The Deep 3 Podcast - These NBA Teams Have The Most To Prove In 2024 | Ep. 71

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

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Can we take a second to realize how hilariously comfortable Donovan looks? This man as cozy as hell. Brother, we started two hours after we said we were going to start. I'm tired. Honestly, yeah. I'm supposed to be watching my face pretty soon. We had to come out here. For those who don't know, one thing about Donovan, he is the youngest old man in the world.

You give him the smallest amount of time to fall asleep, he will do it. I've seen him fall asleep by a concert. I've seen him fall asleep at an NBA game. this man is about his rest all you got to do you put your arms across head down i'm out for the audio i'm perfected at this point this man is sitting on the couch with his big old extra large tiger blanket looking cozy as ever you know what i'm saying great for the mexican slew of a flea market it's great oh 100% that's all of my favorite blankets that's how i grew up that's that's what we do very valid yeah man

episode as you got to see by the title today we're going to talk about some teams that have a lot to prove this year which can mean a variety of things it could be good or bad I kind of just wanted to use that title as an opportunity to talk about a few teams that have been in the news lately have been on our minds like I said for good and bad reasons it's going to be a deep dive into a handful of teams I think it should be fun yeah man listen new year a lot of teams have the same problem we're we're gonna talk about it I'm excited yeah man if an audio platforms do us a favor drop five stars on this on the platform leave this a review for on YouTube drop a like and subscribe help us get those numbers up

help this episode be seen by more people yeah man let's just jump straight into it crown eaters do your thing before we get started with the first team before we get started with the first team I do want to hear from the from the like you know the commenters a little bit for those of you have been watching the live streams what do you all think fan-wise because we've been kind of like you know experimenting with the difference

between the main pod episodes and the live stream I feel like we've been doing more news related stuff and reactions to big headlines in the live streams and less of that in the episodes I'm curious how people think about that balance so if you're watching right now and you are somebody who watches both let me know in the comments and if you don't watch both start watching

the live streams for me you can go watch in exactly lock in let's watch in let us know what you think for sure who's the first team let's just get right into it who are we talking about i think it's only right if we talk about the clippers first clippers okay it's a team we've all been ragging on for sure we're known as the clipper hater pod led by our chief and commander donovan smooth yeah i love how we all get gone that uh that label i've never really hated or like the clippers either way but i'm just like down for the cause i'm just ready to ride to hit them just because it's what we do y'all turn me into a monster man what can i

say I never had any vendetta against the Clippers. To be honest with you, I kind of like the Clippers back in like 2013, 2014, too. I'm being honest. You can feel indifferent, but I'm not going to go as far as to say we can like them. At best, we can be benevolence to this team. He said, calm down. Yeah, man. They are a team that had a lot to prove to start the year.

And in 2020, I'd say in 2023, they had a mountain to prove going to 2020. I guess they have to prove that this is who they really are and aren't going to be frauds in the playoffs like we've seen them do in the past years because they're good as hell right now like they're rolling they're a legit contender that has seemingly like as good of a chance to win the West as most teams yeah I think I think at this point they've they've already proven like 85% of what we thought they couldn't do they've already proven that wrong because the first six games where they came out and lost it was like oh wow like listen Hardin doesn't fit Tyler Lou doesn't know who to play together, the closing lineup is going to be weird. They've figured all of that out. They've gotten quality wins. Like you said, they've been rolling. They're rising very, very quickly up the Western Conference standings. At this point, it's not even about what the Clippers have to prove.

It's each individual member of the Clippers has to prove something for themselves. Like for Kauai, can you stay healthy for two and a half months in the playoff run? James Harding, can you not be, you know, Brick Ross in the playoffs. Russell Westbrook, can you not make the worst turnover at the worst time in the postseason? Paul George, can you also stay healthy or be kind of clutch in the playoffs? Like, it's not even like, can this team work together, but can everybody do their job? I think that's the most interesting part about watching them going forward.

Yeah, exactly. And like you said, right now they are doing that, right? They're currently the four seed, 23 and 13. they're outside those top three teams who are really vying for the one seed but after that like the upper echelon of the West they're right there they're as good as anybody they're currently eighth in offense

and 11th in defense and you keep in mind like that's with the slow start to when they got Hardin and lost six straight so the fact that they are already they are a top 10 offense despite that awful start that means they've been rolling

over the last 15 games are second in offense just oblitering people yeah and right now we're witnessing James Harden changed his game in ways that we haven't seen before necessarily and also expected to. Yeah.

He's done things within himself and he's, I would say he's still like the game manager or the system or whatever you want to call it. But he's been the most efficient player that he's ever been in his entire life. And he's also, along with that, elevated guys like Zubach's game. be him and the ascension that he's made and just making sure his presences felt a couple weeks ago we saw video or at least a report from a Clippers reporter saying that yeah we saw Hardin and Zubastain behind practice working on specific passes and angles and shit like that and those reps bro that's all that's all James Hardin and his work right there

Yeah, and you see it on court too Like that's something that Okay, we rewind a little bit When the trade happened We had mixed feelings about it I was a highest on it I think I actually watched before this episode Our grading video we did with Kenny

Because he was on the pod Like right when it happened I gave it a B plus Donovan gave it a B minus And Mo gave it a C plus So none of us thought was a bad move But there was a variety of feelings of optimism Obviously I was the highest

Because I'm gonna have that James Hardin By his deep in my veins No matter how much I've given up on him I'm always gonna be It's always gonna be a part of me You know, I'm always going to have that standum deep in there. Pause. I don't, I think.

Just keep going. Yeah, yeah. It made sense on paper. I think we all knew he'd make them better, at least immediately in the regular season. You know, for years, we've said the Clippers, similar to the Celtics before this year, our team with two elite wings that we kind of just were begging for them to get a point guard. They made that move last year to get Russ,

and we were like, oh, maybe they finally have a playmaker, right? And it worked a little bit. We saw the difference that Russ made right away. They added a top three passer in the league in James Hardin. And that's exactly what we said for years I needed, and they added, like, the most supercharged version of that. And I think everybody got blinded a little bit by the drama of James Hardin and by the potential downside, which is still very much a thing, right? We know what happens to him in the playoffs. We know what can happen to him team chemistry wise.

You can never really never get too excited about James Harder with the core because you never know how it's going to work out in the long run. But I think everybody like that potential negative kind of like distract them from potential positive that we're seeing now of like, holy shit, the best. window in the league added the best mix of scoring and passing in the league besides Luca and now they're just like unguarded. I agree. Exactly. And I let's not I'm going to say something a little bit out of character. But I think I actually believe in James Hardin in this playoff run. Oh my God. I'm not going to lie. I think I actually I think I believe in him because okay explain for the last three years since he's left Houston. James Hardin has been in this role where he has willingly been the distributor for his team, right?

When he went to Brooklyn, he was the point guard for him, Katie and Kyrie. When he goes to Philly, he's 100% willing to set up and bead. And now that he isn't asked to be the dominant score on that team. And he, and at least scoring wise, he's the third option. If he goes three for, three for nine in a game, that's okay, right? It's not, like, that's not going to kill the clippers in a playoff game or in the playoff series, right? Unless, unless Kauai and PG also have bad games.

But for, but for Hardin, he's in a role now where as his athleticism has declined, as he hasn't been able to get to the basket, to get, you know, the drive that he used to have. This is the perfect, like, old man, old man role, you know, I'm just at the park. I'm telling everybody where to go. He's in the perfect situation right now. He's a game manager. that's what it is. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I, I actually think there's Joe Flacco era. That's crazy. Wow. That's insane. Yeah, but I see he's so overqualified for that. He's going to be okay. He's going to be fine. That's crazy. He's averaging 17 points per game. And you said it's like old man era. That's what it feels like in terms of how he's being utilized. And to a degree, he's an old man version himself. He doesn't have that athleticism like you said. But he's not like completely washed. Like he's very overqualified for this. But he's still bought into that and is willingly playing.

this way in a way that diminishes his numbers diminishes what he clearly thought of himself for his whole career and it's just like awesome right that he can be deployed this way because obviously he's taking less shots per game by far his lowest points per game since his like rookie year since he was a sixth man

but it's also his most efficient year of his career he's shooting 43% from three and 59% at the rim he has a 65% true shooting percentage that is fucking nuts that's Nicole Yokes numbers and considering he in his peak was like the best high volume score of the modern era and is he's still more efficient this year

like granted some of that comes with you know you're taking less shots you're forcing less you're taking good shots now but it's just great that like not only can he still succeed in this role but he can like extremely excel in it because he's overqualified for it yeah it's absolutely beautiful what we're witnessing right now this is what happens when you take one of the greatest floor risers of all time one of the five best floor risers of all time or yeah floor risers of all time and put them into a system. Huh? Five best.

Okay, listen. I've been trying to be nice. I've been trying to be nice to the- James Harden. Five best floor-raiser's in league history? Yeah, for sure. James Hardin.

I mean, granted. I want to say three. Playoff is a different, we had to talk about that strangely with James Hardin. But definitely, I think. I don't know. Put him around a bunch of bums

and he's carrying me, Pete James Hardin's carrying me to the playoffs somehow still. And give him a center who can jump. Yeah, it's happening. Top five feels weird. Can you name five players that have ever been the best scored in the league, arguably,

and arguably the past in the league at the same time? All right. If you can get to five, he's part of that. Okay, obviously, Braun. Braun, Yokic, Hardin. Bron, Yokic. Luca. Luca now.

Yeah. Okay. Listen. Listen, we've only seen, we've only able to see like one true season of it. Russell Westbrook. sure he's also in conversation for top five floor raises of all time again that that's what makes him special so like yeah he's in that conversation too with the yeah yeah and i also want to say three because of the consistency that james hardin has said you just don't want me to show him too much love i get it i get it but yeah yeah it just felt it just felt like a very like old statement and i just like we just has to be a thought experience we have to talk about yeah and maybe it's not top five because like they're like you know the legends like kareem jordan all those like maybe like what what defines a floor razor is hard to quantify but

James Hardin whatever realm it is whether it's top five top ten whatever the upper echelon is he's in there prime Hardin yeah yeah absolutely and what to what Donovan alluded to what Donovan alluded to

him just having Kawhi and PG and having Zubox who's just like they call him Zoodzilla he has insane Zuzila yeah it's fucking ridiculous but seeing his ascension too there's so much less

pressure on him to consistently give you 25 and 10 or 30 and 10 like he was expected to and this is the perfect this is the perfect role for him and seeing initially um when this trade happened i was i was probably the lowest i think you said i gave them a c don't give him a b given b or whatever i was so low because of thinking about the amount of assets that they unloaded uh for this and kawai and pg didn't sign extension as of today ironically enough kawai signed that extension and you have to assume paul george is probably going to do the exact same thing and so this is the this is the most joyous time for clippers fans right now and they got to enjoy it because you never know how things are because it is the clippers and you know we have to give them their

flowers yeah yeah like again that you said they have to enjoy it now because like i said with this trio of players specifically those three guys in the combination of their effects on each other highest variance super high ceiling like we're seeing now a very low floor for various reasons so enjoy it while it's here

who knows if it's going to be this joyous come playoff time so now's the time to appreciate this team because it's clicking on all cylinders I love how you mentioned the Zubak thing he's been eating and like him and Hardin works so well together when Hardin's on the court the team is 5% better at the rim

than without him on the court. So, like, he's just, like, spoon-feeding buckets at the rim. And, like, Zubak has been the number one benefitter of that. Like, that pick and roll, like, it's not the best big-n role you seem with Hardin because, like, Prime Hardin and Claypella were, like, crazy. But, like, it doesn't feel that different than what we've seen in the past few years of the stage of Hardin's career. Like, this pick-and-roll partnership is, like, as good as we could hope for.

When it comes to specific players or point guards, lead guards, however you want to classify it or call it, spoon-feeding centers, You can you sit down and think about like Chris Paul DeAndre Jordan days or hell fuck it John Wallin Marching Gartott days type shit James Harder doing the exact same shit bro The exact same shit the Polish hammer of passer yeah the Polish hammer You're pretty that duo is like up there for the most assists from a combination of players in the 2010s They're really high up there it's crazy Okay so the top the point of this conversation is like teams have the most approved and

we're putting the clippers in there for obvious reasons right since they came together in 2019 the same time LeBron and AD came together going into 2020 season David talked about as being favorites to win a championship or pushing to that upper echelon of contenders hasn't come together yet now we're seeing them be

if not the best they've ever been the best projection we can make for them in the playoff series on a scale of 1 and 10 how much faith do you have that this will actually translate I want to 7 I almost at 7 or 8 To be honest with you, because there's literally no excuse, no real reason, and no pinpoint weakness where I would be like, nah, there's just a glaring hole because they got a flamethrower off of the bench.

Kauai is, he's been P. Kauai. Paul George has been playing some of the best basketball of his Clippers career so far this season, especially as late. He's been Uber efficient with all those catch, with all those catch and shoot opportunities that he has. I would say seven or eight to be honest with you. There's no reason why they shouldn't make the Western Conference finals at minimum. you say that there's a playoff start today water water

that's a lot of dup a lot of dip a lot of dip because that's what I was going to ask you next like where are we thinking about them in terms of the landscape of the West

because right now we have the Timberwolves Thunder and Nuggets all within half a game of each other for the one two and three seed they're probably going to be top three in the West standings

unless you know injuries come and one of those teams falls off for whatever reason Clippers are out four so the playoffs started today they'd be playing the Kings in the first round

and then after that see the seed that's a hard path yeah they're not beating Denver in a playoff series I still wouldn't pick them and I think even right now as well as they playing

if they beat the nuggets I would be shocked if they beat the if they ended up playing the nuggets but I mean if they played the Timberwolves I guess if that ends up being the path maybe right I can see it I'm very curious to see what that

defense looks like in in the postseason when you're able to put mcdaniels on on kawai right anthony edwards is starting to lock in you have gobert at the rim like that that intrigues me i don't know if they would beat them in a series i don't know either like that that'd be a tough series yeah yeah i don't know the clippers defense isn't elite like i said it's 11th for the season last 15 games it's 18th so yeah a good enough defense to get you forward if your offense is going to be like top five like they hope to be i i know like that's the inverse of what the timber was have they're the best defense or i think second best it keeps flopping and like a mediocre ass offense yeah you would you buy the size and defense of minnesota versus the individual

shot making of the clippers being able to attack individual defenders like they're going to really attack mike connelly they're going to get cat into space from all those forwards that that's good that's an interesting check i would i don't know which way i'm going yeah exactly i'm going on nb his and buy-in to what I've seen teams lock in and do in the playoffs on a consistent basis, which is exploit matchups and harness the defense when it really, really matters. And I'd probably lean the Clippers way. Now, that's easy to say, and maybe that's like a half-ass answer, but that's also the safest answer because we've seen the Clippers reach the Western Carvers finals before already.

and they've made they've made playoff quote-unquote runs already before so it's I that's just that's more so me and trusting the Minnesota Timberwolves and what they've what they will do in the playoffs it happens so are you saying the clippers the Timberwolves I couldn't tell the Clippers I'm leaning the Clippers okay yeah I think it's fair I mean I guess it comes down to how much do you believe in Carlin Towns on both sides of the court in a playoff series because this is going to be a hard series for him and listen last time we saw the Clippers face Rudy Gobert in the playoffs we know what happened with

Terrence Madden eight threes Clint Snyders are walking those doors so I don't think their coach is going to be like leave open every play so that won't be the same issue but you know Ty Lou is a genius coach he said it early in the season

give me 10 games and figured out and by game 10 that motherfucker figured it out so I have a lot of faith in him to be able to exploit a too big lineup and figure out how to really make them work that might be the deciding factor for me yeah I don't it's it's it's tough I it's gonna be I'm literally just waiting for you basically got a gun to Donovan's head right now you're picking do you trust the clippers

or Carithy Towns and Regal mayor just kill him I really I really can't find the words to figure out what I want to say but I yeah man I'm actually speechless I just don't know what I would do if this was the matcher I just don't think I would watch the games I'll box school watch whoever loses that series you're just going to take the time to be like I told you they were frauds yeah yeah yeah doesn't matter that's the glad you ignore the one you're wrong about and then harp on the one you're right about said listen man stuff happens you know I can't go 100% on predictions you know so Isaac on a scale of 1 to 10 how much do you believe in the clippers because you didn't give your answer

well I don't know probably about the same like uh I mean when you say believe in them what does that mean believe them to be this version of themselves in the playoffs or believe in them to win a title get to the conference finals uh

six I don't know that's not I mean I believe in them to be this version of them like nine or ten I think this is who they are and I think it'll translate to the playoffs but do I think they'll make the conference finals I don't think I'd predict it I like the three teams above them more

okay okay so I suffer yeah either I entirely believe in them or I don't believe them at all depending on what your question is okay that's fair actually never mind i just convinced myself they beat the timber wolves so let me not let me backtrack that i think they beat the timberwolves yeah the clippers are just they're hard the timbrels are hard to gauge and a few of the other teams just everyone except for the denver nuggets are just hard to gauge and evaluate when it comes to

legitimacy because of it's what have you done from you the last few years and they're just now getting to that contender stage so it's really hard to I'm glad you said that in terms of like teams that are hard to evaluate let's talk about another team now that's incredibly hard to evaluate and like I said

this episode is about teams have a lot to prove these motherfuckers have the most to prove the Phoenix Suns how are you all feeling about them right now because they are flopping in glorious fashion 19 and 18 currently the 9th seed

they do not look good right now with all three stars on the court well let me not say that in the games at all three stars on the court they had in another good individually together the lineups have been effective with those three but they're not leading to wins there's so much wrong with this

team but you can't get over the fact that together they've really only played technically speaking like five games fully um and in those five games they're two and three and so you could look like it doesn't the conversation starts with their health and after the health you look at okay schematically their defense is pretty fucking mid

then you look at it on paper oh shit their offense is fucking mid too you can't have that at all so it's like what are you going to be elite at you are 26th in three point attempts per game you can't fucking have that either so what are you going to be elite at where are you going to be good at what is your identity yeah yeah the identity was supposed to be this big three and that you just have this consistent stream of shopmaking and just bucket giving from Booker from Booker KD and Beal and Booker would be able to play point guard enough to get everybody else involved and for a majority of the time it works but like and the kill has this tweet pulled up and this is from a really good thread from R.B.R.B. 311 on Twitter he was going through basically the

son's fourth quarter wounds and the fact that they have. What is the worst fourth quarter net ratings? And they choke every game away that they play. And I think that is like the offense stalls out in the fourth quarter. That is a product of not having a deep bench, right? And not having, and necessarily like a natural facilitator on that team to get each one of their guys into the best spots rather than them having to create every single time down the floor. You know what I'm saying? And it's a chemistry thing too.

like I'm looking at the numbers so weirdly enough this does not feel how it feels when you watch when those three stars on the court together in lineups all three of them are there a 140 offensive rating a net plus 26 net rating by far the best in league for a three men lineup

granted isn't a huge sample size it's like 220 minutes so far but when they're playing together they're killing it until the fourth quarter like you said the lack of bench depth the start of the fourth quarter They're destroying all leads that they had

Just completely falling apart We got this underdog tweet pulled up Their net ratings per by quarter First quarter plus 23 Second quarter plus 79 Third quarter plus 54 All looks well so far The fourth quarter

They are minus 131 That is an incomprehensible Level of shitting yourself On the fourth quarter Who are they playing in the fourth quarter out there Me? What the fuck? And like like it's like I said It's because they're playing you out there

Bull Bulls been getting minutes lately it's bad but when the end of the fourth quarter comes and their starters are back out there they don't have the reps together to like know their go-to positionings on the court it really is just like streetball taking turns isoing

and that comes with time right they'll get over time we'll realize the actions they like to do to get each other involved off ball Bradley Beale will know where he likes to stand when to cut when Kevin Durant's doing picking rolls Devon Booker will know Bradley Beal's like habits to go to the corner or whatever

like they're going to get that with time they don't got a whole lot of time if they want to get out of the playing race I don't I don't think that they I listen they're not going to have a lot of time for two reasons one because the season is winding down and two because these guys are always hurt like they're just never they're not going to play

they're not going to play enough together like right now they they only played around 200 minutes together Bradley Beals missed 24 games Kevin Durant has missed seven games Devon Booker has missed nine and this is one of the reasons why I thought that the Suns wouldn't win a championship this year

because at least for for Durant and Beal, they've been injury riddled for the last three years, right? They haven't played, you know, over 65 games or, you know, close to 70 games. They've been hurt a lot. And so whenever you have that and that is your trio and you go all in on this trio, that's the tradeoff is you are very top heavy and you need those guys to be able to be on the floor together and perform. And that's not the case.

whenever you go to the bench, their bench is bottom five in bench scoring, and the bench is the worst three-point shooting bench in the league by percentage. So now whenever they double and kick, nobody's knocking down that open shot. They don't have anything. They, like, they don't have another punch if these guys aren't firing on all cylinders. They're fundamentally flawed, in my opinion. Yeah, and the problem is, what do they do about it? Like, the guys are going to play together.

Ideally, they stay healthy and they get better on the high end. you can't solve the bottom end of the roster like this team is maxed out after that Bradley Bill move like there might be a small one they can do shifting around their bottom bench guys for another team's bottom bench guys that fit better I think you might have the second round picks to throw

like but nothing is going to be like change your life unless you get a crazy buyout guy that is like more impactful than every other buyout guy in NBA history it's not it's not gonna it's not I don't I don't know I don't think that they are going to make a run like the clippers have which is crazy they're not going to they're not going to have a clippers

like turn around where they're going to shoot up to the top of of the conference they're going to be in the playing race right they're probably going to finish two to three games over 500 and they're probably going to limp into the playoffs and i think and whoever they play in the first round whether it be you know i guess if you're if if if you go into the play into the playing you're they're going to play the one of the two seed so right now if their first round matchup was Minnesota, Oklahoma City, or Denver, they're out in the first round. Like, this team

might not make it to the second round of the playoffs, and it wouldn't shock me. Yeah, especially if you think about the fact that Denver and the Nuggets are two teams with, like, a lot of force down low, a lot of size defensively and offensively, something that the Suns aren't super well equipped to deal with. I don't love their chances

in those matchups. This team is so cooked. Brethren, listen, they have Josh Akul. shooting 24% from the three point line. That's fine. Never been known as a shooter. Diop, 28% from a three point line.

Jordan Goodwin, 29% Nazir Little, 32. You know what I'm not be? You were supposed to be my man's. 32% from the three point line. Chamezi Metu, 29%. And to add a cherry on top of that, this is the lowest amount of three-pointers attempted by Kevin Durant since 2013, 2014. since Fultz is rocking the KD4s

and the KD3s and shut down. Isn't he shooting like a ridiculous like 46% from 3 still? I think it still is crazy. His efficiency is still is... It's 47.4%. It's nuts. It's nuts. It's Kevin to rant.

Yeah, only four and a half attempts for game though. It's not a lot. But yeah, the thing is all those names you just named none of it is like, oh, bad luck. Like he's profiled as a good shooter. Those are all just shit shooters and we knew that coming into the year. All those guys are at best average shooters.

Like you're praying for them to be average for a year. So it's not like it's like surprising or something that should fix itself with time like that's just who they are I just think that when it comes to how they set up this team and put it together. It's like okay This is very this is this is like this is not even crayon eater mentality. This is way worse than it. This is like Ball don't start mentality. It's like it's Plato Eden. Yeah. Plato even. Look if we get if we sign if we can pick up Katie and Bradley Biel and have him play a long side Bradley, have him play alongside Devin Booker. Let's sign a defensive coach and he'll figure everything out for us. This is turned into an absolute catastrophe. Nothing has worked at all. No, yeah. It's two K, it's two K basketball to its finest. We're like, I'm just going to,

I'm just going to get three guys who have high overalls. I'm going to spam them, right? And we're going to, we're going to win, win the game. Like, that's what it is. And whenever you have these guys, And again, like, we knew going into this that Bradley Beal has been hurt for a long time, right? We've known going into this, that Kevin Durant post-Aquillies is going to miss a minimum of 20 games a season. The reps are not going to be there. Like most said, they're cooked and it's done. And for a team that has now gone all in, doesn't have the draft pick until 2030. damn this franchise is in a terrible situation

I'm not willing to go as far as you guys are I'm not saying they're cooking they're done like there is still the makings of a good team in here and like you said the biggest problem so far is that they don't have continuity that's the biggest thing that can be a sign of like they can get better is like they can just stay healthy and get obviously you're hoping for good luck there

because like I said these guys get hurt a lot so yeah maybe it's wishful thinking because like history doesn't say it's going to happen but that's a possibility that'd make them a lot better, right? Like, if this team was healthy all year, they wouldn't be the nine seed. That's the biggest thing to, like, fall back on is that it's not just that they're shit

no matter what, their shit because they haven't been available. And that could always change. And we could see, like I said, when these three guys play together, their net rating is ridiculous. If they did that twice as much this year, they would have like four more wins. I witnessed, when the Clippers first traded for James Hardin and they lost six games in a row, I took a victory lap, I said they were cooked. I'm picking up my cooked flag.

I'm putting it in Phoenix, right? I'm moving it here because these guys are done. I'm moving. My flag's been in Golden State all year. I'm not moving that bitch. I'm out. I'm not saying that they're done necessarily, but they just have a fantastic recipe of disaster for a disaster.

And so the only way that they can turn this ship around is a, it's not moving anybody. I don't even know why I'm thinking like this, but it'll help sign Bismac Bionbo. Get you, Drew Eubanks out of there. relinquish his minutes he doesn't need to play anymore okay yeah that would actually they need to of course like you said i said it's a continuity stay healthy and the problems will work themselves out themselves out because you just have three high elite level offensive players and they should be

able to figure out in some way or at least figure out to a degree to where they're not like average on that end because there's no excuse for them to be average whatsoever with with them three existing alone finding a new backup center like Bianbo who's just like competent and then a backup point guard like find the new campaign that'll go a long way yeah exactly easier said than done though with the resources they have exactly anyways okay wait real quick real quick last question last question on the sons I guess and we could probably ask this for every team that we go that we talk about what is your playoff expectation for them in 24 can they win a playoff series can they win two playoff series and get to the conference finals yeah i think they always have that ceiling like

when you have a kd and booker and if they're going to be healthy you have the ceiling to for sure how confident are you in that not at all one to 10 one to 10 what's the number i don't know four like it's a possibility i won't okay i guess five because i won't be shocked if they win a playoff series like if you told me this series this season ends with them beating the thunder an inexperienced young team falls to the best duo in the league when healthy potentially i'm not going to be like but I'm not going to predict it either. So like I guess it's an equal five. Yeah, exactly.

I'm going to go ahead and lean towards like six. I'm not going to go five. I would go forward to be honest. That makes me a little bit more confident because I am so unsure of the health. What? In this, what? This man just said five, six, four. He said, I'm going to go six.

I won't go five. Yeah, I might go four. What the fuck? borderline potential fringe all-star that's the lineup yeah exactly I'm not fencing I'm picking one side I'm going on exactly I need to commit I need to commit and I think I might commit towards six

because if they're not the only reason why they fail is if they're not fucking healthy that's literally it they should be able to at least win a playoff series or two depends if they say in the play in rate it'll be tough. If they can get to the into the top six and like play a Sacramento, play a whoever else gets to the four or five see whatever like they can be in that range and get an easier first one matchup, then I think I have a higher up. I believe in them more. It's just if they have to beat like the three best teams in the West to get out of the West. I don't know if I think they have that much firepower. That's a tough scene for them, man. Oh my goodness. Kevin Durant, you hate to see it. This is his third or not third. This is the second failed assembly of a super team. I'm starting to think that this man is cursed after what he did to the league back in 2016

every single team that he steps on just burst into flames bro seeing him with the mess never seen it with the few sides if it was his desire to pursue Brad Beald and this is the bet he laid because at the moment we all thought that was a perplexing move

that we knew that the talent ceiling was there but like why is Bradley Beal the player you're adding to Devin Booker and Kevin Durant like that's a suspect fit at best yeah a lot of reports that he pushed for that because you know he's real ball don't stop mine so might be his ball

nice mine and each one you know that boy got some shit in him let me play with him yeah man let's move on let's go to the Eastern Conference I think this is a team that especially Donovan has been very opinionated on

I would say the team of the East has the most approved right now the Milwaukee Bucks they have been consistently really good it's been in the two seed but also consistently a little bit disappointed because everybody kind of expected them to be like one of the best duels of all time Janice and Dame run the world together and it's been a mix right like it's been very strange

especially last 10 games where they're 5 and 5 and dame has played some of the worst basketball he's played in years how are you a feeling about this team not great yeah I'm not I'm not feeling good about them I think we had or I had some concerns early on this year and like everything just seemed a little clunky And while some of that has picked up with Dame, obviously, like not in the last 10 games, but just throughout the season, he's kind of rounded into form. There's still a little bit of like, and it doesn't look right. And maybe we are a product of our expectations, but I do think that this team is not, I don't think this team is the second best team in the East, regardless of what the standing say. And that's how, that's how I feel right now.

it's not crazy to say the 7th pictures are really good so I understand that I feel like the biggest issue right now you said it's clunky it's just not working for Damien Lodd lately I know there's been I've seen a lot of speculation from Bucks fans that like

it's stuff outside of basketball and like his personal matters that we don't gotta go into that have been like an issue outside of the court and a lot of Bucks fans when noticed that he came in he's a lot heavier than he has been in previous years he looks fucking stocky right now

he kind of is on Kyle Lowry time so maybe that's part of it right maybe he's just been distracted or whatever that maybe that will get better or won't get better don't know what to say there but you know a few weeks ago he was in a press conference and he was talking about he's used to having the ball in his hands and he's used to he has to adjust to the way he's been playing now and a lot of that isn't backed up by stats at all like a lot of his usage is pretty similar to it hasn't been in previous years but he's clearly uncomfortable with the way the games are going I think my biggest issue with the Milwaukee Bucks. Naturally, when you just have one of the two of the, what, top 20 or 15,

depending on how you feel about peak Damila players in the NBA, you're going to step your way and just run into some wins. But they haven't been winning in ways that I would thought they would be winning at all. And I think that they haven't been maximized this entire time. This entire roster hasn't been maximized for what they are. And something that, I realized when I was watching Milwaukee Bucks film last year back when they had Drew Holiday was that I never really noticed the impact that Drew had on guys like Brooke Lopez when it comes to how he's, I don't want to say like he's bending the defense necessarily, but Drew Holliday would do certain things where he's kind of in a sense ping ponging his, his, his matchup towards Brooke Lopez's way and he will just funnel. block shots and that type of shit to him. And now that they now that that's gone, that's

affected their entire defense and their game plan because as we all know like as good as Beasley is, he's shooting like 47% from the corner and he's a fantastic shooter. That doesn't matter when it comes to wanting to win NBA championships

because you need to do it on both ends and the bucks have prided themselves on doing it on both ends. And now that you don't have that, nor the any person out to fulfill that role as of now as we know that hurts a lot and that makes Brooke Lopez's value look

not as Yeah when you have a When you have a drop big like Brooke Lopez Who's like you said His whole deal is waiting back And blocking shots and drop coverage and picking rolls You need to have a strong defensive guard To fight over screens and pressure those ball handlers

Or else they're going to walk into easy mid-range shots every play Because Brooke is no purposely standing far back Yeah and that's the big difference right now Because they're holding teams to about the same percentage of the rim than they always have been, they're currently 15th there. In previous years when they won the championship, they were 11th. But the reason that they have been such a great rim defense has been, teams can't get there. They've always been top three in a amount of shots allowed to get at the rim. It's just like impossible to get there when you have Brooke in

the back and Drew Holiday like fucking breathing down your neck. Right now they're 11th in volume allowed. So teams are just, you know, even if you're not going to shoot that great, 15th isn't the worst room percentage allowed. If you can get there super easily, then you're, you're it's going to be hard to have a good defense. Yeah, exactly. You just immediately raise the other team's odds like a motherfucker. And someone like Brooke Lopez, if you look at it, his blocks are up this season because he's seven foot whatever tall and he just has that natural instinct.

But you can't rely on him to consistently guard two players at once in pick and rolls because that's just simply not his game. That's just a, not only a schematic flaw, but also just a roster personnel issue that they're going to, that they're going to have to face and answer, hopefully by the trade deadline. And that's, that's just like the biggest thing for me. I still have huge question marks about AJ Griffin. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's some of that. And like, when the trade happened, all of us were like, hey, listen, do you still have a backline defense of Brooke Lopez and and Yadis? And in theory, like, that's not a, that's not a bad idea. Right. If you're just going to say,

hey, we're just going to, we're just going to lead on the on these two guys, these two deep a Y caliber defenders at the rim, that's fine. And I understand that. But we all understood the trade-off between Drew Holiday and Damien Lillard and what that happened. It's also no worthy that their backup point guard, Javon Carter, also left, right? So now they really, really have no. Right.

That's what I'm saying. They really, really have nobody at the point guard position, at the guard position who can help, you know, structure their defense this type of way. And Malik Beasley, he was talking. with Chris Haynes the other day and they were talking about, you know, their style of defense. And he was saying how, you know, they are, they are built to pressure high up and, you know, funnel people in the Brooks and this and that. And he was like, listen, if you can make, if you can make floaters, like, you can really get us. Like, that's, that's really the,

the way to get there is being able to operate in that short mid range. And so when I think about them, you know, playing in the playoffs against other teams, like right now, if Miami, were to play them and you have this like jimmy butler bam at a bio in a short role situation like bam could eat in a series like this you might be able to get you might be able to get a really big offensive stuff and so that's why i'm like there's it doesn't it doesn't look great the defense hasn't been able to to you know be passable and the only moment in the league in the season when they have been passable is when they had insane opponent three point field goal luck so they're probably not going to be a middling defense

by the time we get to the playoffs. I don't think what they do with the personnel is going to be able to be fixed, you know? Yeah. Well, I think we're definitely going to see a change of personnel to some extent. They're not going to go into the playoffs, starting Malik Beasley.

Jay Crowder's going to return soon. Maybe he's the guy that goes in a starting lineup. That's a change. There's just no way in hell they're going to keep Malik Beasley as a starting guard there. For the reason you said, like it's just not going to happen. Like they have to have another defender to put there.

Exactly. Whether it's a buyout guy, if they bring in and start immediately, something's going to give there. Yeah, exactly. And it makes it even worse because Chris Middleton is an absolute cook's product on that end, too. He's not a good defensively start the year. Yeah, on the right side, Bucks fans, like over the last 15 games, he stepped up shooting damn near 50, 49, he putting up like 18 points per game.

He is, he's great. And he's been the Chris Middleton that you needed on that end of the floor. But his values, like, more than just like being that steady, third offensive ball hands. and they're in force that you need at times. Like this switchability was definitely valuable. And now that you don't have that and that has waned away over time because of the injuries and ages and stuff like that, it just makes it even more of an emphasis on what you guys need to do in your future in order to reach closer to what your potential should be.

Yeah. They better hope boss man 99 fixes their problems because if he does it, if he doesn't, they might get caught in the first round. They really might. They really might. The thing is, though, they've been a bad defense all year, and most of the time they've been good until these last 10 games where they've been struggling. And I think the difference there is, like, for the year, I said they have the third

offense in the league. These last 10 games, I fell on 9th. So I guess if things are clicking offensively and Damien Lillard isn't shooting. Yeah. Yeah. If Damon Lord isn't shooting like a pumpkin, they're good enough to still win out with offense, right? Like, they can just be the hyper opposite of that and, like, outscore the shit out of

we've seen that plenty of times the problem is like they just don't have they have no margin for error a lot of championship teams that are defensive heavy you can have a poor shooting night and still eke out of victory this team does not have that option

we saw them play against the rockets a couple weeks ago and Yannis had like 48 points or something like that and they lost the rockets who are not a high-powered offense because Damien Lurred was like three for nine and that's been a recurring team last week

the whole team let's have somebody who was who was there in attendance the whole team the whole team was oh nice I listen Listen, listen, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, listen. First of all, I was, I was up top. I was not paying the prices for $1,000. I'm not going to lie. Listen, real quick, I'm going to put y'all on game, which I need to do. Get the bottom row of the top deck. That's where it's at. That's where it's at. You get top deck prices, lower bowl view. Listen, that's free game. But no, everybody, everybody was bad. Middleton was off. The, the problems that we are talking about with their defense in terms. of, or I think that Malik Beasley was talking about where if you can operate in the short role, Shangoon was killing them with the floaters, right? Him and Fred Van Blee were eating.

And so if you're able to have that. And like I said, if any one of your shooters is not shooting that night, hey, man, you're going to get caught. And so I think that they are liable to the, to an upset in the first round, more than any of the other top teams. I think he really comes down to what dame do we get because right now in this 10 games Dame is shooting 29% from 3 and 38% from the field Dame has been worse this year

but that's not like that's unsustainably bad he's gonna be better than that for whatever reason that he's having this cold stretch he's having it you gotta assume that's not gonna happen in the playoffs

maybe you know it always can right like people get cold in the playoffs it happens I have faith that dami low is gonna lock in and like he won't be the issue but like he's a swing factor and like he's getting older life's getting harder being this guy playing next to yonis like it's not apparently he's not fully

comfortable he's the swing guy like that's really what it comes down to is what are we going to get from him in the playoffs i know and with what the milwaukee bucks gave up they only gave that up for daming liller to be the top bona fide three point guard in the NBA that he we all know he is and should be at his absolute peak last year we just over the last two years we saw him have or three years you saw him have one of the best stretches of his career ever you know you've been peaked dmiller doing things that only him and step curry can do on a nightly basis and that's what the bucks a need out of him and if he's not a hundred percent that he just the malky bucks and the fans have their are going to have such a hard life enjoying this team yeah that's a good

point because last year you said he was the best he's in his career offensively and you can you can look through like every play type of what he does and you can see see like last year in pick and rolls he had 11.1 pick and roll possessions per game 1.13 points of possession that's 93rd percentile meaning he's top five in the league as a pick and roll ball handler this year it fell down to 1.01 which is 80th percentile so he fell in that regard from the one of the three best pick and roll guards in the league to like one of the 20 20 or 25 best still really good but it's hard to view yourself as having like you know we can't say like they had the best duo in the league by far as you would have projected them if he was still a

three picking roll ball handler yeah exactly and they exist you they should have the best do one in the league and no one's saying that or screwing that out or out and proud outright and proud so god man they're just it sucks because like the expectation has been high but yet they're still like the second seed yeah they're not fucked in my they're not doomed it's just a cold stretch and damn like it could flip around but like you said they're still on fraud watch for me very very very much so and another there's suspect let's say that another The other thing that I think we need to talk about is the fact that just like the Suns, their bench is not good, right?

Like, their bench is a bottom five scoring bench in the league. And so when you talk about being top heavy and being very rely on your top guys, which every good team is, right? Like you, yeah, exactly, right? Like, you pay for your stars to come in and give you, you know, 25, 30 night, whatever. But if you know for a fact, like, if you're not middling, that is, that is a problem, right? you want you guys to go out and do everything that you're that they have to do and then just hope that you can get by just get enough but if you are actively one of the worst in the league

in in bench shooting or in bent scoring and dame or chris middleton doesn't come along in the same way that you think like listen they're they're suspect yeah yeah again yeah you're 100 If you're a top heavy team, your top has to be firing all cylinders. We have questions about Chris Middleton's health. He's still ramping up. What can he become playoff time? Dame has given us question marks you never thought we'd have. Brooks not getting any younger.

Yonis is the only, I mean, never, let me not throw book on the bus too. Brooks been good. But Janice and Brooke are the only two stable forces on this team right now. And Bobby. Shout out Bobby. Sure. And Bobby. Who's probably going to be straight because he's the one way you can upgrade by

swapping him for a perimeter defender. Damn. I haven't let you, Bobby, be a shot to the heart. He is one of the heart and souls of this team, bro. Damn. They'll be all right. Tell that to Milwaukee Bucks teams, man. I don't understand.

Those are the main three teams I want to talk about. What are the teams do you guys want to talk about that I have a lot to prove to you the rest this year? Hmm. I think the team that we should at least mentor for two seconds probably. The Cavs. Is there anything necessary that you guys want to touch on before I hop into it? If you, listen, go ahead, go ahead and ISO.

Yeah, I mean, doesn't, Donald Mitchell's been hurt? Evan Moby's been hurt. Like, it's, I don't have much to say about them right now. We're just waiting for them to get healthy again. Yeah. Everybody's hurt. Are you going to trade Donovan Mitchell? Because I want to see it happen.

That's an offseason thing. In my opinion, I don't think that they make that move in, in season, unless somebody gives them a crazy package, but outside of that, they're probably wait into the summer to get that done. Yeah, that doesn't happen unless Donovan signals that he wants it to happen in the regular season. Like, he'd have to voice him pretty clear, like, I'm fucking out of here pretty soon, get what you can. And I don't see that happening.

It's not, we've talked about before. It doesn't seem like he's that type of guy. Yeah, I wouldn't. If I was a part of the cast for an office, I wouldn't necessarily even want those things to happen. But the devil on my shoulder is like, bro, the package that I get, that I could get for Donovan Mitchell and just throw this wash of a season in, it's enticing. In the back of my head, obviously, you don't do anything like that just yet, but it's just

the devil's advocate. But is there anything that you guys, any other teams that you want to touch on or what? No, okay. So I want to talk about this team, not like, what do they have to prove, but how good can they be? And that's the New York Knicks, because. Good point. We should talk about them.

Yeah. Listen, they've been fantastic with OG, right? They've, they've been awesome. And now that there's like, it's kind of different now because there's been some games played. But a couple days ago, there's a five-way tie for the four seed in the east, right? Everybody was at 21 and 15. With Tyrese's injury, with the calves going through, what they're going through, there's a potential, you know, way up to get to the four seed. And there's, there's only a game and a half back of the Sixers who, are in the three seed and beat us missing some games I think there's a way for the Knicks

to get up to the three seed in the Eastern Conference and especially because something interesting happened today where the NBA denied the Knicks request for like a specific injury

they basically wanted to like hey let us off the hook for Mitchell Robinson's injury yeah let us off the hook for Mitchell Robinson's injury like he's not going to be here and they denied it because they said that there's actually optimism

that Robinson can come back this year. The lineup of Brunton, DeVincenzo, O.G. Randall Robinson. That moves me. I'm not going to lie. That moves me. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Yeah, man, since they got O.G.

Anobie, their defense is transformed. They were a mediocre defense before that. I forget the exact numbers. I saw Alex Hoops tweeted out, but they've been a top 10 defense since they added OG. and he's been a massive difference, right? Like he's that level of defender and I know coming into the trade

people were talking like is his reputation what carries him defensively is he really not that good anymore? No, he's still locked down. He just didn't give a fuck about the Raptors because he knew who's getting traded for a month. But he's fit in perfectly and really transformed that team

and you know, you know that Tom Tibido is going to play him 48 minutes a night in the playoffs. He's going to anchor that defense which, listen, if Randall can finally translate to the playoffs

and play like regular season Randall, Brunson's going to be an all-star form. Like, that's a far more interesting team if they're going to have a top 10 defense. Yeah, exactly, man. It's picture perfect over there with him for someone like, for someone like O'Gianubi to relieve a hell of a lot of pressure and just he knows his spot. He's a smart offensive player. Can do a whole lot of cutting and spot-ups because he's a great shooter.

And having someone that you can rely on. on a night to night basis to do just as good of a job guarding a team's top dog compared to anyone else in the league. That's a huge stress reliever. That's a huge stress reliever. And I think because of the shoulder that he is to lean on for RJ and Jalen Brunson, this team could sneak their way in to any circumference finals in my mind. I am so glad you said that because I was thinking about the same thing today.

I was thinking about the path to the Eastern Conference finals and allow me to be a Nix apologist, right? Obviously, I'm very, very fickle when it comes to Julius Randall in his play, but I will defend him in this, right? He's had two bad playoff playoffs, playoff friends. The 2020 series against the Hawks where there's literally nobody else on the team who could even look at the basket and you guys double and triple team Julius. So I understand playing bad and shooting bad there. There's that. Last year, he goes into

the playoffs with the ankle injury. And he's kind of like, you can see that he just wasn't 100% there. If he is healthy going into the playoffs this year, I think we're going to get a decent Julius Randall and decent enough to where Brunson's not going to have to score 35 a night for them to be competent offensively i i think that they have a very very realistic chance and if they play the milwaukee bugs i might mess around and pick the nicks in a series oh my god i might i might do it there's an in there's an in right again i might do it because i'm a nix fan and i might get delusional in in three months but even on the outside looking in i don't think it would be crazy to think that it could happen it won't be crazy but listen if there's anything i

I'm not going to personally get my hopes up for Julius Randall to translate into the playoffs. I hope you're right. And that's fair. I hope you're right because he's very, very good and he doesn't deserve the rap he has. But it's hard to not do that when you listen, every year's the same story happens

and his game just does not translate. Yeah. I would love for you to be right and then to make a run because it would just be interesting to have another team in the mix. But I just don't know. Like their shot making has to be on point.

They have to be really half in three. they're going to be a high high volume two point team Brunson has to be still shooting over 40% from throughout the dribble and like really bend that defense and really force a Brooke Lopez to come up high it could happen but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go that far and pick it if that was to happen they need to do

a little bit of more tweaking and they have again the resources to do some tweaking exactly because they have picks left and all that and all these types of assets and I think something that they need to immediately improve on everyone still thinks i believe that they still need that guy that one a type dudo whatever however you feel about that conversation um but i think in the short term something that could help them keep these i want to say upset hopes alive when it comes to

heading into the playoffs uh they need to reassure their bench they need a point they need some type of guard like head like desperately and so until that happens i still feel good about them regards to the fact, but if that happens, then I feel so much better about the Knicks. This team is a, this seems a cute contender. Like, they're a contender for a conference finals, but like, the Celtics will blow their backs out. What a way to disrespect them.

He said this team is cute. And they're going to get their backs blown out. They're really good. And they can make a run. They can make a run in the same way that like, the king can make a run, but we know when it comes down to against the best teams. They just don't have the same high level talent. Don't, and it's so reductive to be like they don't have the star.

but to a certain extent at the highest level to win a championship that shit's true so it's like great good for them they can make a cup as finals

they can sneak into the three seed can they be an actual contender win the championship no they need another guy for that I think yeah I'm trying so hard to be rational right now

you guys he doesn't disrespect you guys because you guys are pissed me off because 100% listen like the whole Jaylan Brunson

isn't like a 1A type of guy if we go throughout the entire history of the league there's like two guys at the guard position who are undersized that lead their teams to championship whatever becky hammond said was 100% true and people took it to their feelings only because right she's a woman that's the only reason people will try to flame her for for what she's saying but at the same

time if you say another thing about jaylon bronson i will i will be upset all right keeping the name man he's all right keep your name out your mouth jane i didn't say that's a funny part i just like alluded to it and you were like up up guns and radar's going off exactly because you knew who you were talking about you knew what you did I know it's not really about him I don't even think I'm not being that reductive about it like they just need more firepower

whether it be a 1A guy or more around the edges like if they got I don't I can't I'm struggling to think of a good example but I'll say Zach Levine for lack of a better example not saying I want them to get him but like if it's another guy that's like debatably worse than Brunswick on the same level like that could be good enough it just has to be

something else they'll make up for that talent gap yeah we're gonna do we're gonna shock the world it's just gonna happen I don't know if it's gonna be in the first round or in the finals but we're gonna shock somebody okay I think Joelle and B's walking through those doors and he's fucking crushing

heartenstein sternum mind you I only believe this if Robinson can come back if he does not we're cooked it's okay but let Mitch walk through those doors or which it's on for the rest of the league give me the MVP Give me the sixers

Alright Pass me up on that man Whatever That's crazy Yeah man In terms of other teams I've a lot to prove Obviously the 76ers right

That's always gonna be a thing To talk about a great Great tweet pulled Nikiel Great tweet that you pulled up Nikiel pulled up a tweet Saying that the Knicks are beating The 76ers by 30 points With Joelle and beat in the lineup

And Julius Randall only made one field goal You know who that's about That's all Jalen Brunson That's all Congratulations The January 5th championship game Against the Philadelphia 76 My bad

Put that up in the banners Ladies and gentlemen I thought we respected The regular season on this pod Right I thought we enjoyed the ride Of October through April I thought these games meant something

My bad My bad I'm just struggling But obviously the 76ers are also A team that has a lot to prove Every year right Like as long as you have Joel Embed

And he hasn't made a finals yet Your team's gonna have a lot to prove yeah we'll see because there's a lot of moments i'm like i'm finally believing in him i'm willing to say he's a top three player in the league he's on that level he's getting better he's a serious coach a serious co-star hopefully this needs to be the year to make a run so by definition they are one of the teams of the most approve as well it absolutely needs to be the year that a run needs to be made bro because you have a fresh coach a young fresh two guard lead guard who's now ascended into one of the better point guards in the NBA.

And now, if I'm Philly and in that front office, Darryor Mory, I honestly want to pull the trigger more than ever to get some type of star or third guy alongside Joanne Bede and Tyrese maxi. But that conversation is tricky. Why? Because there's no perfect guy out there necessarily. And that's why in the back of my mind, I'm like, fuck it, reunites the Yakum and Nick Nurse again.

bro. Ew. Seyakum and B together? I don't think it would be that bad. It's possible. It's just a strange fit. I think that fit is, I think it's the best fit for someone like Tyrese Maxi out of all the pool of names that is potentially available.

That'll benefit someone like Tyrese Maxi's game the most. I'm good on that. I'd rather than wait to free agency check as somebody else. I'm good on that. I love the only reason why I wouldn't want to wait those because you're on a schedule and time is taking to own beat isn't getting any healthy he's 30 years old and uh we might very well see him get rob himself out of his own MVP because he's missing too many damn games and so yeah that's how i want to pull the trigger right now yeah i just don't like to fit at all but i know what you mean

like this this is the wind of opportunity to make a serious run with a serious team something needs to happen whatever may be i guess they're 100% going to make a trade like they have a lot of ammo i can see it being a smaller trade and then holding the rest of your assets for the offseason like there's going to This is going to be a very active trade deadline, even with, like, good starters that aren't necessarily stars. I can see them to make that type of move for another two or three. Torber Terros here. Welcome to the Philadelphia 76ers.

That'd be a hard. Defensively, him and Max, it would be a nightmare, but that'd be fun. Scary Terry's bag is different. Top five highlight rule in NBA. Oh, my God. Other team has approved themselves in a very different sense, because we're not talking about a contender anymore. The New Orleans Pelicans, man They are just still the team

We've always said they've been They still can't defend the rim They still have a lot of ISO scores Not a lot of passers Weird amount of shooting weird amount of spacing Zion's only averaging 21.8 points per game Which feels crazy to say When he's completely healthy

They have to prove that they shouldn't be blown up I think Now it's hard Because they haven't been complete ass at all They've been actually DeCCC yeah Exactly there's 60 and as of the last like what 14 games they they actually have a very positive record they have a very

positive record and um but with that being said i think we can all see that there's there might not be a way for them to ascend like we want them to be ascended yeah and this this is good but can to be great i don't know and this is where they have to be careful because this is how you get trapped in mid right you get you have a little bit of potential and it's like hey but if one thing can break our way, maybe we can, you know, jump from the 60 to the 4 seed. Maybe we can jump from the 60 to the 3 seed. And you just have to have honest conversations about what's going on, right? Obviously, wait, this is not true. This is fake. Damn. They beat the Warriors. Is that tonight? Yeah. Yeah, that was tonight. Yeah, that's tonight. They beat the, as we're saying this,

don't let this game fool you, New Orleans. Oh my God. You are 141 to 105? I don't care if you beat the Warriors by 36. I'm letting you know right now. Your team is fundamentally flawed and you need to make a change and you need to show us why you should not be blown up. Are you going to win a playoff series? I don't know. And I honestly don't think that I, actually, I know. I'm not picking it. They're not going to win a playoff series. Bro, is Steph Curry wash, bro? I'm looking at this. Granted, we didn't get to watch this game. We're recording. Steph Curry, another game, 15.6 assist, four for 13 from the field. This poor play is really stacking the fuck up for Steph Curry. I'm not going to overreact because he's Steph Curry but he is not having a hot stretch recently

Should we transition from the pelicans into the Warriors because this is this is really they have nothing the words have nothing to prove They just have decisions to make do they want to yeah that that's really it like they've already proved it They already this is a cooked product and they're fucked beyond belief we there's they've proved it already It's done the story's written it's been written since Bob Myers left this team is fundamentally fucked and there's no I way out of it. The question is what are they want to do about it? Are they going to finally blow it up and move on to the next era or are they going to stick around?

Elite reference, elite reference. I got it from the one line. That's great. Nobody believes you and they shouldn't. Like you guys fucking suck. The Warriors got to strip R.J. Barrett. We're looking at this tweet and the

Kiel pulled up and it's like a list of things that have gone the Warriors against the Warriors over the last recent stretch and the last bullet point is they got destroyed by R.J. Barrett. Oh my God. That's how you know. That's so shameful. That's a, that's so shameful. That's a RJ Barrett straight too. Yeah, I mean, he's back

home. Yeah. Shout out of RJ. Canada. Canada cure for his all his ailments. So that's interesting is that Dream Long Green is coming back within these next few games. Currently, he's ramping up to be in game shape or whatever. And, uh,

so why are you laughing? Cracks numbers. Because it's just, I'm thinking about all the, all the Dremont memes of him, like, locked up, just being, you know, ready for this moment. It's just funny. The fact that he was like, oh, I was going to retire. Like, come off, fam. Yeah. In the middle of the thing, you guys didn't watch the last stream.

If you didn't watch the last stream, go to it. We talked about this Dremont news at length. And again, there's going to be a lot of news stories that you don't see us talking on the pod. Head over to the stream. And that's where you'll see us talk about it. Every Monday. Exactly. Exactly.

We talked about John Moran. being Tom Moran being injured for the entirety of the season Chris Paul's hand injury and all that we talked about Jonathan Kamenka coming out and just being an absolute op with shams we talked about all that so you got to tune in Monday 8 p.m. John the Kamenka m. Yeah

fuck that I'm on his size. You curse the ops. That's also true. You're not lying. You're not lying. But interesting stats Draymont, Steph Curry so far this season without Draymond Green is averaging 24 points per game and he's only shooting woohoo 30% from the three point line that's not bad at all that's actually great but for step curry standards exactly that's not good for step curry for the 43% career average it's

trash yeah exactly that's fucking trash but with the draymond green surprise surprise it just speaks to draymond green's value is averaging pretty much 30 every night and he's shooting 41% from three It's a night and day difference. I don't want to say a different player whatsoever because Curry is Curry to do what he does. But it's a hell of a lot easier when you have someone directing your traffic. And also giving you the passes and the spots that you like to get, that you like to receive him. So it's not necessarily that he needs Raymond is that without Draymond, there's nothing.

Like it's him in a whole lot of zero creation. So it's just like it's incredibly hard, especially, you know, he's not getting older. I mean, he's not getting younger. It's just hard for him to do anything without, at least. at least one other guy there who can create. Yeah, exactly. This tweet's hilarious. And now they're even more in hell, bro,

because the Warriors roster, as a whole, looking at it up and down. Without Chris Paul, there's no real penetration or creators. It wasn't with Chris Paul either. On this team, bro. But Chris Paul gave him the slightest glimpse

and hopes of it, bro. But now without it, it's like, now you're really fucked. And now you need Draymond more than ever. And without Dr. Paul, we've talked about them so much. They're just fundamentally fucked to the roots. Like,

there's nothing they can do about it. I know There's a lot of discourse lately About is the 2022 championship A fluke I think Beasel said that on stream Which he was he was saying it in jest He was just you know

roasting them I No it's not a fluke But it was like The best case scenario right Everything were right that year And like Teams were injured

They didn't play the stiffest competition They were completely healthy Steph was still killing it Dremont didn't get suspended Like We don't need to view it as a fluke but we need to view it as like, it wasn't like,

we shouldn't have thought to go back to back. Dremond, wasn't Dremond suspended for one of, for game two of the, of the, of the Grizzly series? Wasn't? Because he got ejected.

He got ejected from game one. I can't remember if he got suspended for game two. I don't know. I don't remember. Warriors are asses. That's all we know. I'm, I'm figuring that out.

Who is the shit? Okay, yeah, he guys had spent it for game three of the playoff series. No, this is last year. It's the Sacramento Kings. Uh, this is when he did the curb stomp to Subonis his chest. Of course. Oh, my God, bro. Of course.

How could we forget? How can we forget? B.M. Oh, man. Everything had to go well for them to make that title run. And I think the moral of the story, isn't that it's a fluke? It's that Steph Curry did one of the biggest carry drives we've ever fucking seen to a championship. Like, that might be a dark level ring.

I'm not going to lie. No, it's one of the most impressive rings. I don't want to say of all the time, but it's one of the, it's the, it's for his ring resume. It's absolutely the most meaningful one and the most important one because of all the things that he had to go through defeating or getting past James Wiseman, James Wiseman, him sucking ass, Jordan Pool. Getting past James Wiseman. Yeah. And it was just all bad. It was all against him, bro. So it's not a fool. It's whatever for sure. Yeah, man. Think about modern carry jobs to a title. Like obviously 2011 Dirk. I guess 2019 Kauai was a hard care. but he got hurt so like the final series was a little more even spread yokech really carried last year it might be step curry yokic and dirk is like the three biggest carry jobs in the modern era that's crazy man okay that is crazy yeah i can give with that um i can give with that yeah guys mo specifically this is for you

i believe it's your time i think my time hold on it's not my time it's you watching this right now crown eaters we know we know you wanted it and we're here to give it to you we're here to give it to you let's rejoice it's TikTok time so we're here to give it to you it's TikTok time woo as always we're going to begin with the draft you know over the years we've done stuff like youngest players in the league draft best players in the league draft worst players in the league draft but today we're going to mix it up we're going to draft the oldest line as possible straight gearyatrics straight geysers

yeah so the rule is they have to be 35 years old or older and a current player that's it retirement home lineup here we come is what we're about let's get it man draft order is Mo Donovan

me I wasted my number one pick last week it's tragic but there's three stars here so I guess it's not a big deal I actually think this one works best for you though to double up yep so let's draft the oldest NBA

line as possible. Everyone's got to be 35 years or older. Mo, where are we going with the first pick? First pick overall. Go ahead and give me

the oldest player in the NBA LeBron. Easy. Okay. 39. God damn, bro.

That's fine. Give me my glorious light skin king Steph Curry. I want to say I'm surprised you to that,

but I can never be you're in love with the man. Valley pick. Why are we making this weird? Why are we doing this? I really was supposed to be like that. Pick Bride, pick you man's.

Braun went first. I can't pick Broad. Oh, I forgot about that. Dang, never mind. We know who you want to pick. First pick, give me Brooke Lopez. Okay, that's a great pick. I know where he's going.

Exactly. It's only because he's doubling up here. That's second pick. Give me Kevin Durant. You can't fool me. Lame. Can't fool me. Oh, man.

my goodness listen i'm loving the fact that i'm third game brooke lopez is amazing it's not bad at all the center the center market after brook is tragic yeah it's scarce as hell that's that's true listen at my five give me out horford oh my god bro damn it mo is cooks you better be happy i can never get out horford on my team jebel magee that's it that's your guy that's your guy missed. I'm sick to my stomach now. So at my point guard, go ahead and give me Mike Conley. That's a good pick. I'm very underrated old man right now. Yeah. I'm super cooked right now, man. My Connolly's still chugging along doing Mike Connolly things at 35 years old. It's great. Yeah. And then, you know what? Someone else who's defying age, just give me Jeff Green. Give me Unk.

No. No, you took place with him and Ron. You're good for like, two random posters every two weeks that are going to be glorious. Oh, God, man. I can rely on whom. My small ball five? Oh, I like that. Give it to me. Okay, okay.

Oh, wow. Excuse me. All right. Anyways. So, I know. At my four, I need a little, my team is getting a little light skin, getting a little soft. I need some punch.

Give me James Johnson at my four. Damn. You got to be a foreser. Okay. He's a little icekin That's hilarious You know what At my four

Give me Mr. 4th quarter himself Nicholas Batum Ew He ain't doing shit Your Trevor Nick Batum is still a great role player He still defends I love him Yeah he still defends

But he's not going to play in the fourth Sad Perfect player to finish to KD Yeah true And then oh I got back to backfix Okay. Oh, okay. After that, give me, oh, we have tabled up.

After that, give me the best shooting guard available, Eric Gordon. Nice. I hate the second position in this draft so much because I wanted to get straight spacing. This is terrible. I really have to figure this out. All right. Am I two? Listen, we are going to go with the geriatric version of the Splash Brothers.

Give me another shooter. give me Danny Green He's not even on a team right now Yeah he's a free agent He's on the verge of retirement me He's on podcasting bro You drafts to a podcaster It's okay

You draft to a member of the national media He can shoot He can shoot He can shoot It's okay Not really man But okay It's not okay at all

Oh man That's funny All right So At my two Give me Speak of podcasting. Give me Patrick Beverly.

Yeah. This is a great thing. A small ass back court. Yeah, small back court. And then at my five, I need some size. Give me DeAndre Jordan. Hey, once in a while, he'll turn that clock back. You're getting cooked.

Yeah, right. Yeah, right. I'm throwing a lot over your head. I'm throwing a lot over your head. It's unguarded. At my three, listen, give me the man from down under. Give me Joe Ingalls.

Love it. Oh, that's nice. If we're talking vibes, your team is looking great. On the court, I don't know, but...

Listen, everybody... A1 personalities. Nobody can honor your team except for stuff. I'm not worried about making the best basketball lineup. Everybody just needs to have fun,

right? Once you get to a certain age, he just want to go out, have fun, not get hurt. That's what this team is about. Right? This is a Saturday morning

in the park lineup, all right? That's what this is Listen, I got a lot of shooters Not a lot of Give me Russell Westbrook At my point guard Oh wow

Katie and Russell The same team again You're in hell buddy This is nice Bring him back Yeah We're gonna give him spacing He's gonna just

Halfback dive every play We're getting something out of him This is the Phoenix Suns With a good center Like that's what it is That's funny as hell Yeah It's better than your YMCA team

I ain't gonna lie For one purpose I told you we're trying to have fun My team is good Ew I don't know It's 2024 I'm getting off to a great start

Because I won this draft I got Mike Conley Patrick Beppery Ron Jeff Green and DeAndre Jordan You did not win the draft Don't try to speak into existence You did for sure Nah

Ash are you kidding me Nah Jeff Green Jeff Green is actually good He's fine He's cool Listen, you see his new haircut? All right, then.

He don't have that blazing ball spot anymore. My bad. Got fooled in. For audio listeners, I got Russell Westbrook, Eric Gordon, Kevin Durant, Nicholas Batum, and Brooke Lopez. All right. And I have Steph Curry, Danny Green, Joe Ingalls, James Johnson, Al Horford. You have a free agent.

Yeah. You have a free agent with a Mohawk. Listen, man, I couldn't double up like you guys. I lost a lot of my picks. Oh, don't pretend you don't know how Snake Drafts were. Don't try to get that advantage of comments. I'm trying to gas on this. I'm not saying I don't know how they work.

I'm saying I had the disadvantage in this one. No, you did it. There's always a way to win, man. I did. Nobody has a disadvantage. Mm-mm. Nah. I lost Jeff Green.

I lost Eric Gordon. Tough. Should have picked him the time before. And giving up Steph, you see my dilemma, right? You see where I'm. I'm at. Ew. All right, man.

That's the draft. Next up, what are we going to do? What do we want to go to? Let's do another guest NBA player. Usually we do this by hair or by the college they went to, stuff like that. We had a fun one this time. Something I saw a full squad gaming do with gamers.

It's guest NBA player by their eyes. This is my bag. You're in deepening to some pupils. Decide if you can listen to tell who this guy is, just based on the vibe. Eyes. Don't ask me none about NBA history. Don't ask me about no champions championship spelling names. How they look. I know how men look all day, every day. Why? I don't know, but it's my back. Let's do it. We're locked in.

Don't ask me about history. They're not asking me doing the analysis. Ask me about the male attractiveness. And I got it. Exactly, bro. All right. So real simple. I'm just going to raise some NBA players eyes. You guess who this player is first off i'm gonna look this who is this man this man droopy face kind of he's been for some years he's yeah he's seen some stuff he's seen some yeah this feels like i saw i see the yellow permeating just a little bit this feels like this could be kyle lowrary but at the same time what why you making that noise come on now it's not kyle lorry is it james Johnson?

Let's be respectful of the guesses. You know what I'm saying? I feel like this is a bigger player. A bigger player. Yeah. Damn. This is actually hard as hell. This is a hard game.

This is a, I like this game. I give up. I give up. This is Bradley Beale. I would have never guessed that. What the hell? This is one of the harder ones, I think.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely. I would have never guessed that. Yeah, that's tough. All right. Next one. Who is this man? Oh,

I know him. Come on now. He's one of the biggest disappointments in NBA history. Chris Paul for sure. Yeah. I know those hazel eyes anywhere. Yeah. But next up, he's been through it.

Who is this man? Oh, I know who this is. For some reason, this looks like Paul Millsap. I don't know where around. It's not Paul Millsap. Yeah. P. Millie. I know those eyes.

You're wrong, not Popo's app. This looks like a lockdown defender, someone who plays on the Western Conference. This is Herb Jones. This is Herbert Jones. Crowneaters, this is for you. Let's do it. And Mo is killing this. I'm for the people.

He knows men. He knows men. I don't know why I do, but it's like the back of his hand. Yeah. Give me baby pictures. Give me silhouettes. Give me whatever it is. I know it, bro.

He said, eat the W. Hey, you know. Next up, who is this man? Oh, man. I know who this is, and it makes me sad. Why?

They did him dirty. Why? Because he got hit in the eye during this picture or before this picture. You're still recovering. This looks like one of the top five men in the NBA in whatever way you want to categorize that. This is Shay Gilgis Alexander. My glorious king!

Top five men is crazy. Yeah, Mo is rolling. He's rolling. I am that guy. Never mind. This is a dirt-level run of knowing men. Like, we just haven't seen this. Yeah, don't ask me no statistics, no NBA history.

I fuck that. Wow. Shout out to you. All right. Next up. Who is this man? A white man. I want a motherfucking woman.

This white dude has been through it From team to team to team Looked like he had high expectations His eyes are not On the same level This looks like Christops Porzingis God damn this is Christos Morsengis Oh my God

In my bag This motherfucker does not miss In the heat of battle He doesn't miss Next up Who is this man This man Do you know this one throw you in for a loop you go ahead I think I got this is this mr.

world B flat himself Kyrie Irving correct finally Donovan got one this is Kyrie Irving he looks so old in this picture too god damn how old is Kyrie it's the wisdom ages you you are you know not getting any younger that's yeah when you know so much it's just only going to show exactly physically too damn so when your brain's that big when you understand the world is such a high level Sometimes it ages you. Pain. When you solve physics,

like sometimes it's a big brain activity. Next up. Who is this man? I know who this is, too. I think I know who this is. You go first, Mo. He looks like a big player for sure. He looks outlandish in this photo right here.

I know he added that bad. But this honestly looks like Mo Bamba. That's what I was going to get to. He looks crazy as fuck He looks like he's He looks like He looks outrageous You have to stop yourself

Cut, cut, cut, cut Yeah, outrageous bro Next up Who is this man? What type of 480P picture is this? I don't know who this is You don't know who this is And you made it

It's a sicker with a microwave, bro I can't guess this I got it Oh, man. This looks like curious Mike, Michael Porter, Jr., one of the best NBA podcast out right now. Correct, Michael Porter, Jr. Oh, it's unstoppable. How are these so easy?

I'm in my 2013 braw shit, man. What can I say? Ha, ha, ha. I got one more. Who is this man? What? Oh, I know. I know like these I don't know why what is wrong with me now I'm starting to question myself

why am I so good at this this player would be cheese and hella don't even do you want to take take a take a stab at this is this Russell Westbrook good god no that's a terrible guess yeah this player is like a motherfucker yeah rush be cheesy but not like this look at his cheekbones I think this is one of the greatest Twitch streamers right now. Scotty Barnes should be an all-star. This is Scottie Barnes. Why am I in my bag? Oh my God.

I don't like this. Now I'm uncomfortable with myself. Maybe I should quit my day job and just go into some else figuring out criminals because this is my bag. I can identify people. Mo went eight for nine. The only one he didn't know was Bradley Bill. That's a crazy sweep. Wow.

I don't know why I'm good at this. God's trying to tell me something right now. Natural talent. All right, man, the next thing we're going to do, let's do our tier list. Let's get that over with. This time we're going to do a longer one as tier list of centers.

You know, we're going to position by position. It's time to get to the big men. People have been requesting it. People have been excited for it. Let's do it. That's fun. I love it. Let's roll.

Let's roll. So, real simple and playing. I got 12 of them here for you guys. Let's put these NBA centers into a tier list. First off, Nicole Yolkich and Juelan Bede. Easy S-tier, right? S-tier. S-tier.

I'm not talking about this any further. If you want to put them in A-tier, you don't know ball. They go in S-D-D-A. There you go. We know, we've got to get the top guys out of the way right away. After that, Victor Wimonyama. Put this man in A-tier, man. He had a triple, he had a triple double tonight in 20 minutes, beat the Pistons.

The only thing wrong with him is that his team sucks. This guy is amazing. The only thing wrong with him is his team. He might already be a top five shot blocker and a top five passing center. That's crazy. Guys, he's a tier. He's fantastic. And not a lot of people talk about the passing as much as they should.

God damn it. You're right. A tier. He literally is. I love it. Yeah, all right. His running mate, or his co-rooky of the year running mate, Chet Holmgren.

Is he? Also a tier? Also a tier. Because the defense is absolutely out of this world, can stretch the floor out. He's not as gifted and skilled as a passer, but that's not a weakness whatsoever. I might be sure. He's anchoring a top 10 defense as a rookie. He might be an all-star as a rookie.

We haven't seen that shit as Blake Griffin. This man has to be ATER already. There's no reason to wait. It's 100% eight-tier. Listen, there's a lot of good big man in the league. This is an eight-tier guy, though. 100%. Next up.

Al Perrin Sangoon. we got to go He's a great B He's a great B He's not as good as these guys He's made a leap this year Just he's just not Not that guy yet

Not on that level Yeah The guys above him Are like generational defenders Singoon's an awesome offensive hub Never gonna be like that on defense Yeah But hey

He's probably gonna be And also this year Or at least he should be In the conversation for that And that's always great too Yeah yeah He's very deserving of B last year

I don't know if we would have said that Yeah, I agree Next up Bam out of bio Got to put him in 8 tier Gotta put him in 8 tier Always a DPOI candidate He's gone better and better

Offensively as his career has gone on Legit 20 point score Easily 8 tier I think Yeah, I agree It feels weird Putting him next to two absolute rookies And Bam has been grinding for the shit For years but

Finally got a jump sawed in And boom, it don't even fucking matter bro He's still in the same tier With these rookies I'm looking at them. Bam's the top of the age here. We can give that to him. Exactly.

But listen, everybody runs their own path, right? Bam had to do it his own way. Took him some years. Exactly. But he says, he got the shit out the mud. Some people were just blessed with being 7-4. It is what it is.

Yeah. And having that shooting touch and ability and agility. God damn, you're right. Next up, Carl Anthony Towns. We got to go beat here, right? He's, he's, we've, he's transformed. into like a very, very skilled, or I guess he's always been skilled,

but he's perfect for what Minnesota needs right now, but I would not put him on the same level as Bam, Wembe, Chet, the other two-way guys. Yeah, I think, listen, his team's winning and he's been part of it. Shout out to him. He's probably a third best player in his own team. Great player doing what he needs to do. Beat here.

Wow, man. Folks are going to drag you for that, Isaac, and they shouldn't. I agree with you. And what about his teammate? Rudy Gobert. That's what? Also in B tier. B tier as well.

You have no moves, right? No moves offensively. You're great defensively. I'm locking you up, right? You're getting locked up. You're locking him up? I'm, not me. Not me.

I bet. Come on. Let's be rude. Anybody else on this list? Locking him up. B tier. I know, he's running away with the D.P.O.I. Does his defense?

defensive impact not like nudge him up a not them not them a S and A tier two ways two ways you got to do it okay yeah listen Chet's also going to be all defensive caliber but 18 points per game legit spacer can pass the ball I see the vision yeah you can legitimately run a play through these guys with Rudy O'Bear what plays are you running for him just a lot and that's it Timberwell fans are going to be so mad they put these guys in B tier I know it hurts it hurts I kind of want to put Rudy in A just because Me too. I think he would be a.

I'm not going to lie. I think his impact defensively is worthy. Oh my God. Here we go again. Go ahead. Go ahead. Y'all do it. But if that's the case, this cat deserve a tier.

No, he's not on those guys. And this is why it's a slippery slope. This is why we put him in B tier to start, right? Because I knew that you guys were going to get outlandish with it. Nikiel, can you drop him back down to beat so that the world can be right again. No, you got unrued off. I'm going to be fighting. Can you drop him back down?

Please. You need some type of order. Come on. Next up, Christopps Porzingis. Two way, put him in a tier. He's hooping. Come on. He's not better than Cat.

I don't, this season he hasn't been as great. None of us ranking. We did a rankings. All of us had Cat Top 30. Nobody had Christop's top 30. When was that, though? It was two weeks ago. When was that, though?

Two weeks ago? No. Now, Pozingis, get up there. I love Prisaginus my ass to be. Yeah, Prisigius is a comfortable bee. He has comfortable B. Kat's better than him. Come on.

I don't know. I don't know. No, I'm being 100% dead here. I think that's an actual conversation. Then why didn't you rank KP's off 30? What'd you mean? Because hate, you know this. Isaac, why did you ask this question?

You already know where he's going at. There's no real explanation behind it. It's Carl Anthony Towns. Now, me personally, I think Cat is generally a better player. And now I'm kind of thinking to myself, damn, should this boy be a tier? But let's suppose for Pershingus at B. I think he hasn't been, he hasn't been, you can't run consistent offense through Prozingis.

What you could actually, it just, the stealing of your team isn't as high. No, Porzingis is not a creator at this point of his career. Throughout the injuries, he's lost a lot of the, juice like with the ball in his hands that he had as a young guy in New York he's a pick and pop big that's really great at that but he's not creating offense for anybody he's a B tier now the determining factor is his defense and how valuable that is that's a real conversation but in my opinion yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't put him in a tier because he's not transforming or being the force or guarding ones and twos like how

some of these other guys are so B has he's a really really good defender he's not like upper echelon he's not yeah he's not transformed forming defenses or saving people's lives. Yeah. Next up, Brooke Lopez. He should be C. See.

I love that pause before that. See. For what? I guess he. Why would we not putting him in A? Why would he be A? Brooke Lopez was legitimately DPOY caliber last season. Last season.

He's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, a, he's a, a, he's a, a, he's a, a, he's a, He's been, he's been good this year as well. He's a legitimate Florespacer gives you stuff offensively. Why is he not, why is he not in A? Why the fuck would he be in A? I don't know. He's, that's a jump.

He averages 12 points this season. The Bucks, this DPOI dude, the Bucks are 21st in defense so far this year. The DPOI thing is out the window completely as a now. He doesn't have the offensive skill of those guys. Do you think that he has gotten worse on defense? Do I think that he's gone a worse on? defense? No, not necessarily, but I think he was a tad bit overrated because of the system that he was in and how complimentary it was and made him look so much more valuable. Nothing he actually

is, but he's still a very valuable player. So you call him Lopez a fraud? He's not a fraud. These guys do more for me. So I think he's offensively, he's fine this year, but he's not quite the level of shooter he was last year. He's his fiscal percentage is down, is two point percentages down. Last somebody checked. He's getting older, right? Like, I mean, C tier's fine. He's Brick Lopez. Yeah, that's not bad at all. I'm not calling him a bum. I would love to have him on my team, but I'm a Hawks fan, so I guess that don't mean shit. Another guy of Kat's B-tier, you can't rank him above Kat.

That is disgusting. You want to rank him above Kat? Donovan, you got a tap in, man. You got problems, bro. I can either confirm nor deny. That's gross. You're nasty. different but very very you can if you want to argue B I'd live with that A like be fucking for real

yeah A is gross De Montesabonis A tricky one It's tricky for you Me personally I put him in B because he is A consistent hub on offense And he's made a way to affect winning basketball on a consistent basis

Now how much winning could you do We don't have that conversation right now So I think with that Evian said he should be B. Sangoon is B and DeMonte Sabonis is the same type of player but like better offensively in almost every way. So why would he not, why would he be in the same tier of Sangoon? Exactly.

Just put him in B. He's a, he's a very solid center, does his job, right? Upper echelon of the league. I think B's very fair. But Sangoon's in B. Yeah, Sanguon's in B. Saboos is better than the same level. Same type of player.

His numbers are better all around the board. So people can be better than other players, but they can still be in the same tier. all right you think you want to wait you want to put him in a or put sangoon down to see not now you're hanging on sangoon I can't appreciate that I'm right I think be solid last one at least Anthony Davis you could be a R S depending on he's not what you're feeling and I want to if you put him in the same tier as shed home grin and victim him in yama i'm gonna fucking scream hey man you got the guts

be serious go ahead and scream be fucking serious he's having the best season of his life bro not life but guys listen s tier has to be reserved for the cream of the crop he's a top 10 player in the league he's the cream of the crop we're talking about top five-ish top eightish MVP level

The expectations for AD is crazy as hell. Oh my goodness. When it comes to centers, Yokic and Embed have won MVP's of the league. And we're talking about putting Anthony Davis in the same tier as them. He's not there.

He hasn't won the NBA. Oh, he's only averaged 27 points for game and a championship victory. Oh my God. Oh, my God. Oh, no. What a bum. We're not saying he's...

Go ahead. Is this a trophy tier list? Did I miss the memo? That this is just a resume tier list? First of all, he's not the offensive creator that either one of them are right so that so that's one two yeah he's only the best defensive player in the league sir he he is not he is not right both of those guys if you talk about yokech yokes doesn't have to be the best defensive player in the year or of the in the league

because obviously he's generational offensively and b is legitimately great both ways Anthony Davis is not that And whenever you put him as He's not great on offense Is he No one said he's as good as he Joel is averaging 35 points per game this year I'm not debating he's better than Joelle

I'm saying he's not in that he's not on that love you I didn't think I didn't think that it would be crazy to think that the number two option and also great defensively isn't as great as the number one option MVP of the league 35 points per game and a guy that you call top five offensive players ever That's that's crazy you can be in the same tier that's crazy be worse. Yes, that's crazy We are comparing him to centers like Yokic Joel and Bede and then in B tier Victor Rambayama Rudy gober and bam he is levels ahead of Victor Bamb Rudy work him closer to holistically he's worse than those two guys I'm not saying he's in their level they're

They're clearly the best of the S tier Boom boom right right literally right there you saying he's not on their level We're doing freaking tears and you just said he's not on their love That's what we're doing what we're doing what we're doing is what we're putting people You said they could be different but in the same We're putting people in levels and you just said he's not on their level why will we put him in s tier why are we doing that said in the past 10 minutes you didn't why you can be better can be better than somebody of being the same tier did you not i said that and i don't think that

he's in the same tier that's not that's not that's not that's the same tier is with the women yama he's he's at the top of that tier yeah yeah that's what's about it's what's about these guys winning MVP's being number one options anthony davis can't score 30 points back to back in a yeah what a lazy first thing i'm talking point oh my god he goes up against yoke he goes up against yoke's even a, not even a defender. That's not, that's not a barred and clamping them up to 12 in the conference finals, bro. Like, come on. It's just, it's very clear.

Yokic, Yokic has shown everybody that there's levels to this. And listen, because of NB's massive regular season success, that's why he's also in here and he's been able to survive playoff success. Anthony Davis is not in the same tier as those. But listen, can I say something? You said, Yolkich has shown every. that there's levels of this. And Bede has shown everyone that there's levels of this

when it comes to the regular season. Anthony Davis has done a combination of both of those things. He's shown that there's a level to this defensively throughout any season, any time of the year, and he's translated before in the playoffs multiple times. He's done that consistently. So that's why he's above all else and he deserves to be in this group of players alone.

You're the deciding back to Mo. You're the swing. You're the tiebreaker. Where are we going? Yes. it's for sure yes you're a bastard you're a bastard you're actually ridiculous there's two rookies and eight here hey you can't be the same oh my my bad i'm sorry i'm sorry you and for a guy and for a guy who's always like oh i'm ready to give people their credit so early i'm sorry i'm sorry

that those two guys are already fantastic enough that we can give them their credit and put them in a and for mo please stop siding with isa every single tear list my guy come over to my side Like, please, one time. One time. No, I agree with you, but off the bat, you clearly don't. You clearly don't agree with you. Because you're wrong. That's it.

You make you be like 11. You didn't have chat. Your top 30 to put them in the same tier is hysterical. It's just, it's just not. I think it's just a personal vendetta against AD and the idea of what everyone wants him to be versus not wanting to see and putting the blinders on. Y'all sat up here and told me to my face. And this is why. bro after after the camera stopped rolling right y'all y'all actually have have me heated on here

after the camera stopped rolling and both of you guys were like oh my god you're you're hated on and beat and beat is top three he's top four and what did i more as soon as the cameras ahead what did i look at you and tell and tell you i look straight in your eyes i told you you don't believe that you don't believe that at all and now i'm telling you the same thing you're talking about two guys who are top three in the world and then now we want to put everybody else you don't you didn't believe it thin with Embed you don't believe it now

with AD I'm so sick of this bro you understand the difference that there can be a variety of tiers within tears you understand that every other time but as soon as we get to S tier you're like nope it can only be MVP's like he just made that up one and three

in the world is not like the cream of the crop the top air of whatever like if that's what you guys are looking at and beat at we should hold anthie davis to that type of standard and it's not there no there's a far bigger okay bro what's the what's the next ticot what's a much smaller gap between 11 and like 35 what's the next ticot bro what's the next you just can't put a d and a tier whatsoever that's just what's the what's the what's the what's the disgusting is an overstatement Nikkiah what's the next tic talk please

He's best. Y'all didn't believe that. Y'all didn't believe that, man. It's just a simple. Y'all did not believe that. Three is closer to 11 than 11 to 30. It's that simple. I don't want to hear no and B.

The mass is praise for the next four months. Y'all just be yapping when it comes to him, bro. What does he be got to do with anything? I'm so heated right now. I'm so heated right now. Like, my heart rate is actually going up, bro. Oh, because of A.D. I'm for real upset, bro.

I can't fucking breathe. This is hysterical. Oh, man. The math is simply mathing, bro. This is the best argument in TD3 history. Oh, my gosh. I respect it, though. You ten toes.

There's not a lot of people like that, Donovan. You're a 101. I can't control myself. all right the next thing we're going to do when do we go from here

the next thing we're going to talk about some young players and talk about whether we think they're going to be stars, role players or bust

by the time their career comes to a conclusion so it'll be like first second and third year players you guys got to predict what their careers

and outcome is going to be star role player or bust first off Scoot Henderson he's still going to be a star like listen people have bad rookie years all the time i i'm still moved by his preseason you know offseason pre-draft all any highlight tape that you can pull up of school

henderson i am moved by he still has star potential 100% we've seen so many players have super trash rookie seasons especially point guards on one of the hardest positions to learn he's going to be a star maybe not a high level star maybe not MVP star but he could be a all-star caliber player for sure. Exactly. Maybe we have to recalibrate and not think he's going to be like one of the best point guards alive, but All-Star is very much within Grasp, though. I'm going Star. Exactly. W. Next up, Brandon Miller. I think I'm sure a Firestar for sure. He has met expectations, maybe even exceeded him to,

maybe even exceeded him a little bit too. Everyone thought he was going to be ass. Yeah, there's no world where I'm going to say he's going to be a bust. That's out the window. At minimum, he's going to be a high-level role player. But I think he can make a Starleap too I think we see the handle from someone that size We see the shooting ability already He can grow to that frame And become a really good rim finisher eventually

I think he's gonna be an all-star Yeah I think I think all-star is best case Yeah I think all-star is best-case scenario I'm very curious to see how he plays like long term Whenever Lamello comes back But he was Eden and he's been eating all year long So I still have a lot of faith in him though Yeah and you can project him fitting alongside Lamello

perfectly and having them actually compliment each other easy star exactly the opportunity is there all right let's get negative jalen green i think right now when i look at jalen green i see the next fashion nova model i see the next lulu lemon model for the men's apparel uh but star in the nba nah buddy he said you look at him and you see skims that's crazy no not skims or like that's reserved for the best of the best and Jim Green ain't even at that conversation. Yeah. Star is out of the question. Right now he's looking like bust.

I have faith that he'll become something better than that and he can at least be a good role player. But I don't know how you could possibly think he's still going to be a star. Yeah. Listen, start starts out the window. Can he be an athletic Jordan Clarkson? Maybe. Yeah.

That's what you got to do. You got to tap into your psyche. Can he be a star in his role like Jordan Clarkson? For sure he could do that, bro. But at some point, he has to become a good. It's not going to happen. unless his two-point shot comes around at least a little bit. And so far we haven't seen it for any stretch for his career, really.

Yeah, you're hating it's sad, bro. He's on bus watch, I'm not going to lie. He was over here arguing. He was over here creating fake beef between him and Cade back when they got drafted, bro. Who should have been number one? Late. Yeah, the Cade cleared that conversation months ago. It shouldn't be me.

Next of, Jaime Hakez. Oh, never mind. That's not Hymey Hakez. That is not Hymey Hakez. He got dark as fuck. Damn one, that's you? Damn. Next up, Amen, Thompson.

He still has star written all over him. Yeah, 100%. The way he moves. And just the fact that his brother is good, I still have faith in him. He's fantastic. He hasn't been able to show it because the team's winning. He's not playing big minutes. He got hurt to start the year.

It's fine. Year two, year three, you're going to start to see a bloom. The athleticism is going to be ridiculous. The passing, ridiculous. Defense, ridiculous. This guy's going to be a top. 30 player in the league. The second that he can get that shot together, he's going to be pushing top 20 in the

league once he gets the opportunity. Listen, you might get a little fuck around top 15. There's no ceiling I'm not going to be okay with. If he put that shit on and appears on league fits, might be top 10 for me. MVP's within reach. Next up, Jaime Hakez. Just off of that nickniquet. name alone he's going to be an all-star buddy sorry one wick lose me yes i love one wick he's

going to be in the all-star game if he can win that mexican athlete hall of fame i'll probably still go role player though i don't know if he has a high tier to be like an all-star but he's gonna be a good player for a long time yeah he came he came into the league he's already for a prospect he's already kind of old he might be you know a little bit closer to a ceiling but listen down in miami they have him working so he might he might have the workload that turns him into a star. Yeah, maybe. In the playoffs, he's for sure going to be a star. He's going to kill some teams, hopes, and dreams. So put him in the all-star category. He'll be more to start than Tyler Hero. Damn. I think he'll be like the most love role player in the league for like a decade.

I think he's going to be off the charts, but probably still a role player. Yeah, I agree. He used to be a fan favorite forever. And next up, Keegan Murray. He's only going to be a great role. player. This is the most guy. Yeah. No, not my guy, but he's definitely not my guy, but he is going to be a great role player, someone that a lot of teams are going to be feigning for. I don't know. I think he's teetering. I think he could go either way. If he becomes an all-star, I won't be shocked. If it never materializes and he's just like a great three and D with guy with chops. If it never materializes and he's just a great defender who can do some self-creation with the ball in his hands and be a role player, I wouldn't be shocked. Yeah. Yeah.

I just don't see the offensive production enough for him to be a star. Could be, though. It's hard when you're playing next to a bonus and Darren Fox who take all the usage. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. And it's also hard when your coach is just telling you, take as many threes as possible. You are getting pigeonholed into a role quickly. That's true.

And that's what he should do is a young player. But can he exceed that as he gets older? I think so. I think not. Division amongst us. Last up Cam Thompson I'm Cam Thomas

This picture is not bad Not bad at all man Why is this picture Just off this picture alone He's gonna be a role player He's averaging 20 points for game right now He was averaging like 26 27 At the start of the season

He's gonna be a fine six man one day That's not yet That insanity run to start the season Has concluded He got hurt, came back He wasn't able to rekindle that magic He's been falling out of the rotation more and more He's back to 20 minutes a game

It's just hard when you don't contribute anything passing-wise Not much defensively You're just strictly a bucket It's tough in this modern NBA Listen that's fine You talked about about Hyman Hawkes being the leagues You know most people's favorite role player That's going to be Cam Thomas in a couple years

When he goes to whatever team is next And he just keeps dropping 20 With no assist No rebounds, no steals Just straight buckets People are going to love him By the time he's like 35 and out of the league he's going to be possibly the greatest

Euro League player or a player in China easily. He's going to be eating 40 every night. Yeah. Facts. He's going to be in that he's going to be in that upper echelon, bro. Shout out my James. That's great. My James.

All right. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to talk about some jerseys. You know, it's a T3 staple. It's something we haven't done in like a month or so. And this time, we're going to grade some old school jerseys. straight throwbacks. Lit. Grading jerseys the bag.

So real simple, I'm going to show you some classic NBA jerseys. You grade them. I'll need a letter grade. Okay. Letter grade? Okay. There we go. First up, we got the Nets blue jerseys.

I normally don't like grading it. These are hard, though. These are, these are fire. These are, these are an A plus. I love these jerseys. Ooh. Okay. I wanted this to be,

yeah, I agree. This had the potential to be so bad. But the red on the Nets and also that that design with that design that the fun of the Nets

logo actually looks fucking fantastic. I don't know why I was doing so hard, but it looks sweet. No, you're right. They were definitely flirting with fire using this gradient. It could have been real shit, but the red and white contrast

works so perfectly. It's got to be Nade. Yeah, I'm going to give it Hey. All right. Next up. The Supersonics.

Why are you doing my man, Patrick? You ain't like this, man. They have better players for this franchise. He looks washed, man. It's terrible. He's washed. These jerseys are not. These jerseys are beautiful.

These are like also an A plus. Staples in the frat community. Listen, they go, they span generations. These are A plus. I've seen hell of white boys wearing this and they're, and they're, their hoodies underneath it. This is a, I'll give it a B. Yeah.

Wait, a B? Wow, I'll go A because anytime, bro, this is, this is a great jersey. The basketball swoops it around the sea. I fucking love this shit, bro. That was good. I'm just leaving some separation between this and the best jerseys of all time. This is one of the best to me. All right, fair enough.

I'm not for to argue with you. I like it too. The colors scheme is real good. I love some good warm colors. It's Christmasy. Okay. All right, next up. The Cleveland Cavaliers, black and blue, whatever the fuck this is.

It's cool. It's not terrible. It's not bad. It's all right, I guess. Yeah. It's average. If I was like a B plus? Yeah.

B is solid. B plus is generous. No, what's up? Yeah, at best. Nah. Really? No, you're actually tripping on that. These are good jerseys.

You know what? In vision wearing these jerseys? these jerseys Sonic the hedgehog he would rock the fuck out of this but other than that I can't imagine anyone else really walk in this jersey outside of their outside of like NBA players if you're wearing this and you're not in the league

or you never you weren't even part of that time questions will be asked this looks like the jerseys you make in 2K and you make your own pro-am team and you just make it off of like the 2K assets this looks like fake I mean listen I don't know about you I'm making fire jerseys in 2K

so that's why I like this this is good I won't put that yeah This is my style. I've made this jersey. Okay. I didn't know you were Virgil. My bad.

Okay. It's been a day plus. Fuck it. R.P. Salute to you. All right. Next up. The Utah Jazz.

It's the Jazz. Supreme Mountains. I'm not going to lie. This is not bad. And I really want to say this is trash, but it's not. This is like a solid scene. You're dying to hate on it. I'm dying to hate, but I can't find a way to do it.

Because the. logo is solid the big 12 on there is placed perfectly this this is a solid C I'll say I'll say C is what the logo saves it outside outside of that like the colors are are the colors are fine but something about it just doesn't click a little bit too much colors like the three colored stripes on the collar and the shorts is a bit much I think you could do to lose one of those but then that it's fine I think C's fair I don't like the color of the actual jerseys though that bitch is either purple or nays and it's ass either way.

Navy purple. Yeah, it's ass. Nice placed. All right, cool. See, see, it's cool. Next up, we got the Philadelphia 76ers. Very rare jersey you don't see very often. I've never seen this jersey before.

Yeah, they were like a two years. Really? This is an underrated Sixers jersey, but at the same time, this looks like something that you would find thrown away at the thrift store. So, yeah, it's unique, but it's unique, but it's, it's also kind of shit. It's cool, but also kind of giving Dick sporting goods

like those fake jerseys where they have like the pink ones for Breast Cancer Awareness Month. Facts. Damn. Yeah, this is a C at best, probably a D though. Oh, really?

A D? It kind of just looks like somebody had like an array of stickers. I'm just placing them all over the place. There's just so much going on. Yeah, man. That font just reminds me of a car commercial. This is,

yeah. Well, y'all can go to hell. This is an A to me, man. This is creativity. It looks like the branding on like a drink where they just have all kinds of shit all over it on the logo. That's how it adds. Gross. Yeah, let's go D.

Start. Go to hell. This is a stars and stripes like the off brand Coke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is like the, the great drink. You see a dollar store?

Oh, God. The dollar general. I get it out of here, D tier. Dr. Fis Dr. Fis We don't rock with sleeve jerseys F F FFF. F F F F F F F F this is terrible I don't want to see sleeves on a basketball jersey

Except for like two all time This is not one of those cases And the shorts make it worse Why are the shorts pinstripes? What the fuck are they cooking? This looks like a prisoner's league To be honest with you This is bored as hell

Draw lines in between that bitch put a crate, a milk crate on the door hens and they are just straight hooping. If you're wearing it is, they gave them the shorts from 1998 and then the top from 2010 they have mixed and match because they don't have the money to give JV their own jerseys. This is horrible.

It's all. F, we all agree on F? This is an easy F. I don't know who was cooking in this shit. Perfect. Not freshman B team vibes. Hell no. They stole them shorts from my goddamn Pacers. This is an F. All right, next up.

the Atlanta Hawks This is nothing too crazy This is very bland I not ass I would just say it's like mid It doesn't jump out to you at all This is very boring Man 2010's aesthetics are some of the worst

Jerseys you've ever seen in sports And this is the pinnacle with that It's so boring so angular Trying to be modern looking It's aging worse than each other It's not ass It's not bad It's not bad

It's not good it's just mid It's just bland 2010's bullshit So this is a solid C could have done way better with this. Our little was too great at this time for this to be just the jersey, bro. Man, it's just boring. I think it's lazy. I'm going D personally. I hate the whole

hair of Jersey. It's aging terribly. Yeah, this looks like an organized sports league for a 10-year-olds jersey, bro. That's not a lot of endorsement. That doesn't sound good. It's not bad, though. I'll rock the fuck out of this. I did indeed rock the fuck out of this. That's my truth. That's why to see. You got me.

All right, next up. The New Jersey Nets. This is an S tier. Oh, this is a plus plus. This is one of the best throwback jerse of all time. The way the stars and the stripe go together now is aging perfectly. The aura in this photo is outrageous too, by the way. No, man.

He got it on. He got it on. He got that shit on. Yeah. This is great. And Afro. Yeah. With the short shorts, this is fucking aura.

Yeah. This is fucking. clean yeah I'll rock this shit with pride bro this is I buy this shit in 2k every year for my my player I ain't 2k I buy this in real life what do you mean there's levels in this every year give me this jersey this is a plus this man for you my bad yeah man's buying $300 jerseys all right some of us don't live the same all right I see that I know 300 is crazy I'm taking myself straight to Thames bro teammate

man going straight to team man it's china on the phone yeah I'm going to d-esgate immediately for this after the spot easy a plus

yeah and next up the showtime era lakers jersey this is one of the best jerseys of all time one of the most classic jerse

we've ever seen a plus fantastic yeah the bright gold with the drop shadow on the numbers it's perfect

It looks like a C to me Oh, go fuck yourself Okay, never mind I'll just stay in my corner This is a I'm fucking away This is a A This is a solid A bro Can't get more classic than this right here

Facts, do you think about the history of the NBA This is the jersey you imagine Yeah Peak magic Alright next up The Sacramento Kings 2010 to Jersey Before anyone says anything this was actually a great jersey one of the best for that time period too yes for that time period

i agree with you though this is a good jersey it's not it's not it's not one of the best i'm not going to give it an a but this is a b jersey sure plus i would have seen but i can respect b i don't think it's anything great but sign of the times it's angular it's too modern looks kind of now but for that for that period time it was good I feel like if I were that jersey with the combination of the shorts if I hit my chest really hard I'm gonna transform into a power ranger bro

and no one can stop me I'm unstoppable those stripes that black over design morphine time ugly ass yeah I'll go see yeah really I'll go be their hate all right that's the last one I think those are some pretty interesting jerseys.

I don't know how you could think this is a great jersey, but it's all right. We both said that it was just good. It's just all the jersey. This is one of the best jerseys. Yeah, this is a great jersey. All our trip is quality, bro. That's crazy. Listen, I do love purple, but this is actually good.

I was about to say I don't, but I'm like, you're lying. You did. You can have to be allegations. All right. We got two more videos for you get out of here. Next one, listen, the topic of the first half of the show was about teams that have a lot to prove we're going to talk about players that have a lot to prove now because listen a lot of guys are on fraud watch come playoff time and we have very different conversations than we have in the

regular season so right now we're going to talk about guys that projecting forward which one has more to prove in this coming postseason or really just the rest this year crown leaders are yelling feed me more feed me more relax they want the hot takes now they're going to get them exactly let's do it real simple which NBA player has more to prove this year first off Zion Williamson or Tray Young? I think it has to be Zion. I think Tray Young, he is who he is. We know what his strengths are. We know what his weaknesses are. Zion, people are still talking about him straight off of potential. Let us know what you're about, Zion. Are you for real about this or not? Yeah, exactly. The biggest talking point with Zion right now is his weight because he has to prove

that he's serious and cares about his craft. And that's not an allegation that Trayong has to face. Yeah, I think expectations Alone already leans towards Zion's way He's supposed to be one of the 10 to 15 best players in the NBA And he's not So that's already like going against him Yeah, he has to lock in simple playing He probably has the most expect he probably has the most approved

Of almost any playing the league right now Easley bro All right, next up Luca Donchich or Joelle Embed Joel Embed I think Joel and Bean might have the most

approved in the league to be honest to say that yeah we say this man flop too consistent like Joel and beat

right now yeah exactly no we've seen a flop on a consistent basis he's on his third era of

his team right now if he doesn't win it this year when I say win it get passed by the second round it's over he is

very close dangerous exactly he's very dangerous to close to getting big hardened allegations for the rest of his career facts exactly he's going to be looked at as the this generation's team act oh jesus a better version of course but he has that top of label on him and luc is a stamp everyone's going to love luc in matter

what he does he's just not going to get him on him on my eyes facts you seen him laugh before makes me smile we're having very different interpretations of what i'm talking about right Whoa. Next up. Jaumaran or Shea Gildes-Alexander. It's probably... It's probably Ja. Just because he came back for nine games after all the incidents happened.

He's out for the year. We're going to need to see Jock come back into that. Everybody can know, hey, he's still an elite, elite player in this league. Yeah, we probably skipped this one. I made this last week and I forgot to change it when Jod got hurt. So this is no longer. you can't really talk about anymore pain

my bad all right next one Nicole Yokitch or Yannis it's Yonis Yonis he got he got a top 75 running mate with him

and Damian Lillard everybody thought they were going to be the best duo in the league win a championship Yokis just proved that he's Teflon last year so he's good yeah and Yonis got bouncing

the first round it wasn't his fault but he didn't overcome the obstacles embarrassing yeah that's true yeah there's nothing that anyone else can ask for niccolo yoke's we've seen him improve his defense we've seen him be the best player in the entire world

and on a consistent basis over the last few seasons there's nothing that you can ask more out of him bro as for yonis we just want to see him do it again yeah honestly they're both kind of teflon as the best two players in the league top 20 players of all time but you know somebody has to win it's going to be honest exactly here next up devon booker or

anthony edwards this is tough this is interesting we might have to wait it's not tough i think it's anthony edwards can he triumph and be over the top of the terrible offense that

the minnesota timbrewills will of course have during the playoffs i don't know is he that good he was crowned as the next guy for the NBA the face of the NBA we're talking about him right here yeah you're right exactly people want him to be the next it guy in the league be the next face after lebron nobody has those expectations to devon booker at this point and has the way of the world on his shoulders yeah i i i agree and like

as much as everybody likes to praise booker we don't think of him having the same ceiling that anthony edwards can potentially have and if he if he is going to start making that ascend up the ranks he needs to do it this year yeah his PR is off the charts right now he has to maintain that send a video Next up, Kevin Durant or Anthony Davis I know what Donna was going to say I don't know what he's going to say I don't even want to do this one I'm not sure I guess

It depends on your expectations It's probably it's probably Kevin Durant In my opinion I'll lean that way 80s probably the most hated on playing the league But Kevin Durand his expectations of being a top 15 player of all time And he hasn't been able to get it done outside of Golden State He's getting older, but those allegations are continued amount

And he's going to look like a Steph Curry merchant if he keeps failing in the playoffs Listen, we witnessed Steph Curry be at the top of the world Finding win that finals MVP and win the championship alone Dolo didn't need no help from nobody We seen Katie leave and get that ass bounced by the Celtics Bounce by the Milwaukee Bucks Asked for a trade from the Brooklyn Nets And now he's on a struggling Phoenix

seem weight on the world bro the weight of the world's on his shoulders I agree it has to be kidding it just has to be kidding yep yeah he just has higher expectations I agree you and that's the end of the segment producer Nikhil just put on his golden state war is jersey and this is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my entire life three four okay honestly how many is it we take talk to do one two three four five six I think we ended there I don't feel doing the last one had written down it's been a long episode we got a lot of good TikToks written in us

I think that's the end of the episode what should they comment down below oh hmm should be something related Donovan and AD comment uh comment l-o-l he's mad let's get to end the comments hello he's mad oh he's mad we'll see y'all next week see you all