The Deep 3 Podcast - We Argued The Greatest Debates In NBA History | Ep. 100

Episode Date: August 2, 2024

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Can you believe that we are 100 weeks in of the deep three? It's dedication. 100 weeks are just straight hating Donovan. How do you feel? I feel amazing. I feel amazing. It really brings joy to my heart to hate and the fact that the fact that we have had a platform for nearly two years where I can just hate. Listen, man, there's nothing better.

There's nothing better. I can, two years of me spouting numbers, mo yapping, you hating, crayon ears, crayon eating. It's been great. It's been a fun ride. Cool to thought. As you guys see, we are back in person here in Los Angeles in my apartment for episode 100 of the show. We've been hyping it up for a while.

We're here. We got, listen, I flipped my apartment around. We got everything turned around. We got some decorations up for you guys. Hopefully it looks better than the last time we were here for episode 50. You let me know what you think. Damn, man, big episode. For episode 50, when we were here last time, we did our top 30 players of all time ranking,

which was by far biggest episode. That shit has like over 600,000 views for three. hour podcast. That's crazy. That's crazy. And I think we're going to try to match that energy today a little bit. We can't rekindle the top 30 players of all times. That's like the most evergreen conversation you could possibly have. But as you see about a title, we're going to do the greatest debates in NBA history. It's going to be a long podcast of straight arguing. We are embracing debate to its fullest potential today. I'm ready. I know this is most favorite thing to do. He loves to argue. Y'all know. Hey, one thing that I can't wait to. Hold on.

I'm not editing shit out Go ahead Take your time Take your time No man I can't wait to go in And talk about All the topics that we have

Waiting for us today Let's get to it, right It's good to it It's gonna be Listen, you guys know us I said the greatest debates Of all time

I am a certified liar I will clickbait you Every day of the week Get you in the door We're not gonna be up here Doing Jordan versus LeBron You should know

It's by now In a different like that Maybe. We'll see. But we're not going to be doing the most cliche, first take-ass debates. You're not getting that. It's going to be a mix of some stuff. So if that makes sense for what you come for this show to expect, it should be fun, man. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice.

We are here with our first guest of the day. And as you guys see, we're going to run through every single guest who've ever had on the show. And when we do that, you know, we're going through the long history of the first 100 episodes. Our last guest who just snuck on, episode 96, we got Pierre here. How you doing, man? I'm good, man. First and foremost, congrats on 100 episodes. I don't think a lot of viewers or people who, you know, just watch any of us who do this podcast and stuff.

I don't think they know how hard it is to get to 100. And it is a very big. very, very big feat. So y'all should be extremely proud of yourselves. It's so, like, through that first 100, it's so many reasons and things to stop. Like, at episode 15, you've had almost so many different reasons and circumstances and why you should just stop. So to get to 100, I think, is an incredible milestone for anybody.

So congrats to y'all, first and foremost. But I'm happy that I was able to slide in at 96 and then get back here. So I appreciate y'all, man. I appreciate the kind of words, yeah. 100's crazy we haven't missed a single week so 100 straight weeks are doing something doing anything for 100 straight weeks is crazy yeah they see i was told years ago when i was a kid that it takes 21 days to form a habit so a hundred weeks straight y'all now have an unbreakable habit of podcast so welcome to the sick oh world that's an addiction right there yeah yeah we're trying to get like you right now on you what how many episodes have you guys been in total We used to count, and that's how we knew when we did 100, but then we got to a point when we stopped counting. And we just had a conversation, I think, when we was in Vegas, where we were like, where would we be if we continued to count? We have to be, so we are in like year seven.

We don't take the offseason off. We didn't stop during COVID when the season was suspended. We got to be in the thousands. Damn. Yeah, two weeks, at least seven, 50. yeah two a week um and then i mean this last season we started to do three because of the linear show if you want to count that oh fuck the built numbers dog built numbers literally yeah so we we've we've we've put in a lot of where then we used to do just the audio when we were doing just the

audio we used to those episodes is crazy you man that was real real like debate we had each other's next type stuff so um yeah we did our we put in our hours our thousand hours or whatever they say 100,000 hours, but 100 is to me the feat. Like once you do 100, y'all might stop counting now. Yeah. Might as well.

Yeah. Yeah. You said you used to be always at each other's neck. Listen, this is a debate episode. I'm going to try to capture energy as much as possible, but every time we have an argument in the comments, they're always like oh, everyone thinks they know what all. Everyone wants to be so mean to the other person. So we'll see how much we can do, but the debate we're going to do with you is

one that I think will have a lot of people torn, I think. We'll see. Steph Curry versus Kobe Bryant. Who is the better player, not necessarily all time. I mean, we could do it based on resume, whatever, but just who's the better basketball player between the two? Well, first and foremost, you talk about being torn. This is one that makes me torn just because I think Steph Curry is an incredible guy that is hard to root against. I'm a Kobe guy, so I think Kobe is a better basketball player. I think it's not even close, to be honest with you. Not close, okay.

And I like the way you structure the question because that's the way I think debate should happen, whether it's player to player, team to team, whatever. Like, whatever is your argument, resume, stats, just peer ability, I think that's the way to debate. Like for however you can find your strength in the conversation or the debate, you find it, I think Kobe Bryant is a better basketball player for a lot of different reasons. Number one, Kobe Bryant. Bryant at 6-6 had a lot more versatility on a defensive end.

That right there is just something that Steph Curry, never in his career, whether we talk in high school, Davidson, Warriors when they sucked, Warriors when they were good, he's never going to match up with Kobe Bryant as the defender. Offensively, both are elite. Obviously, Steph Curry introduced a shot, the deep three. See how I did that? You like how I did that? He introduced that to the game, and it just changed the entire world.

Kobe never introduced anything like that to the game, but I think when you talk about being a legitimate three-level score, Kobe Bryant has that. Kobe Bryant won with another guy like Shaq. Steph won with Durant. Kobe was able to pivot without Shaq and went with Gasol. He put DNA on teams, Olympic. Whatever it is, Kobe Bryant has done and checked the box in almost every level.

And I think if he would have went to college, he probably would have won there, too. He's just one of those sick old guys And my biggest argument With Kobe Bryant, even outside of Steph, is this We say that Michael Jordan Is the greatest of all the time We? And then

We say Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan So if Kobe is the closest thing To the greatest that has ever done it I just don't know how you can argue against that Shout out to Steph Curry though Okay Lots of impact there.

Donovan, as the resident, Kobe and Stefan, you've done a lot of munching over the years. Where do you go? I am torn. I'm with Pierre, though. I'm going Kobe. I think, like, for a lot of these arguments that we've had, a lot of times the tiebreaker ends up being like,

oh, well, this guy's not good on defense. And I feel like when we talk about Kobe, yes, the respect is there. But a lot of times people who aren't putting him in the top 10 or sliding him down, they start putting him into this box of being, you know, just this high volume scoring a guy who just needed to, you know, needed to score and really, really thrive because he was playing next to Shaq.

But for a lot of other people, Kobe's defense, right, whatever you think about the all defensive teams and how, you know, legitimate nine of them are, whatever, he is a much better defender. I think he is a, I think he is a, I think he is an underrated passer I think there's a difference between him not wanting to pass and him not being able to pass

and I think that he has the ability to be a really, really good passer and obviously the scoring aspect of it is there so like with Steph the situation has gone perfectly even throughout the ups and downs the fact that he's been able to have Draymond and have the guy who does everything

that he doesn't do well and him have like that tandem that I think is like you've seen the perfect situation for Steph. We can see the same we can say the same like thing for Kobe because he had Shaq you know guys who check

all the other guys that he's had throughout his entire his entirety of career like of course we saw that he has had Katie a part of his career too same exact similar vibes neither neither were in the trenches I'm not thinking I don't think it's fair to say

to mention someone like Draymond as if he's like the saving hero of step in his career or whatnot i'm i'm saying from the time that they from the time like that they got on it has been stephen like that's been the entire career of stuff and you've seen iterations of kobe where he hasn't had the the running mate right and and even the running mate to the level of shack and or like you know prime prime draymond and stuff i would be with you if 2020 didn't happen but it did he did it with a very diminished clay thompson draymond was still draymond we'll give him credit offensive to he was still draymond was not the team that he once had you know

like if you wanted to say that that nucleus of strength of numbers and then kevin durant was like the perfect scenario and he won with that you won with what we all think is the greatest team of all time sure but the 2022 ring kind of puts that to bed i think that was the one where he carried in the same way that covey did with with palisol when it was really them and a bunch of role players it was Steph Curry and we'll get Draymond on star credit still and a bunch of role players

Steph Curry made Andrew Wiggins into an All-Star for one year when he knew how to play basketball for nine months and Steph Curry made Auto Porter look useful for nine months Steph Curry made Gary Payton Jr. It's all Steph Curry

and I think that shows that spoiler I'm going Steph Curry here and I feel pretty passionate about it I think his ability to impact others and make offenses better with him being the nucleus and bring up role players that difference between him and Kobe

is pretty large and I think that's bigger than whatever defensive gaps you give whatever one-on-one scoring gaps you give the impact to others is I think the most important part of the conversation Real quick, that 22 ring yes, Steph did that

Kobe did that back to back you know what I'm saying? Like he did that back to back and got to a finals the year before right? So he's taking the second iteration team to the finals three straight times and doing all that

so there is a level of raising that Kobe does at the at the same time so yes like Steph got that chip and I'm very very happy because they put a lot of narratives to bed for the stuff that happened you know the three years prior during the KD era but Kobe also has that to another level and he has a three p in the front part of it where after the first one he is the perimeter guy he is the the closer for that team as well so there's there's stuff on both ends of it where Kobe just has a little bit more that he provided than then step in that in that sense where you think here i i think donovan brought up something that way i think you know all of us would not really want to mention too much because the last thing any of us want

to do is discredit any one of these guys especially step curry but i think there is this conversation to have when you talk about step curry and we can sit up here and compare and contrast the players that they play with but the height of step curry has only really been to seen with the nucleus of Draymond Green, Steve Kerr, Clay Thompson, and himself. And when we think of the Warriors, we think of that group. You get what I'm saying? And again, it's not to diminish Steph Curry because obviously he is the face and body of that group.

But we always have the conversations of like, they're all three going to get statues, right? Steve Curry is going to get statue. And then the fact that you do that and bring in. statue what has come to the world Steve Kerr got he lucked out those numbers are going to look really really good when you look at the first half of his coaching career those numbers are going to look glorious when he's all said and done but um then you add Kevin to rant I just I think when you look at Kobe Bryant and I compare these two guys if I don't I feel I can get more out of my team so this is basically kind of what I'm saying they both are going to win with talent

you take Kobe with Shaq they're going to win you put Steph with Durant you're going to win you put Steph with Shaq you're going to win you put Kobe with Durant you're probably going to win yeah when Kobe Bryant was able to wheel Smush Parker and Kwame Brown to the playoffs that spoke a lot to me I don't think we can see that from step curry with that type of team yeah i just because draymond wasn't the same in 2022s neither was clay but to the system their value is going to be much more than what they are to the to in comparison to the rest of the NBA yeah i think uh you're talking about they had this nucleus i get that but it's not exactly like i don't know it's not like

magic kareem worthy where they're all hall of fame stars on their own these guys are amazing because they fit Steph Curry. They're amazing because they have Steph Curry, who is the perfect running mate to make Draymond Green get the most out of his offensive skill set, to make him be this Hall of Famer that he probably wouldn't be without him. He could be in other circumstances, but not to the level he was here. Clay obviously would fit anywhere, but you know, Steve Kerr especially. These guys would not be who they were without Curry and his contribution to that. And I think his impact of that is

kind of like representative of what I was saying earlier with him impacting others is the answer here, I think. You look at scoring. You can give Kobe the score or not if you want. He's a better tough shot maker. We all know that. His efficiency is something everyone always talks about. I think that mostly is product of his era.

I don't think he's this like chucker, bricker that the haters will say he will. I agree. Everybody was a bricker in the 2000s. If you go watch any of those games, you had to take and make terrible shots. That was the game that was asked of him. If he played today, it would be different. What if you played today? I still don't think he'd be as efficient of the score as Prime Steph Curry.

You look at the most efficient 30 point per game scores of all time. It's all big men who dunk because that's the most efficient way to score. You should be sorted by, like, players who average 25 points per game and over 60% true shooting. It's like Shaq, Hakeem, all these guys like that, and Steph Curry. He's in the conversation with big men because he's that efficient. So on top of being, you know, one of the most efficient scores of all time, despite his size because that shooting, I think his playmaking is also underrated because people don't see like nine assists per game and all this stuff. So they don't think he's like, you know, there's a bit a dumbass narrative for a decade that he's not a point guard.

he's a shooting guard, and that's people that just don't know what they're looking at, I think. The way he, you know, we talk about his off-ball movement, runs off of screens, draws all his attention. He knows how to weaponize his skill sets in a way that his scoring makes him as good of a playmaker as, I don't know if you want to give a James Hardin or whatever, these guys that are the elite on-ball passers, his playmaking is at that level. So I think he's the combination of scoring and playmaking that the other greatest offensive players of all time are. So I think he's combined all this, his ability to make people better. He has an argument for the greatest offensive player of all time. he's in that top three or whatever I don't necessarily feel the way about Kobe

despite him being at his peak for his era I think Curry clears offensively and I understand the defense Kobe's always going to have the better defensive impact there for the reasons you said he's 6-6 he was legit wing stopper when he was young I think the time where he was at his best defensively and offensively

there's not like a 2019 Janus year I don't think where he was like top tier defense and top your offense to the point where I don't think Kobe's defense I don't think he's ever like the two-way force that makes it a clear, you've got to go with the defensive guy here. What you said about Curry being one of the greatest offensive players of all time, I don't hear many people saying that about Kobe, and I think that's the biggest reason why I have Steph over him.

There's things that I see Kobe do. I've seen Kobe do plenty of times before, and we've seen other players replicate it, mimic it, and all that stuff. But with Steph Curry individually, specifically, and how he plays and how just, like, versatility, is on that end of the 4-2 and what he does for other people, I just don't see that often. I don't think we'll ever see

that again. And that's why I'm just like, Curry and his offense is just prowess and how he's influenced the entire game of basketball. Kobe's never done that. When I say game of basketball, I mean like the actual X's and O's of it. That's what I mean influence. He doesn't do that. We've seen him

players of his stature before. Curry, we haven't. You're right. And I think the most important part when you're gauging any player is how they drive your team's offense and your team's defense right how good when they're on the court how good is your offensive rating how good your defensive rating how well are you scoring and how are you defending and i think even with his lack of defensive impact you look at on off numbers whatever metric you want to do to gauge how good your team is playing when he's on the court he's always at the top he's always making your team better than when he's sitting and that to me is like you you can do skills you can do who's

better at this and this and this but in the day how you make your team better when you're on the court is what matters and I think his impact outweighs most people in NBA history on the offensive side of the ball. Y'all making a lot of good points. One of the things I think that you, the reason you don't hear that is because it goes back to my stance from last time

is, again, not to discredit Steph Curry because we all know Steph Curry is one of the best ever to play. But I think it's because as good as an offensive player as Steph Curry is and has been, you do have a system in Golden State where he is the best and he is the face of it,

but you can't ignore the gravity and the attention that Clay Thompson also is going to bring on the floor with his shooting. Yes, Steph Curry is arguably the greatest, not arguably, he's the greatest shooter of all time, but the guy right across from him is arguably the second greatest shooter of all time. And then you have one of the best point forwards

that we've ever seen, and then in a small little window, you had the greatest score that I ever seen with them. So I think it's really hard for people to gauge the true facet of his offensive game because you have to factor in those other things. Again, not trying to be unfair to Steph Curry because he can't control who he plays with and who was drafted to his team. And no players should not want to play with Clay Thompson,

Draymond Green, and Kevin Durant, which is why I love Steph because I don't know how many guys would have wanted a Kevin Durant to come over and play with them. But he's such a selfless guy, which is why this debate. is hard that he was like, hey, bring them. Like, let's formulate the best team ever. Let's get the Marcus Cousins, too, if we can. So I think that's why we don't hear that statement of, like, he's one of the greatest offensive weapons in NBA history.

And I think that's one of my biggest things in this argument, as good as much as I love stuff, I'm just going to always think about the fact that you do have a Clay Thompson, who is one of the greatest shooters of all time in itself. You do have Draymond for what he does. and I do agree with Donovan. I do agree with you. I think Steph is an underrated playmaker. I've hated that about that conversation around his name.

That was so terrible. But it's kind of like when Richard Sherman was the top corner. And it's like, oh, he doesn't follow the receiver. But it's like, that's the system. We want to win. Like, who cares? When the receiver is on his side, he's not doing anything. Like, who cares?

But again, Kobe Bryant. And Kobe Bryant is a guy that I just feel like regardless of what you put next to him, you're going to get top tier production. And I think the way that y'all were kind of just talking about Steph Curry is kind of how like James Hardin was. James Hardin was the system. You get what I'm saying? I think Steph Curry to a extent obviously is the system in Golden State, but you have these two pieces and three with Kevin the ramp. That kind of just makes it a little different.

And because unfair to Steph, we haven't seen him by itself. Because for all I know, you take away Clayton's and the Draymond Green and Steph Curry still wins a bunch of games and just has what, you know, a 38 point per game season. Who knows? That could be the result of it or the team may not be shit and Steph Curry may not have the same type of MVP seasons. And I guess that's just something we'll never know. But when you talk about Kobe Bryant and the ability to be able to be a guy that can be a high volume score,

I think that that's something that, to me, is kind of an underrated thing. I think a lot of people in this generation, they look back at the 2000 stats, and they try to use the percentages and inefficiency. I think efficiency in that certain time and in certain conversations is the kind of like overrated, you know what I mean, in my opinion, because I feel like... You're right. People definitely harp on it too much. So two things are true.

One, back then, everybody was less efficient, right? The league average shoe shooting was far less efficient because offense was far less spaced out far less sophisticated X's and O's wise the rules put in place made the game slower more packed in the paint so he had to make those tough shots that was valuable for that time that is true but what's also true is he was also inefficient for his era too he also still like relative to league average wasn't he wasn't like terrible like it looks today but he wasn't like hyper efficient like Steph Curry is so I think overall you're right the efficiency is harped on too much but when you compare him to a Steph Curry it's a pretty sizable gap there even relative

to era absolutely but I think for me When those type of players, a him, a Tracy McGrady. I'm trying to think of the other crazy scores from that time. I think a lot of people don't understand when you go back and you look at the teams that these guys play with, you went out there every night as a first option and the rest of the league knew, and you're out there with Smush Parker,

Devin, George, and Kwame Brown. So it's like, in order for us to even have a chance, I have to take 22 shots. Whether I'm making them, I'm missing them. I have to do this because if I don't, because I'm worried about my efficiency, we're going to get our ass kicked by the San Antonio Spurs literally every time. And hey, even if I do have a game where I'm making the shots because I'm high,

we probably still losing to the San Antonio Spurs. Go look at the Orlando Magic rosters when they had Tracea McGrady. And one of his best teammates was a rookie Mike Miller. You get what I'm saying? Previous to him to before they got Gasol, I mean, I mean, Kobe is out there with Chuck Eackens and a young Karan Butler, a Lamar Odom before the six man of the year type thing. Chris Mim was his starting center.

You know what I'm saying? Like, these are names that a lot of the viewers are going to watch and they're going to say, who the hell are these guys? They went and ate. Bynum turned out to be good. Bynum was the youngest player in the NBA when they drafted him at 10. The guy was like 17 years old, like one of the youngest players ever drafted in a lottery. And it's like, I look at that.

And I remember, like, Kobe was dragging these guys in the mud. Like, Sasha Vuichich, are you shitting me? Where did he play after the Lakers? I don't even remember. That's a great question. That's a great question. Was he a king at some point? He was a king, right?

Maybe. That guy is a champion. He was a king at some point. That's all I know. Every European player was a king at some point in the 2000s. know. I'm about to pull this up. There's like there, Ronnie Turioff was valuable in the NBA with the Lakers.

So when you talk about like making teammates better, yeah, I don't think Kobe did it in the way that Steph Curry does it because Kobe didn't shoot for 40 feet, but I think Kobe has an argument and making guys better. Kwame Brown was a laughing stock in his career. His best years were with the Lakers. Yeah. It was next to Kobe Bryant. You get what I'm a lot to say, though.

Like saying Kwame Brown's best years It's like, all right Great, you know But I get your point Your point you say Kobe also makes you a little better I think Kobe had the skill set for the air To win despite the terrible teammates Right?

Like he could get you a win Even though these guys sucked I don't think he made them better I think he just ignored them And had the ability to win despite it Whereas Steph Curry elevated the guys a little more Which I think gives you a higher ceiling consistently You mentioned not having to see Curry

Be in the mud like that But a big part of that is Because it's easier to not be in the mud whenever you have the ability to step curry they're in the mud is right now and sure we can compare step kerryman and clay what was that well we saw we saw step it's easy to not be in a mud yeah i mean i don't i don't want to count it because it's so it was so early yeah no no no no not not early i'm saying 20 21 like step step's the season where step was just going crazy it was the the plan year yeah playing year post post bubble

He's scoring 32 a night. They don't get into the playing. They are, they, they lost two playing games. Yeah, the seven seed. That's what I'm saying. They had the advantage to get to the playoffs. And you lose to, you lose to LeBron, you lose to, to, to Jha, you do all that stuff. We've seen.

Sure, but. No, I'm just saying, like, if we're, because there's not a lot of, there's not a lot of years for, for the Lakers for Kobe, where it's like, oh, that's a down year, that's a down year. We're really picking out here. If there was no playing tournament, we'd be saying the same thing in 2021 that we said about Kobe, like, 06. were like he took smush parker to the playoffs we'd be like he took jordan pool and kelly we were to the playoffs maybe maybe maybe i i have been i have been anti-playing and some of the arguments that you have told me would be like well you're the sevens he just win the game and so like if you're the words and you're the seven you're sure you have you just have to get a comparison to the

co we took so-and-so to the playoffs it's really the same type of season it's just one didn't have a tournament to get game belabron i'm sorry and not only did you take them to the playoffs they went seven with the Phoenix Suns they did they did they went seven with the Phoenix Suns I mean it's a very close conversation but they do like I think for me if I'm building a team when I look at stuff everything in his career has been amazing and I we're going to say this over and over I'm not trying to discount stuff at all yeah right at all at all I look at I look at Kobe and I see a 6-6 athletic two-way wing who is a high-volume score can put the offense on his back, who is clutch like that.

And I feel like that is a little bit easier to build around than Steph where you kind of need the perfect pieces around stuff. And we've gotten and we've gotten to see what it looks like with the perfect pieces. If for the last 10 years, and again, major ifs, but if for the last 10 years we don't see him play with a top five defender in Dremont. The set the set the second best shooter like it's weird it's weird like that. I feel like you're giving Draymond green and I don't want to say play but I mean Dremont Dremont deserves a lot of credit we're even clay too much credit but really

step has done way more for those guys than what those guys do 100% we're acting like he's playing with like Scotty Pippen like it's not like it's another all NBA give him his own team he can be that guy level players like these are elite all time great role players that fit Steph Curry is closer to like Yokic has the best role players that fit him possible. It's more like that than it is. He got drafted with stars. This isn't magic being drafted with Kareem and James.

No, but we're talking about D.P.O.Y's here, though. Or D. Curry is carrying guys that fit him perfectly, rather than he's being elevated by the perfect cast around him, I think. It's way more the other way than we're talking about. We've seen the Warriors have success when Steph wasn't having his greatest night, so his greatest series. With, you're talking about, like, 2015? Any of them, go to any moments where Steph wasn't

having his greatest nights or greatest series and I don't you know like there is a game six clay for a reason for sure I'm just I'm going to I'm going to Mo's point where he's kind of saying we're giving them too much credit I don't think so we've acknowledged that Steph Curry is the face and body of everything that's going on it starts and ends with him but I think it is ignorant to not include Draymond and Clay Thompson in that conversation because there is a significance That's why Draymond has been able to do whatever the hell he's wanted to do for the last decade. He's punched a teammate. He's ran Kevin to ran out of town.

He's saying whatever he's wanted. And the warriors are like, hey, let's just deal with it. Because they have not wanted to see a version of this team without them. They have not wanted to see a version of this warrior team without them. And a lot of eyes right now are going to be in Golden State for this upcoming season because of the conversation we're talking about right now is kind of brewing where oh shit we knew clay was kind of aging but now he's not here at all jordan pool he was young and erratic but there was something there gone there is no kevin errant coming due to the door john and think of minga we don't really

know what we had it may get ugly here yeah it may really get ugly here and now we have step curry in the media saying i love san francisco but shit i might have to make some decisions He's saying a little shit for the first time because you don't have the nucleus. Yeah. I think two things. You mentioned you've seen him play off games. Maybe this is glaze, but I think part of that is what you said, they have a great system. They have great players around him.

Because of his offball movement and his impact to others, the way he's still respected as a shooter, even when the shots are going in. He has a higher floor when he's not playing well, I think, for that impact he has on others. It's kind of like how if LeBron's shot isn't falling, he still is the passing. if Curry shot isn't falling he still has the impact in other ways So I don't think it's coincidence that we've seen his team win despite him not shooting well Because he impacts a game in other ways besides the shots going in But maybe that's me giving him credit we don't give other people But to the point of the supporting cast I just think you can play the supporting cast game with like everybody

You can do this context like it's part of the Jordan versus LeBron debate It's part of this debate you can decide who you want to give more credit to on each team's resumes Whether it's shack whether it's Kerr Jremont whatever And I just if everybody has that I'm personally not going to point to Clay Thompson and Draymond as being like significant there when you have like Shaq on the other end for that matter

you know? No, absolutely. I just think that if I just think that if we weigh them, Shaq is not going to weigh as much as Draymond, Kevin to Rand, and Clay Thompson. Yeah, Kevin Durant does not going to.

Kevin Rand makes it ridiculous. The Craig Dyer, the Kevin the Rand shit like, Like, oh, man. That years didn't happen in this conversation. Yeah, for sure, exactly. Because it's just like, again, like Donovan said, for the thousand times, I know people at home will be sick of saying it. It's not to discredit Steph Curry in a way where I'm, I don't like him.

I'm just debating and I'm going for Kobe. For sure. But I'm glad I'm on the Kobe side because when I think about Steph and you talk about supporting cast. And again, it's not his fault because who wouldn't want to play with great players? but it's just like damn when we talk about it and we go in depth it's like he has arguably had one of the greatest like supporting cats that you can ever think of it's just like and part of it is because of his greatness i want to make that clear too i'm not here to say that clay thompson and draymond are just like dragging him and where would he be without them because

they have i think the marriage is so well because you have to think of them as like they needs staff in the warriors but i also think that there's a other perspective where i don't think it's the same if they don't have those guys like i just don't i think it's kind of the perfect marriage and the luckiest person to be a part of all of it is steve curr obviously but um i just think that the same like the same thing you said because of the gravity because of the attention that you have to pay to step curry i think of that same thing as with clay thompson you know i mean i think like we saw that um with the split action you know what i'm saying like when no one two guys are involved shit and then to think that they had Kevin Durant at one point involved in

that is insane it's insane yeah we can't get a fair like we we really can't have a fair conversation because of because of those years and for that reason once again that's why Kevin Durant ruined like a decade of NBA basketball I'm just saying you know like the moral story Katie had the most help of all time where the rings at we're here with yet another familiar face, a guess that if you've been here watching for the first 100 episodes of the show, you've seen him before on our channel. Welcome, Lucas Brody, Soho Brody. How you doing, man? 100 episodes. Incredible cell, fellas. How many guests did you have? Is this a marathon recording session? Yeah, we're trying to get every guest who had the show before.

There's only five of you guys. We were pretty conservative with the amount of guests we have on the show. So it's not too much. We're loners. No one likes us. It's you, Pierre, Kenny, Rusty Buck. Kitts and Yokit's Joe Star. Shout out Yolk is Joe Star. Yeah. I got to look into him. No, he's a TikToker. He's great.

But yeah, so for each guest we're having on, we're doing one big debate. The topic of the episode is the greatest debates in NBA history. So with you coming on, I thought it was only right we saved the most, you know, intelligent, substantive debate we're going to have today for you. Just because I respect you as a man and as NBA mind, you know. I feel like I have a fairly trash NBA mind these days Either way In terms of the Flau's mom a genius There you go

So that substantive debate is Who has the most aura in NBA history Long line of superstars Who is carrying the most aura with them This is decades of aura That we have to sift through Who's the one You want me to pitch first

Yes as a guest on the show You go first Tell us your debate stance There's so many options, but as a New Yorker, I had to select Walt Clyde Frazier. Oh. First of all, the best dress player in NBA history, the first player to dress in NBA history, no social media at the time, so he was really doing it for the love of the game.

No stylist. Triple double in game seven of the NBA finals won two championships with the Knicks. Overall, incredibly smooth character. One of the best color commentators, also a very neutral commentator, and he still has the wildest threads to this day. He's killed every single wild animal or livestock and put it into his suit. For two days, he's always coming correct, just the smoothest person I've personally ever seen. Could have gone Alan Iverson, but he had some rough moments in Memphis.

Rough horror moments? I don't know. He's not Clyde Frazier to me. That's my elevator. I'm open to other ideas. Okay. But if you've seen the photo shoot of him and the Rolls-Royce in front of the Brooklyn or Manhattan Bridge, it really doesn't come close to that.

It's a strong contender, strong contender. He's up there. Listen, we have an aura man on the show, a man who's obsessed with aura, obsessed with aura, and that's Mr. Mojo 99. I want you to go second. Who has the most aura in NBA history? I don't accept any of those accusations, but I will say, Lucas, love you, but that was easily one of the worst names that I've heard in terms of aura.

I have to type into that picture because maybe that picture might move me. But as of now, everything that you just described, I can name 50 other players. players off the 50 more. 50 more. 50 more. All right. So names off the top of the head

that you just mentioned, of course, like Alan Iverson, naturally he's like one of the founding fathers of ORA. I would also say Kobe Bryant, he definitely belongs there as well. But then when I think of ORA and like the originator of it,

someone who helps spur some of the greatest ORA men of all time. Dr. Jay. He is the originator of it. He is the grandfather of it. The gold chain, the afro,

what he did back in your hood, Brooklyn as well. Let's not forget those days. Let's not forget those days. This is the loudest he's been all day, by the way. And I ain't a lie. I just gave me a monster. I don't know who was in it,

but it was good. Whoa, that was a crazy sentence. That's what he gave me, bro. What did I say, though? What did I say when I texted you? You told me that Dr. Jay is one of your answers you were thinking about. Really?

He told me I was in the running. This is true, but I guess I went with more New York Nick than Brooklyn Net. Dr. Jay is very hard to argue with, but I do think Clyde Frazier's style is better. Okay, I'll go ahead. You need to see the photo. The photo is my trump card. But also, yes, the factoring. We have to factor in or on the court, though, as well.

Like, all the moves that Dr. Jay did, the dunk contest, the reverse. Layups, yeah, the cradle. It's just hard to compete. I mean, I can't argue with that at all because Clyde Fraser had no moves. No back. Okay, so neither of the answer is the right answer. I'll go ahead and I'll say the low-hanging fruit

that everybody's commenting, tapping right now going crazy. It is Michael Jordan. It is Michael Jordan. This, like Mike, the guy who made the NBA mainstream, they made everybody in the fucking country, all these white kids want to jump like Mike. The guy that was Alan Irison

before Alan Iverson when it comes to that type of influence, he's, you said, Dr. Jay's originator of ORA? Sure, when nobody was watching. The guy who- Michael Jordan was watching,

though. That's the thing. Oh, shit. He was watching that. He was watching. Oh, shit. Yeah, he was one of the influences.

That's a good point. But the guy who put ORA on ABC, on NBC, on the main screen in front of everybody's household is Michael Jordan. We were wearing basketball shoes

with skinny jeans for like 10 years in the 2010s. Only because Jordan's look good with pants, nobody else has made their shoes be that stylish. You're not rocking

LeBrons with cargo pants. You look crazy, you know? every facet we just know that Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan I feel like he's the answer Should we disqualify him because he's so clear the answer Now listen everything you said was correct Except for one thing

Okay You said Michael Jordan was put in the league on ABC on NBC There was a man before him Who took the league from tape delay on And that is that's Magic Johnson That is Magic Johnson And here's my argument for Magic Johnson Everybody when you are born

You are given a number name. I promise you, his mother did not look at him and say magic. That is a, that is a nickname that no matter, it does not matter what his government name is. It doesn't matter what is on his driver's license. That is Magic Johnson, right? His nickname is, that is him. And just like you have your Trump card, my Trump card with Magic Johnson, you get the picture of him and the mink. Oh my God. You get a picture and you want to talk about just walking into a room. and gravitating everybody, that's Magic Johnson right there. To this day, he could walk in, talking nonsense on Twitter,

saying absolutely nothing in a whole bunch of words, and just look at you, say he, he, and you're going to smile. And that's it. Magic Johnson is very, very high up the list. Who is the person in your field in sports media that you respect the most? Skip Bayless. For you would skip Bayless. Great.

What was it for you? Hold on. Real quick, first thing about the nickname. I feel like magic is too friendly to have the most aura. He is like the most charismatic player ever. But I feel like AI, Jordan, that more ice cold aura. I'm kind of disqualifying Clyde Frazier with that. But Clyde Frazier's nickname is because of the fire hats he wore,

nicknamed after Bonnie and Clyde, bank robbers. That is more aura than Dave Wayne or David Copperfield. You know what this is? This is a generational divide. It's like you have to be above the age of 28 to really appreciate Clyde Frazier. And be a nickname, you clown? But again, who's the most respected person that you respect in the sports media?

I don't know. Let's say Kenny Beech him. Kenny Beech him. Would you ever go to the media and refer to him as Black Jesus? No, you would not. That's crazy. Michael Jordan's peers, we're calling him that,

with a stray face, glazing. That is like next little war. You're talking about sports reporters like their NBA stars. Needless to say, I'm not respecting any of my peers that much. To have that much aura that your own competitors

have to be like he's the one he's the savior that's crazy I thought Jordan was qualified from this because that's the obvious okay fine Jordan is qualified never my okay does LeBron have a case those pictures that came out last week of him toadne the flag while it was rating you probably didn't see it because you were out

but tone the flag okay that's not okay those pictures like Cap, LeCaptain America LeCaptain he's in the room out of this with us right now I'd let him ask him Do you see Orr when you look at that picture? Yeah. I do not.

I feel like it's too accessible and to every man and the whole signature series of him lying might take him off the list. That is true. And if he's, that's true. And if, listen, we're talking about accessibility, magic was very accessible. A lot of people had access to him. So we can take him, you know, off the list, I guess. Oh, my God. A lot of people had access to him.

No, what do you mean by the head? So, like, so we can go with Dr. Jay and that's, that's, that's all, you know, that's, okay, if you're disqualifying Clyde for what you said earlier, for the friendliness, if we're disqualifying Michael Jordan for being God amongst men, does Alan Iverson have a case over Dr. Jay? Yes. What is that case? What's the case? I feel like he definitely defined a generation of basketball way more than Dr. Jay did and inspired

kids to look, dress and play like him. Yeah. We all think of the iconic picture of that white kid with the tattoo sleeves and the headband on and the braids. Yes. That picture isn't everybody's mind when you think about it. Even Chris Osprezzias has a picture of him in an AI jersey with like the cornroads and stuff like that.

And he was a little man too so it was something you could aspire to. Yeah. And to change the rules because you just have too much aura is also like the NBA had to institute the dress coach because they're like, everybody's trying to be like you. That's too much. We can't David's there had to be racist to make the or go down.

That's crazy. Wow. Racism. That's so true. It strikes again. Okay, is anybody else modern? Is there anybody else that you feel like you throw it in there? Modern.

How modern are we talking? No, let me not even say that. Anybody else, period, you want to throw in there? That you need to put a shout at least. You're like, no. big man. I feel like this is not a big man's game. It's not at all. Definitely not. I mean, Will, I'm sure for his time had aura. I'm not 65,

so I wasn't watching those radio broadcasts, but I bet he had aura for the time. Do you think John Moran could ever get to these discussions? Come on, man. No. No. I got this by Drake. He felt very comfortable dishing him. What about Curry? Currie has like

that like... No. Little white boys love him. I don't know. He's too into religion for me. That's Max? that doesn't exactly bleed aura yeah like good for him but it's not the most they got a great mystique to me yeah he's too it's too positive of a religion to bleed aura yeah it's not cool he's not like the coolest dude i feel like you have to be super cool i mean obviously he is compared to me but yeah in general i mean what the current oarings what about aunt and shay the current oaringes do you see a path

if they keep going. Oh, I like Shea more than a hand for this. Because he has such a goofball in the best way possible. It's a different type of aura. She's quiet and like reserved aura. Shea's mysterious. So you have to be nonchalant. Yeah.

Nonschalant aura. This is what they want is. Shea is so nonchalant. What other modern players? I don't know. I feel like everyone is so out there. Yeah, too accessible, like you said. Yeah.

I don't know. did uh did uh did never run out did prime harden have aura with the beard does the beer give him a little bit of aura no no no yes

chloe cardashy and hardin for sure who's just unstoppable I feel like he's like not the best fucking dude but I feel like he was pretty attractive to women with the rockets I've heard multiple ladies say that

and then fair enough someone who did have aura a lot of people don't think of it as that think of him as aura man now, but back then in his prime, Paul George, Indiana days, OKC days, the kids are speaking in war for one for his name in terms of one of the greatest players of all time. If there's one thing that Mojo 99 will bring to this show, it is Paul George Glaze in any

capacity he can. What year? What year? 2013. No, 2018. Yep. Third place MVP. Yeah, yeah.

MVP, Gene. That's the great. Young Paul George with the Pacers, dunking over Birdman. Yeah. And the underdog store and then he just started to team hop and then it's way off P all right so who we setting off for this answer are we going with Alan Iverson assuming they're like we have to because we didn't watch Dr. Jay play like that but the highlights of Dr. J are crazy so we're going one MJ to Alan Iverson three Dr. J

there's like one Dr. J highlighted the same there's two there's two there's two no there's two like iconic ones where it's the cradle dunk and then it's the it's the reverse layup and those those those are your mom I do that those are those are you don't talk about social media ora I mean

Jordan number one to me because he's just so legendary that's fair across the world but then maybe within the NBA or America post 2000s Jordan I would give it to AI over Dr. Jett okay well as expected Michael Jordan and Alan Iverson are Our Aura Kings we had to talk it through

but we came to the expected fan favorite answer and that's how time we got with you Lucas we appreciate you coming on and delivering cold hard fashion Adam Morrison too. Adam Morrison could have been this next year. Oh my gosh that is disgusting that's nasty that's nasty welcome

back Jacob aka Rusty Buckets how you've been? Uh you know I expected a follow up you know no that's life we get it rusty you know Yeah, before you join, you were telling us about a fiasco where you lost your phone in the ocean.

So, you know, sounds like it's quite a good way to encapsulate that whole debacle. Mm-hmm. No, I went on a two-week vacation that I needed a vacation from like three days in. So, yeah. Are you high? Are you high? Huh? Are you high?

No. Just double checking me. Just double. That's crazy. Just double check. You've done it before. It's not 20-21. I don't do that anymore.

All right. At all? you clean no i didn't say that i was about to blow the drug test right now i was gonna send it to your crib oh my god everyone had a crazy past what the media's looking like

you know what i'm right so the point of the conversation outside of that is our debate we're gonna do with you like i told you before the whole topic today's show is we're going to do a specific debate with all these different guests we're having on with you listen i see you have kevin garnett behind you and like collage of photos

i don't know if you're a big fan of his or what but we're going to debate who is the greatest NBA big man of all time at their peak so whether you want to do a one year peak three year peak whatever it is the best version of every big man ever who is the goat big well I think one year peak or three year peak really determines it because I feel like if we're just going a couple of seasons my answer would be hakeem if we were going like just one season my answer would probably be shack call whatever you want do whatever criticism

whatever criteria you have we can all pick our own I usually say peak is three to five seasons so I think Hakeem gets it just by the virtue of he's as good as he can be at all the big man stuff

you know the scoring side of things obviously all these guys are going to be capable scores but with big men specifically you're looking at the other areas of the game more with them than probably any position. Definitely. And I feel like he's the greatest defensive player of all time, greatest shot blocker of all time, very, very good rebounder. And then offensively, in terms of his

scoring ability, it's all about the post-up game, which is big man as big man gets. He like has a combination of finesse and the fact that he's still bigger than you. Like, yeah, Hakeem can do a shimmy fade, but he can also just put your ass in the basket. Yeah. And there are years where he's averaging like 26, 27, and then he's also the best defender in the NBA and it's probably not even a competition. I would give it to him. That's a compelling opening argument.

What are y'all going to say here, Kim? It's not compelling. It is gospel. Oh, my God. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? That is, that's the right answer because obviously, like, there's a certain level of a big man that we have today in today's game where you can see.

see somebody who's like 6, 10, 7, 1, and, you know, they like to stand out on the perimeter and shoot 3. And it's like, but you're just bigger than everybody. Like, I need you to have, I just want you to have like that aspect of your game. And like Rusty said, he has that. Then you go and you look at the roster that he was winning back-to-back championships with. And it's him and it's Kenny Smith and it's Robborey. Again, great guys.

You know what I'm saying? Shout out to you guys. Amazing analysts. You are not like second tier on a championship level team type of thing. So the caring stuff, Hakeem also has, and there's a handful of people who have MVP, DPOY, right, first team all NBA, all that stuff in one particular season. Hakeem has that multiple, multiple times. And you can have Kareem, you can have Shaq, it's all that. The two-way stuff is great.

And then being able to go from literally any era, like having, being able to play in the 90s and then you can put Hakeem into. today's game with all the space and all that type of stuff and he would still work and he would still like be this amazing force it it just has to be hooky okay my question is mo i'll let you give your answer first though if that's the case why don't y'all have the balls to rank heim top five all time why if he's so much better if he's better than all these guys you have above him kareem shack Duncan wilt russell why don't you rank him above i can tell you why it's because he doesn't have the consistency throughout his career not necessarily thing it's his fault but there's been multiple first round disappointments missing the

playoffs disappointments that you just don't see and all these other guys in the top five six there's also a lot of years where he's at like 20 to 23 points per game it's just a little too low but it's we're talking about peak couple of years where he's getting into the 26 range on top of everything else okay so he's better suited for this conversation than a totality argument okay yeah okay but kareem is a lot of longevity merchant. Yes, I ended. Merchant is crazy.

That's his argument. Like, yeah, merge is the wrong word. But, eh. Okay, how is he a merger? How is the stuff that Karim does in his peak, not like just...

Well, I'm not saying he doesn't have an all-time great peak because obviously he does, but I also think there's probably at least eight players, probably more, who had a better peak than like a peak, Karim because to me my big thing this this kind of changed my perspective on him

I've already been like kind of a hater for his actual basketball legacy because I feel like he wasn't the best player on the team for four out of his six championships and you just don't let that slide with the top two guys that people always want to put Karim in the same conversation with

but when I was doing the Kevin Durant Hater Manifesto video I wanted to compare like scoring across eras and I was like all right let's just do like per 75 possession stats there were like eight different scores throughout NBA history whose peak like peak years scoring per 75 was like multiple points more than Kareem on better efficiency so like him having the all time scoring record was like the big thing with him you know people constantly want to put him in like the goat scorer conversation for that reason but more years than not he's averaging

just over 20 points. He had a very, very great first couple of years of Milwaukee, but after that he became like no longer a top five player, but still managed to score 20 and win a shitload of championships because he happened to play with Magic Johnson. Okay, well, if we're doing three-year peak, we're going to talk about those first few years and one of those years that averaged 35 points per game and was like the best player ever. Here's my thing. I think he's a better defender. Obviously his rebounding stats look better for like, because it's the 70s. Yeah, it doesn't count. That's just the way that it was But better defender

And then offensively I think if we're just going at their peaks Comparable No and you know Obviously he gets a lot of credit for the Skyhook But Hakeem had way more moves He might not have had a move as good as the Skyhawk He had a bag

Because who did Yes he had a bag There you go Okay so what about Shaq Shack's the big elephant in the room People compare them a lot The Hakeem fans will say like Hakeem beat him one-on-one. He always owned him.

The Shaq fan. The Shaq thing is weird because I mentioned at the front about like the one-year peak with Shaq. I actually think I would choose like either his first or his first to or second most recent magic season as his best season because I think that Shaq in Orlando was just like five times the defender that he was in L.A. while still having the unstoppable factor there. But he obviously, I mean, not that it's as a huge of a thing as a big man, but his free throws were like disastrous, whereas looking at a leather of the other top guys, they're still in the like 70s respectable range. I just don't think his effort and energy on defense and rebounding was ever quite as high

as it is for another couple of the top guys as it was for Hakeem, as it was for Kareem, as it was for Duncan or Garnett, which is fine. But, you know, if we're going to keep calling people merchant, drop step merchant. Bicep merchant. But yeah, he average 29 points of game the second to last year there. Okay, so I want to disagree so bad, but the defense and the two-way argument is so like just... Like, do you see, have you seen his old highlights on Orlando? Do you see how he moved?

Yes, the mobility is different. While still being that big, like, fucking terrifying. But even that still wasn't touching Hakeem as a defender, so I'm trying to think of an argument to go against the team, but it's very hard to not pick a game in this conversation. Okay, are you moved? Okay, now obviously you're moved. O-1, 2000, Shaq, when he was like 38 points per game in the playoffs. Is that more impressive than the back-to-back championship? Hakeem offensively in the playoffs? I think just 38 in the finals. I don't think Shaq ever met a center who could defend him in the

finals other than Hakeem Elijah won when he went to the finals in the 90s. Like, if you're, is the 38 what year was the 38 points was that the nets that might have been 2000 would have been the Pacers I think 2000 yeah I just remember that in 2001 they had their starting center was a dude or not their starting center who am I thinking of they had a he played against the guy whose nickname was Big Mac I know what you're talking about And I was like, Big Mac, are we fucking for real? This is the best you have to guard this guy. Richard Jefferson, Richard Jefferson had that clip when he was talking about Shaq on JJ Reddick's podcast where he was like, teams were just signing giant dudes just because they were giant dudes just so they could foul him and shit.

So like something that I don't think is something you could super criticize Shaq for, but I would at least point it out. is that like the center position kind of fell off right as he started to finally start winning championships with the Lakers. Like the big men of the 90s who were dominant alongside him at that time kind of fell out of relevance. And then the center position after Shaq wasn't all that. It became more about power forwards in the 2000s. But, yeah, I don't know what I'm going to go with this. I'm surprised like no one mentioned Tim Duncan's name just yet. Is he like Kareem longevity merger?

When you're talking about all-time combos? For sure. That's a part of his- I don't think so. Tim does have, especially for going like three-year peaks, we had a three-year stretch where we won two MVPs

and had one of the greatest, if not, I want to say one of the greatest, the greatest carry-job title. Not necessarily carry-job playoff run, but in terms of actually getting your team to the finish line, Tim Duncan in 2003 was the most impressive carry job in the history of,

basketball or at the NBA at least you listen defensively you're probably going to go hokeem a little bit let's call it a draw I think it's like literally they're my top too yeah it's it's Tim and Hakeem Hakeem's a better score obviously but I think you could argue that Tim as an offensive player maybe it's being great pop of his merchant if we're staying on the merchants you could argue that he's a better he makes players around him better a little more he's a little bit more of an elevator not as much of a I so go get him score like Hakeem does that move you no no no not not really i mean i also

low-key feel like kevin garnett was just as good as tim duncan one of them was just in a better position somewhere okay let's hear this one let's do let's look it moving on tell us why kevin garnett is maybe the best power forward of all time oh uh i think he was a damn near just as good of a defender same quality of a rebounder but a better passer, ball handler, shot creator, better mid-range score. There's a couple of years in there, and I think 2004 during his MVP year, he had a better mid-range numbers than Dirk did that season,

while also being the athletic freak he is one of the top three defenders in the NBA. And, like, he has so many guard skills as a big man, which I think is what differentiates him from the rest of these guys. you know and that was really ahead of his time but I've always just felt that like both of those guys at their absolute peak were basically in the same tier of player one of them just had a little bit better

circumstances to say the least just a little bit of a little bit okay where does is Janus in the same conversation of KGDU because you're talking about elite defenders you know he's DP OI as well I think you can I saw that was a lot of discourse yeah that's what I'm asking

on the timeline and for me For me, when I was reading that, I was like, I might officially be old. Oh, shit. I was like, I might be old now because I'm like, man, I'm not letting you say Janus is better than KG. I don't think it's crazy. I don't think it's crazy. I'm not saying it's crazy. Just that, like, I don't know.

I'm not ready to do it yet. I think Janus is right there with him already in terms of all time rankings. He's just going to keep going and then he will definitely be higher. But, you know, I'm not saying it yet. What's the argument for KG over Yonis right now? Mostly defense, right? For KG over Yonis? I mean, he just, he played a full career and Yonis didn't.

Yeah, that's pretty much. I think Yonis is definitely a better score and probably a better passer. And you're talking about KG's ball handling. I think it's neck and neck in the passing department. But I think Yonis' scoring is noticeably better. He's better at asserting himself, like, regardless of what you want to happen. He's dunking on you regardless, where Tim was like, or not Tim, KG was very happy to take

mid-range jumpers all the time better at him than Janice but just being able to lower your shoulder and put their ass in the basket is definitely nice. Yeah, and I guess you can go KG's defense is better. He's probably a better pick and roll defender, better anchor than Janice's obviously, we know he's a weak side

help specialist, especially at this point of his career, he's a little bit older. What's bigger the difference there? The gap in scoring or the gap in defense? A low-key thing might be the gap in scoring and talking about like actually impact i want to point out in terms of the gaff of scoring thing the difference of eras here because like kevin garnett in his MVP season he averaged 24 points which was the highest he averaged in his career but which doesn't sound like a lot but that was the

tied for second most points per game in the entire NBA that year the 2000s were crazy everyone talks about the 90s gritt and grind era the 2000s were even worse so 24 by That one's like 31 now. Right, right, right, right. So, especially if we're just going peak for peak again, I don't think the scoring or defensive gap is super dramatic in either front. I think they're, I honestly, if you wanted to just, if I wanted to just cower out of this, like Duncan, KG, Hakeem, and Shack,

you're not going wrong selecting any of their peaks. Yeah. That's who I would personally pick of those four, throw a dart at the board. Okay, so Is there any way For Yokic to get in that conversation For greatest peak with his defense If he just like

Keeps doing what he's doing offensively For like five or six more years a peak Can he break into that top tier? I mean I just Again, if we're just going like a three year peak I don't think he's going to do a three year peak That's like definitively better than Shaq's

KG's, Duncan's or Hakeems At least not Shaq and Hakeem I don't think, at least in terms of counting stats. Damn, if we do the first two MVP and then the year he didn't win MVP and won the title, again, just three-year peak, that's up there. No, it is, it is.

We were talking about, like, even this past year, if they go and they get, you know, get to the finals, if they win another ring, that four-year peak is among the best already. Like, I don't think that his three-year peak right now is disqualified. And there's, there's, like, There's a level that Shaq has where it's like, even though that you are not DPOY,

you just can't stop me. Like you are going to have to fundamentally change the way that you approach our game because of how dominant I am offensively. Yoko is the same way where if as long as he's passable, as long as he's just not garbage on defense, everything that he's going to do offensively, you can't really touch him. Like you can't, you can't mess with his passing. You can't mess with his scoring. If he needs to, he can go to the block.

get he can get 40 like if need be and so i think i think for peaks like you can you can have the conversation with yokits being up there in like with k g if we're talking about kg versus janis yokic a hundred percent should be in that conversation true but should he be in the hakeem shack duncan conversation yes he can he can be he can he can be and he should be now i'm not now he we don't have to spend 20 minutes on the conversation but he deserves serves at least five minutes to be like I do think he's the greatest offensive five ever I don't easily what that's just done yeah however I think not being an amazing defender hurts you more at the center position than it does it any other one yeah and if we're talking

about greatest defenders or greatest centers of all time rather I'm also immediately picturing some of the greatest defenders of all time shack being the worst one among the group we been talking about, but that's still a much better defender than Yokic is. Okay, before we're in the conversation, I forgot. There's one name we haven't mentioned that all the crayon eaters in the comments will be shouting from the top of their fucking lungs because they had basketball reference.

Why is Will Chamberlain not in the conversation for best people with them? Oh, my God, because he's like Bradley Beal as a center. Bradley Beal! Ooh, man. Here's, there's that's an exaggeration, obviously. Like, I think I have him

like 12th. I have him like 12th all time. Listen, listen, listen. Wilt is paradoxical because the reason people will say he's the goat is because of his crazy high numbers. But when he had crazy high numbers, he was fucking losing all the time.

And then 1967 comes around. He gets a new coach who says, hey, jackass, stop shooting the ball every time you catch it. And he averages 24 points per game, but he does it on like 70% shooting. plays the best defense of his career, and averages like seven assists per game. Three of his teammates become all-stars who were on the roster last year. He just didn't give them the fucking ball.

And then they won a championship against Bill Russell for the only time that he actually beat Bill Russell. And that, to me, like, that illustrates, like, wilt the 50 point per game score is a worse basketball player than, wilt the 24 point per game score. So if you're telling me that he's the goat center or up there in that conversation because he scored a lot, him scoring a lot was the reason he was a loser.

So I don't know what to tell you. It's the same way I feel about John Stockton. It's like if he averaged less assists, he would have been a better player, but you wouldn't rank him as highly if he averaged less assists. Let's go. The TikTok kids get on my ass for shitting on John Stockton a lot.

Why? because they're fucking seven years old and just look at the fact that he has the all-time assist leader don't actually know shit about No, that's what I say all the time is like argue that he's number, argue that he's a top three point guard

without mentioning the all-time assist or steals record There's no argument No Oh, Steele's too like He's the only guy that leads in two categories Two-way Star I'm like, Donovan Mitchell would make him look fucking silly one-on-one defensively

I don't want to hear shit about Stills I'm taking as far as T.J. McConnell I'm dropping everything But yeah man Will's the last one I mentioned Obviously Bill Russell Salute Not exactly in these conversations

Respect but let's be real You can't be the 21 gun salute Sorry You can't be the goat center averaging 16 points Sorry That was crazy

Yeah man that's all the time we have you today I wish it was more of a debate This is honestly just like a you're right Tell us about it Because you came out of Hakeem out of way And we were like oh shit I think we all agree I didn't even intend to agree

with you, but the argument was good. And I was like, fuck, three-year-peak, I think you're right. I was hoping there was someone here who was more passionately pro-Kareem, but I guess not. Yeah, no, it was, when we decided it was three-year peak, I was like, oh, yeah, there's an argument. He's right. I also want to point out, Kareem, very good guy.

I respect him, but, you know, basketball-wise. You called him a merchant. You don't like him. No, he was a civil rights activist. That's a good look, I'd say. Good thing to do that. all right good job

I appreciate you for being down that's great that's not the conversation we're having we got the one of the good ones

yeah stave of approval he's so red right now we love it Rusty love that I appreciate you

coming on third appearance on the show all time how to get you for episode 100 appreciate you man

stay sober welcome to producer corner we got to kill on camera this time on the couch how you doing man i'm good i thought uh no i thought it was time i'd be a producer okay okay so i thought you know like let me let me shoot my shot some people let me let me let me text some guests okay let me see who i can get on board okay and boy did i go to work and let me tell you this is a tough pull hard to get everything set up but you know the guest who's going to join us he's a great debater uh i mean he's here ladies and gentlemen welcome mr stephen smooth to the podcast that's you how you guys do it can you hear us how you guys doing doing good

doing great let it be known donovan did not know this is going to happen this is awesome this is great this is as much a surprise at him wow how you doing man i'm doing good doing good uh you know i'm honored to be on here you guys doing great so uh yeah thank you man back that's hilarious do you uh how about you give the viewers a bit of a background about you know your basketball knowledge you know all that stuff just so Just so they know that you're credentialed. Credential, listen, my basketball knowledge, you know, listen, I started back in the, in 89, you know, watching the NBA. And then I really just got started with Jordan, you know, the Chicago Bulls, watching their whole run.

And, you know, I played all the time, and I still play right now. So I'm watching the NBA all the time, watching all the stats and all the guys, you know, play. watching the new updates and the new generation, so I love it. I love that. During the day of the wedding, we were arguing about the goat debate, and Mo posted the video on his Twitter. I don't know if you saw it. Oh, did he?

I didn't see it. No, I didn't see it. He deleted it by accident, but it was there for a couple of hours, and the fans were flocking. They were like, oh, my God, there's two Donovins. They argued the same. They looked the same. It was crazy.

Yeah. That was cool. That was cool. I mean, I felt like Bruce Lee and, you know, enter the dragon i have my nun chunks like pah it was great so the viewers don't know this you uh you know you were going like one on 10 versus us and you had set up your front-facing camera recording yourself do you want to tell us why you're doing that no i just thought i thought it was great i thought it would be you know uh

you said you said you sent a picture i said you sent either you sent a picture or korena my sister had sent me a picture later you put the film the day after up on the big screen in the house and so she's like he's already watching film post game footage i love it i actually was going back and looking over my arguments and make sure i was right now it was so it's all right all right listen with that being said all uninterrupted we'll give you a couple minutes please tell us why michael jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time uninterrupted He's, I mean, listen, he, he's done everything that a basketball player needs to do. Everybody expired.

Everybody tries to be like him. Kobe was the, I guess, the best copy of him. And everybody's trying to get to that level. I mean, even LeBron is trying to get to a level. He tried to, you know, copy him by being 23. Oh, good. Everybody's trying to beat Jordan, you know. And unfortunately, nobody's going to, nobody's close right now.

I mean, LeBron's not close. I mean, you know, the closest one that came to him was Kobe, and it took Kobe a minute to get there, right? I mean, he had to be paired with Shaq, you know, to get there. He went through his trials with, you know, with Phil Jackson, and he finally got it. But that mama mentality, that killer instinct, that winning attitude, that's really what puts Jordan over the top on everybody else. I mean, he wants to win the game. He's not concerned with, you know, the, you know, how it's done. If it has to be done, he's going to do it.

And I see that's the biggest difference between LeBron and Jordan. I mean, LeBron has, and this is what I don't really understand. Everybody takes it as a slight. I don't know why. I mean, LeBron is, I'm giving them number two, right, of all time. And out of 15,000 players has ever played, though, in, you know, an entire NBA. And people's like, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm number two out of 15,000. Get out of here.

Well, okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. The funny part is, if I told you that Jordan was number two out of 15,000, you would take it as a slight, too. Like, every, like, everybody, everybody who's at one and two, three, whatever, you put them in any order, you are, where you're like, you're nitpicking, you're picking at hairs, you're like trying to decide by the most narrowest of margins. And if I tell you that this person is 0.5% better than, than the other person, you are going to feel like your basketball,

integrity has been like you know and also also when we were at Donovan's wedding arguing with you you didn't put LeBrona too you put him at six we remember that we have it on footage you have it on footage too I do I do I do I mean that's my list you know I'm I'm okay with other people you know saying that he's number two I'm okay I understand that argument as well because The longevity argument is a really good argument. I mean, it is a good argument. It's just not good enough to say that you're the best. I mean, LeBron has played 21, almost for two years,

21, 22 years, and he hasn't done what Jordan has done. We've had this argument for like a decade, and you've never told me that you had LeBron anywhere lower than five. And then to pull up and everybody else is like, yeah, he had him at six. They're like, yo, get you that. Like, what's about it? I mean, I understand the argument of two. I understand the argument of two, you know, anywhere between, you know, six and two.

I understand the argument, but I don't see any argument that can be made for number one. Well, can you lay out your top six or people so that way people can have a good idea of where you put LeBron? Your real top six. My real top six. You don't even have a five, you don't even have four before LeBron. You said Jordan one, LeBron, six, and you don't care who's in the middle. Do you? You don't have it.

Six feels right. He's about six. You don't even have it. I'll put in a light 60s, I mean, I would say, I mean, obviously, Jordan's one. I mean, I would, Kobe, Kobe's not, I think Kobe's better than LeBron, but LeBron's accomplishments are, are better than, are better than Kobe's accomplishments. And so I'm putting, I'm putting LeBron over Kobe. I have Will. I have Will, I have, I have, I have, uh, Kareem, uh, Wilk, Jordan, uh, Man.

He's free-star. He is. Yeah. Magic. And I don't want to put bird here. I don't want to put bird here, but I will put bird there. I will put bird at five for me right now. If LeBron's a longevity merchant and it's a good argument but not good enough to be top five, why is Kareem above him?

Because he also, he also has the points there too. And he also has six championships as well. But they weren't all. Okay. So does it matter to you that they weren't all with him? him as a best player? I mean, it matters, it matters slightly, but he has them. So, I mean, if LeBron has those, if LeBron has another two rings and he's not number one,

then we can have that conversation, but let him get the other two rings. So if LeBron goes and joins the Timberwolves as an old man and gets carried by Anthony Edwards to two more rings, you're not going to be like, he was old. It doesn't matter. Like, that would matter to you? I'm not going to say it doesn't, I'm not going to say it doesn't matter, but at least there would be an argument for it, right? At least there would be an argument, right?

And then, and then you can say, okay, LeBron got six rings. LeBron's got six rings, you know, and 25 years, great. You know, that's such a great win percentage. I mean, I mean, but then at least you can split hairs then. Because at least he would have that. But he doesn't have that. He doesn't have it, you know? Let him get those things and then we can,

then we can have a conversation about it. But he doesn't have it. And if he continues at this rate and he plays another two to three years, he's going to play 25 years, winning four rings, winning at a less than a two to one win rate and the finals out of all 75 players. I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy.

He's the biggest loser out of the top 75. You know what I'm saying? I love. What other takes people strongly about besides a go to debate? What else you got for us? Actually, wait, wait. Let's start. I'll pick one of the ones that you sent me. Oh, you sent it to you.

Yeah. I love it. You got to prep. I got to moderate some of these. Let's start here. You're saying that lack of defense is killing the NBA. You want to expand on that? Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, I think,

I mean, I think we've seen it even this year that the NBA just not prioritizing defense, as soon as a great defensive team comes out, it's not even a competition. I mean, Dallas has, you know, they have Kyrie, they got Luca. And as soon as one good, great defensive team, it's not even a game. It's not even a contest. They lost by 40 points just because they wanted to go back home and play. So it's not even a contest. So, I mean, without you playing defense, it's,

And players, players get better and you see exactly what players can do when they have opposition. If there's no opposition, then the stuff that they're doing is just in the gym. I know you can do this in the gym. You can pay $50, $60 million. I hope you can't have open jump shot. I hope you can double the ball when nobody's in front of you. I hope you can dribble through your legs and, you know, I hope you can do it from $50 million. But if you can't do it, then, you know, whatever.

If there's somebody in front of you, if there's a man trying to beat you to the spot and gets to the spot before you do, and somebody calls a foul on that, it's like, get out of you. here, come on. If I don't slap you on the hand or interrupt your shot, then that's a different story. But there's not enough defense in the league for somebody who's watching the game and say, oh, okay, this is good because you're just shooting over cones now. And I'm not saying, I'm not saying that they're cones, but they're making the, they're making the, they're making the defender a actual defender. That's what I'm saying. That's not that crazy. Yeah, that's not crazy. I mean, I think the bigger, the reality is it's just like really hard to play defense these days

with how good offense is. You got to pull up to 24-hour fitness see how he plays defense. This is locked down. It's locked down. It's not like, do you just want to be good at defense? It's just fucking tough

when you have five shooters and everybody can dribble, drive, and pass. But I feel it would be nice to see a little bit more like rule changes to prioritize defense. So that was not crazy.

We'll let that one go. What's next? All right, let's keep it civil. This one's a little spicy. Let's remember that, you know, this is a public podcast, but you're saying that the WMBA is not a good product

and I think you and we are stopped you and Donovan disagree on this I were cutting this one what's the next question we're not doing this all right I see one about Curry anyway so the second take that you had was that Curry isn't a point guard he's a shooting guard oh good Lord

he's not a point guard I mean they try to make that comparison between him and magic but they're not in the same category I mean it's not the same Steph is a he's a shooting guard. He doesn't control the pace of the game. The pace of the game is control. That's a lie. That's a lie, sir. No, he does not. He does not. He goes around the screen. He passes the ball and he waits for

the ball to get to him. That rest of the team gets him open. The rest of the team is getting him open. That's what the rest of the team is doing. This would be really smart and really true if it was 2013 and we just didn't watch the next decade. Then I'd like, you're cooking. He's a shooting guard. No, but even in 2013, he is more of a like, traditional point guard like if you the before the championship right before kirk comes in his assist are at like seven a game and then kirk comes in and they're like hey you can be more dangerous as as an off ball score like your your particular skill set allows you to play make as an off ball score we've never seen anybody be able to to set other people up when they don't

have the ball like all the great point guards they you know they tell everybody what to do like chris paul he's going to organize the office you go here you go there you come up da da da da all that stuff step is like i can get the ball out of my hands and still dictate two guys are going to follow me because i have to shoot and you can do both we saw 2020 that's also true yeah we just see him organized offense in an inverted way which we've never seen before if my dad was his coach he would run 30 pick and roll as a game yeah but that wouldn't be the best way to use them because he can do both. So you, sir, are out match. Come on, sir. We're going to jump you.

Yeah, see what happens. What are you going to talk? Yeah, I mean, I just don't agree. And again, I'm going to be out of taking me. Yeah, yeah, I think he's a great, I think he's a great guard. I just don't think, I just don't think that he dictates the offense enough. I think the system dictates the office. Just, just like Chicago Bulls.

There was no point guard in Chicago Bulls. I mean, you can say, Steve Kerr or BJ armstering or or Paxton or whatever, but the triangle dictated the offense. So therefore there was no need for a point guard. Same thing with Golden State. The system dictates the offense. And so he's not dictating.

He's in the offense, but he's not dictating the offense. But he, but if Steph's movement creates the system, his dictating and his shooting dictates the offense. You could say that LeBron James. No, no, no. I mean, he wants, he wants to be, he winds up being almost, he wants to be in a spot-up shooter that can shoot off the dribble. And, and, um, and, um, um, um, uh, uh, uh, Draymond is more the point guard than anybody.

If anybody's a point guard, then Draymond's the point guard. If anybody's a point guard, Draymond's a point guard, it is not Steph. It is not Steph. He is, he is the de facto shooting guard. And it's okay. I mean, I mean, I mean, they won four rings with it. I mean, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that the definition of point guard is, is, is leading the teams and

leading the offense. If he's not doing that, then he's not a point guard. He's still a guard. I don't know. I don't know there's a definition of point guard anymore, though. I think that's like John Stockman doesn't walking through those doors pounding the ball and throwing into the post anymore. That's not really how the games played anymore. No, I, well, then then if that's the case, then there's no more point guard position. If you say that, if you say that there's no more point guard position, then I'm okay with that. Now there's just two. Now there's a shooting guard and a combo guard and then you have it like that. People are still listening to one, so point guards still exists.

It's just not. The responsibilities have morphed. You have to be a threat as a scoring. Then tell me the point guard that does what Steph does. Well, the thing is, he's one of the greatest players of all time because he's unreplicable. It's like, tell me who does what Shaq does at that level, no one. He's unreplicable.

So it's, you could say that from a shooting perspective, Trey Young, but he's not the off ball threat that he is, you know, like. He's not the off ball threat, Devin Booker's like that, but he's not as good on ball as a playmaker. Like, people can do big of pieces, but he's so special because he can do all that, and nobody's able to replicate that. yeah i mean i i get that i just don't i just don't think he fits a standard definition on point guard that we've seen throughout the ages and yeah because because he doesn't fit

that because he doesn't fit that that definition he's he's not that definition he's not that point but i but i mean i i i get it either way he just he just i don't think he fits that prototypical definition you know so yeah that's fair not a lot of players do these days anymore it's just evolution things change the way cars run change completely the way technology internet runs the thing about evolution though and i'm okay and i'm okay with things changing as long as you change the definition with it right so that so now that that position is no longer a point guard position call it something else don't call a point guard don't call it point card that's not what it is okay what's the next one for one so far we're with you with the defense not with

you with you with curry what's what's up next uh so sir can you see this uh this progressive, you know, cut out we have of LeBron right here? No, I don't see it. Okay, well, just imagine it's there. It's a cut out of LeBron. You had a take about LeBron's son. Do you want to give that take that? Are we bullying Brunner now?

No, leave Ronnie alone. Leave Brony alone. I mean, listen, Brony should not be in the lead. But this is not his opportunity, right? I mean, this is LeBron's opportunity that LeBron created over 21 years of greatness and everything like that that he handed to him. If I, I mean, if I gave Don a million dollars and Don said, no, I'm not going to take that, dad. You know, it's like, all right, you're dumb.

You know what I'm saying? I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't want to hear anything about, about Bronny saying, you know what, LeBronny, Brownie's not working hard enough or Bronny's out there chasing girls or Bronny's in the club and something like that. You better take full opportunity of this, of this opportunity because this is, there's a ton of guys that are better than you. you that should be in this position. That's my only right with him, you know, is that he's not an NBA player.

This guy, I mean, listen, you know, I mean, he's the 55th picking the drafts. He just had a heart attack two years ago, and nobody lets, he doesn't go to G-League, he doesn't go overseas, he comes straight to the NBA and gets a four-year contract. Get out of here. Who does that? Like, you tell me he's that. There's plenty of 55 picks. Nobody.

That's crazy. I would feel you, if he was drafted like 17th, 55, a lot of guys, you take swings on guys that fell for a reason from the last picks in the draft that you're like, hey, maybe something will happen. maybe he'll get back to his five points in college what are you talking about there's some guys who go 42 that are NBA players yeah so it's fine the standard first second round pick is much lower than reacting because of Brownie like he's not that line it's fine it's fine it's fine if you're the 55th pick and you're not an NBA player it's okay most of those guys don't become

NBA players it really is okay okay I mean I'm not saying again I'm not saying that it's not saying that it's not okay i'm just saying i never want to i never want to hear that brawny's not working as hard as he's probably you probably i'm not saying but i hope you right i agree i hope he earns the role he has and makes emotional situation well see i mean just like awesome rivers you know saying awesome rivers and you know he shouldn't be he should he should he should not have been in the league but oh he was really good at school in call for dot rivers let him stay in the league and let him learn he became a a decent you know role player you know what i'm saying but he shouldn't have been in the league the first five years you know he didn't deserve that no he did he was good he did

awesome he was a problem coming out of high school and college the thing is no i'm not you're saying you're saying the first five years awesome rivers was was a great play was a good player no so you're talking about after like no i'm saying i'm saying after he gets signed with with the clippers and he stays with doc then he becomes it but he but he doesn't deserve that opportunity to even get signed i mean you know you know you know i've had this conversation plenty of of times you know my feelings but but like it's it's a different it's a different situation because again a lot of people you take you take chances and even prior to the art attack brought it brony was listed as as a higher prospect than 55 overall and so if you're if you're

the lakers you're like okay here's a guy you know who had some some medical stuff people take chances on guys who have medical issues all the time technically we're getting a first round talent at value and if we can just he can he can just be on the bench they can stash him he can develop or and do whatever with with lebron right there with the rest of the team and it's going to be okay and guess what if brony doesn't end up being this all-star player not even all-star just like solid NBA point guard it's fine like it's really not going to matter in the in the grand scheme of things no i i agree that it won't matter i agree with it doesn't matter but what's the evidence that he was a number one drafting?

What was the number one? I mean, plenty of people. Plenty of people. Yeah, I mean, there's never evidence when you're talking about recruits. But after his high school, he was ranked about a lot of people being like a top 20 recruit in the class. So, you know, he didn't come out of nowhere. He wasn't a janitor two weeks ago.

Then they're like, come playing the NBA. Like, he had some cashet. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I mean, listen, the guy had, he had carte blanche to pull any shot that he wanted in, in summer league. and I thought it was, you know, it ended on a better note, but it didn't start well.

Not that it starts well for, you know, a lot of other guys. I'm just saying, for you to have a cart launch and take whatever shot, nobody's going to pull you out. You know what I'm saying? You can do whatever you want. You can do whatever you want, and you don't do it. And it's like, okay, we'll see. You know, if he gets some playing time with the Lakers this year,

I guess, no, so be it, you know. He's asking me in the G-League. He's going to be in South Bay. He's going to love it in Al-Sugundo. Mr. Smooth, you got any, any last takes for us? No, I don't have any last takes. I mean, I can't, I don't know the controversial stuff. I mean, I guess the, the Tateham thing, the Tateham thing that he's not getting

playing time, you know. He started today. He did? Yeah, and B, and B came off the bench. And B played no minutes today, but Tatom played. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I just, I just, that's no respect.

And I hope, did he play well? I don't know. I think he sucked. He didn't watch a bit of the game. He didn't watch the second. I saw one clip of him hitting the side of the backboard. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah.

What? Wide open in the corner. So it's awful. It's been a bad summer or a bad two weeks. Yeah. Everything else was cool. That's a bad two weeks. But, you know, hopefully the Celtics run it back. I think they can, you know.

you know he Tatum Tatum has to really take over I mean he has to show that he has the skills I mean he's he's more skillful than I think than Brown is but Brown is more aggressive

at every single point of the game and I think if he if he shows his skill he'll be the best player I think he needs to try to go out there and you know average 30 this year but if he doesn't

then you know he'll be one of those RIP Yeah tough RIP Well that was great I appreciate you coming on

People have been asked for a while. People have seen you, like, just, like, sprinkled into the TD3 ecosystem via clips and pictures of you in Clippers jersey. So hope everybody enjoyed this. Pictures of you and Clippers jersey is so crazy. Oh, my gosh. Listen, I'll tell you about the Clippers. Like, I love, I love the Clippers, only because I really like Kauai.

I love PG. I love, you know, I thought Westbrook was a good addition. I just think that, man, I can't give, I can't get Kauai not another dime. I mean, I wouldn't have been able to be done. I mean, not one penny. He couldn't have gotten out one dime. He can't stay healthy. So it's like, it's almost like, what good are you?

You know what I was there? This is an 82 game season plus another, you know, 20-something games in the playoffs and you can't stay healthy. I mean, I don't want to see Kawhi until, I don't want to see Kawhi to the All-Star game. That's just me. I don't want to see him to an off-sar game. I know why. We win this a great hater, raise an even better hater. The only difference between y'all, too, is just time.

That's literally it. Thanks, Mr. Smith. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, yeah. Well, hey, guys, I appreciate it, you know? Let me know if y'all want me on again. I'll be here. Yeah, we'll be to consistent thing.

We'll have to do the Donovan's dad report. Absolutely, absolutely. For our next guest, again, a returning face to the show. Some of you had on a few months ago, Jack, aka Yokic Joe Star, if you follow him on TikTok. How you doing, man? I'm great. How are you guys doing? Amazing.

Doing fantastic. Yeah, the people at home don't know unless they follow you on Twitter. You're coming in right now through adversity. You're coming in fresh off of an ACL injury off of a surgery. How are you feeling? Oh, my God. I'm feeling, I've definitely felt better. Like, as I was talking to doctors and stuff,

the recovery for this thing sucks. And I was like, yeah, I'm sure it does. But, like, I can handle it. I'm cool. I'm not cool. This shit is so ass. I can't really bend my leg right now. I have to crutch around my apartment and stuff.

And, yeah. How long are you off for? I'm out for probably like a few months at least because this happened. This happened in like May, but I took a long time getting like my MRI and shit done. And then I've been traveling for like the past two weeks prior to the surgery. So I've been out for like almost three months. And then I would wager I'm not playing basketball for like at least five or something. six more.

And can you leave Adrian Peterson Kim back and played in the NFL three months after that injury? And we're for 2,000 yards. This man's a demon. Yeah. Yeah, I don't got it like that. He's a little tougher than I am.

It's tougher on kids, too. Yeah. You know, we're going one by one. Oh, my God. With all of our guests today, we're going one by one, and we're doing one big debate. And we talked a little bit about it

before we got you on here. But our debate we're going to do you today is who is the best offensive player in NBA history? So you know, defense completely ignored, accolades, not necessarily, no, it's part of it, but just on court at their peak, who is the best offensive player ever? And that's the guest. I'd like you to go first. You can present your argument.

Who you think is number one? Cook. I think it's Yokic. That's, yeah. I mean, that's my take. For me, it's like, it's pretty easily, Yokic, LeBron, and then I would have, like, step is in the conversation for me. But I think Yokic just does so much stuff at, like, the absolute. highest level that it's really hard to find a weakness in his offensive game. Most of the time,

if you're looking back through past like four or five years, really since he started making deep postseason runs, the only time you're seeing like offensive shortcomings from him is when he is surrounded by like the Will Bartons, the Baku Kampasos of the world. And that allows whatever defenses he's going against to really just completely collapse in on him. And even in those situations, he's still like a really respectable offensive player. Like he's, he's still like 30, 12 and 5 assists instead of nine assists. And so yeah, I think once you got the 20, 23 title run out of the way, and I would still even call this previous postseason like a huge offensive success. I think if we were to add defense back into the equation, it might get a

little bit shakier for him. But yeah, I just think over the past two or three years, we've seen pretty much all of the league's absolute best interior defenders try to defend him in a vast variety of ways and none of them have really worked except for when the guys he's kicking out to three-pointers for have not converted those looks what's that facts facts facts i like it yeah listen i don't know if i have a number one for sure but i think he's absolutely in the upper echelon you named my three or four guys yoga's absolutely in that tier some people are gonna hate that because some people are nostalgia merchants and they just need to see somebody be retired and somebody be in the good old days for them to really consider somebody

an all-time great talent but he's so clearly the best offensive big of all time I think and if you're the best offensive big you're naturally going to be in the conversation with the best offensive guards with the best offensive wings so you said lebron step uh mj with all in there yokech like yeah this top tier you can throw if you want to throw a layer bird, whoever you want in the back half of that tier,

whatever, Jokic is obviously in that tier. And I think if you're in that tier, you have an argument for number one, whether or not it ends up being the case that is him or LeBron. He's in that conversation for sure. Yeah.

And I would say he's definitely closer to the top of the conversation because he's a big and all the layers that he has to his game, whether it be like shooting, which he's better than average shooter for his size of position

or like the little things like the offensive rebounding, the tip-ins that he does and all that other shit. like that right there along with the passing of course interior scoring that he does just makes him impossible to guard but me personally still with all that being said i think i'd give the edge to lebron because he's a different type of demon naturally demons or demons or guards of the fact it's just about like which which way do you want to attack and i'd rather have someone who's

more like up and down full speed than yokech who you know like he makes you play somebody who runs fast. Yeah, exactly. I can a good argument to LeBron. I wouldn't say this as he runs fast, but you're right. He's a better score. Joe, is it hard to... It's different.

Okay, so I think, you know, I assume we're all going to agree to the LeBron, probably one. Me personally, I'm going to go first. I mean, so, like, I do have LeBron one, but it is very close because, like, I think you, I think Steph has an argument. I think Jordan also has an argument. I think, you... Listen, at the end of the day, this game's about, you know, you got to get a bucket.

And so like, and so like, and so like, it's about a bucket, baby. That's what, I'm saying. And so like for Jordan, that's where he comes in and really, really makes his mark. I think, I think, like, Steph has the very unique off ball movement stuff that really nobody else has that can really make up for the gap in, like, on ball playmaking and, you know, setting everybody else up. I it's very very close I do think that I would go with lebron because because like for for what jack said about yoke is like the only time that you saw him falter was when he had like the will bartons and stuff the brawn's taking will barton to the finals yeah right like you can give him those kind of guys and you're still going to get a level of production from everybody else and a level of elevation so he probably gets it but there's that's probably like my top four yeah like my mount rushmore of offense in the NBA I think I'll probably go Brown to you but there's a I think okay first what do you think is argument for Yokch over LeBron specifically magic as well

you got the conversation between like magic and stuff but okay Jack what are you talking yeah for LeBron specifically what would you say to that so for Yokich over LeBron or for LeBron over Yokich over LeBron I think so to be honest

100% I came in with Yokch because I wanted to give you guys something spicy I think if if you're looking to put Yokch over LeBron you do have to kind of frame it in a way that maximizes the stuff that Yokic is good at while kind of detracting from like the absolute apex shit that LeBron has going on. Hater 101.

Let's do it. Let's see. I think I think Yokic, to me, is probably the most portable offensive player of all time. So if you put him into any roster, I think there's going to be spots where he just maximizes the players more than anybody else. And I think LeBron would be number two there for me.

I just think there's a couple of different. spots where, I don't know, his ball dominance, we haven't necessarily, you see a little bit of it in Miami where he gets off the ball and he gets to cut next to Dwayne Wade, who is a nice playmaker for him and all that. I think there's just more spots where Yokic can succeed off the ball as opposed to LeBron. I think Yokic is also probably the most versatile passer of all time. So I think there's just, that goes hand-in-hand with the off-ball stuff for any spot he catches it on the floor. If there is a good look available to be made, I think he is probably finding it within one or two seconds, whereas LeBron, I think he's maybe just a little bit slower

at that kind of stuff. And that's, I think beyond that, you do just kind of delve into like the types of scoring that you prefer. And I still have LeBron as a better score than Yokic. But I think if you were to look at Yokic's scoring specifically inside the paint, the touch scoring on his floaters and shit like that, and his combination of scoring and passing, I think him and LeBron are the only two who have ever really had like the argument for like best scorer and best passer in the league at the same time. And even then, fuck, LeBron probably had a stronger argument for scorer than Yokic just right now. No, I'm with you. I see what you're saying. And again, I'll go LeBron one, Yokch two, which is still insane that we're putting Yokish.

too. We're still, I guess, probably glazing a little bit, but I'll do it with you. But I think to argue me, if you're going to make an argument for Yokish at two would be him and LeBron being similar things. I actually think Yokch is a little bit better of a passer. You could argue that LeBron's playmaking is a driving kick guy, maybe makes his functional playmaking a little bit different and better maybe. To me, it's more traditional. But Yokish is a better passer in terms of accuracy, ball placement, vision, stuff like that. Scoring, LeBron's more versatile score. He's a perimeter player who can play on the inside. So I get that. But I think what Yokic is a better.

brings as an offball player, he's a stretch five in the day. So the things that you think about with other stretch fives and how they open the pain for everybody do all this stuff, he does that. He's given Jamal Murray a borderline all-star level career because he runs really strong DHOs and sets hell of hard screens that gives a lot of space because he has a lot of gravity because people don't want to help off of him. It's similar to stuff in that way that nobody wants to leave Yokesh open for a pick and pop jumper or an open roll to the rim.

So just by the nature of him handing you the ball, your shot's going to get off much easier, much cleaner. Like I said, he's a spacer. The way he can pass bringing the big man out from a high post position and throwing cuts and stuff opens up the paint more than it does for a traditional point guard. It's kind of the way he inverts the game with guard skills at a Bipman position is like a very specific value that literally nobody else in a history really brings. So if you're going to say that the scoring and the passing is like very similar levels to LeBron, which is maybe being generous to Yokic, you can say that that impact of the big man position is better. I don't think it's that generous. I think he's like legit all time at. I agree. I agree.

both of those things. It's just that LeBron is like literally the standard. So you do have to kind of like angle your arguments to go for Yokic when you're talking about him. But just like yeah, that value that brings like I'm at, we've never seen Yokish with like all-star teammate. Like that's a real thing. If you saw him with like, I don't know who's a regular like if he had like a big three.

If he was next to Donovan Mitchell and McHale Bridges, we would be like, holy shit. Donovan Mitchell was averaging 32 points per game because it's so easy to get a shot off at all times. We've just never seen him do that with a really elite guard. But I think if we did and we saw him with a Dwayne Way. or a Kyrie Irving or an Anthony Davis, whoever may be, we'd realize that Yokish elevates people to a ridiculous level. That's fair.

Tristan Thompson's made over $100 million because of LeBron. Like, you know, there's levels to this. LeBron can do that at the highest level as well. People are out here getting generational wealth because of Obama. Hey, shout out to Bruce Brown. Respect Bruce Brown. Fags. That's, listen, when we adjust for inflation, we'll see, we'll see what the

I think that my also like my personal bias I just need to see somebody on the perimeter right like I like interior interior play like if we if you gave me a choice between like the best big and like this six nine you know flow brown demon that that we have here I'm probably going to take the guy on on the perimeter I think I think you could do a couple more things and and like you say that that you could. is the most portable i think that lebron probably gets him there too just because he's going to walk in and instantly control everything and so like and everybody and it wouldn't be something where he's you know like trying to stick like a wedge into a place that's just the natural hierarchy because everybody kind of understands that he when when lebron's in control we probably have the best chance to to get stuff done so i don't like i think with we're probably like the top five, maybe even 10 offensive players, like their, their ability to be portable, that doesn't mean that much to me because when they step in the room, people are going to follow

them naturally, you know? Yeah. And I think, I think one thing that I definitely, like, so how I think Yokic is a better passer than LeBron, I also think that comes into play. I think LeBron's mindset when he's scoring the basketball is something that we have seen Yokic, if you want to talk about flaws in his offensive game, Yokic can get too passive at times. He can defer to his teammates, even when they're having off nights,

whether it's in pursuit of getting guys to start shooting the ball better, let them see the ball go into the basket a little bit. LeBron, for better or for worse, because a lot of this has been displayed on teams where clearly those guys should not be getting the basketball over him. If we want to talk about like the 2018 Cavs or whatever, we have seen LeBron be like, fuck it, I'm not deferring.

You guys will get the threes when they're there, but I'm going to score 35, 40 points a night for us to win basketball games. And that's a mindset. You see that with Yokic in like 21 or 22 when the team is not super effective. But when the offensive approach gets balanced out a little bit more, he does kind of tend to regress and defer to other guys,

even just like the slightest bit. It's not like detrimental to the team or anything. when you're talking lebron or yokech you're obviously splitting hairs and i think that's a category that i would wholeheartedly give to lebron is like scoring aggression uh okay so let's let's say lebrons one let's say who's the best offensive player besides lebron if we're obviously just an all going to agree there then is yokch over currie magic bird and stuff i would personally have him over curry that's so crazy to say it feels like it but like when i look at it on paper and see how many different ways that yokch just by himself can just

like construct an offense. Curry can do the exact same thing, but it's not like the type of reach that Yolkich has on all levels. Again, when it comes to the rebounding and like the passing that actually comes within himself, I think I lean, I think I would lean his way.

And also I think, it's different. It's tough. It's tough. It's very hard. It's tough. I don't know if I can go there yet. I don't know if I can go there.

I think I would still take Steph over, over Yokch and I think, especially after. After KD leaves, we've seen like this evolution and stuff where it's his his mindset of like, okay, I'm going to go out and get a bucket really from anyone on the floor, his ability to now really, really like get downhill, go to go to the rim and be like, you know, a stronger player like that. I think that in the second half of his career, the fact that he, like, Steph shooting like 43, 44% from three for his career and being that far ahead of everybody else is crazy.

and again even though that he's not getting 10 assists a night he's creating so many opportunities for everybody else where if you were to look at the times people follow him and you know his gravity and all that you probably add up and get to 10 assist tonight like it it would probably get there and he's been as efficient a score as anybody I think yeah I think I would still go go step over over Yokic in that sense mm-uh-uh what a little sassy no no okay yvanna no i get it i think um i don't even know they're so close that like i don't have a compelling argument either way i think they're both top of the line scores that creating their own shots and creating like finishing shots you know obviously

that's a spot of shooter yokech rolling to the room with his touch top of the line i guess i just value yokitch's playmaking. You know, we talk a lot about Steph's playmaking is like underrated because it's off all gravity and it's not necessarily, you know, running pick and rolls, throwing skip passes. But he's a playmaker with the way he uses himself off ball. So is Yokic and he does it on ball. So I think I just weigh his playmaking a little bit better

that it's not as, you know, I'll be the first one to say, Steph's theoretical playmaking is top tier. You don't really got to do any theoretical shit with Yokic. He has that off ball game and he can just straight up fucking throw dimes. Like, I think he has both elements that that's the little bit difference for me. Put Steph into, you know, 35

40, you know, picking rolls a night. Like, I don't, hey, Yokes does he pick a rolls. He stands up straight and he's tall and just fucking throws it wherever he needs to go. And that's, and that's, that's fair. I think that's what does it for me, like, really. Yeah, just the size for Yokic and him just like being able to withstand literally everything. Just because he's biggest shit, what, like, it's, I feel, I feel more safe with him. You know, through the trenches, you know.

I feel safe. I feel comfortable in his arms, you know. I'm just like, what are you going to do when I got the seven-foot Serbian dude by my exciting and I got his brothers in the stands too so really was good you know yeah I can't I can't I can't do that yet I'm not I'm not there yet if there's anybody that will push yokech propaganda it is this podcast I'll make sure yeah I mean I fuck with it not I don't know it feels like it was at its absolute apex after the championship and then you you blow a 20 point lead in game seven you're gonna lose some aura points I understand that but I would probably still go

Yochich. Wait, so with this in mind, does this mean that Yokic has a real chance to surpass stuff all time? Yeah, of course. It just comes out of accomplishments and how long you can do it.

Yeah, I mean, I think I think he has a shot too. I just think it's going to take a lot of people tempering their expectations as to what a better player who is not within like the framework of a dynasty,

what that player's career is going to look like. And that's not me saying, like Golden State is responsible for all of Steph's success. He is the bedrock of why they succeeded so much. But just like we're already seeing it, Denver is not going to be as competent as Golden State was throughout like 2015 to 2022 or whatever. They just don't have, whether it's the spending resources or the front office savviness to continually put those rosters around Yokic. I think for me to put Yokic above Steph, we would need to see a lot more. But I don't realistically expect, like, three more titles out of this Denver roster or anything.

Yeah, rings culture is going to make it hard. But listen, Hakeem has two rings. He's always ranked around like 10 to 12. Yokic can be in that range pretty easily, I think. And if, say, he has one ring, I think he can be in that range with four, fucking, he might have four MVP's at the time he retired, which is absurd. And if he does this for another way, I mean, do you have think he has six more prime years in him, maybe? Five, six, yeah. Yeah.

Then he'll have a solid 10 years of being the best offensive big. you've ever seen. Listen, I'm going to be pushing propaganda. That's a title that needs to be weighed just as much as Shaq's most dominant player and shit like that. We're going to make him be sure he has that narrative push. I think it makes sense. If he wins more rings, then sure he can crack the top 10. But I think he can definitely get to that like 9 through 12 range. Yeah. I think one of my concerns is just the fact that like, low key, it seems like he could retire in like four years and just be like, you know, it's been sick. I have like generational wealth. I bought a house in Serbia and everything and like I've got to go now like it doesn't he he loves playing basketball

you can tell when you watch him and everything but uh oh obviously a lot of the media shit the extracurricular basketball stuff that comes along with being in the NBA he doesn't like that and so I'm not sure even though I think he can play like his game will age tremendously even to the point where he's not like the best offensive big or whatever even if he's falling off a little bit. He'll be good for so long, but it's just whether or not he wants to continue doing that. That's a question that's been in my mind for a little while now. Yeah. Well, dope. It sounds like we have newly crowned Nicole Yokes as a top three offensive player of all time. You heard you here first is definitive. We're doing it. Appreciate you coming on, man. Hey, thanks for having me.

It's always a blast. You guys rock. Thanks, man. I appreciate you. We are here with our final guest of the day. Our first guest actually on the show, You know, we're going through everybody from the past 100 episode to T3, and this is the first guess we ever had. Kenny Beecham. How you doing, man? Good, man. I remember that episode like it was yesterday. Moe was really excited about the Atlanta Hawks and we were telling them they were going to be trash.

And they were. Pain. Yeah, that was very early in the show. We appreciate you coming on that early and appreciate you coming back today for episode 100, man. Of course, of course. I thought you before we started, we're going through every single past guests you've had and doing one big NBA debate. And with you being the last one in the show, I think it was only fair that we saved, you know, the greatest debate of all time. We're going to do the goat debate.

LeBron versus Jordan with you. And what we're going to do is we're going to debate who had the better outfits between the two. It's time to get nasty. I was about to get into my bag now. I was about to get into my bag on my Jordan stuff. But we could talk fits. Yeah, we're just talking the goat fits of all time. If you want to talk actual Jordan versus LeBron, we can do it.

first is get some fits out of the way so real simple which one of the goats was better at being to go off the court which that can beat a lot of things let me not say that right yeah first off let's see his first slide where it's a seven game series

we have seven matchments right now first one who wins game one bro the nostalgia factor of the big ass jeans from MJ is kind of killing it for me and he got some when like 80 went like 85 11's on

unless I'm missing seeing the or they're concords I can't tell the concords hard strong fit this is not a fair matchup it can't be a fair matchup look at the ore that's bleeding

oozing out of MJ right now and LeBron has on a yellow sweater and a green beanie oozing is gross yeah it is crazy you don't put with the jean jacket with no collar I didn't even notice I had no color

see it's in the details I think it's kind of tough that's what I'm saying that's what it is however holding a championship trophy that's the ultimate accessory yeah that's that's different than than some red shades and a green beanie I didn't set up a fair first matchup I guess damn I guess I'm on the side of the old is that that's a clean sweep yeah certainly all right okay so one oh start for the 90s go let's see if we can make a little comeback happen now one oh before it don't matter game two we got the all denim Jordan versus the big ass

hat from LeBron. Canadians suit is diabolical. These Canadians, they just keep showing up, man. They're influences everywhere. He's on a late-night TV show with hoop shoes on. That's crazy to me, bro. That used to be the error. Those look like LeBron 13s or 14.

I know. With the Farrell hat, too? Yeah. Do you know what? The cuff pants and 24, I'm doing this more often than 2024. It might be a dad thing, bro. Like hoop shoes?

Yeah, bro. the book ones I am wearing them to the grocery store right now like like that's it well book one that that's a point so that that that was okay those are like crossovers yeah but if you're wearing like the ant shoe to the grocery store you're diabolical you said you were about to start doing that too I caught you don't lie don't lie to the people I know you just bought some antloas can you confirm or did not I plead the fifth all you got to do is go to Wale's Instagram page. You know what's where you need.

He's keeping DMV fashion alive for the past 15 years. Straight phone posits. Is this the moment where MJ was like, I do want to go back to play baseball? I don't know. I mean, the denim shirt is kind of nuts, but the bottom half is cool. The shoes are cool. They're fine. I think I've given the nod to Braun.

Okay. You're fucking true. It is the era, bro. Because even the Galaxy shirt, did y'all used to wear Galaxy fits back in the day? Remember the galaxy joggers? I only had one galaxy shirt. That's all I could afford back in the day. Just a singular shirt, but you're right.

Spat shut out of the mud. Shut up. He wants to be a trench, maybe so bad. Are we, so we going, Braun? I'm going Braun, personally. Okay, yeah. I'll go, Brian.

I'd go MJ because it's just, you put this fit. You can wear this fit today. You could wear it in the 90s and no one's and look at you like you're insane I'd probably go MJ but that makes it a tie

so we'll go Braun make it a 1-1 series keep it interesting Yeah see if we can push it to 7 All right next up Game 3 We got

Oh my God Braan MJ in his dorm room versus LeBron In peak 2010 fashion Wow 2010 fashion We've a lot that I sec to

That was a moment We've a lot that I seced here First and foremost Why does Why the hell does MJ have an umbrella Inside Why?

It's a Gucci your umbrella two for my, I'm escape you. Listen, it was raining. It was flooded. So, LeBron has a cardigan with a t-shirt under it, a big-ass scarf, again, some hoop shoes, and some baggy pants, but not in a cool, modern baggy way, just in kind of a lumpy way. Yeah. I don't think this is fair.

It feels like the MJ thing is a photo op, right? Like, that's not candid. Like, he might have been dressed by someone else. It's hard. I mean, it's, I think it's a sweep on this one. But I also feel like it's unfair to Brian. Yeah. He didn't put that together.

I'm sorry, MJ didn't put that together himself. No way. And the way he's dancing is funny. He's too... It's all the unusual. You know it's a photo odd because his bed is made. Everything looks pretty. There's no way.

This is natural. This is a college kid. Nobody's room looks like this. Yeah. It is a perfect poster on the wall, too. It's a mad aesthetic, like an interior design. I do want to give Bronn credit, though, because with a couple of adjustments, you could bring that outfit into today.

You're right. Put on some Doc Marns instead of whatever those are on his feet. And I think this is a lot better. And I also take out the sweater or the scarf. I think it's a lot better for sure. Are we going, Braun? You know what? Just because he did it himself?

He was alone. He did it himself. He had no help in his corner. Like usual, it's Bronn. What do we expect? I'm leaning bra. If we adjust for era, do like era inflation, this is the worst era of fashion. so for the time that he put that shit on yeah exactly he even got the beats by dray man

like i don't know this is the era i was in high school where if you had beats when you were on the way to the game you were dropping zero points you needed a pair of beats by dray to even get in the game and he had them all so i'll go with lebron as well okay they have two one one lebron listen it might be a unprecedented comeback lebron being down one o Set her down Set her down Person who you need to do it all This is what he does

Game four Game four Who we got We got MJ in the golf fit versus Lebron and the all white This jacket is incredible I want that really bad

It is It is Wow I'm sorry if MJ wins This is a fire Golf Fit This is fine It is bro

It really is The hat is Like you insane You got to send me this Because I need to put together A golf fit Inspired by this Because this is

insane But Brian do got at all no i will say brawn does i'm not really rocking with the with the tiffany ones at the bottom but the the jack the up top is clean the white pants are clean but mj just looked like he's taking somebody money on hold i might have played too close to your biases here being a big golf fan i might have might have set lebron up to lose it's close though this is the closest but this jacket is it's crazy it's pulling me in see yeah i'm i'm a sucker for a cool jacket in any circumstance and that is like the coolest jacket i i would wear that

I'm leaning LeBron with this one. The only thing that kind of ruins it for me when MJ is the shorts. I like the shorts, but not with the fit. The shorts make the fit. I'll say, that's probably the best part. Really? Yes. I mean, outside that's just a regular, like, a t-shirt and a bucket hat.

Those shorts are peak 90s. Like, you see that design on the little paper cups. Like, that's, that's what that is. Nostalgia's a motherfucker. It is. It is. Kenny, where are you going? MJ on this one.

Oof. Donovan. I'm going to MJ. We'll win MJ I gotta go LeBron I'm going to LeBron That's a tie Nickill who you're going with

Ah he won't with MJ I don't you guys can hear him Okay so 2 2 2 series Man of the people I think this is a robbery But need this to say Let's keep going

Game 5 We got MJ with a 90 suit That has no No like collar or tie or anything I don't know what you call that Looks real like The lapel Looks real North Korean

And then we have Lebron in the all black suit He does look but this is this is the perfect matcher right the last one was more like summer fit versus like a fall fit this is suit on suit lebron clearly this is a sweet he got it yeah do you see them chains on lebron's neck too sir i was gonna say msay jewelry is crazy that's are dancing right now the tone of your voice you like them chains i'm being honest i'm just gonna make sure you guys pay attention to the detail he's just not playing fair right now what can i say bro

I'm just simply observing. You know, this is, this is Braun all the way. Every piece of accessory goes perfectly. MJ couldn't bother to do anything other than put his clothes on. So give me Bronc completely. LeBron, LeBron knew this night was going to be legendary for him. He made this decision like two weeks in advance. He knew exactly what suit he was going to wear.

He had all, he had his entire team working on the accessories, working on the fit, on the alteration, everything. this it wins it's a 10 out 10 all mj did was rub some wax on that bald head and step out the house yeah yeah put that shiny on okay sounds like you nav's decision LeBron up 3-2 Pivotal game six Pivotal game six can't mj push it to seven

let's see this next matchup the iconic michael jordan 90s fit versus lebron at his 70s themed birthday party is this when they were in Paris this was a this was Barcelona I just knew they were that's maybe my favorite Jordan fit of all time I agree

of all time like this the last one made me feel like he wasn't my goat I'm back on track with him this fit man this is this is because LeBron is cos playing as someone else in that picture

let's be real that is fully MJ right there he look LeBron looks like an extra from the walk at like I talk it you know no he's definitely putting on a costume whereas MJ is just being him and know what this was like an accidental

goat fit like when you type in MJ alpha or like NBA player alpha for that matter this comes up this was just like a suit like a body suit he just threw on he didn't intend for this to be the goat fit but it worked out that way I ain't going to lie MJ got it it's clear game seven

game seven go versus go this is what legacies are defined by this is how close they are on the core office the court they they're inseparable it's the smallest of margins what are we got for this game seven matchup we got mj's big ass suit versus lebron with a suit with shorts on high socks and some combat boots ass versus ass yeah this is game seven final score 62 61 like this is all man oh man what are we thinking what let's go piece by piece what do we feel about mj suit how you feel about this red blazer

Um, it's awful. I think that's the, the best way to put it is three sides. It's too big, but it also fits with the time. It looks like what he's, he's just sitting there as an owner. He's owning the, the bobcats at that moment. That's probably what I'm guessing. Yeah. Dang.

Trash times two. It's just bad. I think it's bad all around, bro. I don't know if there's any redeeming factors. There's zero, actually. And there's like numerous, like, irredeeming factors. I mean, not only is the blazer red and ugly as fuck, the shirt's untucked. The top is, like, undone, which is going to be fine, I guess, but it's untucked.

You see the split on it, the big-ass pants. They're good. The bottoms are good. No, they're not. The bottoms are solid. That is cool. Also, nice watch. There you go.

Like, that's the only redeeming quality from NJ. Spit is nice watch. Outside of that, I don't really know. Okay. Well, let's go to LeBron. Kenny, what are your thoughts? I hated the suit short combination. I'm so happy as dead. But again, LeBron, LeBron has been killing M.G.,

this whole series on the accessory game I think that the bag is talk about the bag the jewelry is hard the shades are hard the clip for the tie underrated part to keep everything together hard but again I can see his knees with a suit on

I just feel like that's crazy yeah like listen like Trey yelling at the draft he had the no socks and loafers on I hated it I think I like that a little bit more than the high socks and combat boots with the shorts that this looks egregious

he looks like a Swedish kid I guess a spender's on I've been the lone person on this podcast who defends the suit and short combo I'm going to do it once again I'm giving I'm giving LeBron the nod I actually think that the socks and combat boots is good

there's not listen there's not a lot of people who can rock stuff LeBron is probably one of the five people in the world who can put this on and be like yeah it works I'm giving him the nod and this is why he's the goat this is why he's the goat it feels it feels wrong for me to pick lebron but it feels even wronger for me to pick mj so i'm kind of

torn here yeah i'm gonna have to give the nod to bron unfortunately he don't deserve it it's just it's like a it's like a it's like an iqadala finals nvp to me wow it's like he played well all series but was he really the best out there that's how i feel about this with brown yeah well you're heard you here first y'all everybody watching it home kenny beecham king the fourth quarter believes LeBron is the goat. He thinks MJ is an old bum who needs to grow some hair. LeBron is his goat definitively. Yeah, that's what that proves, man.

Welcome to the right side. The right side. Do you have any actual opinions about the goat debate? You want to get up your chest? No, I was about to just like spew Chicago Bull propaganda from the one time in history. They were good. And that was going to be enough. And it's just my biases.

I can't put them aside. The cop-out answer for me has always been that LeBron is the greatest I've ever seen on my own two eyes. And that usually is enough to get me out of the conversation with the old heads. So that's a good answer for someone who just wants to enjoy basketball and have some positive opinions. There you go. ironic. Well, man, I appreciate you coming on talking real substantive basketball talk.

The conversation is the need to be had. You came on here. You did that today. Appreciate you. Yeah, congratulations, man. Congratulations on the milestone. You guys have been killing it. I love coming on, man. I'm so happy y'all can make some time for me and continue going. I'll be back. I can only be here for milestones now. I just, I want to put that out. So, one million subscribers or 200 episodes, which ever comes first. We'll see you in two years either way.

And that's the end of our special guest. the end of the debates. But that is not the end of the content for episode 100. Not even close. I made a community post a couple days ago where I asked you guys to do a Q&A. Leave your questions for us. Since this episode 100, we want to get you guys involved and we'll answer

them. And my God, you guys gave me so many questions to sift through, so today we're going to get through as many as we can. How many questions they give you? Let me check what the update number is. It was pushing 1,000. I thought it was like 1200. Is it 1200? I haven't looked since yesterday. Combined. You guys really showed out. It's 9606 comments.

And then after we do Q&A, I put another post where I had you guys give us your favorite moments. 541 comments there. So we'll briefly talk about our favorite moments in the first 100 episodes. But let's just do a standard Q&A. You know, I'm going to go through it. I guess I'll start with the top voted questions on here. Okay, the first question is one that we've answered several times now. I guess we'll do it again for episode 100.

Okay. How did you guys meet each other? And why did you guys make this channel? I'm arranged marriage. Yeah. It was ordained, I think, by the powers that I'd be. You know, the people that run the sports media Illuminati, they realized there was a certain gap needed in coverage. And they enlisted us in the Avengers initiative to come talk to some crayon eaters.

Surprise where industry plants. Truth is exposed. No, we'll leave that there. Next question. So how does this podcast affect LeBron's legacy? I mean, he's right there. Ask him. How does this affect your legacy?

so here's a good question now that you've done 100 episodes what is the one thing you still feel like you can as you as a group can do better this right here being in person um the connectivity that we feel in person is obviously different uh being online some things can be lost even though like the whole online thing is fun as hell things to be lost and uh chemistry just like i don't all the time. My energies don't all the time. I whatever we're just here. We haven't told them yet. Told me what? The plan. They're good. They're good. They're good. They're good for now. Are you know what the pressure? They're good for now. You know what the pressure? It's not pressure. They're just good. They're good for now. What does that mean? Ground

eater. Are you noticing? I hope you are. Interesting. Keep that noted. This is a problem that will soon be changed slightly. We'll say that. Noticing. More to come. More to come. what was the moment you guys realized that you guys are getting big when did you realize that this is something that you could do long-term making do a career the eye-opening moment of your guys' tenure in this podcast when we got in trouble when we got in trouble and there was pressure on our back from our last experience

yeah that's what I was like oh shit shit's kind of go crazy I just say there was a lot of inside stuff When we started making the show, we had employers. We all had jobs working in media in different capacities. Darwin was a writer. I was working at House of Highlights. Moe was working at another sports media company.

And employers started to notice, and it started becoming a topic of conversation. Not necessarily for bad, but, you know, it had to be addressed by our employers who paid us to do a certain job. At that point, we were like, oh, okay, this is becoming a thing we had to talk about. But outside of that, I think the biggest, like, oh, shit, this is a cool moment so far is how many people will go up to come up to come up. to me and tell me they see us on the sideline of NBA games in the playoffs yeah so many people were at Donovan's wedding and I saw some people went to school with I was talking to uh Alex and he was like yeah I saw you guys at Madison Square Garden on the sideline I was like oh shit like that has like really mainstream broad reach that people come up to us and like they see us from there

yeah I think when we when we got the plaque it was kind of that was like the cool moment could you see a lot of creators like people hit those milestones and then for us We really had like a very like big boom in the summer. I feel like everything got really, really big, really, really fast. It was like in a short amount of time. And so whenever we got that plaque, it felt like we had something tangible to be like, we're doing it. Like it's this happening.

You know, so that was very cool. I think another moment for me is when we did our first life show in Indiana for All Star weekend. Oh yeah. And we just had our group, our crowd. And it really hit me when someone literally brought out a pack of crayon. And you have to ask for it on stage That was like, okay These are not just numbers

These are actual individuals Yeah, it's always a good thing You see people come with you in person And they say like, oh, I like your show and stuff It always like reminds you of that They're like, oh yeah, like I guess for a while we were blown up on shorts It was like, listen, I know how to get shorts views

I'm really good at that Building an audience is another thing Tons of people get views on shorts But transferring that to a real audience That watches you week in week out We'll buy your t-shirts We'll do all these things To be a committed audience member

that's a different level and you can kind of start to feel that build up once we got like I don't know like a year into it you start to see more more people walk up to some person and it was like more active on social media everything that this feeling that incrementally is really what felt like it wasn't necessarily one moment yeah you know

I'm gonna make some basketball questions in here too who will be the next LeBron for the new era basically dominating every year and proving to be one of the best of all time go ahead go ahead listen our listen our new king Victor Womin Yama Listen

Vic is going to be the goat Vic is going to be the guy For the next five years It's next 10 years Whatever He is about to go on a run At minimum Like three straight

Defensive players of the years Like on defense He has it on lock There's nobody in the league That's going to be able To affect the game The way that he can And now that you see

San Antonio moving forward Getting You know Getting point guards getting guards in that in that room if they get some more shooting they start to build the right way around vic who already can do everything on on the floor his offensive game is about to rise exponentially he's going to be he's going to be the guy and we're about to enter the wimbi era in the NBA it's it's inevitable like get on board right now or or just prepare to hate for a decade

give two options that's it he said it all he glazed it all he swallowed it all he's right I'm buying a wimby jersey. I haven't bought a basketball jersey in, like, for a current player in forever, I'm buying a wimby jersey. Okay. If it wasn't wimby, then who's like next up in line? Is it an American next up in line or no? You know, goddamn well, there's not an American next up in line.

I mean, you better hope Cooper flag is him. Exactly. I want to, honestly, like, I want to say. The only one that you could maybe say is Anthony Edwards, I guess. Yes. Yeah. And I guess, I guess he'll be, he'll be a top 10 player for a long time. we'll probably push top five for sure

I don't really think it'll ever be the best player in the world just because we have Freakazoid big men in the world right now for a while that have it on lock but Anne can be the best guard in the world eventually maybe even then Shane's pretty good Also Lucas 25

Oh yeah Luca I forgot what he's 25 It's Luca and Wembe are going to be Like the two forces in the league move moving forward Luca's already a force You know like we're we're talking about all time stuff With Luca and if you can get him you know, competent stuff. You saw, you saw what happened this year.

You put a solid team around them during the finals. And that's probably going to be the norm in terms of the Mavs being able to compete. I don't personally, right, going into the next year, I don't think that the Mavs are going to have the same type of success, but they're always going to be in the mix because Luka is unstoppable. Thank God for Jason Tatum, man. Going to carry us on the Americans in the NBA. So Luca and Wembe.

So what all do you all, do you guys do? side of YouTube and basketball such as hobbies what's your biggest hobbies you do my interest bro i'm a crowned ear or heart i watch youtube videos and i'd be on tic-tok uh of interest i play basketball of course lift here and there as well uh that's about it dude literally just watch basketball and play basketball if i'm not doing that i'm chilling my fame okay i'm uh i used to be a big gamer big 2k and madden try hard not as much anymore kind of i'm getting a little wash there Getting back in the Madden now But I've been watched for a few years

Mostly working out every day And I'm really into movies and TV Got the AMC Stubbs A list film pass Go to two or three movies per week Loser Loser I'm iconic argument But that was on the pod right?

Yeah Yeah most of watching movies in the day's loser activity It was it was Yeah I mostly watch that night But yeah I was a big movie guy Big TV guy

But I do I like to lift a lot I like to cook a lot like to listen to music That's that's really like this right now Huh Top three artists right now go Like right now right now

Kendrick Kendrick Kendrick Just like in your rotation I'm wearing a Drake shirt In my in my rotation I can pull it up very very very quickly Okay Isaac do you have a top three right now Right now

Dude rap is so washed right now This year it's been so slow Outside of all the beef stuff I've been listening to like straight pop Really like my I mean I'll listen to all the music My girlfriend listens to as of late I've been listening to straight white girl music

You put me on this all I guess she's not a white girl She's not a white girl I'm listening to a lot Chapel Rhone You put me on though She's she's fire Dude she's fire she is I don't need to I'm my top three right now

I've been listening to the No Worry's album Been listening to a lot of Lucky Day And then listening to Dino Curry's album was very very good So top three right now And what else am I into? I'm into buying books I'm into reading a little bit

I'm into reading comic books. I have a lot of comic books. He reads books like LeBron reads books like LeBron, but not as good as I should for how many I buy, but I'm really, I got a lot of comics down here waiting down this table. I'm really into comics. I got that's about it. But put that by now quick, please. We had a technical error and Diet Coke spilled all over the floor, fucked up one of the XLR cords. Okay, next question. Which analyst has the worst sports stakes? I mean can you even say skate bailiffs anymore because he's like he's gonna be done retired yeah I plead the fifth yeah who is the best sports takes is your favorite sports analyst outside of I like your twin Nick Wright my twin Nick Wright yeah Chris Nick Wright's cool in terms of I guess like my favorite honesty right now I meeting comms is the she's she's awesome I love me I love meeting times that's in basketball I'm not I'm not sure right now but just like sports people and the sports stuff that I like to watch I like watching me to

comments a lot. I don't listen to a lot of basketball commentators anymore. I've kind of like narrowed under a few I go to but I try not to overdo it. I listen to everything Zach Low puts out. Oh yeah. He's great. Yeah. He's like my every year on Spotify wrapped my top thing is never music. It's always the Zach Lowe podcast. My most minutes put into anything. And then I like thinking basketball. Haven't been watching as much lately on his YouTube side, but I listen to his podcast a good amount. And yeah, there's really just those two and Kenny are the main ones I watch on a consistent basis in basketball. Zach Lowe's like the grandfather versus

he has like such a great balance of just like yeah he knows what he's talking about too but it's in a super digestible way in terms of just like the terminology that he uses and he's tapped in also so yeah it's great source. Zachary 99 said I guess I've seen their names by bad I haven't been saying y'all's names that's the whole point

Zachary 99 said will you ever add another member no but we will keep doing more and more guess no new friends sorry someone else asked what's the next thing for the show next thing you get next era and he's like is it more in-person podcast what is it yes it's more in-person stuff but it's also more interviews we get more more and more collaborations yeah listen this this probably going through all of our interviews over the first hundred episodes was only five guys it wasn't exactly a lot of people

and obviously we also did the NBA call myself a lot of players but I can't exactly tell jerry McCain to come back on in a whim but you know more and more collabs I think is the next he's the homie he'll come back on I'll call him I got his number Yo, remember that time that conversation we had about throats? Come back on you, you know. Shout out to Kujo, Ecuador, 70, 84, he said. That's the name. If you were, I said that's so wrong, by the way, I didn't even try.

He said, if you were deserved on the island, which NBA player would you choose to be with you? Who are you picking? On an island? Somebody were sourced. Can we do, like, all time? Sure. I mean, you know. You're picking Paul George.

Stop. For what? Now I'm picking someone who looks like they can start fires Like with just their raw hands and also some like rocks And you know what would If I'm on a deserted island I don't know what's about to come out of the trees I need protection.

Give me James Johnson Mm-hmm If you're, I need a bodyguard If he's a bodyguard He's like secret service types of something But he's not like yeah I digress who would pick an Isaac Patrick Beverly

Okay going yap your ears off you're not going to survive when y'all first started the podcast what was your initial expectations of the future and how different is it from what you do now shout out to peace to the world 50-51 there was no expectation for me I just I was just like all right

like we're just gonna come on here and talk basketball like that was really it like I can't really answer this question because it was y'all too at first I mean you came on pretty early on you're like a month yeah it was after like a month maybe so after a month in what were you guys's expectation I mean it's always like

because there was a little bit attracting I mean yeah be honest or should I Be honest well Isaac Isaac has a continuous plan In his head For world domination So like anything that Isaac is going to do It's always going to be like

How am I going to like do this And be the greatest to ever do this And just like make it like top tier So like I know that your expectations Were obviously very very high about like the possibilities of like what we could do I knew for a fact it would work I think once okay so for background

I worked the house of highlights before this and I was a content strategist and video editor and I had gotten into editing shorts on my own channel and then I was a content strategist through the wire that was like one of the companies not one of the companies one of the pages under house of highlights so I worked on through the wire page on creator league

and a bunch of other house of highlight stuff and I had kind of early on in TikTok YouTube shorts taught myself the editing method that you guys see now with all the you know captions zooms all the pictures on screens and all that shit I was very ahead of the curve with the editing and I knew for a fact that if you make a show that's like centered around this and you know kind of like start with the clips and get people to go watch a full show like I knew there's something there that would work for sure and once we added mo and got the right dynamic with the three of us I was like oh this is going to work for sure now then I expected to be like so fast where we have an insane first year

and you took 300k subs after a year and now 530k subs after 100 episodes no I don't think I quite expect to be that fast, but I was pretty confident it would become something. Like, I didn't think it would, in my mind, it was not, nothing's a sure thing, but I was very confident that with our dynamic and my head of the curviness on shorts, that it was going to become something. Yeah. I had a feeling it would do something.

It would become something once we were like, once you started to record the full-length podcast. Yeah. When you asked me, I was, I think I was officially like a PA at House of Highlights through my final year of college. and I didn't really want to do it you had to convince you something like a long ass Bible scripture like yeah we should do this because

I'm like all right fine fuck it will just take a day like two hours of my time every single week cool whatever yeah I almost said no and I was like you don't be fucking dumb you need to come record once a week with very minimal ever put in and I'll handle everything else I was like don't be dumb join the podcast

and eventually he did it yeah so I think my expectations started to turn when we had like 50k I'm like okay this has real potential with the how fast everyone everything was growing yeah and once the long term or the long form podcast started to take a turn around maybe like playoff time i would say yeah i was i was i was very confident that i knew for a fact that i can get a shorts views i knew how to do that like as well as anybody but i wasn't confident for sure that we could turn those shorts people into a long form

audience that's a turn and that's something that i didn't realize we'd have like the chemistry we had have that people like so much as people would like us as people that part like i had never like been you i mean you had a youtube channel for a while that you were established but we were i had a channel that i uploaded sporadically on i wasn't entirely sure like people were gonna like us enough and so once that started moving and people started going to that then i was like okay it's becoming something yeah i didn't even know donovan donovan you could have thought i was a bitch for all you would have been just a complete catastrophe oh me cool uh who is the best center of all time including accolades and all.

Kareem? Yeah. From Chris Hoops, 2010. Paranthage. Paranoetage. Yeah. Wow. Wow.

That's a pool. T.J.W. 34 said, if you teleported a current NBA player back in time to the 1950s, how many points you think you would average. Let's say it's Jordan Clarkson. Wait.

Jordan, in the 50s? Well, NBA wasn't even, I mean, around the 50s? Yeah. There's some 50s. Bob Petto is 50s, right?

I thought it was the 60s I don't know I digress whatever okay back in the 50s let's say in Bob Pettettit's NBA whatever that looked like I don't you remember Jordan Clarkson is averaging

about 15 points a game 15 he's getting Jordan Clarkson he's he averages like 17 already he's getting an insane amount of carry calls they're not they're not gonna let him do the things that like basketball players

can do right now but if you like take the rest out of it smooth smooth 30 like 30 plus okay easy uh

dray 6749 says who are the two most out of place superstars that you could swap right now and both teams and franchises would benefit from it that's crazy okay

two stars you swap teams and everybody get better so who are two melt down teams damn okay obviously think the suns is a good option here ah

two stars that could swap teams so they have to be complimentary for that's stuff who do we want to move katy and booker and we can't call beal a superstar That he is not Yeah

I think Kate It's easier to move Katie The Timberwolves is a good option We have two bigs there We can swap with somebody The Cavs Who is swapping Donovan Mitchell with That's the answer here

Where are we setting Donovan Mitchell Who is a wing Not Kauai Who's another wing that could be swapped If you had Do you think that the heat Would be any different If they had D Mitch and Bam

Instead of Jimmy and Bam right now D Mitch is better Because they would be more dynamic offensively. Yeah. And then you would have a lineup of Garland, Butler, Mobley, and it kind of fits a little bit better. Huh. I like that. I like that because.

Interesting. It would be ugly fit alongside Evan Mobley and Jimmy Butler, but it'll be better. Yeah, but at least you have a league guard in somebody who you know is going to run the team instead of like your turn, my turn. Yeah. And I don't know. I think, I mean, if you give DeMitch, we saw it this last year, if you give DeMitch the keys and you're like, hey, just go ahead and basically, like, be the one. He's giving you 27 and 8 on like every single night. He has the ceiling.

I think him with, with Bam would be crazy. Sure. So, yeah, I'll say, I'll say D. Mitch and Butler. Okay. For Mario Romano 7277, what is each of y'all's favorite album of all time? to pimp a butterfly um there's like three answers but i would say it's really a tie it's to pimp a butterfly and then it's malibu um from anderson pack and those are the two i think i might say uh you can say some newty no i'll say like what you would you say

some young nudie young no no no no um you heard that you knew young nudie before no John Wick I'm gonna put you on I always say love is rage two I thought Oh that's a good one The original one not two Two oh two

Yeah two came out This guy's new This guy's new Yeah Came out fresh in year of college Yeah That took me through some times So what's your max

A deadlift for each of you I have not deadlifted since high school football I haven't deadlifted in so long Same I think if you're a regular guy That's not power lifting Or trying to chase PRs

If you deadlift Like what the fuck are you doing I do not understand why do you deadlift I've tried it before I can I can if we went today

and max I can pull 315 today damn I have no way what do I base it off if I'm from other exercises I don't even know like I don't know

but like a one rep back you give me all the all the pre-workout in the world give me hyped up I I can get there will pull my fucking back having day lift

in a decade exactly okay um it's cold in here you're cold I'm cold as you baby Mo, what's your favorite schistie?

I only have one. That great one that I got from that store, R-E-I. So that's a Nylar. He said, do you guys think DeMar is a good fit on the Kings? No, I think DeMar and Subboats are going to have a nasty negative net rating and they're going to have to pick and choose, bro. I did it at first. I kind of rock with it now.

I think that they need, they just need somebody else who can get buckets like that. And Damar, if he's, if he's going to do anything, he's going to, he's going to go out and get a cool 21, you're right, 22 points. And you can have, they're flawed either way. Like I think like trying to find the one perfect move for the Kings to be this like championship contender. That's not going to happen. So in the meantime, yeah, go get, go get somebody who can just go get a bucket and help out D.R. Foss. Because the bonus isn't, he's not going to be the one that they can go out and do it.

They just got the wrong Bulls guard. And having two non-shooters on your team, Zach would have been able to raise their ceiling is a little bit more and made them a little bit better. Damar either makes them the same or like actually worse. But what's that, but their ultimate ceiling is probably, is like, second round. No.

There's no, there's no way they win a playoff series this year. Their best option is to be like the six seed and not be in the playing. If you added Zach Levina, it would be the same thing. So I think finding, finding the guy who's on a on a discount can still you know get but it's fine it's whatever average mexican says is the 2024 USA team better than the 92 team by far or is it close i don't know

i mean i don't i don't know if they're better yeah i can't say you can't say better yet obviously it's too soon to say that but they are interesting i'm just going to go 92 because it's like the proof is in the pudding you seen it i don't even watch the olympics i haven't really watched much of it at all no comment documentation right now. Documentation, that's crazy. Someone said,

do it clap, do it jiggle. Thank you. Next. David the Heat Fan 22 says, should Pat Riley retire? Pat Riley.

Is Pat Riley washed? He has two more years. He's been doing a whole lot of nothing, bro. The window is closing so fast. He has two more years where if you can't get a star now, where every single year there's going to be at least one all star that doesn't like the situation that he's in to go help out Jimmy. And if you're really not going to give Jimmy the extension,

then we'll see. But we're going to have to reevaluate after the Jimmy Butler saga kind of ends in Miami. Every single year we've been seeing the Miami. We saw every single team get better. Dame is on the Milwaukee bucks now the boss of ourselves got Chris Hopps Prozinius the Cleveland Cavaliers fucking landed Donovan Mitchell you know

like every single team in that conference somehow just continues to elevate and elevate and elevate meanwhile they're just like we're good Britain grind they also did try and Portland was just like no so yeah you gotta you gotta I'm gonna give him a little bit

of a pass for that but at the same time it's just not looking cohesive right now in Miami joker jb3 iw asks are the pelicans in a good or bad position right now and for the next couple of years well as of today they're in a quite strange position because they have one too many ball handlers and they absolutely have to trade one i think like i think they straight up have to you can't have dajante c j it's like they doubled down on their struggles yeah like there are too many cooks in the kitchen and they just got one more cook that's like honestly a good cook but not the best

cook of playing with others i think we just saw that was like his biggest problem in Atlanta didn't quite work with the ball handler of trade young so then a weird position because they got to trade one of the guys I think and it's hard to trade somebody just late in the off season because every other team has made their moves so you have a very limited you know pool of teams that will want a branding room but they also have to signal if they're wanting to do that like that's kind of us saying they had to trade one but they're seemingly standing pat and I think if they stand pat it would be kind of dumb as fuck so I don't know it's a good position because you have the ability to trade a brand in ingram and get more assets but it's a tricky one yeah and the whole brandy ingram's being as strict too because like he wants a contract extension and no one's like by everyone's just like watching yeah and no one really wants to go ahead and give him that invested in him in him fully just yet so he'll probably be a deadline guy I think he'll could trade him midseason though I think they'll try to run it back and it'll be strange again like it has been and they'll try to trade him midseason and I'm probably taken till close to the deadline maybe to be like a January trade like

an OG and an obi because well by then we'll see teams that kind of know that they're knocking on the door contention and need him I have to assume he'll get moved at some point or maybe it'll see jim columb it's just a weird position they're a good business still though because they just have so many options they don't they don't know what they're doing i think they know they're just like indecisive it looks like they have no plan um but like when you have zion as the start that you're building around it puts a lot of things into a shaky position you have no time to waste they've wasted so much time yeah but i think ultimately like i said they're in a good position because they have players to make moves who's their starting center right now or who will

be their sorry they're rookie yeah i guess so me see or did they sign somebody no i thought they i feel they signed a stopgap who they sign i forget i cannot remember i don't remember them signing i brain jr and blinks larry nance is not on that team anymore is what they signs do we know are is it really going to be misi because right now i don't think they have like a real starting center other than him i mean they can throw him into the fire and start him and like cool i guess let him develop but yeah i feel like they signed a stopgap they got tice on the roster god forbid they start daniel tice they got they start daniel tice they got no right now it's it's mecy okay well that's crazy for him in tice don't him into the fire man

may hope he's Derek lively yeah uh what a guy's name is uh a ton of letters sorry man can't read it what advice would you give to somebody who is starting their own basketball podcast or podcast in general have good friends to do it with first and foremost okay half fashion nice i mean that is important that is that was very like serve like you're right you definitely need that baseline level of chemistry and ability to make people want to watch you as friends yeah you need people who are not like you personality wise first and foremost yeah i would say don't chase things like like there's like we have we have certain like tictox here where like we know we know it's going to be fun right so you can be strategic in the things that you do but you don't have to go out and try to manufacture

some viral some viral clip or some some some conversation some argument and like if we don't ever feel like like we're going to have anything substantive to say we're not going to sit here and like rile ourselves up to argue and have this you know just this first take debating clip for five minutes you know like you don't have to have that and so if it's not real and if it's not natural you don't have to force anything not making everything about lebron's legacy you know we're not going to be out here doing the goat debate every day you know you have a certain level of genuineness and like substance that's needed to give yourself some kind of like I mean you you stand out from the pack from what you see on TV and stuff everybody kind of saying the same

thing so only do what you actually care about and I guess from like the actual podcast perspective just pay attention to the podcast you like and try to think about why you like them so if you like us think about what about our show makes you want to watch what about our videos makes you like them is it the editing is it the topics is it so and so and really learn from those and like take bits and pieces from your favorites yeah so like maybe you look at us and be like, oh, the way their shorts are edited, I'm going to use captions like them. I'm going to look at Zach Lowe, and I like how he has multiple guests on per show for different topics. So I'm going to have multiple guests on and like really draw from your inspirations and put your own spin on it.

And just basically anytime you watch content, think about why you think it works and what you can learn from it. Yeah. And work on the little things every single thing that you put out and you'll be fine. Someone, this one's addressed to you, Donovan, from A.Y. 112. He said, Don, with three exclamation points. Damn. As a New York born and fellow 1999 baby, why are you not a Giants fan? You got Knicks and Yankees, where you win the seventh grade when we won our Super Bowl

and back-to-back years, or two and four years? Congrats on your marriage, by the way. This is one, thank you. Why are you false claim in New York is what he's asking? I've never said that I was born in New York than you. Oh, my God. You are? I've never said that.

I was not born in New York. My dad was born in New York. I'm from Houston. I'm from Houston, Texas. I do not rock with the Houston teams when I was coming. coming up the rockets were were popping i do not agree with the way that uh james hardin and darrell mori got down um i don't like i don't like you say like that i mean no the it sounded like there was like illegal activity i know no no i just i didn't like the way that they you know presented

themselves drug trafficking the i the exos were always lame i the texans i wish good things for them i rock with c j strav but no i'm not a i'm not a new york a new york born like that one of One of these comments says get Isaac deported for episode 100. Okay. Nice question. Is Nicky on the back? Okay. Is Luca or Wembe going to get ranked higher than Curry by the time they retire?

So will Luke or Wemby be a top 10 player by the time they retire? I think Wembe has a better chance because he's just younger. And his team, I believe in his organization, way more than the Dallas Mavericks. I agree So you already know how to I'm going to be Can't 1307 says How is your guys's lives changed after 100 episodes

How did it change I've been called a man knower on numerous occasions And I still don't appreciate it Never have never will How are our lives changed I don't relax I don't have a day job anymore So that's nice

I get to just focus on making content which is cool for about a year I was working two jobs essentially so now I have one job and it's this podcast so that's nice yeah there are so many times where like when we were at the same company or whatever and we have to push stuff back and do super late recording like 1 a.m. or whatever it might be or about other times of the day so it's nice just focusing on one thing that you genuinely like and which you like genuinely have fun in yeah SC drip drip says what is the cleanest jersey in NBA history I'm sorry

education reform I think Mark Keith Morris Markief Morris White Lakers bubble jersey This is education reform on top That's the best jersey all time Stamped That's the same energy

As I used in that clip From the Baseman Yard podcast With the Bob Tarts Yeah He's like same bitch sugar He's like what a basic bitch answer He's like fine

The 2001 Spider Man Tire And that's my favorite Potsonix Barry shout to the basement yard facts if you had to put one person back to the NBA in their prime who would it be so one pass player bringing in today's league you know what let's settle let's settle all debates Jordan come on yeah I'm doing the same thing Michael come on

see what this bald ass gamblers really about besides Jordan I'd like to see magic in the modern NBA every time we talk about these type of like TikToks I always get stuck on that because I'm imagining magic just like sprinting with space and don't need no look passes and that'd be really cool i'd be interested to see what he looks like with more of a focus on scoring like all the point guards you today uh give me kevin garnett also i was literally going to say the same thing i want i want kg just like 10 years later let me get wilt let's see wilt today what would he look like Jared allen i'm gonna say prime diond

jordan he's just deandre aton damn zori 8762 says who's y'all's favorite forgotten player John Jenkins Atlanta Hawk legend aka Team USA veteran legend as well John Jenkins nice I've mentioned him plenty of times before I think I think I just mentioned him like a couple weeks ago I love Ben Gordon

and I really Gordon Hammer retired today yeah yeah shout out no shout out take it back yeah my back but yeah but no I love Ben Gordon

I love his game Triscuit says, if you guys fought Prime Shack 3V1, do you think you'd win? If not, do you think of adding the kill and making it a 4V1 to make a difference? Yes. Can I add in a kill in a crowbar? No. No, if it's two on two and each of us can get a knee and we can pull the knees apart, I think we can get there. I'd slap his head.

Prime Shack. So we want to go 300 pound shack because that's just like a mammoth of a being. 2001 300 pound shack. I think we can, I think a knee each. right front knee back knee for each person I think we can get there what we're gonna do to holding his knee is just like a little kid like we hyper extend one of the hammering the fuck out of that's what I'm saying you get in his knee hammer fist back of the head you're cooked it's not gonna go well he can't reach back that's all I'm saying

you go to the back of the knee the lovers in the front mush you look like a character from the boys really into it now I'm not gonna give all my strategy just in case the situation arises you know you see him with thorns huh you sing him at No, I forgot your own culture, never mind. I'm not even going to ask you, iPad kid. If it's not about YouTube, don't ask me. Scalar says L or W take, WMB is going to be better than Embed by the end of next season.

So will we be a top five player as soon as the end of next season? That's a great question. Probably not, but he'll be close. He'll be top 10, I think, for sure. I think we'll have to do with a little bit of Embed getting worse somehow, but I don't envision that happening because yeah why not this is the this is one of the best rosters that he's had sign me up sign me up whoa sign me up okay all right man at hoops and hustle says what are your thoughts on the Milwaukee bucks I'm pretty pro I mean last year I was

as damn I keep dropping my phone on his chair they had a great off season I was as high in the bucks as you could possibly be last year I want I picked them over the Celtics before the season started because I was so high on Lillard and Janus I thought it'd work better than it It took some time. Obviously, a lot of context there with why the Lillard struggled. That might be better this next year. But I still have faith. You know, like, I don't think they're going to be a top one,

maybe not top two team in the East right now because it's pretty stacked now that the Knicks are so good and the Sixers. But I think they're still in that top three race for sure. You said they have a good offseason. I agree. Adding Gary Trent, Torium Prince, and Dillon Wright for like nothing. Yeah. Pretty good.

All very positive role players. And then they got like a great young prospect and AJ Johnson as well. I think he's gonna be a demon not now But in the future he's a valuable asset that you could potentially trade or could be like there towards the you know I think the buck fans hate that pick Yeah, yeah because he's like raw as fuck like super raw like might not ever be anything wrong he's oh no I wouldn't I wouldn't go that far at all because I might not be in common anything the next few years It's not gonna be particularly helpful I think that's like a terrible read by bucks fans if that's what I mean for right now for right now like I can understand the the frustration Which I says is right but I'm out on the bucks I just I I think that outside of Yannis, they are old, they are injury prone.

Yeah, but they have Yonis. There's the other nine people who are potentially in the rotation. There's reason to believe that they're not going to be as good as they were last year. And Dame, who struggled a lot, like, even though that, even though that he had the, like, the stuff where he's not necessarily in shape, there's real stuff aside from that on whether or not he can work with Yonis. For sure. Like, like, structural stuff. And I don't know that if they can't get their one-two game together, I don't think that they're going anywhere.

And I think that they are one playoff run away from blowing this team up or having another completely restructured. They don't have a lot of flexibility. And once again, we're going to be waiting to see if Chris Middleton can last an entire season. We haven't seen that in three years. Yeah, we've been unlucky. We haven't seen healthy Janice in a playoff setting in two years. And that's really what comes down to is, I think,

he's becoming really underrated. He's still the second best player in the league to me. I'm not rushing to put Luca above him because Janus has been injured and we forget that he has the most efficient scoring year of his career and he's still just as good as he ever has been. At the end of the day, they had that player. They have a top two player in the league. Only one of the team in the world.

Maybe two if we put in Luke in that conversation, have a player that is as good as that can carry them that far. I still don't want to see that in the playoff setting. Yeah. Now, Chris Middleton did go ahead and have two ankle. On both ankles? Yeah, that's kind of crazy. That's kind of crazy.

Both ankles and you, that's what I don't care how minor the surgeries are. You can't tell me that somebody's going to get surgery on both ankles and then I'm going to feel good about them going into next season. I'm going to have to see a lot of production from Chris Millington to buy back in on the bucks. I don't see it right now. As of this moment, I'm out. Okay. Jam out says which team improved the most this offseason? The Knicks maybe?

I guess so yeah I think just add yeah adding mckell bridges is is crazy and then still being able to keep your rotational guys are you know what I'm saying r p heart inside but it's it's gonna be good okay so you got a lot better too they're already great but getting rid of giddy just him just not being there immediately makes you best so much better but on top of that you double down got alice caruso got more size and heart inside which just gives you even more versatility than they had before so like i like those two teams thanks so that's all the rock and sue they got better you guys just have reach ever who's a stud so i read that's it what which episode of t3 is y'all's favorite a summer episode i think from last year i don't know summer vibes is

a different a lot less pressure to like dive in through like new relevant news or recent play and whatnot. I just like the summer content this one. So I don't know which ones we, but any of the summer episode. Yeah, I don't have a specific episode. The moment we just had last week talking about the statues, that's probably one of my like top

five things. I just said that. Other posts shifting away from Q&A real quick for another quick part. I made a post, like I said, asking for you guys the top moments of the show in the first hundred episodes. A lot of people said the statue part, which was happening a couple weeks ago. That was an all time T3 moment apparently. Yeah. So listen, I'll go to this post.

So top comment is from Mr. Cat 726, the Walt Chamberlain rant. That's most up likes. Summer video. That is. Here. Yeah. Yeah, in this room. It looked a little different back then, but it was this room.

Yeah, Donovan went on a rant talking about how Walt Chamberlain is fake basketball. I never knew that you hated Wilk Chamberlain so much. It's not even hate though. Like, I just, come on. No. It's not even a little bit. Be serious. It's not, it's not like genuine hate.

I just feel like Wilts name gets thrown around in a lot of conversations that it doesn't need to be and so I feel like I'm trying to restore balance to basketball discourse whenever I do it.

I'm just trying to do my job. Like, that's it. Listen, somebody asked to speak the truth. Will Hoover 1520 says The Pepe Sanchez Lander has never left my brain ever since I heard it. Happy 100th episode.

There are so many comments saying Pepe Sanchez is their favorite moment. Shout out Pepe Sanchez, man. I wonder if you've seen that. you think about it he's a random player that had a career right he's international he played for his national team he's not a nobody but he's not like in social media like that and that video has over a million views on multiple platforms so there might be a good chance that somebody sent that to him it was like oh my god you're mentioned on a viral TikTok if he's even like in the slightest active on instagram which i don't know then i think there's a chance that someone tagged him a little bit like hey pepe sanchez it's literally it i hope he's never seen it same uh next comment is from the kid 2-9-5-4 Mo being an all-time man-knower That was kind of crazy

That was crazy But it also was That was elite ball knowledge I'm just good at identifying people, bro That's it That gets you in the FBI Hey Next comment from user

OW2C bunch of letters He said Donovan defending Hakim Elijah on like a champ At episode 50 Hey you haven't seen it yet You're gonna be happy with this episode Then from we talked to Rusty

Because there was more Hakeem propaganda being pushed It took me a year, but I got him More gospel, more gospel 2,900 Graham said Moe being interrogated About Cream City Oh, and that TikTok I was on a super early stage, right?

No, it was like a couple months ago Yeah, what? What were talking about? That was very recent. You're talking about jerseys And was Cream City and I was like, you were like, I'm a big fan of it I was like, yeah, you like Cream City, huh?

You ever been? Yeah, yeah, okay. Are you kept going? No, I think around that same, go ahead. The number one moment, though, has to be cranium it's crazy

there's lots of comments about that I feel like cranium is crazy has to be the I I was literally in tears

Mo gets the line off that's literally it's in our intro now it is one of the most like wild things Mo has the poster

in his room it's just a staple what we do just comment that I'm surprised people remember somebody said me in 20 questions

getting Ray Allen and three guesses that all just super early people remember that like I forgot that happened Yeah, three guests and 20 questions.

I was like, Ray Allen, you were like, yes. My favorite, my favorite moment that happened semi recently. Actually, yeah, it happened like last month was when we were live streaming for our channel. It was the free agency. We only asked you for an hour because not shit happened. The biggest signing was Andre German or whatever. While we were yapping, we were just talking about like big NBA players, Andre German. And high school was just like, man,

I imagine how many calories can eat he was like you know how crazy it is to be that big and just over see your limit he was like

what's wrong with Big Baby Davis that shit killed me because it was just the craziest straight ever and then he mentioned how he's in jail and some more shit too

yeah weird like yeah I was like listen your maintenance calorie level must be so high when you're seven feet tall you must be able to eat like 3600 calories a day

to not gain weight. I was like, that's so, like, nice. Like, it must be so easy. And then you paused and got quiet and I was like, what's wrong with Big Baby Davis? That's a big dude, man. There's a comment about that.

Not as a live stream, less of you guys watch the live streams, which a problem we need to remedy, but not you guys' fault. The algorithm doesn't push them out quite as much. They're not listed as mainline episodes. You guys probably don't think they're much, but they're basically second episodes every week,

and less did you guys see those. So maybe you guys didn't see that. But yeah, that was during the free agency stream. Yeah. uh not seeing enough love for fringe borderline low level all-star said ferris v2 who did i say that about too like anthony simons fringe low-level borderline all-star yeah that's so funny he said but i also love dominion explaining things like tony parker's game tim hardway's crossover recent very recent and moe not understanding what mewing is despite being a mewer

still don't know what that is it's innate instatial there's blood yeah Booth Hoops says Loves How Donovan Always pulls Jermaine O'Neill Every draft saying he's a bucket Because he's solid Like he really He's just a good basketball player

And I don't like to see those guys go by the wayside Oh Danny Lundano 805 brings up a good one The Rat in Mo's apartment saga Moe's going to war On the internet against rats For like three months Yeah no

It was more than three months It was like seven It was seven Eight months I remember live during an episode I was chilling and then all of a sudden I see like some fast moving going on sometimes I'd be chirping and I'm just like what did I just see this time I wasn't a rat a mouse I call him rat because it's just disgusting to me regardless same shit but a mouse came under the door ran towards me while I was recording feet on the ground and I was tweaking and then a couple months I think a month ago by whatever Nikila's on the podcast and he goes ahead and sends me like a good friend he is sends me like some good exterminators and I'm explaining the whole process to you guys I'm like yo this. This motherfucker didn't do shit, but put poignant's fried chicken all around this house. And I just let it sit in me.

And then none of the bitch ass was like he was trying to catch mo. And it was a top tier moment. Oh, no, the other top of your moment we forgot about? This motherfucker fell asleep on a live stream. Oh, I thought you were talking about time I fell. And I think of the same stream, you fell out of your chair. You were rocking back and you fell down. After falling asleep on stream, you were sitting there on your table just,

asleep while we're doing a tear list you fell asleep on a live stream that's insane I don't even understand how you can do that literally I was catching myself but I have no idea how that happened either and the chat noticed before we did they were spamming it and you're

yeah I'm a lot of good moments of first hundred episodes so many male that's good mode you know what time it is Oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh. Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. That's crazy. Ladies and gentlemen, for the 100th episode. It's a hard-ass hand shit. Give me one, give me one crayon. Rejoice!

Eaters! Wherever you at! Come out through the scenes. Nikiel in the background fucking TikTok time let's do it welcome

to TikTok time for the 100th time 100 crayon ear sessions in a row real quick before we get into the actual TikTok time we were talking about

the famous Pepe Sanchez moment at the end of this last section so the Gil pulled up the Google trends of Pepe Sanchez's name and if you notice it's a whole lot of nothing except for three little spikes there

noticing It's noticing. The first spike is when we posted the episode, which featured the initial Pepe Sanchez rant in August, and the next spike is when the TikTok went viral in September. So I think it's not an exaggeration to say that we shift the market of Pepe Sanchez. Pepe Sanchez should be calling us right now. It's a lot of PR. We don't do this for free.

All right, Pepe, hit our line. Some royalties to be paying. We got you, man. I see that last spike at the very end on the right? like two weeks ago we did a video where we did making NBA lineups with the most random players possible and Donovan picked Pepe Sanchez

I can only assume that that spike is the return of Pepe Sanchez on our channel Pepe Sanchez we are keeping your legacy alive TikTok by TikTok that or might be the Olympic basketball because he played on the team so maybe recently? No no no no but you know he

famously played for his country so maybe that costume searches no it's us yeah it's Adam's but hey man 100 episodes of TikTok time That's great That it just hit me right now

I was thinking Tick time might get banned I feel like we should rename this like Crane Eater Time Like TikTok might be out of this soon And like we're bigger on shorts anyway I don't really know why we call it TikTok time I guess like the

It just has a nice ring to it Yeah That's it We like a little bit Crayon Eater time might have a good ring to it Notice see We'll soft watch that We'll workshop it

How was think of a new name For this section of the pod Because if TikTok's the band And so is TikTok time I just know it's time for crown eaters to rejoice, bro. This is our fucking time. It is. So the first thing we're going to do, we are going to do rating NBA murals.

I believe you had some pictures to show us. Yes, sir. So a couple of weeks ago, we went ahead and rated what? NBA statues. Pretty funny, funny thing that we did. The all-time TD3 moments. But this time around, we're going to rate NBA murals on a scale of 1 to 10. Okay.

All right. And these are murals, just like a car. random cities across random cities and teams and players okay very familiar i've seen some crazy ones in person so i'm excited to see what you pulled up exactly all right so first mural we got devon booker oh that's tough this is awesome this is hard wow a day of the dead devon booker low sun this is 10 wow 10 i'm not going to like 10 absolutely if i can go higher than 10 i would the or on this is immaculate i exactly some bullshit yeah this is the opposite this is really cool This might be the greatest mural I've ever seen.

Wow, really. Like NBA mural, this might be number one. It's creative. Normally they're not that creative, I'll say the least. Wow. This is a hot start, bro. I ain't know a lie. The thing is, I know for a fact, you're going to bring some bullshit.

So I'm glad we're starting on a high note to set the standard for what he should be. Good job. Good job. Shout out to this artist right here, man. All right. Next up, we got Kawhi Leonard back in his Raptor days. Another hard one. Also hard.

I wish you could see his face. But this is a cool picture, though. This is another 10. Back-to-back bangers? Yeah. I thought these would be ass. They got the Raptor logo in the championship trophy. Yeah, that is an immaculate touch, bro.

Photorealistic dunk? 10, I love it out of 10. 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. Shout out of my Canadians. Shout out the Canadians. I don't hate you.

I just, you know, whatever. Sometimes the youths do good stuff. Back-to-back tens. Let's see if you could make this a three-pee. Next up to my youths. We got Jason Tatum. Oh, my God. He kind of looks like the Hulk.

He kind of looks Dominican. I don't know. I don't really like this. It looks like he's squeezing out the meanest fart. He's trying. He's trying. He's not having fun. It's a shart.

It's not going well. I'll tell you that. This is a struggle for him. It's not a clean break. Do you not think it makes him look at beastly? Like you said, a Hulk-like? Beastly. I think it makes him look like the game.

Okay. Relax. Okay. No, I say it's still like I get what they're trying to do with this picture, so I'm not going to knock it too much. I'm going to give it an 8 out of 10, but it could be a little bit better. I'm not going any higher than 5. It doesn't look like Jason Tatum. He got some neck muscles going on.

Yeah, he's very brolic in this. Like, I get it. I mean, if you told me this was like Monstar or Jason Tatum from the movie, then I believe you. But if this is just Jason Tatum as Jason Tatum, five out of 10. Okay. It's clearly exaggerated. That has to be what they're going for. I'm going to give it an 8 out of 10 for what they're trying to do.

Okay, it's probably supposed to be a halted him. Yeah. Okay. Your attempt is seen. I see you. I hear you. I understand you. But he missed.

Tragic. Okay. Five out of ten? Yeah. Fair. Next up, we got Larry Bird. There's a little peep. This is a little zan with a terrible woman.

They went back, tatted him up. Why would you do this? Wow. Is he the sons of anarchy? He? Yeah. What a comparison. I've never seen sons of anarchy. I don't get that reference. Now you have. He's one of the top biker gangs for sure. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

Why? Why? This guy looks like he was in prison and he sided with the Mexicans. It's kind of tough. I don't like the whole. It's kind of tough. No, no. The whole thing is creepy as hell. Not going to lie. That ruins it for me. The tattoos are cool. Why is he like this? I'm kind of moved. I see dead people. Come on. Come on, Larry.

This is not you. This is not you, Larry. Yeah, if you've never been to the trenches of Indiana, man, you don't understand. What the fuck are the trenches of Indiana? I went to Indiana for the weekend.

I saw cows. I saw grass. He saw tumble weed. I saw tumble weed. It was in the Freddy Gibbs like that. Is he from Indiana? Yeah. Oh my God.

He's from Gary. Gary, Indiana. Nice. That's disgusting. I'll give this a seven. This is tough. What do you go, Donovan? Four.

Four. Shout out Larry, man. You know, I'm each other. I think this is a six. Solid six, bro. All right. What's the next? Next up, we got Kobe Bryant.

This is not Kobe. This is just not him. This is you. Hit me. We want to do some at. He's like Kiki. You love me. So sassy.

Why his arms are string being? He looks like he was made. elastic no his mouth is so long we can't why is he gritting like that I don't know I'm happy about I know exactly where this is that you can't have Kobe looking like this in his own city oh yeah this is down street from my apartment this is right now oh my gosh this is awful is it up like this up right now oh my god zero out of 10 this guy looks like a sneaky Dominican not Kobe Bryant is that sneaky Dominican he looks like he has some shit up his He looks like he's going to try to...

The reins of the Dominicans And the sneaky Dominican. They look so much. Like he's been to sneak attack, take on your ass. He's got some shit up his sleeves that only he knows about. He's got a plan. Oh, shit. I'm giving it a three.

Zero. Fresh zero. Fuck it. First one of the day. Fresh off the presses. Okay. What's next? We got LeBron when he first came to Ellen.

that's cool I mean it's a little basic but I like it serves a purpose it's not bad design is decent seven out of ten it's setting up

the expectation for him when it comes there I like it it sets the tone LeBron we only accept a winner seriously you better go ahead and do your thing

and he did his thing listen it's not super creative but it's far better than the last Lakers one we just saw so I'm giving it a 7 out of 10 for competency okay

7 out of 10 is cool I like that I like how you brought in the form as well you brought in the history of the Lakers yeah obviously the iconic

Kobe picture this this cool seven out of ten yeah need a little bit more detail on the lines but that's that's why we're docking you three points yeah seven out of ten school i could dig it i see division what's next who next up we got jimmy butler is this is this is this is covid inspired inspiring you to go ahead and put on your mask this is around that time yeah if i'm putting a mask on it looks like that you see look tyler here on the corner has a mask off too godin has him has a mask on okay okay title hero he put his mask down just put on everybody they got him looking like the creature from a quiet

place really does look like that that is that is Jimmy Butler listen for the times gotta give it an extra point I guess it's scary looking but you know what I don't want to see this on a mural I don't I don't want to see this obviously I know we're all

we was all locked up I don't want to see that take the mask off I'm leaving this is seven out of ten being escape from life don't remember me of my uncomfortable mask what makes it 10 times worse for me is like looking at his nails and his fingers like his hands are they so bro look at those hands he gets slap box bro he looks like if he slap slaps you you're getting a spinner on your face no you're flying through the wall you're fucking decapitated yeah exactly I mean

so listen it's scary it is cool but it stylized it's supposed to look freaky I go eight I go yeah another eight for you know it's supposed to be this warped look I respect But he looks so old though Look at all the wrinkles on his forehead Did you see how he was struggling in the bubble? Yeah you're right He was tired

No cut I respect the artistic vision I'll go eight Okay It's cool Next up We got Steph Curry Is he wearing a bonnet

No this is an Afro out This is not like This looks like a young Sean Livingston Wow Listen just a light skin with afro And a dream Last skin afro You know that ludicrous afro

From Too Fast Too Furious yeah it's cool i feel like this belongs like in like an NBA street game or something like that yeah yeah if this is a comeback this would have to be in some form some form in a way like involved with the game but nobody's asking the question at hand why does he have such a big afro when is step kerry ever had an afro like this never he's never had this haircut in his life no will he step i'm over here fine for my life right now i thought this is hard i guess like it's cool it's not terrible

This means some of the people of Oakland. What the fuck doesn't mean to them? I mean, it's him in E40. Like, you know what I'm saying? Heroes of Oakland. It's a culture. Nice. Okay.

Hey, shout out E40, man. Shout out E40. If you're still here, comment, shout out of E40. Ooh. So is this a four or five? Or? Just eat my oatmeal. Okay.

So what you guys rate this? I'm still going for it. It's not good, though. Sure. Four. Okay. Next up. We got Mike.

Michael Jordan. He looks tired. He looks old. He looks 70. He's been putting up buckets for a minute, dude. He's been seeing those free throws for five decades. Yeah. But this is art though.

It's cool. It is cool. I like how, and listen, I can't draw for anything. So just being able to put one picture on two walls, that's very hard. Right? I can't do that. You respect the stroke game? I do.

I love the illusion of the back. See, he got me. You got me chicken. Whoa. I was just trying to agree. That's what he does That's what I mean That's cool

It's a solid seven A lot of sevens to go around today I'll go eight I like eight too Let's give this an eight It looks like he's actually shooting At that basket Exactly it's an illusion

Is it a great one? Not really But it's a cool one It's an illusion nevertheless Yeah Next up Ooh What is this?

Is this you? Did you put an old picture of you Through a mural AI filter? This was not on the plans. Can we see the inspiration behind this picture? Yeah, go ahead. That's fine.

Wow. So capture that in your head and just keep it in your head, all right? This was the same day. Listen, you got it on, though. You got it on. I see the cargo shorts. I see the Nike elite socks. Two staples for which you had to have to be that guy on the playground.

You see the Nike hat? I said Nike hat. It was just a random like $3. Looking down. He thought he was that guy. Wow. He thought he was that guy. Those cargo shirts are long though. Wow. Can find anything my size bro. So you have laces and two different colors. Cool kid. Cool kid. Drip long as cargo shots. So, uh, shorts. They look like they're made out of like fleece. What is that little strange looking material? He's looking down. Yeah, the athletic wear hoodie. Let's talk about the athletic wear hoodie. Not caught in athletic wear. Yeah. Rolled up to your sleeves. Yeah. To show the. The biceps. Let me show the forearms, you know, with the power, the power up thingy, the power band naturally. You have a fresh lineup. Adding athleticism. No, that was no fresh lineup. Sorry, I know. It's the opposite. I said it for a reason. You see the widow's peek. Yeah. I see it harshly. It's not even peeking. But yeah. That little screaming. Yeah. I'm giving that a 10 out of 10.

10 out of 10. This is all right. The aura and confidence that I thought I had back then, peak. It deserves a 10 out of 10 for sure. That's great. okay what a segment that ended up yep oh well we got one more actually oh what we got Victor Wembenyama in tacos first morals that he got when he got drafted last year wow yes what did he this was an ad for one of the places what it was blocked out here was blacked out the rest of the name yeah the rest of the name for the place no free promo do you do that no I didn't do that that's crazy I didn't go I didn't go the links to do that Those man cares.

This is, hmm, what are my thoughts on this? One, I don't believe he's ever been that happy to see his taco. That he looks ecstatic. I don't believe he's ever felt to be it. You don't think his mouth's ever been that wide open for a taco? Okay. When you eat a taco, quick question. Do you turn the taco or do you turn your head?

Do I turn your head? Yeah. Do you turn the taco or do you turn your head? You can turn the taco? Oh, I don't need crunchy tacos. I don't know. That's, no, but even if you have a regular, like, when you fold it, are you like, doing this or are you

I'm not turning shit I kind of like close it and like finish it and like so you're a man in control there's no turning involved so you make tequitos sort of

I guess I close a loop making a little tiny burrito there's a lot of food in San Antonio that I know Victor has probably been very happy to eat

right the churros obviously the tortas all that he's probably he's loving San Antonio I can picture this

once you have a taco like this your life is changed I don't what they're cooking up in French you get yourself a San Antonio taco is different I think this is a 10 bag it this is a great ad I'm gonna not so overrated I guess overrated they are baguettes are who is this guy no I'm just I'm just talking okay this man hey France yeah he's got a Gilbert

arenas going on over here 10 all right that's the end of the murals next thing we're gonna do I'm gonna show you guys some NBA jerseys and you guys can tell me which one looks better and it's going to going to be another version of a t3 staple old versus new let's go let's do it we've done this in many variations this time you're going to see jerseys from the same organization just you know a throwback version and then a modern day jersey to compare it to so first off old versus new which one is better new orleans edition which one are you taking crescent city hard easily not easily but it's hard blue and yellow is discussing together what yeah wow well umsy tight

Wow, well, Wobsey. This man has never seen a powder blue Chargers jersey. And I never want to. What? Robbing yourself a greatness. I'm good. I'm good. See, your sleep, first of all, the powdered blue Chargersie is arguably the greatest football

jersey of all time. That's one. That's great. To basketball. I'm taking the throwback New Orleans one. I like the Crescent City. It's not a bad idea. But this combo is very nice.

I think for Crescent City, the only thing that makes it feel like New Orleans is the The is the font of the one. I like everything else on the other jersey though. Yeah, give me the hornet. Give me the yellow one is you just apply some like modern fits to this jersey make it not baggy and like the text a little bit smaller. This is a great jersey. This is a great. This is a great. This is a great. This is a great. This is a great. I don't go with this one. You don't respect. You don't. Okay. Okay. Yes. You got it right. You're right. You got it. We're going with the yellow. Yep. Yellow. Yellow. Yeah. Got to go. You don't. All right, next one The Grizzlies Vancouver versus New Memphis Powder Blue I know we just praised The Chargers Powder Blue

We did That doesn't apply to this one Vancouver Vancouver The Vancouver one That one wins That one wins That is a top

What three jersey Maybe the best jersey The Grizzlies have ever had In their franchise history. No, the fuck it is not. Over the one with a bear on it? No, this one, I said top three.

He said maybe the best. That's what I'm saying. Maybe the bear can be one. Yeah, I hear you. I see you. I feel you even. You don't feel me, though. Because I know you're going with the new one.

I couldn't agree less. The Memphis one is so much better to me. This new one is so clean. The collar pattern, dope. The small letters above grizzly and yellow, dope. The powder blue, dope. I don't even see how it's a competition. I guess I'm the Tyberg.

I like Vancouver a little bit more. Yeah. I like Vancouver more. There's nothing. Canada stand up. Nothing. Were you at Canadian? Key Glock, stand up.

Yeah, I'm leaning old for sure. There we go. Nostalgia. Shout out Mike Bibby. What I know? CD3 draft legend, because I remember one time we did a number two picks draft and one of you picked Mike Bibby over Bill Russell. I got Bill Russell and Jerry West back to back because you picked Mike Bibby number two. It's so funny, right. I didn't do my research. And that's when we had good

better draft videos and nobody did research. Hey, man. I'm prepared now. I'm on PEDs. Fuck that. The Phoenix Suns. I like the new. I'm not going to lie. The Fawn and the old one is hard. If they can apply that to a new jersey, I see the vision there. I'm with you. I really like these sun's jerseys. Yeah. I would. I like the new rebrand. I hate that the sun is white. It makes it look so lifeless to me. What color is it supposed to be? be orange or something like those in the throwback i don't know no i like it it was bland when it's all those white on there i like it i'm i'm with you if you could take if you can take the font of the old one and put it on it on a new style jersey then then we're actually like

cooking best of both worlds but the new sun's rebrand is actually really really good and i'm taking it i don't like the font either on the numbers in the new one it's so like modern angular i'm not i don't like it i'm taking a new one and it's not close it's what five games in the seven game series. Oh, unbelievable. Nobody respects the legends.

Sorry, Walt. All right, next one. The Lakers, blue or yellow? Come on. The yellow one, this is not only

one of the best jerseys that the Lakers have. It's one of the best jerseys that the league has ever seen. It's one of the most iconic ones. It's the yellow one.

I hear you. Really? I thought you could say blue. I'm saying blue. It's the yellow one. The yellow ones, I can't have much of an argument for the yellow one,

against the yellow one but the blue is just so crisp and just feels like loyalty and it's like i've never seen a jersey like that before no i like the blue one too it's incomparable they brought back a few years ago with a modern looking jersey hard as fuck the way the the light blue drop shadow on the numbers yeah hard the light blue on the collar hard like this the font better like i'm going blue pretty easily i'm going yellow and this isn't like this isn't the best version of yellow this isn't the 80s yellow you know like i think just going yellow because just how historic it is I'm going yellow. Deep state, Hollywood scum.

Nostalgia. What? He said nostalgia. Neither of those are true. I'm going to blue though. Yeah, blue for sure. Wack. You just changed your mind?

No, I'm going to blue. I've been blue this whole time. Facts. Lies. Next step. Ooh. The Supersonics or the Thunder? These are both not like the greatest.

Not the greatest, but it does prove to me one thing Being older doesn't just make you better automatically Because this Thunder 1 is much better to me This Sonic's jersey The color scheme, great, bring it back eventually But not like this, redesign it entirely, please. I agree. Also, I'm kind of in the minority

Because actually, I don't hate the Thunder's jerseys. I don't think they're that bad And I know a lot of people want them to move away from it. Keep it how it is. I'm going with the new ones. Listen, I don't love it. the Thunder jersey, but compared to the Sonic jersey, I think they're incredible. Keep the blue one forever

if it means not going back to something like that. The Sonics had so much potential, but instead they just decided to put a big ass arch and have Sonics running all over. Yeah, it's not good. Fonts bad. The design is bad. The arch is bad. So blocky. No redeeming factors besides the color scheme. Well, they'll have a chance in two

years to make it up. Fax. I'm LeBron buys that expansion team. He's buying the Vegas one. He's parted. One by both. Thunder it is. Next up. Ooh, the Philadelphia 76ers. Which alternate are you missing with? These are both interesting.

See, the red one. That's rare. 2006, 2007 throwback. It is rare. If it was fully red, then I'd be like, okay, the blue patches on the side, throw it off for me a little bit. So I'm going new. I don't even like the new ones, but I'm going with them. Because the red one feels like, okay, we're just trying to, we're just trying to get a little bit different than the black ones.

We're trying to be just a little spicy You know just a little different Yeah And you fell on your face So I'm going with this navy blue city jersey The old one looks like a jersey You get out of like a cereal box It's a six-slags jersey

Yeah it doesn't look real It looks like it's like a parody Of a basketball team After you make your like adjustments If you're like making a team On a video game And you just want to make a couple adjustments To your jersey

Just throw some blue panels on the side That's what this is Some random white lines Yeah Philadelphia 69ers That's what this jersey is right here. If there is a basketball team from Philadelphia in a movie where they can't use actual teams, this is the jersey. Yep, exactly.

This is a Calvin Cambridge type jersey. Sorry, Calvin. We're going to sit here, brotherly love. Next one. The Pacers. Not going to lie, the old is actually kind of hard. Yeah. Not kind of hard.

Very hard. I don't want to give Indiana credit. Super hard, but they did some over here. Extremely hard. Very hard. I think I already said very hard. The hard is. Dependously hard.

There you go. Yeah, the old one, oh, one, I like the Indiana one. It's very cool. But the old one has a lot more personality to it. It incorporates a lot of like, you know,

the race car stuff from Indiana. I'm taking, I'm taking Reggie Miller. I'm taking the old colors. The bright blue was simply better than the navy blue. That makes a big difference for me. Both are pretty solid jersey designs, but I like the brighter version.

Yeah, I agree. Also, Tyrese has lost a lot, a lot of oil points. over the last couple months I'm taking taking Reggie in this neither here nor there I hate the number 31 though why bad number what makes it bad ugly ugly ugly no or zero is better I mean you're wrong is there all better than 31 for sure fuck yeah 30s random 37 might be that new segment which numbers better we're going to get into the trenches running out of ideas

which number's better that's the end of that next thing we're going to do we're going to do a 2017 NBA redraft we're going to draft the top 10 again and what we're going to do it is we're going to take turns

where we're going to go I guess clockwise around the room I'll be the first pick Donovan second pick you third pick me fourth and we'll go around taking turns so hopefully one of you guys don't sell

the redraft okay let's bring up the let's go rosters or 2017 Let's write it up. Let's roll. So, yeah, you guys know, 2017 draft is a very strong draft. We're a draft 1 through 10.

And yeah, you guys have seen redraft videos before. You know how it works. So, with the first pick in the 2017 NBA redraft, give me Jason Tatum, sadly. Okay, okay. It's not actually sad. I don't know why I said that. I mean, you know why I said.

You know why I said. And we will have the rest of the summer to talk about it. But with the number two pick, give me Donovan Mitchell. Okay. the top two are pretty easy after that we don't this is where it gets dicey yeah for sure i'm leaning with the player who man this is tough i'm leaning with the player who has damn bro these allergies are kicking my ass right now but i'm leading with the player i'm gonna lock in who dude i'm gonna cry right now for some reason give me dearon fox give me deare oh my

i knew somebody would sell the redraft this is not selling right this is not selling to me right back to me, where I can snake it. That's how I view Deer & Fox, brother. You view Deer & Fox over Bam out of bio? Come on. You can say either Bamar Baer or Lara Marker, but I chose Deer Fox out of the two of them. Give me Bam out of bio at four.

I'm sorry, Ben, you've been robbed. Ben, you should have been the top three picked. You missed out on a little bit of extra money because Mo wanted to play around. Give me. You guys don't respect Deer and Fox. See, here's the interesting choice right here, but you know what?

Because of how he's bloomed as of late, give me Larry marketing in that phone. Okay. I don't think it's interesting at all. I think it has to be five. Yeah. Okay. This is where we are just like, okay, like, what's next?

The stars are out of the way. Actually, one more really great player. Who are you going to next? Um, one more really good player. There's not that many other ways to go in this draft. So I think me personally, it's probably going to be O.G. Oh, another cell in the draft, in my opinion.

No, it's going to be O.G. At seven, are you taking them? I'm going to the guy who I think she goes six. Jared Allen. That's not a sell. You can big OG over him. I get it. The same level of players, for sure.

I think Jared Allen's an all-star level player. He wasn't an all-star. Congratulations. The All-Star was in Cleveland that year to make-a-wish All-Star. Oh, my God. But OG's an ultra-level player, too. Okay, you're cooking with that. You're right?

Make a wish. You're right for sure? Yeah, exactly. Who's probably saying, Jared Allen is way better than O-J? No one's saying that. Get away. Okay, we're going to rate.

Number eight. Now give, I want an Olympian. Give me Derek White. Okay, fair enough. Last two spots are pretty tough. There's just like, I think three players you can choose between. Okay. Where are you going number nine?

Okay. Give me an NBA champion, Kyle Kuzman. Let's go. That's where I would have went to. I respect it. Cal Kuzman. I love it, man. Ooh, last spot.

It's up to me. me I can go Hardenstein or I can go Malik Monk I will go Malik Monk Give me Isaiah Hardinstein Give me the guy who's got paid The guy who's going to win a championship next year With Oklahoma City Thunder

Give me I-Hart Should have picked the Kentucky Guard man Oh my gosh No Josh Hart love In a consideration Would rather have him or I-Hart Josh Hart for sure I think Josh Hart

Yeah without a doubt Josh Hart for sure So the thing is I did forget about Josh Hart So let's keep that in mind Let's let it be known I did forget about him But We're gonna go now

No and now Would you take heart or hard Probably So for the audio listeners We got Tatum at one D Mitch at two Deering Fox at three Bam at four

Larry Markner at 5 OJat and Obie 6 Jared Allen 7 Derek White 8 Coos at number 9 and 10 Isaiah Hardenstein. Okay. Imposter among us.

Imposter. Okay. That's not a bad list. It's not bad at all. I'm not mad at it. It's not bad at all. The next thing we're going to do, no, we're in person.

This game might hit a little bit harder in person. I don't think we've ever done it in person. We're going to play the NBA imposter game. Okay. See who's a good liar face-to-face. I think we did it in person. I think we did it at the combine. Oh, did in Chicago?

I think so. I can't remember. Because of how it works is. Nickills in text three of us All three of us One person will get a text And you're the imposter

Two people will get a text With a text with the name of an NBA player We have to take turns Saying traits about this player Until two of us can guess Who the imposter is among us Okay Okay

Then the text are all out We're also It's a fun game We're going to look each other in the eyes And see who the liar is I'm not looking at another man in the eyes Wow We grab my crayon

Get where you lock in I'll give my crown Ready for war Two of us know the NBA player One of us doesn't Let's see who is the Let's see who is the NBA imposter I'll go first

Donvin second You third And you keep it vague Don't make you too obvious Pesky Black Nice Nice that's like 80% of the league

Wing Oh I don't know I was thinking there was a snake I said pesky the first time semi-athletic I got you decent shooter okay

okay a decent semi you can do some things something's sort of well not great not the best you can do his job facial hair facial hair

okay longish hair no semi long hair got you semi-contributor what does that mean you got a note you got to know you got to know somewhat helpful semi-contributor

okay he'd be helping people but a little bit exactly not a lot okay um annoying are we throwing a flag on the play you said pesky is that those are different words is that the same as annoying i'll let it rock but i can't say that i'm not noticing those are two different words they are different words but only be not by definition semi different words semi different words okay um you know what semi young yeah um good

potential. Good potential. Yes. I'm trying to get away from the semi. Okay. I want to be more specific. Just potential, really.

Good potential. Yeah. Noticing. Yeah. Noticing. Okay. I'm no longer clear who the imposter is. You're no longer clear?

I'm no longer clear. Both of you motherfuckers are on watch. Okay. Um. Western Conference That was a shot of the dark What you mean? That fucking side eye

I'm gonna zoom in on that Side eye He said Western Conference Keep on going You've dropped your phone a million times today Famous beef Just let it go there

He's a famous beef Semi famous beef Semi famous beef Semi famous beef is kind of known Semi tough Okay Meme Meme

Meme I fucking guess Yeah It's a meme Okay How do we weed this guy out? How do we decide between which one of you use the imposter? Like crayon.

Semi-relevant team. Semi-relevant team. You guys got one more guess left. Then I'm throwing my guess out there. One more run through. Let's see. How do I want to set this guy up? How are you guys to prove yourselves?

I don't trust you. I don't know. I don't know. You're just a liar. You're devious. You are. You really are. I'm mistaken.

I know. I know. I know. My bad. My bad. My bad. My bad. Send my handles.

Send my handles. Oh, man. You're confusing me. What are these fucking guesses? You're selling. Right-handed. Okay. So Donovan is saying some strange shit, but Mo is saying the vaguest things in the world.

I'm going to go Mo's the imposter. I'm going to Moose the imposter as well. Wrong. He's the imposter. Oh, my gosh. Damn it. You suck at this game. No, I don't suck.

You suck at this game. Where is your goddamn discernment? Who is the name? Who was it? Dylan Brooks. Yes, Dylan Brooks. I was like, I said, meme. Do you not see him doing this dance?

What do you mean? I was in my bag. I said Western Conference I'm trying to throw y'all off the game I won basically you lost you sold the team you did the crayons you're down damn I the reason I was talking to Mo so long was because I was trying to figure out the word to say I had nothing I had no clues where we were going where is your discernment I'm so glad you're acting like the imposter I don't know I should have knows you said good potential I was like good potential what the hell did that mean I was like maybe we have different definitions of potential Damn, let me grab my, can you get my phone? It's a little floor there. Oh, God damn it. Damn, man. I'm really good at this game.

We lost. Yeah, because you're actually in the imposter every time. What are we going to do next, man? That was a good one. Next thing we're going to do. I'm going to make, I'm going to name some NBA players, and I want you guys to tell me what their greatest influence on the NBA is, on culture, on the world, whatever may be, what this person's biggest influence is.

All right. You know, how they impacted things. I'm so glad. we're doing this I hate I hate the imposter game when I'm the imposter it's so hard when it's NBA players it's tough damn you won it's so rare somebody actually wins yeah for all your listeners he did the iconic carlainty town salute so what is his NBA player's biggest influence to the game first off LeBron James go ahead I mean where can I start man first name first time around his name is LeBron you've never

seen a LeBron in your entire life, bro. All right. When I get a cat, fun fact, I'm naming him LeBron. I swear to God. All right. Player empowerment is obviously the first part. He's not the first one that we've seen, but he really popularized it because of what he did, put it on ESPN and all those other stuff, having a fundraiser behind it, too.

This dude has his own school. Can you believe that? He made it cool to be a good father, to be a philanthropist. Exactly, bro. To be a good passer. Exactly, bro. To have a name with Leh. To not read.

To not read. To be the king. The king, bro. The picture was promised. The one and only. Azora high. Ramon, you're a great man. My glory is boogie.

I hope you know this. Player and power for sure, though. I think it's like the thing that comes off top of the head for sure. Yeah, and I think in every, now nowadays, every wing has to be a point forward because they don't want the next LeBron. They're making Jason Tatum throw hella passes. It's probably that on the game. Yeah, like, even if you're not like Jason Tadam type good, can you be Aaron

Gordon type good, who has shades of LeBron? this game can you be jalen johnson type dude who has shades of lebron in his game just a big strong dude who can pass and just not be like useless on the perimeter you sound disgusted any thoughts you look disgusted i just you're just saying four isn't just saying yeah they have shades of lebron that's true they're being strong all right he is the recipe for he may be big and strong cool before him nobody want to be big and strong exactly you're just mad he brought back alpha males Who's next? Steph Curry.

Oh, yeah, your turn. I have my turn. Right, so Steph Curry changed the game, right? Everybody thinks that pulling from 28 feet is a decent shot if you're open. That's because this lights game man came in and did it better than anybody has ever seen it. He's changed the game. We look at basketball. He's changed the shots people take, the shots people think that they can take.

He's literally, yon, warped the floor and changed how, kids around the world play basketball from the day that they pick up a ball some might say he's ruined youth development skills because everybody wants to pull from 30 it's not listen it is not my fault that kids are stupid and that adults are stupid to tell them yeah you can also be step curry hey thank god lamella ball ended up being really good because this guy could have ruined his development lamella ball is playing like an idiot when he was 12 i'm not saying whether his influence was good or bad i'm just saying he had influence yeah he did that no obviously a step revolutionized the game who's next

James Harden again someone else who also revolutionized the game because of the way he gets buckets the side the step back three and also he brought back quiet quitting which is pretty cool that's player empowerment

to that is you guys you're already fuck the bosses do what you want nobody can stop here you have all leverage your contract is guaranteed do what you please he also quite he also Change the rules of the NBA when it comes to fouling. He had players guarding him with their hands behind their back. Guarding him from the side.

Yeah. His influence is so great that now NBA fans pretend fouls never existed before him. Now any player after him that draws a lot of fouls automatically a merchant and gets hated on from no reason, his influence. Yeah, exactly. Without him, I don't think we'd see Joe L&B doing what he's doing today. He poisoned the mind of NBA haters everywhere. For that, you'll be remembered forever. Shout out to James Hardin, man.

one of the greats he made dumb people dumber and i'll never forgive him michael jordan i mean come on they called him black jesus oh my god that's crazy glaze that's the craziest bro i think one of his biggest influences is he raised the most disgusting generation of glazers ever oh repetitive i thought you said competitive that's funny yeah so i mean obviously you know he made the NBA have its first uh so i can't talk so obviously you know one of the first big mass media superstars and sports made everyone to be like mike all that stuff but on the court he's really the first perimeter player people really built around that wasn't a big in any way you know magic was six nine bird six nine all the bigs before him he really made it clear that you can build around a guard and

win a championship people were drafting big men first overall but simply because they're big until jordan came around and all of a sudden you need a star wing to win who's number one overall pick in his draft was it he yeah yeah exactly which is fine but you know he wasn't considered because he wasn't a big yeah exactly he changed the entire dynamic of the NBA yeah just completely changed the way teams view what your best player your team has to look like yeah exactly and also shoes are hard to sell too he also conquered 11s are timeless yeah Shout of Chicago ones Shout out to 23

The real one Yeah LeBron Alright next up Alan Iverson Listen we talked about it earlier When we were talking about The most or in the NBA history This man won

Again David Stern Had to go out of his way And change the rules And tell everybody You need to start wearing collars Because you Not everybody can dress like Alan Ivers Racism let's say it

It's just too much But His from the crossover and the way that people literally carry the ball and dribble the ball today, that's Alan Iverson. He made the headband cool. He made the shooting sleeve cool. He made the headband cornrow combination cool.

He made tattoos cool. He made a lot of things cool. Baggy clothes. Alan Iverson was rocking more fabric than anybody. And he was 6'1 wearing more fabric than guys seven foot tall. He was doing it all. I think he made being cool, cool. I'm not going to lie.

I'm not even joking, I don't think. No, I don't think he's joking. desirable to be coolest shit in the NBA. I've never seen this much of glazing between two people in my life. I can do more. Wait till the year. Yo, get up here. Oh, Lord. Okay. Oh, Lord. Next up. Kobe Bryant. Listen, do you want to win? I would like to. Do you want to be great? A little bit. The mentality. That's what he made popular. You need to understand. Sometimes it's not all about the work that you put in. You need to have a certain mindset when you wake up. I don't care if you're a basketball player. I don't care if you're a teacher. I don't care if you're a firefighter. You need to

show up every day and you need to understand. You need, you know what? I need to say this next time to the postman whenever he brings my packages late because he doesn't have the same mentality. He doesn't have the mama mentality. Yeah. Yeah. The little Amazon guy comes up to the door. Are you a different animal and the same beast? You need, you close the door. You need to look at. He's like, what the fuck it? He's clocking in, bro. no his biggest influence is being competitive like that's a simplistic way to say it but it really is trying so hard

that nobody else can compete with you you need to look in the mirror at the end of the day and say am I a bad person that's what you need sometimes the answer will be yes but people will still lionize you because it's so fucking cool it doesn't matter it's gonna be awesome to just like it's okay to try he's the definition of maxing out your potential

doing everything you humanly can to make yourself the best possible be mean to your teammates y'all tell smush parker he's a bitch tell him he's terrible but only if smush parker is not working if you see smush trying then it's okay and only if you're as good as

kebby bright if you're also a smush parker don't be mean at that point you're just a draymond green bro all right next up Paul george once again you have the floor I mean what can I say having being he's not the first six nine player at his size to go ahead and dribble and stuff like that

but he's the first six nine player to have that much aura while also being brought up in the social media age that's why he's so different that's why he's hilarious specifics yeah it is and that's a true

that's why he didn't bring up aura he brought aura in the social media age yeah exactly he bought post 2010 or yes bro post 2010 sounds like a college class post 2010 or page 70 page 70

that's breaking shit was crazy I know But yeah Nah his versatility And with the way he made it cool It's his biggest instance No his biggest simple It's clearly being an NBA player

With the podcast You know how many of them came after him Nah So many of his podcast came late So many came after him He didn't start it But he influenced a lot of other guys To fire up that fucking mic

Really? Yes So many people do it now No Yes because his podcast Is actually solid Exactly And then everybody else is like

Oh yeah we can do this too You tell me these can be good Bro It's in people's contracts you're going to sign and you are going to get a mic exactly some people did it first they didn't do it that well paul george did it well and everybody else was like i can beat him i need a mic podcast theme songs paul george you have that just goes to show how impressive also his sneakers are fire yeah that too that just goes to show how impressive his resume is as a player because the first thing i think about him as a player

y'all talking about this podcast that's crazy those are all that's not impressive at all those are all that's actually not impressive that's the first thing i think about for paul george i don't think about the court. I think about podcasting. I wouldn't call that impressive. Wow, bro. All the nicknames he has, the most popular one right now is probably podcast Pete. What second?

Way off Pete. Yeah, let's say way off P. Okay. Exactly. We can move on. Next. Charles Barkley. Charles.

I think of his NBA on T&T career before like the player. Yeah. Being big. Common. That's how he shows up to me. Being big and proud. Yeah. Yeah.

What's his nickname? The mound, round, round, a rebound? It's a wide name, bro. You're a wild boy. You know how big you have to be to be called at? He was 300 pounds. He was, he was, I'm telling you, he was big baby Davis. He was actually like, no.

All right, he wasn't that big. He was. He was 300 pounds. Have you seen Big Baby Davis? No, but I'm telling you, listen, listen, Big Baby, Big Baby is like 6, 7, 300. Chuck was like 6, 4, 3. 300 pounds there's no way to find you 300 pounds i'm telling you he said it before maybe post retirements he was big he was big but big baby davis big yes if big baby davis was a star he

would have been charles barker oh my god that's just how it is well man but chuck made what yeah he was 300 pounds when he was on the 76 and they asked him to drop weight that's what i'm saying early on early on in his career he's 300 damn man man yeah and next one a country boy who gets who gets money oh yeah he was eating Shaquille O'Neal also being big true that is that is like half of his half his stuff listen Shaq has changed the commercial game forever he has changed the advertisement game yes everybody that's genuine the

one thing no for sure he changed the athlete game by loving capitalism anybody wanted him to do something for money I'm in there yeah if the check was right shag can do advertising for anything He made it so every NBA star in 2000s had to, one, be large as fuck, and two, love money. And that was the blueprint. What's your favorite Shaq advertisement? I think mine is, like, icy hot. The general.

The general, for sure. Go to the general and save some time. I like that one. Good job. You nailed it. But yeah, he's just big. As the legend, Tyler I.M. once said, Shaq would do a commercial for genocide if the check was on time. Oh, my God.

iconic tweet that's terrible next one Magic Johnson he made passing really cool yeah yeah

yeah yeah he had vitamin water too right or was that 50 cent oh that's 50 cents Patrick Johnson was part of vitamin water

no I think he was part of Starbucks oh he is part of Starbucks he made it cool to be like an athlete that's also like a Hollywood celebrity to be like a pretty boy

and be like front of the cameras before then they were like get your ass on the paint why are you be a man and he made it cool to be a pretty boy yeah that is true that is true yeah he did do that one of the first point forwards in the NBA did a lot of things that a lot of people didn't know that they could do at that size yeah helped inspire lebron jeans without him without him I don't know if you see lebron that's a good point he really influenced idea of big guards yeah yeah like nobody nobody that was over 6 5 was being allowed to play point guard at the youth level before Magic Johnson.

Ben Simmons, thank Magic Johnson. Facts. Those three years are because of him. Yeah. Shout to Magic, man. I love Magic, man. Magic has so many of what this.

And obviously, you know, he made the NBA popular. Him and Larry Bird, they literally influenced the world and the caring about basketball. Yep. Which is really, he really needs to be thrown the conversation more for the most influential players of all time. He influenced America to like a sport. Influence America to a lot of things,

for sure. Next name. Thank God. Oh, that's the last one. End of that clip. Nick, I hate you. Next thing we're going to do, it's been 20 questions.

Okay. Another T3 stable. You know, it's episode 100. We're here to commemorate the first 100 episodes. And one of the things that really has been with us the whole time has been 20 questions as a format. Okay. I will think of the name.

You guys can guess. Yeah, okay, you got a name. You ready? We have 20 questions against the player Mo's thinking of. You got 20 questions against the player that I'm thinking of. LeBron.

Go, no. Brodie. No, no, that's three. Shit. Let's his guest names. 20 names? Yeah. You're not going to get it.

That's too hard. You're not going to get it. Please don't. Dylan Brooks. No. Pepe Sanchez. No, no. Okay, now we've got to try.

All right. This is a current player. Yes. Are they, do they currently play in the Eastern Conference? yes Eastern Conference current player this is Jalen Suggs

no shit is their team did their team make the play in or better in this previous season yes okay is he a star

no you got a star this kind of it's kind of vague did they make the oh no they're not a star were they joined you top six seed

let's Tote them crowns, they gave you superpowers I call people crowned just for a reason Yeah Well they had top five seed last year Yes Okay Did their team make it to

The second round of the playoffs Yes They made to the second round Okay so it's not Pacers Knicks Celtics Cups That was the second round

Yeah And Pacers weren't top five No okay so wait so it's celtics knicks nix sultans calves okay uh what's narrowed narrowed down these teams are they are they is it a cat is a person on the nix no are they in the celtics yes okay selthic there we go easy money are they a starter yes tingus pingus no derrick white yes let's go damn my bald king 17. It took you guys a little longer. You guys fucked around when you were naming. I mean, it really only took us 12 questions because I honestly, I purposely made it difficult.

Sold some questions. We know you. You're easy. I'm used. Hold on. How many think of one. All right. That was good. You have 20 questions to guess the current. I said current. It's not current. It's not current. What's not current? Well, I'm not saying it has to be current. You have 20 questions

To get the NBA player I'm thinking of We got him Okay It's Ray Allen This is Ray Allen Is he playing in the NBA today Uh How do I'm at

Who'll be playing in the NBA next year Okay So I guess he's like a free agent Or something like that Was this player In the most recent NBA draft Yes Ooh

Did they go in the first round No we did not Oh Take the shot Hold on on This is content still This is content still So I can't take it just yet

Is this? Man just say this May I'm trying to win Is this Bronny James This is Brian James Oh I was gonna be like Is this player popular

On the internet Is he a streamer? I should have just said Yes or will he be playing Current I didn't Shit he is a current NBA player Why are they

The thing's gonna fall in your head no it's tied to the wall it's not coming off safety precautions stop please anxiety I want it to fall now you wanted to fall okay well that's that that's 20 questions

damn next thing we're gonna do wait I have another play if you guys want okay do it again let's one more okay let's try let me confirm

let me confirm information real quick before I grab him it's because I don't want to have any blinks all right you guys all right there we go you have 20 questions against NBA player

I'm thinking of okay rather try is this a current NBA player yes okay I'm let me try to let me try to channel my energy and try to think who you might be thinking of um Markle Fultz no shit I've done that before does he has does this player play in the Eastern conference no I do you think a guess is I'm gonna sell you every time with names what you think of try to narrow it down okay Eastern Conference, it's not Fultz, or not Eastern Conference. Alex Caruso. No.

Fuck. Is this player a starter? Uh, a majority of the time. TBD. TBD, he'll start. Isaiah Hardinstein. No. Did this player change teams in the past, in the offseason?

No. TBD, he didn't change teams. No, starter. TBD, if he's going to be a starter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't change teams. He's in the West. Rui Hachamora?

No. Did this, did this player's team make the top eight after the playing? Yes. Okay, TBD starters, Christian Brown. No. Damn. Did this, did this team, was this player's team a top four seed? Let me confirm.

See, I got to, I got to know that. Now we got four teams Okay Now we're down We're really playing 10 questions out here Max I'm selling you Okay you said Top what seed

Top four seed? Top four seed yes Ooh okay okay okay okay okay Top four seeds were okay C Denver Minnesota The Clippers got four Clippers got four?

Yes Because that was got five Norm Powell No oh that's it that's a good that's a good guess good guess did this um i did not pick donovan's twin one of the many did this team go to the western conference finals no okay so it's a clipper or a thunder tbd before star is this lewd dork oh no no it's a clipper thundder put his name down or nugget oh dang okay okay okay okay here's here's here's here's

what we're going to do. Is this player a guard? Yes. Ooh. You're near it on the team some more because I'm It's Thunder Nuggets Wolves. Yeah, a guard from Thunder Nuggets Wolves. Westbrook is gone that we don't know is going to be

James Harden's going to start. Who might start? Terrence Mann maybe? No, he'll start for sure. Nuggets, I mean. Well, Westberg did go to the Nuggets. He's not going to start though. He wouldn't say TBD.

He's obviously not going to start if he did. yeah no yeah rest obviously not gonna start okay C might start oh because Josh Giddy's gone Isaiah Joe no oh okay I said all the O KC guards it can't beat O KC guard we got 17 lift I might win for the first time just ask if it's Nuggets or Clippers okay is this is this player on the Nuggets no oh okay okay Oh, we're going down the wire. This is true. You said as a guard?

Yes. Is this Terrence man? I never went shit. Damn. Nikiel? It's your fault. How? I don't know, but it's your fault.

Damn. TB D. He'll start. They should start him. He's definitely going to start. Oh, let's go. Let's go. Yeah, you suck.

Man, no, we're. Last thing we're going to do before we get out of here You know, Team USA has been the biggest topic of discussion right now Because nothing else is going on Given the fact that it's July Or August now actually, oh shit, it says August 1st Damn We're going to make the 2028 Team USA team

Okay Because listen Best players in the league right now The whole team or just the starters Start with starters, we'll see Yeah, start with starters, we'll see Yeah, start starters Best players in the world right now

Euros Not a lot of Americans out here heroes so we'll theorize who could be on this team we'll start with the starters point guard through center okay so who do you expect to be on the 2028 team USA team Anthony Edwards is an immediate he has to be on that okay he's a starting shooting guard he's a two guard yeah Jason Tatum is the three I was gonna say Jalen Brown the three Jason Tam the four probably is Jaylon Brown getting back to this team I don't have 28 ah damn is he is he I don't know

know if jam brown's going to be there positions if they didn't if they didn't pick jalen brown on this round after everything that's gone down after he got snubbed is he coming back and is he getting get on this i think i don't know if he'll be good enough at this point in time i don't know if he'll be something 27 you're right uh i don't know i don't know he'll be like 31 around the line so the center and um okay well we'll leave this one forward open okay chet's he's going to be a he's going to start he's going to be there chat homer's going to be there you don't think eight he's going to be there next You don't think BAM's going to be there next time? Chet's going to be there in four years.

I think, yeah, I think Chet's going to be there, 100%. I'm cool with Chet the center. But Bam, but Bam has been here twice. There might be some seniority. Chet's going to be... Chet's going to be... Chet's going to be. I feel very comfortable that Chet's going to be there.

They need a singular white man. Okay, well, add BAM to the bench. Bam will be there on the bench. Bams a lot to be on the bench. He should be on the seat. That's fine. Ben will be part of it. John Morant, point guard?

Huh. It's either Jod, Tyrese Halliburton. Do you do trust Jock enough? Yes, I trust Jock completely. We should, yeah. Completely? I trust Jod just fine. See, that's different than completely.

You know what I'm saying? Wait, how does this fit? How does this fit? Because you know how Grant Hill and M.R. Like, this is, that's be strategic. Question, are they going with. Devin Booker? Exactly.

Are they going with like a two guard line? Are we moving into the three and putting Devin Booker at two? Because Devin Booker has to start. Devin Booker has to start. great this run. Yeah. Okay. Devin Booker at the two and three. Okay, perfect. Perfect. I'm happy you said that. So you want to put Tyrese Hallibran starting and John Moran on the bench? I don't know. Let's start job. Put the better player. John. Jaws there. Bro. Palmy

bench. Bench. We got Bam. We got Tyrese Halliburton. I don't want to put him there right now. Cooper Flag. If he's as good as we think. I'm thinking flag as well. Okay. The other young, young Americans. Who else is Zion? Pallow? Zion's not going to be here. Palo might. He's, yeah, he was a part of it last year. Paolo might.

Let's put Paolo. Now, this is a lot of bigs though. This is, this is shooting. Exactly. Tatum Chet. I have a singular light skin for you. Where's D. Mitch? Damn.

Where's D. Mitz now? He should be there. Is he going to be there in four years? Maybe. How old is Dement? Dmitz, 27, 28? Yeah, he's one of the two. Okay, so Donald Mitchell there.

Donald Mitchell will be a little old, but he can stick around. And now we need, we need, we need, we need. need the one we need the role player her Jones Herbert Jones the one random

whole role he'll be the Derek White he'll be around 29 at that time Herbert Jones do we like this team construction off the bench

is this getting gold absolutely damn we don't have no LeBron are you sure or KD bro they're running Josh getting them

out of the fucking bit out of the room I'm not worried about them but Wemby we worried about Wemby and Belawcula Bolly Get him the fuck out of here Wemby, Bolao, you got Zachary

Richard Shea? I mean, I don't care about him. We need one more spot for the 12th man. All of a sudden, you know, Nick Batoon's still going to be there? Like, one more spot. For the 12th man. What do we want? So we have two point guards. Stop disrespecting Trey Young and put him there.

Trey's not making it. I'm sorry. Politics. Honestly. Just put you in the Brown. Okay. Honestly, though. I loki feel like

Trey has a better chance of getting up there before Jai does You are Come on Get off the old man off the lawn Jaws fine Jaws gonna be there Jaws fine

He's just thinking about The tomfoolery That's it's a reason why we haven't seen John in two years Because his shoulder fell off Yeah he got hurt What do you mean Even before that

There's a reason why we haven't seen John a year and a half He got one suspension Then he got hurt He had multiple suspensions One long one that matters and then he got hurt right after. Keyword got hurt.

He's fine. Do you want that representing America? It represents America perfectly fine if you ask me. This is what America's about. All right. This is our team. We got Jean Morant, Devin, Booker, Anthony Edwards,

Jason Tatum, Chad Holmgren. Off the bench, we got Halliburn, Bam, Cooper Flag, Palo Bancaro, Donovan Mitchell, Herb Jones, Jalen Brown. Grant Williams or Grant Hill.

If you need some advising, we got you. And on that note, wow wait wait is this the end of episode five or 100 it is what should people comment if they made it to the end crown eaters rejoice yep this is for you oh episode 100 crayon leaders rejoice let me see in the comments the 100th rejoicing of the crayon eaters who the marathon continues