The Deep 3 Podcast - We Gave Every NBA Team A 2025 Report Card | Ep. 175

Episode Date: January 2, 2026

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How does it feel? What do you mean? To be in 2026. To be in a year. And once LeBron James was one year older, as of last week. True. What did you do to celebrate? Through some on the grill?

In five-degree weather. He's just lying. I ain't going to lie. I forgot it was his birthday. I'm not going to lie. Donovan actually reminded me that it was LeBron's birthday. And I'm not going to lie. Donovan had some, like, LeBron 7th on how.

call the other day. I did. On LeBron's birthday, I had LeBron 7th. Like you said, I'm not even a LeBron guy. I'm not even a right shoulder, Bumpfay kind of guy. And he was still glazing. Still out here representing, right, and observing the somewhat national holiday.

It's not, we don't have a day yet, right? We'll have a day off. But it will get there in the next couple years. And you know what tells me how serious. And I will lie before it. And how deep he is about this shit. You know those like, there's some type of. There's some people in this world out here who love to preserve everything that's important to him.

For Donovan, specifically, he has those, like, shoe creasers, and he preserves those LeBrons, right? And that just shows me how, like, how deep you're into it. Like, you're just like, you just don't want to admit it. That's all. I started this back in middle school. I was never, ever, ever let my shoe be creased. With that being said, as you guys see by the title, we are here to look back on 2025. Thinking forward to 2026 is going to be something we do for the next several months, obviously.

but right now we're going to put a cap end on 2025 by giving every single NBA team not just a grade for their year and how well it went. A full-blown report card we're going to talk about every team's roster decisions, coaching, player development, star performances, and their vibes,

give them a grade for every category and give a holistic view to how they're 2025 points. When you said a report card, my heart just started being PTSD. I got to flush this. Go ahead, hide it. We haven't gotten to you. I don't know why.

A lot of these teams going to be hiding it right now. Nah, buddy. We're here. We're at the parent teacher conference meetings today. Well, you know, I bet you'd be able to give the Hawks a report card

looks just like the ones you were scared of that we'll get to that. I did better than the Hawks. I'd say that. Highly showed up. I did what I had to do. Okay, so with that being said,

let's like what every single NBA teams 2025 after the intro music plays. I spoke too soon. Before the intro music plays, I almost forgot, I got to tell you guys something that if you were here

on Monday on this channel, you would have known about this. But a lot of you, I think don't know it yet. We have officially changed up our recording schedule. We now post episodes, full episodes of this show on Mondays and Fridays instead of just Fridays. The streams are now full-length episodes that get posted as VODs instead of streams.

It's kind of the same type of format, though. It's going to be similar things where we're going to be talking about news and heavy on what happened over the weekend with a lot of interactive stuff like we were doing previously on the streams. But now these are main episodes, as you see here, we're reacting to your guys as 2026 hot takes on Monday. Talk about all the news like I mentioned. Check it out every single.

Monday will be here. Same content, but it's going to get even better. Yeah, higher quality because it's not live stream. We can do a little bit more glist and glamour to it. Like I mentioned on that Monday episode, more updates to come. Throughout the rest of January, there'll be more updates to the show. Starting the beginning of February, going forward to the rest this year, it's going to be a new era of this show. And this is step one, switching up the schedule a little bit.

And it's still coming out at the same time exactly too. Yeah, still about 4 p.m. Central Standard Time upload. Nothing really changes. Just go watch a VOD instead of a live stream. And if you guys, a lot of you guys didn't watch a license before. So a lot of You guys are only watching the main full-length episodes. Go check those out. There'll be about half the length.

There'll be an hour and a half on average instead of three hours. But same type of content. Yeah, I'll be right. Enough pound. Yeah, I don't know. We got more good shit here. There you go. Go check it out.

And now cue the intro music. We're throwing it back. Whoa. That's crazy. He was bragging. I don't know. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God.

Thank you, guys. Crown eaters, rejoice. All right, so we're going to go through every single team, division by division. Starting off with the Pacific Division, let's get straight to the main characters. Los Angeles Lakers, how are we grading their season, starting with roster decisions in a year in which they did get Luca Donchish. They did sell high on Anthony Davis, which in another context that isn't, this is the biggest trade of all time. I feel it could be applauding them a lot for selling high.

and a guy, you know, getting up their age, injuries, history, and all that. Outside of that, didn't do a whole lot. Yeah. It doesn't matter. You got Luca Knopfax. Like, it's, it's an A. Yeah. I mean, you guys did everything that you could possibly could.

You got D'Andraeaten as well on a very cheap deal for obvious reasons. A plus, bro. Like, this is the clear as A. Yeah. It feels weird because, you know, we're talking with the Lakers. Today is Thursday, January 1st. And the main mode of conversation is teams kind of mid. after the hot start in which they had

an unsustainable stretch of Austin Reeves averaging 30 Luka averaging 36 finding a way to win these games off of insane offensive performances from that duo things came back to Earth a little bit Reeves got hurt LeBron came back in the lineup

team's kind of mid so the roster around the big three is pretty pretty bad I don't even know if mid is the word you can use but ultimately if we're degrading a 2025 with Luca Donchish kind of has to get it eight regardless Yeah and that deal

like if it came out that the Lakers and Polinka were offered in the dead of night. Like, yo man, do you want Luca Donchitz for AD one first round pick of Max Christi? And Polinco was like, no, I'm chilling. Like, we're good. People, you would be furious of like, that's all it took and that was presented to you and you didn't want to do it. Oh, if he said no to Luca Donchard in any circumstances, he would have been fired the next day, otherwise he'd been harmed. Exactly.

So this is what you had to do. You did it. You got it done. A. But I will say, Rob Plinka getting an A for Rasa decisions is hilarious. and just shows the strength of that one move. Like, if you looked at outside of that. Oh, yeah.

If you ace the final, like, yeah, you ace the final. And the final was worth 70% of the final grade. No, no, no, that shit was worth 95% of your final grade. So it's like, it is what is. If you took away every single NBA team's best move of 2025 and just look at the rest of roster decisions. And we should clarify, roster decisions is trades, draft, and free agency.

Any movement, exactly. This is basically front office is the grade. Took away every single team's best move. They'd have the worst in the league outside of them. Yeah. like what has he done out what's the best thing that he's done over the last five years outside of this lucid church last five years uh i think five years ago is when he they signed austin reused and under unrestricted free agency since then not a single above

average thing the trade for dfs is pretty good and they let him walk when you know diondra and think is part of that and i think a million dollars is a good signing but it's not mind blowing just very like c plus moves all around nothing but c plus to f moves yeah nothing witty, nothing that caught anyone off guard at all, like he didn't make any smart moves around the draft. In fact, like, the drafts have been terrible over the last five years, especially too. And that's the biggest problem of why they're at the right

right now, because the 2023 and 2024 drafts netted nothing. But nevertheless, A, coaching. Where do we go? Jeter Redick here? Through a year and a half I think right now it's not great. It's not horrible, but it's not great. You know, Lakers fans are talking a lot about how he's insisted on playing these

offensive slanted lineups, kept Rui in the lineup and he's starting almost his five worst defenders in the lineup all at once. Last year, post-Luca trade, we saw him put together a really good defensive stretch where they're doing a gimmick defense, leaving wide-open shooters, but it worked pretty well to make a stretch and get them into the playoffs. I don't know how to feel about this overall. Yeah, I think I'm going to go see here.

I think, I think there's been, there's been, there's been good moments, there's been some bad moments, some pretty, especially, especially last year and going into, like, post-Luca, you can you can very clearly see the the learning moments for jjoretic as a coach and that i think even coming into this year and over the last couple weeks you've been getting a very like fiery jageretic and you're trying to sort through like how much fieriness can we get in this like maniac who like loves to who like needs to win and doing all this and also trying to manage this other team and trying to figure out where you're at i it kind of feels like incomplete just because Like, this is the first full year with Luca Donchich and this entire, like, crazy, like,

your team changed. Yeah. Tremendously. The outlook of your franchise changed tremendously when you got Luca. So I'm still trying to figure this out. But I think it's your first time coaching. That's a weird combination of factors. I think C is fair.

Yeah. I think he's fair. I'm going to go up a little bit higher with you so we can net out on like, I don't know, C plus or whatever. To have your, to start out the year with having AD last year in LeBron and DeAngel Russell as you're like starting point guard. having to go through the roles of like experiencing what deal like the roller coaster of NBA player that he is to then having to shift the entire identity of your team and be a Luca Doncher's face like face forward team that's so incredibly hard and to like have the pieces that you did have which wasn't the greatest or whatever and somehow flex that into a decent defense to catapult you towards the end of the year so wildly impressive no yes like they didn't do anything in the playoffs they got embarrassed he there was a moment of time where I think in the last game of the series

versus the T-Wol's he started everyone didn't rest no one in the second half of the game that was like one of the most hilarious talking points he's going go and see going with Donovan on this to I'll vote to you he's a fine coach or no he's fine like he's just fine he's doing what he can though no I mean I guess the roster sucks so I don't think he's a terrible coach but you know

the scheme offensively is cool I think he has a good modern view of the game he prioritizes threes prioritizes good actions and pick and roll ball handling because he knows he has Austin Reed and Luca Donchich he has a good idea of how he should build his team he doesn't have the roster for his vision and he's not hasn't done a great job adapting he's really gone towards the offensive slanted lineups I think and I think the Rui Hachamora thing has been a clear coaching issue so far I think to refuse all to make come up the bench and do the what I think and every Lakers fan thinks is the like very

obvious surface level way to redistribute these touches and these points in this roster a roster that desperately needs bench scoring and desperately needs starting defense and then you mentioned the playoff thing obviously that was quite the blumish that was some rookie mistakes we made in the playoff series I think he's been fine but isn't shown to be a great coach hasn't shown to be a terrible coach

yeah so yes she's okay what do to play development because they don't have young players to develop at all because they draft terrible players Austin Rees is the face of this conversation Dalton connect because it hasn't developed a single bit he's actually regressed since the first month of his career it's enough I think the

the Lakers right now are one of the the worst player development teams I think like in terms of having stuff to show for it like it's just connecting Reese is really the only like swing to the swing that at this time and Reeves became an all-star this year I think Rall Star level player he won't make it because of injuries how much how much are we

putting that on like the Lakers player development because at a certain point also like I'm looking at player development as years like one two and three and then as you continue to to get better. Obviously, there's, like, everything matters in terms of whatever is going on in the building. But in terms of very clear, we are developing you, that's kind of, you know what I'm like that? That's kind of very sure. But we also do account. This is the Lakers holistically. It's not

just the staff there. So, like, you're kind of for the players and the credit they deserve to. And I think Austin Reeves deserves a good amount of credit. Probably get them out of F at least. Like, really the only points of development they can make is Austin Reeves, his hierarchy, his rise, Dalton Connect is a young draft pick. Jalen Hutchifino already got traded. so he's not an element of this. I guess, like, Rui, he hasn't changed either. So, like, Rui's exactly who he's been since pretty much day one. I don't really see any, like, much development there.

Like, he's a stamped 10-point guy for the rest of his career. So there's not much to develop there. I think the only case, it's so interesting because, like, this is not the conversation for the Lakers. There are other teams that we're going to have, like, it's going to have, like, a lofty grade. But for the Lakers, they don't develop players. They're the Lakers.

They get a D because Austin Reed is taking another step forward. But other than that, they haven't done jack shit. If it wasn't for us and reasons, it would be F. Yeah, exactly. So they're lucky that he's taking another step. We'll give him credit for that. Yeah. Star performances.

They got stars. How well they played? So my star performance, I think it's like, you know, like John Moran, I would get F. Or somebody, Tyre's Halliburton last year, dragging the finals, that's an A plus. So how they've carried their team relative expectations, what they've done for a star grading perspective? I don't, I feel like it's weird because it's Luca and his bronze. I don't feel like A is.

is the answer here. I think C or D is the answer. I think Luca got to Lakers and he's still Luca, still a great player, still on the B level. Been the worst stress of his career for various reasons.

Coming off of an injury, not playing with the roster that makes sense for him. We haven't gotten a good Luca Donchist experience for his standards. Now his standards are astronomically high,

so it's still, you know, not an effort or anything, but Luca gets a B at best. Braun, I think he did a good job post Luca last year of coming in and quickly adjusting

to Lucas style of play. It was very good defensively on the boards last year and played off well well. This year, not entirely his fault, dealing with the Seattleica stuff, dealing with the getting a flawed roster, has not done a good job in the past month. What, let me not say that. It hasn't been a good fit. I don't know if good job is a phrasing, because I don't want to make it sound like LeBron's, like, messing up.

Yeah, messing up. This is not a good fit and it's not astronomically great. Like, we thought it might be. So I think like C-minus. Yeah, that's fair. I think, especially with Luca, like, we've talked a lot about the ways in which is, like, offensive game has changed and the falloffs from there. The other part is like, you know, the, the drop off and the embarrassing level of defense

that we're getting from Luca Dodgers right now is it's truly, when we're talking about Luca and James Hardin comparisons, we're getting prime, you know, prime James Hardin, bad defense. But then again, there's Reeves who once again is playing truly, truly amazing basketball for what we expected from him. Like, he has been a top 20 player in the world this year. Maybe I guess in the beat. That's why I think this overall bumps him up to be. When it comes to talking about LeBron, he's old at this point in time.

And so, like, you have to think about his star and what that means a little bit lower than he wants wood. Lucas still, Luca, still, he's still a top five player in the entire world, regards to how you want to slice it, even though he's been having one of the not best stretches of his career. And then Regers just continues to ascending. Yeah. Better than so many guards, I think this is a B. We're too harsh right now. The downsides of the Luca LeBron pairing is really standing out, especially defensively, really because the roster around them is pretty flawed. So we're like inclined to blame Luca for all these things that like if he had

wing defenders around him and the requisite lot of threats or if LeBron was still capable of being a better defender like he was last year. Like it would look a little bit better defensively for sure. He is overtaxed. Okay, so a couple things. One, bringing Reeves into the star performance, I do feel like we are being a little bit like loose with the, with the term of star. You don't think Reese is a star? I think, I think, I think, I think he's like,

I think he's like, I think he's like right on that line. Is Chronothy Towns a star? Potentially? We all, we all, we all rank reasons both Carleton's in our rankings.

Potentially. But like, again, like I, he's just, come on, he's averaging at 27. He just thinks there's too many stars in Lee's days. That's what it is.

Yes, precisely. Sure, sure. There's a star, there's that. And then also for, for Luca, for a guy that we,

that we are saying, is like, you know, like at worst, the fifth, the fifth best player in the league. I understand that there is an ideal way for you to play, but to be at that level of an offensive player and be this like all-time talent and you don't have a lot threat and now everything else breaks down the lack of, the lack of adaptability in terms of like being able to still change your game slightly and mold it to whatever you have. like that is something where it's like okay we can knock you and I don't think that use I think it's fair to criticize him on that and not 100% put it on like the roster construction okay

it'll be minus that's fair it's not just a lot there as reductive but you're right he is he has i'm just you're right i still feel like that talking about just more niche in terms of like the just like the moot the minutia of his game and how that just kind of like varies slightly regardless he put him on any roster in the league like he still looks like a top five player I don't know. B minus? I don't know. That's why. That's why.

Fuck, no. B minus based off of what. It was very high for the first half of the year. I think for most of these grades. For these whole grades we grade holistically. I think vibes you kind of do right now going to 2026, like the year end vibes, I think. Because like how old is, you're going to, vibes changed all the year, you know? Right now the vibes are in F.

Right now the vibes think like shit. We got Luca fans and LeBron fans going to war on Twitter. J.J. Reddick talking basically going to the press conferences and being like, you see this roster of guys around me, I fucking hate them. I want nothing to do with this team. They're not playing as hard as I want them to. They're going to look in the mirror. This isn't the team I think I deserve. Like, the vibes really stink right now.

And I think they're going to stink until LeBron retires this summer. Folks talking about something. It's going to be real uncomfortable on this Tuesday morning meeting. What is he's being uncomfortable? You believe him? He's being goofy. Like the vibes are terrible. I think the vibes are D at best.

No one knows what's going on in that locker. I would say D. I would say D. I think D just because they're still like a top. five playoff team and they're still going to like you know relatively they're all right you're saying right now right now yeah but going forward I guess I don't know I'm the reason to come back but as of today January 1st you said F yeah yeah but overall I think we can probably go D to not overactive this week but like for this month now I think oh if we're like talking about overall like going back to

every single thing that we've that we've said through the roster decisions just like a two three year thing or whatever coaching development start player performance and all that I think overall it's probably nets out to be a B because you did get a start like one of the five best players in the NBA right now the bronze still there

your leg is whatever from the off season on I will say it's been it's been subpar and you had a you had a quick blip but Luca lost weight you had a quick exactly you had a quick blip

of positivity where where Luca was on you know on the Zempi and he's down you know 55 pounds or or whatever and then like everything is cool. Now at this point,

like how many times is JJ Redic car this season already blown up? Too many. What if that's just him in as his personality? Then his vibes are terrible. That's where it is.

Golden State Warriors. Roster decisions. They signed Jimmy Butler. They traded Jimmy Butler and then extended him. They did not extend John the Kminga. He's here on a qualifying offer. Outside of that,

you know, they signed out Horford. They brought, they re-signed Gary Payton. They didn't do a whole lot of stuff on the margins that is kind of just okay. They are running in place.

This belongs. to BNF. No, I think Chip Butler wasn't a terrible move though. You got,

yeah, I think Jimmy Butler is. It was a good move, but you did nothing. They won a playoff series. You know what? You are right.

Yeah, they won a playoff series in part because they had Jimmy Butler. And so I, I want, yeah, I want to give him credit for that.

I don't, you're right. They did do that and they did go on a winning streak. I remember that once they made that trade, they put belt to a lot of teams and had this great, they had this great win streak

and run going into the playoffs. So they did change, but I feel like at that moment in time, it was just like, it gave Steph a temporary battery on his back and he was playing an absurd level. And now things have like gone right back to the stale ways as a Jimmy Buller was never even there in the first place. Like their defense is still their defense. Dremont and all them are just, everything just feels like it's slowly deteriorating on this offense and on this team overall. And nothing's really changed throughout all the things you told me. I'm sure you're kind of talking about their whole overall.

viewpoint though. I think just for roster decisions it hasn't been more bad than good I think. It's so mid. It's ridiculous even they did nothing. They were still talking about the same thing. In 2025 they got Jimmy Butler. That's not nothing. It's almost like they didn't get them though. Like last year they're in this exact same spot. But if they were in this

position and instead of Jimmy Butler it was Williams. Like you would you would really really hate everything that you've done and we would be up here screaming. How dare you not even try to go get somebody for stuff? Like, I don't, it's a D to me. I don't think it's F.

Yeah, but like, D or C minus. I'm going to, okay, you can give it a D. Yeah, I'm going D because, and it's the closest D that you can give them before you get to F. Because the fact that Kaminga is still on this roster is absolutely insane. It's, it's crazy and it does not make sense. Because we've known for years, literal years that him and Steve Kerr do not get along. and that the fit is not great. And for whatever reason that those two see each other

and they see red and they want to fight, like it does not make sense why he's still here. Speaking of him, coaching. The main headline is, I think there's a little, not tension because it's normal, but the Dremont Green stuff is brewing a little bit. You know,

there's a little bit of budding heads there as of late and the coming stuff, he's full on been like he's benched. I don't even, GM, don't even think about trying to make him play him anymore for value, it's over. I don't know if you've done. that it's a good coaching move because I got to win some games and he's not it.

Or some Warriors fans would say it's a lack of adaptability and he hasn't done the best to bring forward these young players. I've always been on the side of these young players suck and it's not on Steve Kerr to make them good. So where do we go with that? I think we probably deserve to be somewhere in the middle. Like they still have a top, I don't know, four or five defense in the league still to this day. And that's pertained throughout the entirety of the, or at least over the last year specifically, their offense has had like majority of the issues for the most part

dream on green so they still have like a good infrastructure but when it comes to like uplifting this team there's no uplifting you're asking to swim with like you're asking to swim with weights on on his shoulders their scheme is their scheme it's been the same forever hasn't adapted well enough but also isn't horrible like you said still a good defense we know what still happen with step in the offensive system it's regular it's C yeah they just are the warriors still play development I think there we can go F for the comming this that ass

They haven't developed a single player on this team. Pods, bounce back or some cold stretches, but he's not really getting better. He's just like maintaining a Gwaffe going up and down. Camingo stinks, Quentin Post, had some moments, can't defend, can't rebound, but he can shoot. It's like every year they find one random player who shouldn't be as good as he is, but finds a way to be useful in Steph, Steve Kerr's system. And that's good. Like, not a lot of teams can say they can do that, but that's just like all they excel. Just finding one player that can play that they can play for 10 minutes, start a couple,

times throughout the season, give them maybe like a week of stretch, weeks worth stretch of giving Warriors fans hope and stuff like that. So it's enough. Star performance. Curry is still curry. Draymond has been absolutely horrible this year offensively. Has some games. He has more turnovers and points.

He's been not as good defensively playing center. Again, the turnovers are insanely difficult to stomach. The vibes have been bad with Draymond. I think Jimmy Butler is still good. He's just like doesn't have the scoring volume he once did, but he's still playing. Just lesser. Yeah, he's still doing what you want for Jimmy Butler, I think. So I think two of the three.

are positive grades. Draymond is really hurting them this year, I think. We'll go B minus. Sure. Steph is still elite. Yeah, Steph really carries. I'm fine. What are F?

F minus. When you have people walking out on the, on team huddles. F double minus. The shit's thanks. Lives are horrible. Their fans are very unhappy. I think their fans are so unhappy. And it's funny in comparison to the rest of the league talking about them.

Because for about the last five years, that they've been this washed version of the dynasty, they've been talked about a lot. There's been a lot of relishing in their pain. A lot of leading sports talk shows with what are the warriors going to do? I think this season has kind of fallen into irrelevance a little bit. Nobody cares anymore.

They just kind of are what they are. And I feel like it gets under-talked about. Actually, not under-talked about. It's a proper amount of talking about compared to where we used to be where they were the main characters of the Lakers that were getting bashed every five seconds.

Nobody cares anymore. Yeah. I mean, they haven't given us new, new tangents to talk about for real. They try the Jimmy Ballers. It was cute for two seconds. And then they had like, what, five games of a good Jonathan Kaminga and everyone, specifically me. When I say everyone was like, oh, man, like things are actually turning around.

It's the same thing. I don't care anymore. Like, I'm not choosing to be depressed when I watch the Warriors. I'm not choosing to be irritated talking about all stuff anymore. I'm good. Yep. Clippers, roster decisions. They brought in Bradbill this year.

They brought in John Collins this year. They brought in Chris Paul and released Chris Paul this year. No, it's enough. Is it enough? It's enough. I think when you let go of... Trade Norm Powell. Yeah, you traded Norm Powell because you thought that you can replace him with Bradley

Beale and he's not playing. You brought in Chris Paul. He's not playing. Like the moves, a majority of the moves that you have done have worked against you, I'm going with an F. No, I think every single move that they've done over the course of the calendar year has worked against him. They haven't had one single success.

Now they kind of have one success. Brooke Lopez a little bit. They've won like four in the last five because it. Watch got hurt and they're starting Brooke Lopez and this five-out spacing is kind of like working kawai and hardener eating and they're being able to like slash and like have enough space to be individually excellent and get a wins just off the strength of those two that doesn't mean brookos is good but the ability to shoot and stand out on the perimeter has worked a little bit for them that isn't the same from f but like that's the one slight caveat they have of some five games

over the over the course of the entire year that's all they got is that like okay it's it's up it's okay it's up it's not good coaching what do you how do you judge this a lot of playoffs they lost in game seven yeah some people were criticized in tyloo during that stretch they just lost they just lost the game seven

to Nicole yokic it wasn't like it was a monumental thing then a lot of fans this year were calling for his name to be fired yeah that's every fan base with their coach yeah and it's like my proxy of the roster falling apart he's kind of taking the heat for that and I don't know I think he's gets to see It's just whatever.

You can't give them a good grade. There's a lot of coaches that are just going to get a C because ultimately the roster and the organization and just the position that they're in that accounts for much more of the situation of what you're in

rather than this guy isn't doing his job. Yeah, yeah. When you know they're a good coach, we'll just give him benefit out and say C. Player development. It doesn't exist. They don't do that. They don't do that.

It doesn't exist. The new word for them. What do you mean player development? Yeah, that's not part of like their organization goals. They don't know how. Star performance. What's funny is it starts

are performing well right now. But in the playoffs last year, Kauai got hurt. Wasn't playing at the end, right? No. No, no, he was playing. No, I forgot. He was playing.

He was just mid. Yeah. And James Hardin played well leading up to the playoffs. Had some stinkers in the playoffs. He's like, yo, it does. So we will go. Do you want to see?

C plus? I think it'd be minus. I don't know. Zubach had a great year last year. Some. Zubach did have all-star conversations around his name. Yes.

He's a start. And I'm, I don't know, for them, I guess. I'm okay going to B minus. Well, we say start before, so are we talking about, like, the three best players on the team? No, not necessarily, depends. Some teams, like, the Ness don't have three best players on team that matter, but relative all-star level. We don't know, I think with Zubach, I don't care.

But I think B-minus. I don't know, because I think B-M-Hus may be a little bit too much because Kauai's been in and out constantly. Why does nine games this year? Then he's been playing the whole time. He's been playing well this season. And obviously last year he missed a lot of time. but so far this season he had that one ankle thing but he's been he hasn't been like sitting

every other night like he's been relatively available for kawai standards and james hard has that a renaissance been playing really well c plus i think i don't even see okay i think i mean they're playing well the team just sucks but like they're really not an issue right now the whole 2025 see play okay okay counting the playoffs in the fact that they did shit the bed that's fine there's just too many inconsistencies vibes you get three fs and two average grades that's your season for the fucking clippers nobody's got in like a majority passing grades at this point We're grading nothing with terrible vibes to start to

We've gone three straight Fs for vibes Keep going, it's a lot of bad Sacramento kids Let's do it Yeah, the Pacific Division is in disarray Ross decision F you brought in Zach Levine this year And traded Deeran Fox for a package

That you could have got more picks for But you decided to try to stay relevant And bring in Zach Levine Kind of made sense Has not worked at all It's been the absolute worst case scenario Coaching, you fired your coach A good coach

who apparently lost the locker room but our new coach who I am not sure if he's a good coach he has shown me nothing of the sort to feel good about it I'm gonna go F.

Player development I'm gonna go F what are we gonna say okay right now I just like but that's Keegan Murray is like solid but what the young player on this team has actually developed

I don't think King Murray's that different never has been I think Ellis doesn't play a lot because you guys have decided he's not it I think Malik Monk you guys are people are talking about they want to trade his contract

it's like that's not going well what else would we Who could we look to to say he's developed well this year To not give them an F Nobody put that up right there It should have been Devon Carter

F F Oh easy F F Easy Not a single one of these Debated Well maybe coaching

Maybe maybe What's the name deserves better than F But no he doesn't Not yet I got the team so bad I don't even know If he's a good coach

This is our first three Fs You are getting suspended Phoenix Suns Surround out the Pacific Division roster decisions they trade Kevin Durantz they bring in Dylan Brooks they bring in Mark Williams on draft night trade they draft

Common Malouache they Was Gillespie brought in this year? He was right Or was the last year I'm trying to He's a player who was brought in this year Okay I'm trying to think that I can remember okay Yeah so they brought in Gillespie as well Continue to they did not trade Devin Booker Which I think factors into the roster decisions

They could have traded him they did not Overall I think I just think I'd save a lot of good things Yeah this is a good team like this is a good team Like, this is, it's so crazy to hear, like, all the names lost and how they, like, ended up getting rid of these players in return for Dylan Brooks, Dailing Green. What happened to Bradleyville? You just, like, let them go. But all these moves made them better. They're in that level of dire situation.

And I think because of how much better they've been on the court this year, the defense that's interesting. The interesting ways that they get into their offense and who has been leading their offense at times, Dylan Brooks. led them to be a B in my mind. Yeah, I think you brought in a few of those things that there aren't necessarily Roth's decisions, but I do think I agree that Rosser decisions is a B, and you mentioned some of the other elements of the team that's nothing to do with that, and to me that goes to coaching. And coaching is an A.

Jordan A has been great. Like you just mentioned the way he deploys his talent, the way he utilizes his rotations, the way he gets him to defend hard and play through that ethos. I think Jordan A deserves an A, 100%. Shout to him. Player development. Listen, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm. I think that, like, they get a really good grade for this.

The level of which we've seen Dilla Brooks grow, the level of which we've seen Gillespie grow, like these are, these are, these are all guys that. You know what Dillow books has grown per se? I mean, Dillon Brooks is a guy. He would just like him now. There's like, no, but he's legitimately like, like, like playing, like, offense, you know,

in a, in a way that, like, is still productive for them. Yeah. And I think he was doing that with the, with the rockets, though. I think we just like are plotting him more Not to this level though Yeah

He's scoring more He's tasked with him Taking more shots So you're right He has a bigger rule I don't like Colin Glouc's was a part of this roster last year He just got like

Minutes like Barely any burn Yeah I thought so I just remember He has a nuget For whatever reason I remember him is Yeah but he's double

And like And that's like Like Dave I I would like to give them A We'll go B plus

It's bad yeah Like Honestly No let's go A minus If we would have seen someone make an all-star leap They've a lot of Dylan Brooks to take more shots Colin Gillespie is that he's definitely developed this year And I think Mark Williams is played well

Dylan Brooks is taking more shots He's not like he's taking some efficiency leap Do anything crazy he's just taking more shots I'm not giving them credit for Dylan Brooks taking more shots Yeah I'm not doing it But Colin Gillespie has developed well I think Mark Williams is at a very good year This man is taking spin faders

And he's like that and he's like He's genuinely playing legitimate like Legitimate basketball He always has been. He's just taking more shots. That's the only thing he's doing different. He's been good. People just didn't like him.

He didn't take the stink of he will not be brought back under any circumstances. That had to wear off. That was multiple, multiple years ago. And he's been good the whole time since then. Bro, he's being scammed by Dylan Brooks.

I know. Crazy horror merchants. Wow. What is he talking about? He's been a really good player. He has been. And he was last year too and the year before that.

But I don't think it's like, he's been like the best version of Dylan Brooks right now. I see it. I see you Dylan Brooks like this exact same. No, you have not. No, I'm, listen up, as someone like Norman Powell in which you're not like better, you just gotten a lot, a lot of opportunity.

No, no, no power is good. He's always been efficient for his entire career. What do you mean? I mean, he's always been, I mean, he's gotten better like every NBA player does every all season. Yes, but in terms of like, oh, like you have something legitimately new in your game. Norm Powell's doing the same exact thing. Yeah, okay.

That's not a bad. It's not a bad analogy at all. Now, we're hating. No, you're just blazing. We're not even saying he's bad. He's just been good. And you're acting like they fucking found something in him. They're just telling him to shoot more.

And good for him doing it well. But like he's been good. But again, B, because I think Mark Williams and Julesby have been developed. Brother's averaging like 21 right now. Whoa. So what do you want to give me? He wasn't averaging four last year.

He's playing he's playing really, really good ball. The rest of the team is playing really good. I just think A minus is, it's pretty nice. Especially, especially when like, like, and this is, also why, like, coaching is, is an A for them too, but I'm looking at this team and a team that coming into the year, we're like, oh, yeah, they're going to be, like, the 13 or 14 seed out west. And because of the, because of the coaching job that Jordan A has done, because of the way that they've empowered people and developed all of their players to allow them to

step up. That's why I'm looking at them, and I'm saying, like, A minor. You just gave the answer for us. Yes, that's why they're A. Because you do, you want to conflate the two with the two different categories for a reason. They're coach, well, A. And I'm just, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying in this specific situation, I think those two things are much more aligned than for other teams where I think you can kind of look at that and separate them a little bit more. Okay. Well, to be fair, I think we should make it clear that I think player development is about how much the players got better this year. Not necessarily like no play development is used as like a coaching thing like you said.

People talk about that a lot too. Like people say Steve Kerr is bad at player development stuff like that. Like I understand that could be really linked together. But I think to make him two different categories, we have to treat that like. How much these players got better? The other 29 teams. I just think this is the only case. What do you want to grade Devin Booker's star performance?

See. And also we're kind of last year, too, the whole 2025, they did that Kevin Durant and Redley Bill and Buffen Booker and that went so goddamn poor. Yeah. Thinking about how we're ending the year off, you have two, I guess one less star now because Bradley Beale was Bradleyville. He's playing at an okay level. Hasn't blowing your mind away.

His three point numbers have dipped. It's fine. See. Yeah, they're good because of the coaching and the role players around that and everything coming together. I think Devon Booker's been fine. Yeah, it's not having a bad year necessarily.

And yeah, before that, it was a disaster before that. So we'll let them turn a new leaf. The Jordan-A air is all we're going to think about for this team right now. C. Vives, A. Fives are great right now. What do you mean?

This is what Dylan Brooks does. Exactly. The vibes are so good that Donovan wants to treat Dylan Brooks is going to stop. That's how good the vibes are. If you want to say Dylan Brooks took a leap, that's how good the vibes are. So interesting.

Players like Dylan Brooks. He's playing well. Like, bro, players like Dylan Brooks. No, he disagreed with that. Normal Powell exists throughout the, like, throughout the entire history of the league. Like, players just get more opportunity. I said more, normal power earlier because guys, like, he's been putting out like 20 since he was, just like 20-201 or 22 back when he was important. He just needs more opportunity.

And same thing as being separate Dylan Brooks. If we were raising this off of Norman Powell, too, I like, Norman Powell is also in like in an A in terms of player development as well. What does he change? Like, okay, never mind. I think you're losing the spirit of it If we do this little much with Dylan Brooks I think it takes away from the actual team Developing at 29 years old

What are you doing? And you can't do that It's possible People do that all the time Not all the time But people do that, but people do that's possible Yeah, it is possible Okay, we're down to the Pacific Division That was really long

We had to go through a little faster Southwest Division What do we want to do with the Houston Rockets? I'm giving them in A You got Kevin Durant And so in Ross's decisions Yeah, so roster decisions They've drafted extremely well over the last few years

They got Kevin Durant They got Fred Van Rennette They drafted Reed Sheppard, which still people aren't like, oh, it's a bad draft pick to this day at all. Well, that's 2024 they drafted him. Yes, exactly. Overall, like, they've done an immaculate job over the last few years. Well, for this year, 2025. What are we going to give them?

So it's Kevin Durant. It's still an A. It's still an A. Because they were, like, they're pristine. They haven't made one real move. DFS move. Are we giving them a, that's still good, even though he just came back? Yeah.

DFS. Great move. Weird thought process behind it. But it's still. Yeah. It's funny. plays here and there, but it's good move. It's good. Yeah, you got Kevin Durant. You're a great team. I think you're just, the only reason they're not one of the best teams in the league clearly is because

Fred Van League got hurt and that's very unfortunate. If Redmond Elite was still there, we wouldn't be talking about roster issues. He wouldn't be talking about lack of playmaking. It's not their fault at all. That portion is unlucky. Easy. I'll say A plus. Okay. Probably the one of the better teams in the league. Yeah, there's not a single move where I actually sit down in question, but I like, ah, like you did too much over there. Coaching. I think it's an A. I think the fact that we've, and obviously, like, we saw them do this at the start of last year, so it's also like some 2024 in here as well, but whatever, them leaning into this like,

this double big lineup and leaning into like this style of play, you do have to give them credit for that. And then now that you have this version of the team, you don't have Fred Van Lee, you're still able to find a way to have official offense. You look at at this team every single year that Udochouca's. has been there, and you see a very well-coached team. And pre-Cavid Durant, early in the season, to push the Warriors to 7, to make the playoffs,

to be a good team when you had that terrible of an offense with that little creation, with Jalen Green's 20 points per game being so vital. And getting buy-in from him as well. Yes, and to get this team to be where they were before Kevin Durant off of straight offensive rebound and defense and trying hard, it was crazy. That was a truly all-time impressive coaching performance last season.

Yeah, I agree. Player Development. shangoon became an all-star in 2025 or so much 2024 we will give this whole season 2025 I think is the year of shangoon becoming an all-star and then even getting better

this season taking another leap forward Amin Thompson became really good last year really in the second half of the year too so I think we give that to 2025 Reed Shepard to start this season is looking much much better really up and down the roster a lot of players developed this year

I think this also deserves to be an A it's so hard for it's not too often where we see a lottery pick that was driving the top three get like stowed away from the first year of his career and the second year you're just like giving an insane amount of responsibility off of no real playing time

just playing the G Lee last year and he's actually like showing all the work that he's put in putting in a straight A's for the Rockets now start performance Kevin Durant still playing well in the past week when Shangoon went down he pulled out some vintage Kevin Durant performances

he showed he can still scale it up for a little bit when he did I think defensively he still been good not quite as good as he was a couple years ago and he had like a lot of credit to his defense and the turnovers have become an issue but Shangoon has made a leap to being a top 20 player in the world. I think this is a I'm going to A minus here. I think it could be

a. We didn't yeah I mean we did our top 40 rankings and we have their stars both of them in like top 13 top you know top 10 talks or whatever but like I think yeah for Katie you know on that line whatever but both both of them have played

well and even for even for Katie having like a down year on his standards that's still Kevin the Ratt being like at one of at a very very elite level I think their stars have done what they've done I will say it is very very like one of the most underrated talking points in the league right now it's not really underrated but I'm noticing that we've tempered our expectations on a man and how he should how everyone wanted him to ascend and whatnot that kind of he won the star I'm like like yeah like it's always been like he's on the trajectory yeah we want to see that happen it's always like as soon as this happens they're

going to be crazy. I'm with you that I did expect him to be a star, but it was never start confirmed. You expected, yeah, this year for sure. Obviously, we all still do. I'm not talking to man. I still think he'll be a star, but I didn't expect like this season. He'd for sure be the year where he's like point guard averaging whatever next to be an all-star. Yeah, I did expect a little bit more from him coming into this year. Definitely a little bit more, but enough to say that the stars are disappointing. I don't know. I think he's just not there. Well, yeah. So I don't, I don't think. So like based on, based on 2025, I thought that by the time we got to this exact point, that we would look at him and say

star. Okay. I don't think he is star right now. Okay. So, yeah, I'm not counting him in this category, but I do agree with you in that conversation of like, whenever we are, you know, discussing the rockets, we aren't looking at them as like this big three of like a man shaking and KD. It is those two and then kind of every.

And you are right. We have temperate expectations in that like now it's like, okay, we'll wait and see. It's not like, oh, this can be the year. That's not a thing anymore. So you are right with a general sentiment. okay now vibes hey why could be lower than a they get the inverse of the kings three a's around the board he's okay look at that you are the anti kings over in houston need that now Memphis Grizzlies roster decisions honestly pretty good you sold high on Desmond Bay and like

sold real high got a lot of picks plus plus value more first round picks is use one of those picks on cedric coward looks like a hit easy me a good player I think what I that they do in this calendar year. Let's see. Drafts EV in 24. Yeah. Those are really the main two. Obviously there's some other small stuff like you, but those are the main two, I think.

B plus, A. I think they deserve an A. Like, they didn't do too much. They stood packed outside of the, um. Well, could be argued they got worse and like. But that's not with no fault of their own other than, oh, yeah, you did trade away. Well, no, I think you could say that like you're in a win now time, the situation. You trade Desmond Bain.

Like, it's nice you get those pace. It'll pay off in the long run, but your team is worse now. So I don't think, I think A is safe for like, this is a resounding hit. You're credible now. You're set up. There's no argument against it. And the Bain thing, you could argue that like Desmond Bain is good. We want to stay good.

We didn't have to do this reloading. Like they didn't immediately find a way to get just as good, which maybe that's debatable because Jaureen's performance are making them look worse. Maybe they could still be that good with coward in there. Who knows? But I don't think it's a resounding, undeatable hit enough to go A. I think for me, one of the greatest things that I love to see in an NBA front office is fucking humility and honesty.

like how they got they ass whooped by okay see they knew and how that year went for them in general and how they seen certain flaws in john moran's game doesn't bain's amazing a lot of the times in the league we don't see teams like sell off on a young piece that looked like that they could be a borderline potential for an all fring's all-star in dillan and desmond bane and for them to do that that's amazing hindsight because this move could make this era of ushering out of john mary i'm not saying they will but eventually things are going to die out and burn out it's going to make things so much easier their star yeah and i do i do think like for me when like when we're talking about roster decisions looking at the inverse and if you didn't do this how would we how would we look at

that if they didn't trade desmond bane we'd be looking at the grizzlies right now and saying you guys are mid and you guys are expensive and they were able to fix that problem and still maintain, you know, going into the season, you're two stars and two people who are supposed to play at a high, high level. We'll talk about them in a bit, but like those, that decision to do that and to give

yourself more flexibility and get four first round picks for that, I think that's an A for them. And they tried to get better. Like, they did pick up someone like Ty Jerome. Oh, true. I forgot about Ty Jerome. Yeah. Okay, okay. You convinced me fine, being able to look at yourself and decide when you're strategically tear down. Okay. We'll get them an I honestly do feel like this is one of the five, three to five, like, smartest front offices

in the league. That's, honestly, that's fair with how, with, with the value that they got in with the development that they normally get and the smart picks. I'm, yeah. We just sit down and rank that one day because I don't know who the best front offices are right now, but they're easily, if you tell me the fit, that does not surprise me. Yeah. Coaching.

Well, they fired Taylor Jenkins in this year. Brought a new coach that clashed with their best players. I think he has some good ideas TBD if it works with the top players in the world So It hasn't gone well But I don't know if it's all because of him So I don't know

C minus the D like Yeah the idea is like it sounds fun It sounds innovative It sounds smart We just haven't seen the product actually work And also like you don't have The product is non-existent Because the players there are naming your all existence

So it's like You have none to work with Let's go D plus It's not his fault 100% not out on him at all Maybe it gets going good well but for now, D plus. Yeah.

Player development. We got 11 games at ED this year looked like he was taking a step. That was real development, got hurt. So it was only 11 games. I don't know if we can 100% coast on that. I think in this year we saw Jay and the Wells last year

into this season, second half of last year, kind of come together, having a good bounce back year now after a tough start the season. I think Scottie Pippen Jr. and Jay Huff end of last year, these kind of guys that were finding on those scrap heaps.

Yeah. And the last year had a lot of good moments. G.G. Jackson hasn't Oh, anti-development. Anti-development. So that hurts. That dings the score. That's the first one right there.

Early 2025 sound until Adama was taking a lot of leaps in this new offense. Yeah. Uh, man. I think when we're talking Grizzlies and we're talking development, they overall probably are in a. They have so many more hits than they do misses. Yeah. And when you start stacking up, like if you named, y'all named four guys before you got to one miss. And, like, if any front office, yeah, if any front office had four guys that they were, that they were able to develop, then, yo, we're clicking on all cylinders.

Yeah. Start performance. F. And I will say, John Moran has came back. Minus, minus. I will say John Moran has came back in the past week. John Man's kind of playing good as of late. Yeah. He's played, he's played, you played some of the most unsurised basketball for a majority of 2025. Yeah.

You are F minus. It is F, but I will say black. season, Jaron Jackson had a good year. It's been a rough start to this year. I don't really know why. He's just been in a terrible score this year. And John Moran has obviously been injured a lot. Started this year.

He's been the worst star in the NBA. Him and Palo Bancair went ban for bam for being the most disappointing max level player in the league. Came back from injury. The last five games has been pretty good. And if that's a sign of anything going forward, he will get out of A. But for now, they still deserve A.

Yeah. I mean, F, my bad. Yeah, I agree. He just gave the Philadelphia 70, such as 40 when an overtime with him. That game was crazy. It was a great game. Still, F.

Yeah, and before that 21, 17, he's in passing pretty well, 7 assists and 10 assists in those first two games. Yeah. He looks a little more in control, a little bit more put together. He's groundbound. I think in that six years game did a good job slashing without being vertical. I think he did a really good job there. But it is only three games, and we've had a lot of terrible games. They still get F.

Yeah. Fives, you still get F. The fives are still terrible because of the start performances being so bad. It's been better as of late. Yeah, no, because John Martin wasn't played. Exactly. Still enough, though. because he's back

and you need him to be good so it's a nice laugh next team up we have the Spurs roster decisions they traded for Deer and Fox in this season they drafted Dylan Harper

in this year they drafted Carter Bryant in this year where are we going we're going A's ever A plus honestly they probably might have made the best roster decisions

in the entire league over the course of the year not be up there yeah considering what they did in the draft cheating a little bit going back to 24 24 or whatever trading for daren fox um bro like they're great they haven't made one bad decision you you brought in an all-star point guard this year and a future all-star point guard they could have like made a hasty decision and got off of d'nard fox

or not giving them the contract extension but they did what was right and they didn't let like all these past notions about denair fox and him being overweighted and stuff like that like blind them at also it's so clear they do not need d r fox and like for them he's genuinely not needed yeah and so like for them for them to do that and to stand pat and be patient and not and not get the the number two overall pick and say yeah we're shipping this immediately out and now now you have a team that that is doing a pseudo two timelines thing and not even like two timelines yeah they're all they're all on a string yeah you're just building a future dynasty right now You're just good now and you're going to be good for a long time.

It's one clear, long, amazing timeline or so it seems on paper. Yeah. They brought in Luke Cornett, too. Oh, yeah. They brought in their all season signing. So, and he's been perfectly fine too. He's been good for them, actually. And no, that's good for them, actually.

They're coaching. They defend on a string. The buying is crazy. The way they've turned these seemingly, like, mediocre draft picks, like a Kelton Johnson and Devin Vassell, who were just kind of slightly disappointing, but not bad enough to consider Buss. The way they've turned them into being super positive,

really impactful players this year off of straight effort and use of athleticism has been crazy they are such great compliments to everything they do on offense with Victor Roman Yama space in the floor

and the slashing guards it's like they have five guys at all times that can run in transition and everybody's slotted in so well to the right roles now with Mitch Johnson facts

and player development a plus a plus we have Stefan Castle growing into a future all star before us and I don't know whose idea it was

to send me to train with the monks I'm gonna assume that it was it was kind of his you know the Spurs maybe facilitated a little bit of that, right? They got him a first class ticket, whatever.

All of that, that goes into player development. I'm giving them an A plus. And Star Performance, no reason not to give it A. I mean, Wembe is playing like an All-MBA player, you know, Best Defender in the world that even if people like criticize his offense and are saying he's not quite, he's not like a top 10 offensive player or anything like that, which is true. He's the best defender I've ever seen.

He's Rudy Gobert with Julius Randall's offense on his worst days. That's an amazing player, Star Performance A. You got it. I can't end. Darren Fox is still like doing this thing as well too. Yeah. Vibes A plus. Vives A plus plus plus.

Yeah. You got. This is the highest report guard. I'm into this point. Oh yeah. There's hell of A pluses. You're right. It's a like 99 average.

Yeah. You know what's an A plus when you got your star player trying to usher in new, new rituals, pregame rituals, post game rituals. A plus. And it looks cool, too. I don't know. It's kind of swagger jacking a little bit. But from what?

Europeans? Soccer, yeah. He's European. He's French. Let him. That's his culture. I guess. I guess. I thought when I first saw, I was like, oh, like, in a video.

And then I, like, traced back and I was like, oh, shit, it came from there. Oh, he's from there. Yeah. It's okay. He can bring it back his own culture. Bring it to the U.S.? I guess. Dallas Mavericks.

When Anthony Edwards brings lemon pepper to Minneapolis, like, it's going to be good. You know, like, it's going to be good. I'm going to feel slighting. Like, this is the coolest thing. of all time. Dallas Mavericks. Now, roster decisions would be an F if we did this a few months ago

or did it in March. They traded Luca Donshish, the worst roster decision I've ever seen. They did get lucking on Cooper Flag which does factor into this. That's not a decision. But they draft a Cooper Flag. Whether or not,

whatever could ease a decision or not, that has to be part of the roster moves. So that's in there. They haven't tried Anthony Davis yet, which you can view as a positive or negative, depending on you feel. They paid cat read the summer, right, coming off the injury?

They gave us an extension. Yes, I believe they did. They gave him a two-year extension, if I remember correctly. They brought in Ryan Nemhart, which seems to be a nice draft move to bring an undrafted free agent. He's been very good. And they fired Nico Harrison, which is a, I guess, if it's going to go anywhere, that's going to roster decisions.

That is a roster decision. You're right. I hate that. That's a roster decision. So I kind of feel like, Nico Harris, that kind of goes into Star Performance. Like, Nico Harrison affected everything that had to do with Star Performance in the Mavericks. He made himself, like, he was moving, like, he thought that he was moving, like, he thought that he was the star of the Mavericks as well.

I'm not going to. Cooper Flagg saves this entirely. Having Cooper Flag and Max Christina a first round pick, super palatable. When we're grading that trade, it's still an F-minus because he didn't know he was getting a Cooper Flag. But we're grading the Mavericks. We don't got to be mean to them anymore. But the Mavericks let this happen, though.

Who cares? And they killed the guy promptly. So it's fine. They have Cooper Flagganao and they didn't have him last year. They're at worst, neutral. At worst, you're neutral. In many ways, you might be better. I don't think, yeah, I don't think that we can give them, we can't give them a B.

Okay. They have Cooper Flag. They can't be worse than the sea. They are set up with the new young stars. They're going to be one of the best players in the world. At the extra draft pick, an extra role player, Max Christie. They can still trade AD. They still have Kyrie coming.

They still have like three stars. Whether or not that's going to be a successful triple star duo, they are still in a good spot. This is damn weird TBD for me because I want to see how they set up Cooper Flag. Yeah. That's why I'm revisited my office. I'll talk to you next year. Sure. And that's going to be the 2026 grade.

But for just a 2025, you have a new 19-year-old youngest star in the league. You are set for a long time. They should really be B. but we do have the animosity with Luca trade in their hearts so I understand but it really should be B I'm not gonna lie

they're said they haven't done anything outside of the Cooper flag thing that's all you need no no I'm not giving you credit for that why not they got them I can't I'm not saying they didn't make any smart witty move that was not a real decision

at the end of the day like you had to do that you were given the number one overall pick everyone's saying he's number one and it does say decisions so you're right that is the word we used

but I think the spirit of that is like you know the roster transactions really there's no saviness to this game what are you talking about i didn't say it was savvy i never used the word savvy it's pure luck but they're set up well coaching i think jason kid forever gets to see he is completely okay he'll have yeah he'll have moments where you're like oh this is this is a plus and then he'll go right back down he's good in playoff series at game planning defensively he makes some strange experimental

decisions he started cooper flag at point guard for the first two weeks of the year that shit was ridiculous but it got nico harrison fired so that's nice yeah he did that on purpose to get neko So maybe it's an admit, you know what? Because he got Nico fired on purpose, A plus. Played developer. Oh my gosh, man. Max Christie has developed well. They have that.

I don't know if you can call Ryan Nymard development. He just got in the league, but they're putting him in a position to succeed. Now, we talked about Dylan Brooks taking a leap at 29. They forced Clay Thompson to take even more of a step back at 35. Come on. I don't like that. It was going to happen regardless. They went and got a shooter who plays primarily off on.

And then they said, we're not going to bring in any ball handlers, any playmakers whatsoever. They did set him back. I don't like that. The only talking point that we would have the player development is Ryan Nemhart. There is no one else that they've uttered in. They still have all the same vets. Naji Marshall. You were playing around with development at the start of the year with Cooper Flag.

You try to get too cute with it. Yeah. Everything's a C for this team. Star performance. Barely had stars this entire year. AD has been a C. Cooper Flag is turning into. a star. So I guess that's something. So

Kyrie hasn't played. But he was good. Cairo's a good star at 2025. B. Do we want to give this a B? Why not? I mean, there's stars, that's not like, there's no reason to ding them again for that. I mean, why? They, like, 80 hasn't played more than six games straight for these guys. Yeah. Kyrie played well to start the year and they got hurt. I'm not going to say, like, he's performing poorly because he got hurt. And Cooper Flagg, I think it's turned to a star in December. I'm not going to say he'd perform poorly, but he just didn't perform at all.

Yeah. So I saw him like, I think it's a C. Are we Cooper Flags Ascension Like that means something to me It does Like It's cool It's like

For a rookie Like He's not playing just for a rookie He's turning into a star Like legit playing at all-star level For a month Good That's it's a month

Of basketball I don't I'm out of 12 So I'm not I'm not I'm not like overly excited To go out And now give them

Like a beer Or anything I think they're Yeah They've For a majority of the year Their starts Have been Kyrie and AD

Like he said 80 hasn't really been there Karee also hasn't really been there. Mass fans, they hate you, but I see the vision. It just hasn't been great. So vibes, we're going to give a C? Everything's a C? Yeah.

It's just a C-assie. All right, you guys like them. I think everything for them pre-October was an F and everything post-October is an A. I feel like, and maybe that evens out to a C overall. Exactly. Exactly, yes.

You finally understand it. Precisely. But I think it's such a new era that like some of these I want to plot them a little bit more. But so it would be it. Nor is the Pelican. Oh, F, F, F, F. Why would you give them an F?

So Rossi decisions, they draft Jeremiah Fears. Good. They make a crazy trade to go get Derek Queen, but Derek Queen has been good. So, at best, neutral decision. However, also, the same way, right, we give the Mavs in A because they fired Nico Harrison. Have to give the Pelicans an F because they hired Joe D. Okay, hired Joe D. Morris. That's an F, and he did some real stupid giving away a 2025 pick.

But Fears and Queen are good, so that gives you some points. You bring in Jordan Poole. hasn't necessarily worked. You design thing hasn't changed this year. Trem Murphy hasn't changed. Herb hasn't changed. You probably could have capitalized on some of those pieces. Maybe.

If you decided to trade them, you were a little bit proactive, didn't really do that. I think for them, we're at D. Because I do think bringing in, bringing in Derek Queen in, like, obviously the way in which you got Derek Queen

is awful. That's bad. You did get two good players in the door in the draft. I think Derek Quinn has been an all-star. So I think maybe they deserve C. They can't be, so normally you get A. He has to prove that, I think. Of course, a little bit more.

But all we can do with the rookies react to what we've seen. And he's going to be a great player. All signs point towards that. I think his floor is he might be as good as Schengen. Not floor. I think a good realistic outcome is he can be as good as Shangoon. That feels very real to me. And or maybe it's slightly worse.

Maybe it's like a bonus. Whatever that range of like low-level All-Star is. Maybe Shang-goon's getting out of that. So maybe that's not good comparison. But I think normally that I'd get them A to be able to have this core of young players but they traded the 2025 pick which is a ridiculous decision so that brings it down from A to C to me

I think if they were it's probably too soon to speak on this but if they were proactive in the trade market and decided to sell off on Trey Murphy and Herb Jones and who knows potentially is on as well nasty conversation to get into

but I think if they were to do that then this would give them in my mind make them a C because they don't have to do that we're talking about that I think the reason we're talking about the Trey Murphy stuff is mostly because we want to see

good players on bad teams go to fun teams they don't have to trade tray murphy they just have tray murphy and derrick queen to just get good and let this court develop i think you get better in the future if you go ahead and trade tray murphy because you have he's there for nothing he's not doing anything on your team to make your life i mean he's obviously playing like better basketball with derrick queen but i think they're much better off getting assets for the future and loading reloading up instead of just letting him I think it's like, so I agree. I probably would have moved on from Trey Murphy and Earned Herb Jones, but I would

only have done that if you believed, like I believed, which was we cannot like build around Zion whatsoever and this, this will not work right now. And they clearly like did still feel that and they were like, we're going to have one more offseason. Zon is going to get in shape. He's going to, he's going to drop weight and we're going to try it one more time. So if that's the plan that you have, then it would be unfair to go all in on Zion this hot season

and then trade Tray Murphy and Herb Jones really set them up to be a failure. Like if they trade them in February, cool, but there's no point where they should have traded them already. So I think C is fine. Okay. But now, if you want to hold, if you want to hold, you know, holding on hope in Zion against them,

then like that's the only way that like truly, truly we can say not trading Tray Murphy and not trading. Herb Jones is like a real big fake I don't think any of us thought it was crazy to give them one more year together and like especially where they're at last year postageante trade like I don't think it was a natural blow it up time they would have cool

but I don't think we have to hold it against them that they tried to win one more times I'm just doing it right now I take the standards again they're so stupid man they're so stupid they're so stupid they are so lucky dare queen is amazing because they are so stupid

they're at the bottom of the west they're at the bottom of the west you're so lucky Derek Queen is generational the only team that is worse than them is the Indiana Pacers They got passed up by the Wizards

The Wizards have The Wizards are 8 and 24 And the Pelicans are 8 and 27 Jeez man Derek Queen's averaging 13 7 and forces the game That's nice though Now the Pacers Man

They They sacrifice it all They lost 10 games I haven't watched a single one of those games 10 games in a row The patients are out of my mind It's so they're so bad And like coaching

We'll talk a little bit You know, Pallet had a get right game against Yeah, you did a game winner right It was like a game Yeah, yeah, something like that 29 in 10 You hit a get right game Had a 56% true shooting

Nice and league at below league average Coaching Let me the fire to coach F, yeah. But they're buying Jason Rego who decided I'm going to play my good players, and Derek Queen's been playing more since then, which is nice. So it was an F of Willie Green, Brago's normal, D. D. That's out of that.

Player development, you don't get the rookies. Play development isn't with rookies. So it would be Trey Murphy last year, who developed as a ball handler, took more shots. I think he got better. And a lot of people now at least have them on the radar. I was like, oh, like he could be potentially like a piece on a championship level team. hasn't developed Herb Jones hasn't developed

East Missy It's just East Missy I don't think That's the part Where it gets They don't get a good grade Because Stramerfrey He shot a lot

Yeah And he got a little bit Better ball handling And the worst defensively I think they get Do you want to give them Okay What's up against

For giving them an F though? I think I feel like For play development At least I think about it I feel like F is for Like Complete like

You've been bad Not you've done nothing You've been bad Like your players have all gone worse like a John Morant type thing like you're like okay you're really you're doing a disservice these guys and that's where my mind goes

I just go to you're not doing shit so I feel like a D but if you want to go F I won't stop you dumb you're not even studying you're just like walking in the class doing nothing but you write a name on the paper star performance again Zion's kind of like Jal where he started the season off really horribly but he's been much better since coming back

from degree again and last year he was hurt but he was pretty goddamn good last year he's their only star so this really just goes as far as Zion goes see I guess the D plus we're getting mired by the bad start to the season to really go down I mean yeah but like that there's good about that but a lot of injury it's not I mean it counts for sure that's why I'm not going high I'm not going high grade or anything but I don't know there's been there's been good with the bad C minus maybe going back then thinking about the

miss time going into me last year too like just why I'm not we're not going to spend time are you in between C minus and D plus on Zion start performance yeah It's been what it is. Vives F. You don't have your first off pick. You're the worst team in the West for no fucking reason. I mean, shit. If you see the clips where DeAndre Jordan is talking to Derek Queen, that makes me feel better.

But it's still an F. No goddamn reason. Bro, their fans were upset because they were skimping out on promotional emails. Oh, yeah. Like, this is an F. No goddamn reason. Utah Jazz. They haven't kept.

roster decisions where are we going kepp lowry decided to really like double down not to him draft the ace bailey yeah brought in use of nurcich let go at john cons and um Jordan clarkson two good moves and power to the young guys that's not brass decisions that we'll get to that part for sure uh i i don't know see they haven't done shit like they did drafted the fifth best player with the fifth best spot okay they just stood pad a lot like you said sold off on some young some veteran players yeah see i guess they did what they're supposed to to do. Yeah, so let's see.

You're right. You haven't wowed me, but you haven't been a disaster in 2025 from a roster perspective. Coaching. I think they're always well coaching Will Hardy. They just lose on purpose in the year. Yeah, he's the clearest, like, good coach, just like terrible team.

A lot of teams, a lot of coaches in league, like Gwen Snyder or, I don't know. We talked about JJ Redick earlier. I feel like there's a lot of like really cool innovative things that Will Hardy's doing right now to make, to get the absolute most out of his players. Lyramarkin having an all-star year a couple years ago

being like a legitimate everyone like again similar to Trey Murphy even more than Trey Murphy identifies him as like oh he's a real player in the league who can give real issues I give him a B honestly

and they could have sold high like Mark and they didn't and like they probably would have been better off with they're going to be good when he's like 32 it's going to take a long time I feel like higher than C

you got to do something really smart or something smart in a little bit for coaching oh my about your yeah I'm talking my coach I thought your son of Ross decisions No, I was like, well, I'm just tweaking right now.

Rastor decisions. You're clicking, but yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, B for coaching. Cool. I think he's a clear, clear good coach. I agree. Player development.

Counte George, turning into a great score. Hey, like the levels in which he's ascending, I mentioned earlier in there, like, oh, like, he's actually doing his thing right now. Three point shot is, eh, whatever. The rim finishing is crazy. The amount of times he's getting to the line, him just entirely, like, revamping his game,

using all that quickness and birth and athleticism and, like, every, precise moment of the court, I think this is an A. Yeah, he just keeps scoring well. He just keeps on scoring 30 points every night. Yeah, and at certain point in time, we're going to have to have another conversation. Yeah. Also, the three point shot,

like, it's legitimately like the last 20 games. Yeah, 42% for three. Yeah, he's been on fire. After a stinker started the year. And I score that shit started with him writing in like eight threes in the Lakers that night. I remember. Is

Walker Kessler as having a good like three games at the year, then he died. Yeah, I'm just nullifying that. So, is it really just countered to George? The only thing here? I think so. Yeah. Does I get them A?

Is that fake? Does I get the A? Just count out of George? There's not, he might win a MIP. So I think it should probably give them an A. Okay. I'm not against it. But yeah.

No, we didn't see anything from Isaiah Caller. You did start out of the year hurt. The other, Cody Williams. Price Sense of all is still good. So doesn't play defense at all. It still scores. It doesn't play a licked defense.

I think if you get the MIP and he's made such a leap like this, you deserve an A. Okay, we'll get them something good to look forward to. Star performance, Larry Markening, fine. I don't know what to say to this. B, I guess, whatever. Vives.

C. Fucking C. They're just the jazz. They've just been bad for a long time and a weird rebuild. Their vibes are irrelevant. Yeah. Next up, the Portland Trailblazers.

Roster decisions. They brought in Damien Lillard. They brought in Drew Holiday. Good vibes. Good moves. Very good moves. The Damien Lurit didn't catch cost him anything. The Drew Holiday thing,

he's been hurt for the whole. fucking year, it feels like. But the brain they got of Anthony Simons. Yeah, the process to that, all those things, good. You're right. They did give rid of Anthony Simons.

They did resign Denny, gave him a big bag. Who did they draft this patch job? I can't remember right now. It's on my head. This team is so just right. Why can I remember who they draft in 2025? This team is just so weird.

Who did they draft? My mind is like, I cannot remember. Hold on. I'm looking at up. Keep you going to think. Why can I remember? Has he not played very much?

I don't remember. Did they draft someone? They drafted, Patrick Coward and traded him. Oh, yeah. And also Hansen, yeah, too. Yes, Hansen. That's what it was, yeah, it was, yeah, okay.

That's why, because he doesn't play a lot. He's horrible right now. Okay. He's terrible. Um, tripping. But he's raw. He's raw. He's re-signed two money tomorrow.

That contract is, ah. He's so raw. It's crazy. He's so raw. Stop saying it. He's bad. No, but no, he's definition of raw. Like, he needs a lot of refinement in this game.

A lot of fun. I don't even know. The roster just kind of stayed the same. I love specific words that we use like to... They cut the Andreton. They didn't trade Rob Williams yet. I think it's C. Yeah.

Like, they didn't do anything bad. They did all the right things. They did give Shaden Sharp that contract. And I know it's like, ah, hasn't really looked up to it, I guess. So coaching. Your coach got him by the fence. They did a sweep on your coach, man. Yeah.

Give an F. F for felon. They got him out of his. Your coaches in cuffs two weeks into the season. I'm giving you an F. He's in prison with Ditty, man. This is not going well.

Playing cards, having fun. It's having to get time. Takashi's six and out of telling stories were in jail with them. Player of development. Denny's taking the leap this year. That's been a huge development. Outside of that, there's nothing to talk about.

Shady and Sharp as has some good scoring stretches this season after last year and started this year when, man, he was mid I don't know if he's out of mid talks yet but he's been having some more flashes than he was having before I think as a score at least

Screw Henderson's been hurt so he hasn't been able to develop I don't think that's That's the worst part about talking about this Because when I'm thinking about development I started like Tomani Who's been up and that was up last year down this year Yeah we gotta give him that credit though

He turned an elite defender last year In 2025 beginning of the year Then he started He struggled heavily this year on that end Which is so like weird to talk about But then he's ascension is interesting. B plus. Denny ascended to being, he has

600,000 all-star votes in the first vote counts. Which is crazy. That's a lot of votes. It is. Shout out to the popularity contest. Yeah, yeah. But I don't know, B-plus. There's B. Strictly behind Denny, him being an all-star. Okay, you got it. Yeah. And we'll see you with a scooseph how that

develops for the rest this year. But I think B, it hasn't been a horrible job. Star performances, what stars? Denny, I guess. That's it. I'm not counting him. Incomplete. N-A, they don't have any stars. Yeah, X, they don't have any stars.

Okay. Vibes. Your coach got... Terrible. Your coach is a felon. Allegedly. That's what they're saying about your coach. They're saying that your coach is a felon.

I can't go through with this and say that the vibes are extremely high. Yeah, the vibe. Also, because even just like with... It's really just Denny's the vibes. Yeah, because even like aside for... from from from from chaunty which is obviously it's a big aside but like you were supposed to take a leap forward and obviously like you haven't had everybody on your team but you haven't necessarily done that you just are like an NBA team and now it's like it's it's slightly

disappointing not everybody has taken the the big leap you had the first you know first couple games of the Tiago splitter era and everything was like fine and now it's just again nothing's great there so I think I think I think underperforming basketball team alleged felon coach D? Yeah, it's tough because their vibes are bad because they're such a bad offensive team still, but it's because of injuries and because they've had no point guards.

Like, that really is the whole story. But that's making the vibes bad. Like, it's a really, they can't stomach the injuries they've been dealing with. And it's not something I think we, like, blame them for forever. Like, it's not like they're one of the, they're not the most disappointing team in the league

because it's because of injuries. But vibes don't have to have any context. Vives are just vibes. Yeah. Your vibes stink. Okay. 10 spot, yeah, 14, 14, 20 right now. Yeah, it's a nice old D.

Okay, C, Thunder. Rosted decisions in 2025. They drafted Thomas Sorber, proceeds the terrorist ACL. Outside of that, they didn't do anything roster-wise because they didn't need to. Yeah.

So I think this belongs to B&A. Like, they could have made a decent decision, I guess. Yeah, I'll go A because you did, you signed Chet and, and you signed both of them to extensions and you didn't have to give them like the crazy, crazy, like accelerators in the,

in both of their deals. Is it crazy glazing of A, though, when they didn't do anything? Like, they don't need to. So, like, not to stay, it's bad, but, like, they didn't do anything. For max deals, you got team-friendly max deals?

Fucking, I guess. In the loosest way, I don't know. I do like Thomas Sorber. He's a great fit for this team and they're preparing for the eventual Isaiah Hardinstein departure. So they're getting ahead of it. It's a championship team.

Like, what are the decisions do they have to make, you know? I don't know. I think I, I just feel like, They didn't do shit, so why were you in an A? But like, over the course of the year, they did, well, I guess, when did they trade for? No, that was 2024. That was all 24.

They did nothing to the deadline. And people were kind of like, why ain't you going all in? They proved that they stood Pat and proved to the right decision. They wanted a championship. But I don't know if that necessitates an A necessarily. Did they do anything actively bad? No. I'm not saying it's an effort or anything, but.

They're a championship team so we can give them a day. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Where's not Declay's allegation is what I'm saying. I mean, coaching. I'm sorry. They're coming off of one of the.

most successful single seasons in the history. Yeah. Coaching. Mark Dagnall is one of the most brilliant defensive coaches alive, inept offensively at times. B? I don't.

Defensively, he's constructed an incredible game plan that has allowed them to strangle teams when a championship. Offensively says, Shee, go kill him. I don't like how he's been abusing, not abusing. I feel like there's so many, there's so much more you can get out of Chet. And it's, I feel like when it comes to coaching, that's So we on him.

He had some bad moments in the playoffs too. Chet did. Not Chet, not Chet. Oh, Mark Dackle. Yes, absolutely. He was getting done up by Rick Carlisle on the playoffs. I think he gets a B. Okay, that's fair.

Yeah, I mean, they did win a championship. It was not going to be a bad grade, but he had some, he had some blemishes in that run, made it a little more difficult than it had to be. Okay. He was playing A.J. Mitchell. Forcing those minutes. Oh, yeah. That was, everyone was like, what the fuck are you doing, dude?

You're tweaking, man. I get it now. Player of developments. AJ Mitchell became really, really good this season. Chet got better. He empowered him from the start. Yeah, Chet got better too. J-Dove got better, became a defensive mastermind last year.

The MVP of last year just got better. Kaysen Wallace got better. They won a championship off of a young players. Of course they're going to be. Yeah, that was the youngest NBA team in whatever championship. Of course they're getting a star performance. Shee became one of the two best players in the world. A.

A. A, like what else are you going to do? Vives. Vives. Hey. Hey, unless you're playing the Spurs, it's an A. Yeah. Real simple.

Everybody gets an A except for Mark Duck don't get to B. That feels very appropriate. That's funny. Timberwolves. Roster decisions. Uh-oh. What do they do this year? They let the goals.

They decided to choose Nasbreed over Nikiel Alexander Walker. Yes. They... Interesting decision, but we can understand it. They drafted a project center that won't be relevant anytime soon. Not a bad move, though. Cool. Very late first.

Sean Pick. It was really just losing to kill Alexander Walker. That's kind of all they did this year. Yeah, they stood packed and they relied on in-team development in Rob Dillingham and also Shannon Jr.

Sounds like a D. That should happen. So you can give them a D. Sounds like a D. They didn't do a damn theme but get worse. Yeah. They're just putting it on A,

that's it, right? It's like an understandable thing. You had to lose one of them. It's the perils of the second apron. You know, it's not like we're going to call for the G& to be fired, but just grade in 2025. Yeah. You didn't do jack shit.

Coaching. C. C. C. C or B minus Chris Finch is fine Chris Finch is fine He is a flawed coach That doesn't adjust well enough

But they're good with under him All the time for a reason He's not a bad coach Player developments And is taking leaps Yeah And he came into 2025 He came into 2025 as an amazing player though

The shooting leap happened In 2024 to start of the year So like I don't think we can attribute that The 2025 Ant had already made a conference finals But now I think the leap in his game That he's a better for

He's a better finisher now And then on top of that, like the mid-rage game is, it's an emphasis for him. It's been a real emphasis. And it's made the normal steps. Second on team, second team, all-N-B-A level to first-all-N-A level, I guess. So you have that leap. You have the non-leaps famously. We're bearing the lead right now.

Yeah, with Rob and with Tarynx. That's not, those guys haven't developed at all. We're like, that development was key to you guys cycling in all of this talent, and it has not happened whatsoever. James McDaniels has gotten better offensively, worse defensively in some ways, I think. Brudy Gobert and Julius Randall their connections developed. I don't know if that's necessarily the spirit of what we're talking about here.

No, so that's more coaching. I think, I think D. If, yeah, if you want to look at and say he's already, he was already on this like ascension track and you can give him a little bit of credit, that's fine. But I think given the severity of how bad they needed young talent development and it hasn't happened, I think it has to be a low grade. It has to be the

D or F and the, and his growth is the only reason why it's I agree. Star performance. Do we count Julius Randall as a star? Yeah, yeah, I think so. He had a great end of 2025. Like I said, Dave figured out how to get him rolling as a role man setting screens instead of staying in the corner,

playing off Rudy Gobert being in the dunker spot. That connection as a playmaker was really good. And I think Randall's coming to this year and also played well. And obviously, Ant has been incredible. Ants had some low stretches over the time. Like last year, couldn't make a lip to save his life. But overall, made another conference finals, continues to develop be one of the best players in the world.

I see no reason not to give him a. Yeah, like give them a 1-out. Yeah, like, you know, the issues have not been the top two guys and certainly that's the top one guy. Vives? B, they're rather fine. They're just a cool playoff team, right? We know who they are.

They're standing pat and they're continuing to try to retool on the fly, but there's no real anchor in the vibes. I would say, I would say A-minus. Overall, I would say B, but they are welcoming Kevin Garnett back into the cold. And so I would say A-minus because of that. that's that's important whatever a minus it is sure let's do it

you're bringing you're bringing the legend home you're bringing demon home Denver Nuggets last team this division roster decisions A hey the Michael Porter Jr. trade Michael Porter Jr. has been incredible so he's been better than Cam Johnson but getting rid of Michael Porter Jr. allowed you

to cut some costs there because Cam Johnson is cheaper and allows you to revitalize your bench bringing Jonas Valchunis bringing Tim Hardaway Jr. bring in Bruce Brown have some depth again and that depth has been essential because they've been dealing with injuries left and right coaching I think A

since they hired Adelman he's been great his defensive game plans in the playoffs fantastic the way going to this season we're getting the best version Jamal Murray

this isn't on him but they're getting the best version of Aaron Gordon because he's three now that's not necessarily Adelman's doing but overall I think the coaching is an extravagant

I agree now they did fire a coach in 2025 I don't know if we want to hold that against them from what happened before Adelman but I think Adam's been great enough that I don't really care

they did fire the coach but that didn't matter because this same coach who they resigned was able to drag them all the way into the Western Conference of Finals and the Game 7 versus the NBA champions. They could have very well been like champions. Yep. So, play development, Aaron Gordon

became a knockdown shooter, which that also was happening in 2024, but I feel like in 2025 that she became law. Like, he became incredible. His percentage this year is higher than it was last year. He got better. He did get better. Jerome Murray's bringing a full season of him playing really well. That feels like development to me. I think the real conversation

around this, when it comes to young players at least, should be around And what's his doing? Christian Brown earned a contract. Payton Watson. Payne Watson's become playable offensively. Yeah. Christian Brown earned a contract this year.

Much better offensively. Payne Watson. I think he's shooting like 37 or 38% percent, which is big. He used to be a non-factor on the end. So I think it's an A. Okay. Is he doing too much? I think it's B.

It's just been cool. All these are all pretty small leaps, but I think overall it's been good. Dark performances, it's Nicole Yolkich and Jamal Murray. Yeah, it's a night plus plus. What are you talking about? He's the best star performance. One of the best duos in the league. Vibes.

Everybody's hurt right now and it's kind of annoying but overall the vibes are cool. Bipes delay like injuries happen but Nicole Yoko is still going crazy yeah like I don't see how this could be anything lower than that. It feels like they have their best teams

since they won the championship like they have a real chance now because of depth. I think there's optimism in the air. Sounds like good vibes to me. Sounds good to me. Okay. And that is the end of the Western Conference.

Now moving over to the East. Starting off with the Atlantic Division we have the Philadelphia 76ers. What do you do with Ross? decisions for them. Okay. This year, 2025, or last year, whatever, 2025, you draft VJ? You did draft VJ. That's pretty goddamn great.

That's nice. And because, like, the bad decisions that would weigh you down, that happened in 24. Yep. Yep. Those sins are in the past. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm looking at them. I think taking VJ at three, that's, that's the big one. And that's going to carry. You have, you have a guy. I'm going to Yeah, there's, if you look at their roster, they took VJ. They didn't do too much. Their center position still kind of, like, Joel Embed is there.

He's been much better as of late. They took VJ. They could have traded that pick. There was conversations about that, whether or not they were real or not, like, they didn't do it. So, great move. I think I didn't even want to give them a C or B. Really, C. They didn't do too much to really blow my mind at all.

I mean, that's really all they did, and it's a resounding success. So B? Yeah, you did that. Re-sign Quentin Grimes. Well, he's on the qualifying offer. So he didn't resign Quentin Grimes, a big deal. So, yeah, I guess B. And that was a good move, too.

You stood Pat and you made a, you were patient. You didn't do anything crazy. You made a good draft pick. Cool. Did your job as B. All right, cool. Coaching. Hard to say when they've dealt with the anchors of the Paul George contract and

Jwell & B not being there. But, I mean, they're good team overall. They've empowered Tyreys Maxi, which maybe that's not on the coaching. Tyre's Maxi just got better. I don't feel like they're poorly coached. I feel like they're getting the most of what they can. I feel like, yeah, I feel like it's been like this for Nick Nurse. Yeah, he really isn't a fair chance.

For like three years straight. Yeah. It's not if we can see him in the playoffs and nobody's made of. Like, it's not really his fault. Just see, it's fine. Player Development. Hey. Tyreys Maxi became a top 15 player in the world undeatably this year.

Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I agree. Tyrese Maxi, you're right. He's a top 15. I think I had him maybe like 12 or 11 or something crazy like that. Some like that. Yeah. And on top of that, too, okay, outside of Tyrese Maxi,

Trent Woffer did get better he looks like a better player but he wasn't there the year prior but he did get a certain amount of opportunity to allow him to empower certain skills so I think that's like a good kudos as well I'll go A minus they gotta figure out how to let VJ

and Jeremy Kaine both develop at the same time that's the hard part of the conversation and it's difficult because there's three guards that are all smallish like they're not big defenders so maybe it's just not possible but I'll give A minus until they can figure that out star performance

now Dwell and Bid 2025 is the year where his prime ended It became official that it's kind of cooked. He's playing well as of late for post-prime dwelling beat standards when you can stay healthy. But it's not the same as it once was. And this year really defines that.

But Tyrus Maxy made a big jump. Paul George also stopped being a star this year. So this kind of more bad than it is good. But the good is real good. C minus. Just to be, yep, Tyrus Maxie hard-carrying. Yeah. Okay.

Vibes. I don't know why, but the vibes are really good still. The vibes feel like good. friends really like they do like this the vibes got so bad that like they burned and rose again like a phoenix and now we're in a better version with tiris maxi and vj edgecombe being the team and the other guys are just there that like you succumb to darkness and now we're in a new age yeah because you're no longer in this like you know that you're not in a championship window anymore and so yeah you're yeah and so like the the pressure of like oh we have to get there we have to we have to win a title

that's not there anymore so now we can just enjoy the basketball that's happening yeah it's like that meme where that dude's on the train and that he's looking at like the beautiful mountains and brightness and also like the depths of hell and it feels like the fans as a whole like have officially moved on from the joel and b and i don't want to say paul george eric because that show was not even an era at all but from that duo so okay now we have vj we got also tary smacks who's a legit star in this league i'm gonna choose happiness you no longer have the way of expectations you're liberated by your own midness because all you can be is mid so you might as well have fun yeah and that's i'm sure it's a good feeling

after all the tears they went through trying to be contendious for years good for them Toronto Raptors roster decisions they extended

Yakup Pertel they traded for Brandon Ingram and extended him damn they drafted Colin Murray Boyles which not necessarily a miss who knows

it's a good draft but he's a good player interesting player we'll see how he develops if you can eventually shoot right now he's the most unique players in the world

as this like six eight rebounding specialist he's crazy he's very unique he's very unique the strengths he has with the weaknesses he has are weird

he is weird no it's just funny But yeah, the branding room thing Traded them, gave up assets, paid him immediately. Not bad. The Yaku-Poto contract is horrendous. Not a whole lot of good here. Just a lot of okay.

It sounds like a C-mines. Yeah, it's a C. This is very much a C-team. Damn, they're all around. Yeah, yeah. There's some okay decisions with some terrible ones. Nothing that I'm like, great. I think in a few years from now,

I wish you could judge their manual quickly contract, but we can't right now, but I can't judge the Yaka-Poto contract and that shit is going to hinder them for the next few years. coaching I think dark was a good coach roster stinks and he's had some moments like beginning of this year their defense was so just not on a string the opposite of whatever people say you're on the string they're clearly the opposite they were very very off the string string was snap they had no synchronization in their rotations they were double teaming the living shit out of everyone earlier in the year in just inconceivable fashions but they've gotten that underway now as they got some games under their belts I think dark was offense and they move the ball around very very egalitarian offense is pretty good he strikes me as something who has control of his locker room. I think he's a good coach overall.

There's just no results because the team sucks. Our team's mid. So what? B? Sure, I guess. I didn't even want to give him C because, like. We'll give him dark was a good coach.

Again, he doesn't have no pieces to work with. I guess. We'll give him something. I guess, okay. They go on with that. Player developments. Let's see, Grady Dick is exactly the same player. He always has been.

Amanda Quickly's exactly the same player always has been. RJ Bear's the same player. Same player always has been. Yaka Purtle's worse. Scotty's better. I guess Jacoby Walter maybe is a little bit developed like barely.

See. I think indeed nobody's developed. I like, dude, Scotty Barnes has reestablished himself into All-Star He made an All-Star two years ago.

And he's making it again this year. Great, that's not a development, that's a neutralization. He redeveloped. He had a bad year the team was gone around him and now he just has the requisite pieces

and he's back to being able to be good. It's purely a team environment of thing. He's been good. He did not get substantially better. He just has a chance because the team isn't bullshit. He's a refurbished product. he's not he's not workable again he's not people just slanted him weren't paying attention but like

the team was just b-ass around him have you made it all-star two years ago and now you're back to be an awesome level just as good as you were two years ago i'm not giving you credit for developments no i'm yeah i'm gonna give you that it was a fake all-star two years ago and now and now it's right yeah so what i don't even guarantee i'd say it's giving up a see you called deep i'm just pushing back start performance whatever year for them he's changing their life Scotty didn't even new star duo performance

and this is what I was talking about earlier I think we're using the term star little Lucy Scottie Barnes I'm giving you a B minus keeping it pushing vibes what are the vibes on them because they were obviously incredible they won nine games in a row they're on top of the world they were the two seed for like 48 hours

Raptors fans were letting everybody know they were rubbing in everybody's face they're always like on a high tilt Raptors fans are always like They make you laugh when they had their moments For the Consider their vibes last year Were fucking F

Yeah So they tasted a success Start this year Then it kind of fell apart A little bit Now they're back to be mid I think it's probably a C C plus

C plus because They are who they always are And like they are They are better Like they're not gonna be In the playing Currently still the four seed They're one game ahead

Of the eight seed So they're still They're the four C for now But they're in that mix They can very well fall into the play in as a team to get right. No, my. C minus.

Yeah. Like, I see, I, oh, my God. I try to give him a little bit of credit. Can't do that. Can't do that though. C minus. Next team to talk about in this division. Boston Celtics.

Roster decisions this summer. They let Al Horford go. They let Chris Oswald's go. They let Drew Holiday go. They tore it down to the studs. So we are going to rebuild and take a gap here and let our young players develop. In my mind, that's not a.

Smart, though. It's a, it is. It's an A for retooling. Yeah, for money reasons. And they understood, like, you have no shot at this point in time. They could have, they could have stuck, Pat. They could have kept drawlady. We've seen teams be stubborn before in the past. They were not that.

I think this is several times this has happened. I think we're giving them credit in certain categories because of excellence in other categories. Because the player development has been incredible and the coaching's been incredible. It makes the roster decisions look incredible. No, I think, no. I mean, if you look at the players

that they decided. to let go and drew holiday hand on none. KP. He continues to have stomach aches. He just came back yesterday. That's nothing. They could have kept him. This is like, yeah, he just came back. If you look at every single pair that they've tried to make a decision off of, they got Anthony's Hyman's for fucking cheap little to nothing. That's a good move because why not?

Okay, but okay. So selling on the right times, you're going to be A for? Yeah, a lot of teams don't do that. We see it time and time again in NBA history. It bites teams in the ass and he sets them back for years. They did not do that. Okay. So selling was what was needed in that moment and you guys think to be the right choices there? Yeah. Okay. Coaching. A. A. A. He's making so much Just a madman He is one of them ones

No passing No finishing at the room Don't matter No it doesn't matter Top five offense Doesn't matter No point guards No good centers

Top five offense Shout out K to them Player development The fact that we have Jordan Walsh becoming an elite defender We have all these other wings We have Baylor Shireman We have Hugo

We have Nemeas Kada as a big Everybody's becoming a better version of themselves Ready for when they get Jason Tatum back They have a new cast of role players shout out of the play development. Yeah. Star performances.

A. He's an all-star. Jayne Brown has been an A this season. Last year in the playoffs. Not so much. I'm a really... Jenner-Brown was injured. I'm, I'm an index very heavily on this season

for a star performance. Yeah, he was hurt, so it's hard constantly battered last year, so it's hard for me to, like, really... K.P. was hurt. Drew Holiday fell off. I think at that point we considered him a star. Maybe not. Jason didn't get hurt, obviously.

But, but, before. Before he got hurt, the five most day he was playing. He was playing Jason Tatum basketball, right top five, top six player in the world. So you have that. And then now in this season, you have Jaylon Brown playing at the level that he's playing at. For 11 out of, in the months in which basketball is being played, you've had a player playing at, like, a top, top level. I think that they should have a thing. Vibes.

Hey. Even with the Jason Tatum Achilles and they are the three seed. Okay. They are, they are the three seed. And they are telling themselves that Jason Tatum is going to come. back and play basketball this year in 26. Yeah, I just think for vibes that we should acknowledge that Jason Tatum had a career

threatening injury. They were so down and then they were like, hey, we're so bad, we're so up. And they see him, like a part of the reason why this is A2 is because he's, yeah, you're right, like he's threatening to come back. Threatening to come back is hilarious. It's crazy. But I say that because they're like, he did

the boss. Yeah. this shot watch and threatens the play in week 18 yeah but they're in devons of conversations and debaunted their so funny territories like everyone all southern fans are ready to just ship it in like yeah go ahead and jb average 45 points or whatever it doesn't matter we were all like sailed into ship sold into idea of them like boosting up inflating anthony simon stats have let them average 17 or whatever it is

and ship them off like no like they're cool bro like the vibes are hey It's not what the path they envisioned But they're here and they're happy I feel like we should acknowledge the fact That they had the worst vibes of all time Because Jason Tatum tore his Achilles And now they've risen out of the ashes of course Hey man, it's a roller coaster

Things go down there's a marathon out of race Okay The New York Dix roster decisions What do we do with this? They didn't do much They stood pat They replenished her death a little bit Brought in Jordan Clarkson

Brought on Yabuselli He's been fucking horrible Honestly Kind of bad overall the roster decisions they replenish their depth but like it hasn't really worked they've been good because mike brown is so much better and because jordan clarkson is a bucket okay we're going to that's a success yeah the the clarkson is a is a success yabu not a success yeah that's that's fine i i i i'd overall we'll say we'll say see yeah we'll say c yeah we'll say c for rossard decision

you stood pat you knew you know yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly the biggest the biggest change that you had was in coaching yeah and so like for coaching we'll go B plus A like I think it's been why not go away I mean like the what could he have done better this year yeah honestly yeah let's go A yeah like yeah like you're a top seat in the eastern conference still start off the season whatever cat had to take some time into figuring out like how to consistently leave his mark on offense I think it's an A still the regardless of the okay player development tallocolic coming out in your two having some moments well considering that there's actual development being done yeah with with the young

players feels like a plus yeah it feels like like an a plus i be cool we'll go see we'll see because honestly really is like no development was happening yeah and now you just doing a little bit of it and a guy you two is just playing exactly yeah that's a couple of games we're on top of the world exactly because you were in hell before mr tibby star performances hey jelm brinson can tell you to have good playoff runs conference finals like hey yeah why not vibes. Hey. We just won the NBA Cup.

We are champion. The Knicks were champions in 2025. How do you contend with the fact that your grades spell out Cockar, though? Is this a sign from the stars? Ooh, this is for telling the future. Pistons make it to the finals, confirmed. Wow. Via grades.

Now we know. Get this off my skin. Brickland Nets. Roster decisions, they sell off on Cam Johnson, finally. Get a first round pick and Michael Porter Jr., who has been incredible for them. they draft three point guards a power forward slash center

that operates as a point forward and a promising 3 and D guy potentially overall I think a very I was going to say highly criticized unanimously criticized draft in which they had the most draft picks anybody's ever had they don't come out with it

with a class that you feel confident about but the trade for Cam Johnson was very good where does that net us out I didn't want to do this Oh they don't pay Cam Thomas Exactly that's the biggest thing They honestly be honestly B

The draft was bullshit so we can't go A They could have very much Like paid Cam Thomas 30 million dollars a year Just for whatever reason Yeah They didn't do that If you pull up A

When they drafted three DELs I completely forgot about You just said it I completely forgot about it Yeah They drafted French Dilo Israeli Dilo Where is Yeager-Denum from?

I don't remember European DELO The draft 6 foot 11 power forward DELO We'll go see for that That's honestly ridiculous It's crazy they did that And, like, you're just, like, guaranteeing one of those places of the work.

Well, again, maybe the strategy, all I need is one to work, whatever. He's Russian. Denham? Yeah. Oh, really? Or Demen? He's Russian? Yeah.

I don't think I knew that. I knew he was some kind of European. The name is Yeager. So I guess it makes sense. He's Russian. All right. Oh, he's like Russia. Yeah, he's from Moscow.

Oh, he's Russian. Yeah. Okay. We're going to go B-minus. Draft was so stupid. But, again, it might work out. We call it stupid. You never know.

I don't know. Draft. Oh, drafts really like make or break your organization. I don't know, actually. Like that could set them back years again. You did get a first round pick though. You got MPJ and a first round pick. Yeah, that's a great trade.

And then for MPJ to be playing at the level that he's playing, that's awesome. And to not pay Camp Thomas is huge. I think this draft, we could see the publications of the draft setting this organization back for years upon years. You're right. I just trying to get to... MPJ being good. I try not to get to overindexing on our opinion on the draft because like all it takes is Jaeggordem and starting to hit 40% of his threes.

And all of a sudden, oh, one of these point guards hit, Nolan Treor is a good six man. Like, yes, you're right, but we just don't know. I'm judging the process behind that. Three. They got a lot of advice. Three point guards. I'd fucking see.

Like the, the decision behind it, you're right. Whatever the outcome is, is the outcome that's similar to, similar to the Derek Queen stuff. Bro, what's going on? Treyore and Sarah, it's just so crazy. Come on, man. Come on. They all have the same weaknesses. Same strengths.

What are you doing? We got Danny Wolf in the corner throwing up fucking 40-put shot. put post moves coaching i think jordi fernandez is an incredible coach they're a great defense with non-great personnel a yes jriff nandez is that guy once they get some good players he is him last 10 games best defense in the NBA that's crazy ridiculous insane they have no business doing that at the zero business doing that it's crazy jory fendez is one of the best coaches in the league it seems player development man they developed the shit on microport junior he's never moved like this a day in his life

I mean what is he doing different he's just shooting more that's it I think George Fernandez is doing a good job of getting him in the right scenarios running off the screens the right type of touches they're not letting him just like pound the rock and do pick and roll they're doing a very good job of utilizing him off ball

like they do Larry Marketing I think that is tangible outside of that I don't know flex has been classing for a while he's been better he actually like made a midseason development in his playmaking which is very cool

but to me this is not sound as like it's the beginning of rebuilds it's hard to say yeah exactly i have nothing to show for camp thomas hasn't developed he's been the same guys as day one yeah so we give him see sure star performances they have zero stars we're gonna go at x unless in fucking micawage no no stop this stop this he tints it up for i think your vibes are pretty good i think b yeah why not like fucking port you just killed it nobody saw this coming as a tanking fan like honestly if you were to gauge the happiness of teams that have expectation like the

Atlanta hogs or their fans versus the Brooklyn Nets fans because the next fans are way happier yeah way happy Kobe they're chilling they don't be on anything they're just mediocre they just don't they got a game plan no they don't and that's the end of the Atlantic division moving on to the next Eastern Conference division we have Central and we're going to start off with the Milwaukee Bucks roster decisions they cut Damien Lillard They fired Damian Lillard post Achilles injury, wave and stretch his contract, bringing Miles Turner with that same move as a sign of trade. Honestly, that's about it.

I understand, like, why, like, the waving stretch part of it is, it's kind of tough because you're paying Miles Turner. You're essentially paying Miles Turner, like, more. Yeah. But you had to do what you had to do. If you are trying to keep Janice and Dame and his Achilles is no longer going to be there for this next year, here. Hey, man, listen, I'm sorry, but all of our focus is on yonis. We have to feel the most competent roster we can right now. I don't hate it as much right now as I

did in the moment. I'll give them like a B for that. No, B is too high for me. Why? Why the fuck would it be a B? How don't know. Yeah, they don't understand it. You can understand it. You can understand it. They are, they are one of the most, like, especially this off season. They were the most desperate team in the NBA. And they understand like, like moving, they do have to be grade on a curve because you are moving out of, you are moving in the most desperate form. We can understand the desperation and not say it's asinine. We don't got to pretend it was good. We don't got to pretend. That's what I'm not giving them an A, but like you have, you have to go out and get something. Yeah, yeah. Their go out and get something was going out and trading for Kyle Kuzma. I think that happened in 2025.

So that comes to. It did. Yeah. Are you sure? Yes. It happened in 2025. Okay. February 2025. Oh, great. So even worse. Exactly. So they didn't do much at all. So that was there something. Yeah, they're going to D. Miles Turner is not that good. He's a, dude, he's shooting 42% from the field this year. And we know, like, he's a jump shooting center, but still, come on now. No, they didn't do, they didn't do a good job. They couldn't have done a good job. We understand they were in a bad spot.

I'm not going to pretend they did a good job with it. It was going to be bad no matter what. It's negative player development. Coaching is Doc Rivers. You're getting a scene. I'm never going to change their mind. Player development, Ryan Rollins, it came really good this year. That is carrying hard.

Ryan Rollins, single hand. Okay. they did develop KPJ somewhat he's a useful player now he was fucking horrible before he got to the bucks he's been fine in these stretches he brings some offensive value can't defend a lick but he shoots well and scores a little bit and Ryan Rollins became extremely good for role player you needed Ryan Rollins to develop and you needed somebody to be good and they found somebody to be good I'll go the idea of getting rid of Damon Lurd was we can recreate him and the aggregate with these two guys that has succeeded now the roster still fucking sucks outside of that but that that didn't succeed

That's a rostered decisions. AJ Green is good. He is a usable player. Right, he's been developing. So I guess B's okay. I don't like that. It's fine because it's like seven pumpkins around him, but those guys are developed. Yeah, okay.

Star performances, Janus, of course you can get a. Mm-hmm. He's just, Giannis. Yeah. F. F. F. F. F. S. Yes. Triple F.

Yes. The vibes are horrible. Even if Yonis doesn't get traded, their fans are so worked up about defending him from not getting traded that their vibes are terrible. Oh, they just see They just see enemies everywhere they look That's still their star They just they should want

Yannis to pull the gun already read This is just No they shouldn't Because if Yonis for rest of trade You're gonna be bad for 25 years I mean they're gonna be bad For 35 years They don't either way

Because you're not gonna have any bakes In the future so Cherish Yonish while you got them You got nothing good coming after him Indiana Pacers Roster decisions They let Mous Turner walk this summer They

Good choice honestly Yeah Outside of that, they pretty much standing pat and waited. Honestly, good. Smart. Yeah, good choice for them. They could have given Bennett and Mathron

a massive extension or whatnot. Didn't do it. Shout to that. I'll go, I'll go A for them. Hey. I don't know about A. There's not much to be made. There's no business to be made.

I mean, considering that, like, you knew that Tyrese was going to be out, going into the offseason, and you didn't double down on the exact team. Didn't they, like, trade for their pickback or something like that a couple of days before Tyree's like bursted as Achilles. Yeah. In the finals. So that is very strong. B. Okay. Sure. Yeah. So

who's who are those to give off on I don't want to give A to roster decisions unless they sound like great. And like it was cool. They did some small, smart stuff. I feel like a lot of teams, especially teams like the Pacers who like to be competitive they could have very easily fallen into the trap of

yeah. We're going to bring everybody back. We're going to be as competitive as possible. And they still, like, had that messaging throughout the summer, but they said, we can do that and not have you. True. And so that's the only reason why I do think that that was like an actively smart thing to do to not bring back Miles Turner. Yeah. Coaching A plus. They made it to the finals off of incredible coaching.

Rick Carlisle had one of the most legacy-defining non-finals victories I've ever seen from a coach. Yeah. Just to get there with that unit and be able to push a team that great that far. One of the best coaching performances in my lifetime. Agreed. And he got to kill the necks on the way there. Man, that was crazy. Yeah, it was generational moments.

Player developments. That was a wild two weeks. Player development, I think we got a good stretch of Benedict Mathrim in the last year. You know, he had some important playoff moments after a lackbuster year. Aaron Neesmith continues to develop and to be one of the better three-nd D wings in the NBA.

Tyre's Halliburton was obviously, I don't know if he called the development. It was kind of up and down, but he was playing his best basketball and it mattered most. I think he's still the age we can call developments. I think for me, when I think about player development, I look at, like, other ancillary pieces.

St. Andrew Nemhard, he's been better. Nymard, Nymard, yeah. Emerged this year. He merged, yeah, he merged last year back to back years in playoffs. But really, this year was like, 2025 playoffs was like the emerges at the level.

And same when Nismith, I think. He was good before that, but he really got good. And again, murdered the Knicks in cold blood. Yeah. I think you even beat for those two. Man, okay.

That's a small side. Are you, what you want to go lower? I think about Jarrett and Rone and go lower. I think about Benedict Mathuron and I'm just like, ah, but what if these guys guys? I was just, like, really not that good. Should that, like, hinder the Pacers as an organization? I don't think so.

Do you have two other guys that, especially in Eastman and Nemhart, that were going toe to toe with the best team in the NBA? Contributed to a finals run. That's crazy. Yeah, you're right. Star performances. Hey, Pascoe and Halberton played fantastic in 2025. Yeah, okay.

Vives. Okay, so they were A and then there were F. this lends itself to be a C right now I'm not gonna lie when you hit that mountain top you get to snatch away from you with an Achilles injury

on the 47th hour right there you're one you're four three quarters away from winning a championship yeah and your stars

Achilles is torn yeah F Loki Loki you were so close to greatness and it was snatched such a disastrous way

Loki F Loki F loki and now you've lost 10 straight games are the worst team in the NBA I'll go D

just because you did You did get there Yeah But sometimes getting there And losing it It's more painful Than never getting there And the way they lost it

I'm not even I don't even know If they're like At least we had the moment We won't know We won't know that Until Tyrese's career is done Okay

Fair If they never get And until we know For a fact that they never get back Okay I just think they have They have a specific Breed of disaster

That I would rather Never have that moment Than feel it I think about that forever What could have been If you're a Pacer's fan It's like Yeah you got pain

All around You can't even like go crossboard and look at football because the same shit happened. Obviously you make it to the top but man. Came look at the WMBA. It's not going well there either. It's so bad. Everything's bad. Detroit Pistons. Roster

decisions this year honestly 2025. Mostly standing pat. They stood pat for the most part. They brought in Carous overt. Yes. Cool. Sure. Yeah, whatever move. They brought in Duncan Robinson. They lost him Lee Beasley to the feds and they replaced him with Duncan Robinson.

Not really a decision. Yeah. Kind of had to. Getting dunk into the play zone, best you could do. You got another shooter. Yeah. Kind of a beat. It's fine.

They decided to stand pat and just rely on internal development. Beak, cool. Coaching. Hey. Hey. Yeah. They are the number one seed in the Eastern Conference right now. Who would have seen this scene is coming?

They have a new defensive identity. They maximize their youth athleticism. Goods facing, good defense around them, you know, especially before J.Bick your staff. Yeah. Shout up. Player Development. Jalen Duren, you became a borderline, also level player this year.

Cade, I think in 2025, early in this, like, second half of last year we really started to realize. Top 20 player in the world. Now he's pushing top 10. That's a real development. Asar, he had the blood clots stuff. I don't know how to gauge that development.

Ron Holland's playing really well. I'm very encouraged by his development. Really up and down the roster, it's a lot of hits. I get this in A, yeah. It's just Jay Knive. He's the only one that hasn't really done anything, but maybe he's never will. Hey, star performance.

Playoffs didn't go off for Cade. Nobody wants to say that. Did not go well for. Cade. He needed to take that ass open to get better from it and learn. And so the team to see what type of, type of disadvantages the rosters puts on him in terms of lack of a ball handling. So he did get Molly Woff in the playoffs. But he's been great around that. So I'm not going to give like a bad grade. Yeah. And I think also think everyone also kind of acknowledged. This is this first time in the playoffs. Yeah. It's like it's fine. I think he might get a little bit too

much of a pass. But I don't think people acknowledge enough, especially as it relates to what they need to do, what they need to do for the roster to make sure he doesn't go through with that. Because I think it's just clear that he needs another score next to him and not have that much defensive attention and I feel like

Kate is such good PR that kind of got swept into the rug a little bit because I think there should be more conversation that they need to make a trade for a really good ball handler next to him

and I feel like that's been kind of ignored because he was given that like pass you know this is not about the greatest this is a different conversation yeah

yeah sure start performance you still want to go away yeah I think I think Kate for a majority of the year has been awesome

and we in that conversation is the line of Kate is overtaxed so he's doing so much more than he reasonably should be asked to do so yeah I'll go A and then for vibes like they're

listen the prisons are back like A yeah they're back and they're violent and they're bad boys again it's great they're easily A well all A is but a B for roster decisions because of you stood still

yeah they're young team what a great year Chicago Bulls roster decisions you pay Josh Giddy now they didn't pay him what he wanted They didn't. They gave them a modest contract. Yeah.

Middle class, $30 million contract. That's $15 million about 10 years ago. And we would say that unanimously, that's a very fine decision move. Sure. Yeah. It's defensible at the least. Yeah. In the draft, they bring in...

Noah Isengay. Sengay, who played like five games in the car for the rest of the season, that's tough. Yeah. Probably a fine decision. He's a raw guy. We're not going to learn in year one either way. That's going to be a good decision or not. Who knows?

It's TBD on that one. but outside of that what did they do they traded Zach Levine in February very true they did do that for nothing for nothing shout to Zach Collins

we were having all this conversation go ahead and put everything for C on the Bulls which is this is the biggest mid-team coaching play development start performance vibes no F for vibes C for everything else F for vibes

that's the Bulls for the last 20 years and didn't change thank you next team Cleveland Cavaliers roster decisions They lost Tid Jerome this summer, not necessarily the decision, kind of secondary apron tax, right? And they brought in Lanzibald to replace him, which has not been a good idea so far. Hasn't worked really at all.

And that's kind of all they did. Ah, man, yeah. Well, this is an F. Oh, wait, no. In February, they brought in DeAndre Hunter. Well, that's a D. That's a D. Your use, all right.

Coaching. Early 2025, what Kenny Atkins did last year, I think got him to. Was he coached the year last year? Yes. Yeah, that carries a lot. So you're a coach of the year, you go in the playoffs, you get hurt, your team goes I don't think they lost because it was coaching this year. I don't think they're losing because it was coaching.

I think there's a lot of other issues there. I'm giving him an A still. Kenneakinson transformed this team. I agree. Play developments. Edmoby took a huge leap last year, won DPOI to zero leap this year. Now he's going to call 18 and 8 because he's the same guy he was. Darius Garland has been injured, so hasn't been going to take much of a leap.

But last year was very good before the injury. The role guys. Jalen Tyson got much better. He got a lot of opportunity. from his rookie year. Craig Porter Jr. is a good player. They replace his minutes of Alonzo Ball. I said that he should be the 18th man on this roster.

18th, Raston doesn't have been on this roster in general. That's good. But does it deserve like hell of a lot credit? That's probably beat. It's a cool development. Again, the reason they're bad is not their player development. It's so funny. They're going to get all these positive grades and they still been lackluster.

It really is. We keep talking about them being such as a big disaster. It really does come back down to injuries for a vast majority of their problems. Yeah, you're right. So far this year, I didn't know this, but they're big four in Allen, Mobley, Garland, and Mitchell only played 75 minutes together. Yeah, they really just got to fuck by injuries. And, like, nobody likes them and feels like their frauds are ready, so they've been given zero grace. It really is mostly injuries.

Yeah. Okay. So I think B played development. And that's exactly how we feel. Yep. If you're fraud, it's approved otherwise, you get no, zero grace. Yep. Star performances, Garris Garland gets hurt every single time of playoffs come around.

That's unfortunate. Evan Mobley is not the offensive player. It really too much to lift that. And Donald Mitchell just unloads the clip because they're really. Everybody's hurt. He's so damn good at unloading the clip, though, man. I'm going to be minus here. Sure.

Yeah. Well, do you want to do about this year? Do you want to hold the injury stuff against them? Is that the minus? It depends how. I think so, yeah, because you're not able to perform if you're not there. I mean, we're doing that. I'll go, I'll go see because now, now for Garland, he, like, legitimately is impacted and

is not 100%. And it's been like that. At very, very key times all throughout the... Okay, let's go C-plus. The year. Yeah, but then you got Donovan Mitchell, like, still giving you 30 on every single given night. And then Evan Mobley still productive.

C-plice. I don't know if it deserves a C-plus. Could be a B. Whatever. What are you doing? He's throwing up? What? Donovan has diarrhea.

He said he'll be right back. He has to go run to the bathroom. I think he's going to go chugs and pepto. He's having... He said it leaked. That's disgusting. He's going to clean himself up right now. The mics can't hear it, but he's blowing his bitch up right now.

He's like, you're wiping your pants off in the sink? Dude, use the bathroom. No, that's blue right there, not on blue! Oh my God. He's got diarrhea all over my counters? Yeah, I think leave the pants off the dry. You're despicable. Yo, it smells crazy here, man.

Yeah, you stink. Yo, he just toot it and like a bunch of justice dispersed from his ass. He's not a charlie brown character walking with a cloud around. I got a bump is nonsense. Vibes are an absolute F because the injuries and because it feels like they're so injured that they'll never be good again.

Yeah. Sorry guys. Such a disappointment. Tough. They're the eighth seed right now. That's so hilarious. Fake eight seed, of course, but man, that's so bad.

That's really good. They'll probably get back, though. I think they're probably going to be fine still. Yeah. But we'll see. I've been saying that for a while. Maybe a certain point you're just not fine. Yeah, I sense this is going to be one of those teams

where they're going to make a late run in the second half of the year. Hopefully everyone gets healthy and they surge back up to the third seed. And everything's okay. At least I hope so. Last division, we got the southeast, the Washington Wizards. What do we do with their roster decisions? What did they do?

Um, Cid McCollum's there. Mm-hmm. Nice. True, true. They brought in, Tray Johnson. Very nice. I like that. I love that pick.

They brought in, um, Chris Middleton. Okay. Veteran. D.C. Like, they didn't really do too much. Yeah, it's just see. They just had it. They had the six pick in the draft and just pick the six best player.

Yeah, cool. Coaching. I have no idea. I have zero feel for how good their coaching is, but they're one of the worst teams in the NBA and have taken zero steps towards being respectable. I don't know if it's his fault at all. Can I have no feel for how good he is as a coach? You got to get enough though.

You got to go down with the ship. Yeah. Okay. It's probably not your fault. Player development. Kishon George has become very good this year. Solid, respectable 3-Indee player that would be there for a long time. Saar is getting a lot better this year, I think.

Yeah, he's made a number of. I might say like a massively, but he's even, he's been better, you're right. Below Kulibali has not. I think he just might not be good. So I'm not going to hold that against him. That makes me sad. I think he'll never be to hit a three is what it is.

I think George and Sarr are taking steps. It's all it would be. Okay. That's meaningful. I think like for a team that has been in a rebuild for so long, you need something to show for it. And you're starting to get that. And if you have two players that they can actually be a part of your core moving forward,

that's good. I would like you to have more than two. I would like to be further along near rebuild. but you have two I'm probably three because Ray Johnson is a shooter yes he's been shooting some deep-ass threes

he's good he shoots so deep it's crazy they should have been playing him like this a while star performance you don't have any we want to talk about

that for a second vibes you're the worst team in the NBA for most of the year until the patients caught you F

how could you be how could you have good vibes you are the worst team you are so far from respectable Miami Heat roster decisions this summer

got Norm Powell got Norm Powell that's good great move great move Did they get Dave on Mitchell on February? Or is he there last year? I can't remember the timeline.

I think he was there last. Okay, so David Mitchell was not part of this. You trade Jimmy Bullard this year. Wow. For Andrew Wiggins. He was a realtor. It's a good trade.

He forced your hand. He eliminated his value on purpose. So it's a fine trade. You did what you could. Yeah, you could have done worse. You didn't want to trade him. He made you.

He kind of controlled where he went. That feels more. The Jimmy Buller saga feels more of a, of a vibes conversation. as opposed to like an erasted decision. B. Ross decision. You guys are reloaded.

You guys have so many good, interesting young wings now. Shout out Pell Larson. Shout out Fontechio. Shout out Wiggin. Shout out Hamehakis. You guys have built a solid role player team. Yes. Coaching.

Hey. Hey, you've transformed your team this year. You completely reinvented your offensive identity. You took everything that the grisies were doing and said, I'm going to make that uniquely us. We're going to do that while playing a million miles per hour. And again, it's made guys like howmihaka is viable. Yeah.

It's given Pell Larson a new career. Yeah, it's giving your offense like a second win to keep up in this new age. Yeah, and hopefully when you get some down on the door and you get another good star in there, it will show. Mm-hmm. Player developments. Uh, I think I will go for A because I think, I think this, this new system has allowed so many people to, yeah, to get their, to get their game off.

And so now you've created an environment where it actually fits the people that you have on your team. A lot of coaches don't do that. They're not adaptable like, uh, like that. I'm Tyler here, we came an all-star in 2025. Okay. Before that change. And now Calil where is making a jump?

Yeah. I don't know if it's Khalil or Kellel. I'll say Bulls forever. I've heard everybody says both like nobody knows. Yeah. So where is amazing. Hymie Hawke has made a development too. Yep.

Worthy. Again, Pell Larson is nice. Do you love Pell Larson? It's like eight times in the last two weeks. That's cool funny. He is dope. You love him. Star performance.

Yeah. I still hate watching Batman by own offense. That hasn't changed. Again, Tyler Hero did make an all-star team. Earned his right into the star performance. I was like a B minus. I don't know if I want to give them. I'm going to give them C.

They are the most regular stars in the world. Yeah. They're not changing. That is the most regular star duo in the world. Yeah. You know what? C plus. Okay.

A little sparkle because BAM's good at defense. Okay. Vives. So they went through the Jimmy Butler era, which was the worst vibes ever, but I've risen from that and they are in this new, new vision where they don't even think about Jimmy. Where does that leave us vibes wise?

Have they, have they won the breakup? Nobody's won the broke up. break up. Everybody, everybody died. It feels pretty lateral. All right. C plus. But it does look like they're having much more fun on offense. Does

everyone gets to get their game off to a degree? Does heat culture still feel alive? It feels like a C plus level of heat culture. Yeah. It does. They just exist now. C plus is fine. Atlanta Hawks. Roster decisions. You brought in Christopps Porzingis this summer. You brought in

to kill Alexander Walker this summer. You extended Jalen Johnson this summer. You did not extend. Trey Young this summer. You did extend Dyson Daniels this summer. And you drafted Ace Anul. And brought in Luke Knark, too, as well. I forgot. He also plays for the team.

He's a very forgettable player. He's so annoying. He does keep a job because he's white and makes threes at some point in his career, so now you can do it forever. The decision, the thought process behind it is an A. Now we're great outcomes here, buddy. No, I'm thinking about the- Everybody's great.

Everybody's got outcomes. What would you have changed? I would have done the same exact thing. I guess the same I guess he's a new pick is fine I don't know He's a good player He's a productive player

Yeah yeah Yeah that's a good or it's fine Like we don't know If it's good or bad yet It's like it's cool No nothing to say So far he's he can play Winning basketball

Yeah doesn't feel like a miss Yeah KP doesn't fucking play But when he does play He's super impactful Played last night And it was amazing Or two nights ago

It was amazing But he doesn't play But it was for We traded virtually nothing Yeah So that was a good move And the contract He gave out of cool

Yeah I don't know Nikale Alexander is still like one of the best off-season edition. So I think it's an A still. I'll give you a B. B's unfair. We didn't, if we were to extend it trade too on top of this, that ruins this.

In my mind, like we're a C because you just handicapped your organization. We're playing. We're playing it smart. Dude, I don't want to talk about this. They don't care. It's smart. Take your fucking A. That makes you feel better by your season. I'm taking my aunt. Coaching, you get a C.

Quinn Snyder is fine. No, fuck that F. Quinn's not. He hasn't done nothing to change he's so average. Dude, one of the things that he talked about in his his interview coming into the year. He mentioned how, yeah, see when it comes. This is before he got, before, like, he played his first or coach's first game.

He was like, yeah, I know his team tends to overhelp him. We still do the same exact shit. He sees our issues, makes it worse, bro. He sees that we're bleeding. He's like, wait a minute, I got some for it. Brings out a fucking dagger. He doesn't do anything to help us at all. He's so annoying.

Like, it's over with. I'm done with him. I gave him time. I gave him time. But now what's up? Okay. F. Player development.

F. Zachary She hasn't done jack shit Dyson Daniels did make a jump Sorry Jaylon Johnson is here He averaged like 26 10 and 11 For the month of December That's so damn good

He could make an all NBA team Like those discussions aren't I'm gonna shoot now That's important He got better D plus But Dyson Daniels is still stealing money I feel like it's probably a C

He can't drink Oh his dribbling's not good enough right Five, C minus. God damn it. He's so annoying. Stealing money. Yeah. Star performance.

Trey Young. Oh my God. What do we do with you? Oh, man. Okay. Is Jalen Johnson a star? Yes. Yes.

He's going to be an all star this year. He probably deserves me one of the worst stars. He's crossed the Rubicon. You didn't have to say one of the worst stars. He's a star. He averaged a triple double in the month. His defense is a fucking joke.

At first we were like, I want to see him start playing more defense. It's a fucking joke at this point. I'm so sick of. Dude, I wish, like, we would have, I wish you guys saw how he played defense like two years ago when he was getting it out the money. It was great. He was good. He was so good. Yeah, there was a point couple years ago. He had like a 10 point defensive rating swing when he was in the court.

He was important. He was the most aggressive, versatile defenders in the NBA. Now, I think Palo Ban Carroll is a better defender than Jaila Johnson. I think you're a better defender than Jail Johnson. Palant Carroll is huge at least. Jaylon Johnson is out there tired. Yeah. Okay.

And with the trade thing, trades to get traded. You can give it a C because Jailon Johnson does save this. He's caring heavy. Vives. fucking see like everything else in their goddamn life. No, no, I feel like the vibes are enough. I don't know. If you tell Troy Young this, he's living life right now.

That's the one thing I will speak up on this team about. Trey's still posting about this team. I do think the vibes are now. Trey making Sons of Cuevo still. He thinks he's a part of this for the long run. Fuck them vibes. What that one tweet say? It was funny.

Poor guy just doesn't know it yet. You look at his feet. He's loving his life in Atlanta. He's loving his life in Atlanta. Charlotte Hornets. Rastardt. You draft Colin Cinnipple. You trade Mark Williams to the Charlotte Hornets on draft night.

You bring in Calc Brenner and you bring in Cion James. Oh, great, great picks across the board. In varying levels of respectable role players to future stars potentially. Pretty goddamn good. I feel like B is. I feel like A. Yeah, it's an A. Consex is there to give them, like make them stable around that perum representation too.

Yeah, I think this is an A. Yeah. You didn't do anything bad. Why not, right? My bad. Nothing bad happened. Yeah. Coaching.

I don't know. I don't know I don't know I don't know Hey Charles Lee You used to work for the Celtics I think you're smart I think you prioritize threes

You guys get a lot of them up You guys have a modern approach I don't know What do you do I don't know It's hard to tell The Ross has been such a disarray For such a long time

They rarely have their stars Healthy Truly hard to tell If they're gonna be A good program or not But I feel like they're doing The right things It's just the outcomes

We'll wait and see That's gonna be Yeah okay Player developments Oof Okay So the rookies are really good Oh, they've had exactly one good week of Tijon Salon so far.

Oh, you're right, you're right. He's the opening. We are not going to count that as to the better. You do not remember just how bad he was because you stopped paying attention to him. When he was at his worst, he was the worst player in the NBA. I understand that we're not, he's a capable bench player. We are not going to give one week. I'm sorry.

We turn the biggest bust in the league into a respectable wing. We can't do that. A plus. We can. You're going to watch us do it for one week. Yes. Really. Bro.

Honestly, it's been about two weeks now. I forgot. He's good, man. See, I haven't done an update. I haven't looked at his stats this past week. I don't think I watched them this week. Let me check. He's good.

He's good, man. Last two games, three for five from the field, 17 minutes. Not too bad. Time on, Tom on. One for four from the field. We're talking about player development for the year of 2025. And he just looked at us and said, last two games. This season?

Do you understand how the fooling this is happening right now? That is inside. That's crazy. Here we up. In 22, last season, he shot 32% for the field. Okay. This season, 50% from the field. Last season, he shot 28% from three.

This is in 44. Okay. Yo, that's insane. Last season was five points per game. What is this year? Six. You guys are dumbest hell. We can't.

Hey plus man We grade on the curve for them And this is the hornets We're talking about right now We can't do this We have to grate This is dishonesty No

He actually is like He actually is developing He actually is D solid down Like he actually is a playable Like solid big one now I understand I

What does that bring him And like For player development And like using him As an actual like piece I don't I don't know But a majority of the year

Sure sure But in year two He really is like An actual development story No I don't know how far That takes him When we do report cards in 26 and we have like much

more time of you being an actual NBA player than okay fine. The boost my test I think you can tell he's an NBA boom for it so I want to be ready for that but I'm what I'm saying is I don't know what else I got outside of that so I don't know where that brings us you know where that brings us then I can't tell mellow and Benet Miller haven't developed

at all 22. Oh Musa Diabate he's good he got see they got two good role players at this yeah I forget about him he's see see yep a star performance What? Is the Mellow Ball Star?

Yes. D. Never healthy. Vives. D. Concanipples really made the vibes pretty good. I mean, I think with the Mello around. The vibes are, if Lamello's there,

Eric Collins there, and then you got a good in between and Concanipal. I think it's a B. It's a good vibes. I would like to be not a fan of this team, but around this team. And they're really watchable this year. They're not a complete disaster in the same way. They're a good offense.

Yeah, they're watchable. Yeah. So, okay. There you go B. Orlando Magic. Rostal decisions, you trade four first round picks for Desmond Bain. That's the highlight of the summer. What else they do this summer?

They brought in, uh, they trade Jones. Is it trade Jones? No, Tyos Jones. Tice Jones is fucking horrible. Yeah. Every time I watch him, Zero impact.

I keep thinking about the fact that when we talk about it somewhere, you were elected, brought in shooters, Ty's Jones the first day you said. Yeah. He's, he's, he's been a respectable shooter for his career. No, he's not. Dude, how bad of a shooter do you think Ty's Jones is? He's a non-suter in terms of people respecting him as a

spacer they do not be caring listen man you're not closing out harder to Ty Jones 30 listen man he sucks I hate Ty Jones he's not the worst player in the world damn near lokey he is horrible he doesn't offend a lick has no scoring aggression

does playmaking doesn't matter nobody respects him as a shooter he doesn't slash he can't cut he's horrible I will say a better name the he's a good name that's exactly the best part about about everything that just happened is that you're going off on Tyres Jones

Mo looks up his stats to defend him and turns the iPad I put it down I looked at his number this year I'm my Lord I knew they're bad He's like he can't be Go ahead go ahead

Go ahead I didn't look at it again I've seen this number right here I said What's that say 3.4 points for game I put it down I said oh Lord

I see he's a good even in league that long He's a good name Stop his tracks It's like I can't do this I can't defend anything I'd be a liar Can't do anything

The Desmond Bay trade's cool You know A trade Yeah too soon to tell What it's the ultimate Dave's Richardson is a good player Very playful Yeah he's good

Yeah Too soon to tell what the Desonbane trade Will bear out long term The plosster is really gonna matter And how that affects him Against playoff defenses Thanks Dan and Paula Buchero

This summer to Give him a humongous bag Looking kind of rough But again we're judging him At his worst It'll probably be okay Fine-ish It's been

C-plus Because I like the dozen main trade Yeah, I think B doesn't We all like the dozen main trade No reason to change it now Wanted to give him B, there we go The Cessna waters Coaching, man, you're lucky

You didn't get fired that for his week Dude, but it's been better Our offense has been better Yeah, the top 15 offense For a majority of the year now I don't know where they're at On the season, I think it's probably top 15 I think it's yeah

Probably up really on that Defense hasn't been good We're getting there See, he's a fine coach The players have been a bigger issue Yeah, play development Anthony Black has become a godsend Dude he has developed

He is like surging right now With that being said, Palovin Caros is in the opposite of developing, so we're only going to give you a B-minus overall because it cancels each other out. Dude, Anthony Black, so far this year is averaging 15 points, bro. Actually, Palis is the opposite developing. We're going to see. Sorry, Anthony Black. You're getting him out of the depths of F. God damn, man.

Star performance, F. Franz. No, Franz is fine. Bane is fine. D. Okay. Wow. Actually, let me stop.

Do we hold back this year, this season, Palis been horrendous. Last season, he wasn't D. Yeah. So the whole year. don't give me that playoff shit I'm so sick I'm hearing about these playoff losses when he empties the clip I'm sorry man

I'm so sick of this playoff riser bullshit because he shoots a lot I'm fine with it is someone necessary though I mean yeah somebody has to take the shots but it doesn't make it more valuable than he is in the regular season yes and no but like that's I really don't care

about that right now because this season for Palo has been obviously extremely disappointing and as somebody who was super, super high on Palo. And, like, you are doing all the other things that, like, you kind of need to do to be, quote unquote, the guy, right? You are comfortable taking these shots and shouldering an offensive load in the playoffs.

That's fine. Now, for the other eight months of the year, I need you to be able to play competent basketball. And I need you to be able to lead a team to top 20 offense, the top 15 offense, the league average offense. And it hasn't been there. And this year, we've had some of. we've had conversations that should not be had

for a guy that went number one overall and we've had conversations about hey should he Loki be betrayed should they think about moving on like if you have him and Franz has Franz already lapped him and I like yes he has been shooting poorly

but also these are like the ways of which he is getting to those poor shots is something that has been an issue the entire time and I feel like The 2025 was a year of aesthetic for Palo Ban Carroll where it wasn't even about it wasn't even about the numbers it is when we watch you you are not playing the right way you're not playing right you're not playing smart basketball you're not playing quick or decisive basketball and once we can fix that then we can actually start to worry about are the shots going in that's a 26 problem we I need you to to be better in that aspect of basketball so it just hasn't been great throughout the entire entire. year so I these fun okay okay it the pilot conversation is always so hard yeah it's like

it feels at a certain point you run out of patience and you run out of assuming young players will hit their utmost ceiling but you also don't want to do that too fast because you don't want the pie on your face if he just figures it out and plays like slightly better than before when he's at his worst but I don't know like maybe maybe he is just Julius Randall like I don't know maybe he's not this top maybe he's not Blake Griffin he's Julius Randall yeah Hard to say, but it's also, it's hard to say he is either way. We'll see. Time will tell.

Listen, when are we going to know? Listen, even Julius Randall can shoot better than this. Like Julius Randall was an all-NBA player who led the team with absolutely no shooting to the playoffs. Like, even that can happen. And we will see if, if Powell can get there. I think by the middle of next year, we'll probably have like a pretty good sense of whether or not it's actually going to happen. And if a leap happens after that, then shout out.

but it's probably going to be more unlikely than not if we are at January 1st in 2027 and still saying you know like can Paolo figure it out can he play that hook can you play quicker like if he if he doesn't play quick now and you have a guy like Franz next to you you have a guy like Bain who is playing good basketball now and is not like actively hurting you the same way that like KCP shooting poorly last year would have would have done you have anti-black emerging you have pieces now around

you. So where's I put you for the vibes? For the sake of the conversation, being around your star, yeah, I was about to say the same as I think. You have conversations about your star player, you're one-A-guy not being a one-a-guy, finally. Yeah, no. In regards to everything, they've been much better as a team offensive.

Specifically, doesn't bane as a demon and all that. It's still a C because you have the biggest, the worst question than any team could have. Yeah, I think for the magic, what you would tell yourself is hey, we don't have to figure out everything all at once, right? Just worry about the offense now, and then as we get better and better and more comfortable

with Desmond Bain, then we can actually work on being a top 10 offense and worry about the overall fit, like one step out of time. So there is still good to come out of this season and they are, you know, playing better right now by SAC minus. Okay. And that is our last team. It's only fitting. We grade one of the most controversial teams in the NBA to finish it out.

That is our report card for every single team. Donovan, what time is it? Me? Mm-hmm. I think that mean I'm not going to think about that. I think about the juice I'm like, oh yeah it's TikTok time

the first one in 20206 let's make this one legendary welcome to TikTok time starting off 2026 got to start off with the draft we're going to do another draft where you two are you two are drafting one-on-one against each other. Well, I name a category of players for you to build your team with.

So, you're out the way. So this food. Last time we did it, I made you guys go position by position. I said a point guard, then a shooting guard. Give a category for each one. This time you can put the players wherever you want, any order you want. Okay. First category, pick a player six foot or shorter.

Ooh, six foot short. Donovan's first pick. So is this all time or current? All time? Whatever you want. Is this the listed height or what we know that they are? I don't know. Who does that matter for?

Let's see what you're talking Yeah, we'll see Well, I'll make a ruling in each case Chris Paul What's Chris Paul listed at? Is he 6-1? I think he might be listed as like 6-1 Honestly, maybe 6'1 straight Does he count?

Because if Chris Paul, if they say that Chris Paul Is 6-1, that is a lie He's not He's not good. I don't know if it's a lie, is it? He's listed at 6 feet, I'm taking Chris Paul. Okay, I'm thinking Chris Paul. That's my point guard.

Okay, fair enough. Okay. Mo, where are you going? Who is your small man? Alan Iverson Is he listed at six foot? I think he should be listed at like He was not listed at six feet

I don't think he's six foot I think he's tallly No Yeah, Alan Everson is taller I think No are you serious I'm pretty sure Double check yeah

No he was listed At six feet Okay What are you going to put him at My one Okay Comptively Yeah

Put him on my one Okay I could swear They had him at like six two That's crazy Six-Duby nuts I thought it was six one Okay both fair

Good interpretation is the rule one inch I mean a lot of players don't even 6-1 that happens a lot guys

there's 6-1 okay Cory Joseph 6-1 next up category two a player

six feet or shorter six feet or shorter again fuck give me Isaiah Thomas the old one

Detroit's one I think he's definitely 6 foot he's definitely six foot I have the most doubt about him I put

everything he's 6 foot I don't believe you I was in an elevator with him during all-star weekend like two weeks two years ago I was tall He's getting older so he is shrinking Exactly and I know like Don't tell me

Bro that's a fucking laugh at 6-1 Yeah let me check Bassel reference Let me check Bassett reference too 6-1 6-1 6-1 to 6-1 What the fuck are we talking? Sorry man pick another one That's so such guy

Okay whatever Six foot players Pick the other one The other one is there But what's up a defense Am I play right now? Alvin Iverson and Isaiah Thomas He's a fucking fucking, man

Trays listed as I already know Trays listed at like 6-2 or something fuck it like that I know that's such cap I guess give me the other Isaiah Thomas Okay, you get small IT Unlimited buckets Iris in an IT, lovely start

As my six man, give me Nate Robinson Ooh, a six man, okay Okay, nice, nice, nice next up pick a player six foot or shorter six foot or shorter this is hilarious stop doing this to me don't where you're going uh give me spudweb at my three at your three at my three not your shooting card am i why why what a weird distinction okay okay spud web is your three mo where are you going okay so at my five fuck do i want to go five right now i don't know yeah at my three give me

hose alvarado yeah okay you guys are defense out there he can guard up okay okay next category pick a player seven foot three or taller oh shit wemby nice put him out of five take fucking god this is awful uh we will be moving people round. Sorry. 7.3 or taller. I will take I will take Yami

as my center. Okay. I felt we did last time. Next up, pick a player is seven foot three or taller. Ah, shit. At my four, give me Ralph Samson.

Okay. Oh, shit. Okay. At my four, seven three or taller. You know what? At my four, give me just keep it simple, KP. I'm not going to overthink it.

Ooh, that's a great pick. Yeah, give me KP. That's definitely, you should have been to fire four. Ralph is not bad, though. It's not bad. Okay. Last up next. Mo, you haven't. You always, like, he's just like, oh, yeah. He's good. Yeah. He would dominate Khrastaf's poor thing is. Okay, come on. That's not act like,

come on. He would dominate. Come on. Okay. What? Come on. You can have fun with that. There's a 20-35 players. Come on. come on come on mo has a six man left and donovan has a shooting guard left okay

last but not least pick up player six foot or shorter who shit okay so this setup is bogus we're shooting ourselves but it's okay

it's so bogus because I got the greatest short player of all time Mugsy Boggs six men in the year come here man Pride Mugsy what are you doing nothing

I'm in your head I'm in your dome or in your skull. I'm inescapable. Who's going to be your shooting guard? I need to double check this right now. You tell me I can double check. No, because I need to make sure. Guys right now are witnessing cheating as you speak.

All right, never mind. Never mind. Who are you looking at? I want to see the list. It doesn't matter. Yeah. I told you. I told you was cheating.

Don't worry about six foot or under. Yeah. Yo, am I running out of guys? He's straight out of guys. I told you, man. I feel like I. Now I could introduce you to a, I forget his name. Is Fred Van Vleet six feet?

Let me see. That's a good conversation. I think you may be listed. Yes, Fred Van Vleet is six foot tall. I will take Fred Van Vleet at my two guard. That is a fantastic pick to get a defender out there. Okay. That you clutch it up at the end.

That is perfect. My defense is asked, but I got KP and Wembe back there. Yes, your defense doesn't ask comparatively. Let's see, Samson and Yao is real slow. Because just because, yeah, it was slow. And Samson's not a space. that so it's you're not as mobile and you can't shoot as well but you have good defense of cp3 and fed van fleet i have no fucking clue a spud webb is a good defender i won't even pretend i

do uh man i got wemby kp my defense i'm throwing madlobs his office is crazy irsson and it t slashing with those two spaces sputbubb is dunking on wimby what are we talking about sput can dunk dunk dunk dunked on webby come on now slam dunk champion just say you don't know NBA history unless you could dunk on your You're going to be down 57 and 90. It doesn't matter. But Moe's offense is fucking filthy. That's basically those two guards slashing.

I think my defense is just good enough and my offense is the best in the league. So I think I kill you. The best in a hypothetical team. I'm better than you. So I am best in that league between me and you. Your team is your team loss. No.

Your team loss. Comments, let us know who has a better team. I will say Chris Paul and Frivenveme of Lee is nice. So is Iverson and IT with those two big guys behind those. I don't know. Also, Nate Robertson killing Mugsy Bugs. He's killing him.

What a crazy comparison? I don't even think Nate believes that. Nate wouldn't believe that himself. He dominated Jose Alvarado. He would. Nah. He would dominate Jose Alvarado. Jose's annoying.

Jose, he's going to get CP3 out of here. He's going to get him out of the game. They will fight. They're going to be out of the game. That's a good point. So you guys, six men, we'll be starting at point guard. Yeah. That's a good point.

Next thing we're going to do, I am going to show you an NBA quote from a coach. And you at that, guess which coach you're looking at so see how well you know these coaches by the things you think they would say this is funny and these are going to go in different levels of easy medium hard impossible okay easy first up either we win or we both die oh joe mazula this has to be hands down yeah what do you mean you win or you die what it's basketball i honestly don't think that any NBA coach talks about death more than joe mazula and i think it's because he has like

he's just so real with himself and understands where we are this life cycle and what comes with life death comes with life. So I think he understands that. Joe Mazula. Of course. This is Joe Mazula.

That's an easy one. We had to start off with the name. We know who's the only crazy motherfucker who could say this. Next up. For Medium, there's winning and then there's misery.

If he's not winning, he doesn't even want to live. He's winning and then there's misery. Could this be Joe Mazula again? Maybe has JJ Reddick said this, maybe? Wants to be Joe Mazza. Yeah. It could be JJ Redding.

I was like this is all time too. It's not just current day coaches. Ah, it's all time. Okay. I was thinking maybe like maybe Pat Riley has said this. This is Pat Riley. Yeah. Oh, wow.

So he's the really the crazy OG. Joe Missoula, JJ, right? They're all trying to be Pat Riley. Okay. Either you win or you die is the same thing as there's winning in this misery. Okay. We're locked in. Yep.

Yep. The OG. Next up for hard. If you live in the river, you should make friends with a crocodile. Now. What? You have to, you have to think if you live in the river, you should make friend with the crocodile one this is the saying that only old black southern man are going to say

okay so i'm thinking again below the mason dixon line okay i'm thinking dark i'm trying to figure out which of these coaches can can dark can fit this this description i was thinking that this is a coach from like not an american just somewhere over there you think they're over there yeah if you live in the river you should make friends with the crocodile it's so insightful it's so philosophical with the crocodile like what like what does this have to like now okay i think can we agree it's not a new age coach it could be this is not a guy who has instagram yeah could be but that is a good point when it comes to the iG talking about this is a real insight right here listen sometimes you're dealt with bad hand you got to learn these young coaches don't be talking

like that so who is this i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna go old school has to be a really good coach talk like this too. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. If you say this shit, you're not successful, we're not going to talk about you. Yeah.

Are we... What old quotes you want to go with? I would say... But it's also kind of weird, Phil Jackson? This is Phil Jackson. Yeah, okay. This is Phil Jackson.

This is the philosopher himself. Yeah, okay, there we go. So listen, you dealt a bad hand. You learned a swim in it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Real philosophical stuff.

Next up. Impossible. I hate Steve Ker. if he asked me anything, I tell him to go urinate in a bucket. You can coat me on that. Yo, fuck Steve Kerr and the dirt he stands on. Who has Steve Kerr like crosspaths with?

I feel like this is. I don't know. This is very cocky, but I don't feel like this is hard. Is this, is this Greg Popovich? This is Greg Popovich. Yeah. Because nobody talks like that and has actual smoke for actual coaches.

You're only going to be this rude and disrespectful. If he actually liked the guy. Yeah, yeah. That was a trick question. He is great friends with Steve Kerr. That makes sense. That's why he's telling him to go fuck himself. Like, who has to be so cool with Steve Kerr that this could be said and no one cares?

No one ever gave a damn. I thought maybe you guys would forget that he comes into the great Popovich coaching tree. I thought maybe it would just slip your mind. Can never. No, man. Okay. Four for four. Donovan carried hard.

Brick is a goat, man. Next one. Back to easy. It's like shit. I don't know what to do. Dharbinham. This is Jarmian. Dude, what the fuck?

When he was talking about defending Nicole Yokic. But I carry me. Put them hands in their pockets and let's ride out. He said, Darvin, you're down three games to one. What are you going to do to stop the pick and roll in this game? Shit, you telling me? That's the move, bro. I don't know.

Trying to find out. That's what I'm saying. Your guess is the good as mine. That's perfectly easy. There's one guy who will be the first one to let you know. I don't fucking know. That's Darwin. Medium.

Before enlightenment. Choped Wood. carry water. Okay, I have no idea. This is chop wood, carry water. Before enlightenment? Who talks like that? Who talks about Enliquist?

Is this Tiago Splitter or some? I don't know. No, it's not Tiago Splitter. This is a Zen proverb about life. Saying before you can reach your final destination, take a step by step. Learn some skills along the way. Joe Mazula is a perfect type of weird for this.

Nope, Joe Mazula would be like, before you can under enlightenment, shoot people. Do violence. It always has to be violent. Chop would carry water. All his Joe Mazzuli knows his pain. He doesn't know shit about Zen Proverbs. Chop Wood Carry Water.

Who's a coach that this has like, there's like all time cool in Zen? Yeah, you do have to, you have to be very cool to pull this off. He's pretty cool. Right. You're not, you're not going to be a regular mid-coach.

This is not Nate McMillan saying this. Hell no. Could this be? Chop Wood carry water. Let's think about cool guys though. Like cool. NBA coaches. It's not cool.

He's not cool. Could this be Rick Carlisle? No. Zen Proverbs. I will say this was pretty easy. I'm going to be upset because I don't know who this is. Mark Dagnall. Hell.

Mark Dagnol. I have no idea who these coaches are, man. Bro, this is Phil Jackson. I didn't know we were going back to Phil Jackson. That's the only reason why. Anybody doing Zen Proverbs has to be Phil Jackson. My bad. I can't leave this video with only one Phil Jackson quote.

I thought we were only getting one I thought we used our Phil Jackson quote Nope next up There's no rule my life for a woman If I'm gonna be a great basketball coach What No roster Who is the voluntarily celibate basketball

Coff? He said I'm letting y'all right now I have no motion going on in my life And I don't you want it It's like a lie So he is not flooded over here The fact that it is a drought You believe him or is it like

I don't even want a girlfriend I don't even like girls Who's a lot? Man There's got to be some old dude No one no coach said this in recent history Charles Lee isn't saying this I mean he's not saying this

We know he not saying this No he's not saying No he's not saying He said I cannot relate He said I actually need this to be a great coach. It's all my writer.

She should respect, not me. You like it, I love it, man. There's no room in my life for a woman. If I'm going to be a great basketball. Who checks out like this? This one's pretty easy. I'm not going to like, well, it's not, but you'll go, oh, what I tell you? I think you should know. I think you just

is capable of getting this. We need another. This is like staying Van Gundy? Is it not a Van Gundy, but you're not far off? Not a Van Gundy. think about Stan Van Gundy take away the mustache take away the hair okay

who are we left with oh it's not because I know who I get what you're trying to tell me but I can't put the pieces together I'm at a loss right now this is Tom Timito

oh this is Tom I think he said this like not too long ago Pipes come on man I think he told us like Zach Lowe or something it was an interview very recently Tips come on man No yeah he needed it

You got no woman and no coach No coach your job now What do you have What I know he's rude for women So now he's on Bumble So Facebook dating whatever the six girls do If Tips is on Boma

That would be the craziest thing Oh what his Bumble profile On the fucking championship Trophy That's what it would be What Trump Oh yeah 2008

Next up Impossible Impossible Don't play with your meats Who's an anti-Gooter in the league right now? Like, who just doesn't play about me right now? This, all right, hint, all-time, or current? He's currently coaching.

Currently coaching. Is JJ Reddick? Hell no, it's not JJ Reddick. He's not talking like this. Don't play what you meet. Low-key, like, I could see Mike Brown. I was what I would say it could be Mike Brown. He could say it's not Mike Brown, but you're not far.

off. Think about that age demographic. All this Mike Brown. Mike Brown is 55. I don't know how old Mike Brown is. She's guessing? Nick Stewart, like they call everybody by their initials and their numbers. So Tim was 67, so at the time

you talk about it was TT67 and now it's MB 55. Oh, I think I have seen that. I don't know what it meant. Yeah. This is Nick Nurse. This is not Nick Nurse. That's not a bad guess. Um, don't play with you meet. Joe Mazula? No, it's not Joe Azula. Oh, oh, whoa, I think I got it. What's the rabbit's coach name again?

Darko. It is not Darko. Damn. This guy looks like he could be Joe Missoula's father. Joe Mazza's father. Whoa. Kind of, kind of light scheme. I don't know. Don't know. Don't talk like this. Yeah, who is this? This is Doc Rivers.

Like, God. It didn't be a lot of play by me at any day or a week. What do you mean? I have no clue you just said. I don't think. single word was actually spoken. That was crazy. He said this as a way to, he meant to say,

don't play with your food, but he went to the podium and was like, don't play with your meat. And his players let him know about it. I understand. I understand where he's coming from. Actually,

my buddy said, don't play with your meat. And then his players let him know about it. I could just feel your chest is vibrate and say that. Oh, yeah. Is there anything

Doc Rivers has taught you? Don't play with you meat. Don't touch that meat. Next up, back to easy. My throat guy called me and he said it's time for an evaluation.

Who said this? Remember, I'm so, ah. There was only one person that could possibly be. My throat guy called me and said, Oh, it's Doc Rivers, right? This is Dr. Rivers? The only guy with the boat guy? The only guy with notable throat in the NBA.

The most famous throat. I wouldn't be shocked if Timbs had a throw guy. So you're saying he has most famous throat? That we can have a throat off? It's comparable. Okay. I think peak for peak It's comparable

I don't know But like on a daily basis I think Doc Rivers Is above Tibbs But when Tibbs get in When he gets rolling Okay He's up there

He's in that throat mode Is it's a different guy Yeah Okay Medium I don't know him But I'll beat him to a pulp Who coach want to throw hands

Beating to a pope Some white coach for sure Yeah Beet him to a pope Okay What white coaches Is just like willing to have any static

you may no said white coach I didn't even I didn't even okay email would say this was like utmost seriousness yeah email doesn't play around so this was said unsuriously well I don't know actually but

he would like he wouldn't make a joke about this so you don't only if you if you if email was real about to be some to a pulp you know about it you know this is this is one of the hardest games we've done you know beat him to a pulp it's crazy yeah after we got done with the last five now I'm cooked. Okay, I'll tell you a hint.

It's about Jimmy Butler. Oh, is Pat Riley? Not Pat Riley. Because he would say that. Spolster? Not Spolster. Steve Kerr?

Not Steve Kerr. Oh, it's not tips? It's Tom Tibbettoe. Talking about Jimmy Butler. Okay, that makes sense. I'll beat him to a pulp. Okay. Obviously joking.

That's funny. So they're buddies. I'm sure still have a little friendly banter back and forth to this day. Next up. Hard. Even dating a pretty girl gets boring after a while. If she can't guard, anybody.

Yo, man. These guys hate women. That's crazy. It's crazy. No, no. He hates them if they can't defend a sideline out of bounds. That's what he hates them.

She didn't have to go to here. She didn't have to go there. Okay. That's insane. If she can't guard anybody. It's all right. She can't. can't guard anybody who said this she can't guard him obviously a defense minded a defensive

minded coach someone who's trying to be yes that might be the most crazy unintentional buzzers this is this is modern right yes this is a current day coach okay i'll give you he's current day but he's old current day but he's old and you're right he is a defensive coach who's known for that as of late. Modern coach. Okay, so the modern kind of defensive-minded coaches.

And he looks like Jim Carrey. What? Oh, is Rick Carlisle? This is Rick Carlisle. He said this? Rick Carlisle said this not too long ago. What? He said, play some defense or get out of my fucking life.

Oh, my God. He's real. Real. He's going to be saying a lot of crazy things for the rest of the year, man. Last one, Impossible. I want some nasty. That's crazy

I wanted to say Shaq But he's not a coach It wouldn't be possible It was Shaq We'd know I want some nasty I want some nasty Who's cool to just be just

Just trying to rile up their players All time? Technically Technically Okay Yes but that might throw you off So don't think about that Okay

He's coached in the last five years Oh Pop said this This is Greg Popovich I want some nasty yeah what was the context don't worry about you want some nasty the team wasn't performing they weren't trying hard enough I guess he got it now

game energy he went to press conference I'm trying to get some nasty if it means so many things but okay you know exactly what it means these are the worst nitpicked quotes ever insane of that sometimes sometimes you're a hall of fame coach he just needs a nasty

straps fuck is wrong with you that was an accident that was a good accident next thing we're going to do I'm going to show you five NBA jerseys you tell me who the first player that comes to mind is when you see this jersey

I've removed the number on it so don't worry about that just the jersey and like the arrow the jerseys from first off Fessus Azele That's actually mad real This isn't a beat in era

Yeah It really is It's either It's either Azeeli I'm thinking of most baits My mom went to Boget Why are we all thinking about these big men

You think about big, specifically. It's a big jersey. Because it's a big jersey. It looks long. Yeah. No sweat hanging. No plane in time like that. Yeah.

For some reason, my mind doesn't go to the stars for this one. Because we know, like, if you see a warrior's jersey and you think of Steph Curry, you think of, you think of seeing the 30 on it. But because it doesn't have a number now, it's like, who are these just like random people? Yeah. And we've seen more. Have we seen Curry in like a new modern cut? So you see Adidas and you're like. Exactly.

Yeah. And you think about the older days. Tom Livingston. Immediately. Landry. the Rand's guys he played with. The good old days. Next up.

There's Hawks jersey from 2016. Kent Bazmore. I imagine Kent Bazmore with this. What'd you say? I think of Vince Carter. Ooh. Kent Bayesmore. I think of Jeff to you.

Ken had some years with this jersey, man. Not good years. He had years. There were years. Years were had. This is one of the worst jerseys in NBA history. I imagine Kent Bazanor trying to create his own shop in the mid-range

with this jersey, bro. Terrible times. It sucks because, like, the pattern is obviously disgusting. The actual, like, ATL and that, like, design of it, that's not bad. That's, like, it's somewhat creative. The font is cool, but everything around it is garbage. Yeah, with the Hawk trim beacon into it, it's cool. Yeah, yeah.

It's cool. Yeah, yeah. Okay, but yeah, all around, horrible jersey. Ew, bad. Kemp basement comes to mind. Vince Garvey comes to mind. Number three. The gray rocket sleeve jersey.

I see Patrick Beverly. Really? That is good. I see Tobolos of Aalosha. Wow. I was going to say I see Josh Smith. I also see James Hardin in this one. James Hardin is very recognizable from me in the sleep jersey.

I specifically imagine I'm just doing this. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I was thinking about this too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sovolocia and James Harder popped in mind.

What a crazy jersey. It is disgusting. I didn't realize it was bad lines everywhere. Yeah. Why do we, why do we decide to do random check remarks here on the side for two seconds? Yeah. Is it like a famous race in Houston or something?

No. It's not Indiana. Why do we have a... It looks like a ref. It looks like a ref. It looks like a foot locker employee. And this is so bad Like, you know, Adidas

They put so much dip on their chip That they like lost the spot of the ship Because they were starting to roll out these sleep jerseys They flew way too close to the sun And for that we lost Christmas jerseys Because they wanted to fly cross to the sun Had not just been normal A regular jersey distributor

We could have still had Adidas jerseys And I have 14 99th jersees a year I was thinking The NFL, I mean NBA really needs to copy the NFL With the NFL's done with the rivalry jerseys you know they got the one two divisions got it this year they keep those for four years and so the next three years

two more divisions will get it until everybody has one and it'll keep cycling in so you get a new one every four years that's what the NBA needs to do with city jerseys for sure four year blocks make it perfect next up jersey four owler jefferson ew egghead henderson i think of garyl henderson with this right

no i'm going out jefferson i think of a low post touch drop step over the left shoulder for 20 and 10 a night and seven wins a year. Who's the dude with the short dreads? I think it was a four, three, four. Ah, man.

Henderson? No, it's not, I don't know. Oh, wait, no, you're thinking of-Jar Wallace? Yeah, Gerald Wallace. Yeah, that's not bad. Yeah. Yeah, Michael Key, Gilchrist. All the early years.

Yeah. Let's get real nasty. MKG. He's taking shots here. Yeah. Yeah, I remember him. This ain't not even doing anything. He's just holding me off.

Last one. The green New York Knicks. Nate Robinson. That's the only thing they might think of. This is the only, the only real option is you are wearing a green New York Knicks jersey while winning the slam dunk contest. That's it. Yeah. Perfect.

Yeah. There's nobody else. You want to take any other answers? Tyson Chandler, fuck off. No. So Dave Robinson jersey. I feel like I've only seen Nate wear this in my life. They didn't wear a whole lot.

Okay. Next thing we're going to do. Bleacher Report did a ranking where they ranked the top. 30 teams. I said top 30. That's every single team in the league. They ranked every single team in the NBA based on their historic success. I'm going to show you two NBA teams. You guess who ranked higher in this list. Okay. So again, based on from the start of the franchise till now, who has more success overall? Hornets versus Timberwolves. Start of the franchise. I'm guessing the Timberwolves. The wolves have to be higher. The hornets. No motion. Yeah,

the hornets have done nothing. They've done nothing. And now, listen, Timberwolves haven't done a whole either but back to a conference finals they went to a conference finals they went to a conference finals in 04 yeah you have an MVP on the uh in like franchise history as well the best player for the hornets is kemba walker who are the three best players for the hornets let's extend a little bit it is you can say kemba yeah so it's kemba walker say grandma ma okay yes yeah larry johnson and isn't that the pelicans oh because they moved yes I thought they started over there. The Hornets became the Pelicans.

This Hornets is a startup franchise, right? Expansion. This is the Bobcats. Yes. This is the Bobcats. They don't have anybody. No. Yes, this is the Bobcats.

Either way, we're going with the Timberwolves. Because I don't want to sit here and discuss Charlotte Hornets history. That's nasty here. So I'll go with the wolves. I'm going to say that the wolves are higher. Yep. What do you think the wolves are? 23.

They're 20. And the Hornets are 30 We're having to do the contest right now Because the two least successful teams That's actually pretty surprising I thought the Grizzlies would have been like around here Grizzes are 28 Okay

Okay Grizzes are right above Talking about how How are the Clippers hired than the Timberwolves The Clippers have a lot of success Over the years They had a lot of time like the 60s and stuff They had like MVP and stuff

Oh like San Diego Yeah Yeah Yeah so it's the entire history Okay You don't care about all that Hornets have no MVP's Has anyone ever ever

made an all-N-B-A first team for the Hornets? I doubt it. Probably not. That's crazy. Horns are dead last in league. Next up, Raptors versus Jazz. This is hard. This is interesting.

The Raptors are younger. They won a championship. They have a championship. The Jazz have longer stretches of being an actual good team. Yeah. I don't think that they would weigh the one championship much, like, so much heavier than the, like, long. lifespans.

That's very important. We don't know how they're going to weigh these things. Me personally, I would weigh the Toronto Raptors higher, but they may respect the Utah Jazz more. All right. I'm going to go against you. I'm going with the Jazz. The Jazz are 19. Wow.

Raptors are 22. They're lower. Yeah. Makes sense. It makes sense. Longer touches the dominance. Yep. Jazz have many areas of basketball.

That's a crazy stretch of the youth dominance. Yeah. For these two teams? No, they had multiple times of moderate success. That's what they had. It's a dominance of here. Utah Jazz fan. Next up, Brooklyn Nets versus Los Angeles Clippers.

Both Little Brother teams. Oh, yeah, that's for sure. The Clippers. At least, no. You don't think so? No. I think it's the Nets. The Nets have at least, the Nets have made it to the finals.

I completely forgot about the- Clippers have not done that. I'm going with the Nets here. The Nets are one spot higher at 25. Damn. One spot. Ew. Both.

bottom six teams in the association. Yeah. It's okay. Makes sense. So I hate these guys. Makes sense. Next up, Atlanta Hawks versus Dallas Maveridge. This is a Maverick, so I'm not even blinking twice.

What? Are we talking about right now? Yeah. Like, they have MVP, went to multiple finals, never seen one before. And it's honestly crazy because the Mavericks prior to like to Mark Cuban were such a joke of a franchise that they really got everything in like a short amount of time for franchise sake. They just laughed y'all.

So I'm gonna go with the maps. Incorrect, it is the Hawks by three. Y'all don't know about Bob Pettits. Y'all don't know about them. I did forget about Bob Pettit. This is the whole history of the sport in the 50s, they were them. And St. Louis, though, but whatever.

Still the same organization, buddy. Ew. You guys have accolades. It's not Atlanta. You guys have one of the goats. It's not a Llanian sports. It's not a three-time VP. Bob Pett.

It means nothing to me. I actually don't know if his three BP's it ended up. Yeah, no. This means nothing to me. This is crazy. This is off. This is the first wrong one. You think so?

Yeah. You want to see the write-up of what the justification was? Yeah. I don't have any, like, there can't, there isn't, this is not correct at all. They're weighing entirely too much based on the past. Well, it's the whole thing is, though. It's the entire franchise, I guess. Based on historical success.

Yeah, but I think like it, it is, it is fair to do it like that, but also there's a. I think within this historical success, you have to look at the individual success, too, about from these players. I don't know what's on the screen. Yeah, just be sure. But, yeah, I'm looking at the MVPs that Dirk Nuitki has. They even went to three finals over the last, I don't know. All right, so Atlanta Hawks are 14.

And here what it says. Best team was in 1986, 87, so I forgot they also had that. Top five in win shares is Bob Pitt, Dominique Wilkins, Cliff Hogan, Lou Hudson, and Al Horford. Chalked this one up, at least in large part, to longevity. Younger NBA fans, maybe think of the Hawks as a mediocre team. The 2014-15 team with Jeff Tee, Kyle Cover, Millsap and Horford won 60 games,

played beat for basketball, yada, yada, Dominic Wilkins' lead squads in the 80s, never got past the second round. Ditto for Mukki Blaylock and Matumbo in the 90s. But this history goes all the way back to 1949, 1950. They've been the Tri-City Blackhawks and the Milwaukee Hawks. As the St. Louis Hawks,

they won a championship in 58, made three other finals appearances. I will say one, the one thing that we'll push back on this right-off of this write-up is they say younger NBA fans and then proceeded to show mid for four straight decades and went back into the 1980s

and we're like, yeah, the young people they don't know about the Hawks. Brother, that's 40 years ago. That's crazy. And here's the write-up for the Dallas team. Like Denver, the Dallas Maverick Spot and this list is heavily influenced by their single championship,

but their resume certainly goes beyond that, especially after the last two decades and change. So yeah, it's the last two decades. Since 2000 is when they have their entire history. like Donovan said. I guess. But even still, you have you have three finals appearances.

Exactly. You have an MVP. Yeah. You have more regular season wins. Well, the Hawks also have three final appearances. Do you have a title? Oh, four.

They have four because they have a title too, 1959. Come on, man. This is not true. Next one. Yeah, I disagree with that. Detroit Pistons versus Oklahoma City Thunder. It's probably,

it's Detroit. Yeah, I'm going to Detroit. Detroit. Long history there. Yeah, long history. Multiple championships. and yeah, it's them. The Pistons are at 9.

Where do you think the Thunder? I'm putting the Thunder at 13. Thunder at 8. What are we talking about here? Even in Seattle? The Seattle Supersonics count. The Seattle Supersonics had eras. They had the 90s.

They also won with Jack Sigma. They had multiple areas of making finals. Then they won in 2025. Plus the 2011 team. They have four eras of making finals. How many finals have they won? Two. How many finals of the Detroit one?

Three. It's multiple eras. That's a long history. I understand that but the I can I'm trying to I get it yeah the the way I don't like it because I feel like what they're doing is essentially just counting as opposed to like actually weighing out certain certain successes over others because if you're if you're the pistons and you have success in in the 80s and like the very start of the 90s and you go to three straight finals you win back to back championships then even the pistons in in like the mid 2000s who only get one title, they're winning 50 plus games for like six or seven straight years. They're making the conference finals

mad years in a row. They were dominating the East of Conference. Well, that same could be said for the 90s team. They just lost to Jordan, right? And the 79 team won a championship. They were good for a while too, I think, in Seattle in the early 80s. And then now we have the 2011 team made a finals. There's four areas of legit finals teams. But even

the, like even the the business team of the mid-2000s, they get to the, they When the finals in 04, they get back there in 05, they get to the conference championship again in 07. Those teams in the in the 90s for the for the Supersonics, you get to the finals once, right? And like even the jazz who like, you know, shout out like you have Stockton and Malone. All right, cool. But you can't really even beat them.

So like that's why I do think that the Pistons should be above them. And we also can't forget the 2025 team just won one of the best defenses of all time. Sure. One of the better regular season teams of all time. Like they want 68 games and won the finals with an MVP. like, that weighs a lot. That could put the cap on it, I guess. Is that, is there any of the bad boy individual

Pistons teams have a better resume than that one Thunder team? I don't know, but that might be the most impressive championship of them all. Is it MVP 68 wins? Potential. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. So, I mean, that being close when you think about, people forget about the 79 team, obviously,

because nobody in our air knows about Jack Sykma when the championship of the 1979. Yeah, I just, I wouldn't do it. But okay. I wouldn't do it. Next up, Knicks versus Rockets. the rocket should be higher I think

how much higher maybe like the Knicks have a lot of history oh my God you're right they both have two championships yes the Knicks championships are in the 70s 70s count all the same for this list

in the earth yes I don't there's just so much losing that happened there's like there's a 20 year span where like losing happens for the Knicks So I don't know how they're going to wait.

Yeah, I think considering that the championships are the same amount, I'm looking at individual accolades to the Rockets to have more MVP caliber players just revolving through the door. Two? Yeah. How many do the Knicks have for the last 20 years? About that too. But they're both in the 70s.

They played together. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you have Pat and then you have Willis Reed. You have Clyde. I was thinking Clyde and Willis Reed. You know what? I'm going with the Rocket. based on what they're saying I guess we'll go with the Knicks

The Knicks are two spots higher than number 10 The Rockets are 12 I hate this I mean most of the Rockets it's really it's really concentrated in those few years Those two years they won in championships I can understand the Knicks having more longevity And probably more iterations of good teams Just because they're so old And that's that's what I'm saying

That's why I really I'm really not rocking with this list right now Yeah I know Because all teams have an advantage That's whatever I mean that's what is They have a lot of good opportunities When you have 60 years of history I guess so whatever man Kings versus Bucks

Oh this is nasty right here You can't did the kings win in the 50s I don't know about it Fuck Probably You asking me about 50s 60s 70s 70s kings of basketball I'm not telling you anything

Tiny archibal was a problem Oh My Kansas City Royals Nice hope you have fun with that I think I think I'm gonna go I think I should lean with the kings I think I'm going with the kings You all are just blind guessing

The Bucks are 12 spots higher. Shit. Literally we are. My bad Kareem. They have Kareem and Yannes. Of course it's the Bucks. I'm unfamiliar with King's history. Y'all got so many wrong.

You just assume the Kings were here because they had to have had some accolade you forgot about. It's the Bucks. I mean, the Bucks were also bums for so long. Like they have like all these other teams. And see, this is the issue is because the bucks also have these like blips in between just years of just desolate basketball. school. And that counts for 11?

Well, they have three the greatest players of all time. And Kareem, Oscar, and Yannis. They're giving everybody the nod for longevity. And Kareem played in the 70s. That's a lot of longevity. And then he leaves and they're buns for a long time. And then Yonis comes in, does his thing. And

no, we have that. This Yonest here's pretty long, though. It's been eight years of really good basketball. That's a pretty significant era compared to the Kings. I get it. They made the final. once they made the conference finals another time I think in terms of it's a well we're talking about 11 not like four having an eight year stretch of MVP level basketball second best player in the world sometimes best playing the world and culminates in a championship and two MVP's that's a good era again we're comparing him to the modern kings here

Miami heat versus Cleveland Cavaliers which LeBron home ranks higher Miami he does does it well it's a it's a young franchise it is a young franchise but they've done a lot of winning in that young time yeah And it's not like the Cavs were winning in those old days. I mean, shout out Mark Price. Shout out Larry Nansen. They weren't racking up championships. Yeah.

Miami has. We should go with the heat. It should be Miami. Co-wrapped to Miami heat at number seven. Yeah. That's so high for a young franchise. About time. That's something that makes sense here.

They've done so much and so little time compared to everybody else in the league. It's crazy. Yeah. Like they went to the finals, what? Just five years ago. They have six total trips to finals, I think. No, five years ago. Three years ago.

Oh, forget about that one. Yeah, 2020, 20, 23. I forget about that one. and the three bronze years. The four bronze years. Oh yeah, four bronze years. Seven championship appearances. And what is our expansion team?

Is the late 90s? 85. Oh, it was 85? I think so. Why did I think it was the 90s? Okay, either way, that's not a long time to have seven champions. This is ridiculous.

Seven championship appearances. Let's get the cast. Let's get the cast. 2016 happened. Got you to 15. Phoenix Suns versus Denver Nuggets. I'm gonna go with the Nuggets here. I think off the strength of Yoke

alone if you like put up this yokech era where you have three mvps a title and a conference finals appearance on top of that i'm i'm gonna go with denver yeah i think i pretty constantly go with denver he's the the amount of like just dominating that yokech has done is it lapsed so many other franchises in just this like this this era alone i'm gonna go with denver here i also feel like Denver probably has a stronger era post yeah pre-2002 as well is the Phoenix Suns at 16

they have some eras they were when you get they had Charles Barkley they had Tom Chambers making conference championships in late 80s they have a lot of longevity themselves as well but you have the 80s you have the 80s nuggets you have the mid-2000s or I guess you say 80s nuggets like that's not as good as a team that is mentioned for the Suns no but

I'm just in terms yeah I'm just saying like teams that were like fairly fairly notable teams the Mello team made a conference finals and then you get all of your rings and accolades right now

so it's like you still have all your rings all your rings and accolades MVP's the MVP that he's stacking up Steve Nash is the same or he has two not three

he the sons have their championship appearance in 2021 they don't make a I mean yeah they don't make the finals but 2021 they do so you know there's more longevity

with the sons but you have the ring in 2023 with the Nuggets. It's kind of the big difference. Okay. Charles Barkley finishes the MVP, so I have the same MvPs as the Nuggets. Yeah, we're giving,

we're giving participation trophies out. Warriors versus the 76ers. It's tough. This is tough. This should be like two top five matches. They're very high up there. Ah, man, I might lean towards the- both have longevity.

The Sixers. Because the longevity is insane for this team. The longevity for the Warriors is also insane. They've been around for a long- time yeah they have been they they pass willed if they if they give this to either regardless of who they pick i'm going to be upset because i do think really i feel like i'm like i know the answer obviously i feel like it's pretty easy i think i'm going with with i'm going with the wars and i think that this specific area should be exactly that's the answer the warriors are oh wait no oops the warriors are five

and the sixes are four okay I would also think that the modern warriors is so dominant that it puts above them, but. Yeah, I would think so to be considering all the MVPs that they have the different heroes of champions, just continuously minus like the mid-2000s or whatever. They haven't had a finals appearance in 25 years. The Sixers? The Sixers. And you have that.

Even like just rings wise, the, the, the Warriors have lap them in the last 10 years. in terms of overall rings. Another team that has the benefit of longevity. The 76ers joined the BAA in 1949 as the Syracuse Nationals. By 1955, the already had a championship behind Dolph Shays, just over a decade later they won another, this time in Philadelphia

with Chamberlain, and the pattern continues when Julius Irvin and Moses Malone got a ring in the early 1980s. You know what this is? ABA athletes. And what I'm realizing, they are not counting lows against you. as long as long as you have like any any any any any peak up like they're not they're not going to skew for like if you if you were truly a bad franchise i think that's okay for the the thing is the most team success like i don't think it's okay to do that everybody has their lows you know and i don't think the sixers are one of the most low point franchises in the league honestly the warriors had lower lows in the six years the warriors lows were goddamn horrible i and i told you either either way i would be upset yeah so i i probably would

lean the Warriors, but I'm also 26 years old and didn't care about the 1949 Dolph Shea's team. Sorry. Last one. Bulls, actually the second last one. Bulls versus Spurs. Going Spurs.

Again, two really high teams. Two the most successful franchises of modern history. I'm more with the Spurs. Because I think overall... I think that, yeah, they're pre-brough. You have one less ring, but you have more... More arrows. Yeah.

more errors and more years of being good. It is easily the spurs there, number three, and the Bulls are six. Listen, that Bulls success. It was only for like 10 years or something like that, real narrow to the Jordan years. Yeah, outside of that. After that,

after that, this got to go, man. This is crazy. Number six is crazy. This really is crazy. This is like if somebody had the Browns and got six rings for them and then they just went back to be in the Browns. Yeah, and nothing else matters.

Okay. So it's basically the Chiefs too. Number three spurs. Got to be high. Fairs, yeah. I think you guys know who the last few teams are. Celtics versus Lakers. Who gets number one?

I'm gonna go with the Lakers. Yeah, wait. Where do you think we think we went, knowing what we know about their list? I think they probably went with the Lakers. More MvPs on that team. You think you went towards the player's success, the most amount of legends?

Wait, tell on, tell you on, tomorrow. No, we can't, we can't, we have to go with the Celtics. Why? They're, these guys are going back to the 1850. Apparently they're bringing in. and everything. We have to go with the Celtics,

especially considering that they were winning at the expense of the Lakers. Who has more championships? Celtics by one. Yeah. They got one up. We're going with the Celtics. The Celtics number two, Lakers are one.

Wow. What? Yeah. Doesn't make sense. Yeah. Now, they told me the Hawthews were good because of something that happened in 1949. And the Celtics out here winning eight

straight titles and now it doesn't matter. Why? Oh, wait, no. You're right. The graphic was wrong. Thank you. The Celtics are one. Thank goodness.

Okay. Okay. I mislabel the vaccine. The Celtics are one. The Lexer said, too. Oh, he did. Oh, my gosh, man. And I'm sure it's right for exactly what you'd say.

They want more ring. That's an easy way to qualify it. They're being up on them for a lot of these years. Your brother, for you guys. I have to call. I almost wish you didn't. I just decided I was going to be back then. No, this actually would have been pretty frustrating.

It's wildly inconsistent. Well, Boston Celtics, you are the number. one team according to Bleach Report and team success over the course of NBA history and Donovan is very happy otherwise he would have lost his mind next thing we are going to do we're going to play NBA wavelengths how this is going to work is I have five categories I'm going to name a player or a team or whatever may be in each category and every time I do it you try to guess what the number is from one to 10 and then you know after every category you guys talk amongst yourself try to figure out if you've adjusted your answer

and at the end of all five categories you'll make a final guess of what my number is. Okay. So I'll tell the camera, close your eyes. I'll let them know. So if you're watching on video, you can see what number is

if you want to play along or if you want to try to guess with them, close your eyes too and see if you can do it blindly. This is the first number. All right. Category 1. A star player,

Tyler Hero. He has 1 to 10. 1 to 10. I want to say like 5. 4? Yeah, and I'm going to use the whole thing. So don't think. like 2K ratings. I'm using the whole entire

1 to 10. Yeah. Yeah. I'm 5. Can't be, he's not the worst star player to have. No, but like he's he's an all side. He's like a good player, but if Tyler Hero's like where you're starting your team Oh, terrible, then that's like a 4. All right. So yeah, we'll say 4 right now is our first. Okay. Kind of where we're at.

Okay. Category 2 role players. DeAndre Hunter. Oh yeah, that's a that's a 4. He's a good role player. I'm moving up towards like... He got better. But I feel like for the majority of his career, he's been about a 4. Yeah, but But the under the last two years, though, has been a six-man-of-the-year candidate. I'm moving up towards like a five, maybe six. It's definitely not a six.

That's way too much dip on the Andrejahunders' shift. Slow down. I'll say five. Yeah, I'll go with you up to five. Okay. Next category. Team Atlanta Hawks. Oh, yeah, that's five.

Right now we're worse than five. We'll cut it here. We'll get it here. Right now we're at him. We're worse than five, but yeah, we five. That's five. Mid on mid, man. Don't get more mid than that.

That's fine. Coach, JJ Reddick. Mid on mid right now, right? Yeah, five. Pretty cut and dry. Five. That's five. You guys are sticking to it.

Yeah. Last one. Jerseys. The Nets white primary jersey. That is an NBA jersey. Yeah. That is a jersey that the NBA sells for money. We have to go back.

You're right. Currency is involved. with this jersey. It is in exchange. The number is five. Yeah. I've got it. When you said the Hawks, it sold everything. That's easy. The most average picks in every category.

Next up, we're doing one more game. Close your eyes again. Okay. Same thing. New number is, none of you guys can see my face in the way. If you're an audio listener and you're driving, play along too. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Close your eyes. New number. First, play.

your star is Jalen Brown. Seven could be eight. The way he's playing right now, I would, I would say eight. I would say, on most years, probably a seven. But again, right now, probably an eight. Yeah, we're in between those two, seven or eight. Okay. Next category, role players, Jaden McDaniels.

Good role player. Good role player. Depending on what day, he could be an eight and a half. Yeah, I feel strong way. He's a great role player. Sticking on it You think eight? Mm-hmm.

We're getting warmer. We're getting warmer. We're sticking on eight for right now. Okay, okay. Team New York Knicks. It feels like eight. Yeah, it feels like eight. It feels like you're right outside the top tier

of being nine and ten. So, yeah, eight is, eight is fine. There's a limit to these conversations. And again, doesn't mean that you're bad. If everything breaks right,

and eight can win a title sometimes. Eight, many eights have won championships. Coach, I'm a Udoka. I damn don't want to say nine, but I'm going to temper my expectations right now. Yeah, I think that's... Feels like an 8 still.

And I don't think you're wrong. I do think if... I do think that like for me, Udoca would probably be a 9 as well. But considering the context with the other three, I think 8 is a little bit stronger. And he's... Nine is honestly reserved for coaches who...

Who are stamped in NBA history. Stamped, made multiple NBA NBA Finals. The Nucos only made one. Yeah. So that's to kind of prove in the second spot. Will 8 is a good for right now. Okay. Jerseys.

The Suns, the Valley City, Jersey. It's a great jersey. Something that you guys were saying, modern classic. Me personally, I will give it a 10 now. But overall collective, I feel like we're sold at 8. Yeah. Yeah. I think, like, one of the best jerseys

of all time, like, I don't, what's it just, like the six is black, you know, black retro one, like the sons, those like truly, truly iconic ones. Those are, those are tens. I think I feel very comfortable saying that your number is eight. My number is eight. Back to back victories. You do this. You guys did not miss a single time.

We'll like that. I thought Jaylon Bramard threw you off. I thought maybe you'd be hating a little bit. You think like six or seven. No, he's hooper. Okay, there you go. Next thing we were going to do, then you're two for two.

I didn't mess you up one single time. Yeah, you can't get us like this. This is our game. Damn. NBA King of the Hill, Lakers Edition. I'm going to have a lot of great all-time stars.

Who do you think would win one-on-one? Who's better? One-on-one, okay. Who's better or who would win one-on-one? Who's better probably? It's probably more fair. One-on-one is like we get silly. Like, who's better in a problem?

It's got one-on-one. One-on-one basketball. Three dribbles? Let's get more into the weeds. Two dribbles. Two dribbles. Unlimited dribbles. Unlimited dribbles.

Okay. This one. Okay. Okay. Unlimited dribbles. Okay. Who would win one-on-one Lakers edition? Anthony Davis first Magic Johnson.

Magic Johnson. I don't know. If we're getting 20-20 Anthony Davis, he is... Bro. I think Anthony Davis can defend. 20-20, Anthony Davis can defend Matthew Johnson. I don't know if Magic Johnson can defend Anthony Davis. And Anthony Davis is giving him giving him all types of buckets, especially with that handle and he can move still.

He's killing him. He's giving him. When Magic Johnson passes the... ball to himself and finds a way to do that you're going to be shocked no anti davis is going to smack the shit out that bald ass along with the ball right do that work on me no anthony davis versus jerry west see and this is what i'm talking about we're going to sound so crayon eater because this it's a one-on-one it's really not because the way that this is going to go is like he's seven foot can shoot and can dribble it's fine it's like yeah

Anthony Davis. I'm sorry. It's AD. Jay West says he stands even less of a chance. Of course it's AD. You don't talk of a crowd. You just don't give a brain. Anthony Davis,

one-on-one versus Kareem. Yeah. Now he met his match. He met his match. He's bigger than him. He's going to span the sky hook every single day. And he's going to... Stronger than him.

Yeah. Yeah, we are going with Kareem here. I've seen what AD looks like against Kolo Yoko, 21-1. Kareem would murder him. Kareem versus Russell Westbrook Oh shit Russ is annoying to play against He's gonna run around a lot

He's gonna make shots Unlimited dribbles Man either stand the paint Make him shoot He'll miss It's gonna be Kareem Unlimited But one Russ brick

And Kareem gets the ball And it's over Whoa but Russ He do be chasing after his own balls Here good luck it's Kareem It is Kareem It is Kareem Kareem versus Luka Dantitch

Kareem Luca is not Are we assuming He's not playing no defense right? Are we assuming that if you are like going along Along like the Winner gets ball first Cool

Yes it's correct There is no way he's beating him If he doesn't get the ball first One I won is specifically a two-way game Karin versus LeBron Yeah he beat him He beat LeBron Yes

I don't know LeBron can defend a big strong guy In the post a little bit fair. When I skyhook from half point. What do you have for me now, King? Yeah,

on a one-on-one setting, I think Kareem might have it because there's... Bro, he's like seven inches tall. Yeah, and he just spanned one move, and there's nothing that LeBron can do at that point in time. LeBron could guard big,

but it's hard to say that when it's Kareem. Yeah. Like, it's tough. But, like, I think LeBron could probably make a miss a skyhook. It's not going to 100% of the time. Like, literally, like... It'll be a close game.

Yeah, but it's not because of the defender. I don't know I mean He never missed it It'll be a close game But I'm going Kareem Like these guys just aren't even there I think the Brown might be there

What year of Levin Do you have only Lakers then I guess 2020 Strong veteran old man strength But still move Could shoot skilled Pete Kareen He's not stopping it He's not stopping it

He's not stopping I'm going Karene Okay Corrine versus Wilt He'd fry that fraud He'd kill him I don't know. Can he, could he keep up a little?

Yes, he can keep up a little. Just for the sake of my hate, I'm going with Kareem. Kareem or Kobe? Unlimited dribbles? Stop, stop, stop.

If he's being in Lerbriam? No, we can't pick up. It's Kareem, so I think Kareem versus Ron our test with a bow and arrow. Oh shit. It's Ron. Of course it's right. Knees 100%.

Of course. And what type of, what type of like arrow is he using, too? Is it like metal or is it like wood? The fuck? That's actually... Wood? Yeah.

That's actually a very real question. If it's wood or... Like the tip? Yeah. What in history has never been wood? You never seen wood arrow. In the beginning of time? It was stone.

This guy doesn't have bone arrow history. What do you mean? It was stone. Probably. I assume. I was, okay. You don't think they were woodworking in in BC? I think they would work to put a stone.

You don't think they were carpenters in B.C.? They were out here. They used to work with their hands, but it's much easier. They used to be like that. I'm pretty sure it was wood first. It's much easier to make an era out of wood compared to stone. Sure. I sure at some point in history, it's probably wood for seconds.

It was wood first. I guarantee it. Either way, it's raw on our test. All everything, bro. I promise you they use wood for bone arrows. was there. Like, look, I can show you right here. No, it's just like, it just makes sense.

They've had stones forever. It just makes sense. And they had to just sharpen stones with another stone forever. Stone's hard to cut. No, it's not. You get two of them together. But how, it's way more efficient to do it with stone though. With stone? I mean, what? What stone are you doing that for hours of wood? It's only

15 minutes. I've done that so many times as a kid. I could take a piece of wood and break it like this. I think you're probably right. There probably was wood arrows before. Again, I think what they were being first. I guarantee you they had stones going like this when their cavemen were around. The reasonings are ridiculous.

But they definitely have wood arrow at some point. Last one, Ronald Tess to the bow and arrow versus Austin Rees with a flame thore. This is why that question was so important. Because now that we know that it's a wooden bow and arrow, the flamethrower wins. You see how that works.

If we had a stone, we can go through. Now we can't. Austin Reeves wins. That's that, yo, that wooden bow and arrow is getting burnt to a Chris. And this is why your curiosity is appreciated on this program.

That's why. Yeah. Yes, it's Austin Reeves, man. It's not particularly close. Yes. The flame thrower?

That has range. Of course, arrows have unlimited range. But come on, man. Yes. Austin Reeves with the flame throw wins. Yes. Okay.

Last thing we're going to do, I'm going to show you a failed NBA big three. And I want you guys to put them into a tier list based on why it didn't work. So in these tiers we have top tier, champs in my heart. So if you want to cut some bail to somebody and say you should have won, whatever that means. Next one, injury suck. You had a chance, but you blew it. Good idea, didn't work. Bad idea didn't work.

And the fuck were you thinking. Okay. So wide array things of here You let me know what you think About the idea of these teams First off, let's start with Kyrie James Hardin and Kevin Durant Yo, good idea just didn't work

You don't think I feel like injuries suck It's probably like they should have won the championship Like it really is only because Every single guard got hurt Oh, that's actually true James Harden hamstring dead Kyrie ankle snapped Like it really is the most unfortunate big three

Yeah you did save the cheer list And I completely forgot everything that you said So I forgot injury suck was on here. Yeah, they definitely belong there. And I would say that makes sense. That's a perfectly named tier. It really is. And honestly, they could be champs in my heart, but nobody loves them like that to really

have them deep in their heart. But they really should be the champs. Like, they really were good enough. They're champs in my heart personally because, man, that sample size right there, unbuckened stoppable. Eight games together, unbelievable. Yeah. A bunch of games with only two of the three, unbelievable.

Yeah. All you had to do is either have Kyrie or Harden stay healthy. all you had to do is have one of them and them and KD would have wanted because KD was best in the world level. Now, the year after, right? Because they, the year after not necessarily injuries

derailing them. Yeah. Kyrie saying, not my body. Derailed them after that. So that's saying good idea didn't work. But I think they would have won before that though. Also, they were bad that year also because James Hardin was a shell of himself because his hamstring was fucking goo.

So, yeah, injury suck. Okay. Best place for them. Lob City. Chris Paul, DeAndre Jordan, and Blake Griffin. This right there. Their chance of my heart, man. They cultivate a whole new generation of a style of basketball.

I don't love a single clipper like that. And they made it fun, man. You had a chance and you blew it. They definitely had a chance and blew it. You had a chance and you were up three. You were up three. Not one. Multiple.

You have many chances and you blew them all. You got walked down by Josh Smith. Yeah. Josh Smith turned to Rayon for like a quarter. So sad. Multiple chances and they blew it. They should get their own tier for blew it. Volume blowers.

Yeah. Blow merchant Professional blow blowers DeMontasabonis Deeran Fox and DeMarta Rosen Bro The fuck were you thinking What's going on here?

The last three This shouldn't even be considered a big three Yeah It's just three guys who played on the same team And the fuck were they thinking Put those three guys together This transcends bad idea didn't work In the moment we all said

What? It was crazy. Makes no sense. There was no defenders of this when it happened. Actually, they were. They all lived in Sacramento. Ew.

I don't even know they defended it really. Yeah, they had to just be like, okay with it. They had a cope. LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook. Bad idea didn't work. It was a little bit the fuck were you thinking. I guess the only reason I won't say that

is because some people would be like, they need a bowl handler. We can convince ourselves, Russell do the little things. And on top of that, too, like Russell's consistently healthy and people would more or so convince assault as well like yo lebron be out

ad be out people call it ad day-to-day davis at that point in time it's logic it kind of did feel like the fuck are you thinking though like it really was instantly this is crazy but also I feel like it was crazy but it also felt crazy because when he got there

then Russ really started to ramp up the amount of time that he hit the side of the back so it looks so much worse but like the idea of just bringing him in is like obviously it's not a perfect fit but we can kind of make it work Yeah, okay, so bad idea didn't work. You could somewhat convince yourself when it happened,

but we didn't know it was a bad idea. Nobody thought it was a good idea. At the very least, it was a bad idea that could work because they're so talented. Yeah. Kyrie, Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown. Ugh, man. Good idea.

Great idea. Did it work? Yeah, that's honestly, this is one of the best ideas anybody's had. Danny Haines doing this was pretty fucking smart. Kyrie was playing some of the best basketball of his career that first year there. No, the best basketball of his career.

He was playing making, he was defending, it was great. and then they didn't fuck with them. Gordon Hayward was a part of this mix, too, correct? For a quarter, they snapped his ankle. A blip, yes. God, man. This should have worked. This team should have made the finals.

Like, this team was supposed to be the one that was going to go into the finals against the Warriors. Yeah. And then it didn't work. They had out Horford. They had a Morris brother. They had Gordon Hayward. God rest his soul. Bam.

Yeah, Terry Rozier. Smart. Ross his soul, too, I guess. carry him Lord carry him now he said rest here as yourself yeah this was

it didn't work because of personality issues they just everyone had their own goals what was said back then they just didn't mesh yeah

Jalen Brown hated Kyrie you have some people now you know it killed him politics double entendre he's cooking

he's cooking he's cooking guys right he's too Joel Embed Jimmy Butler Ben Simmons Damn man Had a chance and you blew it

They had a real chance And then Kauai went Doink doink doink doink This would be For most people I can understand why this Would be champs in my heart But I do think that they had a chance

And they blew it Did they blow it though Because Kauai hit that crazy ass shot Like it was a close game Two really great teams They just lost on One of the best shots of all time They just lost like

That was I mean that was That was your chance And Yeah You chose to buy his hair is over me I feel like blue it should be reserved for like real chokers And they didn't win And I'm sure if I remember correctly

I'm sure they had a very good chance To some of these games I should have won But I feel like they aren't quite as blowing it as the clippers So do you think You think good idea it didn't work? I'm open to the possibility I'm also open to the possibility of injury is sucking Like Joelle and Bede was always hampered

With some minor injury nonstop Yeah he was never the he was never the same The whole idea was to have Like you needed Jimmy Boyer to succumb all the things that Joel Embed had The generational playoff dropping that he would do the real thing though is they didn't have multiple years this

they let Jimmy Butler walk into the next summer yeah like that's how do we how do we classify that because they should have had multiple years to give it a go and they chose to buy his Harris over him I almost say something like that's the chance no you blew it by leaving Jimmy Butler out to dry and not giving him the money he wanted

because not only did you lose that one year you blew it because you didn't have multiple years to give it a go you really should have and you doubled down and you said you know what we're going to pick Tobias Harris and we're going to pick Tobis Harris because we have Joelle and Ben Simmons. Yeah.

And look what you got. You blew it. Miss evaluation. Also, injury sucked because Joel and B got hurt in a lot of those years and would hamper it and then Ben Simmons fell apart physically. So a whole lot. Honestly, they can fit in all these categories

besides the top one. Yeah. Unless you live in Philadelphia naturally, then I'm sure they can be the top one. Here's a funny one. Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, and Joe Johnson. What the fuck were you thinking? Trading that many future

Unproductive picks? What the fuck were you thinking? It wasn't even that good of an idea. Like, they were so old. The roster was stacked, so it wasn't a terrible idea. That's all I was going to say, bad idea didn't work.

Okay. No, but loki, the picks they gave up to make that happen. What the fuck were you thinking? Because now it wasn't just them two. Jason Terry came along for the ride as well.

Why are you throwing his name in here? He was part of it. And Darry was there. Brooke Lopez was there. There was a lot of names on this ride. Joe Johnson. I understand it, but it was terrible. You know what?

A starting lineup of Darren, Joe, Paul, KG, Brooke Lopez? If you beat some more of their head and don't tell them what year it is, they're like, yo, we're winning everything. We're not moving the game, yeah. You just moved to Brooklyn. You have to make the splash move. Instant motion. Okay. You know what?

You're right. It's not the fuck were you thinking. It's definitely just a bad idea. Well, the part that's the fuck where you're thinking was the compensation you go up to get them. Yeah. This was like right. Honestly, they're the impetus for everybody knowing to protect draft picks. They are ground zero for being a stupid franchise and going to all in

and giving up too many valuable picks. Maybe in the moment people didn't know that was so crazy. But like two years later it was like, oh my God, Jason Tatum's a Celtic. What's? Hey, man, listen, we're going to go toe to toe with LeBron. You had to do it. So was it a good idea that didn't work? No, it's still a bad idea.

They're still old. Yeah, they should have never did it. It's not King's territory of like, what the full? Like, this doesn't make sense in any universe at all. So you can convince yourself there's a world that worked so they don't get King's territory. Yeah, exactly. They're trying to do this for one singular year. They weren't trying to like build a dynasty off of this for fucking the next 10 years or whatnot.

Okay. Kobe, Steve Nash and Dwight Howard. Champs in my heart. Injuries suck also too. Heavy. Yeah. Injuries suck. It also like.

No, it also just didn't work like, Dwight just personality wise. Yeah. Probably was never going to work. Yeah. But also injuries like Dwight was banged up. Steve Nash fell apart and the Kobe Achilles like. enough injuries racked up I could see injuries suck because that ended the ability to recover

pretty early. Yeah. But even the basketball, like, even when these guys were on, when they were on the court, they were always just like a middling team. But you know what, Dwight Howard left because he didn't fuck with the scenario. He could have stayed and it could have found a way to salvage it. They still have Paul Gasol. Maybe he should be the big threw over Steve Nash. So Steve Nash

could have fell apart. You could have had Dwight and Powell and then old Kobe, but it didn't work because of personalities. So good idea. It didn't work. Yeah, it didn't work. Kobe was was playing all those minutes to give them to the eight seat yeah like they were

they were bad yeah they were not a good team and listen we got the Celtics and didn't work because the personality reasons here we go more personality reasons good idea that people just don't mash and the day these are humans playing sports but if they're just if there was a universe where Steve Nash was 100% healthy and Steve and Dwight Howard was too

if Steve Nash was 100% healthy he wouldn't be in a Laker he was getting old and banged up already so that part's kind of yeah this is 2012 yeah he was already like washing old they were just hoping to get like one more good run. The real thing is that Dwight Howard didn't have any injuries. Exactly. Because the Dwight Howard injuries and trying to play through it kind of like led to some of the personal tensions. So if he would say it 100% healthy, winning Cures All and maybe they would have been a great team and like they would have figured it out. But that didn't happen. No, it didn't

happen. Didn't work out. Next up. All this all these tragedies. What works out? Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, Bradley Beale. Bad idea. Bad idea. Bad idea. The Bradley Bill thing was crazy in the moment. There was a little bit. You can kind of. convince yourself, okay, we've seen it be good. Point guard, Devin Booker will do that. That was a little thing people were kind of somewhat excited for. Didn't work at all. I always say it would have stuck to CP3, bro. I wish it would have had that and just wrote it out. Yeah, this low key, this low key is what would you think?

No, it's not what we're thinking because it wasn't a catastrophe. It wasn't thought of as a catastrophe at that moment in time. Yes, but for for you to trade as much as you did for Kevin Durant and and Devin Booker. You have your two hoopers. You have your two, hey, I'm going to just roll the ball out. You go get buckets. The only reason is not the fuck were you thinking. It says Chris Paul looked like he fell off the year before that.

But they traded a guy. They traded for a guy that had a no trade clause. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. And you went to the fuck were you thinking. That's pretty crazy. You were all in on another score who doesn't play defense, who isn't a great playmaker, who is making $50 million a year. The $50 million is the kicker.

The fuck are you thinking. $50 million and a no trade clause. and you added that when you need so many other things. It was a complete mismanage management. It didn't make sense. You got it. Is it worse than the Nets though? It's bad.

Loki. Yeah, it is. Loki. Loki. Goet trade clause is crazy work. Yonis, Damien Lillard and Chris Middleton. Good idea. I didn't want to say injuries suck.

Although, like, I don't know, actually because they can't be that because they were never like top status and meshing fully. Yeah. Yeah, that kind of definition of good. It didn't work. It just didn't work. He didn't win. Yeah. Tough.

Injuries do suck. That played a part. Yannas got hurt a couple of times. Chris Middleton and Brooke Lopez completely fell apart physically. Yeah. The flashes weren't strong enough for us to give him that cop out, though. What do you mean? Like, Damieler has blood clots and he has to fight through this and try to come back for the playoffs.

I forgot DeMiller got blood clots last year. What do you mean? Like, he comes back just to tear his Achilles a year before that. Like, Yonis can't even stay healthy and he misses a couple games in the first round in the playoffs. You know, maybe it is injury sucks. You got it. But also too, like, it never was 100% like, like the synergy wasn't always there. And like the whole first.

But also because of injuries. Like Chris Milton was in and out. He was a rogue glue that brought it together. He fell apart. Kind of for the second year, but even for the first year, one of like the bigger like storylines or whatever was like, yeah, Dame's best games are always whenever Janus is hurt and he's not playing. So they, they weren't really mesh in as it was. Okay.

We'll save injuries suck for teams that we think would have won if not for the injuries. I think, yeah, regardless of like them not being on the same page, there's only so much talent that that you can't win the championship they said healthy so we're not going to give them that top tier next one russell westbrook paul george camelo anthony i wanted this to be so good so bad mellow was pretty washed when this happened but there's a lot of people like donovan that held out hope that he wasn't washed and could have one more hurrah but it was pretty clear if you weren't a mellow fan oh so bad idea they want me to come off the bench I remember that, yo.

That's just like, just bells ringing in my head. Now, bro, they're disrespecting them. Not but what I'm representing the game. When you need some shooters? She was so bad. They were disrespecting them.

They were coming out here, use all these politics. Mm-mm. I don't like it. And that was pre-identity shift before Mello accepted who he was. So he was out there jacket shots. He was trying to kill him.

Yeah. I mean, they got first rounded by rookie Donovan Mitchell. Yeah. Ricky, Rubio, had Paul George and Russell, Russler, and hell.

Yeah. Bro, they beat him in like five. in like five games. It was terrible. Russell took like 43 shots or something like that. Joe Ingalls had Paul George in a torture chamber. Yeah.

Do you beat him in five? No, they beat him in six. Paul George was like two for 14 in game six. In that game, Russell Westbrook took like 40 fucking shots, 45 shots just to get to damn near 50 years. Bad idea didn't work. They never should have got mellow.

It was bad from the start. Yeah. It was clearly not the answer to what they needed. Damn. I love how most of the time we do these tier lists, we have a very top heavy. These are all failures. So it's real opposite.

It's bottom heavy. last one i think that is i can't see the picture from this far away oh kawai leonardt paul george james hardin ooh it wasn't a bad idea but is it a bad idea to bet on that many old guys no that many unfortunate injury old guys that wasn't james hardin didn't look nearly as good as he does now when they first acquired him his hamstring looked tough fried for two years yeah he looked like he was towards the end of his career he was average, like, 16 points or something like that. The Brodman to be a playmaker, try to get one more life to the failure of the Paul George Kauai

collab. I think maybe, it probably was a bad idea. Maybe. On paper, it works. Like, the talent makes sense. I think good idea. But they were all in, though. Yeah, they went further all in.

They went further all in for a guy in James Hardin that historically, like the clipper's big problem is, hey, we have this talent. We haven't been able to get over the house in the playoffs. And they're like, oh, who are we going to call? Yeah, let's get James on the fall. I mean, it's the number one person that you want to call in that situation. They also needed a playmaker. Exactly.

And he was out there for cheap. So it sounds like it was an okay idea with some strikes and weaknesses. I think it was a good idea. It was just an idea. It was an idea. And they had an opportunity to capitalize on it. Dude, your hate for hard. Conversations.

Is that not real? No, is that hate or is that not real? If I was about it would do it again. Like it would. What? You're crazy. Where is your organization? I don't believe that.

If I was them, I would blow it up through you. If I could do it again. Blow it up, obviously. But if you're sticking to this plan, Paul George is here for that time period. But you're talking about hindsight. You're talking on hindsight. If I said, I wouldn't stick to that plan.

I would blow all this shit up. Of course. Dublin down was ridiculous. Yeah, I would do it again. Watch me. Watch me trade for Hardin. Watch me get him on a discounted deal too. Who's going to stop me?

I'll do it again. So you think it's a good idea and it didn't work? I think it was a good idea. It didn't work. It's probably closer to a good idea than it is a bad idea. And we'll give him that because Hardin's still around and now he's the best player here somehow. Yeah.

Because he rejuvened himself somehow at 36. If you're not doing the harder thing, then what are you doing at this point in time without Hardin? Paul George would have been out the equation already. Like you're doing nothing. They don't have no picks until 2030. That's why you need Hardin to be relevant. No, that's why you don't give up your picks because.

Did they give up pick card? Yes, they have two more years of pick control to get hardened. No, I didn't remember that. It was from 27 to 29. I will admit, I did not remember that. You went further all day. You would be almost out of the hole if you didn't get James Harded. Whoa, I did not remember that.

You have a swap and unprotected, a 28 swap and 29 unprotected, I think, or vice versa. Whoa, I did not, I did not, I did not throw in a piece in this conversation. Would you do it again now? I would do it. I'm just kidding, though. I'm not doing it. Oh, man. Yeah, and that's the reason why I would say bad idea would just because of the compensation.

And how, you know, considering how deep they were already, bad idea, yeah. Okay, bad idea. You double down when you should have been looking for exit raft. Damn, man. And there we have it. Not a single person, a champ in my heart. You guys don't fucking any of these teams like that. I think the, again, the closest thing to champs in my heart would probably be, honestly, the Sixers.

Honestly, the Sixers and the Nets both kind of, the net, I really love that Nets team. as a James Hardin fan that was the last downing breath of Prime James Hardin The fact they didn't win It's crazy Yeah As the James Harder

The day he got traded I was like no It's actually gonna happen It's like he's gonna get the ring You know what That's a chance in my heart That's fine I'm moving up

I live in reality And that's the end of this video And that's the end of this episode Donovan if people are still here What should they comment I don't know Mo people are still here What should they comment

can you think quicker yeah I can wait real quick do you want to watch you flick this at Donovan wait stop I taught him how to go ahead and shoot

one of these you said we stop do PTSD let's see how far I can it oh shit I would have took you out god damn

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