The Deep 3 Podcast - Trying To Predict Every 2024 NBA Free Agency Move | TD3 Live

Episode Date: June 19, 2024

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We are live We are back We'll do a flood in Spamming their late like always I see it We are late We're one minute early if anything See they spam late but they never spam What's up with that?

Why don't I see crayons in the chat? That is true Find a new slant We did show up early That's an accomplishment for us We did it Lame ass Ugh

We finally did it What they're going to say now? Oh, my God. We did it. Disgusting. We have a lot to talk about, man. We have so much talking about. I love people flooding, but this is going to be a fun stream.

Oh, there's the crayons. Okay, who will finally spamming crayons? I like to see that more than, more than like to see late. Nice. We know who we are. A lot of self-expans in early. I'm seeing a lot of Clovers. Okay.

Listen, we've talked a lot of shit to the self-expans. So this is their day. Go ahead. Span the Clovers. This is going to be the last stream But they'll be able to spame Clovers Because after this, I am nerfing that in the chat And no one will be able to social

We're muting the Clover emoji So go ahead and get your Clovers out Get all your green out, fellas, you deserve it I'm seeing Clovers and I'm seeing Tatum Slander Which is just microcosm of NBA Twitter And people are asking if Tatum's top seven We didn't talk about it They didn't even take us on the dinner first

They just slid right in They just immediately Tatum Slander I just have the debates. It just went straight to it. All right. So what are we going to be talking about today in this jumbo pack stream? Man, listen, we're going to talk with the finals.

We're going to talk about the Boston Celtics. We're going to dive deep into the, you know, looking back on the season. What does this mean for the Celtics? What does it mean for the league? Everyone's legacies, all that shit. We're going to do that, have the full NBA finals wrap-up conversation. And unlike you guys see about the title, at the end of the stream, well, I'm not not going to say at the end, about halfway through.

We're going to talk free agency. Because by the time the next episode comes around, we're not going to be talking about it. So today's going to be the time where we preview all the biggest free agents. We predict where we think they're going to go. We talk about where we want them to go, all that. We're going to have you guys a vote on what you guys think. Oh. All right.

Let's say you to take that fucking shycy off. What'd you say? They're all telling you to take that fucking shycy off. Why would I listen to them? They don't know shit. They don't know what I've been through. They don't know what I've been experiencing over the last six, seven days. It's almost been a week now since I got this hair.

since I've been traumatized. No, it's literally been a week. Damn. Everyone's saying, take it off. This is a crazy connotation going on in the chat. I got to get a mean don't know to take it off. I ain't going to why to you. How much money isn't taking it?

Take it off? Let's see what is sent and then we can talk. I talk to cash. Sorry, buddy. You can take that personally. Relax. Relax. Relax.

I don't want to actually do it. Listen, understand. Understand, though, right? He has a du wreck under the shysty. Shut up. Why are you blowing up the pot? Because he's going to try and play. You play you. He's a scammer. He's from Atlanta. This is what they do. Understand what you have to get done, right?

Just like that, like clockwork. Kevin Gallagickey tips $25. He said that was the hardest game to watch ever. Now I'm happy to have the stress over of the Celtics until November. Listen, Kevin Gluckie was one of our most vocal Celtics fans in the chat. Gets is your day to celebrate. He let us know, literally, since the start of this series, that they were coming and they were going to go in and win this title handedly. Congratulations to you, Kevin Gillickey. You deserve it. Listen. Listen, Kevin said, Brady, he's going to celebrate with the Celtics. He's going over the likes.

Lucas Gene, the chat said, Mo, you got no ops. Mo? How do you respond? You don't know me. All right, let's talk about this finals. As you guys know, the Boston Celtics are now champions. You know, it was not unexpected, right? coming to the series coming to the playoffs coming into the season they were the best team and early in the year we had our concerns coming off the last season you know naturally we've seen the suffix be at this highest point so many times and fail for various reasons the whole tone coming into the year was you got to prove it to me by week three this season they had proved that shit i think i think they had proved that shit i think we all knew they were the team to beat the playoffs came around they stomped straight through like they should how are you feeling about this team now and when you think back on how you view them all year

I mean, it's a little bit different. I mean, listen, they are who I thought that they were. I picked the Celtics from the moment they got through Holiday. I jumped from the Bucks bandwagon to the Celtics, and I said that they were going to win the chip, right? Like, they added a dimension getting KP. I mean, I was all in on the bucks. I was all in on the bucks, though.

Yeah. They added a different dimension with KP being there. And then they said, we got rid of Marcus Smart to go get Christop's Pozingis. What if we just add a better version of Mark? Mark is smart to our team. So, like, they fulfilled basically everything that I asked of them as a team, right? The team accomplished everything that I asked of them. And they were dominant from start to finish.

They deserve all the credit in the world. Brad Stevens deserves all the credit in the world. Joe Missoula, he stepped up this year in ways that he, you know, had some deficiencies last year. Everybody took a step forward and they were completely locked in. they did everything and it pays off they're not champions and so they get to they get to brag about it for the next nine months hey mo philly loving ginger tipped 150 dollars and he said take it off is that a no bro you got you don't even have 150 likes in this stream i go lie to you bro philly loving ginger might be our most breded fan i think he might have taken kevin gillic

spot i think he he's been really concessing over the past weeks i think he needs to get these flowers He really has. Come on, friend. Take the Shitekeel. Shout out to Philly. We just started streaming like 10 minutes ago. What the hell? How do you feel about the Celtics now, Mo?

Because you were the biggest Celtics hitter amongst all of us. Are you going to leave him hanging? Who, Philly? Listen. Yeah. Listen, listen, listen, listen. I live in D.C. now. Things are really expensive, guys.

All right? Things are really expensive. Red is crazy. I bought kombucha the other day and it was $7. $7 for a little can. They're spam and take it off. I see Juan John in the chat, Peter Ryan,

Grant Bergman, they're all spamming, take it off. Listen, I'll take it off. Once we reach 200,000, 2,000 likes in this stream, I'll take it off. I don't even need the money. 2,000 likes, all right. 2,000 likes. It's possible.

It's possible. But to get back to where we were talking, about um i remember me and i think were like we had a super heavy stance on just like uh like yeah adding drew holidays nice christos przingis obviously gives them like donovan said another dimension another element a whole other dynamic because he's just one of the best big man shooters that we have today in general um but there's it all comes down to your best two best players in jason tatum and jalen brown and i did not believe in them until Jason Tatum would make another evolution in his game.

And that evolution was obviously like his passing and his ability to change the game in a dynamic way that's not involved in his passing and not involved in his shooting. You know? For sure. So I'm going to take it off. But we can have to, y'all don't have to run up the likes.

I don't even need the money. Yeah, as I was with you, they made these moves to get Chris Tops and Drew Holiday. And, you know, I should rewind a little bit. After last year, I was fully on the board of that. I don't think Jason Tatum and Jaylon Brown were able to win a championship as currently constructed last season. Because I was like, listen, neither one of them are S-year playmakers, like you said, Mo. Neither one of them are really great passers.

They both, I think, should be secondary wings playing off of a great on-ball passer. I felt that way, and I was like, I don't know how you fix that without either trading Jaylin or trading Marcus Smart and finding a great passer to. put next to him. I was like one of those things has to happen. They traded smart, but to get K.P. and Drew Holiday after all these moves. And I was like, neither of those guys are elite passers. My problem still isn't fixed. So I was like, obviously they're better now. They're going to be no more talented. But I still have the same issue I had to begin with. So I don't know if I can fully bind to them as being unbeatable. And then Drew, not Drew Holiday. And then Jason

Tatum turned into a great pass first point forward. And then Jalen Brown became a down downhill demon getting to the rim, just, they both developed in the perfect way to complement each other. So now at this point where I don't feel like they have congruent skill sets at all. I don't feel like they have overlap. I feel like they each other so perfectly in a way that we didn't feel the way last year. So not only did Brett Stevens answer the question by making the roster incredibly talented, Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum made fantastic individual leaps in this point of their careers,

and I feel like that they deserve the most credit. Yeah, absolutely. I 10010% agree. Like how this roster is built from head to toe, really the first like six, seven, shout out to Samhouser, I guess. Every single one of these guys can play in any position imaginable. You can't run off Drew Holiday Tatum, Porzingis, Derek White, off of the court whatsoever. You know, maybe once in a while you can pick on a hofer,

but if he's like the guy that you have to pick on, it's like, it's kind of looking like a tough scene. And so with that being said, I give the most credit to Brad Stevens. and I guess part to him to Danny Ains for putting Brad Stevens this position. What are you laughing at, Isaac? I got you on the big screen and the chat is going crazy, take it off.

Give me my likes and I'll take it off. What do they not understand? Like Crown Eaters, this is like King Crown Eater coming to you right now. Run us the likes. We have 800 people watching the stream right now and only 389 of y'all liked it up. It's embarrassing.

How are you going to ask me to do someone? and you can't even do what I do what I tell you to do. I don't know. Yeah, so, obviously, I didn't want to something to win the championship. I was heavily room for Luca Donchich. And when our predictions episode, I was like, listen, my brain says something you're winning, but I'm rolling with the mask. I want them to win so bad.

I want to see Luca have this moment. Didn't go that way at all. So I was very disappointed for the first two games, but I said it on the last trim, I think. Happened through the series, I said my flip switched to me, I was like, we're just witnessing such a dominant team that all I can do is appreciate this shit because they are so good, so, not even just, it's hard to explain because it's in a way that I find just like, you got to feel happy for them because it's not that they're just winning with a super team, right?

They didn't go out and trade for Anthony Davis and sign a LeBron James and immediately build a great team. They didn't go out and just put together unbeatable talent at the top that makes them clearly the winners. They did it, quote, unquote, the right way, playing the right style, heavily team. teamwork, heavily unselfish, stuck by their guys through everybody, including me, you, and you

saying they should break it up. They stuck with it and built it in the most organic way possible with making all the right moves. They had a very low point a couple years ago where it looked like they were cooked. They did a quasi-reboat halfway through, got back to contender status. Like all the storylines

as you really think about it and take away the fuck Boston hate, you got to be happy for him. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It literally reminds me a life, dude. Like all the ebbs and flows. I remember way back, and they had an opportunity to trade for guys like Blake Griffin, Anthony Davis, of course, Jimmy Butler, like any high level, highly tired of dude, Anthony Davis as well.

Like, he was in those rumors, and they were contemplating, trading one of those, one of the Js as well at that point in time. They could have easily done that. We love, as humans today, we just love shit instantly. Instac gratification is like the biggest thing, you know what I'm saying? Like, our brains don't function as they used to anymore. Why is, Domain, why are you gritting? What are you thinking about it? Yeah, why are you laughing at?

Ma, are you spitting on yourself? Like, the mouth area on your shy seat is just getting mad wet. Now, listen, I spilled my drink on my lips when I was drinking it. Since we got on the stream, it looks like you're just spitting on yourself by talking. I was thinking the same thing. I promise you I was not spitting on myself. Let me defend myself for two seconds. Last podcast drink.

Hello, I'm so high-rated. So high-grated. They said, Mo is wet. wet in the set. They're saying Mo's wet. And I don't have my straw on me. Okay, that's crazy. Spam Mo is wet. This is what happens when I don't have my straw on me, bro. While do you spam in Mo is wet? Go ahead and stay him the left. Because we have five hundred people or five hundred likes in here right now. And I'll end up to $10. He said ESPN was dead set on ruling the finals this year. Stephen A. Smith is determined to make everything about him. The IST felt more special than this. Yeah, go ahead and check. I have many thoughts on that. I guess you don't have to make this. Fuck ESPN stream. But check my Twitter. I have many thoughts on this. what'd you say sum it up for us now they hear nor there shout to Kevin Gallickey

we're tipping $25 he said can we talk about my half court short king Peyton Pritchard and also there is a new king PLG I don't know what that means but yeah Peyton Pritcher is the first

gadget player in the NBA somebody say he's the first special teams player in the NBA thanks and shout to Harold and Maude for tipping $10 he said

the Boston ring is on par with Pearl Harbor just wait until Indiana I guess Brandon Ingram, though. Then we'll see the new best mid three. Nice. Okay. How do you feel about the Celtics?

And, you know, you're a hater at heart, but you don't necessarily hate Jason Taylor. Actually, you know why, you do hate them. Okay. How do you feel about the Celtics? No, I don't. I don't. I hate them as a Knicks fan, but like, as an entity and just, you know, as them being themselves, I don't hate them.

I hate some of the discourse, and I have participated in it, but it's, regardless, Here's how I feel, right? One, obviously, the Celtics mad dominant. They deserve everything. Two, I'm very happy for Jalen Brown. Just because at this point last year, we were all making jokes that he couldn't go left. And how even though that we know that his contract in two years is going to look fine because of the cap spike and it's going to be okay, we're like, oh, he's the first $300 million man. Like Jalen Brown is the guy that you're giving all this money to.

and he's had a lot of talk going his way, and he's always been the one that is coming up in trade talks. And now he's standing today, and he has the finals MVP. So shout out to Jalen Brown. Shout out Drew Holiday, gets cast away by the bucks. They say, yeah, we have to go in a different direction. And Drew Holiday for half the series was in the finals MVP conversation, right? Derek White, everybody's favorite underrated player, he gets a championship.

Al Horford, who's been playing for 55 years now. which is crazy because he's only 38 he is now a champion so like everybody gets what they deserved in this run and at the same time we also get what we deserve because now we have a whole summer of Jason Tatum combos because he did not get finals MVP and had a very up and down performance and so now the Celtics can win the championship we know that the best team won the title and we still get months of content arguing about something that we will never have a legitimate The answer to you. I'm not going to lie.

The second that they announced Jalen Brown winning finals MVP, I jumped up and down as if I won the lottery, Brad. That hater of me just couldn't get in it. I don't know why. And I jumped up and down, yes, like that. I was like, holy, dude, I was watching Beasol's video after, and he was reacting to what, Legend of Winning when they were streaming live, they were just like you. As soon as Jaylon Brown got announced, he was like, ah, like you know to the mic for two minutes.

because listen everybody hates the Celtics and you can't say shit because they're so dominant so what you got to do is you got to pick a target and that target is Jason Tatum we'll slander him because we can't slander the team that's what Twitter's devolved into he's like the new Russell Westbrook except he's on a team that wins

and I mean that like not like no he's not similar to player at all but I mean in terms of everything he does is discourse he is just a nonstop pile of debate no matter what he does it will be debated that he's taking that because Russell Westbrook is relevant now

sadly he knows twilight of his career yeah we need somebody that will be an eternal punching bag in the NBA discourse because we're a toxic toxic people and that's become Jason Tatum but it's like okay but so Jason Tatum is the basketball equivalent of like 2012 Joe Flacco and that's so fucking one of like 2012 Joe Flacko and 20 no I'm saying all all we're saying is like the conversation around Flacco was always like Is he elite? Is he not? That type stuff. And with Tatum, it's like, is he top five? Is he not? Like, that's a great conversation, though. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. But it's, it's, it's that. And then it's 22 Russell Wilson, where every time you see him on

social media, you're like, bro, but why do you have to act this way? Why do you have to be like this? Like the, the tour that he went on last night, mind you, he is saying all the first things that come to his mind. He just won a championship, right? I know that there's some level of planning of like, oh, I can't wait until I win. I'm going to say this, this and this. But to go down the line and take everybody's catchphrases is kind of wild. He was doing the Steph Curry where he's banger hunting, looking for a viral clip. You know, Steph Curry was winning his ship every five seconds. He was doing all this stuff. Every time Steph Curry does anything he looks to the nearest camera and just does some kind of fucking facial expression, Jason Tatum learned from that

And he was in the same thing all night last night looking for that viral clip. And Jalen Brown was, at the end of the game, the whole second half was a blowout. Jalen fucking Brown was banger hunting. There was one time he got a jumpoff bass under the rim. He tried to slam on Derek lively like he's shack on his standing dunk. There was a three minutes. I know exactly what you're talking about. There was a three minute stretch where Jalen Brown took like four shots, right?

His field goal percentage was already like why he had he gone three or four, field goal percentage for the night would have been good he probably could have solidified it right now and at the time he missed all four shots at the time I tweeted out I was like yeah it's a bad judge by Jalen Brown he might have just lost the finals MVP but listen I'm I'm glad

for Jalen in that sense because I'm glad that people did give him the recognition because I do think that he was the finals MVP I think that him having the 31 point game and having like the closing moments in game three I think him guarding Lucas and being the primary defender on Luca for the entire series,

picking up Luca for a majority of the court, having that defensive assignment. I think that that means a lot. Obviously, Jason had his moments and had his struggle shooting the ball and had a very, very good closing game. I think the closing game was more window dressing to the rest of his series rather than Jalen Brown. I'm going to be completely honest with you here.

Even though I'm so happy that Jalen Brown won it, again Atlanta runs the league surprise surprise shut up we all knew this shut up but jason tatum's job is a lot harder and one of these guys had to devolve and evolve evolve into like uh better than average passer and that's just simply not jalen brown's game whatsoever he's a slash to the score and he knows how to get buckets in a bruising way and jason satem can do that but his ceilings is naturally higher as a player because he's just naturally be more talented. And for him to go out on average, I think he put up like 12 assists last night and a couple of games before that putting up 11 assists. And to just make that leap as a visionary

on offense, I think he probably deserved it more. I think he was a more valuable player because of all the other ways that he was doing it. But also getting buckets at the end of the day too in Gardner, it's over valuable too. But I just think Jason James job was harder. Chad, who's your fond of the VP? I tweeted about it. Listen, I like Julian Brown a lot, so I was happy for him. I was happy that he ducked the slander that came with his contract and had this moment. I was like, good for him. I like him more than Jaylon Brown. I mean, Jason Tatum, so I was

like, I'm not mad about it. If I was a voter, I would have picked Jason Tatum pretty easily. Not to say it's a huge margin. Like, they're close, but I wouldn't have had a hard time saying that Jason Brown was more, that Jason Tatum is more valuable. I feel like the main reason to pick Jay's, uh, the Jays are

fucking me up all stream. The main reason to pick Jaylon Brown, I think, is you decided after game three. You just immediately decide of that first impression of the series, and then your mind was already made up because a series was the wraps. And I get that. He had the moments. He defended really well. The whole team did, including Jason Tatum, whose defense was just as important, if not more, that his ability to guard fives and shut down their pick and rolls by switching was the most valuable part of their entire defense to me. And obviously the playmaking, dealing with the double teams,

keeping the offense moving. He averaged, I haven't pulled up, but about two in every statistical category more. Jalen Brown had a 54% true shooting, Jason Tatum 51. So, you know, Jason Tatum was chucking a little bit, wasn't very efficient. We know that. That's honestly the main reason why Jalen Brown won. But I feel pretty safe saying that what Jason Tatum brought was when talking about a more valuable player, I find it pretty easy. Yeah, I don't like using the true shooting argument like that, though, because that's where, like, the free throw percentages is like, I weigh almost everything, you know? Well, it better.

Those are points? Yeah, it's better. But, like, we all, the only reason why it's higher is because he's a way better free throw shooter, which is like, you know, shots to him. all that but wait what do you yeah i'm not yeah i'm not like i'm not taking this finals MVP and i'm not going to do what some people are going to do and they're going to run with this and be like see i told you like jalen brown he's been the better player like i'm not saying that at all right i'm saying just specifically in this series and i think that obviously like you have the the game from last night and tatum finally had a good efficient game and he was scoring he was getting buckets and

there was a he had a turnaround uh towards the end of the game where like bounced super high off the room and went in and i was like okay he he got it right and you can see their percentages moving for the series of real time with the amount because they were both chucking they were both going for it and trying to like put the nail in the coffin but part of this is expectations for a hundred a lot of it is a lot of it is expectations and so it it is unfair to ask Tatum to go and be Luca. It's unfair for you to ask of him to go and, you know, score this 30, 30, 10 and 10 triple double on like 60% true shooting.

And I'm, and I'm never asking of that of Tatum. But for a majority of the series, Tatum did play and specifically shot worse than his standards. And I, and I've seen him play, uh, it was a five game series. And in a majority of those games, he was not himself. He was lower than the standards that he has set for himself, where I do not feel the same as Jaylon Brown. And you guys say, like, yeah, like his passing and his movement and his facilitation of the offense was very important. That's great.

I think that his passing in this series, we talk a lot about it when we talk about, like, Luca versus Trey in terms of their passing where, like, Trey is more reactive. And he's not necessarily, like, you know, creating things out of nothing. the way that like a luka can or yokech can or stuff like that and i think that for tatum the leap and him taking what the defense gives him that is much much needed for everything that the celtics need to do but i don't think that it's like oh my gosh he became one of like the 10 best passes in the world like i i don't i don't yeah i don't think of it in that way and so i think that him taking that leap is nice but i do think that jalen brown was able to contribute a lot and pick and pick up some of the slack where

Tatum wasn't necessarily not efficient either you said Jaylen Brown didn't shoot below his expectations while Jason Tatum did

they both had below average shooting efficiency like it's not like Jaylen Brown lit it up like I would understand that

if it was clear as day one guy struggled from the field one guy was just a goon neither one of them shot super well

for the series I say this I'll say this though real quick I'll say this I don't care right I'm looking at this

as like a four game sample size I don't care at all what happened in game four. That was a blowout. Tatum could have scored 20. He could have scored 9. Jalen Brown could have scored 30 and they got B-Bar 40.

Listen, man, it is what it is. You just have to charge that one to the game. Did you know that the maps aren't getting swept? I'm looking at this in the four actual games that this was like a series that you guys are actually out here on the floor. I think that in those four games, Jalen Brown played better than Jason Tater. I mean, if you just, if you just, if you, something else said to that game that Jaylon, Jason Tam does well, doesn't matter. Then, okay, sure. I mean, he, let me follow up on that. The passing doesn't matter. The game he shot well doesn't matter. You just don't want to give us Jason Tatum. You can just write off. No, no. I just, I just said game five. I just said game five matters. Game three, Jason, uh, Jason Tatum played well, right? And he also scored, score 30 as well. But game four, game four doesn't matter. They got beat. They were this close to lose. losing by the biggest margin in NBA finals history.

Like that game is more about like the Mavericks and their defensive intensity and them doing all this. But you knew there was no way that Dallas was going to keep that up for the rest of the series. They were just not going to be embarrassed and go out on the home floor. Good for you guys. But in the four games that you guys were actually here to play, no, I think Jalen played better.

Jalen played better through his standards and expectation. I think Jalen Brown is better at being a number two option than, Jason Tatum is being at better, being at number one option. You know what I mean? And then all that comes down to is like expectations. You think that's wrong? No, I said, you got to start in your role. Jaylon Brown, Jane and Brown did that.

I think Jason Tatum for a majority. 25 and 5 on, he's a little bit more efficient, but he didn't light it up either. Like this is for, yes, if he starred in his role, really went crazy to understand, but we understand that Jason Tatum's role, especially the way Dallas chose to defend him. Not every team would defend him, but the way Dallas chose to defend him made him inherently more valuable and he performed close enough better in many ways that I feel like it's pretty obvious who was contributing to winning more. I walked away from a majority of these games, understanding what Tatum was doing and understanding, hey, good for you that even though that

you are shooting like trash, you're still impacting the game. That's awesome. And I'm glad that you are at a point in your career where you can do that because if he, if this was last year or if this was in 2022 you saw this he wasn't able to make these plays to keep the Celtics in there that's great for your development and i hope that there's a chapter on it in your autobiography fantastic but i walked away from a lot of these games looking at jason tatum and saying dang man like you just weren't that great tonight like you just you just weren't you just weren't awesome and when i'm walking away from these games i'm like hey it's kind of disappointed i'm not i can't i can't give you final so what you're saying is is is why

he won, why a lot of the voters, a lot of the ESPN voters picked him, because if you look at it on the most very surface level, do you get positive emotions watching Jalen Brown in his role, and you get negative emotions watching Jason Tatum in his role, because on the surface, it looks like he's playing poorly. But if you think about it for 30 seconds, you start

to realize the context that goes with that, like, it just feels very emotional and easy to say that Jason Tatum was so ass and Jalen Brown just lit it up. I'm not saying, I'm not saying he was trash. most people are not you i get it but he wasn't he wasn't he wasn't jaylor he wasn't uh jennie brown

that's that's all i'm saying if you if jalen brown was tasked to be a facilitator they would i don't want to say they would lose this series necessarily but this bitch will be going to like and they might actually like fucking lose you know what i'm saying yeah and if kairie decided to play like kairie played last series and he was scoring then maybe the maps would have had a chance if curse out sports things we could do the if game all day about like if this situation if that situation and that's fine and mind you the game four that you are saying that oh you're going to throw out the one game that taiton played well jason tatum scored 15 points on four of ten shooting jane and brown scored 10 points on three of 12 shooting i wasn't sure i missed i didn't mean to say jason tain

played super well but jaylon brown stunk it up and a big reason they went in that early first quarter they both stunk it up the first quarter if i remember correctly jason Tayton played fine. Everybody else was bricks. It was crazy. It was him versus the world for the first quarter and the avalanche just came. That matters. Jason Brown did not play good for the last two games, like particularly well at all.

And it doesn't matter because everyone made up their mind after game three. Because you have to get, you have to throw game four out. Everybody sucked. Everybody sucks. Everybody's like shit at the end of the day. Who cares? I don't know. Game four should decide it for Tadon. I don't know what was my point at all, but it was like

we, you throw away Jaylon's biggest low because like ah they're all lows whatever when he was a huge reason of why that avalanche happened you know why hayton pritchard and sam house most field goals in game four i'm throwing the game away it does not matter it does not matter that that's not the point at all so that's fine that game whether or not we throw the game away is not the deciding factor at all so that's fine Jason Dailon brown has to have one of the best jobs the entire NBA bro you can it doesn't matter what you really doing anything great bro they're saying that you the best best player on the team anything poor no one's bad in the IT whatsoever last year in the

eastern conference finals bro when jason tato went down with ankle injury and clearly wasn't himself when he needed to step up and be the second option that he gets you know that he's supposed to be doesn't show up and no one says a fucking peep whatsoever and everyone just oh miami voodoo and damn distant tatum hurt whatever cool but jane brown walks up with no blood on his hands best job in the world yeah and then again i don't have a huge problem it's a close margin so I don't think it's like highway robbery that Jalen won. I just think the reasons we get there and we slander Tatum, like you said,

as guys have both said, it's all about expectations. And I just feel like we give him such a hard time because he's disappointing to us and what we hope he can be, that we just like let that make us like not see reality and we pull them back a little bit too much for it. But like I said, it's close. So I don't think it's the same.

It's not as bad as like 2015. It's emotions. Jaylon Brown or Jason Tatum has the lure behind when to Duke, number three overall pick. Drafted by the Boston Celtics, bro. He's supposed to be an all-time great, and he's not doing all-time great things.

So I understand why people are upset. He's just great. Boo-hoo. You know? 100% emotion. Okay, let's look forward to next year. Chat, do you guys think that the Celtics have it in them to win another chip? Do you, if the series start, next series,

I can't talk today. If next season were to start today, would you assume the Celtors are going back to back? Hmm. I think that's a first thing. they deserve that right you're not no they don't why not they i don't think they i don't think they they deserve that right now you can you can pick them and i wouldn't bat and i but i don't think that at this point it is boston or the field and i think that the the nuggets last year

and specifically like their performance uh this season really really solidified for me like it's probably going to be a while till we see somebody go go back to back. It's, I've been, I've, I thought that the bucks were going to do it. I thought the nuggets were going to do it. And it hasn't happened yet. It hasn't happened in a while, obviously, since the Warriors and everything like that. But the level that the league is at to expect that somebody's going to go back to back

is very, very hard. It's so many good teams, so many good players. Stuff happens. Crazy injuries happen. So I'm not going to do that. And once again, this is my first. reaction. This is my first instinct, and I reserve the right to change it all the way up until the season starts. But as right now, it's heading on shit. Not for the summer. Not for the

summer. Right now, the Oklahoma City Thunder will win the championship next season. Oh. Woo! Damn. That's a prediction. That's a take. The Thunder are going to win the championship, obviously, unless they play the New York next. But if they don't, but if they don't, the Thunder are going to win. I think that Shea was fantastic in these playoffs. I think that we're going to see the same way that we saw Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum take their lumps and grow from their experiences. J-dub and Chet Holmgren, you guys are going to do that.

I think that Sam Presti is smart enough to know that man who wears number three, he can't be on this team by the next playoff run. And we for sure won't replace them with Gordon Hayward. They're going to upgrade at that position, and they probably will upgrade at the backup center position, which is something that we all talked about all season long that they needed to address. I think the Thunder do it. I think that all those pieces, everything falls in line, and they're going to be able to get it done because of obviously Shea and him being an amazing player.

And then also their versatility, their defensive intensity, and their ability to guard people on the perimeter and also stretch out defenses with their five-out offense. So I'm going with the thunder right now. I respect that. You mentioned that no team has gone back to back in a while, and there's been a lot of talk on Twitter about this whole parody age of the NBA, what does it mean? It's just going to be what's like forever.

I think a lot of the overreaction, right? This happens in history of a sport. There's periods between all-time great teams where shit happens. These type of things have decided by such raised within margins that, listen, the Celtics should have been in three finals in a row if they didn't fucking troll last year against. the heat and lose to a team they had no business losing two in seven, they're staring at three finals in a row in the face right now. And the reason we haven't seen any of these teams

go back to back is because none of them have been all-time great teams. They've been good enough to win. They've been a lot of other teams they've gone against. I've been good enough to get there, like the Mabbs. But none of these are teams we look at and say these are some of the most dominant teams of all time. Celtics are. And the most dominant teams of all times typically make more than one finals. And they were already on pace to make three in a row without being this great with KP and Drew Holiday. I find it pretty safe, not safe, because, you know, anything can happen, like I said, all this is raised within margins.

I don't think it's crazy to imagine them back in the finals next year by any means, and if they're there, of course, they can win it again. So do you call a team all-time if they make the finals or win the finals? They have to win. I'm saying it's not one of the greatest champions of all-time. And this is, whatever that line is, right, this is like a truly special all-time team. On the pod this week, we're going to do our tier list. I'm going to want to put them in another probably A-tier or something like that, right?

they are up there. They are 2014 spurter status, one of the better teams we've seen of our fandom lifetimes. The other teams like this, the Nuggets and Lakers are probably the other two best at the last 10 years,

or the last five years, whatever. They're not, you know, that dominant all time, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So this is a different caliber teams, all I'm saying.

So I have different expectations based on what previous champions did. Yeah, I can 110% understand that. For sure. Most of you won't be able to wrap their head around it because their mind is plagued with hate and be like, a Jason Tatum-led team is all-time, what?

Hogwash, my ass. I understand it. Yeah, I understand. And I can agree with that line, I think of for sure. Yeah, well, the thing is, they're so good and an all-time great that they can let Jason Tatum be their best player because they're that fucking nice from 1-6.

So, like, you can say that it's not impressive because they don't have an top-tier player. I think it's more impressive that they can be so dominant without that. Yeah, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. I told these guys to get us to 2,000 likes, and they're running this shit up right now. We're nearing 1,000 right now already,

and we're not even, like, 40 minutes into the stream. Y'all relax a little bit. Don't like this stream. In fact, let me block some of y'all. Kick y'all out. They want to see you take it off. You heard him. Let me read some donations real quick.

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That would be disgusting. He averts like 11 points and he played in like three games. Shout to Matthew for tipping $30. He said, enter the off season. What is the most disgusting narrative each of you plan on pushing? Ooh.

Your OKC narrative was not really disgusting, Donovan. I don't know. It's not, it's not nasty. What, y'all are going to hate it when I tell you guys that, uh, that Jalen Brunson's better than Jason Tatum, but that's, that's, that's about it. See,

He just loved the points for game. Yeah, it's hard to talk about that because there's just so much, if Jalen Brunce is not fucking putting the ball in the basket, then what else is he going to do? He's not going to rebound. He's not going to play me. Hey, that sucks. Too bad he does put the ball in the basket.

Like, oh, dang, that's tragic. How well that work? Yeah. Oh, yeah, when he broke his hand, yeah. Well, before that. Yeah, he's dying for the cause. Good job. I don't know, man.

I don't know. I don't know, I can, you can tell me that they're in the same tier, but I will not fully agree that, like, Tatum, or that Brunson is a straight up better off-rep. You know? Donovan's not actually going to rank Jason Brunson that high. Don't let him fool you. When he comes out, he actually will.

When he makes a list and he has to put his name on it and answer to the people and explain why he thinks Jalen Brown's a sixth best player in the world, he's not doing it. Yeah, Jeline Brunson. You're not putting him at number seven or whatever. Listen, if we want to get into hypotheticals, listen you put you put jana brunceau on this team 82 wins

they'd be just as good there's no drop on well I don't know so I find Jason tate him so weird because like the scoring is obviously not good his he's huge and his ability to play huge and guard these centers and be like a power forward that can like defend the rim legitimately defend the perimeter play point guard like that's so versatile

and valuable that I'm gonna have a hard time deciding how to rank that against people that are like more impressive one-on-on-on-off one physical scores or whatever you know yeah no he does listen he he he does play uh to his i saw a tweet yesterday with like when jason tatum finally decides finally like remembers that he's six eight and it's a it's like a michael jordan highlight clip and i feel like on defense tatum definitely knows how to utilize his size and he can play above himself but there's sometimes where he doesn't necessarily use his size to his advantage which is really crazy

because in the first part of this series I thought that he actually did a very good job shooting percentage aside. I think that this series was a very good example of Tatum putting his head down and being able to get to the rim. I feel like there were just a lot of games where he were just missing layups.

But in terms of just getting there, I feel like this was one of the better showings that we've seen from Tatum in that aspect. Yeah. Shout out to Anon for tipping 10 more dollars. He said, you skip the most important part. Shout out Uncle Horford for finally getting a chip. Is he a Hall of Famer with this on his resume? He was a Hall of Famer without the ring.

College? Yeah, it's the basketball Hall of Fame. He's a key piece of a back-to-back national champion. He's been in the league forever. All-MBA status. You know, he's been a multiple-time all-star. He was going to be a Hall of Famer. Yeah, probably.

How Horford might go. I love it. This makes him first ballot, though. Oh, first ballot, nice. Listen, we're going to talk about the finals more on the coming pot episode on Friday when we're going to rank this team versus NBA history and stuff. Now, we're going to shift

41 minutes into the stream to what the title is about. Let's talk NBA free agency. Because listen, it's starting very soon. End of next week. We're going to be in it. We're not going to have an episode dedicated to this. I think today is the day. We're going to, with you guys, chat, you're going to help us predict every single free agency

signing of the ones that are relevant that we care about. So we've got like 10 names to talk through. Yeah, let's talk through a mix of what we think will happen and what we want to happen. All right. Let's start with Clay Thompson. Clay Thompson has done the typical thing where his agent says, unfollow all your teammates, unfollow the organization, use our leverage, make him think you're going to leave.

He's ghosting the hell out of the Warriors. Do you think Clay Thompson's leaving the Warriors? Chat, where do you think he's in a sign? I can't see it. Really? I, I, I, I know I know that all the smoke is there

and how okay deep down I think I probably do know that he's leaving I just don't want to admit it yet because I don't want to see like this trio be broken up yet but it's the writing was on the wall and it was something that I had been calling for basically all year long so yeah

Clay Thompson is probably gone and you guys there's a lot of talk about him to like the Orlando magic I don't see it that way because I think that the magic are going to go after somebody who is also on our list later, so I'll save him for that.

But Clay Thompson has, he's going to have a lot of suitors and he's going to get a bag. Unfortunately, I think the team giving him the bag is going to make a massive mistake, giving him a bag. I think so.

So he's apparently, he wants a three-year contract per leeks, we'll see, but you can assume to hold up to him and the Warriors is a length of deal, right? They're probably willing to give him

a one or two-year deal for a good number, but they're not going to want to commit years to a guy who's already looking a little shaky. Mo, if you were one of these teams, would you do that? Would you give Clay Thompson three years, $75 million, $25 a year? You have to be a very specific type of team

in order to do this. A team that's okay with the struggles, with accepting the struggles that you've seen Clay Thompson go through over the last, over the past two years, really. And if I'm a team like what I've been prefaced before, the Orlando Magic, I'm 110% okay with that

because your team doesn't have championship expectations you just need a good, nice key piece to go ahead and get you guys over a certain hump, you know? And teams like Yolando Magic around that stage aren't in their path to development, sure,

go ahead and do so. You know, I think that's a great fit. I think another team too, I don't think it will happen because of the bodies and this team's already pretty much loaded in terms of who they have on the wing but um if a team like the new warrants pelican some shit went wrong and that and brandon ends up going or they do some idiotic moronic thing with herb jones or whatever which they nearly did earlier this season um he could be a okay fit there as oh because of

naturally the spacing it wasn't utah jazz who knows if they want if they got bored and wanted to go ahead and throw a bag great job that's a great fit over there the Utah jazz on a bag of Clay Thompson is the most ridiculous than I've ever heard. Like, not to say that you're wrong. Like, it's crazy, but just like those words in that order. What the fuck?

Clay Thompson and Utah. I don't want to, ugh. Yuck. Obviously, the 70s are going to have a lot of money. They have Buddy Hill now. They can let him walk. Bring in who Buddy Hill has always wanted to be. No.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. That would be a terrible situation for everybody involved. Really? it would be so bad the Clay Thompson at this point and this is what I'm saying like I don't think Clay Thompson should go to a contender like one of the like veteran contenders if he wanted to go to to a team like the Orlando Magic I think that would make sense he can't go to a place where they are going to rely on him to make shots he needs to be able to just go in and fit into somebody

system because at this point in his career he is very inconsistent he's very volatile very streaky. If you get into a situation where Clay Thompson gets to a playoff series and now he's shooting like Tobias Harris and Buddy Heel combined, they are going to want his head on the stake. It's not going to be pretty. Boom. I got a team for you. The expectations are just going to be too much. Send his ass to the Charlotte Hornets. Go ahead and change the culture completely with Clay Thompson's veterans presence. All right. You're not going to go ahead and rely on him on a night tonight basis other than you know speaking up using your voice here and there and being a good

samaritan you know not littering not running red lights um those not listen those brothers are lost you have not your things clay talks will be a nice fit over there for sure showing they need coach carrennan miller they don't need coach carter they need a contract you know a suit and a time maintain a 2.6 GPA do something right get your life together I think Clay probably ends up staying I just don't know what other team is out there that's going to really love the fit there I think Orlando if it was cheap would make sense

he's not going to be cheap and that's the whole problem of him leaving the Warriors and at the end of the day it's still Steph Curry's team I think they probably end up just doing with Steph Curry wants and keeping them we'll see what it looks like we'll see if that becomes a deal like a trade down the line but I don't think this is the summer he's leaving

you know who's going to swoop in and make something happen the Chicago Bulls oh my that would be so fitting the Chicago the Chicago Bulls are going to find a way they're finally going to move on somehow the words are going to sprinkle a little bit of magic and they're going to they're going to get some type of asset back I'm seeing the Kings I'm seeing okay see I'm Miami the Kings are they should be itching to make a move because they were way too complacent last off season of course I don't blame necessarily you have the

own success that you've ever had over the last 20, 16 years or whatever, and you remain the same while everyone else gets better. You need to make a move if you expect that next step of development, you know? Over the last, what, three, four weeks or whatever, there are pouring hell of fingers at Mike Brown as if he was like the real reason as to why they weren't to like that this season, one of the three best teams in the Western Conference. No, it's literally your roster. And if you're going to shake some, make some shit happen, I was rooting for another, like,

skin guard and Zach Leighton to go ahead and make his move over there but if you want to make shit crack like open up the cash face and welcome Claytonso in arms that's a disgusting rivalry though Atlanta Hawk I was gonna say you know who needs a shooting guard the Atlanta Hawks yep yeah

how would you feel if they move Desjante let's say they trade Dejante yes let's say who would they trade Dejante too let's try and think of a quick treat that makes sense talk to you more a team like the Utah Oh, no, no, no.

All the Shikes, he's off. Yeah. You're talking to me about things that we're like. Let's, let's talk to it. Talk to me more. Talk to me more. Talk to me more. Okay.

Let's say they traded. Is this possible? Let's say they get Brandon Ingram. Let's say it's DeJante plus stuff. Maybe they moved to Jante and Nuneka for Brandon Ingram plus whatever. And let's say you pick Saar and you go into next season with Trey Young, blank. Brandon Ingram, Jalen Johnson, Saar. You slide click.

Thompson in there at the two. Do you see the vision? Because I think I might. I like Brandon Ingram, but I think his skills overlap a little bit way with Jalen Johnson could fucking be. Branding is relevant. I just think of my mother.

Small Ford X. Let's say they trade Jeante and they get a wing in there. Let's say it's not Brandon Ingram. It doesn't matter. But you have Jalen, Sarr, Trey, wing. Do you like Clay in the middle there? I love Clay right there. I love Clay. Someone said Metapod Mo is evolving

The Pokemon reference you coming over your shell Yeah, I like this You got me excited, I'm not gonna lie Talk to you more While you're talking to me Someone donate And I'll show you an ear while I'm at it What the heck?

He's slutting himself out He's nasty, bro Shout out to Bryce Krispy for tipping $2 He said thoughts on Clay going to the Grizzlies Hashtag Moistee Mo That could never happen That could, he would never want to go to the Grizzies And also, Desmond Bait is just literally better than him.

Why? Yeah. Someone said L defense on the Hawks thing? Yeah, yeah, it's not great. It's pretty hard to make it work when you had Trey Young. It's hard to make a nice defensive back court. But, yeah, Clay isn't what he once was there. Hey, but is Sarr and Jalen Johnson can hold it down?

Maybe you keep Sarr Power Forward. Jay and Johnson at Small Ford. Keep another big out there. It's on a nice mix. Ooh, if you have Oneeca, Sarr, and Jalen Johnson as your front line defensively, you can live with Trey and Clay. That wouldn't be the worst thing in the world defensively. The spacing is disgusting.

Like, Trey wouldn't be... He already gets swatted hell at the room, probably the most bull player, but Trey likes to get a shit off. I don't know. A lot of you guys are in the poll, 32% of you picked Orlando over Golden State. So you guys really like Clay going to Orlando. Interesting. That's not the piece. That's not the piece for Orlando.

It's not a bad piece, though. You know, what is a piece for everybody? Hold on. What is a piece for everybody is a deep three crayon-needer collection merch, I forgot to put you guys on to. You see it on screen now. I'm wearing the hat. Let me show you real quick.

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and he's like i should make just as much if not more and the clippers look at kai leonard and say he's better than you know your role and there's a disconnect there and there's a lot of noise that he might be a member of the Philadelphia 76ers. Do you guys want to see it happen? No, I don't. Why? Why would I in the same conference as my New York Knicks? No, I don't want to see it happen because obviously if Tyrese, Maxie, Paul George, and Joeline B won the same team, that team is being the first seed in the Eastern Conference. That team would dominate. Over the Celtics? As soon as they fill in everybody, in the regular season, yeah, I think they I think you can go into the playoffs still thinking that the Celtics are the better team

and that they win in a seven-game series, right, for all the reasons of Paul George being Paul George in playoffs and Embed's knees falling off the bone every April. But Tyrese showed last season that he can elevate and be a second star. And if you have even less attention on him and more of the defensive attention on Paul George rather than Tobias Harris, right, or even Kelly. Ubre, that's massive. And if Joelle Embed, who was on just an absolute tear last

season, comes back and is 80% of what he was, that's still like 31 points per game from him. So I think that that big three offensively would be disgusting. You have Embed anchoring the defense. It would be solid. Like, it would be a really good team.

It would be exceptional. I'm all in on this. It feels like there's a lot of smoke there, and I want to believe there's fire. And this would be awesome for all the reasons you just said. But it's It's so weird, is Clippers team going to blow up? If he walks, do they just be fine with Kauai and James Hardin? James Hardin can opt out too. He can be a free agent.

If he sees Paul George lead, is he fucking leave? He's not leaving. If someone throws him a bag, he would leave in a heartbeat. We all know what he's about. What do you think, Moe? Do you think Paul George leaves? If genuinely, it sounds like a dollar game, and I like the idea of, like, I like what you said earlier about, you know, Paul George, potentially looking at Kauai and see,

Paul George's played 74 games this year. this is the most amount of games that he's played since his like MVPG season that was in 2018 2019 very long time ago um and so and so fuck you it's history he didn't win he didn't win he it's not even history it's not history at all look at his basketball reference page it's history you can't not every single player ends up being a top three MVP candidates so they don't call every single player an MVP sorry anyways three MVP candid anyways like we were saying I love that idea

if it wasn't going to be the Philadelphia 76ers for whatever reason then I could potentially see a team like if the Houston Rockets wanted to shake some shit up and we all know how they like how

email you doka and their whole front office really wants to win now I think it wouldn't be a I don't know if it would be hard for them to maneuver some contracts and whatnot and trade their lottery after time by my turn. But, you know, what's interesting, everyone's saying Pacers, PG, back to Indy,

you put, that rocks. You put knee Smith at the two, Paul George's the three, Seacchman's four, that's a lot of length to surround Tyree's Halliburin defensively and obviously Miles Turner. A lot of spacing, a lot of defensive length.

He, Paul George is too good, he got to start. Hey, it's super six, man. But listen, quiet as it's kept. Paul George is kind of washed. He kind of took a step back this year. He's not entirely. watched, but quite as it's kept.

He is not 22, Paul George anymore, not the one that I've taken him in the conference finals. Not terrible, but age is catching up to him a little bit, and he needs to go somewhere where he can be more tertiary than he is on the clippers, I think, to really hit that next level of his career and continue to contribute to winning at a high level. Playing off of Tyrese Halliburton with the aid of Seacum as another release valve is

a really good spot for him and what he can do right now, I think. That is true, and I'm glad that you mentioned the fact that he is quietly washed, because when people grow old and they get washed in their lives, where do many people go to retire? They go down to Florida. Exactly. They go down to Florida. What if, right, we've all been talking about Clay Thompson to the magic, Malik Monk to the magic.

What does the magic say, we're going to go after Paul George? And you pair Paul George with Palo and France, and then you can relate to you. Leave Franz Wagner of being the number two option. Clearly, son, you have things in your game that you need to work on. And you have time and we won't put the pressure on you to get it done this year, right? It also goes along with kind of what they want to build, which is we're going to get these long, versatile wings who can playmate, who can handle the ball.

And now you have a lineup where you have, you can have Suggs out there. you have Paul George, Franz Wagner, Paolo, Jonathan I. You have all these very long, rangy, versatile players. I don't hate that. And I think that Paul George might fit there. I don't hate it either. The only problem is you're going to start Jay and Suggs. That means he's your point guard now.

Paul George, you're two, Franz and Pallow with the forwards, insert center, whoever their center is going to be, probably not on the roster right now. That's really good for, like, last year's version of the team. But it's not giving them any playmaking to take the load off of Palo. essentially has to continue to be the point guard, unless you want Paul George to be a lead facilitator. And that may be good for the development long term are those two big forwards.

But it's kind of just like really committing to that style and forcing them to be the lead playmakers. And I don't know if that's... Yeah, it sounds like... That's what I'm saying. It's Celtics light and you know how this league operates. This league is very monkey see monkey do. It's very copycat.

And so if you just saw a team with two big wings finally take the ball handling and the playmaking leaps, you can convince yourself, hey, we have two young big wings. They can also do the same thing. So I don't hate it. You said McFaughn's Boggs and the third option. I think that's not really how to operate

because Franz needs a ball in his hands as not being a great spacer off-ball guy. I think they would really be making Paul George into like Super Ray Allen. Like he would have to be the third option guy off ball and just like buy into that role in the later part of his career. do you think he buys him he's not wants to do that in Orlando Florida I don't know if he does

he's not there yet in his career just did you guys are saying wash he's not washed he's not he's not watched I don't understand where that's coming from he just he had he played better this season then he did over the last two years I believe you know not really he looked a little when I say wash I don't mean okay so wash maybe not the right word he's not cooked now he's not on Russell Westbrook timing but he took a step back he's starting to take a step back he's back half of his prime where it's he's slowing down he's not quite have the ceiling of player. I think he once did. The athleticism is going little by little. And we're seeing him slowly become washed. I guess when you say

watch, people think that means like all the way, like you're just done. I don't mean to say that. He's just, you're starting to see the age hitting him is all I'm saying. In terms of athleticism, sure, but this is the most, most efficient season that he's had since like 2021. So I don't, I'm not really, yeah, I'm not really worried about that from 3. he shot 41% last time he shot that was 2021 and field go percentage is higher too anyways um not the point but i more so fall in love with the deal of indiana because i think he's a clear cut number two scoring option no matter what way you want to put it and i think it's more of a natural glove and hand fit compared to like you know potentially i think you might have you

it's a slippery slope because you have a chance of stunting franz wagner's development because it's clear day that Paul George is still better than Franz. It might be better than him still for the next two years, depending on where Franz, how Franz develops, you know? Yeah. Yes. Well, how highly do you think of France? I think that, is that a question for you guys?

Is that a question that you guys had coming out of the series where, like, obviously, Palo looked apart of, no, this guy can be a number one. He just had absolutely no help around him. They surrounded him with defenders. Do you think that Franz can be a number two? Or do you, like a legit number two or does he have to be like a two and a half three type of role? I don't know if I'm viewing it that way. Yeah, he's still so young.

But, you know, they're pretty, they have to be committed to him for at least another year and see what he can do. I don't think they really have the choice to deprioritize him. That would have to set you back. So I think at the point where they still have to wait and see. Yeah, you have to fully bond on him still. I can't, I can't snatch his chain from his chain from from the number two option of this team

over the last three years. Can't do that yet. Okay, so my final, I think he's gonna be a sixer. What do you guys think? I'm going to pay sir. I'm gonna buy in. I'm gonna say Steve Bummer's gonna come into a census

and realize that there's no other pathway for this Clippers team to be remotely great at all without Paul George. And I think they're gonna pay him what he wants. we'll see O.G. Ananovi was thought to be a New York Nick for a good amount of time going forward

after the traded for him, right? Yeah, the CAA connection. It seemed like that was a pretty easy deal to assume what happened. Brian Winhorst says today that he's hearing that it's not a lock. Ogen, Nobie's in test free agency and see what's out there for him. Moe, what do you think? Where do you want to see O.G. and obvi play next year? I hope he leaves the Knicks. You know why?

But this dude right here Oh, Trion gets traded. Texas hat, said that he, Oge O'Donobi, it's his favorite African. How dare you when I'm right there? You could have said that before the pod, after the pod when I left, but you said it in the TikTok where we get the most views.

I hope he leaves. And I hope he goes to the Philadelphia 76ers. That would be the worst thing to happen to you. That would be awesome. That'd be so cool. I would love that. Paul George stays with the Clippers, and they throw that money at OG.

They max them out $40 million a year, whatever the most I can give them. the nicks are like we can't do it man please stay we love you you're Asian and he's like I'm not going to Philly that'd be awesome please don't do me like this OG I'm asking nicely we love you please don't leave you know what I'm saying

this would be it'll be a punch of the stomach I'm getting sad just thinking about it because it would actually be devastating because the we'll always have 15 and 2 with with with with oge brunson and randall it's i i do think that he stays with new york i think that the nicks are going to smarten up in that they eventually will overpay um and that they'll they'll probably be in some kind of crazy wheeling and dealing with heartenstein's deals with ogy if there's no there's no world with the nicks have heartenstein's deal o g's deal right brunton

is already taken less you have a decision on randall yeah I see it very weird to think that they would strike out on all three of those guys. So I think OG gets maxed. Yeah, unless he doesn't fuck with the riotiness in New York or whatever or it doesn't fuck with Tom Tibuto, which, you know, could be a real thing. He's going to go to Nick Nurse and Nick Nurse does the same. Nick Nurse plays his guys too. What if OKC sides?

Oh, championship. It's locked up. If OG goes to the thunder, it's locked up. The Thunder are winning the title. That would be amazing. Chad, what do you guys think? Give us your predictions. I don't think we need a poll for OG,

but spam right now, who you guys think will be with. Probably still the Knicks, right? Listen, I know a leverage play when I see one. I assume they're just trying to get the most money out of him out of the Knicks because they know the Knicks have to find a way to sign Hartnstein and O.G. And they probably want both of them to take a little bit of a pay cut,

so it's more manageable. If you're OG, fuck that. This is your only chance to get a big payday. You're not the most highly paid player in the world. this is your one big free agency in your late 20s, you're going to get your money and you're going to hold him over the fire a little bit for it. Yeah, absolutely.

We saw the Anunobi run out there right after he was injected with like skunk foods, bro. And they told him, go out, hit a three-fourths. And he was running as if he's like, he got shot in one leg, bro. It's ridiculous. How was him? I want every single thing and I ain't taking no pay cut.

Yeah. So I think he's really going to be with the next. Okay. where do you guys want to see demar de rosen playing next year Beijing oh my god he's still good he's good

I kind of want to see him in Philly oh I think that's not bad actually I think for a cheaper price Philly can get Damar de Rosen and you can get somebody who can help Tyrease Maxi

on the perimeter in terms of like perimeter scoring like that and have somebody play really in between right obviously we know what demar likes to do we know he likes to get to the mid range but having a bona fide score at all three levels would really really diversify their offense and i can just keep thinking about them in the context of tobias harris and kelly ubre and what's your man's name i can't even uh baton and and thinking about those wings and if you put

Damar there, that just takes a lot of pressure off of MB to go out and score 35 a night and gives you a perimeter crunch time option as well. So I like, I've, I've been thinking about Damar to the Sixers for a long time. And that's personally my favorite. I wonder if he ends up the Clippers after Paul George leaves. Just LA dudes just rotating in. LA guys, watched LA guys. I like that a lot. If they generally do lose, Paul George, then that might be the next best option for them. And obviously, their ceilings a lot lower, but it's better than just having

normal pal, I guess, start at the two for them. So I like that thought process a lot. If not, I don't know why, but I really want the Utah Jazz to land someone. Like, you've been saying the Utah has a name a lot. What's going on over there in Utah? Like, nice little slow burn rebuild.

They're taking their time. They got cool mountains. Larry Markins, like, he's like 26, 27, or whatever. Oh, man. Very valuable trade assets. But do you want to try to give it a go with Lari marking as a guy potentially, or do you just want to chill and see what's folding right under your eyes? I don't know. So the trade-down line has already been passed.

My guy, I have some good news for you. It's about to open back up. I don't know if you're aware of this. Next week's going to be fun for you. You're a very surprised. Someone said do another chicken tier list, but this time, meat tier list. meat to us like beef pork and chicken or whatever we can we can definitely do that

in fish I guess I've been throwing some shit on the grill I'm in there I was going to argue to death for pork chops as that's due I actually don't really like pork chops like that sliced turkey as S too pretty good it's pretty good you should have

you get a nice road but listen I'm telling you Leon, when I learn how to get this brisket going, it's going crazy. When I get these like 12, 13 hour brisket going, I'm going up, man. I'm going to lie. If it's not falling off the bone, then I'm never like trying any food that you ever make again. So I'm going to hold you to that. There's no bone in brisket.

There's no bone of brisket? It's just straight meat. I thought it falls off. I mean, at some point it comes off the bone. I guess you took it off before you cook. When you like smoke, when you like smoke, when you like smoke, briscus, there's no, like, bone in the stuff. The bones are move before you cook it, right?

Real eaters, real eaters, real eaters. I had no idea. Oh, you guys from Texas. This goes without being said. Where is Isaiah Hartenstein playing next year? Probably Oklahoma City. Do you guys want to see OKC do that? Because I find that very interesting.

So do you think, so it's going to take $25 million a year to sign him? Do you think they're going to start him at their center? have a really good rotation with a backup that can play 10 minutes a game next to chat, but be the backup for sure because the other Jalen Williams the light skin dude, he's

not good enough to run on this court with what they're expiring to do so far. So I envision him being a very elite sixth man type of role, seventh man, whatever way you want to phrase it. Him being a starter kind of ruins what Shea does best, which is getting into the lane

with like a wide open space, similar to what the Celtics have been doing with Jason Tatum, so I think you definitely need to come up with him. You have to have someone who can shoot. Yeah, there's some people that look at Chet Holmgren and still say, oh, you should be a powerful hoard, you shouldn't be a center, he's too skinny, blah, blah, blah. I think it's dumb. And I think especially after

you know, like Donovan said earlier, this is a copycat league. And if you watch the Celtics and you see the style of play that led to them winning the championship with so much ease and you see Chet Holmgren on your roster and you decide to put him at anywhere other than the center, you are not paying attention. Like, it seems so clear that he should be

their center, do you want to pay big for a backup five when 36 minutes a night you probably want, Chad Holmgren there? If you think that, if you think that Hartensheim can come in and give you the offensive rebounding that he did in New York, then yes, because the amount of extra possessions that Hartenstein can create is good. He has nice touch around, around the room, around the paint area, so he's not a complete zero on offense. And he's also a, a sudden solid passer. So, um, so he can keep, you can, you can use him as a hub and he can keep things moving if, if Shay or, uh, or, uh, or J-Dub want to move off ball and do all that stuff. So there's, there's elements to where you won't be fully five out if Hartnstein is in the game, but you can

still have a very flowing offense and still probably get a little bit more physicality, which is something that okay, see, probably needs. Yeah, I wouldn't hate it at all. And they have, they have the money to do it. I just wonder if when you're looking up down the roster of where their money has to go long term, I just wonder if that's the best allocation of it, you know? Who's playing the three?

Jada. For okay, Tee. Oh, well, that's a big TBD as well. Not going to be Josh Giddy. I'll tell you that. I think he's out of there. Yeah. And I would prioritize that

over going out and getting Hartenstein. Yeah. And I think they would like sign Hartinstein and then trade for a three to start where they may be. Maybe it's low key. I don't know if, he's available. I love Jeremy Grant back in O'KC

as a big. So what if you had like Chet, you do a tray for Jeremy Grant, J-dub, Dort, Shea with Hartonson-Sign off the bench. We run a lot of lineups. Not a lot, but you can run lineups for Hardin-Sign and Chet, take a double big. You have some versatility there. I think that'd be cool.

Now that right there. That is a move that is quite literally parallel to what the Celtics did with Christos Perzingis. Not saying that Jeremy Grant and Perzingis are like similar of our talents. Obviously, I think Perzingis is better. but in terms of just like the versatility and the ability for someone

to give you an extra, a different type of ceiling, Jerry McGrant does that because he can do stuff with the ball on his hands, play great defense, block shots, and all that cool shit. If it's not okay, if that rumor is not true, who do you see challenging the next forum? What are the teams out there would make sense to you?

Who needs bigs? Washington Wizards. They could throw in the bag and be all right. Valchunis is a free agent. Pelicans in a big I always forget who's in who's in the league you forget who's in the league

yeah like I mean just like off the top of your head right now like just thinking about all 30 teams is like I just need to I'm a visual learner the Grizzlies the Grizzies need a big two with Stephen Adams gone they're going to try and draft cling in

or maybe it's Keller aware whoever may be in the draft if they don't get their guy there I can see Hardinstein being somebody to throw money to, if they have it. I don't remember the castback situation, but... In the Portland, man. That's so gross, such a waste of timeless.

Yeah, I like that idea. You think I'm prioritizing DeAndre Aiden? You guys keep naming these re-rolling-ass teams to throw money or free agents. Yeah, because, really, as he's speaking, like, that's who some of these players, that's where some of these players are going to go to. Yeah, you're right.

They can all go to contenders. You're right, but... It's not fun to talk about. I understand that. and I don't know if they need a $25 million $27-year-old big I don't know if that's in their timeline dude he's 27 I just out of no idea of old deals

I assumed okay yeah all right who's next who's next okay so because we are talking about a backup big so let's talk about LeBron James LeBron James community free agent do you there's always smoke around

a LeBron James free agency doesn't seem to be any indication he wants to leave, but it'll probably opt out to re-sign a new deal, so maybe he'll listen to offers, whatever. Is there a world where you see the Brown James leaving the Lakers? Yes. There's a world where I see it. Do I think we live in that world? No.

I think he ultimately stays with the Lakers. I just don't I don't see him making another move at this point in his career. I feel like he has tried to solidify. himself within, you know, the Laker or the Laker organization as much as possible. And

he's going to ride it out, right? He's going to see, especially if the rumors are true and his homie's about to come coast the team, yeah, I'll stay. Yeah. That's going to lie. The Dallas Maverick's got a spot for him.

If he was to leave, I think being on a team of the Western Conference. any at all the teams it needs to be the dallas mavericks don't know how the fuck will work they'd have to do insane magic utah jazz to do so but no i'm tired of him being in the west the west is quite literally again we all said it was a bloodbath this past year no it's going to be quite literally held this year because you can't imagine that a team like the meps games are going to be going to win like

20 games or whatever 30 games again they're coming back healthy it's going to it's going to be stacked i want to see him go back to the eastern conference I need to see my glorious king make finals runs once again because the East is pretty much wide open outside of the Boston Celtics and depending on your feel on the Milwaukee Bucks and the Knicks, I guess. That's wide open outside of the best team in the league. Yeah. Outside of that, I'd love for him to go to the New York Knicks.

Donovan, are you going to reject a Julian Brunton and LeBron James duo in my face? I mean, I'm not going to reject it, you know? like it's going to take it's going to take it's going to take it's going to take some just like all right like come on let's do it because if lebron shows up and then like the new york nick thing happens where like he shows up tears his ACL and you're like here we go again like of course the nix would sign him when like this was about to happen then i would be upset but like we're still getting lebron we're thinking about the worst possible thing ever what the hell are you talking about man i'm you're saying if

They're like, oh, I'm sure he would be. Lightning strikes his head. That's how it be. Listen, the Jets literally signed Air Rogers. They thought they were getting their savior. And they all of a sudden, he tears his Achilles four plays into the thing. He's like, he signed LeBron and he got hit by a car. I'd be sad.

All right. Me too. I don't understand. This doesn't happen to your franchise. Like your franchises, well, maybe the Hawks. But like, but y'all's franchise, all the stars want to go there in their prime. The Knicks always sign people when it's not a good idea. or after they've been, you know, or after they've been through a couple of injuries

and you think that you can, like, revive their career. If LeBron wants to come, obviously, come on, you're going to have to apologize to me personally for the years of terrorizing us on social media that you did. We didn't deserve that, LeBron. But after the apologies, then we're all good. The second you see the sham Sharania tweet that he's interested in taking meetings, your mood is in a shift and you're going to be so about it. Do you see it's real?

I'm actually not. I won't be hyped until I see him at the, like, at the press conference with the jersey. I, 20, 2019, you don't understand what the summer 2019. You don't understand what the summer 2019 did. You deserve to be. No, because, and here's why, here's why I wasn't a fool, exactly, because it wasn't the summer of 19, right? Oh, my bad, Jack Kahn, I got by donation. Let me go read you.

Oh, wow. It was the year of 28. through 2019. That got me hyped. And in that singular moment ruined all of my faith in all of NBA reporting. I can never trust anybody.

You really believe that Zion Williamson, Kevin Durant, and Kyrie Irving were going to be New York Nix. And said you ended up with Obie Topping?

Oh, wait, RJ Barrett. R.J. Barrett and Julius Randle. Nice. Shout up to 1, 2, 3, 4 for tipping $5. He said throughout the off season and next season I'm pushing Eadie and Sarr being better than

Klingin. All right, awesome. Evie and Sarr. Fair take. Shout to Jack Connolly for taking $5. He said, thank you guys for getting through my school year. You guys make me laugh so hard and love listening to you guys. I think we'll get some crony to merge soon. Also, do you think Tatum got Rob DeFano's MVP? No, sir.

I wouldn't say robbed. I think you should have won it, but it wasn't quite a robbery, but I do think he should have won. He got what he deserved. He did all right Shout to Matthew Tipping 5 dollars again Shout to

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I thought Eating real crayons is crazy You guys want me to quite literally die I'm sure there's quite literally There's instructions on it to say do not eat. This is not a consumable product. What are you talking about? We'll bake you some cupcakes. You don't want to eat a crayon.

Crayon. I'm not going to die. Now, if you wanted to make me crown-eater based cupcakes or a cake, my birthday isn't a couple of weeks. I'd accept that. She has the most shy seat between $5. Said y'all can't hate on Tatum on the Celtics anymore. So you guys have to make fun of Tatum celebrations. Nasty work. The lights get effect makes everything. Let's keep

people do look corny, so I get it. Hey, man. We did it. he couldn't have anything bro people don't make the rules shout to wall jr. wall junior 95 said do you think the t you three shirt will last till thursday it'll be there on thursday i promise appreciate you man shout to walking 37 for dipping three dollars he said you thought he

moe parentheses which he said you thought mo was just slinging it around in middle school in parentheses shout to the greatest producer corner ever because we said that during producer corner last week I forgot what that. We were laughing at Mo for having no bitches in middle school. Hilarious, bro. Y'all were ugliest shit too in middle school.

I ain't going to let y'all slide with that. Donovan was your photo. Isaac, your photos. You weren't ugly as shit, prove it to us. And if you won't, then I'll do it last week. I have middle school pictures. I forgot to send him to kill. We're doing another pod this week.

All right. What do you think Malik Munk will sign? Donovan is your time to shine. I've been preaching this. You've been preaching it as a late, too. It is. Now, I've talked about Mickey Mouse and the things that I think could work. But if we're talking about the most realistic,

a combination of best fit and realistic, Malik Monk has to be a member of the Orlando Magic next year. It just makes the most sense. If they had anybody who looked at the basket and felt 2% confident in their abilities that they can make a shot in the playoffs, they could have done some real damage. and Malik Monk, if nothing else, is going to have the confidence to think about scoring a bucket

and he's going to add so much, he's just so much, what's the word? Dynamics. Thank you, thank you. There's a specific word using dynamic. He's going to add another dimension to their offense that they clearly need. He's going to give Palo some help, lock it in.

We need that. I like it a lot. His playmaking, Moe pointed out early in the season, has been underrated this year, right? He think he averaged five assists a game, really split the playmaking load with Deer and Vox. You put him on a team that has a big wing playmaker that can do a little bit with Palo, but you need another guy to kind of share that load with in the same way.

It's glove and hand. And they have the size to negate him defensively. Where's Moe going? Dismus. It makes total sense. He gives them spacing, playmaking, driving to the rim, dribbling, everything. Yes, the word is dynamism. Thank you.

dynamism dynamism is that even a word yeah dynamism I'm gonna look this up because it is that doesn't sound like a word dynamism is not a word because you said that's wrong as fuck

dynamism it's wrong as fuck it's dynamism dynamism dynamism dynamism dynamism dynamism that's what

parts in this fucking shank some of Isaac Telephone take off the shy steed like I'm in charge of him. But yeah, I think that's the easy fit. We can move on. It's a pretty, so we're out here inventing words. I thought of him was Googling it. I did.

He's locked in right now. What other free agent signs should we go over? Is James Hardin going anywhere? Do you all think he's going anywhere? That is a great answer. Question, I mean. He good. If the money isn't right.

he had a great season for the Los Angeles Clippers made their offense actually working and it wasn't so ISO ball I assume they'll pay him especially if all George walks so probably these days

but I don't know that's hard to predict the one who's to say what his value is when the league right now if they don't pay him then my favorite landing spot once the Pelicans go ahead to address some of their issues

is in New Orleans him alongside Zion and Herb Jones and Trey Murphy. Gersie doing. Set me. I love that fit. Send that man in San Antonio. He'll be a three-hour drive away from Houston, 45-minute flight.

Get James Hardin throw alive to Wemby? It's crazy. There are we go. You know what? There's other names I wrote in this list. Pretty small names. I think we need to hear. It's been a good stream.

Did the whole finals talk. We did the free agency preview. is the biggest names. This coming week's going to be a fun episode. We're going to put the last 25 NBA champions into a tier list. So we're going to fully see where the Celtic stack against NBA history, it'll be a good one. 25 is a long-ass time, bro.

God damn. We're going to be tear-listen like you've never tiered since. It's going to be hard. I love it. With that being said, we'll see you all in a few days. Go get that merch. Check it out. Pinned in the comments.

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