The Deep 3 Podcast - We Debated Every NBA Midseason Award | Ep. 74

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

Today we give out NBA midseason awards! #nba Check out episode 1 of the Isaac Gutierrez show: https://youtu.be/SdggG7U5nc4?si=uejTv1du40K0CGSo Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/collections/all Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 1:14- ANNOUNCEMENTS! 4:30- Lakera Drama 26:15- Knicks are back 45:28- 65 game rule drama 1:00:25- Midseason Awards! 1:39:55- TikTok Time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All right, you don't want to start off by talking about the Joellen B drama or the Lakers drama? Because there's a whole lot of drama to go around this week. Get the Lakers drama. We'll give LeBron what he actually wants. He's the most passive aggressive superstar we've ever seen. He tweets like a 16 year old on Snapchat. It's ridiculous. This is black screen.

Yeah. Hit my number. You know where to find me. Don't text me. Don't call. Going ghost. For, bro, for somebody who like lets us know that he's almost 40, grow up. But like, come on, fam.

Yeah, man. Welcome back to another episode. As you see by the title, we're going to do our midseason awards today. But before we get to that later in the episode, we have, as I also said, a ton of drama to get to. People are pissed about Joel and being missing games. People are calling him a ducker. Now he's actually hurt. People are pissed that he's going to miss swimming games, not be able to be all NBA and MVP.

The Lakers are falling apart again. So much going on. So much to talk about. Let's just jump straight into it with Lakers' talk. The cranium is crazy. Oh my god. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice.

I almost forgot. Before we talk about the Lakers, we have an announcement that is currently on our body. We have new merch. Y'all, we branded a while ago, got new logos and everything. You see it on the screen. The merch is finally here. You see I'm wearing the long sleeve.

the long sleeve. I got the yep, here we go. I got the corduroy hat with the white logo. Donovan got shit on too. That's different. That quarter of a hat, that's different. Donovan, is that a hoodie? Is that a hoodie that is on your body? It is a hoodie with a hat. And I have

long sleeve t-shirts. Listen, we have merch for days. You have to understand that. All right. Mo has the short sleeve shirt. Man, we're here. I got this short sleeve shirt. We got a purple short sleeve shirt. of course The Immaculate hoodie

And then we got another shirt And I also have a long sleeve Just like Isaac We are loaded from top to bottom You guys should know where to find this One of the first links in the description Represent us, crayon eaters Where are you at?

Got the hoodie with the white logo too In totality we have The hoodie that Donovan's wearing Which has our regular logo embroidered You know the orange ball and everything Then we have the alternate hoodie That has the whiteout logo Where it's just white, no ball

A personal favorite of mine we got two hats like I said the corduroy hat with the white logo and the one that Donovan's wearing which is a more

standard hat with the typical logo all of these are embroidered as well as a short sleeve t-shirt which has an embroidered logo

in the middle then we had the long sleeve which this was a little of a change of pace it's not embroidered we have a

screen printed logo on here it's a little more clear cut something for everybody listen run up run up the merch

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five-star review, blah, blah, blah. Let's talk about the Lakers. Donovan, I brought it up a second ago and you immediately started going off about how LeBron's petty. He's doing too much.

Tell us more. Listen, no, no. I said that he was petty. I did not say he was doing too much because I'll say this. While it is extremely annoying that, like clockwork, we're going to get a LeBron tweet

or a LeBron quote from a post-game interview after a loss that's incredibly passive aggressive, incredibly cryptic, and everyone's just like, LeBron, care to elaborate. While that's, why that's very annoying, I can't say it's not effective because he's gotten exactly what he's wanted every single time, so I get why he keeps doing it. But we're at the point, right, the Lakers suck. We've been talking about since the summer, since they signed, exactly, since they signed Ruy since they signed Delo. Everybody was like, listen, these contracts are great to be traded.

Like, these guys have been out the door since July. So it's about time. Trade deadline is a couple, what, a week and a half away. I'm ready to see just how cryptic this message is for LeBron. Because does it mean that this year's over? Does it mean that Darwin's gone? Does it mean that he doesn't want to be a Laker anymore? Who knows?

But once again, LeBron decides to be passive aggressive. And it's not surprising anymore. This is the most down bad the Lakers have been in the LeBron era. They were down horrendous with Russell Westbrook. I think this is an all-time low. I think this might be even worse. And not because they're a worst team. They're basically just as bad as we're with Russ now.

Like they had their research post-trade last year. And this year, all that progress is gone. They're basically in the same spot they were before. Darvindham. I was, no, we talked about this at length. I defended Darvindham last year because I think he was legitimately really good in the playoffs last year. It made smart adjustments.

was a top half the league coach he has to be fired I think at this point the team has clearly given up on him every time a player talks it in the media they always throw a slight little thing

out there about coaching it starts with coaching it starts with coaching blah blah like they just throw these small hints out there that aren't exactly calling him out but they're not giving him glowing reviews

it just seems like he's lost a locker room he still is having the issues at least from a fan perspective with the lineups it seems like nobody's happy with the players he's putting out there which some of it's overblown

there's a lot of like hate towards Toy and Prince, which I think is a little, a little too much. But he's playing Tony and Prince. Like, he's like a fucking $30 million per year locked on the fender, playing the biggest minutes of his career. Like, nobody could be happy with the way Darwin has been coaching his team this year. Like Donovan said, the players aren't good enough. They're good to be traded. And nothing's working. Yeah. I mean, at the start of the season, within, I think this was like one of the first two, three games of the season. There was a clip of LeBron out here saying, y'all know, y'all know him a point guard too, right? And that's when he was really

like forcing the Austin rings and Delo duo and then that was right before us or he's got benched because he was fucking ass. There's just like a lot of inconsistencies with the Los Angeles Lakers this season when it comes to lineups and all that. And I think by far the most discouraging part of all this is that

like LeBron and AD are completely healthy. They, this is the healthiest we've seen AD in a very, very long time. Usually the story is whenever like the Lakers have some type of downfall, oh, LeBron out for 10, 15 games, groin, amstring or whatever, it might be, A.D., we all know his past, his injury troubles, but this year they're completely straight, and their downfall is

just simply towards, like, roster construction is the straight cheeks, and just roster construction, really, that's the main issue, and Darbanham hasn't figured it out, hasn't figured out how to elevate this team, so. 100%. This team right now is only good when they have the starting line from last year, with Delo, Austin Reeves, Jared Vanderbilt, LeBron, and Anthony Davis. That lineup was only played like 13 minutes all fucking year. Partially because Vanderbilt was hurt earlier in the year.

And since then, they have like an elite defensive rating. It's like 89, which is unsustainably good because it's such a tiny sample size. Because like I said, Darwin refuses to play it. And fans are clamoring left and right, telling them, you have to play this lineup. It's malpractice to not play the lineup that got you to the conference finals. What are you fucking doing? But also, we saw in the conference finals, you can't be a serious team starting Vanderbilt. So he's like, I'm not even going to try and do that

I'm going to try to plan for a lot feature And to him, that means starting touring prints And playing a million minutes So he's stuck between two bad options And hasn't nailed how to balance that So like yeah, like Mo said Ross construction issue And I think now we're just like to look at it

And realize that You know, we talk a lot about how the NBA explosion Is happening with offense And how like that's The game is changing rapidly over the last few years The game's different than it was in 2020 When this team won With that defense oriented approach

this approach that they're having around these guys worked in 2020 it's just not working out at all right now and they have to really really reconsider the way they're trying to build around LeBron and AD. It's funny because the Wizards are scoring 140 and the Lakers can't figure out how to get to 125 and they're the only team. The only adjustment and obviously right there's been more but the main adjustment that Darvinham has made this entire year was he started the season saying oh yeah, LeBron's only going to play 25 to 30 minutes tonight. And then he was like, actually, he has to play more. That's probably, that's probably been the most significant change that he's made all year long. And my favorite, I wish that were

true. My, I guess so. My favorite joke, though, about Darwin Ham, which is a joke, but every time I see him, his hands are in his pocket and he looks so aloof. And it's just like, there's nothing, there's nothing left for this Lakers team to do. Every other team in the Western Congress, conference has passed them up and they I don't I don't think that there's a move out there for them to get back to to where they were like last year that western conference finals run and granted we saw it on the other side of the bracket with the Miami heat they were able to get into the play and go on this deep run but stuff like that doesn't normally happen you don't see teams from the seventh seed go and make a run to the conference finals and that's because

we had a very streaky Rui Hachamora. We had, like, Austin Reeves was playing out of his mind. Like, there were things that these players were doing. That's just uncharacteristic of who they are now. And I just, now that everybody has gone

or come back to Earth, the Lakers are, they're cooked. Like, it's, they, whatever championship ceiling that you thought that they had, it's not there. You know what's funny? Oh, for one, I'll say, the point you made about Ruby playing out of his mind, correct. What this team needs is a big forward who can defend a little bit and shoot 55% from three

like really did for three weeks. Like that'd be nice. That would help a lot to have a lot of marketing in there. Like that's basically what he did. But also like, you know we talked about the in season tournament when the idea first came to conception. We were like, this would be super fun because some random mediocre team that is a playing type team will make this run and like, you know, like a team like the pace is just primed to be that team that peaks in this point of the year and can like snatch it from, you know, a way you wouldn't really expect because they're not true contenders. Turns out that was the, like, makers. The random, mediocre team that made a run at the right time and had a fun

small market team, frisky playing. That was them and they fooled us, bro. And like, again, you said there's no move that'll fix this team one move wise. I agree. Because the most likely move it seems is DeJonte Murray coming in in exchange for DeLoe, Jalen Hitchafino, and a couple picks. DeJante Murray is not coming in and fixing those motherfucking issues. Not even a little bit. This team needs a top to bottom restart and change of their approach. They need shooters, which, you know, the lowest three-point rate team in the league, that's not a winning formula when LeBron's 39. That's not a winning formula when Anthony Davis is in a spacer. That's not a winning formula when Jared Vanderbilt has to be in your lineup to have good defense

and he doesn't shoot a lick. You just can't be a team that has a same amount of three-point rate as the Detroit Pistons. With that being said, Zach Levine, congratulations. You will be a Los Angeles Lakers by next week. I wish. I wish, bro. Yeah. Now, every, we're at the point in time to where, like, they're literally handcuffed. There's not many moves that can elevate this team to the, at least, like, competent level. Make us at least think you have a chance in the regular season. Oh, they always do, because LeBron is LeBron at the end of the day and AD is AD. But regards to the fact, they still need to make that move.

And I think Zach Levine at this point in time will give you the best opportunity to do so because of the firepower that he does generally have. And a lot of people forget how high level of score he is when it comes to specifically is outside scoring or outside shooting but a question that I have is like if you were to go ahead and fire Darwin Ham like that sounds like so easy to do but

the harder question that has to be answered after that is who are you replacing him with an interim from the staff it doesn't matter they they need a new person on there that they can have buy in from the team because it seems like they don't have a ton of faith in him which also is us reading you know from like

not being in a locker room so who knows but it needs a new voice somebody that's not going to be actively destructive. But also, like, the tweet that I had pulled up before this is said that LeBron and AD have a plus 12 net rating

whenever Tori and Prince is off the floor and it's a plus 22 net rating whenever Reddish and Prince are both off the floor with LeBron AD playing. That's the problem. They're role players

that have around these guys fucking suck. And that's not going to be fixed by making Phil Handy the coach. You know, like they just need to find a Dorian Finney Smith, to find a Bruce Brown, whoever may be,

and get in a new batch of guys that are going to help those two stars. Yeah. Listen, Rob Polinka pulled off a miracle one time, and that was whatever he did last year. The way that he was able to get Delo and everybody else in that door, that is one of the best GMing moves that we've seen, right? And just finesses. He was able to turn that team around with absolutely nothing.

I still don't understand how they were able to put that together. That's not happening in back-to-back years. You are not going to be able to flip everybody on your team to get. all the necessary role players in there around LeBron and AD and so if you fire Darwin Ham listen it might be time to tear this whole thing down right

you wait until the summer you fired Darwin Ham you trade AD right who at this point when he's the healthiest he's been in what four years now he's probably at the peak of his value that you are going to get for the remainder of his career

you trade AD you high hire a new coach, you ask LeBron, do you want to be here for the rebuild or not? Okay. You're going a little far? I don't. I will say. What is their upside moving forward with LeBron being 40 years old? Like, we've gotten to the point where Andy Davis, like, is, you know, the best player on the, on the, on a night in, night out basis.

But you get to a playoffs, you still think, like, okay, LeBron's going to lead us there. is that, doing that to a 40-year-old LeBron and asking him to come back with this castor role players. Doing that too, he's a victim? He's been abused? That part is actually, is actually wrong. Wrong? It is.

You sound like he's, it is. It is, it is wrong. No, it is, it is wrong. It's like, it's the same, it's the same thing with the, with the wars. Like, if you have, if you have Steph Curry and you are not making the, the necessary changes to make, to get like an actual roster. Everybody at home is watching this. We can see that the team sucks. If you roll into next year. Trading AD and preemptively doing it, unrealistic. You're not going to do that unless LeBron leaves. But I will say, the idea of LeBron being a free agent this summer is very

under-talked about. He can opt out. And if things keep going poorly, he can just bounce. And he can be like, I'm going to go to the Mavericks with Raymond, Luca, and Kyrie, like, do my own thing. Like, that's a non-zero possibility. Probably not more likely because, you know, his son's playing in LA right now. He is in LA for reason for outside of the game. He loves the Laker like he probably won't do all that but it's not impossible and if that does happen then you got to

do you want to build around AD and continue to do him be the star. It's not a horrible idea but then maybe you're right maybe you got to trade him and just do a full scale rebuild like yeah but you go first know you say what you're just going to say another point that conversation needs to be had but I think you should wait for that conversation until it actually happens

when LeBron does make that decision. Then, of course, I think you should trade, probably trade away Anthony Davis, who's close to the peak of his powers, because he's going to be making like $70 million in four years from now, in the year 2020, which is just mind-boggling. But that's just the way, that's just the way the NBA is headed nowadays. And at this point in time, someone like Rob Polinka just has to own it up. Own it. Eat the else of the chest. He is one of the most mid-GMs in the entire NBA, you know, like who goes out? when signs someone like Tori and Prince

and expects him to be like play a heavy part on this team. Someone like Hamerich who's been from team to team to team he's literally a nomad over the last few years. And you expect him to play that same exact type of role. I just, he just screams complacency. The problem isn't Rob Palinca. Signed those guys isn't the issue.

The problem isn't the coach plays him 30 minutes a night. That's the issue. Rob Blinkin didn't sign Tori and Prince to be the wingstopper. They didn't sign him to be their OGN and O. You know, I don't think that was Rob Polinko's fucking vision. And Darvind was got a hold of him and was like, you're Bruce Bowen. That's a Darwin hair issue. Yeah, I agree.

I agree with that. But at the same time, like, what else is Darwin Ham supposed to do? I think this, sure, I agree, there's things, there's schematic things, rotational things that could be better. But at the end of the day, he just sat on his hands because he saw this product thrive once and he believed that they could do it again. And he believed in this mid-tier type of, these mid-tier players whooping it up with the Bronwyn. which was just the wrong decision there wasn't a whole lot better options I guess I could have pursued Kyrie which reportedly they didn't want to because they wanted to stick with idiotic depth which maybe that's a mistake again who knows there's so many there's so many moving

parts there yeah but I think the bigger problem is I if you can go to my Twitter and Nikol I retweeted a tweet from Nick Wright about this the Lakers ownership has been awful ever since Dr. Bus died and it's just like again they got the title because LeBron came and they got it they made it happen with LeBron AD but from the top down you know Caruso walked, they lowball tie loot and didn't get him. They are sitting on their hands and not doing anything about Darvindham. There is reports that they're not even thinking about firing him

which I guess is fair. You don't have to fire him aside a necessity. But to not do it is to do the inverse of what the Bucks did, where they realize you can't waste the year of this core, we have to make a move sooner rather than later. The Lakers take the opposite approach at every which way. There's no preemptive decision making that comes from a smart

analytic standpoint where you're like we need to do a value at here and figure out how to put our team the best position. It's like there's nobody in the Lakers front office that's thinking about things this way. And they're more so just like going by the seat of the pants, just doing whatever in a very unprofessional way. Damn, man. Listen, that's, go ahead. I, listen, they are also, and this is just by like NBA standards, they are the Lakers front office and the ownership group is one of the broke boys in the NBA, right?

they have they don't they don't have the luxury of like across the street with Steve Ballmer and him having a hundred billion dollars and saying okay you know what we can go ahead and fire this person or we can go into the luxury tax and do all this like we can we can be a little bit impatient and pay the money to do all that because I have all the money in the world like their money is tied up in the Lakers and so it's not like they're not that they're not that bredded yeah yeah exactly and so literally Jeannie Buss's business is the Lakers. Like she doesn't have a Microsoft stock that Steve Bomber has.

Yeah. And so they're kind of forced in like shit right now. I love it. I mean, it's the truth. But they're kind of forced into continuity. And but like with LeBron, and I think we've seen this with every single era of LeBron wherever he's been at. This point always comes.

This point always happens. After after LeBron started to take control of his career and started to go on this path, It always goes this way where you have a year of building, right? You have your title run. And then towards the end of it, it's a flame out. We're trying to get people in and out, right? Coaches are being moved around. So I understand that like the Lakers have kind of been forced into this,

but there's also kind of LeBron's model. And so if we're just going off of history, now is the time where LeBron finishes the year and he goes somewhere else. and that's just probably how it's going to be. I think this was a little bit different though because in those past circumstances like the past Cleveland stint, obviously LeBron had his hands on everything.

They did things at his whim. He had all the power in a relationship coming back to his home team that needed him. This time, I don't, you know, we give LeBron a lot of flack for the rest of Westbrook trade because, like, you know, he advocated for that pretty vocally, clearly.

And, you know, it happened and it was a mistake. But also, we can point to that and say maybe he had influence there. He wanted Alex Carrarie. Rousseau. They didn't do it because they were cheap. He wanted Tyrone Loo. They didn't do it because they were cheap. He wanted Kyrie. They didn't do it. Probably because they're motherfucking cheap. So like maybe he doesn't have... Also because Kyrie was very, very volatile last year and it was like, I don't know if we could bring him into this situation. Yeah, well, it sounds like a good excuse for being motherfucking cheap. But either way, it sounds like LeBron doesn't have quite the influence he had this time that he did with the cast. Maybe he's not trying to. He doesn't want to do too much. Maybe he doesn't like that label he once had. So I don't think it's necessarily a LeBron effect. Like, I know. like maybe we give him too much credit for the Russ Westbrook trade,

but maybe he was just like a fan of what Rob Polinca was already thinking. Sound like LeBronin to open his pockets too. So I give people jobs at Springhill. Now, one thing that I'll say is that something that will give me just

an ounce in a glimmer of hope for the Lakers is if I did see them make a trade for someone like Zach Levine and not to say that he's a game changer. But having someone like Kyle Lowry would make things a little bit more interesting for the Lakers. Again, not a game changer, but that's how you guys are looking at this in 2024. Yeah, when you like four more games with them with them charges, bro, that he'd be taken all the time. We need something.

Don't believe. Yeah. That's not honestly. I'm going to scream. You're trying to add one more IG model to the Staple Center every night. Like, that's all you're trying to do. That was funny. And that Russell Westbrook trade last year?

they could have just had Mike Conno they flipped Mike Conno for Deelow they didn't have to do that they could have just did the trade with the jazz and got Vanderbilt Beasley and Conley know how much better they'd be if they had Mike Conley right now

it'd be perfect that's a completely this will be not a completely different Lakers team because they probably still would have some of these underlying issues but man it would be so much life would be so much smoother

with someone like Mike Conley that's what he does bro sucks me and it would help and it was funny You said it was Zach Levine. I would love Zach Levine at Lakers. There's a report yesterday.

It wasn't by like Shams or anybody. But there's a report that they're reportedly not going to make any big trades. They're going to keep their core together. Which is a whole other topic because they're fucking terrified of rebuilding and it's hilarious. They're the new Raptors. The Bulls are a fucking joke if that's true. Yeah, nah. It's just, I just find it so funny because a couple of months ago, Isaac, I won the Lakers.

Everyone still had like somewhat hope for the Lakers and they just need a little bit of time to figure it out. All right some reason is going to bounce back and stuff like that. and as soon as the Zach Levine news broke out everyone's like oh new Laker New Laker Austin Reeves and da-da-da-da-da-da-a or Dilo and da-da-da-da-a-pick You're like fuck no

I don't want this shit I don't want this shit And now you're down bad as fuck Crime Begging on your knees I'm still not You're right exactly being love letters right now I bet

Shut up I'm still not thrilled about paying Zach Levine 40 million dollars a year And I'm damn sure not thrilled about it Monty Murray, but I'll take what I can motherfucking get. Like at this point, like, make something happen. Would you be interested in the Dennis Schrooter experiment

once again? Yes, I never wanted him to go. Dennis Schrooter was awesome for them. I don't know why they let him walk. I didn't know because he got squeezed out, but I always liked him a lot. Yeah, he was one of the few players that helped him give and I give them an identity in terms of just like, yo, he can be on the court through almost any

situation possible. He's one of those unschamable players. Develop a three-point shot. Was the absolute dog. he was a dog defensively he was a dog defensive player yeah you can't take him out the game yeah you can't take him out the game he was one of those players you're like all right we need you win dennis longs at and no no no no okay that there's a difference though you can't take him out the game because the team sucks because there's no other there's no better option right he's not unsteakable yeah you see what i you know what i mean though

bigger sound like he's shaggle just Alexander no but he was their best point of attack defender and it helped him a lot to have that strong point guard defender like I liked I liked him more than Delo like I you had to pay Delo because like you don't want to lose him for nothing but I always was like low key trade him and keep Schroeder I just let to see you down bad in terms of your team man I didn't too anyways let's move off for this fucking team let's talk about a team that's up right now let's switch from my misery to Donovan rejoicing we're gonna spread the love to you because the New York Knicks are fucking incredible they're up to the three seat in the east they are the best defense in league by far over the past two weeks

since they got Ogen and Obi. They have like a 98 defensive rating, which is insanity for that sample size. And they're just shackling everybody, beating the shit out of everybody in the offensive rebounds. Jaylon Brunson's a god. Jolese Randall's hurt, prayers.

O'GNobie's a perfect piece for them. Amazing. Hartnstein is a dog. I hate my life so much. And Todd Gibson is back too. You have everything. He's never leaving. He's never leaving.

The New York Knicks gave up 110 points or more exactly one time in the month of January. What? Exactly. League average offensive rating. Bing, bong! Bing, bong. You bums.

Everybody's out here giving up 140. The Knicks don't give up 110. The defense is fantastic. This is exactly, right? This is exactly. And we talk a lot about teams who have no idea what they're doing. The New York Knicks know exactly what they're doing. They know exactly who they are.

They have an identity. And the fact that, listen, Mitchell Robinson, who is one of the best. I love this. First of all, this is one of my favorite videos and one of my favorite memes is Pat Bevin and the Timber was crying after the plane. It's amazing.

But this is how I feel, right? Because even with Mitchell Robinson out and even with one of the best offensive rebounding bigs in the league gone, Isaiah Hardinstein has stepped up to the plate, Jericho Sims, Tosh Gibson, all these guys playing the five. The Knicks are still the best offensive rebounding team in the league, right? The Knicks are still, the Knicks are still, the Knicks, they are still one of the best

defensive rebounding teams in the league. They don't foul at a very, very high rate. Jalen Brunson, since I guess this month, right, since the start of 24, is averaging 29 and 8 a game shooting nearly shooting 50% from the field. OGE and Inobie is everything that Tom Thibito, that the Knicks needed, right? They needed a wing, they needed a 3-D wing

who can actually shoot threes and actually play defense and everything that they were trying to make R.J. Barrett do. O.G. and N.O.B. is actually that. The villain of a wildcats. Everybody has come in there. They know how to play together. This team, and I talked about it on the stream on Monday. I said that... 8 p.m. tune in.

Exactly. There was a possibility that this team gets to the number two seed in the Eastern Conference if the bucks keeps sliding. Because now that Joel and Beat is heard, on Tuesday whenever we streamed, The Knicks overtook the 76ers. There are another three seat in the east. This team do not let Mitchell Robinson come back because I'm telling you right now. I'm letting you know right now.

If he comes back and Julius Randall is healthy, we're going to the conference finals. And Boston, if it's a three-point game with five minutes to go, I promise you, you're losing. Because none of y'all know how to play down the stretch. This team is fantastic. Oh, my goodness. And all you, both of you, try to gaslight me. Tell me if the Atlanta Hawks were going to be better. Don't think I forgot.

We're so off the Hawks. Shut up. Don't think I forgot. You didn't think we were going to do this and I knew. And I knew and I tried to tell y'all, but y'all didn't want to listen. First of all, O.G&OBI wasn't a Nick when we said that declaration. So go fuck yourself. And then we're so past the Hawks.

Fuck them. It doesn't matter who's hurt. It doesn't matter who's on the team. This team is up. This team is up. No, it matters a lot. It matters a lot. because OJ&Nobie makes all the difference.

Why? Because Jaylon Brunson, All-Star starter snub? Come on now. Late-ass celebration. Let's move on. Isaac, what's your point? At least he could do that celebration more than Trey Young

because he's knocking everything down, right? Every shot he picks up goes in. I understand you're going to gloat for your team from the jump of the year. You have blind confidence in them because of your team. But they are such a night and a different team in Ogen and Obie now. No, no. It's actually completely different. It's completely different.

actually like watching this team play right now. I don't like this year. I did not like much of them at all. OG, I was listening to the Thinking Basketball podcast where Ben Taylor was talking to Dave DeFour, who's a guest he has on a lot. He works for the athletic. There's a lot of podcasts for them. And he said that he thinks OG right now is the same level of player as a tertiary third starter as like Chris Middleton, which he means like better Chris Milton, not like this version. And he's right. Like you might sound crazy because OG's like not a score. You don't think about him as like a low level all star. But in terms of impact to winning ability

to play next to other stars fill all the gaps you want he can play small ball five he can guard guards he can guard big forwards he can stretch the court in the corners he's a great cutter all this stuff he is absolutely perfect to play next to stars and like it's so funny because we've talked about for years now that we wanted ogy to be traded and go to another team to be with the winning team and like show his strengths from a team that actually needs them and like fits him well and this is the best version that possible you can't imagine a better coach for ogen and obi than tom Tibido. He found his

Luweldang. He's perfect. He exactly. He's a new Luwold dang. There's the strength shows, the size shows, the tenacity he plays like 42 minutes a game. Like, it's glove and hand fit. Yeah.

Nah. Tom Tibbro saw him. He saw another 6, 8, 6, 9 African dude. He was like, my Luweld dang, my sweet king, I needed you and I missed you. And yeah, I completely agree. The impact is surreal. The stats, the little 15, 16, sometimes 18 points that he'd be given them. That does not.

explain how valuable he is on the court. It doesn't just show the spacing that he provides. It doesn't show the just opportunity and the gateways of positive stuff happening on the court, the boxing out, the defense, just being a blanket and filling up whatever holds that the Knicks might have at the moment on the court. There's just so much that he does him that he provides that allows the Knicks to be on another level of like contender. when I said on the, I think on the stream the other day that this team could easily upset the team like the Boston Celtic.

Not the Celtic, but they get upset one of the better teams in the Eastern Kong. No, no, they could do that. You mentioned the boxing out. I won't talk about that a little bit because this team, even outside of the OJN will be fixing things, even before this trade, they were already one of the better offensive rebounding teams.

Already they don't file a lot, there were profiles as a good defensive team that took me a bit to put it together. They are so unbelievably well coached on that end right now. Like Tom Stibbertoe has his, flaws but this year he's having one of the best coaching just like spectacles he's had in years doing his strengths well like i was again listen to thinking basketball podcast i was listening to them talk about the subject and like Dave d'ufore mentioned something i had to go back and watch myself the way they box out you know like obviously there's a lot of three-point shots these days

create long rebounds they like box in they'll basically like box the big men in so in the long rebounds come they can come out and get it like the inverse of box out they do that incredibly disciplined. They do have a lot of cutters. Josh Hart and Genobey cut a lot puts him in position to get offense rebounds. Julius Randall puts his head down and fucking drives to the rim. It's kind of ugly sometimes, but you know he does as he does. That leads to offensive rebounds because he's always around the rim. Like they know how to maximize opportunities to do their strengths well on that side when it comes to the boards, not failing a lot, all that type of stuff. They just know themselves incredibly well. Yeah. And I, and I, listen, even among this

entire month, it's been amazing. There's two things that are like that we have to keep our our eye on one is the fundamental and like the foundational pieces of our defense those things are for real because we have been doing them all year the other thing is for the nix to hit this high end right now since this entire month they're second in the league in opponent three point percentage right the teams that teams assume 32% from three against them and so that's that's going to come back to to the middle a little bit but again just like The ability to not give extra points at the free throw line to not give second chance points

and for a team that doesn't play fast, right? This team really, really is slowing the game down their bottom five in pace since the start of the year. And I'm referencing the start of the year because this team really is pre-OG. Ninobe and post-OGNaninobe. It's two different things that you're looking at. And they slow it down. And so when there's a limited amount of possessions in U.S.

are not giving up an extra point here, an extra point there, right, an extra rebound there, all those things add up and matter. And in a playoff context, this is exactly what you want to see, right? So if you are going up against the, you know, the Cleveland Cavaliers, which we saw last year, they were able to out physical them. Jalen Brunson is amazing in isolation. Julius Randall, when he has it going, he's amazing in isolation. And so the ability to create for themselves and then everybody else,

like Dante Divenchino, the big raggoo, he's been shooting lights out. There's so many things that you can play off of that where I think that, I truly think that this team has a conference final ceiling. And depending on the, and I'm so serious, depending on the shooting luck that Boston has if we end up playing them, which granted, they have played them fairly well over the last like two, three years. Depending on the shooting luck that they have, they could, They could beat them.

I don't think it would be an easy series. I don't think it would be an easy series at all. We've seen the Celtics go very, very cold. And all it takes is two games and the series is boom. It's switched. So the ceiling is a lot higher than what a lot of people may think it is. I think the floor is incredibly high. Like they're going to be a, they're not going to have a,

they're not losing the first round, I don't think. I'm ready to rule that out. I agree. It's just hard. Like, it's so hard when you know they have their limitations with their top end talent offensively that like it's like Jane and Brunson versus the world and we saw on the second round of the playoffs

Jayne Brunson was really good and effective but it's hard for him to be effective getting his own shot and also creating offense to the rest of the team because he's just like not a particularly strong playmaker and he again he's very get his own shot oriented you throw doubles at him and he's not he's not

Luca Donchic he can't jump up and throw a dot to the corner he can't be Yokic throwing a dot to the cutter every time you double him like doubling him is actually effective some type of thing we see against like a Tray Young in the playoffs because they're lack of size that restricts their passing in those scenarios, it's hard for them when they don't have another really strong creator on offense

and that's just like an inevitable ceiling limiter I think with the way this team's construction is until they get like whoever the next star is with all the assets they have. Exactly. So I just don't know how to project their ceiling. I think the, I'd be willing to like put them into championship contention ceiling range

once they figure out who that second star is or potentially first star is or whatever. And all lights point towards Julius Randall. I think, you know, he can only take you so far as the second best player, second best player on the team. And it's just a time thing for the New York Knicks. Right now, the entire front office is in lockstep. This is the best and most aligned that I've seen this team since I've been a, since I've ever started watching basketball, bro. I've never seen them this competent head to toe.

The roster aligns coaches, coaches vision aligns. Everything is working beautiful for them right now. I will say I wasn't like super high on the idea of a Donald Mitchell trade because like the two small guard thing. What we're seeing now with Ogen and Obie there and how strong their defensive principles are, I think it makes a lot of sense, honestly. I think they have one of the rare team constructions that can build around two small guards and it would not be an issue.

I think if things don't go while in Cleveland and the summer comes around, they'll know they sell these assets, they sell the Julius Randolph contract. I'm very hopeful for the team's future if something like that does happen. I agree. I want to push back on something that you said though. In, no, I'm going to do it anyway. Shove him. In the idea that like the high end talent, like Brunson in that in the second round series against Miami, he was going crazy.

Yeah, he was a great score. Yeah. He was barely dropped. And he was averaging over 30 a night shooting 50% from the field in that series. The problem is, or the problem was in that, especially in the closeout game, R.J. Barrett is going three or three or four. 14 or whatever, him and Julius Randall were putting up tour date shooting splits. The very big thing is like, if that is not, if that's O.J. and Nobie in the corner, rather than R.J. Barrett, what are you getting? Because if anybody else, if anybody else had

decided to step up, like Quentin Grimes wasn't there, like he wasn't showing up, quickly had a bad series. If anybody else decided to help out Jalen Brunson, there's a very real possibility that they could have won that series, especially with the way that Miami was. And so now I'm just looking at it and you see the fact that they are able to, again, create extra possessions for themselves, that OG can do a lot of things off ball

and the fact that you have somebody who can legitimately say, hey, that's their best player. Go guard them, make life hard for them, right? Go make them work. They can make the conference finals and they 100% I think should be taken seriously as a finals contender

for sure let me explain more that I mean with the Jeremy Brunson because I know you know what I mean but people were Knicks fans

you know they're so fucking defensive of Jalen Brunson they got on Candice Parker's ass for saying in the second round playoffs he wasn't quite as effective and they were like he averaged 30 and 6

50% from the field I agree he was perfectly fine the problem is like you said it's because R.J. Barrett people in them like were in the corners

not being able to hit a thing that's the problem Jaylan Brunson can be extremely effective scoring the ball You're not going to slow him down in that way. And the possesses where he's not getting his shot and he has to pass it off of because he's doubled, he's throwing it to the side. And those guys can't do a thing with the ball in their hands.

And that's what I mean the issue is. It's because he's not a high-level passer, you need a really strong secondary playmaker. If they need like a Dremont Green, a whoever that can get on the short roll and make passes, they still don't have that. As great as Ogen-Nobie is, he's not a strong on-ball playmaker, so they still don't have that release valve that can complement Jim Brunson that way and make up for the passing deficiencies. And that's the issue there. necessarily that Jalen Brunton is going to like shoot poorly. Yeah. And I think that just comes with time as they continue to figure out how to how to elevate this offense. Just to make it simple, they need more layers to their offense and a couple more counters because I don't want to say it's

predictable, but it is kind of predictable. No, no, it's unstoppable in my opinion. It's very predictable. Yeah, yeah. Jalen Brunson is amazing at creating his own shot. He's just not the type of floor raisers for other people. He's not making everybody's life around him easier, which is no like a front to him. He's great at what he does. That's just not his game. And they need somebody who that is their game, you know? I agree. Here's what it is. Jalen Bruns and Julius Randall are going to hit you in the mouth over and over and over and over and he's going to give you this shimmy shake. He's going to throw his shoulder into your chest. He's going to move you back. And for a lot of people in the league, there's absolutely nothing you can do. And when we get down to playoff

basketball, I'm very, very curious. I think a lot of this hinges on Julius Randall's health because I think if he is healthy and can be somewhat effective if he's not shooting 2 of 15 which is at this point we've seen a couple of playoff friends where he has done that and it might be a very big ask at this point

please Julius Randall if you can shoot 6 of 17 we're cooking like listen the bar is the floor right now because Jalen Brunson he's going to come out he's going to make big shots we've seen him take a leap in his three point shot this year guys this team is different this this team is it's different than every other nix team that

we've seen the the potential here is sky high yeah man they're awesome like it's just so cool when you see a team that knows themselves like I said knows their strengths and weaknesses and instead of like trying to seek out something to like change the team because they're not good enough and they completely altered those strengths they just double down on the strength and just strengthen their strength and get better at what they do well it just leads to awesome shit like this where you just have such a competitive advantage and so many key areas on the court. Even if we know you're not like the Celtics,

you're not the Nuggets, whatever, you're just such an interesting team. We are a game and a half out of the two seed. Yeah. Hey, man, guys, it's going to happen. We're going to be the two seed. We're going to be the two seed.

We're probably going to play. Let's say Miami wins the, uh, wins the playing. We get Miami in the first round. That's tough, that's tough. It's tough.

It's tough. It's tough. Rock fight. Yeah. Yeah, that's incredible tough. I'll take us versus anybody. I don't want to see first round Jimmy in the playoffs. You know, first on Jimmy, he fucking has all the energy in the world from the whole

regular season of coasting before he burns out in the conference finals. He's on one. Yeah, those are the two most gritty and grindiest teams in the entire NBA. Like, in order to win this bitch, Tom Tobro going to need to pull out tables, ladders, and chairs and fucking, there's going to be like, there's going to be complete chaos on the core, bro. Don't let us see Orlando. If we see Orlando in the first round, we might sweep.

Like, oh, you're 100% sweep Orlando, I think Sweep? Dang. Paul can't get one. France can't get one. Jonathan, Isaac can't get one. Those games, those games would be a rock fight. That's going to be That's going to be. That's going to be 802 to 81. It's going to be good. I don't want to throw any. I hate to be the guy to throw shots

at the Orlando Magic, such a feel good story. They would get their backs won out by the Knicks. Wow. Knicks and three. And with that being said, Isaac people are going to pick what you just said and label you as a magic hater because these folks were in their

fucking feelings. I'm also, oh my God, you're scoffal of my camera a shot chucker. Fuck you, dude. You're just fucking aater. I understand what you mean. And I like semi agree to it. This is not going to be a competition at all. These two teams are not even on the same level remotely. But, you know, it'll be interesting

and the Knicks should handle their business of discounts. But yeah, you're right. The Orlando Magic they have slid like a motherfucker. Injuries have been beating their ass consistently. Yeah. And people have been in and out of the line on a consistent basis too. So it's like they're kind of, they're kind of cooked. But

they still met expectations in my opinion. They're doing exactly what they should be doing. Yeah. Also, you know, they weren't expected to be like a top five team. So no no affront to them like I said. Also, fire theme song, best theme song in the NBA. Correct. You have you have a lot going for you, Orlando. Good job. You've seen those things that the Detroit Lions

TikTok page does whenever somebody talks about them and they win, they put them on a, in a TikTok. Yeah. Like, ratio Theo Ash. Yeah. Fucking Land of Magic couldn't do that to me. They're getting their backs blown out. Meanwhile, they beat the Knicks in the first round.

That would never happen. I'm safe. If it happens, only year, gaping about it. All right, man. That's too much Nick's talk. You got your ego shrunk a little bit. Let's move on.

I think we're talking about the other drama piece that's going on this week. There has been a lot made about Joelle and Bede and whether or not he plays certain games. You know, it started last week. He didn't play the game against the Denver Nuggets after seemingly being healthy and he was a late, late scratch, was never on the injury report, got scratched like a half an hour for the game started. And people were pissed. I saw people comparing him to Hitler. People were being so dramatic.

People were going crazy. The fans were just like, he gets so much vitriol. It's crazy. people were acting like he decided to sit out legitimately they think he's ducking games like he doesn't want to play in Denver like people have the type of brain rot where they actually think that Joelle and saw the schedule

and was like I don't want to play there which like I don't know I try not to like be too disrespectful to people have certain views that's not sure you're a fucking idiot if you think that like no no like you're fucking stupid if you think that

like you're generally fucking dumb and it's just hilarious Isaac calls people stupid more than anybody else. He loves it. Don't let him feel you. He has a right to do it too. He has every right to do so

because we saw this play last night against the goal of St. Warriors. He was just running and all of a sudden he tries to jump. He has zero. If someone, it looks like someone absolutely just snipped his knees from the stands, bro.

He shouldn't have played last night. 100%. He shouldn't have played. People thought it was a fake injury, whatever, yada, yada, yada, bullshit. And then he comes back. He misses the next game as well.

He plays the Warriors two nights ago. He's questionable and he pushes through clearly because he's trying to not be labeled this way, right? He hears what people say about him every year. And like you just said, he gets hurt again in the Warriors game and now he's going to be out for who knows how long. And I say all this is to say, all of this is because this fucking 65 game threshold that has he made to be in an all-N-Ba team and MVP. He's trying to hit that 65 games because why wouldn't he, right? That's a great accomplishment you want to get. And it's leading to him being hurt.

We saw the same thing happened in Tyrese Halliburton, who missed eight straight games and came back. too early from a hamstring because he wanted to make all NBA and get the Supermax got hurt again. It's just leading to nonstop negatives. It's cooked. It's sad. I hate to see it so much. I hate everything that Adam Silver has done to my league. Just kidding. Hyperble, of course. But in terms of this right here, all he's just being this type, this stern in order to go ahead and like secure this TV deal bag, I get it. But at the same time, this shit was so. elogical and they did not run through the worst case scenarios and the worst case case scenario in this situation is that we're seeing one of the greatest scoring seasons point

blank period ever not only from a big man or anything like that just point blank period ever just go on not unnoticed because in our minds I'm sure that we're all going to agree he should have been MVP this season that's assumed that he doesn't hit that 65 game threshold all because of TV deal money that's all it comes to at the end of the day Yeah, and I've gone back and forth on this rule because on one hand, like, I understand, I understand wanting the winners of these awards to have played a significant, like, part of the season, right? I understand that. I understand trying to put pressure on people to actually play in these, like, marquee games because that's what you're selling the TV does. I understand, like, it's a business, it's a product, and you're trying to prioritize that.

However, there's the other side where Joelle and Bede, quote unquote, ducked, right, sat out on a nationally televised game. You are still getting that this year. And so when you go back in the off season and they start talking about the rules and stuff like this, everything that you tried to prevent was still able to happen under the 65 game rule. And I don't know. It's really tough because, again, I understand.

wanting to have like the top award say this person played this much they deserve it and if you weren't on if you weren't available then you can't be eligible for this for this award like i do yeah let me let me address that because this has been a very okay i'm just going to be another another part of me calling people fucking stupid i'm just going to be on one today i hate this discourse it's such an annoying argument i told you he loves it because i'm just i've been so annoyed it past few weeks, this is a running thing. I'm so annoyed by discourse lately. I need to get off Twitter. It's just fucking making my blood boil. But the argument like you're saying, people are saying, uh, is this such a smug response where they're like, is it really that crazy to make

them do their job and play the games? That's why they're paid. Boo-hoo. They make millions to play the games. That's the whole point. I'm not going to feel bad. And it's just so smug and just like surface level. I'm not going to think about it. I'm just like, yeah, I'm, they should play the games. But like, duh. The argument isn't that you should let people win MVP to play 40 games. The point is the voters were going to legislate that regardless. If somebody plays 60 games and somebody plays 82, the voters are already

going to account for that. You've seen it before. That's already in stone. That's going to be a thing. So the point is, doing a hard line at 65 and forcing them to play through injuries is just doing more harm than good. Especially for all NBA, where there's a big monetary attachment to it for young players trying to get the different

levels of max contracts. We could go out here and be like, I think it should just not be that. 65 is a hard line is ridiculous, it's just don't matter though. They should play the games. And they'll respond like, so you're saying games don't matter? And it's just like, that's just a one point thing that there's no level of arguments to it. It's so

dumb. Because of this rule, we're going to see guys like Tyrese Halliburton potentially miss out on like $20 to $40 million in terms of incentives because he might not be able to take this threshold because we're 50 games or whatever it is

into the season so far. And now, like, to the people, watching who has that line of thought process where it's like, yeah, they should be able to play. If you don't play, you don't get paid or whatever. Bro, let's be real. If something happens to you at your job, at your day-to-day job, meaning like you didn't, you did nothing more just been doing your thing, you're going to get time off. And that's due to respect to your, through your employer, because you got hurt in line of working. It's like that. And so same thing applies here. It's just normal thing.

No one's ducking and dodging. They're just doing what's best. They should be doing what's best for the organization, the team, their career, and all in all, big picture, the NBA. And it's also just done that we, for some reason, I don't know what discourse made us get this way. I think it was probably Anthony Davis. We've started to talk about injuries as if it's like a flaw of somebody

and it's like they're just pussy and like they're doing it on purpose and like it's a character flaw, like they should just be tough and not get hurt. Like so much of that is outside of the control of people, you know, you can tweak your ankle, you never know what happens. And we just were treating it like

it's like an affront to the game that people are getting hurt more now. Like, it's just like, back in my day, we didn't get injured. We played through games. Like, it's such a weird moral stance people are making. I feel like this started to really brew back in like 2013, 2012, back in the peak, not peak spurs days, but when the spurs were really, really fucking good. And we would see guys like Greg Popovich just hit his entire starting lineup and not give a single

fuck to the entire NBA. He's just like, I'm just benching everybody. Why? Because I said so. and we've seen players teams do that here and there in and out and I think a lot of fans just like have miscues and just the wrong entire thought process about things they don't understand like the back end things happening most of the time it's coaches and medical staff and people like that trying to emphasize rest so they can be at peak performance when all this shit matters the most yeah yeah I don't I think the NBA, one of the things that, like, becomes a different conversation is they have to figure out where the incentives get placed from, right? So, like, are they going to be all-MBA? Is it going to be from All-Star stuff? Because let's say that somebody gets hurt throughout the entire

throughout the season, but like the first half of the year, they were ball in, they made the all-star team, but they missed the second half of the year because of injury. and now they can't make our NBA. Like, should we attach the monetary stuff to the All-Star stuff? I, there, the system right now just feels a little weird. I think because of how much players get, get hurt, and now because you're trying to mandate where people, like how much people have to play,

there, the system feels like it needs a kind of complete overhaul. And I don't know, with, with the way that, the discourse is, this rule felt like Adam Silver's just being like, all right, people are mad about the games. All right, like you have to play a certain amount of games. Like he just threw something at the wall

and there's not that much like thought into it. And so now we get into one year of it happening and everybody's like, yo, this rule is kind of stupid, right? Like now you're costing me $40 million because my hamstring got tweaked

and I was trying to do that for you. I think that maybe switching it to different criteria and or having those incentives built into your contract might have to be changed moving forward if we're going to keep this rule when in actuality you probably have to get rid of it. Yeah, 100%. It's just a very like, I just don't,

it's such a lack of critical thinking about like the possible outcomes. Like you said, it's just directly to negate load management. And it's just such a narrow, I feel like such a narrow view of why people take, why low management happens and what we should do about it. It's a very lazy reaction to it, I think. think.

Look at TV money. Messing up again. TV money. That's all, that's all, that's all they're talking about. And the PA let this happen. Like, they probably, they probably just like had to for negotiation for other stuff. But like, it's honestly crazy. The NBA PA let this happen, honestly.

Grant Williams, vice president, we are looking at you right now. You are a suspect. Exactly. You are a scammer. I think Kyrie's the president of the NBA PA. Is he? Still? I think, I, is it Kyrie?

No, it can't be. Let me see. I will point he was. I don't think they do re-elections pretty often. Is C.J. McCaunt. Oh my goodness. No way it's this dude. Yeah.

It's easy. Oh, yeah. It is. Kyrie is not on there anymore. He's been gone. Yeah, I'm like, Kyrie after all these years. I forget who's on,

who's on the PM. Cairo is there like 2017. He's been gone. Oh, man. Isaac, can you be, can you imagine being told? Damn. Y'all skipped out on the stream Monday because Isaac has a tummy ache.

Y'all ain't getting paid this week. Go to hell. Yeah. Yeah. It's just such a bad rule Like let that be a subjective thing Like in 65 games It's such a bad threshold

It's terrible If it was 60 games Would you guys feel any different I guess it'd be marginally better But either way I think The same principle Let the voters decide this And let them weigh individually

Because like it's so subjective Like some years 55 games Will make sense with their adult team All MBA Because they had one of the greatest things You've ever seen And there's not a lot

tough competition there. Like maybe a bad amount of bio gets hurt too, and it's between like Jared Allen or Joellen B for 13 All-N-Ba. You're going to go to the guy that'll pay 55 games but was a god. Some years, there's going to be Anthony Davis in running for 13 all-NBA. So you're going to put him there. Like, let it be a year-to-year thing depending on what award and what comparison we're making. To put a hard line in any way, I think it's just unnecessary.

I agree, man. It's tough. And seeing stuff like this happen where like during the offseason, Adam Silver was on JJ Redix podcast and he was talking about. Oh, yeah, I'd love to see the game be talked about in the way we're diving into X's and O's. And then bullshit like this is in place. And this is completely getting away from the X's and O's. And all the actual interesting stuff that we're talking about that we're supposed to talk about because this is like robbing people, robbing fans, robbing this NBA history as a whole of monumental, like huge moments that we should

all be raving about and telling our kids about and shit like that. It's hilarious. Yep. Anyways, now Yokich doesn't get MVP number three, so there's that. I guess that's a... Woo-wee. New discourse. New New New Nukh, Yokch MVP's been to drop. Is it? That's sick. People are forcing the Shay narrative, but I think when the voting comes around, you're going to look at them side by side and be like, they have basically the same record. And Yokich is Yolkich. I know Shea's cool and fun, but it's Yolkich who is playing the same way he always has. Like, I imagine media voters are going to side with him. Wait until after the All-Star break. right and and we can we can use this as a as a transition because embeds his MVP case is done right he's he's missing yeah he's missing tomorrow's game against the jazz he's probably going to miss many more after that um based on what it looked like the the knee injury looked like so the shay thing

after the all-star break if if the thunder finish with the with the one seed and like i i really think that we're going to see a late push. Like, you remember a couple years ago when Devin Booker ended up being like top four, top five, because everyone's like, oh, he should be there. I think that kind of push is 100% on the table for Shea in the last

two months. And he, 100% is going to, like, push. If Yolich doesn't, if Yolkes does get it, I don't think it's going to be a runaway type of thing. I think Shea's going to be right there. She's already in it. I see what you're saying. She's already there. As soon as as Joel Embed hits that, it's immediately going to be a

one-day-one-b debate with Shane Yolkich. So I don't even think it's going to be a late push. It's going to be already the immediate push. I think the late push might be Luca Donchish, who's currently averaging 34.7 points per game and 10 assists. If they rise up the standings against like the four or five seed, which they're not getting to four. But if they can get to five or six,

there might be a push there. They'd have to get to third. They'd have to get to five. The other two guys who win the same conference and our like top three seats, there's no way that they would have to get honestly to four. You have to get somewhere comparable. They can't. Exactly.

That's why I just don't think that it's going to happen. Yeah. I love this talk because we're talking about this right now and no one has talked to, no one has mentioned the best team in the NBA, the Boston Celtics and Jason Tatum potentially taking this shit home. No one should be talking about him because I won't fucking roll for him either. That's what I thought. I thought this was going to be Tatum's year to get a scoring title, get MVP.

And he just hasn't. Yeah, it's not going to happen. he's not that guy not yet he doesn't want it bad enough anyways man i guess we've transitioned this to the point of the episode we're over an hour in we got a couple good rants it was fun i got real pissed off let's talk about the NBA midseason awards what we're all here for let's do it let's go man we are here we are going to decide not we're not predicting who we think are going to win it right now we're going to do strictly off the first 41 games or however many it is now we're a little bit past midseason point now strictly off of that sample size

who would win these awards if the season ended today. We're going to go through all the regular awards and then add a couple of our own to the end. Should be good. Yeah, I agree. There's going to be a lot of these awards where I feel like we're going to be in lockstep just because it's like, it's kind of straight to the point,

no real conversation outside of maybe two or three awards. But we're going to make this interesting regardless of the fact. Yeah. Let's start. Let's get the easy one either way first. MVP, are we all going Joel and Bede? That's the only right answer. Yeah, I guess

Yeah, he still qualifies Under this For our own Misseson of Wars We're not factoring games played At all out of principle Yeah, exactly We do right over here Tjamborant

Okay, now let's relax I'm joking But no It's got to be in beat right It's pretty clear cut I don't even We don't really don't even got to explain it One of the best corner seasons

of all time His team's been really good Great defensive season Great playmaking season He's been the best player This year Yeah he got it Yeah best player

by far so far this season one of the better teams in the entire NBA attempt easily you're not going to win the real award but at least you get the TG3 and midseason MVP that means something and Bid we will be sending you your sticker via mail just let us know what that PL box is

I will send you a quarter ride dad hat next let's get to a debate debatable one which wow debateful is not a word what the fuck that I'd just say you're in your bag right now debatable one rookie of the year Donovan I'll ask you first which way are you leaning

for the midseason award for Ricky the year I'm going with Wembe as my rookie of the year I wanted to hold on as long as possible for check because I wanted to give him credit

whenby over the last like month and a half two right six weeks he has been everything that he was advertised and putting up putting up full game numbers on a minute's restriction

and he's been unlocked and he looks like the number one overall pick he looks like the generational talent that we thought he was going to be even more so than what he looked like in the beginning part of the season I think it's very clear cut he's the guy right now

do y'all realize that Vitoa Minyama currently leads the league in blocks that is ridiculous and blocks per game he plays 28 minutes per game is up to that 3.1 blocks per game yeah that's during Jackson Jr. stuff 3.1 as a rookie like they're already atopped whatever rib protector he's amazing they're inflating

stats as this hasn't been this is an easy rookie of the year for me when let me not say easy it's an interesting conversation is a true conversation to have and i can understand and see some points and understand why people want to select home because of the insane impact that goes beyond his says his sexy statistical numbers that he has already. But Wembe is just the better player. I feel like we've lost the true meaning of like what rookie of the year means. This is not about like who has had better impact on the team. This is just simply about who is the best year one player in the entire NBA.

And Chet Holgerman is first real year playing in the NBA has been fantastic. And in every other regular NBA year, he would be the rookie of the year. but Chet, I mean, but Wembe is just genuinely a better basketball player on almost all levels of the core except for his three-point shooting which will eventually come around. The defense is ridiculous, the scoring.

It's been better too. It's ridiculous, rebounding. Like, whatever you want, the passing, insanely underrated. It's ridiculous. He's, there's no words that can be compiled and formed to describe what type of player that he is and how great of a season he's

having. Could you imagine if he's switch to Wemby and Chet Like if the Spurs had Chet And if the Thunder had Wembe They would be the favorite For the championship right now, right? Easily, easily Yeah, Wembe the month of January

24.5 points, 9.4 rebounds, 2.9 assists, 3.4 blocks, 52% from the field, 31 from 3, 81, 83% from the line, plus 8 on a tanking team so it's a positive plus minus. Clear rookie of the year. Come on.

You said it's a good debate, Mo. I'm interested to hear you guys' perspective on this I guess you just gave it to me because you picked Wemby but Chen is a unique candidate because normally record doesn't really matter because these players are always drafted to terrible teams so usually it just doesn't come into the conversation right

because if you're drafting the top four typically you suck ass you don't usually get drafted a team that has a first team all NBA guard that's like hard to do so normally we don't even think about team record so does that mean that you're going to throw that out because the precedent is it doesn't matter so you're like, whatever, I'm just going to look at the best player?

Or is Chet Holmgren just like a generational rookie of the year candidate because he's a legitimate quality player on a winning team that's helping be a contender? Like, does that give him a boost because nobody does that? Or does it not matter because nobody cares about that? No. Those things are true. Yes. A little bit of both.

I get it. I get it. I agree. And so, like, Chet had to take the year off. And last year, Chet was like going to be the guy. and it's like we're probably going to see this for the rest of their career like chet is going to be amazing and fantastic and we're like oh my god look at all these things that check and do and then you're going to change the channel and you're going to watch victor women yama play and you're going to be

like yo this is crazy like look at all the things he can do and it's that's why this rivalry that the NBA has already started started to try and make a thing between chet and and vick that's why it's going to be a thing because at the heart of hearts you kind of know wemby's better than than Chet. And we're really just waiting for Wembe to be able to have the stage to play as many minutes as Chet and to play on a team as good as Chet. Like if the Spurs were decent, everybody. And like Isaac's been saying this for the last three weeks.

The rest of the NBA media, like a lot of a lot of people who, you know, followed the NBA, they haven't necessarily caught up to how good Wemby's been. If the Spurs were the 9 seed, like if they were where the Rockets were, everybody in the league, everybody who are the casuals who watch the NBA, they would be talking about the Spurs and Wembe and how good he is. And oh my God, look at this guy, like, can't wait to get him in the playoffs. He's that guy. And I think right now it's very, very clear. You know who I said that the Orlando Magic in discourse are getting the benefit of being good month one and nobody realized they've fallen off a little bit because nobody watches him? Wemby has the universe.

He has the downside of he was struggling a little bit month one and people stop watching him watching the Spurs and then he'll realize he's become an legitimate goon now. I don't know. People, I've been calling me

a Wemby Glazer a lot in the TikTok comments because I'm like, pay attention, he's insane. I think he might be like a top 20 to 25 player already. Is that crazy? I wouldn't say that is in...

Okay, now that is crazy. Now you are Glazer. You're worse than that. All I'm saying, all I'm saying is how many how many defenders right now are again take him out of the spur system how many defenders right now are you taking over victor women yama like two i don't know anthony davis let's yonis maybe go bear and then wemby it's a it's a very very short list and we've seen already we've seen already when you when you take somebody who's

playing, who's supposed to be playing power forward and you put them at point guard. If you give him a regular NBA point guard, right, backup point guard, very mid, this is the kind of, of production that you can give when you put him at his normal position, when you give him a competent player. If you put Victor Wenbiyama in a situation where he has good players around him and people have to worry about everybody else on the floor, I genuinely think that we would be talking about him as like the way we were talking about Zion last year we would be talking about Wemby that way

and next year we 100% are going to be doing that like he 1000% top 15 is not if we're just going like pound for pound take away everything else I don't think it's crazy I don't think it's crazy going into next season to talk about it oh for sure next season I can get it right now 15's a little high I'm getting a little high with 20 just like like Anthony Edwards might be like 14 or 15 so like

give it some time next year we'll have those convos for sure but right now if you tell me he's like the 21st best player in the league like talk to me in july talk to talk to me in july you guys are going to hate me in july same who's the most who who what do i say without being disrespectful how much better right now is bam out of bio than victor woman yama i think jaron jrne jrne is the better answer right now because i think he's better than jaren he's clear he's clear he's

wow i don't care he clears jaren wow how much better is bam than victor mimeyama right now a little bit is he better than vim yama right now yeah i'll give bam the slight nod and that's only because of what i've seen him do it exactly that's literally the only reason why that's literally the only reason why if victor mianamo is a part of the might be oh my god they might i don't like this and i'm gonna sound crazy to some people i'm gonna sound nuts because people find it crazy to give a rookie who hasn't done anything that type of respect but there's no to wait. Same reason we didn't wait in year two when Luca Donchich was clearly like

a top 10 player already averaging 28, 9 and 9. We don't need to wait for Wembe. He's clearly already on that level of being a low-level All-Star. He's not going to get it because the team's ass and he's a minute restriction. But he is that good already. Don't be a person that tries to wait just because you need to see it happen more. It's fine. He's that guy.

Top 15 is coming. It's on the way. It's on the way. So what it sounds like is that like you guys aren't even considering Chet for real or do you guys think that there's like a valid argument for him? For sure it is. Yeah.

Like I said, you could argue, if you want to argue that he's a special rookie of the year because he can be the second or third best player on a title contender and you give it to him, I don't have any issues with that. Yeah. And also, Chet has come in and also been the anchor to one of the best defenses in the league. He's legitimately provided the thunder with a next level ceiling. like everything that they needed uh last year chet hungren has come in he's provided spacing for them he's providing elite room protection like there there there's a difference between like rookie of the

year and who we just think in a vacuum is a better player but what chet has done this year should it shouldn't be scoffed at like and i and even though that even though that i'm picking wimby i don't want to make it seem like i'm disrespect to anything that chet has done because he's been legitimately fantastic this year also i agree if we're doing this for just first half after the year, he's ended today. Chet's hit kind of a rookie wall for the last five or six games. He's kind of been struggling.

Of the last five games, he's had single digit points and four of them. Four points against Minnesota, nine points against Detroit, eight points against Portland. He's just tired. It's a rookie wall thing.

And this happens with almost every rookie. It's hard to play 82 games when you just came out of college and you played, what was their season? Like 35 or something? It's 33, 34. Yeah.

It's a long season before the All-Star break that typically happens. Vic hasn't had that issue mostly because he's on a minst restriction. so there's that I'm happy we can move on

the next award we can move on next award let's do an easy one defensive player of the year give it to Rudy two one

Rudy go bear give it to Rudy give it to Rudy yep the only debate early in the season was potentially Anthony Davis

because the Lakers were profiling like a top defensive team they're fucking not at all so it's not in a conversation

anymore it's so easily Rudy go bear this is why you go this is why the front office wanted to go ahead and give away them boatload of picks for Rudy Gobert. Now, did they overpay so? Maybe a little bit, but who cares? They got what they

wanted. They have a newfound team identity. Rudy Gobert is a second best player on that team in terms of impact. The main reason why they're just like on another level good. We've seen this type of good built around Rudy Gobert before with the Utah Jazz is because of his defense and how they decide to funnel everything towards this dude who has some of the greatest instincts seen before has been able to move his feet, obviously not, he's not guards, like, Curry or anything like that on this basis, but in terms of just like

being able to keep up and making those swift adjustments and turning his hips, one of the best in the league, and he's deterring almost every shot that comes his way. He is definitely the defensive player. Facts. They have a 108.6 defensive rating in 2024.

Second place, Boston, is 111. That's a huge gap between 1 and 2. That's crazy. He's so easily that. But I want to know is who do you think is going to finish second and third? Because I think it might be at this rate O. G. Anobey and Jared Allen. Which is crazy, right? O'Donio. I think. I think O.G. get second. Yeah. I think we've seen, we've seen a push in the last couple of years of people trying to give like wing defenders a little bit more love. And O.G. also has been fantastic. He's come on to the Knicks and been amazing defensively. So like it tracks out. But there hasn't been

like when it's clear cut everyone's going to be like all right Rudy he's he's DPO why who else can I give love to and then OG's probably going to fill that fill that void 100% and the Cavs are third in defense right now with Evan Mobley out most of the year Jared Allen's been amazing I think Jared Allen might slip into that top three that is a lot of season to happen though so who knows yeah yeah exactly I agree me personally I don't think I would put OG on Ninobe like number two

just because of you know he hasn't been on the Knicks the entire season and there was like a good 25, 30 games or whatever it was to where like no one was having these conversations about him. But I'm happy that everyone is like, I know, I agree. I mean by the end of the year though, not right now. Like so when he will have played like 55 games with him. Yeah, that's, that's fair. I think I still think it might be, personally, I would do it for like, okay, you have to do it

for the entire of the season. Maybe I'm a master, but that's just what I'm doing. Yeah, your best. It is what it is. But it is what it is. I see what you mean. but I think he's a special case because what they

the turnaround they made is so absurd like by the time the year comes around yeah exactly and it'll have been like 55 games you know like he played

with the Raptors he was still a good defender like he wasn't like hurt so I can see him getting on there I think that's a fair as hasn't let's move on to the next award six man of the year

who do you guys have this is a mid off if I haven't seen one before I'm not gonna lie to you usually there's like a clear cut oh my god this guy's coming in different this year

type of six man of the year and it's just like a whole lot of meh all around the league and we've seen the story before uh six man of the year award is typically someone who just gets hella buckets coming off of the bench it's like the lou williams Jamal croffer and as a late like jordan clarkson award and some of the top candidates this year guys like tim hardaway junior bogdan bogdanovitch and uh jordan clarkson again could be up there i wish i could give it to someone like Nas Reid, but his numbers haven't been the sexiest as of late, and he just doesn't qualify in terms of what this award has been about over the last few years. So me personally, I think I might just, I might lean towards Tim Hardaway, Jr.

Even though I want to give it to Bogdaner, it's on the Hawks. Correct. Tim Hardaway Jr. is the correct pick, and he is my pick. I agree. Good job, Tim. That's it. Clean sweep. That's it. There you go. He's currently averaging 18.7 points for game, Luca Donchrist has missed some time, Kyrie Irving's missed some time. They don't have a ton of guard depth around that, and Tim Hardaway has been rock steady there, being the second guard or third guard,

depending on who's available, and it's been great for them. He's having a really strong shooting season, getting to the rim than he better than does in usual seasons. He's obviously not a great defensive player, but this is a points for game award, so literally it's all that matters for voters. He's in buckets. Yeah, as of late, he's been

absolutely snapping, Clinton up 36, 19, 13. 17 and 20 he's been absolutely open and tonight i believe he played too he had a great game as well so this is his award congratulations to you sir shout out you next award who is y'all's most improved player this is kind of interesting uh i think immediate candidates tyrese maxi should be like the top dude obviously but after that jalen johnson deserves a couple not because of the just dramatic leap that no one saw upcoming, but Tyrese, this award has him run all over it. Yeah, this is another one in the media.

Everyone decided this month one. He hasn't given us any reason to change it. He's made a legit star leap that has honestly saved the team. You know, we all thought the 76ers were going to slip a little bit after losing James Hardin. It didn't happen because Tyrese filled those shoes wonderfully, easily his award, I think. Good job, Tyrese.

We're proud of you. If nobody tells you, the deep three is proud of you, Tyrese. yeah you agree donovan yeah yeah i agree that's my pay yeah one more traditional award before we get to our couple of different ones who's coached the year this was interesting i don't know if you want to spend a ton of time talking about coaches but there's a handful of legit candidates this year yeah i would i would say for me chris finch is my coach is my coach of the year i think a lot of times with you it comes with who do you think is going to be trash in the off season and then it's actually good.

And I think Chris Finch fits that mold perfectly. Like there's other guys in terms of like in season turnarounds. Like Tyrone Loo honestly should be in top three because of the turnaround that they've had, right, Jamal Mosley, depending on what you thought of the magic preseason. But Chris Finch in the hand that the Timberwolves were dealt and a lineup that we all thought was legitimately flawed and that they could not be. a top 16, let alone fight for the best defense in the league and the number one seat in the Western Conference, they have stepped up, you know, passed and surpassed all expectations.

I think he's been fantastic this year. He would be my pick. Yeah. And personally, I think I'd want to lean towards Chris French, but at the same time, I cannot ignore what Mark Dagnall has been doing for OKC this year, transforming their defense and their offense. no one none of the three of us at least

thought that okay c would be a top two team Nikiel Nikil putting his hand up okay Nikol we see you no one thought that they would be this elite so early into their quote unquote rebuild if we still want to call it

that the way with how creative he's been offensively and how he's been utilizing Chris or Chet Holmgram and Chase doing Shay things but also like having Isaiah Joe do the important thing that he's been doing like this team is working beautifully and he's one of the more creative coaches in the entire NBA shout out to you will

hearty too I put him up there but I think he did I think will not my bad I think Mark Dagnall deserves like a heavy not for sure he's not my winner but yeah I'm going back I'm going Mark Dagnold I understand Chris Finch in terms of we we do I think we were just wrong with Timberwolves I think we were just wrong about their players honestly I think Rudeaubert wasn't quite healthy last year. Now he is. We're in the full Rudy Gaubert effect and that's the biggest difference. And they just, they got better because of time getting better with each other and everything. I don't think that he isn't that a bad job by any means. He's been a good coach. If he finished his top two, I'm cool with that. But I think, you know, there's a reason we talk about their

offense being so worrisome a lot. I don't think he's in a particularly creative job making to work offensively. You know, they're like 21st in offense for most of the year. Doesn't really move me. Defensively, I think a lot of that is really go bear rather than coaching. Then you look at Mark Dagnol, and I think it's just as impressive to be this good with this young of a roster, especially when your second best player is a literal rookie and your third best player is a second year player. That's just as impressive as making a work with the lineup that we thought was really flawed. And to be elite offensively and defensively, be incredibly creative with all the stuff he does, he's one of the pioneers of guard on guard

picking roles, guard setting screens for bigs. They just have incredibly creative offense that I think is more attributable to coaching. I think he puts his players in positions to succeed extremely well and I don't really know if Chris Finch he's not bad at that but you know he's not doing like an above and beyond version of that

getting the most out of Jaylon Williams using him in really smart lineups getting the most out of Lou Dorr's been great Isaiah Joe's been great he's using Chet Holmgren in really smart ways with the ball in his hands I just think it's a little bit more impressive than what Chris Finch is doing

I mean I can agree to that but at the same time Rigo Bear wasn't healthy I agree but also I think something else the point I was like, Kat wasn't there for majority in season two. And seeing with the way, how he's been using those two. We're seeing Carl Anthony Towns, Urugu Bayer, Pick and Rolls, that is insane.

Seeing how he's been putting Carl Anthony Towns and positions to make decisions is insane to me. And that's something that I did not see. And it's one of the most important parts of the Timberwols. And it's why they haven't been like the worst offense in the NBA. Because if Kat wasn't doing the type of things or put in that like role man position, to go ahead and make all these decisions and hit certain passes that I knew I thought he had I thought he had the potential to do but seeing him do on a consistent basis is just insane to me um but I personally want to lean Chris Chris Finch because of the history of it we haven't seen

we haven't seen the Timberwolves be this good since fucking 2004 Isaac they haven't been this good since you were like four or five years old dude the last time we seen Timber was this good the iPhone wasn't even out there was so much in society that hasn't been developed. Search for a drop, search for a pool. Yeah. Hell yeah, bro. Like, there's so much is going on and I'm like, regardless of the fact.

I don't know. Usher, Usher made his song, yeah, during that year, bro. They exactly said 50 Cent. Usher ain't make that song. It's all coming back to you now. Like Toy Soldiers came out that year. Yeah, I agree. Again, he's top two.

I'm not mad at the pick, but you said this stuff, the reason the cat stuff is working is why they're not a worst offense in the league. great the 21st. I don't think that's a huge elevation and I'm like impressed by that. I think it's been good enough but not overtly impressive. And also Timberwell's fans

don't even feel like he's doing a good job. Like they're actually all the time like I wish you would do more creative stuff on offense. They have a lot of issues with them that I think Thunder's fans' biggest gripes is Josh Giddy's playing too much and that they haven't traded for a big man.

So like I think the Thunder are one of the rare fan bases I like their coaches. Almost nobody does. Yeah, that's true. But at the same time, heels are kind of fucked in terms of just like assets and more moves being potentially made. So I can't fully shame Chris Finch because I just think he's gone the most out.

I don't shame him at all. Yeah, exactly. Again, he's second and coached his year to me. So it's the same thing we always view. We're debating incredibly close subjective things. I'll go to war for Chris Finch. Try me. Go ahead.

I'm not going to war for either of these motherfuckers. You can have it. All right, that's the end of the regular awards. We have two more awards you're going to add on to here. You guys want to start with negativity or positive? Negativity. That's not even an answer or a question. Donovan's getting mostly to be.

It's what we do. You've been too quiet for, you've been quiet for 10 minutes, Donovan. Let's get your hatred thriving. Listen, I'm honestly good. I just think like the coach of the year stuff is just interesting because I, like, Nickio has the odds pulled up right now. And like, honestly, like Nick Nurse is too far down the list for me. Like Nick Nurse would be a top-line candidate for me, right?

Tyron Lou will. be a top five candidate for me and they're all the way down at like seven or eight and stuff like that i'm telling me that first month clout bro i know listen mazula joh mazula being above tyron loo will hardy nick nurse all three of those guys that's actually ridiculous but like that yeah the the culture of the year stuff is really really preseason expectations who's able to to outpace those a little bit more and i'm just mad at the thunder because I genuinely thought that they were going to be really, really good. But whenever we had our predictions,

I just wasn't willing to stand on it and say that, like, I actually thought that this team would take the leap. And now we're here. And I was like, dang, I could have been ahead of the curve. So I didn't think Chad Holmberin was to come in a complete

transform their defense. So I was not expecting this whatsoever. I wasn't even like scared. I told you all in our centers rating. I had Chad and Victor Wominiamma immediately as better than half the centers. it in the league like I had you're on the money to them I had full confidence in them but I didn't I didn't stand on it when it came time to it there you go man I respect it okay next award who is the most disappointing player in the NBA this year who wins the scammer of the

year award for ruining what we thought would be coming for their career scammer of the year I'm from Atlanta so I think I deserve to get my first candidates all right so we have okay Jordan Poole good God you bless us some of the greatest low lights of all time. And I had faith in you. Isaac had faith in you. I had you as my MIP the year. That did not come into fruition at all.

You are one of the worst players in the NBA. You have, you are in terms of plus minus. You're ranked 575th the entire NBA. That is ridiculous, bro. That is disgusting, bro. So many players have been in and out. So that's kind of skewed a little bit, but I don't care. It doesn't matter.

It goes with my narrative. Just straight up, shame. Number two. Okay, you know, Jordan Poolew. Wait, it's going on. Go on, boy, Donovan. Who's your next one? Listen, I also live in a city where scammers are very prevalent.

So there's one, there's one who is the scammer of them all. That's Jalen Green. Jalen Green's out here stealing money from the Houston Rockets right now. He has been, he has been off. Do you know how bad it is for a number two overall pick, right? Number two, yeah, for a number two overall pick to loki be on the trade block within your first contract the whole team is young right they finally got adults it they finally got adults in the building this year and you are trying to build with a young core and they're like nah the dude who

can jump higher than everybody has all the flashes in the world was scoring 30 doing all this they gave him the offense for two years and now they're like uh i don't think you're going to be part of our future right now you're stealing money right and you're stealing time from other people on the on the bench you're scammer of the year he that was funny i you see say that. I also, my video I dropped, I also said Jalen Green is one of the players is the most approved because he's been so ass. He has 31 points tonight against the Pelicans. Okay, this is not a heater as of the

dude. No, no, no, no, hold on, hold on. This is how he scans. He does this every year. Two days ago, two days ago, he had 34 against the Lakers. Two days before that, 36 against the Hornets, and two days of for that, 29 against the Trailblazers. All those teams can't defend for shit. He is running it up on

these terrible defenses. I hope for his sake, he continues it. Don't bind to the hype yet. does this every year. There's a two to three week stretch every single season where Jalen Green puts everything together, everything starts falling and he starts averaging like 24

to 27 somewhere in that range. He starts going crazy. The highlight dunks are flying and you're like, oh my gosh, Jalen Green he's here. Like he's a building block and then we repeat the cycle all again. He's a perpetual scammer. This is, it's cyclical. So, no, I've

seen your game, Jalen. I know what you're about. I, I, I really wanted to be good. So I'm hoping it's real and he's picking stuff out. But I know. I don't know. Isaac, who's next on this game?

Yeah. I've seen... I don't know how you guys didn't pick this player, honestly, relative to expectations. This is the fucking Zion Williamson Award. Oh, no, I knew that. This is the Zion Williamson Award, man.

Last year, he was legitimately one of the 10 best players in the league when healthy. 15 at worst, whatever you want to rank him, looking like an MVP candidate. Told you about that. This year he came in.

It just has not worked. schematic with the team, too many cooks in the kitchen, whatever you want to say, whatever the reason is, he hasn't been nearly as effective. He hasn't been nearly as locked at effort-wise, especially on defense. He had the fitness issues to start the year. He's out of shape. Now he's played himself into shape, and he has some really strong games where you see glimpses of that, but it's nowhere near as consistent. He's not empowered on the team. He hasn't taking the reins to do that. Clearly, he's not buying into that, like, leadership ball you need if you want to be the type of player. Again, the question is, does he want it bad enough?

and that's fucking mind-boggling to come from somebody who we all think has a talent to be one of the best players in the league. What is he going to try on defense? He's never going to, he's never going to try on defense. Something, I think

Zion's name deserves to be brought up but I wouldn't give him all of the blame because the Pelicans are still in that process of figuring themselves out and Willie Green has just not done the best job in my opinion of putting these guys together even though they're like, I don't know, the six, seven seed, as in the making of this podcast. But he hasn't been empowered.

They're certainly playing a style of basketball that doesn't favor or empower him earlier this season. He was out here saying, I'm just trying my hardest to buy in when the New Orleans Pelicans were down in the dumps and had a sub 500 record. And so, but with that being said, a lot of the things you said are still very valid coming into the season, just looking like that and not having that same burst and having the same. old story making all your naysayers to seem right after you just give us the most casual 26 and 7 season 27 and 7 season a couple years ago with ease is just like we feel robbed as fans he hasn't been terrible at all you say hasn't been Jordan pool he hasn't been jailing green but it's just relative to expectations we thought he'd come into this year and be dominant and make this team a contender if he's healthy has not been the case yeah I think that's that's

That's okay to say. I wouldn't put, I don't think this award belongs to him because there's other candidates that I have. Chicago's front office. That's, this is more than one person, the entire front office, every single person in there. Isaac, you said earlier that there was some, some type of quote that came out the other day from leadership that said that they weren't interested in really blowing everything up and they wanted to stand packed with their court, scamming every single fan in the entire NBA

because we're over here fucking wasting our time. Talking about Zach Levine trades, Alex Caruso trades, you know, and just going over here and sit on your hands and ruin the potential rebuild, the rebuild that you should be headed towards. You're scamming everyone. You're wasting your times. They are. We've been putting in hours in the paint on Fanspo, ESPN trade machine when it comes to figuring out who Alex Caruso is going to, who's, who's, what team is going to pick up Alex Caruso? It just, it's just, it sucks. It sucks.

He deserves it. they deserve this is this is a different level of scamming though this is like the masai ujiri scammer of the year award right like there's a there's front offices that scam yeah my bad there's front offices that scam and then there's players that scam and another player that is scammer of the year listen grant williams you sir are a scammer you came out you got the bag you played well for 15 games and you have not done anything since. Scammer of the year candidate, right? That is a high name.

He might be the real one. He really, he really might. Yeah, man. A lot of good candidates here. I think Jordan Poole is a great pick. But there's a scammer title. I like Grant Williams. Yeah, I think Grant Williams.

He legitimately just took money and just ran off and was like, all right, I'm out of here. I'll see you all later. He might be the one. Thanks. All right, man. That's enough negativity. One more award before we get to TikTok time.

Who is your offensive player of the year? A little bit different than MVP. Strictly offensive player of the year. Doesn't necessarily got to be a line of a team success. You know, it's just like DPOY, who is the best offensive player to you right now? I think this is a pretty easy answer. And this award has Luca Dantzic written all over it.

35, basically, 9 rebounds and damn near 10 assists per game. His numbers are ridiculous. And not enough people are talking about. right now for obvious reasons of course but damn is there obvious reasons I think he's insane and like I said this I saw flunch this take a month ago that I'm like we had one question for every team episode and I was like my question is how long until he's the best player in the league he need to be in these conversations with the top three big men like he's absolutely insane one of the most all around gifted office of players you've seen in

I don't know how long I don't want to say all time and throw myself into a loop in the corner I don't know very rare gift of volume scoring and passing obviously the 73 point game is a cherry on top he's easily the best guard in the league right now yeah he he has that title he would be my pick as well

I think for somebody for somebody to score 70 points and then Luca to come back and be like wait not only can I score more points than you but I can also nearly have a double double and almost have 10 assists to go along with it that's crazy right Like, that's actually wild.

And I held off when we did our play rankings. I held off and I still had Steph Curry above Luca Donchitz. Man, Luca has, he's past him. We fucked up. We fucked up. I did the same thing immediately regretted it. He's past. You convinced me not to when we talked about it.

We were at a guitar singer beforehand. And I told you and you're like, no, man, go Steph. And I was like, okay. You asked me why. And I told you vibes. Like, that's literally the only reason why. Because there's sometimes, and I haven't necessarily seen it as much this year. The ref complaining is still there.

But there were times last year where Luca's body language was so, so bad. And obviously, they're winning a lot more this year, right? The situation's different. And so you're not seen that as much. But what he's able to do on a night-to-night basis with a team that for years, right, even after they got Kyrie, we've said they don't have a lot of help. help around him and he has been able to elevate them to a point where they are competitive and if they go into any playoff series you feel like they have a chance because for four five

seven games Luca can black out an average 45 in the series and it's guys it's incredible guys for the last four years since Luca Donchers was 20 years old and he came into year two averaging 28.8 points per game and 8.8 assists the prevailing talking point was as soon as this guy's three-point shot starts to fall if you think it can, he's going to be unfuck withable. This year, he is shooting 10.3, three-point attempts a game on the hardest shot diet you could possibly imagine. They're almost all, a massive majority of them are off the dribble, 37.5%. I don't know if you will realize this is one of the most impressive three-point shooting seasons we've ever seen when you think about volume and shot difficulty. He's having one of the best

two-point shooting years like ever, which is like pretty much every best three-point shooting year ever is in the modern NBA. So, like, we're constantly seeing that. But he's up there. Like, we talk about James Hardin as low-key being one of the best shooters ever because all his stepbacks and how difficult his shots are. Lucas doing the same thing Prime Harding did. Like, this is an insane season.

Ten attempts of a game? That's nuts. Yeah, no, Lucas is simply different. If he's not your offensive player of the year, I guess you can have someone like Yolkich or whatever, which is completely fair. But the top of season that Luke is having, he generally deserves this award.

Um, he's, I think the second that he has a respectable defense around him and he's just not getting like ran down every single night and people aren't treating him also like, like, as a doormat, everybody just stepping on him on the defensive end. I think that's when everybody realized like, okay, he's been fine defensively. He's been a dormant. Um, no, he has not. He's been a good defensive. He's been fine. No, no. I just think that's simply false.

But I think the second that everyone else helps him out on that end and the, the, you know, he's not. and the Dallas and Mavericks have that identity or closer to it being just like mid, then I think that's when we'll have conversations about like, okay, he needs, he deserves this time, period, this season to be the best player of the year. Best player of the world.

I'm ready for the league. 75% at the rim. That's crazy. That's the best for any point guard in the league. Yeah, I agree. When was this? That was the other day. Yeah.

Nice. A block is nice. No. He's having a decent. you know, you need a, he's having a solid defense season. He's much improved on that end. No, he's not, I'm not saying, I think, okay. The Lutrox.

Yeah. He, no, he just is. You're wrong. He's very much improved. Like, he's not like, Shay where I'm like, he's a legitimately really strong defender. That's like part of the reason, okay, C's defense is great. He's not a dormant anymore. I think this is just an objective thing.

I don't think I'm wrong, bro. It's an objective thing. This is just the eye test versus eye test. How many look at minutes have you watched compared to me? The world will never know. If only I wish League Pass had like a Spotify rap thing

So we can lock how much You saw this team Joe they actually League P's come out with that shit That would be so hard And you're gonna see him a sicko For watching 22 maps games this year I'd be a sickle for other things bro

They'd see how much I'd be watching teams Like the Atlanta Hawks God damn it still even though They're in the trenches right now Your favorite team? Oh no Sicko What a sicko It's down bad

It's down bad It's down bad I shouldn't be watching right now Like damn you watched Half a game of the Pistons this year That's what I'm talking 24 minutes That's girls right

Yeah man Sounds like a clean sweep for Luca Donchich And that's the end of our midseason Award show Crayon Naders It's time to rejoice It is TikTok What is this slow clap?

That sounds crazy We are here We are here We are here This is what some of them been waiting for We need it. Let's put on this generational performance, fellas. Welcome on TikTok time.

As always, we're going to begin with the draft. This time we're going to get back to doing a player draft where we build the best player possible. But with a little bit of a twist, we're going to build the most fun player to watch possible, not the most skilled with any type of qualification, just strictly the most fun to watch. Building demigods.

Okay, let's do it. I am real simple. Mo first pick, Donovan's second pick, me third pick. League Pass Warriors, here we go. There you go. So you know how it goes, y'all. Y'all know by now. You don't need any more explanation.

Let's build the most fun NBA players to watch possible. Mo, where are we going with the first pick? Bro, I am spoiled with the first pick. I got body shooting, handles, passing, finishing. I can go literally anywhere with it. But fuck all that shit. Give me the 7-4 demigod wembody. I can do anything in the world.

That's a great starting point for any player. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I see where you're going. But I'm actually going to get, listen, give me the greatest under the rim finisher that we've ever seen. Give me the best layup package of all time, Kyrie Irving for finishing. I know the cheat code pick.

You can't go wrong there. Yeah. Okay. I see you. That's hard. I'm not. I can't hit on it. You can't.

I'm going to go. I'm going to give recognition to somebody who was on one that can't talk. I'm going to give recognition. to somebody on the best team in the league, give me Jalen Brown's handles. Nice, strong left. Elite two-wayway. I fuck with it.

Okay. Smooth? I fuck with it. That's a double-pick. Now, listen, this person has underrated handles for a long time, but give me Steph Curry's handles. Oh, interesting to not pick and shooting. Hmm.

Interesting. It's okay. Okay. Wait, I was supposed to double pick? Are you doing Snake? Yeah, I was. You fucking skip me. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, wow. So you just want to run your shit back, Isaac? Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to follow it up. I need some size on me. Give me Grant Williams' body. Listen, stocky.

That's strong. That's strong right now. Yeah, listen. Okay. I'm going strength. Okay. He has a lot of cushion on his body. Protect yourself from a lot of falls.

I see the vision. I see that. Cushing. Got tush. All right. So I have the greatest lay package of all time. Give me the best shooting package of all time. Give me Steph Curry shooting. Oh, got you. I like that. Okay. The best finishing with the best shooting possible.

Like that's such a crazy start for a guard. I'm already here. This is an and one mixtape waiting to happen. This is this is Twitter's favorite. Your TikTok views are through the roof. Yeah, no, that's sick as hell. That is insanely sick. So I guess some one of the better things that I could do in this case is shooting. Go ahead and give me, give me Devin Booker. Very underrated. Okay. Nice three level shooter. I see you. Okay. It's not bad. It's not bad. I need some elevation on my day. A little Kobe cosplay. Something about that sounds suss. Yeah. It's not, but it's adjacent. It's your mind. It's not. It's just you, man. I'm broken. Yeah. Oh, is it me again too? Fuck, I forgot. Let's run. All right.

So I got handles, passing, and finishing left. Damn, I have a lot of good options. But really, I think I'm going to go ahead and roll with Nicole Yokit's passing. I'm unguarded and the passes that I'd be whipping and throwing behind my big, behind my head, behind the back. But it's he the most fun passer. Exactly. I'm letting you know this right down. You kind of sold because one, give me.

Give me Janice's body. Okay. Okay. Now you're a cheat code. Now you make no sense. Come on, guys. Steal the draft. But you got to steal the draft.

I got the next one. Give me Michael Porter Jr. passing. Michael Porter Jr. passing. Okay. He would be swinging that rock. He swings that.

Minute for minute when he pulls it out, Elite. Oh. Nice. Okay. Oh, shit. Okay. That's kind of crazy. That's kind of crazy.

All right. Whoa there, buddy. Exactly. Listen, Mo, you have Yokic passing. Give me. I have back-to-back picks. Oh, no. Settle down.

My bad, my bad, my bad. And I'm going to follow it up. Jeremy Sohan shooting. Hmm. This guy's taking my picks, man. There's not a lot of players who can shoot that base of one with one hand. And he's one of the few. I respect you.

No one's what I knew. Listen, that is more fun to watch. And it's kind of fun. Nobody doesn't like him. I see it. I appreciate individuality. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Okay. So for my passing, though, you have Yokitimo. Give me Luca Donchich passing. All right. We're cooked. Yeah. There's no, there's no fucker with that. God damn it. All right. It's cool, though. So I think the only thing that makes sense for finishing, go ahead and give me actually, screw at for i want handles first who has some of the most fun handles in the entire NBA i don't think

you can go wrong yeah i don't think you go wrong go ahead and give me oh shit damn there's so many good players right now that i can think about i'll take one give me lamello ball for handles i need to be on house of highlights all over the place give me lamella ball handles listen sprinkling lamello into your player in some way is a easy way to win a most fun chic is an easy way him in a, damn. And easy way to win the most fun draft. Listen, you have one pick where you can go to the moon right now.

Do not. Donovan, stop trying to skip everybody. No, I'm telling me. Oh, my bad. I'm not about it. I'm not about it. It goes on edge. PTSD.

That's hilarious. You get out for no reason. All right. Cool. So for finishing, even though I'm 7'4, I want to jump out the gym and I want to just go ahead and slam everything possible.

Give me John Moran finishing So doesn't make sense But it makes sense Okay, that's the deal with the draft I'll say that how did I not get picked yet There we go Listen I'm already in this Demigal body

I can shoot from 40 feet I have the jelly package I don't even need crazy handles All I need is a simple crossover Give me Kevin Durant's handles Ah interesting Okay I like that

And y' y'all Yeah I don't know how to let this pop pop what come on now you give no bag man a bag exactly now we're talking

now we're talking I don't know how you let this fall to me I won this shit give me Kyle Lowry's finishing at the room this is strong this is strong

you're cooked Kyle Larry one of the most unstoppable finishers in the NBA I don't know what we're doing right now it's my player I got Grant William's body

Jeremy Sohan shooting Jailen round handles, Michael Port Jr. passing, and Kyle Lowry finishing. Listen, I'd love to see what this player looks like. I think, I think you accomplished the mission because I need to see this player play on a nightly basis. I have, this looks like, most player in 2K. Thanks.

Oh, God. Listen, okay, so for my player, I have Janice Body, Steph Curry shooting, Kevin Durant handles, Luca Donchage passing, Kyrie Erring finishing. guys I think I've won back-to-back drafts I think I got it yeah slow down there buddy you're taking that YouTube chat pull to heart they told me I won I won I won

I will say they told me I won the stream before that and all the comments on Twitter and TikTok said Mo won actually so they got split brain man we have a bunch of crayon years watching it listen I'm successful last last time I saw Donovan's last time I saw Donovan's

draft I was like damn he won that shit when deep down I feel like I would have won so I'm all over the place too but body wemby shooting debook

handles lamello passing yokic and finishing job I like it there we go y'all we accomplished a mission three incredibly fun players to watch

let's do next video we're gonna do let's jump straight into the tier list let's jump straight to the tier list let's go today we are going to put NBA buzzer beaters into a tier list okay

Hey, this is kind of interesting because all of them, you win the game. Like, this is, it seems kind of. Exactly. So you would think that all be like inherently S. What we're going to do is we're going to put them in the tier list based on how impressive they were. So not all game winning shots are made equal in terms of difficulty, flashingness, whatever. That is true. Or is carrying heavy in this for me, bro. What was your, what was your celebration looking like afterwards?

What was that post-game interview looking like afterwards? Did your teammates celebrate with you? We will see. Good point. All right. So there we go. Let's put these NBA buzzer beaders into a tier list. First off, 2016, Steph Curry versus OKC.

Oh, my God. This is S tier. This is the first ever Mike Green double bang that we've ever heard on air. This is iconic. This is legendary. It's S tier. It's honestly one of the greatest of all time, I think. He gave so many OKC fans that night a heart attack.

He gave me as a 15-year. year old boy in high school trauma deep trauma I hated this man after he did that God damn it winning everything fuck but this is PTSD via Steph Curry three point shot that's crazy yeah listen this saved the 73 and nine

season I hate it I hate it for sure next up LeBron in 2018 versus the Timberwolves when he caught the ball in the post entry pass and hit the fadeaway shot

ah this was cool this was gonna be Butler it was good I think the game was better than the shot right because the game was like overtime it's a nice shot difficult shot good job LeBron but

if the Steph Curry one is S tier this is about a B yeah good good B in terms of difficulty like I mean it was a hard shot in general for sure but it wasn't that hype afterwards I think he kind of hit it off the bank too it wasn't a clear Swiss that I remember

so it's like eh didn't really move and he did not call bank Next up, Damien Lillard versus the O KC Thunder in the playoffs Right over Paul George Oh my goodness Also S tier Mo This is a clear S tier

Him barking back and forth with Western Westbrook And having PG-13 say That was a bad shot out there after the game That was sick, that was cold, never seen before S-tier The wave-off iconic Damien Lillard moment I said the Curry ones win the greatest of all time

This is right up there with it To win a playoff series To take a step back from 37 feet To wave off To have the meme afterwards Listen this checks every Dame time It checks every single box

This is STA Damien Louis was Teflon for the rest of his career after this This is a career defining moment Nothing else matters after this bro You're set in stone in NBA history Yep Next up, Jason Tatum versus the Nets in the playoffs. Oh, hell, no.

I want to put this as a C. That spinning left. He's spinning around like Pascal Seacom. He went Bayblade mode. Yeah, it's just a weak layup. It's just bad defense. Like, how do we just get a wide open layup? This is terrible.

Layup games winners are some of the worst game winners in NBA, bro. They're fake game, not fake game winners, but they just don't hit the same, bro. It wasn't, it was hard, but it's like, come on, man. Like there's no aura to this whatsoever. There's no, hey, hey, no hezies, there's no none. The further your shot is in the rim, the more aura it has. I'm fine with C. Yeah, C for sure.

Good job. Next up, Paul Pierce saying, I called game. Go to L. This is hard. This is hard. No, it's not. F? How do you move?

You know why I'm hating? Oh, yeah, yeah, because he did this against the Atlanta Hawks. Put this in A. Put this in A. This is, this is all. Paul Pierce past the Brooklyn Nets he was running on one leg came back and hit a game winner and gave an iconic quote this is a yes just off of like this is an a strictly because you don't expect this era Paul Pierce to be doing this type of shit

pure surprise he was not expecting to take that last shot and he nailed that shit got to be a on the team with Bradley Bill and John Wall Paul Pierce had to save the day come on guys and they kind of quote to go along with it too. He traveled, didn't count. Hugs sucking. Shut up. They suck in every error. Lame. Next up. Kauai Leonard's four-bounced shot versus the 76ers.

Oh, man. He sent and Bede home crying quite literally, bro. This is an S-tier because he's single-handedly ruined in Bid's playoff reputation. If this shot didn't go in and Bid would be going to the conference finals and would not be dealing with half the slack he deals with now. And I think that's hilarious. That is true. That is true. Off a straight luck.

Off a straight four bounces. That is the luckiest and also most accurate game winning shot of all time. Yeah. And led to a chip too. The implications are crazy. In a game seven? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Stakes couldn't be higher. Yeah. For the series, this has to be a S tier. Love it. Next up. Wendell Carter's tip-in shot. When did he do this? He did his last year.

He had a game winner off of a tip-in where Markle Fultz also jumped for it and Wendell Carter stole the game-winning tip-in from him. Boo! Boo! This is weak. Now Wendell, we're not giving you an F because you are Wendell.

You're still a great player. But in terms of aura, it doesn't move us, bro. Tipping game winners? No aura. All right, what about? Luca Donch's step back. three against the clippers in the bubble.

If I remember properly, this is also S-tier because I think Mike Brin also gave this a double bang. Listen, there's only been like three or four in NBA history. There's only a certain amount of time that Mike Breen pulls out the double bang. This is one of them. And it's also over Paul George. Step back three over Paul George to win a game,

S-tier. I mean, listen, that kind of makes it less impressive because Paul George, everybody hits a game winner over part game. It's not like it's rare. yeah he established himself as the clipper's owner he is mr clipper he is the best clipper to ever exist because of that show bro he lost the series but it don't matter bro i'll go eight here the slander on twitter that night was peak i remember that too that's fair for me but a also on the black lives matter logo crazy disrespect allegations crazy disrespectful crazy disrespectful

I'm going to hate here Last one Anthony Davis Winning the All-Star game With free throws This is Move Wendell Carter up to a D This is F

I've never seen A more anti-climactic moment Than this If there was ever an argument For the NBA to go away From what they do in the all-star game This is it It can't end like this

It can't happen Hey it technically it's a buzzerbeater No, there's no buzzer Yeah, nah This is terrible This is a genuine F No excitement Ruin the All-Star game

Shout out Wanda Carter For indirectly benefiting From the lameness of Anthony Davis This game winning free throws God damn That's crazy Everybody in the crowd is just like Oh, I guess it's over now

Like bro, it's just weird On free throws Get out of here Not fun All right next thing we're going to do Listen a couple weeks ago We did a blind ranking of NBA big men And I bamboozled you I guess

Because Donovan got incredibly pissed off He was like I need to start hosting these So Today Today Today he's going to host a blind ranking And we're going to do blind ranking of guards Y'all ready

Don't see I think that I have A pretty good list here We'll see what was going down all right but but now listen let's let's blind rank these NBA guards okay Jamal Murray oh he might be this he might be three or four Isaac I was say two or three so we'll split the difference to go three okay yeah two's too high I'm gonna go three I agreed two he might fuck with us and only put one great player here and put a bunch of bums so I was thinking maybe two but I'm fine with three if he does put a bunch

of bums Donovan you're a terrible guy yeah go to hell We'll wait We'll leave this Until they come We're one name in Right I don't like I don't like this slander

Let's see the rest of the list All right Next If I see Killeen Hayes I'm gonna freak out Next name Deeran Fox Ooh

He's better for sure He's better for sure Putting one wouldn't be crazy Because there's only like What five guards Better than him Two's perfect though That's comfortable

Too safe though Because I think This is point guards And shooting guards So I'm cool with two Yeah I agree Two is safe for him It's just point guards

oh okay yeah but I'm cool with you just because like I feel a Steph Curry coming I feel Luper Dunch is coming A radar's going off

Maybe Tyrese Halliburn We'll see what happens La Mello Ball Ah I should have put Jamal Maria at 4 No it's okay It's okay Jamal's better

Right now at least I think four is solid It's not bad Yeah actually yeah No you're right You're right I mean let me retract that Yeah like Jamal's

fucking proven like a motherfucker in the Mello balls over here laughing his ass off while his team's getting his back blown out so it's like come on now

do we think he put five good players do we got to put Lamello at five or do you go to four in case he put a bum nah Lamello got to be at four

okay Lamello at four is fine yeah Lamello's bum insurance I think next I think that we're pretty soon going to say the Mello's better

than Jamal but Jamal has he's earned it the right to be better than Mello right now who's always hurt I agree I agree

I don't put five all stars I see it coming. Oh shit. God damn it. I do it. I knew it for five good players. God, I fucking hate you,

Isaac. Oh my God. I love you, but I hate you. You fill me every time. Damn. What did I do? Oh my God.

I suggest it put in the Mello F5. Don't blame this on me. You're the one that loves his haircut too much to put him too low. Oh my God. He doesn't even have the same haircut anymore. He cut his hair actually. Wrong. You wouldn't know.

You love it. Fact. She's up with his fucking barber. You're looking at his barber on IG. Hey, man. I used to be updated league-wide. I bet that he put a bum at five, the last player. So I'm going to go Tyrease maxi at one.

I bet that he put someone like Killing Hayes at the end. If you fail me, then I'm coming to your house tomorrow, bro, and I'm stealing. Okay, Tyrese maxi at one. All right. Who's the last player? The last player is Jalen Brunson. Oh. Either way, I don't want to put easy

to them at five, so Listen, this list is awful. This is the worst blind ranking you've ever seen. There's no rhyme or reason for any of these placements. But here we are. This is ugly. How am I going to explain this list?

It's inexplainable. You can't do it. There's a terrible list for a terrible game. I hate you. Oh, my God. I'm stealing on your socks tomorrow. I'm going to have to start hosting this. Yeah, we should have put Tyres Max 8 at 5.

Yeah, oh my gosh. If he would have did that and put jail in a one, it wouldn't have been indefensible. Isaac, I'm coming to your house. But it is doubt. This is not fair. I am not having a good time right now. Ah, me neither. You said turn his hot water off?

That's, that's, that's true. No Wi-Fi for you. All right, that's the end of the blind ranking. We did an absolutely atrocious job. Roses, as you will Let's do a little bit of basketball talk Okay Been a lot of unsurious stuff

Hoops talk We're, yeah, we're gonna talk about current NBA players And give them a comparison from past decades Of players that remind us of them You know, last time we gave, we picked old players And gave them their current day comparison We're gonna flip it on its head a little bit Okay

Okay, it's gonna be interesting Take my, okay, take my step of water There's so many NBA players right now who have similar comparisons to them. Some are perfect, some or not, but there's going to be interesting regardless. Yeah. So real simple.

I'm going to name a current NBA player. You tell me who their past comparison is. First off, Yonnas Antenacumpo. Who? Ooh. This is hard because we really had never seen anybody like him. But who was the run and dunk man before Yon? Ninth, 1990, that's what I was going to say.

I think Early Shack is. probably the closest we can get to just run and dunk and just physically overpower you. 100%. Shack grew up in an era that rewarded being down low and being big and slow and playing for under the rim. If he came up today with the space and mobility needed from someone like Yannis, he'd be playing the same way. Oh, man. Yeah, it's not a perfect comparison though because of the playmaking chops and I mean, Shaq wasn't like an absolute, he didn't have oven mitts for hands, but at the same time, I think we underrate that aspect. So I guess it's a, perfect.

It's, it's an okay. Shack wasn't a horrible passer. He wasn't like a black hole. Yeah, but I think that's fine. I think that's a fine comparison. Yeah, that's the best one we're going to get. Yeah, exactly. Maybe David Robinson, if we want to go another really athletic, big that can move. But he had more refined post game. Okay, young Shaq. What's next? I like it.

Who's next? Jason Tatum. Honestly, Listen, Paul Pierce is kind of right there. I was going to say the same thing. Paul Pierce is right there, right? You have this archetype, somebody who gets, they really like to play in the mid-range. They, like, he's big, he's rangy, but he's not, like, crazy athletic.

He's not going to blow by you every single time, right? I think that's kind of fair. Yeah. Yeah, it just seems a little bit more athletic, but not as athletic as, like, but not as athletic as like Kobe or whatever. So I like that. Okay. Yeah, that's fair. That's an okay comparison.

yeah just okay who else is who else is another option um he's so unique it's hard it's hard it's hard for not unique my bad he's not unique it's like he's such an oak he's a he's a great player but he's not elite and back in that time period i guess do some people want to say like a mellow but that's kind of yuck because he's not that cerebral i say this i'll say this if this old guy liked to step back three more, could you see this? Joe Johnson Oh, there's like a supercharged Yeah, if Joe Johnson was like 10% better at everything and became a superstar, I can see that

Like if Joe Johnson came up today, would that be Jason Tatum? Yeah, Tatum's better, but in terms of style of play, I see it Okay Yeah, that's a good one Yeah, he's supercharged Joe Johnson, let's go with that I don't hate it I sold it Selfless for disrespectful, but

deal with it listen Hey Joe Johnson was a bucket It's still a bucket Exactly bro Yeah if Joe Johnson Love defense

Here we go Exactly Next up Jalen Brunson Hmm We just need This is This is 100%

It's just gonna be An old guard Who just Got their way Into the paint Just nonstop Exactly He plays old still

He plays like a 90s point guard Who's a old guard Who's an old guard who's a old guard Who's a old guard who just love Loves to post up. This is like... There's not a lot of them. I know, but this is...

This is like if Mark Jackson knew how to shoot. Right? Like, I like that. Right. If Mark Jackson could... If he had a real jumper, he would be Jalen Brunson. Just backing people down, right? Playmaker can do some stuff off the dribble.

That's kind of where I see it. That's kind of a perfect one. I kind of feel like he's a short Penny Hardaway. Like if Penny Hardaway is five inches shorter? That's actually crazy. That might be. disrespectful to Penny because Penny can jump out the gym Jaylen Brunson's not doing it. Yeah, sure, sure,

sure, Jay, not back in person. That's hilarious. The movement style, I don't know, like he's more athletic. Oh, never mind, back comparison, because he's not sure and he doesn't shoot like that. So maybe not. Who's another one? I'm trying to think of like. Like a Tim Hardaway, somebody that's kind of like herky jerky a little bit

can go. Does he got a little bit of Darren Williams in him? I mean, in terms of size and like how we can move, I think that's not a terrible comparison. Yeah, I feel like the crossover and the dribble moves are very similar with, it's also very weird because left-handed people just look different than the rest of the world. I can't explain it. They're odd people.

So it's hard to find, it's hard to find, like, accurate comparison for them. Yeah. It's also hard to think of like, because he's not one of, he's not an all-time great point guards. So it's hard to think of like mid-level point guards from back of the day. So I'm trying to think of like the 10th best point grader from each decade. I know. I know. That's hard.

And then about his play style too, it's so versatile and just how he, he has a ratchet. So with how he's pulling it too, it's hard. I think he's a combination of a lot of gods. Like I'll throw in. Fuck, he's Norm Nixon. Alongside that. Yeah. This man's watching winning times.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. All right. Bring winning time back. We need that. Facts. Save the show. Please.

Please, Devin Booker Kobe Bryant I see you Yeah, let's just say Kobe I think Young Ray Allen reminds me Devin Booker

Really I was gonna say Reggie Miller Good I think Devin Booker's a little More athletic Maybe I'm not giving Reggie his credit

But I think Devin Booker has a little More straight line speed Well okay What What version of Ray Allen Are you talking about I just think

I think a big part Of Reggie A big part Of Ray's game I mean a book game Like is underrated is his offball movement That's why I picked Reggie I guess Ray did that too though

So yeah I don't hate that I just think Devin Booker has like underrated Athleticism while also being a great shooter But it's like Ray Allen Whenever he wasn't quite as Dunkin like he was But he still had a combination To get into the room Yeah so yeah like 0708

Okay I can see that Yeah yeah That's fair That's good That's good He's 32 year old Ray Allen Damn that sucks What are you trying to say about Devin Booker?

What do you mean that sucks? Ray Allen was still. I'm a 29-year-old Ray Allen. Yeah. Who else? Devin-Bucker probably feels like a lot of players. A little bit of Chris Mullen in his game. Oh, Chris Mullen.

I didn't even think about that one. That's a good comparison. Also, time out. Can we go back to Jalen Brunton? The name just popped into my head. Ben Gordon. Ben Gordon. Listen, you're gross.

Listen, I'm not. I'm a huge Ben Gordon fan. Like a less athletic Ben Gordon, but his ability to be like a small guard, still be able to rise up above people, right, take kind of hard shots, be a little bit hirky jerky. I see that with Jalen Brunson. Okay. Okay. Not a bad comparison.

That's super interesting. Yeah, it's deep as fuck. Folks watching this like, Ben Gordon, who? I know who Ben Gordon is, but I haven't thought about him in a decade. Yeah, bro I love Ben Gorda I watch Ben Gorda highlights Kind of often

I'm not gonna lie You're sick No, that's even worse than me Watching Carlos I'm not going to light bro He was nice with the Bulls That's the same era

Those days All right The next player It's more on past Devin Booker Shegilded's Alexander Ooh This is hard

Pats comparison frame Penny Hardaway But slow Listen Say it You got to You got to You got to

I hate me Is this just Less athletic Michael Jordan What the fuck Did you just say? I'm saying Just in play style

You're talking about somebody Who operates From the mid range Exclusively Right Defensively Plays very well Right

On the on the wing Steals gets into the passing lane gets a lot of steals is physical 64, 6.5. Again, doesn't have the athleticism of MJ.

But if we're just, if we're just pulling up highlights, no. Hey. I got an even better. Sure. This is less a lot. Go ahead. This dude is the peak version

of Sean Limksson. This is what Sean Livingston should have looked like before his cataclysmic injury. Is Sean Livingston worse than less athletic MJ? is that more nice

no sure less athletic MJ was disrespectful to MJ Sean Livingston is disrespectful to SGA no what are you kidding me no

what he is I saw somebody call him the reverse flash as a nickname because he's just the opposite player of Dwayne Wade where they just both span the rim

but Dway does it with speed Shade does it with like change of space and slowness I think he's like slightly different Dwayd he's so unique bro

he's he's basketball archetype breaking right now yeah slow MJs I mean lower athleticism MJ is hilarious that's wild is he just the greatest player of all time that's crazy who's next

Rudy Gobert man that man is the Kimbe Matumbo that that's what that is DPLY every year right amazing defender in the paint can't score to save his life right I can't

doesn't have a post move committed to memory that he can afford two times in a row but that's Rudy Gaubert no this is reincarnation in another country this is DeCampanmentumbo damn

some people are going to say as disrespectful because they hate Rudy Gobert I don't care what you say it's accurate no McCamette DeCamin Matumbo was genuinely like that man the gameplay the archetype is ridiculous it's you can't say anything about that i think you guys are correct shell block is crazy right what's next anthony davis

i don't even now i think i don't even know current day anthony davis is easier to compare for sure i think it's kevin garnett with worst passing i was going to say can by the best comparison right now ability for that size versus defensively, whatever, the best version AD, whatever, it doesn't matter. Yeah, he doesn't have the passing, but, you know, the versatility defensively, he can guard guards better than most people his size, can move way better than most people his size. I think that's the best we're going to do. All right.

Yeah. You got it. Yeah, I have no idea how there's, you know, see no dog, that's why. That's, yeah, the problem. But it's the best comparison. Okay, you got it. I'm not, I'm not going to fight you on this one. You're just dying.

You'd be like, no, he sucks. He's a baby. I hate him. No, I just don't know how to. God damn it. I don't know how to do it. Yeah, Donovan's been like Martian Gortat. Ew.

Do I want to be on record saying that he's a supercharged Andrew Bynum? I don't know. But like, here we are. Here we are. Who's next? Paul George. This is. He's up there with the T-Max of the world.

That's what I was going to say. Tracey was the answer. Yep. He's Tracy McGree with social media. We all agree. Yeah, for Russell McGrath. No, just like just a smooth score is somebody who can go out on any given night and get you 35, 40, right? I can operate anywhere, three-level score in his prime, crazy, crazy athletic.

Like, he had taught all the, all the boxes. Yep. Probably a better defender, but offensively very. similar. Yeah, exactly. It's the movement that has that one-to-one correlation. His ability to put a facade on defenders on a consistent night-to-night basis is what

does it, bro. A facade. Nice word. I like it. Yeah, man, he's hell of me as good with his moves. Hell of him a stevieous fool. That's the end of that. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to talk about some NBA jerseys. You know, another TD3 staple. We love us in cosmetics, some aesthetics.

All those icks. Edics? Yep, all the edicts. It's like we ain't do this in a minute. We did a throwback jerseys, grading them recently. This time, we're going to talk about teams' greatest jerseys in their franchise's history. Okay. So pound for pound, what's their best jersey?

Do we have options or we just have to come up with it? Yeah, come up with it. Think about what their best. You got to try to pull from memory, which is a little difficult. So what is this NBA team's greatest jersey of all time? First off, the Atlanta Hawks. Listen, the ones that they were rocking, which ones? Which ones are you going?

As then as, I don't think any of us can talk today. We've all stumbled over the world in the meantime. As the native Atlantean, A.T. Alien. What is the best jersey in their, in their history? Out of respect, I'd be wrong to say the MLK jerseys that they had when they went on that 2021 run, some of the greatest hawk basketball ever. We had the spirit of MLK through us in our veins, just carrying us through success that we've never seen before in history.

And to me, that was our best jersey. We need to bring them back. I'm contractually obligated to not disagree. I'm an ally. Exactly. I dare you. Donovan, I double dare you. I'm taking your card.

Listen, I'm not going to say anything. That was a crazy road for the Hawks. You guys had Coretas on the sideline, right? Everything is just going crazy. Good time. Who am I to disagree? things are special for us the real answer is one with the big hawk across the middle from the 90s but who am i to

disagree with the red and black that is that's wrong that's wrong that's wrong what's in competition uh the one from the mid 80s where you have the it's like a little it says like hawks across it the the one that dominique and spudweb like in all the dunk contest yeah okay I see, that's up there for sure. We have to go to the MLK ones. Next up, the Golden State Warriors. Dang. Sleeves jerseys?

Let's just go with the We Believe jerseys and knock it out the board. Nah, what? I think the real answer is the throwbacks that were last year to the Wilt era, the blue ones are the red letters, specifically the new version of that with the modern cuts and the really bright colors. Incredible. Those wore hard.

But the we believe is the we believe. So we're getting that one. Nostalgia's kicking your ass. This shit is clean. Damn. Not, man. You love Baron Davis too much. Listen, man.

I might be kind of gross. Who doesn't like that? I'm sorry. Fair enough. Who might argue? That we believe run moved me. So I'll might lean what you, Donovan. But underrated that black jersey from last year with the rose on it to sleeper.

What? You lost me. That's one of the worst jerseys of all time. They have a three better black jerseys in that. have so many better ones that one sucked are you crazy suck on player on player was pretty nice bro it was cool when they tucked in you can't see the rose as soon as that rose comes out i'm like oh god take it away yeah i hates roses oh my god okay on jerseys yes anti botany on jerseys don't like it okay that's fair all right next up the los angeles lakers the showtime ones in

the late 80s had the drop shadow the ones that all the laker jerseys right now try to emulate the magic johnson era jerseys are the best ones you're not going to pick the black mamba jersey no i do not think that those are the best ones i think those are elite you don't love coby those aren't the best jerseys in the franchise's history you don't love coby as much as i do oh you're getting stone to death donovan once again those are not the best jersey you don't respect the black Mamba? Number 8, number 24? Take that back! You don't even like Kobe like that.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. It's not about me. It's about you. Yeah, you're on the trial right now. Next one. Your Mamba card is at risk, not mine. Yeah, that black, that black Lakers jersey was something special.

Now you're right. It's the purple one from the 80s. No, what the hell? Thank you. Thank you. You got caught up. I cannot tell a lie. Oh, my gosh. You guys are full-ers. We're under oath to tell the truth here. I solemnly swear.

Liars. Next up. Next up we got the Los Angeles Clippers. Now this is Yuck Town right here. I'm not going to lie. All their jerseys from NBA history are fucking trash. I'm not going to lie to you. They have very few bangers.

No, they, and one of the few bangers, they have the old school white ones with the with the cursive on it. The ones that Lamar Odom and them were rocking? Oh, you just love nostalgia from the 2000s. That's all they had. That's all they had. It's the best thing I. You act like the franchises has years and years of great jerseys.

No, they have like three that are actually cool. Like, give me the Buffalo Braves, I guess. Give me the orange. I'm not picking any of these clippers jerseys. They're branding is trapped at the bottom. Talking about nostalgia for me. Man, pick them Buffalo Braves. Garbage.

Not for nostalgia purposes. I'll tell you that. There's trash. garbage, waste, junk. What do we want to pick here? There's a whole lot of just They have, listen, again, though, they have like four jerseys

that are actually kind of cool. The ones from the early 2000s, those were kind of the best ones that they've had. Sure. Shout out Chris Kamen era, I guess. That's the one good thing that the team had going for them. I'm picking none of them out of spite. Yeah, Donovan, you should tighten up.

Lock the fuck in All right next up The Denver Nuggets There's a lot of good ones here Is there really? Yeah there's a lot of good ones here There's a lot of good ones but I'm easily going to blue one with the rainbow Yeah the rainbow sways me Easily

I don't want to answer I do disagree but I don't want to answer out of Out of fear of telling me that nostalgia's kicking This is fit of tick mellow oh my god It's the baby blue ones. You had the jeans shorts with the Nuggets logo on the back. You are one of them. What are we talking about here?

You just loved the fifth grade. You just wanted to be the kid. There is nothing that the Nuggets have done jersey-wise over the last seven years that beats the baby blue ones. And even. Okay. What about the 40 years before that? They're not better. Wait, wait, wait, which ones are you talking about?

You're talking about the 80s? I'm saying the rainbow ones in like the 90s. Oh, no. No, no, no, no. Okay, yeah. No, no, no, my. You got those. You just want to watch Ben 10 every day, be a fifth grader, watch Kobe again.

I understand it. You are like the Warned Good Times. Like, I, too, enjoy luncheables. I'll say that. Listen, if I could go from a Sweet Life of Zach and Cody Marathon to a Carmelo Anthony masterpiece, yes, I would love that day. I would love to relive that. I understand you now, Donovan.

Now I have to pay rents. So the sweet like the sweet life crossover with that's a raven where's it the Waverly place that was a moment right that meant something to me what was better playing Pokemon platinum or paying taxes? That's hilarious you pay All right next though they're gonna get us for me the podcasting westy's knives for fuck I don't know they're gonna get us Next up

The Houston Rockets Ah Okay Yeah yeah I just gonna I just gonna pick something from from 2018 And I'm gonna pick something old He's gonna be like oh my gosh sure It's definitely it's definitely the older side of things for sure

It's definitely the other side of things with the rocket on it Which from like 04 Not the Navy Blue one I kind of like Navy Blue one Or are we going to the Keem one I don't really love the yellow colors game Yeah, and that's where you're wrong, buddy, because those are actually the best ones. The navy blue ones, those are cool in, like, in every other facet.

Like, if you had a jacket or if you had, like, a t-shirt, they're cool there, but not necessarily on the jerseys. The hakeem jerseys were actually the best ones. Okay, I don't hate it. I'm not very opinionated on the rocket jerseys. You can have it, but I just don't love the yellow. I don't like yellow and red together in most circumstances. Okay. I just see him as like, McDonald's.

Donovan's right Thank you I've been right That was so succinct I've been right No further comment Yeah No you can have that one

I don't blame you All right what's the next team The San Antonio Spurs They've had the same jersey For 40 years Yeah Who talks about Spurs jerseys Lokey

It might be one of the city jersees In the last like two years The ones they got this year The brown ones are pretty hard And the Fiesta ones with the cursifant, pretty tough. Give me the camo jersey. I was going to say that too. The camel was so unique.

Give me the camo sleeved ones. It's the only different thing that they've done in 50 years. Wait. They were sleeved? I was dripped out. It was crazy. They were sleeved? Oh my God.

I think so. I think so. That's gross. I can. Bois Dio was out here. Bois Dio was out here saluting the troops, not even close. Listen, I'm going to argue.

You don't respect the troops? Okay. All back me down to the corner now. Okay, hold on. We got to go Camo. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Salute the troops, always. I love the Marines.

I got a sniper on my head right now. Green dot. Yeah. That's the last one. Look at us. Sweet. Just propaganda. Facts.

Like those recruiters are coming to high school in America. You want a Dodge Charger? You want to freak all it? Sign the dotted line. That was me a very different conversation pretty soon. That was me after watching Top Gunn. I was like, I'll sign up.

I'll fly the plane. I'll do it. All right. One more video left before we get out of here. We're pushing three hours again. Another long episode. Golly. Moe.

I believe you have an NBA draft TikTok for us. Yeah, man. We've done this in the past like six. seven months ago, and we're bringing this shit right back. A lot of players in the NBA today have had certain draft comparisons coming out. A lot of them look crazy as fuck. Some of them

look a little bit accurate. And I want to let you guys know if they were accurate or not. So, did this NBA player live up to their drafts comparison? Okay. First up, Deerran Fox. To who?

John Wall, my bad. My brain just froze. Same again. We're just absolutely frozen, but first up, Deeran Fox to John Wall. Absolutely, right? Yeah, yeah, of course. Like, John, John Wall, John Wall at his peak was an all-MBA guard, and Deer & Fox at the same time is now ascending into that, leading a team to the playoffs. They're also both very fast, can just get up and down the floor.

I like that. Very quick guys, I got to say. Correct. From that standpoint, yeah. I think this version Deeran Fox It definitely surpasses whatever version of John Wall But the passing vision is just not there for Deeran For sure

Yeah, John Wall's a better defender and passer But Deeran's clearly a better score at this point So I don't know which one you value more Listen, 2016, 2016, 2017 John Wall was That was, listen, that was pretty great That's the guy Him untucking his jersey y'lin This is my shit after his first

One of his first successful playoff games it hit different, not gonna lie. The first time I saw him hit a three and go big bees, bitch, walking on the other side of the court, I was like, I know, he's different. That's crazy. He said, though they shut up, it was nuts.

So we hit it? Is he an accurate comparison? Yeah, no, no, no. He lived up to the comparison. He is as good as John Wall. Good job, Deerran. Yeah, this is without a doubt one of the best comparisons that's been made.

Yeah, definitely. Like, Kentucky guy. Fast Kentucky guy. That's all the first. Spider-Man meme. And they were on the money with this one too. They were on the money.

It was low-hanging fruit, but they were right. Yeah. That's true. It was low-hanging. Who's next? Jalen Brunson to Jemir Nelson. What? Yo.

Now listen, Jamir Nelson was an all-star. That's what I'm saying. Honestly, this might have been a comparison that we should have made. I completely forgot about Jamir Nelson. Secondly, why are we using this picture

of Jamir Nelson? That's what I'm laughing at. Before it actually got up here, Nikiel went back and forth, I thought it was a picture of a thumb. I thought we were making a joke, right? I do not know that Jemir Nelson looked like this at one point in time.

And I don't mean to disrespect Jemir, but brother, what's going on? What happened, right? Listen, shout out Jemir. You made the All-Star team next to Dwight Howard. Jalen Brunson clears him without a doubt. This is by far lived up to it. Yeah, I agree.

100%. The score. DeR Nelson was never in conversations to be an all-star starter and right now there's fucking revolts across the streets because Jalen Brunson

didn't get it as there should be if you put vibranium inside of Jemir Nelson's blood then this is Jailen Brunson for sure you give Jemar Nelson

that shit Tristan Thompson's on oh that's Jeter there we're going Yeah you're gonna have four black SMU's plug Tio crib right now Isaac lights come out lights turned off and shit

we're going to be in trouble I'm joking What's next? That's hilarious. Who? Zahn Williamson to Charles Barkley and Larry Johnson. Yeah, this is facts. I mean, last year I thought he'd be closer to Barclay.

Now I was looking more like Larry Johnson, so he's definitely somewhere in between them. Similar career averages to Larry Johnson right now, ironically enough. Yeah. Listen, you get any girthy power forward and you're like, Zion Williamson. Gertie is crazy. It's not a terrible compare. It's not a bad word to use. You pick any power forward that's built like a defensive end.

Zion Williamson That's true It's true though It's true Yeah He's Colum Mac He's Trent Williams For real he's 6600

He's so big He's so sorry Brat ain't mean to do this to you We should have done this to you We should have done this We're just bullying We're comparing to world class athletes I think we're in the clear

Yeah so did he reach their expectation or did he yes clearly i mean he reached he i'm happy on the same here he reached lady johnson not charles barkley though okay he's not he's obviously nowhere near charler parkley yeah okay so that's next that's hilarious the max jokes is just going to be at our next up tyrese hallburn to malcolm brogden and lonso ball Wow Easily What comps

First of all But yeah He's better than both of them combined So like Yeah he's amazing He lived up to this This is actually a great comparison If you compare the

If you combine the best of Malcolm Brogden The best of Lonzo Ball together That's like an incredible player I love this comparison That is perfectly UCLA Lonzo Ball Is what Tyrese Halliborne is today Lanzel Ball's passing

And Sighton's passing and size With Malcolm Brogden's shooting And shiftiness That's Tyrese Alliburton Who said this? I think he's a little bit more Who made this comparison? Who made this comparison?

Probably, I think it was Bleacher Report. Okay. Shout out Bleacher Report. That's a great age perfectly. Obviously, Tyre's Albert's way better than them too, but I see the vision. Yeah, this is a W comparison. Surpassed easily. What's next?

We got Shea Gilgis Alexander and DeJonte Murray along with Sean May. You made this comparison. No, I didn't. I swear to God I was on the internet. Look it up. right now. Wasn't Dejante drafted in like the same class?

No, Dejante was drafted in 2016. Shea was in 2018. Okay. I mean, it's a terrible comparison. It just shows how like unique SGA is. No, I'll say yes, but at the time, people didn't expect SGA to become a first team all NBA, MVP candidate. That was never in the card's draft time.

He's just far exceeded anything anybody could ever hope for him. So I don't really blame him for making these comparisons back then. He turned into a player that no one ever would have thought he would be, bro, for sure. Also, don't sleep on supposed to be Prime Sean Livingston. He was going to be hard. Yeah. It's hilarious. Next up, we got Anthony Edwards and Victor Oladipo along with Michael Jordan.

How has Anthony Edwards lived up to Michael Jordan? Let's see. Listen, man. Sometimes. Let's talk about the aesthetics. Sometimes. Catch him on the right night. Listen, listen, he had the game against the Celtics when he locked up Jason Tatum,

he's been eating off that game all year long. Anytime I hear anybody talk about Andy Edwards, they're like, listen, he locks up, he locks up the other team's best player on the wing. He does it. He's just like Michael Jordan. But lately, he's kind of been shooting like Victor Oladipo. So this is kind of, it's kind of accurate. Listen, Prime Victorola Depot was like an 87 and 2K.

Prime microjorn is in 99. Anthony Edwards is like a 92 at smack in the middle. There we go. Damn. Yeah, the athleticism of the big bodiness and just overall, like, the insane athleticism, I can agree with so. Does DeWay Finn this as well to you guys? Yeah, I mean, he's not de Wade yet, but he's on the path.

We'll see if he ever makes the next leap. Okay. Yeah, I don't really see DeWay quite as much, but. Yeah. Okay. I agree with that. And I think that is it. And that's the end of the episode. If you're still here, comment, the Isaac Gutierrez show is the best show I've ever seen in my life. Woo. Let's do it. Good job, Isaac. Tap in, y'all. Go watch that. Go watch the last live stream that we did yesterday.

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