The Deep 3 Podcast - The Suns Are DONE With Chris Paul, But Why? | Ep. 40
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So today, obviously, we got to start by talking about the NBA finals.
We're three games into it.
The nuggets are up to one.
It's been great.
But first, first things first, we got to tell the people about our merch that is finally
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Let's talk about these NBA finals.
I think we all came into it expecting the Nuggets to be up 2-1 by now, maybe even 3-0.
So what's your old general takeaway?
What's changed from your perspective?
Nothing for me.
Nothing has changed.
I think a lot of people after game two try to do like some overcorrection and like a lot of people really, really would like, oh, well, listen, like the heat, like they're in control of this series.
like they're going they're going back home like if they can get game three they can really flip this
and it was like it was never going to be that Denver was never going to go down to one they played
as bad of a fourth quarter as they could have in game two Miami played as good of a fourth quarter as
they could in game two and I just feel like even going into game three Denver had won a majority
of the quarters like they're playing just better basketball than Miami and so I never understood
the idea that the heat
we're going to legitimately take control of the series
and go up to one.
So like we are, like you said,
we are where I thought we would be at this point.
And so everything is just chalk right now.
I'm crying, dude.
Yeah, that's the same way.
Yeah, like,
looking back at Eric Spolster's post-game conference
about like,
or Ramona Shelburne asked him about a question.
He asked, she asked him about her and his entire game plan
of Hyde Gardner.
Nicole Yooker's or whatever and she basically said like the truth I would say or
released to the naked eye and Eric Sposa felt like he was like hold your horses like
this shit is not going to be that easy and like we sell what they tell people what
she said because she was basically implying that the way people decide to guard him
is either allowing him to be a playmaker and double teaming him so he can't score or
allowing him to be a score and not helping off him so he gets buckets he doesn't get to
kill people with his passing that's what she implied that they were doing
And Eric Spolcher was like, that's bullshit.
You don't know what you're looking at.
You don't know what you're looking at.
Untrained eye.
I feel like that's a Hall of Fame slur right there.
Not slur, but it's a hall of it.
I mean, listen, the way Spolcher said it, he meant as a slur.
All right.
Untrained eye.
It might seem that way to the untrained eye, but it's not that simple.
You can't make him a score.
He's too good for that.
And I think what he meant by that, first off, there is something to that.
But Ramona Shelburne didn't pull that out of her.
ass.
Yeah.
There is something, too, you decide to double team him or you decide not to double team him.
I think he was just being a bit of a dick about it.
And what he meant was, it's not as black and white as, like, let him score or don't let him
score.
It's more like, the priority is not to let everybody else score, and he's going to do his thing
regardless, but it's not about letting him score.
I think he was being a little bit of a dick about the specific language.
What she said wasn't.
She wasn't off topic that much.
Yeah, it sounded like, I feel like the reason why he was a dick is because it, me,
may have felt like oh wow you think my job is that easy like he
he made it seem like we were everyone was like oversimplifying his job and all
like the insane brainiac type of research and stuff that he does in the back end of
things so yeah overall a lot times people definitely oversimplify NBA coaching so I
could tell why he'd be a little uh yeah sensitive about the topic yeah yeah exactly but
overall like with this series I think I said that the Denver Nuggs will probably win this
I had them in six.
I just feel like some way somehow,
maybe he will go ahead and win two games,
but I don't think they got anything else after that.
And even if it goes to a game seven,
I'm still probably going to take the Denver Nuggets.
But I still stay ten toes down with my original prediction.
This is going to be over in six.
And they're just simply like outmatched.
You can only get so many good games out of a bam, out of bio,
and also Jimmy Brother, who's been,
he hasn't been that good
and he's been a mid
yeah he's been
that ankle injuries
you could tell us
slung him down a little bit
he's not quite as
doesn't have the burst he had
in the first couple series
but let's talk about
why they won a game
because like Donovan said
a lot of people
their first reaction
to them winning a game
was like
oh maybe the nuggets
are beatable
because that's the first
other nuggets
have lost a home game
in the whole playoffs
so a lot of people
were like
listen we've died of the heat
for four series
and every time they prove us wrong
maybe they're proving us wrong
again and they can win it all
but
Like Donovan said, they played the best fourth quarter imaginable and they shot the shit out of the ball like they do in most of their wins. So maybe that's just the thing they do. But I think the main thing was Denver's defense was horrible. They were incredibly disciplined. Yeah, they made the most mindless fouls at anyone. You would think you're watching like, you're thinking you're watching youth basketball with the way KCP was flying around and just doing the most like insane things. And then also like while. Yeah, exactly.
you're doing the crazy you're just like not using your head on defense you have people like
gave vincent who was one of the he's a foul merchant is clear as day he's one of the i didn't know he was
one of the best in the NBA until i started watching these files but he's just doing the most
egregious things to get that call off and it's working so i felt like Denver had everything
going the wrong way against them in that game but even then like they still were in the game
and that just goes to show how good of a team this is and they're just outmatched in my mind yeah
yeah their defense is really takes
terrible, and they just gave up way too many.
Like you said, KCP fouled two three-point shooters.
Michael Porter, Jr. was defending, like, rookie Michael Porter, Jr., just not, no clue where
he was on the court at any time.
And the zone defense at the heat liked to run that before the series started, we talked
about just won't work against Yokish.
It worked a little bit in game two.
Yokic had four assists and five turnovers.
Like, they were able to make the nuggets uncomfortable, mostly because Jamal Murray
couldn't get going the whole game.
It was like a C-minus Jamal Murray game.
I don't remember his exact stat line, but it was not.
nothing special but these are all things that we're pointing to that like the nuggets just played
bad like it wasn't a whole lot of like adjustments the heat made from game one the big adjustment
was starting Kevin Love so Aaron Gordon doesn't have the big size advantage over Caleb Martin
but I don't think we think they won because Caleb Martin didn't start right Kevin Love wasn't the
answer Caleb I mean listen it it helps right it helps because in game one because Aaron Gordon
was just bullying them in game one right and if they had stuck with what they were doing then
then like they then the nuggets could have gotten away with a bad yokech game and they could
have gotten away with a bad murray game because erin gordon was just going to bully game vincent
for 48 minutes right so like you're by putting kevin love in the starting lineup you forced
denver to actually start you know showing the cards going going to the bread and butter and making
sure that like okay you guys are actually going to have to play basketball to beat us and you're not
just going to you know overpower so i think that helps a little bit even in game three like
Kevin Love he starts the game off with the with the three there's some there's some shots that he
that he can make you know there's a little bit of spacing that he provides um so I don't think
it's like it's a good move yeah yeah it just not it's not like a checkmate that like
people were like you said people were acting like after game two that he had like a much bigger
chance and they thought they had before and I just don't think that's the move that made that
happen you know I don't why don't I don't think it Loki could have but I think part of
the problem that's not going to look that way
is because Jimmy Butler is just
off like his ankles
cooked and he had a
he had a good first quarter in game
three but after that he didn't really provide
much and so it's like BAM
at a bio is the best offensive
player that he have had this entire series
which is wild because if you
told me coming into the series that BAM was
going to average 23 he was going to be knocking
down mid-range jumpers the way that he is
I would think like hey
potentially if he's if he's playing like that
then maybe Miami might be up to one.
But Jimmy Butler just hasn't been able to be playoff Jimmy,
the guy that we lauded him for the first three rounds of the series,
and it's really, really hurting Miami right now.
Yeah, it's also because the heat,
I mean, the nuggets are forcing the heat to beat them with mid-range jump shots.
They're giving him that open every single time
because Yokic is playing a huge drop
and just like saying you're not getting to the rim at all.
I saw a stat earlier that the heat players are shooting 23% worse at the rim
when contested by Nicola Yokic.
He's defending his ass off at the rim as a rim protector because they're playing a huge drop.
So all Bam has is those floaters and mid-range pull-ups.
So when he hits him, cool, but it doesn't shock me he's hitting those because they're wide open
and Nicole Yokish doesn't even put his fucking hand up most of the time.
I mean, listen, we've seen, we've seen Bam not be able to make shots wide open before.
So, like, the fact that he's been able to come out and look as aggressive every single game
and be able to take advantage of what Denver is giving him, that's a really big step for him.
And it's a really good thing for Miami moving forward.
They need to, whatever drugs that they be given the horses, they need to give Jimmy Butler, right?
His ankle needs to be fixed tonight because, like, if they go down 3-1, the series is obviously over.
There's nowhere they're beating Denver three straight.
And they have to get it to 2-2 and they're going to need Jimmy Butler to show up.
Even if he does what he did in game six of the conference.
finals where he has a terrible first three quarters but somehow it's like an eight point game in
the fourth quarter and jimmy's like i guess i'll make a couple shots now and and shows up in the
fourth quarter whether you need to like load to manage him within the game do whatever you need to but
there has to be some creation from him and he can't just be a decore the entire game you know what you
need that sounds like you need tyler hero man apparently his hand just gets numb every time he touches
the basketball so I think he might be cooked
he's done he's done he's not coming back
he's not coming back for game four
that's what that was confirmed earlier today he's still out
he said every time he goes on the court
and tries to get shots up his hand goes numb
so
they showed him
they showed his hand
I think it was before
either game six or game seven of the conference
finals and he didn't have the
rap on but it still looked swollen
his hand looked crazy swollen
it looked like discolored I don't listen I don't think it did anybody any favors by showing
Tyler here a warm up on the court and it's very clear that that hand is not okay yeah yeah he would
definitely help them right but I just I'm not I'm gonna assume he's missed so much time that
even if he comes back he's gonna be a shell of what you thought Tyler here would be so I'm not
even gonna like think about that as an addition they're gonna have for the series but to
give Miami some credit after we're basically been talking about how we still think
the nuggets are going to win pretty easily
which that's the general takeaway, but to give them credit,
I just love watching them play because we talked about how they beat the Celtics
by just basically putting them under immense pressure all the time
and forcing the Celtics to make decisions,
and they didn't have a lot of playmakers, so they can't do that very well.
But it's interesting how, like, that style of play seems like it'll work
against almost any talent level.
Like, the heat are going to be in every game.
They're so hard to blow out.
Like, granted, we just saw them lose pretty bad in Game 3,
so maybe this isn't true, but the fact that the way they play,
by just making everything incredibly hard on defense
and making enough plays and enough shots
to keep themselves in the game to the fourth quarter.
That's just a really interesting style of play
that I wonder if we're going to see other teams
try to replicate going forward.
I don't know.
Try to replicate?
No.
I don't think it's trying to replicate.
If you cannot play like the Miami Heat, right?
Like if the heat wanted to play better basketball,
if they wanted to make more shots and do stuff like that,
like obviously they would try to.
this is what we've seen from the heat is them pulling together every asset that they have
playing a little bit above their means because they've shot like 50% from three like four of
the last like seven games or something stupid like that nuts the shot making from the heat has
been insane in this playoff run it so if you want to say yeah every team in the NBA will
love to shoot 50% from three yeah I guess I guess so but I think like this like hang it around
and you equated to football it's kind of like the okay you
you know, play good defense, run the ball, right?
It'll be a one-possession game in the fourth quarter.
I feel like people kind of fall into that,
in basketball, more so than football.
But you kind of fall into that just because you don't have that high-end talent.
Yeah.
I mean, that's the only team.
I mean, I guess you can say the Knicks and the Grizzies are kind of similar
in the last few years.
Hmm.
I'm playing like, no, that's like the Knicks' old thing, too.
And the Grizzies, like, winning with rebounding,
turnover battles, transition.
like it's not like it's my it's not groundbreaking to win with a little stuff you know what I mean
yeah but I guess more so what makes the heat special is they do that while also having a very
egalitarian offense with a guy in that in the fourth quarter can take over he kind of like
coast the whole game and keeps everybody involved so they can stay above ground and then fourth
quarter he turns on that mode and does what he has to do attack and mismatches that's an interesting
combination I guess the next are kind of similar with brunson and randall like brunson kind of
does that in the fourth quarter to two
yeah but he doesn't as much he doesn't as much coast in the first half like
jimmy does sometimes yeah and he's he is he is 100% like directing the offense every
single play where yeah we're like you said with with miami you have a lot of stuff where
where bam is bam is at the top of the key right we're they're running uh dhos off of off of him
trying to find cutters trying to find shooters but i think the big the biggest thing for
Miami this series is
you got Max Struce and
Caleb Martin combining
for 11 points a game
Not great
That's not that's not great
Celtics fans have to be sick
Watching they are they are 100%
That's terrible that's trash
That's trash yeah
I follow a lot of Celtics fans and they are very
upset they're like
They got hit with the voodoo black magic
Power of Friendship
this must be the other
Martin twin playing from the Hornets
Row because there's no way like this is the same
dude who was literally
giving Jason Tatum buckets in a
game 7 and also game 6 throughout their
entire series so
like the only ways I
imagine the Miami heat coming
back and making this
series interesting
again it's still interesting let me
I hate that I said that
making the series like yeah
it's basketball but making
giving
the Denver Nuggets a serious run for their money and like, you know, step me up to the plate.
As if, of course, like Donovan alluded to earlier, if they hit hell of threes, that's just like
their go-to thing throughout this entire postseason run.
They are hitting insane shots.
Gabe Vincent has been ridiculous.
And Caleb Martin and Max Trues and all them guys, it's either that or Jimmy Buller has to, like,
actually come to life.
And I don't know if either of those things are attainable because as time has gone on
through this postseason run
like both things have been tanking
slowly so
I think they just
Josh Hartman
yeah Josh Hart destroyed Jimmy Butler's ankle
Oh my God bro
Get out of here
Motherfucking
But
Let's talk about
Go ahead
No you go ahead
You go ahead
Okay I was gonna say
Let's talk about the team that won game three
Yes let's talk a little about the Nuggets
Because
Man
After game two
Like we said they lost mostly
Because their own mistakes
and their own lack of effort on defense
and playing the worst possible game
that could play for finals intensity.
But game three,
game three, we saw the best version
of this Nuggets team
that has us confident again
they're going to win the series.
Yes.
Bro.
Not only did Nicole Yokic
have 30 points,
20 rebounds, and 10 assists.
Jamal Murray had a 30 points.
I was going to mention the exact same thing.
Since I didn't catch a game in live time last night
or whenever it was,
yeah, last night,
I had to rewatch the game
and I noticed while
I was watching these games like, damn, like, this dude, Jamal Murray is kind of diving shit up.
Like, why?
Like, I go ahead and I look at the stats.
He's average 10 assists each and every game so far this post so far in the NBA finals.
And there was this one play specifically to where he was about to get doubled closer to the
half court line.
Kind of he was like 30, 30, he was like 30 feet away from the basket.
And he went ahead and jumped in the air and kind of did a double clutch shot.
But he ended up swinging it to, I think, the rookie, what's his name, Brown?
Brown, yeah, Braun.
And he looked like, don't call him Braun.
It looked like he was going to swing it to Yolkich, but he double clutched it and swung it.
And a ball looked like it kind of had a curve.
Maybe I'm chirping or maybe, I don't know, but it was an insane pass that he made to him.
And that's something that a lot of people who didn't see in Jamal Murray's game earlier in his career.
And so just seeing him take major strides and leaps and be like a legit like secondary star to Nicole Yokic is insane.
And this is going to, he just got his rep officially in the NBA and there's zero chance that he doesn't become an all-star next year unless he's like ass.
Oh, for sure.
Unless he's injured again.
Yeah.
You're 100% right.
The big two takeaways from last night is once again, every realized Nicole Yokic is one of one.
He is of course.
One of the most talented offense players I've ever seen.
One of the most skilled big man, whatever, whatever all-time thing you want to put on it.
He is that guy.
People are saying, like, he's our generation's Larry Bird, whatever.
Like, there's comparisons flying around.
Whatever you want to say about him, absolutely true.
But Jamal Murray is not just, like, the skilled point guard that's there.
If he comes back healthy, they can make a run.
He's a legitimate second star that is not as important as Murray.
Not as important as Yokic, but, man, it's damn near.
Like, he is super vital to this team.
Yeah, he's important to them in terms of.
just like amplifying what the Denver nuggets are good at and how they should be playing
and he makes Yokic's life so much easier because Jamal Murray's he's one of the more easily
one of the most aggressive guards in the entire NBA he's always looking to for the most part
get his shit off that was his thing coming into um pause but that was his thing um getting out
of Kentucky stuff like that so for him to make these type of strides huh I said that wasn't a pause
You didn't even need to pause that.
That's why Isaac did.
I felt like I, whatever, regardless of the fact, this dude, Jamal Murray, he is, I think, quite literally the greatest playoff riser in NBA history.
I think I saw that that said he, his career average it in points per game in the regular season is like 17 to 18.
And in the playoffs, it's 25.5.
That's an insane jump.
Yeah.
That's an insane leap, one to none.
It's nuts, man.
What's it called?
Listen, it's what's crazy and like, I think my take away from the Nuggets, game, game three win is a little bit different.
And I think it's, they still have another level to go to.
Through three games, I still don't feel that the Nuggets have, like, have played a complete game.
And I feel like, I feel like, like coach, I feel like, like, that's just like coach speak.
Like, after every game, every coach is going to, is going to, is going to.
to tell you whether you win or loss or we have another level to go to Denver actually does Michael
Porter Jr. hasn't been great this series. He shot one for seven in game three. It's been trash.
KCP was one for four. Bruce Brown was one for five. They still have a lot of the key guys who
haven't shot well. And so for game three, I saw that more of okay, Yokic and Murray are picking up
the slack for everybody and like they're they're on and they're doing their job. If they,
like in game four, I think that at least one of MPJ, KCP, Bruce Brown, one of those guys is going
to have a good game offensively. And at the bare minimum, if they can stop fouling three-point
shooters, which it seems that one of the three does every quarter. They are, they're fouling
three-point shooters like nobody's business. That's probably why Miami is staying in, in each of
these games, because they're getting a free three to six points every quarter. But I,
Those guys, those guys, if one of them can go off,
I think Denver easily beats Miami in game four.
I think that they already will beat Miami in game four,
but they could have another blowout win.
Yeah.
It's interesting to say that those role players are struggling,
and they still won by 20 because that just shows their depth,
because Christian Brown just took over
and just decided the third quarter was his quarter,
or maybe it was the early fourth quarter,
and he just was attacking off the dribble,
defending his ass off, getting turnovers,
is like, when you have the ability to have Michael Porter Jr. and Chris Casey P. and Bruce Brown, Bruce Brown, suck like you said. And you're still have role players to give you contributions. And they're good role players. Like, you're like six players deep at that point. That's incredible.
We're not even watching basketball right now with the Nuggets. It feels like.
Christian Brown's with their ninth of best player and he's taking over games in the fourth quarter. That's ridiculous depth.
He's a rookie. That's insane.
Shout out to their scouting team, man.
God damn, they're elite.
Yeah.
And it's so funny because, like,
and it really just comes down to
they need two players to go off
next to Yokic.
Yokish is never going to have a bad game.
It's impossible.
All he does is eat.
You just got to have one of your star level players
do well, and then one of the role players.
Game two, they lost because Jamal Murray
wasn't on shit and none of the role players were.
Game three, Jamal Murray was on a lot of shit
doing crazy and Christian Brought took over.
That's all you need.
Yeah, the formula is very,
simple. So I think, I'm happy
though, I think we're all in agreement that
Denver's, we all think
that Denver's going to win game four, right?
I don't know game to game, but I know
Denver's going to win the series. Stand on something, Isaac.
He never want to pick. Lame. That's what I'm
saying. What do you mean? I said Denver's going to win the
series. I just told you. Man, who's going to win the next
game? I asked the question. Is Denver
going to win game four? Yes or no?
It's a, that's a one
Sure. Yes. Thank you. Yes. Yes, they're going to win.
Thank you. Mo.
I think I'm just I think Denver is going to lose game for
Do I truly believe that? No, not not anymore, but I'm only saying that because I have to stay ten toes to my original prediction
And if they're gonna win a game if Miami's gonna win two games and they're gonna win a game in Miami
Zero chance they win again in Denver like that's I just don't envision a world in that happening whatsoever
So I think this is there one one in Denver
Not another one they're not only there are one winning two in Denver
It's crazy as hell.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Whether they win one more game or no more games,
I don't care about how fast never wins.
I don't have a strong prediction that way,
but I would bet a lot of money that Denver is going to win the series.
If they do go ahead and win this series, man, oh man.
If I'm a star player, I am salivating over the opportunity to go ahead and go to Miami
because, like, that's literally picture perfect.
Even though, yeah, like, you know, they have pieces, quote, unquote,
they're not they're clearly like one of the worst
I hate to say this but they're not
they're not up there when it comes to
best Eastern Conference teams over the last few years
or best NBA finals teams over the last few years at all
they're probably the worst I don't know man I mean I mean
no but they keep making it so yeah so like
at a certain point we have to re-evaluate what makes a good team
in this conference because they've been to three
conference finals in the last four years two NBA finals
like at a certain point there they are
the best team in this conference like you can only ignore results so much that is that is true but
holistically thinking comparing all the other teams that they had that have made the eastern
conference finals or came out of the eastern conference over the last few years i'm pretty much taking
you know the other team over this current miami this current miami heat squad i'm taking like
the 2020 miamii over this team for sure why just like the same team tyler hero
Tyler here's not dead
We're talking about next year
Tyler here's going to be there
Yeah I'm dead
I'm dead
I'm dead
But yeah
Actually
Which team is better
I'm I think I'm taking
BAM is a lot better this year
The only difference in 2020 is
Jimmy was healthy
And Tyler Hero was there
But like Gabe Vincent's here now
Max Trues
Caleb Martin
Like I think this team's probably better
When I think Caleb Martin
Caleb Martin
Listen he had a very good
seven games
Right
K. Lamar, like I said earlier, he's averaging 5.3 points per game.
He's showing us why he got cut.
This is why.
Well, listen, Gay Vincent wasn't here in 2020.
Gabe Vincent is nice.
No, I like Gabe Vincent, but there's a lot of, there's a lot of other guys.
I might take 2020 Duncan Robinson over, wow, we are in the weeds right now.
Man.
I think I'm taking 2020 Duncan Robinson over this version of Duncan.
I like he's the same player people just didn't people just know how to guard him now exactly the element of surprise is
gotcha i'll take that i'll take j crowder because he was a little bit more playable than than kevin love um yeah they
they had some i think 2020 was a was a was a was a good that was a good heat team yeah jay crowder's a good
a good reason to pick that team um man yeah man i i guess you can move
on. I guess, well, I don't even know if we're going to have a chance to talk about the series
again before it ends because we do it once a week. The series might fuck around to be over
by this time next week if they win in five. True. Congratulations. Denver Nuggets. You are
the 2023 NBA champions. Congratulations. God, doesn't it suck that Nicola Yokic is not
going to have, imagine if you actually won MVP this year, he would have easily like one of the
Don't get me started. I know. It's okay. You can, don't get me going. You can put your swords down.
Okay.
We got robbed of one of the all-time three-year runs you've ever seen.
Yeah.
Which, granted, it's just to be fucking MVP.
It doesn't even fucking matter.
This is just as impressive.
If you still have the same season?
Yeah, exactly.
It sucks because that's the type of stuff that matters when you talk about the game 10 years from now.
Yeah.
And it would have been such a strong on-paper argument.
Okay.
Question.
So, assuming that Miami does lose this series by the time we record this again, where do you go next if you're then?
let's save that for next week when they actually lose we'll play in time to dive into that
okay okay okay keep that in mind that's a long conversation that's a long conversation so
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right now the sons are just throwing Chris Paul's old ass into the garbage or moving on
it was reported by Chris Haines
that they straight up cut him yesterday
and then Shams reported 30 minutes later
that false, they didn't cut him yet
they're probably going to but they're meeting with him
and they're going to decide if they can figure out a trade
figure out a way to cut him
and have him re-sign under a smaller deal
or if they're going to wave him all together
and have him and find a new team
but whatever way it goes
it seems like they've decided
they're not paying him and they're probably done with them
waving him is crazy dude
yeah that was a crazy tweet you see just pop up
yeah is this the right move by the sons yeah well i mean actually no if you're if you're not
going to get anything for chris paul like at least get a second round pick or do something but if you're
going to waver you can at least get that and just try and get some type of assets back but
i don't think that there is a world where if you have devon booker and kevin durand we talked a lot
about it whenever chris paul was out you had nobody to initiate the offense for that team and you
just had two guys who are amazing 21 players and they can go get buckets anytime that they want right
yeah and listen king of the court three dribbles give me devon booker give me kd but in a five in a five
in a five-on-five playoff series i need a distributor i need somebody to set up the offense and even though
that chris paul gets her every year it's still nice to have one of the greatest basketball minds
on your team
and I think cutting him
for nothing
is a mistake
it's assinine
I mean some simple
simple in plain
it's assigne
yeah
it's purely a financial thing right
like if he was making
a small amount of money
they would keep him
and they would trade him
if they could
but nobody wants that big contract
so yeah
if they could find a trade
and get value
great but it's like
they tried right
you only do this type of move
and cut him
if you have like a promise
And it sounds like we're not going to, we're not going to get this just now, but like they have something in the back of their pocket because you just don't make a move like this out of nowhere just because you want to be done with them and save money.
You have to plan out for that money.
And it sounds like they already have something in the back of their pockets, something that they've already brewed and planned over the last few weeks since they've been shuffling front offices or people in front office or whatever.
So now, like that's the only thing that makes sense.
Because like Donovan said, aside from who KD and Devonberger, who can once in a while, like, you know, create plays for others and whatnot, that's not necessarily their bags.
I would say, even though they're hired at it.
Like, there's no, there's no other than that and also, like, finances, like, there's no real way to make this make sense, you know?
Like.
Yeah, but what's the, what's the, you said that there's probably a promise of a person they're going to get to replace them.
Who?
Katie does not want to play with Kyrie again.
why would he?
Kyrie just flicked him over several times.
Hell no.
Fred Van Vleet.
Is that a Fred Van Vleet sign and trade maybe?
It's hardened.
It sounds like it's hardened.
I don't know, but we're seeing,
we'll get to harden a little bit,
but we're seeing a lot of reports that he's from Woj
that he's torn between Houston and the 76ers.
He's not torn.
He's not torn.
He knows what he's going.
He's coming back to the city.
He's coming back to Houston.
That's happening.
I mean,
there's always a chance he's going to Phoenix,
but it doesn't seem like as a strong possibility.
I feel like they, I view it as they probably, they have to be comfortable going to next year without Chris Paul and with no replacement.
The only way you can do that is if you're okay with the outcome where you have nobody to replace them.
And that's kind of crazy, isn't it?
That doesn't sound like something Matt Isbia would go ahead and co-sign and approve though.
Like if you're going to be hella aggressive and trade for KD and then backhandedly lose someone who's not like one of the greatest point, he's not the greatest point out right now, but one of the greatest programs of all time.
and you'll be fine with letting Cameron Payne cook.
It's like, dude, what are we doing at this point?
Why even trade for KD if you're good?
It doesn't make sense to trade for Katie if you just plan on letting CP3 go and having
Cameron Payne rock.
Like you're,
I promise you.
Campaign is not going to be rocking like that.
I hope not.
He's not.
What this shows me, though, is not only that they are like, they're done with Chris Paul
because of the finances.
DeAndre,
is out of there he is the biggest he's the biggest asset that they have and i think that they
i think phoenix understands that they need they need a point guard and you saw in last
playoffs they were able to get a little bit more out of jock landau that they were able then they were
able to get out of uh out of dandre aton you go ahead you trade aton you get yourself a point guard
back that can actually play and actually stay healthy and then you will find replacements and
filler guys at the center position and just trying to fill out that that's like who though i think
it's also it's important to have a point guard but i think it's also important they have a big man too
and i feel like that's very it's easier for us to say like find another point guard and find
another big bismac bionbo was given the minutes but bismac bionbo a couple years ago was given the
minutes because they had a really effective chris paul leading it and it's really easy when you
have that point guard there but if you don't have chris ball it's a lot harder to just like
find filler bigs and you're going to need a big when you have katy and devon booker as your best
players because that's not the pillars of a strong defense there i mean yes but if you have but if you
have katy and booker dandre aton is useless if you don't have a point guard there he's third
he's third on like the offensive depth chart right there and it's not if you are running
post-ups for dionre aton and he's not like a he's not a great passer out of out of the double
team if he starts getting going so i don't trust him to find to find to find to find
find book. I don't trust him to find KD. I don't trust him to create offense for himself like
that. He he's been at his best in in Phoenix and partially because like just Phoenix took off around this
time. But when him and Chris Paul are running that that pick and roll, that's when he's been at his
best. If you take his number, if you take the number one thing away from him, I don't know what
he's going to be. And it's kind of the same situation that, um, that you're talking about with Chris
Paul because DeAndre Aiton is also making too much money for what I'm asking him to do.
So I'd rather pay somebody $30 million because their role is probably a little bit more
valuable than what DeAndre Aiton is right now.
He's too talented to be the third option to be getting that much money to just be eh.
So he has to, he has to go.
What does that look like though?
is it is
I don't know what route you can go
that you end up with a decent big to replace them
plus a point guard.
Marcus,
you are a Phoenix son.
DeAndre Aiden, welcome to the Boston Celtics.
Hal Horford, you are a Phoenix son.
That would be kind of hard.
Yeah, the whole problem is Robert Williams
and DeAndre Aten is a war crime.
Yeah, exactly it is.
But Robert Williams
Together, yuck.
Yeah, I just don't know what deal is out there.
Like, do they want DeAngelo Russell?
Hell no.
I mean, listen, probably not, but if you're paying DeAngelo Russell, or not even if you are,
if you are not paying DeAngelo Russell $47 million, it doesn't look too bad of an option.
So I would consider it if I were them, I know he would.
was trash in the playoffs and that and that always is yeah but guess what chris paul is also not
there so like do you want somebody there or do you want cameron pain running your running your
offense for 82 games for 82 games and two months now then you go then you find a way to get
fred van bleat i don't know if that's a deal that make that's a trading for the andre aden type
thing maybe maybe that makes sense for both sides but they probably don't need to give up aiden
since Fred Ventellit's a free agent
it'll be a sign and trade
they probably don't have to come up that big of an asset
instead of they give something back
but I would love
Fred Van Fleet to be a Chris Paul replacement
I think that makes a lot of sense
he'd also make a lot of sense
as a D'Angelo Russell replacement
but that's a conversation for another day
The other side of this
where do you want to see Chris Paul go
if they end up waving him
I'm mad because I know this ends up
with him on the Lakers
Oh 100% it's up there
I don't I don't like it
But the very easy answer is get him to Boston
Give those guys an actual point guard
And let's see what they can do
And if they can get him for they can get him for
You know on the low
Don't have to pay him too much money
Nothing will go crazy
I think that's the best move for them
You trade one of the guys either smart or Brogden or white
Get some more assets back
And you're cooking
what is so if he gets cut is chris paul gonna sign for the veteran minimum that's so man not not for the minimum the legors can give him their non-tax middle-level exception so they can pay him a little more but a lot of teams contenders can't give him anything more than the minimum or maybe the bi-annual exception which is like fucking four million dollars so like is chris paul going to be okay with just being like a well because once you start being a minimum player is we need to go back yeah oh man apparently apparently
the fourth and fifth grade kids are talking crazy
so he's going to
have to do what he has to
to shut them kids up so
let me ask you this
let me ask you this
how much is Chris Fall worth
oh that's a great question
like is he worth
okay is worth a minimum contract right
that's a good deal?
100% yes
is he worth the mid-level exception
which is about 10 million dollars
yes
is he worth 20 million dollars
that's
tops
20 million is not a lot in March
NBA like yeah that's tops though i can't do it i can't do it for a player who's
consistently injured in his oldest shit that's tops well okay for the celtics yes for everybody
else that number may may vary the celtics have a very very clear problem and it's that nobody
knows how to dribble on that team and nobody knows how to pass anybody and chris paul can do that
so like he fits what they need perfectly he's worth okay he's
worth 50 million dollars to them right damn if we're but if we're talking about the rest of the
league that's on a varying scale well like the spurs get a lot of spurs fans want him to come in
run that pick and roll in women yana and kind of give him that like veteran mentorship on a rebuilding
team i wouldn't hate that honestly i'm not trying to see chris paul that is gross and no one wants
to see him is it why let trade those cook man no one wants to see that like it's like cool
and all that but bro i don't know chris paul
Devin Vassell, Keldon Johnson, Jeremy Sohan, and Victor Mubignana with Trey Jones as your sixth man.
It's kind of cool.
You're at that point, though, you're asking.
27 games, let's go.
Yeah, and also, on top of 27 games, you're asking Chris Paul's daughter to go ahead and be homeschooled at that point, bro,
because you're not winning no ring with them anytime too soon.
You're supposed to reverse this damage.
The point's not to win a ring with that, though.
At that point, he'd be deciding that I'll take, because they're going to give him a lot of money, right?
if they want him they can offer him like $25 million for two years
because they have a fuck ton of cap space and it doesn't matter
so they can just say hey come run this rebuilding team
and help mentor womeniana to come be our next star
if I was Chris Paul that'd be kind of cool
I would run from that
if I'm Chris Paul and I have basically everything that I need
in my resume and my trophy case outside of an MVP
which is not going to happen at this point
but the only like attainable trophy is the larry o'brien trophy get me somewhere where i can
win that so if you are orlando if you picked in the lottery with your own pick this year do not
call my phone don't don't i get that i get that but counterpoint those teams will give him two
million dollars and the spurs will give him 50 does he need 50 million dollars 50 million more
who doesn't need 50 million dollars that's a lot of money shit it is a lot of money but if i'm
CP3 man like
I don't know I gotta go get this ring
I have to do it you see through it you see through it
and also like there's a lot of teams who've had
of course like disappointing seasons and whatnot
and if he was to ring chase
let's say on a team like the Milwaukee Bucks
it wouldn't look so shameful
at all
the Milwaukee Bucks be a little bit shameful
apparently the Lakers
and Clippers are the two teams
to keep an eye out on
him on the Clippers
the Clippers would be hilarious
point guards bro that'll be hilarious
where their whole team is old as fuck
all their good players get injured all the time it would be so
fitting yeah
no one wants to see that door
Chris Paul needs to go
if he makes two million from wherever
take 500,000 of it
put it on the NFL parlay
get your money back that way
right right make your money
up somewhere else and then
go get that ring that should be priority
number one for Chris Paul yeah go play with
LeBron he'll put you in a movie he'll put you in space
M3 and you'll be cooking exactly
oh man
he's gonna remake another
old comedy
he's in a
LeBron and Spring Hill
are gonna remake like
Are you there yet or something
That is gross
I'm just falling in
Oh my god
Uh
There you did house party
They're gonna do another cult classic soon
Oh my god
Space Jam
I could see Lebron is Dr. Doolittle
Wow
I didn't say he'd be a Dr. Doolittle
He'd just be producing it
No I can see LeBron as Dr. Doolittle
that's crazy
yeah it's insane
wow
yeah the moral of the story
is Chris Paul is so
talk about time on time on time
do we have to personally
fund this movie to get made
like I see it
I need it
I need it
well if they go ahead
and click the link in the description
and also right below
is it below the
shame of the YouTube
icon
they might be able to go
below the title
yeah
look at the description
you'll see our merch there
yeah
and we can go ahead
and get this thing
funded ASAP
that's some nice
embroidered logos for you guys on some soft blanks yeah exactly need it for i have a question for
you guys though for two seconds can we talk about the whole kairi thing that randomly dropped
the day of the finals i believe sure before the finals yeah what did i see on my screen seconds
you're going to get exactly two seconds out of this as if you guys don't know there was a report
that from shams as straight up said carrie irving has contacted lebron james about playing for
the Dallas Mavericks. Not the Dallas Mavericks are trying to sign LeBron James. Not
LeBron James. Not LeBron James. That was the report. Not, not even that, right? Because all that
means has contacted LeBron James, right? All that means is that Kyrie called his phone. We don't know
if LeBron picked up, right? We don't, LeBron could have saw, saw Kyrie as, no, I'm not, I'm not,
I don't have time for this right now. Like, of course, of course, Kyrie would,
want uh would want lebron to be to be where he's at he's like listen i just got here i don't
really feel like moving again can you come do me a solid like i was you know you know what i'm saying
like i was i was wrong back there in cleveland but it's just like it's a non-story
it really is slow day bro are you is what's telling me that people really don't care about
the NBA finals like that bro because i've never i don't remember the last time i've seen a more
important. This is about nothing tweet in my life, or at least over the next, over the last
like three years, bro. Yeah. Yeah, so obviously LeBron is not going to Dallas Mavericks. It
doesn't make sense for numerous reasons. The Mavericks have no assets to trade for LeBron
James. I would make the Lakers blink. LeBron, why would he want to go there? Why would the Mavs
want him? Because LeBron, Kyrie, and Luca is a disgusting combination that makes no sense on paper
in 2K in reality anywhere. No defense to be seen. No anything besides.
passing is going I the question I have now is who leaked this and what is their
agenda I re leaked it just because he was bored he was probably still hurt that
the LeBron didn't pick up his call and he just wanted to put some pressure he just
wanted to see like hey like does everybody else think that like that this is a good
idea or is it just me that's probably that has to be it you know probably I say
it's probably the fake-ass story coming from Mike Malone so he can go ahead and brew his
disgusting narrative well no one's talking about us hey no one's talking about us
that's probably when did Mike Malone like why is he from New York in your impersonation
that was a crazy accident I feel like it's either gotta be walking here so there's two options
either Kyrie leaked it and why I guess they stood our Brian Winhorse hats on real quick
why would he do that?
Maybe he wants to
Maybe he plans to leave the Mavs
and he leaked that to show that
he tried to find a way to make it make sense
that he tried to get the Mavs
to get LeBron so he could stay
but it didn't work out
so he exhausted options
and now he has no other option
went to leave for competitive reasons
or
or LeBron leaked it
because he wants the Lakers
to know that him and Kyrie
are talking about playing together
in any way fashion needed
so they better trade for him
or he'll pick up that phone call and go to the Mavs.
But if LeBron leaked it,
it would have been a little bit more substantive
than just Kyrie contacted LeBron.
But that's what he wants you to think.
That's why, because he doesn't want it to be so overt.
He wants the Lakers to be like,
hmm, would LeBron go?
I don't know, maybe.
Maybe we've got to trade for this, Kyrie fella.
This is the longest two seconds of my life.
Let's move on.
Let's move on.
Nobody gives a shit.
Kari's thing with the math.
because I'm going to give him the most money,
and LeBron is going to be a Laker still.
Yeah.
Next.
You guys want to talk about how Damien Lillard needs to learn how to shut up?
Yeah, let's do it.
I'm joking, but David Lillard is doing the same thing every year now.
I'm not.
I'm playing.
But Damien Lillard is doing the same thing he does every year
where he goes on all these radio shows and stuff,
and everybody keeps asking him about if he's going to request a trade or not,
and he just eats it up and tells people nonstop,
you know,
state it's all about competitiveness and blah blah blah but now he's telling everybody that
basically the he believes the trailblazers can make a competitive team mix here by trading
their current assets and if not then they'll have to have a conversation about his future
he's been saying it non-stop like three times in the past two weeks on three different shows
i've seen so many options of potential trade place destinations saw oh he wouldn't like it to
be in to be in boston off miami he won the finals he would not consider going over it's like
Bro, no one asked, for real.
People who are...
You go, I'm told him, hey, just ask me this question real quick.
Bro, I'm glad you said this.
He specified in the interview that he wants to go to Miami,
but not if they win the championship.
Just to let everybody know that he'll play for a team,
but not if there's too much running from the grind.
If it's too easy, you haven't wanted.
And today, Chris Haynes reported,
Chris Haynes famously at Damien Lillard Mouthpiece,
he reported that, under no circumstance,
under no circumstance when Damien Lillard played for the Celtics.
Why is this being put out there?
Who gives a shit?
Well, who gives a fuck if you play for this out?
That's so random.
No, it's just comical.
Damian Lillard wants,
he wants his lore and his legacy
to just be everything,
everything that Kevin Garnett gave up
in the second half of his career,
Damien Lillard wants that
so that he can be some type of martyr
for like the old NBA
of like I'm the guy who went against the league
when everybody was going towards super teams
when everybody was trying to partner up with everybody
I'm the guy who stood on principle and stayed here
and he wants his respect but like
but like y'all saying
you're asking for respect so I can't give you respect
you know what I think you know what I think
he wants that respect but he also wants to fucking leave the trailblazers
he just doesn't want to be the one to ask for it so he
loses that respect it almost he's just like nudging them to trade him by like deciding to just
rebuild he wants him to do that really bad he just can't be the one to say it yeah exactly and i
feel like there are a i think if it's going to happen then they're they would only almost be forced
to do it because via the nba draft because if they end up getting like scoot henderson then like
it's already in there and it's going to happen you know and you would have to
You are a madman if you walk up to the Trailblazers front office and say,
hey, yo, trade this potential generational 19, 18, 18 year old dude for some mid-ass role player
or some mid-ass, like star player Bradley Beale or Jaylon Brown or some crazy light.
It's like, bro, what are you talking about, you know?
Well, could you imagine you have to the Celtics turn Jaylon Brown into Scoot Henderson?
Oh, that would be so beautiful.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, yeah, man, but basically Damien Lillard just.
One, I guess we can say it's not his fault because people keep asking him about it,
but he doesn't have to give interesting answers every time.
He's answering in a clearly calculated way to try to,
however, whatever agenda he has where he's trying to move,
he's doing it through these interviews,
and it's annoying as hell because he won't stop.
See, he's doing the same thing that, like, LeBron's been doing for years now,
except, like, LeBron's about that shit,
and he will leave, and no one ever believes Damilud.
And so we just full a cap all and every time.
Yeah, man.
I don't care about it was probably the last time we talked about
Damien Lidd rumors until he finally is close to being traded
You know what rumors we should talk about?
What?
Which ones?
James Harden
We'll give this another two seconds
So we can move on TikTok time
But yeah
It was reported by I think Shams yesterday
That James Hardin is currently torn
Between return to Houston and staying with the 76ers
Listen man
I don't even want to talk about this now we're talking about it
I don't fucking care
He can go back to the Houston
Do you think James Hart is not moving the needle regardless of wherever he goes?
No.
No.
Damn.
Not in these two teams.
He's not moving in off of these two teams.
I hope it goes to Houston just to accelerate the Joelle and B trade request that's coming inevitably.
Ooh.
That's a hard part.
That's a hard episode.
James Hardin has been since Christmas, the happiest day of the year, right?
It got leaked out of James Hardin's camp that he said, I'm unhappy here.
I want to go back to Houston.
like he he doesn't he doesn't want to be in philly after the last two years i don't think that
they really want him there either he took less money and was kind of like upset he was kind of upset
that nobody lauded him for taking um for taking less money let the media know that and i think at this
point i think at this point james hardin is just going to say like i'm going to go get my x amount of dollars
I already gave up 15 million.
I'm going to go have fun.
And I'm going to play on a team that needs a point guard and that needs scoring and that needs veteran leadership.
And I'll go ahead and be all those things in a city where, like, the Rockets don't really matter like that.
And they're not getting Wembe.
So, like, I don't, I don't know.
James Hardin, I'm rambling.
But James Hardin, like Isaac said, does not move the needle for either of these two teams.
And so for him, this is kind of him recognizing that.
And so he just, he just wants to have fun.
So he's going to go back to Houston.
That's the best way to put it if he does.
Valid.
You're not going to win championship.
Your best days are behind you.
Go vibe out in Houston and like your life.
Yeah, that's a tough pill to swallow, though.
Like, you gave up so much money so they can go ahead and get scraps and sign your guys,
Daniel House and PJ coverage and all that.
I mean, $15 million.
How much way was it?
Fifteen.
15 11 million dollars that's some bread that's some bread never mind that's a good amount of money
yeah but also they didn't like they didn't lose because like the guys that they brought in
we talked daniel house was trash all year he got right in play exactly they launched an investigation
over daniel house he didn't play uh man i don't care about james hardin right now let's move on
take a lot time let's do it let's it's time to get these
talks off. As always, we're going to start with the draft. This time, we're going to do a draft
with only players who want three rings or more. I told you guys before the show how this is going
to play out, and I'm a thousand percent confident. I've been thinking about it for the last
hour, who my first pick is going to be. I'm not, I'm not, I don't know. Okay, we'll see. First
pick is Donovan, then Mo, then me. Yeah, you guys know what's up. Yeah. Let's draft Emmy
lineups with only players who have won three rings or more
let's do you got Donovan
I'm gonna start off with some versatility
give me LeBron James
Boo
You got LeBron? Damn, I gotta pick that
Give me, give me that MJ dude
God
It's a little small little bit of MJ
Yeah I guess I'll just have MJ whatever
The horror
Obviously I got Steph Curry
Yep
Give me Shaq
And after that, I have
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Okay
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Okay
That's nice
Okay
Give me the best center ever
And maybe the best point guard ever
I don't know
Okay, cool
I like that
Go ahead
And give me
Tim Duncan
Okay
Okay
I was just I was just shocked
I didn't think that Shaq was going to be here for me
give me shack
wow okay
and then
I mean it's Tim Duncan and Karim it's like
no I know I just I thought Shaq was
gonna go earlier so that's
that's fantastic
um hmm oh yeah
give me Shaq give me Kobe
damn you're LaRashack and Kobe
fuck okay cool
yeah that's fuck
Okay
This is over
Go ahead and give me
Is Larry Burr's on the board?
Yeah
Give me Larry Bird
Okay
Damn
I hate this draft
I should have
I should have
Yeah
Oh this draft sucks
I got
You know what
Oh now
I'll wait for that
This is tough
Okay
Give me Dwayne Wade
That's cool
That's good
Oh I'm another pick
Yeah
Dwayne Wade
Then for my three
Give me Scotty Pippin
Nice
Solid solid
Nice okay
So I got MJ
Laybird and Tim Duncan
Cool so
Sheesh
I need a
Yeah I need two guards
So for the sake of spacing
Go ahead and give me
Clay Thompson
You suck
You suck
Yeah
I should have been Clayton to assemble the Warriors.
Yeah.
Okay.
That kind of changes the strategy a little bit.
But we're all about to win.
Oh, my God.
Huh?
You're about to win.
This is ridiculous.
You're about the craziest team ever.
I know.
Okay.
Give me.
Yeah.
We'll do it.
Give me Magic Johnson.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
And then I need a four.
I need a four to close this out.
uh all right yeah
give me give me dennis robin
this man
donovan built the best team you can imagine this is ridiculous
yeah
oh my god okay
no spacing in sight but ridiculous talent
yeah i'm just gonna show some love
to one of the greatest french players of all time
tony parker
one of the most underrated
one of the most underrated bid range shooters i need that on my team
okay
you know what give me
listen donovan has the most talent
I'm going to build the best chemistry.
Give me Draymond Green to parent, Steph Curry.
Cool.
You're still getting ran with him on a court, but go ahead.
That's it.
That's a draft.
That was a quick one.
Yeah.
So I have, Steph Curry.
We did our research.
Yeah.
I have Steph Curry, Dwayne Wade, Scotty Pippen, Draymond, Green, Kareem.
I got Tony Parker.
Yeah, I got Tony Parker.
Michael Jordan, Larry Bird.
Hold on, no, no, no, I'm missing someone.
I got Tony Parker.
Then I have Michael Jordan, Larry Berg, Tim Duncan.
I think I have Tim Duncan at the five.
And Clay Thompson.
Yeah, Clay Thompson, there we go.
I don't know why I forgot that.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
I have Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, LeBron, Dennis Rodman, and Shaq.
That's laughable.
I got this one.
Yeah, you put this team on 2K.
We're getting blown by 40, Isaac.
Yeah, the first pick was definitely key in this one.
Yeah, for so.
Really, it was an instant win,
because there was like seven really great players,
and you get three of them.
I can't believe we just let Madge Johnson go like that.
You're going to yell at it.
You let Matt Johnson go like that.
I am, Steph Curry.
Oh, yeah.
I don't do anything wrong.
Okay, okay.
Next thing we're going to do,
as always, following the draft,
we're going to do a tier list.
Okay.
This time we're going to do a tier list of NBA rivalries.
This will be interesting.
Let's get into it.
I'm excited for this one.
Let's put these NBA rivalries into a tier list.
First off, classic Celtics versus Lakers.
S tier.
S tier.
The NBA was built off of this.
Yeah.
One of the best robberies in sports.
This is the recipes.
This is the recipes.
Without this rivalry, NBA wouldn't be the same as it is today.
Shit would be on tape delay.
It's crazy.
Easy.
You got Yankees versus Red Sox
And then probably Lakers versus Celtics
Like the top three rivalries in sports
Next up
Steph Curry versus LeBron James
That's an A tier
It's kind of B tier
B
Because I don't think
A lot of finals man
I don't think Steph well
Steph ran through them after the
Once they got KD
Once they got KD
The rivalry kind of like fizzled out
And that's the point
this would be S tier
But because KD messed it up
It's got to be A tier
But if KD never came
It would have been one of the greatest rivalries ever
But it's also a B tier
Because
They don't like
One
Steph Curry doesn't care about
He does not care about LeBron
At all
LeBron cares about Steph
Steff does not care about LeB
And then two
Even in all-time conversations
Steph Curry is nowhere near
LeBron James all time
Yeah
So like play to play to play
B is not fair to him
It was classic
Just because of what happened in
2016, it has to be
18, because we're never seeing anything like
that before. We're never seen anything like that
again. He got swept.
Fine, we'll go, B.
All right, B.
Next up we have Shaq v. Kobe.
Shack versus Kobe.
Oh, man.
This is tough to right.
Friends turn enemies is a pretty sick
rivalry dynamic.
It's kind of a.
This is an A-2.
Yeah, this is such a good rivalry.
This is such a great rivalry that years later,
they had to have a sit-down interview where they talked about it
and made reconciliations for having such an intense rivalry.
They were rivals as teammates.
They were winning championships together, still hating each other.
They three-peded together and then went to try,
and then went to see who can get the fourth ring faster.
It's great.
This got a BS.
It's Shakespearean.
art
that's s
great next up we have
CP3 and winning a ring
damn that's so sameless
bro
has to be s
this man who back in 2020
said that he had a
addiction to going to the finals
congratulations my brother
you beat it
because you ain't never going back
you just got waves god
it's hard to call this a rivalry
when one side has won it for 18 years
in a row
but it's such a
harassment and so much
extreme not winning
It's so much extreme not winning
It's got to be a year
Yeah you have to respect the commitment to it bro
The consistency is outrageous
What
This is crazy
What's the next one
Next one we have
Celtics versus heat
In the last five years
This is a tier for real
This is solid bro
This is a tier
they've met in the conference finals like five times over the last 10 years they are this is great
this is great so they actually have jason tater versus jimmy butler is legitimately a really cool rivalry
these days yeah you're right so what is this is the a probably b it doesn't have the all time
doesn't have the all-time ramifications so it can't be super high but it's a good rivalry
i'm saying it is because i'm saying a i'm saying a because a lot of times when they've played
a trip to the finals has been on the line true
A, it's fine
What do you think, Mo?
I really, I think it's a B tier
Because even though it's like amazing
It's not like
It's not
It's not poster boy worthy, you know?
You're right
It's not headlining NBA versus rings
So it can be B.
Yeah, B for sure
Back to back
Back to back game sevens
In the Eastern Conference finals
What are we talking about?
We're deciding who's going to be the loser
In the finals, whatever.
Yeah, it's not moving me late.
that it's all the trip in all right next thing we got we're gonna do a video where we
talk about which NBA player would you rather let date your daughter who I'm scared
hey man take my daughter to the baseball players please this is gonna be great
all right so which NBA player would you rather let date your daughter this is gonna be
crazy yeah Kyrie Irving or Kyle Kuzma
Give me, Kyrie.
What?
Coos?
The Instagram boy?
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
You said Coos?
Coos is out here nearly about to be wiped up with Winnie Harlow.
He's been treating her well.
You want your daughter with a guy who thinks that the earth is flat?
Coos got blonde hair, bro, and he'd be out here for real.
No, I don't want Coos.
He's an L.A. boy.
Are you kidding me?
No.
If my daughter's with Kyrie, I had to leave.
know that she's going to be giving
in some capacity.
She may be a little dumb.
You're a terrible father.
You're a terrible father.
What are you talking about?
If you compare Kyrie Irving's insane shenanigans
to Calcusma dressing funny?
Yeah.
What are you talking about?
You need Kyrie the fuck away from my daughter.
Yeah, no, Kyrie, bro.
Get Kyrie Err.
I need that.
I'll accept that man in my house.
Your daughter's going to be radicalized.
Like, what are we talking about here?
It's cool.
My daughter will be one with herself, and I'm happy with that.
She will not sell her soul like Kyle Kuzma.
I'm good on it.
What is he done to sell his soul?
Why am I so mad about this?
You're wrong.
Look, I do not understand that logic, and I'm seriously fearful for your future family, Donovan.
All Kyle Kuzma does, all Kyle Kuzma does is tweet corny shit and wear Rick Owens.
He's not that bad.
You're terrible
Next up
You're crazy
No, I'm sorry
I don't know what it is about clues
But I just can't do it with him
There next up
Duncan Robinson
versus Austin Reeves
Give me Duncan Robinson
He's gonna have my daughter right
He's gonna, when I say give my
Get my daughter home at 8
He's gonna have her at home by 630
I need Duncan Robinson
Yeah
I need Duncan Robinson
Listen, bro.
He's podcast guy.
He's straight up with his basketball skills.
Duncan, yeah.
He's he's hella studious.
He has a passion side project in podcasting.
He might have to go, Duncan.
Yeah, bro.
He don't complain.
None of that, bro.
He's just, yes, sir, yes, sir, and he does it, bro.
Awesome he's in L.A.
He might be a little wild and a low.
We really, we really don't know with Lakers players.
Fact.
Duncan Robinson has that heat culture in him.
He's respectful.
Oh, he's a grinder, yeah, he's for real.
Yeah, exactly.
I feel like Austin Reeves is low-key a demon, bro.
Especially with what he did over the playoffs, bro, saying, I am him and all that stuff.
Get that man away from my daughter, bro.
He likes that.
He has too much white boy rage.
He'd be screaming a little too hard for me.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, bro.
I'm good on that.
Seems like a good kid, but get away from me.
Next up.
Kauai Leonard versus Damien Lillard.
Dane.
we just we just talked about it but dame is dame's loyalty off the charts off the charts so i will take dame lillard over kawai lennard
i don't know dame lillard might be a little too like scarily loyal he might be a little obsessive he's a little
toxicly yeah yeah exactly like if i know my girl if i know my daughter will be much better off
without you then i might have to say kawai linder bro because he ain't going to say too much if you cool
then you cool if you're not
that he's going to leave
I trust my daughter
I want my daughter
to be able to talk
to her partner
and Kawhi Leonard
says no words
okay
I don't know
Damien Lillard is like
he might have
Stockholm syndrome
with something
what if my daughter
is just like a bad vibe
but she's not good
for Lillard
Lillard just will never leave
it might be in his
best interest to stay away
yeah exactly
see Isaac is for the team
he has a broad vision
Donovan
you're selfish
now next up
Zion
Williamson versus jaw morant
crazy
low key
low key hear me out
I think I'm going
John Morant
at least I know my daughter
will be protected
okay
Zion Williamson is out here
he's a wild boy with
wild interest that's all I'll say
keep him away from my daughter
can't dress
no drip
look
leave leave the
behavior out of it leave the
leave the multiple baby mama's out
of it his drip is so bad
I don't want him in my house he'll embarrass me
but hear me out if he is
sliding down the APs to the
family then I might have to have a
conversation
I might have to have a conversation
but I'll see
John and Ratt
will love your daughter so much he'll fight a teenager
and a mall for her
that's commitment
as what I'm saying she's protected
He will beat a tween's ass for her
She will be safe
Yeah
Yeah
They're both wild boys though
They're both wild boys though
They're both wild boys
Yeah you're right
Give me jaw
I need jaw
I need jaw
I need job
I need job
Zion might never be there
Half the time
For my daughter bro anyways
He's so absent
He's gonna be an absent father
If my daughter gets pregnant
Bro
He's gonna just know where to be seen
He's like what's going on
I'm just gonna start generational trauma
Yeah, bro
That's hilarious
God
You're so an inch with that
Like when in your brain made you think
This will be a good TikTok
I thought of it and I was like
Engagements
Yeah
Oh god
I have a demon on my shoulder
Yeah
Nicole Yokic versus Yonis onto the Coupo.
Oh, you can't lose with this.
They're both great guys, but I might have to go Yonis
because Yonkish, he'd be gone for real.
He has no motion.
He has no.
I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know.
Listen, Janus, he might love his horses more than your daughter.
Yeah.
Johnus, Janus, dang it, listen.
Janus is kind of freaky on the timeline.
That's all I'm going to say, right?
You're a little too, you're a little too freaky out in public.
big for me right i'm not trying to see all that but
give me give me yeah
yonnes has a little yonis is the vibes of someone who didn't have a lot of girls
growing up so once he gets married he has to like talk about it a lot on twitter
there might be a red flag you know what i'm not colioch wearing his wedding ring around his
shoelace is just tie me because that's the most wholesome thing i've seen
in the last i don't know how many years what a guy yeah
let's take your daughter horseback riding she'll be touring europe with
finding all the taste of all the best food she's gonna be in serbia like she's not going to be in
It's not going to be a Milan.
She's going to be on a farm in Eastern Europe, man.
She's going to be lost.
And you know what?
You got to remember, though, his brothers, affiliated.
I'm going to talk about protection.
I was on the truth.
That's true.
She's right everywhere.
That's true.
Ten boys are bulletproof, bro.
And on top of that, Nicole Yolkin.
She can move through the Balkans with ease.
Nicola Yolkuts be moving with hella passionate.
He'd be kissing his teammates, bro.
And I love that.
that. So, give me him, bro. I need him next to my daughter at all times. He's going off the rails.
What are we talking about? What are we talking about? He gets in his teammates on the side of the cheek.
Did you see that video where he saw Monta Morris? Bro, he looked like he saw Jesus on the court.
His mouth dropped. He was like, oh my God, bro, it's Monta Morris. Relax.
I need that wholesomeness.
This is amazing.
This is going to be the best TikTok ever.
next one
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that is true
here last one
Tyler Hero or Lamello Ball
Oh man
I don't like either
My daughter can stay single
I've seen what the ball boys do
To their baby mothers
I don't like it
Yeah listen they're both NBA fuck boys
But man keep Tyler Hero the fuck away from my daughter
Yeah this is true
Might give me a lamello
Because like bro got a bag
And he's gonna be generational
But nah
Give me away from Tyler Hero
Yeah
Yeah
Something about the way
Something about the way Tyler Hero carries himself.
I don't like his face.
Just keep back.
I don't want to look at him at the dinner table.
You don't want to see that smirk?
You kidding me?
God, no.
He's in a walk in here with his black accent,
pretending he's from the hood when he's from Wisconsin.
Keep him away from me.
Lamella wins by default.
Yeah, easy.
Oh, my God.
Not hilarious.
Okay, we've got two more videos left.
First, let's change the vibe real quick,
and we'll do a more analytically based one.
Calm down
Before we get to another funny one
This next
What we're going to do is
We're going to name some teams
And we've got to decide
Who the best player
In their team's history is
All right
Let's get the vibes back down
To the guys
I'm sorry
We literally just talked about
Backhanding NBA players
Like
Guys
Oh my god
Okay
Wow
Yeah but it's not the hero
He doesn't count
Wow
If there's any NBA player you can disrespect, it's Tyler Hero.
Oh, my God, right.
Tyler, I'm actually a fan.
Don't take it to heart.
Who is the best NBA player in this team's history?
First off, the Lakers.
Like...
Actually, remember you phrase that.
Who is the greatest NBA player in this team's history?
The Lakers.
I guess greatest would be LeBron.
Nah.
Are we talking about, like, the greatest Laker
or, like, the greatest player to ever play for the Lakers?
You tell me.
Let's just say the greatest Laker.
Okay, the greatest Laker.
What they meant to this organization and fans?
It's Kobe.
Got to be Kobe Bryant, right?
It's Kobe or Magic, one of those two.
No, I'm fine with either.
I might lean Kobe, though.
Yeah, Kobe, I think Kobe has the extended success,
multiple generations of championship contenders,
multiple generations of fans that see him as their icon.
It's got to be Kobe.
Yeah, for sure, Kobe.
So my mom grew up on Kobe and so did I.
crazy.
Oh, that's nuts.
Yeah, he has, he's affected generations and not only, not only generations worldwide.
I don't see people walking Magic Johnson jerseys in Beijing, bro.
It doesn't happen.
That's a crazy parameter.
Our next one, the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Kevin Durant.
Oh, sorry.
Is it a kid?
It might be Russell Westbrook.
Oh, oh, after that.
We're talking about greatest thunder.
Yeah, no, it's Russell Westbrook.
After how KD did that team?
Yeah, it's Russell.
They accomplished the same amount of things in the jerseys.
Both won an MVP.
Both made the finals.
One stayed and one didn't.
If he didn't have that 2017 MVP, then it would be KD.
But that MVP season was just phenomenal.
One to none.
A heartwarming story.
And I meant so much from the team having him win it after KD left and abandoned them.
Easily, Russell Westbrook.
Yeah, exactly.
Easily.
Don't even think twice about it.
The Atlanta Hawks.
oh that's dominique wilkins yeah this is like this is very shame it's like a bleakless
pistol pete it's obviously dominique yeah number two and i don't know bro it's like pistol
is it all right don't do that now let's relax okay let's relax all right i'm not picking the man
who's scared of free throws of balls coming at him catching rebounds oh pause
Horford, no.
No, it's probably like, it's probably like Pistol Pete or something like that.
Yeah.
Okay, okay.
Yeah, it's steep.
The Phoenix Suns.
I don't want to say Steve Nash for some reason.
It's, well, I mean, it's either Steve Nash and Charles Barkley.
Yeah, I think it's Charles Barkley.
I don't know.
Steve Nash won two MVPs there.
Yeah.
He never got to a finals and Charles got an MVP.
Yeah.
Okay, and Charles is a better player there.
better career, I think.
We can go, Charles.
Charles, there we go.
He probably had a longer prime with the Suns than Stephen Ashley, too, right?
No, no, no.
I mean, well, what the sense?
I don't know.
This one was actually really hard.
I think I would take Charles, though.
I'm taking Charles.
I think the fact that Chuck got him to a finals, I think that's huge.
Okay, yeah.
And also looking, one's a better player, too.
Looking back at it to, no one questions anything about Charles Barkley's career.
and when it comes to Steve Nash
there's a lot of questions about one of those
MVP's both of those MVP's
and we're talking to be honest
Charles
cool
the Milwaukee bucks
that's
Kareem
yeah Kareem can get that
for now
yes I'm sure
I'm sure
it's Kareem
I mean Kare's a way better player
but like Ghanis brought him the chip
he's the loyal stars
probably not going to leave
Kareem did leave
Karim got
Kareem got their first chip
in his like second year
It was either year two or year three
And he got the chip
That's insane
He's circlinging
We default to the better player
Okay I'm fine with Kareem
Yeah
Give it two years though
It's gonna be honest
Yeah but when it's all set and done
When Yannis is there for 15 years
I think it'll be him too
If he can win some more
He doesn't even have to
It's not like Kareem racked up in Milwaukee
Now he bet
he better win some chips
okay
the Boston Celtics
Larry Bird
Larry Bird yeah that's
it's not Bill Russell
I think Larry Bert
for Boston's sake
Larry Bird
minimizes what a Celtic is
okay
Larry Bird is
you got people watching you right now Donovan
Larry Bird is their guy
bro come on
but Russell
want 11 chips for a city
it has to be Bill Russell
In that era too
Oh man
It might be real
But I think I have to get
I think to be honest
I really want to lean Larry Bird
If you think of Celtics
You think of Larry Bird immediately
Well
That's crazy
I know but like
It's Larry
Yeah
Yeah
I guess more people
In the listen
Listen
In the time they played
One was probably loved
By more of Bostonians
More than the other
Oh god
I want to say Bill
But I think it's honestly
Larry
Okay, you can't be mad at it
We got one more video
Mo
I think you have one about
NBA bars for us
Yes
So for us
Yeah so
In this TikTok
We're gonna be
Rating these
Disrespectful NBA bars
Rate these NBA rap lyrics
From 1 to 10
6 male like Lou World
Two girls
And they get along
Like I'm Lou Will
Oh
This is a strong
Rap lyric
This is a strong NBA lyric
back in that time this was so hard
this took IG captions by storm
100% I think
this this is like an 8
it's like it's like it's like it's like a 8 you could probably
I was thinking 9 9 I would say 8
okay we go 8 because it's gonna be
there's gonna be harder to come you you gotta know
you also have to know the story of Louer
it's like it's pretty like
it's pretty obvious based on what the lyric is saying
but like you still gotta know what's going on
okay
we'll go eight
because it doesn't appeal
to the casual audience
all right
yeah I think eight is solid
eight is solid
next one
let's do this one
yeah
all right
he got muscles
for no reason
Eric Bledso
that's the most
random shot ever
bro
who said that
Eric Bly said that
sad a baby
love it
love that
that's a nine
that's a nine
I got damn there
Eric Blitz
that's just funny
they were called Eric Blitz
baby
brawn just because he had broad shoulders
I mean it's like wrong one bit
oh bro yeah
who created that who where did that come from
who who decided that
the pre-draft process I don't know
jail them
oh my god
okay
no that's hilarious
but being
being big for no reason
is like an all-time insult
I love it
oh bro
that should have me cried
all right
fourth quarter yelling
what to fuck buttomming
instant classic this was a freestyle too this is not an official song that has to be an 11
all time that's 11 that's 11 rest of song mid is fuck but this bar perfect he saved it that's
you i've never seen the most random NBA player like nick matum catch this type of strain
and it's so accurate too that's the scary part it was so genuine you see in his face is why the fuck
Batoon in
Oh my God
Yeah that shit was crazy
Okay
All right
Holes get fucked and sent home early
Just like the clippers
Oh
God
Better get
10 out of 10
10
10 out of 10
Anytime
we can
Disre
Anytime we can disrespect
The Clippers
I'm here for it 10 out of 10
Set home early is crazy
Freddy gives
Disrespectful once again. That's what he's known for
Facts
All right
Old dudes unreliable like Dero's knees
This was mean
This is a shot Deros is nice
What did he do? Who said this?
Corday back when he was YBN
An ass
No
I can't, I can't get behind this.
This is a four.
It's a good bar, but it hurts.
What is mean?
I go six.
All right, cool.
What about this one?
Get no playing time, Kendrick Perkins.
This is from Cuevo himself, bro.
I love it.
It's stuck the Clippers one.
Anytime we can slander Kendrick Perkins, I'm here for it.
Yeah.
Nine.
Yeah, I think it's a damn near
It's a 10 because it didn't even
First things first
It didn't even sound right when he said it
It was not a good bar
But it's hate and I'm here for hate
This is a 10
And the best part is
Not of Cueva's lyrics make sense
They're just so disconnected
From the previous lyric
So it's just random
Random Kendrick Perkins hate
I love it
All right
A broke 38 in a shoe funny
Like Sean Marion
Who said this?
This is
Dude, mayhem, Lauren.
Who is that?
I have no idea who it is, but it is so hard.
It would have been, this would have been a 10 out of 10,
but I have no idea who this is.
So for clout purposes, 9 out of 10.
Yeah.
I love that.
That's a good, like, NBA deep cut.
Talking about Sean Marion's shooting form.
You know a ball for real.
It's a nine.
Fooked her thought with a headband on, Jared Dudley.
This is an ugly bar to be.
It's so mean
So many of these bars
Are just random lyric
Random NBA player
It don't even make sense
Jared Dudley where the headband
Is an incredible deep cut
10 out of 10 I love this
We're just saying names for visuals
Oh my goodness
This is this 10 out of 10 though it's funny
It's funny
How did Jared Dudley feel watching this bro?
What is he supposed to say to that?
Yeah, because he didn't get cloud
on you just
Jared doesn't
be wearing headbands
That's it
That's the bar
I can't end this
I can't end this
TikTok session
Without throwing in the classic
This is not a classic
But I can't end it
Without throwing in baby tron
Bro
Treat his dumb ass like
Dremont
I'm gonna give me a second real quick
Treat his dumb ass
Okay let me get it hurt
All right
Treat his dumb ass like
Dremont can't avoid the tech
he is
masterful when it comes to putting these bars together
that's actually good shout up baby try
yeah that's a legitimately good bar
can't avoid the tech
that's a good bar
yeah that's hard
that's easy to not this one isn't just funny
this is like lyricism
this is serious
I know this kind of
kind of has me fearful
this man respects his craft
he's not just throwing names in there
yeah exactly
when he throws out when he throws out these NBA players names he does it with intent
this shit means something to him exactly Hall of Fame his ass
easily actually Hall of Fame his ass when he comes to dropping dropping NBA names
you're worthless fellow you ain't no athlete you Sean Bradley who is Sean Bradley
is that a center disrespect yeah yes yeah Sean Bradley's a seven foot four guy that got
dunked on a lot damn yeah yeah yeah and
This, in this song here, Jay Z snapped, and he snapped on so many people, bro.
Yeah, this one's mean.
Sean Bradley is known for getting dunked on a lot, despite being huge.
No, but for that so much that people are saying he's not athletic.
That's crazy.
That's a good bar.
Yeah.
What is this?
Eight and a half, nine?
I think this has.
It's not a 10.
I want to say 10 because a song is a 10, and also this bar was smooth, too, with how he said it has to be 10.
I said, this is a 7.
This is cool.
Seven?
Yeah,
that's cool.
All right.
All hell is going to hate you, Isaac.
They go hate you.
Well, Old Head's don't watch this.
We're good.
Yeah, and I think that is it.
Nice.
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