The Deep 3 Podcast - We Gave 1 Hot Take For Every NBA Contender (Ft. RustyBuckets ) | Ep. 80

Episode Date: March 15, 2024

Giving NBA hot takes for every team in the finals race! And we're joined by Rusty Buckets. #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro & Bulls talk 3:55- 76ers 9:02- Suns 19:45- Bucks 27:22- Nuggets 36:20- Timberwolves 40:15- Mavs 47:08- Celtics 56:15- Pelicans 1:05:32- Thunder 1:11:18- Clippers 1:19:25- Heat 1:22:36- Knicks 1:27:35- Dune 2: NBA Edition 1:37:48- Tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As you'll see, Mr. Moja 99 is not here today. He is off visiting another country. So instead, we have a very special guest, Mo's twin, Mr. Rocky Busty Buckets himself. Woo. Rocky buckets. Fuck it up. Yeah, man. How you doing, Jacob?

I'm all right. Nice. Man in many words. Yeah. Like I said, Moes out of town. So we had to change them up a little. little bit this week. And as you see by the title, we're going to be given hot takes for every NBA contender. We did this way earlier in the season where we went through every single team

and gave a hot take. We're not talking about the trail boosters anymore this season. We're off that shit. We're only talking about the good teams now. So we're going to go through all the contenders is being a little loose, really the playoff teams and give you one major thought on all of them. Listen, this is real basketball. You know what I'm saying? Like the Blazers, they're playing fake basketball at this point. The Wizards, they've been playing fake basketball. Like, play Play our basketball is about a month away. This is all we're going to focus about. Yeah.

Listen, Jacob, you're a Bulls fan. You've been watching a lot of fake basketball. I know they've been good lately and winning games. No, I haven't. I know they've been winning games. No, I haven't. You think I'm watching Bulls games? I would not.

I am protesting right now. Okay. Every other year of my entire NBA fandom, I easily watched more Bulls games than any other team in the league. This year, it's not even close. I've probably watched less Bulls games than like maybe like, 15 different teams. That's how I feel about the Lakers.

This is like, even counting the Western Westbrook years, this is like my least favorite year of Lakers fandom I can remember. Like I have gone to the point where I don't watch every single game. I do not like this. My thing is like,

I don't need to watch the Bulls like I need to watch other teams. I know what the game's going to be like. I know what's going to happen. It doesn't matter. Excited to watch Kobe White's 21 points? The only real upside lately has been Kobe White.

I do fear that Bulls fans are falling into a pattern that they always do, which is just falling in love with the most okay players. Like the idea of Kobe White as a franchise player is something I've heard people talk about. I'm like, guys, do we really need to do Zach Levine again? Like, come on, let's let's not do this. This is a runoffice thing down, though. Like, they've 100% established a culture for sure. And the fans have caught on.

Front office loves mid. fans love mid right like it's just top down i can't fucking stand it we're one of the top five most the money-making franchises in the league it's chicago it's the third biggest city in the entire country can't attract anyone there pow gasol is the best we can do in my entire time as a fan and alics paugasal alex der mara rosen was a trade i'm talking about free agency like we don't operate like a big time franchise We aren't like, yeah, we're a top dog. We act like the Charlotte Hornets when we're a huge market.

Listen, it gets cold in Chicago. Not a lot of people like the cold like that. It gets cold in New York. That's what I'm saying. And nobody, who's the biggest New York free agent that's been? It's been Brunson, who now everybody was what was crazy about whenever he signed. I mean, it's a mongery. Exactly.

It's two in the last 14 years. That didn't work out. So. Tough. The same thing. The cold be pushing people away. sadly we won't be talking about the Bulls this episode any further that shit is done now but we're going to talk about the next later among other teams before we get to that if we're

watching on YouTube drop a like and subscribe audio platforms leave us five stars leave a review follow us on all socials everything like that let's just jump straight into it Pray on eaters rejoice. Donovan, what is our first team we're going to talk about? You can go first. Give us your first hot take. All right, real quick. We're just going to get this out the way because I don't know if this is necessarily a hot take.

But, and again, starting off strong. The 76ers are going to miss the playoffs via the playing. They're not going to be in the tournament at all. They have been, listen, it was cute for a minute, seeing everything that Tyrese was able to do. too, and he was really able to elevate himself and play well. But this team is not good anymore, and they are losing a lot of games. They've scored under 80, like two or three times in the last week. And they're just falling apart.

When I look at, like, who is going to be in the playing, it's going to be them. It's going to be the Miami Heat. It's going to be the Chicago Bulls who can make a game interesting on any night. And if they end up playing those two teams, one of those two teams, it's probably going to be a rap. So it sucks, right? Because they had all this promise with Embed in his fantastic season. It's over. It's over. Move on the next year. That's tough. They are currently tied for the seven seed. I mean, seven seed. Yeah, seven seed with the Pacers who, listen, Tyreys Halliburton was great to start the year. He's in money laundering for a few months since he heard

his hamstring and hasn't been the same. I don't know if I'm necessarily terrified of them passing them up with what they've been playing. But, you know, the Miami heat are looming. Listen, unironically, the Chicago Bulls are looming. They've been really good as of late comparatively to what they started. Yeah. Which team do you see being the one to pass up the 76ers make them fall into the playing tournament? Is it the Pacers? Probably. Yeah, it's probably the Pacers. I think, I think Miami can get there, but they also haven't been great as of late. And I don't, like, we're just waiting. And we, listen, we have Miami later so we can talk about them but let me ask you this like where are the sixers seated in this hypothetical are they seven

eight or are they nine ten either way either way i don't think they make it out well if they if but if they're seven eight that means they have to lose two games and i believe they will lose two games okay let's assume the patience pass them up that's the most likely one yes i'm not i would not say that they lose two games i think that's a stretch if joel and beat isn't there let's go let's go let's go let's say if joel imbid isn't there sure yeah but if joel is there which for what for what i've seen is likely there's no way they're gonna lose two not the bottom of the east is very bad it would all right we keep talking with them it would have to be the chicago bulls to knock them out can you imagine the discourse if damar the bulls very very nearly knocked the heat out last

year yeah so listen the heat let's say the heat beat them in the first playing game fair second one it would be the winner of hawks bulls the hawks we're talking about money laundering the hawks and money laundering the fuck out of their teams for what it's worth as it relates to the bulls joel and bead has owned the chicago bulls for his entire career by a landslide i think literally this year is the first time he's ever lost to the chicago bowls is that like a little that's insane yeah i think he literally went like 16 and oh that's crazy like at least over a certain stretch like it was ridiculous so that's a sub bonus already had Chicago's number and you know what okay we'll change this because I guess this is this will be the evolving part of the hot take

where even if Embed is there I think that they lose because why is that the plan starts this is just the playing hating it's it's not it's not though because I mean the plane starts a month from or about a month like 33 days whatever joel and bead is 7 feet 280 pounds hasn't played basketball in a while. And if he doesn't play within the next week and have two weeks to ramp himself up, get himself into actual basketball shape, is the first, is the playing game that he goes against the heat or the Bulls? Is that going to be his second game back? His third game back? Like, how reasonable, how reasonable is it to ask and be who's been rehabbing for the last two months to instantly come out onto the floor, drop 35 and 13 and lead them to a win? I don't

think he has to be that and be to be enough to beat the Bulls. It's not a high bar to clear. The thing is that we don't even know he's really going to play. We haven't heard much about his return to even team activities. The last thing we've heard is Ramona Shelburne saying she's hearing he's nowhere close. She's a yapper. So let's not pretend that's like an official report. But we haven't heard anything good lately. I look this up by the way. Joel Unbeat is 14 and 2 against the Chicago Bulls through his entire career. For what it's worth, for what it's worth both of those losses are this season so maybe this

is the year rewriting history we can beat them yeah I see the vision though they are really pitiful without Joel and bead and if he doesn't come back

I think it's very clear they're not making any type of run so I respect the take I guess I'll no Jacob you can do the next one what's your next I'll take are we just going from the top of the list because it'd be the suns

whatever order you want yeah let's do the sons let's address your favorite player yeah my Phoenix Sun's hot take it's one I've said before it's not that scorching hot I don't think but Devin Booker

is pretty easily the best player on the Phoenix Sun Easily Okay let's dive into this I've said similar things in the past but I don't know if I'd use the word easily So why do you feel so strong Easily doesn't necessarily mean it's by a landslide

It just means it's still an easy choice You know Even if someone's If someone's clearly 5% better then you know it's an easy choice to pick the person who's clearly 5% better but anyways uh devon booker i think the real difference to me is playmaking uh devon booker is essentially a point guard at this point uh the nba is adapting to or starting to uh have this type of archetype of player lead franchises more and more like the big lead guard slash forward uh you know i've i've talked

about how like shooting guards are just being converted into point guards these days and that's exactly what's happening to devon booker right now and i think that his play style just actually impacts the game more than kevin durant who 50% of the time is doing like a hezzy midrange pull-up and that's like almost everything that he ever does and it's just the scoring is impactful and he is playing some of the better defense of his career this year both of them are but Kevin Duran is who I'm talking about specifically but either way I think just having that much of an impact on your team's offense

I kind of felt this way back when James Hardin was on the nets there was a stretch where I was like James Hardin because of how he's facilitating is impacting this game and impacting this offense more than just isolation scoring is doing so yeah I prefer Devin Booker's play style over Kevin Durant's any day of the week I think it's a good take okay I was saying similar things the start of the year it's like same reasons right we saw point book come out

and be like a whole new level the first few games where he got hurt and it was like oh yeah listen changing of the guard is coming I think a lot of people would hesitate to say this this year because KD was so good it keeping them afloat when all those guys were hurt that they're going to give him like he's also shooting like fucking 45% from three yeah ridiculous right so I agree with you because I felt this way like especially like in the last year into early this year, because of recency bias. I felt that way watching them in the Denver series.

I was like, oh yeah, Booker is clearly the one who makes a difference than if this team wins or not. For sure. And people, I'm just saying people are going to have a recency bias reason to think it sounds crazy because KD has done so much caring burden for his team this year. But I think if you just take that away from this and don't have that emotional attachment to what he's done this year, I think you're probably right. I also just don't think that this Kevin Durant is the same as. like Kevin Durant

I think it's pretty clear the past couple of years he's just not like Pete Kevin Durant is easily significantly better than Devin Booker but this is not Pete Kevin Durant yeah he gets at the rim like 15% less than he did last year like it's a big difference oh he doesn't he just

it's insane how repetitive his game is especially for like how much he gets like bag talk or it's like is it really that much of a bag if you're half of your shots are the same move I'm not trying to

I was just about to say I'm not trying I was about to say I'm not trying to hate because that's exactly what I'm doing but like I realize part of that is the older age like he can't he doesn't have the burst the way that that guy used to move versus how he moves now it's night and day you don't really realize it until you

watch like old Durant footage when I was doing this Durant Hater video recently I was watching like OkCKD and I was like God damn man he's fucking fast I will say the defense is a big difference We kind of dismissed it

He's a far better defender now than he was previously I've seen some people say like he has an all defense case This year which is a bit dramatic to me But I do think he has been like It's a step too far Yeah too far but he's been like well above average Like clearly the best defensive player on his team Which is nothing you would ever say during Oklahoma City years

So I do think of credit on that it's also like a low bar. It's like Yusuf Nurkich is next up. Listen, you're clearing Grayson Allen. Good job. Royce O'Neill. Donovan. Yeah. In 2017, his first year with the Warriors, 32% of his shots came at the room, which was 44th percentile. So it wasn't even crazy.

What do you think is that this year? How many, what percentage of his shots come with the room? 44, right then. I'm going to guess 19%. 18%. Fourth percentile. So he's like a bottom three. He's qualified as a big now. he's like a bottom three big in the league

that's getting to the room he's turning to Carmelo Anthony it's just only mid-range shots what are we doing is that that slight is that more hate what are we going trailblages trailblages there we go I thought we were on the same page

got significantly worse and regressed dramatically and became Carmillow Anthony yeah we're gonna have to switch topics I thought we were on the same page hate on Katie I thought that's what we were doing I thought we were locked in I don't like this

I think the hardest thing with Katie is that we know you're saying his game is really repetitive and you know what he's going to do but it works right to an extent like you said. It works. I'm not saying it doesn't work. It definitely does. I'm coming to conclusion that you'll agree with. It works in the regular season.

We'll get to the playoffs. We've seen less of a less of a conversion of that efficiency to the playoffs setting when teams really are game playing to make it not work so that I just have the back my head that even when I'm seeing him do great this year on both sides of the ball

I find a hard to believe he'll be this great in the playoffs when we've seen like three years in a row with some former drop you know that meme about him being like uh 26 points on like 10 shots merchant yeah like that being mr i think efficiency man is the thing uh seems like when the playoffs come around it's not so much efficiency man it's more i got to shoot the ball 30 times to get 40 points yeah don't how do you feel because you've you've been a katy hitter in the past too not to this level but how are you what's your current gauge on him i okay so I agree. I do think, well, okay, I can, I respect the take and I can fully see the take

out. For me, I think it's still really, really close. And on some nights, just because of the way the suns are built with this like top heavy bag, bag, Twitter, right? Like, you're, you're going to have, you're going to have three guys who are going to go out and get buckets and like book is essentially going to, you know, going to be the point guy to do all that stuff. I think having Durant come in and be as efficient as he is be as two way for that specific team it might put him in a position to where he's giving them a floor that is very very like needed for them so so i can still see the argument for kd being better but i mean the playoff stuff is really where where like it makes a difference and like jenka was talking about last year it was clear that you can see devon booker

you know be on a different level yeah if the guy makes 80% of his shots in a series he's amazing right he's he's great booker was fucking nuts last yeah he's going he's going crazy and but i'm curious to see if booker's there and we'll see if beals healthy if you have somebody else and the rest of the team doesn't die out the same way that CP3 and aton did can we get somewhat of like a renaissance of a old school kevin direct type of run this year i don't I don't necessarily think it's going to happen just because the nuggets are in the way, but I don't, I don't think we can rule it off the table this year. One way or the other, they're frauds.

It doesn't matter who's better. Well, okay. Are they frauds? Like who, how much belief do you think the general public is? Because if you think that that is like really high, then they are frauds. I don't think that they're amazing in the first place. So I just think that they are. I would say, because I've said that on my channel a handful of times.

and it's always got a lukewarm response. Like, it's not that spicy of a take for sure. A lot of people are like, yeah, they just don't quite have enough. They're probably out there. I'm going to cut you off. He pulled his tweet years. Sun's choking harder than a prime Lisa Ann. What is this?

May 15th, 2022. Man, I'm tweeting about Lisa Ann in 2022. I thought it was more mature than that by then. At 6 p.m. In middle of the day. You didn't have dinner yet. I'm going to finish this game. I need to see what happened.

I wouldn't tweet like that anymore. I just, I grew out of it. That's an old phase. Okay, I'll give you credit. This was a two years ago. Maybe you're a change man.

Game seven. What the fuck were we talking about? Yeah, that was game seven versus. Okay, that was fair. That was fair. There was some Lisa Anning going on in this game. I respect it.

That's the right time to say that. Yeah. If you're going to pull that card, this is the game. That was embarrassing. all right what was i talking about that was really distracted you were talking about uh your fans were lukewarm what the public opinion is like i i don't think they have high super high expectations

but there are a lot of people who think they can make a run a lot of people who say they're the second best team uh i definitely disagree with that i would take the clippers timber Wolverwolves and Thunder and obviously the Denver Nuggets in a series over Phoenix. Yeah, a few episodes ago, we did bold predictions, and I said they're going to lose in the first round, so I'm with you. In relation to that particular ass beating that the Mavericks gave, I also feel like the Mavericks could beat them in a series just because Luca would do that. That's fair.

Yeah, that would be incredibly hard of a series to pick. I don't even know where to begin thinking about that one. That would be a fun series That'd be a really, really good series, dude I might have to just go with the dad magic of Luca just owning them Like that might just have to be the Just aura pick

I don't even think I can be logical about it That's certainly the most fun outcome Kyrie beating KD There's so many layers Right We can move on to the next team I'm gonna do the Milwaukee Bucks next next

And this one might not be a hot take Actually no puppy is I still think they have a top three chance to making the finals in the NBA. In the NBA? Of every team. I would give them four. I would give them four,

but I think if you want to argue for them over the Clippers, I would give you that. Yeah. Like, I think everyone has, I think most people have a Nugget Celtics finals, right? Yeah, I think Denver's a lock for sure. That's why that's basically the point of this is Denver's going to make the finals, I think.

I have no doubt of my mind. I bet my fucking mortgage on it. I don't have a mortgage on it. Really, it just comes down, because I think almost everyone's top two are those two. After that, it just comes down to them versus the Clippers. And Thunder and Timberwolves, whoever do you believe in more?

I don't know. I feel like most people, at least that's how I feel about it. It's like those teams are like a slight, slight tier below them. But the Clippers and the Bucks are like for real, I think. The Bucks have a lot of reasons to be concerned, but I also have like a gut feeling that they're just going to put it together. they're just in time. That's interesting because I feel the

exact opposite way. Like I'm seeing everything. I think they're going to collapse. I see everything that's happening right now and I see the fact that they are putting it together. The defense was a major problem. It's not that much of an issue right now. Or like, you know, like it's not as bad as it was.

I cannot watch them without thinking that they are going to implode in the playoffs. Interesting. Why do you feel that way? And this duo, this duo was getting modern Kobe and shack talk and now we're Dame is so disappointing dog

Janus stuck up to his end of the bargain he's been doing his shack impression plenty fine dame's been ass this year yeah he's not been great why do you feel like they're still frauds Donovan because like you said they've been much better over the last 10 games they've been a pretty good defense has been much better

yeah they've been and that's my point give me all of the stats tell me all the reasons why the butt's up for me just keep going and I'll tell you you why. Just tell me why. Just cut to it. What do you still see the issue with them? They have Doc Rupert as their coach and their

vibes. Do not feel good. I cannot get passes. This is a team that fired their coach midseason and they brought in one of the biggest choking coaches of all time. If you are going to tell me that he is going to lead this entire revolution

of the bucks being better and that he's going to take them from a team that was trying to fire their coach after the in-season tournament and get them to win a championship or get to the finals, I can't get there. It's not, it's not happy. I think, I think if the bucks go up to one on anybody, they need to intentionally lose game four. Just to make it even. Yeah, to not have the 3-1 loom. Yeah. Otherwise, they're fucked. If you just make the 3-1 series, there's no way that's not happening. Yeah. Yeah. My biggest concern is obviously, Damien,

Lillard, right? He has been on pumpkin mode as of late. I was seen tweets. I was like, this is how Kimba Walker looked in that last couple years when he was really losing it. I was like, damn. Not a bad comparison. Listen, when a small guard loses it. It's awful. It's awful. But like, when a small guard loses that, you can fucking tell. And there's been some games that you

can really tell he's off. I'm holding out hope that it's mostly a rhythm thing. It's mostly him and Yannis on the same page. Cold shooting sprees happen. We know about all the personal life stuff going on with him. I'm holding up. He's also in an entirely different environment. Exactly.

We've only seen Dame on one team. And one role. That's the main thing. He's still adjusting to being a second option or just running one. He has been a secondary early in his career. Yeah, he wasn't at his level though. He had like ascended to being used to first option, which is like a big difference. I'm holding out hope that that's the reason this is happening, not because he's just cooked

and lost a step athletically. But it's not a lot of time to get it together. So I understand if you're still trepidacious and don't want to like give him credit that he's figured out. He's on the core in his feelings, and it's like making him shoot like seven. He's making him shoot like 5% worse from three than he would be otherwise.

I guess the other argument would be, there's only like, what, 20 games left in the season. So if he doesn't start getting it together now, you're going to be a hard price to figure out when that could finally happen. But I'm going to choose to believe that Jan is having the best season of his career offensively,

just as efficient has ever been, the best passing he's ever had. Defense isn't quite the same level as we saw like 26-year-old Janus. But there's not a lot of teams you can project out East that have the ability to really stop Yonis in the playoff series. I'm not going to believe that the heat are going to figure it out like they did when he was 25.

He's past that. I think his passing is going to kill that whole wall thing that killed him for years. I just think that's going to be a bigger equalizer in a playoff series than it is in a regular season game. Okay. And that's fair. I do want to say, oh, wait, never mind.

This is stat news being stupid. I was like What is Dame average without Janus And I was like Oh these are pretty good It's all 690 games He hasn't been teammates with Janus Like what the fuck man

It's obviously not what I meant That's Yeah it's Nick you'll pull up a tweet From October a second Okay okay here it is This is pretty interesting In the because I've seen people argue

That Yonis has actually hindered Dame That was one of the hot takes I got the other day he does average 32 and 7 in the three games he's played without Yannis. Obviously there's a reason for him to increase his shooting but like the efficiency is also really good. I don't even think that's a hot take. I think it's just true. Like they've talked about it. There's been like reporting the athletic talking to them like explicitly

about why the Damian's pick and roll doesn't work. And Yonis has straight up been like I'm not used to setting screens. I'm not particularly good at it. And like that's clearly the impact of why they haven't been working together. Yonis doesn't want to be Amari Sotomayor. He wants to be LeBron. He wants to be the creator. He's not used to being a Mari Sotomayor and send those screens. Not used to the short role reads. So that definitely doesn't help Dame getting into a good rhythm. If they don't have like a 10 game stretch over these last whatever, 17, 20 games, whatever it is, if they don't have a stretch where that connection starts to look like it is ramping up

to be an elite elite two-man, two-man game, do you still feel the same way about the bucks going into the playoffs. Do I still feel like they have a top three chance? Yes. But it's mostly off of the fact that I think the Nuggets are going to stomp the West and I have nobody putting them in the West and even have a chance to get out.

And I think that automatically puts the bucks up there because I think the Celtics are, I think they're more vulnerable than the Nuggets are. Yeah, just because... That does actually make sense because the Clippers could theoretically be a better team but they're more likely to be stomped out by Denver but Boston is a more beatable opponent.

I actually really from that point of view I actually agree with you Love that Love a good W take Give me validation Third most likely But fourth best team That's how I would put it

Sure I didn't even think about Who's a third best team Between those two teams But I can maybe I can still convince me Or I convince myself To still put the bucks number three When it comes down to it

But like you said Donovan I would like to see A better stretch leading up until the playoffs I'm just gonna keep my fingers crossed And hoping it happens at this point all right fair what's your next name all right we're going to go to the Denver Nuggets and I and this is if the Nuggets win a championship which I think that they very much have a great chance to do I still have Boston winning the chip but if the Nuggets win it when if the Nuggets win the title Nicole Yokic is on it's either she's on the verge of having one of like the four or five most impressive stretches we've ever seen in the NBA. Inject this into my fucking veins.

Yeah, that's, I'm with it. Like the runs, the runs that we talk about and the peaks that we talk about from all the players. If the Nuggets end up winning a title, Nicole Eilochitz will have two MVPs in four years who have back-to-back titles, something that only like eight iterations of teams. Like the Bulls did it, like, like, he's winning a third MVP this year too. Keep that in mind. Oh, listen, I'll give you that, right?

If the, if the, if the, they're going to give it to aura, man. Yeah. If they, I don't, I don't know. But let's, let's go with, with that. Three MVP's in four years, back to back titles. He is the, in my opinion, clear, clear number one player in the world. And I actually don't think that, that it's close. I think, I think, I think it's that.

I mean, I already do think that's true, but. There's that. And, and there's the fact that, like, when, you look at the way that the NBA is set up right now, structurally, it's built around player movement, and there's built in parity, and it's so hard to keep teams together for runs, for stretches, and for them to go back to back and be the first team to do it, we've had a different champion every year for the last five years. And if the nuggets are the first team in, I guess, modern, second apron and all this other stuff, to go back to back, that would be

honestly one of the toughest back-to-backs we've ever seen in NBA history and on top of that it was the same way that the 22 ring did for Steph where it kind of cleared a lot of the old questions people have all the talk about Yokic in 2020 and 21 would be wiped out because as soon as he gets his guys back as soon as Murray and MPJ get back he goes back to back he is on the verge of of having like top four top five peak in NBA history it's ridiculous i'm glad you said it and not me i get labeled at yokey laser all the time and i'm glad you put it out there so i can agree because you are speaking about kind of curious this hopefully this isn't derail into too much but like how close do you think he can get to a goat conversation oh he would he would need i think he would

need four he's not even going to be 30 by the time this title would be wrapped up well yeah 28 28 29 which is which is crazy I think I think he would he's an iron man he would probably need to be four because like that upper echelon of like curry LeBron MJ has six crew do curry in there I'm I'm we're talking about what top 12 top 15 right Kobe shack all those guys I think he can crack top 10 I think that's fair and I and I agree I agree with that bird in right Duncan has five four five um five yeah five five five for six in the final you have to kind of get past like that three and so if they get one he can definitely easily vaults up there but yeah like if you want to talk about hakeem in the 90s or like brown in the 2012s or jordan or anything like that

everything that yoke's is doing and especially because he could own the era i think he could totally just own the 20 dude we talk all the time about what like the face of the NBA is and how you have to be like this wing and you're taking like these tough shots and you have to beat this very clutch man there is nobody that i think i don't think i trust anybody more with five minutes to go than nicoly yokic with the ball he's going to make every single right play he's going to do things that you don't even know or possible down the stretch of games it's crazy so that we should i think something we should talk about more with yokic is that like he has an argument for being like maybe the most all around player ever because he's also a really really good defender he's still people yeah

i can't i can't go i can't go there it's fine it's fine it's fine it's good it's good in totality it's good but it's not impressive like i'm with you good defender he's a good defender he's a good good enough okay no not good enough good i know i know i and he proved it consistently when it counted most and he'll do it again. I agree. When you say one of the well-rounded players ever and we have someone like a LeBron Jane. The thing about this.

That's a legit great defender. He led his team in points, rebounds, and assist by a country mile on his way to a championship where they lost four games. It's crazy. He led the playoffs in total in all three of those categories.

I'm which. Yeah. That's not all around. I'm with you. He's got to be at least top five. For sure. But you have someone like LeBron who you could say all those same exact things for, but he's also a great defender in his prime. He's a good defender.

But there's someone like a prime in LeBron's obviously another tier of defender first position. Obviously. So that's why it's hard to say the best ever, but I'm with you. Yokic ain't making any all defensive teams. I'm now under no illusion to that. But he's definitely a positive defensive player. For sure. There's a big difference in him and then the like Yokic copies that we see between like Sengun and Sabonis, who are at best fine defensively that you're kind of hoping they can be neutral.

You don't give a fuck about throwing shots around, huh? Those fan bases come for people, man. Oh, if you don't, I have experienced it more than anybody. You piss off a European fan and they come for you. Dude, last week, I've got to be mentioned as I can talk about it. Last week we did the top young players rankings, and I said chat is better than Sangoon. We start arguing about it. And I have a bad habit when I argue, I get very dismissive about the other side, even when I don't necessarily mean so.

And I was listening to all things chat does better. And the last word of my, I think of what I well thought of our argument with lots of empirical evidence, I said, what is Sengun bring better than Chet? Fucking vibes. And those Turkish fans heard me say, all Sengun has his vibes, and they ran with it, and they assaulted me on Twitter.

They fried me. They were called me Fatso in Turkish. Some of them said I looked like Peter Griffin. It was crazy. It was nuts. I was getting cooked. They were going in. Crazy.

Yeah, I'm with you. And I also constantly say Sabonis is the most overrated player in the league. So I know the vitriol that European fans can bring when they have their Superman. I really don't know if I can get it. behind that because other than like a select group of people on Twitter, like how many people are really talking about Tavana Sabonis like that? People will be surprised because these countries, every Lithuanian fan that likes the NBA,

Lithuania is not a huge country, but everybody there loves Sabonis. He's there, LeBron. So it's just an entire mite of country as you. So you just get all these European names and your mentions that are just like, you don't know anything you stupid American. It's crazy. I don't know, man. I think they're allowed to glit. their guy. They are. They are. That's how it goes.

Yeah, for sure. I'm not mad at it. It's just, you know, it's like you said, those fan bases come with it. It's part of the package.

Yeah. I don't blame him at all. Yeah. But yeah. Back to Yokic. Yeah. That's why Yokin's. He's on that verge.

We'd like seriously have to talk about him in that way, in that historical context if they, if they get it done this year. For sure. I think we can talk about like future goat conversation and stuff if he continues to do this for another six years or whatever. Yeah.

But even off of this, this four-year peak alone, if it ends up being three MVP's in two chips or even three MVP's in one chip if it doesn't win this year, Hakeem, say goodbye to your top 10 possibilities because he's coming for that spot of like the fourth best center. I don't think Hakeem's not who's dropping for me. Whoever may be, the centers, obviously there's Kareem, Shack, and then whoever else. Another white boy. Larry Bird?

Yeah. He's number 10 for you? I don't know explicitly. I just know that I'm thinking of like what my top 10 is and like, like, like maybe Bill Russell RIP but still whoever's in that ring

but you know if we're ranking the top centers it's obviously like Kareem Shack Will and whatever if you count Wilton Russell unless people were like fuck them plumbers whatever but like usually Wilts the Kevin Durant of his era Donovan has a famous rant about this so he's with you but usually Hakeem is like fourth in that talk

that's the spot that Yoko is definitively coming for I think if he wins another ring I think he can be equal footing with Hakeem if not better which is hard because Fair enough Hakeem's just not who dropped for me I got other targets first Another agenda's the push

All right Jacob What's your next team I think it's the Minnesota Timberwolves Let me see This is an interesting one I'm glad I gave you this team Because obviously they're one of the more divisive teams And we were very very clear

Timberwolves haters coming into the year And we've had to eat our words a little bit How do you feel? Here's my reason first of all I've kind of believed in the Timberwolves for like when basically after the Rudy go bear trade and everyone was hating on that and like immediately looked to dunk on it

like the second that they struggle a little bit I was kind of like you guys just give it a second I think I see what they're trying to cook it's just not ready yet yeah and here we are this year and it looks like it works and really the only question this is the question that you will always get when you have a top team, like one of the best record teams in the league, but they don't

have a guy who like is without question one of those like heavy hitter world champion superstar guys. Anthony Edwards has shown flashes of doing that. And I think that this year's playoffs is where he is going to break out as a superstar to the point where it's not up for debate. Anthony Edwards is that guy because if you'll recall last year Anthony Edwards against the team that won the championship mind you had what I'm pulling up his averages right now yeah no he was going crazy 30 31 points five rebounds five assists 48% from the field 35% from three on nine attempts got eight free throw attempts per game like he was scorching And the Timberwolves, I think the Nuggets themselves even said that the Timberwolves were the team that gave them the most trouble last year, which is crazy to think about.

But regardless, I think I'm personally a believer in the Timberwolves, and I believe that Ant is going to thrive in this year's playoffs. And that kind of breaks the glass ceiling for the Timberwolves for how far they can go. ultimately I think they'll fall short to Denver as I say with anybody else but I actually feel better about them than a lot of people do for sure I think Anthony Edwards makes or breaks it yeah for sure if he like elevates his game for real starts playing like Michael Jordan or a man then we can we can actually see some serious stuff from the Timberwolves this year so when you say he's in a solidify himself as a true superstar for sure so is your hot take basically like by then this playoffs would be like a top 10 player yeah okay yeah i don't think

that's crazy i mean like i think like i think devon booker is the 10th best player in the league if you told me that by end this playoffs we might all agree that edwards is pushing him for best shooting guard in the league and their neck and neck i could buy that he that the jump shot obviously is the thing that he's been more consistent defensively he's improved massively early in his career a lot of his glazers were like he's an elite defender and he wasn't but this year he's been but he is now he's pretty close to elite he is a just a big playmaker in the same way that like is that maybe they don't have like the constant play to play like lockdown of Herb Jones but for a superstar that has to put that much output offensively they really bring it as a

playmaker defensively passing still TBD he still hasn't developed as a passer really he's been better this year sure he's definitely been the best playmaking of his career for sure but still not to a level that's like impressive by any means right that still has a long way to go and i expect that it'll take time he's only like 24 but if that jump shot can really come along and be consistent for extended playoff stretch, that's the point where he's going to look unguardable. Because when it comes, when that mid-range shot is falling, there's not much you can do with him. Yeah.

It's MJ out there. Out there. Excuse me. Okay. I'm going to take this opportunity because I'm going to mold it because this Timberwool's take kind of molds into another hot take that have another team because I'm actually on the opposite side. And so my next team

that we can mold is the Dallas Mavericks. And I think the Mavericks get up to six. I think that they first round the Tim Wolves. Oh. That is he our first true hot take. Okay. I think they get them. Is cat healthy in this scenario?

No. He's not. Okay. He's not. Yeah, he's not. And also, I have no idea if there's been

some like crazy new advancement in meniscus surgery. But every time that they talk about these dudes like getting surgery and they're like, oh yeah, they'll be back in like a month or so. And I'm like, guys these are seven beat 270 pound men like how are they how do you expect them to come back and be just fine in like five weeks it just feels it just feels weird but in this scenario where cat is not there one i think that aunt has had a very he's had a very rough march

um right now 40 in in this month 42% from the field 26% from from three um i think offensively They already had issues even when Kat was playing well down the stretch of games. They are not like fantastic in club situations. And if we're going superstar for superstar in that situation, I'm going to take the best player on the floor. And I think Luca is going to be able to manipulate Tim Woolf's defense and he's going to be able to elevate to a level to where they can, they can beat them in the first round. And it sucks because Minnesota has had such a great year.

but if they don't have cat and they don't have another legitimate scoring punch like that I think Dallas can 100% get them what do you got how do you guys feel about Kyrie right now because he had a slow start to the year but he's been fantastic

for majority of the season now when he's been healthy do you view him as like a big playoff X factor because you know people are pretty split on Kyrie's impact these days I think he's right back where he belongs being a second option to

a generational talent yeah next to an elite Playmaker is a difference there. Obviously, Katie doesn't bring that. That's a bit different of equation. Him being able to just be the shooting guard while Luca does his normal Lucas stuff and give like I said, a generational talent. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, Kevin Durant's a generational talent. Let's pump the brakes. Yeah. It's easy to say to agree to this if Katz not going to play. Like obviously you're down one of your best players. He was already my biggest question mark for the team. But I'll go out on a limb though. And I'll say that even if

cat is there, I think I would still pick the Mavericks. Interesting. That's, I, I, it's hard for me to talk about the Timberwolves in these settings and not just like be vicking the confirmation bias because I obviously came into the season, not believing in Kat and Gobert together. And that was because of Cat, not because of Gobert. I've been the biggest Gobert defender, I can imagine. I was, I agree.

I was fully like Cat needs to go. And he's been better. If he's fucking up, Gobert. 100%. He destroyed his reputation because Cat couldn't play the four. And he's been better. obviously he's figured it out I obviously offensively

it's still not great it's good enough and defensively he's done a really good job I'll give him that which I never thought he could as a four I think even in a playoff setting if he's healthy

I really teams are gonna make cat beat them offensively they're gonna make him make decisions make him attack mismatches they're gonna switch against him and be like fine go down in the post

and beat us posting up PJ Washington or posting up Tim Hardaway you let go bear stand there and do nothing while you attack in the post like they're gonna try to you know like

what's the word where they try to like worse him into doing his worst instincts and just let him attack the pose yeah they're going to bait him into it and he's not to beat them as a passer with limited spacing obviously there's not a lot of passing on the roster outside of him i have those doubts with him being there if he's not going to be there i find it hard to believe they'll beat any great team in a playoff setting yeah so so how do you yeah i don't know if it i i don't know if it takes the takes the leap this this playoffs um i mean there's a chance like we're waiting for it and i like i want to see it happen but i i think that his

ascension is probably going to be a little bit slower as he figures out certain aspects of his game rather than boom this is anthony edwards top 10 player immediately it's i think it's going to take a little bit more time than that yeah it's someone fortunate that cah got hurt at this time like yeah they had so much opportunity to prove us all wrong and make a splash like for the first time and i don't know how long this team is actually serious How unfortunate that, like, it's, I can just be like, yeah, I told you he was never going to win because I was not going to play.

Yeah. Like, if you're pushing agendas, it's so easy right now. It's tough, man. It's tough. But, yeah, also, what Luca's doing this crazy. And I think, like, he's also getting to that point

where if we're in a first round series, it's, it's kind of hard to, to look at him and think that he can. But Jason Kimmer and Chris Finch, Jason Kitt's pretty terrible. I feel like Luca is one of those players. that you can never 100% count them out in a series

because they're who they are. Yeah. Like in any matchup, like when it was like young LeBron with garbage-ass players around him, it was still like, can he beat the big three boss in Celtics? Maybe. And like that's how I feel about Luca right now.

Yeah. You definitely can't write him out. He's such a one-man wrecking crew that's like only player I feel similarly to is Yokic. And obviously Yokic has the elite team. So that's why I'm like, he's fucking making the finals with these. If Luka had that in the same way. I think Luka and Yokic are the same guy. We just got the center and guard version. 100%. Yeah. I have quite the video of my personal show coming out this next week is about that and how he is like Yokic. They're just

like the perfect player for this generation for what the game needs from a skillset perspective. They are quite literally the perfect players. He just doesn't have the team to make it happen. And obviously the discourse is very stupid and reactionary. time Lucas team loses more than four games. I have Luca's the second best player in the NBA personally. I don't think that's ridiculous. Isn't a great look for me to have two white dudes

at the top of my best. I'm just being honest. And you're snubbing two Africans. Can you believe that? Unbelievable. He's right now. Oh, boy. Get him out of here.

You get them all on the phone. He has some words for you. Sip water. That's so good. yeah man i think that's a good take and that was your maverick take yeah yeah okay move on to my next team do the celtics i look i'm wearing your lakers hat you can take for that what you will how i feel about the southics usually i have been not the highest on them just compared to everybody else who's like they're fucking walking to the finals i've been a little

cautious and I've been labeled a Celtics hater because of that because Celtics fans don't fuck around and they're just like tell me Jason Tatum's the goat or I'm gonna fucking scream at you. I do think though that Jason Tatum has become underrated in discourse and that's my hot take with them is that weirdly Jason Tatum who has never been underrated maybe a little bit overrated at times has now been underrated because people are so reactionary online and obviously he's had some poor shooting games as of late and he really tried to just like ram himself into the MVP conversation in a very honestly embarrassing. embarrassing way and because of that people were really put the microscope on him he had terrible

shooting games after that and people were like listen you got this great team you're not necessarily doing much for them blah blah blah blah and it's gone too far and I know I was this is sparked by I saw uh joel from the pickaside podcast was they had a big rant about it and he had tweeted is there a single thing that jason tatum's elite at and everybody else is like now he's just kind of good at everything but nothing is elite and I think we're kind of taking him not taking for granted because it doesn't matter he's not lebron james or anything but we're forgetting how good he He's not valuable he is, I think. So you know how, like, when Luca came into the league

and, like, LeBron was getting older, fucking, what's his name? Skip Bayliss was like, you know what, I need to move on and become a hater of someone else if I'm going to extend my career. That's how I feel about Jason Tatum with Kevin Durant getting older. It's like, I got my next target. It's going to wings. That's fantastic.

I do, and I'm just like, Jason Tate, I don't know, I feel like, I, listen, I have a reason to be spiteful. This guy got me, frankly. So, like, after, you know how when he was, like, choking in the Sixers series, in, like, game five, he was, like, a no-show. Then he had the game where he was bad, but then went, like, five for five in the fourth quarter to get the Celtics the win. And then he had a 50 piece. And the video I uploaded in Game 5 was titled Jason Tatum is a fake superstar. And then he had 52 points in a game 7. So I was like, this son of a bitch.

The perils of you. It made me look like such a jackass. That's funny. More often than not, though, I feel like, I think the thing that people are pointing out when highlighting his team being as good as it is, is just that other superstars do not have the luxury to fuck up and still be okay that he does, which means that he overall tends to avoid criticism kind of inherently more often than other superstar players do. Yeah. Because so much of everything is writing on that individual player's shoulders where it's like there are games where Jason Tatum can have 12 points and the Celtics win by 20. Like it really

depends on the night. I think too much about that though is part of that is because his team is so good, obviously. Derek White's best role player in the league. Drew Holiday, one of the best defensive players of all time. And go down the list, obviously. A big part of that, though, is because the way Jason Tatum plays. If Luca Donchich shoots six for 15 and a half, his team's going to be down bad because he's not adding anything outside of that without the ball in his hands, there is an element to that Jason Tatum being a good off-ball player and being able to play a game that doesn't, isn't heliocentric, who lack for a better word, that does add to the fact that the Celtics can play this way and have other people succeed while he's on the course still.

He's playing. He's playing. The way I put it is like Luca is not playing the most ideal version of his game. You know, you like picture Luca with like a little bit more of an off ball role, a little bit more catch and shoot, not such crazy high uses. Like just like the perfect world where like Jason Tatum is in his perfect world. That means that his stats are not going to be as ridiculous as Luca Donchich who has to do so fucking much. Exactly. not in his perfect world. But he can still make people better when he's not putting the ball in the bucket every five seconds, right? Like, he's still impacts another ways. Sure, but

also, I just feel like even just imagining what they both look like as their most ideal selves, like because Luca versus Tatum was a huge thing that was disposed. Oh, I would never say that. I've never been that far. Yeah, it's like, man, if Luca had the teammates that Tatum has had to this point, we'd be talking about ring

number three. Exactly. Like, at least. Yeah. The difference there, people were saying like, the debate, that one, Luca clears. But people were like, is Jason Tatum even better than Devin Booker? I'm like, I think what it is, and the reason that people get hung up is like, is Jason Tatum capable of being the best player in a championship team? Yes. Is he your first, second, third, fourth, or maybe even fifth pick to do that? Probably not. And he's the guy who got to have this ridiculous core rather than one of those one, two, three, or fours. And I think,

Also, just people fucking hate any Boston team. That's what it is. Deserved because Boston sucks. I hate Boston. But see, we can't also be like his team is crazy. It is crazy. But we can't also be like, his team is so amazing. It's loaded.

They don't need him to do good. And then also every playoffs, like Jalen Brown fucking sucks and can't dribble. Like, you can't have one and the other. I mean, yes, you can. That's NBA Twitter. They can happily do that. But Jason Tatum, like, I think people sometimes look at that. They did this with like Jha and the Grizzlies when they would be good without him.

And it's like they can still be a good team without their best player, but he can be the difference between being a good team and a great team. Exactly. It's like it's not like the Celtics would have the same amount of wins without Jason Tatum. Like that's fucking ludicrous. Yeah. And he makes the system go more than people realize. Yeah.

I think I think a lot of that does get lost when you have guys like at the top of the league like Yokic, like Luca, where they do have crazy high, you know, usage. usage rates and everything does run through them and they are playing, you know, the heliocentric style of basketball. And for Tatum, it is like, I'm like your job, I'm supposed to come out here, score 28, play good defense and be in that elite two way like that, that kind of archetype is just like, okay, you're good, but you're not doing everything, you know? And so that has kind of been devalued a little bit if you're not initiating the

offense every play. if you're not running 30, 30, 40 pick and rolls every game, you know, like that. Yeah. His style of basketball is, and isn't really, like, appreciated like that. I think the big problem with Jason Tatum, the thing that's plagued him his entire career is unreliability. In the clutch specifically? Whether it's the clutch or otherwise, just there are, like, if Nicola Yokic is on the floor, you know, you're not missing him. you're not like is yokich on the floor right now or if luka you know these like true without a question bona fide heavy hitters

you're going to feel their presence every time where there can be games where you watch the celtics and it's like jason tatum has been on has been doing cardio this whole time maybe you hit like a catch and shoot three and it's just like i don't know that luxury just to go into role player mode whenever you just don't feel like trying I can't think of any other player with that situation in the league you could also call it the ability to not be able to be impactful and be part of a winning

team with the ball not in your hands like that's also valuable if you take it that way I mean but that suggests that like something like Yokic specifically is like well he's different I'm not doing too much yeah it's like not like it's doing too much it's more of so obviously the difference is some Celtics fans would be like

he's one of the best players in the world I would never compare him to a Yokic or or Yannis, whoever. Right, that's embarrassing. Yes, you're a fucking Homer. But you're talking about him versus like a Shea for being like the fifth or sixth best player in the league. That's the point where I think there is value to being offball

and you can view a negative lead that his team does well without him. Maybe that makes him less valuable. Sure, I'm not comparing him to those guys that that really would be a conversation for it. But I do think there is value to being able to still help your team and be impactful in other ways when your shot isn't falling. I'm definitely one to preach offball movement. I think it's consistently one of the,

most underrated skills in the game. Yeah. And it's not like he's Curry or anything, you know, but people end of the day, it's the Boston thing like he said. It's not like he's curry, that's crazy. It's at the end of the day, it's mostly the Boston thing like you said and people just don't give him any grace with the negatives because he gets so much overhyped from Celtics fans and they're so loud. But sometimes it gets traumatic as all.

I need to focus on fixing their infrastructure. Fuck everything else. I hate Boston so much. My next team is the New Orleans Pelicans. I've been feeling very good about the pelicans lately. I really like the wing depth of their roster specifically. I think if I could buy a house or put that money on Trey Murphy being excellent throughout his career, I'd put it on Trey Murphy. Like, I'm a very, very strong believer in him.

Herb Jones is shooting, like, 45% from three while being the lockdown. Like, that's hilarious. It's amazing. Zion Williamson has taken a step back in terms of, like, his dominance of the scoring, which is a little disappointing, for sure. But he still showcased his ability to, like, turn that on and be that guy. he's still a very dominant force and i've always wanted point zion to be a thing and it has happened more and more this year uh i think brandon ingram is a little underrated i think he's a

pretty great second option i think zion's still not quite at the point where we're like yeah that guy's a championship one like i think he still needs to prove more stuff to us to say that um honestly i would have said it with second year him but uh he's not been as good as he's not been as good he was his second year. But anyways, all this rambling aside, C.J. McCollum, also really good, shooting 42% from three on nine attempts a game. I think they could make it to the Western Conference Finals

if they get the right match. Listen, wow. I similarly to how I've been a Timberwell's Hater, I've been a bit of a Pelican's Hater. I am with you that they're good and I'm with you that Trey Murphy is him. They're not making a conference finals until they can start Trey Murphy.

And what I mean by that is, it's such an old. I mean, who says they don't work that out throughout the playoffs, though? You know, you're more likely to make some changes to your rotation like that. Problem is, it's all about, they're the deepest team in the league. They're fantastic. Valenchunis is the weakest link. And there we are with the problem. Pelican's fans get upset about this.

Some people scapego with Valchunis because they feel like it's casual and you're not watching them. He's not really an issue. He plays fine. That's the problem. He plays perfectly fine, so fine that they'll never feel the need to get rid of him. but if they were to get rid of him and find a more scale of piece, they would really improve. Let me give a shout out to Rudy, a producer on my channel, basically co-owner. Rudy is a Grizzlies fan, and he argued for the longest time when Valachunus was there.

He described Valenciunis as training wheels. Exactly. It's so accurate. That's good. So good. He said that Valentunis, like, it keeps you balance, it keeps you balance, it keeps you safe, but you're also not going to learn how to ride a bike if you don't take off the fucking training wheels.

Shout out of Rue. And, yeah, and the Grizzlies traded him and they got way better. And it's not even just him. And I think the same logic applies to the Pelicans. If they could, I think it's him and Brandon Ingroom. I think brand name is great. I think he's very good.

But I think both of them, it's the simple, you know, it's too easy to be like there's too many pots and too many, what's the phrase? Cooke's in the kitchen. That's how they are, which seems like a simpleton way to view it, but he really is in terms of the way they play. You said that Zion Wilson hasn't been as great this year. I think the big, obviously he was out of shape to start the year,

but the second biggest reason is that they aren't playing through him as much because last time when he was cooking last year, it's because Brandon Ingram was hurt for most of that time. His usage is just not as high as an ass to take as many shot attempts because they're choosing to go with depth over playing through him. And I think that's their biggest weakness. I think if you're going to have to make a Westman's finals push, you've got to have one guy that's really having the gravity to drive your team.

They need that. I think there's a case to be made that they're kind of, like, especially with Zion's injury stuff, I feel like they're kind of just letting him be chill in the regular season with, like, hopes that he's going to be more explosive and more big numbers, big guy Zion in the playoffs. Low managing your 25 real, it's crazy. But it, but come on, it totally makes sense.

And I Yeah, I just think I think that's very plausible And I also think that In a playoff setting That's when you go to offense like that Whereas when you're in a regular season You can afford more to just

Have like an egalitarian approach to your offense Anybody can get the ball I think it's more so they're trying to not be aligned with him I think the hierarchy will become more clear In a higher intensity environment I think it's an ideal I think you should have you should establish

what happens early I think it's hard to make that change Yeah maybe Maybe I think it depends on the matchup Like there's a couple of teams That I could see them beating Specifically because they match up really well

Yeah and that's fair That's always just especially having the The wing depth that they have for real Like that really can With the right team Fuck some shit up Yeah It's just it's our

I think if they were to do With some kind of trade I don't again hypothetically Who knows what becomes available at what point But if there was a way to swap out Brandon Ingram and Jonas for a big that fits better and then start Tray Murphy, I think that's the vision. What it seems to really work with Zion being obviously. I don't know. I think I want a better, I want a better second option than C.J. McCollum.

Okay. Well, how good, how good if you lean into point Zion, how good do you think like point Zion 100% of the time is going to be? because if that happens you have CJ and then you make the moves to get off of VI and Yonis and really really fill out the roster to to accent everything that Zion does well does not do well and you get all the perfect fits and you have the ammo if it's B.I. and Yonis to do that and to upgrade at the center position how do you think he do you still have faith that Zion could be like top 10 in the league if he runs point? the whole time because if you if you do and everything that that you say is like valid but if he's not

if you don't think that he can get there then i don't think it matters i think i don't think he's quite like an elite playmaker to the point where it's like you want him to fully be like your unquestioned facilitator which is why i would rather have brandon ingram who can also be a facilitator CJ McCollum who can also be a facilitator and just have that egalitarian approach to offense that the pelicans have had and then you know you can also just say Zion go dominate because all these guys are still capable outside shooters yeah you know you can you can also play that style I think it runs into a ceiling limiter in the same way that in past

versions of the Celtics we felt like it was a ceiling limiter of the fact that Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum don't complement with each other's games at all they don't take away from each other they can both exist but there's no elite two man game and there's no ability to compound their impact and be able to have like the true gravity having two stars I don't know how much I actually believe they can go to the I was just trying to put a take up yeah yeah I get I get it

but I just been in terms of I could see it though yeah I'm not even talking about that I don't I but in terms of this roster being worth keeping together the starting lineup I just don't know if the ceilings there to ever have an elite two man game with your two best players and I think that's like you have to find a way to do that hasn't come with each other if you're really going to I think I think they could develop that two-man game if Valanchunus got his big ass out of the pain

I really think if like if if the Pelicans had Miles Turner instead of Valenciunis like I think it'd be over if Zion got healthy miles Turner is a hall of famer in hypothetical situations like especially for the Pelicans like if you he fits on every team and makes every team a champion if if They can just figure out how to get a Miles Turner on the team. Here's what it is specifically, though. It's just that, like, if you have a non-shooting big,

you don't want a second non-shitting big. Yeah, Valenciunis technically shoots decent from three. He's at 35.6% this year, but he's taken 1.6 a game, aka nothing. Yeah. So he's just a non-factor as a three-point shooter. So it's just, I say Miles Turner because he is a center and he can shoot. And there's not actually that many true examples of that. Yeah, definitely not.

Listen, they've tried to bark down that tree many, many, many times. Paters don't want to trade him for the same reason. Everybody wants him. He's great to play next year stars and you want the type of player on your team. Hard to get those guys. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be Miles specifically. I don't know what the hell they're going to do. But if you can just, if you find that center, like I think getting Brooke Lopez was very pivotal to Yon.

100%. Like, and I think they need to get their Brooke Lopez to their Zion, you know? Exactly. And that's the problem. It's easier something done, but that's literally all they need. That would be perfect. I don't know. What's your next team, Donovan?

The Oklahoma City Thunder. Okay. Damn, I wish I had that one. You both can take off. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, you can get a take off. I think that.

I think that they should be on upset alert. And I think that they should be very, very careful. because I don't know why and I haven't been feeling this way this entire year I've been a big fan of everything that they're doing but over the last week and a half I've started to feel that if they played the Lakers in the first round they are like they might be in danger and I just it just listen that the idea of Anthony Davis being as great as he's been this year the level of defender that he was in the playoffs last year was like otherworldly how good. good he was locking down the paint. And if you're saying like, okay, LeBron, like, give me four

games, I, like, it could, it can happen. And I think that for a team that, I guess the only thing that I'm looking at them, and I'm just like, yeah, like they're young, you know, they're just going to face AD and LeBron. It can happen. But I don't know. The last week, I have no idea what's shifted, but by belief in the Lakers in a series against the Thunder has just skyrocketed. So, I get it. This is the one matchup that's bad for them, which is hilarious because the Lakers suck. And first of all, there's no chance of Lakers are getting the seven seed, so that's not happening.

This matchup isn't going to come to fruition. I mean, they might get to one. Yeah, if they get to one, sure. Dude, can I say this about the Lakers, dude? Like, Dilo is so much better than he was last year. LeBron is better than he was last year AD's like as good as he was last year around that

Austin Reeves is as good as he was last year a lot of the role players are as good as they were last year but they just have this dog shit head coach who has no idea what he's doing and it's otherwise I think the Lakers with how Dilo has played this year if that maintained even 80% in the postseason genuinely could be scary

but I genuinely I think the Darwin Ham factor will single-handedly fuck them in that series Yeah Also last year I think I always say this

because obviously we talked with Lickers at length you being a fan They just got the best version of that roster with the run last year 100% fucking awesome Reeves

had a 68% true shooting last year Nicole Yolk doesn't have that this year he was one of the most efficient scorers in the league to an absurd degree and the biggest difference

is they were getting good run at a Vanderbilt and making them an elite defense with Vando and AD and then everybody figured out oh this guy's like the worst offensive player in the fucking league and now they can't do it anymore

because one team didn't guard him and now everybody's like why were we doing that? That Vando AD defense was glorious when it lasted man and that's a big difference and the only reason they were good last year because they had a top tier defense

and a mid offense now they're mid and both because they need Vando to beat that elite defense but they are an atrocious offense if he plays because everybody is smart now and realizes you don't have the guard man I was really hoping that Rui would break out for the Lakers. Well, that's a

different ham issue, because his stupid ass wasn't playing him for months. That's the problem there. Yeah, that's fucking insane. Rui is consistently underplayed, like, throughout his entire career. He's been starting now. He's been good as of late. My take about OKCA, this isn't really count as a hot take, but, like,

they need to cut Josh Giddy fully out of that rotation if they want any, if they want any hope of actually making a deep playoff run, I don't care who it is you bring off of the bench. It just can't Josh Jeannie just can't play. And I would probably just primarily give it to Isaiah Joe.

Yeah. He's like, when you get that lineup out there and then you have to, the night and day difference between if they leave Josh Giddy open versus if they leaves Isaiah Joe open, like, that's going to open up your offense so much. I think that's got to be your most ideal lineup. If it's not him, you go Kaysen Wallace because he's like lights out from the corner. but I would go with Isaiah, especially he's a little bit bigger. It really sucks that Gordon Hayward has washed beyond belief

and looks like he shouldn't be on a team right now when he plays with them. Because I was praying that he was just putting up respectable numbers on the Hornets this season. He forgot about that shit. What? He got here and he forgot how to do that because he has been awful for the thunder. And I was praying he'd be really good so he could give them a reason to bench giddy, just like put in the other white boy that does the same things, but better. But he has been a corpse as of late since he got there.

Give him time, obviously, and being hyperbolic here. I could see him still having value. But I was just really praying that he would be great right away so that they can make that step you're describing. Yeah, I also just don't think they got the time to acclimate him to everything right now. Exactly. They just can't, like, get this, on this really young team,

like get this fucking old man to be like, hey, get your shit together, buddy. He's not going to pull it off in time. It's just not happening. He will not be in that playoff rotation. Yeah, sadly. Well, maybe. We'll see. There's 20 games left. Let's pray he can figure it out because I do not.

I hate watching Josh Giddy play. And it's so funny because people will be like, you liked them last year before the allegations. Yeah, because they were a mediocre team rebuilding and you were able to be like, okay, he's not good at these things now, but he'll develop into that. Now they're contender. I mean, I didn't, this is fucking shine. I didn't even believe in Josh Giddy to begin with. The aura got me.

The order got me. I believed in the passing and like the other stuff will come around. None of that shit came around and he is legitimately one of the worst rotation players he looks like he should be in a surf movie not in the NBA court like he's like you should be in a fucking prison anyways my next team is the Los Angeles Clippers and my hot take for the Clippers is I think James Harder might be better than Paul George we gave Paul George oh 100% okay cool we gave Paul George the all-star nod and I don't think that was I don't understand why Paul George was an all-star this year I was I didn't make a big fuss of it but I was like

there are there are a couple players in the West I think should have got in over PG this year. He became podcast, man. He has not been the same this year. And listen, his numbers are not too bad, but they're definitely down. But I don't know what the fuck it is.

Every Clippers game I watch, Paul George, is washed. Like, he has his terrible performance whenever I tune in. Bro, Clippers fans need him right now. They hate him. He had like a 35 point game like a couple of games ago when I

watched him, but other than that, it's just been like, I was like, wow, every time he's open, it doesn't go in. He's never creating offense. He's not locking up like he used to. And I saw someone posted the day on Twitter. They were like, when did Paul George, when is Paul George going to be 35 in a month? Or 34 in a month. It's 34, I think. It's like, damn, he was like the young up-and-coming player in my mind. Not anymore. I knew he wasn't that anymore, but I was like, fuck, I thought he was, I would have imagined he was like 31. I'm like, damn, he's like knocking on the door of washed. I can't believe that.

How you feel about Paul? That's terrifying. Listen, man, the, uh, the podcast has the podcast, great podcast, I, listen, the podcast, the podcast and his shoes have done, uh, they've just done numbers, I wore his shoes for years, they've done numbers for his reputation, um, because I, you got to talk about right now I'm still caught up on 2020 hitting the side of the backboard

like I'm still there when it comes when it comes to Paul George I forgot your PG hater I give him credit right for doing whatever he did in 21 how can you hate PG man he's so lovable see they got you with the propaganda too

he's so nice he's so nice he's a good looking guy he manicures his beard well yeah yeah and his podcast is good he seems nice on the podcast he's not like a jackass like a lot of other NBA player podcast outside of 2021 right you have you have 2014 where he pushes the heat to seven and then you have

2021 where he gets the clippers to the conference finals thanks to a generational taren's man game in that stretch and obviously there's the injury in that stretch what is paul george doing He's been a great second option for a while. Paul George had one season. He was like at the top top of the league that he, like he was top three in MVP voting, caused that his MVP season. He is out here getting first rounded, right? Him, Russ and Mello first rounded by rookie Donovan Mitchell.

I said it. I said it. I know. Say it again. Getting first rounded by rookie Donovan Mitchell. It was even in the rotation at that point. All of this stuff. I just think.

like I'm if you guys want to say that I'm fine can I can I be honest I just don't have that high of expectations for Paul George honestly I think I think the fact that Paul George was third and all-star all as MVP voting it was the closest he was ever going to get I don't think he was ever that caliber player and like missed out on that potential maybe theoretically he could have became that if the injury didn't happen but like I I and by the way he's been better since the injury but theoretically if the injury didn't happen plus he improved could have been even better but yeah I don't know I think Paul George was pretty consistently like the 12th best player in the NBA and he had was held and played to the standards of that tier of player I agree I'm like

I disagree in terms of in terms of in terms of in terms of playoff production and I think that the Paul George and the idea of Paul George of this very versatile two-way wing who can play off ball and fit very easily into any to any team like even in 2018 before he resigned or it was either before he resigned with the thunder or you know prior to the clipper stint there was like talk of him going to Philly and it's like, oh, like, you compare him with any superstar in the league and it's going to be great. And like the, again, I think the idea of Paul George has, I think that was kind of, he just didn't get the superstar. He did. He just didn't get the superstar. Did he? He got Kauai fresh off of the championship and then they go. And what do they do?

I guess that's true. Well, here's, here's my thing about that is that it's kind of like Jalen Brown and fucking Jason Tatum all over again, where it's like they don't complement each other's skill sets at all. Whereas I think if you got him next to a superstar who his skill set was complimentary it'd be a different conversation I do think Paul George was built to be a perfect second option He just never ran into the perfect environment for that

Oh no he did he didn't want it He so easily could have came to the Lakers of LeBron He was so close but he went back to play with Russ one more year in O'KC We could have had Paul George LeBron and AD But this fucking bozo chose Russell Westbrook That would have been a fucking red Ridiculous, dude. I'm a little sad.

I'm getting a little sad talking about this, though, like thinking about Paul George's career coming to an end because he was like, I think literally my first playoff series that wasn't a Bulls one was Indiana versus Miami. Like, that's my, Paul George is my childhood in a way. So this is a little sad to think he's a story. Like this, somehow he's the new generation go. And that's, that's why, that's obvious, dude.

I've opened up such a can't get upset about that. It's so obviously absurd. Like, it's so obvious, no one in their right mind thinks Paul George is the greatest player of all time. I think saying my goat is stupid. I think you should say the goat is whoever you think the best player of all time is. But, you know, whatever. New generation, you take the words differently.

Whatever. Do what you want. I'm not going to police your language. Yeah. You better not. Yeah. Paul George is fine. Leave Paul George alone.

No, I open up a big kind of worms I didn't mean to get into PG slander I just meant to say James Hardin isn't really good And Paul George is having a shooting slump And I think James Hardin is more valuable To his team this year But apparently is fuck Paul George forever Here we go

Well this kind of comes back to the like Just the value of playmaking Me personally I think a lot of it has been Yokic And how dominant he has been able to be Because of playmaking I think Stefan Curry's Dominance in the playmaking department

is something that is left out often because people just think playmaking equals passing. And that has, I think that is becoming increasingly a more important skill set. And yeah, I would give it to James Hardin just because he's obviously a much more prevalent playmaker than Paul George. I just think he fills the gap for that team and made them so dominant that they'd be better. Honestly, honestly, who's the better defender right now? Listen, we give a lot of cope. Paul George is not playing defense like he used to,

and James Hardin's playing the best defense of his career by far. Well, listen, one is way up here, one's way down here, when they both go in different directions, you still don't quite hit a middle ground. You're still, I think I'm still going towards Paul George, but good for him for trying. Right. We give guys about a lot of cope whenever they do something a little wall.

Yeah, Pat him on the back. Good job, man. Donovan, who's your next team? This is my last team. and we're going to talk about the Miami Heat. I feel like I've been very inconsistent about them, and I want to kind of clear that up right now. While I have had doubts all year about the Miami Heat,

I've also recognized the fact that, like, we talk all the time. They have the power of friendship, black magic voodoo, whatever you want to call it, that makes them turn up in the playoffs, Jimmy Butler turning into Prime Michael Jordan. There's two sides to this coin. I'm also starting to get very tired of it and I think that they are going to go out in the first round I don't I don't I don't I don't think we're going to get the

the deep heat run this year Jimmy is he had he had a very good game a couple couple of a couple games ago he was walking off the court he's like it's that time right just like very very knowing that it's like that time to turn up and since then the heat have gone four and five they um they still are not great offensively um and if they run into the calves or the bucks in the first round they could get they they could get first round it and i think that it's like i understand that they have the potential i don't think that they are are going to do it the more that i like think on it and sit on it i don't think they're they're going to they're going to do it interesting all right

Miami Heat fans, clip that shit. Whenever Jimmy turns into Michael Jordan again the first round and eliminates the Cavs and will to live, clip this shit, tweeted at Donovan. Let him know that he didn't believe in you. He counted you out. He counted out Jimmy Buckets. He counted out their bio.

I think he can happen. All of them. Let him know. It won't. You don't think it will. You know what happened. I don't think it will. Let him hear about it in three months.

Can I interject my logic here? I'm not going to say that they can't do it until I see them not do it. Same. I'm scared. Obviously, obviously they didn't do it in that year they got fucking stomped on by the bucks. But three conference

finals appearances otherwise out of the last four years, regardless of how good they were in the regular season, didn't matter at all. I'm just not going to say shit until it's like confirmed. I'll say this. I will say this. I will say this. I would like to see it. I want to see them and Boston in the conference finals i personally want that i do not i do not

yeah think it's going to happen here's what here's what i'm i'm trying not to be the lebrons 34 this fuckery will be over soon guy exactly that's how i feel about the miami heat like i'm just not i'm not going to fall on that sword i'm done falling on takes about predictions i'm not good at it and i'm just not going to be the one to say they're going to fall off until they are i'm just I'm scared of the heat mafia and the fact that they, I'm, no, I'm done pretending they operate on the same level of existence as us. They are ethereal. They have a certain force about them that defies laws of man. Yeah, y'all got it. What's the next team? Because we're not standing on anything here. All right. I got the, I got the Nix, which is my last one. Okay. Okay. Last

one overall. Honestly, my, this is not really a take. I just, basically, like, I think they are the complete wild card and could go anyway because they obviously had that excellent stretch after they traded for OG and you know I was kind of like teetering on the line of like you know I kind of the Becky Hammond thing of just like Jalen Brunson lead option not going to work Julius Randall that's all you have to say Julius Randall but you know you know fair right But then injuries happen, and they've been dealing with that, and they haven't been the same sense, and they've been falling in the standings as a result of that. Do they put it together right before the playoffs start? Yes or no? Do they figure it out in the series? It depends on the matchup. I feel like they could figure it out throughout a series, but you don't want to do that against the top dog, so it also depends on what your seating is. You know, like, I think if they get an easy first round matchup, they will do very well in that second round and could theoretically make a conference finals.

But I think if they stumble their way into the playoffs and they don't get an easy opponent, they will lose that series. Yeah, I think they're going to beat the living fuck at the magic in the four or five matchup to start the playoffs. Yeah, if they get the magic, the Knicks are going to the second round. Yeah. And if that's the case, they'd probably play the Celtics second rounds. That would be less exciting as a Knicks fan, I'm sure. Yeah, if they get the Celtics, then you're not making the conference finals.

Donovan, no, let's give the Knicks fan. I was Ozzy and Nobi's back? How are you feeling? I'm kind of hoping we get a 1-8. Sorry, this is unrelated, but I'm kind of hoping we get a 1-8 Celtics heat matchup. That would be fun. That would be interesting.

Like last year? Okay. I can see that. How are you feeling about the heat right now? Oji's back. Things are hopefully getting back on track. What's your bud? Well, I texted Mo because OG, OG made his return last week.

I texted Mo and I was like, listen, sorry. OJ. Inobie is now the number one African man in my life. Like he is, he's amazing. I'm so happy that he's back. And like Josh Hart has been going crazy. He's getting all these triple doubles. He had nearly 2020 and 10 the other night.

But OG comes in and you just see everything else just open up. And you see him being able. to take on these defensive assignments. You see life for J. LeBrunsen has been absolute hell for this, for this last stretch. And O.G. comes in and he just, he just fits perfectly with what the Knicks want to do with how Tibbs, what's an S-tier role player, for sure, as good as, as good as it gets. Exactly. And like, they have, there was, there was a lot of talk. People would say, like, oh, the Knicks are like 12 and 21 against teams that are over 500.

That included the whole season. But if you looked at it whenever they had OJ and Inobie, it was a winning record, right? He makes them a completely different team. And so if he's there and Randall's there, they 100% can make the competition. You know how I feel about them? I feel the same way about them going into the playoffs right now that I felt about the Lakers going into the playoffs last year. Okay. Similar circumstances.

like big traded line looked really good at the traded line injuries what are what are they going to look like we'll have to wait and see hopefully they get a decently easy first round matchup and then yeah and then we'll go from there i think that they already play a they buried you know playoff style of basketball last year in the second round yeah very physical last last year in the second round nobody wanted to help jela brunton out with the shooting the way that dante divenzo is shooting. He's lights out. Precious has been awesome, right?

I didn't realize that Dante would be such a big attention. I didn't know. I didn't realize either. I didn't realize either. But that is the real case of like the power of friendship. We just get all these guys who go to college together and played on, played on the national championship team. And it's like, oh, yeah.

I think it's just the power. I think it's just the power of three points. Yeah. Sure. But now, they're, yeah. I agree with everything. you're saying? Yeah.

Is Dante, though? Dante's low-key one of the bigger surprises of the season that nobody talks about in terms of the expectations coming into the year? Honestly. Loki one of the underrated players in the league right now. He was born to be a Nick. He's got orange hair and shit. There you go.

Nice connection. Yeah, is that it? That's all the hot takes we got. All right. They have a few more teams that I just don't feel like talking about. So if you didn't hear your team talked about, it's probably my fault. Get with it. My bad.

It's okay. Before we do win the show, though. I had one idea. Have y'all seen Dune 2 yet? I have not seen Dune 2. Yes. I've seen Dune. Are you obsessed with it?

I've been fucking obsessed to the 10th of you. I'm a nerd about filmmaking, so I'm obsessed with it from that perspective. Nice. I'm especially like really weirdly interested in like how efficiently movies are budgeted. Like my favorite movie of all time, one of my favorite facts to drop about it is that it's a $3 million budget movie that made 50 mil. Like I just love things like that and like there's a lot of discourse about what movies that film budgets being absurd whiplash. I love whiplash so much. Yeah, yeah, it's my favorite. There's so much discourse about like crazy expensive movies looking like dog shit and then you get

Dune like the first Dune had a really tight budget for what it is. This one had a little bit more room to work with because the first Dune was successful. But at the end of the day, still a super tight budget for as much CG as they're doing for as how crazy stacked of a cast they have because they have to pay all of their salaries and it still ends up being visually the best looking

sci-fi movies that exist. Dune 1 and Dune 2 are better looking sci-fi movies than anything else that existed before it. No question for me. He's in his bag right now. Shout out their DP. Yeah. And it's acted excellent. The themes are interesting. Love nothing.

more than a he's literally me but he's secretly a villain protagonist Zendaya's attractive win win win had a spirigal in there did I mention she's fine did I mention she that's funny

I've also been obsessed with it I've been watching a million to talks about it I feel like I know everything that happens in all six books now because I've been so in the weeds online I'm like oh how are they going to cast a letto the second I'm just so into the weeds now but to reel it back into the NBA I think we should make a little TikTok

out of this and I think we should cast every character from Dune as NBA players I think that could be interesting How is this going to work? Are we just going like Each character No please please respond to these allegations You were caught being thirsty on the timeline In 2020 October 4th Jacob tweeted

At Zendaya follow back What time? What time? 20 Jesus Chris What time? This was 207 a Which, this is West Coast time. This was really like 5 a.m. for Jacob. I didn't have a lot going on when I was 20. It was in the middle of quarantine.

I definitely have a couple of Zendaya tweets if you're really going to go digging. I remember some crazy tweets of yours. We can get way deeper into this hold in this. Let's just do the recast. Back to Dune. We're going to go through every character. And I think we should cast them. You can do looks if you like.

I'm thinking more like which personality you are a role in the league would really embody this character. You take it wherever you'd like. I'm going to go with looks personally. There you go. So real simple. Let's cast every character from Dune if there are NBA players. Who is Paul? It's got to be Josh Giddy.

They literally were saying that he was Timothy Shalomey. the NBA. Like, who else would you pick? Who else looks anything like Paul? Listen, you have to go. Okay, well, who's a hero, like secretly a villain? It does, it doesn't matter. I don't, I don't know. I have to go with Jake. It's, it's, it's, it's just, you have to get the pale white guy we're currently here. Like, it's, it's just, secretly a villain? Let's go. Yeah, right, right, right. You're not supposed to move football. There we go. All right. Who's Duncan, Idaho. I'm, who's Jason Momoa. I'm going with him. Stephen Adams, Stephen Adams, Stephen Adams, easily. answer i understand we don't got to me too much deeper it's yeah safe that's his

who would play awesome butler's character who's fade ratha oh alice caruso because he's bald the shawd but the bald whitehead he's not insane enough though it's got me someone i don't i don't know the nassus i don't know that's disrespectful that's disrespectful that's disrespectful Listen, we're going to do some serious recasting. That is what we're going to do. Jokim Noah? Are we doing historic play? Yeah, let's go all the time.

Jokkeem Noah, just on demon time all the time. Bride our chest? We're just naming ghosts. Dennis Rodman's an easy answer. Yeah. Let's go Dennis Rodman. Say, who are your favorite gooms in NBA history? Tell me right now.

I think let's go Dennis for him. Who would play Leto? Who would play Paul's dad? Listen, that's Kevin Love if I've ever seen. James Harden is the only one who has the beard. Did you say Kevin Love? Yeah. Yeah.

I don't think there's anyone in the league that looks like Oscar Isaac. Let's go LeBron. Get the old wise king in there. Do you see the way LeBron teach? I guess that works. Dad, are you guys not wise? He cannot play that way. Who else has that?

Tim Duncan? Maybe. He's like a lowly statesman who has to unfortunately fall on a sword. So he, it's got to be someone who's sacrificial. And, you know, Tim Duncan seems like, Tim Duncan seems like the kind of teammate who would like,

you know, sacrifice himself for his teammates. Listen, apparently this year, that just fits Jason Tatum's description. Jason Tatum is taking, and a step back for the good of the team. That's what he wants us to believe. That's what he wants us to do.

When did the Boston media machine fucking corrupt you? Wouldn't this become a ringer podcast? Okay, who are we going to do? Who's Zendaya's character? Kelly Ubre. Is that purely aesthetic? Just another beautiful

light skin queen. He's one step away from calling. her a new being queen and i need you to do that no that's crazy i would never i would never sunda listen he's pulling up to doom to doom three and kentay cloth and being like listen my sister's in this movie i got to watch i got a supporter looks like nancy belosi taking a knee this is so good we've just been attacking Jacob's white

in his own podcast he's not used to it I get it go for it it's easy right who would play this fucking

what the fuck what the fuck there it was there it is there it is I can't breathe All right, but who we played Gary? Oh, man, who's, I want to know who's the Baron.

Yeah, who's, who's Baron Harkening? Oh, man. Zion. Oh, my God. Who is that? I think, I think, I think, Nicola Yokic. I think Nicola Yokic is a good one. Yeah, he's got to have that, that voice is such, that aura of just, kill the boy.

He's seen, he's got like a Eastern European fear. vibe to him that I feel like Yokic could pull off Who is it? What's that guy's name? Can you get Yokoa Petrovich? Can you get Yokech's brother? If you can get that, I think that would think

that's not an NBA player. Listen, who's the guy to play with Kevin Love? I think Nicola Peckovich. That's a good baron. Yeah, that's a great baron. Real European shit.

Yeah. Okay, who's the other major character? Who's Lady Jessica? Who's going to be this manipulative lady? Chris Paul Nick Young Chris Paul I was going to say Nick Young

No it's got to be Chris Paul No Chris Paul is right Chris Paul is totally the Benegeserate Yeah Polish Springs Who's left Who's Dave Batista's character Who's Dave Batista's character?

Who's just some muscle? Carlos Boozer Oh, I like that He's only a character who trade is yell Who's just a screamer? It's all he brings his muscle and screaming Yeah, I mean he does yell on the movie

A couple of times So he's got the yelling that Carlos Boozer has I think it I think that works Was Carlos Boozer yelling? There you go man Yeah, he got Do you not know that clip of him punching that ref in the dick No, I've never seen that

Dude, one time He got an Ann one and he He was like celebrating. He threw a fist and he came him right in the groin. I thought you meant like intentionally. Like he just fired off on the radio. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, he was definitely a yeller.

I remember listening to him anytime he'd get an offensive rebound, you could hear him scream in the microphone of the basket. That's funny. All right. Well, that's the end of the casting. Guys, I think I say in the episode. I think I'm going to push you guys back to next week and get Mo back in here for TikTok time

Jacob appreciate you coming on again gotta get you on like a once a yearly every season appearance appreciate you, man yep welcome to TikTok time welcome back to TikTok time as always we're going to start with a draft

today we're going to do an NBA draft making a lineup of only NBA players who are rookies this year so real simple you know Wemianama, Chet, and had a whole bunch of other guys. Should be fun. But Jets's not a real rookie.

Shut up. I know there's going to be comments like that. I hope we're past that discourse. Same. The draft order is Donovan, me, Mo. Sorry, Mo, you automatically lost. I'm cooked. You're cooked.

You're cooked. But we go make it work. If you win, it'll be quite defeat. I'll say that. Yeah. Let's see what I got. So real simple. You guys know how it goes by now.

Let's try FNBA lineups with only rookies. Donovan, who is the first pick? Obviously, listen, it's the rookie of the year. It's the future goat. Give me Victor Wet Bananas. He ain't none against my team. Let's move. Who you got?

This was a hard decision to me. This was a hard decision for making the second pick. I weighed a lot of options. I'm going with Chad Holmgren. Okay. I like that. I like that. And any other year, he would be the rookie of the year.

So, how many hamejakis is looking at me in my soul. I had to deny him. It's okay. Hamihakis, congratulations. You have been drafted by Mo. And along with that, go ahead and give me Brandon Miller. So my four, Jaime Hawkes and my five, Brandon Miller. Love to see it.

Okay. Now, I'm going to go big. I already got the Chet presence. I'm looking at the four. Give me Derek lively at the five. Oh, fucked out. Now, that is what cooked to me. Okay.

Okay, that's good. Got sides, it got spacing, starting well. All right. I have, I won't be at the five. Give me, you know, give me some defense on the wing, right? Give me a Sarre Thompson at the three. Okay. And give me a scoring punch.

Listen, I just saw this guy the other day. He's gonna be really freaking good. Give me Ken Whitmore. Fuck, I was literally about to pick him next. Okay, that's nice. That's nice. One of the worst left on the rookies of this class I can't believe he fell out of the lottery

It's freaking crazy still We'll put him Who do the Lakers draft ahead of him? Jalen Hitchafino Damn Who hasn't played yet? Maybe he'll be nice to We'll see I got bad news for you

And my point guard Give me pods Okay I like that One of the most effective rookies off the rip Yep Glorified Steph Munch Love to see it

man as a fan exactly you need something like him guarding you need him defending Chet's legacy bro I love to see it damn I can't believe

you took took away Derek Liley from me like that was my plan was perfect but I needed to double down with the wing so at my two

give me the best shooter in this draft Jordan Hawkins okay Hawkins is the two Brandon Miller with the three and then ooh

this is tough now this is tough and then one in your five shit this is tough bro you know what I don't need a center at my five

go ahead and give me Gigi Jackson I'm straight buckets versatility yep give me Gigi Jackson my five bro you play oh your team is trashed who am I supposed to pick

Mo Gay that he's the next best center in this thing bro who else listen there's somebody you could I'm not going to tell you now. You already sold it. Which way do I want to go with this? I got my two and my three.

You know what? I'm not going to let Donovan double up on the Thompson twins. Give me a man at my shooting guard. Ah. You caught me. You caught me. Yeah, I see the plan. I see you lurking in the gilly suit.

You saw it. Fuck out of here. Okay. Let's finish this off. You know what? Let's move everybody up. Let's move everybody up. We're going to put a stuff.

sorry at the four. We're going to put Ken Whitmore at the three. I don't care how rough of an offensive season he's had. I want this athleticism on my team. Give me Scoot Henderson at the point guard position. Okay. And then locked up my pods. And then at the two, give me case and Wallace. Oh, you stole my pick. I was going to make a God squad. Give me Casey Wallace. Donovan, you cooked in this bitch. I'm not going to lie to you. Uh, dang, I need to that. I had to beat the allegations. I had to do it one time. Listen, yeah.

It's hard to fumble having Victor Women Yama and luckily you didn't. Which way I want to go? Does you know what? Give me somebody who's in playing a lot better as of late. I need some spacing. Give me Grady Dick. Oh, okay. He's finally putting it together. Looks like an NBA player. Shooter.

Love to see you. Okay. Big fan of Grady Dick. Go ahead and give me... What do you mean? What do you mean? but I know. So for my point, go ahead and give me. Oh, I don't. Go ahead and give me Kianti George.

I got a nice, there you go. Lengthy. I don't have no real length. Never mind. Y'all got chitin Wembley. What do you want me to do when you stole Derek lively? Your power four is a six, seven wingspan. Yeah.

that's hilarious I don't know Gigi Jackson at the 5 is crazy You could have picked Trace Jackson Davis Oh my goodness I forget that he hasn't been playing that much And I forgot he even existed Dammit Steve Curry you ruined me

Now if you would have got a man over school You would have had the perfect team for you No, but fire I needed that I was really hope I could case in Wallace I was hoping people forgot about him Damn damn So my team is Brandon Pajemski

Amen Thompson, Grady Dick, Ched Holmgren, Derek Lively. Tough, bro. Cool. I have Scoot Henderson, Kays & Wallace, Cam Whitmore, Assar Thompson,

and Wembe. Donovan, you've been in a fucking heater. You might have the best team. I got Kiante George, Jordan Hawkins, Brandon Miller, Jaime Hawkes,

and Gigi Jackson. I got buckets. You got this. You won. I got buckets. Mo finally wins a draft. You know why? You know how I'm going to win this draft?

I'm committing assault. He's not going to be ready in them tunnels. Ted Hongram, count your days. Never mind. There's a joke there. Anyways, that's the end of that draft. You guys let us know who won, as always. Next thing we're going to do,

we're going to do something we did last week. We're going to do real or fake. You know, last week we did NBA nicknames. It was hilarious. One of the funniest things we've done a long time. This time we're going to do real or fake with NBA trivia facts. So real simple, I'm gonna let you know a fun fact, interesting fact, little known fact, whatever you may be.

And you let me know if you think it's real or fake, because some of them are just made up. Last time, Donovan, you got your ass kicked. But when it comes to NBA facts, I ain't gonna lie, you are a real historian. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a try, but listen, Isaac was coming up with some amazing fake nicknames. I have no idea if his cabin skills are amazing when it comes to these facts. So let's see what's going down. Carry me. Was it some of my best work?

Prepare to go one for seven. What was the soup name again too? What was like? The soup chef for Kevin Durant? Fuck is that, bro. I don't know. Yeah. Sometimes you're going to recognize

that some of these nicknames are ridiculous so you got to pull some random shit out. Yeah. All right. So real simple. Are these NBA facts real or fake? First off, Ray Allen's first name is Walter.

Walter. Walter. I feel like that's real I'm gonna go fake I think I might be split with you in this one Donovan I might say real yeah I can't tell me what I can't I can't see anything

I can't see anything other than Ray being his name Ray is too cool though Ray is not Ray listen if it's not Ray this is Jesus Shuttle's word I don't know the other name his name is the Ray or Jesus either one it's not Ray or Jesus I'll tell you that Well, I can confirm that Donovan is starting

Oh and one again. His name is Walter. This is real. Walter, I don't know what it is, but, bro, that just, Ray is too cool to be your first name like that. We all see behind it. I thought it was like Raymond or something. Yeah.

He could be a Raymond. I can see that. This is a Wardell situation. Just some reason picked a different name. Hmm. All right. Next up. Dennis Rodman.

has a pet zebra named Frankie. He's a weirdo. He's a weirdo. I'll believe anything. Pet zebra is kind of crazy, though. Listen, who knows the bounds of Dennis Robbins of centricism? I understand. I'm going to go fake.

I think this is fake. I know Mike Tyson had a tiger and all that. I don't think they were letting zebras into Chicago like that. They were kind of, they're, it's the zoo in that sense. It's the zoo in that sense, exactly. These zebras aren't. Is he? They're not, you know, a loss frets.

They're not doing that. Bro, I believe anything when he comes to Dennis Robin. Is he homies with Kim Jong-un? I'll believe it. Yeah. That's his man. So, look. It's crazy.

They're like this. This is real. I'm going to fake. A point for Donovan. This is fake. Wow. We made it. This is a great assumption.

This is a great assumption on my end. I pulled that shit out of nowhere, It very much could be real and I wouldn't be shocked. All right, next up. Lance Stevenson has a brother named Lance Stevenson and is spelled L-A-N-T-Z. I'm not putting anything past his family if all of them are as crazy as he is.

This is real. This is real. He from New York to I've been around New Yorkers for the last seven, eight months. This might be real. Let's do it. I've met a few lances.

Exactly. L-A-N-T-Z is crazy. hell. A plethora of Lance. Lance. Lance eye. This is correct. There is two lances in that family. That's crazy. Yeah. This family's crazy. Yeah. He better be he better know how to hoop too just like his older brother or younger brother. How would they differentiate? Are they calling one Lance one L? Like calm TZ. That's hard. That's hard. This is dumb. All right, next up Jason Tatum has more points

in the conference finals than the entire Clippers organization in their whole history Okay, so they have How many times They have one series They have one series In the conference finals

They've been one time And there was a six game series Jason Tatum So okay, let's just Do math Yeah, yeah So if it's a six game series Let's say that they're scoring

120 every game that's what is that six times so that's seven hundred and 20 points has jason tatum done that in four trips to the finals or to the conference finals feel like it's close he's had about 20 games and if he's at 25 bring out the calculator i think the clippers are going to get him just by hair so i'm going to say that this is fake. I'm right behind you, Donovan. This is fake. Y'all put too much faith in the Los Angeles Clippers. This is real. They are a poverty franchise. This is why we make fun of them, right? Like, this is the basis of all the hate, of all the jokes. Wow. This is sick. This is sick, man. Jason Tatum owning, Jason Tatum having more total points than your team in the conference finals, only the Clippers.

Maybe the Brooklyn Nets could do something like that. couldn't be my favorite team could never what's the exact number I don't know this is ridiculous not not to go look at the clippers and see what they scored it can't be crazy it can be this is ridiculous yeah right next one Rudy gobert has the most double doubles this season I mean he's double doubles he has been hooping yeah offensively he's made it a point to go ahead and get some bunkins and dunk on someone's head when need did for sure but is he the most in the NBA you tell me yokech is a threat who also's been hella healthy as well yokech has he had more double doubles than yokech yokech is probably

i don't think yokech averages 10 assists though probably he doesn't average tennis but there's right he probably doesn't average tennis but there's probably more games where he has 10 assists even if he doesn't have like 10 rebounds or something like that to where he can he has multiple ways that he can get a double double. Oh, versatility. Give me, give me. Yeah, I want to say Rudy.

I want to say I'm leading with Rudy. He does. You know what? I'm going to join you. I'm going to say this is real. Faith and Rudy. Incorrect. This is fake.

De Montesabonis has the most. That guy's a merchant. I don't like him. So bonus? I don't know. Oh my gosh. He's a fraud. Some sort.

Damn. So I didn't put my finger on it yet, I see you. There's something suspicious going on here. I know you're a game to Monis. You can't trick me this year. Damn. All right, next one.

Tracy McGrady was married to Mariah Carey for 62 days. I think this is why he looked like that in that picture. I think this is real. He was happy because he married Mariah Carey. This was taken after the reception. I'm going to say this is real. Oh my gosh. You think this is real for 62 days?

Listen, man, celebrities are crazy. Right? Chris, Chris Humphrey and Kim, they were made for 72 days. We've seen stuff like this before. That is true. I'm going to go ahead and say this is fake. I'm going real. I don't even know if Tracy McGrady knows Mariah Carey.

This is fake as hell. He knows. Yeah, this is a meaningful. Trust me. Tracy McGrady is like 40-some years old. He knows her. Okay. I'm not going to say that's hilarious.

I know. I know he knows. You know. That's hilarious. All right, next one. Hakeem shot 42% from three in his MVP season. 42% is crazy, but. Ridiculous.

Unlike one attempt or two attempts for game. What if he was like three for seven for the year? And this is like 42.9%. Unlike 0.8 attempts. Yeah. this is believable I'm gonna say this is real I'm gonna say he just let's do the outlier year this is real I this is very believable mm you guys went out with a bang this is real here we go and y'all are trying to hear we go here we go he can't

play in this era he's a floor space of respect him as such all right that's the end of that segment that's hilarious I love I love this really fake stuff That was great. Next thing we're going to do, we are going to play a game in which I have five categories of players that I'm going to read out loud and you, this is a viral TikTok thing, I'm sure you guys have seen. So I'm going to say something like NBA players who won Ricky the Year and you're going to have to say a player out loud, I'm going to say 3 to 1, you say the name and you

want to try to make sure you don't say the name that I say. And I have it on my iPad, so I'm going to turn around and show people the picture. So we're so you guys, basically the whole point is you try to try to make sure. try to guess what I'm not going to say okay bet yeah for people at home if you haven't seen this before yeah five categories you play along with us right one by one see how long you can last see if you can last longer than them without me getting you i'm ready since yeah ready to win bet so i'm gonna say these NBA player categories i want you guys to say a player without saying the same name as me first of all this uh name an NBA rookie okay pods

Well, I got to say three, two, one. You have to count down. Oh, shit. Gotcha. Yeah. Let's look at you guys a second to be ready. Three, two, one. Count to George.

Pods. I saw her, Thompson. We're safe. We're safe. I was terrified because you drafted him. You lived to find another round. Okay. At least you didn't go out the first time.

That would have been embarrassing. Name an NBA coach. Okay. You guys ready? Yeah. think long and hard wait uh three two one nick nurse uh it's Quinn Snyder there you go Ty Lou yeah still in it still in it get by again okay I was really nervous for Nick Nurse too

Nick Nurse yeah I know it I know you I know you name name an elite three-point shooter elite three-point shooter mm-hmm okay Got it. Three, two, one. Seth Curry. Malik Beasley. What did you say, Donovan? Seth Curry.

Ooh, buddy healed. Damn, okay. Owls and that brings. Thank God. You're getting there. Two more categories. You might win. I'm still alive.

Name a former defensive player of the year. A D.P.O.Y player. Hmm. Okay. Okay. Active, I mean, my bad. Yeah, that changes you. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. Name it, I'll make me free that. Name an active, name an active NBA player that has won DPOI. Okay. Dun, dun, dun, three, two, one. Kawai. Janis. Oh, where my screenshot go.

Oops. Dremont Green. Thank God I almost picked Dre. Fuck, man. Oh, my gosh. Whoa. I'm surviving with the skin of my teeth. I thought I would have got you for that one I thought I thought I was too obvious I think you're going to say it you were so close

One more category can you survive I'm sweating 2010s finals MVP 2010 so from a 2010s champion Okay, something to each other each I think okay Three two one Tony Park Andre Eagle dollar Oh I got most stupid ass it's Andreigandah I messed up anyways you said Tony Parker you both lost you know you know you both folded in the last second but I was thinking who you did not pick so I'm gonna take this as a win

either way I didn't say the name you said you should be disqualified I'm the fucking champion in this bitch nobody won I listen people comment if you want because you guys play along with us but you probably did better than them no they were probably out after Dremont Green, let's be real. Andre Goddala was the ultimate trick answer. Yeah, for sure. I knew you're going to get me with that one. I almost went LeBron James.

I was like, that's too easy. Like, no one was going to pick LeBron. O'Brien James. All right, next thing we're going to do, I guess the slides just a pull up of NBA teams. And, you know, in the past, we've had you guys guess players based on their colleges,

based on the 2K rating, stuff like that. This time you're going to guess the NBA team based on some random stats I pulled. They're all going to be different. You're going to have to grasp of straws and figure out which teams you're looking at. Oh my gosh. We might be in hell. You're going to be cooked. You might be cooked.

It's not terribly hard. I didn't pick like fucking turnovers for everybody, so it's like impossible. But you know, it's a bit all over the place. All right. Let's get into it. Let's see what we're doing. Guess the NBA team based off these random stats. First off, who is this team?

Point guard 40% from three. Shooting guard averaging just under 10 points. Small Ford, one-time All-Star, Power 4, 29% from 3, and Center is a one-time defensive player of the year. See, this almost made me be like, oh, 29% from 3, shooting guard just under 10 points, point guard, 40% from 3. This has the New Orleans Pelicans written all over it. But is the Yon is DPOI?

Exactly. Yeah, that DPOI is staring at me. There's one team that, wait, is it one team? Yeah, there's one team that has, well, actually, no. Now, now I'm rethinking it. Now I'm rethinking it. Because originally, I was thinking the Golden State Warriors. And I was, but could this.

Andrew Wiggins, this is a one-time all-star, but Dremont Green is, he's hitting them, hells. You're right. That's what I was thinking, but could this be, wait, wait, okay, the 40% for three. Ramon is a center. It's all this year. Okay. Okay. It's all this year.

I mean, think about who is, think, yeah, think about who is a DPOI at the center position. Gotcha. It's really just Draymond at this point and Rudy Gobert. Dremont, Rudy O'Barre, Jaron Jackson, Jr., too. But no one was an all-star. The All-Star wasn't from like this year, right? or it was from this year. It's not from this year.

It doesn't have to be just one time in their career. Yeah, no one is there. No one there is an All-Star other than Jha. Vince Williams Jr. All-Star? Yeah, no. Exactly.

Vince, I'll let you go. I think we should go. I think they're going to say Warriors. And bet that that's great. You think Kaminga's shooting 29% from three? He might be. I wouldn't doubt it from anybody. He is.

This is the Golden State Warriors. Locked in. There we go. Come on. Yep. Come on. Yep. Camina is 29% from 3.

He's been better as of late, but that's the one I thought would mess you up because the Dremont playing center now. Yeah, I caught on to that quick, though. We're here. We are here. We're locked in. Listen, this is the easiest one, in my opinion.

Next team. Who is this team? Oh, my gosh. Straight shooters. Straight shooters for show. I want to say this is OKC, but Josh Giddy, he shoots a lot better from 3 than 32%. He's like 38 or something like that or 37. 45 is crazy as fuck it is it is okay but if we're talking about a team where everybody is a good shooter

we should go to to a team that shoots the best from three this might be the Boston Celtics this is not the Boston Celtics incorrect what not the Celtics Jalen Brown yeah you're right Jim Brown's not shooting that well from the I don't think so he's like 34% but damn that's a good guess I need to see the ball with the with the with the yeah the 40% could be fake as hell Could this be everybody stripping the Los Angeles clippers? Hmm no it's not if he's a zoo box is not pulling 40% from three I can tell you that Okay if he did they'd never lose a game Damn, okay I'm gonna guess is this the Oklahoma City thunder this is mo over thought it

You get no points. Donovan gets the point. Woo! Who's soon 32% from three? Giddy is that way? Josh Giddy, obviously. Wow. I haven't checked his stats in like a month.

Damn, Josh Giddy. That's crazy. All it took is a month? Brick. That's crazy. We knew that. All right, next team. Who is this team?

All right, so the only one who could pass is the point guard. Okay, so point guard, eight assists, two guard. one point eight assists three three point five assists damn power four three point seven assists in the center I'll be impressed if I'll get this one quick okay cool so who are some of the better quote unquote playmaking guards in the league I'm trying to think okay question question do we think how good of passers do we think Kauai and Paul George are are they above 3.7 to 3.5 I haven't I've been I've been check this that's in a minute because I could see

this being James Harden. This is the Los Angeles Clippers. Damn, you got on the first guess. This is the Los Angeles Clippers. Yeah, this is the Clippers for sure. We're here to play. I thought this is the one I was going to get y'all. We're here to play.

No, this is the Clippers for sure. Yeah. 1.4 stood out like a motherfucker. Damn, good job. Zubotching. Next team. Nor Terrence, man. Yeah.

Who is this team? 18 points per game 20 points or 20 field goal attempts from the two chucker from the three seven three point attempts the four 10 rebounds a game in the center zero percent from three holy fuck you're doing this is 2002 still just a straight knowledge shooter 10 rebounds from the four is glaring though I'm not going to lie to you it is very glaring would that make it too easy getting up 20 field goal attempts. Damn, who could this Who could this? It's a lot of fucking shots.

Is this? It's a lot of shots. So I'm thinking like it can't be a team like the Phoenix Suns. Why not though? Because Yusuf Nerkich is not shooting zero percent from three.

He's just not. And also who's getting 10 rebounds a game? You right. Just can't be them. KD's fucking snagging. You're right. Yeah, nah.

Okay. Roy Sunil is coming in the game. It can't be the Milwaukee Bucks. Oh, is this? I got it. This is the Cleveland Cavaliers. Damn it. This is the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Jared. There we go. Evan Mowley's getting 10 rebounds a game. Yep. He's finding some way to be valuable if you can't shoot. Yeah. Wow. Look at Max.

Snagger. To get them holes up. Love to see it. And Jared Allen. Tighten up. What the hell? Shoot a three, coward. I think it's Ben Simmons.

Yeah. All right. That's the end of that segment. The next thing we're going to do, we're going to play the imposter game. I don't know if you all have seen. It's been all over TikTok. Full Squad gamings are doing this a lot.

So shout out to them. Straight still on their idea. You know how it goes. Media landscape is a motherfucker How this works is. How this works is just three of us, right? Two of us are going to know an NBA player.

The same one. You guys will see it on screen. And the third person doesn't know it. and Nikiel is in the text of the two of us so we'll find out who's the imposter but none of us will know besides the player who is the imposter right and the way it's going to work is we're going to take turns

saying a hint about the player so if the player was Max Drews we would be like can shoot 6-5 something like that to make it clear that we know who the player is and we're not the imposter and the guy who is the imposter has to bullshit and try to you know not be found out I am a terrible liar

but I'm ready to rock let me know what all the text are sent out when everybody knows yeah this should be fun this game is definitely an interesting one very different of what we usually do so I'm excited to see how it goes okay

but producers McKeel's what do you do are you ready? There we go we're ready yeah cool I got the thumbs up from the kill two of us know the NBA mister I can't talk two of us know the mystery NBA player

and one of us is the imposter. We got to figure out who it is. Mo, you can go first. Go Mo, Donovan, and me, cycle of saying the hints. Nice. Black. Eastern Conference. First round draft pick.

Tall. I can't believe you started with black. Good debate. Who hasn't said that? Shot Blocker. Athletic. Okay, Mo has no idea who this is

I'm not wrong What the what I'm not wrong That's okay Okay Not a shooter Not either On a playoff team Shooting sleeve

Shooting sleeve Do you think Moe knows who we're talking about Donovan I don't know well we'll see we'll see y'all you can inspire you can make a mistake if you want you said all-star yeah all-star mm-versible hmm playmaker moe doesn't know who this player is what I'm not wrong well we've got not wrong to keep you on oh we at he's If he's versatile, what he's supposed to mean? What they're supposed to mean? All right.

Let's see. Max contract. Ooh, shit. I'm running out, I'm running out of words to describe somebody. Oh, shit. Normal haircut. Normal haircut. What's a normal haircut?

Describe it. Nothing, nothing that's like extravagant, you know? Nothing that you would be notable. So it's not like an Alex Caruso type. You know, we had that debate. Nothing notable. Okay. Uh.

Max contract, Eastern Conference, went to the finals. Hmm. Okay. Uh, that's... Are ready to vote? You guys want to try to get to the bottom of this? Donovan, I think I got it. Yeah.

And I might be looking you at the eyes to tell you that Isaac is the impostor. Why me? because I hate you I think Mo's your boss Mo said a lot of vague shit that happened to be right he said black

that's so easy I mean that's the first guess in fairness that is the first guess it's logical and it is I do think Mo

you kind of expose yourself for playmaker yeah that's the one where like you can say it but it's kind of a stretch I'm voting Mo I'm voting Mo

sat to say But y'all are wrong. This is Bama or Bayo. I know who this is. I was the imposter. Damn it, Donovan. What the hell? You let him finesse you again.

You got to give me something else. Why do you say playmaker? Because it was right. Dude, y'all off like a mug. Why are you saying? I knew Isaac had no idea. Yeah, no. I knew Isaac had no idea.

I said playoff to you after that shit in the air and hoped it was right. Yeah, I know. over half the league makes the playoffs you got it when I said finals I thought that he knew that I knew makes the play and like it's you're fine I could have instantly eliminated myself yeah

let's do another round of it all the texts are out we're good again two of us know the player one of us doesn't let's figure out who the imposter is cool I guess I'll start mode did the last thing last time you start this time All-Star Under 25

Max contract If he's an all-star Of course he's a max contract I'm looking at him already I'm not wrong Western Conference a good driver can dunk

I'm not wrong what are you what do you mean let's keep it going to a little bit longer let's see what he says but I'm looking at Moe with seven sets of eyes look you looking at me I'm looking at you yonis ball head looking at you too

what do you want for me man what's next All right. Now, what I'm trying to do now is I'm trying to keep it vague so that I'm not giving out too many hints to everybody else. Because clearly the imposter knows and the imposter is on the something. Let's see. Let's see. SEC for college. Cool shoes. Right handed.

Okay, Donovan. Let's get him out of here. What the fuck? Mo is the imposter. Let's vote him out. Yeah, Mo, you got to get out of here. Damn! You are correct. I have no idea who this is.

You're going to have to say something. Damn. I have no idea who this is. Was it Devin Booker? This is Anthony Edwards. I wasn't wrong, though, at all about nothing. He got a max contract. Great driver.

He got cool shoes. I said driver. You said dunker. Oh, great. Yeah, exactly. Right-handed kills me. That's so ridiculous. Well, so right, too, though.

It's like 85% of the league. Let me do one more game. Okay. You kill Texer out? All right. We're all good. Again, you guys know how it goes. Two of us know the player.

One of us doesn't. Let's see who the imposter is. Who wants to go first this time? It's on you. You start. Yeah. Athlete or strong. Everyone's an athlete.

Athletic. Hmm. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. Listen, let's listen. You're done, buddy.

Do we want to do it? Everyone in a game. No, let's just, let's weed it out a little bit. Did I fold right away? Let's just weed it out a little bit. You're a cook, pal. Get the fuck out. Get out.

Get out. Get rid of you. Shoot. We can keep doing it. Let's go. Let's finish this round. No, just get to the player. No, no, we'll do this round and let's, let's make sure most, mo, let's keep going, babe.

Let's, I want, I want Isaac to have a second guess. Light skin. No, I obviously lost. Who was the player? He caught out of it. Yeah, you're done. The way, when you went back, when you tried to clarify athlete Alzaccon, motherfucker, you cooked yourself.

We're talking. Yeah. Ah, he's not an athletic fuck. Yeah, I know, I'm like, he's one of the most sturdiest motherfuckers in the league. What? Damn it. That's hilarious I have to go first

The imposter is terrible That is hilarious Yeah I know That's why you gotta go super vague I tried Everyone's athletic He picked a one motherfucker That's not

Black Black or light skin You would have like a 60% chance With that one Yeah Oh my God You said white mama 90%

Oh my god Next thing we're gonna do let's blind rank some stuff okay we're gonna blind rank NBA championship teams championship teams oh okay

so you know what goes championship teams yeah we're gonna have I'm gonna have five of them you're not gonna know who's coming next you gotta try to rank them and guess where they're gonna rank when you see the full five

let's go real subtle let's go so blind ranked these NBA champions first off the 22 Warriors we can put them at four one of the worst championship teams shout to step curry though for sure

but one of the weakest championship teams you want to say four really yeah i i think there might be someone worse just because at the end of the day they still do have step curry so i i can't put them as like the absolute worst okay let's roll four yeah i'm choking you out if they are literally the worst though hope you know that i'm sorry Hey man I don't know what to tell you The 2016 Cavs They might be one

You gotta put them at two Well Okay To a safe actually Do we think Do we think the 17 or 18 warriors are on here Because if that's If they're on here

It trumps everything Yeah But if not Then 2016 Cavs is a pretty good Number one option do we think the word's on they're already on here once would Isaac be a bastard and put him on here twice

maybe that's the real question maybe he was hangary while creating these he like some wings before making me so I was angry yeah so I would like to go ahead and put the 2016 CASA number two let's do that okay for sure

all right always you okay okay the 2014 Spurs, is this team better than the 2016? That's a real debate. All right. Listen, if the 2014 spurs, that's actually a conversation between them and the cabs. So like, do you want to put them at one?

We're putting the LeBron team at, you know, at two. How are we feeling about this? That's tough. Personally, any team that has prime LeBron alongside a healthy Cairo Irving, I might want to put them at three. But I don't know. That series is going to something between those two teams. That's the real conversation right there. It is.

I just, I would feel bad putting the beautiful game spurs because they are capable of being the best team. And I don't think the list would be thrown off if we put them at one. So let's do that. If you cook me, I swear, I'm at your Addy, bro. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All right.

Let's do it. Spurs that one, whatever. 2014 Spurs. The 2019 Raptors. Three? The Warriors are so ass. They will get whooped by every single one of these teams. Oh, my gosh.

Relax. As is a stretch, but they're getting whooped. They're going to whoop by every single team. And that's why they're four. That's why they're four. It should be five now. But three is okay. Three is okay.

That wrapped his team was deep. Yeah, we'll go three. Three solid. At number five, we have the 2008 Celtics. Never mind. Go to say worse. Congratulations. You ain't the worst.

I'm not going to lie. I think you guys did perfect. Yeah. This is a strong list. Donovan didn't let me down. All hail Donovan. Shout out to you. The rare successful blind ranking?

Is this a first? I think it is. We've had some stinkers. Give it up, y'all. Give it up. Yeah, a real stinker last time, bro. We need it. Every time I'm involved in a blind ranking, it goes horribly.

All right, man. One more video before we get out of here. Let's play some, like, fantasy basketball. I'm going to name some NBA stars, and you were to tell me if you could pair them with any other star out there, who would it be? Okay. You know, your favorite hypothetical duos for these guys. Talk to me. Who are we talking to?

Oh, yeah. Is this there that you're trying to force an awkward silence? Say something. You say something. What I do. Leave me to. Say some. here we go

first player Luca Donchich okay any athletic big bro give him Shaq it is over I don't really want to see him with Shaq honestly

don't you want to see someone who contrast I don't slow on slow I'd rather have somebody that can really jump out the gym also you on Janus listen

Just get him a big who can defend the rim and shoot threes. Put him with Chet Hombie. Oh my gosh. Okay. Just do that. You put Shay with Chet Hongren and now he's an MVP candidate. If you put Luca with Chad Hongren, they might win a championship. I was thinking like 2019 Anthony Davis.

Oh, we're going all time. Oh, I was thinking just right now. That is nasty. 2019 AD is ridiculous, bro. With the bag they had? Yeah. He could literally guard one through five. You can finally have a strong defense behind Luka

for the first time in his fucking career. As long as you fire Jason Kidd and get a competent coach in there, we can do something with that. Oh. Okay. Yeah. To be honest, that's not bad.

That's fair. That's fair. I like that. I like that. Let's go. W. Our next player. Victor Wemianama.

I hate all so much. Go ahead you guys so much. Tell them who Vic needs to play with next year. Don't want to deal with Trey Young. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's the goddamn right, I do.

Give him, Trey Young. This one's realistic. I need to see it. It's perfect. Stinker. It's not happening. There's not happening. You're going to love Kelvin Johnson.

I'll tell you that. You're going to be fantastic in a Hawks' uniform. I'll bash my head so hard and two, oh, bro. Don't do that. Don't do that. Keldon Johnson? You want to give me Trey Jones? Oh, let's not do that.

Trey and Wembe are going to eat next season. Start of a dynasty. That's next player Shay Gildes Alexander Hmm Shegillis Alexander You can fit with a lot of players You can't

I'm not going to lie Chet Holgren's already kind of perfect for him It is What better can you do it Than Chet as a big Or what a wing Would you want to see him play with

That would be like Wow bro What a complimentary piece Listen He has This guy isn't a superstar At all Right

But he has a white man on his team who can't shoot. Give him a white man who can't shoot. You put Kyle Corver on the Oklahoma City Thunder. We're cooking, right? We're doing something. It's a good pick. The aura would be ridiculous, well.

Yeah, I like Kyle Corver. I like Kyle Corver for sure. I might lean like JJ Redd because he he could give you 18, 17, because this Libro and Kyle could give you like a 12, which is still good. I just need a sharp. But Jay Redding is fire. That's all I need. That's true.

Okay. I like that. Call Corver is perfect. Give him Kyle Corver. They're sprinting to the championship. Exactly. The fastest way. All right, next player.

Zion Williamson. This is tough. This is tough. I'm begging to see him with a stretch five. That's all I need to see in life. Like, if they don't do that over the next three or four years, it'll be a travesty. So what's, okay. So what's stretch five would you like to see him with?

Someone who could actually block shots too. I mean, Chad Holgren's the easy pick for everybody He fits at everybody Yeah, for sure Brooke Lopez That'd be cool

Mm Give him the special treatment That Zion gets Brooke Lopez this year It's still great I'll take that one It's better than Yonas Valchunus He needs anything

God damn it You're trying to give him anything Yeah Him Mark Turner Rick Lopez Chris Middleton Drew Holiday

And Dante Divenchenzo He had Drew Holiday He had Drew Holiday already I like that I'm with that. I'm with that. That's fine. I was thinking I actually have a guard as well. I'm like, okay, look, Neurons, you have hella picks. I got a nice triung for you. Give me everything.

Give me free smoothies for a year and I'll consider it. That's funny. All right. Next player. Jason Tatum. Listen, point guard. Give him prime, Chris Paul. Ooh, that's a good one. Him and Chris Paul be nice. That would be fine. If you could have somebody, who can finally set him up and yell at him and tell him where to go, that's all he needs. He just needs some direction in his life.

And Chris Paul is more than happy to yell at him and give Jason Tatum the direction he needs. Yeah, I was thinking Steve Nash. Chris Paul is a good pick. Hey, you need that defense. If you need someone who's a little bit insane in the membrane, go ahead and give me Joaquinoa next to him, bro. Jokkeem Noah helps set shit right again.

He has those passing chops. And the defense would be great. Yeah. That would be cat a joke. Noah and Tatum would be a nightmare, bro. Let's give him Rajan Rondo. Just give him to all the maniacs we can. Oh my goodness.

Patrick Beverly? Fuck, give him Gilbert Arenas. Oh, God, no. We're shaking that locker room up. Yeah, no. Let's get him going. Come up the locker room as if he had nightmares, bro. He's going to turn into his real-life meme.

I just imagine the Gilbert Arinas. Dance, dance, dance. Tatum just. Oh, my God. All right, next player. Devin Booker. You know what? Give him a center that actually wanted to be there.

I don't know who it is, right? But he had DeAndre Aitin who didn't care. You could pick any center from NBA history who cared about being on the basketball court. And I would have him. Him with KG would be nasty. Him would KJ be insane. You know what? Give him Joaquin Noah.

Do that. give him a good and see what happened no he definitely he definitely needs some kind of enforcer behind them so he can be the one yamering and not have it

be Booker because every time Booker does it people start to hate him more and more nobody likes it when he talks trash no that's true Campbell More almost knocked his head off

the other day bro listen we say our stars are too soft as soon as Devin Booker starts talking shit to Luca Donchitz we're like oh he's annoying get him out of here because people don't like him

yeah if not why is he talking back to his dad like before so dramatic. If not that, go ahead and give him prime Sir D. Baca. He's in a force for real, too. Okay. Give him muscle.

Give him. Give him Bill and beer. Someone aggressive, please. Give him a big perk. Give him a metal piece. Ew. All right, next player. Janice.

Listen, you got to give him the version of Damien Lillard thought he was going to get and then bubble dame and then everything else would work out. So if you give me I was going to say Steph Curry. There you go.

There you go. I was going to say Steph Curry. But clearly this motherfucker does not want to set screens. So I might have to does not give him a guard because he doesn't want to do that. Oh my goodness. That is true.

That is true. Damn. Yeah. What he needs though. If we're talking stars, put him next to like a Paul George, right? Give him somebody on the perimeter.

who can cook be a two-way player and do all the things on the perimeter at the end of games that he is not necessarily great at this game of prime reggie miller running around causing havoc i'd be disgusting prime reggie miller oh that is just yeah that is not fair at all bro he would have 11 championship sue's name be bill russell for generation yeah all right next player lebron james he's already had everybody he's had a star point guard Star point guard Start shooting guard He's been to start three

Star 4 He's at a star 5 Who else do you want him to play with Just give him a GM With common sense in his career Is looked at completely different Give him Tyloo again We're cooking

Yeah No facts, listen Unironically If you give him prime Greg Popovich He would win another championship Today Yeah today

May give him Brony James Ew That's what he really I don't know, I mean, the easy answer, I know people weren't happy by the rumor. I think it would be kind of cool to see him play next to Steph Curry as old men. I wouldn't hate it. It just won't feel right. It just won't feel right, bro.

You want LeBron to be on the Warriors? That just feels like it's breaking all rules of basketball that don't exist. It's a retirement home. I don't even care anymore. It would be fun. You want Dreemann and LeBron on the same team, bro? Oh, dude, yes, yes, for drama. storyline and just entertainment purposes

yes I need that can't do it bro you can't do it have some shame LeBron might be the first show you more Dremov would be so annoying

bro it would be hysterical he would be riding for LeBron just bro he'll be oh you're right he'll be a LeBron's goon you're so right that is true he would be in the media

I always thought he was the goat I always thought he was the best he'd be diminishing steps greatness just to big up LeBron that is true oh shit Yeah, I like that Well, that's the last name

And that's the end of this episode Mo If you, what should people comment They're still here Because you're not here We're recording this last week Because you are currently traveling So I want you to tell people

From the past From across the world What they should comment Hmm What should they comment Choose carefully Episode, what is it? Six of the Isaac G show

Tap in there you go don't comment that but you can tap in Donovan what should they comment Damn You know what comment We are now enlightened Okay sure

Yeah comment Thank you for enlightening us TD3 We are now in light There you go TikTok time is over See you all Episode 80 in the books