The Deep 3 Podcast - This Will Change The Warriors Forever | The Deep 3 Ep. 6

Episode Date: October 24, 2022

Draymond Green may have just thrown the punch that ends the Golden State Warriors as we know them. Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagtam!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the D3 podcast. I'm your host, Donna Smoot. Got the Homies Mojo 99 and Isaac Gutierrez with me. We're previewing the Northwest Division today. We're going to get to your hot takes as usual. And we have a whole bunch of TikTok ideas that we're going to give you guys about. And a whole bunch of Warriors drama to talk about.

You can't forget that. Oh, facts. Oh, absolutely. Cannot forget about the Dremont situation. But first. Got some right hooks to go over. Deeply analyzing the footage. Take us into what the people have been saying all week long.

For sure. Yeah, like always, we're going to do these hot takes to start the show. For this week's takes, first one we got Bearcat says that if Tracy McGrady stayed healthy, he'd be a top 15 player all the time. Yeah, that's an L take. That's an L take. Damn. No consideration? No, not really.

Because even the years where Tracy was healthy, they weren't even making it out the first. Tracy McGrady's never been out the first round of the playoffs. So there's a lot of years where he didn't have an excuse and they still, and they didn't get the job done. So I like extrapolating that that's that's too much if for me If he was healthy would he be ranked higher than Carmelo Anthony I think so I think so I think I think his raw I think his raw scoring numbers are are much gaudier than the mellows So he would probably get that

That's fair yeah I forgot to do the I forgot to do the hook again like always So I got a whole other list of I got another list of hot takes for you guys Let me know if these are W takes or L takes There we go All right, take number two. Logan says that Jalen Brown is a top 20 player in the NBA. It's a W-Take. What is a W-Tek?

Yeah, I'm going to say it's a W-Tick. Yeah, I'm going to say it's a W-Tick. You can name 20 players confidently, not no like devil thinks that are better than Jalen Brown. Yeah. You can do that confidently. Do it right now. Both do you give me 10 right now. Give me 10.

Okay, well, I'm not going to do the top 10. Let's talk about who's 10 to 20 then. Let me pull up a list of NBA teams. We can eyeball it. Up a list right now. I already know you're going to say Rudy Gaubert. Listen, okay, I'll, listen, just to get out, just to get out the way I'll rattle off the first top two. And if you go, you go Janice, Yokic, Steph, LeBron, KD, Embed, Luca, and then what, Dame, Kauai, I feel like I'm forgetting somebody.

But Jason Tadem. Yeah, Anthony Davis, Anthony Davis, Anthony Davis, cool. That's 12 right there. That's 12 right. Jason Tatum, John Morant, Devin Booker, Trey Young. Paul George,

Trey Young. Yeah. I like that. I'm putting where do you go bare. I'm putting where you go bare. Fuck. Hale. I think that's pretty easy.

Hail Bob. I'm looking at the list of players. Donovan Mitchell is better than Jalen Brown. Now there's two more. Oh, I can easily give you two more. Kyrie Irving. Yep. Is he really?

Yes. Yes. What the fuck are we doing here? Yes. What has Kyrie done for me already past two years, bro? I'm not, I'm not entertaining this. You don't have to entertain it. James Hardin.

Boom. Donovan. Donovan. Donovan. Donovan. Don't know of all people, you agree to that? Yeah. I think,

I think, wow. I think James Hardin is better than Jalen Brown. I don't think that's a hot take. Wow. Okay. Parley Towns. I like Jalen Brown better than Carl Anthony Towns.

Personally. Okay. I'm not going to argue that to death. That's a personal preference. That's more. preference than in fact we can keep going we can say names like Pascal Seaccom

oh my god we can keep going well I'm taking Pascal's probably better than Jaylam Brown he was all NBA like what are we doing yeah you're hating you're hating here I'm not heating I'm not hating I'm not hating bro

I'll take I'll take oh yeah what's next last one if Steph went Ethan says if Steph wins another ring he's going to be in the goat conversation

I don't think so just because so yeah so listen i'll say i'll take for that because he's never been better than lebron and like yeah like their careers have a very good overlap like a very good chunk of step's career

overlaps in lebron's prime and he was never better than him so i don't think we can like look back and say that oh yeah step was a better player yeah getting to go is tough yeah a lot of people are going to attack you for saying that donovan and argue that oh, 2016, blah, blah, which is very viable, but I definitely agree with you.

And he hasn't been better than LeBron, and he hasn't even been in the same conversation as MJ when he comes to just the greatest player period once in his life. Well, that's just a L, lower-case L. He's not going to get to the goat convo. That's incredibly hard, but I think he'll firmly be in top five convos. Like, you can easily say,

a lot of people are going to say he passed that Magic Johnson if he wins one more. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Which I think is still incredible, if he meant to do it go combo he has to rattle off like a three p or some shit something crazy in the second half of his career yeah exactly exactly that's all the hot takes i got for today so what that's it yeah i only got three we we only get three today we we got some stuff to get to

we get to listen we definitely have the spice to get to today oh exactly listen we got talking about the drama everybody knows about by now we're like a week late but draymond green punch the fuck at a jordan pool and all hell's breaking loose in that organization i'm ready he has Golden State Warrior shirt you're nasty yeah I'm ready I'm ready for it

you're nasty listen first off first off we all agree right like Jordan like Jordan fool did absolutely nothing wrong to he did not deserve that and Draymond

yeah I feel like the you know like baseline standard for this conversation is that Draymond green should not punch his teammates that's like we can all agree on yeah initially like everyone was

wondering like yeah what the hell Hell does this man, Jordan Poulsay? And then there were, like, rumors about him talking about money and how, it was a whole bunch of fake ball sack. That clutching media storm was nasty. Yeah, exactly. It was a whole bunch of that going on.

And I feel like once the actual tape came out, it was an outrageous, like, reaction. It was an outrageous reaction. It was way worse than any of us, like, actually could have thought. Like, he literally, damn near, I would say, knocked him out cold, full force. He was all of his body weight. Absolutely, bro. He punched him back He punched him out his shoes

He got him good Yeah But I mean So we can obviously like laugh And like talk about the insane scenario What this is like ad nauseum But I feel like the interesting part For us to talk about

Is like what the ramifications of this are For the Warriors dynasty And for their team building going forward Because as you guys know Draymond Green wanted a bag Like he was asking for a four year max And it was reported that they really weren't Trying to give him that shit

It seems like now This might be the catalyst that makes him kind of have an excuse to not give him to him at all and let him walk. Yeah, he's for sure not, he's not getting a max. I think that's done. I think, I don't know if the Warriors are going to go as far as to say, like, we don't need Draymond anymore and like to where they're going to like expedite the process of getting him out of there.

But yeah, listen, the phones are ringing. I think that they're having serious conversations and they would. Yeah, because if you're Jordan Poole, how do you continue to be a teammate with him? Like, how do you just get over that? Yeah, you can't. Well, it's okay I think If the video

If the video wasn't released I think it would be okay But now, now that we've all seen him get slept It's a completely different dynamic And you just can't look at them together Like if either one of them throughout the season Are sitting together on the bench That's going to be the topic of conversation And it's not going to be able to like that

You can't live that down So Jordan Poolew We know where his values lie the baddie saw him get knocked out by Traymond Green backpack jump shot man He can't come back from this Do you know how I'm a hoes? He must have lost off of that bro That is that is though

Dude he isn't now like This is the great recession for him right now bro Dead ass like this is disgusting I feel so bad for JP This is his whole brand This is Jordan Pools 9-11 Exactly It's crazy though

I watched that clip like 30 times straight just looking at it's like damn like every time it's crazy It's nuts But yeah like Obviously we'll see

How he personally handles this I think it's kind of what all it comes down to If he's willing to be the bigger person And let the team come before his personal Hatred you probably have for Draymond now Then maybe they can get out of this But it won't be shocking if this is the thing That kind of like makes the core crumble

Because I think we've all seen tweets about it During the aftermath like Every Dynasty comes to this point where something makes it so they fall apart usually they don't just weather out and lose like something makes them crumble this might be that for them i think so i think so as well honestly you know i think clay might low-key be happy about this just because what just because clay's decline was kind of like hey like this court's not really like it's not really like that and then jemont goes in and does what he does and and clay's like hey but i'm i'm still here you know like i'm

I'm still kicking it. Like, I'm doing the right thing. I'm going to go on a limb and say Clay Thompson is not happy to see Jordan pull a punch to the face. Yeah, no, you're crazy for that, Donovan. That's funny. That's what you mean? You're crazy for that.

But now this poses a bigger question, like, what is next for Draymond Green? Could this be a TikTok time, Isaac? Let me know, and I got that intro rip. Yeah, maybe because, like we're saying, they don't want to pay him. And this seems like a good reason to just not pay him at all. So do you guys see his circumstance where he leads to another team? it depends on what team you're talking about and off the top of the head there's only one team no so it won't be this season So, like you're saying, Muhammad, obviously, he wants to be a Laker, which is like the clutch ties is like clear.

But it definitely won't be the season. So I think what we're talking about as a realistic scenario would be them letting him walk in free agency next year. Yeah, exactly. Because he's probably not going to opt in because even if the Warriors don't want to pay him, somebody's going to give him a multi-year deal, just like the leadership aspect to bring him to the young team. So if he opts out next year and the Warriors are like kick rocks, do you, if they sign somewhere else? Yeah. And if he were to, yeah, what's your question? So he's been volatile his entire career.

I think everybody's understood that, like, hey, he's able to be like that because the wars have been this dynasty. But if he goes to, like, a young team, let's say, like, let's just throw like Charlotte, right? And they're not like, like there, if he goes to Charlotte and they're in the plane. I bet he won't slap terror his year like that. All those Charlotte boards are delinquents. They are with it for real.

They're not going out like JP. That's, that's exactly my point is that how much value does. that volatility come with if like if one your play is also is also declining and now you're the guy who's known for punching the young dude and you're supposed to be the you're supposed to be the championship vet that's leading everybody in the right direction you're supposed that's your one thing is that you are the leader and you just punch this young dude why would I bring you to my young team that doesn't have the right infrastructure yeah that's a good conversation I have because for the warriors draymond is incredibly valuable like he's half of their system

Steph is the way their offense goes and the catalyst for that and Draymond is the engine for the defense They can't do one without the other But they also let him run around like he's Puck Because he knows this And he just behaves in outlandous fashion Calls out the ownership in media

There's all this crazy shit That just would not fly with another team Because his on-court value Isn't going to be as high for another team That isn't in that perfect system for him Yeah so I guess this gets to the TikTok Type of conversation we can talk about Is which team do you want to see Draymond Green play for

If he ends up leaving the Warriors Oh, you're so in your bag bro Off the top of the rip, like you said earlier, the only teams that will work for him is a team that have, if not a similar system, similar players like Steph who had that long rage. And off the top of the head,

that's Tri Young, Atlanta Hawks, and also Damien Liller. So the Trailblazers is the Hawks. I can see those two. I mean, the obvious one is the Lakers. Seeing him next to LeBron and AD would be cool defensively, but I don't know if the offensive fit is really great.

Who are they passing to? Yeah. Kendrick Knud is not space on the floor of that, much. Oh my God. Could you imagine Patrick Beverly, Russ, and Dremont on the same team? Oh, no.

Russ is not going to be there. I'll lose my mind. Oh, my God. Yeah, my head would explode. My favorite fit would probably be the Nuggets. I think him next to Yokic is such a natural fit. Like, he can do all the things that Yokish isn't necessarily so great as, as a defender.

It gets the perfect fit. Have those two as the passers in your front court? Like, there's a lot of shit to be creative with there. And then Jamal and MPJ as your two, oh, that would be beautiful. I like, though. I probably like this better than my two, better than my two suggestions. How would I feel about, how would I feel about Dremont on the balls? Disgusting.

It's fucking indifferent. I don't know. Nothing about Dremont, Dermar Rosen as a duo tantalizes me. Yeah. That's why, that's why it's so hard to put Dremont really anywhere, bro. You have to have elite level shooters, some of the best top 20, two. You have at least have one top 20 shooter in the NBA. would you all want to seem with luca on the mabs maybe he could help break up that really

you know you're a heliocentric style they play that would be that safety valve and provide some secondary playmaking i like that i think i think that i would i think that that would be good i think that honestly might be in my top three for places i would want to see him go i really like your pick with the with the nuggets because again that fit with with him and yoke it's just crazy and then I think if it's just him and dame that might be that that might be like a very very interesting it's a mid fit yeah I think I think that would be the best initial fit so I would say Portland Denver and Dallas would be my top three spots for him yeah but I think I agree yeah or would him on the Suns be interesting it depends what the Suns look like

in a year the Suns have too many like yeah I have no idea what's like it look like I'm surprised you guys, I'm surprised you guys don't like him that much on the Hawks. That really surprised me right there. I mean, you like everybody in the Hawks. What do you want me to say? No, I do not. I do not like everybody on Hawks.

You just want players. I don't dislike him on the Hawks. I mean, that'd be cool, I guess. But, like, I don't know. I mean, I don't know if I'd rather have him than John Collins on that team. No, yeah, most definitely. Yeah, most definitely. If they, I would, I probably wouldn't do it still because of longevity purposes.

And I don't know if, yeah, give me that up for. or two, three years of Drey I think Dejante Murray probably gives them what Dremont would give them offensively. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they already have

those two playmakers. I think the effectiveness of Dremont's playmaking in the pick and roll in transition would kind of be lost in that team or have so much of usage is going to be in those two guys' hands.

Yeah. Like, Draymond doesn't thrive in a heavy pick and roll team like they are. He thrives in the, you know, off-bomb movement, setting screens, being able to break defenses down with cuts and whatnot.

Like, the Hawks are kind of the antithesis of that. Gotcha. Good analysis. Cool. So we figured out exactly where Draymond needs to go. We mentioned the Blazers as a potential spot. And now we're going to segue right into our Northwest Division, which is where the Blazers play. And look at that.

I know. Best in the biz. Look at that. So we're going to start with Portland, right? So Dame's back this year. He's healthy. They got Jeremy Grant over in there. Anthony Simons is going to be the guy that's kind of like full-time going to replace C.J. McCollum in that back court.

What are your expectations? And Mo, I'm going to start with you. What are your expectations for Portland this year? Can you start with me? I just got one word. Go ahead. Mid. Yeah, exactly.

They are a better team. They improve from last year. But like, comparing to what they have known, have been known to be over the last few years, over the last six, seven, eight years or whatever the case may be, they're like not the definition of That's like a team like the Washington Wizards or something like that But I think they're okay They're good they're probably gonna be a playoff team Maybe an 8C they're definitely gonna be in the plan

But I don't see anything too special happen Are they definitely the plan? Okay, that's tough Okay You're saying they're not the Wizards I think they are the Wizards West I think Damien Ler is Bradley Beal Anthony Simons is Chrishouse Porzingis

Josh Hart is I mean Jamie Grant is Cal Kuzma Monti Morris is Josh Hart like these are all the same level players like no they're not Damien Lood is levels ahead of Bradley Biel they're not sure yeah yeah yeah you're so disrespectful for that no of course of course Lur's

you should get slainer for that in comments by the way he's trying to force hate on you he's trying to force hate on you absolutely I mean this has one star with a bunch of above average but not the highest of level role players but like pretty good it's the same type of shit I will I will say I think that they are mid

in a harder conference I like that I think I think the Blazers are mid plus I think we should give them just a little bit more credit because they've only since dame has been there they've had two years under 500 and one of them was last season when dame was hurt and the other one was was the was the COVID year they finished 35 and 39 every other year they're over 500 by a pretty good margin so I think like if dame is there and he's and he's healthy for a majority of the season there's a floor that's a little bit higher than you know barely than barely making the the play in like I

I think they'll be eight or nine I think they'll be in that range but their record is probably going to be closer to I'll say seven than 10 Yeah I'm joking a little bit calling them The Wizards West like they're not actually that bad Like you said Lurid is like a top

We talk about Steph as like a top five offense on his own But like that's realistic we've been I think it was the low post was listening to the other day And for literally his entire career When he's on the court The day his team has played at a top five offense level Obviously when he sits down that's not the case because they have shitty backwards behind him

but he's he brings you to that level so like you said the floor is pretty high but i think we're also underestimating how many teams are in that eight to ten range like it wouldn't be super shocking if they were 11th it wouldn't shock me if they were 11th that must have meant like a yo some cataclysm injury must have happened dames of donald must a god item bro but just just like pivot if i'm being completely honest i hate talking about dami lillard and the Portland trailer trailblazers is because they're both literally doing disservice To themselves.

Dane should just go some roles and go do some other shit. Be productive. Be a productive NBA player. Do something else that's actually going to advance your career, bro. And as for the Blazers, you could have been in the Victor Juan Bananas, Victor on Bamayama sweepstakes. And you're just wasting your time trying to run it back with Jeremy Grant and Josh Hart, who are nice additions.

But, bro, let's be real. They ain't moving the needle. Yeah. I think for the Blazers, I think for them, they can't trade Dame until he asked for it. I think it's a very, very bad look if you have a guy, if you have like a top 10 player in the league on your, on your squad, who's just like, I will die for Portland. And like, you can't trade him, you know, out of nowhere. So like that, that kind of hurts them in the big sweepstakes. I will say, as to your point, I would be shocked if they were the 11C.

I would be shocked if they weren't at least in the, in the playing. Because there's two teams from last season that were in the playoffs in the play in. And that's Utah and San Antonio that are going to be nowhere. near that they're going to be nowhere near the playoffs i'm expecting los angeles to jump in there and i'm expecting portland to jump out of there and so then the bottom five will probably end up being utah san antonio sacramento okay c houston and so but you can easily see a world where sacramento's in that competition as well they're trying to be competent okay i know you fucking hate sacramento but they're going to be in the 9-10 11 range like really this is where they're going to be

they're going to be a solid team listen okay i listen i I would take you a word on Sacramento. I'm not going to pay any stock into them. But I would be shocked, though, if Portland didn't get to play. Big pictures, they're obviously in that range. But like we alluded to, they changed up the roster so much from last year, which we haven't really dove into yet. Let's talk about the fit with these different players.

Obviously, this is a headline by Anthony Simon's kind of like finally blossoming me into the role that he's been kind of like groomed into being, which is like the second guard next to Lillard. What do you think the ceiling is with that duo compared to the ceiling with C.J. Literally the exact same, if not worse, to me. If not worse. Worse.

I don't know if I could say the exact. It's so different. You know what I mean? Like, there's such completely different players. Like, CJ thrives off ball. He's a great shooter. Come off screens. Like, he really complimented Lillard well,

even though, like, they're both small guards. I feel like Simon's playstiles closer to Lillard than it is to C.J. Why you say worse, Mo? Just because of what Isaac just said. Like, I don't, I don't see that true ability to be a compliment and to cater to what Lillard cannot do or does not do as high of a level as his counterpart that's why but i'm not even saying

that though i just don't see the ceiling for it i'm saying their play styles are so different but we could also argue that even though the playstiles are less like clear of a fit simons can do those things he's a great shooter he could play off ball he could run off screens like just because we haven't seen him do it doesn't mean he can't and with his size and like just like raw talent maybe maybe he has a higher ceiling the cj as individual player would you be shocked if he eventually like blossom to an all-star level play? If he can be an all-star, I expect him to be on the same range as an all-star as Cesar McCorm. I would be shocked. I'd definitely be shocked if he was an awesome. Okay. I mean, he won't be an all-star this year, obviously, but like, what I'm asking

is, what do you think he can develop into long-term? I'm not long-term, like, within the next few years, that's relevant to Dames Prime. Borderline All-Star. Damn near All-Star. He might get, he might get one All-Star later in his career when he's 28, 29, or something like that, but that may be a game because he's just been so damn good over an X amount of years, and he's never got that recognition. Sounds like Donovan is a little high on him. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm very curious about, about what's going to happen. Yeah, I'm intrigued.

And it's very, like, it's crazy. He's 22 years old. He's, he's so, he's so young, and he's coming off of, he's coming off a season where he avered 17 points a game, didn't even play 30 minutes a game, even though that there was nobody on that team. So I think, like, you put a little bit more, you put six more minutes out there for him. He might be able to be a 20-point. per game score.

Yeah, let's look at his stats in the last like 30 games a year. I know he was on a fucking Bender, not Bender's wrong phrase. He was going fucking crazy in the second half of the season before he got hurt. Let's see. In the last 25 games, actually wasn't starting all those. Let's filter by just the ones he started. He became a starter on January 3rd. Okay.

So if you go from there until when he got hurt on the 5th of March, that's 27 games, he shot 45% from the field with 10 3s a game at 42% from 3 So already That's pretty fucking good 23 points 5.8 assists and 2.7 rebounds So that's pretty good

Yeah I think I think the biggest The biggest question is now that Dame is going to be back And he's going to have the ball in his hands A majority of the time rather than Simons how is he going to be able to To be that compliment you guard and exactly and and for Portland like are are they going to are they going to kind of stagger them a little bit give simons yeah you know you give simons more of the reins and say okay

go do what you did last year run the second unit and now you have your time to cook and so yeah that's that's the if um if their starting lineup is a lillard simmons let's say josh hart wins the three spot jeremy grant nurkitch we're going to see a lot of lineups with their back of five in can't remember who that's going to be and then willer off the floor and a little in there so we have simons at point heart little grant backup five and that's going to be a pretty good line up to eat up benches like simons definitely has the ability to be like if he's playing in that pseudo role as a backup point guard he can be among the league best at that role yeah backup backup center it's probably going to be drew eubanks oh yeah forgot about him

yeah so that's that's that's going to be that's gonna be that's gonna be the that's gonna be the guy for the for the blazes this year at the back of five well all right well that listen there so i guess we can agree like mid plus yeah right yeah i'm also so to get in some credit for like the way they built this team is so different from previous years i do and like the kind of like tandem of wings i have with heart little grant like surrounding uh your two star star star you know i mean star and a half ball handlers with these long wings who can like their athletic can play defense run the break i do like the idea of that like they can be a lot faster and more athletic of a team than they weren't in the past.

Definitely agree. This is probably the best fit team that Damien Lour has ever had. I don't know about that. They had some pretty good teams. Really? Oh, I forgot about the Moor Harclis and Alfa Rukamini news of the world. Yeah, they were like, they made a Western Conference Finals. They were nice before.

Yeah, that pause is loud. We're completely forgot about Maurice Harkless. How could I disrespect? Someone's signed a man. Yeah, they had Wessie Matthews when he was good. Yeah. completely forgot about that. All right, who's next?

But yeah, to your point, they are an interesting fit. I was not trying to say they're not. Who's that? Who's the next team? You know, so next up, let's talk about the jazz for, it's going to be a brief-ass conversation, but let's get the jazz talk out of the way. Wait me up when you're done.

They were, obviously the kind of rundown for the jazz was they were among the league's best teams in the regular season and kind of like running to the wall over and over again and just not being able to beat the league's top teams. They trade Rudy Gobert. They some reason trade Donovan Mitchell, and they're fully committed to the rebuild, which we all wanted them to do. So, where do we go from here?

They have a million picks. They have really no interesting young players unless you want to throw Colin Sexton in there. What are you looking for when you watch the Jazz this year? If I'm watching the Jazz, I expect someone like Colin Sexton, and especially Lorry Marketing, who was drafted, what, in 2017, to go absolutely bonkers? This is Lorry's, like, literally his last chance at any hint. or any type crumbal of, like, any sort of stardom in the entire NBA, bro. He's not getting- That ship's sale.

Yeah, okay, I won't say, okay, when I say start-on, like, oh, like a B-plus B-minus type player in the NBA. Just like actually good player. So an NBA. Yeah. Yeah. No, not an NBA, but I think he's still going to have. That seems to me. This is his last chance to be relevant and kind of solidify himself as, like, a player that you should pay attention to.

Exactly. And if he's going to improve his game and really work and really like put up numbers this is literally the best spot for him in the entire So that's what I think of that And I know that's going to ball out

We don't even need to waste time Talking about their on-court products Because like they're completely rebuilding They have Jared Vanderbilt Walker Kessler And some other The interesting part Talk about is what they're going to do

In terms of trades They have some interesting veterans They're obviously going to be on the move And plus they're going to be looking to like Take on somebody like Russell Westbrook To gain more assets what do you want to see them do with all their different moving parts that can go in a million different directions The only thing and and I this ties in with their young guys and this ties in with their old guys

I'm just looking to see who is going to ball out because who's going to get traded for first-on draft picks That should be the only thing on the jazz is mind right now because okay. So let's do this then Let's list their players and you tell me if you think they're going to get a first-on pick or if they deserve a first-on pick for them Okay Jordan Clarkson first Yes Four or six one of the year Absolute first Automatic first

Okay Yes Okay which team though I said this is a team like the bucks Doesn't give him like a late first Something like that Like has to be a contender Has to be a contender

Mike Conley Did they get a first for him? No Too old Too old That contract He makes a lot of fucking money Yeah too old than that contract

It's a bitch to go ahead And match bro You know I don't It's gonna be really hard To match that contract Mmhmm Yeah I don't even know

Where he'd get moved to Like I guess potentially your Russell Westbrook dumped they would send him to Lakers but like I don't think they're jazzed to have him yeah that would make sense don't pun intended that all makes sense but that's not

yeah definitely not a first or him okay they already traded Bowiehan um Malik Milleke Beasley they have him right yeah yeah but I don't know if I'd give him a first I don't know if I'd give give a first for him I certainly wouldn't

I would also not give him for for Malik Beasley yeah that man it did a couple years ago or last year I'm good I mean they have Jared Vanderbilt but they're probably not going to trade him they're probably going to view him as part of the future

young core they build yeah yeah so the only other two people would be if you want Rudy gay or if you want Kelly Olinic Kelly Olinic is interesting Rudy Goh Rudy Gay is not but I think Kelly Olinic I don't think a contenders should trade for him

but like a middling team that needs like solid bench depth can really get better with him yeah he's like surprisingly good like he's underweight he gets hurt a lot and like he's been on the pissing so nobody gives a fuck but like he's actually pretty nice yeah yeah outside of that back up five like if i'm the jazz aside of trading players i'm gonna be looking forward to who the hell is gonna be sticking around who's gonna do something interesting even in the slightest to make me want to be like okay i'm keeping this dude for the long haul and he's gonna be like literally low risk high reward a lewd dork type of beat jared vanderbilt that's i'm

name, you're going to, everyone's going to know Jared Vanderbilt's name by the end of this year. I hope so. He was thrown into the trade and he's kind of an afterthought because the big part of the Rudy Gobert trade was like four first-on picks and Walker Kester making it basically five-verson picks. But Jared Vanderbilt was like legitimately like a borderline all-MBA level defender last year.

Like he's that level of versatile and impactful as a help defender and on-ball. He's going to make some noise. I think, I think for the jazz, like they really, they really just have to set them up for picks because in the event that you do not get the number one pick there's still a rebuild that has to happen so you still have to do it like in the right way so right now right now this is this is like high school varsity we're just running we're running five and five scrimmage we're going to see who's going to make the team like that's yeah it's always interesting of this the first year of rebuild like this before they make a single high draft pick because

you're like well damn we'd all just know that nothing interesting isn't happened on the court this year we're just waiting to see if they get scoo henderson or victor or what like it's a really nothing to talk about i think that should just say that we should go on to the next team yeah i was yawning bro i'm gonna lie to you listen we we gave in five to ten minutes what's what we can do every team is give jazz fans a little of a bonus for how much we shit on them all right cool i want to i want to talk about about the denver nuggets next i want to i want to talk about the denver nuggets because

tell me your read on the Denver nuggets off top off top i think they are i think they are low-key NBA finals contenders um i think that they i think that they can like serious listen they can they can they can it and now that Jamal's healthy and PJs back they might be getting slept on in the west because the clippers are here because the warriors are trying to go back to back but I would I would put the nuggets at at three and honestly I might put them at two over the clippers like they they're nice I they're definitely in that combo they're definitively in the top tier where you place them in the top tier is up for debate but Yokic has some help

finally and he's gonna shut people up because like I'm sure we all know there's been this annoying narrative that like apparently yokic just like can't win or something because his teammates had been hurt even though he was in the western conference finals last time they're healthy shit i ever heard in my life yeah i digress he has help now and they're going to be lethal if they say healthy we saw them before they got hurt two years ago in that like 10 games where they had aaron gordon with that core they were looking unbeatable yeah bro i just really i'm really loving the look at this team is the best team that yokech has ever had everyone's healthy finally and also the pieces just fit so perfectly together.

Of course, Jamal is there. The addition of KCP is literally seamless. They got Aaron Gordon last year. It's fucking seamless foot, bro. MPJ is back, and then off of the bench, they drafted a rookie last year. Bones Highland, he is so filthy, so filthy. He's a great fit off the bench as well.

He's an automatic bucket. And if Jamal Murray's out of the game or MPJ is out of the game, there's your next big man point guard, you know, or guard play duo that he usually likes to. that he usually likes to run. I love this team from every angle, bro. I'm glad you brought KCP. That's such a nice addition for them.

Obviously, it hurts. I know internally as a team in the front office, they love Monta Morris. But like you said, they have Bones Highland now to kind of grow into that backup point guard role. Being able to kind of trade that redundancy you had in positions

having two backup points to get a three and deep wing as high level as KCP in his role, like how can you not love that for that team that's already so well stacked from top to bottom? Absolutely. Yeah, I think,

the only, I think one of the big things is how long is it going to take Jamal Murray to get back to be in Jamal Murray? Like he's, he's looked pretty solid in the, in the precinct, but I was like, you come off of an ACO, you haven't played basketball in, in over a year. Like, that's going to take you, it's going to take you some time. So even though that I think that they're a top three team in the West, I'm not sure if they're going to finish a top three seed. Um, because just again, like, could you have to, you have to kind of fit in hit him, MPJ, KCP. There's a lot of meshing that has to go in. So it wouldn't shock me if they ended up

fourth or fifth, but I would definitely like, if they did, if they did finish down there, I wouldn't bat an eye and be like, oh, I don't trust this team anymore. I see what you mean, but I think when we do our predictions episode next week, I'm going to predict them to be a top three seat pretty easily. Obviously

it's going to take some time to shake off the rest, like you said. But when you have Yokic, it gives you such a high floor that you don't need a whole lot from Jamal Murray to win games. Like would they win last year? 48 games with, or 46, with just yokech yeah they want 48 with just yokech like i think even with a shaky with a shaky murray to start they're still going to get to 54 pretty easily in my opinion what did they win for the year prior it's like 52 or something okay so so the the year prior was actually the

covid year and they won the year the year after the bubble and they they they won 47 and so that was a 71 that that was a 71 game season 72 game season they had a 653 year win percentage last season they had a let me check this again last year they had a 585 win percentage and so yeah so they were on 55 win pace yeah crazy 683 last season would have put them at the exact same record as the memphis grizzlies and the number two seed in the west fucking nuts yeah and now they have kCP yeah and now they have erin gordon for a full year they're here they're here they're here my thing about them though in order for to like the whole seating thing i think they're going to be top top three easily and for some

reason people like me forget about them all the fucking time why i don't know but jemal murray in order for like me to say like yo the nuggets are going to win the championship they're my championship favorites is my favorites to make it out the west like he needs to be him he needs to be on par with what he not with what he did during the bubble because that's like god tier type stuff but he should be a step or two below that bro he needs to be the clear cut second option. I don't need to see any rest, any row rust or anything like that or any like moments that tell me like, yo, they need another second option. I think he is that. I just need some, I just need some more confirmation. I don't feel as like serious about that as you do. Like,

I feel like we're talking about with Yokic being the best officer player in the NBA right now, like being the level he's at, I think whatever they get from him, they're going to be fine. Like, they have so much time before the playoffs comes. Like what you're saying is correct if they're going to like win the final type shit. But like if it takes Russ, Like they have so much time I'm really not worried about them in any capacity. Also, also before

he got hurt the year prior he was having a career season like he had he averaged the most points of his career he was more efficient than he ever was

like he had his best three point shooting season of his career so like it's honestly the question is like is was that year an outlier or was that

hell not listen listen he became a 40% three point shooter in year five the three years prior he was at 33 37 36 30 so like some percentage points lower yeah and he jumps up and he jumps up to 40 if you have a year off from an ACL injury are you going to go back to that 30 30 you know 36 37 which is really good but it's a whole different animal when you're a 40% three point shooter so like that's okay so that's what I want to see let's say Jamal isn't the same and then he's 75% what he once was and he's still a good player but he's not as we hoped he could be before he got hurt How does that affect your outlook of the team? I think Western Conference Finals, if he's not, I agree with Moe in that if they're going to win the finals, he needs to be, like, great, right?

You have to have two great guys on your squad if you're going to win it all. If he's just going to be, like, really, really good on, like, and on that borderline, they might be able to get caught by the Warriors. The Clippers can jump in there and get him all these other teams. but that's what i think he's going to be the the differentiator he's the ceiling booster that we already talked about yokech and just how much of a floor razor that he is yeah so he's the ceiling razor for them yeah that's fair i feel like we're not talking about mpj at all do you all have like an opinion about him like he's like he's good when he's healthy but i don't know if he's going to be healthy like that's really that's really

that's a big question mark we're talking about like as if that's i just thought about like that's a big question mark clearly like his chronic back issues or as chronic as they've ever fucking been so like are we worried about that no because i think that the nuggets can be i think they can survive with just murray and yokech as their main two offensive stars and even if they're even if the their tertiary offensive option comes from kCP being being a great shooter i think they'll be okay yeah plus really i think gordon's like the safety blanket for that now yeah so So I'm not too worried about who their third score is going to be. I really just need Jamal to step up and be that guy.

Yeah. Yeah. As long as Jamal can be that guy, you have no worry. That's another reason why I was like, I need to know. I need some confirmation that Jamal is going to continuously be him. I think we're underwriting the element that MPJ brings that team, though. Like, I think we got to view him as if he's like the Tyreek Hill to Yokic's Pat Mahomes. Like, he's that weapon that Yokic is able to just like dime.

up this big shooter who can catch the ball and shoot over anybody an elite cutter who can finish over a lot of people because of size like using him as that type of like I said a weapon really elevates her offense to like the level where they could be like the undisputed finals favorite if everything breaks right and I think without him like comparison they would need Jamal Murray to be amazing to hit that level without MPJ see I like I like I put Jamal Murray in that conversation that Tyreek Hill spot instead of MPJ I don't know I feel like MPs are just more complimentary he's just like he

he's like the ultimate ceiling raiser like Jamal Murray is like the realistic ceiling razor where he decides where they go but like if they want to hit that pinnacle pinnacle they need him exactly okay that's fair I mean I think we pretty much agree with everything with the nuggets like they're like that they're top tier contender

the floor is super high the ceiling is even higher like they're pretty yeah I forgot about him yeah some some rumors he might get that back of five spot that'd be cool yeah all right so i want to i want to end with with the i want to end with with minnesota so i want to get to okayc right now because i

think that this could also be kind of another like short conversation they're they're a little bit more interesting than than the jazz because they have some players um because everybody is but this is why they don't like you is it you i know what i'm saying but they are they are obviously Chet now out for the season back into the Victor sweepstakes and they're going to be they're going to be tanking what are you trying to see out of okay C this year how many Shay Gilders Alexander play for a full season I want to see him not be robbed the primaries of his career and be able to develop without being sidelined over like shin splints or some fake shit just so they can tank I don't care to take everybody else let Shay play I got

some bad news for you don't even let me know that's not going to happen that's not going happened. Oh, I know. Everybody for the last week, after everybody saw Victor play is like, listen, this is the future of basketball. He's already in potential goat conversations if everything goes right. Like everybody's, we are going to see the most atrocious tank wars that we've ever seen, especially because Scoot is at two. Even if you miss out on Victor, you're still getting a like a great, great prospect in Scoot. And so, and look, Vic said it, which was also very one of the hardest lines that I've ever heard where he said yeah if I wasn't born he'd be the number one pick in the draft I think I think that's insane that's insanely cool

from Victor to say so I got a question for y'all let's be fucking for real if I'm okay C you got like I don't know that 14 30 20 I don't know how many fresh armed picks but you got a lot more than damn near everyone else except for maybe the Utah Jazz. How many picks will a team like just eventually cave and fold to, bro? Because they got it. You don't have all these picks

for absolutely no reason. If I'm okay C, bro, I don't care how many games that I lose. I'm going to try to maximize on my potential and lose a lot of games so I can just naturally secure that number one pick. But if I get that number two or three, it ain't no issue. I got a whole house in the back that I'm willing to offer you right now for that man

Wemby. How many does it take? If I offer you eight picks, be fucking for you looking at me in my face right now and you're rejecting it? Hell no, you're not doing it. 10 picks? You're rejecting it? You can't do that. So what you're alluding to is you want to see a scenario where the Thunder do that and go all the clip. Empty it.

Yeah, I mean, if there's ever a point where you're going to do that, like they can't draft all these players. Like, they have more picks than they're realistically able to use. Like, this would be the year to do it. Exactly. You'd be an idiot's not. Now, there's probably some NBA rules up in place saying you can't, oh, you can't trade more than fucking three or four or five. I don't know what

case maybe but there's not no no if so the rule the rule is that you can't so you can't trade uh you can't trade a pick that's like uh seven years out uh there's like there's like there's like a limit to where to how far that's for your picks yeah the reason there's a stein rule that's the stein row i believe yeah but like if they listen they are they have all the infinity zones when it comes to picks and if they want to say hey we have we have six first round picks and then it makes you know two years do you want them yeah they can they can go ahead and do that so isaac if you're the utah jazz dm i don't know who you are you probably danny a age or some twist of shit i'm so sorry for you my boy but if you're danny age and you have that number and overall pick i'm okay see i'm trying

i'm saying press you i'm trying to make moves okay how many picks will it have to take for you to say no for me to get victor and i'm from your hands um starting out at eight i don't know so okay we're talking about i think the important part here is that we're just saying picks but not all picks are created equal. These aren't the OKC 2021, 2022, 2023, like near picks where they're going to be tanking years. It's like a lot of Clippers picks.

A lot of, um, who else they have picks from? Future picks from contenders, like, yeah, they got Rockets. Yeah, whoever they have them from. It's like, a lot of, they have like bucks picks. Like, it's, it's late for some picks up belong to contenders. So like, you can give me six or seven of those bitches and I'd rather have Victor.

Okay. What if I give you the real important, the real deal picks, including Chet Holger, bro because if we're being real ain't nobody want to see them to play together i don't want to see that shit so you're saying what i say yes the six picks chet home grin and like their current pick this year yeah i guess maybe how do we even talk about these hypotheticals that are like so outlandish i know this is me and my my my league mind bro if if the thunder if the thunder really want to get the job done and they want to go and get and they want to go and get wendy what they

have to do is they just need to take all the protection off of all the picks right i think you see there's so many trades that they go on right now for these first round picks and it's like hey it's where they're the lottery protected and if it doesn't turn it into a lottery this year then it turns into a second next year and it's just protection after protection it's just it's it's worthless right but if you say hey i will give you six to seven unprotected first round picks yeah then then we can start. I think that's where the conversation starts if you're if you're one of these tanking teams. For okayc the and let's let's try to like bring it back to to their future and kind of yeah what what they have on for this year. So obviously one of the goals is to try and see Shea

play for a whole season. That's probably not going to happen because by December he's already got an injury bro. Exactly but by December we by December we're going to know that they're already tanking. Chet's out for the year. Josh Giddy is going to be the main. one where the development is probably going to last from the start of the season it's the end of the season we're going to be able to see like a full season from him outside of that i think that they are on the same wavelength as the jazz where you're just trying to figure out who's there that you can trade for picks right i don't know i know they're definitely they're

definitely trying to develop talent right now like they have interesting players that they're good at like yeah they got lou dort they got tray man uh both of the jalen they got they got josh giddy Obviously, Josh Gidea, SGA, and Shet are like the three guys that are for sure in there. No, and that's, and that's all, that's all good and well. But you're at the bottom of the conference every single year, right? So eventually, eventually one of these guys is going to have to go. You're going to have to start making some decisions. Is Shea going to be one of the next superstars?

I say superstars very, very lightly, very loosely. But he's going to be one of the next young stars that's like, yo, give me the hell up out of here. I don't want to be here. No. No, I mean, everything we've heard from him is that he wants to be there. No, I mean, that's just a conjecture assuming, like, if I was him, I would do that. But, like, everything from heard from him is that, like, he understands the process and, like, wants to be part of what they're building. And they're also not that far from competing.

Like, we said, they have so many picks. They can't draft them all. Like, I feel like this is probably the last year they're going to be tanking for the tank tank for sure. Like, this is going to be, like, the last year they're bottoming out. Yeah, absolutely, bro. Now, if, like, the OKC Thunder is selling the same shit, like, two years from now, then absolutely like that that's that's just bound to happen but i think she understands the game plan and the game plan like officially should start now and also it started a couple years ago

but it should end june 23rd 26 and whatever the NBA draft is that's when it ends everybody has a plan to end tanking and then it ends up going longer than you than you think because losing is just like hard you know so that i guess but i mean they have next year they have chet they have whoever they draft this year and esther GA and giddy like they're going to be a good team like they can't you can't tank that hard like they're going to be a good team eventually like they're accumulating the talent like eventually it's just like gonna make you naturally better and you can't tank and they're heading there pretty soon like I'm all for the talk of like who is this person going to leave I love free agency as much

everybody else does but I feel like the talk around Shea has been the most forced like people were like oh are they going to trade him is you can request a trade like there's been no real reason to believe it's going to happen either way absolutely yeah you guys talk You guys talk about, or these people talk about Shay as if he's like Lamello Ball. Like Lamello Ball, he's another young guard, but like the situations are completely different. Huh?

No, not really for me. Would it shock you if Lamello was like, yeah, I don't really feel of the vibes. My homies out. My homies are up in a slamer. Yeah, he's in New Year 3. Of course it would shock me. It wouldn't shock me at it. It wouldn't shock me at all. It would shock me if Lamello said that. Now, but the circumstances are different though

because, like, Lamello started off, off rip damn near. I think that the Charlotte Horns were a playoff team, if not a playoff team, they weren't very ass or whatever. And every year since he's been there, they've progressed. She's been to the playoffs with the Clippers and he was in the playoffs with the, with the Thunder just two years ago. Yeah, but the circumstances are different, though. I know, but he's gotten a taste of the playoffs. And so if you look at the landscape of what the Thunder are going to be and you just look at like,

hey, we keep bottoming out at a certain point. like that's what I'm saying I can understand the conversation more about Shea rather than lamella but that's that that's neither here nor there I think with with thunder and we're kind of like while we are why we aren't in agreeance on kind of like the future of it for this season they're going to be tanking again they're going to be in the in the victor sweepstakes and they just have to make a move eventually with all those picks because that is that's inevitable And so whatever move that they are going to make, that's, that's, that's the thing in question for OKC. Absolutely.

I think the interesting part is like, even the docket Victor, say they get another top four pick. Maybe it's Scoot. Maybe it's one of the other premier guys behind them. That guy, Shay, giddy, Shet put you in a place where, wherever the next disgruntled young star is, they trade for him. Now we're cooking. Yeah. Like, it doesn't have to be the unloading for Victor this year. They're just in position to unload for wherever the next guy is.

Exactly. Yeah. exactly all right i think we can move on to timberwolves i'm tired talking about the thunder this man could not wait into this man could not wait to talk about ruddy gobert we know we know we know yeah so we have is izic's favorite player in the league rudy gobert and he is now he is now on the minnesota timberwolves with car anthony towns anthony edwards d'angelo russell and yeah it's a very interesting situation i'm very intrigued to see what the regular season looks like and how this like twin towers is going to is going to operate because now you have cat who can

kind of play like an offensive four to Rudy's you know stout defensive rim protecting five and yeah you have both of those dynamics Anthony Edwards is supposed to be making the leap this year that everybody expects like they have a lot of storylines and a lot of things that you're looking at and say like oh this could be really really interesting absolutely I agree they're going to be amazing the regular season I was filling out my projections today. I was filling out my projections today for like where I think every team's and slot out because enjoy basketball.

Kenny's brand put out like a site you can click on to fill it out. I don't see a scenario where they're not a top four, maybe top five team in the regular season. Wow. Not top four. No, they're going to be top four. Like they have all the things you need to be a good regular season team. Yeah, like they're going to be at least 50 wins.

Oh, enough. It's not terrible. What's your bencher? They have Jordan McLaughlin as the backup point guard. They have Nozreed. Nasreed is the backup center. They have, let me pull the roster. They actually do have a really solid bench.

Yeah, you're right. Nasreed, that McLaughlin dude, I forgot it. I don't know what he forgot his first name, but I know who you're talking about. Yeah, that ball dude. With the beard. No, he's good. Don't sleep on him.

He's solid. Yeah. Yeah, they have a coach. With the Timberwolves is. Kyle Anderson. You said a Kogi? don't they still have a kogi no he's on the sons now so okokies oh no i'm thinking of jalen no well i'm just my bad okay got about him oh my god i forgot i forgot fuck

yeah they have also rivers tory and prince that is true i completely forgot um yeah that's you can't believe this that's so you're nasty for that bro but i completely forgot about that they have kyle anderson they have jeline wold who's also a good player bro uh damn maybe they are a little than I thought they were. Yeah, like they're good. They have a solid bench. Rudy Gobert brings you regular season wins because he makes you a top 10 defense almost guaranteed. Kat and DeAngel Russell and Anthony Edwards as a nucleus year offense.

We saw it last year, at least a good things. Yeah. There's no reason that any doubt about them when it comes to the regular season, but there's a lot of fucking reasons that have doubt about them when it comes to the playoffs. Yeah, exactly. One thing that I want to say randomly is that I'm so happy because, oh, not, I'm happy, but I'm also like kind of like unsure of the future for Dan. Andrew Russell,

happy because, like, yo, this is the first time in a long time that he gets to play with the lob threat. Like Rudy Gubare, the last person like this,

he had to play with was Jared Allen, and that was way back when he was in Brooklyn, then had, and was an all-star and things as that nature. So I think,

also, Dearen, you're right. They're going to be a fucking fantastic regular season team just on all levels. It just makes way too much sense. And when it comes to the playoffs,

that's when a huge question is going to come up, and that's when the rule will be exposed. What do you think about them, Donovan? I think I would say

second round I would have as their ceiling in my opinion I just think that once they I like that I think that once they get into the playoffs and they start playing against these teams that can go small

like we've already seen for years what what small ball can do to Rudy Gobert and we can get into this and I'm not listen you better piss off the only Rudy Go Bear

in the world. I'm not saying that he's not, that he's not, I'm not saying that he's not, I'm not saying that he's not great at what he does, but when you play that style of, of defense, there are, there's obviously like ways that you can exploit it, and he's been able to be exploited in that way. He hasn't been exploited. The Jazz has defensive exploited because they had no guard defenders, and they were getting constantly blown by where he's having to run around trying to defend everybody.

Exactly. I guess what you could say is the one, that happens because he, because you have the system set up around him. And so then the system gets exposed because you have, sure. Well, if this, by the system gets exposed, I mean, it's the fact that There's no good guard defenders, and sure, but, like, the highest of Timberwell fans will argue that that's not a, is not an issue with this team, that they actually have really good guard defenders. So if that's the case, I feel like, you know, it kind of, like, negates the biggest weakness of that. A fucking hairball, yeah.

I think the bigger problem, what you're saying is right. I think for the wrong reason, though, I feel like the biggest issue isn't the fact that Rudy Gobert can't defend small ball. It's the fact that Carlinetowns and Rudy Gobert together can't defend small ball. Yeah, that's when they're fucking. really cooked and that's when the Utah Jazz are going to have to really rely on yo the Anthony Edwards leaf is that how how thrill is that going to be yeah but you can't just like outscore everybody every night and yeah like he's gonna he's gonna have to learn how to he's going to have to learn how to lock up car Anthony Towns

is going to have to learn how to lock up the Angela Russell is going to have to learn how to lock up like that's three guys in your finishing lineup that are going to have to learn how to how to play defense and that's that's a serious problem so So that's what I'm saying. Once you get into the playoffs and you start getting into these series with players who can play defense and play offense and go both ways, that's going to be the problem. So that's why I think that they're saying it's the second round. Yeah, because I think the biggest problem is they're going to have to eat the game match. It's making the second round, they're probably going to face either the Warriors or the Clippers.

And those are like, how could they possibly have a chance defending those small teams? If you have Draymond at 5 and then, what, Wiggins at 4, you want Carl Lenthe Towns to run around defending the warrior's scheme when they have four perimeter players and draymond green's fast ass out there for he is barbecue chicken bro yeah like you could argue that gober isn't have issues for sure but then you compound that with the issues cats gonna have on the perimeter where he actually has to be out there full time that's the biggest issue is that sure they can get gobert and picking roles but cats can have to do that the entire game and he's not super well equipped to do that either yeah exactly so so so again so again so you have so you have both the assenters and one

of them who you just traded like a legendary hall for and and now you're kind of handicapping yourself into a style of play that's probably not conducive to to winning in the modern NBA and so it's like like I got to I again I listen I appreciate you for trying I don't know how far you're going to get though like you probably yeah you probably swung on the wrong guy the chances are better than they were last year so I mean you can't really argue that it didn't work but like yeah I mean Yeah, things have the really break right and give them great matchups. Like, if they match up with the Nuggets, that's probably the best case to know for them, because Goberican Guard, Yokic, decently well,

and then Aaron Gordon isn't the worst matchup for Kat. So if that happens, cool. If they can match up the Lakers, that's good for them. But again, those two teams, the Warriors and the Clippers, you literally cannot avoid both of them. There's no way. Yeah. Exactly.

So, listen, sorry, sorry, Minnesota. you're still going to have a discipline I don't think any Minnesota fans I don't think any Minnesota fans should really have any true aspirations for a championship or anything like that with the with the haul that they gave up yeah you can you know I'm saying it makes sense

they do like bro that's just they're going to be heartbroken and I just want to see them be relevant for a couple of years where you don't have to win just vibe out for now it'll be nice though to see them have they're going to have some success though it's going to be nice to see them

get some success in the regular season for sure though exactly like there's going to be a lot of cat venification for cat for delo for gobert people are going to be loving ant man as he leads them to the two seed or whatever like it's going to be a good season for them for sure which is you know better than what they could have asked for last year yeah exactly no no cat love for me no cat's committed to the hater of it oh for sure this is this is not a bit it's a lifestyle that's not a bit it's a lifestyle this is who i am exactly this should meet something to me

I think that's That's all the teams, right? Oh, is it? That's everybody. Yep. We made it. So we can move on to the part. We're all here for the TikTok.

I think we should start off by doing this all-white player draft. Let's start. Let's start. Let's go. Do you guys need a list of names or are you good off top of your head? No. No, this would be more fun with no thought behind it. I just need the first white, white basketball players that come to you and come to your head.

Okay. So let's get the TikTok. Shit, this is going to be a terrible draft. Let's draft the best all-time starting five is possible with only white players. So who wants to get, so did I get first pick last time? I never had the first pick. I've been stuck in the middle twice. Okay, I've never done second pick.

So Muhammad's first pick, I get second pick, Donovan's third pick again. Okay, sounds good. All right, first pick, y'all may hate me, but I'm going Luca. Sorry, sorry, sorry. You're on Louva. Okay. Very hot take. Go ahead and take them.

Do I want to go Yokic or Larry Bird? I mean, Larry Bird, I got to go Larry Bird, right? I'll pick him. Okay, cool. I will take, I, listen, I will trade you because I, I'm taking you here. Yeah, I want, I want Larry Bird on my team. Too bad. So, yeah.

I'll take, okay, so I'll take Yokch at, I'll take Yokch at, at, at five, and then I'll get my point guard as well. and I will get Steve Nash as my point card Damn That's a good one That's a nasty combo Yeah I'm gonna pick Dirk

That's my second pick Fuck Okay I got some offense cooking Okay You got Dirk I got Jerry West Okay

Jerry West Yeah I don't know You can have Jerry You can have Jerry You can have I'm losing no sleaf But okay Fuck man

This is tough All of our defense his ass yeah exactly Caucasian ha ha ha ha ha you're turn to give yeah you're right okay so I had

I had Jerry West and now Kevin Love okay Kevin Love so you got Luca love Jerry West you have no fucking defense

yeah bro this is terrible I know I'm gonna get to steal with the draft y'all know now bill walton oh yeah yeah okay yeah deal with it okay you got this all right i'm gonna go we gotta have a nasty turn time give me kevin mckell damn okay i'll take i'll take him mackale and then i'll let's your team you who's your i've steve nash kevin mckell and yokeach okay it's not bad that's nice not not like crazy defenders um which is

where I'm trying to go right now I have no idea where I'm gonna go you know we're just gonna go all offense I need a shooter which is every white player ever and the only one popping into my mind oh no no no give me JJ Reddy

at the two okay oh my goodness you're gonna feel real bad about you're gonna feel real bad about that pick because I'm gonna pick Moner Genobi now fuck man god damn I can't have shit fuck damn What the fuck? I'm cooking, y'all.

Jesus. I'll live. Okay. Damn. What? J.J.? You picked JJ Reddick over Manu? You're crazy, bro.

You're crazy. He's nice. So it's my turn? He's cool. Yep. He's cool. Yeah, he's a cool podcast. By the side of that, bro.

Come on now. Okay. Who's your picks? All right. So, what other Caucasian? Let me go ahead and open up Google for real, though. Okay, yeah, oh God Who's short as hell right now, bro?

Our defenses is atrocious right now. Greatest white point guards of all time. Okay, I got, he looked good. I am not picking no goddamn John Stocks. He's got to be messed up to the max. Okay, I got Rick Berry. I'm not about to get y'all no more. You got another

Pickmo Oh wait So my team is Fuck Luca Thank God I got Luca

Who's my two again Rick Berry I had Luca Oh Jerry West You got Jerry West You got Jerry West Yeah

Luca Jerry West Rick Berry Kevin Lowe So I need a big man Huh And you got Bill Watton

Damn Dirknewitsky's already gone You said what So yep I do Okay I don't know exactly you should pick

but I won't say it Yeah I know I know you're not going to say it I mean best white players NBA history Let's do this live There's like four good bigs left That there's two sets of related bigs

That nobody's picked it I'll say that Really? I know I know who Really? But they don't Yeah It doesn't fit with my

Is it Ryan Anderson? Yeah There it is No no I'm just kidding Come on chop it up Can I pick Blake Gryffin or no?

No. We're not counting at. Like a black man. What are you doing? Dude, fuck. I genuinely don't know, bro. Fuck. I generally don't.

Okay, hold on. Okay, hold on. Okay, hold on. This is bad radio. You're killing our podcast. Okay, hold on. Hold on. I got you.

I got you. I got you. Okay. I'm going to go, damn. I'm going to go ahead and go with, fuck, I'm trying to kill so much time.

I generally don't know how cooks. Man, if you don't fucking pick Mark Gasol. Oh, Markisole. I can't believe I All right Come on

Let's keep it moving Take it You get Marcus Yeah thank you You gave me that Thank you I'm going to pick John Stockton

And I clearly Had the best team here Ew All right All right All right We got to do it. We will go

With the deep cut And I'm going to fill out My three We're going straight offense One of the best Shooters of all time Drozin Petrov That's a good pick

Drives and Petrovich at the 3 We're going straight shooting All stereo type team So yeah That's where I'm at All right So let's list our teams out

I have John Stockton Mono Gnobli Larry Bird Dirknovitsky Bill Walton All right I look you might have the best possible

All white man team besides Jukes I have I have Steve Nash J.J. Redick Drozen Petrovich Kevin McHale and Yokic

It's not bad I like that that's nice yeah Mine is probably the worst. Admittedly, mine is probably the worst. I got Luca, I got Jerry West, I got Rick Berry, I got Kevin Love, and for my five, I got Marcus off.

It's not that bad, actually. I don't know. I don't know who's going to get the second best team between you two in the comments. Obviously, I won. I don't know who I want between you two. Obviously, I won't. Let's see what up to the comments.

Come on, obviously, I fucking want. Y'all let me get John Stockton's the last pick. You were supposed to stayed you weren't going to take him? I was like, no, yeah. I'm definitely honest. I was like, so overrated, bro. If I wanted a white player, I'd rather pick fucking Ricky Ruby over him. I had to pick between him and Alex Caruso, though, so it was an easy piece.

Alex Caruso's crazy. I needed a point guard bad. All right, that's going to bang on TikTok. That's going to be funny. Yeah, for sure. All right. So for our next TikTok bit, I'm going to list some NBA players. You let me know if you would trade them for the number one pick to draft Victor Well Maniana.

Let's go. Devin Booker. Yes. Out of here. Be gone. Yep, send him away. Take him to Alcatra. I don't care.

All right, what about Scotty Barnes? Absolutely. Easy. Yes. I think I would trade him. Part B. No hesitation? No hezy. It would be a little bit of hesitation, but that would be like, no, I think it's

different, though. Like. Fair enough. Jason Tatum. No. This is the hard one. No, I would not trade Jason. Probably not. Jason Taylor is the finished product.

It's going to be. good for so damn long probably not yeah Vic could definitely be better than him but Jason Tatum is a sure thing he's already gonna be a top 10 player for a while you gotta go with him and also if Vic does end up being better than Jason Tatum how much better can he really be better than Jason Tatum

I don't know listen listen listen he can be a lot better than Jason Tatum things break right what is whew yeah it's different okay he is different Joelle and Bede no I'm not sure of it

I am probably trading injury. How old is Joe out? Like 29? Yeah. Okay, then yeah. I'll trade him. I don't know if Joel and B is going to be like a top five center. Or not top five.

That's crazy, bro. I don't know if Joe NB. B is going to be like a top two player in the next, top two center in the next like four years. So I'm definitely going to go ahead and make that trade. Yeah, I'll do that. I don't think I would trade in Bede, but I can understand if you do, but that stuff.

Yeah. Anthony Edwards Yes Yeah Yeah I scratch my neck You're not gonna like that But listen he's great

He's great for House of Highlights Right He's gonna be He's great for Houseout On the musical He's gonna be fantastic I want to I want to win

I think they can get me there More than Ed Yeah Yeah John Morant No No I'm not Trading John

Trading John's tough I'm not I'm not It's the same thing that we were talking about with Tatum in that like Jaws already on his way up the NBA ranks and he's in he's going into

what year four you're four he's yeah he's not even right he's not even like 25 like he's in the MbP conversation you're right I can't do that I can't do that that's just putting way too much stock into into Victor this man's a capital before the show started

Mo said he would easily trade job and rent for Victor yeah I had to throw you off your feet I had to throw you off your feet I had to throw you off camera absolutely I'm probably it too that's funny that's tough like the lengths you'd go to trade for victor is definitely a nice litmus test where people's heads are at like yeah he could be anything or he could be nothing like at this point like he could be so good it's hard to tell yeah yeah exactly i think you'd be crossing the line if you were to go ahead and trade all brady established stars like fucking

a joel or jason's had him or trey young or fucking like a yonis or something anything of that now you can you can you're craziest you can trade try young he's not that good no you're trolling you right now the fuck out of here he's going bald oh my god no i think he just you saw that video he took a shower okay i don't know what the fuck you're referencing oh there's a video there's a video that hawksrange are talking about and it looks like tray cut his hair or whatever because he looks like the most baldest anyone has ever seen and a bunch of like Caucasian people who are coming to his fence oh no our hair just looks like that after we shot yeah but they're just coming to his fans oh our hair looks like that after we shower sometimes it sends out of

i don't know is like maybe you can attest to that notably a caucasian person i guess okay we have one more ticotac segment let's go okay i'm a list some NBA players and you tell me how do i phrase this I want us to do a little bit of our imagination and let it run wild and imagine the perfect scenario for these star players and where we'd want to see them play

I think that'd be fun so I'm a list of NBA players you let me know if you could put them on any team in the league who it would be let's go Luca Donchich I would

oh thank the Milwaukee bucks I'm going with the nuggets I gotta go with the nuggets I gotta see him and Yokch together you crazy sell I think the bucks are a better duo than that

maybe but him and Yokish they just fit so well you know the European thing I got to see it. Yeah, well, that is true, bro. Them blobs are going to be nasty, and I think that Janus and Yokic, I said Yonis and Yolkich.

I just caught myself right there. I think that Donchich and Yonis will feed off of each other even better than what Yokic and Donovic will be. And I said Donovic, what's the fuck? And what's his name again? Donchich can do. I'm with, I'm with email, though.

I think I think I'll say Milwaukee. I think Luca and Janus would be crazy. Disgusting. Okay. What about Kauai Leonard? Ooh, Kauai Leonard. I'll put him on the Memphis Grizzlies.

Grizzlies. That'll be fun as hell. Oh, that's interesting. On the Grizzles? You're all right. Yeah, I say Grizzles.

That'll be fun as hell, bro. Could you imagine fucking John doing a gritty or whatever? I'm getting hype and Kauai just stale faces fuck in the corner. I'll put that. I want to see him on the Lakers so we get to see what we're

pumped faked for what we almost saw a few years ago when he doesn't want to watch that? I want to watch that. A.D. LeBron, Kauai. me that please with russell westbrook still yeah i'm good yeah i'm good on that send russell westbrook to the g league ignite i don't care how many points would russ average in the g league is he a 30 point per game for that disrespect is crazy i said make that a ticta right there oh my god

yeah oh my god crazy okay What about Zion Williamson? Oh, Hawks. Yeah. Put him on the Hawks. That's what I was going to say. Put him on the Hawks. There's just one video of Zion Williamson touching and I think he double-tapped and knocked on the Hawks lottery desk twice a couple days before the draft.

And that literally resonated and lives rent-free in every Hawks fan's mind. To be fair. To be-to-be-fair. I'm cool with that. To be fair. Pre-draft, it looked like he wanted to go anywhere except for New Orleans. And so he would have been happy anywhere But I'm with you

If Trey Young is dancing Taking stepbacks Taking step back threes Him and Trey and Zion Running pick and rolls Lobbin from half court You can't stop that Lobbin from half court

Zon can do that You can't stop that Oh my God What about Jalen Brown? Yeah Why you all end it off like this? Damn That's how you got in the clip?

Zion is like... I can't just pick all the best players in the league. We've got to mix it up. Listen, my bad. I forgot. He's a top 20 player in the league. So apparently. I put some respect on this fan.

There we go. I'm going to put him on the calves. I feel like exactly what they need is that wing who can play defense and create a little bit. Put him right in the middle of that lineup with the two bays and the two guards. Oh, my God. Okay. Okay. Let's see.

I'm going to go ahead and show, so I'm going to show him some love. He fits on every team. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to go ahead and show the Sacramento Kings some love. I'm going to go ahead and put him on the Kings. It finally. they have no reason to not make the playoffs they can finally get the fuck out my face killing kings okay i'm putting him on the miami heat i would i would like that better i was

gonna say that yeah i like that's a good one him and jimmy's nice yeah yeah all right cool that's funny mess at the kings yeah that's putting him on the kings is nasty than even asking the question bro okay what about dionre aton i wanted to see him go to Detroit earlier in this offseason. Yeah, that's a good pick. I think I think we can still make that work. So I'll put him in Detroit. I will put him on the Indiana Pacers next to Tyrese.

I think I love that fit. Next to Tyrese What could have been? Natharine. It's solid. He can fit anywhere, bro. Yeah. I want to see him on the Trailblazers with Damien Lillard. I feel that'd be a super nice fit. Give him a talented big for the first time. I'm with it. Oh, my God. I love that pick. That's nasty.

What about Donovan Mitchell? Donovan Mitchell. I wanted to see on the on the on the toronto raptors i think okay i think if they if they had the like the elite back court scoring to go along with scotty barnes jump and pascal siakum was already all on nba that's that's a team that's a squad i like yeah i want to see him on the nets in the in the role that james hardin was next to the i want to see him on the nets in the role that james hardin was in next to krey and kd i feel like if we get to see them longer with that three headed dragon beautiful that would be crazy

That will be nuts. I can't even think of a team that I'm like, oh, shit, that'll be, that'll, ah, damn. Donovan Mitchell. I'm drawing blinks right now, y'all. I'm drawing dead-ass blinks right now. Donovan Mitchell, why not go ahead and throw him on a team? This is about to be nasty, too. I can feel it.

The Wizards. It's not going to be nasty. Yeah, go ahead and throw him How'd you know? The fuck, how'd you know? Yeah. You go with Orlando? Yeah, they're the worst offense in the entire NBA.

Throw them on Orlando. Throw him in Orlando road. That'll be fun. For the vibes. I guess. I don't know if that's the right word, but okay. Yeah, that's a nasty take. I ain't going to lie.

You caught me. That's funny. That's all the things we got today. Actually, let me say the hook. more time for TikTok because I feel like people are going to be like none of this is realistic so we got to make sure we address that I'm a list of some NBA players you let me know what the perfect team you want to see them on um and it doesn't have to be realistic cool I've got that out there I think we're done I don't have any more segments

anything I should I want to talk about fire podcast now y'all want to talk about how I think I think we're good season starts next week I'm so excited next week we got we got a we got a a preview episode we're going to go over all of our awards predictions we're going to project the standing that's going to be spicy that's going to be spicy a in the next episode too there are no takebacks we're going to reference next season off of the next episode too so or at the end of the season so you guys can't miss that 100% all right the episode's over now