The Deep 3 Podcast - These NBA Players MUST Be Traded This Year! (Ft. Rusty Buckets) | Ep. 15

Episode Date: December 16, 2022

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So the day we're recording this is December 14th, which means tomorrow there's the first day, like, everybody in the league can be traded. So naturally, we're going to start off talking about trades for this episode. And as you guys can see on the screen right now, we're drawn by a special guest, the Rusty Buckets. Jacob, what's up? Hi. Every time I'm introduced on a podcast, I have no idea what to say. Yeah, it's awkward. Just get smoked for a little for a couple seconds.

Yeah, so like I said, we're going to go through all the popular teams in the news that are potentially going to make trades. the popular names are potentially being dangled by their teams. But before we get into that, we're going to do what we always do, and we're going to react to some fan hot takes. Now, Jacob, I don't know if you've ever seen these. Probably not, but they range from good to bad. I got three for us to go over today. They're hot takes for real.

Yeah. It's so inconsistent. I think today's aren't too bad. Okay, let's see. Let's see what they came out with. The first one is from Andrew. He says that currently Jason Tatum is better than Luke Codontches. oh that's a fat ass having a better season yeah yeah he's having a better season but i wouldn't say

he's the better player i mean it seems winning more games i don't know if individually is having a better season yeah well jason tatum's defense is definitely so many miles beyond what tatum's is the difference playmaking there is also just as significant while they both score buckets at a pretty similar level of efficiency as far as i'm aware yeah same volume same efficiency they do it differently obviously but both can score one of them's a generational playmaker to the point where he's the sole engine of an entire offense exactly and jason tatum quite doesn't have that factor to him yeah it's like do you have more faith that luca can guard adequately or that tatum could be an elite playmaker in the playoffs i think i'm a lead towards lucca yeah absolutely i mean tatum's a fine

playmaker but just if we're just talking about who's better then you have to split those hairs and being a generational playmaker is a lot better than being a pretty good one exactly exactly but obviously we're talking about like the fourth versus like the fifth or six best player in the league so they're close but i think everyone's going to lean lucca a little bit absolutely i have luca three and uh and tatum at five so yeah they're pretty close still lucca three so you have luca above both yokech and imbid correct that those are the hard debates that that's the one that keeps me up imbid it's not you think it's easily luca really he sounds like he got some hot takes the fire off about imbid you

That's what I'm saying. Let it lose. I just put out a top 50 list, so yeah. So you're taking... Where'd you have a beat at? Like, maybe seven. I don't remember, actually. It might have been...

I think it was seven, but it should have been six. And I had changed my mind, but whatever. Where's Kevin Durant in this? I think KD was eight. I don't remember. What did people give you the most shit for? I know you remember that. Kevin Durant

People gave you more Most shit for Kevin Durant Oh I didn't actually read the comments much So I'm not sure in your mental else I wish I was capable Especially on top 50 list

Because I made a 50 all time And 50 current like three years ago And I was like yeah I'm never going to do that again And lobehold You run out of content ideas And you are going to begin It's got to take the lumps

the next one Sawyer says that the T-wolves won't get past the first round of the playoffs That's the W-T The playoffs Facts Facts I am a strong believer

That they're going to be Not great this year And then next year They're going to be like A 50 win team Like I feel like every team Takes time to adjust to Rudy Gobert

And like you specifically Remember when Mike Conley Went to Utah in that first year, he sucked ass. I don't know if we can curse on here. Because Marcusal was so fundamentally different of a big man. I feel like they have to adjust to having a big man in the paint because last year they were such a heavily spaced offense.

They were first and three-point attempts last year. They're middle of the pack now. I'm a strong believer, you're right. They're going to suck ass this year. But I'm also a strong believer that Kat and Gobert are never going to work because Kat can't defend on the perimeter to save his life. And that's a bigger issue than Rudy Gober's presence. Yeah, absolutely.

And something else to point out is that on top of your Mike Conley note, it turns out in an interview that I watched, I think it was in here, so much like, Anthony I've said that he's never played with, uh, in the, with a big man so dominant who's like mainly does all his dirty work in the paint, like Rudy over, all of these guys have been like search five, it's college, high school, and whatever middle school level that you think is relevant. I don't think any of middle school level is relevant. Yeah.

Listen, either way, look, the wolves, I disagree with you, Jacob. I think they're going to suck until they make a move. I think somebody has to go. There's just like, I think the spacing with Kat and Gobert just offensively, defensively, it's just too weird. Somebody has to go, and they just traded basically six first round picks for one guy. So, I mean, listen, look, we're talking about the trade episode. Cat might have to be on this list next year. Sheesh.

frankly i wish the timber wolves i wish the timber wolves recognized that ant is the future and built around them built the team in that way yeah that's how i feel what they did was the antithesis of building around aunt that's the crazy part like it's not even that they neglected it by saying we can try to bend both ways they actively made the team fit around him worse yeah and i'm like yeah but i also you can go ahead i hate whenever teams just don't consolidate with the like star player or wherever they presume to be like the future of their franchise when it comes to most like actually pivotal movable pivotal moves that can actually affect like you know what I'm saying the star player as well in the future you know like it's not that good it huh I say it's not that good to where I'm calling a bang asking what he wants to do oh you're crazy it's run to buy you people did rush the crown ant a little fast yeah

it can be a franchise cornerstone I think or ask him ask him his fun keeps a good head on his shoulders he can he can't he can but like he's easier too we just got to the plus for the first time what am i going to do calling him of asking yeah when he got in the playoffs he looked like him at times he's not all the time is he like a top 10 player to where to where like he's on that level to where you would i think he could be as fringe top 10 guy five years from now and then i think in five years once he he's done his part, then we can have that conversation where I'm asking him what he wants to do. Because it's still, everything's still new in Minnesota.

Well, we talk, I also, I will say this about the Rudy Gobert thing. And this is specific to Ant, because especially he had the comments about like not being able to get in the paint and he had his issues with dunking earlier on in the season. And it's like, I hope they understand that like, at least at this point in the NBA, playing in that kind of spacing is a privilege not the expectation. If you can't handle having a big man in the paint, that's going to be a problem for you. For sure.

Because that's not a situation you're going to run into constantly. So if anything, it's an adjustment that needs to be made because if you can't handle a lack of all other four players being able to shoot, if that's going to be a detriment to you and your team's offense, you're going to struggle in most schemes. Yeah, you'll never be a high-level playmaker if you can't hit a simple dump-off pass to a big man. Yeah. Alright, well, last hot take.

Cyberbeast says that the Warriors should trade all their young players. Who are we considering the young players? Camingo, Wiseman, and Moody. I was going to say, Poole's not going nowhere. He's going to go to the goddamn G-League. So who the fuck? What can you get for him? That's what I'm saying?

Pack a Charverst? But what the fuck they're going to get for him? Pack a Starburst? Right now you hold on to Wiseman because his stock could not be any lower. Yeah, exactly. I don't think you gain anything from trading him right now. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, even if you package Moody with that, like, what's the best you can get?

They're going to go out and get Miles Turner, like, I guess. Yeah, Warriors fans got way too ahead of themselves, and they're like, oh, man, you know, we got this. We're over here doing it at the same time. A lot of people said that we couldn't do these two things at once develop a young core while also winning a championship. They want a championship, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, so I mean, they did it. They did it, but like, I'm pretty sure they'd rather have more depth than what they have right now or any other assets. They got the chip.

They got the chip. If it's going to take like, like, obviously you would like both things to happen. I think everything worked out like perfectly. But just I would say, listen, this is the, this is an L take because I think that they should still hold on to Wiseman. They should hold on to at least either one of Moody or Kaminga. They shouldn't trade all of them. But I think you're right in that all the young players can't flourish. And you should try to get value for one of them.

Well, who is that player? then? I will, I could I interest Golden State in a fresh Alex Caruso in exchange for Moses Moody. I think they'd probably do that. Take the deal. I would be happy with that on the bull side of things too because Moses Moody is a young player with a good amount of upside who's looked good in the minutes that he's played. Yeah, but it's like, why can't he get more minutes? You know what I mean? Like he kills the G.E. League every time, destroys

his hair. It looks like he doesn't belong, but Kamiga's getting minutes. Why can't he earn those minutes from Steve Curry? Yeah, Steve Kerr has some questionable rotations. he's a freak I hate a lot of coaches I have a lot of coaches just treat young players any slight mistake you know that they do

fucking immediately call time out stop everything and they go ahead and get in the young players that's about fucking fouling or doing some dumb ass foul that once in a lot everybody does you're trying to win around Steph Curry you can't tolerate too much bullshit

I get it but bro Dremont does the dumbass shit all the time man they can't mess around too much no he does he is a generational defender but he does idiotic everybody does idiotic things once in a while yeah but he has four rooms to back it up Moses moody's doing it more than once in a while that's where the issues come up from

yeah sure but yeah so where are we're on this w take i guess oh i think it's a l take yeah i'd say all is an extreme and i would have been more in favor of that extreme if the value of those players was higher because like if you could get a group a fantastic bench out of trading those guys sure but like I think even after

you trade them you'd have a midbench yeah well who could this is the trade episode let's talk about it let's start the whole process of going through all these teams that could potentially make trades if you were the warriors who were to trade those people what are the type of trade packages you'd be looking for realistically

I mean their starters their starters net rating is pretty dang good so it's mostly been a bench problem and it's primarily been a defensive problem Exactly. So you're probably going to want to target defensive wings and probably someone who can competently play back up center. And do you have, does anybody have any names in mind? Eudanus has one.

Well, like I said, Alex Caruso on the Bulls makes a lot of sense. If they're going to sell the farm, he's, yeah, and do it better probably. He's probably a little good bit better than Gary Payton. But Gary Payton was great on the warrior side. don't know he's definitely better than Gary Peyton we can give me that I don't want to be too biased so I'm just trying to be sure

what do we think about Moamba I know he's available mobile I would not trade comminga or Moody for Moamba I think I would probably just tried to why not why not there's so much what's the what's the whole there's so many Moamba's fine there's so many attempts though to like replace

Kevon Looney Kevon Looney should continue to be the starter and it's fine. I don't know why everyone's always looking to replace that guy and like there aren't really going to be that many backup center minutes for the Warriors in the playoffs. So why trade like they're going to either run Kevin Looney or they're going to run their small ball lineup. So when I say get a guy who can competently play backup center, I mean someone who probably won't even be in the playoff rotation because that's how the Warriors run things. So trading for putting all your chips on a center I think doesn't really make sense for the Warriors. I would primarily look at wing and guard defenders. Yeah, but also for the regular season, like they're kind of at the point on the regular season where they also have to fight receding. Like, weirdly enough, they're at that point where they really need to.

And like you've seen in the regular season, that backup big has kind of been an issue. Draymond Green sets out some games for management. They're not playing the tight rotation where they're playing Kavanaughn exclusively there. So I think there is some value to putting a limited resources there. But I see your point for the playoffs where

there was a three-team deal that fell apart that was between the buck's sons and rockets yeah yeah what if uh the warriors got it on j crowder and instead of grason allen to the rockets for uh eric gordon instead it's moses moody for eric ordin or something like that that's not a defensive option but that's a that's a veteran player i personally would prefer a defensive outlook but that's you know something It's not a bad idea at all. I can see that. Wait, no, wait, wait, I'm fucking this up in my head.

The Warriors get Jay Crowder. The Bucks get Eric, or not the Bucks, Jesus Christ. Yeah, the Bucs. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, the sons get Eric Gordon. There we go. The sons get Eric Gordon. What was that time you spoke funny?

20 minutes, 20 minutes before this podcast. Oh, man. We got him. Sorry, the sons, the sons get Eric Gordon, the Warriors get J. Crowder. and the Rockets get Moses Moody. Jay Crowder makes sense off the Warriors bench. I can see that. I feel like they value Moses Moody higher than that to do that,

despite the fact that they don't play. But I feel like Kaminga's value is too high too for like just Jay Crowder. I mean, I think they both present an equal amount of value right now. I think Moody is a better contributor in the moment, but Kaminga probably has a higher ceiling. But in just terms of pure trade value, I think it's relatively similar. At least it should be to me.

I think Musi's moosey. Moody is kind of underrated. No, I don't know. I think Kaminga's trade values, it might be a tier above Moody just because he's a much better athlete than he is. And he's like, Kaminga's just that dude where he's just like that raw talent

that you're just waiting for somebody to mold. and it's like, okay, if we can get somebody with all these tools and we can put him in the right system, then he's going to flourish. And I think, like, he kind of fits a little bit better with kind of any other team because he's still so raw. And so that's why I think like... He kind of reminds me of, like, what Jalen Brown was when he was a rookie. You know who is crazy?

Duncan would be the perfect. Dunkin the hell out of the ball. I'm really energetic but can't shoot worth shit. Can't dribble for shit? You know who I think would be the perfect, you know what I'm saying? person for this this empty role that the warriors have that needs to be filled asap cam fucking reddish he can at bare minimum play we all know this we all see this and i'm not saying this like and usually hit

his threes yeah exactly let's talk about cam reddish oh yeah let's do a lot of places he can go a lot of places he can go a lot of places but i can almost guarantee you the warriors aren't one of them his style of playing with what the warriors do no chance they could they could just throw two seconds though like it's a cheap like investment do you remember when they tried to put kelly ubra in that system what happened oh kelly ubery was disgusting they made it look like he couldn't understand the offense they made it look like kelly ubrae didn't have a third grade education like he could not come right i'm not going to lie when you watch him in charlotte it's not that dramatically

different the shots are going in more but yeah cam reddish isn't a low IQ player like i guess you could say kelly ubrae might that might have been but he's not playing off ball running off of screens playing this beautiful game like it's not really what his style is conducive to yeah but he's also not too shot happy like he's not going to force up bad shots like kelly does necessarily yeah at times i think let's talk about cam reddish because like you said cam reddish is available for potentially like two seconds i know there's a report that they're going to use him to get off of evan fournier what are other teams we think make sense for him the lakers the grizzlies we can say that for everybody yeah no but like i mean he's a pretty good defensive

guy you can kind of shoot almost every team likes that. Yeah, exactly. True. Yeah. I don't know. I think, I think, I think the, I think the Lakers should, should make a play for, for him and Fornier. And if they could, they could figure out a way to maybe to get rid of Pat Bev, right, and get rid of, like, listen, you get rid of Pat Bev, you get rid of Kendrick Nunn, maybe, and try to get Cam Redis in the building. I think that fit, Like like you said, you get, you get yourself like a kind of like a kind of 3 and D guy and you're cooking with something more than more than whatever Pat Bev is getting you right now. It's tricky financially though. That's for sure.

The issue is Evan Fornier's money is I think he has another year on his contract, whereas Patrick Beverly is expiring and Kendrick Nunn is expiring to the point where you're putting $20 million extra dollars on the cap by doing that move for this offseason. And just for, even just for, even just for, even just for this season, the only way they can make that happen is that they traded Russ, because the Pat Bev and Nunn package get them up to, I think, 20 million or 20, I think it was 22.5. So, them combined make more than that. So the only way we can do that is if we trade Russ. And if you're trading Russ and getting off those picks, you're kind of making, that's like your big move. And doing that for fucking Evan Fornier as a main draw is pretty disgusting. How much money does Cam Reddish make? Like, like six, seven?

Yeah, I think so. Millier. Let's put this in the trade machine right now. Let's see. It's just a little bit too much for that. I mean, you could throw in one more player to make the salary work, though, but it's not making it trade Russell Westbrook. I think the salary works.

I just, I think the Lakers are fully of the mindset of just playing through this year and hoping they can do their best in the offseason when they have some cap space. I think you're right in terms of trading both picks with Russ, like that was originally planned. Like, people were obviously the Patriot trade was the big draw everyone talked about. but I can definitely see them trading one of those picks for whether that be with Russ or with Nunn in Beverly.

I think one we can talk about is the Boyan-Bogdanovich deal that everyone likes to talk about. Boyan-Ogdonovitch for that package. I think that's very plausible. I like that one too. Well, Bogdanovich, I'm pretty sure, can't be traded until this off-season, though. He could trade tomorrow, I'm pretty sure.

No, I could have swore because he signed a contract extension. He's stuck with the... Oh, you're right. He did sign a contract extension. Is he? I feel like all the... rumors mills been led by him. I know Chris Haynes put an article today and he was like mentioned on there. When I put it in the trade machine they said that he's not beat you can't trade it be traded until the draft. Perhaps you're right but I'm going to trust for content let's trust Chris Haynes and pretend that he can be traded see what happens. I know because he also mentioned

like the sons are into him and like all these contending teams are looking at Bogdanovich do you think the Lakers is the trade that makes the most sense or you want to see him on another team because I think him on the sons be focused on the Lakers need him the most. The Lakers need him to most that's for sure like he can shoot 40 plus percent on eight attempts from three like he's a sniper and he can create his own offense a little bit too that's exactly what they need yeah yeah i think whatever it was the patience trade was reported that i mean the patience the jazz trade whenever people were saying they could get him rudy gay and conley for russ and two picks i was like god no who wants rudy gay and connolly for your all the move but if it's just bogdanovitch for one pick

and filler i think that makes a lot more sense for them yeah is is there so like Obviously, if we're talking about the Lakers and you have like this all in move, I don't think that's, that's not happening. Like, I don't, I don't think this, yeah, I don't think this, this trade of getting off of Westbrook is happening this year. I think, I think, I think, I think that a couple things. One, they probably have tricked themselves into thinking that Westbrook is good enough off the bench to stay. And they, they seem to have had every reason to trade Russ up until this point. and they just haven't done it. And so I don't think that now is going to be the time.

And then, like you said, they have been very, very hesitant to give up that pick. And I know that they said, like, that they're open to it and doing it again. But unless they're getting kind of a star minus back, I don't know if they're going to do it. And so, like, if you're talking about Russ and a first and obviously from the outside looking in, yeah, it makes sense you have to capitalize on LeBron and AD who's back now. but I don't think that the Lakers are in on it internally to make that deal. Yeah, from every indication of what the reporting from Shams, Chris Haynes and everybody says, is they're only going to trade both picks if they can get a star,

but apparently they're open to trading one pick if we can net them some kind of smaller like we're talking about. But yeah, I think you're right when it comes to like the big deal everyone dreams of. You know what is interesting. This is right thing. Have you have anyone, what if like with the way the Houston, not Houston are that, the Philadelphia 76ers are constructed you know Joel and bleed has been going fucking crazy and feels like

almost no one cares pretty much and uh I'm just over here sitting and looking at this roster I do care a little bit yeah you care a little bit care at least more than Devin Booker for sure but everyone's here go fuck by Devin Booker yeah I'm looking at this 76s the roster I'm like damn I like Tyrese Halb Tyrese has a third option you want to be James Target, you know what I'm saying,

one to two, whatever cool. But I'm looking at Tobias Harris and I'm like, he really doesn't need to be here like that. What does he, what does he do like ultra-positive or ultra-value with my team? You know what I'm saying? My mind, he doesn't do too much. And I'm like, if Tobias Harris was an option for the Lakers,

would that be a trigger that you'd want to, that you'd want to pull? No. Really? No, not at all. Really? Why? I'm okay, I guess, I mean, he fits better.

What would the trade look like in your head? because obviously that would require Russell Westbrook to fit the money yet I think you would have to I don't know how much longer Tobias has on his contract but you might have to throw a singular a singular pig in there so because Tobias is better than Westbrook so do you think the 76ers are currently in the mode where they're willing to dump him for nothing like I was thinking about more than I was thinking of this more so on the Lakers side of things let me ask you this though what do the Lakers benefit from getting rid of a first round pick just to put $30 million on their cap sheet next off season

for Tobias fucking Harris. They get the most mid-third option imaginable. That's what they benefit. They get somebody who's going to shoot two for nine in a playoff game and play very mediocre defense and grab six rebounds. Trades are not just about the players. That money difference is huge.

And I'm confident the Lakers are not going to lock themselves into some bad deal. I've seen people suggest they trade Gordon Hayward for rest. Gordon Hayward has an extra year on his deal As bad as Russ can be And even though he's been better of late He's a lot better than he was last year Because now he expires after this one

Exactly Especially because they're star hunting next year That's a huge difference maker I also want to say this About the whole Indiana Pacers trade I think now that AD is playing center And dominating at center That trade idea goes out the window

You are spitting 100% People love to still throw that out Because Miles can be like basically a stretch four, but we're seeing Miles E as the only big finally with Sabonis gone. We're seeing ADE as the only big with no just like placeholder

center next to him. There's no reason for either team to try to make that happen. Not even a buddy heel still there. He's always been What was that? Not even with Buddy Heard. I would trade for Buddy Healed individually. I feel like his value has was kind of plummeted because he's been kind of ass recently too. Not plumbing. He started the year hot. I wouldn't

know. Has he been asked lately? I know he started the year pretty good. I haven't got to the past six or so games some 40% from the field if I'm a mistake let me back check that I mean 90% of his attempts are three so yeah yeah what's it call I know um buddy Hill's name people throw around now with Bogdanovich in that package for healed beverly and one first-on-pick I think that makes like shit by the way you're shooting 44% from the field yeah you you got to give it up fabrication I love fake news yeah but even then do we think buddy Hill is worth one first-on-pick I guess you're like I think so

I think so yeah if he's not worth the first round pick what I guess it depends on what the first round pick is that Lakers first questionably That's what I mean But like a pick that's more likely than not going to be like 23rd How many 23rd overall picks end up being better than buddy healed

Not for sure of them Yeah I just mean in the Lakers instance Where it's who knows what the fuck their teams look like in 2027 That's where it's like Uh buddy healed I mean he's not going to make you that great he's not going to be a substantial playoff performer

if his defense doesn't look better than has in the past. I think the value he represents on the Lakers is the fact that he's a shooter, shooter. Like, bonafide, shoots the fuck out of the ball, and the Lakers could really use someone like that.

True. What do you guys think about the framework that people have been floating around of doing something like that? Let's say it's Buddy Healed with the nun, Beverly, and first-on-pick, and then using Russ

and a first-on pick to get even more depth. let's say it's the spurs and getting Jason Richardson I mean not Jason Richardson whoa Josh Richardson and Doug McDermott and I forgot who the third person is that makes sense money-wise what do you think about that so they're using both first-on-picks but in two separate deals so they're getting a fuck ton of depth I don't think Rob Polinket has the IQ for that sounds nice though it sounds nice but it sounds like you know you and your GM bag right now and sadly I'm just sorry to say what

Rob, I'm telling you, more likely than not the best course of action for the Lakers is just to hunker down and wait. Yeah. So you wouldn't do that if the option was available? Sorry, what? So you wouldn't do that if the option was available, that exact trade? What were the trades again? Because you said I'm real fast. He's high as fuck, though.

No, I'm not. Dude, I'm always like this. I'm always high as fuck. Okay. So the first one is Beverly Nunn and the first round pick. Let's call it 2027 for Buddy Heald. And the second trade is Russell Westbrook and the second first round pick to, let's call it the Spurs for Josh Richardson, Doug McDermott, and the third guy to fit money. I can't remember.

I can't remember. I think it's a second-round exit tops, though. Really? Like, I really do. Damn. I think maybe most likely a second-round exit, but I think that that type of depth gives them the potential to, like, has a swing of a chance.

I'd be another team of the West. Do you realize how much it's going to suck when 2027 hits and you don't have that pick? Oh, it's going to be miserable. It's going to be awful. Do you know how much that's really going to suck? Like, that, trading those picks is no small thing. Yeah, I can't even conceptualize 2029.

it listen it is it's hard to imagine we'll be alive it is it is going to suck if you don't have that that 27 pick but this is something that we talked about before if you're not willing to go all in with lebron and ad then blow it up right now and trade every and trade everybody you you i am willing to go either way but none of those trades are like worthwhile like i think it's possible i don't know i think you can just do better for those picks than Doug Riederman and a Doug doesn't really inspire confidence and buddy healed I love me some Dougie McBuckets I think the buddy healed my I think that's the best deal out of everything and I think that even if you just got him that would be a massive upgrade for this listen they they have Patrick

Beverly given the minutes right now like they not good ones you know that's exactly so like if they can get buddy healed and like like and you said he's a shooter shooter so if you can get some actual spacing on the floor with Bronnan A. then you go for it and you do it and you try to capitalize on the last years of his prime. I love how Pat Bev being so shit just like completely lets Kendrick Nunn skate by while Kendrick Nunn has also been fucking horrendous

he went from not playing a single game for them last year to being God fucking awful this year like we just don't pay it any mind. Do you know how long they were on that whole wait for Kendrick Nunn? But like what's crazy is Patrick Beverly went to the Lakers and immediately forgot how to shoot He's been like a career 38% on decent enough volume guy. Like, not a great shooter, but, like, capable.

And he just turned into a brick house. As soon as he put a Lakers jersey on. Whenever I see... Bro, whenever I see Patrick Beverly on the Lakers now, it's like I don't even acknowledge his existence, maybe once in all, it'll get a bucket if it's a good day. But other than that, like, I see him just do one random ass harsh file where he's, like, clapping aggressively, you know what I'm saying,

helping his teammates whatever the fuck you do But that's it That's it's it's it's that's his bag for sure It's just live If Patrick Beverly ever got a bust made of him Or like a statue made of him It's going to be him clapping Oh sure

What a nasty signature move Yeah Holy shit That's a wild Another name that was floated out today Is Kyle Kuzma Who's on the last year of his deal Didn't get an extension

And apparently he's available with the price is right and Chris Haynes also reported the Lakers made exploratory calls which just means they're like hey is he available and lizards like I don't know he makes like he makes 13 mil right yeah yeah something like that's what it is which I mean in theory that'd be a great player from to have but I do think he'd be interesting for the calves oh that's a good fit the calves they've been needing that three I understand Tatum's like big for a three but like they can just even double down on the size thing it's true like we also have a 610 small forward fuck you that's awesome I mean it's what they do

at Lowry he's way more mobile than Lowry I'm with it 100% I know people I'm planning it all I like that that could also be a target for the Suns who have been in these rumors a lot yes he's that's that's a connection I've seen a lot and was one of my trades that I did in a trade video recently I definitely like Kuzma to the Suns because they could use ironically a defensive forward but j crowder decided that he can't handle coming off of the bench even though he's going to be coming off of the bench for every other team in the league what a fumble underratedly terrible move on jruder's very petty yeah i mean that that's what that's what you get

they were letting him run around there like he was pot calling him boss man 99 like he's listen you got to know your place you got to know your role and we let jruder be we let jruder we let jruder you know boost his ego like some people need to be shamed and jay I'm glad he's going, I'm glad he's going through this. He needs to learn his place, man. You're not that guy. You're not that guy. Jay Crowder is in the class of like Trevor Areza,

like that tier of player that like is always like, you know, if you trade for him, he's going to help you win a championship. You're not talking about Robert Covington, P.J. Tucker. Yeah. That's what he's a LeBron stopper. He's a Tatum stopper. That's hilarious. I know, um,

what do you all think about Cozman to the Kings? I think they've been linked to him for like fucking years now since he was a later. I think there's potential trades back in the day of them trading him for Namansa Bializa back in LeVrons first year. I mean, they have Keegan Murray. They have Keegan Murray long term.

Oh, hell no. No, no, no, no. You do not trade Keegan Murray. No, no, no, no. I'm saying they don't need Kuzma because they have Kikin Murray. Okay, thank God. I thought you were sick. No, no. I'm not a fucking lunatic. I was like, my goodness. Yeah. Murray at Summerlee.

I'm with that. Thinking about the Kings and any trade rumors doesn't move me at all. I don't want to talk about the Kings. It's because it's like, they got a good thing going on. Could that, you know? That would, you should work in the Kings front office, though, because that's a very Sacramento move. Kyle Kuzma for Kagan Murray.

Oh, God. Some shit they would do. Yeah, I don't know what they do what they would look like. But, I mean, so some people say they don't need Kuzma X they have Kagan Murray. But I think both them can play next to each other. I don't mind that as a forward pairing next to Subonis. It's not necessarily going to help their, flaws but like i like it you also got barns there though yeah well i think he's on the way out

in this scenario oh probably yeah i don't know yeah i wouldn't do that he's like isn't his contract expiring this season i'm not sure what his contract looks like i know he's been rumored to be traded for the past 18 months and nothing's happened so i've stopped thinking about him harrison barnes still has two years left left on his deal he has two years 18 million yeah i remember he resigned to some like really long night extension yeah um but yeah he's always in one of those role players that i've been weirdly fascinated with second video i ever made on youtube was about harrison barns love that what was the title uh this is when he just freshly joined the mavericks and for the first like for the first

like three weeks of the season he had averaged like 23 points a game so the video was titled and mind you I was 16 when I made this is Harrison Barnes a franchise player fuck man that's so nasty I say he's terrible what I want to know is if you were today making that video what would you title it is Harrison Barnes him it would be titled this video is about Harrison Barnes so it's not going to get any fucking views I can't imagine telling a whole video on Harrison Barnes immediate 10 out of 10 that's that's some six one more name we're talking when we're talking about the Kings is today was reported looking at John Collins who's apparently available like always probably

won't get traded like always would you do that that's kind of doubling down that'd be an interesting back court that'd be an interesting front court dynamic for Harrison Barnes that's super interesting I don't know if it's just Harrison Barnes the deal would be more than that but in general would you like John Collins I think honestly Harrison Barnes for John Collins straight up makes sense to me me. I don't think John Collins value is that high. I really don't. Damn, how far

he's falling? I mean, Harrison Barnes is like an A-minus role player. Like, he's really quite solid. Yeah, I would put them... And exactly what the Hawks could use. I would put them damn near on the same tier. And Harrison Barnes

gives the Hawks something so, so different than what John Collins can offer. And I don't like say that's a slight John Collins at all. He just does something different for us and like he has this like natural limitations for us. Whenever we're like a lot of how many. Oh, bring your own shot or

whatever dumb as shit they say. It's just like, why would you want to, why would you want that to have him do what he's good at? You know what I'm saying? And Harrison Barnes can do a lot of those type of things that John Collins simply cannot do. And I feel like that will benefit the Hawks and it'll with this new I don't want to, okay, point blank period.

I don't want to do any trade with the Hawks until they get rid of Nateman Bill because Harrison Martin is going to be doing the same shit that John cons has been doing, which is a whole lot of nothing. We accidentally got moaned his bag. Shut the fuck. A whole lot of none.

Keep going, let it go. Let it go. I just don't want to see. I don't. I just don't want to see it happen until Nate is gone. It doesn't move the needle at all. Of course. I don't think there's any Harrison Barnes trade that moves the needle.

If we're talking about like to a championship tier. Lord no. But like, how good has DeAndre Hunter been this DeAndre Hunter's been okay. He hasn't been stellar, but he hasn't been trashed. I feel like she's the same every year no matter what. He is what he is. Honestly, DeAndre Hunter, like, Harrison Barnes is like a not unrealistic vision for him. So I'd be like having a more realized DeAndre Hunter instead of John Collins. Yeah, Deiondegro has his holes as a player. Like he has insane tunnel vision. He doesn't pass. It's like either, yo, I'm taking a tough ass mid-range of him and it's not going to win. Does this pretty good shooter. Or he's taking like a contested ass. lay up just one of those two things almost at all times so he's been all right yeah he hasn't been like fantastic his contract's high i don't know i don't know he's he's not i love this

let's keep going with your hawks keep you in your bag so you don't want to trade john collins if they were to trade john collins you know it's coming it's impending what deal do you want to see happen bro any deal that they try to make for john collins they're going to lose because they've like them i feel like they've diminished john collins's value if you're going to to do it, Nick, fucking do it like last year or two years ago. At this point, you're shooting yourself from the fucking foot, bro. Why are you laughing at me, dog?

Remember the Nick's fan? What is your team want to do, Donovan? You are they barely your goddamn team? Listen, no, I wouldn't even... Talk about camera. Listen, time out, time, time, time, time. That's not what we're going to do, because I wouldn't even laughing, like, at the hog situation.

I was laughing. It was something, it was something that you said, and we could discuss it off camera. And that, that's what made me laugh. If we're talking about the Knicks, I don't want them to, my vision for them doesn't come from a player trait. I think that Tibbs needs to be fired. That's my, that's, that's, that's what I want to happen in the immediate future. And then once that happens, then we can start talking about everything. But, I mean, we traded a first, we traded a first for, for Cam Redish. And he's

getting no run right now. And if we were to trade him, and if we were to trade him, we were to trade him, we're either getting like a low second round pick or just you know just some just some guys back and it's just completely mismanagement of of cam redish and it's ridiculous and we're just taking up roster spots we have evan fournier somehow try to get off of off of fournier's contract there's a there's a lot going going on the salary cap those those players will be fine we're going to be a mid-team right the hope for this season is the playing the number one thing though tibs has to go and some like new era of nicks basketball has to start and that's the that's the main thing yeah exactly tib sucks no he please please talk about can you

talk about it because i don't want to talk about it tibs was the tips was the first head coach that i've ever had as a fan because he was the coach of the chicago bulls when i started watching basketball and i have always detested when a head coach their whole philosophy was i really care about this one side of the ball and the other one, fuck it if I care. And that's his whole approach has always been defense, defense, defense. And if I have a good defender, I'm going to run them into the goddamn ground. Jimmy Butler in 2014 having zero offensive skill set, average 14 points a game surely off of the fact that he played 39 minutes a night. And like, literally Derek Rose even said in his MVP season that Tibbs only cares about defense on offense we can do whatever we

want what kind of shit is that like you're not a just that's how you get Julius Randall that's how you get Julius Randall you're not a fucking defensive coordinator my guy you're supposed to coach both sides of the ball that's funny RJ Merrick can do whatever he wants and he still isn't good in anything how tragic is that oh my fucking god though it's not it's not great he was real He was really nice for the last, like, couple of months of last year, and it really seemed like that vision was going to be real life. If we were to do a redraft of the 2019 NBA draft, I wonder where RJ Bear will fall.

I mean, he's really. I did a 2019 redraft. I don't know where I had him. I got to see who's in that draft now. Yeah. Yeah. But, listen, look, Andrew, when it comes to next, Andrew's right.

Like, when you are the coach, when you, when you're the coach, that comes in and you say, I care about defense. And the defense isn't working. And to give the Knicks credit, they've played better over the last, like, week or so. Their defense is starting to get up. They're 11th and defensive rating on the season. So it's starting to go in the right direction. But when this is your thing is defense and you can't provide it at a consistent level,

what do I need you here for? Right? I can go get somebody who cares about offense. And I can, I can win a couple more games because if you're just, solely focused on defense, then we have a situation like in 2020 where we need Julius Randall to average 24, 10, and 6, and be an all NBA player. And he's, he's not that. That's not him.

So, like, let's go get somebody else and let's try something different. We have, we have the bleakest set of favorite teams in this room right now. Yeah. The Lakers, the Knicks, the Hawks, and the Bulls. How are the Hawks and most prosperous of these teams? Yeah, bro. Yeah, we're down bad. The most prosperous team is barely above 500.

Exactly. I feel like the Hawks also have the same exact issue as the next, except it's like so much worse because we have actual like promising talent on our team, franchise worthy type of talent, two all stars legit on our team. You know, meanwhile you're fucking about with Jalen Brunson and, like, Mitchell Robinson. We're just like you except we have good players. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I'm not, I'm not going to lie. That one hurt.

That one hurt. I don't even have, I don't even have anything to come back for that. You're right. Yeah, real quick, real quick. We've given way too much attention to the Knicks and Hawks. We haven't done nearly enough to make fun of the Bulls. We've let, we've let Jacob skate by. We need to talk about the Bulls and what they should do.

I thought I was a guess. What kind of shit is this? No, we're turning the camera to you. It's no kind of hospitality. No, none. Absolutely none. How sick would you be? How sick would you be if you're a fan of a team like the Bulls,

You go ahead and trade away, like, some of the young players did you trade away guys like Larry Market and Flourishing or whatever. Wendell Carter Jr. flourishing. Oh, Larry Marketing. You know what I mean? Is that necessary? Bro that. Go ahead. Bring up Wendell Carter next.

Wendell Carter fucking flourishing. And, of course, getting draft, Franz Warn. Do you know how much I believed in the back court of Lowry Market and the Wendell Carter? Do you know how much that would fuck if those guys were teammates right now? What did you just say? How much that would fuck? You know how much it would fuck if they were teammates right there? You haven't heard that?

You haven't heard that before? I've never heard that before. That's crazy. You ever heard someone say like that fucks when something's good? I've heard this guy fucks. This is that kind of thing. I just say that things fuck. This is a divide right here.

I just say that things fuck. That's crazy. I've never heard that. I just say that things fuck and because in my friend group in the group chat that Muhammad is in, even though he's apparently never heard this, we all say that fucks now because they've adopted my lingo you're the group leader anyways it would fuck what was what was even the subject what should the bulls do are you in favor or trade everybody look you want to know how fucking delusional i am right yes i have decided in my head

that if we traded everybody and tanked adam silver would be a homie and rigged the draft for us to get the first pick. I really feel like it's finally our turn. I think if we did it, I think if we committed to it and got into that top four, that lottery ball would spin and we would get Victor Webb and Yama. And I would finally, I would quit therapy. I would get off of my pills. I wouldn't need it anymore. Because it would be over. The Bulls have a superstar franchise player. Do you know how much I would kill for a superstar franchise player to be on my basketball team? The closest I've seen to a superstar franchise player is Jimmy Butler, and they immediately traded him because they had no idea how to build around him.

It took him until their last year to realize that maybe he should run the offense off of the dribble because he's a great playmaker. They're like trying to, they had Derek Rose next to him we couldn't shoot. They have Rajon Rondo next to him we couldn't shoot. And then they realized, wait a minute, point Jimmy Butler is kind of awesome. But instead of doing anything with that, they traded them. Those are such dark times. Rondo, Wade, and Jimmy.

Hey, they made the playoffs. They made the playoffs. Yeah, they made the playoffs and almost had a 1-8 upset until Rondo got hurt. Facts. But either way, like, it went from that to, like, a rebuild to eventually be a mid-playoff team again. And now they're bad again. so we just spent five years building to a rebuild I love every every guess we have on the pod

is a sad bulls fan it's right back to another goddamn rebuild I have been a fan of this team since 2012 which means I didn't even get to witness MVP Derrick Rose mind you so I started in 2012 they have won 50 games one time since 2012

damn okay so they have won one playoff series and my entire time as a fan you're down horrendous he's lit right now damn okay so if you're committed to Victor wabaniana falling into your lap by the grace of god himself Adam Silver what do you think these traits look like where should they send to Rosen where should they send Levine which graves should they send who's many get as many what grade should they trade him to he might be a good rebounder for a 10th grader anyways

He's not even a bad rebounder. That's not the thing I should take a shot at. There's a lot of other stuff. Yeah, a lot of other stuff. I mean, I could pull up the trades that I literally put out in a video very recently. Pull up the trades right now. Let's hear it. I had Gary Trent and a first round pick for Zach Levine and like Zalry filler.

That's kind of cheap in my mind. I don't think, I don't, Zach Levine is like teetering on being a negative asset right now. Damn, that sounds negative? Wow. He started off He started off this season really poorly And he's going to make $50 million in four years Damn

Damn You're down so bad Oh wait Come out He'll look better Hopefully unless his knees just degenerative He's been turned He's turned the tides

A little bit more positively lately I blame that on his team I'll just put I can give you the tiniest trade ever One of them that I came up with Andre Drummond and Javante Green To the Celtics for Peyton Fritz Richard in two seconds.

Oh my God, he is down in the trenches. This man is in perfect. You need help. You need help. Richard Traits. Look, I'm just trying to get everybody off of the roster. So that's one of the ways to trade the lower value players. Wow.

All right. That's crazy. Obviously, DeRosen's been linked to the Lakers a lot for obvious reasons. I did not put together a DeRosen trade because I can't, he's a tough one. Yeah, let's do it. It's hard. Like, looking through all the teams I could potentially use him. I don't know.

He's a very specific type of player For a specific team Yeah, you have to shift your entire fucking franchise For someone like DeRose a damn near I tell you what If uh The Knicks is the answer If DeAndre Aton

If the sons are actually still looking to trade him When they really just shouldn't But for some reason The reports consistently say that they are If the Bulls could get on on that I would be very happy with that because that would be somebody interesting to watch through a rebuild. And I think him and Victor Webb and Yama would be really fun too.

Obviously, this is a fantasy that's never going to come to be because I don't deserve happiness. But, like, D'Andre is the center of Victor is the power for it. That almost sounds like a Brooke Lopez-Yonis type shit on defense, obviously. We'll see. Jesus. We're talking about a 19-year-olds, so we'll see. We're talking about the 19-year-old. I can, I'm with it.

It is the 19 year old. Yes. No, I think the Knicks is the easy answer for De Rosen, just because, you know, they're star hungry. They need something. I don't think the Mavericks make some sense because he's a cheap enough salary that they could actually theoretically trade for him. Like, but, like, is Josh Green in a protected first round pick? Or not, let's say it's unprotected. Josh Green, a first round pick, Dwight Powell and, let's say, only the Maver's can trade two first.

after this year they can trade all their first i think i think they're going to have like next offseason to have their full slate to trade well that's still after this year then yeah yeah i think they can trade one first right now um but that for like dwight powell josh green's been really good for them so i'll take him and then a first round pick i don't know it's not a great return imagine josh green highlighting your best player being traded away oh man yeah first the first round picks more of the highlight. Josh Green's

been good for the Mavericks. Don't gaslight me. He's been fine. Yeah, he's been good. He's been a good role player and he's like 22. He's gaslighting himself.

Matt's fans believe in him a lot and think he has like secondary creation ability someday. So if you're one to bind to that, sure. I don't know about that. I think he'll be a good 3&D player. Yeah, that's much more like it.

Okay, so answer to me this. Does there any team the league that would want Nicole Vucevich. Yeah. Yeah. He makes $20 million, so that's a very tradable contract. And he's still a positive player.

Like, if Vujavich is your sixth man, he's a pretty awesome six man. I think the Hornets to do it. It would just have to be... Yeah, they would. Yeah, they would. Just because they're that pathetic. What the fuck? That's sad. I can't think of a more Charlotte Hornets move than Gilles. going a decade without acquiring a center

and then finally doing so and you get fucking Nicola Vuccivic that would be a very hornet's thing to do. Mason I don't even know if I was doing for Mason Al Jefferson. There's Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard. That's crazy. Those are the only two

bigs and Dwight was fine and Charlotte. He did have a 30-30 game though. I forgot about that. What a fucking random piece of history. Yeah. That's crazy. Do you think the Mavs would want it on him at all? You know, they have their whole white pride thing? I'm glad finally someone said it.

Absolutely not under Jason Kidd, because if he's not going to play Christian Wood for defensive reasons, why the hell would he trade for Nikola Vutrovich? True. Who else is there? If the D'Andyant thing is there, Vuccivich would more likely to not be a part of that move. And the sons would justify it. The sons would justify it in their heads as like, well, he can kind of do similar stuff and also shoot threes, except he really can't shoot threes anymore. But, you know, they don't know that. All this bull's talk is just sad.

They just run after, run after, right? No hope. No hope. I really need the Knicks. I need the Knicks to lose this game. Oh, boy. it's a three point game with or it's a tied game with 24 seconds left uh nix versus bulls is of course julius randall we might have to pause we might have to

pause this so we can watch the end of this game imagine uh julius randall missed a game winner it's going into overtime yeah of course he did he tends to do that it was can you guess what can you guess where it was from the left block it was from 16 feet from the basket Yep Step back Step back jumper You know what Real quick

Before we switch Topics real quick Miami hasn't been mentioned at all And they're looking like They need something They need to do Fucking something

With their roster We don't have to touch On They need to take their roster Out back And put it down Yeah Holy shit

Yeah man They got Kyle Lowry playing fucking being One of the league Lear's in minutes Which is Kyle Lowry's

Bones have to be touching at this point There's no way There's any part 50% right now dog and you know tire hero's doing his thing jennie bowler missed a lot of time but he's back now there's just a lot of tough shit going on right now

they're fucking having donis has them become a game again that's funny he's always starting something too and it's like if you don't sit your old ass on the bench man no no no no no we go we're gonna respect the OG we respect you Donna's Haslam around here I would respect him if he would just be an assistant coach already like he's supposed to be. Why?

He can get more money as the player. Yeah, I get that. I understand why he does it. I just think it's kind of sad. At this point, it's been so many years, it's like, fucking grow up here. Brother hasn't been a rotational player since 2012, and he's still in the NBA. Getting him checks. At a certain point, it's got to feel just like they're making fun of him.

I don't know if we can take yourself seriously quit it It's condescending Did you notice Haslam really mean that much To the heat as a franchise That they're still paying him Yeah probably He was a good role player

For two championships A really good one for one And he just didn't leave That's cold That's cold His biggest accomplishment is he didn't leave His biggest accomplishment is nobody offered him $80 million

there must be some crazy-ass story that eudanus has him has done or he's been a part of for the Miami Heat that'll come out in some random podcast when he's hopefully fucking retired and shit like that and it won't surprise me with these in the future

if certain shit comes out as to why he's there he has to done some monumental shit bro saved fucking Pat Riley's life or some shit like that I don't know bro he's definitely on my nightmare blunt rotation Oh my goodness That's funny

I think we had enough trade talk I think we move on to the TikTok topics Let's do what he's out in the last I'm talking for my life right now What's wrong with you Why are you always sick I know what's wrong with you I'm not always sick

I've known this guy since I was like 18 at this point He's every other podcast episode We would do in the past He was like by the way I'm sick And I have to listen to him sniffle And his mic the whole time I'm like, how does this keep happening? When it rains, do you immediately go outside?

Like, what's wrong with you? Rusty buckets is my number one ink. That's why. You give me the he be TVs. That's funny. It's just something about your presence makes me disgusting. Did y'all see the ringers top 100 list today? No.

I only got a quick glimpse of it. Perfect. By the way, I'm wearing a Trey Young shirt. I love that I love that I wonder So the ringer put out their top 100 list today

And we're going to play a little game Where I'm going to name a player And you would to guess What they ranked him as Sorry what I only heard the second half of that Fucking up the TikTok time, Jacob Shit

I'm sorry Yeah I said the ringer put out Top 100 list today So I'm going to name some players You've got to guess Where they ranked them So I have to account For the ringer's stupidity

On a scale of 1 to 10, how, okay, I'll ask this because I only skimmed it. On a scale of 1 to 10, how fucked up do you think this list is? It's not horrible. There's some notable what the fucks, but it's not that bad. The top 20 or so is generally pretty chocked. Like, you're not going to have too much wrong with it. So it gets more fucked up after the top 20. Oh, of course.

You know a hardest to rank 5375? That's fucking hell. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure you know better than anybody. So let's put this hook in. I'm going to name some players. Y'all let me know where the ringer ranked them.

Y'all let me know where you think the ringer ranked them in their top 100 list. Anthony Davis. They probably put him at like six, I would say. He has to be top 10. I'm going to say eight. Okay. I think I had him six on my personal list. I'm going to say they were a little more conservative and put him at eight.

Well, two out of three of you, we're completely right. It is number eight. I do what I do, man. And LeBron is number nine. That sounds like I lie. and I looked at the list that was way too and LeBron's number nine

so I don't know Oh, that's interesting Yeah I think that's how it should be What is this this piece off? Yeah Who the fuck knows? Certainly not this year

If LeBron's at nine I think it's like As if there was a constant moving list And you adjust it over time So it's like accounting for this year But not only this year Yeah, okay It's a weird list

Like it's very logically inconsistent in that way We'll get into it You'll see what was crazy watching that Bucks Lakers game and being like, oh, LeBron's the third best player on the floor right now. What the fuck?

Wild times, we're in. Okay. Zion Williamson. Say 12. I was just about to say 12 as well. I'm going to say they're probably a little low on him and put him at 15. Oh my fucking God.

Jacob knows everything. He's number 15. He got that. He looked at the screen. My phone is right here. I haven't been looking. at it you got a double monitor setup boy stop trying to fool me exactly i do not have this is a laptop bro okay anthony edwards oh i'm gonna say 30 uh so where we get spicy 27 36 some variability going on yeah 30 what is it yeah yeah i'll say 36 oh i didn't hear mo what you say 30

30 30 30 I'd say 27's too high I'm gonna change it too late you locked it in you locked it in bro all of you are way off he's number 46 he's behind Larry marketing and Jeremy Grant that's crazy that's just not true behind marketing and Jeremy Grant

Jeremy Grant I mean and this is based this has to be based off of this year because there's no way you'd put Jeremy over Edwards before this year or fucking Laurie too fuck yeah I would say Lowry not true Jeremy I kind of get it because he's averaging like an efficient 23 and playing lockdown D but I still think aunt is better even if grants maybe having a better season right now yeah 46 is wild I'm very low on Anthony Edwards but 46 Jesus Christ

yeah 40 is crazy as fuck yeah lamello ball lamella ball hasn't played for that's a complete that's not so fucking wild card he could be watch him watch watch why let mellow be higher than at i'm gonna say 41 yeah he could be anywhere from like 30 to fucking 70 in my mind bro so sweet 7 you got down i want to guess i want to guess lo and say he's 50 52 i was gonna say so 48 i didn't even get a chance to submit an answer you got to be fast man what was your guest gonna be how i was gonna say 50 something so I was going to be wrong regardless. I was going to say 48.

All right. Chris Paul. Chris Paul been on two cans of ass. Holy fuck. I'm going to go ahead and say, 80. Chris Paul. I'm going to say 70.

We're going to disrespect Chris Paul. Oh, my. 71. We're going to disrespect Chris Paul today. He's been two cans of Kyle Lowry's ass. He's been two cans of Kyle Lowry's app. But he also We also find out he's had two cans of Kim Kardashian's ass

That makes a number 20 That's a W for him I'm going to say 61 Oof He's number 50 You guys are hating on the guy I mean he's been trash He's been trash

I think I had him in 48 Honestly Isaac you're right That Kim Kardashian rumor was the best thing to happen to him this entire season. That's the highlight of the season. He made Chris Paul's year.

It's distracting the fact that he's averaging nine points a game. Yeah, he's trash. He just don't look the same, he don't look the same, bro. I mean, he's still having a crazy

assist to turn over season as he always does, but that's about it. What about Kyrie Irving? They probably think of him. This is a tough. This is tough because,

I'm gonna say 35 No, I think That's pretty low I think they're hating Let's say I'm gonna say 49 Woo right about

You way off I already know I feel like they As long as they're looking at it purely As long as they're looking at it purely From his ability to score a damn basketball Or like just play

When he actually shows up to his job He does it pretty damn fucking well Uh And I would say he's probably going to be ranked. Let's say, I mean, I don't know much about the ringer. Are they more likely to be, like, biased because of his shit recently? Get your guess off first. Then we'll talk about it.

Okay, I'll say 25. 25. Y'all failed to account for the fact that Bill Simmons owns the ringer, the biggest Kyriehator in the world. Yeah. Kyrie's number 66. Oh, my God. Six to that list of the trash.

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I think the list is basing off of value and impact to winning, so their logic is probably he doesn't play, and he's like a wild card. If you want to make the argument that he's like number 66 on the list of players you would want to have, I think maybe that's fair. But he's not the 66 most talented. That's for damn sure. Yeah, even then. Like the fact that he's either constantly injured or causing problems in the media or causing problems in the law. locker room. I do think that Kyrie is slowly just becoming not even really worth it to have on

your team. However, to suggest that he's the 66 best basketball player, whatever you said it was, is just not true. He just objectively is not. Michael Porter Jr. is number 62. If we're talking about off-the-field issues, go ahead and Google Michael Porter Jr. vaccine. Like, what are we doing? Oh, man, 66 is that. Yeah, that's a personal. That's crazy. That's crazy. Well, I mean, you, listen, they have both, both the anti-backers in the 60s. Like, they're kind of consistent. Such is, bro. Have Kyrie at 66?

There has to be some more issues with that. Fucking Kyrie must have to fuck his life or something shit, bro. On top of that, bro. He left to Celtics and Bill said never forgive them. Yeah, that's the jump. All right. We can move on to the next TikTok. We got rid of that awful-ass list.

The top of it wasn't too bad, but 66. next one we're going to do an all-time draft of starting fives but we're going to mix it up what we normally do since there's four of us we're going to do two teams of two so me and donovan are one team and then mo and jacob are the other team we're going to kill you guys so we're going to do it so we draft starting fives and basically personally each team takes turn picking so like i'll pick the first player don't picks a second player for our team i pick third player etc all right so jacob am i allowed to collude with my teammate on what you have to I don't know because we don't necessarily value the same things yeah I really care about

defense and spacing the floor let's let's do no let's do no colluding with our team and see how that goes no colluding okay I'm a cursing can I at least have the can I at least have the first pick between us yeah you can go first you go first yeah go first okay you guys you guys You can have a first pick of the draft. Go ahead. I'm not going to say it. So this is just an all-time draft anybody? Yep, we're drafting fives.

I could be a real hater in draft Michael Jordan over LeBron just to piss off my job. No, no, you can do it. Nah, do it. It's one of them, too, I'm cool. I think it'd be more fun to build the team. I feel, well, I don't know. What's your guys' audience? Who's more likely to vote for the goat?

No, no. Don't tell them anything. Don't tell them a single thing. This is a popular. clarity contest that I'm trying to win you choose your fucking pick I'm going to go with Mike Michael Jordan okay I guess

we got to go LeBron cool Michael Jordan LeBron I'm gonna be careful with who he's pairing with be careful yeah I didn't say the tech talk their skills are their skills are complimentary yeah cool cool let me say the TikTok cook real quick what you think

what if I was to nerve you and pick this the most random player and just be the become the big I want to tell I want to tell you who to pick but I'm not going Let me say the hook real quick. Let's Jeff starting five's all-time in pairs. Cool. Okay, go ahead.

All right, I got, give me Magic Johnson. Okay, so you got interesting pick. He does hate himself. All right, I got three places that I can go. All right, I want Steph Curry on our team. Yeah. Oh, we got LeBron and Curry. Okay.

I fucking hate myself for that. I will pick who I wish you had picked, which is Shaquille O'Neal. Okay. Peek. Shack has a top five peak. Okay, well, I'll just pick the big with the better peak. I'll pick Kareem. Ooh.

Yeah. I disagree. Ooh. Okay. Okay. Okay, cool. I wish I had a five two. Cease.

We need some shooting, Mojo. I know we need some shooting, but, like, bro, at the end of the day, like, I have, like, he and the team and I don't we need some who's that uh he's that seven footer who can tween has he splash you're familiar with him this is colluded you can pull up from this is collusion

dude I have no idea what you're talking about I'm just referencing things uh uh I think you should pick Jim's hard give me Larry Bird give me Larry Bird fuck this give me Larry Bird fuck that give me Larry Bird

fuck that hey Don you know who to pick Hey, give me Kevin Durant Let's go This man hates Oh my God I cannot believe this shit Give me Larry Bird

Let me think Um Um Let me think We got magic It has to be someone Who can shoot Magic can kind of shoot

MJ can't Bird can shoot Three a game Like You guys are cooked His three is not moving the needle Like that You have Shaq at least

Who can dominate the paint So much You need a sniper. So I'm just going to say, fuck it and lean all the way into defense because there's no hope of saving the spacing. Yeah. So I'm just going to throw Tim Duncan in there. Oof. Well, Don, take us home.

That's a hard team to score out. Take us home. I'm picking close our team, Don. Do it. Give us Kobe Bryant. Give us Kobe Bryant. I'm going to choke sling you right now. You know what?

You know that? I should have went with a little. This is your fault. This is your fault. No, it's not my fault. Absolutely not. What? I did the right, I did the right thing. Are you kidding me right now? Jacob said, Jacob said, pick seven feet, hezied tween, and you said, let me go get Larry Bird. I like Larry Bird better than Kevin Durant. Period. He's not seven foot, he's going to play. With the style of basketball that we're going to

play, bro. He's going to go ahead and went off the game plan. You play ice ball. I'm Kevin Durant's biggest hater, and I suggested you get Kevin Durant. This is your fault. This is on you. I'm not, nope, I'm not picking that. I'm not big in that. Actually, we should have So we got Steph, we got Steph, Kobe, Katie, LeBron, Kareem. It's like, argue me the best. Oh my God. We got cooked. Yeah, this is your better line with. This is what you do the first time you're on this spot. Fuck you, man. I should have taken LeBron because you guys would obviously next take Mike and then Muhammad would take Kobe instead of a dumbass pick like Maddard. I mean, I guess you could argue

You have the goat point guard, you have the goat shooting guard, you have the goat power forward. Yeah, you got three positions. In my personal point of view, I think the best way to build a team is have a really great perimeter player and a really great interior player and then just surround that with shooting. So for me, like Mike, Shaq plus shooters, that would be the best team ever. Yeah, you're right. But this is a popularity contest, like you said. So you're going to be surprised how many people vote for you guys because you have Jordan, magic in shack like it's going to be more split than it should be even though our team

would stomp yours out no fuck you my our team was next step what we're going to do is something we started last week it's a new favorite we're going to play 20 questions so we're going to do two rounds of it we're going to think of an NBA player and you guys have 20 questions I guess who it is you can ask any questions you want but they have to be yes or no cool so I'll go first okay so who's going to do so it's you win donovan and someone has another player sure or you can do it I don't care I just do too Okay, cool. Okay, I'm thinking of my first player.

You got 20 questions to guess the player I'm thinking of. All right. Is he white? He's half. No. Does he have brown eyes? No. He doesn't have brown eyes?

I think so. Do you try to sabotage me? Do not ask me an eye color question. I won't fucking know. All right, what's your question? Oh, we also have to, we have to keep track of the questions. we asked too so no yeah yeah I'm keeping trying I'm keeping track so wait so Isaac said that he's white well you say he's kind of say that says kind of white

said no I said no he's not white okay okay not white brown eyes sure I'd assume so okay okay I did Jacob what's your question yeah oh all of us are asking him I thought all of us are yeah 20 combined Um, is he a back court or front court player? Mm, front court. All right, go mo. Okay. You guys don't necessarily, like, I gotta take turns.

You can just fire. Yeah, you, yeah. Just keep in mind the 20 of it. Yeah, no, just keep in mind that you only have 20, so you don't want to, like, use 15 or whatever. So we're four in right now, right? Yeah, this next question is going to be four. Okay.

Uh, is this player like a star caliber? guy no wouldn't say that bro you have randoms what I mean you know who the player is you think I'm gonna fucking pick Hawaii Leonard every time okay was he drafted after 2010 before 2010 was his primary team in the Western Conference so he's an old role-playing and you said front court and he's yeah what you asked Donovan I said was his primary team in the Western Conference no okay okay so he's a forward slash center who is older and a role player he's he's he's gonna have eudanus has him yeah i'm taking that guess i'm taking that i'm taking that

that that guess no yeah that's easy is we're doing it okay i'm gonna take it as a guess eudanus haslam no it's not eudanus haslum fuck i did not like that guess okay okay he was he a good shooter for his position no no okay i don't think he shot at all really wow okay is he a forward or i guess is he a forward no okay so this is a center then okay there's an older center drafted pre 2010 who is not a star was his primary team in the atlantic division who's the Atlantic Division Nets Celtics

Raptors Nix Nets Celtics Raptors Knicks Sixers No not the Atlantic Division Okay

Was he a pacer He was not a pacer That's so specific Okay How many questions are right now Donovan I don't know I stopped keeping count I forgot

Oh Jesus I forgot I think that's like, I think that's like eight or nine. All right, we'll go, we'll go nine. So this, this is, be more deliberate with these questions. So this, this is question 10. So, look, is this, wait, is this player still in the league? No.

Okay, I didn't know we were doing that. Yeah. Yeah, it's all time. Did you say it was all time? I didn't hear that. Okay, we have two, we have two divisions. What is his primary team in the central division, which is Bucks, Bulls, Pacers, Pistons, Caps

Yes This is Carlos Boozer This is not Carlos Boozer I said to center Fuck yeah Yeah I'm not on the bulls he wasn't But

All right Did he have long hair Did this All right Paces Cavs What? Wait what you said? Yes he had long hair

What are you Oh Yes he had long hair Exactly Jacob You get it All right Paces Oh, wait, no, not patience.

That was a good question. Caves, Pistons, Bucks, and then who else? He had long hair and he was black, yo. And what were the teams that he, one of the four teams that he would have played on? He's either a Cove, a Pistin, a buck, or a bull. Is this? Could you, I have two things on my mind. Yeah.

This is Anderson Verrajo. Yes, exactly. That's all I was going to say, either him or Joaquin. Yes. Yes. I clutch that one for you guys. You're welcome. You're welcome.

And he is not... I've said it. I clutched it. I clutched it. I clutched it. No. It was the hair question that did it. It was the hair question that did it.

That's mine. I eat that. Okay. Who wants to do the second one? Mo or Donovan? We had to give Jacob guessing. I could... I could do it.

Okay, go ahead, Mo. All right, go. No, I'll like, I'll give me to Donovan. Word? Okay. Yeah. All right. Give me five seconds.

to think one mississippi two mississippi three Mississippi four Mississippi five Mississippi all right I got it yeah okay I got it cool okay yeah let's say the hook quick all right okay front quarterback who wait let me say the hook I got I guess I guess is he in the front court I have to ask yes or now all right I have to do this hook and it's terrible because I hate doing he's so bad at saying TikTok hooks I'm terrible what these TikTok is all right y'all have two 20 questions to figure out this NBA player I'm thinking of. Say it again, but say it was a conviction.

You're trailing off the end. Yeah. It's awful. I, I, y'all, y'all, you have 20 questions to get an NBA player I'm thinking of. Okay, there you go. That'll do it. It's awful.

We got to start doing this afterwards. I could just go, go through one. But, all right, start. Okay. Jacob said it again, Jacob. Is this a member, is this player in the backcourt? Back court Back court player

Yes they are Yes So this is a guard then Yes Yeah Did this player have a signature shoe No It's a good question

Okay Kind of a square I ask if they're a star player That eliminates like 10 players ever So thanks Is this player Is this player a player Is this player below 65

The player is not a star player And he is below 65 Okay so probably more likely a point guard that's not a star was he drafted before 2010 uh yes wow okay not a star small guy before 2010 was he a second rounder no he went in the first round okay he hesitated about the draft date so I'm guessing he's still in the league so we don't got a waste a question on that I'm thinking he probably is he's a first round guy division division questions were really helpful just to figure

out what team would you consider him a good shooter um i i wouldn't okay a non-shooting small guy so he's a he's a first round pick wait did we already like clarify that he's a point guard he's a guard he's a guard he's sub six four i'm six four below six four and below did he in the eastern conference was his main team in the eastern conference no okay in the west so he's in the west did he rock a headband for majority of his career no no questions man they help me that's the that's the ninth that's the ninth that's the ninth question Holy fuck. I was thinking,

I was thinking Rondo. Yeah, holy fuck, you're wasting my dumb-ass questions. Let's see. Is this player more, is this an offensive-minded player? Sure.

Yeah. Okay. But he also can't shoot. So it's got to be like a slasher or a passer. Yeah. Okay. We're at 10 questions and I'm feeling nice. You guys,

like, once you guys figure out who this is, you guys are really going to hate. me so like like you're gonna have to think that's this bullshit do we say he's in the east or west I forgot west he's in the west west okay is this Ricky Rubio not not a quick not a guess oh well is he funny so is he black yes okay okay okay so that eliminates one percent of the option is he still playing today not Ricky Rubio Is he still in the league?

No. Okay. Fuck. This is a bullshit. Deep cut? Yeah. Yeah, it's a deep cut. Would you describe this player as a playmaker?

No. So he's not a passer? He can't shoot? He can't pass? So he's not really a passing type. You wouldn't think of him as a passer. No. So he's got to be a good finisher.

God damn. He can't shoot. He's under six. He can't pass. Those are like two of the most different This dude was ass! This is bow wow? Who is this player?

He wasn't a star level player. No, not at all. Okay, is he under, this is a bold question, but it might answer it. Is he under six foot? No. Fuck.

How many questions do we have? Between six. Y'all have six questions left. Jacob, I'm gonna slap you. What the fuck, man? The burning my shit. I really thought,

I thought like maybe Nate Robinson or something. No, it's in the West. Has he ever won a champion? Has he won a championship? Yes. Wow. That's a great question. He's won a championship.

Wow. Okay. He's not a playmate. He's a Derek Fisher? What? I was thinking Matthew Delvedova? No, Derek Fisher can shoot. He's not black.

True. Yeah, I thought Derek Fisher, too. Yeah, Derek Fisher can shoot. He's between six ones. Should we find out if he's a point guard? I feel like that might be 50% of the options. I don't know that that does, that moves much of a needle for me. I think he was definitely a point guard.

Was that sure? Honestly, I really doesn't matter either because it's a guy who's a finisher but can't shoot can't do anything Is it Monta Ellis? No Damn for four questions four courses left four courses you're not I was so confident yeah we're we're listen listen we're coming down to it and now that we're at the last Hey, hey hey hey hey hey I feel is Norris Cole is this Norris Cole? No no it's in the West oh my god fuck bro three I'm gonna choke you guys out of bad This is also kind of funny for me. Monta Ellis was a good guess.

That was good. That was good. But Norris Cole? Are you kidding me right now? Is it? Norris? No, no. Montailles has never won a championship.

Wait, yeah, I forgot about that part of it. Norse Cole fits every description. Norris Cole fits everything but the West. It's a good guess. Okay. I need a damn minute here. Okay. He's in between 6-1 and 6-4.

He's not good at anything. In the Western Conference, who can't shoot and can't pass, so presumably is a slashing score of some point, because Donovan also said that he was an offensive-minded player. Yeah. I think about every championship team, he's not in the league anymore. He had to think about what he drafted before 2010, so maybe it was like mid to late 2000s.

That's the next question we should ask. What? What's the question? Hold, I'm consolidating with my teammates right now. I want to know, I want to get close to his draft year because that'll help. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I don't think, I don't think you would know the specifics of the draft here. Oh my God. Oh, my God.

It was like someone from the 70s. Is that it? No, that's not a question. That's not a question. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay. Okay. He was talking to me, Donovan.

My lifetime. did this player play in my lifetime which is after the year 2000 as much as people like to make old jokes okay two questions like I think like an early 2000s player

he was drafted I think he was after the mid 2000 he probably won a championship around 2010 now we got to throw some names out there so so think about every championship team the heat there's no really guard as I fit the description the mad i want to see i want to shit yeah i assume he's not talking about jason kid

i can't imagine could could he could he be talking about no jason terry could i i feel i feel i feel bad because this is really this is really like some you did a so very bad now that we're here i set you guys up for failure is this okay would is this somebody who doesn't it's probably bullshit is it i would hope it's a semi-recognizable name i think he'd be nice enough for that apparently he's feeling bad about it so it might not be okay i mean no no the the name is the name is recognizable like when i say you guys are gonna it's shannon brown are you fucking kidding what it's shannon brown you're fucking motherfucker jacob is nice jacob you put shannon crazy

yo you put that i hate you so much wow i was going to say shannon brown's like six four or six three six four he's super athletic and definitely offensive leaning but can't shoot yeah and he is a champion because he won with the nine and ten later he's got no ball that's crazy this guy knows ball that's crazy yeah you're in the trenches I'm really proud of myself you guys I thought I thought you guys were going to narrow it down once you started saying like oh we need to ask the division I was waiting for one of those division questions to come in and then maybe like you guys narrow it down there but you're the division guy though

clutch yeah I will say the the 2000 and 10 Lakers are one of my favorite teams ever and it's the team that I've played with in 2K the most so like I know Shannon Brown you know Shannon Brown when he hear him we got two more TikToks to get to

read an hour and a half the amount of ridiculous alley-oops that guy has caught for me in 2K shit that's funny we're gonna shift to something more funny we're going to rate some NBA league fits or like a versus

Jake can you all you all you all click that link I sent in the Zoom chat but and then scroll to the bottom and look at these pictures of these league fits I'm still stunned

that Jacob got Shannon Brown on 19 that's crazy holy shit bro y'all let me know which one of these NBA fits was better so that weird

y'all let me know which one these NBA fits was better oh my god Kyle Kuzma or Miles Turner we got the big sweater off. I hate them both. I'm going to say Kyle Kuzma's better because Kyle Kuzma is better because it's

cleaner iconic and I could see people rip in this. If you shrunk Kyle Kuzma's sweater and made it a normal size sweater, that'd be an actually good fit. Those ridiculous ass leaves were normal size for Miles Turner, that's still an ugly ass fit. What is his

pants? Like those fucking blow up things that they have outside car dealerships that are all Yeah. Miles Turner looks like Miles Turner looks like he saw Calcousman do that And said I need to do that myself And then just couldn't do it But worse

Yeah Yeah just couldn't put him Miles Turner is not norm for any type of drip At all God's name is Sergi Baca where Or any type of Riz Next one Hardin or Sergei Baca

Hardened by a mile Sergi Baca That's actually nice Yeah Sergi Baca looks like a failed lumber deck Both of these fits are trash Both these fits are trash This is a mid-off.

James. No, I think Hardin's fit is hard. James Hardin has the Miami, like, two-piece I'm going out, and then put on this, like, 50-year-old white woman zippered leather jacket over it. It looked like he was playing dress-up. I don't like that. What you're trying to say?

I don't-all-jacket with shorts that matched the top. I think you deserve jail time. That's awful. I don't have that, but I have that leather jacket but black. All right. What are you trying to say, man. You can take that how you will. Wait, what?

You can take that how you wear. No, but Sergei Spitz is trash, though. I love Sergei Baca. I cannot condone the jeans with the jeans shorts over it. This is atrocious. It's disrespectful to humanity. I just realized he had jeans shorts over that, bro. That is insane.

Yeah, no, bro. This ruin was the bronze legacy. I thought it was some tights under it, bro. I thought it was some tights under it. Is he wearing a one piece? This is crazy. This is a last one is. This ruins a legacy of anybody who's ever teamed

Sergei Baca. Yeah. Fucking, wow. You know, this is fucking spazzing on. I'll call that boy a role player. Quatt Leder will never be the same.

Yeah. I straight up think Hardin's outfit is the only good one of all of these. I think it had the most potential, but it's on the same level of trash as is everything else. What about Tim Duncan versus LeBron James? This is a crime. Tim Duncan looks like a normal ass, dude. I can't believe we ever live.

lived in an era where this was acceptable. Which ones? Both of them. They're so baggy, man. Stop, stop. I know that was, I know that was the look. I know it was, but it looks like shit. Tim Duncan is doing Tim Duncan.

Nah, Tim Duncan is just doing Tim Duncan. LeBron walked into Express and said, give me the worst shit you have. Bro, LeBron thought he was doing something. That's the real issue. He thought he was him. He was like, I'm going to kill him. I'm going to be all the relief fits. You know what he's just like.

This is going to lay me in my next Express endorse. no none of that bro he looks like he's a why is he wearing black rubber gloves that's what I'm saying he just put up man bro he got dressed it in the dark like it looks like he looks like bro LeBron looks like he looks like the high school players when when they have to dress up on game day that's what he looks like he looks like a 17 year old high school basketball player I was gonna say it looks like he's about to pull up to a senior prom this is awesome bro he went to the mall walked into buckle and just said phone me up Fuck me on a bag at fossil.

The problem with Tim Duncan's like fit, though, is it's not a fit. Like, that's just casual around the house clothes. Yeah. He got his MVP and started grilling afterwards. Like, I can't imagine showing up to win

one of the most prestigious awards in your job. Like, the most prestigious individual award. And you're wearing board shorts. He has his toes out, Jacob. His toes are out. He's ducking it with first time.

Imagine having the grippers out when you're winning MVP. This is terrible. He should have been suspended. He should have been delegated to the G League. I'm taking that trophy back. I think he deserves the same suspension and run our test got for the malice in the palace. A whole year. Especially

like, because David Stern like tried to stop the whole fashion movement from happening in the league that AI sparked. You imagine how he the like most like suit and tie guy ever felt when Tim Duncan showed up on that outfit for the MVP He must have thought that was worse than 9-11

bro when he saw that outfit he was saying Mad slurs was like what have I done bro No he was slurring him up in his head Yeah Slurbing him up as a crazy statement That's a little My name

His pants are crazy Who wasn't his slur bag He was putting up a fucking triple 60 point triple double for slurs He was creating slurs for the Virgin Islands I ever got one more segment We're gonna get a little more sensational with this Some quick baby shit going on I'm gonna name some players actually let me just go into it

Who's better current day Janus or prime Kevin Garnett Current day on this Whoa whoa that's close though This is tight as close as fuck. I said that way too fast, but I'm still going to stick with Yonix. Kevin Garnett has a better mid-range game. I'd argue he's a little bit better of a playmaker. Is he at this point, though?

Yonis' playmaking is pretty high level. They're both pretty fucking great. Yeah, that's split hairs. Like Kevin Garnett had like a nasty pull-up, though. Like playmaking is also creating your own shot, and he was more of a shot creator than. But Yonis is more unstoppable on the paint is the third. Yeah.

And he's just forget that Yonnet. Janice, like, Cage is up there, but Janus is like the single best ball handling big we've ever seen. It's easy to forget that he's a big. Defensively, I think they're very similar as well. Yeah. I'm going to go Janus just because the scoring is a little bit, self-created scoring. I know he doesn't have the shot making, but at the rim, I'm going to give to him a little bit. I think I might go to Keith.

I'll give Kevin Garnett's psycho points. That's funny. What about Dwayne Wade? It's Janus. It's Janice. I hate to say it because I love Dwayne but it's it's I think both of them are better than Dwayne so yeah no argument for me yeah that's simple that hurts what about Dirk Nevsky yonis yonis yeah yeah doesn't play defense yeah all right this is easy yeah I just

want to see your head I'm with it sweet all right what about Kevin Durant what about Kevin Durant this is a tough one let me hear it bill and ass laugh My hatein' ass just got a big ass grin on my face. I have seen Kevin, I have seen Janice win a championship as without a doubt the only superstar player on his team. Get in your back, Jacob. Get in your back.

Get in your Kevin Durai, Hayn back. Because we're there. We're there together. Yeah, I've always thought he was overrated even before, like, recent shit where it's become popular to, like, dunk on the guy. Yeah.

Like, I was never, like, so I was, yeah, it was the hater hifts. I've been hating on Kevin Durant since

before you kids even knew who, but like I've always, I've always detested, like, especially as someone who was a big fan of Zach Levine, so many people make the argument where they're like,

yeah, he can score, but then what? They would say that shit about Zach all the time, to almost imply that he was like a garbage player. Meanwhile,

like Kevin Durant has at times been a good defense. And at times been a good playmaker But he's not great at those aspects of the game Exactly And has only sometimes been great at those aspects of the games Late career, KD's been a good defender But he's not quite the score he once was

Can't get to the room anymore If he's a better passer now Like none of these things happened at the same time In the top 15 players that have ever played this game Kevin Durant is the most The least capable all around player Is Janus in there? I love this this man

If we're talking about peaks, Yonis might be in there. But like, like almost every other player is like either a generational playmaker or a generational defender on top of being a generational bucket getter. Keep going. Yeah, you can definitely keep going. Yeah, people are going to like that because people are going to say you can't shoot. But Yonis is definitely generational score. That's pretty undeniable.

And obviously, dude, people get so hung up. And this is a huge reason why I think Kevin Duran is often overrated. They get so hung up on what move is pretty. or like who can do more things if you can get me 30 on 63% true shooting like yonis can who gives a fuck if he did it prettyer they think that the better players who can who can like do their things i'm going to push back on that a little bit we we we we split that i also think there is like an importance in having the versatility so it's harder to stop you for sure and obviously kevin durant is a better score than

Yannis, but it's not like the gap is as huge as people think it is just because Kevin Durant can do a tween-hazy splash. Yeah, the gap defensively is much bigger than the gap offensively, I think. Yeah. I want to hear that. Yonis is a generational defender. He,

Jacob cleared it up. I do think that there is some value to have in a quote-unquote bag and being able to like, and being able to have multiple spots, being able to score in different ways. And I think Kevin has that over over yonnes and so like when we were talking about scoring that's where i think

that obviously like kevin surpasses yonis so that that's where my split was but i think listen for everything else we're on the same page let me take this as well to the example of like that bucks versus net series everybody was like so much making the argument of like Kevin durant like was like outperforming yonis there just in the scoring department but it's like if you look at the stats. It was a couple more points on like, I think of slightly worse efficiency. It was like two or three more points a game. So I'm like, did Kevin Durant have a so much better series because he hit more jump shots? Literally it's it. Like, ultimately when I say, hey, Janus, go get me a bucket or hey, Durant, go get me a bucket. In that series, they both accomplished that feat pretty much

evenly. Similar amount of points, similar amount of efficiency at the end of the day. That's what matters and I think the difference in a way we evaluate players just based on them being able to do score in a few different ways like I think that same thing about when people say Kevin Durant's the greatest score of all time I think it is unequivocally Michael Jordan and wow the only difference is my Kevin Durant can shoot three is better but that's the only difference yeah yeah and you're back in your back I love it. Listen, this is the end of the episode.

Mike has like nine scoring titles. Kevin Durant has like three. He has four. Four straight. Let me hear it. Still. The nine's bigger number of four. I think we could rattle off a lot more names than just Michael Jordan.

We're talking best scores of all time above Katie. I'll leave it at that. But anyways, yes, I do think peak Janus is probably a little bit better than Pete Kevin Durant. But I say that knowing damn well, the 2014 Kevin Durant. is the craziest thing 14-year-old me is ever seen. Yeah, maybe, like, I'm with you.

Like, maybe I could talk myself in a yonness, but I'm going to regret it for the same reason. Like, Katie's still, Katie. Yeah. I feel like either way, if you make that decision, I don't know how this even works, but, like, you make that decision with an after the fact the other options out there,

you'd be like, damn, that other option was nice, though. Yeah. Either way, 50% of the comments are going to cook you because they both make total sense. At this point, I've fully received the label of Durant Hater, so it's nothing I'm not used to.

I'm fine with it. Well, I think that's the end of the episode. It's probably our longest episode ever. You were in your bag with Katie Talk. I love it. Absolutely, yeah. It was great. It was ridiculous doing, all right.

Again, appreciate you coming on. It was a good episode. Yeah. And that's the end of the show. See you.