The Deep 3 Podcast - The NBA's Winners & Losers Of The Offseason | Ep. 230

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

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Y'all. What up? Tyler Hero got punched in the fucking face. And I can't believe there's no video to me yet. And I can't believe we weren't here to react to it the day it happened. I can't believe I wasn't there at Vegas when it happened. Wow. Also, Hawaii Leonard isn't a Raptor yet.

Now that is the craziest news. The feds are going to do a sweep. It may not ever be. It may not ever be. I once again say, I can't believe we weren't here to react to it when it happened. That news broke Thursday An hour after we upload our episode It's the whole weekend

We were in Las Vegas or Summer League So we're here today to recap All the crazy things that happened Over the last five days Talk about the LeBron pending signing That hasn't happened yet Should be happening any day now Talk about the stuff I just mentioned

I think if you guys are winners and losers Of the NBA offseason It's kind of our last like Free Agency-esque episode Yeah Behind us Yeah everything pretty much I said of course the LeBron thing is impending

But it's pretty much like a cap To the off season Yeah Donovan, you look ugly as fuck. I like what he has on. You know, the orange glasses, showing his brawl like shoulders. He's been to gym a lot.

He has been. He's trying to play coy. He's actually trying to, like, join this, like, look at an athlete competition. Why is he looking at some nonchalant? Look at him. Just cheesing. And you get this guy a swirley.

Give him a nuggy. Fucking nerd. Somebody put this guy in the trash can. Stuff his motherfucker and ass in the locker. But yeah. It's kind of about. last episode of the off season and in part that's because we have the free agency period kind of coming to an end also after today we will be taking a six week break from monday episodes so basically

from the mid-july point through the end of august there won't be a monday episode Thursday episodes will be exactly the same as always you know doing our ranking season stuff doing our off-season episodes you guys have come to know but monday episodes will return around the start of september whenever the training camp era is kind of starting up so we have something to talk about you guys don't need a news base episode in the middle of august we we know what's up there unless they want to talk about, ooh, the most random. No, just didn't talk about it. I was trying to find out some random and people who's important to talk about,

who's could move needles like Zaire William joining the Lakers. But no, everything is over. Yeah, they don't need that Monday episode. They don't. We're good. He's talking about Syriou Williams. We're good. I kind of like the signing.

But yeah, that's the highlight of August 1st. We don't got to do a news episode. You like it? Yeah, yeah, why not? He's a young wing defender. This is why we don't need to do this. Yeah, he's going to force the convos. He asked

I like they're not. I was just curious if he had more than two words to say that was too many. Two words. Good minimum.

That's the two words. So Thursday episodes will be everything you guys come to expect full length offseason yap last Monday of the off season today.

That being said, cue the intro music and let's have that last Monday episode. We're throwing it back. Whoa. That's crazy. He was bragging.

I don't know. He was bragging. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. Crown eaters rejoice. So let's dive straight into the news of the week, and we have to start with the biggest headline that requires our attention,

requires a thorough breakdown of all the details that pertained to the situation. Tyler Hero has been punched in the face by Bam Out of Bio. I think it was, was a Saturday morning? Something like that. Or Friday morning? I think it was Friday morning. Friday morning we get a tweet from one Shams Sharani that says,

Bam out of bio has struck Tyler Hero in Las Vegas. Hell yeah! Internet erupts. Yep. Got the physical altercation in Las Vegas on Friday in which Bam Outta Bio struck Hero. Wow. One of the most surprising series of words I've ever seen. Bam out of bio caught Tyler Hero Liking at the stoplight.

Wow. Crazy shit. $34 million views. And you know what? I feel like every time you're a play. player, like, gets into a fight with another player, especially a former or current teammate. Usually there's, like, some, like, debate on, like, who's that wrong? Is this okay? Whatever? There's at least, like, a conversation. This motherfucker, Bam got unanimous approval rating.

Everyone was like, do it again. In fact, show me the video because I want to relish in this moment. Everyone over all of a sudden is actually actively rooting for a company like TMZ to leak something for fucking once. We're asking for footage. Yes. Because I was made himself unlikeable to many people. And Bam out of biofews, hitting him is just a very funny moment to people and people were like, hell yeah, that's a real star. He wants it bad enough.

Question is, how do we get here? Why is Bamada bion striking Tiley Hero a month after he was traded away from Miami Heat after they were teammates for what was like six seasons? Yeah. Or boarded that. When did Tyler Hero could draft?

In 2019? He got drafted 2019. Seven seasons together as presumably friends and teammates. Why is Bam punching him in his shit? As soon as he gets traded. As soon as he gets traded. And I actually don't know

because like I said, we were in Summer League. It wasn't on my phone. a whole lot. Peace Souls, I ask you to lead the investigation and giving us the background of what happened.

Listen, man, shade room Souls is in the building. Yes, this is your fucking bag. Don't worry about it. Walk me through the situation. Okay, so long story short, KD files part two. With Tyler Hero.

Because apparently some DMs were leaked where he was talking to, guess what? A random person on the internet about team business on a burner. So we got some tweets over here. And these are DMs. What is this?

WhatsApp or something? I don't see. I think this is, Actually, Twitter. That's Twitter? What's up with his background? Maybe you can do custom backgrounds. Maybe it's Android.

I feel like it is Instagram. Because I think this is his burner Instagram account. Okay, so it's probably on Android or something. You can change the background. Whatever. Yeah, something like that. So we'll read the sequence of text here. All right.

First tweet, this is from Tyler Hero right here. It's a motherfucker making $60 million, but they worry about me and what I do. All right. This is him talking to a random heat fan on Twitter, by the way. About BAM, presumably, $60 million. Random heat fan goes, bam a guy, please stop. All right. Why are heat fans so worried about me and what I do,

but I'm not the best player on the team, right? Bam, do his job. Top five defender, 20 and 10. You'll score first. Can't say that word. I need 25 and 10 out to. Out of. You should get paid $60 million to be a top-tier defender on some nights.

I'm just wondering, since we're talking. I think it's because he performs in those playoff runs. Okay, so Tyler Hero is saying Bam is overrated. Shouldn't make $60 million for being a non-bucket getter. Why do I get the hate when I'm not the guy making that 60-mill? Yeah. And he's almost assinguating that he feels like he's the best part of the team. No, not insinuating.

He is saying, I think. Yeah. Is that valid? Does he have a point? No. He's not saying, apparently, he's not saying this, bam. It's the other 60 mil. Yeah, he's just saying, should an elite defender be making 60 million a year?

Answer that. And not just an elite defender. an elite defender on some nights. On some nights. So he's saying that Bands defense is gassed and he doesn't always bring it. If the shoe fits, it fits. Bro, bro, Pam dropped 83. You just say it's damn.

He dropped 83. You can't take that away from Bam. Whether or not the defense's consistent, he did drop 83. Okay. Okay, and then he goes, okay, so why are fans so worried about Tyler and what Tyler does? I could post a pick right now and the fans are going to go crazy. crazy because Bam has shown if he if he with a better player like Jimmy we can get to the finals this guy is really like riding for band by the way as he should because he's got the Tyler

Hero is being a moron and this guy's like I'm not going to let you just get this off he's not going to be a yes man so shout out this guy in the dms is a random heat fan and then Tyler hero just goes off y'all see this you oh this is insane uh what is it brother he has kids what is he doing can you read this off in the same way you think Tyler hero would be saying it with the tone involved if it wasn't text I don't know if I can Yeah, you got to put a blackson on. Yeah. I don't know if I can.

Buddy, if I'm healthy, they can't see me. Word to my mother. Tyler, imagine Ty heard that same. Word of my mother. Brother, you're from Wisconsin. That's what I'm saying. Word to his Wisconsin mother. Wow.

Okay. All right. If I'm healthy, I'm the one who needs help. Who did Cleveland prioritize taking away into playoffs? Who did Boston prioritize taking away when Jimmy got hurt and we was the 18th? When I'm healthy, I need help. Not the other. guy. I don't know who the other guy is who's making 60 mil. Not the other guy though.

Word to my kids. Whoa. Weren't his kids. Come on now. Let's call a spade of spade. Wow. Hey, we're the Tyler Hero's kids. Wow. All right, Tyler Hero. Let's calm down. Okay, so that happened. I'm assuming Bab saw this. He sees him in person. It was reported that they saw each other at Tyler Heroes AAU team's practice. Yes.

These practices happened in Vegas hotels. They have big, like, ballrooms that they lay down flat courts on and they practice inside. It happens a lot. You see with NFMBA teams for Summer League, U teams, I guess, because EYBL was happening in that weekend, too. Bam walks up, sees him, says, I saw those fucking DMs. I wonder what happens. What happens between that moments and then he strikes him, which Ramona Shelburne reported today that apparently he struck Tyler Hero in the chin.

Tyler Hero did not fall, so clearly Bam wasn't like. Bam wanted to knock his ass out. He's big as fuck. He'd knock his ass out. But if you tell Tyler Teiro, he'll be like, I ate that shit. Yeah. Word of my mother. So either Tyler wrote that shit or it was more of a mush than a punch.

And after that, there was a breakup. What do you think happened when you walked in? Like, what kind of conversation has to take place for that before it to reach that level? Honestly, how I envisioned it happening is someone like Tau Hero thought it was pretty much all love and BAM didn't necessarily see that. Because I don't remember it being like a big thing when this, when this text message thread dropped at all. we didn't cover it and I think that's like a bit old maybe like two, three weeks old or whatever and now it's like an even bigger thing obviously

because Bam seen it. So I imagine Ty Hero's assuming that Bam didn't see that shit at all in the minimal conversation like yo my guy just got traded and final finish at his final goodbyes and it's a boom immediately rocked this shit Tyler Hero is damn your concussed just mad confused like yo

Ben Reese what's going on man I thought it was all love and Bam's like oh saw that shit you was talking man fake love I don't do we've been together for seven years. Seven whole years. That's how I imagine the playing out. Yeah, it's probably the first time they've seen each other in those several weeks. And probably the first time that they've talked together, period.

Since the playing tournament, probably. Like, they probably haven't been around each other for a while. And then Bams was at home seeing this shit, he's probably like, when Tyler gets traded, he's probably like, oh, that sucks. He's my brother. And he's probably like, expected to be supportive. And then he gets on his phone and sees Tyler Hero calling him overrated for no reason. Nothing Bam did, the money he made. Nothing took away from Tyler Hero. These are undeserved shots from Tyler who just feels his animosity about fan behavior

And he's taking it out on Bam Yeah Bam probably didn't do a damn thing to him Not at all bro And at this point it just feels like Complete animosity that Tyler Tyler has had throughout his entire career Orban which is pretty much weird as hell

When it comes to Tyler Hero I get yeah like shots at him He's made an all-star I can acknowledge he's a good player And he could elevate a lot of teams in the league But no one in their goddamn life Not even for one second And Millisag would think that Bam would think that Thai Hero could lead your team as a 1A type guy.

And there's been so many cases where we've seen him, let's say, in that fucking Cleveland series where Darry's Garland literally dogwalked him a couple of years ago was easily just capped out because of certain limitation in his bag. And his ability to not necessarily be like a three level score. A consistent score at that point, too. Bam needed you. You look better with Bam, 100% of the time. Y'all both need each other, really. So this hate is just like deep rooted in security And it's just like the smoggingness that everyone's been talking about

For Tyler Hero for at least these last few years Yeah just some additional context Apparently those DMs were from June 13th so a month ago Okay And then there was also this subliminal story that Tyler Hero posted Where he posted the lowest field goal percentage in the mid range And like Bam is right there He's a ho! This one's crazy

Because he posts this on the same burner account's IG story right? Yeah It's just a graphic from Was this the NBA University? Yeah, basketball university. Basketball University. So cool graphic, right? They post these type of things, the highest and lows in different stats.

Just random content just for just for fans. They're like, oh, that's interesting, right? No takeaways really. Just, oh, that's interesting. Most these young players, some washed up stars, some guys that we criticize their shooting. And then bam. See, see, see? I told you who was ass.

I told you he was ass. He needs to be. Bro. Also, Loki Ayana is this two of like, yeah, they're not going to work together. I'll put in these two motherfuckers This is already post the Yonis trade Yeah The Yonis uh

Also Lauerri was a brick this year For the mid-ranger good Lord 28% I didn't even realize I'm madman God damn I said of that the names kind of all makes sense right Shading Sharp don't make sense for real

Because it's like what do you do bruh No other here nor there Makes sense to me But uh I think Westbrook improved A career year So what does this say About the hair's mindset

On top of that To publicly put this out there to just literally throw a shot. What is the reasoning behind this other than like, I guess he's just salty, he got traded? Yeah. I guess he probably views this as you picked Bam over me. Because, like, theoretically in his head,

if he's just as good as Bam, in his head, you could have traded Bam for Yanis. And maybe in his head, that's a better fit that me and Janus would have torched it up together because I can shoot and he can't. Now you put the two non-shooters together. I've always thought I'm just as good as Bam and you made it clear that I am the expendable one.

There was no rumors for a second that Bam is going to be traded. Who put that in his head, though? Himself? It's him in the mirror at night, bro. We're doing like the green goblin. Facts. I could drop 84 if I wanted to.

They gave me the shots if I had the green light. Yeah, that's insane. Is there any part of him as valid in this? I can understand Tyler Hero when it comes to being a better fit, like, day one alongside Janus. Because obviously, like, yeah, Tyler Hero is his spares. And if Yonis was, or if Tyler Hero was on this team as well still, through the sign, we would look at him like a little bit differently because he does. He's one of the better scores in the league.

and he is like a flame throw from three and all that, which is very respectable. But like, yo, I don't know why he's acting brand new as if his name has been thrown in trade rumors consistently for the last like three and a half years. Whether it be for someone like Zach Levine, that's the worst part I've seen people throw your name. Zach Levine, Damien Lillard, literally Pascal Seacum, bro, any time a new star is thrown up on the trade block, they're like, Tyler here on a pick. tie her in three seconds, tie her in one reclamation G-league player. He's been in the, yes, exactly.

So it's like, it's not like, I feel like this has been built up throughout the entirety of like his entire heat tenure for real. Yeah. Ever since at least he got relevant of to be traded. And this is just exposing himself as a person. And I feel like a lot of NBA fans already,

for some reason, felt like he was kind of like this smug guy already and just like exposed himself. And this is why everyone was like kind of happy that it happened. I will say, I think a lot of NBA players are delusional. Definitely. You have to be.

Yeah. And like Moe said, you kind of have to be, especially to be like an all-star level dude. So him thinking he's that guy does not surprise me at all. What just surprises me is why are NBA players so comfortable just talking to random fans about like team business? That is weird for sure. It's like Kevin Rant thing again. But on the other thing you said, every NBA player needs to be delusional. We always say that.

I think what that means is you have to have irrational confidence in yourself, right? You have to have undying belief in yourself, the ability to play poorly, put it behind you because I know I can play best the next game. If you don't have that confidence, it'll seep out into your performance. That's kind of why people say that thing. Being irrationally confident yourself doesn't mean you have to be a douchebag. It doesn't mean you have to be inconsiderate of others and put other people down and be irrationally stupid about your belief in yourself. You can be irration and confident and still know the realities of this world, understand the value of a bam, all these things and kind of like know your place in the league, but still be confident in your ability to like prove the doubt. out of wrong, you don't have to be a moron just because you're a rationally confidence.

Like, I'm very confident in our podcast ability. I'm not going to go to a company and be like, I need $10 million and fire Joe Rogan. I'm not going to be an idiot. You know, like, you don't got to be a moron just because you believe in yourself. That whole idea, anytime somebody shows something that's not aligned with reality, and it's an NBA player's mindset. Now, that's a stupid NBA player's mindset. There are other smart NBA players.

I bet you Cam Johnson has a rational confidence in himself. Cam Johnson is not saying trade Katie to get me. He's not saying I'm better than Jason Tatum or whatever. And it's like if he does, great. I'm sure he might because, again, he's a good NBA player. But he's not dumb enough to go ahead and talk to a random fan through his burner account. And what makes this even worse to is that we literally just saw a guy three months ago get burned again for the same exact thing. You couldn't pull out your little journal.

You couldn't pillow talk to your wife. You couldn't at least go off from a run and just like get the same. Thoughts off, hire a therapist to get it really off, bro. Because it's fair if you, it's okay if you feel like that. Your feelings are your feelings. No one's going to talk about if they're valid or not. But you can feel that way. Exactly.

You can feel wherever you want. You can be as confident as you want is about what you do with those feelings. And it does show poor judgment. It does show lack of emotional maturity. It shows lack of just like respectability as a person, as a man, as a teammate. Like, it just makes you look lesser than to do this. If I'm a convide in a random NBA fan, which, again, I would not. It would have to be Tyler Hero muse.

You know what I'm like? It would have to be a stand of me If I'm gonna confide with someone You talk to this dude First thing he says Yo, not too much on BAMP Red flag right there I'm stopping the conversation

Because you're a Heat fan first Before you're a Tyler Hero fan So I don't know what you're gonna do With this information And again you just need to have The intellectual ability to know that And to say that Let's say this guy

Whatever his name is call him Heat Fan 69 If you feel like he's a guy You want to talk to you right now Because you just mess with him And you're just like a human end of the day You just talk to people right you're an NBA player, but at the day you are a guy and this is another guy and you're just talking.

You can say all these things and express just like an irritation with the situation and how you were thrown aside without feeling need to throw bam under the bus and call him overrated and trash and stuff. That is straight insecurity projection to tear Bam down just because you feel like you were belittled. Also, you're not standing on it too.

Name some names if you're really going to go this way, man. You're like 95% there. It makes you look worse, too. Top 10 defenders, $60 million. Dollar man, who else could that be, bro? All these fuck-ass subs, bro. Just say the name, Brad. And how does it feel better from Bam's side?

Is this? He did punch him. It's real as hell. I don't think I've seen anyone be upset about that stuff for, I guess, I guess, Dremont Green or whatever, but that's like a side conversation. Yeah. But as real as hell, he earned his stripes. Bro, like, I don't think BAM could do any wrong.

If he get, I don't think ever, also, too, I don't think he will get suspended or any fines as well, because I'm sure all the heat guys, Pat Riley, when he see him, dabbing him up immediately. That guy was a bitch. You've been hated him. Rather you than me. Facts. They're all happy as hell.

Yeah, my thing is, is like, if you're going to talk shit, just be ready for the repercussions. If the talking shit gets out, these are the repercussions. We were talking crazy. Band found out about it. Y'all met in person.

It's on site. He belongs in, like, the heat. He was already going to be like pretty much like a Hall of Fame guy or whatever. When it comes to heat culture or whatever and building up, that whole thing that they have, it builds on more to the lure if you ask me.

I heard somebody that you just mentioned that something to say about this. Pat Riley. I heard there's another name out there that threw his hat into the ring to discuss the, I don't know what you call it. The validity of fisticuffs in the NBA.

The other old, crazy old man. Perhaps an expert on the matter who has some experience in this. I heard Dr. Mont Green has some stuff to say about this. What did Dr. Mont Green say in his podcast? It's cool when they do it. It's a problem when I do it. Let me actually read some of this.

I remember what I got into it with Poole. I remember one person when the Jordan Poo incident happened with me who was really, really outspoken about it. And it really bothered me. It was Eudanus Hasum. What do you say, fuck UD for? It was hedonous, man. I saw UD get into it with guys on teams that was younger than him before, a lot Jimmy Butler. Then he came out like, that's ridiculous.

You get into it with your young guy. I would never. I can't believe you did that. What is it? Heat culture or Heatway? Maybe they don't have fights. So when I first saw this, I was like, damn, this is two of UD's. These are two guys that UD raised.

If you raise this young guy in the light of what you were saying about me, and now he's not, and now he punches this other young guy that y'all kind of co-raised, are you going to have that same energy? Reality is, I don't want him to have that same energy because I, I love Bam. That's my brother, my dog, Tiley Hero, who's from Milwaukee, like Jordan Poole, has a lot of bravado as a young guy, probably said some very disrespectful things like Jordan Poole. See, I don't be tripping.

That last time is crazy, by the way. Yeah. Probably said some very disrespectful things like Jordan Poole. To this day, Dream on Green is dying to subliminally say, I had a right to once Jordan Poole. Exactly. Or let me say, I'm right, maybe that's dramatic words I'm putting in his mouth. But I just downplay, downplay the excessiveness of those actions. Because, you know, we've been reiterate this a bunch of times.

Fights do happen in locker rooms and so forth. But there's many reasons we all say Dr. Montgomery went too far, sneaking him, completely punching him in his shit, not just mushing him. Like, it was obviously too much, even if you want to say fights and disrespect happen. The fact that he keeps not only trying to, like, slightly be like, my shit wasn't really that bad. But then throw UD out of the bus for no reason. U.D. is not BAM's keeper. He is not Tyler Hill's keeper.

He doesn't have shit to do with shit in this conversation. He just wanted to throw himself in there for what? No reason. What did UD have to say about this? UD had a lot to say, man. Y'all put him me under the reader bus. I'll do it this time. He has an official on his Twitter.

Eudanus Hasl at This is UD. At Money 2, 3, Green. I see some things just don't change LOL. You was on sucker shit four years ago when you swung on Jordan Pool and you're on sucker shit now. Damn. I usually don't engage,

but since you went so far to left to get my attention, And here it is. If you think your big 32-year-old, three or four rings at the same time, having ass swinging on a 23-year-old Jordan pool at the same is the same, than you are even more delusional than I thought.

First of all, BAM is 28, Tyler is 26. Neither of them got it all figured out yet. Maybe I was giving you too much credit at the time because I thought you did. So that's why I commented. Because I thought you were above punching a young guy. You were not. Second, anyone who knows BAM knows he's strong as a baby bear.

If he would have unloaded on Tyler 100%, It's over. He's like, he would have killed Tyler Hero with his fists. You went light on him. Which is a fair point. Yeah. He probably did like mushroom or slap him.

We're like clearly not a real punch like that. Otherwise it's probably a much bigger story. For sure. You fired off on that young boy like it was a club punch and you never met him before in your life. Which is the real. He's the real state of the matter. He threw up his all, bro. He said, ah, fooey before he punched him.

And it wasn't just. Just like a little thing. He, back, legs forward, hips rotated, punched him through his chin like a boxer. Yes, and actually, too, it was even worse than that because, yo, he threw he was all into his punch when his legs were there, too. He was a falcon punch.

Yes, he jumped for that punch as well. I saw that footage lately. It was so crazy. That was... That was... But again, we would litigated that, whatever. We all know how we feel about the dream on punch thing. Yeah, either here, there.

He's just, you know, feeling indeed to defend himself a little bit. So we got to address it again. Third, yeah, I did go at Jimmy. You damn right. That shit you pull in Golden State and that shit he pulled in Chicago, talking crazy to Hoyberg and disrespecting teammates in practice in Minnesota, will not fly in the 305. So yeah, I checked his ass.

Fair point. Jimmy is known to be disrespectful to his teammates. Wasn't going to let that happen in Miami Heat uniform. Yeah. That's very different from punching Jimmy Butler and his shit. All that UD did was literally say, I'll beat your ass to Jimmy Buller and go on his face. He didn't actually. actually put hands on him at all. And you hear talk like that literally all the time in any

basketball scenario. So I don't know why Jay Mon's acting like this. Call it a heat culture or whatever you want. Before I let one player disrespect Spoe in front of the squad, cut his legs out and disrupt what 15 other guys trying to get accomplished. I'll kick his ass. I owe that to Zoe and Tim and Glenn and the rest of my OGs. I don't really vibe with you. And I think you know that. So unless it's on prime, talking hoops, I won't mention you at all. You brought me into this. and I'm retired and out of the way, I suggest you keep it pushing because I ain't giving you no more

Hall passes, bra. Bras. Personally, I think UD. is a word smith. I think this is an exquisite response. Yo, man, he was in his bag with this. He said he touched on every single aspect, talked about why he actually did it

and how, yo, literally, bam out of bio and Tyler Hero, they're only two years apart. Dremont and Jordan Pool, that's like seven, eight, damn near ten years apart, right? You're unc. Literally.

You are, you should be Jordan Bullskeeper to use the phrasing earlier. Facts. You are not. Yeah. I tell you, man, old people love long responses. They do. Especially old NBA players. Kenyon Martin release a response to something a couple months ago.

It was a 10 minute IG video. Oh, was it about his like, I don't know, like the stuttering thing or whatever he has? Yeah, I think I think so. There's like a flurier beef there. It was that amongst other things. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I think you done has him did a great job addressing this.

I think. I don't really hate Drummond Green. No. But he was so unbelievably in the wrong. He deserved to get told all the things he just got told. They were all true. Like he could have, Dreamon could have reacted to it.

Obviously, regardless of him react, whether, it doesn't matter what he said. People would have been like, oh, this guy's talking because of the whole JP stuff. But him throwing in, you deal with just completely uncalled for.

And it's just like, all right, bro. Like no one's, no one's even talking about that can of worms. You did it to yourself. Yeah. You got him. That was well written.

Yeah. You got him. We need to make sure we keep guys like UD in the league, bro. We have to. So fucking pivotal and important to keep guys in check, bro. And really what we're talking about here, this is media podcaster beef. Yeah.

Jarmone Green is still in the league, obviously. Eudanus is not. This is a podcaster beef. You know how they're always looking for like the next KD or the next LeBron? They have been looking for the next UD. And we haven't really figured that out. The next generation's UD. Who's the next UD?

Who's the next? Who's the guy towards the end of the bench who just like represents culture? There's none right now. They try to predict who is going to be. So it has to be a player who's a role player for a team as there for a long time. It could have been

Isaiah Stewart, but they traded his ass. Could have been Isaiah Stewart. Yeah. Is that level of player who's good and a part of what they do but not their franchise like All Star, you know?

He needs to stick around forever and be a culture setter that is a, a beam of light for the organization and for what the young players to strive to be. It was supposed to be Marcus Smart,

but it could have been Marcus Smart. That could have been him for sure. Who else could it be? Somebody on the Thunder. Kind of Rick Williams is kind of that. Yeah, he's always there, but I don't know if he's necessarily, like, an enforcer in that way. He could be Lou Dort, too. But Nick Collison, low-key, but he's not, like, not around the team enough.

Yeah. And-I. Are you just telling me that UDs is a generational talent in his own right? Low-key. One-on-one. They don't have any other than one like that, bro. Yeah, it's got to be somebody who will lay the law down and is, like, going to be the pillar of their locker room. Jared Vanderbilt.

Shit, it might be Draymo. Jared Vanderbilt. Get the fuck out of here. Jay Van der Bo. I heard Vanderbubut, but I'm like, not it's got to be some other Jared. And then my mom was like, nope, his ass said Vanderbilt. What the fuck are we on him that day? It's going to be Bronny in 20 years.

That'd be tough. Bonnie, the enforcer. That'd be hilarious. I need to see that. Derek White. You're laid the law. Jesus. Jordan McLaughlin right now.

Everyone respect coach. He said, run the lines. Run the lines. She was the threes. What the fuck out of here? Let's get a thousand shots up, guys. Sharp margin, shot margin.

I'll step on you, man. Move. Yeah, I don't really see any other examples around the league right now. Yeah, I think UD's actually one-on-one. There's no comparison for real. At all. They don't make these guys no more. It really might be Jermon, though.

All the truth side, the irony in that is funny, but it really might be Jermont. I guess so. Nah, I don't know. If the Jordan thing had happened then, yeah. Yeah, he does. He does a lot. Maybe he does, he does a lot.

Maybe he does, Jordan right now is one for the Pelicans, but that's kind of nasty work. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, biggest winner of the Bamadabio, Tali Hero situation, Udana's has them. Oh, yeah. For verbally winning over Dremont of Green.

Bamadabio, too. Heat culture. Working in the offseason as well. All of us. For getting the satisfaction of the Tyler Hero news. Also, too, bro, if you're the Milwaukee Bucks, like, it's like, damn. And you're his teammates, too, because all these young guys are obviously like overly online.

It's like, damn, this guy's really my teammate. You know who the Milwaukee Buck's GM is right now? Who? Zach Randolph when he tweeted, I married a ho! Like, this is the leader of your team?

That's the funniest tweets of all time. All caps. I'm married a ho! The Bucks are going to be comedy this season, man. They are them, mate. Apparently, Braden Burry's going to be star He's killing it in summer league So maybe he can be their one hope for the future

Yeah, facts All right, my next news story We got to talk about Winner and Loser throughout Winner Haslam, Hero, loser That'll be the start of this as we Also, by proxy too I guess you don't have to do it as well

But bro, Heroes Kids is a loser as well They said, oh my kids so many times They're a loser as well Yeah, we don't need to write Heroes children on this list But in spirit, putting shit on Actually, that makes Hero bigger loser because he put it on his kids

and now he's put his kids in the position to be losers that's on him. So the two heroes instead of one, potentially. Here I.

Yeah. Here I. Next new story. Again, it broke on Thursday literally like, I think it came to actually the minute the episode hit published,

which is hilarious. It came at the same time at like 2 p.m. on Thursday. The Kauai Leonard trade is not being executed at this moment. It is on hold

until the aspiration investigation is concluded. There was report that they're hoping to conclude that investigation early this week. Today's Tuesday. maybe it concludes today, right?

But a long giant's high raid from Shams explaining that basically the Raptors do not want to have the possibility that Kuala Lader gets his contract completely waived because the aspiration investigation finds wrongdoing. If that were the case and his contract were to be tossed in the trash can say this is all gone, that means the Raptors will have traded for a player that can no longer be on their team because they were informed by the league that if that were to happen, they would have to deal with that. Now the trade is waiting to be executed until they say that nothing. thing wrong has happened, or unless something wrong does happen and the trade just doesn't happen

at all. That's insane, bro. Quite, quite, quite the developments. We were under the assumption that the straight happening meant that nothing was going to happen as far as Kauai goes, that if the league did fine, there was wrongdoing on the aspiration front, it would just go towards the clippers, they could dock draft picks, whatever, would have nothing to do with Kauai Leonard's current situation. To me, the takeaway from this is they clearly have informed these teams that there's a possibility

that Kauai's contract gets wiped off the books, that that is like a possible thing that's in the air. And the Raptors just said, whether or not it happens or not possible could mean likely, could mean unlikely. We don't want to have the chance that that happens. We go up assets for a guy who's now a free agent. Fuck, bro. The vibes were good in Toronto too, ma'am. They were. Co-I was at Kyle Lowry's retirement thing. He's been letting the hair all out again too. Yeah. Looked happy as hell. Hanging out with Drake. Facts. We were glazing the Raptors saying this is a great moment for them. Yeah. Yeah, bro. This is a great moment for them. Yeah. Yeah, bro. This

like changes pretty much everything. We were saying how this is a great moment for them. But also someone like me specifically, I was like, yo, I legit look at you guys as a contender next year because, yo, we saw what Scottie Barnes is able to do as like a 1A type guy. And it was very promising. And imagine he takes more steps with someone like a Kawhi Linder who, of course, has dicey health overall. But with Kawhi Linder, assume like Emmanuel quickly is healthy next year, who's going to

stop me from saying these guys can't make the Eastern Conference finals next year? No one. because it's a real possibility. Certainly real possibility. And, you know, this report doesn't mean they're not getting Kauai. So it's still on the table. In fact, I would probably say it's more likely they still get Kauai than not. I would imagine that this happening the way it is, like I said,

makes it clear that there's a possibility Kauai's contract gets voided as a part of all this. I also have to assume that's like, not like a, not one of the most likely outcomes. Just because it's possible and they're waiting at a precaution. I would still assume that just understanding precedent of what happened here, knowing what's on the table, knowing that there's probably not a smoking gun, as reporters have said, otherwise it would have been done by now.

I imagine this ends in the clippers getting some kind of slap on the wrist or whatever. Yeah. But I don't think it's likely, it ends up a Kauaigan's contract voided. So yeah, I think I would guess out of not knowing shit about shit, just assuming,

I would guess he's still a Raptor, but not great to have to still deal with this and wrap up your whole off season and have it be looming over you because you can't make certain moves now that maybe you would have made because you're so waiting for this to be executed. Yeah.

Yeah, this absolutely sucks on all fronts. And then for the Clippers, one thing I will say is I do hope they at least get like draft picks taken away. And that's something that we've seen in semi-recent history, not to this scale, obviously. But if I remember correctly, I think the Bucks and the Sons got their like second round draft picks taken away and maybe like a random back into the like first round taking away as well for the Bucks specifically.

And we see that happen. We've seen it happen before. And for the Clippers, that would suck because these guys already made a fucked up trade years ago, of course, that we all know of when it comes so Casey and they're just now later in the 23s are going to establish themselves again when it comes to capital front to get that taken away. That sucks, but you 100% deserve that. As for Kauai, what is like avoiding his contract to actually look like?

That just means like he can't play in the league anymore or what? Well, I suppose they could ban him if they wanted to. That's a different thing. I'd be shocked personally if they banned Kauai Lenners. No. Forced his assent to retirement, at least from the NBA? No, I'd be shocked. If it did come out that he did that shit,

I wouldn't be mad. I'd have to respect it on some front. They're standing on 10 toes, kind of like the gambling thing. We're like, we think gambling is unacceptable. You can't play in this league right now. If they just said caps of convention

is unacceptable and we're not standing on this at all. And we said, you have a two-year ban from the league. I wouldn't be happy because I want to see Kauilandar play. But I'm like, okay, NBA. Standing on something. Yeah. Okay.

Now, do I think that's going to happen? Fuck no. I think if they did void his contract, it would mean, I think he's one year left on his deal. you, that is wiped off the books. That $40 million you owed, you will not get that. You are now an unrestricted free agent.

You can do what you want, but good luck finding that $40 million. And if you do, okay, that's more power to you. It's an open market for a reason. No one has $40 million right now. And if he still wants to go to the Raptors, it would have to be a sign and trade, right? Just sign and trade or like sign for dirt cheap. So it would be a tough situation for him. I think that would be much more about that we had to set the precedent that we don't really care if you made $40 million next year.

It's not a punishment in that way. But this trade, this contract that you signed was, was under shady precedent. And we just can't let that happen. So it has to do whatever we can off the books. I don't imagine if they can pay the money back here what he got. That would be crazy. That would be insane.

But again, if they did do that, okay, NBA standing for something. Holy shit, David Stern is back. I was telling him all once that Kauai got traded in the car. Yo, he's trying to get out the country, man. I did a play. You're trying to run from extradition? Different jurisdictions, man. That's what he's insane.

He thought he'd get out in fun time. Yeah. So again, I don't want them to come down on Kauai. Because I don't care. I don't have this, like, punitive mindset that, like, we need to punish this guy, throw him in whatever we need to do. NBA jail. I don't really want that to happen. But again, if they make a stand and say caps for convention will not be a thing where you're allowing this league under any circumstance, we're coming down with the hammers.

All right. Loki, if I'm the Raptors, like, I almost don't give a damn what happens. Just don't put B.I. back on my team, man. For the love of God, I want to get off this contract so fucking bad, bro. But they would. Oh, you got to look at him in the eyes. He's currently still in the team.

Wait, wait, wait. Is this the new method? Hold on. Brandon Ingram, you might have circumvented the cap. Get rid of them. Get rid of the contract, please. You know, you can take my draft fix because he's getting off his contract. I did it. I cheated. I tampered from Brandon Ingram. All of a sudden, per sewers, Joelum B. was planting some trees in Philly.

Joelan B. took money from a local cheese steak chain that he did not make an appearance at it. Arrest him. Yeah, but again, it's looming over the Raptors off season. I have to imagine they probably do end up a Kauai. I would assume we don't get the worst case scenario and they do that, but you never know. The shitty part is the trade isn't done, so they can't make any moves right now.

Yeah. So, like, maybe they are going to trade for a starting center that we like or starting point guard that we like. And they just can't do it right now and have to hope whatever talks they were in are still available once the Kauai shit wraps up. Are you talking about both sides or just the Raptors? Both of them, I guess.

I don't really care about the Clippers Street. This is they're doing. I don't have compassion for them. For the Raptors, it does suck that you're caught up in this now. Yeah, but I know for sure at least. They knew that this possibility was definitely in the air because the whole situation was just obviously all in there. It's been so long, damn near a year since we all knew this happened.

We've been waiting this entire time for something to actually come down into fruition. And again, I understand why the Raptors don't care because look at their roster and look how mediocre it is, Co-Wilander will change their broke-ass lives. So if I was... them too knowing all this and known that they might have to deal with whatever possible ramifications and even like get some not smoke on therein but just some unfortunate things i will still do this regardless because you have no other choice and this is like still the only way out for you to be somewhat competitive next year on a deeper level yeah so i understand it yeah we'll see how it goes

next new story victor woman yama has signed his extension after his rookie deal he did not sign a max extension, I chose my words carefully. Actually, he did take a max, not the highest max he could. He took a 25% max contract instead of a 30% supermax that he was eligible before because he won DPOI, made all NBA. He decided to take 5% less to help his team's

long-term flexibility, signing a five-year, $252 million deal instead of 5% more than that. How do we feel about him putting his money where his mouth is and saying I'm serious about winning and I'll sacrifice some dollars to do so? I told you all this will happen, man. Did you?

Yeah, because I think it's not the Jalen Brunson pay cut but I was saying because of the second apron like if you really want to separate your team from the rest of the pack because no one else wants to go over the second tax apron like a part of breaking the parody is taking a pay cut

like if that's really what you want to do with their career and here we are now and that's led a lot of conversation about damn our star players that take less money to keep money in their owner's pockets yeah that's a problem even Draymond was kind of like well he didn't outright say but the whole like he's going to take

pay cuts so LeBron come on the team like yeah so do you guys think it's a problem that we're in a situation out of the second apron that these start players have to take less and to be fair to make this clear a lot of people are making that comparison that it's just like so owners don't have to pay them 5% more but you know in the NBA's collective bargaining agreement the players get 51% of the revenue no matter what so it's basically like when he's taking less money so the the phone cast can get more exactly and there is some element the owners benefit because they don't want to pay a luxury tax you know that in the previous pre-second apron era you'd keep these players that get the same money and the owners have to pay tax so it's on top of their revenue that

the players would get. So there is some part of this that the owners do get to keep some money, but the sacrifice directly isn't, I'm taking $5 million less so owners can keep that money. It's so, like you said, Stefan Castle can get that money. How do you guys feel about the general environment that second apron has created? I think it puts a lot of teams in a very awkward position and I will never be a fan of teams getting punished for picking good players and doing their jobs in NBA drafts and having to pay these players what they are worth. I hate that. It's the worst thing ever, and it doesn't make any sense for what the NBA is trying to

establish when it comes to homegrown stars and really like buying and pouring into guys who aren't smaller markets and shit. I hate it. But also I hate it. I will say it definitely has made my job more interesting when it comes to talking about all the transactions being made, seeing why Carl Anthony Town Towns was traded a couple of years ago, it directly did funnel the NICS, not NICS necessarily a championship, but it helped them, you know, because the Timberl's are in a tough spot and they're trying to avoid the second apron. No, it did. It got them in the championship. They wouldn't have got that without that. Yeah, literally. So it does make the league more interesting, but at the end of the day, I don't think it is fair at all.

Yeah, none of us up here have ever liked it. Since the second apron began, we've hated it. We hated that players had to have this threshold to make a war that they're going to force. We've hated that you can't pay all your players like you said. None of it's great. We know why they do it. They want parity.

And it's worked. We have had not a repeat champion. And I guarantee you one of those teams for the reason they didn't repeat is tied to the second apron. The Celtics had to blow it up because of the second apron. I hate this the most. My team has been the most affected because of the second apron. Honestly, I think almost every champion has been affected by it.

The Nuggets didn't pay KCP because of it because it was a looming. That one they could have paid him, but, you know, they, maybe they used it as an excuse not to go in the tax. Because I think that was the year before the second apron came to play, they were just like, we know it's coming next year, so we want to get ahead of it. Whether it is valid or not, or it was the excuse, neither here nor there, the Nuggets were affected by it. The Celtics traded Drew Holiday and KP immediately they were affected by it.

Yeah. The Thunder aren't affected by it yet, but they're in the second apron now, and they presumably are going to have to dump Loodort to get out of it. but you haven't done it yet maybe they won't maybe they'll just pay it we'll see but they may soon be affected by it yeah the nix we talked about it didn't take less money to not be affected by it like every single team has to make some kind of sacrifice whether it be player or now jaylon brunson won't be taking less money themselves yeah yeah exactly and now the nicks aren't going to be the same exact team they all pretty much have their pieces but i would argue that mitcher robinson

all their role players is the most important piece considering the ups and downs that car anthony towns does have in his game so it sucks and i hate it and i hate it and i hope like a couple years from now that the league does revisit this and add some like tweaks to this. I like the idea, but it needs to be refined a lot more. I mean, I do like the idea of them like standing on the rule because one of the reports that came out this weekend was like the MVP is going to push back on the second apron, which again, we understand the concerns with that, but it's like, I don't know, man, now y'all want to push back after the Celtics got torn apart. I hate y'all, bro. I hate y'all. Y'all can't have pushed back when the

The CBA, you know, negotiations were actually going on. Yeah. People made jokes like, this is what y'all wanted in order to be able to smoke weed and I get tested. This is the drawback. You guys wanted your freedom. You guys got Maliwap by the NBA. I forget that's a part of it. They wanted no drug tests.

Now, one was taking 25% instead of 30. Now, I'm sure it's not that simple. There's, I'm surely many other things they got in the bargaining back and forth. And they probably didn't think this was that big deal because they were convinced that the same money was going to be in the league, it was just going to more players instead of the top. Maybe they could convince themselves that was good for the league. I find it hard to believe that when the next bargain comes around,

that the second April will stay. This is going to be a bliff in history that really was annoying that I think was probably pretty clearly going to be gone. Yeah. I agree. A lot of players and a lot of teams are going to be stuck with a lot of what-ifs. But that's just NBA history, man. Yeah, but there's always something, right?

Every era is mired by some sort of what-if. The previous era was that once-in-generation cap spike that allowed teams that get terrible contracts or in the Warriors' sense to build the best team. of all time. There's always something that happens, some rule change and difference in the league that kind of defines an era. This is the second April era. Yeah, I agree. And it's a nasty

one. I was going to say, next story, we have an update on LeBron James, but we pretty much don't. The update is no update. Is that he is weighing his options, and there was a report that teams can't talk to LeBron, but there will. He's not taking meetings, you know? He knows what's up. He doesn't need to go and talk to everybody. He's doing at his own time. But that doesn't mean communication is not possible.

teams and players and GMs and coaches and the like are sending voice messages to Richard Paul that he is forwarding to LeBron James to hear That is hilarious bro So the Timberwolves on him Tim Connolly is like Hey Rich, want to go ahead Can you forward this to LeBron?

Okay, I'm gonna talk to LeBron now Hey LeBron Really excited to see you next to Jaden Ant can learn a lot from you You don't go bare, be great No just pick us Okay bye Wait wait wait wait wait wait

Give the phone give the phone give me the phone and it's like yo what up brine i got this freestyle for you my bad rich got another message aunt wants to talk to lebron okay now now lebron's talking to aunt go all right man i wrote this freestyle you ready lebron bram brown brown brown brown brown bro brown those in cleveland uh yeah better believe in uh yeah come to come to the wolves me and me and lemello we see a hello I guess all I got Okay Tight tight

Okay So I'm saying Hi Brian peace hit me No it's Quavo I guess Yeah So that's funny We're getting shit like that To talk to LeBron

You're going to send a voice message to his agents We're getting reports that The Warriors have an inside track Because they can actually talk to him Because Dramon's friends with them Whereas other people are having a hard time Getting in touch with him LeBron's going to decide any day now it seems

we're here he's extending this maybe he is weighing his options maybe he's planning the grand launch of his option i don't know i still kind of just feel like he's going to be a cav yeah i i guess i have no reason to believe he might be anything other than anything other than a cav when it comes to the whole warriors thing i feel like that's died down a little bit because yeah we did see a d rep the wizards for the first time and fucking for like literally ever he was over there and some of the league alongside trey kishan george and all that supporting AJ and then also on top of that too he was seen working out with the Wizards too or whatever so I feel like that has like died down for me just a bit considering

AD's not going to be there and that like that moves a lot for me yeah and we're basically the offseason is on hold right now for LeBron all the major dominoes they're going to fall I shouldn't say major whatever dominoes are left that are going to fall are just waiting for LeBron James decision most notably I think the the John the Comigna thing is incredibly transparent if LeBron chooses the calves and they have him as their starting power forward coming go sign with the Lakers they would do a sign and trade with the Elena Hawks of reports all you guys don't want Jerry Vanderbilt's contract, so I'm guessing they'd get La Ravia and connect,

plus a couple second round picks. Jonathan Camiga comes to the Lakers to be the starting power forward. If LeBron chooses the Warriors or any other team, I think the assumption is the Cavs will give Camiga a little bit more money in the signing trade, and Camingo will start for the Cavs. That's pretty much, I think, the obvious domino fall there. And other than that, it's kind of just been a standstill

with every other player on the market left available, maybe on the trade market. They're kind of just waiting to see what LeBron goes and everybody else falls from there. That's crazy. We're seeing the same thing. that we once said literally like 12 years ago. Obviously, it's a way less to degree because now it's just commingo waiting on him or whatever.

But, man, LeBron still has a little bit of power left in it. He's got a lot of juice. We still do care about you, Brian. Yeah. I should say I'm hoping LeBron goes to calves because I do want Camilla and that all to come through. So I'm hoping that that just goes smooth. It's kind of an interesting scenario on what happens if he doesn't, though. Because what if Lebrong goes to Sixers, some random shit like that?

What does that happen with y'all? I don't know. They have to have something that's the same type of trade for another starting power forward. Maybe it's like a Derek Jones or PJ Washington maybe, something like that

because the maps have too many forwards could be that. I don't know, honestly. I do just kind of hope it's coming here though. So we can keep it as to clean and simple because having to figure out a fallback plan would be very annoying. I kind of want to see LeBrona in Philly now.

Maybe it's the hater in me. I'm not going to lie. Wait, the hater, why? I don't think it's a good fit. Oh. I don't want to see them crash and burn. What the hell? How would you feel if LeBron,

let's say LeBron does go to the 76ers and the Cavs do sign Cominga? What is the plan there? Is he you starting three? Or is this like, we're going to trade Jared Allen and reshape our team? We have an athletic forward

next to Mowbly. Yeah, I think that'll have to move a lot because you cannot start LeBron at your three and ask them to be the best defender out of your wing guys at all. That's kind of preposterous.

Yeah. So you have to, and that moves a lot. Yeah, so I guess whether it's Camingo or LeBron, they might be gearing up a trading of Jared Allen then because neither one of those guys are starting small forward.

But both of those guys can be a starting power forward next to Mowbly at center. Yeah. That's interesting. What if they just like Allen though? And just like decide to keep them and run that. Well, I'm sure they love Allen.

But like you said, do you want LeBron to be your starting wingstopper? Not they can't. You can't, you mean, you can't work with that. But the cat's operating very stale ways, I'll say. Yeah. I just can't, I mean if they do keep that way,

I can't imagine we get to the deadline and it makes sense to keep that together. Yeah, I agree. Because again, they're clearly linked to Kaminga as a fallback plan for LeBron. Now maybe Camiga's using that as leverage over the Lakers. That could be possible. I have a feeling that that makes sense to me too, right?

They don't get LeBron. Camiga's like kind of like die at LeBron at this point. It's like, you know, as a powerful word that can do those type of things, the athletic guy running your transition and whatnot. Stands to reason that they want to get that type of body clearly doesn't stand to reason they'd want to start coming to get small forward. And if they're going to out bid the Lakers, they have to give him starter money. Even at that, I don't even, bro, would you, should you start?

I guess Kaminga's starting at Ford for the for the cast specifically with Moby and Allen is a better fit than LeBron at the Ford because obviously Kamingia is just way more mobile and agile and shit. And he could play off off of a Moby not a lot better necessarily, but it'll be a much easier transition for Moby. So I guess that's more viable. Yeah, I kind of like that. The Kamega conversation is weird because I know I sound like a glazier all of a sudden having Hope and Kaminga because he's going to might be a Laker. Dahlia, LeBron. You know what I meant, though. I don't think he's LeBron.

Let me not get that. You said it, though. I do think that the idea of Kaminga as fifth starter next to another Librean protector, whether it be Mowgli or Kessler, it's like fine for who Kamika is as a player. You know, we don't have like star hope or anything like that anymore. But like the idea of him being this like athletic power forward next to those guys, I kind of do see the vision of him being a solid fourth or fifth starter for you

of those teams. They haven't literally made any moves at all, obviously because they're waiting for the one thing to happen. So if they, if what if they in, like, what if they in some weird world struck out on Camiga too? They're absolutely fucking fucked. Yeah, because that could happen because the presumption is he wants to go to the cabs

because they can offer more money. What if Rob Polinca just makes it work? And they just give him more money than they want to. And then I would assume pick the Lakers in that situation, unless he just wants to be a cab, which is also possible, who knows what Camagos's values are. Where does it leave the cabs?

I guess Jared Alintrade is the only thing you could do or run it back. Yeah, run it back with Max Houston. Yeah, yeah, let's just get hardened in for a full calendar year. That fucking blows. Let's go again. Yeah, no. Wow.

So, yeah. Lots of pieces falling in place here. over the next coming days as LeBron chooses. We also mentioned in the beginning, half jokingly, the Lakers did sign Zaird Williams to be one of their other wings,

presumably getting Kaminga there if the LeBron thing goes that way, that's their roster. That's their wing depth. Cameron Carr, Zaird Williams, Aduthiero, Quinting Rhymes,

kind of, who's kind of, you know, more of a guard. Yeah. And Jonathan Kaminga. Okay. What was that picture I sent in the group chat?

Yeah. How do you guys feel about this team? We've talked about it a lot, obviously. What does this roster do for you? You've seen this rotation here? It doesn't feel mad, inspire, I'm not going to lie. It feels

it's decent size. Obviously, like, your defense is going to get ran, bro. I'm not going to lie. Shout to Walker Kessler, he's going to, like, end up having to save everything. But having Walker Kessler, your best of friends being Walker Kester, I guess Kavon Lutie, Grimes when it comes to on ball stuff. Who knows what, like, I mean, shout to Zaya Williams, too. He is, he is, like, productive on that, on that end, too. But there's, there's definitely gaps. And there's not a lot of, a lot of two-way ability on this team.

Yeah, I think to hope there would be that Cameron Carr to do Thiro Answer that as defenders right away Which I don't think is a terrible bet You know, like I think they could It's not guarantee obviously they're fucking rookies and second year player But I feel good about the team, I think If Chikamink is there Like it would be relying a lot on Quentin Grimes

To be your go-to point of attack defender He's a better offensive player than Marcus Smart So I think this will be like the second best offense in the league And can they be the 18th best defense Like we talked about in previous episodes? Maybe Yeah I think I'm just really excited to see the first real Luca Laker team. Me too.

That's the good point. Whether or not we like this team we think it'll be championship caliber, easy to say no, right? They had a vision in place that we're going to get a big man for Luca and we're going to fill this team with athletic wings. This roster's athletic as shit. This is athletic as fuck. Reeves and Sexton are both fantastic driving guards.

They can both get to the rim at will. That's why Sexton's there, right? They can kind of have that caliber of guard next to Luca at all times. to get a guy that can create a paint touch and relieve pressure. Grimes, comminga, car, Thero, and Zaire are all athletic as hell. They can all run, catch lobs, presumably play high effort defense.

That's obviously a question mark for some of these guys. Athletic as hell, you get a big in walking castor so I can hopefully shoot. Mamu is a drive, shoot, defend big. That can do a lot there, kind of like Rui, but with more rebounding. The only question I have is backup center is dog shit. Absolutely.

Dog shit. That's a terrible fit with Luca. Maybe he provides some offensive rebounding. if that was Jackson Hayes even who sucks, but he's a lot threat, I'd feel goddamn good about this roster and at least the archetypes they've surrounded Luca with.

Will it work and everybody gets the best version of themselves? TBD when you have so many new names, but the idea of how they wanted to approach this roster, I do like a lot outside of Backup Center. Outside of Reeves and Luca, everyone is new, right? Yeah. Yeah, like this is a completely new lineup. Reeves is the oldest tenured dude here.

That's fucking crazy to say. Wow. Yeah. Which I like, again. This version of them, assuming they at Kaminka, a lot of it is bets that Camingo can be this role player for you,

that Walker Kessor can shoot and be a star that it's worth $32 million, that Grimes can turn back the clock and play defense like you did in New York, that these rickies are ready. Like lots of bets there, but the upside on a few of those hit, this could be a great team.

Yeah. Yeah. I think the biggest swing factors, and for me personally, the most realistic swing factors that could actually like move needles and give the Lakers way more of a ceiling is Cameron Carr just comes out

and just becomes like an insanely wrong. reliable 12, 11 point per game score already off the bench for them and adds a new dimension of offense because of his high flying ability and his ability to catch lobs and shit like that to guys like Derek Jones Jr. Back in that math team. There's that. And then also, I guess if Quinn Grimes can be more like reliable defensively, that moves a lot. But obviously, but those are the only two things that I can like have my bets in. I'm not like worried about Cring Grimes. Like, I don't think he sucks. Like, I don't think there's a downside there is with Kaminga.

Kamiya might suck, right? Kameg might never get together. I think Grimes has got good and he'll be fine largely. I think it's a solid identification of how you can use him on a winning team like this. I agree. It's Cameron Carr and Kamingu to me. If Kaminga can defend well next to an elite rem protector, which he doesn't need to be, he doesn't need to be Aaron Gordon. You know, he's playing a Walker Kessler, not Yokic.

Like the defensive needs of him aren't quite the same. If he can, like, I don't want to say bind to that role. Because if he's coming here, they're giving him shots, right? he's going to average 17 points for game ideally or whatever. Ah, that's a lot. It's too much. I said ideally in his mind.

So, like, the idea is like he's going to be a score. I don't know if that's going to be possible when you're playing with Lucan Reeves. Whatever it looks like they're going to, you know, give him the ball, let him be an offensive player. If he can be, like, good in that role and be an offensive leaning power forward that can give you athleticism,

I think this team has a pretty high ceiling. That's a goddamn huge bet for John the Camingo, who has been an issue in terms of role adaptability for his entire career. Yeah, because he's the same. Trust me, brother. I had the Kamanga experience as well. You cast this fuck-ass spell on me.

Literally, not even last year, but two years ago, you cast this fucking spell on me, bro. I did call it multiple times that you go to the Hawks. Yes, he did. And now he's come back, struck you just like that, bro. And that's what's funny is I know I sound like a homer. That's like, oh, course, I'm going to convince myself, convince myself now. I do think he makes sense on this team as a type of player that, like, you could get the best of them, even if he's flawed. And that's the funny part is I have to try to not sound too positive because he is comminga.

But I do think he makes sense as the power forward next to Kessler and Luca. Yeah. Even if he's the same flawed player And he only has his current strengths And doesn't make his weaknesses better I still do think he makes sense there There's one thing about Kaminga And there's there's there's one thing about him

That's gonna travel anywhere he goes He's gonna give you rebounding and he's gonna give you At least athleticism that jumps out the fucking paper Yep And he gave that for the Hawks He continues to give them that for the Warriors over the last few years Now when it comes to communication defensively And not hogging the ball up and just taking these

Like terrible like 80 year old Pascal Seacom like pull up tools and shit like that just barely into the room that's ugly and that's going to happen that has to happen for something like Kaminga to be happy on the goddamn basketball court so that makes you feel dicey that dicey as hell upside is there the downside is certainly there with john the kamingga when i see that roster i think i smell like a four seed in the western conference i'm not mad at that yeah i think three or four like that's that's a pretty good outcome i think for reinventing your whole team yeah that's on i think that's on a high end though for me.

I think it's the end. I think it's like, I think with the Luka lead team and assuming good health, which you have assumed for everybody, I think they're like guaranteed to be three or four. I don't think there's a ceiling or a floor.

I think they're just guaranteed to be that middle of the pack team that they'll never touch O KC and I don't, I think there's too much competency there to be like a seven seed. I think they are the most predictable team in the world with this roster.

Dude, if there are a seventh seed, something disastrous has happened. Yeah, probably just injuries. Like, you know, yeah, exactly. If Walker specifically gets hurt,

oh, you're fucked? Oh, yeah. Like, if he gets hurt like an eighth seat or something. Yeah. That'd be a treacherous two months without him, whatever it would be. Yeah. Luke is never getting the MVP, man.

But this could be the year. I mean, this team makes sense for Luca basketball, doesn't it? I think it's when to get the MVP. But like, could Luca be second? I don't think, I just think the other candidates that are always in the race. It's either Yokes who's putting up like better numbers than him most of the time or like dudes who win at a more significant rate than him. Do you feel inspired with the moves that they made considering like this is

pretty much their last like their first real punch and their last real punch at building a real good team around Luca. Yeah, that's the part way to frame. Because like they're not necessarily stuck with this roster for the next few years but this is multi-year contest

they're given out. This is their core. That's the way to phrase. This is the core. I might have assumed they get Camingo for the deal we expect. Assuming Caming is here. La Ravia Connect and two second round picks for

Camino. Sure. Left with like little to know. Inspired. I'm not saying. not wowed. I feel like when you say inspired, it's like, whoa, we destroyed this offseason better than I could have expected it all once. The value ads are crazy, right? No. So if we're grading it, I wouldn't give them an A plus off season, which is I feel like it was what you mean when you say inspired. Like am I over the moon about it? No. I'm satisfied for sure. With the process and the type of players they went out an approach to get it, I know the story immediately became they paid too much for Walker Kessler and all this stuff, which is not not wrong, right? The value, they paid the top dollar to get them. The conversation before that was that there's no fucking chance. the Lakers can get Walker Cessler. And then I'm insane, delusional fan fiction

for hoping they can get Walker Custler when the jazz will obviously just keep him, right? They did go out there and get what could be their franchise center to pair with Luca for the next five years. Yeah, and something I'll add into that too as well is I kind of feel like the Lakers had to overpay because Luca probably specifically requested.

If you don't give me an elite big, I will spit in your fucking face and curse you out in Slovenian like no other. Yes, he did. Very clearly, right? And that's a great ad. And if you don't get Walker Custler, you're going into the season with Aiden or Mitchell Robinson, I guess,

would probably be the realistically other side. That's a scary proposition. It sucks to not get the extra picks. They could have used the extra picks to add one more wing there to start, right? If they could have got one first-on pick for Walker instead of two, they could have maybe gotten PJ Washington

instead of Camingo, right, and had a better defender next to him. There's always better ways there. It's a restrictive free agent on a Danny Age team. You weren't going to run off on him, right? That is not realistic. It's almost never realistic

to get a restrictive free agent at all, especially a high-level one like this that we feel can be a high-level championship caliber player. To get those guys at all, you have to overpay. So I'm not mad about the Walker Kessor transaction at all. I do think they could have did a little bit better on the margins with the signings. Like, like I said, I would like to give Grimes like a little bit less money to give a little bit more money to somebody else and like keep smart or whatever. But I do think smart probably just want to go to Texas and it is what it is. Sucks to lose him.

I like Mamu a lot. I think Grimes is fine and I think sexing is fine for that role. I don't, I just, there's no clear you should have gave this money to X to me. besides Mark is smart. So I'm largely okay with the signings. I love Cameron Carr. Yeah. They hit that at the park. I think he's obviously summer league or something or whatever.

But the skills that he has is translatable as fuck. A lot of people are like this can be your shorter Trey Murphy, your McHale Bridges. Do you think he has a ceiling of a player? Trey Murphy's a lot for me. That's tough. I forgot you fucking love Trey Murphy. Yeah, that's tough. I don't.

So I think he could, I don't think Jim Murphy's a crazy high bar personally. Trey Murphy to me already is a three-time all-star hasn't made one. I know. That's how you treat them. But yeah, that's a high bar for me. But I do see him as like one of the more valuable and unique, mad, unique three and D players, potentially. The D's not there yet, but we'll see in a couple years. And so if he can be that, if next year he can be the starter on this team and Grime Sixth Man, I moved a lot. Yeah.

And I don't, you know, I don't have a strong opinion about these later prospects. So I'm just talking about people have all the hopes in the world for him to be the new McHale bridges and all the shit just because he has long arms. If something like that does happen, then I would be. extremely happy with this team. Yeah. Okay. So I think in theory I like Zaire, like undisputedly. The Walker thing is the Walker thing you had to do because the upside is there. He didn't age, Danny Age. I don't necessarily love the Grimes thing because I do view him as solely like he can start on teams. Obviously, I think he's good enough. But he's best off as a six-man type of guy. And having that type of guy alongside Colin Sexton 2 as well who's coming off the bench. You can give you good minutes. I don't like having multiple like offensive slanted players like that.

Yeah. And I think if you would have taken that Quinn and Grimes of money and maybe giving it to someone like Kelly Ubre who's on the Indiana Patriots. I probably would have liked that more. Not to say that Kelly Uri is like a better player, but I think he has obviously still that athleticism that's much needed. I think he's a better defender probably. Yeah, he's a better defender. I think he's taller. I think he's taller, which identifying like as a wing defender, I think I understand that.

I don't know that he's that much better of a defender than Grimes. He probably is a little bit better, to your point. He probably is better for whatever that stands for. I think, though, the vision with this team is clear that they want to play offense like the 2019 Raptors where all five players on the court, pretty much at all times can attack a close out, can dribble, can shoot, can create, and you have this lethal offense that you can't double team Luca because he's swinging into a guy who can attack that close out and make a play, swing it to another guy who can attack that close out and walker Kessler's a spacing big to allow us to happen, right? Grimes fits that way better than a Kelly Ubre, because Grimes can really, really attack a close out. Yeah. Like that's starting lineup if it's Kaminga, Luca Reeves, Grimes, Kaminga, Walker, Reves, Grimes, Kaminga, Walker, Kessler. If Walker Kessler can be a spacer

Plus lob threat How do you defend that when all five of those guys Can attack, make a play, or four not counting Kessler? That is true, but also like I feel like you can't think like You were going to be similar to the 2019 Raptors because their defense is also fucking ridiculous as well. I don't mean the Raptors

at all. I just mean that idea offensively. Remember we talked about them a lot when they had the guards around Kauai and it was Norman Powell and Fred Van Vlite doing that off the bench. I just mean that style of offense of like we feel like on paper the talents can all be dribbler That's all I mean. They're nothing like the Raptors.

Okay. There's this roster construction. Okay. I just mean that idea of you have your star player and everybody around him can create. That was the MO here. That's how JJ wants to play. Yeah. And I understand that makes a lot.

That makes a lot more sense. Their style of offense last year could not literally do this. I mean, LeBrona could do stuff, but you ask some really to create for you. That's like extra tough. And that's why they pick Mammo over him because Mammo can dribble when attack a closeout and is way more talented offensively besides shooting. Yeah. So you're going to give teams like a lot more of a tougher time offensively.

But I think you already were going to do that regardless of someone like Austin Reeves and then Austin Reeves and Luca, of course. But I just wish there was more defensive talent. Yeah, more balanced roster for sure. Yeah. More balance is all I would ask for. So that's why I'm like, considering the amount of years that they signed, how long is Grimes contract? Three or four. Everybody got multiple year your contract, which I like because I'm tired of this every year we got to have some roster turnover.

And those are all tradable contracts. Like Grimes at 13 mil, if it doesn't work, you can trade the fuck out of Grimes. Yeah, you're right. Grimes is, like, that's not an untradable contract. I don't think that's a type of contract you need to attach, like hella picks two at all, or not even a singular pick for real. Yeah, and same for Sexton.

These are good salary filler guys that, like, keep on your team for two years. If a couple years from now you get some picks back and you want to make a big move for a wing, you can package those guys easily. Like, all these deals, they have a lot of roster flexibility, I think. Yeah, four years with a player option on the last one.

Yeah, you know, they love a player option. Yeah. It's a lot of years. That's a lot of years, man. But I think that's good. Like, that's a good thing. Like, they need to have stability and have a core, like you said,

like they need to have Luca, this is your team, we can build off of this. Like, they're not going to be a caps face team anytime soon with Walker, Luca, and Reeves. So there's no benefit to being a short contract. Yeah. There's not big money, you know, it's a medium-sized money. So more years and more security there and make some better trade assets because there's actual team control. I think the long years is very good. If I was a luxurious fan, I think I would be coming off of this offseason on like an inspired gradient scale, probably like a C-plus.

because I feel murky, obviously, because this is all you have. Yeah. You have the brightest team in the league, and you are still, like, when it comes to defensive talent, you're mid at best right now. It's not giving championships, though? Not yet. Obviously, things can turn, and we see, like, injury luck happen, and if the Lakers, like, walk their way into a championship one year, I would not be surprised.

But considering, like, the straight-up, like, cores and seeing how other teams have established themselves and how they have like multiple like three and d guys or whatever and we see like the fit long term i it's more inspired the lakers don't inspire me as much i think it's fair i do think when the season comes around and we see it i think i i feel good about how it maps on on on paper i think the biggest issue with people that think it's like not you because you know these players if you go on like fucking instagram or something and people are like it's dog shit i think it's one because walker kessel put in the jazz and play last year so they don't have the vision of him being a top 10 center uh mamu is mamu

they don't know how to say his last name and he put on the Raptors. They view him as like, who was this fucking rando that you signed instead of the best playoff shooter in Rui Hachimora? To me, that's a clear upgrade. And when I've said that the past two episodes, people in the comments are obviously mad

because how could you possibly not love Rui Hachimora? He had so many threes. They're not familiar with mom we looked at. So a lot of the players, Cameron Carr's a rookie who we think could be a big, important part of this team, right? All these players, the idea of Austin Reeves is like a playoff droppers in the air because he's been playing injured.

I don't think that's true at all. All these things, right? even Comingo, who I think has a distinct of being a flop because he was supposed to be the next star for the Warriors, I do think could still be a good role player. That's a very different idea than what we're talking about him being a failure for the Warriors. I don't want him to be the lifeline to the next era.

Like he was supposed to be with the Warriors. I want him to be a good fifth starter. That's a very different expectation. I think it's super possible. To me, it's all a mixture of expectations not being aligned and not getting flashy names that I think we can get 20 games in the season and all the ideas could kind of come together

and we could talk very differently about their course. Also, too, it's just simple as this as well. If Walker Kuster just walks into the season becomes like a top seven center or top six center or some like that All my concerns are wiped away They could have a legit big three Like we can't forget what Austin Reeds is doing

Before he got injured His stat line ended up being like 23 and a half points For game for the season Because he got injured twice And that obviously dampened it When he was there, especially without LeBron Bro, he was playing like an all NBA player That was not a fluke

That was a good sample size And it all made sense he gets better Every single year This is gonna be Maybe the most dynamic backcourt in the league Is up there And maybe they have a friend High Center that could be like you said top seven center.

Obviously the pieces around are imperfect. I'm not saying it's a great defensive roster, but I think that the floor of their top three could end up being a lot more high floor than people think. Okay. So in terms of excitement, you gave it a C minus or whatever. Yeah.

I'd say I feel about B, B, plus. Naturally. I don't know. I was saying for that. But if camera car sucks, then it's a different story. That guy's going to be good, guaranteed. It just feels like there's still a lot riding on like we'll have like God tier seasons,

which I understand. it's fair to expect that from a superstar player but looking at how like the Thunder the Spurs or even the Knicks are built like you know there's a little bit more variance you're 100% right and know what the difference is then the differences I expected that

yeah like was the expectation to come on and build a Thunder level roster that was never gonna happen so like I don't I didn't have the idea that I would leave this offseason and say that roster is just as good as the spurs my idea was like give Luca a good enough team of people that fit around him and let him be go God mode for a playoff run and get you there.

That was always the archetype for me. And like you said, I would like to have better defensive talent and feel better about that. I'm having to rely on young wings and then taking a leap to get to that point. I don't love that. But with the idea of I need a roster that Luca can carry, I feel solid about that.

Yeah. Okay. I understand. Now, I will say, Lucas is never going to get a point in square where he doesn't have to carry. And that is what it is. That's what it is. That's his lot in life. Yeah.

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. I feel like in this era specifically, we are done with like the ultra-carry jobs that we saw in 2018. with LeBron or even 2017 with Russ If you really want to win That's just not going to come To be fair I don't think it's that though

Because I do think Austin Rees is an all-star And Walker Kessler could be top seven center or whatever Like I don't think it's quite that And I think also too Like offensively Luca doesn't have to carry as hard as he did last year For this Laker teams at all Because these are proven offensive guys

Right now outside of like Camingo obviously But Grimes he's been a bucket for several years now He can be aggravating to watch But if there's one thing that he can do He can't put the ball in the basket the same thing can be set up about Concexon as well and deal those two guys alone like move a lot and then I even mentioned like Austin Reeves

who can like stabilize the offense in his own rights so he doesn't need to like he doesn't have to forcefully like average like 34 33 like he did last year yeah but the thing is he wants to and this roster allows him to do that very well I think because again I don't I always say this and like I don't obviously some people are going to think it's sacri religious I don't think this version of Austin Reeves

is that much worse or even with that worse at all than what we saw in 24 with Kyrie. I think they can be just as lethal of a duo I don't see any reason why If Austin Reeves that made the All-Star team last year Never got hurt I think people would view this a lot differently But the idea is that you overpaid Austin Reeves Who's good, not great, and all this stuff

And I think the reputation is lagging a little bit behind How good he actually is. Yeah, yeah, I think the whole, a lot of people In the league are asleep. Then what's his name? Rich Paul, they don't see something crazy about Austin Reeves. That too, the clutch mafia hating on his ass He was like, gauging his contract

I'm talking about how he's like slightly overpriced or whatever. So is weird. Everybody, they're acting like he took money out of LeBron's mouth, which maybe that's how LeBron feels behind the scenes. I don't know. But yeah, the clutch mafia is saying,

Austin Reeves is overrated doesn't help. Yeah, that doesn't mean. It's, I feel like it's, it should be the worst kept secret in the league, but for some reason, feel like it's not.

But also the reason is guarantee the top 20 player in the NBA next year. And I think he proven that. Obviously, he shook a lot of things up. But the leap that he took, bro, he was averaging Luca-esque numbers, like 20.

Eight and eight, bro. It was ridiculous. Yeah, I do think he's the top 30 players at the least. Yeah. So I feel like a winner of the all season as a Lakers fan that wanted a realistic, good approach. I don't know if that's true or not. Obviously, people are disagreed there. Let's finish our winners and losers now.

To wrap up this episode. Okay. We talked about all the big news. We got 10 spots in each. Has him and hero. Hals him and hero. Ooh, okay, can we stick to players real quick? Whatever you want.

Loseer, Brannie Ingram. He stuck in between borders. He doesn't have a home, bro. He's stuck in between borders. He lost, bro. They lost, bro. this ass in Toronto. He was going to go get an Airbnb in the Clippers.

He don't got no home right now, bro. He's lost. He's fucking customs. He's between borders. For 12 months, the Clippers left him. Lawrence Patero gave a fucking phone call. He didn't respond. Oh, my God.

That's hilarious. A winner? Did you all say, Jalen Brown's the winner? Or a loser? is Jalen Brown a winner? Yeah, I think he's got more glazed than anything out of all this Because the biggest talking point has been how they did Jalen Brown wrong How dare you disrespect the top 10 player in the world

Maybe he is a winner Maybe his reputation is better now Yeah, PR is up Fuck it, Jalen Brown winner There you know Yeah, I mean, I guess it's probably better for him to stay in Boston Because if the idea that he is low-overate is true Boston's a good installation for him

Hell yeah But now he's opportunity to prove He has opportunity to prove that nerds like me Are completely wrong about him And that he can walk into the 76ers locker room and turn that bitch up. So that's all he needed was an opportunity. He's been waiting for the platform for years.

Yeah. And he just got it. So yeah, he's a winner. Y'all think his character was attacked too much, though, to the point where he had a bad off season? I don't really care about it. Towards the end, yeah. I don't think it was attacked too much.

I almost think it was not attacked enough because of the Twitch shit, right? It was just so bad. But to your point, you're talking about Colin Coward calling his know-it-allness of disease and stuff like that. We're sure. I always make fun of the whole, like, like best player in the best uh my bad i make fun of the smartest player in the world thing just because it's a funny title that people like do a lot about but i've never said he's dumb that's that's crazy to say that he thinks he's too smart like to tear him down because of it i think it's funny to make fun of

the people that like glaze him about being this like 100 IQ genius and then like not necessarily taking everything he says with the context to do anybody else because he's so smart yeah so i think the people and how they treat that title is funny but the idea that he is like an issue in a locker room because he thinks he's too smart. It's just like dog whistle bullshit. So I just don't even pay that any mind. Yeah. Gilles Brown winner. Okay. What do you do with the Yonah situation? Did anybody win that?

His brother's lost. Okay. Losers. The Nassas. Yeah. They're not giving his ass a roster spot in Miami. They don't play that shit. No free checks. No more. That's tough. Maybe that makes Yonis a loser because you know, it's not just free checks. He needs his keeper. Ooh, you're right, but it's heat culture, though. So I don't know if not Yonis is

necessarily the loser. So you're saying Pat Riley's his keeper? Yeah, exactly. He's new keepers in the building. You D and Yannis, they locked in probably as well. Maybe that's what he needed. He needed new keepers. Exactly.

A fresh era. Exactly. Different level of accountability. Okay, because some things he might go to and they just, they don't got a keeper. Yeah. He needs a keeper of some sort. Mm-hmm. I agree.

For the Yannis as a loser? No, Yonis is bros. No, because we're saying Yonis has a new keeper and has him. So it works out even though he loses the Nassus. Okay. Yes, exactly. Is Bama winner? Because he gets Yonis and he gets to get.

his shit off on Tyler? Yes, Bam is a winner. He's a big winner, obviously. Bam's a winner. Has to be a winner. Loser. What is John Moran? Is he a loser? Because he got shipped to Portland or should just be left off of this because no one really cares. He lost before and this is just the fruits of his labor have now been reached. But I don't think anything new happened. He's a loser. Okay, okay. I don't think we need to kick him when he's down. Yeah, not at all, not at all. He's honestly, he did get a new start, which is what you needed. Mike and Norrie, their new coach is he a loser because he just got like the most ridiculous this contract ever as a first

time by coach. Got it's not a minimum wage. Yeah. Everyone knows to. But at least he got an opportunity. At least he's a head coach. And maybe he'll just prove everybody wrong. Okay.

So I'm not in. So it's got to be losers. Oh, you have to be. Obviously, yeah. You had like literally the worst two, three months stretch, like on all basis of the basketball universe that any fan could imagine. You blew a fucking 3-1 lead. And then you built through a lead.

Tatein went out, blew a 3-1 lead. Jail and Brown goes on stream. talks us about this is the most favorite season after you guys did the most embarrassing thing that tends to happen to the history. Then on top of that, too, you traded for a 46-year-old Paul George. Yep. You lost on all basis. There is no light to be had in any situation at all.

Yeah. Bad off season for the guys, man. Bad off season for the guys. I don't know how I feel. I really don't think it's that bad. But they think you'll losers. Everybody else disagrees me. They're losers.

Everybody disagrees. That's fine. Winners. Who else is a winner? Mitchell Robinson got a new opportunity. He got paid, but I don't know if it makes a winner per se. Who else gets to go on here is a clear-cut winner. Yeah, man, who's the winner?

Walker Kessler's a winner for sure. Oh, Walker Kessler. He got engaged and moved to Los Angeles to get $32 million a year. He got engaged? Like the day after the trade happened. Wow, that check hit immediately. He went to K-Juelers the next morning. Yeah.

Apparently his wife was like Miss America. Really? Good for him. I don't even know that. Good for Walker. Good for Big Walk. Yeah. If I just made that up, that's going to look crazy.

I do think there's something there. He has some notable wife, but I forget. In what regards. Yeah. Okay. Massive with a ring. Also, this is the best past she's fucking played in with his life. Him and Austin Reeves, bro.

Luca and Austin Reeves. Austin Reeves winner went from undrafted free agent to $40 million a year. So much of the made by him being overpaid and whatever, right? He's a Laker. You're going to get criticized. What an amazing story to go from undrafted free agent that works his way up. every year gets better, becomes a starter after Darvinham is benching his ass for like Torium Prince and Cam Reddish and shit like that.

You become a starter. You become secondary ball handler. You become the guy. Now you were the clear-cut ideal second all-star to Luca Donchich. You are a pivotal part in the story of one of the greatest players ever touch of basketball in Luca Donchich. After already being a pivotal part in LeBron James' story, the greatest player touch of basketball. What an awesome storyline for Austin Reeves.

Yeah. Next year, I'm 100% rooting for him to be an all-star because he's one of my more favorite players in the league and his story is just incredibly unique and it's something that we've literally never seen before yeah so definitely win a winner of the off season we can't forget the draft washington wizards you get out of hell you get a j to bansa 100% bro you did pay tray what he what you wanted which is where whatever but you set you set up your organization and one of the most unique timba team building ways that we've ever seen ad's there a july looks healthy he shan george looks like he's grown trey johnson is doesn't belong in summer league

Will Riley, he's fucking ridiculous as well. Your young core is ridiculous, bro. They're doing good. We can put all the top four in here, but I do want to specifically shout out the Bulls. I think the Bulls had a really good option. But the Bulls and winners. For the first time, too.

Caleb Wilson is the truth. We were at Summer League. We saw that game in which he hit eight for 11 threes. He didn't shoot any threes in college. He was a non-shooting big. And he was asked about it. He delivered some aura farming. It was tough.

He said, I wasn't asked to shoot. I could. But I'm glad I didn't shoot. Because if I did shoot, I wouldn't be here right now playing for the Bulls. insinuated that he would have been a top three player if his team allowed him to shoot, but he's happy where he's at. That is tough as fuck.

Bro, I love the energy from the top four, man. They all think they're him. And they are. They are. They are. It feels fair. I don't see a single one of the top four picks busting. That's crazy to say that, like, I feel like all four. Nothing's a guaranteeing this life in the NBA draft. I'll be shocked if all those guys aren't all-stars. When's the last time we said that? About a top four?

Listen, America's back, man. And they're all American too? We get none of this Euro fuck shit We got none of the fucking Canadians on top too Hell yeah man Big USA This is the only time I'm banging it When it comes to basketball

Never to a little That's like most of the starting lineup Of like the 232 national team at the Olympics Bro yeah we're back We're back okay You know what cool it is So watch a generation of superstars walking together And just know you're about to see the guys

That's insane They're coop in there because in their class Like what a generational high school class That's ridiculous bro it's awesome. Yeah. Oh, how do you guys feel about who's the winner?

Anthony Edwards, you can send him to ruin it, right? Because he has a mellow ball now. He does the entertainment on and off the court. He doesn't have to fake be a point guard anymore.

Yeah. Sure, Anthony Edwards getting the mellow ball. I'm cool with that. Yeah. We've been begging for a point guard next to him. Never did we throw the mellow ball's name

into that mix because we just didn't think it was possible. The closest thing is I wanted, like Darius Garland I threw into the air when it was clear the caps ring and trade him a couple of summers ago before they actually did. Lamello is like,

Accurate type of player. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Okay. Honestly, we're winners, fans for getting all these stars and new duos put together. This offseason was ridiculous.

Podcasters, winner number nine. We have so many star duos now to talk about. Yeah. Dude, our trade grades, our off-season grades episode went stupid because we had like seven all-star trades to talk about. We didn't really got like 300K. It's at 315K right now. Jesus Christ.

It's crazy. The amount of, we were fed with so many star transactions. Thank you second apron. Hell, yeah. We're up. Thank you, second apron. We have shit to talk about. It's a good summer.

Unbelievable. On the NFL side, we didn't have shit to talk about this summer. It's been tragic. The NBA made sure that will not be the case for us on this show. Okay. Who's the last winner?

A lot of directions. A lot of people won this off season. Did Rich Paul win? No, he's a loser. Put him into losers. 100%. We'll see what happens with the LeBron decision. I think with the way he's like handling it

and how like the whole whiteboard situation putting up oil, Dallas. That was funny. He continues to fry me, bro. Oil is winner number 10. No. Actually, Max Killeman might have to be to listen to that shit.

Let's see, what's going to be our last winner? Oh, man. We got to see how the LeBron things play out to assign stuff there because Dremont could be a winner. Dremont could be a loser. Depending on how his recruitment efforts go, time will tell there.

I don't think anything LeBron related could be on this. You'll find out he gave up all that money for Barzengis. Fuck. Time will tell what happens in that regard. Yeah, no. Would the Knicks be too much of a cop-out?

Yeah, it's awesome. Didn't really do too much. In fact, they lost the off season because they lost Mitch and didn't do anything else. Yeah, I'm about to say. So they don't get anything positive. Oh, Phoenix Suns, losers. Oh, my God. You get traded an unprotected pick from a kill for Miles Bridges.

You just keep doing sun shit. You just are obsessed with trading unprotected first-round picks for players that are clearly not that valuable. Yeah, and also aren't really additive to your team at all. And go ahead. Pelicans on this list. Oh, my God. Just put the word Dumars. They signed DeAndre Jordan to a two-year veteran minimum contract for,

million dollars a year. The idea of this contract, there is a rebate program in the NBA when you sign veterans to deals like this for one year that essentially the league like pays for part of it. It's a whole thing, right? It's very common to be used. They signed him to a two-year guarantee contract that makes the ability to use that rebate program unavailable to them. There's a report that they think that Joe Dumas did not understand the rule. Did he work for the league at one point in time? Yes. What the fuck? So now they have two years of guaranteed DeJon Jordan. which is not a problem in and of itself,

but if they had made the second year non-guaranteed, the league would have paid for this contract. And that was clearly the intent, but they are stupid. And that's amongst many other Pelicans misgivings in this off-season. But that gets Joe Dumas onto the off-season losers list. You know, this is just like the cherry on top

outside of all the, on top of all these stupid ass shit they did. I was over here on their case talking about how they lit 14 games of the John T. Murray basically let them give, put them in handcuffs. believing that, you know, we can like get commendable, respectable basketball basketball basketball. That you did nothing this off season

other than signed the RJ to this fuck-ass contract. Okay. Y'all take it. Y'all take it. Ridiculous, man. A loser Jalen Dern. He is currently being squeezed by the Detroit Pistons. The Lakers shows Walker Custler.

So that means Jayland Duren's market. Completely disappeared. And there's nobody else competing with the Pistons in this restricted free agency era. That sucks for him because he's probably not going to get the money. He thought he deserved. And now it's probably his fault for shit in the bed in the playoffs. But nevertheless, Jalen Dern is a loser of this.

situation. You think the pistons as well, like as a whole? They're stock going down a lot this offseason for me. They added Isaiah Joe. They're playing really safe and doing it around the margins. And I think they clearly feel like there isn't a perfect star available for them right now. And they don't want to overpay. So I feel okay with them considering to have Isaiah Joe.

I like Ibuka Corey a lot. But outside of that. And they also got John Collins, which is like fine. Yeah. So they're just like clearly just they're young and they're waiting for the young talent. Yeah. They didn't have an exciting off season. Yeah.

But, like, I don't know if they're that much worse. I know we've been colored by Donovan's hatred for them in their off-season. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Yeah, I was a little bit harsh on them, too. Oh, someone who I think low-key should be a winner because throughout the entirety of the off-season, everyone's been shouting out from the top of their lungs. Lou Dort will go away. Lou Dort will be traded.

That motherfuckerucker is 10-tows in OKC right now till this damn day. He can go nowhere. He might have to be in winter. For now, though, long off-season ahead of us. I mean, we haven't had no news, no new reports. You really haven't. Or maybe Lou Dorsson-Tuttle. Maybe he's the next franchise legend.

Fuck it. Lou Dorts is a winner. He has to be. They might stay in the second April for you. Yeah. Because Shea values you that much. Shea loves you that much. You might get to stay and make their owner deal with not only tax bills, but the roster restrictions that come with it.

They love Lou that much. Oh, loser obviously also has to be the Pacers because, you know, remember the draft lottery is a part of the off season. And they got absolutely nothing to show for it after winning like 19 games in a whole entire NBA season. That's under-talked about. We talked about them because like the fact that they traded that pick for Zubatch essentially. That like the value proposition is talked about. The emotional effects of watching a tanking season and getting nothing, that is brutal. All you have to say is at least for getting Halliburton back. He was already going to come back. He had no choice

but to come back. He had no choice. That wound is sword. Yes, exactly. Oh, next loser. Hornets fans. I don't think the Hornets are losers. I think what they did time will tell the bed is right. Maybe they should have been better off picking Lamello to stay long term. We'll see. The value proposition is okay to me and the bravery is okay. But Hornets fans saw a second half of this season in which they felt more, hoped they've ever felt in their lives.

She got ripped away the next offseason. No chance to build on that. We have a whole new team. Hornets fans and their love for Lamello, big losers. 100%. Who else is a loser? Do we have two more? We have two more to fill up?

One more loser. One more. One more. Who deserves to cap this list off? Ooh. Get she's carefully. It's the last spot. I know.

No one on the Bulls are in losers. The Brooklyn Nets, they did their big one this offseason. Got Randall. Is everyone in the NBA World Fair game? For the second apron? No, no, no. I'm just saying, like, oh, oh, oh, I see if you're saying yes. Yes.

Yes. No one's off the table. Oh, I know. I don't know the assertion. Is it an important. appropriate to say? No, no, no, no, no. I mean it just stuff. It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. Let's go to prove first, Beau. I don't think we need to add it to the list. We're good. Yeah, we're doing. That's tough. It's so cruel.

It's tough. All right. Last loser. Oh, shit. I was for the thinking, Captain, man. Oh, shit. Who is a loser in the NBA world? Oh, my God, my stomach hurts. Oh, shit, man. Shadden Sharp's a loser.

They added all these goddamn guards. You said who? Shaden Sharper. Oh, the Kings. They're just still the Kings. The Kings, damn. Yeah, just put the Kings. Yeah, Acup, man. Summer League and Summer League and Sondi, but Akuf hasn't looked like too much yet.

I don't even care about that. You're just the Kings. Yeah. Something's never changed. Zach Levine opted in today contract. If we put the bulls and winners we got to make sure

there's balance in this world because not every sucker is going to be completely fixed in one off season you're still the Kings. That is true. And those are our winners and losers.

That's in the off season next week, or Thursday actually, we are starting. Ranking season officially we are here to off season era. We're done with free agency

on to the usual shenanigans that define our content in the summer. Yo, I need all my real eaters out there to really rejoice, man. Pull them fucking crayons on. This is where TD3 really has a lot of their staples.

I know. A lot of famous moments. What the fuck you're talking to third person? Man, this is basically the sign-off of the 2025, 20-26 season. Now everything we're going to be doing is forward-facing, you know, evergreen ranking stuff. Season's over. No more real news, at least in this moment right now. Season four of this show is in the books. We'll see you all on Thursday for the start of ranking season. Donovan say bye. Bye.