The Deep 3 Podcast - We Answered Your Questions About The NBA (& Other Things) | Ep. 200

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

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Look at the top of socks I got on today. This type of shit I'm on. I had to pause for a second because I was dumb fun that I was looking at Nike Elite socks. And I think this is the intro to the episode. I got my Nike elites on today. I think you should switch it his solo game. And I think we should show people your Nike elite socks.

Say less. It's the type of show you're on today. I can't really show him like the back of it. It's a weird angle. But look, I got it. I swear to God. Yeah, I know. Freak ass.

Fuck ass. What? Never in my life. I have ever been able to do that. He could behind my ear. Mo has not like the elite socks. He's getting back to the childhood feeling of wearing elite socks in middle school. I might tie down later today.

Wow. And that's very fitting because today, as you see, episode 200. We are here to recap everything that has happened in the 200 episodes of this show's existence. How are we going to do that? How are we going to talk about everything that's built up to 200 whole episodes? You guys listen to us, yep. We're going to do a Q&A. We ask you guys on a community post to give us your best question that you guys want

to hear from us about the show, its origin, us as people, our hobbies, our thoughts, everything you might want to know we are going to talk about today. Yeah. Starting with Mo's love for Nike Elite Sox. Well, you about to pull up with Roshy's next pod? Nah, I actually never had Roshies. Never. Me too, man.

I don't know why. I missed out. I missed out, man. Prong Roshies? I know. I have many. You did? Several colors.

I said many. I probably two or three. But several colors. I didn't have any. I had bright baby blue ones like teal. Then I think I had black. and I think it had like a burnt orange one. You had a kid.

That guy. That was deep in the road. You had it, man. You ever had custom ones? The custom ones were crazy. Oh, were you like dime and stuff because they're fabric? The rose ones? Oh my God.

No, never had custom ones. I wouldn't have been above it if I was older. Eighth grade I wasn't getting custom shoes. I don't know. I wasn't like that eighth grade. The courageous pair of shoes that I ever had was probably a pair of phone posits. I got a pair like a $220 phone posits when I was like an eighth or ninth grade. And that day was so.

crazy because my dad got, bro, my dad's so diabolical. He got me phone pauses. And then that same day, he found out that I was like flushing my report card down the toilet. He was like, so you got a 43 math. And you have a brand new phone process. It was so crazy, right? Is he diabolical or are you just dumb for flushing?

No, he died on the toilet. Of all the place you disposed of it. Bro, just throw it away at school. Why would you buy me new shoes, the most expensive shoes at that time, too? Because he thought you were passing. And then also. Because you're a good son. No, but he already knew that I was hiding.

my grades. And then you brought it up right when I got it. So like at this peak moment of happiness, he was like, yeah, buddy, he got you. It was sad. Yeah, we'll get into your other crazy. Did you take him away? No. Let me, you rock him. He just rubbed in your face. Yeah. He's crazy. Well, get into more of your childhood mission if you did like flushing paper on the toilet like an idiot when you're in the eighth grade. But that being said, let's go. Cue the intro music and get into your best questions for us. We're throwing it back. Whoa.

That's crazy. He was bragging. I hope you didn't say. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. Thank you. All right. All right. Let's get right into this.

I think I have over 40 questions from people that they ask in the comments. There was like 1,300 comments. So I really had to sift through. Pick the ones that I thought I saw a lot of times. They kind of encapsulated the tone of the comments. Didn't get all of them because sometimes they were like, Mo, what's your favorite time to get cracked or something like that? Crazy.

But it had like a thousand likes. First one. Where's it go? Where's my mouse? I lost it. Okay. What is the story behind T3? How does you decide you want to start this pot and what's the story behind the name?

How to do this one up front? Because there's always a question that people always ask is what, how did this story begin? How did we all meet each other? Why did we decide to do a show? Because I think we talk about like every 50 episodes. There's always new people that come in. So we've told the story a bunch of times, but it felt right that we go ahead and get the new audience this story one more time. Story behind T.U3.

Me and Donovan went to college together. We're both journalism students. Me and Mo worked together. We both worked at House of Highlights. He was an intern while I was a content strategist there. I was doing solo content by myself on TikTok and working for House of Highlights, so I was in charge of a lot of short-form strategy and like building our YouTube channels. And at some point, I decided that based on everything I knew and everything I was doing at my time, job. It made sense to stop doing my solo content and make a podcast. So naturally with the Donovan,

my college friend, we did it for three, four weeks, making short-home content. And I already met Mo from working at House of Highlights. He started there like two months prior. And I thought, let's do a third person. Mo's perfect. Let's bring him in one time. See if it sticks. I knew it stick. And then have him do it full time. And he did. And we ended up doing that for a while. And yeah, that's a short story. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty pretty much cut in dry at that point in time when did we start was it like August July 2022

I don't know why my mind always think it's August you started August the show started the channel first got its first short form content up on July 2022 oh yeah what was the original channel name it was like two main game or something yeah it was two main game at first because there's two of us yeah and then you join and changes the deep three

how do we come up that name again I'm terrible at naming things and I was like okay there's three of us now what we're mad deep our man we're mad deep yeah we're kind of come up with like a hard ass abbreviation or something shit yeah we're like TD3 sounds so fucking hard

but sounds like we're so deep we're so deep the depth we're like onions we have layers yeah no I'm just terrible in naming things that's my one creative Achilles heel I can't name shit I think this is my fault if I remember Greg I think this is my fault right here why we're called the TD3 you like the acronym T3 you're talking about that was a you thing you were like we gotta have a cool acronym like AMP we gotta have a cool acronym

it does have to be through the letters I also had that three dog. I'm like, it got to be three. Now, did we figure it out? No. So yeah, it was really a name that we sat down for a long time trying to figure out and I was like eventually like, fuck it, deep there it is. I guess that's fine. I don't care. It's okay. It's not, it doesn't, I don't love it, but it's not bad at all. So we'll go with it. To give even more depth into the story to you, I remember initially when you asked me to join, I was like, not too much I'm playing can't do because it was my senior year of college. I was like, yeah, I already do my own, I've been doing my own content on top of that I have this PA's

of a house of highlights doing whatever the fuck I do there and then now I'm over here asked to like do this whole show ah I don't know this is a lot on my hands and I and then after I like gave you a good firm no you send me like a Bible that's the why I should do it and I was like all right bro whatever yeah see the problem you didn't give me a good firm no you gave me the softest no ever and then I was like I was like listen here man do this fucking pot here's why the PA job dude you're get the fuck out of here you just started your internship I did the internship last here. I promise you it'll be okay if you do this. And you're like, I have my solo content. I'm on another show. I'm like, bro, do all of it. I don't give a fuck. Just do this show. I promise you to

work. And I had to be like, just listen to me, please. Like, you want another pot at the time too, right? Yeah. We'll resty buckets. Yeah. And I was like, just do both. I do not care. Like you, I promise you at the time I'd do both. Yeah, man. And eventually he listened. Yeah, I definitely had to be like, please for love a guy listening. You give him an inch to to just be like, come on, bro. Like, my thing. I was like, bro, I get white sounds pretty good to you. You're not going to be in school forever. You're not going to be an intern forever.

I promise you all the time. I have the same job you're going to get after your internship. I promise you I have time. Just listen to me and do this. Yeah, man. That's how I knew more from the beginning is a solo channel. Mojo 99. Yeah.

RIP, man. One of the OGs. RIP? Yeah. Now bringing it back up. I'm making a new channel in the future. Yeah. That's good.

That's good. Those opening, like, the first couple times that we were recording, those sessions were so, like, looking back on it now, so quick. Because, like, because we started just doing short form content and we weren't doing, like, a full pod until, like, three months after. So we were only recorded for, like, 35, 40 minutes, getting everything together. And then anytime we were posting, everyone's like, where's the full show? Where's the full show? Free game. But, like, after that, like, we slowly, like, kept going, kept going.

kept going and then like one day we looked up and it was like damn we recorded for three hours like that's kind of crazy and now like every episode is three hours yeah and uh people ask about that in the comments too they asked like when did you start making it a full show one of the comments on the post about the questions for the q and a was like when did it go from a parody of a podcast to a podcast why would it be parody because we weren't posting a show it was just a shorts i'm like it was never a parody of a podcast it was like a very purposeful strategy to start off building the short from audience because I knew that based on where short from content was at that time, we were very ahead of the curve with the editing style I have and the formats I do and all that stuff.

And because I was doing stuff in my solo account first, using similar styles, I knew that we could build that for a few months and get a little base going before we started posting. I didn't want to post the first episode of a podcast to a channel with no subscribers and have like, does nobody fucking see it. So I thought we'd do that for a few months, gained 20K subs, whatever we could. So at that time, it was a fucking gold rush on YouTube shorts. It's like if you knew what you were doing, there wasn't a whole lot of competition. With the numbers we were getting right away, today's standards would be crazy.

So I figured we can build that, get the core audience there. Not even a core audience because you're not going to build like a legit audience within a few months, but some activity on the channel. So once the first episode along from went out, it had people to push it to. And yeah, that wasn't that long of the time. I'm surprised people even like remember that. Yeah. Dude, that old YouTube algorithm is not the same anymore compared to today's.

The first year we had was so crazy. the fact that we got like 300k subs in the first year and getting like 60K subs a month during that prime U2 Schwartz Gold Rush was utterly ridiculous. If that held up we'd have like 2 million subs right now. No way, we had 300 in the first year? I thought it was like 2.

250 something like that. I don't know exactly what it was but there was a few months where you gained like 50K subs. Yeah, still insane. Ridiculous. They got to bring that back. Yeah, they got to get all the AI content that's filling the algorithms up, messing up the volume, get that out of here.

Lives will be changed if they bring it back. Yeah, it was great. Whatever the next social platform comes. Gotta be first. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So that's the origin story of the show, how we started doing it, why we started doing just shorts.

There'll be a few other questions later on that I put on here that people asked about like what we're doing before the podcast and stuff. We'll say that for then. Next question is from, how's the read his name? Did any of you have a failed SoundCloud rap career? No. No, I didn't.

Which one of us would be most? most likely to do so well mo you are from atlanta this is a direct it towards you they're clearly profiling you they're not asking if i had a have i made a song before yes you know what close enough yeah uh i guess like one day ranley i think it was summer 2017 so i freshly graduated high school and i had nothing to do no plans no moose and just hit on my friend gym rap that that was it that was my day so i made a song is it out fuck no but i made one before Beasles, you ever made a song? You're right?

No. That is one of my bucket list items, though. It's just to make a song from start to finish. What would it make a song be for you? Probably some R&B stuff. Okay. They're cruding. Some Brun on Mars.

You're going to sleep me to sound like four bats. Oh shit. That'd be crazy. That'd be hard. If Beasles would sound like four bats, that'd be crazy. Episode 300, the album is coming out. The EP. Every YouTuber ever, I got to make a song.

Literally. No, I don't. I promise you, I don't. Bro, that era of YouTube, when everyone wanted to be a, at least put out a rap song, and that was the drop. Everyone was rap beefing.

Yes, that Logan Paul Rice Gum era. Get me out of there, dog. Yeah, I don't think I'll ever make a song. I think I'm very, very self-aware in my strengths and weaknesses. And if one of my strengths was rapping, I promised you other did 10 years ago.

You give me a summer I could do that. Probably like Locknames. I can probably write a good song. I can't wrap a good song. I download. to Ableton and F.O. Studio. Between the, between the four of us. Put all our heads together.

We can get, we can get the music song. You can be, but me soles can write the sing-song you hook. I'll write the verses. I got the literary pen. Moken Rapids. I got logic pro. I want to say, we can work for it. I promise I can write some bars. Oh my gosh. Man eater Pug says, why did you

choose Chicago for the pod and what's your favorite thing about the city? The why is very, that's a simple answer. Yeah. Is we all had to move to the same city. We recognize that we need to do the pot in person. as most you guys know, the first two years, two and a half years, really? Actually, I haven't used to doing now. Really like three years.

Three years, really. Of the show, we're remote. We were all living in different cities. I was in Texas, then California. Donovan was in Texas the whole time. Moe was in Atlanta, New York, or Washington. And obviously at some point we knew very early on that we had to move to the same city. But there was a lot of conflicting light things going on.

But basically, everybody finished in college. And there's just a different other finishing college that we couldn't do it right away as soon as I wanted to. So for like a year and a half, I was like, bro, we got to move to the same city. And there's always a reason we couldn't. So I can't bug it everybody. When the time finally came that it made sense for everybody to with their life situations, we had to agree on the city.

I was in L.A. Would it very much like to stay in L.A. I hate L.A. so much. He dominates it. He decided he hates L.A. from a very early age. I knew that wasn't going to happen. Not a good.

I still don't understand clearly why you hate L.A. No one does. I feel like it's, I actually don't. I don't understand why you don't know why. To say that you don't know why. Are you dumb? You know what a flip? You're stupid?

Really, you probably think about it. Yeah, because actually every time somebody asked me, I give the same answer every time. It's actually very clear. The thing is, your answer's clear now. But I think what really happened from my perspective? I've told. You were like, the vibes are off.

I'm like, what does that mean? Have you never been to a place in the vibes? You know what's crazy? When we went to All-Star Week and I'm like, all right, let me see what vibes Donovan is talking about that are off. I'm like, I didn't really feel it. And then I asked him like, yo, like as soon as we get off, do you feel the vibes being different? He goes, yeah, yeah, I hate it.

And again, I have been saying, I've been saying every time that we go out to LA, listen, it feels weird out there. I don't like it. Right. I feel a disturbance in the forest. However, I wasn't, we said it so many times that like I wasn't going to say anything, but then you asked me. And I told you, I said, listen, loki, we got off the plane. I did get chills.

Like, I'm telling you, I feel weird here. But I'm just going to chill because we're out here to do work. I'm just going to pop in. We're going to do what we do. And then we're going to get out. That's it. Yeah. I always told Donovan that I think he decided from an early point that he didn't like the idea of

LA and decided he didn't like it just because and then got here and like figured out reason it doesn't like it. It's very understandable. It's not like the vibes of LA. That's like a common thing that a lot of people don't. But I feel like you said that before you were even really there. And then you're like, yeah, this matches what I thought. So like you worked backwards.

But now you reached a point where I'm sure you don't actually like it. It's not fake or anything. But early on, you were just like, don't like it just because. Just because I know. I know what I like and what I don't like. Yeah, sure, sure. Now everyone's like, oh, yeah, you're process. I don't like the city.

I don't like the city. It really was a bad process. But you did understand what, you knew the idea of LA and you knew you probably wouldn't like it. You live your life how you want to live. You like the city. You like the city. You understood the idea of LA and knew you probably wouldn't like it and you're right. So I'm not saying you're wrong, but like, for a really point when you had it really

been there. You do this all the time. You see food and you're like, yeah, it's probably, I'm probably not, I'm probably not, I'm not going to like that. He's the thing. And then you eat it. Like, do you think? I gave you a mango one time. You had a seizure.

And you were like, and before, right, you were like, oh, yeah, I'm not going to like this. I'm not, I'm not going to like the mango. I ate the mango. You didn't like it. Then you're like, oh, I didn't like it. Yeah. It's the same thing with that life. Here's the thing.

Do you ever think I will tell anybody that my process with food is good? No. I would tell them it's irrational. It's stupid. And I wish I liked more things. I wouldn't defend my stupid-ass process. But you like what you like. I don't think it's smart.

You like, you dislike you. It's reasonable. That's just being human. That's just being regular. But I have the awareness to know the shit is stupid. That's just being regular. Even if it is like, like regardless of if it's food, if it's a city, if it's anything, if you know that you like certain things and you see something and you're like,

yeah, I probably wouldn't like that. And then you go and you do it and you don't like you. I agree. I said that. I said that you were right. You understand. I'm coming here to defend you and say I once thought it was funny and now I understand you you and you turned the fuck up.

In general, bro, I feel like Chicago was the best decision. After the question. Let me really back. Central as hell. I come from New York. You came from Mela. You come from Texas. Overall, best city.

I'm not going to overall, out of all our options is probably like the most neutral city. Obviously, it's cold as fuck. I wasn't fucking that. But at the end of day, it's a beautiful city. It looks like Atlanta. It has a mixture of New York. So I'm like, okay, I can kind of see myself being here for for a while or however long we're here for. So I like it way more than L.A. because L.A. just feels like it didn't really feels like a simulation.

I feel like sometimes I need to have like grind and dirt in my life. I need to appreciate like sunshine and rainbows and shit. And over here in Chicago, I really do that. And also I really feel like the city, the city vibe. Yeah. It was basically so Donovan said no L.A. I wasn't going back to Texas. I didn't want to go back to Texas. I just left Texas. And my girlfriend didn't want to go back to Texas either. So I was like, bet we're in agreements. So it was basically, I wanted to live in a major city for sure. That was my one thing. And if it couldn't be LA, it was either New York or Chicago. Those are two realistic options. Donovan didn't really want to go to New York either.

Me and Mo were both open to it. You could have got out ruled, I guess. But the siding factor for me to decide what Chicago was we wanted more space. Obviously, you can't get like a big apartment in New York. And I wanted to have some place we could build out a studio and have it built into my apartment. We were recording the basement apartment now. I knew there was no way I was going to move into the city of New York and have a space big enough to have it be my apartment. and our studio.

You're paying $20,000 a month. Yeah. We don't got it like that, man. Yeah, our place here would easily be $12,000 a month in New York City. Yeah. So the deciding factor was Chicago was a good enough city that we very much liked. It was like our third favorite city in the country and space was the deciding factor. Yeah.

Favorite thing about the city. I think the water for me personally. Being so close to the city and being able to, like, access all types of places and get different types of fuels. The food is also dumb as good. That's something that I never like would have thought in my mind that, like, oh, has like some of the best of the country would have never thought that was true. Like I thought everyone who like lived here was overly glazing everything about the city. But now I'm here.

I'm like, okay, I understand. Chicago summers. Okay. I understand the food. I get it. Yeah. I actually like the cold. And it's been one of my favorite things just because like you live in Texas your whole life.

And it's just 90 degrees every single day. Yeah. That's crazy. You wake up on like Christmas and it's 85 and you're like sweating and stuff. And I just, I hated it so much. So the fact that I can actually just like go outside and wear a jacket. I'm like, this is actually pretty cool. Like, I like seasons.

And so I just, like, wasn't getting that in Texas. Yeah, I've never experienced seasons either. And I never cared. I never liked the summer because Texas summers are fucking cruel. It's a, like, overwhelming heat. That's the worst time of the year to me. What's the hottest that will get there? Like, 1.15.

There is no hottest. One 15? Whatever you can imagine is the hottest. Fuck. Like, there's no, there's no hottest. And it's dreadful. So I was in Texas most of my life. As I was born in L.A., lived there until I was, like, in elementary school.

And then Texas and then back to L.A. So it was either fucking. paradise or oppressive heat for nine months of the year i've never lived anywhere with like any type of winter that's like long no real fall no real spring so now i love the fuck at the summer living here now now is we endure the winter the sun comes back out for spring it's like i feel alive it's pop i'm so pale right now i tan so easy this time a month from now i'm gonna look completely different wow how do you feel about the one too go watch our summer episodes i'm a completely different shade of person how do how do you feel about the winter coming from texas just

experiencing i was very mental prepared so like yeah i I thought about it very much and very like psyched myself up. Yeah. It doesn't bother me too much. I mean, it's not like sick, but it's not like I can't live here because of it. For me personally,

I knew it was going to be cold. Like I was coming after Atlanta coming from New York. Obviously, like I dealt with overall not having seasons like that, but it's way better than what you experienced in Texas. But in New York, like it's cold, it snows and all that.

But here it's like it's a different type of cold. Like it's a type of cold where you stick your hand outside and all of a sudden your hand is just ash, bro. Like the wind is fucking insane. I never thought it was that. Yeah, it's the wind. That's a different thing. Irwin 997 says,

how did B Souls end up joining the team? Great addition. Salute, 252 likes. People are fucking with the B Souls Edition. Yeah, you're not on camera. You're flexing. You're not on camera. Yay.

Beesoles edition. We started house call last fall when the football season started. Last summer. Last summer. Yeah. First episode was like July. Yeah, end of July.

We started house call. I knew from then when we were, we started talking about it that we'd had to hire somebody a producer at some point to help me with the mental workload of the ideas and the ideas and creative and prepping everything. It was a lot for me to handle in the same way I do for T3. So I knew we had to hire another set of hands at some point. We just couldn't do it right away because we were in between contracts. Our house of highlights contract was ending and we knew we'd probably get a bigger deal

whether with them or somebody else and use some of that income to hire a whole full-time producer. So we're kind of like in wait and see mode for the first half of the season of football. and we knew at some point come like December, January. We want to hire a producer. And we knew at that point early in the thought process, it was probably somebody that's like, you know, just behind the scenes, behind the camera,

somebody to help with the ideas, maybe a video editor, maybe a cinematographer type guy that's good with cameras, kind of build off of that strength to help us in ways that art on camera. But then as time went on and we got closer to January, I kind of sensed that it would be a good time for T3, a good time, the lifespan of the show,

to have some more energy in it, to have a new character put into things. So I started thinking, we should try to hire somebody that's one helpful off camera with production and prep and everything kind of helped allow me to do both shows not get overwhelmed creatively while being going to be good on camera and one we obviously thought we could hire we could not we knew we couldn't hire nekeel again because he has a full-time job and like that's his whole thing told him he could do it if he wanted to knew he wouldn't want to then immediately after that thought besles because i knew he was working full-time

for a company so i saw clearly he's open to doing a job outside of just making his own contents and we had him on the show before and the chemistry was perfect. I knew he was a content strategy guy in the same way I am. So I knew the chemistry would be good and I knew he could be helpful with the creative stuff

knowing to be the easy thing for him to learn what I do. So it just made the most sense in the world. We asked him before we opened up our search and he said yes. Yeah, he slid in my DMs y'all. First DM,

hey, we're four wives. Might have been five, lookie. Might have been five. And the rest is history. Yeah, I'll let's you tell from your perspective. But it was basically, telling Donovan DeMoe, I was like, I think BeSoul's be perfect. We can open up the search and try to find somebody and do a legit hiring process, which sounds dreadful.

I would hate having to do interviews. And I told you guys, like, before we do that, I think BeSoul would be a good option before we even look anywhere else. If he says no, then we look more broadly and try to hire someone that maybe we don't know. Yeah, I mean, the timing was insanely perfect. I think of, I've told all of y'all this, but especially Isaac, like, but those who don't know, I used to work for playback, the streaming company before this. and essentially, oh, it's public now, they were in the process of selling the company back in November. And like the week, it was essentially decision week of like,

yo, are we going to sell or not? Like what's going to happen with the team? My role was already up in the air. Isaac hits me up in the perfect timing of like, yo, we got a job for you. Yeah. So it was insanely perfect timing. And then also he got me out of Boston.

Yep. He got me out of Boston. For those who don't know about my lord. everyone has been asking me both personally and professionally to move out of New England the Boston area. Me and my wife have always been now.

We're not moving unless there's a bag involved. There's a bag involved. I don't know. That's all I can say right now. I got convinced. You got to let it fly. I don't know. It was worth it.

And it was like you said at the time you needed to. And there was no option of doing this remotely. I was like, we're all in person now. So I'm like, if you want to do it, you got to come here. like soon. Yeah. So yeah,

you picked up and moved extremely quickly. Yes. You were ready. He said, can I move yesterday?

Yeah. Well, it was either that or I didn't have a job on the stuff. I haven't okay now.

Welcome to Chicago. True. So yeah, if you wouldn't have taken it then, we would have to make a job posting and interview a bunch

of college kids, do a whole thing and try to find somebody. I don't have time to think about that. Yeah, that's so dreadful, right?

It was so dreadful. And when we were like handling both shows too, between like getting getting up house call and then all this the amount of ideas that we have to create is like literally ridiculous and the amount of volume i don't think anyone in the at least like the sports scene doesn't do the amount of volume with all the ideas that we do to this degree like it's

actually absinine so like having a whole new brain that is like familiar and damn near like adjacent to the type of style and world that we're in like just made absolutely sense it was like outside of like shot at to nicko obviously but outside of you there's no better option yeah for the creative side. And like, from the jump when we started the football show, I was like, if we had to do this forever with no extra bodies, I will lose my fucking mind eventually. I'm like, I know for a fact, I will lose our mind. I'm going to run of ideas. So we're just buying time until we could hire somebody. And it ended up being not like terrible. I didn't like burn out or anything. But I was like, I got to do two years of this. It's not going to be

pretty. And yeah, it all you all worked out. Let's go. We're here. And other questions were like, did you guys expect the chemistry to be so good? Yes. It went exactly as intended. Yeah. And the exact intended effect of breeding new life into the show because it'd been three years. like we do the same type of things. It's time to add a new character, adds some new life into it. And it's all went swimmingly. Yeah.

Mo, if you had the choice of making Jalen Johnson an MVP caliber player or ending racism, which one would you pick? Think long and hard. Jalen Johnson. I'm gonna amend this. You can make Jalen Johnson

MVP of the league. Next year, he'll win MVP. Three in a row, actually. Whoa. He's Larry Bird. He's Larry Bird. Or you end racism. Or, you end racism.

And racism. Y'all gonna have to take him slurs, man. I'm sorry. You don't get slur today, man. I'm three MVP's. He's literally there. I'm sorry. He's better than Lukash.

Yeah. Y'all going to take them slurs, man. I'm sorry. He's in on one hand. Racism's already here. Like, we're all going to be dealing with it. Listen, it's embedded in this, man. I'm sorry.

It's the mud podcast. Listen, in some ways, it makes it stronger. Jeff says When y'all are playing basketball Who do you model your game around Slash play the most like? Ooh, I have a go-to answer for this one Go ahead.

Boris D.L. Ooh, that's ugly. Boris D.L. I don't want to be unrealistic and say like fucking LeBron James or Nicola Yolkich So I have to take it like role player tears down.

You can moderate you after Nicole Yolkish. He is a very like modelable He doesn't jump high or run fast. Boris Dio is like level one of like what Nicole the average guy. This isn't saying who you play like, or I guess second part does, but focusing on the

model your game, you could model your game around Yokic and be like, I want to do the things he does. Nah, but when someone asks me, yo, who do you play like if I say Yokic? Yeah. The expectations are going to be crazy. True. You may be on the boards. I'm Boris Dio.

True. Donovan. Let's see. I'm in a weird time because I just got back into whooping. Right now, currently, my three-point shot is not there. So right now my game is very Andre Miller-ish. Old school. If I'm playing, so four and four, four and four or five on five, I'm Andre Miller.

If we, if we're playing threes, then I'm Mello and I'm Kobe and I'm in the post. I'm in the mid post. I'm taking jumpers from there. And that's, that's, that's what I'm operating at. Prime? Listen, prime. Dane. Trey.

I was pulling. You never played like Trey? I was pulling. I was pulling. Did you never play like Trey? No. I never seen you. You was not at them Greg runs.

Dude, you played so much time. From the volleyball line, I was pulling. Nah, and your prime, you played like, I think this is like the first time you actually.

You did a lot of like mid post throwing elbows. That's what I'm saying in in threes. But like, okay. But like if we're playing five and five in the game is much more like regular, then from that standpoint, like I was, I was shooting a lot more.

It's very hard to play like a slowdown post up style of game when it's like everyone's just out there just trying to get cardio. Yeah. And Greg, so it's much harder. Okay. Yeah. I say you play like Joe Johnson. That was your goal.

That's funny. Ben Gordon, another one. In my prime, I was Ray Island. Nice. Yo, you love these 2000s, guys. I love him. I love Gordon. It makes so much sense.

Make so much sense. I think my guys who watch the most, obviously, I watch Abram, but I can't fucking be LeBron no matter what. But I love watching Paul George. I like the way he dribbled. But when I was like actually growing into my body. and I reached my peak after I got done with puberty

I think I was watching like Trey Young too much and I would just like focus on my shot overly to the point to where I'm like first thing I would do when I go to the gym take 40 foot threes damn I have that in my game still if I also compare myself to somebody

there's a video of me playing basketball already on the internet against Rusty I think he had like 100K subscribers or something like that and he came to win and then we played 101 and a lot of people set up paid like Erica Bledso so I was like Eric Bletsoe

Eric, but so. Yeah, at the time. But now I'm like my three-point shot's like way better and I prefer to shoot way more often because it's lazier and also easier to do. So, yeah, I don't know who my comparison is now, but. It's Palo. That's damn it.

Just throwing your body around trying to get the feet of line. But like being big. When your three-point shot is on, then it's like Palo with the jumper. It's the idealized version of Palo. Yeah. That's nice. So I'm like, I don't know if that's nice for me. I don't know.

Not yet. I don't know if Palo Mac Carroll is good enough. I don't know. I don't know if Palo Ben Carol compares to Mojo 9-9 and Prime. I don't know. I don't have a comparison because I don't hoop. I played football growing up. So I never gained the must memory of hooping.

So I really only played basketball in like college. And at that point, like I'd never played. So I never had that must memory, like I said. So I was there doing cardio. I seen you shoot a basketball. I was impressed. That's crazy to be impressed. My form is.

No, it is? No, it is. You're tripping. It is. It's all right. I mean, I don't, I'm not like embarrassing. Are you a corner city? What you said?

Are you a corner city? For sure. I can't dribble because I didn't grow up dribbling. So my handle is terrible. And I don't have size to finish over anybody or anything. So I got to be able to dribble. So I didn't be. You make yourself,

you're using them graphics words. It's like, you have this amalgamation of 70 different players and all the worst aspects. You're not like that. You make it sound like that. I'm too competent because I know myself. I'm not going to like do anything I know I can't do.

So I'm not going to embarrass myself ever. Because I'm just not going to like, I'm not going to drive on you and do this crazy shit that I know I'll look stupid. Are you confident in your jump shot? Confident? No, not really. I'll shoot a white open and I'm not going to like airball.

But I know I'm not going to make a whole lot of them. Isaac's best skill, strong brick wall screen set it. He'll set the screen. You will get open off the screen. He can operate in the short roll. Get the ball real quick. Pass out. If I was four inches taller, I could be out Horford.

So you're like PJ Tucker. PJ Tucker. PJ Tucker like to like pass a little bit. Whatever that looks like. So he's damn near Draymond. Okay. Yeah, but not, to see, I'm not big enough

because I can't really defend it. So I'm not big enough. But if I was four inches taller, I could be Dr. One. See how, now I'm like, okay. Who are you?

Bruce Brown? I guess. Yeah, I be out the corner sitting because I just know, I know myself enough to not trying to do too much and look silly. Yeah.

I just do a whole lot of nothing. I'll be doing patty cake where it was in the corner with me. Mo, how many head accessories do you own? Head accessories. Head accessories. I got my headphones.

There's shalom, by the way. I have these right here that are floating over my ear I got my du rags I got how many duregs I don't know like maybe five okay something like that solid rotation and then I have a couple of beanie

two that I wear in rotation yeah maybe like 12 I don't know some calm 12 maybe about four more hats you bought them rings from Chinatown oh I did I did I did I would have had headaches this series though

oh okay yeah oh you said rings yeah I got a couple of rings from Chinatown. Like two weeks or whatever. So I almost got God. I was like, yo, they got Chrome here for 30? Oh, it's just crazy. You'll never know.

Next one. What is the best way to grow your brand as a small content creator? And also who is the best defender on different NBA superstars? I don't know. Sarr Thompson. Even a star on different NBA stars. Oh, oh, specific. Oh, Nemhart on Shea.

Yeah, number one. Oh, for sure. Nimhart got Shea's number. When be on Jet. Stefan Castle on on Jalen, he gives him a lot of trouble. Jalen Brown?

Jalen Brunson. Oh. Oh, Big Strong. Yeah, anybody like, it really actually is Asar. Assar makes Jalen Brunson work so hard. Everyone Castle put Kate in a torch chamber for that one game in like January?

That was crazy. That's nice. That's tough. What is the best way to grow your brand as a small content creator? Trying really hard. That's like the unsexy answer is like people copy us a lot because obviously it's the podcast of a notable size. People will like replicate what works.

And everybody that copies us and like copies my editing style, copies it like very aesthetically and surface level where they'll just do a bunch of pictures popping up, sound effects, bright colors. And it misses the point. The real reason our stuff works is because the real reason our stuff works is because you try outlandishly hard in every way. Every single detail is like absurdly planned and made sure that we do everything exactly right.

In the editing process, I make sure I present our answers exactly right. Pace the content editing style-wise, exactly right. The way when we do our TikTok segments, the way names are presented and what order is excruciatingly planned, every aspect is given like immense effort. So there's people that have copied us

and made whole entire channels based on trying to like do what we do because like they're saying, why can't we do that? I know how to do those pretty pictures and drafts and shit, why we want to work for us. It's because they don't realize exactly why our stuff works, and it's mostly effort-based. Clock-y.

Clock-y, y'all. Do it. Yeah, the service level stuff is important. Like, when you're trying to copy, they answer your question, like, what's the best way to go to your brand. It is to look at what your favorite to do and try to understand why you like it

and add elements that into your own content. But don't, like, like I said, with an example for us, don't say, okay, so I need yellow text. I need pictures of pop up in the bottom, and I need a hook in the beginning. like it's not just that simple of copying it aesthetically like really think about why stuff works and why you like it so for us think that like when we do 20 questions game what do you like about that you like the fact that you have to watch a whole minute to see the answer and fall on with this as we guess that's why it works because you watch for 60 seconds not because the pictures match and make your eyes pop yeah that's pretty much the best way to go and talk about it right now obviously it's way easier to be a a content creator in general than it ever hasn't because short form is short form and in the matter of of like five minutes, your entire outlook could change as long as you're consistent.

And obviously, like, consistency is the name of the game too, which is probably the hardest part. Yeah. And it's not even like, like, it's different now because we have a whole studio and we have cameras and stuff. And it's funny because you'll go back and like if you see or if you remember like the, what the shorts look like at the start when we're like filming off of iPhones. Like it looks much different. And obviously like the quality has upgraded now.

But even whenever we were doing it on iPhone. iPhones, like the, the amount of time that we spent going back and forth about like, hey, your camera angle is not where it needs to be like you. I bug the fuck other than what every detail. You need to have like, go ahead, put tape down on your desk to know where your tripod needs to be at. It needs to be here. It needs to be there.

Like your head is too big in the frame. Like even if you're doing it not on like just with your iPhone on a very basic level, paying attention to every one of those details in the setup and making sure that that's like repeatable is something that you can. The amount of times I told Donovan and Moe when we're reporting separately to fix the head room on their camera, meaning the space in your head in the top of the frame, so there's enough space to vertically

frame it in a TikTok. The amount of times I'm like, zoom your camera out to left to the right. It's ridiculous. And that's honestly a big difference. Like look at a lot of people that do TikToks and stuff. You look at the frame of the TikTok, their face is too big. There's black bars on the bottom. Everything doesn't quite fit. Every little detail like that is important.

Like you see this right now what you're looking at with the three cameras here and you see this. and we want to pull up the four square one. Every time we record before we start, have Vesols change where the cameras are to make sure our heads are exactly centered in a good frame, make sure everything looks good. Every little detail matter.

Like truly all the pieces matter. But also, there are so many people out there in the world too who have like the perfect detail and all that, but sometimes they just don't have like much interesting things to say. Or don't necessarily, can't necessarily figure out how to like make people want to care about what you have to say. And it's going back, These are even more detail than that, but when it comes to how we sit down and, like, say our hooks after every TikTok,

they don't know this, but after every episode, we don't cut off the cameras. We keep it rolling. We say our hooks multiple times in so many different ways and try to figure out certain ways to make the TikTok hooks and all that, like, more digestible for everyone to understand. So it's really just like also like understanding people as well. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That level of detail is in this production. It goes to the way you talk, the way you're presenting on camera. There's plenty of times where we watch a segment. It happens. And when the camera's over, I say, we didn't do this right. next time I think you should handle it in this way and say this little faster and don't get caught up on this because it slowed the pace down the video and it kind of got away from the topic, whatever it may be. There's a lot of self-reflection and detailed about what you're saying,

how you're saying it, the way it looks, the way it sounds, every single part of it. Bro, I found out y'all were crazy was I understood you guys were a remote podcast, but when I would watch y'all clips, like the background, it was like, I could understand that y'all purposely made it seem like y'all were still in the same room. Yeah, we all had the semi-neon lights and stuff like that. I had them put up, like, albums the same way I would. Yeah. And the camera quality was the same.

We tried to make the lighting similar enough. And, like, the know of the most extra thing that nobody else does. When we were doing remotely, we had cameras there. They had Sony cameras. Yeah. I had them record in 4K. Yeah. Upload the footage.

Send it to me. I downloaded it. I timed it all up in Premiere Pro, edited it, exported it with three, 4K cameras. Yeah. Instead of, like, using Riverside or some kind of group call thing where you just record it naturally. Yeah. Now, we want to get peak quality.

So every single night, they were up. uploading 4K files that I had to download and edit together. That was hell some nights. If there's internet issues, I was up all night. Bro, when I was a guest on the first time, I'm like, all right, okay, we're going on Riverside or Zoom call or whatever it is. I'm like, all right, I'm going to see everyone's webcam and everything. It was a fucking FaceTime call.

Everyone was on their phones. I'm like, oh, so they're locally recording. All right. Y'all are different. Y'all are different. Yeah. Literally, whatever we can maximize quality-wise, you maximize it. Yeah.

Next up. I am so desperate says What is each one of y'all's favorite movie Here are my guess is Moe is Sharktail Or Cat in the Hat Don is X-Men with no FX Beesso is Godfather He's a performative film buff

And Isaac is no country for old men Good pick for me It's not no country for old man But that is a good movie Shark Tale or Cat in the Hat First of foremost One fact Shout out to Shark Tail

I never watched Cat in Hat Day in my life yet Not just yet Not just yet Like you're going to a 30 I swear to God, no listen If you look on my Netflix, Cat and Hat is, I started that movie

and I'm like 15, 20 minutes in That's crazy. I'm taking it out. I swear to God, I'm not lying. He couldn't finish Caton Hat. I took a nap, bro, sorry. He couldn't get through. His attention spent is so cooked

He can't watch. Caton the Hat 206 by Michael Myers. I was sleepy, bro. Mike Myers, Kat the Hat couldn't get through it. Once three, four PM rolls in, it's news time. Wait question. How often do you read books? Me?

Oh yeah, you weren't there that day He does not read. I read books often. I did read this weekend. What did you read? What was it? Sponsor Magnet. It's a book called Sponsor Magnet.

50 pages. You read 50 pages? I know. Wow. Okay. A lot of applause. A picture pages. A book about sponsors?

No pictures. Yeah. Yeah. I read like semi often every month for sure. Like maybe like every weekend I'll like dedicated time to just trying to make, I'm progressing on the singular book. So yeah. Okay.

I don't read like. like every day, but every weekend I'll get it in. So what's your favorite movie? I honestly, when it comes to like the whole film, I'm the worst when it comes to this. I always say this. I'm a YouTube kid, bro, at the end of the day. You tax my favorite YouTubers from different genres. I can name some of a favorite movie.

I don't really have one yet, honestly, not just yet. Social network or Goodwill Hunting. Someone like me would say Hancock. Will Smith? Like, that's what I'm telling you right now. I also love a rival. That's up there. Mine's drumline.

Drumline. That's good. That was the number one movie. Like, if we ever in band, if we ever had like an off there or whatever, or a band director wasn't there, they put on drumline. Those battles used to go crazy. This is crazy. Mine is either Remember the Titans.

Love that. Or Whiplash. Oh, well, Whiplash is amazing. What's the worst movie you guys watched? The other day when we were, I think, like, your birthday dinner, I told y'all, you know, poetic justice is much of bullshit. I'm trying to get into my film back so I can like really level up as a creator. And understand like why or understand like why certain movies are bigged up as to how it is.

Understand the storyline and all that. And just really like upgrade my mind in general. Biggest bullshit I seen in my life, bro. Worst movie of all time. Terrible. I'm trying to get into the movie. I didn't watch interstellar. I didn't watch Dune.

I didn't watch nothing. I watched poetic justice and I hated it. Yeah, bro. Terrible. Could Beesoles Glazed Tatum in Filipino? Could I? I mean, I still know the language. I just don't know what words I'd use.

Are you fluent? Yeah, yeah. I still speak it at home. But what's the vernacular that you used to glaze? Again, it's one of those things. I got to be in a specific mode to speak Filipino, man. You just perform Filipino right now? I can't.

Come on, glaze. That's like telling some, oh, speak English. Like, what do I say? Well, I mean, they're telling you what to say. How do you say? How do you say, like, Tatum's a top five? I actually never heard Filipino before. Tatum's top five.

I mean, there's a lot of, there's a mixture of English within our language. Okay. So if someone were to say Tatum is top five, I would just say, see, Tatum is top five. That's it. Okay. So in that sentence, it was mostly English. Yeah. Gotcha.

So answers, yes. Beesoles could glaze Tatum and Filipino, but he won't because you asked. Yes. Do you guys remember your first time watching basketball or really getting into sports discourse? What got you into basketball? as a fan um 07 finals is the first one that i like remember real really watching and then my my aunt uncle they live in new york and so they and at the top like they went to the NBA store and they got me like four pictures of the spurs winning a championship and so it's like it's like like my new

or tony whoever won the finals MVP like they showed all them and so i think i remember watching game four and then the 08 finals with uh celtics lakers and kobe that was my first one where i feel like from start to finish i was like watching the season being like dialed in and everything and i'm such a big Kobe fan and they got blown out bro i cried myself to sleep because because cobi just got destroyed in game six but that was probably the first one i wasn't a basketball fan for middle school i didn't watch basketball at all growing up i was a football a little bit of baseball fan when I was on elementary school. 2011, because the LeBron

decision and the whole media rollout around that on the Sports Center, is what got me into basketball. Yeah, sports center in 2010, 2011. Yeah, I think what initially got me into basketball, not the thing about it, it was probably when I was like seven or eight years old is when I started like shooting a basketball a lot.

And when I was like, around nine or ten years old, where Kobe was like cementing his legacy and all that. And I would watch just Kobe jump shots and I'll be in the driveway shooting for fucking a long ass time recording on like 240p my jump shot progress and then when I got older of course I wasn't like watching watching basketball like that but what helped me get into it was watching um the starters on NBA TV at the time now they're known as no dunks no dunks and they still do their thing but I used to watch them like heavily and it was such like a easy way to get into the game while also like making it real fun yeah yeah I was in elementary school standing

Durel Revis and Liddini and Thomson I didn't care at all that's so crazy your fucking bonehead That's so violent, man And Lenny and Thomas MVP leave Yeah, I got into basketball A little bit later So that's why I'm terrible at trivia From pre-2010s

Because obviously I know the like Big storylines, big players, big everything I've learned over time From 2000s and 90s and stuff But do you ask me to do trivia from Two-thous and niche stuff That isn't the obvious I don't know what damn thing

He cooked in that class video That was all modern stuff though But there's another class dude It hasn't come out yet I did what some other YouTubers there's a segment about 2000 trivia I didn't know jack shit Okay

I'm gonna say that thing Because you was cooking in that clash video Yeah that's what was easy that time though But like if you get into like real trivia That you had to be there or no I wasn't there so I just do not know I can't even like tell you a name Because I just do not know who the

Third Best Player on the Bobcast It was in 2005 or whatever Okay What were your dream jobs Slash what were you studying in college Before the pod Honestly this was dream job Like

It wasn't YouTube podcast No, but like the overall sentiment was just like, I just want to talk sports for a living. But talk about the medium because we're journalism students. So what did you actually think it would look like for you? So the way it was presented to us in journalism school was you're going to get your degree here. You're going to go work at some newspaper or whatever. Work at the newspaper a little bit. And then after that, try to get on to some like multimedia or some like bigger publication,

start doing multimedia for them and then from there it's like all right see if you can get one of like the four jobs on ESPN, FS1, whatever. So you want to be on TV? It was the answer. Yeah, I think broadcast was a little bit more. That makes sense. More so than radio or anything like that. Right before the pod when I was in college, I was trying to be a writer because I was getting a

journalism degree. So I was trying to be like an editorial like analysis writer. Quickly realized that's a dying industry and I should probably pivot and started focusing really heavily on video for my junior and senior year. So from that point, it was doing this or like what I was doing before the show started when I was working house of highlights as a producer slash like content strategist pretty much that but like even going back to like middle school I was pretty pretty certain I was going to do YouTube at some point because that was like the generation of like when YouTube kids that was like the first generation of YouTube kids that was like I want to be YouTube where when I

grow up yeah I was getting like recording call duty videos on a algado when the Algado first came out eighth grade and shit like that they had the hop hog back there yeah yeah I remember the dazzle was what you recorded yeah they don't know ball man it's cool it's cool yeah so I was pretty certain from a young age I was going to YouTube at some point in some variety. Or you had an Elgado and Roche's growing up. You were living in life. You had a good life, man. What's funny is I really did it.

I was pretty broke and somehow. My mom got me in Algado for Christmas. Yo, she's the goat, man. Yeah, yeah. I was like, we broke, but always had the best Christmas presents somehow. For your mom's a goat, that's crazy. I think I always wanted to YouTube. I started doing YouTube when I was like 18, 19 years old.

And then over the course, like maybe three or four years, I peaked out of like 45,000 subscribers or something like that. And at that point in time, I was like, fuck, I'm at like 40, 45K. And at that point in time, I'm not feeling necessarily burnout. But I feel like I've reached my peak when it comes to content creation. And I need to be in different rooms where people are like clearly smarter than me and approach content creation from a different lens. And so I went from, I stopped doing YouTube, I think my junior year of college.

And I just completely put it out a pause so I can go to another room and figure out like where to go next to my. career and then I think that's when I applied to be a writer for clutch points actually. And then they saw my stuff obviously. They're okay, you can make video for us. And then I did that for a little bit. And then that's when I stumbled into the house of highlight stuff. And so this is pretty much like all I wanted to do since I was like 17, 18 years old.

I just didn't know how I was going to get there. Yeah. And if you do want to do this and you are currently in like a journalism program, switch your major. Switch your major. There's a question that said that. It said, what do you suggest for people going to journalism score right now? Switch your major.

And I was like, I don't have nothing good to tell you. I'm sorry. Switching me. Every time that we had a guest speaker, and I was just talking about this with some people like two weeks ago, it's like the journalism program that we went through, they didn't do like a great job of actually like just being real with everybody about where the state of the industry was.

And so every time that they had like a guest speaker and somebody who was actually a journalist, they would come back. They were like, listen, you got to love this. Because if you do not wake up every day and just have like the brain, of being a journalist, you're going to hate life because it's a lot of just, it's a lot of nonsense. You're not going to get paid. Like it's really, really tough out here. You really have less job security than you think.

And when I worked at the paper, like, obviously a bunch of people were, were journalism majors. We had people in the sports section that were like aerospace engineer majors, like people who were doing just all other types of stuff and had all different types of majors. Go get your business degree. So you can get a sales job afterwards if it doesn't work out. switch out of the journalism major. And do something else on the side. Y'all don't think y'all had a lot of transferable skills.

I was going to say that. I wouldn't say it's completely useless. Okay, so journalism school, especially probably these days, it's not about in the same way that like going to be a school for your engineer, you're learning how to be an engineer. You need to learn how to do that job. Otherwise, you're not qualified. You won't know how to do it.

Journalism isn't necessarily that. Like, you can write right now. You can ask questions right now. You don't need to know how to do it be a school. But it, like, teaches you, like, how to think. to do it well. And like that, there is some transferable skills there.

Like I think we treat the parts of the show where we talk about the game. I try to frame it very like substantively in ways that I probably learn from journalism school that like obviously we get jokes off and stuff. It's a podcast, we get casual. But like when we talk about it like the stuff that matters,

I try to like frame it well and like make sure we hit the talking points and treat it with the level of sincerity it deserves. And I think a lot of that is probably learned from journalism school. Probably. Probably. But I think, I think one,

should you pay a four year degree for that? I don't know. That's what I'm saying. Like, you can, you can switch your major and you can still take journalism classes. I think for a majority of, like, the ethics or the, like, yeah, if you're talking about, like, the ethics and the basics and the basics and just structuring about, like, how to write and how to do stuff, a lot of those stuff is taught in, like, the intro of, in, like, the first, like, year or two where you don't have to major, you don't have to minor. So you can still, obviously, like, be interested to take classes if you want to. But I think having that be like the foundation of everything, I don't think the journalism degree has to be the foundation.

To be fair, we graduated five years ago now. So maybe it's shifted to be more digital since then. Can't really speak to what it's like today. But yeah, if it was like it was when we started college in 2018, then yeah, it's super outdated. I had to imagine that the universities are going more digital now and kind of like understanding where they're at. Otherwise the major will just fucking die inevitably.

So presumably it's a little better these days. Yeah. When I was coming out of high school, I knew what I wanted to do, but I didn't necessarily like, didn't know how to get there. And I was pretty much growing up in an African household, it's like, you have to go to school, go to school, go to school, doctor, lawyer, and I'm just like, bro, I'm not smart enough to do any of that shit, nor do I give a flying fuck about either of those things to do. So I took a gap year from high school because I'm like first gen here in America.

I don't necessarily want to waste my dad's money. So what's something I could do to help, like, grow linearly to what I eventually want to do? and it's exactly what you said, your whole journalism route. And I learned so much there and it kind of helped bring a certain level of, I would say,

professionalism. And it just showed me how to get the baseline things done the right way. And it helped my videos genuinely when I'm the only one I know who has media literacy and when somebody sends a fake tweet that's clearly from a fake source

that says some bullshit. Like the Warriors are thinking about signing Bronny James in the summer. I'm the only one I can say, bro, that's obviously not a real source. Can you fucking learn how to read and think for a second? That's probably from journalism school.

I want to be a paleoism school. I want to be a paleontologist. Word. What is that? A dinosaur scientist. Really? Yeah, like, when I was like four. Oh, okay.

Well, yeah, when I was four, I wanted to be an astronaut. Yeah. And then I wanted to be an NBA player, but then I maxed out of 5-8. So there's that. And then I did, I do have a computer science degree, so I'm a STEM, bro. Nice. I would have never thought that also. Yeah, you got a real degree.

Yeah. Yeah, I got a degree in a hobby. As they say, Don, you never forget. your first. Who was your first NBA player you hated? Bro, I can't stand Jason Terry. To this day, I hated Jason Terry. You really does hate Jason. Why? Because I used to be a LeBron Stan. Hard to believe these days. I can not hard to believe based on our last episode 13. Yeah. I stills once in a while. I used to be a stand and in 2011 like, well,

actually no. I guess I guess technically maybe it would have been like Paul Pierce since like they've since they, since like they beat Kobe like that. But the one that I had like a visceral reaction to is probably Jason Terry. Because that 2011 finals and he's out here hitting threes over Braun, I'm like, oh my goodness. If I ever see you. When he got, bro, if I first see. Bro, when LeBron got his get back and he dunked on him like either in 2012 or 2013, that picture of him dunking out on LeBron, I used to have a computer class in high school every day.

Because like at every period, everybody would go and change the background. Every day I'm changing it to LeBron dunking on Jason Terry. Oh, and he was on the Celtics. Yeah. That's so insane. I hate Jesse so much to this day. Like Kobe James says, how do you guys watch basketball? I want to be more analytical and strategic you can I watch.

Well, I want to be more analytical and strategic when I watch. But right now, I feel like I'm just a casual and I'm just watching for fun. Like Adam Silver says, turn on them highlights. How's what you doing now? Oh, obviously, I'm not going to act like I'm some fucking expert. I'm not a scout. But I think the one way to watch a little bit better than surface level is don't watch the ball. watch the defenders and offensive players around the ball

because you can watch the ball from peripheral vision and you know where it's at watch what the center is doing rotating watch what the off-up players are doing cutting look at what the defense is doing if they're in a zone if they're hedging and like you know really like closing the gaps and shifting towards the man with the ball in his hand throwing soft doubles watch everything besides a guy dribbling

I'll say like one find people who you know are smart and then watch them and watch them and how they talk about the game and look at the things that they're pointing out and then start to look for those things whenever you're watching the game. And then even the highlights and stuff,

like I remember when I was little, like I, even in like my own just like playing regular basketball, I felt like I got better just seeing basketball. If you're just watching it like watching an emulker or watching like a highlight tape, like there was like a two-week span where I was just watching Steve Nash just nonstop. And then all of a sudden like as I was watching

was watching the game, I had seen Steve Nash do this one move so many times and, and like manipulate the defense so many times in this one way that as I was watching the games, now it's like, oh, I know exactly what's about to happen after doing that. So finding players, like, yeah, finding players and watching them over and over and over, and then as you do that, you start to see their patterns and you start to pick up on patterns and then you can start realizing that for yourself. Yeah. And then as far as the analytical side with numbers, try to think about any number you can

past the box score through the lens of like how does it match what I'm seeing on the court. So if I'm looking at just something as simple as field goal percentage in different areas, and I see maybe you think, what's a good example here? Maybe you think so-and-so is the best rim finish in the league because you saw him dunk on somebody one time. Maybe you think Donovan Mitchell is the best room finisher in the NBA because you see him jump real high, he dunked on a few people. Then you look at the numbers and you see, oh, he shoots average at the rim compared to some other guys

because he's smaller and isn't exactly always dunking on people, right? Go back and watch the game and see what you're. what you're missing, why you're kind of swayed by the highlight moments and once you're not seeing on the rest of the plays, where maybe he's not finishing every single time and try to match up an understanding of why did the numbers not reflect what I'm looking at. Yeah, I agree. And also, too, like something that actually helps as well, at least like building up a baseline level of some type of knowledge, it's playing 2K, honestly, bro.

Like, that's some of that people just don't necessarily talk necessarily. No. Playing 2K, send screens on running plays that you necessarily don't think about when you're watching the game. Obviously, you don't see all these drawn on circles and all that. Like, that shit is in the tuck of the coach's pocket and all that. So it's like that as well helps so much. So I agree with you when it comes to the patterns, playing 2K,

and also just being out there yourself and just experimenting. And noticing patterns in like real life too will actually help. Just watching a lot of full games. Everything is about volume and pattern recognition is the name of everything. Like in life, learning how things work is about pattern recognition. And you can only do that by consuming it a lot and paying attention. Yeah. That's my answer to everything.

Back to the episode of the question about how to grow your channel. stuff trying really hard and doing it a lot yeah also don't um if if if if you're watching stuff just because the play ends in a miss shot that doesn't mean that everything that happened in that play doesn't matter like there are still a lot of things that can be taken even if like you can you can you can tell that oh the offense did something really good here even if even if the play ends in a in a miss shot like you can you don't always have to just look at all the makes and every every made shot is not bad defense on one side and And every misshot is not good defense on the other.

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. What's one other basketball podcast channel you look up to or did when you were beginning? Bill Simmons was probably my biggest inspiration growing up. I started watching him or listening to him on the BS report before he left ESPN, one of the like original sports podcast in ninth or 10th grade. It's like 2015. Like yeah, right before he left ESPN. And that was like very influential early on from me learning that you can talk about sports in a like opinion-based, entertaining way.

weaving in humor and pop culture and stuff like that. Yeah, I've listened to him in like six years now, but he really was formative for me, like understanding what avenue was sports conversation I wanted to go down. I think for me, my like daily dose of content wasn't a basketball podcast at the time. At the time, we talked about it recently actually, Bezos. It was slam dunk comedy. He would make like, SDC would make every day daily videos recapping like the biggest stories, the biggest things that happened the night prior.

And that kind of like helped give me, it like started my hook and addiction for basketball. and knowing what was going on every day. Yeah, and Zach Lowe is also one. I even watch now. It's my, by far, my most consumed other creator. I think in 2024 was, I watched every Spotify, usually wrapped, I watched every single episode of the low post that you hear. Wow.

Damn. Which kind of glazing, I guess. Yeah, those two guys are my goats probably. And ironically, first take. Yeah. I was waiting for someone to say, man. First thing. I was a Stephen A. Merchant angle.

That was me. That was me. I think Stephen A was, because I think I was, I was late into the, into the podcast game, just like listening to a lot of, a lot of them, like, in rotation. And so for a long time, like, first take and kind of just like the ESPN, really just like the talk show ethos in general was a lot of, of what I was, like, listening to and those people were kind of the voices. But Bill Simmons, in terms of podcasting, Bill Simmons is probably my goal.

Yeah. One Dad 406 says, I need the fellas to violently, make sure it's violent, by the way, when you respond to this, violently debate on who has the best, most consistent drip. It's not me. That's not very violent of you. Sometimes I'll be coming up here and sweats, but I'm just trying to get my workout out in right afterwards. So definitely not me. I'm mad and consistent. Let's see what the fits are looking like right now, man.

I got a T-shirt and pants on. I got my AF-1s, cocaine's on my feet, elite socks, drifted these pants, drifted this as well. well white tinder got the doc martin's on which is always funny when a 14 year old comments are those they're all outdated like what are his feet i'm like we're the jays yeah i'm an adult man yeah i don't know all three of us have like different styles so it's like nobody wants to get violent that's crazy i know be soles violently debated y'all do not be putting that on that shit you have on his fucking whack i don't think i ever seen you wear sweats on the show unless it's like an emergency episode so i think you yeah one time

I wore shorts and shirt and people said it look like I came out at the gym because we were a night after Bam out of bio. Yeah. Everybody noticed? Yeah. Yeah. It's also easy because my closet is right there. Very true.

You do them here. Yeah. But Beasles go to your solo cam? Yeah. You see that LeBron James? You see it to the right? That's my closet. Those are jackets.

That's the yellow car shirt I wore a few weeks ago. So it's pretty easy for me to put clothes on the last second. Mog y'all right now, chat. All right. Get the fuck out of here. If you're still here, comment, why did Beasels have the Magas? When did y'all start getting interested in basketball?

What made you choose your favorite team? That's the part. We were talking about when you get into it. What made you choose your favorite team? Mind is simple. Damn. I live in Atlanta, but I was born in North Carolina.

The Charlotte Hornard's fucking terrible. Second best players, Egghead Henderson. I have to be a Hawks fan. So it was just convenient. The Hornets were ass. I picked the Hawks. Yeah.

I was born in Los Angeles. My mom's a Lakers fan, so I got it from her. my dad's from New York and grew up going to New York a lot. And my dad's not a Knicks fan, but my Uncle Roger is. And so I just remember watching the Knicks very, very consistently. And they were always like one of the teams that I rooted for. And so I remember growing up also one of my, like the day I like really, really locked in,

one of my uncles, he made me swear in on like a Knicks jersey to be a Knicks fan for like. You're nicking, just crazy. Your uncle made you swear. Yeah. How old were you? Probably like 13 or something like that. Yeah, not, not my, I'm an uncle, I did another, another uncle. And so, yeah, I was, I was there.

And so he brought out, I put my, put it over a Bible or so. Yeah, yeah, like I put my hand on and put my hand up. Wow. I forget the exact verb is, but he had me, like, swearing to be a Knicks fan. That's crazy, man. That's insane. I immigrated to America in 2009 in Boston. Austin, so 2009, 2010, Big Three, Celtics Lakers.

Oh, so you got there right after the championship. Yeah, so I never saw the OA championship. It was like a myth to me for the longest time. Same way for me. Like I said, I started watching basketball in 2011 right after Lakers won championships. So I never grew up with success. I just like was vaguely aware of it because my family was a Lakers fan, but I can go a fuck.

I was playing Pokemon. So it was like whatever to me. Yeah. By the time I jumped in, everything was tragic for 15 years. That's me with the NFL or now being a Patriots fan. I was around all the Patriots success. Now I'm getting into football as a Patriots fan. Yeah, no, most teams don't even.

I've never seen my team in the Super Bowl. I probably never will. That's crazy. That's tough. I've seen too crazy. You can talk about tragic fan bases. I'll never know anything good. Isaac, you mentioned Call of D Zombies an episode or two back.

Favorite Maps. Did y'all play Colody Zombies at any point? No. I was like the first one, yeah. The first one. I don't play zombies. I don't play zombies. All I know is I had a ring gun, a ray gun.

Ray gun. Yeah, back in 2010 or whatever. I used to get motion sickness playing gun games. I'm not going to lie. That's so whack. Motion sickness is playing the game. The only game I'd really play was like Pokemon, 2K, that's it. Once you introduce the 3D elements of things and, ooh, that should cook my brain.

I'm not going to lie, bro. You have to man up. What are you talking about? I just explained why motion sick that's yes I get nauseous I play one round of my old I can't I can't I understand you know that I understand

I understand I can't yeah I understand doesn't mean I have to respect it okay it's pretty weak motion sick yeah I'm old now in terms of video games so like I type out two rounds he was throwing up on the side Loser Loser that's crazy

I tapped out in Black Ops 3 Black Off 3 is a last game My tummy hurts I try to get it off. I just trying to move on. My tummy hurts. We can't have. Keen under Totin.

Or I really love Shangri-Law, even though it's not peak or anything. Some reason I love Shangri-Law. Next one. What's some of the hardest parts about coming together to make videos and live streams? And what types of people are behind the scenes

that help keep the channel afloat? Behind the scenes, it's Beasol's now as a producer that's on camera and helps me with the planning of the TikTok segments and general ideating. to get new ideas. Andrea, my girlfriend works for us.

She has a graphic designer that does all things graphics, merch, logos, branding, the graphics you see on screen now and the show. And also this stuff too. She decorated the studio. She's basically the creative director

of all things that have any type of visual component. And now we have a editing team that we work with that for the longest time I edited all of our videos. Once we expanded to uploading two shorts a day

and a football channel, I could not continue to edit all of our videos. So now we have an editing team that I kind of work together with or kind of co-editing with where I kind of lay the structure of it. They edit it and then send it to me and I go through the file and I took whatever I want.

So I still have control over every frame that goes out on every short, but I don't have to do 100% of the work. Yeah, that's the whole team. Yeah. I used to edit the clips way back in the day and then I eventually came to him because obviously the football stuff was just OD. And that was like a lot of volume that we were putting out while also like trying to catch up to where you guys are at when it comes to the football knowledge overall.

And so that was like a whole error in phase too. But outside of that, yeah, we got a team. now. Yeah. Yeah. So Be Souls, Andrea, and the editing team that I co-edit every shorts with.

Yeah. But long-form, long-form podcast episodes, we still edit ourselves. Oh, what's the hardest part about coming together to make videos and live streams? I don't know,

I live here and I'm the one that's like, yeah, I feel like, I'm the one that's insane about it. So y'all, you all, you'll tell me your perspective. A lot of the hardest parts were just about,

a lot of, a lot of, like, the hardest parts happened when we were remote. Yeah. And just making sure that like everything, everything legitimately had to be

perfect because if any one of our Wi-Fi was down for like 10 minutes it throws everything off it throws the upload schedule off um if there there wasn't if we make a mistake now like we've had we've had episodes there was one where i think um my file and like my video was like cutting in and out the whole time that's because the night before the file had gotten corrupted and so if that happened now obviously it would be annoying but we could come back and we could you know do something about it because we're all here. If that happened, you know,

a year and a half ago when we're remote, it is what it is. And it's very hard. And if it's completely unworkable, then we all have to wake up at six o'clock in the morning on a Friday to re-record everything. The horror stories you had in remote.

You know, to then get all of these stuff out. Like, we've had to do that. There's a question about that later then we'll get there's a question about our horror stories. So there's, yeah,

that was kind of like the biggest barrier. And now that we're in person, a lot of that just doesn't really happen. What's the hardest part now about the way we do things and we talk about how strenuous and crazy detail that everything is, what's the hardest part about the whole process and the way we do it compared to most people from your perspective? It's easy for me to say where I'm just the demanding one that's like, we need to do this, this, this, this. I don't even know. At this point, like, honestly, it just feels

normal. Like, I had never done a show prior to this. And so now this is just how we operate. And so if I see somebody else in the way that they operate and it's in a different way, I'm like, okay, that's how they do it, but it just very, it feels just, this is. We've done 200 times. Yeah. I feel like for me personally, now obviously like we got Beasles now, so a lot of that burden has been alleviated. But I feel like I got to a point to where creatively I didn't really like peaked or plateaued or whatever when it comes to coming up with ideas. Yeah.

And that was just like probably the hardest part considering the vol, this year amount of volume and how we're always trying to come out with some new and a lot of times whenever we're like in our trying to be in our. ideating sessions, I just come with bullshit ideas. And so sometimes it's so hard to look at who your peers might be or whatever and try to like come with ideas. And now we, I find myself trying to like go to other like niches that aren't about basketball trying to go with ideas. So it's the idea's part probably that's just so hard. The part you just said at the end is why luckily I don't struggle with that yet.

I go to. So everybody takes ideas from what works in your niche. That's like, no, it comes to the territory. People take our ideas. We take their ideas that happens no matter what part of YouTube you're in. that's like our secret sauce is I go to anime TikTok I go to film TikTok I go to cooking food TikTok whatever it is and I find ideas through that that's definitely the number one thing that helps alleviate that is I'm like super tapped into other niches and like always learning from

that like everybody does keep four cut four now on sports to do it on sports ticot I'm pretty sure we were one the first ones to do that I got that straight from anime TikTok straight from anime to talk I think it was a key four cut four with characters like Goku and shit like that yeah wow Same thing with King of the Hill. I got that shit straight from anime TikTok. Pretty much everything that we do that shapes what people copy from us, I get straight from other niches. And I mean,

that's pretty much... They do, because they do power scanning and shit like that, so it's really, really applicable to comparing NBA players. Yeah. That's crazy. That's fair. Mine was getting up in the morning. This is the first job I've ever had to play a cup and physically go to work.

Really? Yeah. What time would you be up normally? In the past. 11.30. Wow. Noon. Around there.

Noon? Yeah. I'm like a lot. He's just coming out of Mr. man. Once again, camera sparing. Most of sickness you get up in noon.

Have you seen that clip of John Bernthal talking about why he hates naps? Uh-uh. This is famous clip John Berthal, the actor plays punisher and much other stuff. And he's talking about how he hates naps. He's like, man, naps are for the birds. The whole world's moving and you're asleep.

What are you doing? I love that. like waking up at noon. Yeah, I don't, I don't hate naps. I feel like naps are unnecessary. Not naps are for the birds. I'm very much starting to get into like my, my old man bag of like, I'd like to wake up earlier and earlier.

And I'm trying to, I'm trying to get that like as consistent as possible. I'm not there yet. No, let's bring up. Hooper Premium says, what was Mo's worst subject in school? I like this. Okay, so listen, listen, listen, Pete. obviously language arts was my fucking bag i never got like below 85 ever in my entire life in that easiest class to me um i liked i liked math because it's very like one word it's like vertical

there's no other ways to like get a specific answer history is like cool pretty much a snooze fest i like routinely got like i don't know 80s 75s in that class i'm just like whatever history cool science i think gave me like hell because that there's just like so many things to explain. There's so many different ways to get to an answer. Everything else is pretty much up for grabs except for language arts, obviously. But, bro, science kicked my ass.

Chemistry blew me out the fucking waters and I was in 10th grade. Donovan, was your worst subject in school? Science, but the only the first B I got was in biology. And then in college, the only two classes I dropped were

science classes. My mom's probably history. not because I'm like bad at it but I was a very lazy student where I just coasted on being able to be good at tests I didn't like try it all like I never I didn't learn how to study like really ever because I was a journalism major

for my for my core classes in college our study sessions were great yeah I didn't learn how to study until college because I had to for like my core history classes like that so I'm not good at memorizing things because I never fucking tried I just coasted off of being able to understand things listening the first time so something like history

where you have to like memorize names of presidents or whatever I was just bad at it because I wouldn't try so I got cooked. The same thing with science to some degree where you had to memorize things. Anything that wasn't like applying understanding

like algebra is really easy obviously writing stuff like that where it's based on being able to be good at doing the thing if I had to memorize and like study and learn something by repetition did not put in the effort.

Yeah. Yeah. A.O. Cam 2882 was the pettiest non-sported thing you've made fun of your friend about this is a very aptly to our friend group because especially you can call it friends

constant roasting of everything. What's the pettiest thing? you can think about. Petty's thing? The pettiest thing you roast it are fun about. That's so hard. We have a very roastable

ring group. It's like a catalog. One time. One time, Benny and I went to, we went to like, Chick-Blay or something, and he ordered the meal.

He got a large. And just the way that he said large was weird that day. And so to this day, like, I'll, like, say large to him in that way. And he knows that, like,

yeah, you said that really, weird. Yeah, that's probably it. The way people say regular words is the peddiest thing to make fun of a friend about. He also, that was one time, I went to a thrift store, got an old school Charlotte Hornets jersey, and I wore it around one day. Every 10 minutes, he popped up with a camera and started playing the baby in the back.

Oh, the petty same thing had been to find me about. Donovan's weird overestimation of the importance of ginger rail in the world. He likes Jindorale. It's fine. I like Jindrail too. His overestimation of how much everybody likes Jindiril is hilarious. You said it was the default drink at airplanes?

He said it's the default drink of airplanes. And he said it's the soda. I said, I said outside of like, because Coke Zero and D.C., they got that. No, you didn't say that. I swear to God you didn't. Because I was like clearly. I gave them the props.

And if I didn't say it, then I did me to say it. D.C. and Coke Zero, they got it. I understand. They are the stars. I'm not going to. to say that gingero is a is a is a bigger than the program in that way however if we're talking about podium gingero's got to be on the podium but it's not also it's right yeah it's not a big three it's better i think i think it's better than spright i don't think in terms of popularity though

like preferences is is a different thing i think i think it's certainly not big three i think i think it's better i think it's better than than sprite i think it's better than a lot of the fanta drinks any other like if you get you know your one off you get your grape soda here your your apple soda carritos now they got some stuff and I heard that they were working on on a zero sugar one ooh without change the fucking I heard what I have upstairs I don't know if you tried it zero sugar squirt oh yeah I've got you put me on of that it's delicious grapefruit soda squirt it's a Mexican shit I have zero sugar squirt it's incredible dude I tried squirt for the first time when I was in Texas I think Benny put me on and then you put me on too

Man, it's special. Have you had Big Red? Have you had? Benny put me on a bit red too. But I only had it once because it's OD sugar. I don't think there's a zero sugar one. I'm sure there's probably gross as fuck. Yeah.

Also, I know, and we talked about this last time, I know Dr. Pepper also has a claim. It's very polarizing. That's the only reason why I'm not going to give it podium. Tessing Ginger O's in polarizing no one cares about it. No one talks about it. Stop. Ginger O's like that. It's good.

It's good, but it's not important. It's up there. I think it's always in the room, but a lot of people may not realize this in the room. Because yeah, nobody cares. It has the marketing and the branding and the branding behind Gingerow hasn't been as good as everybody. It's because it's old, you know. First off, I want to say y'all's podcast

that helped me through some pretty hard times. Appreciate it. He said, I want to say, thank y'all for always being there to laugh every day I need it. Well, T.E3 and Housecall. Appreciate you. Fallout, so-so. My question is, what is y'all's goat,

breakfast, lunch, and dinner? Much love from Texas. Goat breakfast? Goat breakfast is French toast or bagel. Goat breakfast always has to be some poached eggs and some pancakes.

Posted eggs, wow. I've never heard you talk about poach eggs. I'm baking to poach eggs. So your French toast, your pancakes? Andrea loves like Benedict. Fire. Yeah.

Some bennies, they're good. Go did lunch. I'm a waffle guy for breakfast. I like waffles. Okay. What's the best lunch food? What does that mean to distinction of that between that and dinner?

The best... Lunch is a bunch of bullshit, man. You can have a lot. I do. I think that like. It's a filler meal. Free. Like the top top just as stable as it can get, but it can be super super high.

I think a burger and fries is for lunch. Tacos for lunch. It's up there. Tacos is the peak lunch. Yeah. I don't really have like a go-to, go-to for lunch for real. I got Chipotle a lot. You get tacos?

Yeah. I've been, I just went to Chipoli for the first time like two weeks ago and maybe like a year. Since I moved to Chicago, I'd like rarely had chocolate. Yeah, stay there. This is very good macros. I had Popeyes for the first time in a minute. Dude, I had Popeyes like six months ago too. I felt so bad.

I'm getting to the age where certain very heavy foods like that because I eat a little cleaner now. When I eat like that, damn, I finally feel it. I'm getting old. Yeah. Dude, I had a Popeye's biscuit for the first time. Man, oh man, it was so good. Felt like shit afterwards.

Yeah. I'm like sure. Before 25 years old, nothing made me feel like shit. I can eat whatever I want. And now when you're not constantly eating garbage, You eat a little older Karen a little more. You eat something super greasy. And I'm like,

yo, I see why people don't do this all the time. The way, so I don't feel like that with Popeyes. Cains makes me feel like that. No. Which is weird because they give you less chicken. And it's pretty,

it's relatively clean, like in terms of like how it's fresh. Yeah. But even if I just get like a regular, like just a box combo and I even do too much with a caniac. Like the... I've never got a caniac in my life.

It's a canyack. Is that the five piece? Six piece. Oh, okay. We get that, but we share it. That's a perspective of it. Oh, no, I used to have the Kaniak by itself.

I remember, I think I've never gone to Kenya. I've always gone box. Keniak is crazy. Have you seen those, like, crazy people that get like a cup of the sauce? Yeah. I think that Muck-Bang guy that looks like you. What? You know, I get tagged seven times a day.

And y'all think y'all are so original. You look just like one. What do y'all do when you're not recording Tee through your house call? Spare time, hobbies, et cetera. Much love from Amsterdam. Oh, we pop into Amsterdam? Damn. That's crazy.

Mr. Will Wides. What's that? On this topic, somebody commented on here and said, they're talking about working out a lot, and Isaac talks about working out,

but he has a typical nerd build. Does anybody know if you actually work sound? Typical nerd? Can we confirm this? Like, I got to be up your built like Lou Dort. Oh, my God. I don't know.

Apparently I got a typical nerd field. We're talking about being fit, man. I got to look like Ludo or I don't work out. That's crazy. He doesn't want the answers. With having to do NFL now, I have less time to read, less time to game and stuff like that as I usually did before. So, yeah, it's kind of like work out. I watch a lot of shows and movies.

That's kind of like the main hobbies now. Yeah, I'm so tapped out on shows and movies. This past weekend I was about to. Didn't end up doing it. But I do think that maybe this week might be the week. I might type into one battle after another this weekend. I might do it. I'm picking between either that or Marty Supreme.

How much you watch both? Oh, yeah. I watch Marty Supreme. That's two movies. That's a lot. Yeah, I'm an AMC Stubbs, card holding members. So I see all these movies. That's a lot.

I am an A-lister. Yeah. I haven't used it in two months, though. All right. That's crazy. I just saw probably become merry. It's right below me. But the last two months is like the post-Oskirts movie era where it is kind of dead.

So if there was ever going to be two months, it would be that one. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like working out, I cook a lot. You cook a lot. That's an underrated thing for sure. Like you have like real detail when it comes to going to you.

That's a passion. I try. I've recently, I picked up this year, I picked up sewing. Wow. I've started sewing. The last, what was it? Maybe like a month ago at this point, I made my first pair of sweatpants. You actually, you made sweatpants?

I did. What the hell? Okay, Kai? It was cool. I've been working on stuff. Wow. I go to the, like, go to the thrift store, get some stuff, crop it up. Do you do some stuff?

I have a, I have a, I have a, I have a, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, old pair of Nike pants that are like too small so I'm gonna turn them into like baggy or shorts trying to do that this weekend so that's been one of my my newer hobbies of the year I'm a reader now I read books be souls is underrated great addition to team just gonna throw that out there nice little compliment for B Souls on the camera question is how do you guys feel about the future of the NBA I am the most pessimistic I've ever been not about like there's a lot of discords on Twitter now that like is that

The MLB going to pass them up. It's the second biggest league in America because that report that the salary cap went up one less million dollars than expected. I'm not quite as dumerism about that. I think the NBA is going to stick around forever.

It's kind of too big to fail in some to guard, I think. But I'm pessimistic about Adams over. And the direction the game is going and how they're choosing to prioritize things and how everything is about money and maximizing the dollar

to such a kind of disastrous regard in some cultural elements of the NBA. Yeah. Honestly, like when it comes to that, I agree with you, Because honestly, it just comes to a point. When is there going to be like enough money? Is there ever going to be like an end to it?

I got some bookstery to figure out warm. Like how much can you milk from this Adam Silver? Every friend of radicalized you. Never. That's the point. Everything. They will squeeze every dollar until there's no more dollars to be squeezed. Yeah.

I think I'm kind of in the same place. Like I've, I've been on a side where like I don't like Adam Silver as commissioner. And even whenever we were having the conversation about tanking, you know, everyone's like, oh, we got to fix tanking now. I was like, actually no, because then that means that Adam Silver is going to come up with some ideas that he thought about for 30 minutes. No other than he read from Twitter. And then we saw the proposals and the tanking changes. And they were the most complicated, the most, just like what is actually going on here?

Are you actually trying to fix the issue? So I don't really, yeah, I don't believe in Adam Silver like that. I think that, and I think next year would be interesting to see because like this is year one of the new media deal. And so everybody wants to put on like their best foot forward. What happens in two years and four years when we've been in these cycles and now like, are you as incentivized to, to broadcast the game in a certain way? I'm very curious to see that. I kind of am like halfway worried about like, is the NBA going to lose its spot in the American hierarchy?

Just because outside of football, I feel like everybody's spot is always. up for grabs and even some of the biggest sports that america has had we've seen them fall before like boxing is is different now because boxing is just completely a money grab every time that there's a fight and so you see the NBA going that way and it's like oh like i don't want it to get there so i i have that feeling a little bit yeah yeah i'm as i'm pretty anti-adams silver now yeah not getting to deeper words not a fan i think he's probably the best commissioner in sports for getting the players rich which is great good for them shout out the players getting their deal potentially the worst commissioner in sports

for a fan perspective what would be any changes or advice you would give yourselves when you first start the podcast with all the knowledge you have now tough because it kind of went like yeah exactly as we wanted it yeah exactly I'm trying to think like

lights on him the plan was very clear from the jump and luckily we hit the exact right time short form to kind of like have it be exactly what we thought it could be maybe the only thing I would say is start the football show earlier Yes, yes. Start the football show two years earlier when shorts was popping like crazy

and we could get 200k subs in a year easily. Yeah. That would be the answer. Yeah, for a while, for a while I was very, which this isn't even a mistake because for a while we didn't do that because I've always liked football. But it was always a problem of I didn't want to take off, bite off more than I can chew and have being covering two sports

is very difficult. And at the time, didn't feel like we could. And I felt the way because I was editing everything. We were doing everything ourselves, no support. So we probably couldn't have done that. We did it as soon as we could once we started to get the ability to hire people and make things a little easier. on ourselves. So it's something that we tell ourselves looking back we should do it sooner.

But we also knew that in the moment. We just couldn't. So maybe that's not even fair. Yeah. And I don't I don't really have any any regrets about any of the any of the content that we did early on. Because I think also like we were very, very conscious of whether it be the TikToks that we put out or the clips that we put out of like we don't want us to be like known for screaming moments. And like we don't, we don't really do that. Like, we'll get loud in some stuff. And honestly, I feel like since we've been in person,

we might have had like less screaming moments. Like the one time that I remember like legitimately getting upset about with you guys, we're having a, we're doing a center's tier list. And we're talking about like 80s placement versus like in B. Yeah. And you put him in A tier with Chet. And I was like, he's so much closer to Embed than Chet. Yeah.

And like that was one of the only times where I feel like we had. one of those moments but I've never felt like we've leaned on on those yeah it's on her bag and so like I do feel like the the some of like the success that we've gotten from the from the ticot's not having that that's that's good yeah so for a lot of other people I would say like don't don't do that like don't lean into that side because then you get to a point where now and everybody's just expecting you just to yell it's also not sustainable yeah at all you can only have so many hot takes exactly exactly and now we were very aware of that from the jump which is luckily because we all had backgrounds in media with like I said two of us working house of highlights

Donovan was a writer at the time so we went into it like we weren't 18 no we were younger but we weren't like we weren't ignorant to how the media ecosystem works and what's sustainable and what's not so we knew from the jump not to like lean into anything too much and like overdue any one segment kind of had a good mind to pace things out and so forth to everything you said and we've gotten a lot better in certain things and change things but that's up that comes with time so it's not even anything I think we should do differently everything kind of progresses naturally as you keep that self-awareness and try to improve So yeah, I don't even know anything that we did wrong other than like you said start stuff sooner

Which easier set than done everything like works according to playing perfectly so yeah no complaints How much does your guys lives change from starting the pod to now? A lot. I mean none of us have like this is our job now yeah and so like that's that's awesome man Ooh I hated the job I I hate it so like my I know you sound like just don't just like your grandpappy man. That was still a deep old soul in you. My, I,

so, like, I never wanted to have, like, a nine to, so, like my first job ever, like I didn't have a job in,

in high school or anything. So my first job was, like, the first job that I had coming out of college. And then my dad, he has his own business. So he's always told me, like over and over,

like, you know, you get, like, you're not working nine and five, like get, get out of this, whatever.

So I never really, like, wanted to have a, have a job like that. The second job that I had, while we were like having serious conversations about like moving and doing all this stuff when I was working at at Yahoo and my job there changed so much because I originally I started there as like some like internet culture writer and then there was like layoffs and then they

moved me to the news team and I was like live blogging a Donald Trump trial so crazy and like meanwhile we're like yeah we got a recording now we used to record at nights because of that shit yeah and like they have they had me doing all types of like legitimate like hard news I never wanted to do any of it. And it was just the worst. And once I got to, once I got to that specific period for Yahoo. Yeah. Oh, I was like that.

I was the worst employee ever. And I hated my boss so much. She was awful. She was so annoying. And, bro, I was out here. I was out here. I'm saying, like, we have our stand-up at 8 o'clock, 8.30. I'm gone.

I'm gone. I'm going elsewhere. So now to have-ha-ha-fuck. Yeah, bro. Now just to have like this be our job, it's massive. Yeah. Yeah, I was working at House of Highlights. I was a content strategist. But like my job was really like do a little bit of everything. Like I was a producer, strategist through the wire previously. Numbers of the board previously was called Through the Wire.

You know they were with House of Highlights before we started our show. I was working on that show. I was doing their short form. I was working on Creator League House of Highlights property. Touching everything across House of Highlights that like I had to stretch myself so thin day to day from my 9 to 5 because I had so many roles at the company. And then after like you said, recording at nights doing this. and putting all the effort we talked about earlier, it was just so much mental fucking thinking all day, every day, which still is that way.

But now I can actually put all that effort into our show. So my workload didn't change. It was just being able to positively put it into my own thing 100%. I'd not have to split my brain 50-50. That makes a huge difference. Yeah, I remember when I first came onto the scene as an intern. And it was so funny, bro. People weeded out so earlier than me and you were like,

but buddy, someone who worked out, called this out immediately. We're like, hey, you best friendizing, man. I'm like, all right, bro. relax but um i also shocked when it comes to how much you were doing over there and um just like how your role was and just how their construction or shit but aside from that like i think my my life changed pretty obvious just like you guys pretty drastically uh after college i was with house of hides and then after house of hides i was and i was a pa i was intern then i was a pa and then i worked for some random company called the whistle and i was at that doing that for a little bit while

we're recording at night so my like schedule random company. That shade right there. I know my. But it's been parallels to be like so much different. It's so much more chill now that we like have these old as soon.

You're hilarious. Someone saw some shit over there. You look them up. What? But yeah, also like, it was pretty fresh at a college. I worked at House of Highlights. Graduate college in 2021.

Started working there immediately as an intern summer after. And then, we stopped working for them when we started doing this full time 20 23 it was like yeah like november 20 so it's only only two years working there full time feels like a lot longer but like that's crazy i know right crazy crazy jam back two years but uh we never like never went to an office never had that type of job because we did it pretty straight at a college so that's a main way lives change just went from like thinking like oh i got to find a job i got to earn a role you said

you were surprised how much they're doing at hoh h because i was like I got to earn a job. I'm an intern. I got to do a million things and have this mindset of the job economy sucks. I got to do everything I can to keep a job. And then a couple years later, oh, we have our fucking dream job.

That's such a like whiplash thing that like, now I got to focus on keeping it. That's such a different state of mind to be in that I wouldn't have imagined two years ago or now it's been several years, but a year and a half before we started the show, I wouldn't have imagined being in that mindset at that age. Yeah.

Because the, bro, the Yahoo job that I got, That was, we had already started the pod. And so there were times where I was like doing interviews trying to get another job while we were doing it. And I probably went on, I went on so many interviews. I tried so hard to get you a job at BR. And I went through that, through that interview, through the process.

I got down to I think it was like the last two and they went with somebody else. And like twice and it was so stupid every time. I'm like, you guys are so dumb to not hire him and have both of us in the door. You could have had the show for so much longer potentially if we're like in this little BR world. Like at that point, I was like, are you guys dumb?

Like, why are you not hiring him? Yeah. And like there was, like I was, I had applied to be a programmer on BR. And then I had applied for BR grid iron. And I didn't get that job. But then we were at a, I think we were at All Star. Yeah. And San Francisco.

Yeah. And Drew was like, he was like, yo, so like whatever happened with that? They were talking about you. Like you, like, they just loved you. And I was like, bro, nobody ever hit me back. Like, I never got the job. And it was just Drew. We were at that party and the guy who was at the time running B.R.

Goodiron, I don't know if he still is, came up and was saying like, oh, yeah, I loved your application. What happened with that? And everyone was like, didn't know. Yeah. I was like, I was like, I never got an email back saying that like, I got the job.

And they thought you ghosted them. No. That's so. No. Muffer's forgot to set an email and all of a sudden there's no employee here. Yeah. That's so crazy. No one got the job actually.

I don't know. We're still hiring. I'm not about you that the greatest would have been I'm like You could have made him a bit

Check up on a man Hannah D says What's the best concert you ever been to I never been to a concert before I don't think so Really?

Really? I never actually went to a concert I also like the BR All-Star shit or whatever Okay so jelly roll It's the best concert You ever been to Oh fucking jelly roll

We saw jelly roll At the T&T party at All-Star Week in Indiana in 2024 We saw jelly roll before in a warehouse. So I guess

it has to be the best. I thought I'm doing an M&M cover song. That's what he told you for. And they were going crazy. He had indie jumping. I would say, he would sing for the moment,

I think. He was top of his lungs. That's true. All right, what's the best for you? What's the best concept? Mr. Morrell on the Big Stepper's tour. Okay.

I think in terms of like quality and peak, that's probably one in terms of like being objective. For me personally, personally like my favorite um was i guess two years at this point uh anderson pack had went on toward just to just to toward the the malibu album and i went and i saw that and that was the that was

the one that that meant the most who fucks with logic's music the most and why is the answer donovan the most scathing insult ever heard you know what's funny the answer is donovan honestly out of us for it probably is like i i'd probably hold some of the earlier logic projects in higher regard than anybody up here. The early projects were decent. No, they were good. Underpressure's really good.

I grew up and I realized he's copying the fuck at a Good Kid Mad City and he was really good when he was a Kendrick clone. Once I grew up and realized that and I listened to the albums after Under Pressure and what was the next one called? The Incredible True Story. After that, I was like, oh, this shit is not for me.

I just remember there was an era of like YouTube where everyone was hyping him up because he didn't copyright claim the songs. Yeah, he was on every cod montage. Yeah. Just because he was, he was like, wasn't copyrighted. Yeah.

He had a moment. I did go to a Logic concert, though. Wow. Tough. I did go before in 20. I can't remember. I think it was the Incredible Two Story Tour. And so I guess that would have been like 2016.

Yeah. Something like that. Under pressure was awesome, though. I remember I heard Nikki for the first time. He's personifying cigarettes. And you know, and there's a lane for that. It's okay. It is good.

It's a good album. But then you realize, like, oh, he's really drawn from his influences. And it's an age too well as time went on. any moment from T you through history that each of y'all regrets any hill you died on for a scrub every week bro yeah I regret something I said in every episode the week after literally so like there's not one moment for me it's a constant perception of like everything I say we talk for three hours I have an opinion on every single team every single week that opinion will change and people will remember that like it's my true opinion forever yeah exactly we have so much

and it's so hard to actually sit down and like have a condensed off process on one one thing when also the nature of the sport. There's so much that moves and people actually do things that make you legitimately change your mind. So every week, every week, what's like the biggest dying hill that you think you guys are like wrong about? I'm wrong a lot. So the one I remember, okay, so no, here's the thing.

You know, you learn over time. I've learned from 2020-3 season or 2024 season when the Timberwolves got good and got that one seed. I was very anti-timberwolves after the first year. The first year they were good at Rudy Go Bear and Cap, which was the second year they had to go bear, I was like, this team is a playing team, this team is going to suck. And they were the one seed. And the

way that the hate compelled me to hate on them so hard at the beginning, that taught me a lot about like, just like how to go approach it and not think so certainly about that, that I guess I ever read that because I was so, so anti them and they were so good immediately. But you know, that comes to

the territory. You're going to be wrong sometimes. I don't feel that bad about it, but that's one that stuck with me for a while, being wrong about that team. I think let's see I was I was on I was thinking about this the other day because I was I was thinking about Luca and that whole conversation I remember going into

I think the year they made the finals now mind you they did trade they did trade for like half the team in the middle of the year yeah but I went into that year saying that they were going to it was more likely that they were going to miss the playoffs than go 500 like I put 41 and 41 at their ceiling

which I think was wrong. But yeah, you're right. They made big trades. Yeah. But that was the same year. I was also thinking about them paired in with some rules, but at least they made moves. Yeah.

So that's, that's, I think that's one where I was like, I probably not. Oh. I've been thinking back and forth on like the, even today, even now, they're quite a Kyrie. Like that's still something that it's up in the air for me. It's awesome. I don't feel too bad on any player opinions because shit changes and like that, whatever. The one I just remembered, I hate, I said it before.

I hate when I hype up teams that suck More than when I underrate teams Okay, you just got better And figured it out I'll apologize and say Okay, I should have believed in you But I don't care that much. Shit happens.

The Devonbucker KD era, Phoenix Suns Burned the shit out of me Even last season. Preseason last year They came with a new coach We're changing it up. I put them as the four seed In last year's predictions.

That one, again, no one prediction moves me that much. I don't care if I'm wrong. But that one bothers me so much because I was like, what the fuck was I thinking, believing in that stupid-ass team? I can't believe I did that shit. I thought the Hawks were contenders this year. See, so like, whatever.

It's everybody. Yeah, I think overall for me, which is like the biggest, yeah, like my biggest training point is how I view players like train and seeing how far, like, players like him can take you. I understand like how important it is from like a basketball cultural aspect and team-building aspect when it comes to, not even team building, really like a city building. but when it was actually like wanting to move forward and play productive basketball and seeing how like brothers are the most ones that we had since like 2021 or something like that our most successful season in over 10 years so far this year and that happened with him being

out the building i think how my mindset is like adjusted to team building uh has been like the most different thing that's happened yeah trey young woke up your eyes yeah man the tyranny of usage forever special place in my heart though balling for life for real says what's it like having a podcast. Nope. Yeah. It's weird. It's cool, but it's also weird.

Because, like, you have this, like, we have this job and we are doing it. But at the same time, like, there's some days where it's like, dang, like, this is it. Like, we talk, we talk, like, we talk basketball. Like, that's kind of weird. Yeah. I don't know. That's kind of weird. Explain.

I don't have to. Yeah. I've never thought about that way. Like, I don't know. It's just, it's interesting. Like, I, like, again, I, I, I wanted to, like, talk sports for a living. But that. the fact that like this is the specific medium and that everything is played out in the specific

way that it has it's sometimes I'm like oh this is this is pretty cool yeah yeah I think for me it's not it's like having a basketball podcast is like obviously is great and cool but I think what's even we're even weirder is how people come to us and we once in all I see comments that we get there people are like oh like I don't even watch basketball I think y'all are just funny and they just come to just watch this yap about whatever the fuck yeah that part beat triple me out I'm just like we're just talking right now but yeah it's kind of cool. So it's interesting that talking about basketball as a job definitely changes how you think about it because like I still, I'm still like a fan. I still have that. But there's some elements

of me that like the allure and like the peak enjoyment like giddiness is gone just because I watch it every single night. It's like homework that that's changed a little bit. Not as much as some people, some people get really burnt out about it and they're like, I don't even like basketball anymore. I don't feel that. But it definitely changes when you have to watch games every single night that impacts things like the doldrums of the regular season like now i'm like i'm like it's homework now at this point waiting for the playoffs whereas if you're a fan you just won't watch for a week and it doesn't really matter that's impacted it's a it's a very strange psychological phenomenon for anybody that is youtube to have everything you say be examined and have a like parissocial

relationship to every single element of your personality that's definitely an adjustment from working behind the scenes as a content strategist to everything you say will be picked apart by an audience of people, like for any human ever, every YouTuber talks about that, that is definitely an adjustment. Yeah. I will say podcasts are parisocial in a different way compared to other mediums because we're having conversations a lot of times with friends and it's not just we're talking about basketball.

Like, no, some of our life and our friendship stories trickle into the content. So then people feel like they're part of the friendship. And it's like, you know, it comes with the territory. It's a great thing. It means they have very devoted fans. It's like it's a blessing compared to some YouTubers, especially compared to TikTokers where nobody like cares outside of is your video on my algorithm right now.

So it's a great thing for longevity of a creator. But it definitely impacts the way you like think about things. And like you just realize and you read the comments, you're like, damn, you guys even like notice that? That was a random one-off comment. That's crazy. Yeah. You guys are talking about that?

I didn't even think about saying that two and a half hours ago. Yeah. Yeah. So like last year, I will say the, when the Knicks were making their run, And then they ended up losing. And there was, I think they lost in game five, I think. They, four or five.

Yeah, to the Pacers. They lost one of those games. And I was so distraught about it. And like, I remember I just, I went outside. I just sat down, like, in silence. And, like, I just didn't do it. And afterwards, there's a, there's a bunch of times. And even, like, the Eagles this last year when they blew the lead to Dallas,

did the same thing, just sat in silence for a long time. And the day after, I'll go back and I'm like, I'm actually happy, though, that I can still, like, kind of ride this, this, like, roller coaster and still have some of that, like, fandom in me. And that even when I'm watching my favorite teams, it's not just like, oh, well, like, they didn't execute here and here. So, like, like, what, you know, I don't do a fucking lick is. Like, I, I'm happy that I can still, you know, tap into that emotion of it. Yeah. But nevertheless, you'll be harassed online. Comes to the territory.

Listen. You stop recording me. I'm like, nope. Comes to Terrance already. The price to pay. Which one of you guys would survive the longest if you all got stranded on the island together and who would die first?

Me. Beasles to die first. He's not going to walk too much. He's not going to want to scavenge enough for food. So we're going to sacrifice him. Sorry, you got to go. I think I can survive without food for the longest, probably. I disagree.

Because I'm the biggest. I have more meat on my bones compared to you guys. I think the hunger will get to you first. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think I can't. The way your stomach be grumbling, you don't believe that yourself. But understand.

It's like that on a consistent basis. I'm used to it. Yeah, but it gumbles for a reason. That's alarming though. Don't you think I'm used to it. No. Yeah. I think strictly based off, like, I feel like I'm bigger.

If I had two sticks right now, can you make a fire? No, you can't. Two sticks? Can you? Yes. With two bear sticks. Yes. Your little, this brother's lying.

You have to my ass. That is the biggest lie he's ever said in fucking life. See, talking about. about you. Yeah. Two bare sticks. I will give you one. Real dollars.

If we can go outside and you can make a fire. I will give you $100 if you go outside, you make a fire. You don't even got to bet me anything. If you can make a fire with two sticks or nothing else. Listen, I need life and death situations. Y'all give me about four hours. I'm not looking at a bad track. Hold on.

Let me finish the statement, though. Okay. Give me about four hours. Fire going to be made. Fish going to be caught. Dinner's going to be had. We're going to be fine. You are saying why.

You are sushi. Habachi crudo on the island? I got you. This is what we're all. I have no idea about about surviving an island. I'm a complainer. So I don't even know.

But I've known what to complain to you. I'm a big complainer, but I'm also a big lock in her. Where like if I got to do what I got to do, I'll just lock it in. But I will complain about it. I don't know how that translates to being on a deserted island. I don't know if I'll just die and be a baby. I'd probably kill you because you complain too much. You got to go first honestly.

It'll be me and you. I just constantly let me bitch you too much. I will. My feet are I will bitch and moot about it. But if I got to live, I got to live. I think I can lock in. Yeah, we'll sit here on a booby trap. I'm half Isaac.

Really? I'm going to complain. I ain't moving, though. You won't lock in? Yeah. I think I'm good at like if something's got to be done, it's got to be done. What am I going to do about it? But yeah, you're going to hear about it.

You're going to hear some minging. Yeah. But Donovan, I know you like expressing yourself. Whoa, I know you like expressing yourself in the kitchen. So I'd like to ask, what is the most complicated meal you've ever done? That's a good question. Complicated? I don't, so I, I don't know if like complicated is the right thing.

Like there's stuff where it takes a long time. So like, I like doing stuff. Like I've made some some jerk chicken before where it's, it's been fun. Like I'll get the whole chicken like cut it, cut it down before, dry brine it the night before. And now, you know, make the, make the marinade go out. I bought the very specific types of pimento chips that you need to have it be like jerk chicken, smoke it. Like I've done done that. That's been fun.

I'm working on some. In the summer, I'm also doing the same thing. I'm going to be making lobster rolls in the summer. And I'm doing the same thing with like, with the lobster where I'll go down to the store to the live lobster and take it down like piece by piece. So, yeah, I don't know if complicated is the thing, is the word. I was under halfway. That was hella complicated.

I got lost. Last question of this segment of the show. David from Texas says, I remember when y'all were doing this part. of a video call, Mo had a rat infestation. And when Don crashed out at Wilt, one question I want to ask is, what was the worst day y'all had filming the pod and what happened? I think there's a couple answers.

Yeah. There's a couple answers. Okay. So I think I know where you guys are going. Say each individually. That aside, I think it's what you're alluding to. Yeah, mine's the word. I think that the worst day that I personally had on the pod was when we were live, no, it

wasn't, yeah, it was a live stream. and then all of a sudden my camera just convulsed it explodes it exploded it exploded but I had like with the way my, I was in New York, I had like a small room set up and had to like really finesse my way into getting the perfect angle. And storage is like terrible at that point in time. So I had a wardrobe dresser right behind my closet. And then I had like a couple of suitcases stacked on top been it never felt at any time ever before before that. And all of a sudden while we're in midway through a talking point, camera just like my, I hear like it's like, shh. And the next thing you know, all of my suitcases is this tower and it literally obliterates my camera.

camera was fine and all that but it was just like such a jarring moment like people thought I died it was the craziest shit ever donovan we had we had a couple moments um where either like my wifi was just trash and like nothing was was uploading um there was there was one time where i had a trip i was going somewhere like the third like immediately after we we recorded and i left um left my thing uploading but for some reason like my wifi I wasn't working. So I had to call my sister to like drive over, pick up the, the laptop, go take it to her other friend so that she could upload over there. Like that's been, that's been something. But there's been twice where my file has been corrupted when we were recording

remotely because I've taken the SD card out too fast and didn't let it just like stay on there real quick. And so then try to send it whole three hour pod corrupted. And I, you know, you send it over. try to see if you can't fix it. Can't fix it. Next to you know, we got to wake up 6.30 in the morning to record by 7 because we recorded on Thursday night. Episode has to go out on Friday. So now we have to re-record and have the exact same conversation that we just

had for three and a half hours, TikToks and everything at 7 a.m. And get that out at like 3 p.m. Who consistently had the worst Wi-Fi during the remote area? Mo had the worst. Mo had the worst Wi-Fi. I had more like issues, I think. But again, it was two. Don't fuck up his camera a lot.

Mo had terrible Wi-Fi. Yeah, the area I lived at, the Wi-Fi situation was fucking horrible in Harlem. He was one. Yeah, Mo ended up having to, we had, we got a situation set up where Mo would be in New York in like uptown, whatever. Yeah. And we were finished recording and he would have to Uber down or just go down to the BR offices and upload from there. Damn. That would have been faster than just uploading the file.

Because again, we're all recording. and in such high quality, we're uploading 80 gigabytes of film every, every week. And so, yeah, he was, there's times where he's just, you know, mobbing around New York at 11 o'clock at night. To upload file.

No, literally, bro. That's tough. Literally. I have two horror stories, production horror stories that both were all-nighters. I had to pull to get the episode out on time. First one was, was this 24 draft week,

New York? Yes, yes. for 2024 the shows of the house of highlights we're doing stuff with them we did a stream on the first day of free agency which must have been what

July 4th or something or July 2nd and then the NBA no it wasn't free agency what was it it was the draft the draft was first on like June 20th

okay 26 and then we stayed around for the free agency thing and then we were that's what it was okay so the draft was on let's say June 26th and then the free agency

first day was on July 2nd we stayed in New York for the whole week was really cool actually great opportunity We basically, I got to live in Soho for a week. It was really cool, really small hotel, but we were in that area for a week because we stayed between those streams and didn't have to fly back and forth. Crazy expanse on the HOH die, but it was dope.

We were in Soho for a week. We did those streams for them. In between that, obviously, we had recorded an episode in Post-its. We recorded it from the Bleacher Report office, a setup that is in our normal setup, obviously. Oh, my God. With cameras are our normal cameras, because obviously normally we have our own cameras and we do things my certain way. We can handle recording the raw files and then giving them to me because I have a certain system in place to do it, right? We recorded with their system in the HOH office that is usually built for not instant turnarounds.

It's built for like studio shows. It's usually like for like live streaming, not even recording. So then recording locally at 4K caused the files to be gigantic. They were like even bigger than we usually record them in. And they had to like export them to a setting that fit what I needed for. I was under the impression that would be done instantly because it's bigger, better studio

it would be faster than I usually do and it wouldn't be an issue we can get it out the next day that we normally do in between our recordings other streams and stuff and it would be cool, right? Keep in mind, I'm in New York,

not my home, so my setup is a little weird, all I have is my laptop. We record the show, finished recording like 4 p.m. I expect at 4.30. I can have the files on my computer ready to edit.

Set up, it's going to take a couple hours. Said, okay, went and got dinner, came back at 7 p.m. Yeah. They were like 15% done. Oh, fuck. Yeah.

And I was like, what? I come back at 10 p.m. So now it was late. And our hotel was in Soho, and the BR office is up by Times Square, right? Where's that? No, it's in midtown. It's like Union Square. Union Square, my bad.

I'm not from New York, obviously. I went back up there at 10 p.m. The files had crashed. Yeah. I had to restart it. This is not like an internet-based thing? No, it's a hardware-based thing with the weird complex system they have for, like, studio shows. That's insane.

I had to restart it. I said, oh my God. And the whole time, the communication with me is very poor because our producer working at the time, this isn't his show. He didn't care that much. He was out to dinner, texting him back slow. I don't know what was going on.

I had to go back there at 10 p.m. Luckily, one BR employee happened to be there because he works at night shift doing this type of stuff. He helped me restart it. Came back at 1 a.m. At 1 a.m., I'm Ubering from Soho to Midtown, not from New York, never been there by myself. The address of the BR office is, I think,

2.30 Park Avenue south. I went to 2.30 Park Avenue north by accident. At 1 a.m. I'm like, where the fuck am I? At 1 a.m. I'm tired. I'm pissed. We were up early. We were up late night before because we did one of those streams. No sleep. We had like four hours sleep night before. 1.30. I'm at the wrong park avenue. Then I got to go back to the office again, get their right that time. They still weren't done at 1 a.m. 3 a.m. I came back for the last time. Once again, Uber from Soho.

And I got the files. Then I had to go back to the hotel. room. I had to edit it, do the normal thing, which at that point took me like an hour and a half. Export the episode. Stay up while at exports, which took like an hour and a half. So then I can upload the episode and make sure it's good on time with slow hotel Wi-Fi. I was up until 9 a.m. getting the episode up and made a thumbnail, scheduled and everything. It came out. Let you know. No, no. I went to sleep because I had to export because it took so long. And I woke up at like 9 or 10 a.m. after I slept for a few hours and then uploaded it. Hotel Wi-Fi was real slow. So the Wi-Fi didn't get the episode uploaded it until like 2 p.m.

So the episode was a couple hours late than what it normally would be. But I had to pull essentially an all-nighter going back and forth across New York the entire time. I've never been to any of those places. And it's 1 a.m. And nobody's texting me back. Yeah, I remember because I was around. And I actually popped in just to like see what the fuck was going on. The 10 p.m.

when you showed up at the hotel. And I got to office and I was like, go home, bro. Nothing you could do. Yeah, I was like, what's going on right now, man? Like, why are you so here? I was just so confused. That show was crazy. I remember that night.

And the episode got out. Was it a one out of 10? I don't remember. What was it? I don't remember the topic. Probably not at that time of the year, Bobby Cod. All that for a 10 out of 10.

All that just for it to get out. Yeah. And yeah, the episode was late. And that happened again, by the way. Just as bad in Chicago. So that was one or two times that happened. It happened again. Fourth of July last year in Chicago.

This is our first year all living here. We had our friends come out. All of our college friends came to visit for Fourth of July we were hosting. July 3rd, we recorded the episode where we reacted to free agency and all the free agency signings. It was the episode with Kenny.

If you go back and watch the last year's episode with Kenny, we regraded every single free agency signing. We recorded that on Wednesday. Which camera was that? Donovan's solo cam. It's fine. Here we go. It started the camera turned off. It doesn't matter.

We recorded that on Wednesday with Kenny. He came for three hours. So obviously we don't, he has a busy life. The fact we can get him here is like very gracious from him. Can't waste the opportunity, right? He's here. We record. I start editing the footage afterwards like normal.

every 4K camera put it on my hard drive. I accidentally pull my hard drive out too many times without properly ejecting it and I corrupt all the files. I corrupt all these files. Yeah. Tough. How'd you get them back?

Now I'll tell you the story how I got him back. Yo, Kenny, I'll drive you back. The Bill 7th. That was, we recorded him on July 3rd. It was supposed to go up July 5th. We had recorded a little bit early to move around the schedule, right?

Yeah. July 4th, we were on a boat with our friends. and I know my files are corrupted and the night before I started this we have a friend that's a really really tech smart and like we had a good program

to corrupt uncorrupt files yeah I started the morning of July 4th I'm on the both whole time everyone's having fun I'm just like oh my God I hope these files are fixed when I get home

yeah they were not we went back it didn't work we did a bunch of different ways of uncorrupt files which we've done before from the stuff Donvin was talking about before

with the stuff where he messed up his cameras yeah I had like uncorrupted files in the past it just kind of fucks him up I did that for the entire night and

I got the files uncorrupted by like 10 p.m. on July 4th. We weren't able to uncorrupt a wide angle though. So all we had was the solo cams. So if you go watch the episode with Kenny, the thing you see the whole time is the angle with four solo cams. Like show it right now. That. That's the whole entire episode with Kenny because we don't have this camera.

This one stay corrupted. So the episode came out. I got it out. That's fine, right? But because the files were strange and like uncorrupted and the coding was all weird in the files, I added it as normal. I hit it as normal.

I hit export at like 10 p.m. it took me 13 hours to export that. Oh my. Donovan lived in downtown Chicago at that time. I live on the west side near Bucktown in Wicker Park. I drove back and forth to Donovan's place from me to where he lives downtown like six times overnight because the next morning at 9 a.m. I had a flight to Texas to go see my parents.

Oh my God. Which I had to delay the flight to the next day because I couldn't get out on time. It took 13 hours to export. I drove over the middle of the night to Chicago downtown. like seven times every two hours and it finally got done at like 10 a.m. the next morning as I've to upload it. That's so tough. So two all-nighters to get an episode out.

Yeah, these are the horror stories, breath. And literally no one knows about when it comes to like how we handle the process and how you like make sure everything is up to top. And it's top and its quality and all that, Brad. Like it's terrible. And it was a Kenny episode. I was like, I have to save this. You can't record it. Yeah, exactly.

We've only done like maybe one or two other episodes of the Kenny before and it was a banger. It was worth it. It was a banker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was worth it. Yeah. And it was, yeah, it was a free agency reaction. Yeah. It was, yeah, it was with Kenny.

It was everything. Bro. And when I, when I woke up, because, I mean, I was, listen, I was, Blanky boat, I was asleep. We're on a boat all day. Everybody was tired. Yeah. And so when I, when I woke up and I, I almost like, wasn't going to go on the thing.

And I was like, bro, listen, like, at this point, like, it's going to, like, it's going to be late. It is what it is. Like, just, just come on. And I woke up the next day. And our, our friend, he was telling me everything that was, that was happening. He's like, bro, Isaac was here at like one, three, six. I think I had just woken up and I saw Isaac like walking out. I was like, you're still here? And he was like,

dude, I've done back and forth back. I was like, you know what? I'm going to see you next week. Like you just have all the time that you need. That time legitimately was ridiculous. Because every time, every like 45 minutes, something new would happen. I think like one one of the time did you try to export it, it crashed a couple times. Oh yeah, so my computer crashed a couple times. I had to use Mike's computer. He had a better MacBook than I did at the time. So I had to restart couple times and use a better computer. Still took

13 hours to export. Yeah. And everyone's just on a yacht. Everyone's asleep at his apartment because people were sleeping living room and I was just coming in and out all night. Everyone's dead as fuck because they were hungover because they were on a yacht all day in the sun. And I'm just there all night. I had like three Celsius that night so I could stay up that had to drive all night. It was crazy.

Intense man. You and Miami turning up another night. It's rising apparently. But the episode was like 300K views, so it was worth it. It worked out in the end. The first one wasn't worth it. The second one with Kenny was worth it. Yeah.

I think the first one was probably more irritating. Yeah, because I was in Newark, I don't know where the fuck I was. Yeah. Way where so many like hoops that were unnecessarily had to be. Going to the wrong ad just would have sent me over the end. Yeah. Going to north instead of south, that would have been in it. That happened to us at L.A.

That was funny. Oh, yeah. We went to the Spotify party. Yeah, we went to a Spotify party. First of all, that was not a case of us putting in north instead of south. That was the case of somebody giving us a Fugazi address off rip and us getting dropped off. And the Uber driver being like, is this where you guys are supposed to be at? So we went to at All Sur Weekend, LA a couple months ago.

We got invited to Spotify party. The Spotify rep that gave you the address, gave me the complete wrong address. We got dropped off. It was a construction site next to a bus station. I didn't even know that. On Figueroa Street, that a little bit south of West Hollywood. There's nothing there. you pull up and it's literally a construction side with nothing.

And that's what you said the driver was like, are y'all for real? And I was like, I guess. And there was a whole other part of the city. Anybody could have kidnapped us that night. Oh my God. I thought it was a setup, bro. That's crazy. We were in mid-city just looking lost.

I had another friend that was trying to go that did the exact same thing. I'm like, oh, someone got to be fine tonight, but this is insane. Yeah, it was like a complete different address with no similar numbers, no similar streets. It was 10 miles away. We went way more south towards like, closer to the airport even and we were like by West Hollywood it made no sense

how that address was given to us yeah I can't even like give them logic to say oh this number got messed up there was zero connections how far was it between the actual address like eight to 10 miles

damn yeah it was a complete a completely different part of the city swag yeah but yeah so those were that's the horror story that's the horror stories and that's happened

a bunch of other times to smaller degrees like Donovan said when the cameras got fucked up you guys will never know If you see there's a delay in an episode, you're wondering why it's shit like that. Yeah. We don't ever tell you.

But it's stuff like that. Crazy, man. This is what comes to having to part, man. We got some times, man. I thought I was going to get fired on my second episode. That you were fired for what? You know how like after we record we turn off all the cameras? Remember this camera right here?

I turned it off before I stopped the recording. Oh, yeah. You could have crept in the fall? No. Isaac, oh, I think he corrupted the file. What the fuck? That's all I've done that several times. I'm like, oh, I think you fucked it.

Luckily you didn't. Somehow, because this is a different camera that we usually use. These cameras are a little better at a equipment for that. But I did that one time I corrupted a file on our Cam Johnson interview. I did the same thing. And luckily, I've had an uncorrupt file several times.

I'm like, somehow I have these programs that you can uncorrupt a file pretty feasibly. Yeah, I'm like, how the fuck do you even do that? Yeah, it's, I don't know how it works exactly. You upload a file and then upload a file recorded by the same camera And it like takes some of the data from the non-crupted file and like repairs it Yeah crazy technology Yeah that's I wasn't really freaking out when I thought you corrupted it I was like I was like fuck

I got to corrupt the file for three hours So it's my second day It's my second day out here I already corrupted the file I was trying to do was turn off the camera Imagine doing that in a Cam Johnson interview where you're like fuck I just destroyed a camera angle of Cam Johnson So that was his camera specifically I think it was a wide angle it's even worse tough tough that was important angle

yeah well and that is our episode 200 question and answers for you guys yes let's go 200 episodes we got 200 more

plus plus one question said how long you guys plan to do the podcast as long as I fucking can as long as I can before we had to go back to regular jobs till then the fucking time if we can bro what

how long are you often to watch you tell me let me plan accordingly yeah exactly I'm trying to find out I like to have some clarity Let us know what the views drop man This is the most uncertain job in the world

Like who knows how long it's gonna last This is unprecedented territory I feel like it'll probably last a smooth Like 15 years honestly Just based off of what I've seen On other platforms And seeing other people and how they've navigated Certain things not necessarily podcasts

Because it's obvious just new But just like their forms of it I think it's gonna last like at least 10 What do people usually do after the 15 That you've seen? They die because sports media's for old people they don't

that's all right there's no there's no like examples of sports media for someone at 23 starts a podcast and it lasts for so long like throughout their lives like yeah I don't know they start when they're fucking they get on TV when they're 60

yeah like going back to what you said it's the closest thing is like maybe Bill Simmons and um you either become Bill Simmons yeah or you fizzle out but the best like we'll figure out

the person that I assume is like the starters like they are all three still together obviously and they don't they're not on NBA TV you know more, they have their actual show and they've been doing it for like 20 years. Yeah, but just know, I'm not gonna drag the shit when it's a dead product.

When it's ready to go, it's gonna go. I'm not gonna be on our last legs out here. Give me a galaxy, give me a galaxy. That's not gonna be. What the fuck? We're not gonna be on TikTok live. I'm asking you guys for peaches and roses and galaxies.

Oh. Once it's ran his natural course, it'll hit a natural end. Yeah. What's the indicator? You're doing a sub-a-thon all of a sudden? Sub-a-thathone. When it's time to go,

it's time to go. We'll do something else. hopefully it's not for a long long time I'm thinking hopefully it's not for at least 10 years total we've done this is year four so hopefully we gotta get six left in us six plus four fuck man time is flying yeah

this is year four it hasn't been full four years yeah but we're in the middle year four that's crazy it's like three and a half years god damn that's crazy just know we will have a TD3 cologne coming out in the next two years I will need you guys to buy that we will have the clothing brand coming out in four years get on that as well

we're going to be layered the label oh yeah the music label in 10 years I'm going to sign artists to 360s yeah let's go

I'm going to scan five years I'm going to start predatory deals we're going to become podcast landlords become scum listen

if you see TD3 records understand the game you had us rock I had to scam 18 year old I'm sorry it comes from territory I had to ruin

someone's life. This is all a lot of talent and a budding artist. But they got a change so it's okay. They got the flex on their peers back home. That's it. Everybody wins. We get millions.

They get an iced out Cuban link. It's fine. You pay your dues. That shit so cool. If you make two hits, you can get out the 360 project. Maybe. If you get two hits.

That's what we tell them up front. Exactly. That's when the two hits happen. You're giving them two minutes inside. I don't know. With that being said, at the end of the Q&A. Let's hit a quick transition before we talk about the NBA news roundup of the week to round out this extra long Monday episode

that's just as long as a regular Thursday episode. Damn. It's now time for us to talk about the biggest news stories in the NBA since we last talked on Thursday's episode. It is only right that we start today's episode, or today's section of the show, by talking about the newest potential MVP of the league. Victor Women Yama has gotten a surge in MVP discourse

NBA.com's updated MVP ladder has him in first place over Shea the betting on's making it seem like kind of comes down whoever gets the number one seed how do you guys feel about this rise and discourse of people wanting to make Wendy the youngest MVP ever this is I'm not going to they're roller skating on it I don't like their rollers skating on it yeah yeah I don't like like like slow train doing splits down the line wow it's it's a lot it's it's it's creative they're in a lateral movement I didn't know with lateral movies. Damn.

It's, this, this is, it's a, it's a bit much. Like, I, I,

I have been on the train of, like, I think Wembe should be above Yokich in the discourse. I agree with that. I think that he has been more impactful than that. But one of the things that people keep pointing to, obviously,

like the defense is, is amazing for Wembe, and the offense is, it's coming along. They're like, you know, the spurs in the last couple of, in the last, like,

25, Wemby games, they're 23 and two or 24, right, whatever the number is. Guys, that's happening right now. Do you remember at the start of the season when the Thunder were 24 and 1? Yeah.

So you have identical stretches in the season of these like great long runs by these teams highlighted by these players. They cancel each other out. So now let's let's talk about the season at large. Let's talk about everything that Shay has done where I do feel like especially at this point, She has to like lose it.

And there are certain moments in MVP years or just in seasons in general where the guy who had it at the beginning at the beginning of the year might have like a two weeks long we've seen that from Yokic where he's had like three weeks before where it's just not up to par

and then you can say okay you allowed somebody else to get in. I don't feel like Shay has had a drop off to where he has allowed Wemby to get into the conversation more so than Wembe has risen above everybody else. Yes, exactly. I agree. I think this is shameless

because not shameless on Wemby's end is none that he did wrong necessarily. I think it's just about how this conversation has developed over time. Going back to what you said, there's no drop off in Shades game at all. And I'm like 110% on board for having Wembe, specifically number two. Yokic, yeah, he dropped off. Yeah, like he over the last, like, I don't know, two weeks or so, his three per percentage down the fucking drain. I think you should like 90%. And also, like the Denver Nuggets overall sinking overall. Like they, they have not been a good product to watch over the last 30 or so games. So that's fair and that's fine. But in order to see,

like Wembe leap over Shea, I feel like nothing's changed substantially since the start of the year at all. Like there's been no new development in his game at all. There's he hasn't like overcame the stuff offensively that's been holding him back from people from people outright calling him like the best player in the world. Still, to this day, I haven't heard anyone call Wembe the best player in the world. And you don't necessarily have to be the best player in the world to win an MVP at all. But more so those conversations are leaned towards like Yokic, it has been for the most. part and now she's it feels like she overall has overcame that and he's viewed

as that and I don't even think anyone's called Wemmy that just yet so it's forced y'all are Hayden I don't think I'm Hayden would not he's the I do agree Shay's the MVP I think he will win MVP I don't think the actual voters are going to do enough to go towards Wemby side that I think

She hasn't solidified he will be the MVP I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest it's Victor Womenyama if the whole season we're saying if you were saying he can be second he can get this I don't know, like sneaky playoff, sneaky MVP push. If they get the one seed, he'll have this sneaky second argument, all this stuff, kind of dancing around it by adding modifiers,

that he can be second place or just behind the favorite or whatever other verbiage you've seen people use. That means he's in striking a sense of being the MVP. He's taken a legitimate leap in the second half of the season offensively. He is much better over the last 20 games offensively as a score than he was to start the year when things out little iffy after a hot start. He truly is bending the game in a defensive way that we've never seen before, which you know was well talked about.

He's completely good enough offensively, has completely enough impact. The on-off numbers all suggest it. The advanced data all suggests it. It's not in the same way as the guards that dominate the league, but he is one of the most impactful offensive players in the league.

When I say most impactful, I mean top 10 to 12, whatever. And defense, he is so far ahead to everybody else that he bends the game in the same way, Yokish does offensively, Luca does offensively, in a way that I know we don't normally give

MVP consideration to like the best defenders. He's different. He's better than the best defenders of the past decade while being way more offensively suited than the other guys are, I think he has a legitimate case that if you tell me you are a voter with a real award vote, if you're Kendrick Perkins and you tell me you want to vote Wemby, I don't think that's outlandish. If you vote Wemby, MVP, I think that I think one, and if you feel this way, cool, Bob, I need you to stand on it moving forward.

If you vote him MVP, you are stamping that right now in this moment he's the best player in the world. And do you think that's a crazy opinion to hold? I think maybe I don't agree right now. I put him third or whatever, I don't think it's crazy to feel the way at all. I would say for a majority of people knowing how a majority of the people in the media operate

and knowing the standards and the checkpoints that people normally require of people, I would say that for a majority of the voters, saying that and giving one be the vote would be different from what they've done previously. I see what you're saying, and I understand that. It is different.

because of many factors. And he's different. And he is not normal. I know he's different. But I also think, again, it's not like Shea has even stayed the same from where he was last year. She has been better. He's also leveled up.

He's also gotten better. And when you look at, when you look at what he's done from a, from a totality of a season where obviously Wemby's case is primarily driven by what he's done in the second half of the year. Not just though. Primarily, that's the first driving force. He's obviously been like good the entire year. But the,

a lot of, a lot of the points that, that people are making are, are mainly from the second half of the year. And so I'm just going based off of like what the arguments are. They've been the two seed all year. So I know your point. He's gotten better offensively.

I wouldn't put it that way at all. That makes it sound like he's having this like Luca type run where he gets substantially better the last three weeks. It's not that. Well, I think, a little bit, yes,

because he did deal, he did deal with the cap injury early on in the season and we saw him be on even more of a minute's restriction early on. So I think in terms of seeing like the in terms of seeing Wemby in like his full game, a majority of that has come in the second half of the year as opposed to the first half. Correct. You're right. He dealt with that in the minutes. And that's been a big talking point on Twitter of all the fans of all the guards coming together to slander him saying like Joel says here, when is the last time a player won MVP coming off the bench or 50% of the season? And they're saying he has less minutes played for the entirety of the season than LeBron James does,

who's not available to win awards because he didn't play 65 games because he has not been on a minute restriction all year and doesn't average 30 minutes for game, average 29, which would be the lowest of any MVP ever. I understand all that. And if that's what you hold against him and why you can't win MVP because he doesn't play enough minutes, okay, that means you're probably a games play type of guy and it means a lot to you. I am not.

I don't care that much because he is the most impactful player in the NBA next to Shane and Yokic. All of those guys are bunched up at the game. top of all the impact metrics when he plays. I don't think it disqualifies him because his team he elects it to play him in a certain way that gets the most out of him. Yonis won an MVP with 30.7 minutes per game

for similar reasons. Bud played him in short bursts because they know if they let him go a million miles per hour on both sides of the court and take a rest, come back on the court, play a million miles per hour on both sides of the court again. That'll get the most out of him rather than him playing 36 minutes

and being tired and not able to get the full effort. Part of it is low managing because of injury. Part of it is that too for Wemby, that he truly is maximized in this way that that's not inherently bad to me when he's on the court for those minutes he's incredibly impactful more than anybody else. If he played 36 minutes a night,

he'd be unanimous MVP, by the way he's playing right now. He's not, so now he's in the convo that already kind of takes in some value of those minutes, I think. Yeah, I don't know. I understand, and if he did get those opportunities, I'm not going to sit here and say he wouldn't be unanimous MVP. His numbers, as is offensively, are like stunning.

But over the last 15 games or 20 games, 20 games or so. I feel like that's even overblown because I'm looking at his numbers right now. He's averaging like the same 23, 24, 12 rebounds for assists shooting like 33% from the field or from 3.3 point line and 48 from the field. Like I'm sure things do feel different. I will say on the court and the process just feels smoother. But overall like that leak at least statistically, authentically, again, only offensively has not been there as much as it should be to warrant granting him a case over someone like Shay. That's not a difficult. That's not a big case for him. It's not about the, it's not just about his putting the ball in the basket, though.

Exactly, I agree. The impact he has, the gravity he has as a role man is truly crazy. The team is really ramping up because of that. Like, everything comes together because of him. And like I saw people were doing the minutes thing. I forgot who pointed it out. Somebody on Twitter, yes, he's nowhere close minutes-wise to the top guys. He's second in the entire NBA in total plus minus, which isn't per game.

It's total plus minus in your minutes, which total plus minus isn't some stat that we're going to point to for anything meaningful in an MVP argument. But when you're looking at minutes and saying he doesn't play, enough, that's a good stat to show that like, it doesn't matter. He's still producing more than everybody besides Shea in those minutes. That that means something to me. That kind of nullifies the minutes played argument to me. It does. And that's why that's why he's second. Like, he's better. You know, he's better than everybody. I think than everybody outside of Shea this year. And like, Shea has sat multiple, multiple fourth quarters as well. And he's had some

in his state taken off of his load. I think you look at what Shea has done as a clutch player this year and he's gonna he's gonna win you know clutch player of the year because even if you like if you go to nba.com and you look at at the numbers like there's a there's a group of people that are kind of close in terms of total points in clutch and then there's somebody way above in that shape yeah and so i think that for a regular season stuff games i think games play minutes played all that stuff i think it does come into account a little bit more just because every single night being available for for your team and being there for a team that also has gone through injuries upon injuries upon injuries.

Yeah. And this is two straight years that, like, we're going to look up and the Thunder are going to have the number one seed. And this is two straight years that they're going to do that with having holes in their roster for weeks at a time because one of their core members is out. And one of the main constant and the constant for that team is Shay, is Shane and his scoring. And the number that you always point out about his efficiency and his,

his true shooting percentage and how like, we only get this from, you know, all time seasons and from big man he's shooting that as a guard. What Shea's doing and the level that he's gotten to this year,

I do think that it separates him even for, if you think that's the slightest margin because you want to put one be at two or you think that he can be won. That's fine. I think ultimately though, She has not done anything

except for get better. And we were having conversations a week ago about, is he the best player in the world? I think he should get the MVP. I agree. Yeah, if I'd vote,

I'd give it to him as well. Well, in some part, this is what happens every year. When somebody's a clear fear for so long, people get bored and want to give it to somebody else and start a conversation. I just think this is a little more worthy than past examples of that. That's fair. That's fair. I agree. Really, the only thing I'm saying is that like, if you believe this and want to vote him, it's not a wasted vote.

It's not silly. It's not slandering Shea or just hate. I think he's a very worthy secondary candidate. His case is very different. And I value Shea and everything he's done to everything you said I agree with, season from start, season to end, dealing with the injuries. he's the MVP. But I think the uniqueness of Wemby's case, the uniqueness of him as a defender,

the uniqueness of him as a on-ball gravity type of player that can be a screen setter, a floor spacer, a slasher, all the things he does that are so unique. If you want to say that culmination of things gives him a unique MVP argument that others don't have and maybe looks a little weird compared to past cases, I don't think he's doing too much at all.

Yeah. Yeah, I can agree to that, but also I see someone like saying, and I see the uniqueness within his story as well. And going back to what you said, like just not having a consistent, complete roster throughout the entire year, Lou Dort been having injuries, Caruso been in and out. Of course, Isaiah Hardinstein continues to in and out. His second best player in Zadup has continuously been trying to find his way through and through.

They literally had to make an in-season trade because their shooting was surprise, surprise, in fucking hell. But nonetheless, like, Shay just continues. He literally gets better off of his MVP season last year and his more efficient player all around the field, bro. That just doesn't make any sense. With all the changes that's been happening around him, he just remains consistent.

I think he's MVP. Yeah, I agree. But I do think Wembe is definitely second. And obviously, Yonka fans hate that. Luca fans hate that. They're ganging up to point to the minutes thing as the main thing. People are mad. People smell the blood in the water.

They smell the Wembe era here. Kind of mad their faves are getting passed up. I think what's jarring is how fast has happened and how, like, the spurs overall are like a legitimate, legitimate concern. I feel like that's, For me personally, I can't speak to anywhere else, but for me personally, that's been like the more shocking thing.

Yeah, I'm mad. How about this? Was it shocking? Zoom in for me? Look at that technique. Technique? Can a technique you be talking? Break this down for us, please.

You see his hands? He has big hands. All right, man. I'll get ass put it to him, man. That's enough. Listen, right? It's a real value. It is unique.

The way he's coming up so fast, and people were like, you guys are ready to crown this guy. He hasn't done anything in the playoffs. so forth, which is some degree I understand. If he does go out sad, he will get slandered for it. That comes to the territory of being hyped up so fast. It's not exactly surprising that he has an unprecedented rise after being an unprecedented

prospect, an unprecedented rookie, unprecedented second-year player. Now he's an unprecedented second-year, I mean, third-year player. Kind of stands to reason. Yeah. Yeah, that's-thripping, man. Sometimes you do got to bounce on it. Sometimes you got to look like Tiana Trump. That's my MVP.

You know what fair. The is my MVP. You know what? You've never told me anything about. about you other than the fact that you are kinky souls. So you're telling me that you are who I think you are. So I can't even be mad at you for saying that. That's not ridiculous to say.

That's not ridiculous. It's not ridiculous to say that. Sometimes you got to bounce. You got to prop up the stars of the future. You know what I'm saying? And you've made that clear from day one of you on this show. So I can't not get mad at you right now. I can't even laugh at you right now.

No. Because you are true to self. I am. Not everybody can say that. I really do have one BNB. I really do bounce on it. I'm not lying. Yeah, I look like

to see I'm on a Trump sometime. This is a basketball show, man. If you try to get it, please. He's one of the best players in the world. We can stop saying the like, oh, soon, maybe next year, he's like top five, whatever. Earlier in the season, I said

when we're doing our predictions episode, I made some like half-hearted prediction where we're just talking where I'm like, I'm feeling a a one-beat type run where we say definitively he's the best player in the world. after this postseason.

We're right on track for that. I don't feel like, again. But that's different MVP odds, I understand. Yeah. And even anything that anybody's saying about best in the world, I'm not shocked by any of it. We were saying this the day he walked in. We've been expecting us.

Before he walked in. Yes, we've been expecting this. So the rise or anything or the thing of saying that he's the best in the world, that's not crazy. When you look at the NBA as a whole, the craziest part about it is, hey there's another guy who has just leaped everybody like yokitch is average yokic on any given night is gonna go out onto the court and he's gonna get you 30 15 and 9 30 15 and 9 30 15 and 9 and do it all the

time and we're gonna be like yeah you're actually getting passed up right now that's crazy there's actually another guy who every single night he's going to get minimum the floor is 20 points. He's going to do that. He's going to be as efficient as as possible. He's going to go win a title with the team that not only once again is dealing with all these injuries, just a broke offense. They won a championship last year because of their defense, because they got timely offensive production. But that was the, that was the Achilles heel for the Thunder last year. And it's the same thing this year where every single time we look at their at their team and we look at the roster and the people that they're putting out onto the floor

like, you had just like a little bit more offensive juice. That's why you ask for things from Chet Holmgren of like, can you put the ball on the floor a little bit more? That's why the A.J. Mitchell Ascension has been so key for them. You asked Case in Wallace, can you do a little bit more off the, off the dribble? Can you do a little bit more attack your clothes out? All of this stuff.

Spoh watching BAM trying guard wendy after all that DPOI talking chatting off the game. It's a great. You have all of this stuff that is going on with the thunder. It's shades at the center of everything. And I just, I don't think that he has done anything to, to drop in standings at all. Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

It's the fourth video we've made the past two years being like, Wembe's here, Wembe's here, Wembe's here. We're getting it last year. He said, oh, damn, Wemby the top 10 player. Beginning of this season after the first three games, just said, damn, Wemby's a top five player. Now here we are. Wimby's a top what player.

Maybe one. People are starting to feel that way and it's not ridiculous. Let's have this conversation after after June. Yeah. Like once the playoffs are fine, and we've said this before, not that any of us, I don't think anybody in the world unless you like super, super hate when being the Spurs. I don't think anybody is thinking, oh yeah, he's definitely going to flop. He's going to fail.

No, we think that he's going to go in and do all the stuff that he's been doing and change playoff series and leave the Spurs moving forward. That's fine. We just need to see it. It just has to be done. It's a prerequisite. it. And you just have to complete it. You're going to get an A plus in the class

anyways. You just have to get the credit. Yeah, I agree. Kind of feels like only teams that have a chance to win the finals now. Thunder, Spurs, Celtics. I agree. Yes. I hate it so much. It's really a three-team race to me. Dude, you know what I feel like

the worst about right now? Fuck no. Hell no. What am I supposed to tell my son? They're going to knock Boston out and you're going to be sad. Maybe. Those West teams, I think, are giving them foot. Yeah. I'm gonna need to see it again.

I ain't going on. And hole. Bro, what am I supposed to tell my son like 30 years from now that, yeah, in NBA history you had this guy, average like 30, 12, and 10, shoot like 40% from three, got no MVPs in both of those years. That just feels so.

Oh, my time of Luke 312 and 10. Both of them. The fact that they're both not going to VPs with the numbers. What the fuck? I thought you were just naming numbers. Jailet. 30? Third?

Right, I can't Listen, man, racism will be going All year long, pro. So these two seasons are going to be the best offensive seasons

of all time that not win MVP for sure. Is Luca going to be the best player and never win an MVP? Maybe, Ra. Luca, I think he's going to be the best player

of all time than everyone in MVP. Well, is he third on y'all's ballot right now? Is he third? Sure. Are we okay? Sure.

Whatever. You don't care about it? I don't care about it. I don't care about going down the belly. Yeah, third is like, all right. After two.

Yeah. sure why not I mean listen if you are third you can you can call that your MVP year true if you have nothing else I'm like Paul George you guys are slanted

it matters for me it's whoever whoever solidifies that third seed yeah you can call him third for hanging I don't care Who's the best player in everybody at MVP right now D-Wade right now

I think that's that's possible you can take that chain yeah 09 09 D-Wade yeah I guess it's a good example or just like for a career like the best player all time

to never win one. So all the top 10 players have one. All the top 15 players. Probably the top 20 players have one. Yeah, so it's probably around that like 25 range. Probably Deweighed. Man, I think Luke was probably going to be a top 25 player. Yeah.

At worst, he'll be top 30. He's going to be where Jim Hardin is at worst, I think. Which is like, I think who'll rank him around 30, 35. Poor guy. What the fuck is he going to have to do with MVP for? Locked him 40. I don't know. Get a one seed.

Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's it. You have a full season of being the best team in the conference. Because clearly stats ain't it. Yeah. We know that.

In the post James Hardin, you can blame Jim's Hardin. In the post James Hardin area, people are done awarding heliocentric stats that don't necessarily translate to the degree your peers do as one seeds or whatever. People are done with 3010 and 10 being an automatic MVP. You got to have some wins with it. I love that old tweet that was like, we call it heliocentric now. Miss when we just called them ball hogs. You know what? Yeah.

All right. Yeah. Delaney come on next year and they're the one seed, wide to wire, at least in the conversation for the one seed like the spurs are now. And maybe they get within a game of it, but they're neck and neck for a whole season. That's what Luke has to do. He's never done that before.

Oh, that's crazy. He ain't getting that shit, man. I don't know. Maybe the LeBron comes back for the minimum next year and has farewell tour because Bronny's playing now and we go out and we get Isaiah Hardinstein. LeBron is about his wife. You're a good writer, man. I know.

You got skills. Your pen works. Payton Watson's coming. They got a salary. Don't Cam Johnson to pay him, so maybe we got Cam Johnson for free instead of Paying Watson. LeBron for the minimum,

another defender. Tari Easton is playing like shit. We can snag him for $25 million a year so we can fix him. Wow. That's actually, I think, very much happen. That part.

Tar, yeah, I can see that. Values in the gutter. Yeah. Give me Tari, Easton, Cam Johnson, LeBron James. Listen, man. Year of three, Ronnie is Pat Beb contributing. We can get a one C.

Ronnie looking nice, man. I ain't going on. I've never lost faith. Yeah It's really like fandom faith Where I'm like I wanted to happen so bad

Yeah It's happening He looks so bad That jump shot Looks good in the G league Hey he made 1 3 In NBA game And it was a highlight

Of the week It looked good All right What's the next story After Victor Woban Yamah What else we got on the docket Do we have more Bam beef type stuff

Bam beef? We have a lot of memes Actually A lot of memes Sorry show me all the memes It is a chat related one Oh, great. The concept of flying 9,000 miles for Chet Holmgren, an Australian fan named Sky E, D, O KC, flew to OKC for a game and had him sign his jersey.

I think he has a Chet profile picture. Yeah. Would you fly 9,000 miles for Chet Omgren? For Chet, no. Who's the worst player you'd fly 9,000 miles for? The worst player? The worst player. Would you fly 9,000 miles for Jalen Johnson?

For Jalen, I would. Naturally. He's the worst player, though. He's the only one. Anyone else? Nope, can't do it. What is on my screen on my other? Yo, that was like Alex Sar, bro.

What the fuck? That looks like Alex Sar. No. Yo, who is this Senegalese man here? What the fuck? No, it looks like. I don't know if I should be saying this. David Nawaba.

Oh, I can see that too, man. This looks like Robert Donnie Jr. and tropical. What the fuck? Get this off my screen. That's crazy. This is straight black hair. By the way

There's no other interpretation of it Oh man I told you put a bunch of dumb stuff in there, bro Was talking hoops with some girls And forgot the M and MWA Oh man Forgot the M and MNBA Oh fuck

And has Bissile's contribution to the news deck No man those videos Patrick Beverly is beefing with Dwayne Wade. Pat Bev went on his YouTube channel and he said that James Hardin is better all time than Dwayne Wade that he clears him. Dwayne Wade responded and said, don't you ever open your mouth to say anybody is better than me, you are nowhere close to better than me, you shouldn't even have the opportunity to say who's better than me.

Was pissed. Pat Beb responds. Actually, this is the original one, right? This is the original quote. That's what happened. The original quote is, you're talking about a player that can score it. A player that can get to the free throw line. De Wade.

A player that can pass out the pick and roll. A lot of people were going to go under on a D-Wade pick-and-roll. I ain't go, front, you feel me. A lot of people were letting D-Wade have that. I ain't going on front. You feel me? A lot of people are letting D-Wade have a discreet. So I'm saying James Harren is a more reversal offensive player, better passer,

more complete score. And where is doing away's response? What did you say? No, this is hilarious. Well, I got the whole... Oh, I don't do this one. Do you have a quote of it? Oh.

I love these so much. It's so interesting because seeing how people, players used to come at each. Initially used to be like people coming at players and players being like, you know what? You never play ball a day in your life. Stay over there. Hey, real quick.

Dom is laughing because I open my timeline. What is this? Palo McCarriverse Toronto. PeebinoJ. Oh, man. Shot pie. Three for 14. I didn't even read that.

As I just want to say, last episode, I decided to get Palo Bancoe credit and he came on dropped the stinker. That is the second time at a time. happened this season. Every time I like to be nice to him in any type of ranking, a young player thing where we kind of like evaluate a player, every single time I give him credit for proving me wrong, he comes out and proves me exactly right and stinks it up. I think I should stop being nice to him for his own good. Or just be smack quick about it. He's after me being changed

my pain every time. But you kind of have to because now we kind of turn the page and I'm like overly he's been that way too. Now I'm the defender. Yeah. You kind of have to. Anyway, this is Dwayne Wade's response to the Patrick Beverly quote. You listen to this. I don't understand how you can have a conversation about me in state facts when you're not as good as me. Pat Bell came out and just talking about me and James. Another conversation with me and James. James Harden is a better player than Duane Wade. Pat just came out definitive.

He was definitive. James Harden is better than Duane Way. Stop. He was very definitive in his answer. And I was just sitting there like, okay, Pat, where's your, what's your facts? Right. To say that someone's better. Or just come on to say what I personally like, the style of play that I like to see is X, Y, Z.

Don't you ever fix your mouth to say, nobody. is better than you, and you wasn't better than me. Like, you can't do that. Like, you're talking about a better player. You're talking about every aspect of the game of basketball. You know how good I was at a lot of aspects of the game? Everybody, if you got a moment, like, you know what, fair. And the issue is a definitiveness of the tone to say it's not a conversation. It's not low key. It's James Harden clears D. Wade. That is definitely the wrong way to say that. Yeah, he took it, he took it obviously a little bit personal. But I can understand that. If you're going to say something, like at least have like a built-all argument that.

that. Say something thoughtful behind that. Tell me, again, what you, what he said? Like, what type of play style do you favor? What aspects of the game do you think is more valuable than me? Instead of just like, yeah, he better, bro. Yeah. That's one thing. And also, what I love, you say take a personal. It's different when it's coming from another player.

Yeah. If I post that a clip in which I said, James Hardin clears the fuck out of Dwayne Wade. And do it happen to come across Dwayne Wade's timeline, he would not give a shit what I think, some random dude in front of a mic. Some random five, six Mexican from a mic. He's not going to care at all. but when it's Pat Bev, when it's a peer saying it that way, that's like, come on, you should know a little better

than to be so definitive like that. You should know the different role you play in the ecosystem. Yeah, peers, it appears a stretch, but... A player, though. That's at least a baseline level of pureness. No, this is the second time Pat Bev's got a little brood over the last year. I mean, listen. Last one was Trey Young.

I don't know. And this one's a real little, bro. You can't say anything about it. Listen, I mean, the set looks different, but like the words of, the nonsense is still the same. Yeah. Embarrassing. Do you see the drama behind the Pat Bev?

podcast situation? Yes. It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. We don't get into it. It's a whole thing. Why he's doing it delo? Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I saw it. I mean, there's a reason. Kind of. Why is he talking about it? You got some chargers and are surprised people

who didn't want to associate them anymore. Exactly. I got some bad news for you, buddy. I got some bad news and how the world works for you, buddy. No. Next thing we had to talk about. Doc Rivers once again shows no accountability.

Doc Rivers on the books being eliminated from playoff contention. It's been disappointing, obviously. Since I've been here. doing a doctor of his voice. Go ahead. My favorite. Since I've been here. I can't even do it.

Since I've been here, I haven't had a healthy stretch. He quit. After three words. Hey, it's rough on the throw. I don't know how he does it. He has some serious throat, just endurance to do that all the time. Since I've been here, I haven't had a healthy stretch, and it's been our key guys. It's been Janus.

It's been Dame. This year, having one quote-unquote star. nasty. Every other team has two and three. Disgusting. We needed health. We were thin. All the talk and all that stuff probably didn't help either. Come on, man. Hey man. Listen. So it's having one star. It's having no healthy stars. And it's all the talk. Never once was it. I didn't do good enough as a coach. Just go back to playing golf and showing up on Bill Simmons podcast. This is clearly not for you. Like if there was going to be one chance for him post-filly to get back and, you know, do all the things that he was doing,

you know, maybe show that you can still coach in the league. This would have been the situation. Clearly hasn't gone the way that you wanted. But he hasn't looked like he's had fun for the last year or so. Yeah. Bro, just leave.

Bro, they're so uninteresting and it's so wildly depressing. And hearing all the Bucks fans talk about it, since I don't know, like game 20 clamoring for him to be fired, he's done like nothing inventive at all other than creating new ways, inventive ways. to figure out how to shit on his current situation and evade every single act of accountability.

Creative on that front. Shout to Ginger Reddy. You know who else? Shout out. Shout out to Nico Harrison, my guardian angel in this world that's changed my life for the better. Somebody posted a picture of him in an airport.

Trade and Luca made you go from private jet to public airlines. Tough, a little rude, tough. That's me to sell. Even as hell. He could be first class. Tough.

Yeah, yeah, might be first class. Might be fine. How I'm supposed to be private just. I think I heard like Sandy Sharp said, like, Cuban reposed of this.

Oh shit. Mark Cuban reposed of this. He has the icon. That's great. Mark Cuban reposed of this clip. Is this professional for Mark Cuban? Is this too uncouth? Nope.

So Mark Cuban should... Considering it's the worst trade in not even NBA history, but sports history, yeah, you get that. The second that you leave the scene, he can get that repose off. Okay. So it's okay that you have to get this off. Yeah. Only on Nico.

He's the exception. Okay. So we can throw low blows on Nico Harrison. That was for now. We've talked a lot about how the NBA is trying to solve their tanking problem, quote, unquote. There's real issues that they feel are completely hampered the long-term growth of the game, and they won't stand until every team tries for 82 games. Adam Silver has some ideas.

These are the three ideas being proposed for anti-tanking measures that will be voted on this coming summer at the board of governors meetings. I should know it was on Wednesday. One, 18 teams in draft lottery, so seats 7 through 15 in each conference, flattened odds with top, with bottom 10 teams having a, an 8% chance. The remaining 20% odds distributed in decreasing order for 11 through 18

and a lottery drawn for all 18 picks. So basically expanding the lottery and doing what they did before where they made it so the top picks had less of a chance, making them have even less of a chance and giving play in teams

equal odds to like the 10th seed. Terrible. I hate that idea. A little weird, right? First sitter. Second one. 22 teams in the lottery using two year records which is seed 7 through 15,

like one above, plus the four playoff first round exits in both conferences. So 22 of the 30 teams in a lottery And it's your record for two years in a row Lottery teams would reach a minimum win total floor In each setting such as 25 wins If a team falls short of that floor

It gets slotted to meet the floor So you don't get any credit for having worse than 25 wins The best credit you can get is 25 wins If you have 10, you get no better odds than somebody that's 25 wins Top 4 drawn as part of lottery as it currently is That is so convoluted Yeah

Did you even follow all that? I read it and I barely followed it the last two years, that's OD. That's disgusting. That's the least OD part to me. That was so convoluted. Yeah. Yeah.

I have a theory that they're trying to NBA cup all of this and just like put a bunch of rules that are so convoluted, NBA teams are just going to play basketball. Not care about their standings. Because they do with the NBA Cup. It's just like, all right, oh, the Cup's starting. Tell me when we're in Vegas, though. Yeah. Yeah, maybe that's a good.

Maybe it's a good. Yeah. That's good. I like that. Thank you. Good job. Third option. 18 teams in a 5-5-5 lottery.

Bottom five teams have equal odds for the top pick. With lottery formed for picks 1 through 5, bottom five teams have a floor at 10. Those that fall out of top 10 get sorted into a separate drawing. So I'm two things. One, I'm glad you're like saying all this because right now my eyes are moving,

but I'm not reading it. Again, it's a lot. I'm barely taking it in. It's a lot. We have two scenarios in which we're trying to fix the lottery and you are still having a lottery at the top for the top

four. I think that we are severely missing what is going on and this is why we said don't trust Adam Silver when he feels like his back is up

against the wall because he is going to deliver some hairbrain get rich quick scheme to try and fix the lottery. And it doesn't, it, nobody at this point feels good about these suggestions or about silver and him

being a part of the, of the decision-making process. And that's a, that's a problem. All of that stuff was ridiculous. Yeah, it's so complex. Like,

22 teams. The league has 30 teams. Dude. What, you're just making, 22 out of the 30 teams are going to be in the lottery. At that point, you're 30. Yeah. At that point, just make this a lottery is not a traditional draft in which the worst teams get the top picks.

At that point, lean just make it random. At that point, let everybody be in it. Whatever happens happens, fuck it. Everybody but the finals team. And that's where you get to the situation where people are talking about like we're spinning a wheel and everybody gets a certain slot. We're already talking about super, super complicated ideas. If we're going to do that, I'm with you. Let's go full chaos.

I like I've seen you're turning the draft order into a TikTok game is hilarious that's what it's going to have to be or what Adam Silver's going to be on the podium doing a TikTok hook even like keep fork up for it

I yeah keep pork up for it's crazy do a draft spin the wheel the only way to fix this he's the worst team he's like we're trying to put an 82 and O team he's like a king of the four How to fix the Detroit

This season and one off season Fuck out of my face Oh my gosh I think this shit is so belligerently stupid I hate everything about this discourse Everything about the fact that the NBA Is identifying this as an issue That must be fixed with legislation

It's so goddamn bad in every regard One we all everybody that talks about it online knows that it's overblown This is not a real issue that needs to be solved The tanking thing is overblown in general if you're going to solve the tanking thing, you can do it outside of lottery reform. The lottery is fucking fine.

The only way to solve their tanking issue is to not have a lottery, is to not have a system of rewards, the best teams of the top picks. You got to complete dismantle it or accept the realities that come with that because you need parity, you need the bad teams to get good.

Like every sports team does, every sports league, I should say, because that's how the shit works. If you're bad, you need good players or you'll stay bad. That's an accepted reality for every other major league in the fucking country, but for some reason,

Adam Silver has the big brain it and try to find some amalgamation of in the, middle things that will inevitably lead to nonsense that makes it worse just like it has been since they change the lottery odds and make it even harder to get out the gutter. It'll all lead to overcomplication, not solving the issue for fans at all, making people more feeling like they're tuning out the NBA because they understand it even less they did before. It's nonsense in the truest form. Also, don't worry. Hope is on the way. We have teams in Seattle and Vegas. Oh, thank God.

Ready to restore the competitive balance in the league. More bad teams whose best players will be Jaylen Williams and Jared McCain. More bad teams who are going to need good players. Oh, wait. They can't get them. You're not allowed because it's unethical to want good players actually and you're bad for the game. Nope.

It's so bad. Bro, they're just trying to change the biology in the NBA. It's just literally like the flow of NBA team's life spinning what happens. That shit is crazy. I feel like the easy answer. Tall skeins. Not easy. There's no easy answer.

Let me not downplay it like it's like it's not complicated. I'm sure it is from the league golf's perspective. I feel like the only way to make everybody happy in terms of fan perspective while not ruining vital aspects of team building and parody is to leave it as it is now and just have like subjective fines and subjective punishment

for people that go overboard like the jazz did where you pull star players in the fourth quarter you can be bad. Most of the teams that are bad right now aren't tanking they're not taking out their best players the fourth quarter and trying to lose that game. They're naturally bad teams who are at that point of their progression. You can do that.

If you're rebuilding and you're winning 10 games because you have nothing with young players, so be it. That's part of the game. But then we come back and we see if you start Jaron Jackson, don't let them play the fourth quarter for no reason, we find you, we don't allow you to count that game towards a draft clause, whatever mechanisms in place. They have to just objectively come in and stop teams

and being dishonest. There needs to be a tanking committee. Yes. And after every single, like the same way that they have the two-minute report and all this, you have a committee that specifically goes back and says, is this team tanking? Is this team making a mockery of the game? And if that committee finds that that you,

disrespected the game and you're tanking, then we start taking all these punishments. And you just got to, yeah, you got to lay down the law. You got to subjectify it. You got to make it the college football playoffs where nobody's happy with the subjectification, but the system is still in place and doesn't ruin it for people that need to rebuild. It's time to be a leader.

Adam, step up. Come on, please. Step up. The league need you. It really does. The league really needs him to figure some shit out and do something other than maximize the dollar. That boy's boxed. He is one top. somebody get this motherfucker at chug jog

did you see that Caleb Williams is going to battle with George Gervin for the iceman name Caleb Williams tried to trademark the name Iceman a name that has come from this past season when he was very clutch and people put it behind Drake edits

because Drake is being called the Iceman in his current era Caleb Williams is a big Drake fan natural synergy he is now the NFL's Iceman he tried to put a trademark on it George Gervin said hell nah there's one ice man I've been the Iceman For 50 years, young fella, I'm staying the ice man. It was so crazy seeing people on the other side of things and be like,

George Gervin, who is he? And does everyone go out with the bat and just showcase one, how good George Gervin is? And also how impactful league-wide NBA history he's been to so many other players who like literally have shades of his game from him. Yeah, Caleb Williams are doing a little bit too much. Yeah. I understand it. I understand him trying.

But as soon you see George Gervin's got it, you're like, ah, fair enough. onto the next yeah you can call yourself ice man trademarking it yeah exactly that's when it becomes like a little bit lame yeah trademarking a nickname

that you got from TikTok yeah you got to piggybacking off Drake's nickname come on now it's only one it's only been one season two you want to be like

you want to be Drake that bad yes come on Caleb yes big fan yeah it's a bit tough yeah

don't sound right don't feel right I got the egg We talked last week about LeBron James walking out of a record store, presumably, holding a vinyl of the fall off like it's an accessory. And we talked about, oh my God, what he's doing is that performative? Jay Cole told the story of why he had that record. Somebody sent me to the post or whatever, and one of the comments was like, this so performative. And I'm like, damn, that's fucked up because in reality, that was at the heat game.

And he was bringing his vinyl because I was at the heat game. And I asked him if he would meet my kids. My oldest getting into basketball, Brian is his number one. And I hit Brian and he graciously said he would do it. And on his way, he had to fall off vinyl. He brought it so I could sign it. So it's like, thank you, Brian, for doing that.

This man was doing me a solid. Bro, that was the craziest feeling. Like, to see your kids, like, meet a superhero. That was my first time ever doing some shit like that. And it made me appreciate all the times that there was a father or something that had their kid. And I get to sign, I'm sure you know all about this.

It's like I get to sign an autograph or take a picture. It's like, oh my God. Like I hear the father in my mind, man, I really appreciate this, bro. Okay, so two things. One, shout out Braun, me and Jake holds kids. Cool moment for him. By everything he's saying, salute to Braun, being a good friend, meeting kids. I'm not hearing the part where he said it wasn't performative.

He brought the vinyl so we can get autographed. He's still walking around with that after his autographed. Doesn't change the essence of why someone might call it performative. Donovan, how does it feel that J. Cole saw your tape? I don't think he saw him. Listen. No versus Bubba, man. I'm going to operate.

I'm going to operate. No versus bubble man. That's what I'm going to operate like you saw it. Everybody. I'm going to say that he did. What's your response? Germain, what's good? What's good?

The response. We have an open seat right here on the couch. Tell us why you don't think that was performed in even more detail. Come on. See, I didn't hear any reason why it's not performative to carry it. I figured autographs, all I'm saying. Salute Braun. I'm okay with him.

Performative with the vinyl. Also, we said it was performative, but we also said it was hard. Okay? It was hard. You know, no more than that, man. Yeah. Yeah. Hard damn performative.

And that is our news of the week to talk about. Last thing we do, before we get out of here, March Madness is coming to a close. It's all crazy game winning shot. What is the worst NBA? team we can construct with current day players that could win March Madness. All right. Does Cam Thomas count?

He got way. He's done NBA players. Oh, you know what, fucking, let's keep him because Cam Thomas would kill March Madness. Yes, if you are in March Madness, everybody knows you need good guards. You need scoring guards. Camp Thomas is our go-to score. We play through Cam Thomas.

That's our path to national championship. We need defense, a little bit passing. Can we get Aaron Gordon? No, he's way too good. I'll get Devin Carter. Devin Carter. They never run at Cam Thomas backcourt. Okay.

Dude, that's so different. Six years super seniors, they're locking down. Okay. And obviously, we need grown man. We need strength. We need the NASA Satenicoo at the Power Ford. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. The strength of having a grown man does a lot against kids. And he could, he can, he can fly over the college school. Okay. So we do need some guy who's like massive. Who's the biggest center in the league who has decent postman? Yes, we need something that can block shots. I think it's important for a college game.

No rim shots. You're going to have to out shoot us, what they're not going to do because they're college kids. so we need a good shot blocker my proposal would be Taco Fall he's not in the law you're right okay yeah

okay we need who's the worst shot blocker that can make his way to national championship glory like the Mias Keda is he too good I think he might have leveled up okay

well Jackie Ety would be cheating in this conversation yes of course exactly would be if we if we put Jericho Sims back in college oh that's good

yo Jackson Hays would be a demit got a college We take one of these Texas bigs. Okay. Yeah. Are we taking Jackson Hades or Jericho Sims? Jackson Hays is funny.

Yeah, Jackson Hades would be a god. So we have Devin Carter, Cam Thomas, Nita three, Thanasis, and Jackson. Yeah, so we need a shooter now because we don't have any spacing of the four and five, which is okay for the college game. We need a shooter that all he does is shoot, I think. Yes, never took a two in his life. Dedicated white man that runs off screens. Duncan Robinson. Too good.

Too good. Sam Howser too good? Yeah, he'd be good. He feels like traditional. Yeah. Okay. Simea, hi, Luke? Svi might be cooking with that.

That's a girl. He would fry the fuck out of those guys, bro. He's going to look like Larry Bird. What? Wow. Svee getting this nod. Yeah. Yeah, I like Svee.

I like Svee's good. Big Svee. Svee's good. Never the little. Do we really want to roll with Devin Carter, though? Can you be like... Well, I'm trying to do the worst team that could win. Yeah.

Devin Carter, Cam Thomas, Svima, Highloon. The NASIS and Jackson Hays that went to national championship? I think so. Yo, Cam Johnson is eating, bro. Probably easy. right? Cam's going on, Cam Thomas is going to go

on one of the greatest scoring runs that we've ever seen. You see what A-Cuff is doing right now? Yeah. Double that. Double that for Cam Thomas. Cam Thomas alone

is winning us national championship. Is he average, he's averaging 35 in the tournament? No, 40. Yeah. 40. 40. A 20.

The two-half game which starts out of course. 40. He's getting them shot up. Okay. In a 40-minute game. Yeah. Hell yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit. Hell yeah And that's end of this episode Wow

That's the end of episode 200 If you were still here What's the comment Man It may eat eating crowns Every single episode Brough And this is the 200th episode

Where you gotta eat crowns Keep on eating What's your favorite crayon behind you? Tag yourself I'm Jimmy Butler Moe Uh What's this one Oh that's you

Yeah probably the email Jimmy Butler. Zoom in. Yeah, the most unrealistic one that I can never see myself getting that in at all. Probably the email one. We got emo Jimmy Buller on the left. We got. I told him he looks like Wiggins on the other side.

On the right, uncapped Jimmy Butler. We got you holding your chin here from an old TikTok. You putting your hands up? I don't know. I don't know. And what we got behind Donovan. Let's cut to him. You thought you were safe?

No. What you got behind you? There was one over here. You got bronze. This is right behind this one. Can't see it. We got long hair, Jimmy Butler, Moe right here. That yellow picture, that's the one where I was like, okay, I see Mikkel Bridges.

Oh, yeah, that's an honestly pulled off. We're done. Yank it off the wall and show the camera. This is Mikhail Bridges. Turn it so it's not so reflective. Yeah, there you go. That's Michael Bridges. This is the one where I saw it.

So if you're still here, comment on a scale 1 to 10, how much Donovan looks like McHale Bridges? Keep on eating, man. With that being said, sure, keep on eating as well. We will see y'all tomorrow for house call on Thursday for episode 201.