The Deep 3 Podcast - The NBA Has A Gambling Problem...

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

Reacting to the NBA's newest scandal involving the arrest of Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups! #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Mo's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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RICO. Organized crime. Charges. International mafias. Financial tomfoolery. As you guys see my title, we're here. Before we record the main episode for this week, before we get to reacting to everything's first game, we got to react to some breaking news. Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups have been arrested.

They are in federal custody by the FBI. For two, apparently unrelated, but maybe also kind of related. We don't know for sure. Gambling, scandals. Tare Ruggier for the previously reported scandal where he was doing some Jonté Porta shit, doing some throwing games directly related to basketball, gambling probes. And Chonsie Billups is doing some Gilbert Arena shit, mafia-related, poker game-related scandals.

What was your first reaction to seeing the Fed doing a sweep? Yo, I didn't know the mafia was this relevant, 25, man. Like, they got real life motion still. Whoa. I'm blown. No, facts. If we were doing winners and losers for the first week of the NBA season, Mafia. Yeah.

Mafia culture is back up. Hey, grandpathy, you're smiling like a mug right now, man. They're out here. Because in the press conference, they said that, listen, they've been running this for years. They've arrested multiple people across multiple states. Every mafia apparently had some connection to this. But my first thought was like, yo, the season. Just started two days ago.

Like, we are three days in. There had not been three days of NBA basketball being played, and the head coach for the Portland Trail Blazers is in federal custody. This should not be happening. And it is, it's insane. My first thought was that's why he was running that pick and roll defense two years ago. That's why he was playing those lineups two years ago. That makes all the sense in the world.

I was up here for two years on the show saying, is Chauncey Bullock's a serious coach? Do, is everybody aware that he's been got off over the past two years? Nobody notices, and I saw the headlines and I was like, I understand it now. Then it came out as poker related. It's not actually Terry Rosier timing. So it's not bad.

But that's where my mind went because these two names being connected to this are the funniest names that this could have been. Terry Rozier being a player who got traded to the Miami Heat and has done nothing but been terrible since then, has done nothing but make Heat fans regret giving up a 2027 first-on pick for him. And he's someone who we thought was a genuine, fantastic addition considering all the swings and misses that they made prior year.

years prior. Yeah. So people see that and they're like, I knew his ass was gambling. That makes sense. And then Chauncey Billis was a bad coach for so long. And then now they finally got good the past, I don't know, seven months of the seasons combined into last year into this year. Now this is unfortunate. They're losing that. Much to get into here. Where do y'all want to begin? I mean, okay, so like, we obviously, we have, we just have to go big picture because this is like the, because you have Chauncey Billups. You have, you have, you have Rosier. Damon Jones,

former NBA player was also involved in this. Jonte Porter got a lifetime ban Lee Beasley missed out on a bag because he was the center

of a gambling probe like in the in the two or three years since the NBA has like really, really just like opened up their,

their doors to the gambling sphere. Even now like Vandual is, it's like integrated into league pass to where you can bet on games

and like do do you know do prop vets within games. As they have done this every single year, you are starting to see more and more either reports or allegations or people are actually getting caught up in gambling stuff. And so for the league that has had gambling scandals before, that has always had some type of controversy attached to it, it's like if I'm Adam Silver, this is the worst case scenario. Yeah, especially, obviously people are drawn those connections, right? And it's like, my mind goes to, yes, it's probably not a coincidence that these players are seeing more gambling in their league and maybe do. doing some more activities.

My mind goes to, has this always been happening? And there's more eyeballs now because the bigger awareness, like you're saying, everywhere you look is sports betting. Maybe more people are thinking about sports betting looking at this. Because everything we're seeing about these things sounds like stuff that maybe NBA players or athletes have been doing for a long time across history that made people just now noticing. Yeah, for sure. I 110% agree with you.

Bro, one thing that my mind goes to, I don't know why I think like this, Maybe it's just like my definitive purpose on earth, which is defend Michael LeBron James, but if Michael Jordan was in the lead today, he would not survive this pirate because of this type of shit right here. He would 110% be participating in this. Allegedly. Chanty Belos and Rozier have in place on leave

indefinitely from their respective teams. So they said, you're going to be out of here while we figure this out. Tiago Splitter, new interim head coach of the Trailblazers. That's a fun, mad loop to see. But yeah, obviously, the discourse goes to you got what you asked for, right, with

the gambling stuff, that you wanted to have this influx of money. This is kind of just where sports media is, where the sports landscape is. I said media, not even that, where sports is, right? The next wave of making these teams more and more profitable, which is the MO of any organized business in America and any capital societies, continue to

become more and more profitable, make the salaries go up, make the profits go up. Betting is the untapped potential that these past five years have been teams tapping into that potential, making that the new era the toothpaste out the tube is the phrasing people always use and it's 100% correct right we're kind of in a never go back from this gambling society it'll always be a part of sports i don't know about y'all every high school friend i have that's like not sports fans the degree we are especially us like

you know it's our living they're just casual sports fans i consume it going watch monday night football all they fucking talk about is sports betting all they talk about is sending their slips in that makes it fun for people that's like the new mode of enjoyment for watching sports this is where we are at it we're at now And this is going to continue to be an ever-present part of, I guess, criminal activity in sports. Yeah. And the interesting part about it and like why. Because like, and like, first of all, we've talked about about gambling before on both on both shows. We talked about like bed set that we're making this and that.

And so like we've done that before, probably still going to do it. Right. Yeah, we're not NBA players. We're for sure. We've done deals of underdog fantasy before. We've done deals with a sleeper before. I'm sure when we're currently in a situation with our contract where we're in a very specific type of circumstances of show that we're like the only sports media show that doesn't need to do a sports book thing. I'm sure that are changed eventually.

So we will be no different that like this is where this is like the main way to be a profitable sports media company now. Yeah. The difference is we're not players. We're not actual coaches who can actually affect the game. When I see someone like Terro's year happen, it's like, okay, like that's been happening over the last, what year, year and a half where he's been investigated. by the NBA bare minimum. But for Chauncey Billups, the actual head coach to be involved with,

not necessarily, it's not yet to where we know the game of basketball, outside of basketball, you're fucking with the integrity of the league just adjacently, you know, because you hold such a, you're held to a higher degree

than anyone else in the NBA society. Yeah, and even though Chauncey Billups thing isn't like the stare at risk thing where he's apparently ruining the integrity of the game, it doesn't help the PR of the game. Exactly. any type of monetary gambling related scandals

at this current time where we're opening these floodgates. But I guess we can go case by case and what we know about both these players and Damon Jones. Terry Rozier allegedly had over 200K delivered to his home after betters cashed in on his unders per the athletic.

$200,000 in cash. This dumb motherfucker had a bag of cash sent to his home address that he legally resides in. This is a stupid criminal. They should have left this ass in Charlotte. This is a stupid criminal. This isn't even just that he's bad.

He's dumb and bad. on March 23 Rozier while playing for the Hornets Let others close to him know That he planned to leave early with an injury Associates bet more than 200 K in Rozier's under And winnings were delivered to Roseer's home The indictment alleges

To his home Also, and this is the This is the frustrating part about a lot of this If you are not LeBron James, Steph Curry You are not the best players in the world Do you not think That it's going to be suspicious when on a random day,

$15 million comes in on your under. Like, bro, you're Terry Rozier, you're a good player. You are very valuable, right? Especially whenever you are at your peak. But you're trying to run these games every single day. It's like, all right, you know, we get two slips for a Terry Rozier under. Nobody likes to bet unders in the first place, right? If anybody's going to bet on Terry Rozier, it's going to be an over.

And so randomly, you just get this crazy spike because you and your homies are putting in, you know, millions of dollars. That's insane. Do you think they investigated at Calcusba at the end of last year when he was so god-awful, everybody kept betting his under's? They'll investigate him now. Genuine question. I'm like the most nubious out of us all when it comes to betting.

Who creates these like props and these slips? Is it just like a collective thing that a few people initially start and or just like random things that people place down and as time goes on and catches like a big wave and that's like the proper bed of the day? Are these created? So when you say like like who makes the odds? Who makes, yeah, like, who makes, like, the standards? There's individual sports books, right?

There's Fanduller, Draft Kings, there's fucking Rainbett if you want to get into the shady ones. There's a million places. Oh, you're in the gutter? What the fuck? Are you not on Twitter? You never seen this shit? They spam that on every single thing.

Oh, Rainbet, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. Listen, if you've seen any streamer online that takes that, whatever. Yeah, yeah. They all have, like, their individual lines, right? And they have their own individual in-house teams that, like, monitor the lines if players go out, they change the odds. They kind of have their own in-house people that monitor

illegal activity there. So some of these, like, John T. Porter, I think was on, like, I think it was Fandle. I think he was having his friend sheet on the biggest league partner gambling network that obviously has the most eyeballs and the most security. So that was dumb as hell.

I don't know where this is coming from for the Terry Rozier thing. It was probably any one of these companies. But yeah, it's like that. They pick an app wherever, I'm guessing his fucking friends. They're betting hub of choice. And then they say, I'm going to go take a dive in this game. I'm going to play eight minutes. My foot's going to hurt. So I bet my under is this day.

And it could be any app. It could be us on underdog sports. Like, you know, it could be any single one. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah. So that's what's going on with Terry.

And I think like, and it's, I mean, it's the same thing that happened, you know, that happened with John T. Porter. It's the same thing where, and that one was even crazy because you had like Discord messages like, man, I'm going to do this, you know, on such and such time. I think my eyes hurting. Like, I'm going to sit out. Dumb-ass criminals.

What are they doing? leaving evidence in a discord what do they think is secure brother I'm just so confused like in order to sabotage your actual job like this that must mean you did some big time shit with big time

people who do big time disgusting things when it comes to this real life world that we live in he makes 26 million dollars a year obviously he probably doesn't pocket that in the day because of taxes and all that bare middle he makes like 10 million dollars 11 million dollars a year

off the risk So to gamble for such a, like, minuscule amount tells me that you have to have, like, some insane personal issues that just amounts to an obscene amount of debt. Yeah, you mentioned, I don't even know what's that. I think it's the opposite. You mentioned if you're doing this, you had to be with some, like, big-time individuals and crazy stuff. It's the complete opposite. It is, I think, a lack of self-control and doing it for the love of the game because you think you won't get caught. It is just silly choices that I'm sure he did not think would come to this.

He thought nobody would notice because how could somebody notice that? It's totally believable my foot would hurt, right? I come out of games all the time. Nobody's going to question that. And they overlook the details. They overlook the eyeballs that are on them. Overlooked the eyeballs that are on the NBA, on sports gambling, all this stuff

because they think it's an easy lick to get a quick little bit of change. He said, I'm Terry Rozier. Ain't nobody going to get a fuck. Literally, he thinks it's insignificant and like how can somebody tell? And you know what's crazy? I bet for most of the time,

this happens all the time and they're right. I bet this happens constantly. And they're right, nobody notices. I bet this happened for decades, right? People said, people were saying you let the sports gambling into the NBA you're getting more of this I don't think that's the case I think people are just getting caught now it's a few cases where we're just seeing what's probably always been going on yeah and it's that's that's that's the worst part about it is

that if like I think you're I think you're right I think like obviously gambling is not new I'm sure there have been you know players gambling and venting and doing all this stuff for for years but the integrity of the game that like is such a such a weird like phrase and it's really it's not even the integrity of the game it's the illusion of the integrity of the game you can't have people think that what you're doing is wwe and that it's like scripted entertainment like that that at that point for actual competition then everything else you know goes out the window and so like for the NBA obviously there's mad dollars being put into into the league because of the gambling partners and so obviously you know money talks

and you you know you have to do what you have to do but for adam's over that's the that's the biggest thing for him and for the league is to figure out is there a way that you can make the that you can make the league feel secure in a sense and feel like on a nightly basis you know that that the that the product isn't being compromised and I'm not I'm not sure because even even before all of all of these cases if anything happened people were already saying oh you're money laundering you're you're gambling so like we've been making jokes about it for years and the fact that now. people who are making those jokes have federal cases that they can now back up their jokes with it's probably just like you said the the paces out the out the tube yeah you just you touched a good part that I think is the most important part it is a more than anything I think it is a PR and it is a reputation issue for the league because even if it's true that tier roger jonte Porter these guys are one offset aren't a sign of something bigger right let's say these are just idiots who have no self-restraint and the league isn't responsible for these

idiot millionaires having no self-restraint, right? That's on them. That can be true. It doesn't matter to the average fan. The average fan is going to see a rise in cases and a rise in fandal ads on my TV and be like, oh, well, it's less serious of a product. And that means everything. The reputation of your league, the reputation of your sport, the reputation of your

business organization being the NBA means everything. It's at risk. Yeah, it's at risk. And it's different, especially when you go like across leagues. and I saw somebody somebody had made the joke after the Dodgers made the World Series and they're like, yeah, like, it makes sense

why they had the interpreters, you know, take the fall because this guy's great, but it's hit literally every other, every other league. And even the NFL, like the stars haven't necessarily done it, but you've had people who have, you know, been suspended just for being, you know, just for placing bets in the, in the team facility. And whether or not you think that like,

it's, I don't know, There's some people that might be on the opposite side. And so, like, you remember when Jai was doing the, was doing everything on Instagram live and they're like, he's not really breaking the law. Like, what's really wrong here? You are an NBA player. Like, you obviously live by different rules and you can't be on Instagram live playing around with the, with the gun.

If you play in professional sports, you should not have, you should have never looked up Fandu. Like, if I go in your search history and I see anything draft Kings, Fandul related, that's a problem. Like, it just, you just can't be that close to it when this is the, when this is the product and when lifetime bands are on the, are on the table if you get caught in any way. It's, it's nothing new to the NBA and the commissioners, commissioners, it would be David Stern or Adam Silver to, like, going back to what you said, make sure, maintain

the celestialist feel and try to build up a certain level of respect from the outside world to the league. There's already, like, so many, damning, like, preconceived notions when it comes. to the players and all types of things that's been done in the past and that's why like law must be laid i i agree with you but it makes it so much harder and stick here to what you to what you guys said to make sure these rules are upheld or to even try to like manage and police be a hallmutter to these rules when you got assistant coaches who can possibly go ahead and dangle and put their hands on certain things it's just so much it's so hard to like police

Yep, exactly. And you mentioned assistant coaches. The other part of this that's relating to the product itself, Damon Jones is part of this as well. And he allegedly provided insider information about NBA games to betters. And it's been reported that that insider information was a game in 2023 that they played against the Lakers.

I think he was a Caps coach at the time. And he got word that LeBron was going to miss the game with an ankle injury before it was officially announced. So he lets some people know, hey, LeBron's not going to play tonight. And then they got in, betty, whatever, they decided to bid on because of that, you know, butterfly effect of LeBron not playing.

and then the rest of the world found out the odds was shifted. That is the exact type of thing that somebody inside the doors can do. And maybe he was like, he might defend himself and be like, I was just telling a friend. Oh shit, LeBron's going to come tonight. I was just talking. That's a slippery soap we're in now where every single part of the game from the NBA itself

is affiliated. And also like you can say like, oh, I'm just telling my friend. Well then why did your friend then go put 500,000 on the opposite team? Your friend's an idiot. He set you up. Can you explain that, Mr. Jones? Yeah, exactly. And this is just like the tradeoff when it comes to accepting gambling and making sure it's a part of every single layer of basketball layer of like fucking on the screen you're going to have you're going to have

multiple opportunities to go ahead and do such things and i can definitely envision this being like a yearly routinely cycle where us people all types of concert career at ESPN every single year maybe twice a year are going to be talking about how this new NBA player this new rookie or head coach or whatever it is, are suspended or they're losing their job because of some gambling thing. This is what you have to accept as a part of it. Yeah. And I guess yeah, it'll be a yearly thing,

probably, which is unfortunate. Yeah. But also, it'll be a yearly thing because they're going to be on the shit hard to make sure if this is happening. They're getting them out of here instantly. Because you know, everything we're talking about obviously Adam Sover's aware of this. He's aware of the PR thing. So they're, like you said, law will be late and they will have zero tolerance. So do not expect to see

Terry Rozier in an NBA uniform ever again. Oh, yeah. He's not even good enough to be in. And first of all, you didn't have to worry about that. He was not going to play regardless. He got zero minutes last night, bro. So, and going back to Tonsie Billups, too, like, even if this is the case with him, since it's, like, so tied to Taro's year and apparently, like, they're, obviously Tauncey Billups isn't gambling on games, or least not yet.

That wasn't showcased us just yet. But it was linked back to the same organization or family or whatever it is. Regards needs to say, like, if I'm someone like Adam Silver, you see how people are portraying it, You see how people already want to, like, give the NBA certain tags because of the players and whatever's happened in the past. If I'm Adam Silver, you're not coaching again, like, in this league ever. Like, law has to be laid even harder every single time something happens. That's the only way to scare people. You have to put genuine fear into these people's veins.

Yeah. So the Chaunce Billis won, we can get into that. The terrorism is pretty cut and dry. Don't bet on yourself. Don't bet on the games. You're a player. You're an idiot. The Chonsonisville was interesting because apparently it's not sports betting per se.

It's illegal activity, but not illegal activity relating to sports itself. I think this is a similar situation to what we heard about the Gilbert Arenas thing, where apparently his home was being used to run illegal backdoor poker games where they had like basically untaxed casinos inside someone's house where somebody can make a bunch of money and the government never knows, right? This is a similar thing, but I think they're saying Chauncey Billups was part of it and he was like some of the bait where they can get these big rich guys to come in and have a chance to play poker with celebrities like Chauncey Billups,

like these big names and he was involved there. and not only was he involved in was clearly untaxed poker games that they're using him as bait for they were also cheating in these poker games we got this tweet here details of the rig poker games that Damon Jones and Chauncey Billis were involved in oh Damon Jones is there too

I didn't see that he's everywhere they use x-ray machines built into the tables to read face-down cards contact lenses slash glasses that read pre-marked cards they got the meta-glasses that's crazy

and secret cameras and card trays these motherfuckers are advanced this is now listen you're gonna go out right go out swinging right let me see you put your best foot forward this is this right here is straight out of like a spy movie

yeah they got spy kids glasses here that's yeah so this one's a little more I guess it's a gray area I suppose in the league perspective like obviously like bad don't do that you're you know like you're a public figure don't be partaking in it

morality it's just moral rise it's like so fucking wrong to do but it had nothing to do with us yeah i don't care too much but him ripping the pockets off of these rich guys again these public private games like i don't care that much about that but if you're chauncey billups you have a public facing job you shouldn't be putting your career in jeopardy like this from the league perspective do you ban him just because he's affiliated with anything gambling related yes you have to just just put fear in people's hearts bro genuinely because because you can see why maybe like a pa would like be like well he's not doing anything to the integrity i well one I mean, you're committing felonies.

Yeah, I really don't care. Regardless of what bucket you put it in, this is conduct detrimental to the league. True. So, yes, I can't ban you. And as the commissioner, I will push for that. It's, like, for everything that that you guys said of, like, he's a public figure.

You are the head coach of, there's only 30 of these jobs. And you have one of them. And now you are out here committing felonies. and being tied to literal organized crime and mafia. You cannot be a head coach in this movie. The mafia's crazy. Like, that's crazy. Yeah.

And I think it's a different mafia name than what I saw in the, in the Gilbert arenas, one. Yes. The one in Gilbert arenas, that's the Israeli mob. Yes. The one here is Italian mafia. Yeah, it was like Delanostra or something like that. I forget the name, but it was some Italian name.

All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we got different crime families involved in the NBA. This shit touches everywhere. Different crime. fuck same fucking belt to

ass. That's what's going to happen, bro, at the end of the day. I don't even go fuck if you're like a ball boy. I don't care if you like, just wipe tables down. I don't care if you exchange you full pair of socks and put a back to a locker room. If you scan the tickets at the front door. It doesn't matter. Like, you're associated with the league to a degree.

And if you are doing such things, you're losing your job forever. You know, that's how I would approach if I was Adam's over. That's the best way to do so while trying to maximize the dollars of the league, while also making sure that the year there's a certain level of boundaries that aren't crossed between anyone else yeah i'm the only thing i'm thinking about like i i agree i'm not playing devil's advocate anything

but i'm thinking about that and i think about the fact that miles bridge is just in the league and he had his year-long suspended suspension but they didn't get him out of here so i'm like are we gonna get to a place where they can justify it and just like they justify keeping him in for whatever reasons they did to say like yeah it's bad PR we'll suspend him he'll do his time but if he's not a felon, we can't ban him or whatever, what happens in those situations with this where you're attached to gambling but it's not sports related? Are they going to do some

annoying, backwards bending things to not ban people? Now, that's where it gets really sticky. It shouldn't be sticky at all but we all know what it is at the end of the day. Like, they just give a fuck about the dollars. Yeah, and this affects it more than Miles Bridges does because... Miles Bridges, you can do whatever you want as long as you're

not fucking with money and putting prop bets and literally point shaving. You're morally reprehensible, you're a terrible thing in being but you're nothing to do with gambling so our our sponsors are coming in regardless exactly and that's the NBA that's Adam Silver's NBA that literally is Adam Silver's NBA is that like this is a business now since he came in like him or love him his entire MO has been treating this like a business he's been great for the business of the game yeah not so great for some of the cultural parts of the game you know there's obviously things I hate him for it that's probably

where we're going to get to is it with the moves dollars we're not going to allow it and chancellis my move dollars yeah that's Adam Silver is just about the dollars go I watched a video i think like two weeks ago or something like that where what i'm at adam silver's biggest like accomplishment since he's been in the league is putting jersey sponsors onto the actual jersey patches and time goes on like that so that isn't as like in the the initial impact that it once had in the league isn't as big at all considering just the value of it's just constant influx but like when it comes to adam silver and his main his main like his main like MO, which is maximizing and figuring out certain ways to milk the league.

So he has to protect that at all costs. That's his biggest value to the league at this point. We're not here to watch him like necessarily pop up and rise in NBA for the love of the game. No, it's for the love of the dollars. Yeah. And there's a lot of ways we can trace back to him maximizing dollars. There's the jersey patches. There's everything as a sponsorship now.

The Emirates NBA Cup. There's a million YouTube TV logos on NBA Finals courts. A million jerseys to sell. New jerseys every year because we want to sell them to kids every year. but obviously the betting stuff so that's the league right now and that's not even just an NBA thing like yes that's very representative

of the NBA a lot of stuff is true about the NFL I'm sure it's true that the sports that I follow less closely that's just modern markets

in the USA that's just how capitalism works we're gonna continue to push shareholder value and that's how you do it for the NBA Miami Heat fans are the biggest winners man

got them out here they're gonna get the contract out the books officially got them on here and they can like not they don't have to pay them anymore either I believe oh the day he gets

banned from the league his contract worldwide off the books so until then they're paying them fuck man yeah trailblazers fans might be the biggest losers depending how you feel about chancy billups or depending what happens with him that's really unknown but i guess you're a good momentum you're coming off of a game you almost had a victory in game one now who knows what the future your team looks like yeah that genuinely is a gut punch bro yeah we'll see where everything else goes that's our quick reaction this is ridiculous it's crazy it's obviously it's a step further than the chante porter stuff because it's arrests, the FBI is involved.

I got fucking Cash Patel on my screen talking about the NBA at the day after tip off, which is not a coincidence. It's just, it's a crazy thing for the league. It's damning, man. Another one.

Another one. Yep, yep. So that's our quick reaction to this. I'm sure we talk more about it as a week's go on. We're recording this right now, Thursday morning, right before we record

the main episode you guys see tomorrow in which we'll do an overreaction for every single NBA team's first game. So quick 30 minutes from us today. We'll see y'all for three. hours tomorrow.