The Deep 3 Podcast - Tier Listing The Most TOXIC NBA Duos | TD3 Clips

Episode Date: June 16, 2026

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We are going to put toxic NBA duos into a tier list. We have these tears based on what kind of toxic relationship these guys had. Maybe it was something that could be repaired. Maybe it was something that don't speak to me ever again, lose my number. Maybe we had a good run. Then we fell apart. Lots of varieties of NBA toxicity over the years. But all these star duos fell out for toxic reasons in some way.

Where should we start with? Shaq and Kobe. Man, this could fit in every single one. But it definitely worked until it didn't. Yeah. So go to read off the categories. All right. Lifelong enemies.

Delete my number. Do them from the start. It worked until it didn't. Right person wrong time. We had a good run to be honest. Yeah. It's either it worked until it didn't or we had a good run to be honest. Yeah, I think we had a good run to be honest implies it.

Maybe it's not that toxic after all. This was toxic. It was. It got very toxic. So it worked until it didn't. It's like the perfect category for them. Yeah. I'm fine with that.

Because we can't rewrite history. She got toxic as hell. Yeah, they're making rap beefs. They were hating on the TV. They had right there, rap beefs? Then Shaq was the one-sided. Shaq dissed him? Yeah.

What did Shaq said? He was rapping and he said, Kobe, how does my ass taste? Oh. That was while they were teammates? I think after. Okay, right after it makes sense. I think I knew about that line. I thought you were saying it happened while they're teammates.

I was like, what? That's not funny, though. Like, imagine that in today's context. If somebody got traded and did that, like, who's the last star duo to break up? If after KD left, Draymond came out with an EP and he was dissing KD on it. And he said that, Drewma, how my ass tastes is that funny. That's weird. I'd rock with it.

I'd big up Dremont for it. That'd be weird as out. I would be happy to see it. Next up, let's stick on Kobe. Kobe and Dwight Howard. Ooh. Delete my number is one. He just didn't respect them?

Yeah, for sure. Keep in mind, they came together, thought they were having a new championship window for Kobe, and immediately had no chemistry, didn't work, Dwight got hurt all the time, didn't respect his get down. There was no upside. So then I think Dwight being who Dwight was, especially at that time, it was doomed from the start. Probably. They were never going to mesh together. Those personalities were never won for this world.

Yeah. I can agree that. Okay. Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook. They had a good run. did they way to get run to be honest yes yes

they went to a finals early on they went to several conference finals like that was a good time it was toxic because Russ was maddened him for leaving understandably but looking back

it wasn't that toxic we can just say we had a good run the breakup sucked but the overall moment wasn't too toxic exactly if the toxic part was the end then the run itself was good

and I think also too personality wise these guys meshed so absurdly well together KD's more quies in the shadows and all that Russ is always in your face. I think they had a good run.

Yeah, they did press conferences together. They were homies. Yeah. Kevin Durant and Draymond Green. Oh, shit. Lifelong enemies is up for debate. Now, I think they're cool now. Are they?

Yeah, I think they squashed it. Squashed it? Maybe they're cordial because, like, they're real men, but squashed it. Might be delete my number. Maybe they're like, lifelong enemies imply some malice. I don't know if that's there. Are they ever going to be communicative, though? Are they ever going to be, like, chill?

Maybe not. Maybe it's to stay your ways, be on opposite sides of the room at the clutch parties forever. But not enemies, but don't talk to me. Is it? Yeah, I think Scott. Katie was on the Dream On show last year. Oh, he was. You're right.

They did squash it. Yeah, they did the shows together. So are they, it worked until it didn't? Or is it right place, right person wrong time? Because maybe Kevin around wasn't at the point of his life to deal with that. And the whole mental thing he had with the Warriors not being his team and him feeling weird about that. He was always going to be in the right time. Probably not.

right you're right even or maybe that means there's doom from the start because kevin ratt was never long yeah it was doomed from the start honestly he was always yeah and like it's it goes really it's about them too but really goes beyond that because i remember who who was it um during the warriors parade where they're like yeah katie this is never going to be your team but well i forget who was that was bob myers yeah yeah just the gm of the team yeah yeah katie was never going to feel like the main character who's always going to leave doom from the start yep fair enough that's so crazy that He said that. Yeah, I don't know what made him.

At the parade. Yeah. I promise you, Katie, didn't forget about that. Yeah. Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. Right person, wrong time. Yeah, just not during a pandemic. Shit would have been chill.

Exactly. Yeah, literally. Yeah, wrong time for shit. Wrong time. And they linked up in 20, 23. Yeah. They would have been lit. Licked up in 2017.

She would have been chill. The one time, Kyrie was a hard person to know. It was the time he was with them. Yeah. Outside of that, carrie's been pretty dope. Pretty good friends. He's just had to run into a once-in-a-generation pandemic.

Once-in-a-lifetime. Once-in-a-lif circumstances. Once-in-a-lifetime, he was tripping moment. Won't happen again. Jimmy Butler and Carl Anthony Towns. Oh, lifelong enemies. Really? At this point, I think so.

You think Kat hates him? I think Jimmy might hate him. But Jimmy had a problem with him because he felt like he wasn't living up to potential. Now that he is living up to his potential and Jimmy's older wise, maybe he's proud of him now. Maybe he's like, I knew you could do this. But cat, I think it might, that's what I'm saying. It might be too late then. It might be like cats like, yo. I think Kat has dealt with too much his life to hold a garage against Jimmy Butler though. Yeah, but it's not like, I think it's probably in delete my number. You're right about that. It's not static both ways. I'm sure like Katz is very like

whatever about it these days. I think it might be right person wrong time. But then again, do you get to this place without that. Yeah, maybe Cat needed that moment a little bit. I bet if you ask Cat, he would say that moment taught me a lot. I want to interview Cat now, man. That's pop. Delete my number, probably. Yeah.

I kind of think. I don't think they're lifelong enemies. There's no tier for this because I think what this is, is a stepping stone relationship you needed to become a better person. So you know what? This specific version of them, it was doomed from the start. Okay. That version of Kat was never going to be what Jimmy Butler wants.

Yes. And Jimmy Butler was the exact type of person that Kat needed, but it was never going to work with Jimmy Butler. Yeah. He did Cat needed Jimmy Butler to break his heart so he could be a better partner for the next duo. It's a formative relationship. He needed Jimmy Butler to break his heart so Kat can be a good partner for Brunson. Okay. Stepping's time.

Yeah. He threw Bruns in a lob. LeBron and Kyrie Irving. You had a good run, TBH. I think this might be the definition of right person wrong time. Now that I'm saying that it's the second time Kyrie isn't right person. He's at a couple of bad times that

destroyed all-time great duels. But if he didn't have that moment where he felt like he had to get out of LeBron's shadow and then mature because of that, if he would have just like had that part of his maturation earlier before LeBron came, they could have had a long run together. Yeah, but.

And in fact, they wanted to get back together, but the Ness weren't trying to trade them to the Lakers. They wanted to have another run at it. I've argued it's actually doing from the start. They won together. They did. So that's why I do think we had to get good run.

You think he was doing from the start? Yeah, I think it's doing from the start. Because I don't know if y'all remember, Kyrie was, I think he got like an extension right before LeBron came. So he had this vision of like, yo, it's going to be my team. LeBron comes, becomes his thing now. And then, you know, that planted the seeds. Kyrie wins a championship.

He gets a taste of that championship, you know, win that ring. He's like, yeah, my own team now. Exactly. But that's why I think it's wrong time because I think Kyrie, post-Seltics, all this stuff when he's an older, more mature guy, he'd been a little. LeBron would have jive well together for a long time. True. I think it probably deserves to be in a good run, TBAH, because, like, they did win.

They faced through so many, they went through so many injuries and all that, too. And eventually all, all things break up. Who knows, who knows, like, maybe Kyrie would have faced other injuries or some other weird shit would have happened. Oh, so, good run. I guess it worked until it didn't. Yeah, sure. Ah.

I think, because, because once, once Kyrie looks a. round and it's like, oh no, I actually do need my team. He was out of there instantly. Yeah, I think you're right too because it is a meaningful toxic thing. Kyrie went on first take and talked about why he deserves his own team. That was some toxic as shit. So we can't do ropes into glasses and say we just had a good run. I think it worked until it didn't is fine. Okay. No delete my numbers yet. No real smoke yet. Interesting. DeAngelo and Nick Young. Oh, lifelong enemies. Lifelong enemies.

You could ever recover from that? You can't. Delo's just a snitch for life? You can't. Yeah. Because really, what are you doing? I still to this day can't understand why he would do that. Why did Delo feel the need to be like, I have to speak up?

Bro, what? You posted a story and snitched on him. It's NBA sincere. Nice. It just, it doesn't, it doesn't make sense. Like, even personally, or. Or, like, publicly. Yeah.

Why do you, why are you outing him like that? Yeah. Can't get over that. If you're Nick yelling, you can never respect him. You can be 45 years old. I'm never going to forgive you fully. Yeah, because I know the kind of person that you are. Yeah.

You're untrustworthy. Yeah. When there's a certain breed of untrusting this from a man, you just can't get over it. It's like you're just, I know who you are in your essence. Luca and Porzingis. Who delete my number? Delete my number. Yeah.

I don't know if they'll ever be lifelong in any. means because I think Porzingis, I remember I was watching an interview and he talked about how he was immature and he didn't want to just like stand in the corner and shoot he wanted to go back to his old ways and he like he admitted to himself like yeah I was just doing too much

mentally. Is that wrong person, is that right person wrong time though? Do you think is there any point in where Prisengis and him could have worked? Or do Prisengis only make those realizations that he doesn't need to act that way because the body started give it up on him and he couldn't want those touches anymore? Probably that and Lucas probably still like lose my number because he's like

Braves making all NBA first team. Yeah. I was playing by myself. I needed help. And you were standing in the corner not doing anything. I was humbled now I understand. That's a due problem. You should have been humbled from the jump. He's like, we could have built together.

We could have been something. You weren't 19. You were in year five when I got you. You should have been known this stuff. Yeah, true. So don't just delete my number. Yeah, now. Matt Barnes and Derek Fisher.

Oh, lifelong enemies. Lifelong enemies. Now, these ones aren't teammates, but we make a little exception. And I understand this. There's a lot of overlap. Wait, refresh my mind real quick. What happened? Don't worry about that.

I know what happened. Listen, this, obviously there's overlap here. But it's lifelong. If I see you, just know I don't message you. I'm around you because I have to. But not because I want to. Especially with the added wrinkles and their realities as grown men, it's lifelong smoke.

Lifelong. This is why the All the Smoke Podcasts, exist. I just made that up. Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris. I feel like lifelong. The problem is I don't think he really has a big problem with Tobias Harris, but Tobias Harris has to be an

op now because of what he represents for Jimmy. So it's really not even about Tobias, but he'll also never get over it. It's the concept of Tobias. Yeah, the concept of Tobias. We'll ring the bells. Tobias. For a long time. And that's why it's lifelong.

Jimmy's to think about the best chance he ever had at a ring. The best team he's ever been on playing with an MVP caliber player. What happened? How did I lose his opportunity? I could have been there for years. Batman. He looks up. Tobias is simply in the way.

It really wasn't even Tobias like that. But it is a lot of life long. I think that Jimmy will forever blame him. Whether right or wrong, he will be the fallback for Jimmy. It's wrong. but he'll still do it. This is just the 50 cent meme. Say fuck me for.

That's just going to be his lifelong enemy because of that. Imagine like him a lifelong off that you'd love. You adore. You didn't do shit to him but get paid. He just getting his money, man. Soon as quarter three. And this guy wants you're dead because of it. Yeah.

Tough. That's true. I guess it is. Chris Paul and Blake Griffin. They're cool now. They're cool now. I guess. I guess the end.

a good run. Yeah, or you say it worked until it didn't. Or it didn't really work because, like, they didn't win anything. Maybe right person, wrong time?

It was never a good time. No, there's never a good time to be a Chris Paul teammate, to be honest. He's always been the same guy. Yeah. So is that doing from the start?

I don't know. For a moment, it was delete my number. Yeah. But then they both got wronged by the same enemy. So then the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Yeah. So then they got, they got back together. Okay, so it was lose my number. But because the Clippers organization is so goddamn terrible, they forced them back into we had a good run to be honest

they are both clippers they were doomed from the start they're like literally cursed they played for the Los Angeles Clippers and that inherently makes you doom from the start yeah good point that's the smoking gun

Jordan and Pippin lifelong lifelong enemies at this point post post documentary Scotty Pippin has the biggest chip on his shoulder

to prove that 35 years ago, he was the man. And he's out here doing voiceovers and commercials you know, shading Michael Jordan. You got to get over that, my man. He won't. At this point of his life, he's not a young man.

He's going to have more years being bitter than years not being bitter in his life. That's a lifelong enemy. He's literally going to carry that to his grave. I just... So sad, man. You got the... It's sad, but it's kind of respectable. You have the Scotty and MJ dynamic

you have the Larsa dynamic and everything That's so weird Didn't even consider that Lifelong enemies Which is Which sucks for the greatest duo of all time I feel like it's one-sided though It's really just got it

It definitely is one-sided Yeah I don't know I feel like Well yeah yeah it'd be like that when You're the one being ripped off Making minimum wage while the other guys The most rich athlete in the country Datinga Primes

Yeah I'll be one-sided beef too What does MJ have to have an issue with? They said here's the thing They said that in the documentary. And Scotty said they told me not to take this deal. But I had people that I had to feed. So I took this deal. And so it was like, yo, you, you shouldn't have like put yourself in that position.

Let me put you in the mindset of someone who's been wronged. It doesn't matter if they understand why they were wronged. They were wrong seemingly. They're going to look past all that context. They might say, I understand the context. The emotions aren't going to change, though. He's a human end of the day. They said, listen, bro.

don't lock in on this 10 year deal I need it So the only lose my number is Luca and Porzingis Yeah I think Scotty's probably deleted Mike's number by now But so he's life on the guy's definitely deleted Mike's number right now I bet you Mike never saved his number That's true exactly Scottie said they never once went to dinner

And there's fucking eight years of dinner That's insanity They never went to dinner That's crazy Michael Jordan never saves Scott his number of days. Especially in the 90s. They didn't have cell phones

to save numbers like that. He might not save any numbers. Mike might just pick it up and be like, it's Mike. Somebody's screening his calls. He's only getting important people through. Mad he goes to school. Mike, what's up? Also, it's obviously

it's his life. It's his experience. Like, he knows what went on. I'm calling Cap. I'm sure you went to dinner. I'm sure you went to dinner. You right. He probably is telling him all this.

telling us all these stories to build up make us put in a day more. I'm sure they got a burger together one time. Maybe they got lunch. I kind of believe they never got it. It was early in the day. Yeah, just like it was after practice, let's go next door. I kind of believe they never made dinner plans. There was the video

of Mike pulling Scotty off the bus because they were going to go play golf like. True. They could have got golf and then or play golf and then got dinner. True, true, true. But he said they didn't apparently. And I kind of believe them. Keep in mind who's who Matt, who Michael Jordan was by the time Scottie got there. Michael Dord had already had five years of playoff runs

who he's averaging 35 points for a game, being black Jesus, being the Nike athlete. He was already Mr. Big Time by the time Scottie stepped into the league. He might have already been egoing him from day one. Maybe, but we can go to dinner. We can get a bite. They went to dinner, man. He just ain't counted.

Bro, he averaged 35 points in the playoffs and you're a rookie. Dinner for not getting dinner. Dinner for Scottie don't count until it was like, I don't know, 7 p.m. or something like that. It's only real weird with the times. Probably, but they are, I'm sticking on lifelong enemies.