The Deep 3 Podcast - The Nets Are A DISASTER... That Just Might Work | The Deep 3 Ep. 3

Episode Date: September 22, 2022

The Brooklyn Nets are pure chaos... but they also might win the NBA finals. Today we preview the Atlantic division, draft all-time starting 5s, and more! Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagtam!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's good, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Deep Three podcast. I'm your host, Donald Smoot. Got the homies, Isaac Gutierrez, Muhammad. Yo, I don't even know your last name, Muhammad. What is it? Don't know my last name. That's Mojo and 99.

99 is my last name. Mojo, Mohamed, 99. That's all you need to know. That's funny. I guess. Well, look, we got a whole bunch to get to today. We're going to preview the Atlantic Division. Really interesting division.

exactly we got we got the brooklyn nets in that one ben simmons james hard on the sixes your nicks i listen we'll we'll talk about that we'll get there they're already getting me pissed off but we got all of that we're going to be doing an all-time player draft we got some more of your hot takes to get to got some player mashups um but but let's start let's start with the hot takes yeah for sure before we get into it though want to remind you guys if you're watching on youtube drop a like subscribe to see more of this i know you guys a lot of you guys are probably from shorts so do us a favor and subscribe so you can see more with a long form podcast if you're listening on spotify give us a five-star rating follow you know all that stuff so let's get into the hot takes

let's do it so as you guys know if you've been watching shorts like i said every week we react to your guys as hot takes and we pick some of you from the comments so normally we're going to be doing this at the end of every episode but since i don't know how many guys know about it we're going to do it right now exactly first one yeah it's going to do it pixel donkey says that sGA and Tyrese Halliburton or both going to be All-Stars this year? That's the L-TICA and Tyrese Halliburton. Both of them. Donovan Mitchell is in the Eastern Conference now and I was on that train initially.

Like Tyrese Halliborne is going to be an all-star, but now that, you know what I'm saying? Donovan's there. There's just too many threats right now. I'm going to say L-TIC, but it's not a fat over. I agree. Yeah, I'm going to go L-TIC. I think SGA could make it, but Tyrese is hard to imagine. He's going to be great.

I think one day will be an all-star. But not this year. I think SGA makes that leap, right? Like, I think, especially, it sucks that he got, yeah, it's, it sucks that he got hurt and he's going to, like, miss the, he's going to miss the start of training camp. But listen, the, the thunder have absolutely nobody and especially not the fact that, like, Chats out for the entire year. Oh, yeah.

She's going crazy. Like, he's done with all the losing. So I think Shea makes it. I think Tyrese sits out because, like, like y'all said, there's just too many guys in the East that I got to put it over him. Yeah. I'm really high on Tyrese, but maybe the next year after this one, that's when it's going to make that leap for him.

Yeah, exactly. Someone like James Hardin is on my then is going to have to, like, take a mean that if he is. James Hardin is getting in off a name. James, he's going to get in off a name. He's still going to be also in caliber, relax. Look, I'll save it. I'll save it for the preview.

But again, like Hardin, there's guys that are going to get in to offer their name. And so, like, Tyrese is going to be one of those guys that's going to be like, he's going to be on the first team all snub list. Like that's where he's going to be at You know what I'm saying? Real quick before we're the next one I forgot to say the TikTok intro So let's say it right now

I got another list of hot takes for you guys Let me know what these are W takes or L takes Now that's up the way Let's move on number two Seheel says that Cleveland Will make it further in the playoffs than the Nets That is That's an L take

That's an L take I don't know It is because They either are playing against each other like to get to get to the to the eastern conference finals or they play each other in the eastern conference finals but i think that just the high-end scoring of kd like if now that he has ben simmons to kind of do like all the defense and dirty work for him and you know maybe take some of like the the playmaking stuff off his plate if kd just has to say like hey i just need

to go out and get 30 he could do that in his sleep i think that having him he's the best player on on the floor I basically like all times he's yeah basically against anybody yeah he's gonna take them over the top for sure I want to say I want to say that Cleveland will go further but like this is just the first year typing off there was this whole if it was evan movin donovan donovan mitchell Gary's garland and Jared Allen in their second or third year together for sure you know what I'm saying but they're just way too all new together and there's still some there's still minor question marks that I have about cleat this is going to be an L take for now I want to say that I have more faith in the calves but like you

said Donovan they might have to play against each other that's pretty likely and in that case I'm going to pick the nets obviously yeah I just don't under like if we're talking listen I we and we talked about this last time I think I think like the net have the net ceiling in the in the regular season and in the playoffs if everything holds and Ben Simmons comes back and he's like the guy and he's just like some supercharged version of Draymond

he's like the Brooklyn version of Draymond there's not a lot of team in the NBA potential that's what I'm saying there's not a lot of that you could realistically put ahead of

so that's why I'm putting them ahead got to be an L take thanks onto the next one pull up my handy dandy documents and scroll back to the top after that technical difficulty

okay so G production says that LeBron is going to switch teams one more time in his career. That's a W-T. That's a W-T. He's not staying with the Lakers. I don't know.

He re-upped again, even though right now they're going through crazy turmoil. It seems like he really wants to be in L.A., really wants to be a Laker. At this point, he might just be right or die for them. No, I think right now he's like, listen, right now he's waiting for Brony to get to the league. And he's like, if I'm going to wait anywhere, I might as well just wait where I live the, you know, the other eight months of the year. Might as well live in Los Angeles, but if Bronny gets drafted to Indiana, he'll have no problem signing a one-on-one and, you know, running a mansion. It's nasty. I know.

It is nasty, but, like, he'll have no problem renting an Airbnb for a year and chilling out there. So it's... I love how you think LeBron James is going to be going off of Airbnb. An Airbnb, LeBron James. Oh, hell not. They say he's cheap. They said him and... Not that cheap.

He, LeBron said that he still has commercials on his Pandora. He said that he doesn't pay for premium stuff At all. So like if it would save him If it would save him a million dollars I bet you he would do it You see I love I don't think LeBron's gonna stay

I think LeBron's gonna change teams One more time For either a reason like that Or bro the fairy tale that I have in my mind Call me in Atlanta if you want I don't give it hell no I don't want him in Atlanta I want him to go back Listen I feel like damn there

I'm, this may be, this is my, what do people call this? My dirty truth or something like that? I don't know what people call it, but I loki may be like more of a Bronn fan than I am a Hawks fan. Oh my God, I can't believe I just said that. But, dog, I think I just said that. And I want to see him go out the right way back home at Cleveland. And I think that like, what am a fan wouldn't want to see that, especially just a litus hell right now too. Bro, if they get Braun, Jesus Christ, they're going to be unstoppable.

Yeah, no, bro. LeBron in the middle of all that. They literally have no weaknesses. That team, Jared Allen, Evan Mowgli, Braun, Donovan, and Dare. Oh, my God. And all that is wrong. They're not going to be able to pay all of them. The bronze is that bro.

Maybe old man, Barron wants to come on a minimum. I don't know. Is that he's cheap? Is he cheap or not? Just that he's cheap or not. Yeah, exactly. Cheap means you don't want to spend money. He'll gladly take the money.

Facts. Yeah. I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to say L take as a legist. fan because I want that to be true, but you're probably right with the Bronny thing. He's probably going to leave. Yeah. Yeah. What's next? All right, next one.

Your boy A, so that in three years, Scotty Barnes will be a top 10 player in the NBA. That's a W take. I think Scotty Barnes has all the tools. Top 10 is tough. It is tough. But if you look at a lot of guys in the top 10, like there's at least two spots with Curry

and LeBron where they're going to start aging out, right? If you think that Dame or if you think that Dame or Kawhi are in there, in the next three years those guys are going to be at the very tail end of their career so there's four to five spots that are opening up Kevin Kevin Durant too exactly and so Scotty barns is six what six eight six nine he can defend he can do absolutely everything if he starts getting like you know lethal from outside there's not really like I don't think that the that the ceiling is that low for Scottie yeah I think maybe you're right because he's going to have that defensive versatility for sure

with his size and he's going to have the playmaking but I think we need to see a big shot making boost from him. He needs to develop more like you said an outside game with the off the dribble shooting self-creation at the rim all the type of stuff you need to be that type of top to your player. He can definitely do it but we still have to see that happen before we just assume we'll. That wouldn't

be absolutely crazy for me to see because with how well he played offensively that was like a major shock or a lot of people were comparing to Raymond and so like that when he was coming out of college and obviously like his scoring is on a very good level, but he, like you said, Isaac, he needs to take another jump, another leap.

But it proved being real. You said the question was in 10 years, right? Or five years. Three years. Three years. Oh, three years is kind of crazy. Three years, I don't see that happening, bro. Right now, his competition is like, as of now, I'm only focusing on young players,

Trey Young, Luca. Then there's guys like Anthony Edwards, John Moran, Zion, wins. Bro, that tier, that's only five. So Jason Tatum, then you can, like, SGA, I just don't see it happen. And then you start getting to Scottie Barnes' name at the end of the list. I'm not saying he's going to be one or anything like that. Like again, I'm not

saying Scotty Barnes is going to be like the best player in the world. But he's going to be if, again, all of this depends on if he makes that jump. So we'll see this year. But if he does, and I think that he has the potential to do it, then yeah, I can see him being around that like 9 through 12 range and potentially higher. That's a franchise player type jump.

He might be a French player. I definitely think he's on the trajectory. It's too early to say he won't be. I'll say that. Exactly. So let's give him a W take just in case. Yeah. Just in case.

I'm going to this man at L. Fuck out my face with just in case. It's the reigning rookie of the year. I respect. I'm a Scotty fan, but. This man hates Canadians. No, you're not. You hate Scottie Barnes.

That's funny. Okay. So next one. The Slayer says that Joelle and Bid is a top three player currently. that's in ah wow that's really tough it's hard you could argue him anywhere from three to seven like joel is in a really weird place where he's a back-to-back runner-up in MVP so

NBA media members have decided he's a second best player in the NBA two years in a row but there's like four names you can easily say are better than him here's the main one right are you putting are you putting step at three because if you if you're not putting step at three then imbid is three

but if you but if you see so if you're putting yonis and what Yokic, there's KD, LeBron, Steph, Luca, like, all those names could be above Joel, or none of them could be. I would have, I think my top three right now, I would have Janus, Yokic,

Steph, Mbid, at 4, and then we, and then we're fighting with Bron, KD, and Luca for 5. That's fair, yeah. That's my top 5 right now. I think I might have LeBron at 3, but either way it's hard for me to put Joel there, but I understand if you do. So L, but

understandable W. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not going look at you like your fucking bat shit crazy i'm going to give this a l take but it's respectable you know what i'm saying you're gonna get back over here it's a lowercase l just just a little bit of exactly lower case that's good that's good i like perfect not a bad l but it's a respectable l gentlemen's l if you will yeah exactly okay okay last one derrick the goat says that kd bludda derrick the goat says that kd is top ten all time that's a l take let's get that out of my face he's not top ten Oh, damn.

Not even going to consider it? No, no, he's not top 10. I agree. I think Curry is like the 10th best player of all time right now, and I don't know if it's a hot take, but I'm putting Curry above KD, so KD can't make the cut. That shouldn't be a hot take.

Step has always been better. Agreed. Yeah, when it comes to this top 10 talk, bro, when it comes to this top 10 talk, there's just so much that, like, goes into it. Like, talent outside of it, he's not top 10. But even then, like, talent inside of it, Like, I still, I could see the argument for top 10 very clearly, but I'm going to say, no, he's not.

Yeah. People have to do the whole, like, he's top 10 most skilled of all time, which, like, sure, but I think we all agree that to be in the top 10 list, it's a mixture of career accomplishments with skill, with peak and all that. And some people just have a better career resume than him at this point. Yeah, exactly. Like stuff curry. Exactly. But all right, that's all the hot takes I got. So I think we can move on to the division preview.

seem you guys are going to start with because there's a lot of interesting choices. Let's start with the Knicks and then we'll get to the good teams afterwards. Damn, whoa. He sounds like he wants to get it over with and just take the bad medicine, bro. Holy shit. 100%. That's what it is. They are like, listen, they're in New York, but they are the least interesting team in the entire division. So, like, if we can just make the short, Julius Randall is still bad.

The back court fit of Brunson and Barrett is going to be interesting. Damn, but I do think that they kind of made the right decision in terms of like not mortgaging the future to get Okay, okay. Let's slow down. You're just sitting out every time Yeah, he's trying to get all my takes out. Listen, no, no, no, no, no, my takes out. Let's talk about. I get the jokes. I get the jokes. You hate them. Ovisorate them, bro. But there is some interesting things to talk about. First and foremost, what is you guys' prediction for how good of a team they're going to be? Borderline playing team. Borderline playing team. So like 39 winsish? Yeah, 9, 9, 10. I agree so they're not a good team but we should talk about why what are the I'm sure as the Knicks fan you're well aware of why what are the elements that make them so fucking mid they hit their roster their roster is full of mid and like it's bad players yeah and so like it obviously goes obviously goes like beyond that but one when your star is is Julius Randall and the difference that we saw from 2020 Julius Randall to To 2021, Julius Randall, offensively, there was a huge drop.

Defensively, team-wise, there was a huge drop. And then now you're coming in to this season with Brunton and Barrett as your back court. You're a little bit undersized in that area. And there's not like, you bring in Brunson to help the creation, but there's still not a lot of great offensive creation on there. And defensively, it's not what it was. years ago and so the ceiling for a team that doesn't have a lot of offensive

creation is just not high yeah that's the thing kind of where you are like you said that one year they were good is because their defense was just playing above their heads and for some reason a team led by julius rando was a great defensive unit which is like obviously not sustainable as his shooting wasn't and like you said their offensive creation is pitiful they were the lowest in the league last year and assist percentage and they were 29th in shooting at the rim and 27th as shooting from mid-range all in all they just weren't good at offense like every statistical category you look at, they were into the bottom tent in everything. And that's going to happen

when you have nobody in your team that can create a shot. Nick's only hope. I don't know if y'all heard the news, but Derek Rose, coming back healthier than ever. That man said either in an interview or something like that or some Twitter post said that, yo, this man is back at 195. That's his rookie of the year weight. You know what I'm saying?

So, hey. I want to say he was over. He was definitely bigger than that, but I won't say he was overweight, a little bit bulkier for sure. It just happens natural every time. But, um, listen one thing i will go ahead go ahead is okay one thing i will say is

like we said their biggest issue was they have no shot creators and in turn have shitty offense that just evolves into really bad isolation attempts from people who aren't good at it because of that the idea of adding jaylon brunson intrigues me because he's not the greatest player he's not going to make them a contender but he is really well equipped to help them a very specific areas that they struggled he's extremely efficient from the rim extremely efficient from midrange areas like i said they were terrible in

and he's not the world's best passer but he's competent he's a solid passer which is really what they need they need something somebody that can keep them above ground and not be a puddle of water bullshit offense yeah the nicks the nicks have been looking for a poor guard for years and for years and last year Derek rose

was he was like he was the best offensive player that that they had in terms of like you into it's like like like consistency helping the offense move he's there the fact that Derek grows is about to

be in year you know 10 plus us and he was like the main source of creation for the nix is absolutely ridiculous so i i do agree with you i think in that like brunson coming in is going to be great because now you can move derrick rose to the bench and you can use him in spurts save his knees um because at the rate that tibs was playing him last year those knees were going to give out again so i think that so i think that uh i think that uh i think that brunson and rose that back court would be good the biggest thing for for new york is how good is rj barrett going to go exactly that's that's the that's the biggest key because you know julius randall isn't here for for long term dependent on what

happens with brunson like is he going to stay here for five seven years i don't know but you just committed four years 120 million dollars to r j barrett you need him to take another leap and to be a star so that's what do you guys do you all think he can because there's a lot of polarization around RJ Barrett? Yeah. I think he... Go ahead. Okay. Okay. Listen, with RJ, do I think that RJ is going to, is ever going to be a top 10 player in the league? No. I don't know. Of course not. No. That's not what we're talking about. That's not we're talking about. Can he be a low, a low level All-Star? Can he be Brandon Ingram tier? Yes. He can. Okay. I find that hard to believe. I, so Nick's fans are very high on him. And I see why they see the potential in

why they want some of the grass want to. I see what everybody else sees. He's a solid defender. Two years ago, he was a good shooter. Last year he wasn't. There's volatility in shooting from young players. That is what it is. I don't see a world in where he has the off-the-dribal creation with the handle he has.

I don't see the world where he has the ability to score from all three levels on his own. So he's really going to be dependent on being an elite off-the-dribble, off-the-dribble, off-ball shooter. And if that's inconsistent, I don't know. Yeah, exactly. I understand that. and and and I get that I think the fact that the fact that he's not like a negative on defense that helps a lot yeah he's a positive I think legitimately maybe it's a small positive but he's definitely helps yeah exactly one of one of the things that I really want to see from RJ

because he's taking he's taking like steps forward to where even even whenever his shot isn't falling I if you go from his rookie to now just the form and the mechanics of his shot have gotten better so like you see the improvement coming until you're just waiting for it to like translate to game yeah but but I want him to his rim scoring has really like just been the same since he's gotten into the league his it was the worst in the NBA last year the bottom two rim scores in the NBA after you hit a certain volume I think was like five tens per game RJ Barrett James Hardin by far over the bottom two his his rim scoring his rookie year was that 54% and his sophomore year was

55% and last year it's 55% if if he wants to make that jump into you know maybe even above a low level all-star you're going to have to finish at the rim right you're exactly you're 6-7-6-8 you have to you have to finish you when you're right there yeah and so that has to go up for him yeah to be a good offensive to be a good score in general you have the most vital part is being able to score at the rim especially creating your own shot it's the most efficient spot in the court another way you can get away with that is if you're like elite of the elite shooter like I'm talking one of the best in the world, and that's not really in the cards for RJ. Yeah, exactly, bro.

Like you said, it's the most efficient shot in the world in the game of basketball, mainly because it's the easiest shot in the game of basketball as well. And, like, if RJ Barrett is really that dude, 10020 max and what, like, a lot of people think he can be, then he should be able to, without a question, at least guarantee it play and C. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And, like, guys like, guys like a lamello ball, guys like a, who are, who else are young players, Anthony Edwards, people who are in that, you know what I'm saying, tier, even though RJ Bear was drafted a couple years before them, before those guys, you know, like, they're bringing their team to at least the play and see, bro. And for Arlese Berry, that's like, that's a huge question in the air. So it just tells me that, like, I am not that sold on him being the guy from New York. He's the guy to, like, you know, will cure you a.

all of your depression for the moment until you get like some other type of star you know what I'm saying he's he's like a drug not a good one he's just suppressing the pain he's a bad drug he's not he's not bad he's so mid bro he's mid that's what it is okay that's funny he has okay so he has potential he has potential now I have to cap for RJ he has potential he's gonna he's gonna be okay so like his growth is is really the key for the Knicks this year. It's kind of what they're hitching the wagon to for the next couple of years.

Yeah. Like we can move on, but if we're going to talk about the best case scenario that the most positive view you could possibly have the Knicks, it's that R.J. Barrett takes the next step people want him to take, and he's like sub all-star level next year.

Jayon Brunson comes in, and he looks like the version he was last year when Luka wasn't playing, averaging 22 points per game, being a solid playmaker. Julius Randall is at least decent and not fucking got awful like last year. some way in between where he was the year before that

and Quentin Grimes is the guy that some reason the Knicks front office thinks he is and he's like this solid player solid contributor if all that shit happens they're going to be a solid team but there's a lot of questions I can't be mad at that bro can't be mad at whatsoever but you can't question if that's going to be the case

because I'm not going to predict it yeah same all right let's let's get to the playoff teams in the in the Atlantic division what do you guys want to start next do you want to like move up the run in terms of like son Now let's pick one of the interesting ones

Let's talk about Boston The reigning Eastern Conference champs Okay They're so interesting bro So first before we get in We all know Boston's a great team We all know last year They were a great team

Because their defense was so amazing And the second half of the year They have one of the most historic runs After a shitty start Question I have for you Do you see them being at that same level And making it back to the finals No I don't

I don't see them being at the same level at the same level. There's a, there's a couple reasons. And the first one is, and it's really, the first one really is just pure skepticism in the fact that how, how long can we expect Al Forford to, to be like good. That's a good point. That's the, that's the, that's the, that's my main, like, question with Boston is that you brought, you brought in Al Horford revived his career. Is, is he going to look like he's 37, 38 years old next year? Or is he going to still, you know, defy time and be exactly be what they need, you know, on that defensive front line. And starting off, I'm very curious to see how they look started off because Rob Will is, is hurt. And he's going to be out. Yeah, that just

broke. You know, he's going to be out four to six weeks. So if Forford is going to have a lot of the defensive responsibilities on the back line, what does that look like coming out, especially forford is washed? So that, that's my main, that's my main concern. That is very true. But something that I don't understand, like, why are people not, like, maybe I'm just OD and I'm a Malcolm Brogden Stan, but he's a, he makes a difference for real, bro. He's a difference maker. The problem is he's never on the court to make a difference. Exactly. The last time, I'm looking at it right now, the last time he played, like, over 60 games was when I was like 19, 18, 18 years old. That was 2018, 2019. It's crazy. That was a long time ago.

But, like, he, like, if he can get the health, or be healthy on a semi-consistent basis, or at least when it matters the most, that'll be a huge difference. Now, Malcolm Brockton, healthy or not, Robert Williams is hell important to that defense, and he's one of the main driving forces. He's incredibly important. But if Rob is healthy, all the other dudes maintain some health,

like maintain a good level of healthiness, and if Al Horford doesn't fall off an absolute cliff, I think, like, yo, I don't, I can't, I can't name too many teams that I take over the Boston Celtics. Yeah, it can't be more than two. maybe three like even in the worst case scenario they're going to be a really good playoff team maybe if things break bad for them and like you're saying these players that are maybe a little bit unreliable go the negative way they're still going to be a good team they have a really

high floor because their nucleus of jason tatum jaylon brown Marcus smart and then robert williams such a high floor the two-way play from those players alone just keeps you above water so well yeah yeah but the one thing we'll talk about they they listen I don't I don't don't think anybody's doubting their court they lost the they lost they didn't lose the finals because because like one through five they lost the finals because they didn't have the depth of the warriors yeah and so like i i i agree with moe like i like malcolm broadden makes a difference but he has to be out on the court in order to to do that yeah and so we'll see but also that's a move that you make for playoff time you don't bring malcolm brogden right like you don't

bring malcolm brogden in to like change your your regular season stand well i don't know I think that So for the past few years The big thing The one of the biggest Talking points Around the Celtics Before this year especially

Was that they need a point guard That Marcus Smart isn't a true point guard After losing Kenben and Kyrie They need that lead guard there And last year kind of shut that up a little bit Because Marcus Smart was really good as a playmaker Jason Tatum made strides as a playmaker But they still

They could use another playmaker They weren't the most efficient Half Court offense What made them great was their defense And Malcolm Brogning being there as a six man Could give them that Which elevates them in the regular season To be instead of being the 11th best offense

in the NBA, they could be the six or seventh, which would make a meaningful difference. Do you think, okay, so now, so now you kind of have like this point guard role of three guys where you have, you have Smart, White, and Brogden. How does that work, right? Are you going to be able to play two of them at a time? Oh, for sure. Yeah, because, so all three of them are plus defenders. Brogdon's the worst defender of the bunch, and he's solid.

With Marcus Smart and Derek White both being their combo guard sized and both. well above average defenders in Marcus Smart's case defensive player of the year they can easily play together especially when you're playing with two big lineups with Horford and uh yeah yeah exactly that's exactly my point yeah I feel so I feel so sorry for people who are listening with earpods on right now bar or beat bro I feel so sorry that's exactly apologize shit no I'm you to myself they didn't hear that real good My concern with those lineups is that, like, when you got to the playoffs last year and you, like, when you had Smart and White out on the floor, smart is a very streaky shoot.

Like, when Smart's on, he's on, but when he's not, he's not. And Derek White, oftentimes, like, for his career, he hasn't been, like, a great three-point shooter. He had a couple games after his wife had had the baby where he, like, turned it up. But if your back court, if your back court doesn't have the shooting like that, especially with those two lineups. And then you end up going with Brown at the three, Tatum at the four and the five. The defense is going to be there, yes, but I'm just a little bit worried about how much offense and how much shooting you can have in the half court if you played those kinds of lineups. Yeah, well, that's not going to be a majority of their rotation. The starting lineup is going to be smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford, Robert Williams.

Those lineups that have, the thing is, you're saying the white and smart lineups are like, is the offense going to be there? That's the thing. Brogan makes it so you don't have to play that. very often. You could never do that meaningfully with the rotation. You could have those two on the court when the other one isn't. So Derek White is just like a 20 minute per game player. That's the luxury that Malcolm Brogman awards you, which is what makes their ceiling so much higher, I think, in terms of their office in a regular season. That's fair. Listen, as long as like, I think for the Celtics best case scenario is that they're not relying on Peyton Pritchard to give them 15 a night in the

finals. And I think, I think, oh. Is it? Most definitely, bro. You're a liar. That's funny. What kind of buckets are we talking? He's a mock bucket. Listen, Payton Pritchie can go to any pro-am in American. He could, he could ball there, but the finals was not his time. Now, he's Michael Jordan, the Seattle Pro-Am.

That's what I'm saying. I like the point, I forgot which one of you brought it up, the point that how much longer can we expect Al Horford to look as good as did last year? Because what made them tick last year made them so good is the fact that they were able to make the change of, let me backtrack. Originally at the start the season, they had Robert Williams is basically the five defending pick and rolls at the rim, and then Al Horford was the four guarding the man in the corner on a standard play. They were able to flip that and have Al Horford be the center, quote unquote, and defend picking rolls. And Robert Williams moved to the guy in the corner that could be the help side rotation guy and block shots in the same way that Yonis plays.

That's what really made them tick. And to do that, you need Al Horford to be really good. So if we're relying on an old man and an injury prone big and Robert Williams, that can make the defense a little creaky. Yeah. And, and you saw that, listen, you saw that in, in the, in the Miami series, when Robert Williams was not, when he wasn't there, Ben Matabai was able to eat and the heat were able to get back in there. And in the, and even in the finals, towards the end of those, towards the end of that series, you saw like Robert Williams was hurt. And, and he was not, he was not 100% himself. I just think he's never healthy, man. Exactly. Why is he just now getting surgery? I, I was so surprised by that.

Yeah, some people have been joking that it's a Scotty Pippin thing. If you remember what he did before the last dance season, he could have got surgery in the beginning of the season, but he said, I'm not going to fuck up my summer, and he got it at the end of the summer after he was partying. That way he did the end of the season started. Oh, my God. We don't know if it's that, but it kind of looks like it.

But, like, yeah, just logically speaking, like, you know, after the finals, maybe he heard himself again after like all the train that he's done. Maybe that actually makes sense. Maybe you hear himself again, you know what I'm saying? He wasn't sitting around waiting just to fuck over his team. It just wouldn't make any sense, but... Nah, you probably not. Yeah.

Yeah, interesting. But we're nitpicking at the end of the day. Like, this is one of the best teams in the NBA. We're just trying to talk about what could go wrong, but they're probably going to be a top three C contending for the finals again, for being honest. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that.

I agree with that. It's a good time to be a Celtics fan, which lately there hasn't been a whole lot of that. It's been a lot of... They're going to be good, potentially. Now's the team they're building for. Yeah, exactly, though. Let's move on to another...

Let's move on to one of the other... middle of the pack teams and talk about Toronto well I find very interesting but let me hear what you guys think about them first do whenever anyone talks about Toronto like or first off let me backtrack a little bit whenever anyone is like throwing out of their one through eight or one through seven or one through six teams in the eastern conference Toronto's is almost like never a part of that conversation people just act like they don't existively yeah like no one cares about them anymore and now that they had their championship phase and pascal ssiaacom is a player who almost every single time

throughout any like conversation he always gets underrated or overlooked this or some weird reason and guys like Scotty Barnes is usually brought up as a good talking point but a lot of people just feel like they're just like chilling and they're in a rebuilding phase and in my mind that's like it's not true

they're in a retooling phase as of now yeah and um like they're just so interesting and I definitely see them like being like a what six seed if Scotty Barnes is gonna be 60s think he is then like there's a lot of good teams as high as succeed It could be as high as 6C. Yeah.

I give them that. I think that's around the, that's around the range, right? Yeah. 6C. I think, um, I think it's very, very interesting that they didn't kind of go all in for Donovan Mitchell and get an offensive star like that. And they, in their, in their, in their back court. Exactly.

I think that, I think that would have put them over, over the edge, um, in terms of like being a, in a legit contender and putting them in the, conversation with Milwaukee, Boston, Brooklyn. But listen, they are, I think you, you already know what Toronto is going to be this entire season. They're going to, they, they have length, they can defend. They are like, the poster child for what people want to, um, want like the NBA to be in terms of like, like, position is basketball.

Big wings, a bunch of six, eight Africans, row. Everywhere. On a hunt. Thanks. Thanks, like that's, that's, he's a type. Yeah, he has a type and they, they stick to it. Everybody fits except for Fred Van Vleet, but they're going to be good. Nick Nurse is one of the best coaches in the NBA, so they're just going to be really, really solid.

But until they get, and listen, Pascal was really good on offense last year, but until they get somebody like a Donovan Mitchell in there, I don't know if they're, if they're going to be able to take that next leap to, like, true contender status. I think they're just the weird. team in the fucking world. Like we're talking about with all the 6-9 guys, they don't have any bigs,

they have one small guard and 65 wings. And that weirdness isn't just like on paper. It plays out on the court too. Like they're not a good offense. Like last year there was 16th in offensive rating

mostly because they didn't have a lot of playmaking with Fred Van Fleet being the only person that can really create a shot. So they end up shooting the second most mid-range shots in the NBA but they're not

the first team was the Sons who just make them a ridiculous level. These ain't the Sons. so they're middle of the pack offense and what they're 26 in rim volume and 22nd and 3 point volume the two areas you want to shoot the most shots they don't do either of them

on paper they should be a mediocre team exactly like they and I think they pretty much are I don't want to say that too harshly because like they're not trash they're a good team you know but like as you said like their roster is not really in that or they have no

rim pressure rim print penetration exactly coming from anyone except for like Fred Van Bleet like we just said. So until they go ahead and either A like make a trade four star or something like Donovan Mitchell

they weren't able to get them but for someone of that tier they're not gonna be on nothing and they're gonna they're either gonna do that or like completely going to rebuild and like shit their pants they can't though

they're too good to do that. I think they're good and well when I say reboot go ahead and ship off go ahead and ship off OG and tear it down. Yeah and tear it down they're not gonna tear down

they shouldn't tear down. they're in their late 20s, and Siakum as of now. But they're doing both, though. They still have Scotty. They still have OG who's young. Siakum's his prime. Like he's 28.

Like I think they're doing a good job of doing both. I don't think they need to tear it down per se. Yeah, that is true. I think if they, as of now, it just feels like there's no, there's a direction. We all know what they want to do, but how soon is that going to happen? And none of us really know that.

And if they do go ahead and like, decide to go ahead and like pounce on a star how much is that going to like deplete their roster and i don't know there's so much in the air i think in their minds they don't need to pass on a star because all they did to do is wait a couple years for scotty barnes to be that star that's kind of their north star they're looking towards and seeing something that could take them to the next level yeah i think that's that's a disconnect for me because i don't know if he can be that like franchise player i know we can be like all-star for sure guaranteed but franchise i don't know well what does franchise player mean to you then

Uh, franchise player means like, it means getting buckets. Like, you, you just want, you just want somebody. You just want somebody who can, who you can get the ball to and score 25 a night. Franchise player in my mind, look, I'm going to get in my goddamn bag right now. Franchise player in my mind is someone who you can lean on when all shit goes bad, bro. I, like, several videos before, like, yeah, whenever we're, like, cartoon, think about when we were a little kid, you know what I'm saying. This is to happen for everyone, but in general, we all know this idea.

When you're a little kid, you go ahead, when there's a storm going on, you know what I'm saying? Your parents are not home and say, you're scared as fuck. You go ahead and run to your bed and you put that blanket over your head, close your eyes, and the next thing you know, oh, my God, everything's okay. I need someone like that to run my franchise. Trey Young gives me that feeling. Lamello Ball gives that feeling for the Charlotte Horns. Brown James does that. Cury does that.

It's like daddy issue. All shit goes bad. You know. You know, you're violated right now. You was violated right now. I'm just saying. Man, what's a father figure? That just goes

No, you violator right now, dog That just goes to show like I just don't know how much I can trust Scottie Bourne's On that level of this day He has to prove a little bit more to me That's it That's literally it

Yeah, again, like we talked about earlier It depends on what the his shot creation Looks like in the coming years So I can understand that Listen, listen, the Raptors And they do a good job And you talk about like being able to Pounce for a Star

If the Nets wouldn't be an unreasonable and asking for the whole damn team, right? If it was any other franchise or if Rudy Gaubert didn't get traded two weeks prior, they would probably have Kevin Durant right now, right? But Gober gets traded. Price goes insanely high and the Nets are like, okay, well, we want your whole team and you're in time for the next decade. And so like that's the thing. Anybody else, any other star that comes, you know, out for the next two, three years

that's going to be upset. I'm pretty sure they're not going to be like as good as Kevin Durant. And so like the price for them is going to be. Yeah. And so the price for that for them is going to be a little bit lower. So I think that Toronto is actually in a really good spot to go out and trade for another star. If need be. And they have Masayu Jiri running everything.

And he's one of the best executives and he knows what he's doing. So I'm going to trust him that if somebody does, if somebody does become available, that they'll be able, like they're going to be at the top of, of the list you know for sure yeah i think it all comes down to their interesting team right now they don't really have championship aspirations nobody has them in that tier at least out of us three but they're a fun team to watch because who knows what they can become in the future yeah exactly definitely one of the more interesting teams for a variety of reasons yeah all right let's i think could we could we do brooklyn i want to i want to end on philly can we do brooklyn right now we can absolutely do brooklyn now get your bag go ahead tell me what you think about where the brooklyn

that's okay listen brooklyn and i'll probably probably get into into my to my duffel more with the with the sixes but brooklyn has the potential to be the best team in the east um okay as a as a as a nix fan i'm praying on i'm actively praying on their downfall but like if you naturally right but if if kairi is there the entire season right and he's not and he's and he's not in and out of the lineup right in terms of it's a big if it's a difference when it's like if kairy's hurt rather than oh Kyrie doesn't have a vaccine so he's going to play in all the road games but he can't play at home like that's just no way to do any type of continuity if you have Kyrie KD and Ben Simmons

who who doesn't even need to be like a star right he just needs to be the best role player in the in the league if he fills that role they have all the pieces to go out and win a championship oh definitely yeah they like you said it all comes down to the inconsistencies that we all know we're there with Kyrie's health, Kyrie's mental and personality, whatever you want to say, Ben Simmons' reliability. Kevin Durant's health now, too,

he's sneakily very injury prone. But if everything breaks right, they might be the most unstoppable offense in the NBA with some defensive versatility with people like Ben Simmons. They could be incredibly terrifying. Yeah, I think that the Nets,

the Nets are the, listen, if everything breaks right, I think like out of the top four teams, right? If you were to say, if you were to say Boston, Milwaukee, Brooklyn and we'll say Philly right they Brooklyn has the highest ceiling but I also think that they have the lowest floor because they're interesting there can there can be a situation where Ben Simmons isn't right or Kyrie isn't right and now you're rolling

Kevin Durant out there with a whole bunch of role players and they are able to like last year yeah and can't tell this game and so now you end up in a situation where you're the Nets And if Kyrie and Ben Simmons aren't there, you're back in the play it. So again, high, high ceiling, but don't like, don't, don't sleep on it. Their floor is also very low. Oh, for sure. Mohamed, if you had to guess what their seating is going to be with all this brought into account, what are you going to pick? With all this brought into account, something that also needs to be put into account is that, like, you know, this is contract here for Kyrie Irving.

And he needs to go ahead and secure that back. So he's going to play. He's not going to be on no bullshit. He's going to make sure that he can play as many games as he can so that he's reliable for a year or whatever. And then he could go do whatever he wants after that. But this year, I think it's not crazy at all to say that they're going to go berserk this, this regular season.

I see them as a top two seed. I want to say comfortably three seed. But top two seed will not be surprising at all because I think everyone is just coming out for like blood. After all that time, Cower humans, we haven't seen Ben Simmons for a minute. do anything but put on fly ass outfits and go out with baddies once in a while but yo like has mad Gucci sweaters but at the same time there's just there's going to be some disconnect because there's a whole bunch there's a whole lot going on with that team and it's just so goddamn awkward you know what I'm saying seeing Kevin Durant walk up to Steve Nash you know what I'm saying

he wanted him so it's what we got to talk about awkward it's going to be real awkward that could that and health are going to be the only two things holding them back but if everything goes smoothly and they have that redemption year that I think they will have, then I definitely see them being a top two seed. Yeah, I don't think they're going to be a top two seed, not because I don't think they're good enough, because even if all the chemistry stuff is okay, Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are not going to play more than 60 games

because they're health. I think they're going to be good enough to weather the storm with one or maybe two of them out, that they can still win a good amount of games, but because of the health, I think they're probably going to be like the four seed, but come playoff time, they might be the scariest team in the East, if assuming they're all healthy and ready to go.

And I think that's going to be like the destiny of this team Is that they limp their way through the regular season But come play all time You are not going to want to fucking see them in any capacity They are good They're going to be what the clippers were supposed to be like two years ago Or like what they will be this year Well no I listen I actually think that the clippers are more stable

Than Brooklyn yeah Everybody's more stable in Brooklyn Yeah Fair And so And so like but for Brooklyn And it's crazy because I Even with the entire

like Durant trade stuff that completely just lit my mind like I completely forgot that yeah that they had this entire standoff and that he does we got to talk about that because that's not going to just go away like we're foolish if we think that things are just going to go on business as usual he hates this coach and told the public everybody knows he wants to GM a coach fired that's going to rear his head in some capacity something something's going to have to happen right because the last time I can feel like the last time I think that something like this happened was in 2016 team with with lebron and blat and it was very very clear that he didn't want black there and it took the

cabs getting getting destroyed on mok day to get blad out of there are they are they are they gonna have a moment like that right that's that's honestly like what they need a moment like that or at least durrant does durrant needs a moment like that so that he can get nash out of there but it's very very clear it's it's clear though joe i josai wants to Steve Nash there. And if he wasn't going to trade him this all season, I doubt that a move is going to be made in season. Yeah, it's hard to believe he's going to fire Steve Nash.

So after all the, it was the dick measuring contest between him and Kevin Durant, which he ended up winning in Kevin Durant's back. Is he going to just fold now and fire the coach that he clearly made a hardline stance that I'm not going to let you bitch me into firing him? It's not going to happen. So at that point, is it going to be turmoil?

Is Katie going to be an adult and just deal with it? I don't know. There's a lot of turmoil, which has basically been from the moment they signed with the Nets there's been turmoil in Brooklyn. So I guess it's on Brandon and it makes sense

for the Nets to be one of the messiest teams in the lead. All I know is I respect the fuck out of Josiah for what he did this off season. Normally obviously I'm very pro player do your thing but him being like, no, I'm not going to trade you. I'm not going to fire him or fire him.

Fuck you. It was hilarious. Dude, yeah. I'm all for player. Before the extension, before the extension, before the extension, Fention even kicked in. KD was asking for a trade.

And Josiah was like, yeah, just I was like, are you fucking nuts? Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, bro.

I'm all for player empowerment, but there just comes to a certain level where you just can't, you can't cross all these lines and run away from all the shit that went bad because of the decisions that you made. And I listened to you, you just can't back try life. That's not how it works, bro,

you know? So I definitely, I, 10,000% of you with everything else. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely. appreciate Katie's right to request

the trade but I definitely love that Joe's eyes like fuck no get back in your uniform like it's just in theory I would hate that in theory I would hate that but in this circumstance like you say it's kind of Katie's grave he dug it himself it's hilarious so I can't be mad at it yeah 100%

all right last team last team that we got up we got the Philadelphia 76ers let's go okay I'll be first this team is going to be fantastic Joel and Bede is one of the best players in NBA we talked about it I know Donovan's going to be feeling pretty differently than me, so I'm going to go ahead and get out there. This is going to be, I think, the one seed in the east, maybe not the best team in the east, but for the regular season, they're going to be the one seed.

Joel's going to be an MVP frontrunner again. James Hardin's only better than did last year, not like Prime James Hardin, but he's going to be solid. Tyrese max isn't to make a jump. PJ Tucker and Daniel House and Melton are going to give them the depth they needed on their bench to round out their regular season. They're going to be a threat. One seed. Moe, go. that boy said he's a

Tucker and Daniel House yeah I agree about that bro and also you can't forget that boy who we move and pounce from city to city Montres Harold yeah he's definitely a major he's definitely a major

uh ex factor yeah X factor difference maker major pickup not yeah exactly difference maker for them as well because yo whenever

joel is out which he will be out because it's just a known fact is what he does Because James Harder is not going to be left astray with absolutely nothing to do and no one to work with. And everyone else that he's had on, that he has on the team right now, he's ran with them before. And, yeah, I think he's going to be a beautiful scene. I have them as our number one scene. I think Joel's going to go ahead and win the MVP. And James Harden is going to prove to you, Donovan, specifically, that he is hint.

Look at his face. Look at his face. He's ready to be a fucking hater for no reason. All right. Both of y'all are insanely wrong right now. There's no way this team. There's, there's no way that this team gets, gets to, gets to, gets to one seat. I, I don't, I don't think.

Why? I think, okay, first off, and I, and I will say this, we haven't, we'll talk about them later. I think that, one, we haven't mentioned the, the Miami Heat in terms of, like, this, like, upper, you know, echelon, in terms of, like, contender, in terms of regular season play, I think the Heat have a better chance of getting the number one seed than the six. Okay, maybe that's fair. That's one. Two, James Harden has been declining for two years, and for everybody to come out and expect, like, James Hardin is just going to, you know, reverse back to even 80% of what he was. I think that that is false. James Hardin is just not there.

Joelle Embed also misses games every single year, and while he probably will be an MVP runner-up because he's just that good, the fact that matters that he's, He's not going to be on the court. Hardin, who also, his durability is starting to go down a little bit. I think that Tyrese, I think that Tyrese, he's probably going to make a jump as well, and he might be able to weather the storm. But when you two stars are not going to be healthy for a majority. I won't say a majority. I mean, come on, Joel's been healthy lately.

He just broke his face last year. But other than that, he's kind of gotten over the injury woes. It's, it's, and still. He finds a way. He finds a way. but my my biggest thing is that James Hardin when we last saw him looked like an absolute shell of himself and while like that is absolutely like rock bottom right and I'm not I'm not saying that he's going to come out and look the

way he did in game six all year long he's clearly going to be better the ceiling on James Hardin I feel like for the second half of last from the moment he got traded to the Sixers it the question was is is James Harding going to be able to be the guy that we saw at the beginning of his thing with Brooklyn And he's not going to be able to get back to that. So I think that the team is much low. Here's the thing. Maybe you're right.

Maybe James Hardin is what he was last year. If he was what he was last year, that's okay. He wasn't the James Hardin of old. He was still a very good player. He was still a player that was probably better than what we got from Ben Simmons, right? Definitely. Okay. So if that's the case, even watched James Hardin last year,

James Hardin and Embed were the most efficient pick and role in the NBA. If you just get more of that and more reps under the, belt with the better supporting cast, that's a pretty fucking good foundation. That's still a contender right there. If they get prime James Hardin, they're unbeatable. But if they don't and they get Washington's Hardin, that's still a nucleus and it's still a top tree playmaker to help you build out around Joelle and Bede and put you in a position where he can take you to a victory. Yeah. James Hardin's, James Hardin's three point numbers have gone down each of the last three years in terms of his overall, like, in his effective field goal percentage, that has dropped

in each of the last two years. Offensively, when we talk about, like, creating shots for himself, James Hardin just isn't as good as he used to be for himself. For sure. He can still facilitate for a lot of people and be kind of, like, off ball. But if you guys think that Tyrese Maxie is going to take, like, a huge, huge leap to take over the secondary scoring goal behind Joel and Bid, then okay. I don't think Maxie is going to get there this year.

Sure. I have to. I don't know a all-star level. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But you have Joelle and B. I don't think Tyrese maxi is going to be the second best score on a championship team this year. You're comparing James Hardin and you're seeing his effective focal percentage dropped and everything.

He can't be what he used to be. You're right. But he doesn't have to be because back then he didn't have someone like Joelle and B that could be that go-to score. We have different expectations now because different things are needed of him. The scoring now is less important. Him being the best facilitator in the world is what's more important now. And he can still do that. He was all last year.

we we will we will we will see i'm not i'm not told i'm not told i think that it's very hard i also think that like give give me examples of people and i i know that this is like very rough off the top of your head but people who like are clearly washed okay and are able to and are able to come back in and rejuvenate chris didn't even finish the question yeah so for every example i'm glad you said that chris paul with his last year the rockets looked like shit we were calling him the worst contract in the NBA. Why? He was dealing with the same exact hamstring injury

that James Hardin has been dealing with the last year and a half. He came back a year and a half later, finally got the healthy with a healthy offseason and look at him. Sprite as fuck. We don't know what's going to happen with Hardin, but there's clearly the possibility, clearly the precedent.

I'm not going to write him off. Yeah. Okay, but that's my point is that is Chris Paul the precedent now or is he just an outlier because he's split. Paul and he's one of the greatest point guards of all time. He's one of the smartest point guards of all time. And so which is hard he's both of those things but is that but is that outside outside of chris paul who else is there because if you if the only person that you can name is Chris paul then he's the outlier at this point then he's not he's not okay he's not the precedent well I mean they're both they happen to be in the same circumstance it's hard to think of other people that were dealing with that injury that stage of their career so I see what you're at the end the day we'll see like I see exactly what you mean you might be right might be wrong time we'll tell yeah I'm just listen I'm just not high on on James hardon I'm

I think, especially in the playoffs, I think the playoff ceiling for this team is probably a second round exit the way that they have continued to be. And that's probably where they're going to be at. Mohamed, what do you give, what probability do you give the 76ers winning championship this year?

Percentive probability. Winning a championship is tough, bro. Winning a championship is so tough. I still would have personally. the Celtics and I want to say that I have the Nets Would I have the Nets over them? I don't know.

Actually, I take that back. I do not have the Nets over it. Let me pause you real quick. This is a really good opportunity to make a really good TikTok out of this. I'm going to list some teams and you'll let me know if they're more or less likely to win a championship than the 76ers. We're going team by team.

Let's go. The Bucks. The Bucks. More likely. Yeah, easy one. Cool. The Nets. see that's what i'll just stuck on okay okay i'm gonna say less more more likely i'm gonna say less

more likely i i was i would say more likely why you say more because i i i think that i i think that overall they have they have more talent than um than philadelphia does and even though that doc rivers is not a great coach um i would take doc rivers over steve mash and so in a in a vacuum i would say the Nets. Okay. I probably agreed the Nets have a little bit of a higher ceiling in the playoffs with their talent, but I think that one's close. Yeah.

The Cavaliers? Less. Yeah, way less. You think the seven years have a better chance to win the Cavaliers? Yeah, Sixers definitely do because they're more seasoned. All the pieces that are put in place and the vision is clear as hell, Hardens help. Yeah, like, more definitely. They would have, they would have the best, they would have the best, they would have

the best player on the floor in the playoff series. I think that, I think that matters a lot. I don't think that it's, like, far and away the Sixers, but I would say that Philly has a slightly ever better thing. I think if those two teams play each other, the Sixers would win, but I'm more confident in the Cavs to beat a lot of the other contenders than am the Sixers. Yeah. Yeah.

That makes sense. What about the Celtics? Less likely. Definitely less likely. No, you're saying, no, you're saying it's less like, it is less likely that the Philadelphia 76ers win a championship than the Boston Celtics. The question was, which are these teams more or less likely? So you mean more likely? Yes.

Oh, more likely. Gotcha. I just want to include that one in the video. Okay. With other contenders. Anybody else we should rattle off? Who else is in this range? Look, so if you look on, so like,

the Miami Heat, you look on Fandu right now. I would say that the heat are less likely to win. Okay. I agree. I'm definitely picking. Yeah, I'm, you did. I agree. The 76ers have a better chance in the heat. Yeah. So if you look on Fandu right now, the Sixers are plus 1,700 to win the championship.

I put them seventh, and the teams above them are Boston, Milwaukee. This is in order. Boston, Milwaukee, Brooklyn, the Clippers, the Warriors, and the Sons. And those are the six teams ahead of the Sixers. I think that that's very fair. Sure. Yeah. I'm cool. I'm cool with that. I think that's fair. The seventh best team in the NBA. That's fair. Again, this is a team that's going to have the most This might be the team besides the Nets

They're going to have the most variability going to next year The first month the season is going to tell us a lot About the 76ers Yeah, 100%. Cool, I think that's pretty much all we've got to say about this team I think it was a good discussion I don't agree. I'm good It's going to be fun to follow this team

It's going to be fun to follow this team Given how different we view them Yeah, that's funny Well now we're doing with the division preview Before we're up the show We're going to do some more TikTok segments. First off, last week you guys really love when we did this young player draft, so we're going to do another draft, but this time, we're going to draft all-time teams.

Any player in NBA history is on the table, we're going to one-on-one and draft the best starting five as possible. Letting y'all know I'm going to lose. I already know I'm going to lose. Listen, the comment section said I watched out last time, so we'll see what happens this time. Let's go in reverse order of last time. So I had the first week last time. So let's go Isaac Moe, and then I will go.

Yeah, I'm still in the same job. You got it next time Yeah, yeah, next time you'll be first And I'll be in the middle Gotcha All right Time for the TikTok hook Let's draft

Let's draft the best starting five possible all time First pick Obviously I'm going to LeBron James All right, that's fine I knew you was going to do that How could I not? Come on Okay

Second pick I just got to pick Michael Jordan Let's do it Naturally That's fine I'm at three give me Steph Curry and Shaquille O'Neal. That's exactly what I would have did if I was in third.

I was thinking about this. I'm right there. I'm right there. Exact column of I would have picked. Come on now. Go ahead. Your turn. All right.

I'm going to go ahead and you know who I need on my team? Give me Tim Duncan. Oh, Tim Duncan. Who's your first pick? Oh, you got Michael Jordan, Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan. That's nice. Listen, listen.

In 1995, you got it. You got it. Let's go. I'm out for blood. I got LeBron James. I got the creator. Do I want to go with a big man who can give me secondary offense in Kareem? Do you want to go with another wing, like layer birds?

I can stretch the floor. Do I want to go Kevin Durant? You know what? He's not the best player available, but I'm going to pick Kevin Durant just for the fit with LeBron. Give me these two big wings to build around. Okay. Who's next? Oh, I got the next pick, too, don't I?

Yeah, yeah, you got the snakes. Oh, let's go. This is tough Because I can pick somebody like Kobe Bryant And get even more shot making there Which would be fucking ridiculous To have that many killers But I think I'm gonna round out my team

In a smarter way Give me Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Wow That's nice Listen, he's arguably the goat too Okay In that tier one I gotta pick the best player available at this point

Yeah I respect it All right So it's in my turn Yeah All right cool So I got MJ And I also have

Tim Dunn So I'm going to need some shooting and I'm just going to go ahead and say it give me go I need Larry Byrd let's go let's run it's a good pick your team's nasty right now Yeah I need okay all right so I got step at the one We're gonna we're gonna go ahead and we're gonna take Kobe Bryant to put at the two Right I was scared of all to you I'm gonna have Stefan Kobe and then we have the three and three and four left to go with Shaq I'm just gonna go with the Twin Towers here. Give me Hakeem Elijah.

Damn. That's nasty. I mean, Hakeem's great, but that's a terrible fit. We're going to go Hakeem Shack. I think you folded. That's how we're going to. Yeah, that's nasty. That's nasty.

We're going to be okay. You're playing bully ball. Exactly. Go, Mom. All right. So I got M.J., Larry Bird, and I got Tim Duncan. so as of now I need a shit I need a guard

and I can't pick no other better guard than the best guard in NBA history and I need me some magic Johnson bro I need magic Johnson damn I was thinking about picking Magic Johnson to have blank disgusting

yeah your team's looking fucking sick right now I'm kind of jealous so I got my forwards and my bigs I need two guards ideally somebody who can exist off ball and I'm kind of drawing a blanche link right now on shooting guards who should I pick to be my two this is this is a tough pick for me with the with the fit I got going on I might have picked Larry Bird if he fell

with me but he didn't that's what I wanted I wanted I wanted Larry to fall I wanted Kobe and Larry you know what I do I'm gonna go with unconventional picks these aren't the best players by any means but I'm gonna go Chris Paul and Kauai Leonard wow off a fit Kauai's gonna be my two guard I'm gonna have a gigantic lineup he doesn't need the ball on his hands. Chris Paul doesn't necessarily need the ball in his hands. And I have a great player. I have a good amount of playmakers and offball shooters. Okay. Okay. Okay.

All right. I have two choices in mind. I have no idea where to go, though. It's not even my pick. No, it's my turn. It's my turn. Yeah. I'd be doing the most, but I don't give a fuck.

Uh-oh. I need some of these right here. I need me some of these right here. Oh, I forgot about Yonis, bro. I totally forgot about Yonis. I need Jannis. I'm sorry. He's in there, bro.

He's in that conversation early. He will be soon. Give me Yonis. So I got Larry. I pick Chris Paul and Yonis is on the board. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, bro.

I got Magic, MJ, Larry. Then I got Yonis. And then I got Tim Duncan. Oh, my goodness. No one can tell me none, bro. My team is disgusting. Oh, okay. y'all are done i have i have a three and i have step and i have kobe i have them in the

back court i have hakeem and chack bully ball up top i don't know if i should go straight bucket because listen i already know i already know i already know that if i go if i go with the straight buckets pick i'm probably going to get laughed at okay um remember to pick alan iverson i'm put cry no but i think okay here's what i'm doing i'm gonna go i'm gonna go straight buckets i'm give give me tracy mcgrady at the three i'm gonna go tracy mcgrady and and we'll go we'll go step coby mcgrady hakeem and and shack that's okay okay so let's list our full teams now so i got chris paul quay leonard lebron james kevin duret kreem adobe abdul jabar team i mean this he fits on paper

This team fits on people real well Your team is disgusting, bro I think in terms of this Pure greatness fits on paper as well I got Magic Johnson I got Magic Johnson Michael Jordan Larry Bird

Janice and also Tim Duncan This team is disgusting bro That seems absurd Jesus Christ So versatile So long, so big What?

Oh pause Paws I was it on purpose But bro My team is going hard Pause He can't help himself He can't help him

No that one was forced I didn't name your team Donovan And then I got Okay so I have Steph Curry Kobe Bryant Tracy McGrady Hakeem Olajuwon and Shaq I'm not gonna lie

Shit's on your team Two weeks in a row You managed to draft the worst team Of the bunch Yeah this is the worst I did not have the worst team last week I didn't have the worst You absolutely

I don't know The conversation disagrees Dude you picked You picked Desmond Bain I think y'all the screenshot and jaron jackson over what you picked desmond bain and you had jane jackson and you were on your team over jane over jane you pick you pick several people over jama but you're but your bugle was way worse though because he was on the team and like you you saw him on you had the team in your mind and you just perfectly skipped him you said you got him you skipped him too you skipped him too stop it stop it okay no no no no no no no because we all skipped

over, we all skipped over job like three times and then I'm just the one that's like, oh, you skipped over job. That's like, it's like when somebody's like, oh, the, the Knicks skipped over DeMitch. And it's like, so did 12 other teams, right? Everybody skipped on it. Now, but that's different though, because everybody passed over it. That's different, though, because the Knicks did not go ahead and select anyone who played for Louisville, you know what I'm saying?

If they were picked some random, then okay, that's like, they deserve that treatment, but it's different. No, you're not going to put skipping job just on me. That was a group thing. We all collectively We did that As a collective out That's funny

Okay, well We'll let the comment section decide Who has the best team this time But I'm willing to bet There's not gonna be allowed Donovan In those comments Yeah That's fine

That's fun I thank God You're out of GM bro Jesus Christ I'm shacking stuff card Like we're The only thing that you fuck me up Is that you pick Hakim

Like sure If we're playing in 70s But like with the fit Like you could have done anything You could have been Somebody else there I mean listen do I like regret not taking Janus maybe but it's okay like I'm not mad I'm not mad I'm not that I completely forgot that the Janus was on the board what I need is I need a draft board like

a fantasy football team we just need the players names on their by position yeah and I promise you if we do that I'm a visual learner right so we have that Domarin's name was in the text messages bro you didn't see that and that was there that was visual no we didn't put the names we didn't put names because it was an all-time draft. I regret picking Chris Paul. I should have picked, like, somebody big to be like another guard there in the Bronco Playpoint guard. I should have, like, I don't know, Dway, I should pick Luca Dantje.

I could have just had like the most gigantic long lineup possible. Yeah, I have zero risk, bro. I think we can all agree with my shit is no one can say none about my team, bro. You're going to be real bad. You're going to be pissed when the comment section all says I want again. You're going to be heated. Hell, hell, hell, hell, hell, hell, hell, I'm sorry, I'm good of drafting teams. What can I say?

I'll be convinced you guys don't know if you pick Isaac over me, period. Okay, okay. Let's be one to the next topic. All right. Now we're going to do start one, bench one, cut one. First one. All right. Brandon Ingram, Jalen Brown, Dejante Murray.

Okay, I'm starting, I'm starting Brandon Ingram. I'm benching Jalen Brown and I'm cutting Dejante Murray. Yeah, bro. Okay. That is, that is, this pains me to say, but I'm starting Brandon Ingram. I am benching Jailen Bram. Brown and I'm cutting Dejante's kind of in a separate. He's in a tier

a couple tiers below these guys, or a tier two below these guys. For a long time, I've been on Brandon Ingrams better than Jalen Brown, but I think I'm going to start Jaylon Brown bench Brandon Ingram, cut Dejante Murray. I think with the developments Jaylen Brown's made to his handle and his driving

ability, mixed with his defense, that's flawed, but still better than Ingrams. I'd rather have him in my starting lineup. Can't be mad at it. That's fair. That's fair. I'm also just fucking trying to be different Okay Next one

Darius Garland Lamello Ball and Drew Holiday I am going to start Okay this this one is actually tough I think like in a vacuum Okay in a vacuum I think I would start Garland And bench Drew Holiday

But I think if I'm like If I have like a championship team That's like a win now type of thing Like the bucks had I would start Drew then bench Garland And Lamello's getting cut. Yeah, I'm easily starting garland, benching Drew, cutting Lamello. It's clear cut for me.

Wow, man. Am I alone? I'm the lone soldier right here, bro. I'm the only believer in Lamello ball in this bitch. That's so crazy because I'm starting Garland definitely. Like, that should just be the standard for ever when you're saying. You're cutting Drew? Yeah, I'm cutting Drew, bro.

Like, I'm definitely. You think today right now Lamello Ball is better than Drew Holiday? Yeah, that's not crazy to say. That's not. That's absurd. I'm nuts. I'm not nuts, man. You're a mad man.

I respect you so much. You shouldn't be. Not enough. I think you're underrated in the type of season Lamello ball had lessons. I think that's what it is. You both of you.

The biggest. I already told you before that man Lamello. You can't call him the biggest choker, bro. Low key. Low key, one of the biggest chowice in the league. He's 20, man. Who cares? I'm not even saying all that,

but Drew Holliday is Drew Holiday. He's arguably the best point guard defender in the NBA, which I would say. Yes. And given the. Given the efficient, he was ridiculously efficient last year. Most people sleep on that. He had the most efficient year of his career.

He's a 40% three-point shooter. He's clearly better than lamella ball at this moment. In the future, I won't be the case. But right now, the inconsistencies be killing me, bro. The inconsistency is offensively, me, bro, in some of the biggest moments and things like, things of that nature. And because of Lamella ball's, of course, the vision. Lamella ball has that.

What are we talking about? Oh, my God, bro. The vision is what separates them for me, bro. The vision, it's the vision. It's the vision. It's the vision. You don't have the vision. It's the defense.

I can respect that, bro. Yeah, it's okay, though. Oh, my God. That's funny. Okay, last one. Damien Lillard, Jason Tatum, Paul George. This is the hardest one. Okay, so we are going to start Damian Lillard.

Okay. We're going to, yeah, we're going to start Dame. We are going to bench Paul, uh, yeah, we're going to bench Paul George. And we're going to cut Jason Taylor. Wow. We're going to cut Tatum. I'm also going to start Lillard. I think that Paul George, I think that Paul George, I think that Paul,

George is that much of a better playmaker than Tatum is. I don't know if that's a case anymore. Not, again, not by a lot, but I think that, I think that, I think that Paul George is a little bit better of a playmaker. I think Paul George can play off ball better than Tatum can. And I think that that versatility is what puts him over the top. Okay. I'm, I'm going to start Damien Blurt as well. We're in the greens there.

This bench and cut one between the two forwards is tough. I'm going to, I'm going to bench Jason Tatum. mostly because what we saw last year his defensive versatility now is so high and Paul George is a little bit older he's not the defender he once was he's still good but Tatum's on the level on that end right now and I think their offensive skills

are comparable. Yeah literally copy and pace I'm starting holy shit my mind just went blank for a second anyways I'm starting day yeah I'm starting day Mueller and then I'm benching Jason Tatum and I'm putting PG 13 all up on the bench roll sad to say it hurts but I just think that

Tatum is like that now like you said earlier the playmaking, like, I, I don't think it's that absurd of a difference to put Jason Tatum, or to cut Jason Tatum, and put him over. I just don't see it, bro. I just don't see it. Yeah. Let's do one more to sort of. Tray Young, John Morant, Zion Williamson. We're going to start, we're going to start, Tray Young. Okay. We're going to bench, we're going to bench John Morant, and we're going to cut Zion. Oof, cutting Zion is tough Yeah You're cutting You're gonna cut 27 points per game On 65% you're shooting his sense He need to cut them calories

He need to cut them out Oh my god He said Zion needs to get on keto Yeah That's the only reason Just because he's fat He can't move like that No

I'm gonna start Tray Young as well I think I want to binge Zion over Jha Jha was better last year Obviously because Zion was hurt but I'm still a believer that when they're both healthy Zion's going to be the better player Look, I damn here I kind of agree with that though

Look, it's tough though because he hasn't been healthy I damn near so my soul to Try Young and surprising enough I'm going to have to bench him and Start Zion Williamson because I just think That Zion, yeah, bro At the end of the season right now I may look crazy But at the end of the season I'm not going to look crazy

Because I think Zon is going to have that type of an MVP type season For me personally. I respect It has nothing to do with Tray Young at all. I think it's going to be great. It's just that, yo, I just think that this dude is just simply better. And there's nothing, basically, that you can do about it, period. This is true.

Listen. Y'all got to kick the curve, though, for the, for the sake of my fantasy basketball team, I hope you're right on Zion. I hope he has an MVP type season. I hope we're seeing the same thing. That's funny. But that's all the topics I have. Is that all of them?

Yeah, we're going to do player matchups, but I forgot to think of some, so I don't have anything else. If you guys have any more topics you want to get before we get out of here, maybe we can use one or two more. But I think I'm good. This is a perfect opportunity to ask y'all, the viewers watching this right now, to go ahead and drop us some topics that you possibly want featured in the video. For sure. Again, like always, leave your hot takes every week. We're going to give six of you a chance to be on the show, and we're going to respond to your topics. So drop those hot takes as always.

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moronic. I don't know. But that's what you're willing to risk. Luck of the draw. I don't know. Yeah. All right.

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