older. I didn't really 25. Yeah. All right. Shout out the king. He's asked defensively too, also, by the way. Yeah, I was just looking at his deep.

He's defensive plus and minus. It's way worse on the court. Like, this is where numbers are lying. It says, this is bad. No, he's worse. Dude, his DPM is negative 2.5. He's so bad. Russ is negative 1.6.

He's so bad, right? He's worth of Russ. Yeah. But hey, sign of life. I like it. Okay. Last team is division, the Golden State Warriors.

I think I have them, don't I? Who did I write down for them? I told you guys this was the hardest one to have and I try to tell you guys take this off of me because I don't fucking know

because I don't like watching the supporting cast of this team. I said, please. And you took some of the other teams I didn't want. We did a little trade. And I said, damn,

nobody wants these bum motherfuckers in Golden States. So I decided to pick one. Yeah. Patrick Spencer. Pat Spencer is the one player on this team that's better than you think just because if you're at home,

probably don't know who this man is you see this man with the trash dash you probably don't know who this man is look like a cop and for good reason this is a former lacrosse player who made his buddy of the NBA he has a brother who plays on the Grizzlies

they are both some spunky young role players right now shooting well doing all the all the stuff you'd expect from an undrafted white player he's doing it he's playing hard cutting hard shooting the ball setting screens doing all this stuff

trying to earn his way in the NBA he's a competent role player that's getting a lot of minutes Steve Kerr is quick to give minutes to a underdrafted or undrafted role player that is playing harder and better than his first-on picks. He's quick to do it.

Jonathan Camiga is getting DMPs while Pat Spencer is out here playing his role. 44% from three is something. Dude, him and his brother are special. We haven't done this before, but when we do eventually do our TD3 award winners, him and his brother for the first time ever in TD3 history,

co-white boys are the year. Y'all both can have. I can't choose who's better. I don't even know who. Who's better. I'm not going to lie to you. I have no fucking clue who's better. Because his brother, he's a pull-up demon, bro. Yeah.

But other than that, I mean, who am I going to pick on this team other than Pat Spencer giving a nod to a guy who's making a name for himself? Will Richard, another good young player that's playing a role because Steve Kerr trusts him to play hard, execute, do all the small things he needs to and put his nose in the mud and play defense. Same type of thing as Pat Spencer.

He's showing that both these guys will get the opportunity over the guys who aren't willing to do those things, or over the guy who isn't going to do those things. yeah pause is having a solid year shout out him they're all just solid names and there's still what the eighth ninth seat in the west yeah and I haven't

watched them in a week I'm not gonna lie to you because step curry's been out and I refuse to watch I don't refuse I'll have to eventually miss more time yeah I'm trying to watch as few games as possible without step curry it's so bad and so boring to watch I can't do it I'm not just playing there's 30 teams in league to watch I'm not spending precious

time watching this team without step curry I'll wait until it gets back to do my due diligence I don't believe and that's the this division let's go to the atlantic division donovan who you got first uh atlantic i have oh wait the southeast all right only team i have here the philadelphia is 76ers okay who's overlooked on this team we're gonna go with mr energy himself adem bono okay okay tell me about bono listen this guy oh man he's a demon he's a demon i love i love watching aden bono play because he he really is just just energy in like a single

person. He is a really good offensive rebound. He's good at the room. He gives them, he gives them a, like, basically everybody on this team is small. And like, Ademona is also undersized. Like, he's 6-8-4 big. It doesn't feel like that whenever, whenever you're like, whenever you're watching him play. And so I do think that he's able to give them some, some defense that they very clearly need whenever they have a lot of guys out there. And so I'm picking him as my, you know, he's better than you think okay yeah hustle athlete okay we go with it yeah he's a solid player they need all the sizes they can get if it's not him it's i don't know whatever you can get out of like every three weeks of doyle and bide tren wafford is small it gets real spook

and then drumming is there too but he's as drumming he's a bright spot a very silent shout out of dembona mo do you have anybody in the division yes i do i have the new york nix hey hey another team that we talk so much about so like who could be overlooked on this team i think they basically kept the same team um garrison eubeselli's there obviously um he hasn't been a absolute world changer but not necessarily a negative i would say the only thing that's really changed as of late and something that people should know that's like worth like noting is oh shit like Josh hard is starting and he's actually been like hitting his threes that's something that he's been dire at and really wildly inconsistent over the course of

his career and him doing that unlock so much him doing that makes it seem so much versatile so much more versatile now their schedule again it's has been hard it's been hard to gauge how effective this is because they're going against teams that are not good but I think this change is something that's needed for this team

if you want to talk about what a Eastern Conference finals championship team looks like championship team meaning they would win it too so it's like I don't know if that's in the world but I think this gives them the best case and scenario Josh Hart currently shooting 39.8% from three, 60.5% from two. Very solid. Obviously, his defense is more intangibles and like the team defense hustle stuff that IQ he brings to the field. So having him be an effective score, every time we have stretches where we talk about Josh Hart as being one of these elite role

players where the playmaking, taking the ball in transition and hitting their threes, doing some short roll stuff, all comes together and he's amazing. It's always when he shoots well. Whenever he doesn't shoot well, all that kind of falls apart and you start to notice might be more holes in their strengths. but during these stretches he looks incredible and it's the most important because it hasn't been that great when they were starting both bigs the Mitchell Robinson cat thing didn't work out super well they just they need to go to it

they need to make sure they prioritize getting those minutes in because it'll be important in the playoffs but when that was a starting look it's kind of meh they've gone back to starting cat the center and the offense is looking much better having the full spacing out there doing all the office that they're introducing with Mike Brown that's what they need to keep doing

and it's like you're right like his shooting opens up everything for the next because this this lineup of Brunson, Bridges, Hart, Ananobe, Towns, that's the lineup that famously last year, everyone's like this, you know, they're losing minutes together, they can't play it together,

it's going to lose them to these playoff series, and you have to go away from it in the Eastern Conference finals because you're starting five that you started for a hundred games now, cannot win minutes on the floor. If this is what it's going to look like, and I don't know if it's going to be 40% all year long,

But we've definitely gotten into, like, stretches before where Josh Hart and his threes have been going down. Like, you think about the playoff series against Philly a couple years ago, his three was going crazy. Yep. And with those threes and with Brunson's shot making, you're able to get to a certain place. Now that you have all these other pieces, this is the, this is the path for the Knicks to dominate, to comfortably dominate the east. Yep. That line up right now, plus 36. point seven net rating

103 defensive rating right now and I'll show up Kat Katz had a good defensive year for your standards so like all the data says Kat has playing one of his best defensive basketball of his career and I think that matches these lineups when OG's healthy as you see right here they are dominating defensively with these guys even with the Brunson Kat combination

and the question wasn't necessarily regular season defense I don't think it was atrocious last year either it's in the playoffs and time will tell with this lineup that's why they'll have to go to the Mitchell Robinson thing more often in a playoff series against teams that are going to really pick at their deficiencies more than an average regular season team will. But right now, as

it was last year, this team is dominating in the regular season and it's with their starting line up eventually. Need that. It's mad. Badly. Badly. Also look how god-awful they are when Shamet is in the starting lineup. Hey, man, don't worry about it. Their most use lineup this year has McBride in there instead of OG. I guess it's probably

because when OG was hurt, so it's the biggest lineup. Plus 25. So really is these four is the magic here. Part, Bridges, Brunson Towns. nice. I mean, also, like, we got to, we got to give Mikhail Bridges a lot of credit because now he actually, last year, once again, very famously, was just scared of contact, just did not want to have anything to do with getting bunk. There's a reason why he don't get injured. And this year, this year, he actually is welcoming contact. Hold on. He's a much more physical play. Is that kind of like how like quarterbacks that don't throw interceptions, it's kind of red flag because

you're not doing anything risky enough? NBA players, you're playing 82 games a year. Get your ass in the paint throw your body around you're not playing aggressive enough yeah he's never missed a game in his entire career shameless as hell shameless because there's been opportunities where or times where he checks in the game like during game 81 or

82 plays for like two seconds files a guy he's out which you gotta hold on to legacy which is like okay I get it bro but there's a reason why he don't start drawing some charges get a hip he's been in the league for years now what do you mean yeah he's been in the league for years and you miss a single game I know why you miss a miss a game

You don't invite contact. You actually actively dodging. He was a DPOI finalist years ago. That don't mean nothing. Okay, come on. That was years ago. It's been a long time. It's been a long time.

No, but even then, like, you would think that somebody who's competing that hard defensively would miss a couple games. That was a team accomplishment. We're joking. We're joking. I have the Toronto Raptors. This one's kind of hard because they have a lot of players that don't fucking like. open down this roster. I'm waiting for

Grady Jack to play like a man. I'm waiting for him to steal that shooting ground position. He doesn't do it, doesn't shoot the ball well enough, has not come together with the archetype he needs to be. You guys know who I feel about

manual quickly. Yacopoto has been horrendous this year for his standards of being one of the better role player centers in the league. They just get the man a four-year contract. Once again,

terrible contract handed out by the Raptors. Who were they competing against? I don't fucking know. Isaac, bro, Yacupup, you made me argue for you

in your name and your legacy. He didn't make you do it. He made me do it. He made me do it, brother. He made me do it. And you just go out here and embarrass me and yourself and the rest of Toronto? So I will say, I'll pick a role player and I'll pick my real answer. Okay.

The role player answer nobody knows about Mamu. Mamu was underrated. Mamu has been early in the year, I forgot which podcast was listening to. Someone said he should have six man of the year buzz. And that's not ridiculous. Sandro Mamu, whose last name I still can't pronounce. It's the only name in the NBA, I just can't say. It's so hard to pronounce for an American tongue.

an ignorant American like myself so we'll call him Mamu he's awesome he's a mobile big man that can play some defense move his hips all their defensive lines with him in it play better defensively which might be because Yaakov is a statue right now but he can shoot well from three can attack his smart fits their system

of this egalitarian move the ball not as many screens offense where you need these plus passers up and on the roster he's been fantastic there and I think by the simple nature that most NBA fans have no fucking clue who I'm talking about he's a one player better than people think Okay, so who's...

Well, with that being said, the answer is Scotty Barnes. Yeah. It'll probably always be Scottie Barnes. Scotty Barnes is the top 30 player again. Scottie Barnes looks awesome. Scottie Barnes has been brilliant defensively. We talk about this every week. As I get up here and spread, Scotty Barnes' propaganda,

but he's better than Palo Baner Caro. He's better than Jaylon Johnson. He's better than allowing marketing, better than Julius Randall. Whatever peers you want to put him up with. I'm back to having Scotty Barnes versus Evan Moby's conversations in my head. I don't know the answer yet. I'll get there by next week.

Scottie Barnes is the Bonafite Star. Humans always fall on for heartbreak once again. I want to see how high you put him in your top 30 again. I'm not going to go ridiculous, but it'll be top 15. I don't know, but I think he's still overlooked as a star player to some degree, but. I got two options for this team. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Mom owned him.

Yeah, okay. I have a team, and it is the Brooklyn Nets. Okay. Brooklyn Nets haven't been the worst team in NBA this year. They haven't. They've been one of the worst, but not be worse. By no benefit of themselves. That's a wizard stat.

That's a Pelican stat. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But hey, guess what? You beat them out on that end. Correct. I think the player that a lot of people don't think that they're better than usually is Nick Claxton. He has looked much better this year. Okay.

I remember last year the conversations were on him when it comes to Nets fans specifically. They wanted him off of their team or they wanted to trade him immediately because over the last, or at least last year, he was just strictly coasting off name, strictly costing off him being a DPL candidate, DP OI candidate way back in 2021 when Katie was on the Nets itself. This year, he looks much better as a player and I think the most striking development, not even development really. I feel like he's just gotten more opportunity and he's actually gotten better at this is his ability to be a good playmaker right now.

So far this year, he's averaging like, what, four assists a game? Do you think he like doubled that from the, he is his entirety of the career? Now, when he was being drafted as a prospect come out of Georgia, that was one of the things that made him interesting and what stands out with him compared to most bigs. But for that to improve, he's been much better when he comes to just cutting around the rim and all that. And he's being used more as a hub for this team. And it's, they're still losing, but it's working.

Yes, I love to say. I pulled up his stats before you said that. The playmaking stuff, it's all green. Look at this. All among the top is a low turnover player in terms of creation turnovers, which is different than like being a score and turning over because you're getting the ball ripped under the rim. 6.3% passing turnover percentage very good for a player that's having

the increased hub usage like you said 11.8 potential assist per 100 2.8 those are at the rim he's setting up cutters big to big stuff he is one of the better playmaking bigs in the NBA now yeah and that's something of that I mean I always knew it was kind of in his back people talked about how he's impressive handling the transition

and all that like it's always been there but it's never developed at this point in time yep and scoring you know 60% true shooting decent for a big I still want to see him play with a good point guard again see him actually be able to be a part of a system that sets him up for easy shots instead of him having to be more of a creator. Time will tell if that includes a trade or not. He's always been

a guy that's on the trade block to people. But yeah, he's done a good job to repair his reputation. Yeah. We could also go Michael Porter Jr. who's still having a ridiculous 25 point per game season. He just shoots no matter what. Like his like the nose, Michael never seen that Rock Porter Jr. still prevails to this day,

bro. He does not give a fuck. He'll shoot when he's double teamed. This is the ultimate's bad team. Somebody's got to score buckets. I'm going to get mine season. Like, there's never going to be one better than this of a guy who clearly is capable of being a lead score on a bad team that we had enough years that we know what he is on a good team, which is a good player, but not like superstar or anything. But if you were, if he would, if this was his first year seeing Michael Porter Jr., you would

think this as a star player that needs to be built around. That's all. That's first team all NBA. That's just Carmelo Anthony. Yeah. And like he is, he is just scoring like that though. Like this, he's having a lot of marketing season. Like he is just being one of the best three-level scores in the NBA, 30.5 shots per

seven five possessions. I mean pro 100 possessions high volume, high efficiency It's just a great scoring season He's looking back at number He's like, I told you all you can't just hold of me back And I can't be like shirt I can't play with him man

And I'll have to say I guess you're right Plus 11.4% relative true shooting on creation play types So stuff when he has the ball in his hands He's 11% more efficient than league average That's outrageous And he can't dribble

He's coming off of these screens With one dribble and just shooting over everybody and just going in. Yeah, he's 6, 10. He's using every ounce at that fucking height, bro, just lifting and pull up. Whenever he sees a defender,

he doesn't. He just imagines them to not be in there, bro. 39% from three still, 59% from 2? On nine attempts, bro, nine attempts from three.

He's pulling every single opportunity. This is outrageous. He's crazy. Like, this is the same thing as a lot of marketing breaking out when he went to a bad team. And time,

out of time, we'll tell, it's not a lot of marketing. It's a good defender either. It's not a lot of marketing, it's a good passer either. So maybe we're looking at a similar caliber player.

While he walked in, he was like, let me show you what you're supposed to be on a bad team. Let me show you how to actually get these buckets up on this team that's going nowhere. So, like, maybe he's clearly, like, you know, he was like a fourth ring in the Nuggets. So, like, it's not just this guy who was held back, goes to another team.

Like, it's like three leaps in terms of usage. Like, he was the fourth fiddle on the Nuggets while also having an injured shoulder. So part of us is going to be like, okay, does this matter? It's the Nets. Somebody has to score. Yada yada.

They run a real offense. Jordy Fernandez is a good coach. They're not out there doing bullshit, you know? The roster's bad, but like they're running real actions. This is adult basketball. It's the NBA. Maybe he does need to be a second option somewhere. Now, granted you good defenders around him.

I've got to figure out the right system, but like maybe the Detroit piston should trade for him. Yeah. Maybe he can be a solid like second, third option, pseudo three, four option on offense. Maybe he should be what Katie is for the, for the Rockets. As his big forward, that is his scorer playing off of a hub like Sengun setting him up. and like doing all this stuff where you're providing positional size defensively

but not lockdown. Like he might be able to do a lot of the same things. It's just hard because the two situations that he's been in are two of the more unique situations where it's like you're either on this team that's going to win 10 games this year or you're playing with one of the greatest offensive players of all time that makes everybody's life easier

and that can give you the ball in the perfect spot in times that nobody even thinks that the ball is going to be in your hands. So putting, that and trying to put that on a different team is like yeah like we can't take this risk but what is it actually going to cost us and should we actually do it i have no idea yeah like i'm looking up and down the roster is like i don't know like because you want him to be able to score more clearly that's his best thing is he can scale up so you want a team where he can get shots off he needs to go

to milwaukee okay he's low key that'd be kind of cool be a better version of kyle kuzman low key that'd be kind of cool maybe that would work i think it would i see the vision like cleveland if they want to go Mowgli at center and trade Jared Allen and like do this new thing where you maintain some positional size he could play out of Donovan Mitchell and Mowgli Cleveland could be interesting I don't think he'd sink their defense by any means he's not he's not a terrible defender Pacers yeah he would fit like a fucking glove over there but that's getting back to marginalizing him like the nuggets they're not going to let him cook well the the paces is interesting and I

actually wouldn't hate it because you your point guard doesn't even like yeah it isn't a score like that and you have you have a guy like Benedict Matherin who, like, they're okay with him being the type of player that he is because they do want that wrinkle and how they play. You swap out Benedict for an MPJ. That kind of still fits a lot of those, like, mold. I figured it out. This man would be the perfect member of the Miami Heat

in that system running around. Everybody attacking isolation, quick decisions. Like, this is the perfect player for that system. How many shots does he get in up right now? Oh, he's going to get half the shots for the heat. He won't like it. But he would be great. That would be fine.

Everything Norman Powell is doing, Michael Borgreier can do that at 6-10. Yeah. Put him on Portland Trail Lasers. Hey, that's nice, man. Honestly, we can say any team. He's a big wing that shoots three. He can fit literally anywhere.

Yeah. Like, if you're trading, Trey Young and doing this new big thing, put him in the Hawks. Him and Jalen Johnson's a crazy big four combination. You could do that. I'm only kind of joking. Like, that'd be kind of crazy.

I don't know about trading Trey Young, but him on the Hawks would be filthy. Can you do? I guess you can get rid of KP's contract and just swap him out and stuff? You sure. But I was just talking like if they do this feature thing next year where they do this new thing with all boards.

Jalen Johnson, Dyson, and then you have him in between of oh, Trey, Dyson, Michael Porter, Jr. Yeah, we got the best

light skins in the league, man. Oh, man. You're quadrupling down on your strength. Well, yeah. Brightness.

Hell yeah. That's nice. And we can put him anywhere, honestly. Yeah. San Antonio. Dude,

put him in Toronto alongside Scotty, too. He's eating in Toronto. Yeah, he's going to me. We got to trade Michael Jr. They have to trade him

in the class and immediately. We got a trademark capitalize on this value that you have right now. Okay. Last team this division.

I have the Boston Celtics. We could go a lot of guys on this team because they are having a beautiful season in terms of a gap year. They're not tanking like we wanted them to. So be it. But what they're doing in lieu of that, which is not equally valuable,

but damn near is they're cultivating like three good-ass young role players that can be a serious part of them winning next year or the end of this year if they're going to just do this thing where they have, what's the name come back? They have Taden come back

and they just try to make a playoff run, which seems more and more real as a day goes on because they're just a very good team. we could go to me as Kato but I won't but we could I think as long as it deserves

to be like a three-weight thing yeah like Jordan Walsh needs to be like in consideration that's who I'm going we're going with Jordan Walsh Jordan Walsh is the most underreared player on this team we can go Kita too

but I think Jordan Walsh is more valuable because this is a legit elite defender being 6 foot 9 he's currently hitting just enough corner 3s that it's good

right now he should 45% from 3 which is outrageous I don't know the volume of that I don't think it's terribly high you have 1.8 attempts a game his defense is bat shit insane.

He is one of the best wing defenders in the NBA. Like, full stop, no qualifiers there. He is one of the best defenders in the NBA right now, which they found another one. It's going to be crazy

when they have Jalen Brown, Jordan Walsh, and Jason Tatum. Three guys on the field at all at once, having just crazy length and a versatility there that you would think

those guys are all like seven to six, nine wings. They have three guys and do the same thing. Very different players. Jordan Walsh is a one-on-one swallow a guard-hand guard or wing type of defender

kind of looks like Herb Jones a couple years ago when he was a on-ball specialist currently he has 1.5 blocks per 100 possessions and 2.8 steals per 100 possessions That's disgusting. That's 96%tile and 98th percentile

insane playmaking wings he's contesting 20 field goal attempts per 100 possessions that's an outrageous amount of activity Yeah man he's playing like he's fighting for his life in the league He's playing like yo like I belong in this league And it sounds crazy

But just to show you how like, you know how people say, like, Tatum is, like, they see Tatum and how he's one of the best rebounders, one of the best defenders for his position. He feels like Timu Tatum right now. So we can do bare minimum of everything, but he's going to fight his fucking ass off. Obviously, he's not sound ass at him offensively at all, but in terms of having someone next to Jalen Brown who can be big, who can rebound and who can, like, put the ball on before bare minimum, that's him.

And he can defend the injury year. I mentioned he contest 20 field goal of 10s per 100. 8.2 of those are at the rim. That's a huge number for a wing. And teams currently are players that shoot against him on the rim shoot 7.2% worse than their averages. Yeah, that's locked down. Having him and Tatum as a 3-4 combination

of interior defenders is insane. That gives you the leeway to maybe have a spacing five out there that isn't the best interior defender because you have literally the best combination of wings in the NBA at helping on the interior. This is going to be a crazy team next year if Tatum is even close to as good as he was before the injury. Yeah, because you can have,

because we've seen moments of Tatum also playing, like, guarding fives anyways. And so if you just have a big, like KP, you know, in the past, or just big, like you said, that can space the floor, shoot threes and aren't great on defense, that's fine. We have somebody for that. So I think them, like, this is ultimate Joe Missoula ball, too, of just being the most insane person on the floor, trying your absolute hardest.

We're still going to get our threes up. Our offense is still going to be elite. and can we figure out a way that even if we have Peyton Pritchard who's grown to be a guy who tries very hard on defense you have Jordan Walsh who's doing all of this stuff you know what Tatum and Brown could do defensively if they like their their pick isn't going to isn't going to be crazy because they're going to make the playoffs yeah but I'm thinking about it now it's like man I kind of do what you got like for your sake kind of do what you guys tanked a little because if you guys got one of those pieces

and put it into what you're cooking right now, it would be scary. Yeah, and they're still going to be good regardless. Everyone's forgetting about them now. As you showed, they're not going to do anything of merit in the playoffs without Jason Tatum, but when they reload next year, this summer, Brad Stevens is one the best GMs in the league.

He's going to get a good center for them. He's going to find one, and it's not just going to be a startable center. He's going to find a way to get one of the best role players in the NBA that you never would have thought he could get. They're going to get them, and they're going to have a slew of new role players. Peyton Pritchard is going to directly replace

what Drew Holiday was doing for them. Jordan Walsh is going to directly replace. Actually, I shouldn't even say replace. He's going to give them something they didn't have before as another wing defender. They're going to find new pigs. Kada is going to replace what their backup big to give them before in Horford.

They're going to be just as good as they were before. The Sunsea feels like I'm watching. They make no sense, right? In terms of like, of course, I was a little bit higher than you guys when it comes to the Celtics during the off season. But I didn't think they're going to be like this good. I think they're, what, third or fourth

in the Eastern Conference right now, which is mad. They're second and offensive rating last time I checked. That's dumb. Like no one saw this third third and I think we did see that fact that they could still shoot out threes and still get it offensively But defensively they're better than you thought too Yeah exactly and I thought this team was gonna be good but not this good at all and I feel like right now I'm watching this team just repeat history It feels like I'm watching like the 2015 Celtics right now with just all these random role players just coming out of nowhere

Guys like Avery badly back then jay crowder backed in I guess brandon bass is a part of those teams too whatever Like just those those finding those level of random role players to help catapult your team and give you a certain level of stability. Finding that in your down years is so important. And they did that. This is a successful year. Is that a brand of a leap year? Southwest Division. Who wants to go first?

I got you. Okay. I got the sentence on your spurs. This is the only time I got in this division. Okay. Shout out to Harrison Barnes. Shout out to Harrison Barnes and the way that he is shooting. Yes. That is Mr. 100%. He is having one of he's having the best shooting season of his career. And when you think about this team and all the things that we said coming into the year of

like, if you want to be a legitimate contender, you are going to have to figure out the spacing, right? You are going to have to figure out a way to have shooters around DeAnne or Fox, have shooters around Wembe, all of this stuff. We know that Stefan Castle was a great shooter last year. You expected Dillon Harper to come in and still, you know, I just have rookie stuff or whatever and all of these other people. And Harrison Martin said, well, guess what?

I will fix it myself. I will knock down threes at the craziest rate that you can think of right now. He is shooting 44% from three. He's shooting 47% from corner threes. He's shooting 71% at the room. He is fantastic. And he's just been an old man that's just been off to the side for a long time now. Yeah.

He's back. Dude, he's had a fucking career, man, like going back from being a fourth, fifth option. How much money has he made? bro. A lot. A lot. It's interesting because he had a

total renaissance of the Spurs. That last year with the Kings, he was dog shit. I forgot he was in the Kings, bro.

He was so bad that last year. Yeah. Like when they got him, I was like, I don't care at all. Like he was so bad, I'm not going to allow

myself to have any expectations. He was on that King's team running around doing nothing for that last year. Like the activity was so low. I was like, yo, he's going to be at the league soon.

And now he's a sharpshoiter has completely redefined his skills, completely re-eemed, his impact. Shout out Harrison Barnes. You know it is two things. One, career earnings, $223 million. Second thing, it's a contract year. He's on the last year of his deal. He's about to get paid another $50 million added to the list. We're spending $100K on

nothing and you deserve it, Harrison Barnes. Shout to you. Shout out Harrison Barnes. Man, he's so dope. Next to him up, I have the Dallas Mavericks. Okay I guess it's Max Christi Hey Max Christie has become a very Good shooting guard Solid 3&D player

Has had more of it Onball responsibility With all the players being injured this team For this team this year And kind of Everybody needed to do a little bit more So I'll say him

But also it's Cooper Flag Cooper Flagg Cooper Flag is already good And I think we talked about In recent weeks People after those first two weeks In which he started very slow Because they ran him at point guard

It was nonsense They did what they had to do For whatever reasons People kind of wrote it off And said okay He's not one of the better rookies this year there was like obviously it is from having bus talks most people were kind of like we'll see what happens next year he's not going to be an impact star day one he's here yeah he's

an elite defender he's shooting well now three point shot isn't there that's the only thing is not there yeah pretty much everything else has been very good cooper flag is already a top 50 player in the league right now i think top 50 okay feel sorry he's been turning up recently yeah he's been extremely good as of late okay and again people just kind of forgot about him we have his death will appear for the last 10 games 20 points per game 7.1 1% potential assist, 3.3 assists, 58% true shooting, 57% on twos, just can't hit a three to save his goddamn

life. 21%. As soon as that turns around, he hits league average, which maybe that's a year two development. This is going to be a star player pretty quickly. I thought you're going to go with Ryan Nemhard. Andrew Nemhart's brother, because he feels like someone who, obviously Cooper's like number of over pick, everyone who's going to be

going to be good start off slow, turned up as a late. But part of the reason why he's turned up as a late is because of Ryan Nemhard in the stability that they've been able to find with having an actual true point guard there they tried it with delo then we had and tried it with brandy williams as well some other young spunky guard who's good too but he's like been the standalone like change i think he's been one of the biggest reasons why cooper cooper flag is already talented you know but he guys like ranning amhard makes his life a lot easier when he's actual

who makes solid decisions and knows how to run a decent offense yeah ryan mhart has had a ludicrous efficient scoring past couple weeks last seven games 13 points six point 9 assists 70% true shooting 62% from 3 he has been on a tear earning a role in this league really like he was he second round or undrafted I forget I think he was second round

a second round player that was completely overlooked nobody thought about him at all after the draft he's earned a job and like if this keeps up he's going to be like a diamond in the rough in this class dude he's he's spectacular and I think he's one of the guys I don't want to speak too early but he's

one of the guys where you look at him and you look at like this rebuild now I guess for the for the Dallas Mavericks and you see him you're like he's undrafted by the way he's he's one of the guys who belongs on this team for the long run alongside Cooper flag he deserves it yeah next up in this division who has Memphis New Orleans or Houston so I got two of those teams I got New Orleans and I got Houston which one you're talking about first New Orleans okay New Orleans you said different things it's fast it's fast I said a lot of New Orleans

Derek Queen is a guy we already knew that we talked so many times everyone across the media talks about how stupid that trade was for them to trade up their current first round pick their their 23rd first round pick and also on top of that a feature pick that was unprotected everyone knows how dumb that was that happened derrick queen is killing it he's been putting up crazy stats everyone knows that but i feel like someone who's been shadowed because of how great he's been as a late is the other guy who they drafted before him which is Jeremiah Fierce, he's ass defensively, okay? Terrible.

The other night I saw him up against the Spurs. And, dude, Dylan Harper didn't even do much. Luke Cornerick came up to set a screen. He didn't even move either. No one moved. And then Jeremiah Fierre just ran into him, Luke Cornett. And it was just like, what the fuck? Dylan Harper just had this clear way lane.

He's not a tier one rookie. Maybe not. He's probably not a tier two rookie either. But he's a very good player. And offensively right now, you see the, You see the capabilities of his off the dribble moves and his ability to shoot the ball. He's not like hyper-efficient, but he's not like your average, rookie slightly above average. First of all.

Anybody out there. Yeah. Who sees Jeremiah fears and knows that his nickname is Zero Fears. Yeah. Knows that he talks a lot of shit on the court. Knows that he is most known for having an elite handle and being able to be a buck and getter was why he was drafted in the first round. Knows all that. Knows he is skinny, has a rookie build.

if you expect him to be a defender year one you've lost your fucking mind this guy was not going to come out here and try a defense year one on a Pelican's team that has nobody trying to win he was not going to try year one on defense that's a year three development

we'll get the defense inside the ball immediately I mean in the future but right now that man can slash a good best of him yes a lot of the reasons we praise Dylan Harper for being going to create shots of the rim nonstop and be a crafty finisher below the rim

that's a superstar trait that Dylan Harper is going to have Jeremiah fears is right behind him in terms of rookies being great slashes yeah I agree and I think you know I said he was a tier three rookie right now but he could easily like usher himself into at least being tier two as the year goes on he's a very good rookie no one just cares right now because it's

Derek queen's show yeah yeah that's two great picks I have on a draft it's a shame they made a ridiculous move it might give up like a j debonsor or something to get it but can't take it away from that's a good draft class cell building around yeah i agree donovan do you have one of these teams nope oh i got the eastern rockets do you have all three these teams yep oh no i had memphis okay yeah i had memphis and we switched okay i'll go to the of his Grizzlies. This was the easiest one I've had all day

because their two best players are bums this season. Actually, I shouldn't even say that. They got a new best player. Zach Edie is the best player on the Grizzlies. There we go. And I'm straight up.

He said he did that ass serious. Damn, John Jackson will not make my top 30 list. John Moran, damn sure, will not make my top 30 list. Very true. Zach Ead is their best player right now and he might be

the best player going forward. I think I might rather have Zach Ead than Jared Jackson with no caveats. Let's talk about it. I think Zach Eaddy has clearly earned himself to being a top 10 center in his NBA.

This is a great player. This is a guy who, I don't know how much better Zubach is in Zak Heady. I don't know Zubach is better. You're saying a lot right now. You're part of right now. I think Zach Edy might be better

than Zubach. Like, it's a conversation. They are obviously a same archetype. EDI has mentioned that Zubach is a player that he drew inspiration from as a guy who could win in similar ways with a similar body type. It's exactly,

Edie is 7 foot 4 and just as mobile as Zubach who is the mobile guy himself. Last year, EDI was obviously a great interior score. 72% of the rim. How could you not be? You're 7 foot 4.

This year, offensively he's now shooting 57% from floater range to add to that he has been a more versatile finisher shooting around in the interior he's clearly adapted better to this offense in year two clearly adapted better to the NBA in general in year two a guy who has a unique body type and was clearly going to need some acclamation right he's one of the best interior defenders in the NBA yes he is having a ruddy gobertesque interior defensive season right now small sample size so this will all neutralize he's not ruddy gobert but right now the rim deterrence he has is outlandish the numbers don't even make sense

opponent teams shoot 10% worse at the rim with him on the field and on the court and that's not like shots he contests right those numbers you have a lot of times you see shots contested in interior you see a big difference like that

like I mentioned earlier Gobert was like 12% better on shots he contests this is in general every shot attempted on the court when he's playing versus off the court general on off numbers opponent offenses shoot 10% worse

at the rim that's 100th percentile the best in the NBA and what's even crazier also 100th percentile teams shoot at the rim 17% less the scare that's crazy that's almost like one in five shots

would be at the rim with him off the fort on the court are now not being taken at the rim people are terrified to get there they don't even try he looks dominant as an interior defender he looks like Rudy gobert like 100% you know what's so crazy so I looked up which players have the best defensive rating in the NBA and he's number one by a lot by fucking five points he's number one at Zach Eady and then number two is just a bunch of O KC

guys after that. And defensive rating is a team stat not necessarily individual. So it's also like you said, okay, see all the guys

after that because it's a team stat? There's no other grizzlies there are touching that. The impact he has on off is crazy. The team's half court

defensive rating. 15 points per possession better with him on the court. He completely carries that defense. It wasn't a good defense to start the year before he came back from injury. He's transformed to the team

right now and if they can get whole and they can get John Morant back and have some semblance of good John Morant basketball and some semblance of Jared Jackson being a threat as a score,

Edy being this good and all those young wings being solid, especially with Cedric Coward, having this secondary scoring ability jumping in mid-range jumpers and stuff. Jaylon Wells is playing well too now. This team could do something. I don't even want any of that.

I don't. It also is funny, though, because the Grizzlies, like, you're two best players. They are now at the top of the leaderboard in terms of old rookies. Like, Zach E. He takes his time in college.

Sedgeie Coward is an older rookie. and both of those two guys are holding down the fort in Memphis. So that one, that's really cool for that. I think for Zach Heady, seeing this and seeing his overall, like, growth and just dominance, it is really cool because so many people pre-draft were like, he's going to get ran off the floor immediately. Like, he can't move all that stuff that he was doing at Purdue. Yeah, that works in the Big Ten, but like, welcome to the NBA. And the fact that he's actually able to be on an NBA floor and not just be like a competent starter, but be somebody that we're looking at right now.

And you're saying he's better than Jaron Jackson Jr., better than John Morant, guys who have been all NBA players in the league before. I'm just happy for Zach Ead that he's been able to have this type of success this early on. Yeah, dude. Like I remember back when he was in college, he got so much hate from the NBA draft community. Yep. people had like literal civil wars between guys like him and also donovan clinging and these two are they're both good players but i think zach e has separated himself firmly in those conversations imagine the hawks picked him imagine him with treyon

whew whew ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha he's a fuck man like him with tray will be fucking nuts him with jalen johnson is disgusting dude his screen setting for trey for trey Trey, Trey would finally score above average again. Trey would finally make more shots than he misses if he had Zach Edy sent screens for him. Zach, whatever is like 17 and 15 rebounds. Yeah, and he's dominant on the interior. Doesn't allow opponent teams to get off as the rebounds

and he's on the field. Keeps seen field. When he's on the court, great screen setter. All the B gigantic stuff that we thought he could do as a role player before the draft, he can do. We're really getting one of the better case scenarios this season was Zach Eadie. Yeah.

And man, I fought wars as Zach Edy defender last playoffs when he got done dirty by Shea and the first. first round. There's clips of him looking fucking silly spinning around. It was a hard time to be a Zach E. Truther on Twitter. We're up now. Good job. Hold on to your stock. Hold on to your stock. You're a threat. Never sell.

Next team. I have the Houston Rockets. Someone who's been having a good season and because of all the additions, all the great young players that they have on their team, exciting guys like Alfred Singh, who's ascending, Amin Thompson, who has had a kind of shaky season,

pretty inefficient offensively, but still like a demon defensively. Katie, of course, like, is a made talking point, but Jabari Smith, Jr., he's still good. A lot of people don't care about him because when you go back to his draft class in 2022, it's faced by him or faced by Palo, and then there's Chet, and then there's also Jabari Smith, Jr. He just has a really consistent game. He got bigger, stronger this year, and his ability to be a constant, constantly giving you 100% effort constantly when he has the ability to or the opportunity to attack closeouts, hit through. three's timely three specifically. He's been mad clutched throughout the, basically throughout the

entirety of this career. He's just a good player to have. And I'm not, I don't think he's a star necessarily. I don't, but I will say when it comes to talking about him and where he was drafted at and what his career has net out to be so far, like he's a championship type player. He was on the bench a couple of years or last year, but he just was consistently flexing in and out of lineups. And now he's maintained his, he's solidified his space as a starter. And he is like one of the players that should probably be talked about a little bit more than he already is right now. I think for, I think Javart Smith, and like I agree with you, I think for his entire career, he's going to be in this category. Because I don't like, he's good, but I don't, he's not going

to develop into some guy who's going to average like 25 a night or anything like that. But you look at where he was, the fact that he was this highly, highly drafted player into this development and he's not this, you know, who kill him type of player either. Oh, my fucking guy.

Right, dude, so we are recording this Thursday, December 11th, 259 p.m. Oh, no. I just finished talking about Zach Eadena how great I think he is and I get this goddamn tweet across my phone. Memphis Grizzly Center, Zach Eadie, we re-evaluated in four weeks with a stress reaction in his left ankle, a seven-foot guy having lower

body injuries, I'm gonna fucking scream, I'm gonna rip my hair out. Bro, if I'm a Memphis fan, I would kill myself. What? Oh my God, I just spent all this time talking about this. As we finished talking about this, this could not be more hilarious timing. Oh my God. This is a management plan to optimize

Zach's long-term health in consultation with the Grizzlies and medical experts. We evaluated in four weeks. What do you mean? We'll check up on him in four weeks again. This season is over. He just can't stay healthy and it's that's how it goes to seven footers. Yeah. And once you start, we start getting

the medical experts. Ah, it's down here. It goes downhill. We already talked about the Mavericks. R.P. Derek Lively, he's also done for this. He's in a lower body injury. These goddamn feet for these gigantic men. Damn. That's that's, can't stay healthy. That's so heartbreaking, brook. Jawa was over here, like, he bought like two,

apparently about like 250 tickets for his return. I think he returns, what's today? He returns tomorrow on the 12th. but 250 tickets he was so hyped to play alongside Zach eating this new not new but this newfound energy team that they had brad and it's sad

2026 we'll be back never sell your stock I'm not done February will be back your stock is like you're shaking now just like that it just plummeted within minutes it's only four weeks

damn man all right next division we'll move on to southeast that's me you got a bunch of things here I got two okay we'll start

So with the Wizards. Trey Johnson is fantastic. And I like watching Trey Johnson a lot. And I understand that he is not lighting it up every single night very consistently. However, I watch him play. I watch him shoot the basketball. That's a shooter. Okay.

That's a new one. And it's not even that he's like playing bad. He's shooting 40% on the year, right? It's just not like the crazy, crazy numbers aren't there. But watching him play and watching him like, His ability to move without the basketball is the main thing that I see with, with Tray Johnson. I don't think that, and like maybe it'll happen, but like on, on ball, creating three point shots, step back, all that type of stuff, that might come, right?

We'll see if we can add that to the bag, but I do think that with his shooting prowess and his ability to move off the ball, that's going to allow him to be a very, very critical part of any type of winning basketball team and I think that he 100% is a winning player and an additive player and he's one of the few players on the Wizards that are like actually shooting you know have like above league average or positional average at like their effective field goal percentage he is a good player and so for for the Wizards again they all suck like collectively they all suck but Trey Johnson is one of the bright spots of this season okay and I do like watching him.

Dude, Cam Whitmore is going to be out of the league soon. I saw this clip on Twitter where their head coach is talking about how, yeah, man, he just doesn't play our brand of basketball. It's hard to find minutes for some guy like this. Can't get no minutes on the Wizards? Brand of basketball for the Wizards. Do you know how bad you have to be? He doesn't play anybody's brand of basketball besides Shanghai.

He just only gets buckets. Like, it's crazy. Like, I don't know. Maybe they're not, maybe he's not good coach over there. I don't know for sure. I don't have a good feel for how great their coaching staff is and getting young guys to buy in. Everybody's buying a little more than he is. No, I, I, uh, I, uh,

he definitely is going to be in the in like the cam reddish camp it's like if you only gets the opportunity then you know he's so nice he could do all this brother you've been on seven teams of five years you've had you've had seven opportunities you've had a third of the league tell you you can't play here right so like stuff it's yeah he's probably just not an NBA player right now this is a hard I have a couple teams of division too this is a hard one uh Charlotte man not a lot of good players here and the ones that are good

we all know they're good like yeah there's not a lot as overlooked to me on this team so I'm gonna just say con canipal if we have been

in case some people out there somehow you don't know that's right in case you don't realize this guy's gonna be the best player on this team

pretty easily I've been completely unmoved by Brandon Miller for pretty much the entire of his career after his rookie year that was like promising

some good stuff for rookie standards a lot of people were moved saying this is clearly a star I was like okay I want to see it again I want to see

the year two improvement injuries have been the story of his career since then, and when he's on the court with, you know, that timeline of being held back by the injuries, not being going to really develop and get a rhythm. It's just been kind of unimpressive, not entirely his fault, not saying he's bad or, like, the story's out yet, but it's getting increasingly difficult to have optimism of the story is going to go a good way when it starts this way.

And lamello ball, I don't got to tell you anything about lamella ball. So shout out con Canipo. I guess Cockbrenner is also a solid starting center. He's probably overlooked by some people. Yeah. But I like Concaniple more. So I'm going to say people still don't realize this is a future all star. Yeah, you should realize that

and you should realize that already, right now in this moment, he is the best player on the Charlotte Hornets. That's so crazy to say, man. If you would have came into the preseason in the summer and told me that this dude was going to be the best player on this team, I would have been like, damn, they traded himello already. Damn, what happened to Brandon Miller? He got injured, he got hurt too.

Yes. I would have like, oh, the same thing as last year happened again? Okay, it makes sense. But damn, bro, like that's so sad. It should be sad. It's pretty awesome for someone who likes to watch concanipples. I'm not sad about it at all. I think it's dope.

He's a great player to watch. I have a team that, again, like, I ain't go by y'all. I need some help. You, you, you, you're just watching right now, bro. I don't know what to do with the Miami heat right now. Like, really? Their team is so, like, get it by committee. So I have to bam out of bio doing all the normal things that he's been doing.

Tyler Hero just came back. Jaime Hawkins is killing it off the bench. Andrew Wiggins is doing Andrew Wiggins. Simone Fantecchio good to shooting year and all that. Davy on Mitchell, his assist numbers are fucking crazy. I know. But it's so hard for me to choose a standalone player. So that's why my nominations was this team as a whole, man.

They're annoying and they're going to make you work and run. Yeah, I think we can say everybody on this team besides Tyler Hero is better than you think. And that's not the shit on Tyler Hero, but like he hasn't been, he wasn't there for the start of this season when everything's going beautifully. Yeah. There's some buzz in Miami media that since he's gotten back, the vibes have been killed. and we're getting that worst case scenario of like, can this guy fit in or is he going to change

the way they want to play? Yeah. A lot of people are feeling like Tyler Heroes and, you know, throwing off the mojo, Jaime Hakez, done off the mojo, Kello Ware and all this stuff.

Yeah. Time will tell. He needs time to figure it out and really fit in with the way they want to play. But Pell Larson, solid wing. I like watching them play. Simone Fontechio, solid wing.

I like watching them play. Dave Yon Mitchell, solid guard. I like watching them play. Up and down the roster. They got a lot of spunk. Yeah. Like, I guess, like,

Except Yovitch. Yovitch is the one we can't say that for. Yovitch has been goddamn terrible after he got paid. Ah, yeah. He hasn't been playing like that at all. Actually, he's so fucking sad. Yeah, Yovitch is very bad. He's like actively pretty goddamn horrible, actually, for the price he's being paid.

And we've seen him play decently. So maybe it's not over. It's a slow start. It's fucking terrible right now. Yeah. Miami is just such a weird team to gauge. I wanted to talk about Kalea where, but he's been one of the bigger talking points. Last night in the Emirates, NBA Cup game, he only got like 12 minutes, right?

And I felt like that was so weird. because I thought he was doing productive things on the fucking court playing solid defense and all that. So I don't know. That's just an overall weird situation. If you look at his plus minus minutes alongside him and bam out of bile,

they just like they don't produce positive basketball when they play together. Their defense is worse when they're both on the court but when either of them are off, it's better. So it's just weird situation going on over there in Miami. Yeah, and with Tyler Hero coming back, they probably have less minutes to give the double big thing.

They had to play a little more of their perimeter players. So again, another reason why people were saying, the Tyler Hero thing is kind of complicating some stuff. Damn. We'll see, though. Who has the Orlando Magic?

That's me. Who is the most underrated player on the magic? It's Anthony Black. Okay. Anthony Black, we're talking about, I can remember if we were talking about on the air or,

or off, but we were joking around how a couple years ago when we were doing our rookie tier list, you and I were just like, you know, put Anthony Black in F tier. Like, this guy is not going to be anything.

And we, Like, one, we just had to put somebody in F and we had to put anybody in F. Yeah. So we just chose, we chose Anthony Black because at the time he wasn't really hooping like that. He is whooping like that right now. And there are several games where, where Anthony Black and his, his impact can 100% be felt. You look across the board, still not shooting amazing from, from really anywhere. However, which is, it is crazy.

It is crazy. But. I do feel like whenever I'm watching the magic and I watch the buckets that he does get, they do feel like impactful buckets. They do feel like they come at certain times in the game where he's either capitalizing on defensive plays in transition or he's knocking down a big three. And he, like about a week and a half ago was probably like the real, real peak of this where he really was scoring well that's tiled off just a little bit.

But Anthony Black is a legitimate guard and a legitimate. like wing for this team. And I think that when you look at Desmond Bain, you look at Jalen Suggs, who's, who has, you know, risen and everybody knows about him, Palo and Franz, all those guys. Anthony Black is one of those guys that is obviously like firmly in the rotation and is very additive to what they do. So I think that he is one of the more underrated players on this team. Yeah, I agree. Shots of their Atlanta match, right? Like, I think one of the more underrated aspects of team building is not absolutely whiffing on any of your prior previous draft picks Anthony Black is part of the reason why I'm saying this and also Tristan de Silva is also like

a legitimate player who deserves consistent minutes throughout the entirety of the year. He's someone who, okay, Franz Wagner went out, cool, it sucks, but it's not like you're going to absolutely die in your season's over because Tristan Zilva is like, he's not adequate, obviously. Franz Wagon is an all-star level player, but Tristan Zilva is someone who produces on a positive level across all fronts, so. Good stuff for them. There you go. Next teams we have this division are the Atlanta Hawks, and that's the last one.

You. Who do you have for the Hawksmo? I'm sure you have them on your list. Now, if we made this video a couple of weeks ago, I would have talked about Anya Kong because he was shooting like 40% from three. It was tailed down a little bit, shooting like 36, maybe 35% from three, had a little cold street going on that dinged his numbers. Dan fell off a clue.

But someone who's prevailed and hasn't fallen off for a day in his life, it feels like is Nikiel Alexander. Walker. He turned himself to like a solid role player coming off the bench. He was like, I don't know, top six or seven in the row six men of the year race a couple years ago. Obviously like a special part of that team in

Minnesota. And now he has the ability to start now that Trajong's out and he has filled in a dire void in fucking buckets, bro. And he took on his lineage from his cousin, bro. He has that last name of Alexander and he's been living out to the fucking hype, bro,

because he's been this tremendous three level score across all fronts and he's been hyper efficient as well getting buckets of course off the dribble but also off on the dribble as well like he's been spectacular and i don't know where we would be without him on this team bray special player this guy is currently shooting 39% from three on 10.5 attempts per 100 possessions he is getting them up this is a crazy three point shooting season still a good defender can still play on and off but like you said, this guy is playing

at least in the last few weeks producing like an all-star. Yeah. Is Trey Young assistant player? Can anybody step into this role? What's going to suck is like when Trey comes back on my damn, bro, like Dyson got to come off the bench?

He's like, he's like, he plays one of those guys again who plays extremely fucking hard, bro, and the defense hasn't really fallen off a fucking cliff either of us. So it's like. And you're spacing will be better. Yeah, you probably should start

to kill Alexander Walker. Yeah. I'm like, I don't know how how it's going to fit. is a lot. It's starting to become like a mini log damage this guy so you want to play. Three guard linens with Dyson Daniel, guarding small forwards? Well, one, there's a very clear way to

free up that logjam, but we don't have to get into that today. But having, like, having Dyson Daniels and Nickyale Alexander Walker, and obviously, like, you guys did just pay him, but you're not paying him top, top dollar. And so, like, the value that you're getting from your back court is

probably, like, some of the best value in terms of, like, combined value, of a back court in the entire NBA. So, like, you guys, shout out to y'all. Y'all can, you guys have some moves, have some things to make. Like, legitimately, whatever the trade situation is, you can figure that out. The, are we in the Yonah sweepstakes or not, right? That whole, that whole thing.

Like, you guys are, are mid. You have been mid. We understand that. There are a couple moves that y'all can make. Don't fucking forget your mid either. That can get you out of mid. This is, like you said, this is. one of the good mid spots that y'all have been

in a while. Yes, it's good me. So I'm going to compliment you, I'm going to say some good stuff, but don't you motherfucking forget that you are mid. You are who you are. You are mid. We are currently the ninth seed right now. It's a three-way tie. You won't ever get another top pick. You won't ever get another championship. You'll be in the middle every time. Oh, wow. Shout out to the New World Pelicans. We have an opportunity to break a generational curse. So let's see what happens. I don't know if you're going to break it. I

don't know if you're going to break it. I hope so. Last division, the central division. First up, I have the Detroit Pistons. this was tough because I keep wanting to give it to the really good players I don't know if people realize yet Jalen Duren's an all-star Keep on saying it Jayland Dern is the top 30 player in this league In his league might be a top 20 player in the league

by the end of the season if I see no sample size He has been crazy The fact that he can still be this dominant interior score Being this fucking gigantic lob threat Finish at the rim playofficate perfectly Now he has a bag He's taking short mid-range jumpers Now he's taking guys off the dribble

He looks incredible Also being a solid defender He still can't really move his feet on the perimeter Still has some stone feet every now and then but on the interior he's getting much better positionally but it's Isaiah Stewart Everyone knows he'll be an all-star Isaiah Stewart still overlooked

There we go This is one of the best interior defensive duo In the NBA now Isaiah Stewart has over the years Developed himself from being this enforcer I'm a punch guys in the face I'm gonna try to rip LeBron's fucking head off To being a legit great defender

He him as a shot blocker Him as a post defender him on the inside And all defensive facets Legitimately impactful Yeah yeah I agree I feel like there's not a lot of players who can say that they embody certain things and they represent their team

from their team history to current day. But Isaiah Stewart is that and what makes us so much sweeter is that he's a positive player. He's a good player. I mentioned all that defensively while he's so valuable.

He also shoots 41% from three right now. Dude, a couple years ago when I think I don't know who forced him into the playing for, I don't know if it was Monti Williams or something like that, but I used to hate watching those lines and I would fucking hate watching

Isaiah Stewart shoot like 29% over three point line. Yeah, but they were losing the most games in NBA history with him playing the four. Yeah. It was gross.

And now it's great. It paid dividends. Being an elite shot blocker and an elite three-point shooter for a position is just an insanely valuable thing to have on any roster. He's a newest version of that. This is Miles Turner with some heart.

See that right there. Star. Star. We do those combinations all the time where it's like if this player had this skill, oh my goodness. This is Miles Turner with Scotty Barnes' strength. come on now that's so dumb wow man that's crazy it's a very valuable player you say that and

in a vacuum i'm thinking top 25 players yeah exactly no don't ask him to dribble don't ask in the past i don't ask him do other stuff the top 25 players can do but those few roles he has he's amazing at him yeah i love that don't ask him to dunk don't ask him to be anything in the his own misses at a big break often the rebound is solid too need that very good interior score very good three-point shooter incredibly valuable player who has the bulls not me thank God do I have the bulls I think you do

oh I do have the bulls oh and I've decided to make a conscientious objection who has the bucks ooh I have the bucks and I too

have done another objection damn there's no one to talk about the bucks bro I'm so dead serious we can go through the list who has the Pacers

okay shout out Ron Rollins Ryan Rollins Ryan Rollins we all know he's good now but it's Ryan Rollins yeah who has the Pacers

I have the Pacers man very hard to talk This division blows. And granted, they're on Dernah gap year, so the patients will be good again next year. But right now, they are not good. The only thing that I can say that surprising is you guys would never believe who's leading the NBA and block shots, bro. Jay motherfucking Huff, bro.

He's by far number one. Of course, Wembe's out. But he's by far number one. It's insane. Shout out J. He's better than people realize. Cool. Who has the Cleveland Cavaliers?

Shout to Jalen Tyson, man. Okay. Jalen Tyson, I think right now, Jayne and Tyson might just be the guy that people are like, wait, why are you talking about this team is not together? Like, why are you the one like standing up thinking that you're the leader? Because Jalen Tyson is out here doing his job, doing it to the highest level. And last year, he was a first round pick in 2024.

Didn't really get burned last year. I was like three points, really a non. a non-factor. And for a team that has been needing wings, you're like, dang, are, like, was this a miss?

Is this something that we're not really going to, like, get the dividends of? They're getting the dividends this year. He's averaging 10 more points than he was last year. He's shooting 47% from the three-point line. Damn. He's shooting 45% from corner three.

He and Tomlin are two of the guys that are these wing players that are coming in. And they say, we would do our job. What do you need energy? We will provide all. the energy that that you need and you have when you have like your your big four of garland mitchell mobly and allen that's cool we all know that fifth spot is a is a rotating type of thing jalen tyson is playing like like a guy that like you look at that spot and you say you are

holding it down thank you so jalen tyson shout out to you you are doing your job so the jalen Tyson, another good player that was taken after Dalton Connect. Year by year. Rob Polinka does war crimes. The list is bigger and bigger and bigger. Rob Polina doesn't work in it on the first round. 47% from three is insane.

Tough. And with that being said, that is one overlooked player on every single NBA team. One player that's better than you think. With that being said, it's time to put that candy cane in the air. Time for Mo to feel real festive. We're having a jolly ass TikTok time.

Cue the slide and go to TikTok time now. Welcome to TikTok time. Today, we're going to begin with something fun. In the recent days, we have been watching the oldest player in NBA history, LeBron James, come back into the Lakers lineup, but a lot of elderly thoughts on the mind as of late. So to go along with that,

we are going to react to the funniest NBA old man moments we've ever seen. Donovan has compiled a list of the best geyser moments in our league and we are going to rate how funny they are we sound like LeBronso in our league the game of basketball and it's only right

yeah so first off what do we got first off we have Kobe Bryant fully iced up head to toe ice on the shoulder on both knees I fear that this is the oldest anybody has ever looked playing in the NBA do you need to put it down

what the fuck why are you playing I've mentioned this a couple times because there's a scene that's always he stuck with me from a whole life. This looks exactly like a sponge bob scene of the guy with glass bones and paper skin. This is crazy. He looks got hit by a car. Yeah, he looks like everything hurts.

I've seen ICU victims with less bandages in this. I cannot, I cannot like forget because he tore his Achilles and then came back and missed time because then he tore his leg broke. He had a game when he was shooting left-handed because everything, everything on him was broken. This is ridiculous. And I, that was what 10 years ago modern medicine is

something different but this was insanely old to one you know the phrase leave the game before the game left you his body left him and he refused to leave it he said I'm going to drag this body as far as I can take you I fucking respect because this is what we miss in the NBA bray I want to see guys go out there and damn you die for you're watching Joel beat every night

he's also dragging those legs around when they gave up on him it's here it's different way no it's different because you hate him it's different and I love him not maybe not you but the mass is hate him. It's the same thing. He's also given his all. But yeah, this is a solid old man moment. This is a good thing to add. I don't think we'll ever see someone

bandaged up like this again on the sideline. This cannot happen. It's crazy. It's bad for the league. This is how football players look after every Sunday. This is how Herbert looked last night. A couple nights ago. Next up, Chris Paul just being sent home. Yeah, this has been on there. Instant classic. What do you mean, like, you're sending me home? I'm not

trading. I'm not cut. I'm not waved or none like that. And not for performance reasons either. For attitude reasons that we just can't put up with because you're too old for it to be worth it. That's crazy. You got sent to the corner too many times. You got to go home. You got out of school suspension, OSS? Exactly.

But sometimes, like, people would get ISIS, people would get suspensions for actually doing bad things, right? We've seen people be sent home because, you know, they are bad people. Yes, for crimes. He didn't literally nothing wrong in terms of breaking the law. He told Kauai to try harder on defense. Kauai's not on that right now. No one is on this team. And Jeff Van Gundy, who was about 25 years older than Chris Ball, said, you're too old for this.

Go home. He took Kauai to try harder. Immediately Steve Bummer from the top of that building. Red Dot. To fire him. Who do you think you are? I don't think we'll ever see this again in history. We might.

We might. Getting told to set a legend getting sent home by his team? Okay. By his, like, by the team that he helped me. He made, yeah. Maybe not. By 18, I think so. Oh, it's happened plenty of times by 18.

We just don't care because it's not Chris Paul. Yeah. To this degree, the magnitude of, especially because you announces your farewell tour with the franchise that you feel most closely with and then they do you this dirty. Like that alone, I almost feel like the Clippers have to have had a real reason because you had, that's audacious. And you know what's even worse? Like, they did this at 2.3 in the morning.

They broke up at 2.3 in the morning. Like, firing a legend alone is crazy. telling you fuck your foe well to her that's crazy and to do it while you suck while you are at the bottom of the western conference you're not going to turn it around you're doing this for no reason you can't bear to be around him oh yeah chris ball was the problem no they just didn't like them they sent him home even at this point in time they're still ass they are six and 18 even worse with chris ball gone he had to have been doing some hyper old man shit so yeah this definitely there's to be on here's crazy next one just shack falling

There's so many moments of Shaq whenever he's on the calves, whenever he was on the suns, whenever he was on the suns, whenever he was on the subtes, just falling. And it takes about five seconds for him to hit the ground. If you see Shaq falling, when you see Shaq falling, that was just a moment you said, yeah, it's over. It's like when big buildings get demolition, they implode. Story by story. The facts. Everybody's got to wait. The dust will flow through you. Look at him. Look at Shaq in this picture. He looked. lost. No, he looks worried that he's not going to get back up. He needs at least like 5, 16 minutes to hold him back up, bro. This is not, this is not the way that one of the most dominant centers of all time should be looking, yet here he is, falling. You ever seen like a sick horse that he's helped getting up? No, I actually never have. That's how it looks. They're huge,

and people have to help them up. Normally is the end. So maybe it's a metaphor, maybe for his career. God damn. Yeah, it looks like a sick horse. Damn, my goodness. Yeah. Falling is terrible. Yeah, this is embarrassing. Falling slowly. That's the biggest old man thing. If you fall slowly, you don't fall with, I think what makes it worse is like getting back up, seeing the struggle to get back up.

You fall, yeah, but seeing you get back up is even worse. That's hilarious. Paul Pierce is getting crossed up by Joe Johnson. Now, on one hand, you can say, this is just a good play by Joe Johnson. Both hands are on the floor. He looks like he's crawling up. He looks like he's twerking.

What do you mean? This is going to do a diamond push up. when you are young and you get crossed up it's just ah right you just fall down now you're you're looking for your glasses on the floor you're trying to find your balance this is crazy you're stumbling to catch yourself makes it so less so much less graceful than just like falling and taking in and like bro this angle is crazy you say go make it jump like a hurt away even a little bit of a little bit more what the fuck thought I way up in a circle What year was this again?

This is like post like 2012, 2013. He is like 2012, right? Somewhere around there. He was hearing his head like a red nose. At this point, we should have filed the shit out of him but to save that moment. If you were to follow the fuck out of him,

no one will be calling back this one or the stickger at all. You have to just start grabbing the ankles and stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. Like, yo, Joe, I'm taking your ankle and I'm turning it. Like, we're not remembering this moment. This is terrible. Can you cross up like this? Is it bad?

Yeah. The still image is honestly the still image Might be worse in the video. And you see his like face is once in a Ah

You just feel like through the picture. You see how it goes Fire enough Our flexibility is gone. That's great. Next up. Michael Jordan

is still wanting to play one-on-one against Magic Johnson They were drunk as hell. That shit was so funny. And this is at the NBA 75 thing? Who told the story?

Basically everybody who was there was everyone like whenever they see pictures that they're like oh yeah it was a fun time but like you know Mike came in he was like real deal serious about like trying to play Magic Johnson and Magic Johnson is just there like ah it was good everybody yeah this is this has to be peak old head because it is like you are hanging on to any shred of what I used to be you know who I could do what he's that video of the old man playing in the park I've been busted his asses 87, that's Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson.

Literally, but Magic Johnson is not Magic Johnson is not on that anymore. Magic Johnson, I don't know if you saw the video, Magic Johnson is running on a treadmill on like mega yachts in like Italy or something. He does not care about playing basketball right now. Michael Jordan still wakes up and still looks at Magic Johnson's like,

I have to go beat it. Dude, if I had Michael, I would hate to have Michael Jordan as a family member because around every single gathering, be Christmas or Thanksgiving or whatever. He's going to try to do some ultra-competitive at everything. He's the worst to have a ride. I wonder who that sounds like in here.

It's crazy. Larry Bird, laying down on the sideline because his back was just gone. Now, this is an old man knowing for sure. Needing to correct your posture like this on the sideline, that's crazy. Your back is broken. You can't sit down. You can't go in the back room because you might have to play in about five minutes. You can't stay on the bike.

It's just over. You just have to lay down. This one isn't even funny. This one's just sad. This is, this is peak old man moment. Yeah, yeah, yep, yep. It's, it's going to be sad seeing him try to, I wish I saw him, like, try to get up to just roll over. Trying to find his grounding.

Hey, man, we're about two weeks away. One Seattle player from seeing LeBron do this. I was about to say, you know how people like save, you're like, save a seat? They have the little booster seat or whatever to make it comfortable. Yeah. Imagine if LeBron went over and threw the booster seat away and was like, let me get down here real quick. That's tough. That is so old.

Yeah, this is very old. That's the best way to say. This is so old. Father time, you don't want to see me, man. I got words for you. Clay Thompson shooting backwards. I've never seen anybody 25 run to shoot the ball backwards. This really only happens at the front part of your basketball career or at the end of your basketball career.

The front part, you're like seven. Yeah. Dude. Everyone swore. I swore that, man, like the ball must have slipped. Someone must have touched it. Oh, no, it was just him. Unwarranted, just the wind.

Don't right past buying, bro. What, when? You're indoors. I don't know what's happening. You're old. When it goes, it goes. Damn. Backwards?

The knees are the first to go. The grip strength is a second to go. Damn. Can't grab anything. He's just out here dropping water bottle and getting it right. Like, dude, get it together. Please. Shampoos everywhere on the floor.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, this is, this is, this is oldest hell. The first time that we saw Clay Thompson in a maverick, in a, in a Dallas Mavericks jersey, you knew, like, oh, dang, he's watched. Yeah, yeah. We knew this is a Hall of Fame entry to the washed jersey collection. This stamped it. This makes him first ballot washed.

Tough. Tough. Yadonna's has him trying to guard Jason Tatum in 2020. Click that link. Watch the full video because this right here is. That shit isn't. I remember that. This is elder.

Exactly. Bro, whoever let that assignment happen, you're going to hell because UD stood no fucking chance at all, bro. shifted the fuck out of him. He didn't even like take a step. He just opened his hips and was blown by. That's a rocker step from hell. Holy shit.

By the time his left foot took a step, Jason Tadden was doing a layup. And the move wasn't even that intense either. Like he barely sold him. By the time he turned his body, Jason Tadip was laying it up. Damn, bro. This is outrageous.

And you knew, like, post-20, what, 19, 2018, even. To watch that left foot Post 2018 If you don't have him was in the game You're down 40 He really shouldn't be in here

This shouldn't have happened I just noticed how we just started galloping at the end too Just trying to fake catch up It's over man Rotate to your next guy Oh man Yeah this is utter abuse This is one of the older looking clips

In modern NBA history Out of through a flagrant Tatum Bad sports and shit Come on now He couldn't even put his arm out Tatum's already at the room He couldn't get that Next one

Paul Pierce, no retirement This is the best thing Dremont ever did And it's the oldest time We've seen Paul Pierce on this list Looking very old This is older This has been

This is being so old That people are comfortable Disrespecting you So old People are comfortable acting like you've always been old What did What did Jermann say you said They ain't Kobe

They don't love you like that You think you want You want a fair role to You think you Kobe They don't love you like that And the worst part about it They don't. They don't love them like that.

And if this was in like 2012, maybe Dremont could have said it face to face. He had to yell it because Paul Pierce was on the bench. Because that's where he lived whenever he played for the Clippers. He wasn't on the floor like that. This horrendous as jersey makes him look so washed too. Look at this. This is one of the worst jerse of all time.

I thought it was cool at the moment. Bro, that weird line on the bottom of the ball. The fact that the blue and the black is on, the blue and the red is on black so you can barely see the blue sea. also you're wearing you're wearing the wrist sleeve over the you're wearing the sweat band over the shooting sleeve that's outrageous

I didn't know how to put it on at all we'd never seen that before you're right oh that someone said oh you want to throw this all everyone wears accessories now look stupid yeah I'll try it today there's some lines on this jersey too I'm being more distracted by the terrible jersey you know oh man he's sold

next one LeBron missing a layup now everybody misses layups however this is the beginning of the end this was whenever this happened you could tell like oh man two years ago this would have been a reverse dunk for the ages this would have been on people's screen savers the lock screen on their phones yet lebron is out here missing layups yeah he misses a lot of layups these days that was the first thing as soon as you couldn't jump very high started smoking a lot of layups he can still dunk every now and then but if he has to do that touch this time we have to angle it from four feet below the rim instead of above shit changed that 40 inch vert turned into a 14 it's worth. Real fast. It's gone. And this is, this is tough because he, he's done reverse dunks so much in his career that it was on autopilot. Now if he has to do it, I have to concentrate. Where's,

where's the ball right now? Where am I going to put the basketball? It's not, it's not one motion like, he used to be. He dunked on cornet yesterday. Yeah. And I was like, let's go. You jumped into him, not over it. He did not get very high. He did not get very high. He extended his arm all the way to get it to the room. Yeah, for the time. I am having the F. be i hunt for you and that's the end of that we're going to take a quick break from this video tell you guys about us we are giving you a word from our sponsor ourselves in this video we're here to tell you about our td3 winter merch take a look at most chest he is wearing our brand new stamp crewneck you can get that along with the rest of the td3 winter collection on our website

right now that's linked in the description it's all fire donovan what your favorite one obviously the long sleeve white tea that i got that showed on the show last week need that's a favorite one. It's the only one he has right now, so it's all he can think about. But you luckily can get more than just one. You can check out both the hoodies, the t-shirts, both the crew necks, the long sleeve, check it all out, along with the rest of our merch that stays there year-round. I'm getting in every color. And with that quick message aside, let's get you back to what you're watching. The next thing we are going to do, for the last four weeks, we have put every single NBA position into a tier list. Today, we have the last one. We have NBA centers,

and we're changing it up we're not doing S through F we have the same amount of categories but different phrases up here we have the top tier you're literally Shaq Bro second tier you're a two-way demigod

third tier big for good reason fourth tier running dunk man fifth tier clock is ticking and last tier big for no reason like that

big for no reason so disrespectful I have I think 20 of the NBA's starting centers in the league we're going to put them into these tiers yeah I got a lot this time so we're going to fly through them Let's start with Carl Anthony Towns.

Where does he go? Big for good reason. Oh, definitely. Big for good reason. Definitely. No one would ever accuse him of being a two-way anything. Yeah.

But offensively, he's a demon. He's big for good reason. He uses all that height to shoot over people, uses that size down load to be an effective rim score. Yeah. Everyone, every now and then he's going to get your shoulder into you.

He's a good rebound, been great throughout the entirety of his career. This is positive big. Hell yeah. What do you guys want to do with Anthony Davis in 2025? Oh, clock is ticking. Clock is ticking. It's alarming right now, actually.

He, yes, he's either, he's either going to be clock is ticking or he's going to be two-way demigod. At his peak, he is two-way demigod. But what you said was critical. You say, Anthony Davis in 2025. Correct. Clock is ticking. Exactly. I don't think he has in him anymore to be the two-way demigod.

He's pretty well. I think you be very good. So. But I feel like you can give him one more year. of being like two-way damning guy being up there because he's still obviously doing with the injuries he's still really good when he's on the feet court there's some guys on here that even when they're on the court

the clock is ticking it works both ways that just that just means that the clock is struck do you want to do Anthony Davis like that do you don't feel like he has one more good playoff running him I think he has he's only 32 he's 38 I understand that but his 32's old it is it is a rough thing

and we've gone we've gone through the game logs before we know how many games he's missed over the last five years we know how unlikely it is that he gets a healthy playoff run and plays four straight rounds just I'm there for every single game I don't know if that's going to happen

so I feel like right now the clock is ticking because he has we do know even though that he is 32 instead of 35 he does have limited time to maximize what Anthony Davis is about yeah so we want to do that while I'm going to treat clock is ticking because he's going to be next to some nasty names if we do this

we put him down it's fine we still we still know It's ticking, but it's still I haven't struck us yet. I think he's still good enough who can give him that credit, but if you guys on this day, you guys are really scared.

I can't argue against it. I'll put him in two way you're going, because he's still, we'd rather half him on than cat. One more optimistic, interior list for Anthony is the last one. Yeah. The last one.

Oh, man. This is my goodbye. Next year, though, we don't know what it's going to look like. He's signing up for his pension right now. Okay, relax. He's not LeBron. You're hacking like he's 41.

Jalen Dern. Big for good reason Last year he'd been running dunk man He was a quintessential center set screens Roll That man is between the legs Shooting mid-range jumpers now His bag is deep

He's big for good reason Is there a world We could consider him a two-way demigod I want to but I'm like The defense just isn't elite level yet Yeah, I don't know Maybe we need to see more sample size But if you tell me he has a good playoff run

And we consider him being one of the six or seven Best Centers in the league I believe you Okay But I think for now we can go big for a good reason But he's on the precipice. That's fair. Victor Womeniama.

Oh, 2A demigod. Yeah. Actually, let me say this first. Nicole Yokic. You're literally Shaq. You're literally Shaq. You're literally Shaq. Nicole Yokic is just as good offensively as Shaq.

He's ridiculous touch. Best pass in the league. One of the best big men shooter in the league, too, untouchable. anything like him he's obviously impactful on both ends of the floor but can you stay healthy for a whole year can we get a playoff run from you to really stamp and solidify everything that you are showing uh the the league in terms of what you can do we have to wait i think right now two-way dem okay so we can't get in the you're literally shock row yet until we can do it for 40 games in yeah he hasn't been in the play in yeah but that's for reasons outside of him but in general i agree with you on the on the health tip when i was looking at the uh total block leaders Guess where he ranked?

He'll only pay 12 games. He was number two. That's crazy. And by like a, not a huge gap, but I think it's like 42, 43 blocks in 12 games. I'm not going to lie. He's literally shocked, bro, but I'll let you guys be considered. Not yet. Not yet.

Time out. Okay, okay, okay. Alperin Shangoon. Oh, he's big for good reason. Big for great reason. And honestly, him being big is like what makes him so good right now. He is a walking mismatch. These smaller power forwards cannot stay in front of him.

He's too quick and too good of footwork for the. the centers, he is hard to deal with down low. Big for great reason. He's one of the few players where it's like, bro, if you were to lose 10, 15 pounds, you would be worse. Oh, definitely. He needs all the girth he can have. He throws it around well. Mark Williams. Run a duckman.

That's a quintessential running dunk man. Exactly what you want for the center. Set screens, catch lobs, you do it perfectly. Yeah. His career was dying over there. Thank God we saved him. Get him to a great coach. Bam out of bio. Big for good reason, I think.

Or he's not, he's too good defensively to be running Dunkman, I think. That's why. And he's just threes now. He's a shooter now. He's a stretch big a little bit. But you wouldn't consider him a two-way demon at all. That's why he's just big for good reason. You know what's funny?

He lacks the offense to be a two-way demon. Exactly. Defensively, he got it, but. He's a good offensive player. But he's not elite. Yeah, he's a good offensive player, great defensive player. Yeah. Like, he's good all around decent.

He's a whatever. ever finisher. He's obviously grown his mid-range game. He's became a passing hub over the last few years. He's good, but still not elite. Yeah, and that works because he's 6-10 and not 6-1. Yep. Yaku-Poto. Oh, that's big for no reason. I think his clock is ticking. Man, since he got injured early this season, he's looking rough. That man can't move. You had him as a top seven center in the world. And we're not going to let you fucking forget it. And guess like, yesterday and I was on Amazon shopping for caskets. Not for him, but my agendas.

It's over for him. It's completely over. It doesn't move the same. He was coming off of injury already. Everybody, Raptors' fans wanted to give him grace. That shit doesn't exist no more at this point of the year. But he can't do nothing. Offenses, whatever, but him not being able to at least be decent when it comes to screenstating

like that or at least like not be fool defensively on the picker role especially, it's supposed to be your biggest strength. Yeah, it's over. It's over. So clock's ticking or big for no reason? I feel like it hasn't been enough games we can probably still say clock is ticking,

but it's real close to being done tick and it's real close to being a finished clock. Dude, considering how much money he got paid in the offseason for no reason, it's like you're big for no reason as well. Yeah. So overpaid pushes in the big for no reason? Yeah. You know what, fair enough. Joel and Bede.

Not that. The clock is struck. He's still playing. Clock is ticking. as far as like how long you can keep playing. He's trying his hardest. He's playing everything out there to continue to be on the court providing

as much value as he can. Then you know what? Clock is taking for him. Yeah. Because also the Sixers are waiting for that clock on his contract to run out. Yeah. And listen,

shout up. Every time I watch the Will & B, I'm like, salute to you for still being out here. Because like, when you watch and play, you're like, you have every reason to retire.

Yeah. You have every reason to call it to quits except for the fact you get $60 million a year so you should keep trying to play because it's in your financial interest. But you can tell he wants to be out there. It's tough. Yeah, man.

Alex Saar. Where is he gone? Very interesting. He's good. I don't think he belongs in the big for good reason to you just yet. Not just yet.

He's made strides as an offensive player and I think he's going to be a really good defender one day. Still a little skinny defensively. Still isn't like an elite score by any means,

but he's on the right path. I think he's good running duck man for now. I think he can be a solid center on a good team if he had to be. Yeah, he can do the running duck man for stuff very well.

He has other stuff in his back. as well that makes him interesting, but he belongs right next to Mark Williams. Yeah, okay. Zach Eadie. Well, now as we learned about the injury, I would say clock is ticking. Well, let's calm down a little bit.

I will say, because now this is multiple years. You came into this year with the messed up ankle. Right now you are out for another four weeks because of your ankle. Your rookie year, you had a bunch of injuries. Did he's rookie year? I don't believe.

He missed a certain amount of time. Okay, I don't know, I don't remember if it's the same thing or not. Yeah. I don't think we put him in the clock is ticking yet. It's a bit dramatic off of this ankle injury is lingering. He's lingering for two and a half years. I need to know. Two and a half years.

Where these numbers keep extending? I need to know. He's in you too. Yeah. He's missed a considerable amount of time during his first year. I did. I just checked. God, yeah, it's tough.

I'm not going to say clock is ticking just yet because it's still young. But I think he deserves to be in running dog, man. He's already like established himself with these like, what last seven. 10 games that he's played, you're firm, that moves me. We have to figure out, sooner or later, are you going to be able to enroll in the Steph Curry ankle program or not? And who knows? Maybe.

Maybe he will. DeMontes a bonus. Steph really needs to sell that course on Instagram, man. Demontes sub bonus. Clock is mad ticking. I'm not like, clock is ticking. Clock is taken on like, can we build around you and actually win games. Yeah.

And it is. That's too much for me. You asked me the clock. It struck. The clock ticked two years ago for me, but for the consensus, the clock is taking, I think. Yeah. Like, you've been on one of the worst teams in the entire league over the last, well, at least PR-wise the last few years.

You're not a main reason why they're good. You're a pretty big reason why they're bad too. You're hurt right now, too, but it's like, what are we talking about right now? Nicole Levosovich. Big for no reason. Big for no reason. This guy stinks. He's completely big for no reason.

I feel like we haven't said like many good things about him at all on this show over the course of this show's existence. He's been good for like maybe two weeks and I was earlier this year. Strong jawline. Mad, strong, you're right. Mad, Angular. Yeah. Strong. That's true.

Isaiah Hardenstein. Oh, he's big for good reason. He's awesome. Yeah. Is he quite as good as the guys there or is he more running dunk man? Nah. So I think not to. I see.

I think he's big for good reason. yeah he's really good he's super important okay so he's doing this year he can he has he has good enough offensive chops and he's good enough of a of a defender to where he can start on so many other teams any team in the league he can start and make them better like there's not a team in the league where i can be like oh he wouldn't fit on the nix he would be perfect obviously was there already before cat on the hawks he would kill obviously if he was on the lakers he would feast if he wasn't the warriors he would do wonders of stuff curry shit bro if you put him on the backup big as the fucking nuggets he would eat and make them so much more better

his team there's not a team in the league where you can't imagine him thriving he's really fucking good great screen setter can roll can catch lobs obviously he has a floater that's a weapon to a team very good rim protector isn't the worst switch defender in the world the only thing he doesn't do is shoot jumpers and that's fine that's okay he's low key a two-way demon but not demigod so he's not quite demigod levels but he is big for great reasons i agree even even demon is is a little you're right two way nuisance two way monster

I think we can monster but not quite demon there's a difference there animal two way animal he is a two way animal yeah okay two way specimen okay animal makes it sound like you're dangerous

specimen's crazy specimen's like he's different maybe okay maybe creature if you want to sound like a little bit more threatening than just animal okay

okay let's stick with this team Chet Holmgren two way demigod that's a two way demigod this guy, the defensive value he brings, the scoring is getting better and better as his hip gets healthy

as he finally gets to play center some and get some real touches at a position that fits for him this is one of the best centers in the NBA. A DPO Y that can average 20? Yes, you are a two-eight demigodon. I can't even hate no more, man.

Last year it was me. Trying to keep the glaze away, limit the amount of glaze that we had in the show for you. The thing is, I have more than enough to compensate for you, so it was never going to change. And now guess what?

He has even more on his plate. This is overloaded glaze. I get to rest. Where do you go bear? Running dunk man He's still a great defender I think he's probably He can't be running dunk man

He can't be running dunk man He carries that entire defense Still to this day But he do be running in dunk He does vote He do be running in Dunkin Facts And like not only does he be running a Dunkin

That's all he done That's what I'm saying He only be running a Dunkin I mean he just in screens Well, you know what? It sounds like he's the greatest running dunk man of all time. He's a great defender, but he can be. And I would give him that credit.

He does embody running dunk man. He's just like the go-ed-eddits. I guess. Ew, man. DeAndre Aidan. This year, he's running dunk-man, too. Oh, he embodied. He's the perfect running dunk man.

For sure. He might be the second best run-dunk man. Actually, I think he's better. But he's with Luca Donchich. Super about running and dunking. What I think about a true, what a true running dunk man is, is someone who's just mad neutral. just not adding too much, but you're also not taking your team at all, but just do the simple

stuff. That's him right there. Yeah. And like, Edy and Gobert are better defensively, so they're more than neutral. But listen, they're just the best of running dunking. So they get to break the mold a little bit. Yeah. These guys, neutral.

Last one. Miles Turner. What do we do with Miles? He doesn't fit a lot of these categories for real. I don't think the clock is taking. It's just Miles Turner. We know what he is. Yeah.

It's like the team is just weird around him. How long are you just going to keep doing this? Just be doing what? For a long time. Just being you. That's fine way in, man. See, like, he's better than the big for no reason, guys. Kind of big for no reason.

And, like, the actual meaning, but he's too good for that. Spiritually, he's running dunk man, but he's running a shoot man. Yeah. But, like, in his essence, he is running dunk man for what that means in this tier list. Yeah, can't do nothing else. He just runs the shoots. Run. Maybe block shot here and there. Yeah, he could be running dump.

He's running, he's running, that's all he is. He'll trail, shoot three's trailing. Yeah. well like a little bit of shots you want to rebound real well don't ask you want to catch a lob don't ask you want to post up definitely don't ask please don't ask him to swing the rock too

bad this isn't be made but he will run and he will shoot seven feet no post against god man and this is our tier list you got your literally shack bro Nicole Yoki standing alone the two way demigods

Anthony Davis Wembe and Chet that makes sense all the other all stars that are big for good reason then Hartnstein who slips in and then run and done man clock is ticking i can envision maybe towards the end of the year singoon and during potentially edging their way up into a two-way demigod potentially that makes sense you've been talking a lot about singoon edging have i i have i said those words together about him before

i think you're no i think you're actually right the fact that you have you guys have you guys are nasty guys no you guys are i have said that you all bro and that's the end of our tear list. You crazy dude. Next thing we're going to do. Let's talk about Janice and Tena Kupo. Somebody we keep talking about.

Someone we keep talking about. Obviously, Janus is in trade rumors. I'm going to name to you some NBA stars that he could team up with by being trade to their team. I want you to grade how well he would fit with these stars. Okay. So A through F, imagine this duo.

Would they take the lead by storm or would there be a disappointment? Gotcha. First off, Luca Donchich. I think they would be a disappointment. But they're so talented. They can't be like a, F or anything.

Prudy, they would win the finals. They'd be incredible. They would win the finals? Yes, they would win the finals. Potentially, but the last time I seen him with a ball dominant guard. Shut up there. This is Luca Dantzes and Janus. This is the third and fourth best player at like worst.

No, it is that for sure. Yeah. You are putting those two guys together. I have enough faith in in both of them that they can figure out a way to play to play basketball together. I agree with you. I'm not going to give them A, though, because I do think while they are talented, they would be great.

I'm going to give it a B because I think there would be legit fit issues. They would have to change some serious parts of their game and it would be a little clunky. So I'll go B plus, even though talent-wise, it's obviously the best you can possibly do. Man, this will be the greatest running and dunking man of all time if you put him alongside Luca. But would he want to set enough screens to really be able to run and dunk that much? I don't know. That's why I was weird a little bit.

They might just be taking turns. It might be a little clunky. And if they take turns, they're dropping 80 on your head combined. Fagin' right. You can still win a championship. Exactly. why they're B plus. It wouldn't be a synergetic fit, but they're so talented, it could still work.

Yeah. Victor Momajama. This is A-minus. We can't let it. Defensively, A-plus-plus. Offensively, it would still work, I think. I would not work offensively. Imagine a Brooke Lopez could Hesie Tween and Step Back 3 and also catch lobs and dunk on everybody.

This is an A-plus-plus-plus. This is one of the greatest duels of all times. This can't happen. That's why it's an A-plus. There's no way to. to solve this or scheme around this at all other than hope and pray that someone twuses their ankle. A hundred percent. And you know what? There's a good chance somebody will with these guys a track record

at this moment. But if they're healthy, I don't know how you stop this. Like they're literally unguardable. You got the scariest individual in transition since prime LeBron James and Yonis. And then you got someone who can do it anything imaginable on the vast bar. I think they could hold hands and their collective wingspan. They could run a two-man zone.

You never score at the rim. You just can't get there. Oh, I got some defense for them. I'm cooking up some stuff. What'd you get? If this happens, call me. I got you. What you got? Who's on Speedo?

I'm not giving away the sauce for free. He's doing illegal activities. You have to hire me first. I need to check. He's calling the guys that Gilbert Rueinas was running with. I do not know them.

He said, Chauncy Billow's asking for the plug. I do not know him. His momboy is calling Ghostbusters. He's calling no one. He's calling the soprano. Yeah, A plus. This would be basketball and Nirvana.

It's almost too good that it can't happen. It can't. If they traded him in Thompson and got them together as a duo, how would it work? I never really thought about this, but the type of passes that Sangun, how he would feed Yanis would be ridiculous. It would certainly be clunky. It's not an A plus or anything, but Shingun has obviously played a lot with bad spacing. He knows clunky. Now, he can make it work.

Could Yonis make it work, though? Yes. Because Shingu can space a floor a little bit. I think so. He can knock down enough threes. He shooting real well this year. Yeah, like I can see him do a couple sides of here. there do like minus yeah yeah they've played nothing like yonis wants to but if they figure it out

and i trust their coaching set to make it work they can bludgeon the shit out of people it would be hard if men was there though it'll be oh no they're trading a man for yonis damn they have to how else how they get them yeah unless you trade sangu no i could have put a man on here but that's less interesting yeah not got to keep sincun yeah but i don't know it would be really weird like it would be this like big to big stuff jonas have to play in small areas do a little more post stuff than he likes to dunker spot yonis a little more yeah I could envision this working because I saw a world where, like, Chris Middleton, he wasn't playing the same, like the same role, obviously,

but he was very much like the in-between game guy and Zengoon has that in his bag as well. So I can see it working. It would be real weird, though. But then again, everything the Rockets do was weird and it ends up being dominant. So I think they figured it out. I'll go B-minus. Jalen Brunson. How would they fit?

We already seen this before. Because this is the only thing is, I guess it's kind of the same thing as, like, as Janus and Lucas. Because when you have this smaller guard that also does play on ball when he's at like his best best, can you set enough screens? Do you want to set enough screens? Can Brunson fit better than Dame did? Yes, because I think Brunton is more willing and more comfortable playing off ball than Dame was. So you're saying that Brunson is better than Dame? Yeah.

So you're saying that Brunson is smarter than Dame? So you're saying that Brunson is more of a man than Damien Lillard? Potentially. Out of your fucking mind. I'm going to sit my shoe off. And I'm saying that if this duo got together and if it's, failed it would be because of yonness it would not be because of jalen brunton that is 100% what i'm saying and i'm glad that you guys understand my point i do the jailen brunsson play awful enough

to make this work i think this would fit better than dame i'll give it an i think this would be beautiful yeah i worry about nothing really is beautiful i wanted to lie i wanted to troll i wanted to rave i can't i would say that i would really like them have a stretch five and i don't know if they can do that because they'd probably the trade cat yeah but if they could do the wing trade and keep cat too this could be beautiful it'll be nasty mr robinson what happened into those all-season clips has he tweeting and pulling up from three

Mitchell Robinson and Yannis would be gross I'd hate that bro he should do you see the percentage it's like fucking 17 or something 18% from the Frito line this year did we're laughing we're dying about it a couple years ago

on this show I remember it's 17% this guy's on serious everyone always says the guy shoots shoot fritos poorly or shoot in general they're like bro what is he doing all summer I could do that

what is he doing all somewhere how does he shoot 17% the Frito line his ass is playing the harmonica during the summer, bro. Tumbleweed. He ain't doing nothing, bro. He ain't doing nothing, bro.

It turned to a 1960's grandpa on in the summer. Yeah, bro. None of the overalls. It sounds like how he kicks it, though. Facts. Facts. Next up, Cade Cunningham. How would they fit?

This is beautiful. This is beautiful. This is beautiful. if Yannis, like we said, develops into being okay, setting more screens. If he doesn't want to be a screen setter, it might be a little clunky. He just can't play with guards anymore.

He's got to prove it, kind of. Like, high usage guards that, like, are picking roll ball handlers? Kind of got to prove it. If he was to prove it, I expect Cade's three-point shooting to fucking serve because he has all the room in the world, and he has so many opportunities because Yonis is tracking so much attention in the pain. This would be beautiful

for Cade's game. So you're going A? Nah. I'm going B, I'm going B plus. I'm going to low key go C plus. I'm going to go C plus low key. I think C plus needs a like dedicated pick and roll partner from his co-star and Janus needs the opposite of that, that they'd both have to prove they can play other ways. Okay.

I just, I all, I am going to lean on when two guys are like super talented that they can be good enough. And that's what we said in 2023. I know. We said that was going to be best. And these are all good. So like, of course, they all work to some extent. Yeah. But as far as on that ratio, on that scale,

of clearly everybody's a star. I'm not putting bums up here. I think it's a C. Okay. B. I'll go B. Okay. Palo Bancaro. F.

Yeah, this is F. You don't think having two gigantic fours that are just walking free throws. You don't think you could just bludgeon people? No, because I think one of them hasn't necessarily a hundred percent figured it out on how to be like the other the other co-star.

Like, Paolo's still trying to figure out who he is as a, as a player. Should it come into his own? Yeah. And guess what? He wouldn't even be given the opportunity. to Alex and Thanos is going to take his ass out of the game and like literally bandage him up and trade him and they're going to move him away from the city. Exactly.

I think how can you love somebody when you don't know how to love yourself. I think if they were to trade Franz and slip Janus into this team next Apollo, it would drive Janus insane. Yeah. He can't play at all how he wants to play. He has to change it up completely. Yeah. He would be so mad.

I'm a good D. However, the Instagram videos from him at Disney World would be legendary. But would Palo be there? I don't think Palo wants to hang him with Janus off the court. I mean, probably not. Yonah's got mad kids. I don't think probably has...

Yeah, they're not kicking it. No, just Janus by himself at Disney World, the stuff that he would document, it would be fun. Well, this is a duo's tier list. So I sound... I mean, duo's question, so... They could get in a teacup one time. Just be turning me.

Go faster. I'll go D. It's not an F because obviously they're super talented. If it does work, This can be insanely hard to stay in front of both of them at that size but yeah

not my favorite fit Scotty Barnes How do you feel The strength of those two together defensively Mr. Barnes Glazer The defense would be Outlandish

The offense again would be Almost even more clunky though Not even more clunky It worked better than Powell though Because Scotty's like Completely fine playing with the ball Yeah And he'll spot up

People don't help off him like that Like he's not like a terrible shooter He can cut like You're just heavily relying on that jump shot Continuing to develop And he's been shooting well all year And you can play Yonest ball

like he'll set screens for yannis he'll pop for yannis like he will defer like most of these guys won't if masai was still with the raptors he would have gave them everything masai would have sacrificed multiple internal organs that still happen and it would have been fun to watch i don't lie so i think masai would die to see this happen yeah i think like as a as a duo seeing somebody who is able to help be complimentary to tianus we've obviously seen that with chris milton scotty barnes and the willingness to be the second fiddle is really nice. So normally I would say this would be like a B minus

it would be a B minus normally. However, because of the way that I view Scotty, it would probably be a B plus because the synergy would probably be a little bit better. No, he would work. He'd be a legit second star. There'd be no stepping on toes.

He'd be a second fiddle. I'm going to give an A minus. The only thing with Scotty is that I don't think he has enough. Like someone like, honest, his game is very predictable and it's unstoppable and I think what makes co-stars around Yannis

work insanely well is his ability to be with a guy who's mad creative as a creator as well and that's not Scotty Barnes. That's why we have Brandon Ingram on the way. Nah, Brady here we gotta go! No, so I think this eventually will lend itself to not work at all. Oh yeah, you're greedy. Like who's on the Raptors then?

You're trading R.J. Barrett quickly and a bunch of picks. Yo, Wisconsin. You got to do something about this, man. That don't care of us is there. Let's say Grady Dick, it gets good and quickly there he can shoot, we have the shooting and ball handling

whatever it looks like I don't get you the fuck you're greedy Greedy. Grace and Grady Dick and quickly what are you talking about greed?

That's all I got though. No, that's what I'm saying for keeping B.I. Oh, I don't know. First of all, you think I'm way higher on B.I.

I don't consider that to be some greed. Yeah. But I think Scott E. The three, Yonis of the four would work beautifully if you have the right

guards there to compliment. Yeah. Like if they somehow had a Desmond Bainte guard there? See, now that is that's a big three. He is someone who just run around doing stuff, bray.

Yep. I'll give this name minus. I like this a lot. Bam out of bio. The heater always linked to every star. They'll be good. They'll be great together. Bam shoots now.

Yeah. I don't know. Did you shoot well enough? I don't know, but defensively would be nasty. It'd be insane. As long as they surround themselves as shooters, everyone, you have to shoot at least 42% of the three point line or else you can't be on the field on a court with us. It worked beautifully. Then keep Norm Powell.

Yeah, keep Norm Powell. Samo Fontecchio, you got a job Tyler Hiro No, Tyler Hill, welcome Wisconsin, buddy You're going back home, buddy I think this will work It wouldn't be great offensively But it'd be good enough

For the defense to carry, be Yeah, yeah But there's no like natural synergy on offense There's bam, get the fuck out the way Yon is gonna do everything Yeah, he said, okay If he'll say okay, go for it Your defense is gonna be nasty

You'll probably win DPOY But yeah, bro, you got it He's obviously, I've been begging Tyler refuses to shoot up Go cook It's your world It's your world Trey Young

This would actually be good. So if you trade Jalen Johnson, bring in Yannis? It actually would work. I like this. Trey can shoot enough off ball, but again, will Yannis set screens? Yeah, if you thought, like, Dame and Yianis had an issue, joining together, these two would have even bigger issue because the way Trey plays is so, like, one-dimensional as a guard.

And Dame is way better off-ball than Trey. Yeah. Loki, F. So I don't know if it, I don't know if it work well. I'm going to give it, I want to see it, obviously. I'll give it like a C plus I don't want to see it Give me Jalen Johnson and Yannis

Send Tray Yon to Milwaukee Nah They go with KP and a pick And Zachary Riches Greed That is greed I'll give you Dyson Daniels

He's had too good In a year Thinking about these pixie has Dude he's He's so bright Might have to humble him My year's mid What do you mean?

They are the 9th scene I know The gumption he gets We're a three-way tie for nine So we're really like 7th seed Great And still in the play

It's so well yeah obviously really i'm gonna give this a d i don't wouldn't be my choice of yon as co-stars yeah john moran's hell no this is just the same combo as paolo bro like if we gave trey young a d we got to get john moran and f yeah everything that makes trey young if he fit jama rand has that without the shooting jah can't even fit with himself right now at this point in time that's deep it's like what are we he it's not finishing can't even fit with the man in the mirror tough It's just not

There's no There's no advantages He's cooking Yeah there's no advantages It's over It's over I guess What that being said

That's an F That's the worst We can imagine Wow Steph Curry A plus He would save his life Yeah

Like he He's out here If Yannes wears Glasses at home Steph Curry would be Correct a vision He would have 20-20 vision

How would he fit With Draymond though Who cares Who fucking That's what you just ask? Nobody should ask it. Who cares? How old thanasis and Dremont fits?

That's the real question. Oh, that's a question that needs to be answered. Now you got me. They're going to be yelling at each other on the bench. Dremont would love to have you on this. Dremont would have a battery in his back. Dremont would be out of playing the happiest hoops has ever played. He would have punched anybody.

I actually disagree. What? I think we'd see the most charged of Dremont. Okay, maybe he'd punch everybody. Yeah. But it'll be bad because he knows, like, he's never had the self control to even whenever like the team needs him to stay in he's like no like you don't understand like they disrespect me like i have to do something if if yonis was on the team oh my goodness

i got big bro back here i'm looking on everybody like our defense doesn't live and die with me anymore i dare you to say something i will backhand you right now imagine if these guys went to indiana that'll be cinema bro what yeah here's the thing this would be all awesome. Steph Curry, Draymond, Yannis, beautiful. I'd love to see it. For Yonis' sake, keep him away from this old-ass team. Yeah, he'll be fighting. It'll be different story, different story, but same outcome.

No, go here, save Steph Curry's life, and then in two years, do the same thing. Ask for another trade. Bouncing two years, be a mercenary. That's how it goes. Once you request that first trade, you usually request a few. Not many of these guys stay with two teams. It's a gateway trade. It really is. It's 100% that.

think about any of these guys I mean like Anthony Davis would want to say a Laker but there was some tension last year before he got traded with the center shit yeah it's really a gateway James Hardin got it he got on that shit he got on that shit I gotta go

I gotta act up like he said that as if he was on some hard what the fuck he could stop he still can't stop I don't know if he's to finish the season there it's a problem

True. Hardin, PG, K.D., Kyrie. You got on that shit. That's hilarious. LeBron. It's a slippery slope. But LeBron's like functioning, though. Okay.

Next thing we're going to do, we are going to pick every single NBA goat that is in the league right now. What I mean by that is, every single player that is a goat at something. It can be a skill, it can be a trait,

it can be anything you want, someone who's the best to ever do it in the NBA that is currently in the league. Donovan, you go first. We all have a list of potential goats. Donovan, who's up first on your list? First on my list.

Kauai Leonard is the greatest scammer in NBA history. Bro, no what I wrote? I wrote Kaui Leonard is the greatest employee of all times. Because he gets mad PTO, doesn't provide shareholder value, sticks it to the man,

takes advantage of corporations and policies. I want to be him. He is the greatest gamer of all time. Wow. He shows up to work whenever he wants. He gets a raise anytime he asks for it. He lives in one of the two biggest cities in the country. He's at home at the crew.

He works from home. He does be working from home. If you work in corporate America, you should strive every day when you wake up, you look at the sky, you see the stars. I mean, you see the sun out. Think about how can I be more like Kauai Leonard? Been put on mad, mad. performance evaluation plans

does not matter does not matter he's the greatest gamer in NBA history okay naturally shooter we got Steph Curry is there anything better how can we specify that he's also the most audacious

shooter of all time he's the biggest jackass of all time in my mind because when he like let it rip he's going to go ahead and ore farm and on top of that too he's going to disrespect you while also like not looking at the room sometimes when he shoots as well also step curry is undoubtedly the greatest or farmer of all time

if there's a game being played he's on a court it's on tv he knows exactly where that camera is and he knows exactly which emote to pull out at the right time the same time now i had i had lebron as the greatest clip farmer of all time i think step curry i think step hurry's got him beat i don't know step curry screams strategically once lebron put on uh window carter jesus goggle's like why don't i do that though

he's the greatest millennial humor of all time oh i can't see such a millennial like that was the exact same as kelsey plum eating popcorn on the stand you said step let's stay in golden state i got draymond green as the greatest lebron glazer of all time oh he's got you beat

we're having conversations about he doesn't got you beat bro he talked i would never do this he was in a press conference talking about how sad he had to miss the birth of his daughter. Yes, to play a game. To play a game. Last year or two years ago, he missed a whole game to watch LeBron James

beat the scoring record. That is on paramount levels of glaze. Oh, like you're cooking. What do you mean you miss the birth of your child to watch something that's rewatchable across all services? You miss the birth of your child,

but not LeBron scoring against who they play again? OK, C. He didn't, he didn't miss it, but he said he would have missed a game. So he, so theoretically, Oh, okay. Yeah, theoretically, he would have, he would have missed his child's birth, but not LeBron's breaking the look.

The judge still stands. You should have never said that in your entire life. He still has that thought. That should have never happened. You know what? He is the greatest glazer. And you don't even got to enact all glaze. Just a thought of that much glaze is worthy.

Like, I just, I also word down on the serious note, Jerome on Green is the greatest small ball center of all time. Very true. Best small ball defender. I don't think anybody across history besides, maybe if Robin, plate today. He'd be a better small ball center. Or I don't know if you consider Ben Wallace small ball. He's kind of bam. He's a center. But in terms of power forwards, I can play center. He's the greatest small ball

defender of all time. Gotcha. Try to balance out some serious ones. Okay. I think Carl Anthony Towns is one of is not one of it. I think he is the best fake passer in NBA history. Fake. You mean? Yes.

Also, the best facial expressions of all time by far. Yes. When you talk about staring down before the no look, that's car. Anteatowns is bag when it talks about doing random like making a pass look harder than it actually is that is his bag i think that is that is his lane and he has owned it and he has that title may not be the best shooting big of all time i'm still going to give that to dirk he can have the best fake passer surprise surprise the alana hawks are the greatest and mid team of all time bro they have a 49% win percentage in the

history of their organization bro over the last six years they have a record of 215 wins and 200 10 losses. That shit could change up and balance out within the next two weeks, but greatest mid of all time. That's fair. It is fair.

I have two to pair together because we're getting to behavioral science. Chris Paul, the greatest rage baiter of all time. Yo, that is facts. No one's better rage baiting getting under someone's skin

than Chris Paul. He knows exactly which buttons to push. It might make him a terror to be around because it probably bleeds in other parts of his life. But on the court, greatest rage badder to pair with that. Janus is the greatest

gas lighter of all time. the PR spend he's trying to do right now trying to convince people that he doesn't want to trade that he's all for the team while clearly leaking that he wants to trade and setting up calls between the bucks and the Knicks and making stuff happen behind the scenes he wants his cake and he wants to eat it too

he's the worst kind of star that wants to have the best case scenario doesn't want to be the villain but wants to do some villainous shit I've been saying this yeah it's clear now this year he's earned that title very very true thank very very true

all right you want to go Devin Booker is also on my list, spiritually, best franchise player of all time. Okay, just down for the causal. Just down for whatever, won't say anything. It's just going to show up. I'm going to play these games in this uniform.

I'm down for rebuilds. I'm down for retools. I'm down for wins. I'm down for losses. Whatever it is, I'm here. And I'm not going to say anything, but just know we're locked in. He might be the greatest Phoenix fan of all time

because clearly he just rocks with the city and doesn't want to move. Yeah. That is true. true, bro. But hey, you pay me $70 million? I'm going to rock with whatever city too. You see those commercials? Like the Knicks have the visit Abu Dhabi on their jersey. They're representing like a nation. Yeah. He could do that. He can do commercials for Phoenix. You can be on the tourism board. He really gave him. Come visit Devin Booker.

My next one. I got Paulo Bencaro. He is the greatest sweater of all time, bro. You guys remember like a couple of years ago? I think it was, this article came out like when he was in Duke or whatever. He would drop like seven pounds a game. And he would have to be given this specifically special made fluid to help preserve some of that weight and sweat and water that his body just naturally gives up you never see that i never hear about that apparently the lebron was losing like 30 pounds a game on the miami heat that's 30 pounds is oh d he might be the real greatest sweater i don't know but in the modern NBA right now so far paul got speaking of lebron he's the greatest player of all time he's a greatest player of all time is in the

league right now i got a few other categories to lebron james okay greatest father of all time LeBron James first NBA father player with the son he has to be the greatest NBA father of all time You're not lying Not even close

Greatest influence to young men of all time Gotta be LeBron James Okay And on that note You're right Greatest face Of the NBA of all time

Lebron James Nobody else has ever been This positive I'll be in the face Do you think Jordan was this positive You think Jordan was as good For the league No he had his

He had his ups and his downs Lebron's no controversies Greatest face in the league history Been carrying water For every sports media company for 20 years Greatest Billing in NBA history

LeBron James He has bags everywhere The best moral billionaire LeBron James in the league Greatest podcaster in NBA history LeBron James

He did He's been cooking up some heat with JJ Redick Or at least he did A couple years ago Now he's carrying Steve Nash in podcasting game Yeah yeah you're right

His greatest carry jobs In 2018 All up I can keep going I got I don't have any more For Lebron actually You took the fucking cake

God damn I want Kevin for Kevin Durant though Kevin Durant is the greatest liar In the history of the sport Why? Because he told pre-drafts for some reason He told everyone yeah bro I'm like I'm 610 I'm 610 610 6-9 Thought the entirety of his career Up until like people got good with their cameras

And when people actually started like locking in And seeing how he matched up against guys In team USA back in 2016 He's like y'all this motherfucker's biggest Dea Jordan Holy shit he's the same height as DeMarcus cousins He is not 610 he's 7 foot photography advancements exposed Kevin Duran is a liar

You are a big man, accept it Yeah, exactly, buddy I also wrote down Kevin Duran is the greatest three level score Of all time. Easily. Rim, mid-range, three-point combined Probably easily the greatest

three-level score Until She comes for that title A couple of years. Okay. Fair. Amin Thompson is the best M.MA fighter in the league.

Okay. James Johnson is no longer But of all time? Hey, a matter will appease. You better take this back my I might stand on that on the on the short list um great it greatest jumper shading sharp is up there for just jumping okay

shaden sharp map clung oh okay okay okay okay no I think shady sharper is a better jumper than than him not not dunker just jumper yeah just jumper I I think that shading sharp is on the short list of of best jumpers up there does Anthony Edwards have a claim for goat Posterizer? Not just yet. I need to see a little bit more. Well, he's past his prime now.

It's done. The resume is stamped. It's over. But for what he has now, those like six or seven crazy posters, can he compete with Vince Carter? No. If we have a versus top 10 for top 10,

I don't know if Anthony Edwards might be able to push anybody. No, Vince. Vince is kind of different. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Vince is different.

Now, 10 is where we have to start going towards Vince. I think if we had a top five, his top five can go up against anybody's top five. Okay. But once you start, extending it out. Vince has 10 and 15. And the top of the ones is like, Vince is jumping over somebody. Anthony Edwards literally concussed it. So you have those two things going as like band for

band with each other. That's where the, that's where the argument would be. I don't, yeah, I don't know. But 10, 10 is a lot. I got one more. I think I'm speaking ahead of myself right now, but give it maybe a year and a half, two years from now. I'm saying it early. I think Nicole is going to be the greatest foreign of all time. He already is. Better than Hakeem, like all time right now? Oh, yeah, Hakeem, okay. That's what makes it dicey, but I think he will.

You know what? You know what he already is. How about now? How about that? He already is. I think he's going to get to that point. He already is. See?

I started and you finish it. Go ahead and glaze. So Yoke-ish is the greatest offensive big man of all time. He's the greatest passer of all time for his center. He might be the greatest offensive player of all time. He, what else could I say? He's the best Eastern European player of all time That goes without saying

He's the best I say this would love Fat player of all time He's the best wide NBA player of all time I don't think that's close He smokes Barclay No Shaq I think he's fatter than Shaq

When Shaq got fat he wasn't good Yokic is at his peak when he's fat I think the fact that Shaq was in his prime And they were saying You're coming into camp out of shape He had a lot more muscle though He wasn't spiritually as fat as Yokch Yeah, Yochukch is more like, he has no muscle density.

He really has no muscle. But I don't think that that's not, that's different than fat though. No, it's not. Yes, it is. I think having more muscle makes you inversely less fat. Spiritually. Like, you know, for what a fat player is. I know, I know what you're saying.

Like, just physics. Like, if you gain that much weight, like, he's not 500 pounds. Who would have more body fat if they were to do like a Dexas? Yonkis, duh. It would be yokeet. So I guess by that definition, he's fat. Listen, I have no idea. I have no idea with the numbers.

The numbers, Shai would have pulled. He has, like, I mean, Shag was like 600 pounds. Damn, six. What else? I'm not. Are we going to say this? What?

Is Victor Woman Yama the greatest shot blocker of all time? We're on that path. It's early, and I'm ready to say it. Like, not defensive player or anything. Like, obviously, like, a King of Duncan have, like, the post defense. They're more mature, better IQ. Just blocking shots, getting your hand on the ball.

He adjusting for era? If he played in the 90s and everybody was packing the paint trying to do contested layups he'd average nine a game adjusting for error and because this is just based off of any type of like history that you he probably has bill russell beat but like we have to see because they weren't like keeping that stat but that's probably like one and two yeah it's him and bill russell players pre 2010 had so much easier of a job blocking shots especially pre 2000 they were just feeding you block opportunities nonstop yeah 90s basketball was four guys in the paint everybody trying to shoot over them like

It truly was for the pickings. Mark Eaton had the easiest block of his life comparatively. Why are you saying he's a fraud? No, I'm saying if Wemby was there, he would double Mark Eden. Oh, speaking of frauds, I got the greatest,

literally greatest fraud, felony, convict of all time. Glenn, Big Baby Davis. There's no one who's in the NBA history who's ever had the most successful career. Has he been indicted just yet? And also, I think Glenn Davis

has like a more respectable career too. Okay, this is a different conversation I don't want to get into because some other guys are gone indicted as of weight that we were not going to talk about. That's fair. Jeremy McCain, obviously, greatest ticotker of all time.

Oh, without a doubt. Getting the belt. Yeah, he got it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. CP3, greatest lop-door of all time? Ooh. That's... Luke might be up there.

I think that's fair. I think that's fair. I'm thinking about James Hardin as well. Yeah, I'm following that. I think, see, he... For what he started and how he popularized that, yeah, he got it. I'll go one thing.

further. My last one. Luca Donchich. Greatest pick and roll ball handler of all time. Okay. All right. You know what?

Better than Hardin? Yep. He has a mid-range game. That is true. He does have more counters than Hardin. He has more versatile passing, too. He jumps over people. He gets double team, jumps over them,

and throws a skip pass to the corner. So I'm starting to think that his passes are a little bit overrated because he literally just, like, the game plan is for you just always be there. I'm going to throw in the exact same spot every time. This is a new thing where these teams now are trying to do this whole thing, let him score. Don't let the Twitter people convince you.

Don't let the OKC fans convince you that he's overrated as a passer. I think he is a little bit overrated as a passer. No, it's just don't let him do it now because he's that great. It's like Rudy Govarez and block shots anymore. It sounds like that. They don't even try. I think how he gets to the passes, he's the greatest at. Yeah.

Like those angles that he hits and how we can torts his body and whatnot and he genuinely has like no idea where he's at. He's just so good of the passer. They don't even let him. They don't even let him run drop coverage because it'll be a lob every time. All right. I have a question because I had a category that I,

I knew that it's somebody from this era, but I just couldn't nail down somebody. Greatest player of all time highlights only. And I'm thinking, I'm thinking role player, right? Because obviously, like, great players can do whatever. But it has to be in this era because the role players just have so much more leeway. and they are, like, they have more skills and can do more things.

So that is, that's, that's the category. Like, I know Payton Pritcher highlight tape, disgusted. Yeah. Right? Because he's taking, he's taking shots from half court. And it's like multiple heaves. Yeah. If you put his half court heaves and in the three point shots that he's been getting on,

it looks like 2016 Steph Curry. Yeah. I don't know about that one. I haven't thought about that. That's hard. I would say there's a moment in time. And if you watch a montage, somewhere over there on YouTube. you would see five minutes of Cam Reddish

some of his Laker practice highlights specifically not on the court, not no official game, but practice highlights. And also some highlights of him when he was on a Hawks, you'd be like, whoa, like this guy's easily like top 15 in his position, bare minimum. Yeah, not even close. I will say highlights only,

yeah, highlights only Mitchell Robinson is the greatest shot blocker of all time. Okay, okay, the best versions of him? Yes. those 17 minutes that he can play before he runs out of breath he got that next thing we're going to do

who is the most misunderstood player in the NBA at every single position so it can be misunderstood in terms of their game misunderstood in terms of personality standing in the league whatever it means it's probably different for every person point guard through center to the most misunderstood players I think point guard

could it maybe I'm speaking too soon It could be John Morant. I think we understand him just fine. I think the book is written. What's misunderstood about John? He needs his big. He needs his seven-footer right alongside him. He hasn't had that.

And that's why he's always bad. He has been bad this entire team because of that. I think we know John Moran just fine. I think the book is written and we get it. He might have told us who he is. Yeah, I think he's been very up from with us. We'll see. Honestly,

after watching a couple episodes, James Hardin might have been For most most mis- You have that Netflix series move you? I don't know You just saw you saw it You understand the vision of why people like You know what he said

And damn I've been a hated this whole time Maybe he's a chill dude Basically And as as somebody who Who hates on him a lot I was like uh you know He's kind of cool He's right

But then I go and I watch like a game seven Highlights him out Oh dang like this is point guard Is Bobby Shea that just put this in every conversation the fact that people still think as a free throw merchant bum can't do anything

hate on for every reason it might still be Shea but I'm okay going hard Yeah maybe it's hard at this point Maybe it's Shay Listen

Let's piss people off It's Shay I don't know I'll almost go like Deer and Fox before Shea Why is Deer and Fox misunderstood he's been on the he's been like cursed to be on the Sacramento Kings this entire time

people fucking hate him the second that they see Dylan Harper open they're like oh yep trade this guy the second lady got his contract and sent him yep overpaid terrible contract is it daris garland no I think we should open the door for growth from donovan and give it to James Hardin just because he's accepted his hater ways or maybe flawed yeah this is more about him mind jo I'm gonna still hate him over tartar okay he's misunderstood put him after but I see the vision of why no we understand this motherfucker just fine shooting guard Yeah. Who's misunderstood at the shooting guard position?

Could it be Jalen Brown? Or we won't put him at the 3. No, he's just hurt last year. Not a bad year. Now he's having a good one. No, but like last year or the entire of his career, people were saying, this guy could be leading the offense. He's like the best part of this team.

You won finals MVP. Everyone's like, ah, about it. Now he's over here leading a team to the number two seed in the Eastern Conference. I don't see what I'm going to do. I'll say maybe it is Desmond Bain. Why? Maybe there's something internally that we don't know what Desmond Bay. He's a monster?

He's lashing out. That just lets him, that just, yeah, something happens to him or something that he's going through that leads him to do these things on the court. Like that we just don't know. Maybe Desmond Van is there. Maybe Zach Levine could be on the, on this list. Those are, those are. Zach Levine does not pull on this list. Hell not.

I'm just saying. Bro, he got Kings fan thrown out of their fucking seats. Hell not. He can't be there. he can't be there I think we can go Desmond Bain I like that pick Why are you throwing balls

Noi? We don't know We don't know so we currently misunderstand Yeah why are you Why are you ripping people Out of the air You have no idea Small forward Oh this is Dylan Brooks

Easily There's not a conversation Right People think he's an asshole People think Why did his team say You can't come back Under any circumstance

Because that team was stupid This man's a culture setter Everywhere he goes They thrive Yes everywhere he goes He ignites a fire He makes everyone play hard Not only him

And guess what He had this game All along Folks over there in Memphis said you shoot too much. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, brother. He needs to shoot even more.

What I'm talking about? Misunderstood. This is not here all the long. I promise you if he was scoring 22 in 2023, they would have beat the war. They never allowed him to, bro. That was Jaws game. That was Darren Jackson Jr.'s show.

Come on now. Power forward. My bad. Politics. My bad. Power forward. Power forward. Man.

In terms of like all time standing, I think it's probably Dramong Green, but we don't got to go with him for now. Yeah, he doesn't He shouldn't be honest Julius Randall Is it deserves a nod There you go

Captain Julius Randall Got slandered a lot For reasons that Maybe are no longer accurate Yeah Paolo Hell not Scotty Barnes

Hell not I don't even know I just need to say hell not I did Who's a miss Is Janus misunderstood because people think he's so loyal But he's trying to backdoor himself

people don't see the real yannis you know what i am dying to put this agenda anytime i get so yes yannis is fake loyal yes everyone's oh shams keeps going to the media making up these trade rumors no yonis is telling him things and telling you another

he doesn't want you to think he wants a trade but he does he's trying to play it bold ways don't get fooled don't get fooled he wants to be in new york bad i was fooled by yonison he made me like completely misunderstand how scalable he was alongside other star players. He could not play with Damila, bro.

He's fooled all of us. Maybe at the four, maybe it's Michael Porter, Jr. Oh. I don't know. For his basketball play and basketball work. Okay, you saved yourself. That's the Spider-Man meme with the train wreck. What do you mean he's misunderstood?

Center. Who's most misunderstood center in the league? Stephen Adams. His career was literally dying, bro. the last few years. That's that Shed Hongren. Oh. You go on average Instagram comments and they're going to be like...

It's the whole thunder. Soft as fuck. Bitch. They're going to just be mean and say you can't play too skinny. The whole time is going to win DPOI. I don't know. The average NBA fan, go ask your uncle what do you think is about Chad Hongren. Yeah.

Your uncle's going to say give that guy and insure. This guy needs to eat some protein. I mean, it will help if he had insured still. That's not missing or anything. Like, that's facts. I think it's even $40 billion. Like, yeah, it probably would hope. Like, there's a reason why the Memphis

Chris were like mad elite back in 2022, 2020, 23. He's there. He's a part of so many like random quality team and star point guards. We all know that. But then like he got booted out

from his role and not a lot of people knew that. I just think you knew that but not a lot of people knew that. You're talking about Stephen Adams though. Oh, him too. Steve Adams got hurt. Everyone knows he's the toughest man in the world.

I saw him at an airport one time. Steve and Adam. Huge dude. Really? Yeah, it's ridiculous. What are the centers misunderstood then? all of them are pretty much like jalen during uh in some in some interview recently he talked about how during the summer him and kate and the bunch of the business guys went

on some like cabin trip he said it changed his life bro he said kate help him finally get it and understand it was on the ayahuasca and then the iawasca oh no maybe maybe it may be jillandir me i mean ruddy go bear oh it's rudy oh it's Rudy we found him we found him he's completely misunderstood oh my god Yeah, it's Rudy. That is the things he deserves hate for. Absolutely. Don't check his Instagram stories.

But as a player, totally misunderstood. That man has the worst hands of all time. No, he doesn't. There's definitely worse hands. He has terrible hands. I've seen Thanassas play. He's not a real player. He's around for like, you know.

If we filter out for 25 minutes a game, he has the one of the air. He doesn't show up. The NBA history. Okay. Next thing. So about Kyrie Irving. Talk about Kyrie ripping stands How they talk about him

Common we refer to Most Unstoppable Player in NBA history Most skilled player Most skilled player in NBA history I can name five NBA players More unguardable than Kyrie And this is all time Yes

All time I could I could double you up on that Fuck that I could do more to that I could name 15 players more unstoppable in Kyrie 15 easy I got 20

I can name 25 players More unguarded than Kyrie 25 players more unguardable than Kyrie 25 years more I could hit 25 easy 25 players more unguarded than Kyrie Irving I can name 23

easy well that's the less than I said you said 25 I thought you said you said 25 not only did I say 25 you were beating me like four times wow I'm tripping that was such an uck moment

holy fuck I swear I thought you said like another number that's crazy I can definitely do less that's hilarious right unk is tripping I definitely do I need some help man

I am unc now that is officially my first uncle oh my god that's crazy wait till you watch this back what the fuck I'm already running it back on my head you sat still and fuck 25 like four times I'll give you 27

no do you 27 no I'm gonna give him 27 just because he went two downs I'll pick two of I think I can go 30. 30, okay. Name 30 players more unguardable to Kyrie.

You got 30 players. 30 players. All right. Lokey, I can do 35. You got 35. You got 35? You got 35. You got 35?

You said the number. You said the number is on you now. All right, fuck. Okay. Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Michael Jordan, Shaq, Nicole Yokitch, Shea Gildes Alexander.

I know that one's to piss you blow off. Shea Gildes Alexander. Okay. Janice, Luca Donchich. okay fair do i want to say i don't know piss people off am i going to go jalen brunson it's up to use your list yeah that's fair i'll save that i'll save that i'll say that so that's why am i nine now more unguardable is a phrase will chamberlain okay nobody can guard will back in the day okay uh krammedul jabar yeah hakeem elijah one okay tim duncan no one's

guard that hook shot no one's guarding that banker mm-hmm magic johnson naturally larry bird yes was that 15 yep I'm struggling to keep count I'm trying to think while I keep on at the same time. Okay. Half way there. Say the other baldy.

I said 35, right? Okay. Yes. The only thing now is I'm Blakin on players. So I'm trying to look at you. You got the other Baldy who played here, I think.

I don't know if you said him. Yeah. Who played here? I already said Jordan. You did? Yeah. I said Jordan up top. Okay.

Okay. Okay. You threw out like Baldy. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm at 15 now.

I said Kevin Durant did. There's so many names. I got to keep track of more. okay Joel and Bede at his prime way more unguarable than Kyrie

you're right okay that's 16 I said Shaq I said Hakim I said you know what I'm gonna do right now

playoff numbers Jalen Brunson okay I'm gonna say Jalen Brunson okay Kyrie has never reached the level

Brunson has had in the playoffs Brunson has a deeper history so that's fine I said Yannas already I'm gonna go

Damian Lillard he's better all time yeah I'm gonna go overall yeah I think 2023 Damian Lillard is better than any version of Kyrie. Okay.

Okay. I already said Luca. Oh, James Hardin. I didn't say James Harder at all. Easy. That's 19. Okay. Who else did I miss?

Kauai Leonard. 2019 Kauai, that's 20. Ungarable, nobody who stopped most mid-range jumpers. Okay. Are you questioning that one? No, I can't. That peak was ridiculous. I'm questioning it, but it will, it will fly.

Continue. Okay. You got 20. You got 15 more. Okay, 15 more. Mm-hmm. I got to pull out the old heads. Yeah.

I got to pull out the old motherfuckers. Oscar Robertson, nobody was stopping him backing people down. You know your sailor for that one. Nobody was stopping him. He's losing. Charles Barkley, they didn't have the five second behind the back. He was backing people down for 20 seconds. Nobody could stop it.

Okay. Okay. David Robinson, nobody was stopping that muscle. You got that. I'll let you slide for a second. I can't say Patrick Ewing. Can I? Is that shameless?

That's shameless. I want to say Patrick Ewing. Is it? It is. Yeah, it's unguardable, yeah. Okay. Oh, 2020, Anthony Davis, more unguardedable. Nobody can stop him.

He stowed his handle because you should shoot. Okay. Easily picking him. Clippers. It's hard because I can't say passive, right? I got to focus on scores. Yeah. So I can't say that Chris Paul.

Yeah, no. No, not, yeah, that's not the spirit of Ungarned. Okay, I got to get the spirit of the award. Julius Irving. Nobody in 1979 can run with him. You got it. No one can argue that. That's 25?

You're limping to the finish line right now, by the way. I'm going to get there. Victor Wenbanyama, currently more ungodable than Kyrie ever was. I think this might be the first fail. What? Victor Wenbanyama. Victor Wenba. Yeah, I don't.

That's shaky right there. Okay, okay. That's shaky right there. Okay. Is there any arbiter for Anthony Edwards? No. No? No.

Just feeling that one out. I'm not sure. Yeah. Let me keep going back to the Yonks. Let me keep cheating. Thomas in the 1980s more unguarded than Kyrie Irving. You got it. That's so facts.

Okay. Who was stopping 2017, Russell Westbrook? I'm the wrong person I thought too. We can't let that fly. What do you mean? We can't let that fly. It can vary much. Not from him.

Kawai, because he don't believe it? Yes, because I believe it right now. I don't give a fuck. He does not believe. I believe whatever I need to believe to hit 35. No. He does not believe that. Russell's jumper was fully working back then grabbing,

rebounding and all the clubs. He does not believe this. He is lost. Unguardable. That's 27? I think so. Fine. Don't count that.

Dirk. Almost forgot. Dirk is way more unstoppable. Okay. Kevin Garnett in his prime, more unstoppable. They're going to hate you. 29. Hate me.

Go for it. Yeah. That's 29. Oh, Dwayne Wade. Easy. There you go. 30. I was forgot.

Jerry West, 31. Jerry West 31. There's like three guys are the same mold that you have not touch yet. A mole that haven't touched? Yeah. I wonder if I'm forgetting For the same mold Of the same mold of Jerry West's mold

No no no Of just three guys in a specific mold Does that say yonis? I did I think Yeah I think okay Okay But but you haven't you haven't You haven't touched any one of them yet

What's the most? 35 players crazy I'm gonna 31 now I'm gonna help you Yeah Mello T-Mack Paul George Oh I'm not even Paul George

I think Kyrie's more unguarable than Paul George Hey well wait We'll go T-Mack Paul George Kyrie never was an MVP combos Yeah, this is unguardable. This force. He was unguarable for that one year.

That was because the defense says, MVP gonvose. If you, I'm trying to help you out. I don't need the help. Yeah, right, right. 32, I'll take T-Mack. I'll do that one.

I won't go Paul George. I'll give Kyrie more and guardable than that, but we'll go T-Mack. That gives me 32. Okay. You're going to Melo? Yes.

You're so safe. He has to stop this. He's just lying. 33, we got Carmelo, Anthony. He looked me dead in my face and he lied to me. He was crazy. He never said those worst of you ever in his life. No, you don't.

He's a psychopath. No, you don't. Oh, my God. Yalming. Could not be stopped before you injured. Wrap that up. Wrap it up. I'm sorry, but this is valid.

Is this even crazy? Yes. This is three times. Unguardedable? Yes. This is three times that you have said a name that either one, you don't believe in or two is just wrong. I don't know if that's wrong. He said it like, when he was, I don't know if that's wrong.

I don't think it's wrong at all. I don't think that's crazy. Like when y'all, what are you doing to stop yamine? Like with carrie, you can try to have answers. See, I'm going to do my work early. I'm going to meet him back. Okay, fine. I won't take Yal Ming.

I won't take him then. Come on, man. Fine. George Gervyn, more unstoppable. There we go. Alex English, more unstoppable. Do you see AI? Alan Iverson, more unstoppable.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. He limped to the finish line, but he kind of got there. Pete Marevich, more unstoppable. Bistol beat. Come on, brother.

We got to have shame out here. Do we respect every era in history? Do we respect as a podcast every era? Sometimes. Bob Petit, more unstoppable. Right now is not the time. John Havlecheck. We are limping.

Kevin McHale in the post. I think you're at 35. I'm just going to love the game. He's a lot of the game. He's aiding for free now. The game is over, man. We can get paid no more. I got the 40.

Last thing we're going to do You mentioned earlier Jalen Brown is having a great year We're going to play the five-level game With Jailen Brown To see how good you think he currently is right now He's hooping his ass I was going to be tough

He's playing great So I'm going to name five NBA players Across a variety of positions You tell me who you think is better at basketball Okay Level 1, Trey Young Jalen Brown easy This is not a conversation

I'm sorry man It's not a combo at all I think Trey was better than Jalen Brown for one singular year in this career. But outside of that, I ain't never been in a conversation. Okay. Austin Reeves. I'm taking Jainlin Brown. Both great second options, different reasons.

We've seen Jalen Brown be a successful second option already. Vennel was MVP. It's J.B. Better Defender. It's J.B. Better slasher. It's J.B. No argument for my guy.

Nah, not yet. Not yet. Alper and Shangoon. Oh, it's J.B. Easy. This is actually kind of hard. You guys are thinking about it. This is kind of hard.

I really respect what Sanguon has done this year. And I feel like him also being, obviously he's alongside Katie, but him being the score and the passive that he is, kind of, it wouldn't be crazy to me if we went to Sengu to him. No, it's close. No, it's close for a reason. Yeah, it's close. But I still think I'll give it to Jalen Brown at the end of day

because he is like the ultimatum on the defense side always every single time. Sanguon still has parts of it. offensive game that he's still trying to work and figure out on. Jalen Brown is complete as is. I would complete is probably the wrong word, but I see what you're saying. But okay, we'll go with Jinnon Brown. Yeah. Okay.

I should have switched this. I was going to say this name. I was going to say Palo van Garo, but I don't want to put it below shit good anymore. Yeah. I can't. All right. Let's go to level five. Okay, I'll switch a level four up.

Yeah. Level four. Evan Mowley. Playing how he's playing this year. I'm taking Jailen Brown. Evan Mobis. Last year, we would have said Evan Mowley is on pace to be so much better. Is this more about.

Jaylon Brown having a great year or Evan Moby disappointing? A little bit of both. Both. Both. They're both converging on the different paths. Yeah, exactly. Evan Moby has a damning nickname of 18 and 8. Since what was being good, bad. That's making sense. Yeah, Jalen Brown is having a better year as a first

option than Evan Moby was ever going to have and we've seen him win a championship as a second option. Evan Moby should pass him back up. But right now Jalen Brown's got that chain. Yeah. Yeah. He's averaging a damn 30, right? Crazy. Straight mid-range buckets. Yeah. Level five, Jason Tatum last year.

has jaylon brown proven to be the better one option has it proven that you should give him the ball more than jason streets of boston some people might say yeah some certain talk radio house will probably say that and they're damn wrong it's never been true a day in his life and never will be i fear he's good for what he is but he's not the playmaker he is so very far away from he's been better but that there's different levels of playmaking yeah jason tatum every year is in pencil before the season first team all NBA and even as great as jane and brown has been playing he's not first team right now well actually look he depending on who's heard and how that goes he'll be in some some way he's all NBA for sure yeah he he that's like stamped for me right now is minimum 13

all NBA okay I think if I saw like a playmaking leap and also like him being not he's not a bad rebounder at all but like doubling down on that strength too then we can have a conversation but jane or jason tame is already still better than all that as well too yeah I mean average in 30 and then saying like Yeah, get like a couple more rebounds and be a better playmaker. You're asking him to be 38 and 7. Yeah. That's just brawn. Yeah, he can't, he can't.

Okay, so we go Jason Tatum for the last one. Yeah. And that's the end of this episode. If people are still here, what should they comment? Comment, 23 is more than 25. It's coming to 25. And we'll see y'all next week for our Christmas episode, ranking the top 30 players in the NBA.

Agendas will be pushed. Get ready. Yep. Have decided which ones they'll be pushed. Show. We are here. This is prime ranking. Awesome to be top 10.

Ew!