The Deep 3 Podcast - These NBA Teams Are Falling Apart | Ep. 27

Episode Date: March 11, 2023

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We have so much to talk about today. I feel like it's been so long since our last episode, and a million things have happened across the NBA. Facts, facts. And, I mean, so obviously there's the LF in the room, which has been a while since it broke because we haven't talked in over a week, but all the drama ranch.

I don't even really want to get into it. I feel like it's been talked about enough. I hope it's okay. I hope he's okay. Like, that's really it. Yeah. Yeah, I have no new take. So I think what we're going to do today

is since there's so much that's happening, across the league we're going to start in the western conference and then go to the eastern conference and do an overview of all these stories that are happening with all these different teams do it so let's start with the west but before that if you guys are watching on youtube do us a favor drop a like and subscribe help us grow if on audio platforms leave a five-star rating leave a review all that follow us on Twitter that's the obligatory stuff I got to say let's talk about the West first things first Kevin Durant got hurt by warming up and slipping damn he's a old man he has a old man

Man, for real. That's just like, it's just clumsy and just goofy. And it's just like, dang, like he's out for about two to three weeks. He's probably going to miss the rest of the regular season. Potentially even the start of the playoffs. It's time. Listen, again, he's old. And this is one of the very big concerns that we have with the Phoenix Suns.

On top of Chris Paul's injury history, and basically he gets hurt in the playoffs every single year. You compound that with Kevin Durant, potentially not being there. like what if he what if he turns his ankle again in the first round and now he's not there elderly folks over there and now he's not there chris paul might get hurt in the second round and now it's just devon booker and dandre a ain't by themselves like this is a this is a very real concern and if i was a son's fan and in the sun's organization i would be nervous moving forward yeah i mean this is the nba and like we've seen it happen with guys like chris paul and lebron and katie's up he's starting to get up there for real for real and is

It's just like a continuous thing that will happen. And now, like, the team like the Phoenix Sun, this is, this is what you take. I think, like, people could have seen something like this, not literally like this happening, getting hurt, twisting your ankle on camera, too. It's so goofy. It makes it feel even worse than he did it on camera. It's like, damn, bro. You for real right now?

But this is what comes with it. We're talking about Kevin around. He's injury prone now. It is what it is. He's old and old people get injured a lot. Yeah. And we said he's old, but you know what I mean. But it's also just so unfortunate.

it because like we're talking about this like he got hurt in a game like yeah he slipped in pregame warm-ups it's so ridiculous like this man is cursed that's what it comes down to bro why did i see people on twitter calling for the calling for the mopper boy whatever they call those people those little white boys trying to get the mop boy fired they're trying to hang this man like what's up man he's trying to hang him twitter has to get somebody out of the pain the better way you know hubby yeah exactly he's old he's old i think and it sucks because that game again against the Mavericks on Sunday that was that in that game I a hundred percent saw the vision I it didn't matter how far down Phoenix was I think they they were down like nine or

ten points in the in like the late third quarter early fourth I never had a doubt that they were going to win that game they looked so calm and poised and Durant was hitting crazy shots and it doesn't matter like who's in his face it looks like nobody can guard him Booker was getting all the buckets Like Chris Paul was in complete control And I saw the vision For Phoenix And everything that they wanted

In that game And it just sucks that for them That they're probably not going to get that For another five weeks Sucks Yeah and I like what I was seen defensively from them too Like there was, I forgot exactly when it happened Because of the games was like a week ago now

But there was a play late in the fourth Whenever the game was super close And I think Kyrie drove to the rim After a game passes guy And Kady hit him with a weak side block. Yeah. That, I think, I forgot who it was.

Maybe it was Booker was talking about it, and they were talking about, like, what you get when you lose Bridges, who is like an all-defensive level player, and you bring in someone like KD, you know, that changes the outlook of your team on how you play. And he was like, listen, we're talking about the offensive with KD, but this motherfucker's huge. Like, that element of size coming to us, now you have him at 6-11. Well, not literally, but, you know, 6-11 defending the rim from the weak side, 8thn as a backside defender.

Like, that has so much potential if they're healthy on both sides of the ball. And now we're not going to see it for a month almost. that's terrible yeah absolutely dude Devin booker over these last I don't know five games has been going absolutely berserk and now like you're set back to okay like DeAndre Aiton what's you going to do for

so you're allowed to cook now can you please cook and like But he has been though when he's had an opportunity this year that's the good thing is that like for most teams if they lost a level of player of KD they'd be like oh shit we're going to fall down the standings but the guy Devin Booker

Aitin's been doing his job when he's had more opportunity this year with Booker, Paul Hart, Paul's healthy, looking decent. Like, it sucks losing because they don't have those two wings they traded for KD. So it's a lot of depth. They're playing a lot of Ish Wainwright and a lot of Torrey Craig, which... And Terrence Ross. Yeah, who has been... I've been not a fan of Terrence Ross since he's landed in Phoenix.

I have not seen nothing that I liked. But yeah, so I think what I'm asking is, they have the names to stay afloat. Do you think they're going to stay where they are? Like, do you have worries about them? I do have worries. I do. When you trade for Kevin Durant, you try. traded a lot of depth to go get them and then the names that you're talking about right now

you're going to be relying for the next 18 games on ish waynwright and terence ross and i don't have a lot of confidence in them to to go ahead and get that done there are three games up on the warriors right now who are in the five spot i think phoenix might fall right it's a listen it's a very very steep hill to uh to fall at this point in the season terms of like 17 18 games left If you're three games up, they should finish in the fourth if Devin Booker and DeAndre Aeyn and go ahead and do what they need to do. But I do have real concerns that they may fall to five or even below that. Well, they're not going to fall below that because six through 13 is a shit show.

So like if they fall to five, whatever, only thing that changes is your home field advantage and whole point advantage in the first round. So that's the bright side is at worst they're going to fall to five. I really have a hard time seeing them fall below that unless the clippers just like get their act together, which spoiler, I don't think is going to happen. Dude, what's the way that Devin Booker has been playing, I don't expect him to fall whatsoever. Over the last five games, he's been averaging 35, 7 assists, and 4 rebounds shooting 57% from the field and 48% from 3. I think he's kind of good.

He's right. He mid, he, I, you know, but. They have some tough, they have some tough games, though, because their next three games, they play the Kings, Then they go on the road to play the Warriors, and then the bucks come into town. True. And I would not be shocked if they went 0 and 3 in that span. Damn. And now you're talking about really, really slipping towards the end of the season. So it's a real possibility, especially the way that the schedule is playing out.

Yeah. Yeah, not a great situation for them. And it just sucks because they're going to have no time to jail with KD. Like, this probably isn't their year. So as an NBA thing, you have to feel like you. you're robbed though because it's like damn you can't see katie and sons at their peak powers and these next few games you said what else what we're gonna watch him face off against the warriors and yannis again and of course like the kings are fun against any NBA team because

they put up 200 points a night it's just tough scene in the phoenix right yeah but you can't be too man yeah it's tough it is what it is we have a lot of teams to talk about today so i guess we can move on let's talk about the other team on the side of that game we're talking about let's talk about the Dallas Mavericks who right now are making Donovan look extremely smart because Donovan came out and said that they're not going to be better with Kyrie they might be Loki a little worse depending on how you look at it and they are so fucking mid yeah in every way I want to hear the numbers all right Donovan you want to take over you got some numbers I got it I got it he been waiting so the Mavericks with Kyrie and Luca Donchitz they

played nine games together the three and six in the last in the last ten games they have the fifth best offensive rating in the league 120.2 which is fantastic but it's all it's listen we knew that this offense with luca and kairi was going to be fantastic we knew that they were going to cook they were both going to get whatever their defense has also been as trash as we predicted because they are 28th in defensive rating in that span as many points as they score they give up and they're they're all their defensive rating is 120. point two as well. They have a net rating of zero and they have not been able. They haven't been able to close games. They haven't been able to, they haven't been able to get stops at the end of games to win these, to win these closed games and to capitalize on all these points that they're scoring. And when you have Kyrie Irving, Luca Donches, Christian Wood, playing meaningful minutes, it's going to be hard to create like a championship level defense, especially when you lose guys like Dorian Finney Smith. And I

know that he hadn't been there for a majority of the season but he came back and it was like like they were still getting kind of cooked but still having him out there is better than having him out there you know so yeah and they put a lot of their struggle of response they put a lot of responsibilities in the back of josh green to kind of fill that role as a three and he's been great he's a really good role player like he's blossoming but do you infinity smith's like six nine with a huge wingspan a legitimate wingstopper for everything that josh green does well he's like six five i think with not a huge wingspan like when you combine that with Kyrie Irving is a two-guard who is not a large man.

Big Christian Wood Minutes, who is not a large man as a center? Like, they just do not have size at all. Like, who is their second best defender in their starting lineup? Is it who I think it is, Tim Hardaway? Please, God, no. Powell, I guess. Powell, or is he first? I don't know.

Yeah. Like, it's terrible. Wings. Yeah, it's not great. Terrible. And, like, the concerning part to me, though, it's not even just the defense. Like, you said they can't execute in the fourth quarter of games. There's been a lot of games where, like, they're,

They scored 108 and lose Or that game against the Lakers Where they blew a 28-point lead in third quarter Was the first time it's happened all year Like crazy It's sure you can chalk that up To like a new team needing time to gel And sometimes you're gonna have these like games

Where you just glitch out And just can't execute Yep But I mean you said the fifth best offense In the league the last 10 games Fifth is like the floor For what you'd want from the team With Lugudanches and Kyrie

Like they gotta be like top two or three offense You know what I mean Like sure it's a small difference But that adds up No it does And that's, but, like, that's the stuff that you see, at least defensively. Like, you would want them to be second or third, but then you also, it's also a big deal if you go from the 28th defense in the league. Let's see what that looks like with as like the 22nd best defense in the league.

Yeah. Right? Like, that offense is so good. And you are competing with the top offenses in the league. The game against, against Phoenix, that was a 130, 126 game in regulation. And they were up. They were up like nine at the end of the third quarter. They had a whole bunch of defensive lapses.

They had a whole bunch of defensive end, man, respect ish. And they, and they just, why? Exactly. Very good question. Why? And they got outplayed. And it's simple as that. They lost to, listen, they lost to the Pacers at home.

Damn. They gave up, they gave up a hundred, they gave up a hundred and twenty-four points. They gave up a hundred and twenty-four points to the, to the paces at home. home like Miles Turner look like an enigma stuff like that isn't supposed to happen Miles Turner in stepback threes I saw a TikTok talking about him put Miles Turner in the 60s he'd be a god amongst men they had Miles Turner looking like a god amongst men and having TikTokers talk about it it's awful crazy man yeah what interests me the most is when Luca and Kyrie are both playing they're plus nine yeah they get the 124 offensive rating

and their defensive rating is 115 so your two best players are playing you're solid which should be the case plus nine isn't like a top tier pairing like i'm sure if you look at like drew and yannis it's much higher than that yeah but it's positive when your guys are out there they're playing well at least much better than overall so it's like i haven't had enough time to like dive deep into it but like what are these bench lineups that are so bad that's weighing it down that much know what i mean well i just don't think they simply have enough of juice and also i don't think jason kid is good enough of a coach to talk about it stir that together.

Yeah, I have an interesting question for you guys, all right? Listen, I know I'm not supposed to curse, but you mother Fers, I'm talking to you, Isaac, Donovan, and everyone who agree with him, what happens if Luca Donchitz, or Jason Tatum, or Jason Kidd, sorry, gets fired this offseason? Well, would you call Luca Donge's a coach killer like you call Trey Young? It's a random question. Curious. Is the same energy there?

Huh? Where's the correlation? You call Trey Young a coach killer when he got. Two head coaches fired, and this will be his second head coach. Rick Carlisle was sick of this shit. He left. Yeah, he left, and Nate McMillan wanted to leave, too. Well, either way, Jason Kidd is garbage.

I just want to know the narrative. This is weird. That was a reach. That's a reach. There's no, he hasn't gotten a coach fired. No coach has been fired under his watch. Rick Carlisle left. Nate McMillan wanted to leave.

But we didn't let him. Nick Millen didn't leave, though. He got fired. Like, what are your point? my point is will the same what about Lloyd Pierce talking about Lloyd Pierce huh

talking about Lloyd Pierce what's the what's the rationale there he got fired because he was asking the same thing applies with Jason Kit he's not that good of a coach I don't know

well that's two coaches to one I don't know like well Jason kid hasn't even gone fired yet what are we talking about he will be at the my prediction that is a lot of projecting

no there's not this is this is not this is not projection I'm just trying to hold you guys you're just trying to bring other people down into your misery this is not a good look either way the difference there is there's been a lot of reported issues

with trey young's lack of leadership and like where there's smoke there's fire right like there's been lots of reports about this and they have personal issues in a locker room yeah we don't really know that to be the case with luca well i mean if his coaches out here saying like we just need better energy from you in terms of just like stop moping around on defense or whatever and like crying for so much calls and like that stuff is that type of stuff that type of criticism is fair that's been trailing his entire career You know, so we can't avoid that. He had Skip Bayliss on TV talking about he bitches after every call.

That is crazy to say. Skip Bayliss need to calm down. That's crazy. That's true, though. It's true. I love Luca, but, man, he loves the bitch. I can't lie. Yeah.

Skip Bayliss shouldn't be the one saying that, though. Skip Baylis has no goodwill to be saying that people, mm-mm-mm. Yeah. Overall, Skip Bayless doesn't need to be saying shit, so I'll agree with you there. Yeah, the Mazzar cooked for the future, man. if like this doesn't work out like you sacrifice a good part of your future whatever assets that they had left which was what's carrie leave too but yeah i think he'd be hilarious why would he stay we're gonna take a quick break from the pot to tell you guys about underdog fantasy the best

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That was the best transition we've ever had in the history of the show. Let's talk about the disaster class that is the Grizzlies. Off top, we know the John Moran stuff is the John Moran stuff. He's currently away from the team with these personal issues. He said he'll be away from the team at least in the next four games. It looks like he's going to dodge that charge for that 50 games suspension. People were rumoring that might be coming his way after the Gilbert Arena's precedent. Appears that they're not going to press charges on him from the Colorado police.

So that's probably off the table. But that's not even their biggest warrior right now. I mean it, no, I promise you. Okay, you're right, you're right. It definitely is their biggest worry. I promise you not having John Moran is their biggest worry. My bad, my bad. It's not their only worry.

They also have, Brandon Clark is dead. He's not coming back the rest of the season. You go ahead and people. You go scared of people. You go scared. Yeah, not only. Brandon Clark tore his Achilles guys. He is still living.

He's in rehab, right? He's going to get surgery. that you're going to scare some people man yeah yeah Brandon Clark's alive but he's not going to be with the team of the rest of the season sadly into next season yeah on top of that Stephen Adams is out for at least another month God there's two front court players gone and on top of that Jemong green murdered Dylan Brooks on live TV or on live podcast yesterday dumbass that's embarrassing man that was so funny yeah aside from that aside from Dylan Brooks can absolutely

fried by Draymond Green. Yeah. The Grizzlies are falling apart. Like they were two seed looking like we were talking about them like they're doing their job. They're as good as you thought they'd be. I believe at the end towards some time of the last podcast that we did, I thought that the Grizzies were going to slow down not tremendously, but they were going to have a

couple missteps because Stephen Adams, he's a big part of that team in general. And they like slowed up for sure and his presence is still missed, but not to this degree. You know, like losing out on Brandon Clark. People don't understand how good Brandon Clark is. He's a phenomenal, I don't want to say young player, but young gish or whatever you want to call him player. 27, you know? Old ass. Yeah, he's 23-old Ricky.

Like a couple years ago, you're 27 already? It is what it is, man. But they just miss out of so much because you have Darren Jackson, Jr., who, like, ends up in file trouble so much. And Brandon Clark, it's such a, he's one of the most versatile bigs in the entire NBA. And now you have to run around Xavier Tillman, who is, like, begging to get cooked every night. He's just too slow, but he's a good player.

I do not like watching him play. Yeah, like it's not fun like watching him play on defense. Yeah, and the part that sucks to isn't even necessarily just Brandon Clark

as himself in a vacuum, but for years now, they've known they could rely heavily on bench lineups that include Jaron Jackson and Brandon Clark as your two front court players as a duo.

For some reason, they're good apart together. They're just fucking awesome, especially in the playoffs, you have this small versatility while still having rim protection. It's elite. And losing that for the whole year

for your playoff run, like not having that tool in your back pocket sucks. Just like they can't go small anymore to the degree that they could before, which was a big part of how they were able to free up so much space for Jada cook people. He was averaging like fucking 35 against the Warriors before he got hurt because of those lineups they were able to play for majority of the game. Even if Jocken's back, this hurts their playoff Sanchez is a lot. Oh, yeah, no, they're done.

They're done, right? And they're cooked. I wouldn't be shocked personally if we don't see John Moran. again i i think like ever i mean he'll be he'll be back next year but like for the rest of the season uh i think it's on the table i think i'll be back he didn't kill anybody he'll be back no but like who knows i i think you're right they're not like suspending him and they just keep coming out and saying like all right job's going to be away for two games it's going to be away for four games and then after this next like you know after this four game stretch

If Jah is not ready, then I don't know, I don't know if it would be smart to bring him back when you're trying to ramp up for the playoffs. And then the first, like, like what can't happen is game one hits and that's John Morant's first game back. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't be. A lot of pressure. Yeah, you can't be focused on game one of the playoffs and whatever matchup you have. And then everything is just going to be like, John, what's been happening?

What have you been doing? Can you talk about the incident? That's too much of a distraction. So, like, there has to be a ramp-up period for him to come back. And I feel like if he misses that window, then it wouldn't be shocking to see him not play for them again this year. That makes sense. I feel like they're going to bring him back after this four games or soon after, like, to finish the last, like, three weeks of their regular season. It would just be shocking if this ended up becoming something that serious.

It feels like more like it's, I mean, it is very serious already, not to diminish it. But it's more like, you know, it's serious because he's on the path to crime, not that he's done crime, you know. So it's not like it's going to be like He didn't do anything horrible yet To deserve that kind of banishment for the rest of the year Yeah But that's the thing I don't know if it

It probably wouldn't be like a banishment But just soft banishment Yeah but just like listen go over there Do it do whatever you need to do Handier business and then like get your mind right And then come back and like Yeah there's a lot we don't know We don't know what issues are right now

You can talk about this next season But for right now Listen they lost three in a row there are 12 and 21 on the road they were the number two seed they're now the number three seed and shout out the kings

really shout out shout out beam team yeah that's so 17 years they've been out of the playoffs and then they come back and they're the two seed in the west just to get molly watt by the lakers in the first round you hate to fucking see it

oh whoa they're running boys out the building anthony davis is going to mix a bonus his son they are going to run them out the building Malik Monk is going to give everybody just nightmares I promise you wait so he meets Malik Beasley the better Mleek Monk Yeah, that's great In the clash

Anyways That's funny shout out Madden cover Memphis That's funny shout out Madden What Madden 10? Yeah The Grizzlies they need to figure themselves out Because they are on the verge of spiraling

You have all these injuries This is the worst time to be a Memphis Grizzlies fan And I feel I feel bad for the fans for the for the team that has become kind of annoying and it'd be like that sometimes damn now you have to rely on Dylan Brooks on being like your actual

third fourth option or whatever taking them nasty jacking up the most random nasty shots yeah that team is in the budget for the year yeah it's so trash who does that from the field bro he's so bad yeah that's Jerry I'm so glad Dramong green cooked them

the way he was calling he's this idiot he had so much malice in his words it was amazing yeah he did god man let's move on to our to our last western team

which just alluded to we're gonna be quick about it but we've got to talk about the Lakers a little bit just because our last episode was titled around they're fucked because it was right after the braung got hurt and we were talking about they're kind of cooked they are not cooked

so far they've been battling I think they won three the last four and in those wins pretty much since LeBron got hurt Anthony Davis has gone back to early season Anthony Davis we saw when we were talking up here like is he like back to being a top five player like he's like him again

he's averaging 29 points and 13 rebounds with 2.6 blocks he's a two-way force he can't be stopped and this team is just incredibly competent yeah man last night he sacrificed his nostrils so shout out to him Dennis Schrovers hooping Austin Reeves is like just doing incredible he's an incredible role player Jared Vanderbilt, like everybody knows what he's about now

And he's like letting the media ride his meet So shout to him for finally getting that Like everything is just clicking They don't even have DeAngel Russell yet So yeah he's going back on Friday They finally confirmed today Yeah LA people are up right now

Yeah In the last 10 games they have the number one defense in the league At 107.6 Which is pretty good It would be like it would be top of the league for the season And the next team The next five teams are all at least 109 so they have like a pretty good lead over number one like they've been by far the best defense in the league

yeah and like you said it's because of jared vanderbilt yeah there's obviously when you're head that high and that small of sample size there's some shooting luck involved usually which has been the case for them teams are shooting like 31% from three which isn't sustainable so they'll drop down a little bit but i think this jared vanderbill and anthony davis front court together it's like your floor is like a top five defense right now yeah like that is a legitimate building block to build off of even you're seeing now with LeBron not there and Delo not there, you could win games with the tenacity they have and this floor of a defense.

You just got to be competent offense in any given night. Yeah, exactly. And you can expect that with this, like, the consistency that guys like Dennis Schroeder has, like, given them. It's, what would you, where would you guys be without Dennis Schroeder, man? This needs to be, you got, you need to have a Dennis Schroeder appreciation podcast. Oh, he's been great. I love him.

To be honest. Yeah. Yeah, I've always been a Dennis Schroder defender. Like, I think he's good. Like, he's legit. You don't give him $80 million after this season? Listen, I'm not an idiot, but I like, don't test me. I don't like a lot of people for 80 million.

Yeah. So my question to you guys now is like with the Slaughterfest that is in the West, do you see the Lakers making it into the playing? They're playing right now, and I think they're ninth seed or something like that. And I had like, I had them as a lock. I mean, look at the teams around them. They're the nine seed. The Pelicans are the same record as in, but they're the 10 seed because tiebreaker.

Yeah. Zion's out for another two weeks. The Pelicans are in free fall. I don't see that turning around. The Thunder are the 11 seed The Thunder, they're unsurious Shea isn't playing back-to-backs anymore Because they want to get that lottery

And he has an abdominal injury They're being slow with That's so lame It's slow. It's not really because of that But it's because they're playing safe But his injury And the Troblazers fucking suck

Jazz dropped a 13 They're finally The House of Carr just falling apart So like Are you scared of any of those teams Passing them up? I honestly I thought they were finished

I thought they were done I'm so frustrated It makes me so mad looking at these guys. This is terrible. This is terrible. I thought the Lakers were cooked. LeBron got hurt. DeAngelo Russell got hurt.

They were in free fall. They had just traded half the team. And somehow they have made everything click. I don't understand what is happening. Isaac just left and I know he's coming back to put on a jersey to make me upset. Oh, he's so lame. I'm all ready mad from everything that I'm about to see. Yes, the Lakers, for every single.

single reason that Isaac just said, the Pelicans, who, by the way, beat the Mavericks, what do you do? He went on a... I couldn't find a jersey because I'm moving and I packed them, but I found a hat. He called it. He called it. He's dying. I couldn't find

my... I packed a Magic Johnson jersey in a box. I'm moving to L.A., so this is all I can do. Damn. I know you. I know you. Yeah. This is terrible. Shout out to you, Isaac. God, damn. You should be happy as hell. Like, who would have thought that the Lakers? Like, once the brawn got hurt we were all like it's over it's wraps they have like zero chance

to go ahead and like still fight this playoff race that they're fighting they've been you know i said that i said that so i didn't sound like a lakers dick rider i didn't believe it the lakers found themselves the lakers found themselves down 28 on national tv and looked around and was like you guess what they said we got them exactly where we want them i knew they'd win no you didn't i did not i should turn the game off they'll probably make the plan they're back in the mix at least you never know because LeBron's out so they can very easily

lose three straight but they're going to be in this playing range and we all thought they'd be sunk so at the minimum they surprise us there yeah exactly shot to the Lakers man now what let's move on to the east we're 30 minutes in we have a whole other conference to talk about we gotta start with

listen I got the cook about the Lakers Donovan's your turn we're talking about the Lakers being great. If the Lakers are in a great spot, the Knicks are in the best spot possible. The best spot possible. The New York Knicks are steaming up. They're steaming

up the Eastern Conference standings. Listen, we might mess around and win a playoff series this year. Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brunson, I apologize. I disrespected you. I guess I wasn't familiar with your game. You don't deserve it. You came in this season, because you came in this season

and you have balled out and you have been exactly where all Knicks fans have been looking for. Emmanuel Quickly, my son, you have been bawling. You have been bawling and hooping. Josh Hart has been exactly what we needed.

Julius Randall is now contract year, Julius Randall. It's beautiful. Mitchell Robinson, the anchor of a defense. He back. Nine and one over the last 10 games. Fantastic defensively. We are one of the rare teams in the league that have a fantastic record on the road

and have a winning record at home. I'm telling y'all right now, we might mess around and win a playoff series. And it's the way that's shaping up right now is that the New York Knicks are going to play Donovan Mitchell in the first round. Y'all going to get claps. We're sending Donovan Mitchell home. And we're going to tell him and show everybody else, we don't need you. We're good over here by ourselves and we're going to be just fine. It's going to be a great series.

It's going to be a great series. All that stuff that you saw two years ago, right, when we played the Hawks in that we're a COVID year. When everything was weirded and upside down, that's not happening this year. He's a real basketball team with real expectations and real hope, and we're going to do it. I mean, everyone's going to have Julius Randall in hell, but it'll be fun. Drop the mic. Yeah, they're great. Like you said, you buried the lead for a second.

They're 9-1 to last 10 games. Nine of those wins were in a row. They're incredible. And the weird thing about it has been, you know, a Tom Tibado team is known for being defensive-oriented. He's very old school and hard-node. It doesn't play young players because he wants people that are disciplined defenders. but in this span let's go to the last 15 games

they're not even like a great defensive team they're 12 defense but they're third in offensive rating crazy in the last 15 games behind just the kings who were like just god tier offense and then the 76ers who we'll talk about later

they flip the script and why are they doing that another thing you alluded to Jalen Brunson is fucking him in his last 15 games he's averaging 28.6 points six assists three rebounds rounds on 54% from the field and 42% from three.

It just became Damien Lillard. That's how I was about saying. It sounds like Damien Lillard numbers, bro. What the hell? Literally. Some beautiful numbers. What are you seeing from Brunson, Mo? I've seen the same old.

I've seen the same old stuff from Brunson that I've like, we've been seen since the last year, but just in another level and other echelon. Like this is. I don't think you can say it's the same old stuff. It's definitely, it's the same stuff. It's the foundation, but it's taken up to a whole. whole nother level. Like, he started this project years ago, started construction years ago, and now he's built

up this fucking skyscraper, penthouse of a fucking game that he has, bro. And, like, Jalen Brunson, he's just the perfect player for the Knicks. On the court, off the court, it's just beautiful, bro. This is my favorite victory lap this year. I'm going to, like, I'm going to claim this so much, because we talked about before, when they made the signing, some of the people were like, they overpaid for him, blah, blah. And I was like, y'all are idiots. He's the 17th highest paid point guard in the NBA.

You're morons. And the reasons people like me were saying that is because when he played in the Mazz last year, in the games where Luca was sitting, he averaged 22 points per game and 7 assist. Yeah. A player that would average 22 and 7 for the season deserves the money they gave him. So coming in, we were like, he does everything the Knicks would need. He's a good score at the rim.

He's a good mid-range shooter. He's a good playmaker. All the things that the Knicks were fucking terrible at last year. And like you said, he's a perfect player. And even I couldn't expect this. And I was on the Jaylon Brunson train. I didn't expect a run for him maybe after 28 for an extended period of time. Look, man, I had this man as an all-star.

All right. I had him as the most improved player of the year. Who? Does he have a chance for that? I don't know. I think I'm, I may. Probably not. No.

The narrative set, it's Larry. Yeah, exactly. But that wasn't a bad take at all. Me saying that he would, I wanted him as an all-star, dressing him on my all-star team. He's second on the odds list right now for most improved. For me personally, I think you have to give it to Larry, so just narrative plays and statistically, whatever.

that point leap is kind of crazy but dude jalen brunson is legit now he's the best point guard that you guys have had since when donovan long time what Walt frazier damn jason kid raymond felton

2013 raymond felton was kind of different but i don't know they haven't had a better point guard since the year began with the two i'll say that probably yeah that's true he's the jaylon brunson is the best nick point guard of the millennium so that's that's fantastic and listen the trade for josh hart has been so about that it's been so so just magnificent that's the best that's the best word that i can use for it josh hart has played 554 possession this is according to cleaning the glass

it's played 554 possessions with the nick so far their point differential with josh heart on the floor is plus 22 that is the best That is the best rate in the NBA right now. That's crazy. The line up with the lineup with Brunson quickly, Josh Hart, Julius Randall, and Isaiah Hartenstein, plus 38.7, right? The lineup right under that, which is probably what you're going to see a lot, now that Mitch is back, Brunson quickly, Hart, Randall, Robinson at the five.

That one, a little bit less possessions, but that one is still plus 25. like there's just so many lineups that Josh Hart is in where they are not even just positive they are some of the best lineups in the league and he just contributes to winning in so many different ways yeah if you have if you have if you have if you have Josh Hart doing what he's doing jaylon Brunson like you said playing like damien liller light and then Julius Randall who can just focus on getting buckets and not have to worry about setting up the offense and getting everybody else involved that is exactly what you want from the and they are, they're in a great position.

I'm super excited. You didn't even mention one of the bigger, not bigger, one of the biggest factors alongside all those important things, Emmanuel quickly, like, dude, he's been snapping this season. He's been everything that Scouts thought he was going to be during this last, like, 10-50 game stretch, averaging, like, 18 points, shooting 50% from the field, bro, it's, he's been fantastic. He's been great.

He's finally getting consistent minutes. That's the biggest thing, is that he's finally earned his right to be, the rotation consistently. You know how Tom Thibito is. He's a dick when it comes to rotations. Yeah, he's a bastard. Like, not literally, but, you know, he's not forgiving when it comes to young players in their minutes.

I would not enjoy playing for him if I was 21 years old. And, yeah, a quickly finally proved himself. This is crazy. The funny thing about Josh Hart, like everything you're saying is correct. He's the perfect connecting player to play alongside two star, quote-unquote,

ball handlers, the lead players in the Knicks. He's perfect. You know what's funny? There was a point with the Blazers I know Zach Lowe keeps talking about this every five seconds he can where Josh Hart just like refused to take threes for a while He just like stopped doing it and like Josh Zachlowe talked about he's talking to people within the blazers organization And they're like we don't get it like he's just not taking them like he's just wouldn't do it. I'm like he's shooting 60% from three since he became a Nick Damn he's on that James Hardin he's on the James Hardin where we're just like yeah I'm just not going to show him to work anymore

I'm just like I'll just do it and I'll just make it every time how about that? I'll like it if I just don't miss them but maybe I'll just keep doing it You know, you know, what name that we didn't hear about when it comes to talking about the next success? No, don't, don't do it. Don't do it. I'm glad you said this. Guys, we were having a positive moment. You're having a positive moment. You know, I like seeing pain.

You know, I like projecting, like you said. Let's talk about it. Bro, RJ Barrett doesn't close games sometimes now. Damn! Yeah. Which means that Tom Tibado, maybe the front office, whatever, is finally not giving up on him, but becoming realistic what the season he's having. in his role with the team, and they're better for it. Them closing games with Josh Hart instead of RJ Barrett makes them a better team.

I'm so glad they've done this and they're willing to do that. It feels like we're seeing like positive development from Tom Tibido in terms of rotations and his habits than what we've seen in the past couple years. Where he's like playing the players that fans want him to play and usually you don't, don't listen to fans, but you know, there's a reason they say these things. We're seeing this because Tom Tibdo looked up in the middle of the season and realized that his job was on the line and that he would never get another head coaching job again if he got fired from the Knicks they had a game on on a Sunday where they got blown out by

like 30 by by the Dallas Mavericks it was a terrible showing then they go out and they gave up I think it was like 140 or 150 in regulation to the Oklahoma City Thunder and you just watch all this stuff and you're like okay like this is how the next season is going to go right Tibbs is going to end up getting fired they're going in a new direction and Tibbs looked at the man in the mirror and he said no i got i got to keep getting these checks so like he's he switched it up so like props to him i think we and we talked about this last episode um somebody asked about about rj there's a real possibility that rj has to get moved in the in the off season the honestly i think the only thing stopping him from being moved as soon as the season is over

is his contract because because his contract is like massive now but yeah If there's anybody willing to take, you know, to take a risk on a young... Please, hit him up. He'll set the flyers for right now. If there's anybody who wants a young player who is a top three draft pick and you see some potential, please hit my line and let's make something work. If anybody's interested in one single Canadian, R.J. Hampton, he's yours. R.J. Hampton.

He's all yours. Canadian Chris Dunn is for sale. Oh, that's so great The Canadian Chris Dunn Man, I saw Chris Dunn on the Utah Jazz yesterday and I was so confused Bro, if you asked me to name you What Team Chris Dunn plays for with a gun to my head

I would be dead as fuck God I would be deceased That's great We need to actually I thought Chris Dunn was going to be him too This needs to be a TikTok series In the future I think

Who we play for That'll be great Yeah That's funny But yeah I think that's the end of the next segment The Knicks are back For now

We did this early in the season and they fell off for the next 10 games we'll see if they can stick we're back alright that's gonna be a clip out of it we're gonna make a video out of that as a clip that was a good conversation that was fire he actually right

we're gonna start posting clips to the YouTube channel like 10 minute segments in the podcast if you're still listening let me know in the comments if you want to see clips but all right before we're gonna talk about the top three teams in the east before we get to that we have to talk about McCall Bridges

or Mike Lell I can't how the first Fucked if I say his name. I can't get it right. I think it's McCale. McHale, that's what it is. Okay. McKale Bridges has taken the leap. In the time he's been on the Knicks, I mean, the next, fuck. Brain-Brain-wash.

Since the time he's been on the Nets, he's averaging 26.5 points, five rebounds, 3.3 assist, with 52% from the field, 48% from 3, and 92% from the free throw. That is just 40-90 with room to go. Yeah, I like that. That's just prime KD, bro. Listen, I mean, listen, I don't know if he makes that noise But he does the ocean Does he not stick his tongue out? I don't think so

That was the zestiest He doesn't drop down, get his eagle on That was the zestiest celebration I've ever seen That's crazy But yeah, he's him And he's making the leak that we all hope he could Everybody, it's been funny He's on Twitter, people were like

Oh, the suns got rid of him They didn't know what they had They got rid of a blossoming star You got Kevin Durant. You dumb idiots Why do you think he was a centerpiece of a Kevin Durant trade. They knew what they had.

They had to give up to something to get a top 10 player. Yeah. Yeah. He's everything you wanted to be. He looks great. From the desk of my fantasy basketball team, thank you, Mikhail Bridges.

You have single-handedly made us a playoff contender again. I really appreciate you. But he's been, like you say, he's been really, really great. And it was very interesting because when, when Brooklyn got everything back from Phoenix

and from Dallas, they had a lot of fours, a lot of forwards a lot of like pieces that would that would help them be like a scrappy team that can you know compete for 42 games a year which is basically like that's kind of on the pace that they are because even though that mikhail's been great the three and seven or four and six in the last 10 like they haven't been fantastic yeah but it's I think it's very interesting to see mckell take over the offense and be able to step into another situation and instantly be like the man offensively especially coming off of like with the nets where where cam

thomas was was kind of ascending into being like a really good scoring option for them now we got three straight dmps that's crazy row one thing that like i do not i know this conversation is going to happen let's say if like the phoenix sun is our first round exit you're going to have fans out there that'll be like oh man we should have just kept mccall bridges instead of kd because like he's doing the same exact shit and he's actually healthier and he's younger and you like that but it's like bro let's be real like in that situation

Devin Booker's not letting McAller's cook CP's not letting him do that shit either bro McHall's great, fantastic role player but in certain situations like you kind of maxed out and peaked you're like what you're being asked to do you know? Yeah for a young player's situation is everything I keep on preaching

I keep on preaching about this and like this is just one of the situations where he's the focus is all on him. Yeah. It comes down to somebody like Kevin Durant can score 30 while Devin Booker scores 30. He's good enough. Has that type of scalable game. He's that guy.

Bridges isn't like that. If Bridges could score 28 in the Suns, he would have done it. He just doesn't have that type of skill set. He needs a ball on his hands more to do what we're seeing him do. So it's just like, it's useless to kick yourself as a Sun's fan and be like, oh, what could have happened if we let him develop? Like, he wouldn't have been Kevin Durant. I'll tell you that.

You're going to do fine if you're a Sun's fan. Yeah, you'll live. You'll live, bro. Shout out to the Nets. Shout out to McCauber. Facts. Just wanted to quickly shot him out. But now we should talk to about the meat and potatoes of this Eastern Conference.

These top three teams are close as hell and have all been interesting in their own right. Let's start with the Bucks. Bro, the Bucks are unbeatable right now. They're so unbeatable that Yonis is deservingly so in MVP conversations again. Yeah, he's forcing it back into a conversation with Yokic, which there's been a lot of nasty conversation around this MVP race in the media lately. I ain't going to lie. Honestly, Kendrick Perkins probably been watching our YouTube sorts and he's been seeing all your drafts, all your patterns of who you like to select first. And he's like, this motherfucker of Isaac.

He's probably bunch of the shit out of your last day. We don't got to get too far into it. I don't want to talk about that toxic, some old-ass conversation. But I will say that Kendrick Perkins is the worst thing that happened to NBA media since fucking. I'm not going to make that joke. He's a horrible for NBA. Yeah, don't say that. Good job.

Off of Perk, Perkins, man. What do you expect? Yeah, I hate that guy. But, yeah, the bucks are fantastic. They're back to the one-seat now, after a slow-ish start because of health. We talked about, we did our player, not player, team ratings for the year. We gave them grade so far in the season around the trade deadline. I gave them a B.

You guys give an A because they're starting a little slow, and I was like, they haven't been as good as a Celtics. If we redid that today, I would give them an A with ease. Like, they're back to the one C. back to being as good as you'd want them to be. Chris is, they've been bringing Chris Milton back slowly. He's been coming off the bench a lot. In this last game, he finally started for the first time. 24 points, 11 assist.

He started again tonight. He's back in the lineup. Yeah. If they're rolling how they have been and Chris is finally coming around, he's going to be back to like 20-21, Chris, this team doesn't make a run. Drew Holiday playing the way he is in Brooke Lopez having one of the most impactful seasons of his career.

The bucks are nasty, man. They're going to win a title. title. They're going to win the title. I won't be shocked, honestly. If they're, again, if they're rolling like this, if everything is hitting, if Chris Middleton, like you guys have said, Chris Middleton gets back to his level, Drew Holiday, you know, one of the best defenders in the league, Janus, one of the best defenders in the league, Brooke Lopez, one of the best defenders in the league. Like, they are, they are impenetrable on defense. Their offense is, they found out.

their offense. Let's talk about that. And for a big part of the season, like, I was kind of skeptical. My worry was that, like, is Chris Middleton, like, this valuable to the offense to where it goes from, you know, like 20th mid offense to, you know, one of the better offenses in the league? Yes, he absolutely is. He absolutely is.

It's also because they have such a shortage of shooting this year that it makes him even more valuable because, spoiler, he can shoot. A lot of those guys can't. Yeah. So for the year They're second in defense Like always you know They always hang their hat on defense

Even when they won the title They weren't they were a defense oriented team And for the year they're just 17th in offense Overall So that's what you're saying It's a very mid offense Yeah And that's why they were starting a little slow

As like a three seed earlier in the year But if you look at the last 10 games They're seventh in offense So like things are starting to click lately Yeah absolutely I agree And he's a little bit more than his shooting Of course like he is obviously

One of the best shooters on that entire roster but like there's things outside of shooting that's ultra valuable which is like he out of everyone on that team I'd be most comfortable with him assadians with the ball in his hands and I trust him in his decision making that's no shade no shot at drew a holiday whatsoever it's just naturally like he's a better playmaker you know and like in terms of just like all the levels of the court where he's effective and like his height his size the vision not to say he's one of the best passes in the league whatsoever but um he just he can make plays for himself and others a little bit you're right like exactly that's a dynamic they need in their offense from a ball hand there

yeah exactly and that just changed you playing off yonis completely it comes down to when when you play with yonis teams throw a lot of bodies of him helping you need to be able to swing it out to guys who can catch the ball shoot or attack off the dribble and make plays themselves for everything grason allen's done well this year that's not gracing out christian allen's game they need to have that second guy outside of drew and chris brings up back to them yeah exactly shout to jvonne carter too he's been a i interesting dude looks like he he looks like a very interesting character man like i i want to say something but i'm not going to say it you know he's pierre's cousin are you serious really yeah it's like his blood cousin really that's crazy yeah like it's his cousin

cousin is jevonne carter that's interesting i never knew that more you know more you know yeah a little through the wire lore but yeah so the bucks are on the up and up they're everything there's not much that much to say because they're just back to being the bucks they're what we expected for them to be another team that's on the up and up in this top three the 76ers Oh yeah They're looking like I don't know why I forget So everybody talks about them

With like a little bit of trepidation In their voice Where everyone like Everyone's kind of scared To have too much faith In the 76ers They kind of like As soon as you get confident

And then they make you nervous Because James Hardin fails every year Joel and B gets hurt every year In the playoffs Yeah exactly Doc Rivers is a coach Yeah Doc Rivers is inept You just kind of don't want to trust them

But they're kind of giving you Reason to trust them lately No they haven't Okay I know you don't trust them But they've looked, like, legitimately extremely good. James Hardin came back from injury on December 5th. Since then, they have the number two offense in the entire NBA behind only the Kings, which, as you guys know, Joelle and Beath now averaging like 33 points per game,

Hardin's averaging 11 assists. Like, they're both clicking together as well as you could want them to as a duo. And what's most impressive to me about that is Hardin just does not turn the ball over anymore. As you guys know, Prime Hardin was always, like, amazing score, amazing playmaker, but he had a high turnover ratio, like Russell Westbrook. Yeah. The other night, he had 20 assists and one turnover. Damn.

That's some CP3. What the fuck is that ratio? Yeah, that's crazy. And the night before that, he had 38 and 10 with only two turnovers. God, yeah. His ball security is just amazing at this point. Yeah. It's not making crazy decisions or anything like that.

But Donovan, you don't like to hear any of that. What do you have to say? Hater. No, I think it's lining. It's lining up for this to be the most typical 76s season. that we've seen in terms of like they are going to have everything on paper to to make you look at them and say you guys have a chance to at least make the conference finals and they just aren't going to get it done and the the two games in recent memory that really

really took me out of this like headspace of being able to jump on the bandwagon so like personally I've since the start of the season I've said that the sixers are going to be a second around exit. I feel affirmed in that statement because of the game against Boston at home on that Saturday night primetime game. Yeah. And the game against Miami. Those, specifically the Boston one. They've played three games against the Celtics this year. They've lost all three. That game against, against Boston, they were in control for the entire, they were in control as much as you would want them to. And they can't finish that game at home. And it's just like, if joel and james can't look across the the floor or whatever at home when you're in control

and you're up nine or whatever close to double digits and if you can't say we're going to win this game i don't trust you and then you have another then you have another game recently where you're playing against the heat and jimmy butler just goes in and he's like yeah i'm going to win this game and they don't have anybody like joel joel didn't step up to take to take over that game to win that game it's it's those games against the teams that that they're going to play in the playoffs where they haven't shown the ability to finish things out and that that's what worries me so much about yeah yeah it's i'm interested in the fact that you said that you brought to celtics so they lost three games to them i saw a tweet i can't remember who

tweeted it that was interesting that this top three in the east is really about matchups and whatever series come to because the 76ers kryptonite is the celtic because they have switchable wings throw it hard in and really smart bays that have a lot of experience guarding and bead then the Celtics kryptonite is the Bucks because Yonis is impossible to stop for a team that has wings but not a lot of size and you know aggressiveness in the paint you know they have that discipline

Yonis is just like a different beast for them but then the Bucs kryptonite is the Sixers who have kind of given them hell lately so like all these teams are really effective against each other but also really affected by the other one so it's like a trifective like Pokemon types that hurt that damage each other yeah yeah so that's it's gonna make the second round really interesting because these teams are gonna play each other in some capacity yeah i think i think i think the i think the two and the three is going to be

boston and philly and if that's the case boston's going get that series yeah they're they're going to win and i would not if philly plays the bucks it's going to be interesting like it's all about match in the but i mean but that they would have to drop to four Milwaukee's two games up on on boston they're not they're not letting that go you're right and we we'd all pick the bucks over the six years but like definitely the celtics other boogeyman we would feel a little more like this is a series if it was in b versus yannis know what i mean yeah the east is really the east has a little bit more clarity in their playoff picture everybody is kind of like two games apart right now like the celtics are two games above the sixers the sixers are two and a half games

above the calves the calves are two and a half games above the nix like there's so some, there's some breathing room that I don't think is going to get made up towards the end of the season. So I feel like at least in the top five, what you see right now is probably what we're going to get. Yeah. So we talked about the Sixers. We talked about the Bucks. There's the third team in this top three. We have to talk about who have, this is obviously the Celtics. And they've been, you know, the most steady four star most of the year. They were the one C for a lot of time, the best team in basketball for a lot of time. People were saying Tatum has an MVP claim because of it.

They're, I hesitate to use the word falling off, but they're slowing down a little bit for a variety of reasons. And I want to know is, are you upset about it? Are you worried about them because of it? I don't think anybody should be worried about this whatsoever. Like, teams have, I don't want to say they're coasting or whatever, but like there's nothing, when I've seen them play, the very few times I've seen them play over the last week or a week or so. Like, it's just like, I don't want to say lazy basalt, but just not as much urgency. as I would notice. I'm glad you said that. I've seen Celtics fans talk about this and I've seen someone say that they're clearly not having the tenacity they had early in the season. That's like all clear. But last year they sprinted through the finish line of the season and paid for it because they had injuries. Robert Williams got hurt in the first round. They were gas in the finals against the Celtics, I mean against the Warriors. So clearly them sprinting through the finish line really hurt them. So now they're playing it slow. They're kind of like treading water a little bit into the playoffs. yeah do you see value to that for a team that's been there and knows they can get there

absolutely yeah yeah don't know no if you're if you're if you're like if you're 30 if the majority of your team is like 30 years old right 30 31 then then maybe yeah but the I don't like the idea or or the narrative and especially if it's coming from Celtics fans that like oh we sprinted towards the finish line and we were gassed in the in the playoffs no you guys turn the ball over 20 times every single game and Jason Tatum couldn't hit because they're retired turnovers are stop that they're kind of are though low key that I mean that is a correlation they're like slopping the ball can happen I mean but turnovers were a problem that they had the entire season yeah lack of playmaking and so for them to turn the ball over 20 times and they ran

into one of another like elite defense and they couldn't they couldn't figure it out I'm not going to put that on a retired also because your stars are 25 and 26 years old give me a break yeah but come on come on let's be to be fair jason taste man to be fair last year in the playoffs jason taintom led the league in points and assist he was putting up so many minutes so much burden on him offensively he definitely burnt out in the finals people were talking the stupid fucking narrative they're like jaylon browns actually might be better than taitom he had a better finals performance and that happened because tatoom got burnt out he had hardened syndrome where he couldn't carry this load for four straight series. It's difficult. So I'm not going to pretend that it means nothing. You know, like

Jason Tatum personally did get burnt out. It was pretty clear. I don't, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to put that on, on Tatum. I think that's, I honestly feel like that's unfair to Jason Tatum to say that he, that he burnt out in the finals. And I also think that's unfair to the warriors to say that. My thing is, if, I think both can be true, but I see what you mean. If you're the, if you're the Celtics right now, knowing that you made it to the, to the finals last year, you should have your head down going for it going for the number one seed every single every single time you should be playing you should be playing hard every single night and i think that like you like you are not in any position to say oh we can coast through through through the regular season yeah i said that they're coasting because that's kind of what like people feel but let's talk about why they've been struggling because maybe it's not that simple you know like maybe they're just playing bad in the last 10 games they're 16th in offense and 12th in defense 16th and offense is a far cry from what they were early in the season when they were first above the Kings were offensive they may have peaked at the wrong time yeah but let's talk about why because I think the concerning part that I've seen

the Celtics fans talk about is last year they were so good in the second half of the season because their starting lineup was incredible when they brought Robert Williams into the fold and not into the fold but they changed his role and they put him as basically the power forward while Al Horford was a center guarding centers and that way Al Horford could be that well Robert Williams uses his weak side of room protection to come protect the rim from the side that lineup has been dog shit this year What's the numbers on it? I'll tell you their numbers on it

I'm glad you asked So that's called a lob everybody Yep It's like they're sixth most used lineup this year Because Robert Williams has missed a lot of times In that time They're minus 16.4 net rating Actively bad lineup that hurts them

They're 17th percentile in offense And 17th percentile on defense Which for those who don't know It means they're in the bottom 17% of all lineups there is the 17th percentile and half-court offense bottom 17 percent and why is that the case because I think we're starting to see

one Robert Williams doesn't look at Robert Williams quite yet he looks a little rusty and I think this year we're really seeing the downside of playing two bigs that was kind of masked last year so you know this year the big thing with Joe Mizzula the change has been they shoot a fuck ton of threes

44% of their shots are threes when they're in that lineup it's only 25% of their shots It's a whole game style It's a whole style change Right completely change But it makes sense right You have Al Horford and Robert Williams out there

Of course you're not gonna jack up hello threes Yeah I'm sorry that 29% of their shots are from three And but they're shooting 25% on them So not only if they're not putting up the volume They're breaking everything with that lineup Yeah Which to me I'm wondering to ask you

Was the shooting last year that lineup unsustainable Because to me I hear Marcus Smart Robert Williams Al Horford That's not a good shooting lineup Yep I think it was unsustain And every single game that they won, it was some type of historic thing happened. Like, you had, you had, I remember, like, game two in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, uh, in the, in the first half.

Game four, Al Horford had a career high in a, in the fourth quarter. He knocked down crazy threes. Game six, uh, game six, uh, game six, Tatum went for 46 career high in the playoffs. Game seven, Grant Williams hit eight threes. career high shot to his memory man it's I know because I was very frustrated

last year watching this team because you would just watch you did you fucking hated grandma Lance for no reason because it's like they just couldn't keep it up and I was waiting for it to end last year and it's very interesting it's it's very interesting

to see kind of everything that was waiting for six I guess nine months ago happen now yeah the part to me that confuses me too is it's not even just the offense right like the offense slowing down to not be able to hit shots in the small sample size that lineup doesn't surprise you right but you would think the defense would still be good like it's the same core the same players but it's not like i said it's 17th percentile they gave

up an insane amount of threes from that lineup 44 percent of opponent shots are from three it's a large number and teams are scoring on them they're shooting 76 percent at the room against them when you're playing two bigs one of them supposedly one of the best room protectors in the league it makes no sense right so maybe that tells us a small sample size and it'll get better yeah but maybe it tells us that when robert williams isn't peak and he's not not quite as athletic as he is when he's healthy. Maybe it's just too slow-footed out there. Al Horford's a year older.

Maybe you just need smaller lineups out there. But if they put smaller lineups, I don't, like, you can't go small just to go small, right? You still have to be able to have like capable small players. And so if they go small and it's like, all right, we'll put Blake Griffin at the five. Like they're getting cut.

It's not that small. It's not that small. But like, you see what I'm saying? Like the options that they have at the five. with with with Cornet I mean I mean more so just play one of those bigs and not start both of them right yeah so like play Alhofer to the bench start Robert Williams at the five

and then put like Grant Williams next to him or something because early in the season when they were the one seed it was because they had Al Horford at center and then played them all around that because Robert Williams was hurt yeah maybe they got to go back to that and play one at a time they've listen that's I don't I don't know if they want to do that they haven't really played like Grant Williams has been really inconsistent in terms of his minutes

like he's been in and out of the live I don't know what it is that they've been feeling or I guess not feeling with Grant but apparently that's just something that they don't really have too much interest in. Yeah. Do you think they go back to the early season starting lineup where Derek White was starting? Tatum at the four.

Derek White has been cooking so you might as well try it like they have nothing to lose it. If what is happening and what you guys are expecting like there's some not serious issues but they're running into some kinks. They haven't had any kinks throughout the entirety of the season. So like if it's happening now like

now is the best time to make those adjustments but honestly I'm not worried about them like in the slightest I'm not worried about them overall but I'm worried about that lineup which was their bread and butter so I think the outcome is just they go back to Derek White starting and it's only start one of the bigs maybe for now Robert Williams has to be your six man maybe it's out Horford but they were cooking to start the year

and once Robert Williams came back and they've kind of integrated this you know bread and butter from last year it slowed down a little bit so I think that should probably tell you something that lineup that lineup that you're talking about with White starting and you have market smart Derek White Jalen Brown, Tatum at the four, and then Horford at the five. That's their most played lineup, and it's a very, very efficient lineup.

They're plus 13 with that in the 77th percentile in that lineup. So it's clearly... Way better. It's clearly effective, and plus 13 is much better than minus 16. Bro, the offensive rating is 121 in that, and the original starting lineup is 105. Damn, that's a huge drop off. That's horrible. Huge drop off.

Yeah, that's tough. But we'll see. Of these, so the question I now have to ask is we talk about all three of these teams. Who are you most confident in to come out of the east? The box. Yeah, definitely the bucks. Clean sweep over here, too. It's the bucks.

Definitely the bucks. They've given us no real, really reason, the only worry that we've had for the bucks all season was like three-point shooting or whatever, but that's like a direct correlation of, like, health. And so that fixes itself over time. And so, like, the bucks, they're just the bucks, bro. They're consistent steady and they ready, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I guess that's what it comes down to It's hard to when

You know the team is healthy around him It's hard to bet against Janus Plus exactly He's the best player out of all these teams So it's easy Yeah It's if they're all clicking at the best Capabilities they could all be

It's right Comes down to You're not going to bet against Janus in the east It's right I 100% I agree They're going to win the title He's going to get his second

Final of MVP It's going to be a legendary season For Janus You're going to be sick when Yokch beats him in the finals. I had the winning in the finals. We don't want to have,

we don't want to have those conversations. Yeah, I want to see that really bad. I want to see that match up. That would be an all-time duel, man. I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind it, but I need John is to come out on top.

Yeah. Honestly, for discourse reasons, Yokhers and beating the finals would have us in hell for a month. Twitter would be unsufferable. Kendrick Perkins every day. That's what he,

that's his Super Bowl. We're going to have Kendrick Perkins and Drew Hanlon on Twitter just jumping Yokech. Speaking of Drew Hanlin, what a fucking... What an event. I need it. I need it. Crazy. But anyways, know what time it is?

It's TikTok time. TikTok time. Yay. You're just crawling from the back. We go through the TikTok sidepoints like we always do. And as you know, we always start with the draft. Nothing changes today. This time, so two episodes ago, we did a draft with the number one picks in NBA draft.

They were doing the number two picks, which is much harder because there's far less all-time grades. Facts. This is the pick of bust. This is the one where it's like, oh, like this, this pick is just as good, and then they suck. Yeah. Did you guys, do you guys get a list of names?

Did you guys get some names listed? Yeah. Good, you have to, because this is one, you have to do prep for it. Yeah. Cool. So I think last time I went second in the bag draft. So I guess I'm first. Who in third?

Did I go third? You know, you go third now. You pick Katie first. it's me, Mo Donovan is the order In the bag draft Oh I forgot Oh wait

But we did two Was the bagged The second one? Yeah Okay So I got first pick Mo got second pick Donovan has third pick

This says This is so hard Let's draft NBA lineups With only number two draft picks Let's do it First pick

Obviously I got Kevin Durant All right Yep Sounds good This is This deep decline All right. Second pick is awkward, but I got John Morant.

Okay. I can't be mad at it. I think it's a bit of a reach, but I see it. Yeah, I'm projecting, bro. Projecting. Okay, okay. Let me give my list up right now. Hmm.

Where do I want to go with the number two pick? You got good options? Or I guess with the number three pick. You know what? Give me, give me Brandon Ingram. Okay. and I really want a point guard so give me

there's a lot of point guards yeah this this is it's still kind of nasty though give me Mike Bibby do y'all not realize who's on this okay your turn okay yes all right uh so

give me Lamarcus Aldridge do y'all not know who's on his list give me Bill Russell and give me Isaiah Thomas I forgot about Bill Russell I forgot about Bill Russell. That is not on the list that you sent us. There's two different lists. Bro.

Well, Bill Russell was definitely like the 60s. So you had to do your homework. Yeah. I forgot about Bill Russell. This was the second link. Mike Bibby is crazy. Yeah, Mike Bibby is an all-time fumble. And I was the second league.

See, here's what happens. Here's what happened. Here's what had happened. I was looking up. I was looking up the other link because this one only went down to like 1998. I was looking up another link. that link hadn't loaded yet and I was trying to keep the show yeah sorry nobody cares your turn well uh okay so you got bill russell and also who isaiah thomas

oh that's nasty that's pistons pistons damn yeah okay cool oh yeah i kept in the right sense i got to figure out how to save this all right fight for second all right so to complete my back court So I have Lamarcus Saldridge, John Brandt, and to complete my backcourt, give me Gary Payton. That's a good pick. Mike Bibby, bro. Look at yourself in your mirror, Donovan. Slop yourself. Listen, my internet was slow.

I'm going to make you look so bad in this edit. It's going to be hilarious. Yeah. I mean, listen, I don't even want to go. I don't even want to go. We got to get a drive. My internet was slow. I lagged out.

All right. This is tough. All right, so I got Brandon, Angrove and Mike Bibby. Let's, let's get it. Let's get it.

All right. We are going to, this is awful. You got Mike, baby. This is crazy. Yeah. This is,

I'm going to figure this out. Yeah, this might be the biggest drop off. You got this? I'm going to figure this out. All right, here's what we're doing. We're going to slide.

this is disgusting we're gonna slide Mike Bibby we're gonna slide Mike Bibby to the two give me Jason kid at my one and then I would like Alonzo Morning as my center okay that's a good redemption pick

that's nice all right gosh and that was nasty all right so I'm up next yep all right so now I think this is where we see like the steep decline

it's a drop off from hell basically and we just have like pretty nasty names so I got John Morant Gary Payton and I got Lamarcos soldiers so I need a five and then also I need a small fort

and if I'm looking at this list right now they ain't that many like nice small hordes not of it's in hell yeah he's he's in absolutely he's in purgatory right now So give me Tyson Chandler Okay

Listen Give me Jerry West Give me Wes unselled on my power forward What list are you looking at? I don't see anything This is the easiest W of my life This is the easiest W of my life Jerry West

Oh my God bro Jerry West Isaac sent us So whackless I cannot see Look those looks don't have every year You had to look at the old draft I went to look in the 60s

I looked in the 70s I did my research Nah, you set us up I'm going to touch too I have Brandon Ingram at the three This most turn Oh is it my turn Yeah

I should be able to skip Yeah Maybe you need more than me But we don't play in fair over here You got it All right Isaac you pretty what swept this draft But it's okay

And uh Yeah it's kind of crazy It's ridiculous Yeah, it's ridiculous Bro It is literally ridiculous All right I can't even think straight

Because it's like Bro, what are you gonna do Like you're so fucked Like it doesn't matter Who you pick Like you're cucked dude Like you might as well Not finish this shit

But I'm gonna finish it All right Damn I can't believe All right You know what Steve Francis Is a guard right

He was a guard right Yeah You can pick Steve Francis How tall was he Like six time Maybe six three maybe yeah

yeah go it damn do I want to say Steve Francis just take him it doesn't matter at this point we lost yeah and you know what no screw that give me Ola Depot man I just seen you're on my team give me Ola Depot okay it's a good good yeah give me Ola Depot

he's gonna be my three give me Marcus can be man one of the nastiest shots in NBA history that is a great way to solidify your draft not for nothing though not for nothing my front court my twin towers of marcus can be in alonzo morning

kind of disgusting you have the most embarrassing draft I've ever seen it's kind of nasty who's your front court my front court I'm not talking to you Isaac obviously you got this one I got Lamarcus Alder and Tyson

challenge that's nice I'm cooking you I'm cooking you I told you I'm fighting for second right now Has I said I was on an MVP before you Huh? Did Isaiah Thomas ever win an MVP? No. Okay, I got four MVP.

He's than Isaiah Thomas. Yeah, no. Yeah, you went way back. You went way back in history, bro. God. I did. I had to. If those lists weren't full,

I had to go to another site and look at, like, 19665. Next TikTok. Donovan. Next TikTok. All right. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to do a little bit of talking about NBA logos,

which you haven't done a while. But people liked it when we did it. So go to the GM. I've sent the pictures So I'm gonna show you guys Old logos and new logos And you gotta tell me which one's better So I'm gonna say the hook

Which NBA logo is better Old or new Which NBA logo is better Old or New The Warriors I haven't gotten anything to be honest Bro I sent it earlier Go look

Oh yes It's up there Okay nobody I see it This is tough I like the old though The old is very like distinct You know I've never seen

a logo like that or anything close to it in my entire life. And I'm sad that they went away from it. I think that's kind of dated. I don't know. That's how that old one is very, it's so 2000s. Yeah. And I can like old like very 2000 stuff, but like there's a fine line there. I think this might just be a little bit over it. I don't need a mascot

in my logo like that. I don't need a guy in there. The mascot looks so powerful though. Like it makes you feel like a super... He's a brawlick as fuck, but like the new one's cleaner. I can't be mad at that. But give me Give me to, give me an old one for sure. I think the new one has reached, like, iconic levels that, like, because of the run they had, that, like, this is going to be, like, one of those logos that never changes.

Bro, take that history out the way we just talk about Strictly Logo. It still is better. Well, it doesn't. The Milwaukee Bucks. Oh, this is tough. I think, I don't know why, but I've never been a fan of green and red together. This dude hates Christmas. Maybe I do.

But give me the new one Bro, it's the new one easy Look at the two bucks in the eye Look at both bucks in the eyes The old one looks like Bambi It looks like a coward That is a bitch buck Look at the new one

The new one is fierce That motherfucker will just show you Stout He's like alpha male buck in this bitch I'm gonna go old one No this new buck means business I'm not messing with him Yeah I like that cream too

Replace the red with the cream It's so much smoother And it just it just goes well together bro. Yeah, I know you love cream. Do you know what you just said? Whoa. Look at his face. That's been good to talk.

I know you love cream. Maybe he'll have his face cut to it. Yeah. Oh, my God. All right. The clippers. This is tough. They're both ass.

They're both terrible. That's what I'm about to say. They both suck. Yeah. These are horrendous. I guess the old one might be a little better, but like, This is the worse than a bit off. This is a garbage off.

I got the new. I got the new. Why? Yeah, the new looks too modern. It looks too, like techy. Like, so Silicon Valley. Yeah, man. I really can't choose.

They're both trash. Can I, is there an exit button out of this, man? Yeah, I don't want to see this. L versus L. Next. The Phoenix Suns. Oh, this is tough, but I'm going to say the old. The old one is nasty.

I like the old one, too. I like the old logo, too. I'll go old one. It's getting close to looking dated, but I think the fire and the bird looks just cool enough that I'll give them, I'll give him the W. Dated is in now, man. I don't know what's, I don't know what's up with you. It's a fine line, but this one's, this one's good. Yeah.

It's not, it doesn't wash it. Let's just say that. Let's be fair. Either way, the suns need new branding. Their jersey suck. Their logo isn't great. Their fonts are always terrible. So, I think they're just all right.

Go fix the sons. Yeah, somebody fix them. The Houston Rockets. These are two really good logos. Old one. I think the old. Yeah. I agree.

The teeth in the rocket looks really nice. Yeah, exactly. That ours is too basic and boring. There's just so much. There's just so much going on with the old one, though. There's so much going on with the old one, it's busy, but it's not too busy. It's just enough to catch your attention. For sure, it's interesting.

But I'm not going to say, the new one is pretty clean. I think it's a strong logo overall, but their old branding is like elite. Yeah, I agree with that. I love the old one, man. yeah right the Denver Nuggets old one

this is hard the old one this one okay the color scheme is the color scheme is just better and so I have to go with her

I agree with you the colors are better but is the logo better outside the colors I feel like it's easy to get caught up in that but the logo might not be better

what are we doing here what are just some axes over here no uh uh uh give me the completely different logo

give me the snow on top of the everything stop that yeah I'll go old I'll go old, but, like, I think it's closer than you would think. Yeah, I like old better, but it is definitely so much closer. Yeah, I mean, the new one's kind of cool.

It's like pickaxes because, you know, Nuggets is like gold mining. Either way, when you think about it, the name Nuggets is fucking stupid. It's a horrible name. Gold Nuggets. We're naming your team after Gold Nuggets. Are you kidding me? What's iconic about the Nuggets, though, and this old logo is that they used to stamp these on some jeans in the back, bro. You should be fired.

Are you kidding me? I was so jealous every time I seen a dude. them god damn some hood shit I can't remember those that's crazy yeah that's crazy

yeah that's funny yeah that's all our logos we're flying through these that's gonna be funny the next thing we're gonna do we're gonna save the dunks for next week I think because this is gonna be a short week anyways

so we're not gonna have time to post all these so we'll save that oop leaking our TikTok ideas not you so what we're gonna do now is we're gonna go through some all-time teams which we did last week and people liked it

and also hated it for some of our picks we're going to do that again so what was the hook I used what did I say is like let's make the all-time

starting lineup for these teams yeah yeah all time lineup for this NBA team yeah I forgot what I said I'm going to name

some NBA teams and we have to make their all-time starting five the Nets all right Jason kid at the one easy

Vince Carter at the two is Kyrie over Vince Carter We're trying to go by actual positions though, right? Oh, okay, yeah I think Kyrie kind of counts as a two Because James Harden was one Like, I think we can get away with Kyrie at two I feel like that's a stretch for this one

Yeah, I can't be Tyree So we go Vince Carter to keep true positions Yeah, let's do Vince Katie is three Actually, can Katie be four Katie can't play the four with them Yeah, you guys can debate that Because we got to put Julius Irving in there.

We have to. Yeah. Katie 3, Julius Xervant 4. I'm so happy you're respecting the Afro. You were on my ass last time. He doesn't have a bag like that. But anyways, yeah, Julius Irving in 3, Katie at the 4. Is Brick Lopez there 5?

Yeah. It's got to be right. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out. Richard Jefferson Snumb is crazy, man. Shout out to the walking thumb. I love him.

All right. The New York Knicks. Point guard, Ralt Frazier. That's clear. Oh, it's not Jared Patrick Ewing. Center's Patrick Ewing. For sure.

Small Ford. Mellow's small forward. Yeah, mellow's the three. Damn, who's a two? That's two is interesting. Can't have J.R. Smith? Don't, please don't say it so. Nah.

Two could go a lot of ways. Who? What ways it going? Bernard King's a small forward. We can't put him at the two. Yeah. Can we put Oman Row with the two? Yeah.

That's what I was thinking. Per Earl there. Okay, Roman Roe. Okay. Who's the four? Let's see. Stottemeyer didn't play that long. This is one of those ones where like...

Is it Julius Randall? Fuck no, it's not Julia's Randall. This is one of those ones where it's like Dave de Busher. So like out of respect is probably Dave, but I don't know, like Amarie Stademeyer. Maybe. Sure, we'll put Dave Dabucher. Why not? I know his name from 2K.

Julius Randolph. No snub is crazy, man. I'm not going to pretend I've ever seen Dave DeBusher play, but he can have it. I don't even know what that man looked like, man. He has wings. He has wings. Willis Reed? I think he played five.

Oh, okay, sure. Dave DeBusher. Okay. That's where. Next. The Cavaliers. Kyrie, for sure. Lebron, LeBron, LeBron, LeBron, LeBron, LeBron, LeBron.

Cairo. Okay, so Kyrie at the one. Yep. Lebrons of the three. Yep. Who's the two? the two let's come back to the two

the four is larry nance okay yeah the four is larry nans good good good cut who's the five a big z is he the five yeah yeah is he no he can't be

why he got his jersey retired why not there's so many players in this franchise Brad Daughery what who she need no more ball

he was him Yeah, I don't know Brad Daughery, bro. Sorry. No, Brad Daughery was, he's like, he's a good player. Like, it's Brad Daughery. Yeah, yeah. He's the first pick in 1986. Oh, okay.

And then the two. Yeah, five is Brad Daughery. Who's the two? Wait, wait, real quick before we get to you, do we want to argue Mark Price for Kyrie? No, Kyrie, I think Kyrie. Mark Price deserves recognition, but it's Kyrie. Okay. Yeah.

I wish we put Mark Price to the two, but we're staying true to position. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. Yeah. So who's the two? Is it World Be Free? Do we got World Be Flat and Will Be Free in the back court? Let's do it.

Let's do it. Okay, that's fire. That's fire. That's fire. You're in your bag with that one. That's funny. Okay. The Chicago Bulls.

All right. Derek Rose. D. Rose, MJ, Luwald, Dang. Are Scotty, my bad. That's great. Scott Pippin of the three. Yeah.

Robin the four or Kucoch the four Robman Okay Robin the four The Joaquin The five Artis Gilmore Is he even Gilmore Or George Miking

Wow Is George Mikin's prime On the Bulls I think so I have no idea No it's probably on the Lakers Wasn't he Was he?

Was he prime on Lakers? Yeah I don't even know He was on the Bulls He's a Lakers guy Okay Was he on the Bulls Am I just making that up Bro

I just put Joaquin in there Too much dialogue Damn respect him He was an All-star No, it's hard It's just

Gilmore though God I think I'm just Making that out Yeah I completely made that out It was just lying Y'all are entertaining

What the fuck I just lied Yeah That's Gilmore Yeah That's funny The Denver Nuggets All right

Alan Iverson Yep An Irish should The two Oh is Alex English A two Or is he a three I think he was a three

I don't look this up Let's look this up real quick Before we get into it Because he's obviously in over Alan Iverson He doesn't do shit with the... He is a group He's not even on there

Okay so Here's a problem With the Nuggets Obviously Yokish is the five Yeah For the three do we go Alex English Or Camelo Anthony Carmelo Anthony

Mello Well damn Alex English was him Like it's not easy Yeah that's that's not Yeah that's unfair That's unfair It's Carmelo Anthony

For the sake of Jersey number conflex, let's put Alex English. No, I think it's Alex English. Like, he accomplished more than Carmelo and Anthony. Let's put Alex English. Can't have two number 15s in that court. Alex is it is. People are going to be mad. It's Carmelo.

Yeah, people are going to be pissed at that. Anybody who's mad at the comments, go to basketball reference and type in Alex English. It is Alex English. Expect a spear through your house tonight, Isaac, all right? They're coming for you. The mellow stands are coming for you. Alex English is an eight-time All-Star, three-time All-MBA Hall of Famer.

Like, Alex English is him. Yeah, exactly. Tell him. And he's the Nuggets for way longer. All right, so. That's not disrespectful at all. It's not disrespectful at all. Alex English, come on.

Okay, so I was in Yokech is a five. Two, David Thompson. Oh, yeah, for sure. That's easy. Easy. Yeah, it's an easy one. I don't know who their point guard is. Am I just forgetting somebody

Was Chauncey Billups there? No, that's too old I think it was too old Who's their best point guard ever? Is it just Jamal Murray? Yeah, it can't be That's weird No, I mean

So there was He's nice Your boy, Mahmoud Abdul Raouf Oh He played a couple years And then not like a couple years But he played there. He was very, very solid.

All rookie team. Are we going to? I mean, but like... You could get a fat lever? Fat lever. It's a WMBA name. It's crazy. Let's just give him to Jamal Murray.

Fuck it. Yeah, Jamal Murray. Let's do it. He's not an all-star, but bro. New school representation. Power forward. Did we just go like Dan Isle? Like, do we just callback?

Yeah. I sure Dan Nissell can have it. Who the hell is that? All these names, I don't know. Let's keep it moving. I only know Dan Nisle because of 2K, I'm telling you. Let's keep it moving. The Spurs.

Last one. All right. This is easy. Knock this out. Tony Parker. Monon, no way. Kaui Leonard. Tim Duncan.

Oh, wait. No, no, no. No, my bad. My bad. My bad. We're disrespectful. We got to take Manu out. It's George Gervin at the two.

Oh, okay. Okay. Same. You almost have. Tony Parker, George Gerber, Quilandered out, Tim Duncan, David Robinson. Yeah.

Yeah. Good save. What a starting five. Damn. That's nasty, man. And Wondo off the bench? Yeah. That's nasty, man.

Yeah, that's disgusting. So that's one, two, three, four. That's all of them. Really, that's all the two talks we need. You want to play a game for any questions to break it up? Just to have that in our back pocket? Sure. Sure.

Okay. I'll think of the name. I mean, mini, money, any, mini, money, any money, any money. Okay. You got 20 questions. Y'all got 20 questions to think of the NBA player I'm thinking of. All right. You ready, Donovan?

Yeah, let's go. All right, cool. Was he rocking a fade for most of his career? A fade? He had short hair, I'll say that. This motherfucker was bald, Donovan? No. Is this player white?

No. Hmm. Okay, so he's, so he has like the, like the even Stevens. He has the season cut. Why? Donovan. He's picking Alex English. All right.

All right. All right. Did this player retire within the last 10 years? Yes. Nice. Okay, so 2013 and after retired. Cool. All right.

Did he rock this? primary team in the eastern conference it was not primary team in the west did he rock a shooting sleeve consistently throughout his career i don't think so you love asking that that's like never helpful it is very helpful you just want to know right all right is this player a good was

were they considered a good shooter not really it's not a defining part of their game did they ever crack 20 points for game let me check i think so okay alright this is interesting I'm trying to be yeah it's gotta be yes he did

he retired within the last 10 years he cracked 20 points of game so that means he had to look it up so that means he's kind of on the on edge on the fence with it has he ever made an all-star team he has okay easy question should have known that

shouldn't have wasted that shit Um, okay. Is he a big, man? He's not big. Oh, he's not a big, not known for a shooting. Okay. Is this player a point guard? He is a point guard.

He is a point guard. Even Stephen. Point guard, can't really shoot. Yeah. Did he say he was an all-star, Donovan? I feel like you're close. Huh? Did he say he was an all-star?

No, no, all-star. No, I said he is an all-star. He is an all-star. Oh, he is an all-star, and he cracked 20-old. points per game before correct yep and he retired within these last 10 years okay I feel you close I see the gears turning in your head yeah is this turn I'm not I'm not anywhere right now though never mind no I got I got you I got you all right um he I'm glad I know he didn't wear a shooting sleeve was he was he was he was he

Was he 6-2 and short or shorter? Yeah, I think so. Yes, he was. 6-2 or shorter. Okay, cool. And you're retiring. On the Westin. 2013 and up.

Y'all got to be so close. Who are we thinking about Donovan? Primarily dominating the Western Conference. Something is screaming his name right now. Okay, so look, so there's a player that I have in mind. Say it. The team he's best known. for is in the east but he spent a majority of his career in the west say it you got it is this isaiah

thomas this is not isaiah thomas damn that was a good guess though that was a good guess what question are we at uh 13 13 damn okay we can't burn i say he retired in the last 10 years i say thomas is a terrible guess why he retired in the last 10 years oh you mean new isaiah Thomas okay yeah no either ways no okay okay yeah he had like he had like 20 or something like that so we need someone who's on the edge on the borderline who's a point guard who retired in the last 10 years was an all-star there's multiple yeah there's a multiple and he dominated in the western not dominate but he was in the west if you think about like the the all-star guards since 2013 in in the west like who's the west been been dominated by though

like since 2013 that's like yeah like you had the Westbrook era I said he retired in last 10 years why would he be dominating since 2013 oh that is true that is true I'm helping you out like why would that be a frame of reference that is true okay ah damn why are we so stuck seven questions left yeah why are we so stuck okay I don't know were they were they drafted before 2004 yes before 2004 before 2004 is this uh baron davis this is not baron davis oh i don't know why is this tony parker dude no yes no what i'm capping this is 20 parker yeah okay there we go easy easy one damn let's go we got it finally got there This man really was a Charlotte hornet towards the end of his career.

Number one hate him. Embarrassing. Yeah. This man really fucked his teammate's wife. Embarrassing. Wow. Well, guys, that is the show. If you're still here, comment, Tony Parker is a bad guy.

Let me see the other comments. Tony Parker is a bad guy. Wow. This is a great episode. It is true. Do some Googles. All right. All right, y'all.

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