The Deep 3 Podcast - We Drafted The Best Duos In The NBA | Ep. 178

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We are coming off a weekend of the most surprising NBA news in a long time. Did you hear? Tell me. Anthony Davis has heard again. Word? Oh, no. Oh, my God. I feel like I've seen the story before.
Starting point is 00:00:12 Did you hear a small guard that doesn't shoot well, doesn't defend well, isn't scoring well, is on the trade market. You're stuck in the past, buddy. What do you mean? That being John Morant. Okay, okay. Did you hear? There was potential violence via the corridors of the Staples Center because somebody had previous knowledge of the arena.
Starting point is 00:00:31 Police presence? Police presence, apparently. Much to talk about today. Big shocking, bombshell new stories that we've never seen coming. We've never seen before. I'm going to talk about all that. As well as you see by the title, we are going to do a draft of the best duos in the NBA right now.
Starting point is 00:00:46 So we're really going to be talking about this season, what we've seen. We're going to treat it based on if the playoffs are starting today, we're going to draft which duos we'd have the most faith in to lead our team. I can't contain myself right now. There's so much to dive into, I might outcry myself and I might just splurge on both you please let's hurry up and roll the intro well calm down because first we're gonna talk about hawkslander too so you don't get too excited you're not gonna have a good day again yep yep we're get into all that fuck all that we up you see our defense are rated lately lately
Starting point is 00:01:08 cue the intro music let's talk about the weekend of any news we're throwing it back whoa that's crazy he was bragging i out you just said it the cranium is crazy oh my god Rejoice. We have to begin with what is by far the most important of all these new stories. Again, like I said up top, stop me if you heard the story before, a upset point guard in the NBA who previously played in the Staples Center, used that knowledge of his previous time with the team to attack another player
Starting point is 00:01:49 who was talking shit with on the court going through the back of the arena to find him out for the game. But this time it wasn't Chris Ball. Dennis Schroeder is suspended for three games without pay for trying to fight Luca Donchitz outside. the locker room last month when they played on December 28th. Damn, three games? Last month is the key.
Starting point is 00:02:08 We've been past it. Somebody called in on the anonymous tip line and said, hey, we have to figure this out. There's snitches in the NBA. We cannot stand for that. They took two weeks to investigate it and they said, yep, he tried to touch Luca up. We cannot allow this.
Starting point is 00:02:23 This happened when they played each other, obviously, like I said, on December 28th. Luca made a joke on the court when they were talking shit. Just doing normal basketball stuff. He said, you should have took that money. you bet you regret it talking about him reportedly turning down a four-year $84 million contract from the Lakers
Starting point is 00:02:37 Dennis Ruter said, I'm gonna beat the shit out of you Yeah, Tonya Corey said I'm gonna whip your ass One of the worst mistakes over the last five years for sure Minor mistakes when it comes to the players and their decisions That's a I mean it's Dennis Shorter so it's like no it's an all-time mistake though Is it it's an all-time mistake for somebody of Dennis Schroeder's caliber Yeah, who's like a good player not not a great player yeah $84 million dollars to turn that
Starting point is 00:03:02 that down and then to come back and get what he got, I'm sorry. I'm fighting my agent. You're probably fired. You say that to me at any point in my life. We can be 30 years down the line. You talk about me fumbling $84 million. I have to kill you. Rub it in my face. I have to fight you. I respect it and I understand it. And you know what? It's also, it's a class issue. It's a price of privilege issue. Look, can you make $60 million a year? And you're talking shit to me, the little guy trying to make a career going off my $8 million contracts here and rubbing in my face. That's a problem. It's a little bit of my face. that I'm not making their bread I should be making. And reportedly, you call me a bitch while doing it.
Starting point is 00:03:37 We got this report from Anthony Slater who gave some details reportedly. These are the issues of Schroeder had. Schroeder told Luca, he can't call him a bitch on the court and pretend everything is fine off the court. Schroeder then attempted to strike Luca, according to the NBA. DeAndre Aidan tried to drag Schroeder away from the altercation before security intervened. And Schroeder was escorted to the team bus.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Luke left arena in his car with his father. I could just imagine the whole scene painted out. This is hilarious. DeAndre A. Just being like, stop guys. That's very funny. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Him being involved in anything. It's like he's doing the right thing. Like he probably should be like breaking stuff up. But just Jondra Ait and being the peacemaker is is comical. But yeah, man. And Dennis being escorted by security, like you said, police presence. And Luga leaving with his dad is hilarious. That tells me right there.
Starting point is 00:04:27 This is way worse than they're actually making it seem. Luka got rocked. And he's been playing these last few. games like he got rocks for a noggin's little you know not centered and all that and his game just needs a whole lot of reconfiguration i see why i understand it i'm glad you bring that up because it says there shrewder attempted to strike luca according to the mbara and then dennis saw this on instagram and he said attempting with the i emoji he said now if i'm making you just just let it be known i hit him i did that shit and i did it well that's amazing you're right
Starting point is 00:04:57 you don't like you don't come for a man's pocket especially that level of bag being for And I wonder what will happen the next time the Lakers see the Kings is Luca going to like talk the same level of shit? We're even like trying to fuck with him. He should. Luca, you think Luca would? He should. You've been embarrassed. Everyone knows what happened.
Starting point is 00:05:13 No, Luca is not embarrassed at all. One, there's no video of this. So it is. Here's what it is. Luca, for the rest of time, unless video gets released can say, I mean, he tried to hit me, but he didn't do it. And then, you know, Dennis is going to come back and say like, no, I actually hit you. He's like, yeah, bro, you're lying. He can say that for the rest of his life
Starting point is 00:05:33 So that doesn't matter At the end of the day, Luca is the better player Luca does make more money So he's like everything I said I could look at everything I just realized too Everything Luca said he could look at Dennis And be like, I'm just telling the truth
Starting point is 00:05:47 But Dennis is super down now Because he's not even getting paid for these games That he's missing now So it's like ah shit man If I was Luca Listen I'll drop off a little bag and be like Listen I heard you need this Right go ahead go ahead
Starting point is 00:06:00 Mind you, fake money in the back. I'm not giving you real money. You might really have to die after that. It's just for sure. But that's what I'm doing. Yeah, B.M. So I don't know who came out. The winner is all the case.
Starting point is 00:06:11 Don't give me $70 million. I'll be the pettiest man on the plane. Yeah, it sounds like nobody won this altercation if it's true. And Dennis really did. Touched Luca. Nobody, but nobody got to see it. He gets suspended. Luca gets hit.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Nobody wins. Yeah. I love stories like this. You don't see it too often. Straight negativity all around. In five years, in five years, the story's going to go and Luca's going to be like,
Starting point is 00:06:31 yeah, he swung, but I got him with a nice episode. Like, listen, he didn't want these problems. I feel that takes a little more lateral quickness when you've seen Luca possess. Yeah, I don't,
Starting point is 00:06:41 I don't think he's not a counterpunch. I don't think his, I don't think his form of athleticism translates to Weave game. Doubt it. So he can't, he can't bobbing weave not one time. I think he can take a hit
Starting point is 00:06:51 rather than bobbing weave. I don't even. Maybe he could open elbow and catch it like Blake Mayweather, but I don't think he's bobbing even the type of hits that he could potentially take, I think if you just give him one stomach punch in the abdominal, it's over.
Starting point is 00:07:04 Is there anybody in the league that he can beat in a fight then? Yeah, for sure. But this is what I'm saying. Like, if he doesn't have the ability to get out of the way of a punch, now we're talking about Luca on the offensive in a fight, who is he beating? Dude, there's real prey in the NBA. I don't want to do this. But trust me, there's like real getable player. Look around.
Starting point is 00:07:23 There's some skinny little point guards. I was just thinking of the day I was looking at Anthony Black who's playing really well. I was like he's built exactly like Tyler Hero. Luca would eat those guys alive. They're small. He's six, seven. He's huge. You can take a hit.
Starting point is 00:07:34 Yeah. Yeah, you look at it. That's very good. What is Rob Dealinghan doing when he can't just walks through those doors? He's quick, though. He's super fast. He is very quick, actually. He might be a mean slap boxer.
Starting point is 00:07:45 He might be filthy, actually. I know what they were doing that Kentucky. You're right. It would be over. The next news story to talk about. Stop me for his before. Dallas Maverick star, Anthony Davis, has sustained ligament damage in his left hand.
Starting point is 00:08:02 Sources tell Sharm Sharania and Ban McMahon, depending on second opinion and if surgeries acquired, Davis could miss a number of months. If you saw this play, he was defending a drive, somebody round forward, he reached out, got his fucking thumb clipped, and apparently he sustained ligament damage. I'm not
Starting point is 00:08:18 going to lie. This is a blessing in disguise for me personally. Because there was a real chance, a real world reality where this guy would have been an Atlanta hawk. I don't think there's a real chance. There was a near certainty. It was almost seemingly written in the stars. He was going to be a hawk. Yeah, man. And what's the funniest thing about this whole report coming out is that the next day or two days later, coming out from this, he was in a whole sling. And everyone was like, yo, I thought you broke your hand. Why are you in a sling? And obviously, like, it makes sense. You don't want to, you want to elevate your hand to reduce any like possible risk of injury or further injury. But still, it's absolutely hilarious. Because it's like, bro, like, what else happened? Like, you're doing too much at this point.
Starting point is 00:08:57 here you're Athadale's Maverick shoot around Arm up Come on man The jokes is right To themselves continuously Yeah I mean he still could be traded for I guess it depends on
Starting point is 00:09:09 What's gonna happen with this If he needs surgery You know maybe he misses a month And it's not actually as big of a deal as it seems But it's insane that they were probably Seemingly headed towards flipping him Getting out of this experience And of course he gets hurt again
Starting point is 00:09:21 And he's so much more injury prone now Since he became a Maverick than even when he wasn't a Lakers the leggers got out at the perfect time, man. This is crazy. Every single time in terms of the court, it's something small. The jokes that were made before because I'm getting hurt a lot and were mostly meaningful, real ways dealing with like a lot of physical play styles
Starting point is 00:09:38 that led to injuries over time. But people talked about it like, oh, you get a step on the court, he's going to take one step wrong and all of a sudden his ear hurts. That stuff is really happening now. It's starting to catch up. And also, like, there's the fact that like he was having injury concerns for a majority of his career.
Starting point is 00:09:54 And anytime that he, would fall, it looked like it was some type of season-ending career-ending injury. And then he's like, oh, no, never mind. I'm fine. And so the initial response to a lot of his injuries made people look at him and be like, oh, yeah, he really, like, he's not tough like that. He can't, he can't take anything. Yeah, he gave soft vibes, but he literally going back to the locker room and coming back
Starting point is 00:10:15 in the game. So, like, people have the emotional, oh, my God, again. And he comes back and gets you 30. Now he's staying in the locker room. Now he's not giving you 30 as much. His body's giving up on him. And it's quite unfortunate. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:25 And I think for the Mavs, like, I have, okay, so overall is no sympathy because, like, you traded Luca to get AD. But that guy's gone. We can't have sympathy now. Yeah. Okay, fine. But that's one of those situations where if you're going to squint and you want to say, yeah, like, Luca's Achilles, it's about to erupt. We have to get out on Luca. Fine.
Starting point is 00:10:46 All right. Let's go get AD. Let's be in this, you know, pseudo win-out situation. Whatever, whatever. If a GM trade for Anthony Davis today, I have absolutely no sympathy for them and I will look at them like they are dumber than a bag of rocks because this year, like Andy Davis,
Starting point is 00:11:03 we've talked so many times about how he had that one season where he played like 60-something games, 70 games. Outside of that, it's been a lot of 40 games, 50 games seasons. And since he's got, like you said, to the Mavericks, first game, boom, I'm hurt. Since then, every two, three weeks, I'm hurt, I'm hurt, I'm out, I'm out. If you are giving up assets to Anthony Davis, who is on the wrong side of 30 at this point, does need a certain play style to be successful.
Starting point is 00:11:29 I don't feel bad for you if you trade for him thinking that you're getting this like all world world defender. And then all of a sudden, he's out for some time. Yeah. His 30 feels like he's 40 right now. He just aged like milk. He aged like yogurt. He eats like cottage cheese.
Starting point is 00:11:45 The list of injuries that he's had since he's been a Maverick has been just like, I feel like I've almost never seen this before from any level of player. From like top to literally bottom. He's added an abdominal injury, an abductor injury, eye injury, thigh, groin, Achilles so many other random like leg and capitals. That's every part of the body. Literally his hands now like, bro, it's everywhere. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:12:08 I can't give a single ligament that hasn't been touched. I know. So it's, yeah, it's a wrap. He shouldn't, if I was, if I were the maps, like obviously cold world, cold game. Yeah. Listen, man, we got to get off this. Not. But like you said, it doesn't make sense.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Yeah, you got to get off this. But like you said, who's going to do that? And I just see this report. Good chance he's sidelined through the trade deadline. Who is everything you said, everything considered that we understand now by the Anthony Davis experience, how the downsides are pretty much outweighing the good sides now and how we're applauding. Like, here's for getting out at the right time. If he's actively injured, who's going to want to get in on that at the wrong time? Desperate.
Starting point is 00:12:46 Desperate teams. Who is that desperate, though? No one's that desperate. But as the Hawks. Come on now. The Hawks can still do it, I guess. Maybe now you'll still do it because you have an eye towards the next year, but now you'll be able to keep reshusha.
Starting point is 00:12:55 So it's just KP and like a swap. I'm still good off that. I'd rather, because he has the same impending question, which is the whole contract extension conversation. And at this rate in time, like, he's just not getting whatever he's asking for. So I don't envision that happening. That would be the dumbest process ever if the Hawks did that as well. Brad Stevens is obviously a very, very smart guy.
Starting point is 00:13:15 on a scale one to 10, how much do you think he would entertain a trade for Anthony Davis? Maybe like a five, he would like consider it. Only considering that, okay, like you have senators on your team, but you don't have like a super strong suit. And you just relieved yourself from cap hell. Do you want to get back into those conversations? I don't know. With him, I don't know. Because that's it's worth the conversation.
Starting point is 00:13:43 Yeah. I mean, that's one of the, that's one of the teams that. that I guess wouldn't be like desperate like that. But if you're Boston, obviously there's been the Tatum smoke, but we're talking about a team that is probably going to be fully formed next year when you have a full offseason for Tatum coming back from the Achilles injury. And then if you go into next year with Brown Tatum AD as you're starting, you know, front line, that is extremely intriguing for a team that like, listen, shout out to them.
Starting point is 00:14:13 You guys have had a very, very good season from your bigs. You've gotten much more out of them than anybody could have possibly expected. Still getting that talent level might be something that you look at. I don't, I think that those would be some of the situations where you can look at them and say like, okay, we can potentially do this. That'd be the best case scenario because they obviously wouldn't have to play him more than 28 minutes a game. If they really wanted to be smart and save him and put him on old man Bill Walton routine and have him be like, not quite six man like Bill Walton, but have him be low minutes. We're going to play Kate a 20 minutes. a game, you're going to be able to chill.
Starting point is 00:14:45 We're going to save you for the playoffs. Offensively, you're not going to have a high usage. You'll be the third star. Basically, fourth star, because Derek White is still here. We're going to make sure you focus on defense, focus on transitioning smoothly into a second half of your career, both monetarily, hopefully, in terms of a favorable contract extension for the team and on-court product for what's capable with your body.
Starting point is 00:15:05 That'd make the most sense for me for him. I just also feel like Brad Stevens is too smart to take that much of a gamble health-wise. Yeah. Unless they have a clear plan. feels like their medical team can be tangibly better than the teams his head in the past. If he, with the knowledge he understands as a GM slash coach at in the past, fully understands a vision for how he can fix him in ways that we are not quite privy to who could not understand,
Starting point is 00:15:26 unless that's the case, hard for me to believe he would make this gamble. Well, there's another team that I have in mind where a couple weeks ago, I had my top 10 predictions for 2026. Okay. And what did I say? In 2026, the Sacramento Kings will make a dumb trade. Oh, I can very much see a world where the Kings look at. at this and they go out and they get they get a d sending sub bonus out either either either either either one like
Starting point is 00:15:51 again this is very much off the top of the dome i have not done i have not ran ran the numbers have not talked to the cpa of the kings and to see if it's possible but they probably have no CPA bro have you seen like it's ridiculous that's that's that's things are cooked all around that's fair but also like the kings they've they've like flirted around and subonis and them have talked a little bit about they haven't been for you they've been harassing the league just just like nobody obviously the season sucks and it and it's lost but like subonis had that had the moment last year where he's like hey listen so like what are we actually doing here and so there's been conversations about that so i i wouldn't be shocked if they want to go out and get some get a player like if subonis
Starting point is 00:16:34 ultimately ends up leaving and request a trade then in the offseason do they say we just have to chase you know being competent being in in the playing like this is what this is what we want to do and now you go out and you get AD to replace a bonus in that in that sense like it I think that for a majority of the teams they probably have Anthony Davis higher on their list than a lot of other teams I think if I'm the if I'm AD the day you send me to the kings is the exact same day I force retirement you're not seeing me playing purple and white like that can never happen because like bro if you think about the Sacramento Kings they're literally the only team in the entire league
Starting point is 00:17:13 that has literally zero nothing to offer in terms to outlook and what could be better for them in the future. They have again no payroll that we talked about. They're completely maxed out towards paying guys like exactly being a ridiculous amount of money. Sabone is
Starting point is 00:17:29 they have a, like, they have Demard Rosen, of course, too. They have expensive roster. They have no young talent at all. They have draft picks to themselves. Cool. Great. But what are they going to do with those draft picks? It's lately until besides like the year they drafted Tyrese Halliborne, they've done absolutely nothing.
Starting point is 00:17:45 So it's like, you know? I listen, you know how I feel about them. They're the ultimate like, you know? I just think that there and maybe AD just stays there and just stays in Dallas and for the rest of his career, he just ends up as a guy that is only going to play
Starting point is 00:18:04 47 games a year and is off and on and he's missing two months at a time. I don't think that that's the case and I think that for 14 and also for the Mavs it ultimately depends on how Karee whenever he looks back whenever he comes back but you have Cooper flag you got the golden ticket you have the green light now to tear everything down and to restart like you don't have to Niko's not here anymore you don't have to sell yourself on trying to win now and compete so why so if I'm the Mavs obviously seeing this we're trying to get
Starting point is 00:18:42 off of any piece of the Nico regime outside of Cooper Flag. And when you just start looking around the league, there's just, there's bad teams that are going to make bad trades. And AD is one that you can finesse a bad team and get it. The saddest thing about the whole AD thing is just seeing how he actually has been playing as he hasn't been playing like bad basketball at all, especially like defensive. He's been, he's been good.
Starting point is 00:19:06 But seeing how much pop and burst he has compared to what he was just for, five years ago, which it's a long time ago, but it's not like incredibly long, especially considering how old he is. It's a night and day difference completely different players. It's so sad. The Hawks reportedly rejected a package of a manual quickly
Starting point is 00:19:26 and picks for Trey Young, per Jake Fisher. This whole ride-up is on the screen right now. You can read it. He sang last February, the previous chat deadline when they were still gung-ho about keeping Trey Young and hadn't accepted yet that he was going to be traded. The Raptors were interested. Try to get the quickly contract and some arrangement of draft capital.
Starting point is 00:19:42 which obviously they did not get in this year's trade zero picks involved mo what do you feel when you read this um i'm i'm happy i don't want to manual immanuel quickly on my team only because he's obviously like a much worse player than trium but more importantly like he's being paid like so much more money and whatever draft picks that they did like dangle over our heads your team is not terrible your team is if you do make it into the lottery for whatever reason which i don't expect you to with trayon scotty barnes on your team like you're going to have a bad lottery pick toward the back half of it. Those picks are meaningless
Starting point is 00:20:16 and on top of that too Emmanuel Quicki's money is like... You think a bad lottery pick is meaningless? It's a lottery pick. I don't, I'm not betting that it's going to bang at all.
Starting point is 00:20:24 I'm betting that'll bang more than I'm betting T.J. McCormick, Kisbury Hissborough being. It's not about that. It's about the cap space. So I prefer the flexibility. That's fair.
Starting point is 00:20:32 But I think back-end lottery picks that's, listen, you just got the number one pick overall with the back-in lottery pick. Anything can happen. But that's not guaranteed for them specifically. That's why I'm like,
Starting point is 00:20:40 But good role players are often found in 10 through 14. Those are still very good picks. That's my entire team right now. You think I want another one? Yes. Another good role player? No, give me a fucking star or it's nothing. Well, you didn't get neither of those things.
Starting point is 00:20:54 You got something and it wasn't a star. But guess what? That thing is just hope. Yeah, sure, sure. I'd rather have hope than just fucking $30 million in manual quickly on my team. Yeah, that makes sense. The idea of picking flexibility, I'm just, I'm not going to let you treat a lottery pick like it's a 29th.
Starting point is 00:21:10 picking the draft like this lot of fix are good but the idea of going capital flexibility route over quickly who is certifiably not worth the contract he was given I can understand that it would still be nice to get some picks though is it is it worth paying to man you quickly a hundred million dollars over the next three years probably it's only three years it's probably only only three years that's a long time that's a long time I can't do that right sure that's a long time he's not the worst player in the world he's it's a problem when you have five players make that much money on the raptors it's an issue when you're overall
Starting point is 00:21:40 a rather cheap team post-Tray-on with the Rocks. Dude. You still have some flexibility. It's not like cookies making $60 million a year. So you wouldn't be completely incapable of making other moves. I bet if they could redo that, they'd consider it heavily. No, I wouldn't do that. Dude, he's making $32 million, of course, this season, but up until the year 20-29.
Starting point is 00:21:59 That's half the max these days for, like, the time of best player. It's not as much as it feels. That's not a crazy amount to be making for a, he could be a striking point guard. For what teams? He's probably worth $24 million. So like 32, he's overpaid. So again, not worth the contract. They gave him was a mistake.
Starting point is 00:22:14 That's not debilitating. So getting quickly does not mean the hawks have no flexibility. I understand that. But also like you're trading. And I do agree. Like I think that they should have went the cap route just because you traded away. Like worst case scenario if you kept tri young was that in like a year and a half, he's going to opt into that $50 million play option and you're going to pay somebody $50 million
Starting point is 00:22:36 that you don't want to pay $50 million. If you trade for quickly, obviously you get some more competition with the with the draft picks but instead of paying somebody 50 million dollars that you don't want to give them that that money you say what do we pay somebody a hundred million dollars for three years that we don't want to give this this money like i i do like the fact that they said no to that just got rid of the quote unquote problem in the team building construction that they have right now and now they they have the ability once again it still is ridiculous that they got no picks whatsoever
Starting point is 00:23:09 not even a second round draft pick, that's ridiculous. But that, if you want to go that route, I'm cool with that. And if you have, if those are the only two options, I think they pick the right option. It's also hard to say what the draft capital was, what they were given up. Like, if it was like last year's first-on pick and you tell me you up quickly and Colin Murray Boyles, give me that easily over getting Cidgen McCollum and Corey Kisperit. Yeah. But was it their first round pick unprotected?
Starting point is 00:23:33 I don't know. Yeah. He's probably given, actually, I don't know. Trajan's owed value last year. He wasn't quite where he created out to be. Maybe it could have been their first time picked him last year just one pick from the 2025 draft. That's probably fairly realistic.
Starting point is 00:23:45 But it's also realistic that it's like a two years removed pick so they can maintain their one now thing around Trey Young get one more player. Maybe it's a couple swaps. I don't know. Yeah. Whatever it is. If it was swaps, different conversation.
Starting point is 00:23:55 If it's like picks with super like minuscule protections, then different conversations. Was that the 10th pick, if I remember correctly? Something like that, right? Yeah. I think, I mean, couldn't have known at that point. So maybe they wouldn't have done it because maybe they still had.
Starting point is 00:24:10 Actually, no, they were trying to win last year. No, no, last year they had the disaster year. So maybe they would have hoped that pick ended up higher. So it probably wasn't going to be the 20-25 pick. But I could also understand if they would have been like, here, take this. We're getting training. We're going to win now. We're going to get out of the lottery.
Starting point is 00:24:22 You never know. Yeah. So I'm not upset this non-move last year. Speaking of non-moves, the Milwaukee Bucks are trying to do something worse when a non-move. They're trying to actively acquire a bad contract. The Milwaukee Bucks are showing interest in John Morrill. and Zach Levine per Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. This is off the heels of them clearly still trying to go all in on getting Yannis a chance
Starting point is 00:24:44 to win now. They clearly are going to punt this decision until this offseason. Yana said, I'm not requesting a trade. I'm here. I'm giving them a playoff run, right? Cool. They're going to do the opposite of sell. They're trying to do whatever they possibly can to make this team better with the
Starting point is 00:24:56 limited assets they have. And when you don't have the picks to go out and get an appealing player, you don't have the interesting salaries to go out and get a lateral move, changing their play styles. What did you do? you go to the bargain bin and you try to say I can fix them and these are two I can fix them names that are going to be gotten for the cheap because nobody else believes they can fix them.
Starting point is 00:25:14 If you're the bucks man, stand up. Stand up. You got to know when somebody doesn't like you. They're running over you right now. Oh my goodness. What do you think about these two names? Because like, okay, so put aside the honest thing. I understand if you're going to go in the bargain bin
Starting point is 00:25:27 and you're going to try and obviously you wreak up desperation and you are trying everything that you can, yes, we're going to go out and get one the biggest name so that we can show really everybody and even the casuals that we're trying to do something. And we're going to try and see if we can get this young, this young star that's been, been through a lot. We're going to try and, you know, revive his career, all that. Or is Zach Levine, who is just a veteran and a very, very solid player who can score and give Janus some more, some more, um, wink scoring. It makes, it makes sense. But ultimately, if you, if you do this,
Starting point is 00:26:04 you are not going to instantly be vaulted to the top of the East of Conference and now be in like tier one of the East and be a legitimate contender. And you're going to set yourself back a couple years when ultimately at the end of this year, Janus is finally going to sit. He's going to sit down with somebody. And we've already talked about the quotes. He's going to be. It hurts my heart to do this. But like I just, I can't be here anymore.
Starting point is 00:26:28 I just have to do what's best for me. He's going to leave. And you're going to be stuck with John Moran and Zach Levine for another two, two, three years. Yeah. I understand it. Like the honest thing, like he's saying, I'm giving you more time whether or not he should or not, which is like beyond the point anymore, they have to try to get the team better, right? Like if Yonis is saying, I'm going to stay, try to give me a chance, they can't do nothing, right?
Starting point is 00:26:48 They can't be like, well, what do you think is smartest if we do nothing now because we know you're going to leave? No, he's decided he's saying. So you've got to do what's in your power to make your team better. This is probably more opportune than trading. I don't even know what their second round pick cash is like right now, but like trading second round picks trying to get Keon Ellis and saying that'll change your life. This is probably a better move, right?
Starting point is 00:27:07 Like then trying to hope you can be the team to actually fix these guys, whether or not it's going to happen or not. Yeah, yeah, that is true. I think this is a better move than that. And not only because John Murray specifically is a better move because it gives you a slightly bigger window for your future, while also impacting your now and Zach Levinez is purely like a now play. And probably is like honestly a better fit.
Starting point is 00:27:29 So when it comes to like who's better between the two, it depends on what you want out of it for the future. future. But in general, like, that process is smart. If you know Janus is just playing this weird in between game and for now is committing, then, okay, I get it. Like, this is honestly the best outcome and scenario for you. Yeah. And for them, if, if I had to pick between these two names, I'm, I'm picking in Zach Levine. I think that, I think the fit is better. That's a sentence nobody should say. I'm sorry. Zach Levine's one of the most cursed NBA players in fucking history. He really is.
Starting point is 00:28:00 The other option is signing up for the John Moran experience. At this moment, and I do think that one, Levine is a benefit with Janice. I think Levine is much, much less of a headache than John Moran. And Zach Levine's contract, it's this year and then it's a player option for next year. If everything decides, if everything goes south and even if it's not this off season or midway through next season, Janice ultimately decides, I don't want to be here, trade me. Fine. And then after that year, then you're also done with Zach Levine and you can have a complete reset.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Then I think that there's flexibility there if you go with him over John Moran. Yeah. Cody Williams, 15 points. 5 for 9 field goals made 32 minutes. Minus 60. The worst plus minus in a single game in NBA history. They lost by, I think it was 65 points to the Charlotte Hornets. a couple nights ago.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Nobody's paying attention. This happened. And, you know, single game plus minus doesn't mean a whole lot. It's not, no, it's nobody one player's fault. You lose by over 50. Why they do them like this, man? This face is attached to the single worst game
Starting point is 00:29:11 in NBA history. That's hilarious. Makes sense. Off of this picture alone, it makes sense. How unfortunate. I also think that there should be a barrier where if you're, because minus 60s for a day.
Starting point is 00:29:23 It's hilarious. I think after minus like 40, there should be a cap. Don't track it no more. Exactly. Either stop counting. And then somehow, if somehow, if it's worse than that,
Starting point is 00:29:33 you get to minus 55, you get the dentist shoulder, you're suspended. Go home. Yeah, you're not here. Just a hilarious note. And yeah,
Starting point is 00:29:43 shout out the Hornets being the bricks off the Utah Jazz. The Hornets, man. The offense is clicking. Lavello's back. Shout out them. Let's see. Per John Hollinger.
Starting point is 00:29:54 Michael Porter Jr. is a lock to be traded before the traded line. Now, I think this might be him making... This isn't a report, I don't think. It says report. That's because Leakin Hoops is lazy. I don't... John Hollander isn't a reporter like that.
Starting point is 00:30:07 I think this is his informed opinion based on talking people in the NBA as somebody who's clearly connected. He views it as a lock and Michael Poe Jr. will be traded. Mark Stein reported yesterday that he's getting some pushback there when he's asking around,
Starting point is 00:30:18 that he thinks the Nets aren't 100% we have to trade him. They're going to be smart. That he said that he thinks the Nets, prefer to wait until after the draft lottery to see where that goes before making a Michael Port Jr. opinion.
Starting point is 00:30:29 Sounds to me like the nets are putting it out there through Mark Stein saying, hold on, we're not desperate. You better give us some good offers because we might keep him. But reading the tea leaves, sounds like he's very available.
Starting point is 00:30:40 If you ask Warrior's Twitter, they are fully convinced he will be a Golden State Warrior. It is 100% in their minds. He's going to be the trade acquisition at the deadline. Do you want to see that? If not, where do you want to see him go?
Starting point is 00:30:50 Yeah, I'm definitely for the Warriors. That's great. I'm cool with that. Anything to save my I like Skane Goats career and the end in the ending of his tenure there. I'm cool with because clearly the, you know, clearly Draymond has has dropped a level. We're not seeing the rising or the carrying that we're seeing from Jimmy Butler.
Starting point is 00:31:10 Just keep rotating guys in to get step curry help. I'm cool with that. And if in the process, the nets go out and you get yourself a good deal. And like if you trade MPJ for like two first-on picks or something like that, ultimately you flip Cam Johnson for three first-on picks, Listen, that's good business and I can get behind that. Dude, last night when they played the Hawks, they, Curry did his thing, gave him 31 points.
Starting point is 00:31:33 Jimmy Butler, 30 points as well. Everything in between that is fucking hilarious. Dremont, five, Quinn Post, eight. Moses Moody, two, Guy Santos. Five. Al Horford, five. High score, third high score on that team was De Anthony Melton with just a whopping 10 points.
Starting point is 00:31:51 Nice. Shout out, De Anthony. You got to double digits. Let's go. They need so much juice, man. Woke up feeling scary. I hope they trade my proportion here. I think I fully understand it if they don't.
Starting point is 00:32:01 If the offers aren't there, he's played well enough that you can just have a good player that, like, clearly he doesn't preclude you from being a lottery team. You're not going to be forced to. It's not some move where you've got to trade him to have a top 10 pick. You can still get the seventh pick in the draft,
Starting point is 00:32:12 which is not what we want from a team rebuilding. You probably want to get one of those top three picks in such a loaded draft class. If that's not attainable, if already too many games ahead, I don't hate just keeping him and seeing what happens. You've already got a distressed asset
Starting point is 00:32:24 that you've made into a really great player, that was not a given that he'd be able to do this. I kind of understand both ways, but selfishly, I would love to see him on a good team, so I really, really hope they trade them. They're smart. They will cash in high.
Starting point is 00:32:34 Sell high as hell, because I don't think, how much better is he going to be than this right now? No, no, he's never better than this. Exactly. Do you want to be your life market? Do you want him to be your guy
Starting point is 00:32:43 that is around your young players as you rebuild? Yeah, no, I'm good on that. I'm good because... You need something. Where are the Utah jazz right now? Not relevant still, still, no matter what.
Starting point is 00:32:53 Yeah. No, I'm not necessarily expecting the Nets to get super relevant either way. So I'm like, it's here for this, be here for a good time. Yeah. Yeah. You know who's not here for a good time. I know who's here for the worst time in the goddamn world and who's addicted to that worst time?
Starting point is 00:33:04 Tell me. New Orleans Pelicans. The New Orleans Pelicans are disappointing the market and informing teams that Zion Williamson, Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, Derek Queen, and Jeremiah Fears will remain with the organization past the February 5th trade deadline. They are saying, guys, stop hitting my phone. I'm not moving anybody. I'm not doing a damn thing.
Starting point is 00:33:25 My house is burning down and I like the way it feels. The way that they have like the offseason hard knocks in the NFL, I need that for the Pelicans. Oh my God. Why would you want that? Because I need to see what goes on in their building. Please. I need some video of some of the conversation that they have with each other. That's a blockbuster horror film right now.
Starting point is 00:33:47 Because ultimately, like it might just be Joe Dumas talking to a wall. I don't understand why you can be in this position of not having your not having your first-all pick for this next year. The team being disappointing. The team being so bad up to this point that you're probably going to give the Hawks like a top seven pick, whatever. And you don't want to flip Herb Jones or Trey Murphy? Herb Jones is the one that I don't understand. Zion, okay, very distressed asset. I don't want to sell low.
Starting point is 00:34:19 Okay. Trey Murphy, relatively young. Shooter can play off ball. I like him next to my foundational players of Derek Queen and Fears. Okay, Derek Queen and Fears, Rookies not going to move them. Herb Jones is pushing 30 as a wing defender that those type of players don't always have the best shelf life.
Starting point is 00:34:36 Those type of players are way more valuable to a contender than a team that is infinitely far away from contending. I feel like that's the most natural way to get some draft passes in the door in a year when you don't have any doing in between thing where you make some smart moves on the margins and make yourself slightly better for next year with slightly more young players
Starting point is 00:34:51 while maintaining your core nucleus, that feels like the easiest outcome to me. It doesn't make sense. Listen, man, Joe Dumars, don't listen to the haters. You be you. Move how you move, man. Don't let no one change you at all. You know your identity.
Starting point is 00:35:06 Keep like just keep the main thing to main thing. I promise everything to work out. Speaking of that, Joe Dumars, don't listen to any of the replies. I'm going to scroll down here. What is in the first reply says? I don't know. What a stupid fucking franchise? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Let's see. They can just keep losing and get more first round draft choice. That's a bot. His Twitter blues. Terrible. Enjoy poverty, LOL. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:35:32 there ain't know, smart move, building around Zion and Herb is a way to go. We got straight bots on Twitter. Yeah, it's like, it doesn't make sense. And I think that for them,
Starting point is 00:35:44 it's like, they're going to mess up and like, they're going to mess up and, going to mess up and be like a buyer or something. A buyer, God. You're right, actually. That is Joe Duma. They're going to share for John Moran. Fuck.
Starting point is 00:36:01 Oh, Joe, Joe, Joe. Mr. Dumars, when I catch you. Actually, I won't do anything since it's funny. But when Pelicans fans catch you, it will be funny. Next thing we're going to do, let's switch over to the main topic of this episode, as you see by the title.
Starting point is 00:36:17 We are going to draft the best duos in the NBA. When I say draft, this is essentially like a group ranking. We're going to sit down and we're going to argue over a collective list that all three of our names are attached to you that somebody will inevitably ruin for the other. We'll start with Donovan, you go first, Mo second, me third. And we won't even do a snake draft. We'll just kind of go around like a regular draft. We're going to do this based on if the playoffs started today, who you trust the most on your team. So if you got to draft these players like a traditional draft to be your star duo you build around who you'd want based on this season's play very much today.
Starting point is 00:36:49 Okay. So, you know, if a player is injured, you don't got to factor that in. But like this, everyone's healthy, this current season version of them. First off, we're taking Yolkits and Jamal Murray. Yeah. Hands down. We're taking the best player in the world and somebody in Jamal Murray who has leveled up, all-star level played this year, been the best version of himself. We've seen what they can do. We've seen how complimentary they are. I'm taking them first overall. Murray is the reason that's number one easily Like obviously for a long time This has been considered The best duo in the NBA But there's been some others
Starting point is 00:37:20 That have like flirted with that title We've said that about a few different guys right With Jamal Murray being playoff Jamal Murray Or at least like 2023 Platt John Murray For the entire season averaging his most points for game
Starting point is 00:37:30 In the most efficient manner Being a playmaker since Yokuch went out There was a game he had like 15 assists He has been crazy Like if he's playing at this level For a full sustained season There's not even a question Like this is by far
Starting point is 00:37:42 The best combination of sidekick plus best player in the world. Yeah, yeah, I agree. And they're proven too. This is the right choice. And now they finally have depth. Like, I feel like at this point with how everything's going, like, it's so likely they're actually going to be the champions.
Starting point is 00:37:55 There's not even a close second to me. I don't know who you're considering number two. It's in a different stratosphere. In terms of duos? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:02 I think because the other top players, they, they, like, their duo, their co-star has, has flaws. And so they're not like as, the synergy isn't as great as, with Yokin-Murie. Yeah, exactly. The synergy, they make each other better. They fit well, they have the chemistry. Jamal Murray isn't a defensive liability. Yokic, well, obviously not being defensively slanted.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Amazing. Isn't a total liability either. It's not like you have one person on the court that's going to sink your defense or offense. It's kind of just perfect. Yeah. I agree. I think number two, the right way to go is with Shea and at this point in time, Chet. Obviously, like, they don't, like them as a duo isn't as cohesive as Yokic
Starting point is 00:38:43 Jim Murray because they just have great strengths, but they don't necessarily like play into each other as much, as much, because of course, Shea's not as, he's not the greatest playmaker, but it's certainly not like an Uber weakness. And then Chet, he, like, he needs to be force-fed at times. And that just makes his life so much easier. So regardless of the fact, though, like the defense, the spacing, Chet's off the bounce game. And occasionally you'll see Shea, like, try to involve him here and there. I think this is a finder for number two. Yeah, they're kind of the opposite of Yokocha Murray, where Yonkich and Murray are number one
Starting point is 00:39:15 by a landslide because when they're together, the way they play off each other, the way Yolkicha strengths make Murray better and vice versa, they are an unstoppable duo that are very multiplying in their abilities. Shea and Chet are very unmoultiplifying. Like you said,
Starting point is 00:39:28 Shea is god-awful at setting up Biggs as a playmaker. I haven't seen him throw Chet a lot, but I don't know how long. Chet would be much better with a different point guard. But Shea got the offense, Che got the defense.
Starting point is 00:39:38 Like the way they both split duties and like are the nucleus of each side of the ball, The whole Oklahoma City defense works super well because they hounding ball pressure they have with their guards helps a lot to have a great big behind that to be the core of it so the guards can be as aggressive as possible because they don't got to worry about,
Starting point is 00:39:54 you know, leaking too much pressure where they get blown by and all of a sudden it's a free layup. There's no free leaps in chess on the court. Then offensively, they can play all these defenders, play all these guys who aren't the best on-ball creators because Chet got us. Because She got us. It's like a delegation of duties rather than making each other better.
Starting point is 00:40:08 Yeah, I agree. Yeah, you just got two guys who's like, all right, man, let's hoop. And they just hold it down. So who's number three? I'm going to go. So these are the two, I think, are obviously one and two. Now we have, we're just going to be a preference type of thing.
Starting point is 00:40:26 Because there's no other obvious ones. The best players in the world outside of these two don't have obvious superstar teammates, I don't think. And I think I'm going to go Luca and Reeves. No. Not Luke and LeBron? No, I'm going to go Luke and Reeves because when the Lakers were at their best, it was because Luca and Reeves were the best scoring duo in the N. fell in the NBA by a wide margin.
Starting point is 00:40:46 They, Luca was averaging like 35 and Reeves 30. It was crazy. They're 13 and 1 now in clutch situations because they just lost one to the bucks in hilarious fashion. Before that 13 and no. Most of those games were because Reeves and Luca
Starting point is 00:40:58 were walking people down in the clutch. These two have such a good chemistry as offensive creators that I guess it's kind of like take turns, but they're so goddamn good at it that it's okay and obviously Reeves can play off ball that the defense is why they're not in the conversation
Starting point is 00:41:12 for one or two for me, where you might look at the Yokic and Murray stats versus Luca and Reeves together and say it's kind of comparable, right? Both of these guys have an MVP level player that's putting up stupid numbers, averaging a near triple double or triple double at times, and a second star who's pushing 30 points your game, leading bench units. The defense is why they can't be top three, you know? Even though Murray and Yokic aren't killing it defensively, they're a lot better, bring more value than Luke and Reeves.
Starting point is 00:41:36 Okay. Do you think they're third? Is that a reach to say non-defense entities? No, I don't think it's a reach just for the The disclaimer that you had said, which was after this, it's not a lot of superstar duos And so now we're trying to not now it's a lot of like which two people do you think would be the best to to build around Yeah, and the playoffs set in too. We're talking about going to playoffs. Yeah, and that's how that's how I'm looking at this because like looking at them and and and the team and like How much do I trust the trust the duo? It's very hard because
Starting point is 00:42:10 is like Luca and Reeves are two very, very score first-minded people. And so for a lot of these other duels, like you might have some bigs that are defensive slanted, that that's kind of like their end. And now you're trying to parse like, do I trust you on defense and how much did that like working in a paraproval? Yeah. So I think this is fair to have them right here. It's also tough because we saw one playoff series, them together. And Reeves did not have a good playoff series, got locked up by Anthony Edwards and Jada McDaniels.
Starting point is 00:42:37 But then he comes out this year. and it's hard because there might be an inclination to say it's small sample size because we've never seen him do this before and he came out in such a heater that maybe it's fake, which it might be, you know, he might come back down to Earth.
Starting point is 00:42:49 He's shooting 76% at the rim and 60% from Florida range. That's ridiculous. Like to do that for 20, how many games did he play before he got hurt? To do that for 23 games, that's not nothing. That's crazy with the type of usage he had,
Starting point is 00:43:02 the type of responsibility he had while also being one of the better playmakers on the team, it's no coincidence DeAndre Aiden is having a slow stretch after Austin Reed's goes out because Austin Reeves was the one that was kind of the nucleus of setting Darandraden up for success as a passer. He kind of was playing at that like on ball, heliocentric, do-it-all, super-star type of level. Yeah, I see what you mean. And I also would agree with you and finalize your question or your assumption.
Starting point is 00:43:25 And maybe it's fake. I think it's super, super real, especially considering the fact that, okay, like, I see you last year. You go to Boston. JJ Wright, it's like, yeah, we need you to go ahead and get 40. He got you 40 and a triple double without LeBron and Luca. like he always had this opportunity. It feels like he just leveled up his game. So the playoff stuff super concerning.
Starting point is 00:43:45 They're both absolute cones. Luca is even like worst theory. He's not even a cone. His motherfucker's like a squash. He's so bad at that end. And but regards of all that, seeing both of them just be able to go, like walk into the any arena and give you 30, 10 and 10. Like that's no, not too many others.
Starting point is 00:44:01 Pretty much no other like duo in the league and do that. Yeah. They need the most help from their three through five. I had really three through 10 and cover up the weaknesses, but I think they have the highest ceiling lip on this list if you can have that proper roster around them,
Starting point is 00:44:15 which they don't. So they will surely go outside and you will surely come at me and say they're overrated, they'll never win because of defense, and I will have to eat it for a whole summer and pray Robert Polinka
Starting point is 00:44:24 get some defenders so next year they have a chance. I'm going to get Blitz the summer and I know it. Get ready. I will. I'm destined. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:31 Who's number four? So I have three options here. or three duos that I think are at the top that deserve to be number four I feel I'm going aunt and go bear That's respectable I get it Yeah Why go bear and not randall is a question for people are going to have
Starting point is 00:44:46 Because obviously people understand aunt being up next And he has a better second star than some of the players Are slightly better than him Why do you go randall I mean go bear over the offensive star and randle Same reason it's basically diet she and chet In terms of aunt can hold down the offense Gober can hold down the defense
Starting point is 00:45:02 and they work better together than She and Chet, but obviously Shea and Sheet's awesome. But Gobert has returned to form after like we've had some moments over the past couple of years where like, hey, it's looking like it's about to be the end of the Gobert era. And then he just turns up and is able to hold down the defense. And every single year levels up. We're looking at him, top six player in the world. The consistency that you have between these two guys.
Starting point is 00:45:32 is outstanding. And I feel, I feel the same way with them as, as you do with Luca and Reeves, which is if you have a supporting cat, and obviously this is, we're going to say this about every duo
Starting point is 00:45:43 because we're talking about two people. But if they have the supporting cast, we've seen them be able to be anchors of teams that make deep playoff runs. Yeah. And I think you can go, or go bare and it wouldn't be crazy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:56 And has like, it's not really been talked about enough because I think people have kind of like, just like propelled into top tier and haven't, Like, once you kind of hit that top tier of players, you're just like a superstar and people kind of just expect you to kill it. And, like, there isn't as much attention paid to your year by year changes and improvements as there is when we're at a lower tier trying to break into that superstar tier.
Starting point is 00:46:14 And it has been insane. This is by far the best version of Ant we've ever seen. He's still shooting 40% from 3, still being a killer there. And is way better at the rim than was last year. Last year he made that three point leap, only shot 64% at the rim, which is very pedestrian for a slashing guard of that athleticism. Back up the 71% now, the best of his career, two years ago was 69%. this is one of the best scores in the NBA.
Starting point is 00:46:35 If you want to tell me you think this season all and all with how Lucas has been playing how the few point shot isn't falling that you think Ant has been better than him and deserves his first team all NBA spot over him, I don't think that's crazy. Yeah, honestly, yeah, looking back at it now, if I'm starting out a team, sounds crazy for this year, but I'd rather have in Gobert rather than Luca and Rees just to have an overall more cohesive like style and brand of basketball. The only reason I didn't do that is because the Gobert playoff stuff that like it. maybe doesn't quite transit all the time
Starting point is 00:47:04 and it's this get a pool so that's the only reason I didn't do it. Play him off the court. Yeah, and not quite to that degree. But he can't play. He can't play.
Starting point is 00:47:11 I'm sorry, he can't do it. He doesn't played off the court. But yeah, I mean, he didn't have his best showing. I'm just choosing to believe that this. Now, my parents man got him. I'm choosing that he can have a better playoff showing and this could be a crazy duo.
Starting point is 00:47:22 But it's definitely not crazy to say, Ann, Gober is better. Yeah. And we're like, we're going to see with the Tim Wolves, I don't think that they're going to, we say this every year, But like, I don't think that they're going to make a deep playoff run, especially because a lot of their depth has been sniped over these last two years.
Starting point is 00:47:36 But if they get back to a point going into next year where they're able to replenish a lot of pieces, maybe some guys take leaps. I fully expect them to be back where they have been for the last two years. Okay. Where we're one, number five? At number five, at first I had issues thinking about, damn, who's like the fifth best dude and do on the league right now? But now they realize that I pretty much don't. I can't let this duo slide any more longer. It's got to be Wemby and Fox.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Okay. It's now this is the duo that we've seen. Yeah, this is the duo that we've seen the least. They're the newest duo or one of the newer duos in the league right now. But bro, like when they play together, they have like a net rating of plus like plus 14 or something like that. It's pretty great. Pretty great. And Wemby, you guys have heard all the glakes.
Starting point is 00:48:24 He's the best defensive player in the entire goddamn NBA. And he finally has a player. was competent enough to carry him and do certain things that to make his life so much easier because naturally he's a big. He can't bring the floor. He can't bring the ball up before. Oh, so often. And Deerr Fox will take so many clutch shots.
Starting point is 00:48:42 He will also make simple passes sometimes. Of course, like he has struggles here and there. And as of late, he's been slumping. But overall, I think that deep into the playoffs, like, we're going to see the real fruits of Deerner Fox and how Wembe will be like one of the biggest benefit. beneficiaries in the entire league because of how he has gears to his game. It's so tough because this should be a fantastic pick. But the past two weeks since the Spurs blitzed the Oklahoma City Thunder, beat them several times, came out, made everybody say you are a real contender because your guards are insane.
Starting point is 00:49:15 Your defense at Wemby's insane. The athleticism of a role player is. The effort's insane. You have three young guards that are all so athletic. Wemby constantly has somebody that can feed him to some degree, constantly has somebody who can initiate offense to some degree. ever since we all made that realization and acceptance of them in the top tier, all three of those guards turned into goddamn pumpkins,
Starting point is 00:49:33 all three of them have been terrible for two weeks now. It's hilarious. But I'm willing to say, okay, I can still look past that and say when the playoffs start, assuming they lock in and everybody gets out their slumps, this is a fine pick. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Do Fox over the last two weeks?
Starting point is 00:49:47 Terrible? He's averaged like 16.5 points a game, 22% from the three-point line, 43% from three. It's a slump, I'm assuming. I know he's not. this bad for real. Of course.
Starting point is 00:49:58 Yeah. So I think once this conversation progresses and once the playoffs comes and when we see them get their first round in and their second round in potentially, like I think we'll look at this and potentially argue like, oh, like, this could be higher. Yeah. This is a Wembe pick. Let's be real. It's a Wemby and Pals pick.
Starting point is 00:50:16 We decided to pick Fox as the Pall that seemingly will have the most playoff impact. But if this ends up being Wembe and Castle in the summer instead of Wembe and Fox, I think we'd all understand. Yeah. I'm going to go with Cade Cunningham and Jalen Daryndarren at number six. Wow. Cade Cunningham
Starting point is 00:50:31 just continues to level up. The control he has of the game, the way that he just completely dictates the pace with his playmaking, doesn't give back a ton of value defensively as a big guard who can block some shots. And now he has an Uber athletic big who has added to his bag
Starting point is 00:50:44 is a solid play finisher, is developing as a solid rim protector. This is mostly a Cade and Friends pick, but I think Cade's the best player here left with the best sidekick. Some of the guys above him don't really have a superstar teammate don't really have an all-star teammate i feel good about and i think durin's a hit just good enough that i
Starting point is 00:50:59 feel good putting him here wow yeah kade i think even even with the with all of the the turnovers the overtaxing there's still a sense of like i feel safe with kate like i feel like we're i feel like we're on the right track and if we can get a couple guys to knock down a couple threes we will be okay we'll see what they do at the at the deadline that's ultimately going to give them like their push but kade being the point of your of your team is okay now in the playoffs we saw what happened last year right we do need to resurrect um our our play we do need to get back to a level where everything that we're seeing in the regular season the leveling up that translates over so i probably would have had them maybe at like eight like i probably would win like one one or two more
Starting point is 00:51:48 picks before them just because i do want to see that from from kate you know why i win them why i'm sick of watching chronothy downs brinson and captain I'm not even thinking about that. I think there's another duo outside that I'd rather have. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I just think that if I'm hoping to do some of the deadline, if they had Derek White at shooting
Starting point is 00:52:05 guard or somebody like that, somebody that's one of these premier third options for these teams that can be a ball handler, their lives would be changed. And I think they're that close away. So this is really me like praying they make that move with the deadline. And then we have a beautiful playoff run because they get the one worst piece they need. Yeah, I agree. And they have the best officer synergy on this list outside of Joe Kitch and Murray. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:52:27 They do complement each other's game like super well. Yeah, most of these guys are just two great players that play together. These two, I think, are actually a duo that make each other better offensively. Okay. Okay, I can see that. Like, when me and Fox just play together. Like, whenby goes off the bench, nobody really sets them up like that. He takes a lot of elbow touches.
Starting point is 00:52:42 Like, they just play together. It's co-worker. Yeah. They're not really a duo yet. Nobody really says one to be up like that to have a real duo yet. Yeah. I understand that. Who's on number seven, Donovan?
Starting point is 00:52:51 We are going to go with KD and Shengu. That's who I'd rather have than K. darned. Yeah, yeah. It hasn't been going too well as the past week. Granted Shane Goodsman Hurt. Came back last night. They lost again. There's a lot of buzz going on right now. People were like, should the Rockets regret getting Kevin Durant? It's not working. It's kind of falling off a little bit. They have been playing rather disappointing. But I do, I'll let you explain this pick. I do so understand. Yeah, I think they're also in the middle of like real synergy and co-workers. Like there's some moments where they legitimately play off of each other.
Starting point is 00:53:22 But a lot of times, especially when we're getting into the end of games, and like, you really, really have to make a comeback. Like, whenever it's close, I think that the Rockets feel very comfortable. It's like, okay, we only need it to. We feel good, you know, throwing the ball down to Shengu. In games like last night, when you're down by like five and you need a three, then it's like, all right, Katie, now you take over. Now you take all the jumpers. You take all the threes. And we're going to look to you in late game situations.
Starting point is 00:53:52 However, I think with the playmaking of Shangun, I do think with Katie's still insane, you know, shot making ability. I trust them to get one, whatever shot, especially for Katie, whatever shot they want, and then for for Shangun to be able to have a two-man game that can, they can really, really put a lot of stress on the defense. And so in terms of a two-man game, I think that their two-man game when it's at it, when it's at its peak is top five on, on this list. this pushing top three in terms of like like yogi to murray really straining the defense and honestly katy and shangoon were at their best that might be number two right now i don't know if i also okay i don't know how often we can get their best it could be i think this might prove to be a rather inconsistent duo which it's easy for me to say that now when shangoon's been hurt and they're going through their struggle so i'm not going to overreact too much to them
Starting point is 00:54:42 having a rough week or two like long season it happens especially when shangoon missed his time kate and dur and a lot better defensively to me these two are perfectly capable of being a good defense as we're seeing, you know, but that Rockets defense is about everybody else around them, which props to them having a fantastic roster for these two. I don't think Katie and Shink bring nearly as much defensive value as Kate and Duren do in terms of their positional value with Kate being such a good point guard defender, which brings a lot of value to your defense, having a guy with that much size as your weakest defender on the court. And I think Kate's the best player of the three not counting Duren.
Starting point is 00:55:14 Okay. I, yeah, I agree with that. So that was my tiebreaker. I do think it's close. But that's why I went with Caden Duren. I'm just kind of betting on the Kade as and noticing the small question marks with the rocket season. Yeah. Okay. So at number eight, this might sound a little crazy, but I have my reasons. Okay. It's going to be ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:55:33 Jalen Johnson and Chris Hopkins? God, no, man. Chrisops? No, Jalen Johnson and Luke? I'm just kidding. No, I have Donovan Mitchell and 18 and 8 man, Evan Moby. That's not ridiculous at all. Explain.
Starting point is 00:55:44 I wanted to go with Brunston and Kat. Brunson is obviously like a top 10 player in the NBA. currently I'd rather have them on my team than someone like De Mitch. You know, they're pretty much like neck and neck. They can see, look each other in the eyes. But the biggest difference for me personally is cat. That's the whole like point of discussion where I'm like, okay, you already know what you are defensively. The whole world and the whole neighborhood knows about your, knows about your whole neighborhood.
Starting point is 00:56:11 Exactly. Exactly. We guarantee you the lady next door knows about cat in the defense. You've had HOA meetings about your defense. Get it together. We're trying to find ways to go ahead and nerve it. but we can't. Evan Mowby's a defense player of the year. Evan Mowbly can he's so talented defensively and he obviously was a defense player the year and on top of that too he can give you not the same level of production as cat compared to offensively but about a tier below and I think those two fare each other off pretty like much much much your ceiling is much higher compared to what a Brunson and Cat lead team would do. I think if you had D. Mitch and Mowgli and in between that O'Dononobie and all these. other like very like savvy damn near defensive minded wings on this team you will see a way
Starting point is 00:56:57 different outcome yeah this is a ridiculous to me you don't even got to explain i get it i know you have to explain because everybody hates of a mobile right now yeah but you're 100% right an elite defensive big and a great go-to shot maker that's very worthy of a top 10 placement number nine should i start considering curry and draymond is this where we start putting them into the conversation as curry's still great and maybe if those two had a slightly more Rathamal Casar Island, they can still be up here? That's probably fair. I think they should be considered, yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:24 They should be considered, but I'm going Jalen Brown and Derek White number nine. Jalen Brown and Derek White. Easily. If you didn't think him, I was going to take him. For this season, we're just doing this season and how good they're playing right now, Jalen Brown has been a top 10 player in the league pretty easily. People are giving MVP shouts. Whether or not you think that's, like, reasonable or not, or overglaze, I don't care.
Starting point is 00:57:42 He has been all-MBA level. The season end today would probably be first team all-MBA. And after that initial slump to start the season, where Derek White couldn't make a shot to save his life and it felt like he was too overtax being the second option he's proceeded to play like Derek White for the last two months straight. He is shooting well from the field again,
Starting point is 00:57:58 doing everything you would have wanted from Derek White in this bigger role. They're that high in the standings for a reason. These two are the best two players. Yeah. And the defensive ceiling with these two guys knowing that I can at any time say you go and take you go and take one wing,
Starting point is 00:58:17 you go and take the other wing or you go and you take one of like the best guard out of the game, they fully have the ability to do that. And so when, yeah, I'm cool with this. I understand it. Do I think this would be the case next year? Maybe not. Maybe like if we had, if we played out five years, these two together without Tatum, do I think they would like year by year continue to be this high?
Starting point is 00:58:41 Probably not. Like hopefully Janus gets a better second teammate and he gets his place on this list. Hopefully Kat bounces back and him and Brunson pass them up. But just respecting what they've done just this season, they got to be here. I can't hate it. I can't hate it. I bet if we were to do like a straw poll, they'll net for GMs around the league. They'll net around this area right now.
Starting point is 00:59:01 So, okay, you got it. Number 10, where we're going? We've been hating on it, but they have to be top. I'm going to Canton Brunson here. Okay. I think over Curry and Drevon? Yes. Curry is still better than Brunson.
Starting point is 00:59:14 Debatably? Debatable? I do think that's debatable right now. Draymond has taken such a step back. And also we're talking about duels that we trust in the playoffs. I do not trust Draymond Green in the regular season right now. And I just think, until like, I don't trust them on a Tuesday? No, I don't.
Starting point is 00:59:33 Like these random Tuesday nights in Utah, I for sure don't trust. I don't trust Draymond. And I think for Brunson and Kat, obviously, playoff like championship ceiling, it is very affected, especially with Katz defense more so than Brunson just because of the positional value of being a bad defensive center. But offensively, I think that both of them can be up there. And if we just have playoff shot making from Jalen Brunson, I trust that more than I trust
Starting point is 01:00:06 his skill and his ability to do that and his rising, all of that, more than a lot of other people's skills in the league and in the NBA. So if you tell me that I have Jalen Brunson and just another center who can, who can shoot from three, who can score 20, right? There are certain situations where Kat is good. Obviously, you have to build your team a certain way. But Brunson, every year we get into the playoffs, he's going to have three 40-point games. He's going to have these games where you just give him the ball.
Starting point is 01:00:35 You tell him to go ISO and he gets buckets. I think that's very valuable in the playoffs setting. Yep, I can understand that. For 11, I have the Golden State Warriors. at Draymond and Curry specifically At their absolute peak They could be potentially top five I think they may be top five
Starting point is 01:00:51 They didn't have such a shit cast of characters Like in between them They literally have nothing going for the other Are you sure we should go Jimmy Buller obviously Are you sure we shouldn't go Curry and Butler Buller's better than Draymond now Okay that's fair that's fair
Starting point is 01:01:04 That's fair You can go Butler, that's fair That's fine at this point of time That's fine at this point in time Curry and Butler Same thing applies same shit of cast of characters I can see the same things
Starting point is 01:01:15 Jaramana hasn't been particularly good but when it comes to his game and how he needs guys who can specifically get buckets around him in order to activate his scoring and know how to make the right cuts at the right time his game is so like so based on precision
Starting point is 01:01:31 and there's none of that right now in his team at all so at their best obviously they can be top five but they're far from that right now so they're 11. Yeah this makes total sense I think if they get like an MPJ or whatever, maybe we look up and we say it's silly
Starting point is 01:01:43 to take some of the guys who took above them. Like, do I think if a playoffs series here started today, would it shock me if Curry and Butler outperform brown and white? No, but, you know, giving credit the whole season, we're not going to rank them above them. But yeah, you can never really count out anything with Steph Curry, so I get it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:59 We can't let Janus fall on you further. He's the best player on this list by far. And at a certain point, he carries enough cashé to make up for the lack of second option. His best teammate is Ryan Rollins, I think. Mm-hmm. Not really a duo. And doesn't move the needle enough in terms of their duoship.
Starting point is 01:02:16 Miles Turner, damn sure isn't getting on this list. I'm going to go Janus and Dairy Bird. Yonis and AJ Green. Ew, why? You know why? Because Yonis and AJ Green have the most ridiculous on-off numbers. When those two are on the court together, they're like plus 27. They fucking dominate when Janus and Dairy Bird are together.
Starting point is 01:02:34 And is that real? Is that a small sample size thing? Absolutely. But is there some merit to the fact that when you have your best shooter and probably multiple shooters out there because of it. You kill it with Yannis because he's that individually great. Yes, that is 100% real. The level Yonnas has developed through this year,
Starting point is 01:02:48 he is playing the best basketball I've ever seen him play offensively. The way he's navigating these tight spaces with inopportune spacing, inopportune ball handing around him, playing the game slow, not forcing shots like maybe he would have been in the past, playing post touches and being a playmaker off these double teams and really, really taking the baskets when they're there, he is perfectly understanding how to play this role with a lack of talent around him. So I'm going to give them most essential role player
Starting point is 01:03:11 The Knot here as a duo We're going Janus and Derry Bird 12th Wow man Feels nasty Yonis is doing heavy his back 100% he's doing the most looking Anybody's ever done in their life But no shout out
Starting point is 01:03:23 The numbers exist for a reason Like him and AJ Green have great chemistry Yeah And again this is just a Janus patient Because he can't fall any further Okay I'm looking at the rest of the standings I'm looking at the rest of these duos
Starting point is 01:03:35 And I have no idea who to take here. I will say what I will do is at 13 give me, give me Tyrese and Maxie. Tyrese and Maxie. Just Tyrese Macs. I don't really care who else.
Starting point is 01:03:55 Give me Tyrese and Maxie. I trust him. You can you can put whoever you want. Well, this is a good conversation. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Who's the other star that's part of that duo with Tyrese Maxi? Personally, right now, I guess most consistently it's probably BJ. Vijay's playing great after he got,
Starting point is 01:04:13 he fucking hit that Ricky wall and smashed through it. Joelle Embed has been crazy the past couple weeks. He's looking like All-Star Joel and Beat again. Are we putting him back in that combo? You want to? Like, he's not playing MVP level. He never will again. But that's okay because of Maxis's ascension.
Starting point is 01:04:26 Exactly. He's playing like an all-star. Offensively, he's looked exceptional. He's hindled jumpers, getting to the rim. Defensively, he'll never be all-MBA level defense again, I think. I don't know. I think. I also never thought I'd see this production again.
Starting point is 01:04:37 So maybe he continues to get back closer to what he was. but he's averaging like 27 a game the last few weeks being dominant. I don't hate putting Joelle and Bid on here, even though we understand the question marks long term. Let's enjoy the here and now while we can. Let's appreciate every Jewel and Bede stretch when we get it. Yeah, I think talent-wise, we know that Joelle and Bid is much better than BJ Edgecom right now.
Starting point is 01:04:57 He's better than all these guys. So we can go maxi and Embed, but this right here is really a Tyrese maxi pick. And I think that with his essential, we've seen Tyreys Maxie be absolutely dominant. in the playoffs before. And now that he's taking the next step and the next leap of
Starting point is 01:05:14 saying, I am the number one guy and I can still get my game off. I can still be efficient. I can still do all of these things. He deserves to be top 15 on this list. Wow, man. I respect it. Yeah. And if this sticks, if Joel Embed is at this level for the rest of the season, they'll be a lot higher. Yeah. Like, it's only been a few weeks so we're not going to get two
Starting point is 01:05:30 over his Ellis. But if he continues to score at this level, they're Katie and Sangu level. Why wouldn't they be next to DeMitch and Mowgli and that type of tier of like back in top 10. Maxi plays like 40 minutes a game because he has the most ridiculous stamina I've ever seen. That's a ton of value that you only have to have a handful of minutes without your start point guard on the court. And if Joel and Beat is that elite second option, which maybe isn't even a second option if he's pushing 30 again, like, they can be up there.
Starting point is 01:05:55 But again, it'll take sample size for us to really believe it. And I don't know. Okay. So now this is another like big like seismic gap when it comes to tiers and quality of stars. There's one more left. I think that has to be consideration. That's going to be funny. Oh, it's the Clippers.
Starting point is 01:06:10 There you go. It has to be Hardin and Kauai. Hard to Kauai at this point. They're playing. They should be a lot higher, actually. They're damn near, they're not playing peak basketball, but this is like towards the back end of their peak, which is what it feels like right now. They kind of are playing big basketball.
Starting point is 01:06:23 This is the best Kauai I've seen in years. Dude, he's hooping his ass off right now, wildly efficient. Of course, Sam Silver to what I said about Curry and Butler, everything. All the cats characters in between them? Terrible. Trash. You don't want that at all. But these two as individuals.
Starting point is 01:06:38 hooping their ass off right now. They don't necessarily hoop as like a duo necessarily either. Yeah. It's like, we'll kill him basketball. I'm going to do him up. You do him up. And then these next two positions, I get him again. And then we're going to high five going to the bitch.
Starting point is 01:06:50 And that's it. Exactly. And then we're going to lose our lead. But that's valuable at the end of the day. No, yeah. Kau's just killing everybody by himself right now. He's been crazy. Like he understood the pressure on them right now.
Starting point is 01:07:00 He understood the disaster class in front of them. He understood that at this rate, if we finished, given the Thunder of top five pick, who knows what's going to happen? And he responded. He's playing the best basketball since 2021. Damn, man. He's hooping his ass off.
Starting point is 01:07:13 I got to look at his number specifically because shit is drawing. He's after 27 for the season now. Oh my God. Yes. Very efficient. He's been killing it. Dude, so far this year's having 27, 94% from the line, 38% from 3 on 7 attempts,
Starting point is 01:07:25 which is the most attempts that he's ever taken his goddamn career. Yeah, that's crazy. He's insane. He's ridiculous. We're kind of out of our true star duos now. Now we're looking at like low-level all-star that happen to play together
Starting point is 01:07:39 or one really good player and like a dude I guess give me BAM and Tali Hero? That's not where I would have went to. Actually, I'm not married to that pick. I don't have to pick them
Starting point is 01:07:52 but I'm struggling to think of somebody else. I don't want to pick them because it hasn't been a good Tyler Hero year. Actually, I'm not going to do that because we're paying respect to just this year.
Starting point is 01:07:59 And when I said that, I'm really coasting off of last year when Tyler Hero came into the league healthy came to be the season healthy and had an All-Star year. They had to win 15. But that hasn't been Tyler Hero this year.
Starting point is 01:08:07 So I guess I shouldn't do that. that. Yeah, I agree. Give me Scottie Barnes and Brandon Ingram. I got to go there. Okay. They're winning games. They compliment each other well.
Starting point is 01:08:17 I don't think Brandon Ingram is like, I'm getting my guy. I don't think Brandon Ingram is like a co-star for real. But I think Scottie Barnes is incredible. One of the better two-way players in the league, insanely viable defensively. They're winning games again. I forgetting some of their guys back from injury. And I think Ingram's presence allows Scottie Barnes to be in the right role and that enough gets them to number 15.
Starting point is 01:08:34 And I'm glad that you went there because now I get to make the pick for my guy. Devin Booker and Dylan Brooks. Okay. I think in terms of this tier of, you know, All-Star and just a guy. Kind of same thing I just described with Ingram. Yeah, or weird pairings. I think, yes, but I think Ingram is better than Dylan Brooks. I think that.
Starting point is 01:08:55 Are you sure? Potentially. As a Lakers fan, I'd rather have Brooks. I don't know if that means anything given the players there, but. It depends. And you know what? Listen, considering the season that Dylan Brooks has had, that's, that's okay. And honestly, I would have gone.
Starting point is 01:09:08 with Booker and Brooks over Scotty and Ingram. But Dylan Brooks in terms of, not Dylan Booker is the best player that we're going to talk about for the rest of this list. I think that he is fantastic. I think that we've seen a very good shot making season from Dylan Brooks. And we've seen the versatility of Devin Booker over the last couple years, but even this year specifically, like we've seen him do Devin Booker things. We've seen him play on ball, off ball, playmaking, all that stuff.
Starting point is 01:09:37 I trust them in a in a in a playoff setting. I think that right now it's been good. I like them at 16. The most hilarious that I just looked up is when they play together, of course, they have a positive net rating. It's like plus 3.5, which is good. Not absurd, but it's good. When it's just Dylan Brooks out there alone without him or any other like lead guard
Starting point is 01:09:57 for real, the net rating is disgusting. It's a minus 10 when he's out there alone, bro. It's terrible. Offensive rating of Dylan Brooks led basketball. is 106. That's what I was saying in our report card is great. We need to settle down to the Brooks thing. We're like,
Starting point is 01:10:14 he's developed. I'm like, I guess. He's hilarious. He's been hoping. Yeah, but like it's settled down. When it's just him and no deep book or Colin Gilepsy,
Starting point is 01:10:25 he's minus 36 on the year. I mean, listen, you got to give him some help. You can't. Oh, my God. Minus 36.
Starting point is 01:10:33 He's being failed by the organization. He needs players. Dylan Brooks. failed by the organization. He needs players to ride with him. That's hilarious. We're going number 17. Ah, man.
Starting point is 01:10:43 Okay. Number 17. So now we are like, who does listen? We did your shit out of luck, we got some. Okay, this is like one,
Starting point is 01:10:53 maybe. You go Batman Hero? Nah. Hell, or not. Yeah, I'd rather not do that. Denny Avia and whoever you want next to him.
Starting point is 01:11:01 Hell no. That's not bad. There's a night seat right there. That's not terrible. I'm talking to really hate Denny. What? And his style. of play.
Starting point is 01:11:08 You don't like this? You don't like this? That actually isn't. I don't like it because it's cool and he's doing it. Everyone's turning on the style of play. It really is like it's free throw grifting with aggression. So it's like watching a football player play basketball. What it is.
Starting point is 01:11:22 Really like everybody's doing it and everybody's been allowed to just like throw their shoulder into people and then he's like capitalizing at the max. So like I watch him and I'm like, all right, brother, this is the greets. You can see the clip from last night. Lou Geert stiff arms. Going downhill. Like he's like he's like he's legitimately built like Derek Henry Playing like Derek Henry in the NBA
Starting point is 01:11:42 I think the reason it's more annoying with Denny is that he feels like reckless You know how people feel when they watch Lou Dorrit play defense Where he's like you're gonna hurt people Yeah, that's how it feels somebody's Denny drives We're throwing his body around just running a thousand miles per hour straight into a guard I'm like you're gonna hurt his ACL settle down It's Tuesday January 8th calm down
Starting point is 01:12:01 He's jumping from the Frithelado He's like you're not to hurt yourself You can handle it. You're a big guy. You're going to hurt him. And if you make, Wembe, Missmore games, are going to be pissed.
Starting point is 01:12:12 We were right. All right. So with that being said, now this is not a winning deal right now. Currently, they're under 500 and currently, technically when they play together, they have a losing net rating.
Starting point is 01:12:24 Not by much, but it's losing. Jalen Johnson and to kill Alexander Walker. Give me a budding star in a league, some guy who just feels like he just doesn't have any ceiling right now. Some guy who's warranted. He can convince you to throw away your franchise.
Starting point is 01:12:39 Your franchise player over the last few years for nothing. And to kill Alexander Walker. Nice role player. No one, he's not a star. Obviously, I don't think he's ever going to make an all-star game. He's more along the lines of someone like Dylan Brooks, way more efficient, obviously. And yeah, like, you're not. You could do worse with more duels.
Starting point is 01:12:56 You can do worse. I suppose we're at the point of the list where I don't really care anymore that I'll let you get your shit off and have your little bright spots and your decrepit franchise. But all right. That's absolutely. it's ridiculous by the way and I do care you should not be a lot stuff. What's better? What's better those? You can too. Okay. If he doesn't take him
Starting point is 01:13:15 then I will and I will have a better deal. I don't know if you're thinking on the same thing I'm doing. I'm just on real petty. Kimmy Franz Wagner and Desmond Bain. Much better. Much better. Yeah, I mean, the most winning duo so far when they're having their best defense, I mean the best offensive stretch of the last five years is when Pallelow was out and we had Franz Wagner and Desmond Bain hoops and I'm going to go with them. And you know, I do think
Starting point is 01:13:35 Palo Bancaro is still going to be their best player and isn't going to get back to being on this list the time goes on. He's asked him get right games. He's starting to play good again. But for the totality of this season, what we've seen so far, I think this has been their best duo.
Starting point is 01:13:46 It's been their best stretch of the season. Jalen is better than Franz. Not sizable, but he's better. I guess. They're so comparable that, like, I don't think it's a gap. Like, if you want to say you rank Jane a little bit higher, cool,
Starting point is 01:13:56 but like they're very, they're the same type of player. I think I disagree. It's not much better. It's not much better. It's not much better at all because the defense now. I don't know, but yeah, sure.
Starting point is 01:14:05 And, you know, Bairn isn't that much better than Kelleys Underwager. So maybe I see what you're cooking a little bit. Yeah. Dude, Nick Hill, dude, Nikiel's been hooping. He has been. If you love Brooks, you should love Nikolai's Zama. I do. I do like it.
Starting point is 01:14:19 At 19, obviously, these people are not winning you any type of championship. Oh, my God. So I will go off of who do I think can give me the most fun playoff series if they were there? Give me Larry Markening and Kianti George. Okay. These are winning you negative games. You play negative defense, but you will get some cool buckets. But if you give them a make-a-wish golden ticket into the playoffs,
Starting point is 01:14:41 they will have one of the more, yeah, one of the more entertaining sweeps in the, in the playoffs. Obviously, they're getting swept. But Keante-George has leveled up this year. He's playing very, very well offensively. And then Larry Marketing, it's just Larry Marketing. And so if these two guys are hooping and they're making shots, I think that they are very fun.
Starting point is 01:15:02 I'm taking them at 19. Okay, one spot left. I can't pick a Memphis Grizzlies duo because their stars are garbage and I hate them. Maybe if we didn't get hurt, maybe I would have went like Zach E.D. and Jaron Jackson. You saw, listen, the vibes are good between them to me.
Starting point is 01:15:17 Edie and Jackson? No, between John and Jaron. Yeah, good for them. Disgusting brothers on the court. They're both on our bricks. I'm sure they're bonding in their ineptitude. I'm sure they're bonding and how terrible they are under these new coach and how much they hate them.
Starting point is 01:15:29 Can't pick anybody on the Mavericks. Cooper flag doesn't really have a duo. Damn sure I can pick anybody on the Kings or the Pelicans. Pick LeBron. Obviously, LeBron and Ree. Can't pick anybody on the Wizards. I can pick like MPJ and Claxton, I guess.
Starting point is 01:15:41 Hell no. They're cold workers. This is where the video ends. God. Listen, I was doing a lot with Lowry and George. Yeah. I'm not picking them. I'm not picking any Bulls duo.
Starting point is 01:15:52 So I'm between. Might have to be a repeater, man. Hero and bam. As I respect the duo that's been doing it for a while. Yeah. Or I go full crown eater and I pick Lamello and Conquer Dipple. Because Lamello, they're getting together winning some games, and they're the most fun duo on here.
Starting point is 01:16:07 And Conkentep was taking the world by Storm. He's probably already better than Tally Hero. Wow, man, what a statement. That's not crazy. I didn't think about that. Let's pick as a group. Concanipo in Lamello or Bame and Hero who gets the last month. Now, mind you, BAM and Hero are better as a duo.
Starting point is 01:16:24 But I want to pick Lamello and gone right now. Keep in mind, it's not a question for real. But we're asking it nevertheless. Obviously, okay. Tyler Hero, I feel like, his name, especially with us three, his name just feels a little bit different. If we just change it, Bam and Norm Powell. If we go to Bam and Norm Powell versus LaMello and Khan, do the heat get in there. You got me. You sold me with that. Yep. Are we good with Bam and Norm Powell? I'm fine with that.
Starting point is 01:16:52 I don't know that I hate Tyler Hero. That's a replacement of power. I mean, I feel like Norm is having a better season. Well, he came in healthy, so I hope so. And he put all the games without Tyler Hero to release stack his numbers. So we're just talking about Duo and then we can fill in the rest of the team the way that they want to. Let's give the Miami just a little bit of credit. Let's go Bam and Norm. Okay, let's go Bam and Norm.
Starting point is 01:17:15 Because he's been their second most important player this year. We all still think long term it's hero, but for this year let's applaud. You love watching role players take a jump in the music. That's your fucking favorite thing in the world. They're out here, man. So them you bit a bucket. We'll go ban on. People like to throw these guys to the side, man.
Starting point is 01:17:31 the clippers threw them to the side they would love norm making the bottom bar list if we had to extend this a 30 and do one for every team that'd be fucking hilarious nah but there's definitely gonna be some repeaters brad
Starting point is 01:17:44 dude d'orke and jdub welcome to the list I refuse to pick anyone from the wolves oh my god where would hardens died and jaddo
Starting point is 01:17:52 rick 24th maybe 25th shit I think it's 16 what you're talking about that's a top like six to eight pick in the NBA draft like they're up there. A team led by Hartstein and Jadov. Hey lookie look he in Martin Dagnol's coaching it's chat there no no it's just them
Starting point is 01:18:19 too hard start you are building the team Ron Jado at Hartzite no how would Jay does it's playing this year fuck no if it was pre-risk injury J-Dubb I could maybe be like listen man you could convince yourself you you can They can go over $500 for a month. Yeah. They could hold their own. Yeah. Like Hartstein is like incredibly valuable now.
Starting point is 01:18:36 It's kind of crazy. Like I don't think people have like fully calibrated how important he is that team and like the like Derek White S type of role player production he has. Now that's into our main section. Next thing we're going to talk about. Let's talk about a new story that has been brewing all season and has finally been seemingly confirmed. John Morant will be traded per Shams Sharania just in for the first time the Memphis Grizzies are entertaining all. offers to potentially move two-time All-Star John Moran ahead of the February 5th deadline. Let the bidding war commence.
Starting point is 01:19:08 Who wants them? Damn. Who wants them? Damn. No. What did y'all say the other day? Spooky times are upon us. Yep, yep.
Starting point is 01:19:15 So, again, we've been talking about it all year that really from the first week of the season, John Moran has not been playing well, and all of the off-the-court stuff, all of the team chemistry stuff, all the budding heads with the coaches, with the weird vibes in the city since he got suspended a couple years ago after his controversy. this felt like it's in the air like we're heading down this path and I guess before this week they were like now we can make it work now it's official they're going to at least entertain offers and to me what that sounds like is we're going to hope and pray that somebody wants them
Starting point is 01:19:42 because I don't know if it's a guarantee given what we saw Tray Young get traded for I don't know if there's really going to be a good offer for him yeah yeah I agree his I don't do who has more value right now like Tray or Jha probably probably Jod just because he's younger yeah I think Jod you can sell yourself on a bounce back because the jump shot could just correct itself and maybe like he can get back to a level that he doesn't have the reputation of being quite
Starting point is 01:20:05 the defensive cone as Trey. I don't know. I think he has lower worse value than Trey because he just naturally be injured more off the court stuff and also he's realistically speaking he's never had a jump shot outside of one singular year. I don't think you're right. So you should be right. I think Trey Young has more of a stink on him for whatever reason. People hate him more. He's also tiny.
Starting point is 01:20:23 Like there's no world you can look at Trey Young and say he can be a good defender because he's minuscule. Whereas Jha, you can say like he's had big play. moments and like I can just maybe you could sell yourself more on he can fit in a winning team whether he'd be right or wrong probably wrong but I I bet there's maybe a team that would give him like a swap or something
Starting point is 01:20:38 for him yeah I would fucking hope so man I Sean says in this report you know and it was a Trey Young thing there was never any good teams that were hunting for him the only team linked to him was the Wizards Sean says multiple teams are pursuing Morant and trade talks and rival executives believe
Starting point is 01:20:54 the Grizzies would prioritize draft picks and young players in return now I don't know how many teams it actually is in terms of multiple teams. We did get a report that the Kings want him, that they're pursuing him, which is quite funny. And we got a report that the Bucks want him that they're pursuing him, which is also quite funny. These bottom-feard teams are saying, can we buy low? And we got the, we got a expansion on the report from Mark Stein that he says the Kings are only interested if the Grizzies will take Demar Rosen, Devin Carter, and some level of draft capital. It's not bad. That's not a bad, like, swap at all. I don't know what the
Starting point is 01:21:28 level of draft capital it's not good look like maybe it's like a couple seconds or whatever but couple seconds yeah that's a couple seconds and demartersosen for my franchise player tough i'm not doing it but we're in the new reality we're in the new tray young post post tray young reality where these max contract players that are your franchise players don't quite have the privilege of having value just because they've once been all stars you know we're in this world where if you're not worth it for that price tag if you can't be a two-way player that elevates my team in meaningful ways, I'm not giving up tremendous assets for you. Even rostering you with that
Starting point is 01:21:59 contract is an asset of itself. You might have to pay me to take them. That's kind of the conversation we're in now. So, I'm going to, we're going to talk through some of the possible trade destinations. We're going to grade each one of teams that might make sense. Before we do that, is there any thoughts you have about the Band-Aid finally ripped off by the Grizzlies? I think it's like...
Starting point is 01:22:15 Go ahead. I think it's the right thing to do to entertain the conversation. I will say that since we're coming off the heels of the Tray Young thing. I can't be the same as Tray Young. Like I just I can't do it. I cannot trade my franchise player for a salary dump and some second round picks. PR? PR and I'd rather I'd rather try and make it work with you than to get like basically nothing in in return. And I'd rather
Starting point is 01:22:49 I'd rather see how much we can we can retool around you. We've already invested so much. I don't want to go down this path of basically getting nothing. And I know what you're saying. You know why? I think you're saying that? Because this is the report that if they're going down this path of getting rid of him and just full number up and band it off like Trayon, Shamm says,
Starting point is 01:23:10 Memphis is considering multiple paths forward amid the emergence of several promising young players, including building around 2023 defensive player of the year, Jaron Jackson Jr. That sounds unappealing as hell to build around Jaron Jackson Jr. Someone quoted this and was like, can you imagine with Jaron Jackson and your offense
Starting point is 01:23:27 in the playoffs? And I said, playoffs? Why are you talking about playoffs? That sounds like a perennial play in team at best. That is not an appealing route. Maybe Zach Edy and Coward
Starting point is 01:23:36 are going to be like their next up and coming stars and be their best players. I guess. The other path doesn't feel great though. I don't think you can really sell yourselves on this being exciting at all. Like at least the Hawks and be like,
Starting point is 01:23:48 we're our cap space and flexibility and like Jalen Johnson and they're like they have a way to market themselves to their fans as this being an interesting era. I think if the Grizzlies dump Jod, they have no way of doing that. Yeah, I agree. And I think whatever the outlook is for the Memphis Grizzies, their fans are cooked regardless of the fact.
Starting point is 01:24:06 Like, they have nothing, going back to what you said, they have absolutely nothing to look forward to. And even if you want to keep Jaws, brother, like, it's not, it's better brand of basketball as of weight. Like, I think two weeks or whatever, he dropped 40 points on. I forget who we did that on, with just something like that.
Starting point is 01:24:21 But pro, like he hasn't been, good he hasn't been inspired in me and whether it's like his mood i think it's mood or whatever and then on top of that too he actually just is legitimately not good anymore compared to what he once was and with all the flaws that's happening like there's just no way real there's no real way out of this i just looked it up over the course of the year he took 77 threes can you guess how many threes he hit 70 13 close 16 damn that's a busy he's succeeding expectation he's killing That's abysmal. That's abysmal.
Starting point is 01:24:56 So at this point, if the Kings offer you someone like Demardo Rosen who has two years left in his contract after the next year, he's a free agent, you're off the books for $25 more million. You got Devin Carter, who's somewhat of a young player. Okay. Take it. And see, and that's the overall point where he has this year and then two more years after this year. We don't have to trade him right now in this. moment. Obviously, like, it does, it does feel like that. And I have been saying for a while, like, you should probably trade him and you should probably try, which is, which is why I like
Starting point is 01:25:33 the fact that they're actually having those conversations. But if you have those conversations, then you come back and this is the ultimate package, then I would say no. Then I would, I would keep him and we would move forward. And if you are so hell bent on something has to change, we have to do anything. 2023 defensive player of the year, Jaron Jackson Jr. You are the first one. I think these you both can trade it honestly. If they're going to red the band it off, I can they rip it all the way off and get as many peck as they can
Starting point is 01:25:57 will they trade it all three of their mid-stars and really rebuild. That's what I would do. Conversation for another day, though. Right now, let's talk about the other end. Obviously, he's not going to be fetched a lot of value, right? So if he can be gotten for expiring contracts, maybe a couple second round pigs,
Starting point is 01:26:12 very, like, filler type of deals, I'm going to name some NBA teams that either need a point guard or have been linked to him in the past or it would just stand to reason that they could be a team that wants him. Let's grade it, A through F, how much you like to fit for the other team.
Starting point is 01:26:24 Okay. Minnesota Timberwolves, obviously the need point guard. Do you think John Morant should be that point guard next to Anthony Edwards? F, no. Hell no. I think it would be cool.
Starting point is 01:26:33 Like, the media love it. They'll be cute off the court. On the court, though. Okay, so I think for Jodd, this would be an 8 plus. I think there's ever a place where he can be fixed where he can lean into being a pass first point guard,
Starting point is 01:26:44 not have the burden of being a high level score and have a team that complements him. Playing next to Anthony Edwards is the go-to score. It's kind of the perfect idea for him. So if you want to tell me, want to buy low and really believe you can fix them. I'll give it like a C plus. I don't think it's impossible.
Starting point is 01:26:56 It would be fun to see Jha and in transition that that would be crazy. Now, in this deal, I'm assuming we're keeping Gobert, right? Yeah. Okay. Having Gobert and John Moran is like. That's tough. Offensively. That's very, that's very hard to work with.
Starting point is 01:27:11 I think they can save Jha. If Jock can be saved, they can probably do it. But I did see somebody on Twitter say there's a 10% chance this takes the temperance to the finals and a 90% chance it sends. Anthony Edwards to another team in two years. And that's a good way of looking at it. So I guess I'll go F. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:27 Yeah, I agree. Too much. They have too much at this point to lose by trading for John Morant. Yeah, I agree. But if your jaw, this is what you want. This is like, I can't imagine there being any more better possible suitors for this. Yeah, be next to a two guard who can defend, shoot on and off wall, be able to space the floor for you. You guys have a good report and transition, like you said.
Starting point is 01:27:46 He will be the go-to-score. You don't have to take these difficult mid-range jumpers all the time because your team need you to create in the half court. You just got to be a playmaker. setting people up like you can go be fast rickie rubia with some flair like yeah you got rid of go bearer who can set good screens for you as well dive into the paint as much as you want if you're jah like you're begging from emphiz to take you or it's uh for minnesota to take you i'm gonna go up to i'm gonna go up to b minus i think if it could work anywhere i think it could be there yeah b minus for for jaw you want this but for minnesota's too much risk but would you want to lose
Starting point is 01:28:15 nause read for that yeah yeah yeah he can yeah okay okay yeah yeah it's cool okay okay okay Miami Heats This Any time that I think about Jai to To the Miami Heat I just think of like an episode of scared straight Yeah We just like yelling at his face
Starting point is 01:28:37 Yeah just like just yelling in his face At 5 a end telling him to wake up And you know what? And that's it I can't think of a single star in this world I respond worse to that than Jummer Yeah So I'm I'm going to say
Starting point is 01:28:49 I'm going to say F because I do think that for the for the heat it in a hundred percent is not a a culture fit and I don't think that anybody would benefit from that do you think maybe he could like do you think he needs that and he's he could be open to becoming a culture fit listen I don't know job like that and like I'm not his father you know like I'm not going to sit up here and be like yeah john needs tough love like I don't I don't know him like that I'm not going to do that but like if it could work then maybe but you got to ask tea about that yeah I guess the point that you split up Norman Hero who are a little duplicative
Starting point is 01:29:23 You bring in a pass-first guy like If you're a pass-first, I'm saying he become I'm assuming he becomes fast first. Yeah. If you're Miami, why not? You have nothing to lose. Once again, your guard play is being led by Norman and Tyler Hero.
Starting point is 01:29:36 They're leading to nowhere. Don't know. What? His name was Norman. What do you mean? You had Norman and Batmonte over here. Yeah, like you're going nowhere so you can go nowhere in a cooler way.
Starting point is 01:29:46 Why not? Okay. I'll go D. Plus they run that off that he hated last year so they'd have to get him to buy back into that when he already bought out of it. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:56 The offense. They'd be mean to him and they'd make him not run picking rolls again. F. Oh, man. So Joe came for a little. They'll make him cut off his dreads. Sacramento Kings.
Starting point is 01:30:09 They would make him cut off his dreads, man. You went fucking. Cry. His picture of the whole name's no. He's just those pictures. punish their kids and cup of hair
Starting point is 01:30:23 and holding a handful of trash You were not going to demand No more screens Sacramento Kings A team linked to John Morant right now I actually think A Yeah Why?
Starting point is 01:30:39 They have absolutely nothing And Listen, De Bottis de Bonas and sets some screens for John Rand. Yeah. He hit him on some cuts. That would be crazy to see. Crazy gross. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:52 I just think like for them, do you have this point guard thing? Like, yeah, we got shrewd over here. We got Russ. We got Dennis assaulting people. You know, like it's such a weird and nasty point guard room that for the kings, especially after trading Dierrin and after trading Tyrese, to get a pseudo young star back into the building
Starting point is 01:31:15 and give yourself some type of hope I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world Yeah, when you're a bad team like this buying low on a distress asset It's kind of what you gotta do Yeah, exactly. Going back to what I said earlier If they have no positive outlooks for their team This could be one of the
Starting point is 01:31:29 You gotta flip it like a Rubik's cube This could be possible This could be positive for you You squint, you put your hand up this way Put your hand up this way close your left eye, close your right eye. It can make sense. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:31:42 Like maybe turn around, get dizzy for like 15, 20 seconds. It'll make sense. Yeah, because I keep thinking about like, overall, with the job conversation, whatever team, I'm thinking about it in the way of like the Kyrie trade where Kyrie went for like, you know, filler or whatever and then like a first round picking a couple seconds. That seems so far away.
Starting point is 01:32:01 And it's like, is the trade going to be more Kyrie or is it going to be more Trey Young? More trade. More trail for sure. If it's more Trey Young, we're good. And I do think that at this point, if the Grizzies are so hell-bent on trading job
Starting point is 01:32:15 and the package does end up being Demarderose and Devin Carter or in two first-round picks, anybody in the league can call it Memphis and look at them and be like, you're a lick. I'm handing you this trade. You're going to take it regardless. Toronto Raptors. Another team that could buy low on a star.
Starting point is 01:32:32 They just did with Brandon Ingram. They could do it again, complete their mid-three. I think for the sake of Scotty Barnes, I would not want to do this because he already like struggle with shooting. Struggle with shooting. I'd rather have a man you're quick on my team. What if you can get off the quickly and the POTL contract and you attach a young player, that's interesting. Okay.
Starting point is 01:32:49 That right there might be worth of money. It can be a salary down. You can trade quickly, Pertil, and Grady Dick. We're just sending everybody bad out the door. Yeah. And you just have to hope that they like that for some reason because they believe in Grady Dick. Again, we're trying to fleece. We're trying to fleece.
Starting point is 01:33:05 We're trying to fleece. That would make sense. But again, like, Joss shooting is such an issue. It's such an issue that it's so hard to work around. It's specifically hard for someone like Scotty Barnes to work on. That duo, like that trio of Scotty, Ingram, and Jha will be disgusting. Damn, I said you can get off. R.K. Barrett, too?
Starting point is 01:33:23 Oh, my God. I just told you can get off some of the worst contracts in the league and you still don't want to do it. He's that much of a distress asset. Because you might be giving me another bad contract. I certainly would be. You're taking me. But it's a three-for-one and bad contracts. It's a bad contract regardless of getting on.
Starting point is 01:33:36 It's a big one. too. It's hard to get rid of. Yeah, no, I'd rather not. But he makes 10, like 10 million more than than quickly. Like, he's, he's in like the 40s, 45. Yeah. So it's like, it's really just a consolidation, bad, bad contract. You want to credit and you're consolidating your debt. Yeah, exactly. That's what exactly what is. But on a quick and loan consolidating our debt. They're letting us think we're fixing our lives or really we're just putting different fonts on it. Just scabing folks. Yeah, no. I'm good. Yeah, I think Raptors fans probably could convince themselves that they can fix them, I'll go see at best.
Starting point is 01:34:10 Yeah. So, no, Tina, if you tell me they, they can fix them, okay, I'm not thrilled about it. I'll go, I'll go D minus because I do think, and even going back to, to the heat, again, like, I don't know if he, like, needs to love, whatever. But I do think that if you are going to bring in John Morant, I would like for you, for your team either historically or right now to have good infrastructure. And the Raptors, and, like, the Raptors don't feel like a team that can, that can embrace him right now. I love why you took me saying, does he need that heat culture as tough love? I was never saying he needs tough love. That's the only.
Starting point is 01:34:44 Tough love is the hilarious. I mean, like, does he need a very culture team that plays a certain way and has clue to find roles? And you were like, no way, doesn't he get yelled at? He will get yelled at. Pat Riley is going to yell at him. I don't know if Pat Riley's doing a lot of yelling these days. He will yell to the day he died. Maybe fair.
Starting point is 01:35:01 He's just screeching. No more yelling. He's just raspy. Milwaukee Bucks. Should they buy low? Is there one opportunity to try to save the Yonis era? For Milwaukee, why not?
Starting point is 01:35:11 A. A? Yeah, because he's worth, John Moran is worth little to nothing. You get off of probably who. Coos maybe. Kuzma and Portis. Yeah, you can do that.
Starting point is 01:35:22 So I'm saying, A. Plus some assets. Like, Kuzam Portis, do nothing for you in your future. John Morant, right now he might not do too much. But you could at least sell yourself on the hope of him doing something. I think Yonis is good enough to make it work despite some lack of fit issues. and at least they have a stretch five so they have hell of spacing for two slashes.
Starting point is 01:35:39 Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you keep Rollins and have Rollins and Jah, it's a small backcourt but Rollins can defend. Yeah, it's not terrible. You can do something. A Jha and Yonah's team would be so funny. You know, like in the middle of games when they bring out the trampoline crew,
Starting point is 01:35:52 that's what it would feel like. These two guys, just ha! Just going crazy. We got a 16-year-old white boy doing backflips on a trampoline. That's what the Bucks would feel like if they got Jalien. I'll give it a B. Actually, I'll give it a C plus.
Starting point is 01:36:10 I can't give anybody B for a John Moran trade this moment. But just because they're so desperate and like Janus is going to have to make it work and you have that spacing, maybe it could work a little bit. But either way, they'd still be going nowhere fast. And I think it's like slight Yonis insurance too.
Starting point is 01:36:23 And like, yo, like the whole car crash, sorry, like I can't give you your whole whole entire deductible, but I can give you something. That's a good point. If Yonis requests a trade this summer, if it finally happens, you get a bunch of stuff for him. Now you got John, a bunch of stuff
Starting point is 01:36:35 to help it get a little better over time. It's something. That's what I'm like, I give this an A for the Milwaukee bucks. Because now next, that means the summer we'll have, we'll have John Morant and Jalen Johnson to build around long term.
Starting point is 01:36:44 That would make so much sense. Slow down. He's not going nowhere. He's home. Now really messed up. That's crazy that you couldn't like attach trade. We have a top five defense right now, man. And what?
Starting point is 01:36:56 The last four days? Exactly. I forgot out of. With the two games? Probably one. Three. Luke canardsard's back. Luke are more basketball.
Starting point is 01:37:05 Luke can't ask. Phoenix Sun Do you want to see John Moran and Devin Booker together Two years ago that'd been sick Am I on board with this? If Dylan Brooks is there Reunited Dylan Brooks?
Starting point is 01:37:16 Yeah When he was nice to Dylan Brooks He was him Actually I do I do like it for that Wait do they have no contracts May that happen Let me check real quick
Starting point is 01:37:23 Uh Jalen Greener would have to be gone And I know he makes a back So yeah I think I would do that For sure Yeah we we can do that I Jailing Green has to go Maybe Roy Searle has to go to
Starting point is 01:37:35 for money issues or whatever. But I would do that. I love that because on the court, John don't, Devin Booker don't have to be a point guard no more. You can ask him to play his regular role. He can finally get his dupal percentage way back up where it should be.
Starting point is 01:37:47 Dylan Brooks is there so you know, like he's the ultimate kumbaya type player who will bring everyone together, set even more of the standard when it comes to the culture. I love this. This might be the best option. I'm going to be plus here.
Starting point is 01:37:59 Okay. You think Jordan Ock, you get him in that system? It could work. Also, what a man. It should be a move. Like, their backs. He's addicted.
Starting point is 01:38:07 Yeah. And honestly, he wouldn't be too bad, though. If it is just salary filler, if it is like right now, we're really good without Jalen Green. It's just swapping John Moran. Yeah. Okay. And for the Memphis Grizzies, too, like, you could do worse than Jalen Green. That's not bad.
Starting point is 01:38:19 I don't know if I'll go that far. You could do worse, man. Devin Carter and Marder Rosen, you could do worse than Jailing Green. Three years of Jalen Green, 36 million. I don't love it. Sign me up, man. Okay, sign him up. They'll find me up.
Starting point is 01:38:32 Trailblazers. They need a point guard real bad. You want to see? Give up on the school Henderson experiment for John Morant. They need to stay still. Don't do anything. Do they? You are under watch.
Starting point is 01:38:47 I've said it multiple times. I don't think the Blazers should be involved in any transactions of any kind for the rest of the NBA year. The Fed's are still looking closely? John Moran should have nothing to do with that team. Anybody, any stars should steer far away from the Trublish at this moment? No. Stay. stay where you are.
Starting point is 01:39:06 Lay low. Clippers. If they blow it all up, do they get John Morant to try to be the star of their next little era of in between basketball with no picks?
Starting point is 01:39:13 You kind of have to do it. Yeah. I think so. Why not? Yeah. You kind of have to do it. I don't know. No,
Starting point is 01:39:19 what's doing it. What would they give up for John? No, you don't. Somebody put a gun to Steve Balmer's head. He was like, you have to trade for this dude.
Starting point is 01:39:31 What if that's the punishment from the NBA? What? You got to try for John Marant's? It's a mandatory. John Mert will play for the Clippers now. Oh my gosh. That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:39:39 I don't even know what the chair would look like. It wouldn't be the worst thing possible. It would not be the worst thing. Well, this is only in a circumstance where they trade hard and trade Kauai and blue all up, which doesn't seem what they're going to be doing. If that was the case and let's say like, I don't know, two weeks from now, the Clippers just continue to, they go back to slumping insanely for the, like how they did earlier in the year, then sure, why not.
Starting point is 01:40:03 John's young. You have no picks. you have to give the fans a reason to come out similar to what Jod did in Memphis. Yeah, try to cultivate some level of culture, I guess, where you can just be fully him with no expectations. Just go be you, bray. Why not? I'll go C plus because I don't want to trade for, unless I'm like the Kings or something. I wouldn't want to trade for Jai without too, too much around him where I have to start from like ground zero.
Starting point is 01:40:31 and if I don't have the necessary picks and assets to go out and replenish my whole team and I don't have my own pick until the end of the decade. And now I have John Morant for the next five years, no picks to go build an actual team around them. Like, we're, that would be playing like OG 1990s Clippers basketball where it's just, we're just out here. We're rolling the ball out.
Starting point is 01:40:56 See, if you said like mid-2000s, I'm like, yeah, why not? Let's get those good days. Yeah, can't even say decent. Let's get those days back. Those days, exactly. Next thing we're going to do. I want you guys to try to name the top 10 tallest players in NBA history. Actually, top 12.
Starting point is 01:41:17 I had to do top 12 because there was a five-way tie at 7 foot 4. So there have been 12 players in NBA history that are 7 foot 4 taller. Can you name them all? I am. We can go on a run. I'll say you can name about 75% of them. Okay. Yalming.
Starting point is 01:41:30 Yalming is. is number five. Easy. Okay. Yaming is number five. I know Taco Fall is here. Yes. Taco Fall is number four.
Starting point is 01:41:40 Also seven foot six. Wembe. Wemby is number seven at seven foot five as his listed heights. Jeez. gigantic. Sean Bradley did not make this list. Okay. Actually, no, he did.
Starting point is 01:41:51 He did. My bad. I complete lie. That's ridiculous. Sean Bradley is number three. He's a third player at seven foot six. All right. Let's go.
Starting point is 01:41:59 Not bowl, but his father, Mnobuble. Manuble is number two at seven foot seven. How tall him? He's seven two? Bobel is seven three. He missed the list. He's the next name on here.
Starting point is 01:42:09 Gotcha. Okay. How tall is Mark Eaton on this list? Mark Eaton is on this list. Mark Eaton is seven foot four. Damn, okay. He barely made this list. Do you think Brazingia is he or now?
Starting point is 01:42:23 No, he's seven three. He's actually seven two. You cheated in one of our drafts. You took him at seven three or taller. He's listed at seven two. Anyways, who's next on? There's Markyton 7'4. There's 5 players at that height.
Starting point is 01:42:39 All right. 7.4 guys. Was Bobon 7.3? Oh, Bobon big as hell. Yeah, Boban got to be here, right? Boban is 7 foot 4. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:42:49 Boban is here. How many do we have right now? 4, 6, 7. All right. You have the top guy, one guy 7 foot 5 and a few 7 foot 4 guys. Okay. What's my... What's my guy's name?
Starting point is 01:43:05 From a team? Listen, I feel, I feel right. This is literally the only way that I know how to characterize it. He was like the first Indian dude to play. Oh, Simbular. Okay, my bad. That's my goat. Simbular should be on this list.
Starting point is 01:43:16 He's 7.6. I did only players who played at least 10 games in their career. Okay. So Simbular was disqualified. Simbular is my goal, man. Come on now. It was on the Kings. Don't disrespect him.
Starting point is 01:43:25 He played three games his NBA career. All right. Impactful games. Nope, not even a little bit. Impactful to this country. Seven, four. Okay, so 7-4 guys. All right, just the lay of the land.
Starting point is 01:43:37 Are these guys more like older, more current? Definitely. Everybody left is old. Yeah, definitely older. Okay. A few of them you won't know. A couple of them you will know. There's a guy we mentioned a few times.
Starting point is 01:43:49 The last two simple four guys are famous bigs from like the 80s and 90s that you will know those two. The other ones you're going to be in a body bag. Okay. I think the Kimbe was not 7-4. Nope. I think you're fine. Okay. One more.
Starting point is 01:44:03 You should get at least one more. We mentioned him in conversations relating to Victor Woman Yama. Relating to Victor. You at least got to get this guy. Is Ralph Samson? Ralph Samson's number 11. He's seven foot four. Oh shit.
Starting point is 01:44:16 Number one. If you don't know why number one, I don't know why I know number one, but I do. No way. His name starts with the G. Last name starts at the M. I think his name is like Georgios or George. George Miros. George Miros.
Starting point is 01:44:30 He's number one. He paid for the bullets. I'm surprised you knew that. I don't know much about this guy at all. He played for the bullets from 93 to 98 and the nets of 98, 2000. Yeah. I don't know much about him whatsoever. It's a huge blank in my eyes in my basketball IQ.
Starting point is 01:44:42 I feel like we should know the other 7-5 guy. I've also never heard of this guy. Okay. The last guy played in the 80s for the Houston Rockets. He played for two years for the Lakers in 84-85. The Pistons, the Bulls, and the Spurs throughout the 90s. Got no idea who he is. Number five, 7-5.
Starting point is 01:44:59 Number six of 7-4-5. Chuck Nevis. Yep, never heard of him. I don't know who that is. Wow, man. Wow. Number nine, I've heard his name. Don't know a lot about him.
Starting point is 01:45:09 His name starts at a P. He's Bulgarian and American. I'm not going to... Priest Lauderdale. Damn. Seven foot four. Played for the Hawks in 96 and 97 and 97 and 88. Okay.
Starting point is 01:45:21 Damn. All right, priest. Number 12. Do you have any hope? Number two... Number two. Number two. Mind you.
Starting point is 01:45:28 Very short name. Very short name. He's from the Netherlands. played for the end of the 1990s for three years. And we should know his end of the 90s. He is famous. He's famous-ish. You should know him.
Starting point is 01:45:41 Famousish. His first name has three letters. It's commonly spelled up four letters. He does it with three. All right. So in that vein, maybe like a Zach? Along the right lines, but no, not a Zach. Ooh.
Starting point is 01:45:59 Zach. Um, what? What names have like four? So the names have like four letters, normally you have like an H and then it's like a C. Man, I'm not getting this. You're cooking. It's like,
Starting point is 01:46:10 because normally it's like a C-H-D. It removes a C. And then you're like taking, you'll put like a K there or something. He removes a C, but it's not an H at the end. But he doesn't remove a C. Oh my goodness. You should know this one.
Starting point is 01:46:21 What? Wait, time on, tell me, what, in what situations? Like, how are names? Get into your linguistics bag right now. You think he has a linguistics back.
Starting point is 01:46:31 Right now When you are When you are creating names And you have a C What goes on the other end You have five seconds One guess What goes on the end of what?
Starting point is 01:46:41 Of a C When you're making names E is all I think of We're not getting it Just tell me Yeah, it's cooked This is Rick Smith's I'm not getting that
Starting point is 01:46:51 It's cool Yeah Y'all isn't getting that You should know That's on me That's on me Donovan should definitely know Rick Smith That's on me
Starting point is 01:46:56 Damn And it was the top 12 tallest players Of all time For E He, Rice. No idea, bro. Last thing we're going to do.
Starting point is 01:47:06 We are going to play NBA, Who Am I? We're going to strap names for a head. But we're going to do it. Now with players. With NBA mascots. I had Andrea print out 10 mascots. I haven't seen them. I don't even know mascots that well,
Starting point is 01:47:17 so this might be a shit show. We got to guess which mascot is on our head. Oh, this is cooked, man. I don't know the name of mascots at all. R-C-E? Word? I had no idea, bro. I had no idea.
Starting point is 01:47:29 That's tough. I also didn't hear R either. You're right there. How do you not hear? I didn't hear all right. I'm trying to sift through all the potential options. All right. Let's do this.
Starting point is 01:47:45 Rick Smith. You never seen Rick Smith's spending your life. I have. Not live, obviously. Who has? Nobody. All right. I'm ready to lock the fuck in, man.
Starting point is 01:48:00 No, you're not. Watch it. He's the least locked than anybody's ever been. Put a dub on it. Okay. You got this. NBA, who am I?
Starting point is 01:48:09 I'm going to switch the screen so you guys can't see us on this big-ass TV. Let's do it. We're going to pull this over here. Again, you look like, whenever you put this on,
Starting point is 01:48:20 you look like a tennis player. He does. I look like from Dodgeball. Okay, so we got 10. Oh, shit. A European soccer player. All right, let's do it. We got 10 mascots.
Starting point is 01:48:38 We'll pull one, pass it along. There's a flat edge you can fill for. Okay. Got my zone right? This one is not flat, right? What the fuck? No, you're good. You have not right.
Starting point is 01:48:55 Yeah, yours backwards. You're fine. My straight? Yes. Damn. It is flat on the bottom. She is not flat at the bottom. There's a sharp.
Starting point is 01:49:02 You're on the end. Never mind. Go ahead. Not flat. You're fucking right. Yeah, you're good. All right. Yeah, you're good.
Starting point is 01:49:07 All right. Okay. Is my mascot furry? Yeah. Wait. Yeah. Like real fur, you know, like everyone's furry. Like, like, I'll say so. Okay. Animalistic fur. Yes. Okay.
Starting point is 01:49:23 Can my mascot, do you think he's like a dangerous predator? A little bit. I don't know if he's a predator. He's a dangerous. But he's definitely dangerous. He's definitely dangerous. I wouldn't want to see him one-on-one hell and a cell. My mascot A fictional being Probably
Starting point is 01:49:43 I think so Okay For the basis of your question Definitely Okay Yeah Because I don't know What I'm looking at
Starting point is 01:49:50 I have no fucking do Do I have an animal You would eat Does my animal Look like you would taste good Depends on What's the question there You ask two questions
Starting point is 01:50:01 Do people eat this animal? No I'm sure someone does It's not I'm sure someone does I'll tell you, it's not, it's not in the top five. That's also true, but it's not in the top five. What are your top five?
Starting point is 01:50:17 I know it's not pork. I know it's not chicken. I'm sorry, I can't think it. It's not the top five. What is the top five? Top five would be like beef, chicken, pork, fish. Obviously, it's not one of the main American meats. Come on, man.
Starting point is 01:50:34 I know there's no chicken team. But like, obviously, I mean an ethnic food. Would somebody eat this? Even the ethnic. you gotta be a yeah even even over there
Starting point is 01:50:47 like they're not doing it like that do you do people do you like this or not he's not give me an answer
Starting point is 01:50:53 I thought my answer no no no okay but you can't rule it
Starting point is 01:50:59 all completely though on someone's worst I guarantee you someone can come I guarantee
Starting point is 01:51:05 you someone can come in a dish I mean he was just sick man They're eating people. So it's like, true. But it's not that deep, though. Okay.
Starting point is 01:51:14 Okay. Is my, is my mascot. Does he look like, like, would you pet him? Yeah, probably. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. He's cuddly.
Starting point is 01:51:28 Okay, cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Okay. Can you put a, can you put a saddle and ride my mascot? I wouldn't want to do that. No. No.
Starting point is 01:51:41 Does my mascot have a memorable name that I would know? No. No. Okay. No. Does my mascot look like he could like, on the list of animals or creatures, he could play, like, a sport? It's a mascot, so they're all kind of sport-oriented. So, yeah, he could play basketball, I'm sure.
Starting point is 01:52:03 Because he's a basketball mascot. You think he would be, like, good at it? Like one of the better mascots. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:52:11 Okay, useful mascot. I don't know if I'm giving you much with that because it's a basketball mascot. They're all kind of like people-oriented. So. No. Yeah. It's weird. Okay.
Starting point is 01:52:20 Is my mascot one of the five most recognizable in the sport? No. He's not. No. Okay. So my guy doesn't have a popular name. He's an animal that's edible but not commonly eaten. So it's not like,
Starting point is 01:52:39 when you say that? It makes me think it's like an elephant. or a giraffe or something like that. Does my mascot wear blue? Yes. Mm-hmm. Okay. Does, is my mascot like famous?
Starting point is 01:52:52 Is he like well known? Yes. Okay. Is this? Is this stuffed of magic dragon? That is not stuffed in magic dragon. I'm glad you asked that because I was thinking, I have stuff of magic dragon.
Starting point is 01:53:05 Is this the condor from Clippers? No. That condor is ugly, man. Maybe you can eat a bird, but nobody does it. No. Okay, so you take a picture of my guy and he's famous. You have what I think is probably the easiest answer. So you should win. You got Benny the Bull. You have Betty the Bull. There you go. There we go. Yeah. Okay. We get one guess to try to save ourselves. Yeah, that's the top three mascot in the line. Okay. Um, is this,
Starting point is 01:53:29 is this clutch? Who's clutch? The Rockets. No, that is not clutching the Rockets. You have some pictures of Clutch growing up, don't you? I probably do. Clutch. I didn't know who knows his name. Who do I have? He's lit, man. I just, yeah. He's a guy. He's cool. Gray hang. I don't know mascots like that. I'm trying to just throw a name out there. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:53:48 Trying to think of a blue team. But I'm trying to do it without cheating. Is it a Pistons mascot? No. I don't even think they have a mascot. Who is this? Oh, okay. People do eat bear.
Starting point is 01:53:59 That's not that uncommon. Yeah, I'm sure people have done it on their worst name. Yeah, man. I really don't know what this is in there. I don't know how to classify this. I'm not glad. People eat bear me all the time. You guys fuck me.
Starting point is 01:54:10 Yeah. I knew people. Wait, it's not popular. I've never seen it on a this or never. That's what I said. I gave a very accurate. White Americans eat bear. It's not in the top of.
Starting point is 01:54:17 On your worst day, though. No, no, people like, people like, like Joe Rogan viewers eat bears. Just had that last night. This BS pot belly. Bear bellies. That's Elmo's rejected home. Yeah, I don't know what to this. I guess.
Starting point is 01:54:30 I need one more game. Betty the Bull is so clutch. That's an easy one. Should we put these bag in? No. Don't want the same ones. Nice. Okay.
Starting point is 01:54:40 You got it good. You can put on there. Yours is sideways. Minus? Yep, now you're good. Cool, yo.
Starting point is 01:54:49 It was good? Yeah. Oh, I put that on so smooth. It didn't take me any type of adjustment period. It's my straight on. All right. My master clipper.
Starting point is 01:54:57 Let's go ahead. You on, you go first. Okay. I'll go second. Can my mascot fly? I think so. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:55:07 Yeah, I think so. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Is my mascot a land animal? Yes. Okay. Is my mascot one that you would see at a zoo? I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:55:25 Okay. Okay. Can my mascot beat his mascot's ass? No. Damn. My mascot's eaten years alive. I don't even know what I got. I know it's true.
Starting point is 01:55:34 Okay. Fuck. Okay. Can my mascot be his mascot in a race? No. It's a stupid question. okay. I just want to be better than him.
Starting point is 01:55:45 Sorry, ego, my mascot. Come on. Wasted a tree. Wasted a question. Male eagle again. Can my mascot fly? I have no fucking clue.
Starting point is 01:55:58 You know what? Probably. Yes, he can. He can. He can? He should be able to fly, yes. Okay, yes. With like the context based around
Starting point is 01:56:06 where that mascot's from. Okay, probably. Yeah. I don't know what was a certainty, but more likely, yes. then no. Yeah. Okay. I just don't know. Okay. My mascot.
Starting point is 01:56:20 Is my mascot, okay, so clearly my mascot has to be a bird. That's not a question. So I'm trying to guess now. If he can fly, yeah, he should be a bird. I don't want to waste a question. Okay. Is my mascot deadly in any capacity? I don't think. Not particularly, I don't think. Oh, my God. You're not deadly? Your mascot's a bitch, me?
Starting point is 01:56:42 What the fuck? Your basketball's weak as fuck. What? Okay. I think he's going to get it soon. I'm going to start throwing guests out there the whole time. Do I have the Rockets bear? That's the most lucky shit I've ever seen in my life.
Starting point is 01:56:58 That's the most lucky guest in this show's history. You know why I said that? Because I had a bear last time. What's your guess? I'm so, like, dispirited. That's crazy. I thought I was cooking. Do I have the...
Starting point is 01:57:15 You have the... You got one guess, though. Honestly, you could both be co-winners. You guys are really close. Do I have the New Orleans Pelican? Oh, no. You have clutched the Magic Dragon. You should have known that.
Starting point is 01:57:24 Fuck. Okay, I was going to pick the Pelicans. Oh, he saved, dude. Now you should definitely be co-winner. Oh, my gosh. And now I get stuffed the Magic Dragon. Damn. Oh, that's a clutch.
Starting point is 01:57:33 So who is my guy? You can't fight. You can be moving a little bit. You should definitely be a co-winner. You should 100% get this. Bird. Okay. Who are like the bitch made birds in the league right now? He don't know.
Starting point is 01:57:46 How do you not know this? I promise you. That's embarrassing. He's not going to get birds. I don't, I don't think he knows the scope of this. He doesn't know birds. No. What teams are birds in the world?
Starting point is 01:58:00 Come on, you got to guess. There's one last guess. You can't think forever. Damn. Okay. Damn. This is cooked. I think it might be cooked.
Starting point is 01:58:09 I get up. You have the condor from the Clippers. I didn't even know their bird was a condo. I didn't know they had a bird. I told you. Come on, man. I can't believe. this is correct. This is the stupidest guess
Starting point is 01:58:20 I've ever gotten right. I went off of literally nothing. That hurt. I'm not going to lie that. I think I'm the ghost. This bird is dumb, man. I'm not going to lie to that. That really did mess up my dad. That was straight bare on bear action, just blind guests. A fucking condor.
Starting point is 01:58:36 That did upset me. That's tough. That's crazy. And with that being said, that's the end this episode. If you're still here, comment whatever you want. Appreciate you coming in. I just a witch. Come up a witch. I'm just a no-er. My mascot. Me dealing with the devil.
Starting point is 01:58:49 It is crazy how I'm never going to duck cheating allegations because I have the craziest luck ever at this game. Got two bears, man. Dude, two bears. People who are always in the guy cheat for some reason. I'm going to go at this game. I got the most famous mascot and then a goddamn condor. The condor is easy, though. Who knows the Clippers' mascot I'd never seen in my life?
Starting point is 01:59:07 I mean, recently. Yeah, I knew that. The hype the Clippers Condor has been getting all along. On Twitter? Yeah. Crazy. With that be said, we'll see y'all next week.

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