The Deep 3 Podcast - We Gave 1 Hot Take For Every NBA Team | Ep. 125

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

1 hot take for every team across the NBA! #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Mo's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 1:12- Mo-ment of the week: Suns trade picks 8:40- Suns 14:30- Nuggets 22:50- Thunder 29:05- Heat 35:18- Hornets 42:45- Pacers 45:50- Warriors 53:45- Rockets 57:26- 76ers 1:04:08- Pistons 1:12:45- Magic 1:18:26- Wizards 1:21:07- Clippers & Pelicans 1:28:18- Jazz 1:32:10- Hawks  1:33:12- Timberwolves 1:39:25- Spurs 1:42:08- Nets 1:45:17- Lakers 1:51:06- Cavs 1:55:55- Lightning round (everyone else) 2:03:50- tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You know, I feel like we come up here every week, and I can only speak for myself. I don't know about you two. I do my best to stay even killed, to give thoughtful, not overreacting analysis. You know good and well, that's not bad. But today, you have to speak for yourself. But today, I'm doing the opposite. As you guys see you by that title, today we're giving one hot take for every single NBA team. So, you know, what does that mean?

What is it a hot take for us? I'm not going to be out here being like tomorrow Rosen is better than LeBron James and nothing crazy but it's you know bold welcome to my life we're all going to act like Donovan today that's the episode we've got three Donovans on the couch fucking everything is a hot take

we're going to be hating we're going to be being over dramatic we're going to be exaggerating we're going to know all of it for every single NBA team almost maybe there's a couple that we can't think of anything but we're going to have as close as we can to 30 hot takes for you guys today let's run it up the cranium is crazy oh my god

i mean i don't know what to say pray on eaters rejoice the first before we go into today's episodes guess what something else for you what do you have for me i have a gift a gift ah dummy dummy dummy dummy you pointed to the camera like

because i got them too they got to Go ahead and neck themselves. All 300,000 of you at home, dummies. Moment of the week. If you haven't been around for too long, moment of the week is where we, once in a while, go back over the last six, seven days and see what's happened in the NBA.

And the most entertaining thing, one of the most funniest things that has happened is seeing Phoenix Suns, Matt Ispia, and all them boys, go ahead and make another trade. Now, we usually don't see non-player trades happen during Matt Isbio made a trade He's the one making him he does that he does that? Does he like that? He like that he's like that he's he loves it Oh, I didn't even know that I didn't know my HB was a guy that did trades or he when he started doing trades

Trust him believes he makes them happen And the blood is on his hand at the end of the he makes be a sound like a freak right? Because he is he's a control free I'm not anything about freak I'm thinking like you said Matt Ashby did a trade it's like crack addict did crack Surprise, surprise. The 2013 Phoenix Sun's pick, one of the most valuable assets in the NBA today

has been moved for several picks from the Utah Jazz or to the Utah Jazz in exchange for three other picks between the Cleveland Cavaliers and also, I believe, like, whatever other team.

Yeah, it's like the worst of a few different teams and a few different drafts. It's like kind of like a pick swap where you might get different places. The Jazz have multiple picks in 2027, multiple picks in 2029, et cetera, the sons will get whichever is the worst of those picks,

which basically means they're probably going to get like three Cleveland Cavaliers, late first round picks in exchange for the 231 pick. One great pick equals three medium average picks, more bites of the apple. What did you think when you saw this happen? At first, I was confused because you don't see these kinds of trades often, and then immediately, like, whenever weird stuff in the NBA happens, you immediately have to be like, okay, well, what's, what's this?

about like what's going to happen that you have to go full brown one horse for i'm noticing and then think about like the future and obviously the sons are a team that have listen their vibes are very very low you know what they want to do they want to go out they want to get stars they want to make another deal and the first and initial thought is oh they're going to go out and they're going to go get jimmy yeah you say you want to get stars no they want to get a very specific star yes who is extremely unhappy who is making it loud and clear he wants to leave his team and not just he wants to leave his team, he wants to join Kevin Durant's team.

It is very clear that he is forcing his way of the Sons. This is no coincidence, right? Like this is obviously building up towards that. A Star who's also suspended once again. Yeah, that could have been a moment of the week again. Yeah. So, not only did he follow it up with like, you know,

purpose of getting suspended, but I think a couple of us saw him in the news that he wore like Phoenix Sun's themed basketball shoes and Lingnings or whatever. He's so shameless. He is hilarious. Like, I'm fully in support of players like forcing their way out of teams,

whatever shit hits the fan his specific brand of forcing his way out of a team is just comical like it's so shameless is the only word I can think to describe it like I can understand why Pat Riley is like really doesn't want to give him what he wants Oh fuck this guy

Okay but touching back on the Phoenix Suns With all their assets right now Do you think what they have is enough To either touch on a Jimmy Buller or if not Do you think they have enough to like round out their squad Because that could be option too actually I mean you can't really round out your squad just because like you're the the way that like their cap situation is set is set up it's

hard to maneuver and the only way that you really can make those moves as if like you're bringing in a jimmy butler and sending out some big salary i.e. Bradley bill and stuff like that yeah so it's really really hard for them to build around the margins and so that's why over the last two years you've only seen them in free agency and trades go out and get guys on minimum deals on on on very very small contracts but as a strategy yes I do think that one this is a good strategy for them to try and maximize the window that they have right now and then two I do think that it's enough for Jimmy Butler is 35 years old like he's not the haul for Jimmy Butler at this point in his career should not be crazy now unless Pat Riley is just on a completely different level of power chip and he's like I want you know like prime Jimmy Butler kind of hall then at that point you tell Pat Riley to go kick rocks but like it should it shouldn't it should have shouldn't be anything crazy to go get him, especially if Bradley Bill is willing to waive his no trade calls and send that money back the other way. Yeah, I feel almost certain by the time we

record this episode next week that Jimmy Bowler is going to be on the Suns. It feels like it's happening. They're just trying to figure out the specifics because it's going to be a gigantic four or five team trade. Apparently the Bucs won't Bradley Biel. That's the part of the team coming in to get him maybe. That perplexed me more than anything. Jimmy to the Suns is like foregone conclusion, whatever. It makes sense. It's fine. It's cool. It's understandable to a degree. the bucks wanting Beal is just kind of strange because they were also linked to apparently just wanting a star I saw a report day that listen we'll take Levine

we'll take Beal we'll take somebody they just want to get that Chris Milton contract out of here and get more firepower feels crazy to me that they look at Damon Lillard and they look at it finally working and they say you know it'd be nice to pair with this guy to pair with our small guard who doesn't play a lot of defense

another one like that feels like a crazy strategy to me like I can't imagine why that's their takeaway from their team and it's cool if you do that if the guy that you're bringing in is like uh is a is a bench player if it's a rotation piece to send out chris middleton who you have spent so much time and effort and so much just equity in terms of ingratiating him back into the rotation to do that and then to throw another like just massive bomb into your your your team setup that's the that's the craziest part that it's finally working and now you want to go and do something like you know massive yeah that's the

That's the weirdest part for me with like the bucks being rumored to go get Brad. Yeah. If there's one thing that I can take away from all this like trade whirling and like spin on the news that there's the bucks have no business in most conversations involving themselves in any trade whatsoever. Phoenix sons I completely understand like there's because now I'm thinking about like it's either Jimmy Buller pretty much or nothing. They can't really consolidate into any other trade the trade packages for real because of how

because they're in second apron and they have so many limitations. I mean, if the Jimmy Butler thing were to fall apart and they have to keep Bradley Beal, they could use some of these new picks they got to offload use of Nurchich and get something for that salary. They can only get what he makes. They can't aggregate salaries, like you said.

So they can get like a rotation player for use of Nurchish, maybe if they're dumping off a pick, like if like A Raptors want to give us Kelly Olinick, give us somebody competent, we'll give you Nerkich a salary in a pick. They can do something small like that, but it really is Jimmy Butler robust because anything else doesn't really change their lives.

Even that, I don't know Jimmy Butler changes their lives, but it's something. their path is pretty much set. Nothing's changing for Phoenix. I don't have any of me to get too excited either way for them. I'm so over it. Yeah, there's not a move outside of getting a legitimate, what, top 10 player on their team that would make me feel like the Sons can make the Western Conference finals.

All right, well, fuck them. Let's see for the Sons as the first one of our hot takes today. I'll go first. You have them? Yeah, the Sons are on my list of one hot take for every single NBA team. Listen, this one is very easy for me. I don't know this is a hot take, actually. Okay.

My hot take for the Phoenix Suns is Devin Booker, Kevin Durant, and Bradley Beale is the worst big three in NBA history. Which I know it's easy to say that because they suck, so like it's easy to say that, but there's been some mid-ass threes in NBA history. So, okay, whenever you say that, how are you defining worst?

I mean... How productive they are on the NBA court actually how they work. Yeah, it's the worst. That's the biggest failure. Okay, what are the worst big threes that we've seen okay well what is big three like three star level players three max level players they make the max star money they've been star players and when you acquired them you're expecting

star caliber play yeah if we're going off strictly based off of outcome i would argue that the net's big three could be could be viewed as one of the ways see even that i i disagree with that because they they went in 2021 they were just a foot away not a few way inches away from making the NBA finals but it wasn't all three of them like like Kyrie had gotten hurt like they won one playoff series yeah and so granted that's more yeah that was more than so you know exactly yeah they got there they got there and also we know why they failed this injuries and availability so but like that there's that blew up in their face yeah that makes them like you could argue it's up there it's worse to me to be available and to

be together and just be fucking horrible like that's the worst yeah it's like even when they are together I just I saw a stat the other day It's just like, oh, wow, like, when Kevin Durant and Katie, when Kevin Durant and and Devin Booker play together and they're both healthy, they're like $9 or $8 or something or something or something like that. And when Beals out, like, they're undefeated. That number is damning. Yeah, eight and oh.

Yeah. Like, you both haven't been healthy for 10 games. That's ridiculous. Yeah, it is. Okay. Sorry. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. That makes, that makes sense. Like, if I, like, I'm kind of with it. Who's, what's a worst big three? The Sun's big three or the Lakers with Russell Westbrook? that stuff we're going mid for mid but i feel like it might be the sun yeah the suns are way worse actually i don't know i don't know about way worse you can't you can't be way worse in the lakers big three with russell westbrook but it won over 40 games can this suns can you do that i mean

the sons last year were a game away from 50 wins yeah but i don't really count that because like what do you mean you don't count that they did it the bradley bill thing was just like did they trade for braddle you midseason or no preseason it was that but uh didn't he missed some time last He missed a lot of time, so it's just like, ah. But no, no, you still to count it though. They still want plenty of games. But I don't know. This year, again, most teams, when they have their best three players on the court,

no matter who the team is, you look at the fucking wizards. You get their best three players and you look at lineups with just those three players. They're probably going to have like a positive net rating because it's your best players. Every team has to field a certain amount of cap space that makes you afford players of competency. This team, when they have Devin Booker, Bradley, Bill, and Kevin around on the court has a negative 3.4 net rating. You're losing your minutes with your three best players. That's outrageous. That's insane.

And if only somebody had seen this coming. Because I feel like everybody in the NBA world was like, I mean, I guess cool. You know, like you got Bradley Bill, but this probably isn't a move that makes you better because you have one, you'll kill them, two, ooh kill them, three, who kill them type basketball players. And it makes no sense roster construction. The way that the Sons have operated in the last two to three years where you were in the finals and you had the resurgence of Chris Paul and Devin Booker and they're on this rise and you are able to get probably, you know, the best years of DeAndre Aton's career and arguably the best vibes in the NBA at the time to now easily bottom three, bottom three vibes. Bottom one vibes. You can't be you kidding me. You got sent him home because he was so ass because it was such a distraction.

I can argue for, like, for one other team in terms of vibes. Warriors? We'll get to it because they're on my list. Okay, cool. If the Warriors are probably worse, actually. No. Sounds the second worst. Yeah, but yeah, but bottom, bottom three vibes for sure.

And there's really no path forward because, especially now that you've traded away that 2031 pick, you have no control over, over seven years over your future for the rest of the 301, bro. There's like almost no real path. they're not going to be asked back then you're going to be 42 in 2031 that's crazy the fuck I'm not got that way off my bad I mean that one's simple not let's talk about this is the worst big three of all time if you can think of a worse one you may you're right but I don't want to hear it because I'm going to choose to believe I'm right because this team is the gutter

and I'm just going to ignore you if you provide me with any that are actually worse I would choose the Brooklyn Nets big three way back in like 2013 2014 when they made that straight surrounding KG no they're old though they were old shit i mean they were they were expensive but like pick wise were they all were they on max i'm sure they were so on max contracts but it's not the same like the expectation coming in was that these are three stars who are still in or just after their prime and katy hasn't missed a step like we knew back then those guys were old the expectations were kind of different yeah and they were also trying to fit

into something else with brooke yeah with with with with darin willms like it was more of a collective you know effort instead of that that big group being like the driving Congratulations to Phoenix Suns fans. You are a fan of the biggest failure of a victory in the NBA history, bro. I love that for example. Listen, history is history. Take what you can get, man.

Yeah, they're on some, at least. What's your first take, Mo? Okay, so for my first take, let's stay in the Western Conference. Okay. The Denver Nuggets will be the 2025 NBA champions this year. Oh, that's certainly a hot take. Okay.

Stick into that, bro. So much shit has changed since we've last podcasted. Um, they recently, everyone is aware of the, of Russell Westbrook and how he's just been thriving alongside Nicole Yowicz and the numbers are ridiculous. He's sitting in the career highs and certain aspects of his game and so was Nicole Yolkich as well. But another pivotal and really important change that they've made, I saw launch it last weekend because I thought they were just experimenting, but now this is like an actual thing. Aaron Gordon is the saving grace coming off of the bench. He makes so much shit work for them. he is the best defender on the team he's one of the better passes on the team he's just like

his game he is who he is who he is alongside nicole yokic but his game is just expanded and he's like the perfect role player the perfect pseudo point guard coming off the bench as well because he has that ability to involve so many players he makes like the hundred jordan looks so usable and like not a complete waste of minutes that's so rude i don't know how hard that is that's so rude it's 25 no i feel you i think yeah last minute we did our cheer list and we put them in B. Obviously, some Nuggets fans were upset. They're, haven't you seen this the last four games?

Not me. I wanted to put them in A. You want to put them in A. You own up to it. I'm comfortable going with A now. There's been like three more games since then. They won them all. And they look better and better.

We're getting a more sample size. If you want to go A, it's building up. I'm cool with it. With Aaron Gordon there, obviously he makes their defense better. It's not as horrific as it wasn't he was out. And early in the season, you remember that first week, whenever Russell Westbrook and Dariusarish were a fucking disaster on the bench. They were playing ass.

terrible. Obviously, they don't play Darry or Sarge anymore, but they signed Russ thinking he'd be the sixth man. He'd give them, you know, same reason everybody signed Russ past few years. You bring him off the bench and he runs your second unit. He plays Russ basketball. He can create shots for others, still do his thing, but in a small bench role, that was like the idea. And they found that no, he can't play by himself. Well, he can, but, you know, not to take the most advantage of him. But you glue him to Nicolioch's hip and made them play every minute together. And he, there are a god. Dodson. Nicole Yolkich said yesterday that he loves playing with him because he knows exactly what

I'm thinking every play. Yeah. And you see that on the court. Their synergy is ridiculous. So being able to sacrifice starting Aaron Gordon, putting him on the bench to ensure that Russ plays almost every minute he can with Yokic as a starter. Yeah. That's good coaching. That's just smart. It's optimizing the few abilities to find more firepower on your roster in Russ. It just, it makes a lot of sense. It makes everybody better. Yeah. And humongous shout out to like Aaron Gordon, bro. Like he could have definitely had the biggest, the world's biggest ego trip off this but you want to take me off the bench after I was a very important part instrumental part to this championship run that we made just a couple years ago for this

motherfucker named russell westbrook who the NBA's been sitting on over the last couple years no but instead he was like yeah I'm gonna be the point guard off the bench the best rebound the best center the one of the best shooters off the bench too and fulfill that role so you know why listen he got paid it's it's already a generation of wealth has been acquired it is nothing matters anymore he's set for life bro and now that he's striving this is doing nothing but raising his value and in the eyes of the fans even for the Denver Nuggets, bro,

they are absolutely in love with them. He's the second most important favorite player. Now this is a hot take, so obviously it's a little hyperbolic. Yeah. And the Thunder are by far the best team in the West.

But if you want to tell me that Nuggets are going to be in the conference finals to play them, second best team coming for that two seed maybe? Hey, man, it's shaky. I don't hit it. Yeah, I don't hate it. I think there's always talk about

like, are you playing your best basketball at the right time? Are you peeking too early? And it feels like the nuggets are starting to peak and, like, right now is kind of around the time when you want to really start hitting your stride, you know what I'm saying, and like not get too burnt out. And a lot of teams, you spend the early parts of the year tinkering with stuff, trying to figure out, you know, what works, what does it, all that.

The fact that that one, Yokic has been extremely consistent and just doing the Koli Yokin's things. And there's only a couple teams in the league that have that, that luxury of having, you know, top five production night in and night out and you can continue to work things around i like that i like the fact that jemal murray has been playing better yes i think i think like the way that the way that the jemal was playing at the beginning of the year i was first when i listen again i was on the hot take episode in in october and i was like yo you got to trade jemal murray because it's not looking good yeah obviously the guys over there they have a little bit of sense and they they stay patient

with him for about another two months and it's starting to be good and I think with the way that yokech is is playing you don't i don't think that yeah like i don't think you need an all-time jemal murray to to get to the conference finals i love that in the same way the buddy-heeled cycle is inevitable and warriors fans had deluded themselves into thinking they could break the generational curse that is buddy-heeled in december becoming buddy-hilled the jamaurray curse i mean cycle is clearly also inevitable, but this time he started off slow like always, but that slow was just like 10% shittier, so it scared the hell out of us. We've seen him start slow before, but this was so slow. We're like, oh man, is it over? Especially after what happened in the Olympics, especially

what happened in the playoffs. We had like six straight months of bad Jamal Murray, but this is what he does. He's that type of guy that comes in the season out of shape. He's skinny again, by the way. I don't know if you all notice. He's looking cut again. Early season, Jamal Murray was looking a little Luca Donge's desk. It was looking a little, well, enjoying his UFC on the weekends. Okay, wait, watch her, I see you. And but now he's cut again, he's in shape. He looks better.

Everything is going to, according to plan for Jerome Murray, the bad, which is worse than before. So maybe we overreacted. And I guess I can't say that yet because it really comes down to how he looks in playoffs because that's everything for him. But as far as regular season production, it looks like he's pretty much fine for now. Okay, yeah. Yeah, okay.

I don't, I don't hate that take, especially because the West is extremely wide open. And it's very clearly OKC and then everybody else. On the season, the Nuggets are fourth in offense and 19th in defense. Where do you think they are in offense in the last 10 games? They're probably number one or two. One. Here we go. 122.

They won by far. Grizzies are two at 119 offensive rating. Nuggets are at 122. Yeah. Where do you think they are in defensive rating? Again, 19th for the season. Where do you are in just these last 10 games? The last 10 games, I want to say with Aaron Gordon back and coming off the bench and

Russell Westbrook playing the type of defense's been playing. I want to say they're probably eight third six split the difference nice that is a loudest clap I've ever heard I don't know much of Mike picked it up but this room's kind of echoey that was sharp I'm a hall of thing clap for bro this is what I do I saw somebody I for who was I think it might have been hoop venue on Twitter it was somebody some creators said that he thinks this team now with how they're playing with Jamal being back with Russ having a new injection of life into the team that this might be better than their championship team yeah the league around them got

better so there's a little more contenders to contend with but in terms of how they're playing it's not crazy i guess i mean cp's a miss but i don't i don't i'll summer i was telling you i think kCP's impact is overrated i was wrong about that defensively but in terms of the offensive dynamics so our only magic fans would be like nah bro you're right just to this team just so they they missed that point of attack definitely bad and that's not necessarily something the magic need from him so i i underrated his defensive impact but offensively i don't give a shit about kCP so like i think that's a perfectly good take i'm not sure i think that's too much my might take the championship team but but if you if also you want to say that yokech is gone to like

true to an even another level much better than that's his shooting's next level 40 so 47 percent yeah and so that's that's the that's the crazy part about it so if you want to tell me that and then say that this version is better that's fine so yeah they definitely are a contender and i don't i don't hate the take that they are going to win the the 2025 title that's the take that i believe However, I disagree. Let's give every take a W or a NL and see if these are good takes. That's a W take.

I don't know if it's going to happen, but that's a perfectly understandable take. Yes, it is understandable. Two Ws in a row. I'm going to take your take, W as well. Yes. Of course you are. All right, my first take.

And here's the reason why I think that you're wrong. Okay. Because I think that the Oklahoma City Thunder are that much better than not only everybody in the Western Conference, but everybody in the league. And I think that they will win the way they can win the western conference

they will win the western conference even if chet homework doesn't come back they will they will win the conference that's your hot take even if chet doesn't come back that's your hot take they will they will win the title i would have said that yesterday before a hot take i was hell yeah even if even if chet doesn't come back i didn't know i didn't know how high because every time that we've talked about the thunder

we've always talked about them in the context of like oh yeah whenever may comes here like chet's going to be there and so obviously like they're still great but it has felt like we're you know like we're waiting to get to to the playoffs people yeah the best version there's still there's still some version of jadob that we want to see as the second creator against playoff defenses against teams that are are game planning so i thought that that that was a little bit hotter than than what it is but i i truly think that like i don't think that there's anybody in the western conference that can compete with them yeah if you said they

win the west without chet i i am i won't guarantee anything it's january it'd be silly to draw a complete line in the sand, I'll be shocked if the Thunder aren't in the finals. If they aren't in the finals. Yeah, barring unforeseen injury or whatever, I'll be shocked than on the finals. With or without Chet. I think they probably need Chet to be a full strength Boston Celtics, so I won't go as far as to say without Chet, they're going to win for sure. But man, if we get at least 10 games of Chet and I can see the full vision of both

bigs, giving them the versatility to play together and individually with two different looks two different styles of offense if i see for just 10 games maybe just five games maybe just two games fucking 10 minutes if i see for one game and it looks good i'll be ready to say they're going to win the finals yeah i'm all in i just there's there's not any more of all inness that i can be when it comes to okay c and finally you know saying shea once again shuts up the haters Yeah, puts up, finally gets his 50-point game, gets his career high once again. And it's like, at this point, what more do you need to see from him? Yeah, he's the MVP.

Nobody's not meeting him anytime soon. And I put my eye, I went all in. Don't speed by what you just said, like you just did not say that. No one's what. So what I was trying to say is I went all in on the thunder like before the season started. Replay exists on YouTube, buddy. I tweeted that I think this team is going to be this year's version of the 2015 Warriors, that we're going to see a new superpower come.

And it's going to be a team that probably defines the next five and six years of basketball. This is going to be the team you have to go through. It'll be the 2020s defining, I don't want to say dynasty because who knows they even won any, but like superpower. You know, the team to beat out West, it's going to be that same type of dominance that we saw from the Warriors and they broke out. So if I say that, I got to think they're going to win a championship. So I've been on the side.

But without Chet? Without Chet. No, they need Chet to beat the Celtics, but I think they don't need Chet to make the finals. So I'm with you. That's like, by easy as W take in the world because I just think you're right straight up. I think it depends how the matchups eventually shake out in the playoffs without Chet. I think if obviously if Chet's in there, I'm like, yeah, there should be a lock no matter who's in front of their face in the Western Conference finals.

But without Chet, if they come across like the Denver Nuggets in the second round. Outside, outside, okay, because like obviously you, you believe in Denver a lot. Outside of Denver, who in the Weston Conference can go toe to toe with them? There's a clear, yeah, there's a clear hierarchy. And outside of Denver, there's no one. I would say like, okay, maybe the Dallas Mavericks, but like they've been so injured and battered. I think if they came across the Mavericks,

then I'd want to lean towards the Mavericks, a healthy Mavericks team. But things are going to be so dice because Derek, Derek Leibbley Jr. just went out with an injury. He's going to be out for the next two to three months. You'd want to lean towards the Mavericks. Is everybody healthy? Yeah, if everyone's healthy without Chet Hongrum,

I want to lead. Yeah, I'm going to lean towards the Dallas Mavericks without Chet Hongrum. But if Chet's there, along with Eyehart, yeah, I'm probably leaning towards O'KC. Yeah, I just think that this team. So I'm going to give it a soft. though. Not hard.

Soft, hell. Can it be a soft W. You can't go out. Be positive. But I just think like this team

from two years ago, the one that lost to Minnesota in the plane, it was so very clear. All you need is somebody who is like competent and seven feet tall and they're going to be amazing.

And they got that last year with Chet number one seed. They got that this year with Chet the first couple games and Hartnstein throughout the year. And as as long as, listen, as long as Jay Will is not playing center

for them, fine he's such a nice guy no he's such a nice guy he's cool but he just can't be the guy right now such a nice guy but he's so bad and so it's like you know you you get a competent center right there and you know dare dare start putting above average NBA players into that spot they're they're great they're fantastic and especially with Shea playing at this level um this is they're on a different level j was one of those players that isn't good for the NBA standards but like imagine his game if he went to like a local pick-up game at like UT if we saw him at great gym way way well he jaywood would be in a fucking revelation

being that size and being able to shoot like that and moving all slow oh yeah like he'd tear cc basketball up yeah that's what he did i know where do you go he went to arkansas oh okay okay yeah i could totally imagine him like being that like there's some type of players that like are good but even if you see him play regularly people like they're obviously bad and everybody they're fucking NBA caliber players but like it doesn't look insane. I can just, Jay Will has that perfect game

that if you play against regular people, he would look like Dirk and Viscan. So you're telling me he is this new age version of O KC's Nick Collison.

Is he like that too? Yeah. Any tall big that can shoot is going to look insane against regular people. But also, listen, Jay Will,

Jay Will is the personality higher. He's, he's Nick Collison as well but he's Mr. OKC. Those people are very, very valuable in a corporate setting

on teams and stuff like that. Nick Collison, great guy. He got to be there. He got to be there. So yes, that's his MPA comparison. You know, Nick Collison got his jersey retired boat, Casey? Yeah.

Shout out to him. Yeah. Number four. Shout to him forever. Just being a nice person can go a long way. I agree. Okay. You guys' takes are very tame.

Those are reasonable takes. Let me just say something that's actually a hot take, I think. I think by the end of next year, by the end of 2026, I think that Khalil wear will be better than Bam out of bio. Oh, wow. That's outrageous. You woke up out of Ben and bail out of him. I'm going to be dumb today. The fuck

I saw about two games A Kulahua and I was like Moves Davies In his veins Moves Different You can just tell

When you see somebody That has a certain Movement pattern That you're like Wait till he builds that frame out Wait until he gains The defensive IQ To be able to use that length more

Wait until the shooting touch gets more consistent Because he can play 82 games Under those rookie legs You can see it's gonna come together Yeah But this is honestly

Much more about Bam out of Bio Slander Exactly Yeah, if Bam out of bio continues this like, this downhill decline that he's been on next year. And if Cleleware just like, you know, has natural rookie progression, yeah, he might be better. Ben, we had you in top five center combos. And now he's not the, now he can't be the best son on his own. I feel so embarrassed when I think back to the top 30 player ranking I did for Christmas. As you said.

I hate so much of it. And I put Bam on my top 30 just because I was like, surely it's just a slump, right? Respect. I want to get the whole list This is a year where a lot of young guys We took a leap and like I gave Bam the nod over a lot of them Because I'm like you're gonna bounce back

I have prior understanding of your game It's only been 20 games Surely by game 40 He'll be looking like normal bam right We're now like 43 games in And he looks fucking atrocious And I'm sick of it I'm sorry Evan Mowgli for saying

BAM's better than you That's outrageous I'm sorry Jaron Jackson for saying Bams better than you That's outrageous I'm damn sure sorry Kay Cunningham for saying Bands better than you that's outrageous. I'm so over this fucking 2000s, David West style he wants to play.

He wants to get his bag off and just do all these jumpers from the mid-range and fade away and finish with finesse as if he's like 35 needs to save his body. He doesn't want to go to the rim at all anymore. Meanwhile, he still jumps very high

and can still assert himself physically if he wanted to. It just pisses me off. Like, it's seeing somebody fall off a young age because of their own choices and desires of how they want to play the game makes me so mad. And maybe he'll look better

if he had a better point guard to feed him and get him going downhill in a different team setting. I don't care. I'm so over it. So, Kel L, where? You're the future. Kalil where?

I keep thinking that's Kellel like he's superman. I think it's Kalil. Shout out you. You're huge and I think you're going to be good. You know what? That's very fair. And shout out to Tyler Hero too because I think that...

Oh, I'm sorry, Tyler Hero for saying better than you. Yeah. Well, I'm saying that because for a lot of these guys, when you're in a situation like the heat, are in it's very easy to kind of just dismiss everything that they have going on yeah true because you had you thought that you were going to you know get dame on your team it didn't happen you

had kind of this like cold war happening for the past like you know six months like preseason you had this cold war between jimmy butler pat riley it's obviously turned up now and so the vibes clearly aren't high in miami and it's very hard to like find a rhythm or find some type of continuity especially for a guy like bam who isn't who isn't like we're going to dump the ball into bam and he can create offense for himself and for everybody like that is how they use him no no it's stupid no but like that's that's clearly not him you know you know what I exactly they force him to be that that's what I'm saying like you you you can watch bam and it's the same way like when you when you watch when you watch where and you watch the way that he moves and you're like oh he moves

different you can watch the way some guys move and just be like okay like he's just not going to be that level of a star or of a of a creator and bam is is like that and so i do wonder going into next year once jimmy is off this team and you kind of get like a reset if bam is able to also get a reset and kind of figure out his role for real and like really get i don't know grounded for lack of a better term and for like what he can do but i'm going to give him just just another i'm going to the end of the year and then we were like revisit but i don't hate the take because it truly has been an atrocious year for bam out of bio fans yeah just know if you're ref if you guys are somebody who watched that top 30 list late and you see at the end of my list you see jimmy beller

bam out of bio and scotty barns just know they're all gone and on it goes jaren jackson evan mowblin and kate cutting him wow love to hear it let's see it come on i'm gonna give that step up bam That's a actual hot take I'm going to give that A soft W Let's go The fact that I got a soft W He got a soft L is hilarious

But I'll take it In 2020 when they made the finals What percentage of his shots Do you think came from the rim 70 Ben? Yeah Ooh maybe I'll put that up to 80 actually

I'll go 75 Okay that's outrageous In 2020 59 All right So that's a good amount That's 64th percentile And, no, no, I made the finals again in 2023. What do you think it was?

Probably like 65. 62. No, he's going down. It's 40 now. 59 in the first finals, 40 in the next finals. That's a big drop off. This year is 30. Wow.

Every year of his past like six years, it's like 5% less, 5% less, 5% less. Just slowly, slowly get into the rim less and taking more and more jumpers. And I think every single year has affected focal percentage. It just dropped. 2021 is 57. next year 55.9, 54.3, 52.9, and this year 48%. Okay. Clear pattern.

He's ridiculous for taking this type of shots. Going based off of history, which is right there on cleaning the glass, I'm going to say, yeah, I'm going to turn my soft w into a bigger double because history just tells me, yeah, you're going to get worse. And you're going to take harder shots, even though you're not one of the best around the rim at all in the entire NBA. Listen, this year is 10th percentile and affect the total percentage. We're gunning for first percentile next year.

We're gunning for the worst shooter in the league. We're on the way. History says we'll get it. Wow. It's beautiful. I love that. All right. Let's move on to my next take.

Hopefully I can walk away with a W. Okay. One more bad seasons from the Charlotte Hornets. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. The mellow ball will request a trade. Oh, okay.

One more bad season. You're talking about request to trade. I'm thinking like maybe they should just decide to trade them if they have one more bad season. If I'm La Mello. honestly I'm chilling I have I have my money I can take 35 shots a night

I can do whatever I want in this franchise it is fine like I think that La Mello's his usage rate and the amount of time that he has the ball this is what you'd want to do like you just have you have the ultimate

green light and again the fact that I have already been paid my extension I can I can live however I want And so it's like, just thinking about the lifestyle. That's it. You don't think he wants to have a respectable career? People remember him?

He is paid and gets 35 shots tonight. If you have, if you know anything, right? If there's anything that Lamella Ball's personality screams to me, it is that money and getting these shots off are top priority. And I feel like both of his priorities are checked. So I don't, I don't think, I don't think he would be in a position where he would request the trade. But I do agree with Heisek that the Hornets.

probably should trade him. Not they probably should, but if they have another bad year next year next year, if they win less than 30 games next year again, there's a clear issue here. And you think it would be Lamello? I think, as the issue.

As the issue is dramatic. That means to sound like I'm saying, Le Mello, you're the problem, we can't win with you. But I think if you have, this season, they're going to win less than 30 games.

Right? Probably. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, okay. We're on that period. What do they have right now, like 11 wins? I think they have like nine wins.

something like that i want to say they have 11 right now something like that all right you guess and you guess 11 he said 9 i'm gonna say they have 9 all right he what the fuck ever they have less than 12 wins 11 11 okay yeah i saw somebody tweet that i was certain i don't know why i pretended it wasn't um if they do that again next year and lamello is healthy two years in a row and they're fucking bottom feeders it's not that he's the issue it's that he's obviously not the answer and there's a world where lamello can be a winning player obviously i completely stand against the notion that there's like empty stats players and some people just can't win.

That's not reality. Everybody can win if they're a good player. You just need the right situation around them. Maybe some players are harder to build around. That makes them less valuable than other guys. That's definitely a thing. But it's never impossible. If you're once again, having Lamello be a scoring leader,

be just like the best case version of the way he plays right now and you have less than 25 wins at the end of the season, you're not going anywhere fast with this Hornet's roster clearly. It won't be crazy to me to reset it completely. I do agree with you. um with with lamello because we have seen him we've seen the hornets be somewhat successful yeah right we've seen them make the play in tournament which yeah again for for them that actually like like that's a massive you know stepping stone to try and like start to and they weren't win now moz

it was like it was a good season yeah to try and and build something but i think that i i think that if you are if you are charles lee or if you're the front office and you actually believe in what charles is trying to do being able to have 100% buy-in on what you want and I'm not saying lamello doesn't or anything but like you're getting to the point where like Lamello is about to get to like the prime of his career he's winning Lee for like five years ago so like he him and his athlete career is going to be in the win now mode Charles Lee and what the hornets are and where they're at they are clearly still in the developmental stage it would probably be best and most fair to Charles Lee to say, hey, we're going to start over

and try to give you as clean of a sleigh as possible to where you can build this team as best in your image or however much you want to from this. And you can get whatever picks you can from Lamello and you can move on from there. That would probably be best for them. Yeah, exactly. That's a good way to phrase it. Because again, no one's saying that it's a lamella ball issue, but the timeline is not lining up and you need to just reset it, especially because you're going to have a good pick this year. God forbid you get Cooper Flagg. That makes it even easier

if things don't work out again next year because now you can just you have Cooper Flagg and Brandon Miller. But let's say it's not him. It's Ace Bailey. It's DeBonsa or whatever. If it doesn't work again and clearly this method is not happening,

it's good for Lamele to get a new home if it's not going to work here. It's good for you to try something new with these new young players and to start over. I won't be shocked to get there. I'm not predicting this per se. It's a hot take.

I won't be shocked if it happens. Okay. Well, I'm arguing like this is basically like an argument. this is basically an arping of like who is going to get broken up with is lamele going to ball going to break up with the hornets or will the hornets eventually start that breakup to me i don't think the hornets are in any position to go ahead and start any type of breakup because they haven't done right by mellow by lamello in terms of having actual building blocks for the future

the only ones that i can sit here and be like yeah like this is a solid player who who who you can build somewhat of a foundation with is of course brandon miller from last year and like mark williams who's like finally started to be healthy and he's been been doing tremendous things on the course since he's been healthy surprise surprise but to see that like after all these years of being ass of course they compromise being ass and for the and they compromise being ass and also the NBA draft for the sake of you know being somewhat respectable for two years back when they paid Gordon Hayward I think that fucked them and that robbed them with just having some type of young players or more building blocks yeah I think that set them back

I think drafting bad players fucked them well that is it's a combination of both things drafting no players and also bad players. Miles Bridges sucks. Obviously, they drafted, what's the name? James Boycott out a couple of years ago, and that's just a complete wasted NBA draftic that set them back. Didn't work at all. T. John Salon is young.

Who knows? Refraining my opinions. He does not look good in any way. Does not look good in the G League. Did not look good as a prospect playing overseas. I'll put it out there. I don't think that'll age super well. They just have not drafted a ton of good players.

They have three good draft picks on this roster. Yes. And after how many years, bro, tell me you've been like rebuilding since Kemper Walker. has been out for this many years. Yeah. That's insane. That's a skill issue for these guys in the front office.

Obviously. And so when you say that the Hornets aren't in a position to break up with Lamello. Yeah. For Nick Smith, my bad. But also, that's what poverty franchises do. Like, they, like, bad teams do do things that keep them in, in the cycle repeatedly. And it takes very, very special people to, come in and change everything from the ground up and like literally the only thing that the hornets

have working for them is the fact that lamella ball is very popular and that he no like that you can you can say we have lamella ball come watch us play you have that and you have very cool throwback uniforms outside of that the hornets don't have a lot going for them right now and it's like you know when you're when you're bad you keep trying to chase you know trying to be good trying to be competent and eventually that's going to lead them to the point of all right we're going to trade le mellow we're going to start this rebuild hey fans be patient with us then you're going to look up and it's going to be another six years and they're still not going to be good all right what's the next one let's move on we're only five sure um all right let's do some quick

ones we'll be five five in yeah for the indiana pacer's um i think in the off season right because obviously something something is going to have to happen. this season that will prevent this from happening this season. But in the offseason, I think the Indiana Pacers should try their absolute hardest to trade for Kevin Durant. And to trade for Kevin Durant. To trade for Kevin Durant. I think that I think that Tyrese Halliburton, his quote-unquote surgeons, has shown us that he can be a very good player. Is he going to be 26 and 12? I'm leading you to the in-season tournament title? No. He's not he's not going to, he's not going to do that consistently. That's fine. Pascal Seaccom is cool. Is Pascal Seaccom going to be the number one guy

on your championship team? No. Can Tyrese Halliburton be like an offensive engine? Yes, you still have to get top tier production. I think for them going out and getting a guy, KD at this age and at the price that it would probably take is worth the swing. And I think that for the Pacers, they consistently don't like to tear things down. Not that they're in a position to like rebuild, but this is kind of where they've been at. You already took the swing with Pascal. Yeah, right?

You took one step. You said, we believe in Tyrese. We're going to go get him help. This year, I don't think that the Pacers are going to do anything else. You are kind of in that range where you either take a massive step forward or you stay mid for the next three to four years. And now's the time you can go make a pretty big step. But I think adding KD and adding that, that dimension to their offense and to their team, that would help a lot.

So I think that they should go into it. What does the trade look like? I think you're cooking. Obviously, Pascal Seacom has to be compromised. Bennett and Mathrim probably will be traded as well. Obie Topin is probably going to be throwing there. I mean, the sons are like over the apron. So whatever contracts that you want to build a part of has to be there.

But I think it's going to be several draft picks and then also like has to be Pascal. I mean, he's a, Pascal is 100% gone too. Even when you want to keep him, he's gone. Yeah. I mean, the, uh, those paces are just like constantly in wind now mode, obviously. So I'm sure they'll make a trade. I'm always bothered. They're going to, they're going to try to make a trade.

I don't know if they'll be able to get KD and that's going to like the cards will work out in their favor, but your general point, if it's time for them to keep buying and just keep buying and buying and buying and making the team as better as they can every single year. You're right. 100%. I think they completely agree with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And if it's, if it's, if it's not, if it's not KD, some star is going to be unhappy. this offseason go out and get them you know okay i like that i love that i can actually see this happening yeah i'm in ultra buy mode for the indiana paces considering who the indiana paces are and how they saw tires halber and ascended to a certain level that we're not going to see again but seeing them just like move off of a piece and try to get better instead of like being who they are a mid team with midstars in the midwest like they just left who they are bro the most self-loving team in the NBA's gonna break away from that and like not be complacent i can see them chasing after kat My next team is the Golden State Warriors

My hot take for the Warriors is If the report is true That they were offered Zach Levine And a first round pick Oh hell no If I think it probably is true Or this is not even say that My hot take for the Warriors is

Passing up on Zach Levine last year Is the single worst decision Any NBA team has bathed in the last five years All things considered That's kind of crazy Think about it All things considered You have Steph Curry

You have the best player that will ever play for your team He's the last legs of his career You have a very finite window to make moves last year Because you had Chris Paul's expiring contract Which gave you the ability to match salaries The big contract and bring in people in the door And just spend some assets If apparently the reports are true

And the Bulls are trying to give you a great player And a pick to take his money In exchange for Chris Paul and whatever other salary needed You don't have to go with any assets And you could have a star shooting guard Instead of letting Chris Paul walk for nothing Losing that asset Losing that ability to add big money

without losing big money that matters. And again, you have Steph Curry, you're in the book end of a dynasty to let it whimper and die with so much pity. That's worse than the sun's blowing up the future because they had way less to lose. The sons probably, they were no reason that end and they didn't have a lot to do

so they had to go somewhere. The warriors had a clear vision, a clear ceiling, a clear player to prove to that we care about you and we care about the end of your career. Stakes involves asset, management involved value involved i can't think of a worse decision i mean they also drafted james wisely that was more than five years ago now wasn't it no no no no that was five years that was five years in the last four years that is the worst decision any NBA i was going the leger's trading in for

westbrook too yeah but the last three and a half years that is the worst decision anybody is made uh man okay yeah yeah it's it's their general philosophy has been baffling yeah and it's It's kind of disgusting that Steph gave them 50 points in a game seven. And they were like, no, like, you know what? We're cool with this. Like, we're cool just going toe to toe with the Sacramento Kings. You are the Golden State Warriors. You guys have won four championships in the last eight years.

And you think that you're on the King's level. That's not the level that you should be at. That's not the level that having Steph Curry put you on. It's, yeah, it's actually, it's disgusting. It's annoying more, first and foremost. It's embarrassing. I got a second hand. Yeah.

They should have, they should have did something. Because even if it, you've seen, oh, you've also seen this cycle workout before where they went and they traded for, for Delo. And like, after, you know, after a handful of games or whatever, it was clear. It didn't work. But getting Delo allowed you or forced you to make other trades. And then because of all those other trades, now you get, you get Wiggins back. And now you are in a.

in a space where you can actually contend for a title being able to just constantly have an asset that is movable and having some kind of flexibility while also getting productivity on the floor that is very very big for one of the most expensive teams and one of the most expensive rosters to where you don't really have a lot of flexibility otherwise and the biggest point here is Zach Levine is amazing at basketball yeah we last year obviously the everybody slept the name around Zach like the whole narrative around Zach Levine has been down he missed a lot of last year, so obviously it wasn't going to be high. We were up here saying, like, the Pistons should trade for him.

Like, somebody should trade for him. I was a Lakers fan saying, I kind of want Zach Levine. Like, I felt like I was gassed a little bit into thinking I sound like an idiot because the whole NBA world was like, why would you ever want Zach Levine? And I was like, I had to preface it by saying, I get it. I understand the money's bad, yada, yada. But I think he'd be really cool next to LeBron and AD. I kind of want him on my team.

I know I sound stupid because I was just like convinced that it's a stupid idea. Look at him this year. It was never stupid. He's a great player. The narrative has taken control from top to bottom in the media in teams. Teams listen to this media shit and they hear everybody say,

Zach Levine's a terrible contract in the same way we hear it. They're not immune to it. There's just this weird narrative that's taken over the group think around Zach Levine. Simple put, if somebody want to give you an All-Star and a pick to take them off of their hands

and you said, no, we're good off that. We got Kaminga at home. You're fucking insane. And think about the teams that we said should go out and get Zathexie. like Levine, the Pistons, the Warriors, the Lakers, desperate teams. We're not, we're not saying, oh, the, the Celtics should go out and get, and get Levine.

We're not saying the thunder, the Mavericks should go out and get it. If you are set in what you have, keep rocking. But if you are about to, you know, start tanking, if you are in the playing year in and year out, yeah, you should probably get an extra bump. If you're trying to be competent like the pistons are, yes, take the swing. When you are in those spaces, if, like, if you're the Pistons, who cares? You've won 13 games for the last five years. They're giving you a pick.

That's what I'm saying. Go ahead and get Zach Levine. If you're the Warriors, you guys have missed the playoffs twice, right? Because of the playing stuff. Go and get him some help. You lost Clay Thompson. You lost Jordan Poole. All the guys who were supposed to be successors haven't been, haven't been what you thought they were.

You 100% should have done that. Yes, they've mismanaged this whole thing. If that is true, your take is obviously a W. I'm hoping it's not, and I hope this like this conversation should be expanded even more beyond the Warriors and just like the entirely because Zach McGinn is in my mind, he's been the most underrated player over the last few years. He's a hooper for like main reason being his contract. Although yes, we all agree. It's kind of nasty. But at the same time, too, he is like a walking 22 points per game on like six, seven times from three point range.

I don't even think it's that nasty. I think we overrate bad money when it's star players Like I get it it's expensive Yeah It's bad if the player is like Unplayable Like I feel like I'm constantly feeling insane Because I say like players like Zach Levine

To a lesser extent Bradley Beal Whoever it is like big money players They're good They're paid like they're great So that's not amazing But it's fine Like I feel like people Have this weird idea of salary

As in every team that doesn't get a bad contract It's gonna like have caps Capsed sign a star or something Like it's such outdated ideology most teams operate above the cap are most good teams that we're talking about trades like this and getting Zach Levine versus not

because for who you'd send out is a matter of like a tax bill which is like the extent of bad money usually in its impact there's some cases where it fucks you a little more but I think it's fine to pay a really good player great money because you need to be desperate

it's okay they're good players I think a lot of NBA fans specifically hasn't they haven't caught up to the salary cap at all in like just the natural I don't want to say inflation but NBA players get paid more like they haven't caught up

to see here and like oh my god like Deandre hunter $35 million a year like that's crazy I don't think it's certified I think it's like 30 but 30 or 20 no he's getting paid like low in 20 low and 20 that's what I thought I was like 35 I take it back god damn maybe there is bad money maybe there's terrible money though yeah that that was hyper really for sure but point is like NBA fans and their thought process like Aaron Gordon for example in like 35 or something like that he's a name and pick the number and he's a horseman I believe them oh shit what do you know But I don't know. 20.

But like better example. So I'm like Aaron Gordon getting paid what he's paid. Of course, like it's a little bit overpriced or whatever the case may be. But for the impact that he is and for what he means to the Denver Nuggets or what else they could do with that money, pay him. He is worth that in that scenario. Yeah. And secondary change is it sometimes for some teams. Like obviously sometimes you can't afford that because you don't want to go in there and have those limitations.

Not every situation is like that, though. Some of these teams can afford to have Zach Levine's money. You will be fine. People act like it's this simple thing of you have bad contract, you bad. It's so just remedial. Bad contract, you bad. It's crown eater mass for real. All right.

My next take resides in Houston. My hot take is, even though I don't 110% believe it, but would I be surprised if it happened? Still, yes, I don't believe that. So I'm just lying at this point in time. The Houston Rockets will make a run to the Western Conference finals and they will get there. will lose handedly probably too but when they get there they're going to be like oh my god we're just a few pieces away from actually making this thing all the way home let's go ahead and get another player let's go ahead and make a seismic trade and i think they're going to be the ones straight

for kevin durant that's not crazy that's not ridiculous it's not it's not i mean they've the kd to the rockets has been something that we've heard you know from from last season and i the the one thing that we are going to see that i'm pretty sure we're going to see is that houston in the playoffs is going to need some type of a go-to score yeah and right now right jalen green has has been able over the last you know a couple couple weeks he's been able to really elevate himself and really play now i've said my thoughts however if he continues to play the way that he's been kind of thinking these last two years no no no no listen i was trying to be nice you know what i'm saying But if he continues to play like this, if he can, if he can elevate himself to be that

go-to guy, cool. If he plays the way that I think he might play, then the Rockets will reevaluate and say, okay, we should go and outsource this offense. And Kevin Durant is, is the, he's the clear guy to where like, it's, it makes sense to move. Yeah. I think I was watching that game against Cavs, watched that full game. That was my game for the early slate to watch the whole.

thing of. I saw every second of Rockets versus Cavs. The Rockets were big in the first half. The Cavs came storming back because in the, mainly for the fourth quarter, they ran zone. They ran a three, two zone against the Rockets. Very aggressively. It was straight up. We're running this zone. We're hardly going to break out of it. And the Rockets had a tough time. Bro, and that's without Evan Mobley, too. That was a Dean Wade-led defense. They had a tough time. Tough, tough time with Sam Merrill out there owning the right side of the court. And that's how it's going to look at the playoffs, I think. They're going to come out to big leads, their transition defense, their transition offense is utterly ridiculous.

Having Amin Thompson, Cam Whitmore, Jalen Green, all these guys, sprint and transition, St. Goon's really good at bringing it up as a big man there. Like, they can come out to big leads because they can, points can pour in fast, playing that way into fourth quarter and teams lock in like that and throw them hard looks and dare them to beat you with shooting, as you tend to have to do against a three-two zone, there's going to be a lot of games with that where things slow down and it's really difficult. And that's why some people have, some people up here have a hard time imagining them succeed in the playoffs for those reasons with that with that type of talent on the roster I fully

understand it I think you're right I think obviously they need a player like Kevin Durant like it's just so clear the the match between fit and need like they need that exact type of player it's so clear that's the one single thing they need is a late game score like that if it's not Kevin Durant I'll be shocked they don't try to find whoever that can be yeah whether it's like Kevin Durant or who knows whatever else star player that's available i don't know like larry mark if he gets traded some shit like that like they need some tough shot maker i don't even know it's larry it has to be more like on ball who kill him like dearen fox yeah yeah dearen fox even that's better than nothing for sure yeah but they

need a talented shooter specifically something like you shoot off while and on ball then he won the sun's guys whether it's booker yeah and they even one of them yeah okay yeah i like that which is not um uh i think that the philadelphia 76s should move on from nicknors However, what have you seen this made you think he's been bad? However, no, not necessarily. Okay. Not fire. I think they should trade Nickners.

Trade him. Oh. Okay. I think that, I think, I think that the Sixers, they are in, they are one of the other teams that has a very, very good argument for worst vibes in the league. And I think that having Embed there and his injury stuff is. I mean, and I'm not even trying to be mean or hyperbolic. It's tearing everything down just because you are, you know, like centered around and beating his health and the fact that he can't go is it messes up your entire plans.

Well, also messes up your entire plans is the fact that you just gave Paul George over $200 million. And he's playing work. And he's playing like, you know, worth in Tobias. He's not playing well. Stuff. So you have, you have like $500 million or like $400,500 million invested in these two guys and it's not working. and I think that right now if you want to trade Paul George

to try and give yourself some type of flexibility not really going to work who's who's trading for Paul George right now he's one of the worst contracts in NBA that's what I'm saying right now who's taking that risk on on Embed no one they can't trade in beat obviously I think that I think that Nick Nurse

is a is a really good coach and I think that they can I think that they can move on from him Get a little bit of ass and still have It still have That's the that's the We're training humans in the year 2025 Holy shit

Coaches have been traded before Really? Yeah, Dr. Rivers got traded before Like when? Educate me in the audience When he's on the Celtics He got traded to the Clippers Wow, bro

I don't know how many of the times Did you know how disrespectful that it's just like Hey man like sorry I know you're not a player But you're getting trained I don't know what else And the reason why I'm bringing this up The fuck

I don't know what else the Sixers can do Trading Nickner. Could you think they could get like a first round picker or two for Nick Nurse? Yeah, probably. Yeah. Nick Nurse has more value than Bradley Biel. Oh, yeah. Wow, bro.

This is so new to me, training coaches. You have nothing, you have nothing if you're the six teams right now. There's, there's like, shout out, again, shout out Tyrese Maxie. Shout out Jeremy Kane. That's the, those are the bright spots. That's the sunshine that they have to look forward to. But you are supposed to try and be in like this win. That's why you went out and got Paul George.

That's over. That's done. It's like you are, at this point, you have to try and fix the damage of whatever these, these two situations have caused. And trade Nick Nurse could be a positive for you. We're talking about this on the today's episode that came out of Project 94. We're talking with the most disappointing players in the league this year. Talked about Paul George.

Talked about Joel and Bede. And I said, I think they might have the worst future in the league and no one's talking about it. They're kind of being glossed over because they're so injured. They're kind of just being ignored. they are just insanely fucked long term for all the reasons you're saying and I don't even know

I genuinely don't have a single idea or any type of perspective to offer on what they should do because if Joelle and Beat is gonna be you're not gonna get rid of Jewel and Pete he's a fucking legend for your team and he's done, it's not his fault but his body's failing him

and it's looking like the prime might be over you can't do anything with that you damn sure can't do anything and Paul George like you said your only hope is if McCain because of a star and you have maxi and mccain being like some version of like lillard and cj mccallum but even then like what does that get you like do you tear it down do it gets you i don't know it gets you like because even dame

even like dame is one of the best point guards of all yeah tirich max is not dave you know like neither one of those two guys it's unfair to think that if they if they become damian lillard all right all as well yo shout out shout out to you but like it's very hard to project somebody being the top 75 player of all time. Yeah, I just missed out of the playwise. Yeah. Yeah. And so like that's, that's very tough too.

Does the O KC own their pick? Unless it gets top six. Yeah. Unless it gets top six. They better pray. It gets top six and they get super flagged. That's a lifeline they can have. That is the, that is the, honestly, is the mission for this season.

Don't fall into the large, don't fall deep into the lottery. And that is the best thing that Joel and B could do. And for, that's the biggest, I'm sorry that he gave the front office. I'm sorry. He's apologize for his body. second yeah exactly bro and if i i think that like one of the worst parts about this is that at least last off season the six just did basically everything that you wanted them to do yeah you know like they they maximize the cap space as well as you could have done they've consistently

done the best thing that they could do and so like yeah and i would go back and i would still rate their off season pretty high now was i skeptical about them yes why for this exact reason but i still think that when you have you clear up that much cap space you you wait and to do all the all these moves for all these extensions you do to have an off season like they had last year yeah and it just didn't work out um but yeah they they have very very limited flexibility and think nurse might be the only movable asset in their franchise yeah i disagree with your take in terms of having them being like one of the most bleak futures in NBA because they have the ability to keep their pick. If that happens, the next two years

they don't have their pick. You have to be bad, man, though. To fuck their pick this year. I don't even care. Whether they keep it or not, it would be great if they do when they get an elite player, that could be the same ratio, right? It seems like they're really good at drafting, though. So I'm like, if they can get their pick, then I'm not worried about them being like the worst feature or one of the worst. Either way. If they get a superstar in that pick, great, all as well.

If not, they have $40 million in Paul George, $60 million in Joel and Bede. That is a horrible amount of money to get to people who aren't going to make you a good team and you have future assets out you don't have a young core outside of these two young guards who are very good but it's not a lot of young players

there's no clear pivot either way to getting better win now with these two old-ass stars and there's no clear pivot to rebuilding around a young core because you can't trade those young stars I mean you can't trade the old stars it's just a really bad in between phase

where all they can do is sit around and wait and hope you can't break their way literally all you can do is sit around and wait and just retool and figure out ways for Doyle and Paul George's to be useful in the future for towards this like new era of town that they're in the future Paul George is is

Paul George is in his mid 30s yeah he's cooked the future is assistant coach yeah exactly he's assuring his way into his new he's not going to be assistant coach you know he's gonna be podcasting you're right my bad ball game next team want to talk about he's going to be on NBC let's talk about the Detroit Pistons

oh it's got to be hard you this better be piping hot bro because I believe in them Listen, a lot of, apparently everybody believes in the Pistons now. The Pistons PR in the last, like, week and a half, two weeks has been absolutely insane. And I'm so happy to see it. I'm so happy to kick on him and get his shine. As everybody, I'm having to claim it because he was number one pick. Everybody likes number one pick.

I loved him. Everybody did. So it's not like a, I liked him first. I got a little scared the last couple of years when things didn't get much better. This year, he's becoming a star player that I always thought and knew he could be, that the world knew and thought he could be as number one pick, right? He's finally getting his flowers. So let me

We're doing this hot take by committee Because my hot take is he's better Than a lot of young stars right now That people are held above him Let's see how we can take this shit Because I'm ready I have a feeling I know where this is leaning into

I'm here I'm ready to take it as high as I can There's not seven, eight Maybe six players I'd rather have than kick cutting him long term I'd rather have kid cutting him Long term than John Morant Okay

I'll take it there Sign me off on that I think he's better than Palo Van Carrow I'll take it there Maybe that's the highest I need to go Mike's hot take You shut it up way high My hot take is Cade over Palo long term

Okay You shut your damn mouth Long term Maybe right now I don't know Now I gotta lock you That's too That's super hot

That's super hot that's super hot Yeah it's a hot take I mean I don't know But who else is on your mind Those only two names I have But I said I'll bring it out I'm going to hear more names Because I am feeling

Very confident in Kate Cunningham All right In this past week You guys know I've been concerned With the rim scoring Yes It's still not amazing It's been better

the mid-range scoring and his strength killing people in the post has gotten so much better I swear every five-game increment this year he looks more and more dangerous as a scorer and the passing has opened up more and more my concerns are minimal now they're still there I still think to him to become like a top five 10 player

he needs to be a better rim score so that's really the line there is I think he's going to become a borderline top 10 player if he can get the footwork better on the interior to use that strength better we can talk a little higher So don't names at me because I'm feeling good about Cade this week. Don't name say less, Anthony Edwards.

That's the one where I was. Because now this originally started it because I can get back you referencing one of our first videos. Me and you argued about Ant versus Cade back in 2022. Hey, fucking, never mind. Give me Cade. It's a hot take episode. Give me Cade. Let's go.

Cade over Anthony Edwards. Okay. I think Ant is turning the ninth best player in the league. Do I think Cate could hit eight? Yeah. If we were to do our top 10 players and then be like right now as we speak. Kate is like 12 For just this year

Just this year Totality Listen I didn't have my list When we did top 30 players Because I had him on like 34 He's easily top 15 If we were to update that list I had my 34 in December

When he had a couple weeks Again heating up But I was like I don't want to overreact To young players Like I did before I should have overreacted Because if it was sustainable

He's still doing it If we did top 30 today I would probably have Kada like 20 Or 21 Something like that Okay Just because you know It is still one year

And it's hard to be a top 20 player like i think i had jason brown like 19 or 20 yeah k's better right he's better than jellon so maybe jen brown's not a bad year so i love jellon brown i'm just like he's having a bad year so it's hard to yeah it's a bad name to throw out there i just every time jason brown's name is broad he'd be like oh this guy's definitely i had dame in like 18 or something like that k's been playing better than dame so kade would be in that late teens range if we read the list for me and this is the first year as a star and did it last year so aunt's already in like 9 10 11 range on how you weigh his weaknesses

because he does have real weaknesses. But he's been improving when it comes to playmaking genuinely over the last few games. I remember that game. I saw you tweet about it. I know. Yeah, that was a good game,

but it's still not super consistent. Yeah, I mean, just to see that grow similar ways, like to see that growth, just like Kate in terms of like how he's been improving in the paint, although it's not pretty used you want.

Anti-Awards has been actually developing over the last few games and adjusting to being like, okay, oh man, Mike is gone. Like, I got to actually lock in and see the floor and be willing to like get others in all. Yeah, maybe not Anthony Edwards.

Maybe won't go there yet. just because Cade still isn't above average efficiency-wise. Yeah. It's really a volume player right now, which is great. It's fine to be at league average scoring efficiency when you're one of the best passers in the league, a good defender, and can handle the volume as a scorer. So maybe not Ant, but after that, man, I don't know.

There's Wemby, there's Ant, there's... Shut home room. Oh, shit. Yeah! Gun to your head right now! Ah, stop screwing to my ear. I think I'll take Chet. But that, that's, oh, you're a fake demon. You're a fake demon. You're taking chat.

Really? Maybe. That's a tough one. That is hard. I mean, Chad's crazy. That crazy though? Me personally, I'm taking Jet. I mean, I'm taking Cade. I mean, again, Kate is like, for what fans are drawn to for a certain style of young player, he's going to be more taken seriously because he's a creator with a ball in his hands and people love that shit. Chet's going to be on a winning team for his entire career and it's going to be because of him. Ooh, he's so tough. Yeah. Cade's so tough But Chet is super impactful

But that's the line I think I'm taking him over jaw I think it's neck and neck With Paolo for me long term I think they're both gonna be top 15 players Long time can probably be top 10 I said that that's the trajectory they're on Yeah

Other than that he clears every young player That you can think of like Evan Moblee Scotty Barnes Like Franz Wagner of course too I don't know about Paul It's a little bit too hot for me Right now but I could I would not be absolutely shocked

Why is that what happens But it's a little hot for me right now because I've Again, they're both young players You saw those five games of Palo? Have you seen the past five games? I seen what you did in the playoffs specifically That's what I'm referring to you. I'm just like I have to see How sustainable? I mean that entire series was like rock fight so I don't know what to say to that

But anyways, seeing what Powell was done and just like the archetype of where he is that just screams like top 10 like lock top 10 because of bigger Bigger and like he's been muted his body more and shit. Yeah, that's what you want to say. He's just bigger. That's all he is better in terms. He's really, again, I'm not, they're both going to be top 12 players.

Can and probably will be top 10. He's just bigger, which does matter. I'm joking, but that does matter, like, in terms of his scoring. Palo's also not deficient score yet,

but I guess that's, that's where I can see it. I would take Palo because I think if you are projecting forward, yes, you can get there. But Palo also has the same thing where like,

you know, if Palo can get really good at the rim, then he can like really get there. It's the same kind of concerns where it's like it's just these these finishing things it's it's really a race who can get better at the room faster because whoever does they're gonna they're gonna be ahead of the other person because i think palo and what he brings like obviously yes was he shooting like a d-man in the playoffs yes but you know what i value that a lot me too but like it's a small sample size

i'm not going to get everything and it's like he's also obviously not in as good not in as bad of a situation as cade was in but it wasn't the most optimal situation for palo and he was able to still have some type of success. So I do want to give him credit for that. And so for right now, I think I'll still take power just because we've had a little bit more sample size deeper into into the, into the season. Again, it's not Cade's fault that the situation that has been trashed. Have we though?

This version of Cade is a lot better than Pallet was last year. And we had those five games to start this year where Pallet was insane. You came back from injury. I'm giving time. The roster right now is really bad. It's very injured. It's not, it's fair to say because it's just what's happening

He has not been as efficient His scoring went from And it's about two weeks From 30 to 25 It's been ugly But the roster's really injured right now There's not a lot to work with There's no Franz

There's no Suggs There's no Mo Wagner It's really really injured So I'm not saying It's like not real or anything But we saw a year With Palo made the Allstar team And this year

We're gonna see it from Cade This version of Cade is a lot better than Palo's last year I feel safe saying that If we see Palo come back To where he was His first five games for this year You can convince me

that Palo's better right now. We've got to see it. It's not a big sample size for me to say he's better than Kate right now. It's not a, yeah, it's not a, it's not a given to where, like, you can automatically say, like, okay, Palo's on a different tier.

I would still just take Palo right now just because he's had, he's had the opportunity to have that next level of, can you show me something here? And he's done it. And so I'm going to give him that credit right now. And also, by the time we get to the playoffs,

the magic should be fairly healthy. the big question for Orlando and I mean you know we I have the magic on my list so we'll go into this but like the big question for them is like can everybody gel we've been talking about that all the time and I I guess I said it before and I kind of teased it but my hot take for them is that like you know the magic are going to make the east of conference finals oh okay wow that's just hot take for me I'm I pray to God they get healthy soon I'm I'm in on I'm very in in on palo I'm very in on fronts I think that this team one of the it's like it's it's it's a lot of things with them the the fact that that when everybody's healthy right they're all cooking that defense is legit and it's it's it's

been it was it was legit last year and they're on here they are they are one of those teams that are extremely physical and can beat up a team and their style of defense works in the playoffs I think the way that like that palo showed himself last year in the playoffs I think that that's real. Franz, the three-point shooting from last year, clearly we saw that that was just a down year, and he was, I think he shot 14%. Like, it was something atrocious. In the playoffs? Yeah, in the playoffs. I didn't even know it was that bad. That's hilarious. He shot, he shot, it was a rock fight from everyone on that in that series. He shot, he shot awful. I came into the season saying if Paul, Franz can shoot like 32%, right? He can, he can definitely do more of that.

I think that Orlando has shown that they can go toe to toe with some of the top teams. I think that their style translates to the playoffs. And I'm banking on a little bit of growth from their young stars. I think that they are the team that can shock a lot of people. Yeah. I think next year they're going to be fucking amazing. I just worry that... Like one piece away?

No, not one piece away. They just need time to figure out the Franz Paladamic, both of them as playmakers. I think Franz Franz needs more autonomy as the lead playmaker. I think Franz is better at guiding half-court offense and creating for others

like he's a better point forward in that way. That's tough when you're, Powell's a better player because he's a better score for himself, but Franz is the better playmaker for others, I think,

which is weird because Powell is also a good passer but like that's a fine line to figure out how to distribute those touches when one guy's a better player or one guy's a better playmaker but they do both in similar ways.

That's going to take a lot of time to figure out, I think. with them both a star level like they were early in the season when's Fron's coming back because they need 25, 30 games to gel and figure out that dynamic

it's going to be hard to do that and also have Suggs there because Suggs also looked really good when he first started being the main guy with those two out when those three guys are all clicking together

I think their ceiling is insane that's going to be ridiculous top three big defenders who can create a little bit and can shoot that's going to be insane but are they going to have the time to figure out the dynamic

because that's not an easy thing to do yeah Yeah, and listen, I really hope they do because everything that they're saying about Paolo and Franz, like, that's why I, in my head when I watch them, like, they do fit because I like the way that Franz plays when the ball's in his hands. And honestly, one of my favorite versions of Paolo is whenever he's, he's off ball and somebody else is creating and he can just get the ball and quickly go downhill. Exactly. He's not, he's not in the high post area, taking 10, 15 seconds. He is, you know, put in these positions where he's 6, 10, 2, to whatever. he can use his frame to go to go downhill and get to the basket that's one of my favorite

versions of him and so that's why i think like yes on on paper it may not seem like they fit the best but they actually do yeah when you talk when you talk about like the best versions of them it really does make sense and so that's why that's why i do think that eventually it will click and i just think that it will click faster than what you may think because it's coming into the year we you know it was like them and the pacers that was like okay which which young team is going to take the step forward they were able to show early on you know and even throughout all the all the injuries their system their infrastructure can can maintain until like i i believe in their ability to progress i like that you mentioned palo down hills the best version of him that's so true

whenever he's the main ball handler with these ugly lineups with no talent he gets him he's a great passer first position he's not a great processor yet he needs he takes his time if he runs a pick and roll and they switch it he starts probing real slow turns us back to the basket it takes time to look around it's real slow real probing gets into the post he's so talented that he makes it work and he scores at a high level because he's just bigger than you has a shooting touch can make it work but it doesn't lead to like chaining advantages together to create shots for others he doesn't move fast enough of the ball in his hands yet i think to be the main playmaker franz is a really good at that franz process things a lot quicker that's what makes so difficult yeah because

when powell is downhill as a cutter or when it's it's an easy thing to process and he gets downhill with an advantage, he's fucking unstoppable. Like, how do you balance letting him get better at that versus putting the ball in Franz's hands who keeps his moving a little bit better? It's just, it's just tough. And that's, well, no, you're good. So I think that they can make the conference finals while figuring that out.

When they, when they figure that out, like next year, we're talking like top two seed in, you know, like that's, he's pushing even higher. That's the, that's the scene. When they figure it out, when they figure it out of how to do it, consistently, they're one of the best teams in the conference. But I do think that they, like, they'll play a first round, they'll play a first round series again to probably like the Bucks or the Knicks. They have the ability to beat those teams and then you get to a series with the Celtics

or the Caps. Obviously, very, very tough series. They're going to be underdogs in that series. I still think that they have the ability to do it, though. Okay. Okay. I like it. That's nice.

Let's run into my next hot take. The Washington Wizards. I believe that they will be a playing team, not next year, but the year after that. 110%. Okay. 110%. They're a year away from being a year away. Yeah, they're a year away from being a year away from playing team borderline like.

Bruno Cabocalo type. Cabocalo? Yeah, Bruno Caboclo. There you go. I fucking love Alexar. Dude. Alexar's so dope to watch. Are you so not good yet?

But you see, you see so many flashes where you're like, man, you're going to be incredible one I can't wait and he's like he is the main argument for this conversation right now because once he realizes like oh shit like defensively he's I don't think he's not saying is that but you see the frameworks of that he genuinely gives people in teams problem the way he's able to be a rim protector but also like a rumor but also on top of that too he can switch and switch through basically one through two or one through five one through five one through five and have like no rule issues at all he's Cedra McCullough once These guys, what was I saying?

Yeah, anyways, once these guys figure out like, oh, yeah, like, we don't really need Kyle Kuzma on this team. I think they have the defense. They know that. I mean, did they really? Because they walked up to him. God knows that. Fuck knows, bro. But back to my hot take, they have the framework and the backlining with multiple guys already to create a surreal defense.

And I think in order to create an actual serious winning team in the future, you need to have that. And they solidify that with guys like Alex Harrow, of course, and they have Balala, Kula Bali. And that is the most important part of the rebuild. And I think that alone with just naturally getting whatever it is, or it's Cooper Flag or Ace Bay or whatever you or whatever you can imagine, I think that's going to, their defense will propel them towards, you know, the top of the bottom of the Eastern Conference. Yeah. No, I fully agree. And I think a couple things like go into that one. The bottom of the east is obviously very weak and you can get into the playing

if you have a strong year. And when you see young bigs, a lot of times you just got to wait like two or three years until they actually like fill out into their frame and they, you know, start to learn stuff and they can start processing stuff defensively. So I'm, listen, that's big W, big W. I don't think it's crazy to think that the Wizards are going to it. Maybe I'm going to get this thing next year. Also, shout out Poole, man.

Pull. He's been hooping. We are 12 teams in. We're an hour and a half in. We got to speed this bitch up. Let's keep on. I just know this is like, damn, it's going to be a four-hour episode.

I'll go to Clippers. What you got? My hot take for the Clippers is, you know, you can look across every league and every league has their little brother teams. They have the teams that nobody cares about that just never quite took a foothold in the league and built up a fan base of their own.

And there's also teams out there that just, maybe they have a fan base maybe they've been around for a long time they got history they're just kind of lame they just like aren't a marquee team that people really care about whether it's the talent the marketing the branding the ownership whatever it is that exists right i think the clippers have a unique blend of both those things and my hot take is the clippers are the most sauceless team in american sports history across any league in north america sauceless yeah just having nothing going for them there's not interesting They're not fun to root for. They don't have good branding.

They don't have aura. They don't have anything of the sort. Okay. So that, listen, that's really, really interesting because honestly, for one of mine, I had the same take before another. Really? Really. We're going anti-drip for anti-drip. Oh, fuck it.

I mean, you guys, I want to know if your, your, your hot take is hotter. So I was, so I, so mine was the most aura list team in the league right now. And I see, I had the New Orleans probably. Oh, Asian de Pelicans are way more war than the Clippers. No, no. They got something to die behind. Gumbo. What is a, what is the LACA cuisine that the Lakers, that the Clippers represent?

No. You let's a day? It's a Lakers thing, bro. No, okay, so that's very interesting. In North American sports, across any league, point to me a team that is more sauceless than the Clippers. Ooh, any league. Now, it's too easy by saying in the NBA. fucking obviously.

Now, okay, so like, well, before, before this season, you can make, listen, the Arizona Cardinals are kind of, they're, they're, they're kind of up there. Like, they've had, they've had runs. And so, like, but like, they've been pretty bad for a majority of their, of their existence. I would say, are there more sauces than the Brooklyn Nets? Absolutely. How? Would the Brooklyn Nets have, just the New York?

There's like a, there's a floor that you. have in what is it in brooklyn's cool and they have good jersey got good coffee like yeah they're good uniform this but here's the thing the ceiling of Brooklyn is still higher like out of all the major market teams if you go to like Miami LA New York Chicago the Bay right all you know I don't know you know the coastal elites I think the Brooklyn that's right if you think the jerseys carry that hard they just on on the court in their history over the last like 10 15 15 years or whatever. They have nothing.

Well, the world exists before those 15 years. That's the thing. The Nets have history in New Jersey. They did some stuff. New Jersey. I'm talking about Brooklyn. No. It's the same franchise. They have a deeper history. The Clippers don't have that. Yeah. That's, that's fair. That's, that's really fair. Because the Clippers, the Clippers have one conference finals appearance in their entire existence, which is wild. Honestly, listen, the Wizards. They're up there.

The Wizards are kind of up there. Okay, maybe you're right. They suck. No, John Wall, no, no, no, no, no. John Wall saved them errors, though. No, no, no, no. Something that the Wizards have, or something that the Clippers have, that the Wizards don't, the Wizards have not had a 50-win season in, like, the last 50 years.

50 years? It's, it's something. They won 49. They have, they just don't win 50 games. That's not something that they do. Yeah, maybe there's some baseball teams. Maybe I don't know. Other Milwaukee Brewers, Oralist.

know they can help us with this kind of not not the bruce had i threw a team out there i don't know shit about baseball teams like that the bros have done stuff uh but i'm surely i don't know a damn about hockey teams maybe there's some terrible hockey teams out there that nobody cares about but as far as i know the clippers are they have the irrelevancy of the chargers but without the jerseys they're iconic they don't have anything yeah i'm i'm looking at it right now the last time the last time that the wizards won 50 games was 1978 was the 1978 79 season they They went 54 and 28. Since then, they have not won 50 games in a season.

Damn. The highest was 49 wins in 16. That's my Clippers take. So what's your Pelicans take? You think the Pelicans are the current least or in the league? Yes. Okay. Why?

Because the Clippers, everybody who goes there talked about how good that damn stadium is. At least they have the stadium going for them. I don't think that the, I think that the Pelicans right now have their future, their current vibes are very low I think that their future does not look very bright I think that their fan base

has not had a lot to be happy about over the last 10, 15 years and I don't know if they know where they're going I think the thing about the Pelicans though was that they're also the organization mind you and this is also a very very big thing even though that they are the clippers

and everybody always asks what the hell it's a clipper having a pelican as your mascot is kind of damn i've been informed that pelicans are low-key threatening that they're low-key kind of cool low-key nobody ever thinks about pelicans in that way though and so i don't care what you know the nerds on the animal planet say you're still a pelican it's very it's very very weird i'd rather be a pelican than a clipper though that's awful that's awful no but yeah so that that's that's my that's my take is that i actually think that like whether it comes to the future and we can actually move this thing to actual basketball thing like the future for the pelicans is also not very bright i have no idea what

their future consists of because you are tied right now to to zion and they're so many pieces yeah yeah they're fine their futures innately right because they have all their picks still they have picks reminiscing from the drew holiday trade still but think about what you're saying though is that like your future is very bright because you have the ability to be tracked And, like, they haven't, they haven't shown the ability outside of getting number one overall picks, picking in the margins or picking at number three or number five. It's not, it's not like a thing that they do. Yeah. Now, I think the heads in that front office just aren't the brightest.

Like, it's, again, I said this before and the past. Like, it's hard to find the dummies in the NBA like we could back in the day with, like, the Chicago rules or the Brooklyn Nets or whatever it is. But it's clear as they that they're like, when it comes to bright, like, it's hard. It can see clear as day that they are like one of the dimmest lights in the entire NBA inside of that front office. I want you next team. Oh, man. Okay. My next team.

Oh, Franz Valk just went back today. Yeah. I thought I saw him in shooting around. Yeah, let's sign it off today. Let's sign it all today. The magic are back up. Put the word out. We back up.

Nice. All right. My next hot take. You got to give me a magic jersey. Yeah, you do. The Utah Jazz. I believe currently right now over the last few years. of them rebuilding, retooling, being semi good, we really wanting to be asked.

They have currently do their rebuild one player who was an actual real building block. Yeah, I see this question about this. They came out against, it's not like, it's nowhere near as close as like Detroit Pistons ass whatsoever, but in terms of like, okay, you ask, cool, like, you're getting nothing, but you have hell of traffic. So, and we know who's running your organization. But what, in terms of like, what's actually on the court when it comes to the young players i'm not talking about con section or larry marking or john collins all those guys been

through it there kind of vets in this league the young players keante george geez see i don't want him he doesn't deserve to be a lead guard on any team in the national basketball association whatsoever i saya collier he's the only player who has shown signs of life of being like yo like we can rock with you i would say walker kessler like is a building block but they thrown him in every single, like, trade, or at least his names that have been thrown out in rumors consistently. And he added down your last year. I think it's hard to look in there a lot.

They're not actually shopping him as much, I don't think. Regardless, it's, like, hard to even see him as, like, a real building block just because it, like, the nature's position. He's just, like, someone like him is not one of the more valuable players in the league. So it's like they've done a whole lot of nothing in terms of developing the players that they have right now. Yeah, it's not a great young court. I think Kessler's good.

I have a lot of hope for Collier. He has been in one of the most inefficient. players in the fucking league but i think he has real downhill ability real passing chops he has real processing abilities i think he'll be good year two or year three whatever after that cody williams i haven't heard his name a single time since the draft and before the draft there's a lot of people that were doubting him saying he has a unique ability to disappear and do nothing on a court unique ability that's special that's very mean that's yeah like people like sometimes you forget he's out there like he'll just be running around

and that aligns uh maybe we'll see if philipowski can do anything in his homeland's cool maybe it'll be something i don't there's not a lot of hope yet like they are early in the rebuild but they really don't have any core pieces yet like they don't have an impressive own core right now yeah like at least with the detroit pistons you could say like yeah man like even though things are sticking together kate are still there or we got a jaden ivy who we're still trying to like build around jayden like he's a player who just is a player yeah we'll see though it's They're still early. They're really only tanked for like a year, year and a half.

Like they kind of played a little middle ground at first. And they can still trade longer marketing and more picks this summer. Yeah. They still have more future picks coming. So I'm not completely sitting there. I saw some people on Twitter were shitting on it saying they're like low key like a nap in one of the worst front offices. Nah. I'm never going to go that far.

But drag. Yeah, I definitely want to see some progress soon. Yeah, exactly. Like they have to walk away either from like, no, not either. They have to walk away this off season from like an actual young player who is a real building. Yeah. Build some type of course. See that's the thing

Their first tanking year Was the worst draft in the past decade So it's not If last year's your first year tanking It's gonna be hard to be in a good spot right now Yeah That draft just sucked So like shout out call here at 29

It's a steal but I mean even like When they drafted like Keontay Georgia So I understand What pick was it like 11? I think it was 15 Oh later yeah Maybe it was like a late draft pick or so Or mid to late

Yeah it was middle of the first round Yeah just not great It's not great stuff And mainly this like take resides a lot It's more, I'm applying more pressure towards Keanuth because he was the first young player in this new era. Yeah.

Yeah, they're not great. We'll do the next one. Let's see, one, three, five. Two, three, four. I have five left. Okay, I have like two left on talk about then we'll get to lightning round for one that I'm not super passionate about.

Okay. I have the Atlanta Hawks. Uh-oh. My hot take is fans of this team are the most whack-as fans in the league. I think fans of this team have no real hope, get no hos, that are just generally lame as hell.

And I think you look across the league compared all the fans, by far the most bitchless fans in the league. Right now, who got the best outfit on? Right now, lose you speak. I don't know. Do you think you're winning? Is that some kind of like. Can you do 100 push-ups?

A hundred's a lot. Can you do 100 push-ups? I can do 100 push-ups. I don't know if I can do 100. That's a lot of push-ups. Can you do 50 straight? Probably 50, yeah. Once I get to 40, I'm like, fuck.

A hundred's a lot of push-ups. I can do 100 push-up straight. By that metric alone, your take is a massive L. You know what this is, y'all? Projecting. Yep. Projection. Is that your real take for the Hawks?

Yep. I fully agree. What's your next team, Donovan? Let's go with the Minnesota Timberos. That's a fun one. At the end of next season, Anthony Edwards will request a train. That's not a fun outcome. God damn it.

There we go. I think that the Tim Wolves have insanely mismanaged this situation. And I think that, like, we've seen the decline a little bit of Rudy Gobert. We have seen... Oh, a little bit. Nice. We have seen Julius Randall be... Joyce Randall.

Be Julius Randall. And we've seen at this point, at least double-digit interviews of Anthony Edwards exploring why the Timbles have some of the worst vibes in the league and why he is not having fun playing basketball. Big vibes list for you today. It's very big vibes. I think, listen, vibes and identity are the two things that I really hang my hat on. Identity? Yeah, like, as a team, do you know what you're doing? Okay. Right. And so for the Timbles, to go from, to go from, we're in the Western Conference finals. We're getting new ownership. Everything's going to be good to, oh, no, broke boards are brook boys are buying the team we're trading cat we're about to be in the playing we have a

possibility of not making the playoffs at all i don't see a i don't see a way that this team as currently constructed can makes a leap to where they can be consistently in the top six in the west and obviously they're going to make moves in the offseason right they're going to tinker they i i surely don't hope that they are going to stay 100% stagnant but i think that we're going to get to a point where aunt's going to look around and be like Like, hey, like, what's going on here? Yeah. I don't know if I'll say he'll take a trade, like,

request rate by end of next year because he's just so young, but I'm with you on there. They're kind of screwed. Their only way to getting back to being anything relevant around in the next five years, I think, is Rob Dillingham. He's got to be a star. And that's a tough ass for a guy that's small. That was the move that they made, bro.

They, like, stood on all ten, more than willing to give away a next year pick to the San Antonio's first. He's ridiculously little. Like, he looks so small out there. It's crazy. But I will say, although he looks so small on defense, what's making me happy is that in order for small guys to be playable on that end and just being like, okay, he's not killing us is if you try really hard and you use that smallness, naturally with your smallest, you're going to be quick. And if you use that quickness on the court to just be there, be annoying, you know, being that in someone's face, that's okay. His shooting and is just bounce and playmaking, which is something that a lot of people didn't see coming like me.

is what makes me feel like okay he can be a real difference maker and damn near the saving grace for this team because he has that juice I don't know if you can or not I don't have a strong opinion either way yet hasn't been enough sample size but yeah he has to be and there's so much on his shoulders because if he's not dude rudy cab is taking a big step back he is just getting old he doesn't look nearly as athletic he's lost a step as a rebounder across the board lost a step in his rotations he's not nearly as threatening isn't shutting off the water the big the gap when he's on and off the court and how often teams are getting to the rimmed those situations isn't as big as it used to be. He's just not covering up as many weak defenders as he used to,

so I think while Rudy Gobert can still be good, he's a little more mortal as a defender. He has to be in a good situation. He can't cover up for four bad defenders anymore like he used to. If that's not going to be the case, and you're not going to have the DPOY behind it, then you have no stars with you. You have a decent offensive power forward

who isn't a good fit with your star and damn sure isn't a good fit with your center and a center who isn't elite as a defender anymore and is one of the worst offensive players in the league. You have a wing who has been disappointing and hasn't made a leap offensively. The defensive value doesn't necessarily make up for that. Where's the avenue for finding another level outside of Rob Dillingham becoming a star? That's all you have.

All you have is you have Rob and then you have a Julius Randall trade to where you can potentially bring somebody back in to help to help it. But like they don't have and dude, some of that doesn't make sense of what pisses me off is like, like, okay, if this season is like a throwaway season, if you're throwing away this, we're next in next year, whatever the length of Julius Reynolds contract is, like, why are you not giving Rob Dillingham the minutes in the run that he deserves right now? Because he's been kidding, he's been frying people in the G League. He's been hyper, super pretty efficient so far in his, in his short NBA career and what he's been able to show.

It just makes no sense why you're not developing that. And I think that's like been one of the biggest issues of Chris Finch and like, you're not, because you don't look at this team because this team didn't come into this year thinking it's a developmental team. It's a team that went to the conference finals last year and they said, yes, we can trade for Julius Randall, but we should still be able to contend for a playoff spot. And right now, like, they're in the playing, right? They've had, they've been rising up a little bit, but like they don't look at themselves and they don't think that they are in that window of, yes, we have enough time to give the young player all this minute, all these minutes

so that he can go out and do all this stuff. And it's just, it's such a quick, turn around and such a quick fall from where they were last year that and teams go through ebbs and flows and we always talk about how progress isn't linear and all that stuff so maybe they bounce back next year i don't see it happening and so for that reason i think and and can do a hundred push-ups yeah i'll give you a hundred dollars you do hundred push-ups right now don't do that i'm not doing another purchase right now that's what i'm saying that's so many push-ups i can think about that way That's, I've never even thought about doing 100 pushups. That's so many.

Dude, when I was 15 years old, I thought you ever do 100 pushup on command? That's soft you and doing it. When I was 14. Fine as don't you ever do that. I can, bro. I promise. I knew you say that.

But when I was like 14 years old, there was this push-up app. When I first started working out, there was this push-up app that I downloaded it on my Android. And the second that your nose hits the phone, it counts as a push-up. And I'll just be like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

Just nose to the ground. Just pecking. That's pecking. What team do I have next? Who turns it? I think. Just making his phone. Let me go.

I got the bricklinettes. Before. Oh, you want to go? Go ahead. Yeah. Before we go into our lightning round, I guess the team that I can talk about extensively is the San Antonio Spurs. Now, during our preseason predictions, I had the spurs, I believe, the highest. And I was like, yeah, this team's going to be a playing team.

It's looking at, they've been sliding as a blade, but it's looking like that's actually didn't come into fruition. And if, again, I preface my prediction six, seven months ago or whatever with like, Wembe being that guy, if he's truly that guy, again, I'm sticking to it. They're 12. If he's truly that guy, then the San Antonio Spurs should be like a top four three seed next year. Now, if the San Antonio Spurs also believe he's that guy, then they're going to do right by him and also find more pieces around him.

I don't know how long CP3 is going to be in the league. Who knows, but if they find another productive playmaker, a couple of them alongside natural progression with Stefan Castle has been looking great and Devin Vassoli's been looking better, then this team should be like a top four seed behind Wemby and Wembe should be an MVP candidate as well.

MVP candidate, you're damn sure, right? He'll be an MVP candidate. Top four seed, they gotta get another star. Top four seed is hard. Do you see them training for a star or drafting star or Castle becomes a star in year two? I don't know, but if it's natural progression, I'll go L take.

Top four is hard. They're not that talented around Wemby, man. There's a reason the 12th seed. despite being so hot earlier, it's hard to maintain that in this Western conference that even though it's been disappointing at the top, there's just a lot of competent teams vying for those playing spots. They're 12 right now. I mean, I don't know, maybe the Warriors bought them out

and they pass them up. Yeah. But I mean, right now it's 7 through 10 is Kings, Timberwolves, Maverick, Suns. I don't think they're passing up any of those teams. It's, I mean. It's really hard. I think that, like, I would want them to go out and get somebody,

but that's not necessarily, the way that they operate. So I can't put 100% of my faith in the spurs to go ahead and do that. But you look at the league every year and you look at teams that bottom out. Like next year, if Phoenix blows it up this year, right, that's another team out. Golden State, we already know that they're going to be out. We'll see what the clippers look like next year, depending on, you know, James Hardin's health or Kauai's health or whatever.

But like, the top four is a lot. Top four is tough, man. And I still make a leap. They have to make a serious acquisition of some kind of talent injection, which is definitely possible. They got to make like two. Yeah, a star or like a couple of good big improvements. They definitely can. So that's not impossible.

But if it's just natural progression, I'll go L take. But I think natural progression might include a trade. As though they're coming up to that point in their rebuild. So if that happens, I think you could be right. Okay. But it has to be a very impressive trade. Yes. All right, cool, cool, cool.

Next one I got is the Brooklyn Nets. I think my take for the Nets is the 2020 one season is the biggest what if in modern NBA history easily yeah okay easily okay that's too easy in NBA history ever word to Lynn Baez

shout out you the 2021 Ness of the bigger what if we're getting hot takey rip no I mean it's all that's all true that's all facts we saw when those three guys were together they had like some ridiculous

offensive rating they swept through the first round they were up to oh on Milwaukee Kyrie gets hurt James Hardin his hamstring falls off the bone at the end of that series and you see what I've been like you need a KD to have to be playing the best basketball of his career at that at that point so you know and obviously all the stuff that happens the year after but it just doesn't and like it's a what if because they would have won the championship that year easily so like that would it's say the what if is what if they say it healthy think by that way if If Kyrie never got hurt and James Harden never got hurt, that's a little different

because not only do they win the championship, if that went, if they win the championship, they stay together, they probably win multiple. Well, I don't know about that. I'm not done because because it's hard to think that now. They're on the path to win multiple because if they don't get hurt that year, James Hardin never takes a step back. James Hardin is cooked now and is a washed state as queer compared to MVP Hardin. He's still a good player, but he took a meaningful step back because he never recovered

from that series of hamstring injuries that started in that year. So if that never happened, there's no reason to think he would still be playing as a top 10 player probably. Bro, my hamstrings are sore. Those hamstring injuries are serious. So that never happened, he would still be at that level probably, or at least he would have been for the three years after that. Maybe now he'd be getting a little older, but he would still have like two or three more years of being at that like MVP level. Katie didn't take a step back. If Kyrie didn't get hurt, maybe winning Cures all and they don't blow the team up because of all his controversy.

Or even if he does, James Harden is still a star and they can get a more win now trade in here. And even if they do that same exact trade, you have Hardin, DFS, Klaxton, KD, that first round pick. Like, they could have an extended run. That would change Kevin Durant's legacy, obviously. The sun shit never happened. So they never let Matt Ispio to completely come in and tear down the team's future. You know that of who that affects? Luca Dant is he on the trade block?

Who knows? But yeah, I can sign off on one of the biggest, not fuck that, the biggest, what if an MBEast. The three players involved in that team and how. They have such big imprints on the last four or five years and often negative ways like with how the sun's history is gone that would change a lot

for Devin Booker, change a lot for that team. Maybe they get a different star instead that could change something for somebody else like maybe McCall Bridges is not. There you go. Probably not.

He's not a New York Nick. The shit just moves like they he certainly would not be in New York Nick unless they get him some other path. But the whole league would be different with those three players having different routes. Yeah man.

Rallad. valid i that'd be hot take yeah it makes it's not really hot take it's but it makes it let's see all right let's hit

I will talk on the Lakers before we get to the lightning round okay this is the last season that we will see both LeBron and AD in the Lakers jersey I hope so I hope so I'm over it I think yeah I think at the end

at the end of the year LeBron will probably retire I think I'm more on that train now than I was before and I think that the Lakers traded 80 I am so I tweeted this other day

I am so ready for rebuild I said it last year in one of the low points because it's a mid team that have ups and downs I said I low key think I'm ready I don't know it's no longer low key

I would like I would be very happy if LeBron James requested a trade today as a Lakers fan I'm ready for this team to be done and I know that the 5C

they're on the up and up they can be fucking eight seed by two days from now. You know who they're masked up with first round right now? Nicoliochish. The Denver Nuckie. That demon. I'm just so over it.

Again, I dropped that episode today of Project 94 about the most disappointing players. I talked about the LeBron stuff that we talked about when we did our disappointing episode like a month and a half ago. He is not a top 10 player. He might not be top 15 right now. He still has the abilities. He can still, he shoots similar in different areas, all these things. The impact play to play, he still shoots efficiently because he picks a spots more.

He shoots less and he knows his body and knows what he can do so he doesn't take shots that are not in his bag anymore. Still top 10. But because of that, because of that, you know, like reeling back of how much he's exerting himself, I mentioned earlier how when the sons have their three best players in the court, there's somehow have a negative net rating. When LeBron and AD play together in those lines

if they have a negative net rating, two top 10, top 15 players have a negative net rating when they play together. That does not make sense. That is a sign of a duo who is simply not elite. anymore even as far as early as last year the summer we were saying you know they still got argued with the best duo in the league no they don't the league has passed them by the duo has run his course lebron is not playing at that level anymore because he's 40 how could he be and

anthony davis he's kind of playing through a foot injury it slowed him down but nevertheless even if he was still playing at pkd they're not good enough anymore to carry these role players so i think at this point we're just reshuffling things around and hoping we get lucky and can maybe win a playoff series or two yeah it's over it's cooked it's been cooked and honestly like this we've all known it the moment they traded for russell westbrook the whole era was done um and like you probably could have the the western conference finals run against the nuggets shout out to them for being able to get that far for having a run that was actually that was honestly very very impressive if i'm being real right because obviously you know i was hailed on the lakers but like but if we're being

real to be able to change your whole team midseason like that and then go on that run and win two playoff series and do all of that stuff that that was probably the peak of you know post championship lakers era but it's over it's over you you spent your one really really good trade you're not going to get another package like that and now we've gotten to the point where lebron's done everything he's gotten everything that that he's wanted brawny's in the league he's played with him they've had that moment yeah a d ad i think has resurrected his you know his um his PR as well like he's no longer you know, looked at as, oh, this brittle guy, like AD has played really, really well, really consistently over the last two years.

And so now, if you believe, if you're the Lakers, it's the same thing that we said with the Hornets. If you, if you actually think that JJ Reddick is, like, a good coach, granted, you don't want to, like, you don't want to give them trash. You don't want to be, like, wizard level bad, but, like, it would be nice to have, if you are that coach, to be able to make this team and build that program. that you have been talking about for the last three years. I'm okay.

I think Rivers is level bad for a couple of years. Be the Wizards. That's fine. You have to be bad to be good. I've seen some Lakers fans when this idea has been floated. Like, do you really trust Rob Polinka and Ginny Bus to do a rebuild? Do you really want to go through that? You'll be bad for the next 15 years.

And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? You guys have the ability to go through. I think, like, there's some teams and this kind of like, I have another take, kind of build off of this. But you guys have the ability to be trash. Yeah. Because you're the Lakers and you're in Los Angeles. And the moment that you guys get to 35 wins, a star is going to be like, yes, I want to play for the Lakers. I want to live in L.A. and I want to do all that stuff.

There's other teams like, like the Tim Wolves, you know what I'm saying? Like you guys don't have the luxury of being one of the big cities, one of these like desirable places. And it's not even that a, I don't think Rob Plunk is a great GM. I don't think this is some Galaxy Brainfront Office who I think is going to do Sam Presti work and put together an amazing rebuild. I don't think that. But what do you mean? like do you trust them to do a rebuild do you fucking trust them to continue to make this a contender no they've shown us they're not it's over like the alternative isn't bad gm like the bad gmness

doesn't go away either way so you might as well do something smart and get assets and give them a better chance yeah i think one thing that a lot of people just tend to not give the loss and the clipper or the lakers credit for is that they are genuinely one of the better teams in the league when it comes to just scouting out young players and like rarely missing and that like they consistently find productive player after productive player and I trust them on that front now when it comes to like knowing how to leverage your squad and like propel them towards the top of it of the entire NBA that's where things get like dicey and shaky but in terms of just like you know being in the mud and just finding talent they're really good at that they do things that

a lot of NBA front office can't do which is just bare mental incompetency so I trust them on that front yeah but yeah it's it's wrapped for them okay it's over all right p man let's see the next arrow holds let's get a bunch of picks for anthony davis Let's start a rebuild from a place of strength. Let's keep it going. Guys, I have another hot take. And it resides over there in Cleveland. Okay.

Darius Garland has been the second best player for the Cleveland Cavaliers throughout the entirety of the year. After Evan Mobley? It doesn't matter how you want to slice it. That's how the conversation was really formatted in my mind. But after Everbroe Mobley or after Donovan Mitchell, whatever way you want to slice it, I think he's number two regardless. So that doesn't make sense.

Who's your number one? Number one, it's probably been Evan Moly. Okay, so you're saying Derrick Garland's better than DeMitch? Yeah. There we go. That's all I'm not standing on it. I'm just like, regardless, I think he's number two. You can say he's better than that.

If you were to have the conversation with Evan Moly, I'd be like, okay. Like, cool. Okay. I don't think it's crazy. That's not ridiculous. D. Mitch has been, again, I've said it last week. He has not been particularly good. This last game, he lost to the Rockets.

Yeah. He was like four for 18 from the field. He's not having a good efficiency. season and it's been glossed over because he's doing it and being unselfish for the betterment of the team and they're winning that is bullshit like sure that some of it in terms of all he's still taking them shots yeah he's just not making his shots sure he's taking less I'd like him to make more then he's not making as many shots yeah and that he's lucky that eva mowgli is amazing has taken a star leaf and darius garland's back and everything's good so nobody's talking about it if they

want to win the title he has to figure out how to look at least somewhat like last year's Donovan Mitchell. Like, they need that top-end star to have that extra gear against the Celtics. And thus far, like... And this game's like last night in which you hope to see that when they're short-handed. There's plenty of time when it's going to be short-handed, whether it'd be like a literal player is missing or like, yo, like, Dary's gone super struggling right now, bro. I need you to do what you did last year against the Boston Celtics.

A game by last night was the perfect example. Now, I'm not building my opinion just strictly off of last night. But I just felt like this is not the entirety of the year because when I see someone like, Daris Garland, who's been shooting lights out. He's damn near 50, 40, 90, which only a few players have done in NBA history. And on top of that, too, like, he is genuinely one of the seven, eight best playmakers that the entire NBA has to offer and his ability to go off ball along that, along that too.

He's like, damn near flawless offensively. Yeah, I will never get the, I will never get the image of Daris Garland out of my mind that is a couple years ago before they got DeMitch and it was just, and it was just D. Mitch and Jared Allen and like a young Evermobley and Garland had him as the four seat in the Eastern Conference and then everybody got hurt. They fall to the plane. They lose to the Hawks and the plan. But Darius Garland was hooping that year and leading the team. He was the number one option being that guard, being that lead guard. That never ever leaves my mind. So even throughout this entire time of Garland and D. Mitch and this whole era, like yes, D. Mitch has been

the explosive score. Shout out to him. But like Isaac has said, the whole time, it's very hard to play basketball when you are 15 pounds underway and your jaw is wired shut the way that it was for Garland last year. And now that he's back, he's just being the Darius Garland that I honestly remember. This is the version of Garland that anytime people talk about him

that I think of. Yeah. Yeah. Donald Mitchell is a much worse rim score this year. He's getting there less. He's shooting there worse. The shooting hasn't been quite as consistent. because it was amazing last year.

He's not cooked. He's not old and washed, but he needs to shoot a lot better. Yeah. Pretty simple. I do think it's like partly a rhythm thing in terms of like you're, you're completely destroying your offense from last year, which is like Donovan Mitchell-centric.

And it's more like we've been saying, egalitarian offense when it comes to guys like John, John Moran or Tri-Young, like same thing is happening over there in Cleveland. And their star player is facing the worst side effects of it for the sake of better team play overall. I get where you're saying that. in terms of practicality of how he's playing,

it's not bad different. I mean, again, he's doing less of it. So, like, said, maybe it's just, like, I mean, this is the lowest usage rate of his NBA, usage rate of his NBA career. Yeah, maybe he's just reps, but, like, the areas of the court he's attacking aren't that different.

Like, he's not ass all of a sudden to be a corner sitter. He's still running plenty of fucking rolls. There's plenty of lineups for Daris Garland isn't on the court and they staggered and he still does those things. And he just isn't as effective as getting by his man this year. Like, and what you're saying is definitely partially part of it, I'm sure. Yeah.

Like having more reps Probably makes him feel a little better The confidence is there But I don't know It feels that's such an easy crush To throw to all these guys When he's just not making as many threes And he's not getting to the rim as much

Because he's not The burst hasn't looked the same The reads haven't been as good Like it's more than just that Yeah Regardless of the fact Darius Garland you are so underrated To me in my eyes

And I still think you are You have been better than Donovan Mitchell this year Shout out man It's not Darius Garland It's crazy thing to say I love to see it It is now time for the lightning round for all the teams that we either don't have a strong take for

or it's a really quick one because it's just hard to fit every single team into a hot take format I'll go first I have the Celtics this one I don't really I put the 2024 team is better than the 2008 team

than the 2018 I think they would beat them pretty handily not handily I mean they're great but you know it's not hard for me to say that team is a better team alright okay cool take I don't I don't give a shit about it so don't know yeah cool take okay so wait

Real quick, something that I don't give a shit about, but I got a saber pass. The Toronto Raptors are trading RJ Barrett during the off season. Oh, you can go so high? You think they'll so high on him? Yeah, probably. That's a good take. Because with how he's been playing, during the first 17 games of the year, he's shot like 35, 36% of the season.

He looked like a real playing part, a real, like, cast member, a part of Skardi Barnes' movie and what Masay Jiri envisions. But over the last 18 games, he's been shooting 30%. He's back to, like, the normal. R. J. Byrd that we know. When it comes to him stepping outside of three point line. So with that being said, his season averages kind of tilt upwards a little bit, but in terms of like the perfect cast member for Scotty Barnes and what Masai G. wants, he's not that.

On top of that, too, he wants a bag and they just paid, Emanuel quickly a bag to 175. So it's like, someone has to go. That's kind of interesting. I'm, I know it's the lightning round, but like, it's kind of interesting because like, what team do you have a team in mind that you think like R.J. a team that has nothing to do with nothing right now lighting rounds you're going or whatever all right uh my first one uh the milky bucks i think that yannis in this option right now is very clear like yokic best player in the world i think yonis gets back into

those those conversations um after this i'll take i think that we have we've been denied two years straight of yonis in the playoffs i think i think yonis has the ability to get back into those conversations right now nope i'll take yokhs better don't care I'm just kidding. But yeah, no, Yonnes is not that far away, so it's not pretty. Yeah. John's going to shoot 35, 40% from the three-point line. That has to happen.

If he does that, no, no, all right, buddy. I promise you, the moment people start seeing Yonis take fade away middies in the playoffs, they're going to be like, oh, my God. Oh, he's different. Ooh, kill him balls. Okay. Oh, my other team is all it takes. My other team for lighting around.

Actually, I had the Mavericks. I couldn't think of a single hot take. Do you guys have a good Mavs take for me? Good Mavs take. I got you in terms of hot takes. and honestly, maybe not even a hot take. The Dallas Mavericks have the worst jersey lineup in the league. Oh, absolutely.

And they have to get rid. They have, the Mavericks need a full rebrand. 100%. Okay. 100% agree. Is that a hot take though? It's a take and we have it. And we have it.

Okay. Who else is left? Next team that I have, I have the Portland Trailblazers. I'm glad they weren't on my list. What the fuck do you say about it? How do you, how do you start when it comes before? The trip. Oh, hot take.

Go ahead. Scoot Henderson's good. That is one I had. I said Scoot Henderson's good and they need to move quickly as possible away from Anthony Simons. Yeah, this isn't even a hot take, honestly. It's just a way for us to mention that Scoo Henderson has been playing really well, y'all. Yeah.

Part of it is the three is going in now. It's three point, what's the opposite regression? I guess you can regress in a good way. It's just positive regression. There you go. Part of it is that. I hope it maintains because he's shooting like 46% for three in the last 10 games. But the passing looks pretty good.

I've caught a couple of the games. The shots falling from three, which is really making things easier, obviously. And the passing looks legit. I feel like the game is slowing down for him. Yeah. We held out hope all of last year. We said give him time.

This year started he looked absolutely atrocious. And we were like, fuck, I guess I was wrong. Maybe we were just early. Maybe we got to give him more time. Maybe we sold our stock a little too early. Because he's looking competent. And it's still not like star level, but building blocks. You've got to first look like you're a starter,

then look better and better. And the last 10 games, he absolutely looked like. a starting point guard so far i agree okay it's not a hot take just an observation but we're getting it's better we give you guys a little scoot mentioned than give you guys a hot take yeah that's fine my next team the memphis grislies they have throughout their history they've been they've been very very set on we do stuff our way right grit and grind we're talking about continuity they throw all of that away this off season they make a big move this all season i don't know who but they they they're they're making a a big move this off season they're bringing somebody

How many teams will we trade Kevin Durant to today? This is the third one. We allude to a Kevin Durant trade. I don't know, but the Memphis Grizzies, they have something up their sleeve, and they are making the trade so that them and the Oklahoma City Thunder are going to be the two dynasties out west

for the next seven years. Okay. I like it. Hot take, Jean Moran should play more than 30 minutes a game. I would like to see him play full starter minutes. Well, he doesn't play more than 30? Nobody on that team plays a lot of minutes. He plays like maybe plays 31.

No, it's very. It's very like, it's very like 2014 spurs type. That's why his numbers are down. He's really not so much worse. Per 36, the average is like 26 and 9 right now. Oh, okay. But it's 21 and 7 because it doesn't play 10 minutes. Yeah, okay.

Makes sense. Last hot take on my end. The Sacramento Kings are going to finish the year as a top 60. They're on fire, man. Shout out of Keone Ellis. Who would have thought? You play. You're clearly one of your five best players.

You put them in the lineup and you start winning games. Kevin Hurter, count your days. I'm sorry, my brother. Count your days. They're over soon. No, they're on a role. I don't know if it matters in a playoff sense, but I think I picked them to be the seven seed

of whenever we did a preseason rankings because I was like, how can they not be competent when they get DeMarre is changed for Harrison Barnes? And look, listen, it looked like we took a big L on that, but you bring in a new coach, you play your good players, you get some positive regression, like we said earlier. They look regular.

They look at a good regular team. They're winning a lot of games after losing a lot of games. Shout out, regressing to the mean. Yep. are you done with yours i've been done all right my last one the chicago bulls while they suck at at their decision you're going to say they're fun no okay thank god no not not that not that they're fun i don't think that the idea of building from the middle rather than completely bottoming out is a terrible idea and i don't think that every time that you

have to like go into a new era you have to rebuild so what i'm saying is i defend i'm not I'm defending their decision to be mid and build for mid. The fact that they suck doing that is not my fault. Okay, it's not your fault. It's not, it's not, it's not my fault. They suck and they, listen, who are you? I don't know who you are anymore. Defending the Bulls and their strategy for being mid.

Who the fuck are you? What did you do with Donovan? He's trying to see the light and he attend. It's not my, it's not my fault that they can't, that they can't. Dude signed one lease in Chicago. dudes move to Chicago for one week and now they can see it season ticket holder They start pandering to the home crowd

It's not my fault that they don't know what to do But the idea is not an inherently bad idea I think the fan base would disagree with you The fuck is in the Chicago water man The execution is bad Okay But I can see what they are cooking I see I don't see anything

I don't co-sign this I've been in Chicago for three months I haven't found it found it felt a single reason to give them credit like he has because you can't watch the games I got to watch them illegally how funny

you know how funny it is like that's definitely the team I've watched at least this year because league pass doesn't let me watch the Bulls and I have to go out of my way to watch illegally to watch the Bulls

I'm like no why would I do that like I do it to do my due diligence don't do it as often as most teams yeah yeah that's terrible

but yeah that I'm done and that's our lightning round we've given every team in the league a hot take like wait don't say it I think you found a new name and I think you know what it is so you have no we don't need a new name wait they didn't ban the shit same bann it man let's move let's let me ban it they ain't ban it but I feel like we should be ahead of the game ahead of the girl now we'll push it down the line

whatever what was your name you're gonna give it crown quarter that's what the folks crown corners what the folks want on the crown corner boom where's the test welcome to ticot time that's probably the quiet as you've been on the intro of ticot time i have no crayons i need you to me so it's like listen the set is not 100% yet it's like 99% damn no crayons you're king without your crown yeah exactly on a bar so first thing we're going to start with today NBA logo talk

we've done this over the years we've done a lot of them we did alternate logos most recently. We've got old versus new. We've done tier list of logos. Big graphic design kind of sewers on this side. Today we're going to do, though, I'm going to show you two NBA logos, both from the same city, one in the NBA and one in the NFL. And you got to tell me which one's better. All right. Two NBA logos? No, that's not what I said. One NFL, one NBA. No, you said you're going to show us two NBA logos. Does it be the first time? Yeah, you did. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. He said, I'm going to show you two logos. One of you said, One from the NBA, one from the NFL.

You're going to tell me which one is better. And you said two NBA? No, I swear I just heard. Maybe I did that wrong. Nevertheless, either way. One's NFL, one's NBA. We got to run the tape back. It's a cross-sport debate.

Okay. And the both are going to be from the same city. So it's going to be a little, each fan will see the two favorite teams potentially and we'll tell them which logo is better. All right, let's roll. Predictions first. Who do you think? I'll keep track.

Who's going to win more? There's 10 of them total. What's the way of the final score? What are the logos overall? I'm probably going to lean towards the NFL. I almost never look at NFL I'm like oh what is that almost never

I think the NFL just because for the NBA the standard is kind of just like basketball team name yeah we're dumb so you might you might get this I'm gonna go 6 4 NBA I'm rocking with this right I'm walking with NFL switch bitches next one the first one we got the Dallas Cowboys versus the Dallas Mavericks

listen as a as a as a diehard Philadelphia Eagles thing I can't say anything about the I can't say anything nice about the Dallas Cowboys. I don't want to say anything nice about the fucking Dallas Mavericks either, though. So we're going to rock in a hard place right now. The star is hard. That's not a good logo in left, man.

They're both not the greatest. I don't, I don't care. I think that, like, if anything, if you believe anything good about the Dallas Cowboys, you are wrong morally. Wow. Morally? You were raised incorrectly. Wow.

Sounds like I'm going to Dallas Mavericks. No, you guys are crazy. We're talking about the logos. You guys did not say anything good about the Maver's logo. The Cowboys can go to hell. What does that have to do with the logos? I don't want to go to hell. We're going with the Mavericks.

You didn't even break down with the Mavericks are good. I don't want to go to hell. What don't you understand? No, I'm okay. I mean, I guess the Cowboys logo is better. The Maverick's logo is decent. The idea of a Maverick is cool. I feel like it looks very early 2000s.

I don't think it quite looks timeless like they hope it is. Oh my God. I just realized an aspect of the Maver's over that's hard as fuck. The horse has an M. That's like a brow. Good job. Damn, bro. I ain't noticed that.

Every day, you learn something new. Now, I'm leaning towards the Cowboys for Circeville. Well, I have an agenda to push. I'm rocking with the NBA. We're going to Dallas Mavericks. Thank you. America, they let us down. Next up, we have the Milwaukee Bucks versus the Green Bay Packers.

See, you may see just the G, and you're right. But I see every high school football team in America that starts with the letter G. That's what I see. The most commonly stolen logo I've ever seen. Shout out to Grayson High School in Georgia. That's sord of God. So listen, we got history versus a cool-ass buck. Which way were we going?

Listen, this buck is, this buck looks mean. It is a good logo. I like this, I like this one. In terms of color scheme, I wear a lot of, a lot of, what is it called? A lot of like forest greens, my big green guy, and I'm a huge cream guy. I love earth tones. Cream all the way. Colors got me.

I'm going with Milwaukee Bucks. I'm going with the Bucks, too. This is a sweep because I'm going with the bucks as well. Do you want me to look at that book and I and be like, no, you're not the winner? You got it, sir. I'm picking you. The cream team wins. Shout out.

Two and O for the NBA. You're picking the NFL. You better hope for a comeback. Yeah, you're right. Next up. The Minnesota Vikings versus Minnesota Timberwolves. The Vikings is it. This is a heavyweight matchup, though.

These are both good luck at us. The Vikings got it. In a seven games series. That white man suez you? In a seven game series, the Vikings would win in five. In five? universe does yellow and purple move you like that in this universe i love yellow and purple personally that's all now the lakers are purple and yellow this is yellow and purple okay

there we go fair enough anyways anyways anyways no this this viking is lit like i'm i'm rocking with it what's lit about this viking that helmet is very intimidating what is it the brades it very it very much is we're going with the braids we can go to minnesota vikings just make it interesting Okay. The braids, the helmets, the horns, all of it. That man is ready for battle. I don't know if that timble is crying out of like fear or ready for battle. He's calling his big homies to jump you right now.

He might be scared. That's what they do, bro. He might be scared. You're right. They got strength of numbers over there. Yeah. But we can lean the bikers. They've been trash.

So they're supposed to. The numbers haven't been doing anything. I'm going with the Vikings. We're going with the Vikings. It's a good classic logo. There's no football on it. Every NBA logo does have a basketball. If it was just the.

howling wolf Maybe it'll be a little bit better But there's a lot going on On this crest Okay Okay so 2-1 right now NBA has a lead The Chargers or the Clippers

The Battle of the B teams I'm going with the Chargers You're goddamn right you are Hargers are in right now That baby I'm going yellow and that Life is a Chargers fan It's not fun

But at least I will always win The Branding Wars We have the best logo And the best jerseys That I can hang my hat on You will never win a playoff game But you will look clean While crying

You're fucking right And it is okay Okay, you're fucking right. You're fucking right, we will. Powder blue to the till I fucking die. Yeah, this one's a no contest. That might be the powder blue. It's a top five jersey in like in American sports history.

Yeah, the top two or three probably. History? Yes. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I'm not going to argue that right now because right now I'm leaning towards this. This is all I got.

Yeah, I'm meeting towards the charges. I can't sit on Justin Herbert top five debates anymore this summer. I got to take a break in that. So all I got is his logo. Okay. 3-1, NBA and Command. lead right now. No, it's 2-2.

Oh, you're right. Why did I fucking... Yeah, 2-2, you're right. Trying to write the agenda. That's what it is. I can't think. Okay, 2-2. The 49ers or the Warriors?

No, this is tough. It is... The colors for the 49ers, it's a great color scheme. The jerseys are incredible. The logo itself isn't necessarily amazing. And that's why we have to go with the Golden State Warriors.

The bridge is very iconic. No. It's very iconic. I think the logo is amazing for the... I believe in what I'm saying. Again, the jerseys, when you see this, when you see this like fully put together and you see the throwback jerseys for the diners.

With the drop shadow, oh, again, top five, potentially top five. But this is a logo conversation. Exactly. And the Warriors logo stomps me. The bridge is iconic. It represents the area. The color scheme is good.

It's cleaner. Why does the 49ers one have so many strokes around it? So many layers. It's a lot going on. Too many strokes. It looks very 90s. We're going with the Warriors. Yeah.

Okay. We go with the Warriors. What's that a three two? Three, two, yeah. The Battle of Arizona, Cardinals or Sons? See, this is hard. This is really like, this is the closest one that we've had so far. Man, I think it's going to be a real competition.

That's a good bird. It is a good bird. Do you see a lot of, actually, you know, a lot of teams copy that bird too, a lot of Cardinals teams. Oh, yeah. But then it's a good bird, but a flaming basketball that looks like a sun that's flying through the air? That's just creative. That's just cool. It's unique.

It is. Birds are a dime or dozen. There's like 65 birds in American sports. How many flaming sunballs are there? None. I guess out of uniqueness, and also they've been able to remix this sun a little bit throughout the years. It's a little bit more versatile than the Cardinals. I'm afraid I'm going to have to go with the NFL or the NBA on this one, man.

4-2 NBA? Listen, two more wins and we secure the victory overall. So we're getting close. NFL con clutch, man. Next up, the Chicago Bears versus Chicago Bulls. Bro, that bear stomps out the Bulls. No. Every day all day.

What? No. You like that blood orange? Blood orange goes hard. The Bears is a very good logo. I love the detail in it. They found a way to make a detail but not doing too much. The Bulls logo might be the best in sports.

It's not the best of sports. It might be. It's like Yankees Bulls. Like it's up there. This bull... You're misinformed. No, this bull is very menacing. More menacing than that bear.

Yes. Yes. Because you can clearly see the bull's eyes. When I look at this logo, I can see the anger. my bad that you can't, like you got cataracts and you reveal to the everywhere you have cataractos it's not my fault. You know I'm pre-pre-glycomic

I'm trying to tell you about that What are they got to do with me, man? It's the Chicago Bears. No, it's the Bulls. No, the Bulls got it. The comments will say 99% Bulls. The Bulls is an incredibly iconic logo commonly referred to as one of the best in sports.

It's the best color scheme you can imagine. It's perfect. The Bears, it doesn't, it's a seven game series. It's a reception. Expectable loss You'll never get embarrassed Losing to the Bulls is what it is It's because of Jay Cutler ain't

It's Jake He is the one who never was able To put up any quality wins For the Chicago Bears back in the day I love how Lowe doesn't follow football So he just picks out random things From like here's something from 2011 He said it from 2011

I watched Sports Center one time I said but what about Matt Forte? Listen listen Don't get me started in then days Oh my God But yeah I'm I'm leaning the Bears So All right we're going to Bulls

you're outvoted. No, five two. Five two. You better hope for a comeback. Are you, bro, this is. I'm about to start pushing an agenda. The Celtics or the Patriots?

I can't even push agendas. The Celtics got it. Oh, white and white crime. Listen, the Patriots, like, again, shout out to them. But to have this like this full caricature of the leprecha and have like, lucky the leprechaun in there, that's very cool.

I actually think I'm going to go with the Patriots. What? I don't, I mean, the Celtics. The Celtics logo is old and it's iconic. I don't think it's great outside of the history. It's not bad by any means, but the Patriots is sleek. I like how it's just the head. I like how the hat blends into this like trail that kind of looks like a flag.

That's a creative little thing. What's creative about the Celtics logo? It's just like a mascot. Like it's... And the mascot is kind of cool. Shout out the mascot, I guess. But I don't know, the Patriot is a little better. I mean, it is lucky.

I think I want to lean towards the Patriot's, though. Like, if you're telling me I have to root for a team, that patriot right there makes me feel like he's going to bring me to the promise land whatever that looks like for whatever sport that is

I'm going to turn that way don't let the fact that's associated for so many years of swaggerless jerseys don't want that distract you the logo is good no

no I don't want to do it you're not wrong but you're just not right so what is that 5 3 or 4 3 5 3 NBA still in a commanding lead just got to get one more

game point the Caval Lear Lears versus the Browns. This is a mid-off, yeah. It has to go to the cabs by default. Really? I'm not taking just the helmet. I'm not doing it, especially when you are the browns, and the helmet is orange.

That means there's brown in there. It's a secondary color. And you are the browns. I cannot argue. But you're rocking orange. I can argue. I'm not doing it. For Cleveland,

put a C in there. And this logo is worse now than it was a few years ago. They made it two-tone and like dimmed it down. I almost want to go to the Browns and like protest that what I hate what they did with the Cavs logo. Nothing about the Browns makes sense because like this logo is just that helmet. But their fans. But simplicity rocks.

But like the fan section is called the dog pound. Where did the dog come from? Secondly, they just, they just painted a mascot in the middle of their field. It's like a little. It's like a leprecha. Where is he? from they're just pulling stuff together they have they have no cohesive idea where is he from I don't I don't know what the Browns are doing I'm going with the

who are these elves yes I don't get it you got elves and dogs and helmets is too much too much you have no creative team and with that being said the Cleveland Cavaliers pushed the NBA to a victory it is now a six four lead the series has been clinched I mean six three we'll see how like we close it out but it's already a win let's see how big the win can become we get the Philadelphia Eagles versus the Philadelphia 76 years. Oh, this is an insane sweep. Obviously, the 76ers.

Four, four game, four game sweep. This, oh, my goodness. The Sixers win so easily. You know what? You all see this, and you guys see this on Super Bowl Sunday on February 9th after we destroyed Jaden Daniels and the Washington commies. Oh, my goodness. I hope you guys get used to looking at this logo because you're going to see it all summer

long after the Eagles win. Growing up, the first NFL team that I fell in love with and the first NFL game that I played with. Madden 08 or something like that I fell in love with the Eagles 100% how could you not for the sake of you I'm going with the Philadelphia 70s yeah no y'all won already like seeing you I've told you this before makes me happy I will kill you I guess that's a segment fuck all right be mo I will end your life you like killing me I'm going to say 26 here we go my message will be spread

And that's the end of that I died about these birds Go birds The next thing we're going to do We've been doing a series Of keep four Cut 4 type games Where I've been having you guys

You know Essentially blind ranked teams Are blind ranked players We're four of them You keep four of you cut We're doing a little bit different today I'm going to name six NBA players And you've got to tell me over under

Which three have over 10 All-Star appearances and which three have under 10 All-Star Papers. 10 is so much. 10 is a lot. It's a hard number two because once you get around there, how can you remember a difference in 9, 11, or 12?

Like, it's tough, so. Yeah. You guys see the cut line. There's three over, three under. You've got to guess who they are. I'm going to name one by one. I don't know how you guys are going to do this one. It's kind of difficult.

Man, I think what I'm going to rely on is injury history in my mind, bro. That's the number one, like, swinging facts. Good luck for me. First name, Alan Iverson, over under 10 under no Alan Iversing gets into the league in 96 he he has this is this is hard he fell off around 0708 so it's kind of like real close he has I know for sure like all of the 2000s he has he has I think he's out on 9 or 8 I think I want to go all of the 2000s okay if the line if the line is 10

if the line is 10 he might write fine we'll go under we'll go 9 okay for Alan Iverson is the first under we'll guess we'll guess the AI is under that's a damn fucking Photoshop come on why is it not working you're missing up the vibes yeah I think under is probably the correct guess and yeah they're just

this is hard this is hard they're all gonna be hard spoil they're all close to the lines So don't expect it to get easier. Number two, Russell Westbrook. I knew that I was coming. I'm going to go under as well. Because there were multiple years where he's been hurt where he had like season and injuries or whatever.

Yeah, we're in year, what? We're in years 16 of us. God damn, bro. The last four, he's been done. The last four, he hasn't been an All-Star. I'm sure there's two years at the beginning of his career where he's not an All-Star. He will start.

We'll go under for a while. Okay, only one under spot left. You gotta start getting careful. Chris Bosch. 10 all-star appearances? We'll see also during those he'll-le-dial days. Yes, I think they all were. We'll go over.

We'll go 11 all-star appearances for Chris Bosch. Okay. Wow, okay. That's kind of crazy. He retired early, but you better hope that he just got over that line. Chris Bosch was hoopin. He was when he was Canadian, but damn. He was Canadian?

Yeah. but he was I mean but he was because what they all played like seven they were like seven years together before they all got together so I mean he had to be an all star for at least like six of them I'm assuming I'm assuming he was an all star all four years of the heatles yeah okay I'll go I'll go boss Scotty Pippen played a long time I'm just gonna say over because you played a long time had a very successful year without MJ when he like dipped out or whatever I'm going over We'll go, he's probably like 10. I'll go, I'll go over. Don't feel great about it though. Yeah, he's probably 10. We probably should put Scottie at under, but I don't want to. I just don't want to waste all of our spots right now.

I mean, there's only two names left, so whatever you feel, like, don't. I don't feel great about Scotty at 10. Okay, we can put him in under 10. But, fine, we'll keep. Too much move. Let's keep it. Okay. Scottie Pippin, you're over.

You don't feel good about it. Next name. Magic Johnson. Over. Keep in mind. For dumb long. Cooper ended early. Yeah, but he said to the way.

But he also got, he also got that honorary All-Star. Yeah. Over. I'll go over. All right. Magic Johnson, you get the last overspot.

Last name on here for the third under spot. Got Dwight Howard. Yeah, I'm going under for sure. Yeah. I'm going under for sure I actually don't feel Do you feel great about that?

Yeah because the PR on him Once he left Orlando It was garbage Like it was just disappointment after disappointment Because when does the Dwight When does the Dwight Howard fall off Officially start? Because I think the PR

2016 Yeah the PR falls off like midseason For the Lakers when they were like bored Like when they just had left He had left after that point Because he because in 2015 he signed with the Rockies So he's in he's in Houston 15 and 16. I and then he's a Charlotte Hornet. He wasn't an all-star and then he was a hawk. He had one also year at the Rockets second year didn't go well. Yeah, so he had 12 years. I'm going under easy. He had 12 years from draft to a second year with the Rockets. Under. Okay, we'll go under for Dwight. Easy. Yeah, it was decided for you anyways, but Dwight is last under. You guys got four out of six correct. Okay, that's good. That's positive. Who do? Pippin was under and Westbrook was over. I mean, and Iverson was over. Yeah.

Iverson had 11. Pippin has seven. Wow. Only seven. Interesting. The six rings and I guess that one year whenever he was MVP level. Yeah.

Wow. That was when they was out. Okay. Dwight has eight. Westbrook has nine. Pippin has seven. Magic is 12 and then Bosch and Iverson both have 11th. That's so interesting as fuck to me, man.

No, he was a lot. It was the east in 2000s. He was running it up. That is true. I'm trying to think of all the... I think he got one the year after LeBron left, too. Then he... Oh, when they were like.

like surprisingly good and they had like they're running what's that white boy Tyler Johnson there we go oh my god Tyler Johnson does mr. Roberts is he white I know he's like he's like he's like Tyler hero I know he's white but is he white he's white he's white he's not Lonzo white he's like Tyler hero white okay he's what Tyler hero is like trying to be like he's like next level like okay like I always thought he was light skin technically no he's white yeah shout out Tyler Johnson that's a fucking name yeah he's a demon leftie bro Conlon Johnson, Josh McRoberts. Yeah, those are the days.

Okay. All right. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to do a blind tier list. D.L. Waiters. I'm on this website. Hoop Goat. It's the one we used last week for our tier list for the contenders. They have this little feature on here where you can do blind tierless.

Never tried it before, but let's give it a try. Interesting. The top tier only has one spot next two, then three. It's like a pyramid. And you got to see how we can do it. Okay. I've never known sports. Interesting concept.

Blind tierless. Not knowing the topic, right? This shit might make me mad, bro. Let's fill out this blind NBA tier list. Where are we going, Magic Johnson? I feel like we got him from magic. He's like a goat. So he's in like the orange.

Yeah, probably second tier. Yeah, probably second tier. Yeah, because tier one, where there's like, there's like five or six players you can say are better than him. Okay. Yeah. He's definitely not going lower than tier two. Yeah, I agree.

Stefan Curry. They're basically the same. Yeah, they got me together. But I think Magic Johnson, He's more often grouped in with, like, LeBron and MJ and Kareem than Steph Curry is. Why are we going on how good they are or all-time rankings? If we're going on skills. I think all-time rankings.

That's what I'm thinking of. What do you guys want to do? It's up to us. I think that when you talk about them, they just always have to be together. I want to do this based on how good they are at their peak. Not necessarily all-time resume. Steph has to be right next to it. Magic to me.

Of course. If that's the conversation, then sure, like how good they are at their peak. Let's do that. Next up, Alan Iverson. He won two or three. or four he might be at tier four seems like it's all legends so we could go three or four we'll go four okay four shout out a i though yeah listen everyone's great here bill russell again shout out bill russellute salute tier four listen we're doing just peek not resume we'll go tier four wait wait wait i actually

shoot oh do like heme alajuan three tier three for sure yeah yeah listen i yeah i feel like we should we probably should have put bill in tier three really it'll be okay yeah Kobe bry again again 2-3 right next to hakeem yeah i think bill's fine being tier 4 listen hakeem has a case for tier 2 so stuff larry bird do you want to go number one you can say he's a little bit better than magic would you rather say he's better than magic or worse than curry i would say he's worse than than curry that doesn't feel good saying that does not feel good saying i'm not confident saying that it's safer to put larry at the top of this rather than put larry at three

what if lebron's on here though we got to lebron tier 3 yeah exactly that's just the roof that we got to take i'd rather put larry next to kovian I think yeah same doesn't feel good no but we're here let's do it we ball oh didn't go through okay come on we don't ball she is he it's a sign Nicola yokets tier four oh yeah definitely not number one yeah Tim Duncan who tier one we can't go we can't here one it has to be there's a gun to our head right now what are we gonna do I'm going I'm going to one What if there's LeBron and Jordan?

He's closer to Tier 1 than he is tier. He's closer to like LeBron Jordan Kareem than he is to Yokish Bill Russell? Yes. No. How dare you? We'll go Tim Duncan won if there's LeBron James and be very mad. We'll do it. Kevin Durant.

Oh, yeah, a dove's a dove. A dove's a dove. You got that one. We did it. Wow. I tried to tell you about my quiet goat. Respect him. It worked out.

The casual was going to hate this, but. I think we actually did pretty good What would you change? I mean, Larry Bird I'll probably have him above Curry Yeah, I'll have him above Curry That's very, yeah It's very debatable

Yeah Yeah, it's fine, the top six Honestly, I think it's low-key perfect Yeah Yeah, like Larry Bird could be Tier 2 obviously I think Larry Bird, Hakeem, Curry, and Matchett Johnson

are all very interchangeable Yeah, Hakeem is in a perfect spot I like this Hey, we fucking cooked. How about that? We got to do this more awesome. Shout out hookup blind tier list. We'll keep doing these.

They're fun. I like that. It feels good to win. Yeah. We never win. We never win any of them. We always get screwed. I'm so happy.

But we always get screwed because you're making the blind tier. It's your fault. I always screw you on purpose. Oh my God. I wasn't. I had the screen recording on the wrong screen. Oh. They were looking at.

Oh my God. They weren't looking at the. So you had to. oh my god y'all it was supposed to be on this the whole time i'll recreate in the edit to make sure you guys see everything right i'll go in and i'll animate it myself but this was the screen we were looking at this is the site hoop goat this is what we're this is why we're referencing this like pyramid thing okay they're like what these guys talking about you guys won't be able to tell because i'll fix it for you but this is what we're

looking at damn okay smooth we still cooked that's hilarious okay next up We are going to talk about I love that bird We're talking about young players in the league And I'm going to name two young NBA stars Or just two NBA stars in general And you're going to tell me Who's going to be better in five years

Okay Projecting to the future five years from now Who you expect to rank higher Okay First off Cade Cunningham Or Palo Bancaro We just talked about this

I'm going with Palo Bancaro I think that Palo Paolo scoring ability at his size And at his strength is going to be able to lead a team, be option one, all that stuff. I'm going with Palo right now. I can't confidently say that, but I'd rather lean towards Paula right now. I've seen him thrive just based off of what he did in the playoffs last year.

I've seen him in a situation. I see he looks like he can genuinely lead a team as the top dog, number one guy. And we've had questions about Cade and whether or not he can be like 1A. They're both very flawed. We both have to say, who do we expect to fix their flaws? and hit a higher ceiling I guess you can feel good about Palo hitting a ceiling

it's probably Palo ceiling is higher I feel better about Cade hitting his ceiling so his four is better yeah well I just not necessarily that it's like the realisticness

of their ceilings and who's more likely to hit it Cade but I think if Palo hits everything right and fully maximizes the size is a dominant rim finisher with some shooting with defense yeah you can be a little higher

we can go Palo we can go the ceiling pick pick the bigger guy who has a rare combination of size shooting and passing that's fine okay next up uh anthley edwards or nikoli yokic do you think aunt will pass up 35 year old yokech nah 35 year old yoke's still probably gonna be better yeah yeah 35 is old the only thing that worries me is like obviously he doesn't have a ton of quickness but the slight quickness that he does that he does have like once it goes that's gonna what's the defense gonna look like when he's 35 shit

Yeah, that is true. With that being said, I'm going to Cole Yolkich every single time without fail, no matter what the objective is. Go ahead. Nicole Yokic, congratulations. Take Yokic. There we go. Nicole Yokesh.

You got it. Victor Wibon Yama or Trey Young, but he's allowed to use a taser on defense. What? Trey Young with a Taser. You still know that it's Wemby. No, it's not. No weapons, by the way. Taser?

Do you understand? Have you been shocked at the taser before? Do you have I'm going right now? Have you? I don't want to talk about me right now. I've been through some times, trials and tribulations. Okay, fair enough. No more details will be asked.

Trey Young with the taser for sure would win. What's the hardest you've been shocked before in your life? Trey Young is shooting 40% from the field this year. But you give him weapons. Let's talk about Trey Young over the last 15 games. That's the real Trey Young. Why? And you give him a taser as well?

Why? Okay. Next dream. TD three Tuesdays we're gonna have a challenge hundred pushups and I'm gonna see how you two feel with a taser listen I'm going with the goat I'm going with you guys oh my god bro all right babe baby go we need a little more serious ammunition on tray side we're gonna give him the weapon advantage okay the new the new Louis Vuitton down yeah that's one be son Williamson or Janus give me Janus bro give me 35-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.

35-year-old Janus or 29-year-old Zay-old. Give me 35-year-old Yonis. Even though he's not going to be like as explosive as he is, he's still going to have above-average expulsiveness and athleticism just because he's honest. There's still be huge. He makes no sense. I'm going with Yannis.

I'm trying to keep it tame. There is no world in which Zion is better than Yannis. What do you say to me if I look at you guys and I say, I want Zion. If you say what? I say fainted universe, the Martian of the death being pointed at Earth. I want Zion Williamson.

I got to go to Mars. I got to switch planets. He's not going to be better than Janus. Fine. Jalen Green or a men Thompson? Let's talk about who's better right now. What are we talking about? Yeah.

We're talking about a man Thompson. Yeah, I'm taking a men Thompson. 110%. Now, I understand Gillen Green's game looks more. appetizing the thought of it is the highlights are clean but if you're actually looking at all 47 minutes of the game

I'm definitely taking it to look at Geline Green's saying hmm who says that his highlights his game is nice bro I want a piece and whoa hey I'm talking about the heads of the bones twins what the fuck we'll go to men Thompson

a men Thompson ceiling is ridiculous he might be better now he'll certainly be better in five might he is there you go that's what I'm saying Luca don'tshish or Shea Who's gonna age better with their game Similar age They are

There's pros and cons when it comes to Like things about the game That's never going away Lucas passing just can't go away But also like She's ability to shoot that well It's not by the way I'm going to say

I think I'm going Luca You see She's an age better Yeah His own main Yeah yeah why I think that I think that Shay She's already better

Defensively So I think even whenever he ages I think he'll still be able to be in in position And like you know Be a good like team defender And be able to pick his spots defensively And being able to get to To your spot

But Luca kind of has an old hand game right now He's not moving real fast In five years like 31 32 I'm going to look at Donjit Still being his prime Yeah I'm thinking more 35 All right I'll go look at Yeah okay

If it's 10 years maybe Jared McCain or Tyler Hero Hmm Tyro is an all star this year bro Yeah so like a guy that might I mean he might be It's gonna be tough But he might sleep into an all-star game

So basically do you think Jared McCain can be better Do you project to be better Than a guy who's like barely an all-star? I don't know listen It's hard to be an all-star It's tough 25 points per game is a lot Five assists, five rebounds

It's not easy Tyler Hero's playing really well I'm gonna go Tyler Hero right now Okay that's a safer bet though Yeah Do you think Jared McCann in the All-Star ceiling is the question, basically? I think he does. Yeah.

So I think I'm going to lean towards. Yeah. With the situation, look, over there in Philly, they're begging in. They better hope you. What the fuck? Yes, they're going to give him the opportunity to hit. So I'm leaning towards Jared Becane. A lot to see it.

Yeah. I'm going to tell him. Well, my cat came in yelling. You know like that thing. John Morant or Chet Holmgren. It's Ted Holmgren. We can talk about right now. We can talk about five years from now.

Fuck. Right now. Now, Josh, I'll probably a little bit better. Come on now. But listen, the gap is closing every year. Come on. Yeah, I'm leaning towards, I'm leaning towards check. That white man is dangerous.

Oh, my God. I'm taking chair hungry. That was so much passion. I just don't trust John's ability to be healthy, but also it's like, yeah, this motherfucker's injury. Hold on. Hold on. I didn't know this. Is, does he have a beard with no mustache?

Yeah, that's the drip for him. Oh, my God. I might have to reverse my pick. What's wrong with that combo? You know, like, Oh, my God. That's one of the worst combos that you can have. Oh, my God.

Listen, there's a very... During the first year of this podcast, I had a beard and a mustache. I probably hated it. I don't remember what it looked like, but I bet I hated it. Listen,

there's a very small, like, group of people who can get away with that. Me. And it's like... But, like, it's not a style that many people can pull off. So does your goat not rock that? Is that what your goat?

Does he not rock that? I mean, he's not my goat. Well, he's my future goat It's a mini goat That's the last one we got Okay Yeah, I don't know what John Mrenz is Athletic point guard who throws his body around

Gets hurt a lot as is as a young guy How is it going to translate When he's more groundbound? Yeah, I'm leaning towards Chad bro Like his ability Can he play Rudy Go bear level defense While he was being able to shoot When he's like 30, 26, 27 years old?

He's like 22 years old Yeah, 27 and five years Yeah, it's a third day, yeah This is easy. I forgot. All right, man. So that's that. Next thing we're going to do.

Actually, the last thing we're going to do, you know, when we were here in person last time, we did a little game where we have cut out the players. We put them on our forehead. We saw who can guess each other's player first. True. There was allegations of me having an unfair advantage because I picked out the players.

Absolutely. These allegations are true. Somebody asked to do the work. So this time, to make it a little easier or harder at myself, I, one, sent it really at random, 20 names. I have a folder of pictures. I just picked 20 and did more than last time. Last number's 10, now there's 20.

So I don't know. I don't remember who the fuck is in here. So great. No advantage this time. I'll take one from random. There's double side tape. Go ahead and grab one. Grab one and hand it to him.

Oh, grab one and then. Just sanded him. And then, put off the other side tape. Close your eyes. Put it on your forehead. You guys know how the game works. We got three plays. players on our head you see it let's see who can guess the player on their head first asking

questions one by one wait more attention okay okay fuck man is my player a star yes okay okay is my player a guard no no okay okay resounding no do I have a current player you do yes is my player a ball handler Not necessarily. Okay. So if it's yes or no, is it yes or is a no? It's like it's 50-50. Yes and no. Okay.

I would say the, when you mainly think about him, no, you do not think of him as a, as a ball. Yeah, like, okay. The top highlights of his career is not ball handling anything. I'm a star that doesn't ball handle. Okay. Okay. Is my player playing right now? No.

Oh, shit. Is my player going to make the All-Star team? Yeah. Yeah, it's a debate. No, I'm kidding. Yes, he's certainly an All-Star. Is my player playing today? No.

No. Okay. He can ball handle a little bit. He's a finisher. Not playing today. Okay. My player is not playing today, and he's not a guard. Is my player a center?

Yes. He is. Okay, cool. I would have assumed that personally already if I was you, but. All right. So I have a current player who's going to make the All-Star team. is my player a guard No

No Is my player funny Yes Is this Charles Barkley No He shouldn't He just went ahead and You get skipped though next time

No I don't You didn't answer You get to answer me You ask two questions I'm gonna ask you questions Okay We're not gonna ask you Exactly who wins really

All right Is my player Shack No. Damn. Bozo. Is my player in the Eastern Conference? Yes.

Did my player thrive in the Western Conference? Yes. Is my player... Tamama, I'm trying to think, trying to think, trying to think. West Western Conference... Weston Conference front court player. Is my player a center? No.

No. All right, your turn. Do my player play most of his career? Is he most known for playing the Western Conference? Yes. You guys better get it I think I know my player Okay, is my player Yalmi

No Damn, bro That'd be funny For his Yombe Fuck He looks very much Not like Yel Ming I'll say that

I'm trying to think I think he might look The opposite of Yelming Okay All right I'm trying to think You have to win this You're gonna get it right now

I'm almost certain I know it Is this Kevin Durant? No That was a good guess though We already told you It was Eastern Conference Yeah you

You went Western Conference for some reason I was like less I was like Is this Blake Griffin? It is Let's go Only funny guy That's a finisher

I don't know why I went I don't know why you just switched I was like okay Folded Fuck Very opposite of Yow I asked

I don't know why I did Yeah I was like Should be just a witness Like His mental Just slowly losing him It's like The age is happening

You should have got it really easily too If you knew it and known It was each of office Yeah I was like Okay buddy That is crazy You said Westville

You guys are going to reveal it now Is this Janus It's Jason Tatum Damn My player didn't play To the job Just pull it off We're getting over

Wait one last guess Oh I see it Yeah I would have never Not Yohman You were from Shaq to Yalming I was like That's a joke I was thinking like early 2000s

I should have went deeper Alright let's do another one Damn Eyes are closed I don't know why did that. Kevin Durant. Ready?

Feel the bottom? He said no. Oh, nice. I said, what the hell? Okay. I won last time. Do I have a current player? No.

No, you do not. Has my player made an All-Sart team? Nope. No. Oh, that's fast, okay. Do I have a current player? You do? Yes.

You said no to me at a current player? Yeah. Do I have a Hall of Famer? yes yes you do okay is my player playing today yes is my player going to make the all-star team no

certainly the fuck not is my player a good defender trying to ask unique questions boring for all the same thing he has a reputation of being a good defender Hall of Famer reputation being a good defender reputation of so okay

you said too much okay there's only one player I think about what I think about bad reputation go there's my player play in the eastern conference yes yeah not an all-star eastern conference playing today trying to trying to think trying to think current player and it's a hell no for the all-star so so it's a god no try trying to does my player play in the eastern conference he does i'll remember that this time you said that reputation of a good defender So in one player I can think of

That's reputation better than his good defense Is well I said that all backwards There's only one person I can think of whose reputation is a lot better than they really are Is this Kobe Bryant? No No Damn wait you think Kobe's defense is like overrated He has so many all NBA teams that he did not deserve I mean all defense teams

His defense was so gas because of 2000s voters didn't know what the fuck they were looking at Wow random Kobe hate That's that's commonly said Wow okay It's common Kobe hate Okay Okay He's like a nine-time

all defense you know how many nine times is crazy because he's locked down is my player a starter yes yes oh he's a starter nice eastern conference but he's not an all-star eastern conference is definitely not going to make sure which means that he's probably on a bad team is it jordan pool no no is this a guard yes yeah guard with the reputation is a good defender hall of famer all right go ahead mo okay my player hold yourself okay damn he's not not an all-star he's a starter and i think you plays for the eastern conference i think i asked that damn i kind of have to get this soon you do arles is fucking over for me okay and he's not a fucking and he's a starter okay cool is this derrick white nope no damn shot in the dark um all right so my

player's not going to make the not going to make the also team in the east of conference but they are playing what question do i want to ask next is this player a starter yes yeah do my player play with a controversial figure I mean everyone back then was controversial don't know no please don't know my player play with nasty man yes yes you you know I know it you better figure this out all right all right all right you got a player he who he's a starter in the Eastern Conference and not a fucking all-star Damn, I should have asked if you what position.

You got one guest left, you better fire. Okay. Yeah, I'm really fucking cucks right now. Is this Jalen Suggs? This is not Jailen Suggs. Is this? I'm Cubs. Bam, at a bio.

No. No. I have John Stockton. Yeah, we got to nerve this game, bro. You said reputation for a good defender. That screams to me. He's not actually a good defender. Yeah, we slander him.

So I knew it had to be either Stockton or Kobe. I'm kidding. He knows too much. much. He knows this game too much. I picked the all the wizard. Yeah, you picked Jordan Fool. Yeah, you were close. Oh, this is Kate.

I wanted to pick Kate so bad. Fuck. That was funny. You said, why you say no All-Star so fast? They're like, technically hasn't, but I bet you think about him as an All-Star. Yeah. Let's do one more. Oh, this one's flipped over.

Donovan Mitchell got revealed so we can't use Donovan Mitchell. Damn, light skins. I'm 0 for two guessing light skins today. Oh, so remember last time we did this, there was allegations. Someone said I was looking this way to look at the monitor. there's no monitor i can't i can't see our camera on the monitor all right i think i got my player last time you guys called me a cheater and the comments were running with it because you were a cheater it was not a cheater i mean i guess i had an advantage but i wasn't a cheetah exactly it's cheating

you had an advantage cheating you can prep the game i don't know i got you okay is my player is my player a forward no okay he is not is my player playing today yes is my player is my player player is my player currently playing he is my player an all-star caliber player yes yeah yes not a four he's a fire all-star why you sound so sarcastic he is a surfire all-star okay okay anytime you give me extra info I just feel like this does a catch nah I'm I'm I'm a fair player I'm a fair player okay is my player a guard he is yes is my player light scheme no I'll let him design yeah apparently i never know you like the qualifications uh my player is not a forward he's an all-star caliber player so is he a guard no okay has my player scored 20 or more points per

game before let me fact check that real quick close that oh that means he's damn near close so that means i just don't fucking know his averages okay that means he's close though if you have to yeah he's average 20 okay i just had no idea yeah um is my player and All-Star Yes I mean Yeah

Yeah In general Is he known as an All-Star? Yeah I don't know If I'm making it This year or not

I was what we're trying to say Yeah He's a big man He has to be a center He said he's not a forward He's not a guard He's a surefire all-star I didn't even ask

Did I ask current player? I did What did it? But you said Surefire All-Star So he has to be a current player Because he has to make it This year

Surefire All-Star center there's only so many options is this Nicole Yolkich no no it's not Nicole Yokic okay take a shot this player is average is over 20 points take the shot he's current day as well mm-hmm I'm assuming that he's made an all-star team is this Bamar bio no it's not is my this my player play in the Eastern Conference right now He does. Yes. Okay.

We got to worry about this one. He's not figured out. Surefire, Surefire All-Star Center. Who, it's not, is my player playing in the East right now? No.

No. Weston Conference Surefire All-Star Center. Noting that. Oh, fuck. Note everyone. Okay. I'm scared Donovan's going to beat me. I got to fucking lock in.

Okay. He's still pondering, so I'm not ready. I'm kind of. Is your turn? Is my player playing in the Eastern Conference? He is. Yeah. Eastern Conference is 20.

Okay, cool. Sure, Fire All-Star Center in the West, fuck. All right. So I have, so I have a guy, Eastern Conference, known as an All-Star, but not necessarily one this year. Current player, is, is my player a guard? No. Okay, so it's not Nicole Yokic.

Sengoon's not all surefire center Chet Homerin's not going to be an all-star because he didn't play enough games Gobert's not going to be an all-star Anthony Davis No, it's not Anthony Davis Oh my God Okay

Current day player Oh I know who this is I know it for a fact now I swear I know you better Again, you're on the shot clock Okay I just need one more question

And then I know I'll secure this I will get it this out I'm not sure if I got this. I will get it this time of. You have one chance, one opportunity. Is this player, is this player Brooke Lopez? No. Is this Jared Allen?

Thank God, no, it's not Jared Allen. Is this Victor Womeniama? No. Okay. Did you lie to me by saying Surefire All-Star? No, I did not. Okay. I did not lie.

I swear. Dude, I ran through the three Surefire All-Stars. I did not lie. I promise. So the bonus isn't a surefire all-star Okay Next question is on me Is this player a forward?

No No okay then he has to be a big fuck Surefire all-star I'm trying to go through all the Eastern Conference teams We're trying to talk about Is this Well okay so I'm not sure if

He Counts in this space Or like depending on all the position This is Paul George That's Paul George. Damn it. Fuck. Okay.

It's on the dark. Is this Chris Oswazzingis? Nope. Damn. He's Jordan Poole. Damn. Yeah. You asked this very specific question.

You're like, okay. You said some shit like, is he, please currently playing or whatever? You asked, you asked if he, you asked if he was an all-star player and he said, yes, he's a sure-fire all-star. And you took that and you said, oh, so you said, oh, so he's definitely about to make an all-star. The first question I asked wasn't current person. player? No. I've been dupes. You motherfuckers. Damn, bro. Bill Russell for audio listeners. I had Bill fucking Russell on my forehead the whole time. And that's the end of the episode. I lost the first time. I'm now four and one in this game. Yes. Four and one. We did two last time. I got the

first two victories. Yeah, you're right. Damn. Let's go. Bill Russell, what the fuck? Damn it, Bill. Let's go. Rest and that. And with that being said, if you're still here, what should people comment go birds hell not we're not can comment yeah hell nah go birds comment cowboys let's ride who you don't even believe in that too we'll see y'all next week please don't do that and beg it