The Deep 3 Podcast - We Graded Every 2024 NBA Trade | Ep. 75

Episode Date: February 9, 2024

Grading every 2024 NBA trade deadline move! #nba RSVP for our all star weekend show: https://thedeep3pod.com/ Check out episode 2 of the Isaac Gutierrez show: https://youtu.be/liWAjQR_pCs?si=IGEjB2SrWXFEuMbU Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro & big announcement! 4:20- Knicks trades 18:55- Mavericks trades 29:27- Gordon Hayward trade 36:55- Kelly Olynk trade 42:50- Pat Bev to Bucks 45:30- Buddy Hield trade 49:40- Royce O'Neal to Suns 52:23- Monte Morris 53:25- Siakam trade 56:00- Hawks stink 1:01:15- Bulls stink 1:08:43- Lakers stink 1:16:00- Warriors stink 1:21:05- TikTok Time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All right, Donovan, on a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you that the Knicks are going to win the finals? Probably about a 9. Like, I called my uncle today who lives in New York, and I checked in with him. And I was like, we're going to the parade, right? Like, if it happens, right, like, that's going to be okay. Like, I'm staying with you. And he was like, yeah, like, come on. So I already have my parade arrangements.

We're going to the finals. We're going to get there. Let everybody be healthy. Because apparently, I don't know who's playing tonight, right? Because everybody got traded. Everybody's hurt right now. Deuce McBride show. You get us in June.

Listen, Nicole Eokic, watch out. Watch it back. All right. Inversely, Moe, how sad are the Hawks making you? Depression. Pain. I need something to numb the pain. Earlier, Isaac, you dropped your show, came out today to tap in, y'all.

I said, give me the link. I needed that. Today I had to take a walk outside. watch the grass grow damn the crazy part is the craziest part is I didn't give you that link either you just had to suffer in silence

you let me watch it just like everybody else you pee on yeah man as you'll see by the title today we're reacting to the NBA trade deadline the day of it happening it's currently 355 Pacific time

so we're just a few hours removed we're giving our live reactions we're going to grade every single every single trade that happened we're going to grade it and then talk at length about every team that didn't make a trade when we all thought they would

it's gonna be great we're gonna fire some teams up some teams deserve to be fried but one team that deserves to be praised without end honestly is the New York Knicks like we can just start there we can just start there

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I don't think anybody wants you kissing their baby after you eat some crayons. What, man? That's why it's reversed. You kiss the baby and then you need to cry out. Okay.

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Go check out episode two of the Isaac Gutierre show. That'll be great. Oh. You're wrong for this to care. Let's go, let's talk about this graphic. All our entire fan base

realized. that I'm 5'6 and Moe was 6 foot 2 because they saw this graphic that the bleacher for people made for us where it's taken with a wide angle lens with me standing next to Mo so I looked like a fucking munchkin You get fired up last night

after this got posted for no reason. It didn't bother me because it was great promo for the live show. That's a great way to think about it, Isaac. That was funny because I do look I'm much shorter than you but this photo made it look so hilariously exaggerated because it's from a high angle with a wide angle lens

so it makes me look so much smaller it's just hilarious I don't know what was being cooked during that bro but it is what it is Paris my mom texted me when she saw it on the TD3 Instagram she's like why do you look so fucking small in this picture what happened

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Pray on eaters rejoice Alright Donovan Let's start grading every trade Let's begin with your Knicks Let's let you get your parade over with. Let's start with, wait, did they make two trades today? Why am I feeling today? Stop dancing. Stop dancing.

Just, yeah, I won't. I won't. I'm a do both. I'm a dance and I'm a yap, right? Because we only made, we only made one move, but there were two pieces coming in. And so, yeah, yeah. And so we traded Alec-Berkes, M. Fornier, Quentin Grimes, and

Malachi Flynn, two second round picks for Boyan Bogdanovich and Alex Berks, right? A little bit of a reunion situation there. But that is really everything that we needed, obviously after the OG trade, the one thing that everybody's been talking about, which has been real, is the depth for the Knicks and even, and not just the depth, but the scoring depth, the ability to have people who can come in make shots, create offense. Boyon, 100% can do that. Alec Berks can, he can do that in a bench role. And both of

these guys shoot 40% from three. You add that around Jalen Brunson, who's, you know, running halfback dive, putting his head down, you know, getting to the basket every time. Julius Randall is doing the same thing. Now you have driving kick opportunities. You have spacing. Guys, this team is complete, right? If everybody's healthy, which is, again, I keep saying it over and over because I can't stress it enough.

But after Mitch Robinson comes back, Jen and Brunson, Julius Randolph, it's a lot of ifs. It's a lot of hurt people. I'm not going to lie. But O. O. Gianniobie just went through surgery, too. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, yeah, for two weeks, though, so that should be fine. And I'm happy that it's happening in February rather than in April or in March or anything like that. This team is as complete as there is in the Eastern Conference from top down in terms of having a star, having a bench, having an identity, having a defense. I love this team right now. And it's very, very viable that not only they're going to end up as like the two seed, but that they are legitimate. the second best team in the Eastern Conference, you know? Yeah, that's very, very, very fair. Yeah.

Like you said, the depth is crazy. They're by far the deepest team in the East now. Well, never I say by far. Actually, yeah, I'll say that. Yeah. The Celtics have, obviously, six incredible players, which, like, in its own right, makes him have crazy depth. But, like, the Knicks can go 10 deep.

Their 10th man is probably, what, Deuce McBride, who pretty good 10th of mine. Their ninth is like, Isaiah Hartenstein, when they're fully healthy when Mr. Robinson's back. Like, they're crazy deep. I think we've got to give this an A for the Knicks. You agree, Mo? I would give him an A plus man Leon Rose has been cooking And all those folks in the front office

We have entered a new era To where like folks used to make fun of them boys When they selected Frank Nigelina Back in the uh What draft class was that? 2015 or so And 17 You said it like his real name

That is his real name I don't know what you mean It's so funny But um The casualness Frankie smokes Yeah, at this point in time This is a new team

They have been led by one of the Seems to me one of the best front offices So far this year in the entire NBA And they've put themselves in a new air Of just like contenders You know And didn't have to give it for first round pick either Correct

It's you said the You said the Knicks of the best front office this year The best front office that last like three years bro They've been moving very smart since Leon Rose and the new regime came in, they got Julianne Brunson because they saw a player who was currently being underutilized

on a team which he was waiting for someone to empower him to step into the star-level role. They did that. Julius Randall's similar story, but that was a previous regime. They noticed the same thing to OG Anobie put him in a team

where he can focus on his strengths and be a better version of himself. Same thing with Josh Hart, Dante Yvincenzo, Isaiah Hardenstein. Do you go down the line? They don't have a single super high pick here on this roster anymore

after RJ Barrett's gone, and it doesn't even matter because they made so many smart moves around the edges. And it's just shown, like, how to rebuild the team in the exact way you need, even when you have all your best draft picks missing. It's incredible. And this move was just another version of that. Bro, they went to Miami Heat Rock where they're like, we're going to build this team and have a defensive identity, but also at the same time, we're going to inject the power of friendship, right? We're just going to get a whole bunch of guys from Villanova as the core of our team. And we've seen what the power of friendship can do. And you add that to people who can actually play basketball. And once again, you get a team

that is prime to make a finals run. Like everything, even moving forward, like they're under the luxury tax moving forward. They still have a lot of picks that they can, that they can move. They are flexible, this offseason to go make moves on top of everything that they've done. It's, it's an easy A plus. And they are the clear winners of the day, of the trade deadline, which, which ended up being like, it was a mid deadline. Like there wasn't, there wasn't a massive, massive move. But the Knicks, they stole the show. And now, now it's just a waiting game.

Can we, can we wait and can we see if everybody can get healthy? And can we maintain our standings, right, as the three seed, as the two seed, while Brunson and Randall and everybody else is out. Yeah. It's interesting because, you know, we all thought they'd get Malcolm Brogden, or maybe not thought, but we all hoped to get Malcolm Brogden. somebody we thought was available didn't end up getting moved and we thought that because the backup point guard was a glaring issue

after Emmanuel quickly was traded and that was a glaring issue because they just had a severe lack of shot creation off the bench that's still not entirely fixed you still have those issues but you know Jaylon Bruns is playing 40 fucking minutes a night in the playoffs so that won't be that big of an issue and Boyon's hilarious because he's a great shooter if you saw any Pistons games since he came back motherfucker does not pass maybe it's because he was on the Pistons and he was like I'm gonna get mine he was not passing

Grant he was passing to Killian Hayes who got cut Who is he supposed to pass to Isaiah Stewart? God damn But he was hilarious The level of which he would not pass And Ali Burks is another guy

Who's like You know he's not creating shots Other people That's not his game But there's two more bucket getters Who can play off of your main creators And I mentioned last week When I was talking about the Knicks

And like how I think They're really good But I have some worries From a playoff setting And it was about What happens when he doubled Jalen Brunson And just like

Go all out on him Forcing your perimeter talent To beat you corner threes and tacking the paint i was like listen josh hart and ogy they can but it's not the best talent there it's just reinforcement for that so those bench units are going to have just even better shooters there to help make people suffer when they double the league creators yeah i'm sorry this dude is hilarious this dude is so funny it's crazy it's crazy he got fucking cut that nobody else wanted to trade for him and give me a second chance i mean why you you said over and over and

surprising that he's literally the worst score in NBA history like it's a 45% true shooting for his career that's insane I know he he heavily regrets requesting to be traded bro him in his camp I don't know what the fuck they were thinking I don't know who they thought they were bro but nah like this is 100% warranted but back to the Knicks so I don't get too carried away is like this is what happens when your front office and your head coach isn't just like lockstep and they understand the identity and they're doing every humanly possible to maximize this window of the phase of evolution that this team is on. Now, I don't think anybody would say like, yeah, like, they're probably going to win a

championship this year. We're on par like, this is, this is not what you do. But taking stepping stones and they're taking steps towards that direction right now by filling in, like you said, all the edges and filling in every gap imaginable, you know. And this is just a huge W for all Knicks fans, which I hate to see. Yeah, let's, uh, you said not to get too sidetrack on the Knicks. That's enough Nick Talks. You talked about them at plenty last week. They're great. Let's talk about this trade from the side of the pistons.

Because we've been saying that they need to trade Alec Brooks and Boyan. Their fans were like, please Troy Weaver, do something. He is currently under a Messiah Jerry watch as being incredibly watched when it comes to these trades and doing all the wrong things. But he finally traded them. Everybody wanted him to get like first-arm picks

of those guys if you could. He didn't. He got two second-round picks and Quentin Grimes, interesting. What are you all grading it for the Pistons? I want to give this like a C for the Pistons to be honest with you and that C can move into a B depending on what Creen Grimes looks like but you could have done this move like a year ago similar to Messiah in Jury and you literally would have gone to first round pit because Boyan was like that last year. Um but I want to give this a C for now because Queen Grimes is a real piece um and my reunited with Marcus Sasser. That's nice to see because they've played in college. That would be minus.

Yeah, I like Quinn Grimes He has had a very What's the word to use it Inconsistent role with the Knicks Just for the nature of their depth And however Tom Tibido feels about him At any given moment There's a role here for him on the piss-ins

If he can be a good 3-Ind player Which is God knows they fucking need that For their young pieces I see the vision there You'd think But Monty Williams has shown us That he doesn't really care About what you're potentially

is he's going to put you on the bench if he just feels like he's very like tom tibble in that way where he has his own agendas he has his own narratives in his head and so there could be a scenario where quentin grimes comes in here and doesn't really pan out just because he doesn't get the opportunity either but i'm i'm with mo i would give this to see just because if you are the seller in a deal at the deadline, I am very, very inclined to just be like, if you don't get a first-round pick out of Bollyon and out of Alec Berks, you failed in the deal.

Like, I like Quentin Grimes. I like it a lot, but you are not in a win-now situation. You need as much flexibility, as many draft picks, as many future assets that you can get. And if you don't get that, I think that you that you failed so I can't give you a like upper tier type of grade

and I think that they could have done a little bit better but I mean obviously from the next side it's a steal but they should have there's no there's no reason why they shouldn't have given up a 2024 first yeah I mean boy on's old now he hasn't been quite as good as he was like both said last year the public could have got up first for him

those days are just done I didn't think it was crazy for them to keep them because like they have to be competent at some point and having shooting helped now they realize this isn't the year to be competent. So they said screw it But like in a vacuum Two second arm picks for a boyon

Not the end of the world If it was a crappy first It would be great But two second round picks Isn't that big of a difference And Quentin Grimes for Alec Berks Is a great great comparison That is true

Quentin Grimes is a great young player To have any team Would literally love to have someone Of his skill set Who has potential Just be usable Because of the defense And also

The three point shot Making on the Cajon as well But it's just like Principal bro You said that Troy Rears on like Mesailles is your timing. No, fuck that. He'd been on watch for a minute now and he's just making these

bullshit trades just to like not be fired at this point. That's what it feels like because there's no real progress being made and all the moves that should have been made absolutely mean nothing and also they should have been made like earlier. So he's done nothing but like just drag this team and their fans through the mud. That's how I want to give this to see. But the only reason it could turn into a B is if like Queen Rhyme turns into like a starting type, starting caliber player for them, which could be possible for sure. Yeah. Troy Weaver's a terrible GM and Monty Williams is quickly

proven to be a terrible coach, at least the least enjoyable coach I could imagine in recent years. Dude was playing Killian Hayes, starter minutes and having Jayden Ivy be the 10th man off the bench. Meanwhile, Jayden Ivy has been playing damn near better than Kate Cunningham lately showing that like, hey, we need to calm down

on thinking Jaden Ivy is anything less than in line for being one of the most important players on this team. He's showing that like you cannot write him off as just a sidekick. and Killing Hayes just got cut. So the combination of Monty Williams being awful and Troy Weaver being awful is miserable. They're cooked from all regards, bro.

I saw some stat earlier on Reddit. It was like whenever Kaye Cunningham doesn't play, they have so many issues Detroit, and it's like quite alarming to what I'm about to say. Detroit has a record of like four and six whenever Cade Cunningham doesn't play, and that's just like, holy fuck. No, no, it's not.

That isn't. It's like, oh, that's that's a pretty sizable. Sample size. Nothing about that as a little fuck. It's Kaye Cunningham. Nothing about that. You have to scratch your head when you hear something like that. No, it don't.

Early. I mean, for like two seconds and then you're like, yeah, we should probably have one of the most talented guys on our, on our team on the floor. But this is why. And the Pistons, right, you talk about Troy Weaver being a bad GM, Monty Williams, just doing some idiotic stuff. That's why the first round pick, even if it isn't a 2024, is. so necessary because Troy Weaver you might not be here right money money Williams you might not be

here and you're going to need assets to once again go through these go through this rebuild and do all of this stuff and even if you wanted to go take a swing at somebody right those conversations about the pistons going out and getting Zach Levine having those draft picks to be able to give a team like the Chicago Bulls and who knows if they if they even value draft picks but having that flexibility be having that type of draft capital is absolutely necessary. But Detroit, like, I don't, I don't know, man. They're just, they're just in the gutter. And obviously, Quentin Grimes isn't going to save their season or anything like that. But I just hope that they, I wish that they could have gotten a little bit more for their sake. But it's, it's going to be okay, I guess. Yeah.

Shout out to boy on, though. I know that boy's life is moving different. Oh, no, he's moving to New York. He's out of Detroit. He's in a winning culture now. I feel back for Quentin. I've been back for Quinn. He's going to carbone every Friday night, and I used to go to, you know, Little Caesars and stuff, it's awful. A little Caesar. At least he's getting plain time, though.

Terrible. Crazy. Yeah, that's been a lot of business talk. We've got a lot of trades to go through. We're 20 minutes in. Let's talk about the second biggest winner of this trade deadline. The Dallas Mavericks. First trade they made.

Oh, that's your second winner? I think so. Okay. Now I don't know. Maybe I'm forgetting somebody. The second most notable team, because they made two trades and got some promising, some important,

some big names went there, or big-ish names. We're talking about Daniel Gafford, but, you know, the second most interesting team, I'll say that. The Mavericks, the first trade they made

was they sent Daniel Gafford, they got Daniel Gafford, for Rishon Holmes, and second-round picks. Pretty interesting, you know, they have Derek Lively as their starting center. After that, there's a lot of Dwight Powell,

Max and Cleveland minutes, who have, they're both cooked, to be honest, and they've desperately needed another big man to put in that rotation. Derek Lively's been in out of the lineups sometimes.

He's a rookie, don't put too much of a load on him in the playoffs as like the only big up body you have. So Gafford's interesting. I am. This is a massive W. I've been harping on this for the Dallas Maverick since the off season. I wasn't high on them at all remotely. I think I was the only one on this pod who said they wouldn't make the playoffs over,

which of course is like now, he yada because Lucas is Luca's Luca. Y'all have them 11. I had him 10. Yeah, we were all low on them. But this right there helps change my. perception of them and how far they could go in the playoffs and just finish out the regular season because now you just have that depth you have bodies you don't have to rely on derrick lovieve who's been absolutely fantastic but daniel gafford is a monster as well great rebounder

he's he's a lot of space shot block he's he's a magnificent piece bro i love a man's player and next to luca we're going to get some amazing lob soon bro yeah dude he's going from catching Lops from Jordan Poole to Luca Donchich. Daniel Gaffertr's going to be eating. He's going to be living life. It's going to be great. He's such a talented. I love watching him offensively.

I don't have a good feel for how he is his remember protector. It's hard to when you're watching the Wizards play basketball. But, you know, he's not going to have a massively important role. He can come in and give him offensive boost. I think this is a good A-minus move for the Dallas Mavericks. I think so as well. Let's talk about the second move as well. Because I see both of these moves and the reason.

why, like, yeah, I view them very much in tandem because the second thing that they did, they traded away Grant Williams, who was the off-season signing, and they brought in PJ Washington, who, you know, dropped 43 a couple weeks ago. Yep. That trade was, what was up? That's the trade. It was Grant Williams, Seth Curry, and a first-round pick for PJ Washington alone. Yes.

How do you feel? I like that one and the Gafford move a lot. And the fact that they, the fact that they were able to rebuild the front court. is immense. Like it means so much because when you have Luca and Kyrie in your back court, that's on lock, right? You have two, you have two guys that are all NBA caliber guys. And with the production that Grant Williams was giving you, which was negative production, and then as you guys were talking about, the backup bigs were bad,

now you actually have depth for Luca and the maps, which is something that they have not had in a while. And you have guys in the front court like PJ Washington who can score and can and can shoot like legitimately. This, this moves me for the Mavericks. And I think that's like same. Yeah. I was just going to say, let me read you guys, Grant Williams points, the amount of points that you scored over the last five games. All right.

Ready? Three points. Nice. Two points. Nice. Two points. Nice. 14 points.

Points. Nice against Philly without and Bede, whatever. Cool. Okay, five points. Last game you played. Nice. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, he should be out of here. He should be out of here. And there's already a level of elevating that Luca can do when you just have like mid talent around him. And it sucks when you have somebody who's actively working against your franchise, which is what Grant Williams was doing. And now that. Yeah, but now that you replace that with somebody who's going to be a legitimate net positive. they have they have a chance like to win a playoff series like for real i i wasn't necessarily taking them as a serious threat to win in the first round um i do now and i would have i i do i think i think having this stuff having having um p j and gafford that's that's massive because this is something the clippers was the eight seed you can't fucking bust on and that's the thing i don't think that they're going to be the eight seed anymore because because they have because they made these moves. It's when you have, when you have Luca, this is something that they, that they could have done, which is, hey, we just signed this guy in the offseason. We gave

him a lot of money. Let's wait and quote unquote be patient and see how all this plays out. When you know good and well that Grant Williams isn't going to turn around and do exactly what you need him to do, they were impatient. They didn't sit on their hands and they tried to maximize once again the window that they have with Luca. I think that the Mavs are doing a great job right now. And I'm, I'm very, very happy with the trade that they made today. I agree. Same. From after the first game of the season on opening night, we recorded an instant reactions episode where we gave purposeful overreactions for every single NBA team. On that night, I said, the Mavs won the game against the Timberwolves night one.

And I came up here and I said, it was a win that you shouldn't feel good about a fair Mavs fan. And they proceeded to win like six straight. So at first, I was like, ah, shit, maybe they're going to be good. But you know, it corrected at the 8C now. The reason I said that, I said was because at the four position, they're seriously lacking any type of athleticism, just to their team. I said they need their own version of an Aaron Gordon to give them some kind of athleticism. They have the least amount of rim volume in the league. They're up there with the Warriors. They just do not get to the room at all from top to bottom of the roster, and they don't defend the rim super well either. A very hard formula to win with at a high level, you've got to be

able to dominate the rim on both sides of the ball, and they're awful at it. And that's strictly because at three and four they're starting Derek Jones Jr. and Grant Williams who give you nothing there. They needed an Aaron Gordon type. And if I was drawing up if I had to draw Aaron Gordon from memory with my eyes closed on the whiteboard, I would draw PJ Washington. Just like the great

value version. That's the exact player they needed. Wow. That's a crazy comparison. I really think about that at all. Yeah, I've never thought about them in the same section. Yeah, I've never compared them in my head. But it's obviously now he's not the defender. He's worse than Aaron Gordon. I'm not

saying, like, that, you know, nah, he's not Aaron Gordon. I'm going to not to say that. But, you know, a foreman who is a little bit mobile, has some athleticism, can move around a little bit. You know who that sounds like? You know who that sounds like? Paul Millsap.

P. Millier, your name lives on to this day. I love it, man. Wow. That's wildly disrespectful to Paul Millsap. Like, listen, this is the, All-Star, bro. Like, yeah. Yeah, like this version of PJ Washington is,

Pete Washington, that's the greatest player in the world. Like, there's a reason the Hornets weren't, like, dying to keep them around. But in terms of fit and need from athletic four that can do some stuff with the ball in his hands, give you some scoring presence and athleticism at the rim, I can't think of a more perfect person that's actually available to fit into this lineup. The Hornace is trying to keep them around because they're an unsurious, like, franchise. You know, they, they, it seems like no matter who the owner is, they're going to do something where you're like, eh, you probably shouldn't have done that, right?

You probably could have worked something out a little bit better. And this is, this is once again something that they were doing. But they're clearly sellers. Rozier is gone. PJ Washington is gone. Gordon Hayward is gone as well. Good for them, I guess. But like, it sucks for Lamello because once again, he has absolutely nothing.

Or, I mean, him and Brandon Miller, but you cleaned house and you are starting from the bottom again. So that sucks for them. The only good thing that I could say about this for the, for the Charlotte Hornings, like great job like you got the nbapa vice president in your locker room i hope he has like gives great speeches and helps correct like a lot of nasty things that appear to be happening over there but that organization is going to do that they're not their type of guy they still have miles bridges in that roster which is like a little awkward but it's like yeah i don't i have no hope for this organization bro but i guess grant williams is like a positive it's a good role model

citizen there. Listen, we knew whenever they signed Peter Washington and Restricted Free Agency this past summer. They were signing him to trade him. He was going to walk, and he was like the last restricted free agent of the notable names to sign a contract because they're waiting as long as they could to get him for pennies and the dollars, squeeze as much money out of him as they could.

It was obviously they're going to trade him, and they got a first-on-pick for him. And Grant Williams isn't a good contract right now because he's playing like horse shit. But we saw him last year to be better. There's a reason when the math signed him, nobody was like, oh, gross. they were like, okay, that's an interesting player to be a defender next to your star players, whatever. If he can find his game again

and play like we saw him play in his best in the Celtics uniform, he could prove to be a decent role player to have as well as our first-arm pick you got. I'd give this a solid B-plus for the Hornets. Yeah. It's the Hornets, bro. Until they corrects the act is going on,

I didn't say I like them, but it's a solid move. You got to get rid of him. The logic tracks out. Like, the logic makes sense. But getting Grant Williams at this stage in time is not fantastic. You know, but it's okay. Yeah, I don't think he's going to be a pumpkin forever. Well, we'll see.

Maybe he is. Maybe he just cooked. Who knows? Listen, man, they needed some type of positive veteranship over there. We saw the other day. There was a viral clip going on on Twitter where, like, Brandon Miller. Yeah. How long has he been in the league?

Listen, 2019. He got drafted in 2019, bro. He's like 24, 25 or something like that. feel like he's 28 but listen he gives out that energy he's gonna go ahead yell at folks for not getting back on defense alongside brandon miller we saw like gordon heyward he was heading far as fuck away from these boys not congratulating anybody not dapping up any hands not telling brandon miller any like giving him any gems like he should as a vet because he knows because he knew he was fucking out of there so i know grant will will do a lot of the things that don't fucking matter

on the court or off the court but man i'm happy i'm happy i'm happy i'm happy that he has a new chance or whatever. Speaking of Gordon Hayward, let's move on to the next trade we have the grade. Gordon Hayward is now in the OKC Thunder. And you know, all year we've said the OKC Thunder

better make a motherfucking trade because they are a great team are fighting for the one seed alongside the other three teams in the four-way tie. And the biggest thing everybody said was they need another big man. Ideally, a stretch five,

cough-cough Kelly Olinick. We were at the point where like if they don't get another center to back up Chet, they're going to have big problems can playoff time. They didn't do that. But what they did do is they got a version of Josh Giddy who can actually shoot

and is four inches or two inches taller, whatever he is, and a lot better and defense actually have the respect. So they kind of fix one hole but ignore the other. How do y'all feel? I feel good. It's kind of the same premise as the Mavericks where if you have somebody actively working against your team, you have to get them out of there. And so they weren't able to move Josh Giddy out, but you can replace him with Gordon

Hayward, which now you go from a negative. to, at minimum, somebody who defenses have to respect, right, whenever, whenever Shay and Jalen have the ball. And he can create his own shot a little bit. And like you said in the tweet, for 20 games, I would not play this man until April. You need to stay as fresh as possible for the playoffs. But it's a good move for them.

They still have the issues up front. It's a lot of pressure on Jet Homegren now to be like the lone legitimate room protector that they have. but this does fix a problem that they had they did have they have multiple problems and this fixes one so it's a it's a good trade and it's a move in the right direction yeah and they traded no first on picks either it was multiple second round picks tray man salary filler but tray man was the main thing in this trade that's going back to charlotte which is a pretty good get for them honestly they're gonna have to buy gordon heyward out and they got tray man yeah i was at first i scratched

my head a little bit but i realized that tray man's a very good player who seems like he just needs to have an opportunity to ball out because he just needs a ball in his hands to operate and he got phased out of the okayc rotation as time going on and jdub started being jub and say was really him so it's a good trade it's a good package in return for them uh and as for okay c like you got more veteranship if you want to call gordon here with that someone's been through it at least and uh he's another option you don't have to rely on Isaiah Joe coming in for 20 minutes, 25, 30 minutes every other night, in turn for Josh Giddy.

And I think this helps me feel a lot better for them whenever they enter the playoffs. Yeah. And correction, there's no second-arm picks in the deal either, I don't think. I think it's just Trey Man, Bertons, and just like salary filler. Yeah. So, we're absolute W for the Thunder who are quickly reaching a point where they're not going to be able to pay all these young players they have.

So Trey Man was going to be on another team regardless. this. So it was either you just like wait and eventually let him walk in for your agency or you get him in there for Gordon Hayward who can just immediately obviously be helpful to your rotation. Honestly, I'm going to go A for both teams. I was going to go ahead and give them an A plus because like all those on the trade that we wanted to see, but I'm like this is a good trade regardless of the fact. Yeah. Yeah, I do A2. We're a lockstep on this. Yeah, I like it a lot for the hornets too. It could be a nice backup point guard to fill the hole that James Book night never came into. Yeah, James Bokey

I just got, oh my God, tragic, tragic. He's not dead. Okay, you're saying, listen, listen, you're saying that that too, before we started recording there. Yeah, Isaac got the notification that that, uh, that

that, God, Lee, that James Bougat was waived and he was like, he's like, oh no, James is dead. And I was like, I was like, James Bougnike died? Oh my God. I was like so shocked. And then he was like, no, bro.

Like, he just got cut. It's okay. Yeah, I meant more in like a rip bozo type of scenario, not like a, not like an actual rest in peace. I thought he was deceased. That is not. Yeah, good trade all around. I'm still perplexed that OKC doesn't think they need a backup big. And I mean, part of it, it really only comes down to playing the nuggets, honestly.

And I guess the Timberwolves. But there's a lot of advantages they have to the way they play small. and like there's the strengths come with weaknesses you know so I guess I understand why they want to stay true to that and they didn't see a deal out there that they don't really see themselves playing a traditional big like Andre Drummond or whatever but it's just weird that like you know they have all these picks Kelly Olinic went for a first round pick they didn't think they wanted him

like we didn't hear the link at all everybody was like please do it there was never a report you could have thrown two and still had 34 first round picks then like that's what I have it that's that right there is why I think they probably didn't do it because everyone knows knows that them and the Utah Jads are breaded the fuck up. And people are just trying to like price gouge them. And that might actually be a thing. But at the same time, I guess same price is just like, nah, let's just let it ride.

But you can't, you can't make all those picks. Yeah. Even if you cut it down, they have 36 draft picks. Even if you cut it down by two thirds, you have 12 draft picks. You can't make all those picks. Like, they have to go eventually. So when you have a team right now that's fighting for the one seat in the West and you have a first year or yeah, you have a rookie essentially and Chet Holmgren, back him up, give him a little bit of help on the front line. Like you, it's getting to a point where it's just hoarding and I want to know where they're going to, what's going to be the line for them for them to say, okay, we are actually going to use these first round pigs.

I can tell you when it's going to happen. Exactly. And I can tell you what's going to happen. You're 36. You're 36 draft picks. You're flexible as anybody in the league. Well, first of all,

but a lot of those are second round picks. They're not going to fucking make them. They're going to sell them. Or what they're honestly going to do most often is just condense them. They're going to trade multiple to move up a couple pieces to get the player they want.

Like this year they have, I think, three in the first round of the 2024 draft. They're going to trade a team three for one to move up type shit. So they're just going to like, continue to do that and have a better pick where every year,

something comes around where there's a role player that can be useful to them, if next year they realize they have to trade Josh Giddy and there's a whoever available, they'll always have picks to make moves like that. I think they're just to maintain flexibility until they actually need it. Three first round picks is insane this year. Yeah, exactly. So they have a total of 21 second round picks over the last second round picks over the last, over the next like seven years and 14 first round picks over the next seven years as well. And so it's just going to be a continuous this annoying back-in thing that Sam Presi is going to have to knock out and try to nail it every single time. But at the same time, like, there's not a lot of pressure to do it. It's just

annoying as hell. Imagine if you're like the bucks had like 65 second round picks to trade all the time. So every year they could trade five for their new version of Jay Crowder. Look, it has always had the options at their disposal. Like, it's a very great luxury to have as the players on the team start to get more expensive and you start to need stuff like that. I guess he doesn't want to shoot his load too early. shoot a little bit of the load shave a little bit off Yeah

You're going to be okay Sam Presti You can spend You can spend a couple first round Fuck all that Sam Presti I'm just like you Be stingy You don't know when your ready days

Are gonna come I agree This is a Alright let's talk about the next trade I mentioned Kelly Olinick He is now a member of the Toronto Raptors Who Inexplicably for the second trade deadline in a row

traded a first round pick in the 2024 NBA draft for a white center on an expiring contract who they'll have to pay isn't that what are they cooking? Last year they did it for Yacopold

because they were refusing to rebuild and were trying to compete so let's go get this high level center and be our starter here's our first round pick for next year this year they started to rebuild they already traded Pascal and OG An Anobi

and yet they traded another 24 first round pick for a guy who the only reason I don't think this is an absolutely insane move, is they got Oce Abaji in this deal, and Kelly Olinic fits alongside Scotty Barnes as a spacing five. So I guess I understand it, as well as they already have other 24-24 first-on picks, so maybe they don't even make all those picks. But it's still just kind of weird to be a buyer, isn't it? Always. They, they want, outside of the Kauai trade, what is my side doing, right? Like, what is your, what's your plan? Are you trying to rebuild? Are you

trying to just stay in the middle are you trying to do a little bit of both which is probably what it looks like from aside like he wants to rebuild but he doesn't want to be one of the five worst teams in the league you don't want to get to you know Detroit Piston land but giving up assets in this stage of the rebuild seems like a bad yeah just in principle it's weird right yeah right now I find that every single move as of late that masai jiri does Raptors fans have to find themselves talking to other NBA fans into a trade. And the more you yap about something, the longer you have to be like, oh, no, like this makes sense because this draft weekend, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Like you're digging yourself into a deeper hole and to realize and you have to realize, like, man, maybe this doesn't make that much sense because everyone's shaking, scratching their head to give up some, to give up a first round pick for killing the next, like, okay, and I know what's about just like, okay, like I understand a good player, but the state of your team doesn't make sense. And this trade only makes sense if you genuinely believe Oce Abachi could be like

a real long-term piece alongside those guys. I guess, you know, I'll... Sorry to cut you off. I'll go to C-plus. I don't think it... I guess it's not that crazy because, for one,

you need to fill players around your core players that can help them succeed. A stretch five is vital next to Scotty Barnes, I think. It'll help a lot. Kelly Linick gives them that. It's weird because it's a restrictive free agent,

not restricted free agent, because he's an expiring contract. and they got a pay in the summer, so that's a little strange. Like, are they going to give Kelly Linnock a multi-year deal? If not, it's weird, why did you trade for him? But they have multiple 2024 first-round picks. Masai has already made it very fucking clear. He thinks his draft class is a weak as shit.

That's why he traded last year's first-round pick. So he's standing on that. He's going to continue to think that, apparently. And I guess you could argue that if you already think that, maybe you could say that O'Shea is a more intriguing player than whoever they'd pick at, like, 24 with that pick. I think that alone makes it justifiable. Yeah.

That's fine. But you have to talk yourself into it still. Off of principle, I can't do this. I can't give you a first round pick when I'm selling. When I just traded away a franchise player, two of them, right? Like, think about everything that we've heard from Masayu Jiri and the Raptors over the past couple years. And think about the inflated trade. value that they had for OG and think about the the trade value that they had for Pascal and then

the overall return that they get back for them and now once again you go out and give up assets it's a weird mixture of what they value what they don't what they're willing to give out what they're not willing to give out and I don't I just don't understand it I want to talk to him aside I want him to make a little bit of sense like you know Dave he picked quickly over a pack that has more picks because he prefers getting players that he believes in over a crap shoot of a draft in a year where he clearly thinks he's weak same type of thing right he likes ocha he thinks he's he's prioritizing like it's not like they did it for nobody right like that's a young player that has a lot of potential like you're adding him to the core in theory getting that type of

player is exactly what you want from a team that's rebuilding i can only take you so far yeah i sit here and think to myself like okay you unload a first round pick and then you go ahead and decide to trade away dennis stroeder you tell him you couldn't like pair a first round pick along with Dennis shorter to getting even better young player who's proven a little bit more than some like, Oceabachi, you couldn't trade for something like fucking, I don't know, Kelly Olinaker, not Kelly like my bad, Colin Sexton or something like that, because he'll be worth a first round pick when it comes to those types of things. So it's like, I don't know, I can't, I can understand the logic, but you have to, the longer you talk about it and talk

yourself into it is just like, ah, man, I don't know, it just doesn't sit around with me. I want to give this a C. Okay. I'm going to see what are you giving it I'm going to see okay what about from the jazz perspective uh probably about like what yeah like like like a B plus one once again you put another another traffic into your what do you what into your bag I have no idea what to what to call your basket yeah yeah whatever whatever whatever you have you have more of now and that's exactly what's that's that's exactly where you want to be who's phone is that It's not me.

It's not me either. That's hilarious. I get no notification. No notion. No motion. Yeah. Masaii has a, he has a tendency. If there are any Africans out there across the association, just know that Maasai has his eyes on you.

And that's why I might be entering the 2024 NBA job myself. Second round, me, Maasai. One of the deals are interesting. Oh, the Milwaukee Bucks got Patrick Beverly. any change for campaign in a second round pick

did you guys here? Cool. Did you guys hear how this trade was announced though? Yeah,

tells this man Patrick Beverly himself for the first time in NBA history announced his

own trade on his own platform. Things are changing but he didn't give no details and was just like Patrick Beverly

will be heading to the Milwaukee bucks is like damn what the fuck happened let me do that for the Twitter account

of his podcast at Pat BevPod let us know five minutes before rose did he had the inside scoop yeah does this move you for the bucks move a little bit it like it like pushes right i'm not i'm not taking five steps forward but if some it nudges me that that's what it does it nudges me because like you said they need um they need a point of attack defender and there's one thing pat beth is going to do he's he's going to defend and he's going to try to defend and so i think that this

This is, it's very helpful for them. I'm curious to see what, wait, what do you mean trying to defend Donovan? I thought you said like Patrick, you said like Patrick Bradley sat on a podcast is like, whenever I'm guarding you feels like yonis is guarding you. That means they must have two yonis.

That's what he said. Listen, that's what he said. But he also has, and a lot of, listen, to be fair, a lot of guys who have the defender label are kind of like this,

but there are moments where like Pabbeb be tricking you. Right? He'd just be running around, tricking people. And so there's there's moments like that that I feel like whenever I'm watching Pat Bev I wonder how that's going to work in the in the playoffs also for somebody who's not a reliable shooter like you kind of trade out you know campaign who was who's going to be that and you swap that for defense so it's a good move because it feels a

very very like dire need that they have but now it puts a lot more pressure on the guys that you already have in the building to knock down shots. Yeah yeah that's cool. I'll give it a B. It's an exact type of player they need. We'll see how much Pat Beb has in the tank for them, how much you can give them in a playoff setting. But, you know, like I said, it's exactly what they needed. I really would say

what I traded for Chris Dunn and said, because I think he's a better player at this stage, obviously younger, too, and I think he's also more expensive probably. Yeah. Yeah, that's another thing. They may have to give up like a quarter of their fucking stakes of their organization to be able to pull something like that off. It's not that deep, but you know what I mean. For Chris

Desch is just Chris Dunn. Chris Dunn is nice, man. 25% of the organization for Chris Deng? That's wild. Hey, just Danny ain't. They don't know much else off the trade. Exactly. Let's go to the next trade, sticking with the 76ers.

Buddy Hilled has finally been traded. After years of Buddy Hill rumors, we swore he was going to be a Laker, we swore he was going to be a Mab. We swore he was going to be so-and-so. Everywhere but the Pacers, it seemed like. And he's finally traded to the Philadelphia 76ers. And that deal included

Marcus Morris, Furcon, Quirkman. Maw's 2024 second round pick and 2029 second round pick as well as a 2029 second round pick from the clippers going to the Pacers are you moved for either team this is a great trade man furcon quirkman's he recursed a trade back in like 2018 he finally got his wishes given to him six years later he got waived right after exactly and he got waves congratulations buddy that's so tough but uh this is a good trade for the philadelphia for the 76ers um trade for the suits is because they get another four spacers, but he'll can give you

a solid 12 points for game, so it's like... What does he laughing at? Just call it corgma, just be like, good job, buddy, you got you just so wave. Enjoy it, pal. Enjoy it. It's so funny, bro. We've seen these NBA players get themselves fired, bro.

It's like, damn. Fires a crazy way to put it. It's so funny. It's what it basically is. It literally is. is. It's tough. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, Buddy Hill's not very good. The idea, Buddy Heald is awesome. Kind of sucks. Every team that has him is constantly putting him on the trade deadline, on the trade block. Can't defend worth a lick. Obviously, he can get very hot and maybe

swing some playoff games, which could be cool for them. The shooting can be very maximized next to two stars. It's the best team situation he's been in yet. You know, he's riding away on those shitty king teams before they turned it around. The Pacers aren't like, you know, a premier organization right now. Obviously, Tyrese is a great creator, but you know, like he hasn't been on a great, great team, like theoretically he can be next to Joel Embed and Tyrese Maxie. Maybe they can get the best out of him, but he's honestly not particularly helpful. If anyone can, it'll probably be Nick Nurse. So it's a good trade. I can see, I can see it paying out on dividends in the future possibly. I'm not a fan of it. I'm not, I'm not a huge fan.

For a lot of the reason that Isaac said, I just, I, I can see it already. We're going to be in game three of the first round. And Buddy Heald's going to get lit up. Like they're putting him in every single action. He's, I see a scenario where, like, down the stretch, if he's not hitting shots like Buddy Heald, he might be unplayable. Oh, I guarantee he will be unplayable in playoff series or sometime. He's been unplayable in playoffs series before. Exactly.

That's nothing new for, actually, have he made the playoffs? He's never made the playoffs in his NBA career, but in important games in general, you're right, unplayable. Yeah, like, he's been unplayable in stretches of the season for a while. He's fallen out of the rotation. Yeah, after, I don't know who I thought it was being in the playoffs, but no. And if they play the Boston Celtics and he has Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum going at his fucking throw every place singling him out and picking rolls, eviscerated.

I'm sorry, buddy. Not that's not that match up for you. Straight food. Straight food. And that's why I don't love it because any trade that you make that the Sixers make right now, you're clearly making for the playoffs because that's whenever Joe L is going to be healthy. And to get a guy that probably isn't going to play massive minutes for you, it's not the, most ideal situation so I don't love it as much as you know as you do Mo or

or maybe any other person so I would probably give it like a C minus D plus he got it they got them for cheap they got them for cheap which is great they didn't give up a first or anything crazy like that just three seconds practically is a good deal for for me but you know as time goes on we will see teams run whoever offense on buddy healed meaning whoever if body heels guarding you you know what I'm saying it's your time to go ahead and get a bucket but I think I'd give this to be because it's like if he can hit two three

important threes during a playoff series like that's what he should be at two three is in a playoff series that's the fucking bar for him Jesus Christ yeah buddy they're down bad okay so we're running out of notable trades we're not going to talk about

Doug McDermick going to the pay series I don't care about that why not another I go to hell Hell, another interesting one is Royce O'Neill and David Roddy are on the Phoenix Suns now in exchange for pick swaps. Royce O'Neill moves me a little bit for the Suns. This is the exact type of trade that the Phoenix Suns needed to make. They got a whole bunch of players who are like who you would have an idea of like 3&D, 3&D, give me the nitty, gritty stuff, but Royce O'Neill is the actual nitty, greedy NBA player

that a lot of NBA teams could use, specifically the Phoenix Suns and need that type of guy more than anyone so it was a great trade they scrapped together whatever assets that they could got rid of a boatload of just man like 68 overall NBA role players for someone like roosterner who moves certain needles which in this is a W in my opinion this is like a I might give this a beat yeah any any any move that that Phoenix has made since trading for Bradley Biel I've always looked at it I'd be like you guys did a great job because considering what you had and you were still able to get this this asset this is a good job now as we've seen sometimes that's always worked out they shipped some guys out today but hey again

getting Ross O'Neill like y'all said it's a it's a good move I like this yeah and David Roddy's not good at anything right now but you know he's young he's athletic maybe he'll be maybe he'll be better with stars flanking him in a better team scenario maybe that maybe that'll help him like they can they can I do the reclamation process so like simple and matter of fact about like yeah he's not good but it's okay like it's hilarious and like he can get there he's young he listen he with nothing else he will drive the basketball he is super aggressive with a ball in his hands shooting hasn't quite come around defensively his hit or miss but you know he's in team construction that

is better than what he had before playing around three stars maybe they can get something out of him i say he's not a super shiny piece here now but that's why he was still available so maybe they can, you know, a team like them, they have to try to find things around the edges. Remember the Lakers turn a Lonnie Walker into a solid role player. They got to do stuff like that. So Dave Roddy isn't the worst swing in the world.

Yeah. It's a nice potential. Yeah, I'll take this guy. He seems like an NBA player. Yeah, like, why not? Let's see, nothing to lose. He is. No, no, he is.

He's an NBA player. He got that. Of course. Yeah, he's certainly an NBA player. That much I can say. Just trying to think of it. Before we move on, is there any other trades that we want to

talk about because I just want to take the pain straight to the face of an Atlanta Hawks fan and talk about all the other teams that didn't make a move thank God let's talk about a couple that happened a day before Monty Morris got sent to the Minnesota Timberwolves you know we talked about them being to guard for a long time I thought maybe be some of you a little bit more scoring oriented but you know they got a backup point guard which is a glaring need for them since basically their backup point guard is Kyle Anderson who is having an awful offensive season good for them yeah I actually called this trade out good not trade out happening but I was like they should

probably do this on I think a BR stream but yeah it's a solid it's cool like Monti Morris helps organize organize their offense and shit like nice job this is a solid B yeah no it was just a quintessential backup point guard right we know Monty Morris can run an offense be a good enough passer not like gonna allow you with anything off passing wise or scoring wise but gonna be like immensely competent and keep your offensive flow very serviceable since they couldn't get Tyos Jones yeah Thanks. Thanks. What's next?

Okay, before, okay, we're going to talk about the teams that didn't do shit at the deadline, and we're going to be in despair, like Don McMosa, the Atlanta Hawks. But before we get to that, we should talk about the trades that happened weeks ago that we saved the grading for for this episode. And that's specifically a Terry Rozier trade and the Pascal Seaccom trade. We've seen a little bit of how those trades have played out so we can make a little bit more of, like, educated grades. Let's do that real quick. What are y'all going to grade the Pascal Seaccom trade? it's an a in my opinion i think getting any time that you are a small market team and you are able to payers yeah yeah yeah and a a for the pacers anytime that you're a small market team and you are able to get talent in the building when you already have a franchise piece right

that is a that's a that's a that's a very very big plus and so they did that for tyrese and now you have a all-star duo to build your team around i i i like it it a lot. Yeah. And no, Tyrese has been hurt, so we haven't got to see a lot of it yet, but no reason to be down on it. Yeah, exactly. He's the exact type of player that you need alongside Tyrese, someone who has a bag, can relieve pressure and stress from Tyrese Halliborne, and can also run offense on his complete own with nobody's help, won't be waiting on the corners to be productive. This is a great trade. And also, he's a good defender, too, and obviously that's what Indiana needs at this point in time. So.

Yeah, and their most recent game, they played the Houston Rockets. Seacom had 29, 4-on-4, 11 for 16 from the field. Very good game. And that was the first game we saw Tyrese Halper and playing more than 20 games in a while. So that was like the first real glimpse at them with some time together to finally like really mesh. And it went well. They beat a team that has a very good defense, hung 1203 points on their head. Good for them.

I'll give a day as well. Good job. Good job. We're off the Raptor side. What are you graded for them? This is a fucking, I want to say C for the Raptors because they could have gone so much. more again, Masayu Jiri, why do you keep on doing this?

I don't know. They got three first-on-vix, though. It could have been fucking four, bro. They could have gone to Dejante Murray-type hall, Rudy Gaubert type hall. But, again, three first-on-picks. Can't be too mad at it. He did what he didn't be done.

That's pretty good. This is a B. That's where I was going to go. I was going to go B as well. Yeah. Necessary move, how to rip the band it off. I don't think they did a bad job. Like you said, they waited too long.

But they did the best of what they could. an expiring deal getting you three first-arm picks is honestly in a vacuum pretty fucking fantastic the problem is he didn't have to be an expiring deal that could have traded in last year but what are you going to do? Oh well

tragic Oh well Have you felt about the tier? Actually, what do we got to talk about Terry right here? Fuck that shit. Let's talk about these teams in despair that didn't make any moves

but let's start with your Atlanta Hawks because these motherfuckers didn't do a damn thing they're sticking with a Jeanette Murray and Trey Young sticking with Clickapela and Echek-Ongu sticking with Sadeek-Bay sticking with DeAndre Hunter sticking with Quincy Snyder, everybody. How are you feeling? I have known that Atlanta's known for like scaming

people. Everybody. Scams going on in colleges. Folks out here like there's these group of people called the ATL water boys scammers. Scammers everywhere. You don't know what they look like. And some scammers reside in that goddamn front office is what I see. Even our team. They've scammed us as well, bro. We went on this little four game winning streak, bro. They beat the Warriors, the Phoenix Suns, the Lakers, and some other team I can't remember, bro. And everyone's like, okay, like me, yeah, yeah. Everyone's like, okay, like, we're over here cooking something. We're not.

Don't let this let this little one fool you. We've also seen this a few times around other teams in the league or whatever, but when I take my emotions out of it, I can understand why we didn't make a move. Simply because, like, what the fuck is the rush? We have one of the most valuable. contract in the NBA and DeJante Murray simply because like we all know he provides a lot of value on the court. Do we know how that value is going to fit on winning basketball? Not 100% sure. But for what he does and also the price tag attached

to it, it's fucking nice and it can move. I can help structure a team. So I understand not not rushing to go ahead and make that move. That's cool with me. We can wait until the obscene and go ahead and get that shit over with it. It's just painful for me to watch. Well, Kempel though, I think we probably should have moved off of him to go ahead and give jalen johnson a better complimentary piece so we can continue to grow and develop and that's move around like okay we probably should have done this and given on yoke of the keys instead of being in this like weird middle gray area where like unyka's still nice but clincapella is like very serviceless as well which i can understand yeah they uh all the reports were saying you know

de jontemore was linked to lakers for weeks it seemed like a foregone conclusion fell apart in the last couple weeks since the heavy rumors were really taken off, partially because Delo started playing fantastic and the Lakers are getting a little cold feet, partially because D'Angelo, I mean, Jonte Murray himself, hit two game winning shots and, like, fooled the hawks and they're thinking, like, hold on, maybe we've got to keep this team together. And all the reports were saying they needed Austin Reese from the Lakers or Herb Jones from the Pelicans. They weren't getting rid of Johntie Murray for anything less than a premium package in which they felt was equal value to a low-level All-Star in which they paid for. That wasn't on the table. So I guess it's

better to make no trade than a bad trade but you can't be encouraged right yeah exactly i agree like the whole herb jones thing going on that would have been a match made in heaven in terms of like what a back court partner for trey young of that level should look like picture perfect absolute dog on defense and can help correct a lot of the terrible things and vibes that are going on on court um but it didn't happen for obvious reasons teams are asking for too much and i when the market resets as usual during the summer, I think that's when I deal will get, we'll get happen. And I will be much more comfortable doing that than like us fucking trading for Dyson

Daniels and some random ass, uh, big ass contact. Dyson Daniels. Yeah. Like, I'm happy we kept them. I'm, I'm happy we kept them. How do you feel by Donovan? I, I actually don't think that this was a bad thing. And I actually kind of want to applaud the Atlanta Hawks because I, I,

Obviously, we know that this core is cooked. That's a fact, right? But every time that we've talked about trade packages for Atlanta for Dejante, right, we keep asking Mo, how would you feel if it was this, this and this? How would you feel if it was this, this and this? And giving him all these, like, reported packages that were coming their way. And every time, Mo's like, don't call my phone. Like, you're trying to scan it. And so I just don't feel like there was a legitimate deal for the Hawks to be made.

And so the only thing worse than not making a deal is you making a bad deal. Now everybody's laughing at you. And we look at you the same way that we look at Masayu Jiri. We're like, oh, what are you cooking? What are you doing? You actively set your, you sold for pennies on the dollar for your top assets. Like, what Mose said is right, just this team isn't going to anywhere, right? It's going to stay together.

Wait until the draft because you can make moves on that night. Wait until the summer until everything resets. And when you're not in a rush, and then you can. can properly start your rebuild. I don't think that they did the wrong thing today. And I, I applaud them for not freaking out and just, you know, giving the Lakers whatever they wanted. I applaud them for not selling on DeJante Murray for a low package or doing any of that type of stuff. So I kind of like, obviously, I want them to blow up the core because it needs to be blown up. But as for today and today's actions, it's not a bad thing at all. I agree. Yeah. 100%

online that of all the teams that stood pat and didn't do shit when we expect them to this is the team that's most understandable yeah yeah i 100% agree yeah now the team now the team that needed to blow it up we've been saying to blow it up should have blown it up the Chicago Bulls once again just have us like why are you guys the way that you are what are you what are you waiting for you are not going to win anything trade something please i have never seen Okay, okay, I'm going to say this and I don't mean it hyperbologically. Literally, never seen a more unserious organization in professional sports. Not saying I haven't seen worse teams, not saying I haven't seen more dysfunctional teams, more embarrassing teams. I've seen more of all that. But uns seriousness,

they take the motherfucking cake. What are they doing? What is their goal? Their goal is to be mid. They built a good team in 2021 by making a variety of moves to be competitive. And they're just holding on to that and praying they can get Lonzo ball back eventually. and reclaim the glory they had December 2021. And it's just the only word is unsurious. It's ridiculous. It's not living in reality. Yeah, nah, man.

Like, they're committed to the mid. And honestly, I'm impressed because there's not a lot of teams. Yeah, exactly, bro. Like, you have to respect it. At least as an outside fan, look at trying to look at. I will not respect this.

I would not do shit. I will respect it, bro, because it's hard as fuck to do. And now you're causing some of your loyal fans like fucking candy he said that curse word during his video that he recorded today bro and you don't see that often bro it's like oh my god like you guys must have done something really really bad and they just sat on their hands and it's just like hilarious because they could have gone an absurd amount they could have gone to haul for the type of player that alce crusoe is

they could have gone um potential nasty first round pick 400 germ but still first or a couple seconds it's it's impressive honestly it's impressive they need to be studied need to study their front their GM's brain to see how it functions because it's like rare specimen how to terrorize a fan base he's making the fucking how to terrorize a fan base for dummies making the big yellow book the most you said alks for russo like they should definitely say hi and else russo but the most indefensible one to me is why the fuck is demar de rose and still a bull he's expiring contract are they an extend them are they just to keep him around as a bull's lifer until he's 40 like yes what are they doing yes yes we've seen

this we've seen this right they just get and obviously listen like vooch's contract it's a solid contract it's okay but they re-upped on vuch this offseason they clearly they could have traded Zach Levine in the off season they could have traded him before he got hurt and before he elected to go under season ending of foot surgery but they have a plan to just keep like you said they are hoping for an absolute Disney channel miracle that Lanzo that Lanzo ball is going to come back after three years and not being able to walk or run or do anything and he's going to step onto the court and be the exact same player if not better than what he was when they were the one seed for six weeks four years ago and that's just not going to happen

everybody's three four years older and they're holding on onto that hope i i am certain that they are going to resign demartarosen and that he's going to be and that he's going to be and that he's going to be a Chicago Bowl and we're going to run this back with the big three of Kobe White, DeMarter Rozen, and Vutchevich next year. And that's going to be it. Yeah, I'm certain too, because they can't let him walk for nothing. If they don't walk for nothing this summer, I mean, listen, they offered an extension earlier in the year. He said no, they didn't have money. It's embarrassing. Are they just going to be like, all right, we'll give you what you want? Because if they don't, and he walks for nothing, you are pathetic. You are moronic. You are

sad. You are pitiful. You are everything I could think of. They're back in the corner. like it's honestly a lose lose situation for a bulls fan like i can't even tell you like with the hawks i'm like okay well the rebuild's coming they just have to be smart and wait for a better opportunity to make these moves no there's no type of any type of silver lining here you're just fucked if you're a bulls fan i'm sorry what are they where are they're in the standings right now probably they're not ones they're right they're in the they're in the nine seat 24 and 27 golly five and five in their last 10 honestly they're always they're always five five in the last. Exactly. He's straight in me. Yeah. In the back of my head, I feel like

they didn't really have any enticing offers for someone like DeMarrozen because he is quite literally the hardest star level player to insert in your offense in the starting line because that's what he deserves to be. And there's just, that's just the type of player that he is, is just isn't enticing, hasn't been enticing over the last few years of his career, really the entirety of his career. And they're just like stuck in. This is what happens when you commit yourself to a player whose play style hasn't been favored to the type of basketballs been playing over the last few years. And also, like, man, it's just tough to also, like, have Lutchevich committed to this deal

earlier in the season. It's, I feel, I feel for bothsies, man. I saw Kenny say, he made a video ranting. And he was like, DeMarter Rosen thinks he's motherfucking Superman because he had two game winners three years ago. And that's so true. Like that stretch has just like cemented DeMarter Rosen in Bull's history and like they just can't move off him because of what he did for them in that one two-month stretch and they're suffering because of it. You know he's getting his jersey retired, right?

Oh God. What happens to the game? They love him. Listen, if they bring DeMartarosen back, why wouldn't they? They clearly love, they clearly have a level of affinity for DeMard de Rosen. They should just go ahead and do it. That happens. I'm going to go to the.

It really, I'm getting fired. I think that's, that's honestly. the most interesting thing. You are going to have this mid-core. We already know that, right? Like, that's said in stone. Is Billy Donovan going to be the coach of this team next year? Yes or no. Why fire Billy Donovan? Why would he? What did he do? I'm just asking him. I'm just asking him. I'm just asking him the worst roster ever. What is he supposed to do other than give you the mid you're asking for? If you want to present to the fans that you are trying and that you are doing anything, but you don't want to mess with the roster, the coach is the easiest thing to change. Yes and no,

one word. Is Billy Donovan going to coach this team next year? This honestly, I'm might be, no, he's going to quit. This honestly might be the worst, like, NBA head coaching job that anyone could have because you have no direction. You're not trying to develop. You have no excuses to really lose. But at the same time, you have no, nothing to help you win at all.

And your front office is just running around circles and fascinating with how much money they're making when it comes to attendance. Because I'd push back on that. I'd push back on that and say it's one of the best because the job security in this market. crazy that's crazy have you seen interest rates on new homes you got to move to a new city and buying your house so he's he's in chicago for some years have you seen what coaches are getting fired for now he didn't get in 2020 he got a good interest rate he's gonna keep that yeah yeah that's great yeah it's just sad like I don't know there's no silver lining I

every time we talk about teams that make mistakes I try to find like a reason to justify and like think about their perspective I'm like can't do okay imsided because of this if we're giving the benefit for the doubt I feel no desire to give this guy the benefit of the doubt in any way. Isaac, speaking of being sad, I'm getting tired of talking about the Bulls. Let's get a little bit less sad. How do you feel about the Los Angeles Lakers also not making any moves and just being committed to the Russians they have?

Do you feel scammed? I feel like it's time to accept that the Russell Westbrook trade completely shut the LeBron James title window closed. And that last year we saw them get the most of what they could after trading him. And they made a conference finals run by just completely maximizing the talent at hand, completely maximizing what they had from LeBron and AD in that run, getting the true best case scenario

and getting to the point where they clearly were outmatched talent-wise. That was, like I said, the best case scenario, and we saw that now we're seeing a median case scenario where the team is not that talented. They don't have a lot of options at their disposal. People were saying they need to make moves at the deadline because you can't waste a year of LeBron and AD healthy.

And I agree. On the surface, that is gross, that's to do nothing. It's, you're giving up on it, LeBron, essentially. But then again, there's no moves to make because you don't have a lot of enticing assets. Nobody wants your players. You have one or two first-on picks you can move. I forget exactly the amount of protections and swaps they have,

but not much of your disposal to make a splash. The Hawks aren't giving up to Jante for anything less than Austin Reeves. He's not worth that. Zach Levine's hurt. There's no other big move out there that could be made. So it's like we said with the other teams. you're better off making no move instead of a bad move

and just hoping that this summer, when you have more first-on-picks available, something can come up. But I'm just at the realization that there's no light at the end of this tunnel. Damn. You love to see it. I mean, listen, as I had that haters,

you love to see it, right? This is exactly what I've been waiting for. I've been praying for these days when the Lakers are just so down bad. This is fantastic. No, but I mean, Isaac's right, though. He's right. it's better they've they've already made the wrong move before and we saw how that played out

getting russell westbrook and if they and if the lakers not even a year removed from that from the ending of that situation decided hey let's do that again like that was fun right that would also be very very like it's just mismanagement now you go into this offseason and i think that the fact that lebron has his player option you need to be as flexible as possible so that you can withstand any outcome. If LeBron decides to stay, hey, cool, we have some assets right now. We have another year that just opened up. We have more draft picks to trade this offseason to go help you out.

If LeBron says, you know what, the last two years have been too rough. I don't really feel like being here. I'm going to dip. Okay, cool. Now we still have our draft picks moving forward. I think they're in a, obviously not in a good position because they suck. but but like long-term planning and being able to be as flexible as you can

given the circumstances they're in a decent spot and they're in an okay where they can kind of control their future so it's not terrible spot regardless so it's a good thing they didn't dig themselves in a deeper hole exactly exactly

there was no saving the team at the deadline no matter what you want to do you can either so the weird thing is this is essentially giving up on the season because you know this team isn't going to be good enough they can do mental gymnastics and be like I saw a tweet where

Rob Polinka is going to be like you know we view gay Vincent as our real trade deadline edition and that's exactly how he's gonna fucking spin it is like we have changes coming and players are bringing it back in to make us better and they can do all this shit. Rob Polinka loves spinning shit like that

he always has a sound bite for us it's honestly hilarious but either way you're giving up on this team essentially by not making a move because any movie did make would make this seem marginally better and wouldn't be good enough

to sacrifice making a bigger move down the line where I could potentially have a more fruitful outcome. So it's sad, but you got to just, you're basically going in the towel and just praying LeBron Nadee, you can pull some shit out their ass and get that best case scenario again where we see the making conference finals run before they get horribly outmatched by the clippers that are the Nuggets. You better hope Ruiz knocking down threes. That's 54% clip again.

Great. Exactly. Good God, man. What a time to be alive. What a time to be alive. And I just love the way Rob spend it or, yeah, I love the way Rob spend it. I saw someone on Twitter get their support out there or whatever saying like the Lakers are hoping to make a move with those three first round picks being able to be moved and like that's just like a good way to try to manipulate guys like LeBron and AD on the roster to think like yeah like don't worry about it we got you guys that way like the second if LeBron does leave they'll be okay regards because of those picks and this is just a good way to just like try to keep the guys happy for now. There is a rumor that they want Donovan Mitchell

These idiots think they're getting Donovan Mitchell with three first round picks And DeAngelo Russell Meanwhile all these of the teams have a thousand picks to trade The Nets are going to throw them 64 picks They're just moronic bro It's just like living outside of reality And to me that sounds like an excuse

To say that But really like Donovan said You're planning for a post-lebron future You're seeing the writing on the wall And you're not going all in Because we don't know what his temperature is going to be this off season So you can say

I'm waiting for the next star when really I'm waiting to see what LeBron does. How ironic, though. How ironic? Because the entire offseason, after you sign Rui, after you signed Dilo, the talk always was we signed these guys to trade them. And they have the most tradable contracts in the league. Everybody, from the moment Dilo got signed, that was the only thing anybody has said.

And then they just weren't moved. I think we made that assumption that that's why they got signed. but everything Rob Polinkas had preached was continuity and wanted to run back that group and believing in them. So, yeah, I'm, listen, that's what he said last year, right? That when he tried to run it back with Russ and then you saw what happened at the deadline when the team was in the playing or out of the plan

and the team sucked. And now we're in the same situation where, yeah, you want to preach continuity in the offseason. Everybody in the off season has hope, right? On July 1st or, you know, after the draft, everybody's very hopeful for what the new season. can bring you play three or four months and you're out of the playing and you're like dang this kind of sucks we can't like why would i want to preach continuity with this and so you might

want to trade those guys but he didn't so it's just it's just funny to see them in this scenario but yeah yeah they just went they just went on lebron and it was reported that uh jovan buha who reports for the lakers the athletic reported that some of these teams that made these moves trading players like multiple second round picks like Royce O'Neill we're definitely doing a Lakers tax and I'm trying to upcharge them as we've seen throughout the course of history nobody wants to deal with Lakers nobody wants to make them better

that's probably real but I mean even if they could have got Royston Nile for two second round picks whatever not gonna change the world you're not going to make this team a contender so they probably suffered on that end but either way those marginal moves would have been cool for optics it would have kept Lakers fans with some kind of satiating move to make them not lose their minds

wouldn't have made a big difference in the long run cooked products man from head to toe sad to see what about the warriors how do you feel about them they didn't do shit either also cooked product they don't they don't have any moves either and i guess you're just going to hope that jonathan comminga continues to be on on this run you hope that chris paul can come back and do something you hope and pray that clay thompson gets it together this offseason is going to be an interesting one because they're going to have to make a decision on Clay Thompson. It's just the level of play that he's shown has been so...

What's the decision? Who's going to want him? You're not getting value for him. That's, it's, I think we're at a point with Clay Thompson where it's, at least on the core, I don't know how the vibes would be if Clay Thompson got traded because obviously he's like, he's Clay Thompson. He's a legend in that franchise. But it would be in addition by subtraction if they traded away.

way Clay Thompson. He's too... I don't know he's that bad. He's too volatile, man. It's not it's not great. Yeah, I don't know. It's weird. They're like, I honestly think they're really uncooked. I think they're just like, they got to rebuild. Like, they're just like waiting out the days until either Steph Curry retires or leaves or they got to put him through like what Dirk went through within the career where he was just around rebuilding teams along for the ride. Yeah, no, that's so sick and sad to do. I would absolutely hate to witness some like Steph's level. Top 10 NBA player in mind. opinion, have to just be around a bunch of man.

I think they need to correct a lot of things. Yeah, I know, but it was, they had no choice. They had no choice. And they got talked to, they, I think Steve Kerr is talking into a lot of delusion right now. I think I saw some headline to where he was like, I believe this core in group of guys can do something special as time goes on. Congratulations. That's some specials getting like the ninth pick in the NBA draft.

That's very special. You know, and so at this point in time, what was there to do necessarily for them? Not much. It's not worth in my mind flipping your organization for just like around the edge pieces when you need to do a lot more than around the edge. It's like it needs to be torn down from inside out. Not necessarily like Dre or Clay has to be gone in my opinion, but there needs to be some major like retooling, rebuilding going on in here. Yeah. I mean, listen to that, though, do you want him to be like Steve Clifford, where Steve Clifford was like, listen, we just don't have the talent in the building. Like that, you know, him saying that was crazy. I've never heard, I've never heard a coach, like, of a professional team tell the media, yeah, our guys just aren't good enough. They're just, like, they're just not like that. And I don't think that Steve Kerr would do that, especially when your roster has Steph Curry on it. So, like,

The delusion, he probably knows, like, I'm not, we're not doing anything this year. There has to be some level of reality that's set in for them. They are, though. They're done. They're cooked. And we've been on this since, you know, since the early part of the season, saying that the dynasty is over. They're cooked, right?

This team isn't going anywhere. And I think that they're probably going to do what Isaac said. They're going to keep stuff around because you're obviously not going to trade stuff Curry and you're just going to see what happens and you're just going to endure a lot of seasons of mid and below average playing it sucks to see him go out like that but now everybody goes out on top like this that's the game is it happened like that I would say almost nobody goes out on top that's why what it does happen it's so remarkable and myth making that's why like look at jordan's like oh he was never down exactly grant that you retired early but you know

inevitably teams have the cycle look at the lakers now you make one wrong move it happens the for the warriors it wasn't necessarily a big move like that it was getting old and the wiggins contract not playing out right like there's always stuff you can pinpoint to that father time always wins with how no matter how amazing your court is it's not going to age gracefully forever yeah they had an opportunity with the 2021 NBA draft they come or 2020 and 2021 both of those drafts completely fucked themselves over but jonica amygia's hooping that's amazing to see and like he's like a glimmer of hope in life and he's honestly him and step curry have been like carrying the fans entertainment excitement of the season but yeah man like every team goes through it how they make certain errors and

shit like that and now we're just seeing them suffer through it it is what it is r api anything else you talk about before we get out of here before we transition tic-tac time uh man honestly no i think we can get straight to it the crown eaters are fiend they drill it right now all right man we recorded tic-tok time yesterday since we recorded after the deadline today we wanted to make sure we had enough time so we're going to push you guys back into the time machine if there's any takes that seem weird now because the deadline happened we didn't know we'll see you guys yesterday welcome to tictock time as always we're going to start with the draft and today you know the all-star teams got announced recently as well as the two new reserves with trey young and scotty barnes so I'm assuming there's not going to be any more injury alternatives, so I think we're safe to do a draft with only NBA players who made the All-Star game this year. Let's go.

You're ready? I'm ready. I have been born ready for this. I'm on a run right now. I haven't sold a draft in a minute. Check my history. The most recent sale was Donovan on the last week's live stream, tune in Monday's 8 p.m. Eastern Time when we did a draft with around LeBron James.

Donovan had a famous sell, so we'll see if you can redeem himself right now. Hey, man. Listen, I could only do so much. You win some, you lose some When you lay your head down on that pillow No, I gave you everything I had All right Low key

The third spot is where you want to be this draft So you're in prime position to redeem yourself Come on I'm in hell right now But let's roll I think I'd rather be too I mean this is the last I don't want the number one pick in this draft

Like the top three players Are all just as good as each other Let's go Yeah you got the number one pick Say a pick man No genuinely I don't want this shit Like want to trade I'll trade with you so fast

slot me $5 and I'll consider it I go fuck yourself anyway expectations on the line let's draft NBA lineups with only 2024 NBA All-Stars first pick

just give me Nicole Yokic keep it simple makes sense nice fair we're going chalk to start easy again and this is everybody healthy correct

yeah yeah okay well you can pick like a beating Randall okay cool yeah And I'll be fine. So with that being said, for the, with the second pick, go ahead and give me Yonestant Kumpo. Over Joel and Bid, okay.

Yeah. All right. That's cool. So that leaves me with, I'll take Joelle and Bid with my first pick. And then I'll double up and give me Luca Dantzich. Only one ball. Too many scores. It'll never work.

That pick roll is going to be crazy. Isaac will find a way to hate It doesn't matter Got to The name of the draft game Yeah That's hilarious Where we're going nextimo

Yeah So next I'm going to go ahead And take Actually I don't have to do this So Next

Go ahead and give me Steph Curry Oh I was gonna go Completely other route But I realized I didn't have to do it Isaac's gonna double

up here And it's gonna piss me off Give me LeBron James and Shea Gildes Alexander Okay That's nice

That's nice That's nice That's nice You were gonna go Gotcha Gotcha I think I was gonna go I thought

I thought you Was like a Lebron to four Yokach and five I'm good I know where he was gonna go And I'm gonna go that way Give me Kauai Leonard Oh

Yeah Oh Okay Yeah Well I relent someone Fall here So Yeah

so I'm gonna do some well should I I see not it doesn't it doesn't fit anymore but give me give me Kevin Durant okay at the three and then I haven't

beaten my five and then you know what at my two I really need some defense and some scoring give me Paul George at the two okay

you thought we were going to pick KD you're surprised you're not him drop No, I, I thought that you were going to go, Tyrese at the point, Shea at the two. Oh, okay, no, I'm good. I'm good on that. That's not bad. That's not bad.

All right. So at my five, give me Anthony Davis. Listen, AD and Janus, not a lot of shooting in your front court. Listen, I have Kawhi and Steph Curry. That's all I need. All right, who I want to go with? At my, can you put Yokesh in my five? You haven't met the four right now?

And then LeBron's going to be my fourth. So I got two spots left. You know what? This might be really, really easy, actually. Yeah. Okay. So give me Jason Tatum at the three, Devin Booker at the two.

That's nice. Tatum and Booker. You can't go wrong. I'm just straight bucket getters every position. And then the best passers in the world at four and five. Okay, I like that. That's not that bad. That's not that bad at all.

Uh, not that bad. Yeah, yeah, like you're doing me a favor of complimenting it. Yeah, exactly. It's all right. I'm going to go ahead and give you. I'm going to go ahead and one up you. Give me someone who's been on an absolute heater, Donovan Mitchell. Oh, okay. Booker better, but I respect it. Yeah, not the season, buddy. It's an argument. It's an argument. Let's, hmm. All right. So I'm trying to figure out what I want to do. Paul George, KD, and B, interesting. I know. It's a weird, it's a weird fit. It's a whole lot of buckets. But what I'm, and here's what I'm going to do.

We're going to slide everybody. No, we're going to slide everybody down. Can we put KD at the four, Paul George at the three, and then my last pick would be Anthony Edwards at my two. Okay. Interesting. Nice. It's a popular pick.

You're playing to the comments with that one? Yeah, exactly. Popular pick, but isn't the best one? I was hoping Moe was going to take his king, Anthony Edwards, and I was going to be left with D. Mitch, but it just didn't fall like that. Well, I'm not going with that, though. Mo didn't get Shea or Anthony Edwards? Fake fan.

He's thirsty for both of them. He's down bad. Exactly. Listen, man, the cyborg, Kauai Leonard has been speaking to me. So I got a- Yeah, but you don't think he's as hot as you do think Shay and Ant-Man are. So I know you're down bad. I don't think any of these players are hot. What are you talking about right now?

The word is. It's aura. It's different. You hide the, hide the true feelings through the word aura? I'm not hiding shit. All right.

So my team, Sheigildas Alexander, Devin Booker, Jason Tatum, LeBron James, Nicola Yokic. Fire. Nice.

Okay. My team is Steph Curry, Donovan Mitchell, Kauai, Janus, and AD. My defense is fucking nuts. In the front court,

you're backwards, getting fried but it's okay yeah fried they're crazy i know space yeah all right my team i have luca at the point uh anthony edwards at the two paul george at the three katie at the four joel and b8 at the five i like that you have your team's really good it's just straight bucket getters that it's like i don't know lucca has to play the role and that's that's that's that's how he plays it's okay does you want to do that look i might hate that you might i'm picking all-stars to play in an all-star game we're getting buckets We're running the score up to 200.

That is true. Ain't nobody playing defense. That is true. Yeah. Well, those are our teams. Hard to parse who has the best team when it's all all-stars. This is a little more difficult. So I don't know.

I don't know who on that one. Who's the fucking say? It's so. Okay. What team do you guys think would be the most fun to play with on 2K? Not most because a lack of spacing. Probably yours. Probably Donovan's probably most fun for 2K.

I don't know, I wouldn't eliminate mine so fast because I have Stefan Yannis on my team and those are, that's the ultimate, that, what more space do you want from that? I mean, yeah, but you have two noncheting bigs. That's going to be a five out spacing is how you win in 2K. It's how you have the most fun. Yeah, you could. You got a real 2K are like me. I find my ways.

Double post. Yeah. All right. That's the end of that game. The next game we're going to play, we're going to do a sort of guessing. game. That's kind of like a variation 20 questions. I've seen a lot of people do this on TikTok recently. And how it's going to work is two of us are going to go head to head against each other. And we're each going to have a player in mind. You guys are going to see it on

screen, but we're not going to know each other's player. So we have to see who can get you to this player first. Okay. So that'd be interesting. We'll do a couple games of it so we can all go. I guess first we can do like me versus Moe, then Donna versus Mo like cycle through a little bit. Yeah. Let's let's do that. Okay. So you have a good. Yeah. We'll think of a player. Let's only do current to make it simple. Me and you go first. And yeah, we'll see who can guess the other person's player first.

All right, cool. Do you have a player in mine? Yes, I have a player in mine already. Okay, let me pull up like Bassel reference so I can Google stuff real quick. Okay. Chat?

I'm not chat said chat. This is not a live stream. The players are on the screen now. I got to edit it in post after I know who it is. All right, so let's see who can guess each other's mystery NBA player first. Is your player a point guard? No, he's not a point guard.

Is your player in the Eastern Conference? Yes. Is your player a two guard? Yeah, I guess. He's a wing. Is your player over 6'5? No. Okay, so is your player an All-Star?

No. Is your player an All-Star? Hell no. Oh, Jesus, Christ. Is your player... Did you pick Killian Hayes? damn it what the fuck he got him

I should have said hell no god damn it I should have said hell no that's what sold it that's what sold it that's what sold it that's what I can't be beat you said you said hell no

and I was thinking either Killian Hayes or the Nassas one fuck with the bull my player was Quentin Grimes Quentin Grimes oh yeah I would have never guessed that he's on the block bro

oh my gosh let's do this like king of the hill style Now, I go away with Donovan and see who you can knock me off. Yeah. Okay, let me think of another player real quick. Okay, I got one. All right, I got mine. All right.

Go ahead. All right. Is your player, does your player play in the Western Conference? Yes, he does. There's your player playing in the Western Conference. He does. Is your player a front-co player? Y'all players on the same teams.

Imagine. Is your player a front-court player? Uh Every time I hear that Some reason I steal my brain It's fried I'm like okay back court One and two

Front court Listen man We're crown eaters Okay You understand Has your player made an all-star team before No Has your player

Made an all-star team before He has not Okay I got your player But I'm gonna shut up Is your player A good defender Um

Yeah he's fine Okay He's not for it okay um is your player is your player a shooter not a shooter shooter shooter but he can shoot okay all right there's moments you know is is your player a good passer no no not not not really not okay is your player is your player is your player Norman Powell no it's not sounds like you're gonna close and your does your does your player average around like 15 points a game or more?

I think less. Okay. These are weird questions. I have no idea where we're going. Is your player under 6.5? No. Is your player, is your player under 6.5? Over.

Ooh, this is getting tough. Do we have the same player? Does your player play in Los Angeles? Yes. Oh my God. You guys might have, they might be on the same team. Holy shit. All right.

Did your player play in the Pacific Division? Yes. Is your player a Laker? No. Is your player? I was close to pal. I knew I was close to pal. Is your player a clipper?

No. Oh, my goodness, okay, okay. So he's a, your player is a clipper, and he's above six, five. He can't pass. He can't defend. He's right there, Isaac. He's right there.

Is your player Daniel Russell? No, it's my turn. You're going to take turns. Marcus Morris isn't there anymore Oh, I'm drawing blanks Is your player PJ Tucker? It is not Oh my God

Is your player D'Angelo Russell? He is not Is your player Visa Zubats? It is No one's beating me in this game Who's yours?

Ruy Hashimura Okay Yeah I'm for sure For a while I was like we're both going to have Zubosh. This is crazy.

That would have been the funniest shit ever, bro. Okay, next thing we're going to do, we're going to keep it unsurious. I'm going to name an NBA player combined with another NBA player's skill. And you guys got to tell me which player would be better. So we're matching up players. Fictional goofiness? This is our specialty. Precisely.

Yeah, look at this picture. LeBron looks just like Eric Bledsoiler. That's crazy. Is that LeBron Arthanos? Good God. fate of the world is in his hand that's David Batista I just imagine that shit

you love WWE yes dude I was a WWE kid I was thinking Drax I forget he's in WWE bro that's really

he's most fans from WWW it's hilarious I know and I know I just never got into it so I'm just like the guy from the Marvel movie all right so real simple

which NBA player would be better De Mard de Rosen with John Morant Demard de Rosen with John Morant's bounce or Jalen Brunson with Michael Porter Jr.'s' height. Jalen Brunson with MPJ height is literally just like KD and that's jump

and DeMard Roses is prime Demard de Rosen. That is true. Yeah, no, it really is Jaylen Brunson. Like he's, at least like right now, you have the All Star that can grow seven inches or just somebody who could jump high. Yeah.

I'm taking Jaylen Brunson. Maybe in MPJ's frame, that's like, yeah, KD is like putting it lightly. Like, it's just KD if you were like also crafty as hell and also just like strong as shit for your height. If you gave Jalen Brunson MPJ's height, you are building the player that everybody thought MPJ was going to be coming out before his back surgeries. So we're just witnessing like tapped potential. Yeah, it's the greatest score should be. Yeah. It's the greatest score of all time.

What are we talking about right now? It's Bull Bull if he enjoyed the sport. Damn, Bowl, if he wasn't obsessed with fashion. Yeah, if he didn't want to be Ken Carson. All right,

next up, PJ Tucker with Zion's athleticism or Thanassus with, oh, you wrote that down wrong, or Tenasis with Yokitch is passing. Denazis with Yokich's passing would actually make him

a really productive NBA player. Would it? Yeah, that might just make him boring. D. Who is Zion with PJ Tucker? This is tough. This is tough.

I think it's probably the Nassus, which is nasty to say. What? I mean, the Nassiz is probably, if you gave him the best passer in the league's passing, he's at least useful for something. PJ Tucker just be running around. Like, you'd just be able to run around, he just be able to run around, brolic and shit knocking people over, you'd be defending his ass off. Yeah.

he's a difference he he'll be more effective but to be on change down blocking people yeah that's true but then he just be Dennis Rodman he would be Dennis that's the that's the right answer right there that's a good point you you change my mind you change my let's go no j Tucker for the win I think no you got swindled it's yoke's passing on to the kuba brothers win enough PJ Tucker for the win next up chet hongren with stephen adam strength or Jalen Brown with Kyrie Handels. It's Chad Holmgren. It's fair.

Stephen Adams is on record being like the strongest guy in the NBA. If you gave the 7-4 guy, strongest guy in the NBA vibes, and he can shoot and he could dribble and do all this stuff that he does, he's, he's him. Like he's, that's Joe L.N. B., you know what I'm saying? Like that's just be the God war on the court. That's what that is. No, yeah, there's no way to, you can't guard that.

You can't defend that. It's done for you. run into a screen by him but chet you're going to break your neck counterpoint jalen with an elite handle might just be t-mac and i'm telling you i'm telling you chet with his skill set being able to be the strongest player in the NBA probably better probably yeah so will be top 10 no disrespect to t-mac white will no disrespect the t-mac but Yeah, even with Donovan Even with

Kyrie Irving's handles He wouldn't be better than Donovan Mitchell So it's like What are you talking about here? Word? Yeah, he wouldn't be Tough All right

Caucasian War Chamberlain That's actually a crazy statement Jalen with Kyrie handles Is better than Donovan Mitchell He'd be insane Aw But I see why you say that Maybe it wouldn't be as obvious as we're acting

He'd have the whole other side of the Florida operate with like he can you'll be able to go left you know what I'm saying so does he just look like Anthony Edwards then is that what you're telling me uh me I don't know I think I might look at Michael Jordan right next up so bonus with Gobert's defense or PG with Luca passing PG with Luca passing is ridiculous it's great Bears defense is also like that's game changing for Sabonis' game. With 1912 and 10, or 1912, with 1912 and 8 on the offense side like Tobonis has? He still can't fucking shoot though.

True. Listen, one of these dudes currently constructed has been labeled to go by the younger generation and has a theme song of his own. So if you give him Luca passing, he goes into like the Avatar State next level, level of player. Like, Paul George probably wins this. Is Paul George or Luca passing? passing LeBron James.

That might be minus a swag. He doesn't, he doesn't move like that, but that's a good architect. Probably, though. He's probably, he's probably,

he's probably, he's probably, he's probably LeBron. Low key, he would just be Luca Donchish. Okay, no, that's,

he would just be Luca. No, he would not. A better defense. Yeah. PG's the right answer, for sure. It is.

So bonus, listen, upgrade though, you'd be useful in the playoff. There we go Something All it takes is

DPOI defense Shout out some bonus Next up DeAndre Aton With Jimmy Butler's mindset Or Ben Simmons With McHale Bridges His health

Deondre Aiden with Jimmy Buller's mindset Is literally just David Robinson bro That's what it is Fucking Patrick Ewing Fex

One of the greatest Bigs ever If Gianjadayton wanted it better than everybody else He would conquer the sports He would be Bill Russell

He wouldn't let Snow stop him from getting to a game Oh my goodness This is crazy Because both of these guys would be like Top 20 all time If they had these skills If Ben Simmons played every game in his life He was already all NBA

He would be Magic Johnson I don't think you understand Jimmy Buller has unlimited dog If DeAndre had a little bit of dog He would be an all-star Yeah, nah He would have made it out of ice going Just to play in a regular season game

He would have done Facts He would have called a helicopter On top of his fucking household Bro, he would have made it to the game No matter what If we had this version of Aden They'd have to implement rules

Like when they did Kareem in college Back in the day where you can't dunk That would They would have to change the game For this dude By the way 28 and 15 in his sleep The conversation to change quickly.

Exactly. Stay woke. Okay, next one. Desmond Bain with Bull Bulls wingspan or Christos for Zingis with Dierrin Fox Speed. Oh, my goodness. It's Desmond Bain. Desmond Bain has a negative wingspan right now. If you gave, if you gave him eight feet of, of arms, bro.

Imagine his lap boxing. He'd be a guardable, He's outside the room Around the corner To He'd be like this big inflatables I have for the car dealerships That's great

I don't even He wouldn't even know what to do With that kind of space He might just get hurt again But to be honest with you I wouldn't want him to have that at all He'd still be injury prone He'd just be

He'd just get injured faster Like that's really just it I have to get Desmond Bain might average like six of steals a game Six steals and seven blocks You're damn right about that And still average 25, five and five Easily give me Desmond Bain Yeah, easy

We respect with Desmond Bain over here He's a 2K glitch for sure It's literally a glitch He's one of the 2K15 park hacks Like that's what it is So would KP KP would be insane He would just be fucking whemby

For faster Well these are hilarious I love this Yeah. And that's the end of that segment. Next thing we're going to do. Let's play a little guessing game. Well, I think you have some jersey sales for us to guess.

Another guessing game? Another one. Yes, I do. We got some jerseys. The NBA a couple weeks ago released their top selling jerseys over the last, over the course of the season so far. And I want to see if you guys can guess the top selling jerseys of this season. Okay.

It's top 10? yeah well really it's top 15 but we'll see how far you guys can go well let's just do the top 10 we can't fit top 15 and do TikTok okay we can do 15 no to 10 I'm meant to say 10 I heard you and I was like I don't know why said 15

brain froze he said bet no oh for real nah are you ready I'm ready I'm ready to get some jerseys Donovan let's be methodical

Let's get the easy ones out of the way Okay LeBron James on this list Yes he is but we're on this list is he Okay no we can't do that We would be here for 45 minutes So you just want to name him Yes

Okay we got to name him Yeah Okay go ahead Yeah The Bronz is Easy Steph Curry Steph Curry's on this list Okay

Luca Luca's on this list Yannis Where's Luca Where's Luca? Luca Oh okay Number six

Okay I would have thought Luca would be top five No I'm not fuck with him No is Victor women Yama on this list Is he here early With that French push

Yes he is on this list Top five Biggest top four Yeah Oh my Yeah Wow The European

The European motherfuckers Got motion That's crazy That's crazy. Number two isn't there. Who's number two? Is Kevin Durant number two? There ain't no way.

Ain't no way. Can we get Yannis, though? Yes. Yonis is on this list. Got you. Okay, there we go. Katie's number eight. Yonis is five.

Who could be number two? Really? This is not that shocking, honestly. We're going to be shocked by two? You know what? I'm going to take a swing because a lot of the time there's a lot of like weird stuff

that's happened. Give me the young people's champ. Give me lamella ball. Ooh, no. Sadly, you are outside of the top 10. Two is not shocking, though. Two is not shocking. It should be a home run.

Oh, wait. There's, was it? There's already three Europeans in top six. Is Nicolioch up there? No. No, he's not up there, bro. Sorry, he's outside of the top 10. Sorry.

Joelle Embed, is he two? Oh, no, he is not too. Sorry, sir, you are correct. Damn. No, you are incorrect. Is Anthony Edwards up there? Sorry, sir. Anthony Edwards is not sniffing this.

Oh, my God. Who is number two? You guys are going to slap the shit out of yourselves after this, bro. Who am I forgetting? Mostly somebody fucking obvious. Yeah. Can I get Jason Tatum? There we go.

Oh, my goodness. Number two. The Celtic push is crazy, bro. Yeah, yeah. They go to war over their mind. I got us. Oh, Anthony Davis knows me up there. L.A. connection.

sadly AD is not oh my god okay we got seven nine and ten they don't like him like that they don't like him like that seven devil Booker yes

you're right about David Booker Kauai Lerner two spots left no sadly no Kauai Lerge no Paul George bro it is raining hard as shit can y'all hear that on the mic I can't hear anything

people on the bottom I'm hearing this okay we got two spots left where we go this is torrential down Downboard Jesus think about some stars let's think about some you guys would be shocked when it comes to we're gonna be shop by last two yeah Tyrese Halliburton no Donovan Mitchell no Jimmy Butler you're in the same range though no not Jee B I'm in the same range yes Tyrese number nine wow okay so we're going straight Markets folks are rather rock I don't know no no not Jalen Brown

Paul George, Clay Thompson, Drayvon Green. I guess is Clay Thompson, who rockin at this year? No. I don't know. The Warriors fans move like the mafia. They're crazy. Austin Reese. No, no, no, no.

That would be disgusting. Damien Lewis. Yes, there we go. Always wish he was an all-star, yeah. Yep, there we go. There we go. He's 11. J. Deerrin.

Okay. Yeah, Jahl 11 with playing nine games. He is nuts, bro. The fact that time. Rees sells more than Embedith is crazy though. He was also like really high up there in a Tyrese isn't on there, okay. I was thinking Halliburton.

Yeah, Maximine number nine is crazy. Over and beat is nuts, but I guess Rising Star folks are like, oh my God, this dude is amazing, I guess. Yeah, the youth fucks with him. He's American, you know that he gets a boost for that. He's American too. He's playing for Team USA. You forget?

Oh yeah, all right, whatever. All right, next thing we're going to do Our tier list Let's talk about basketball Let's get a little more serious, you know Okay This time we're going to put the best NBA scores Into a tier list

Not the best, but an assortment of NBA scores Of a variety of levels We're going to put into a tier list Okay, let's do it I'm very curious to see I feel like this is going to be a very divisive tier list Yeah This is going to come down to bag

versus no bag and you guys are going to be on the wrong side of is he a good score because y'all don't respect bags you guys aren't armed bag people you're not I respect bags I just respect

bagless players too that can put that ball in the bucket in the ugliest way as possible you don't respect bags we've had multiple conversations I know you I'm an equal opportunity

bucket respecter ugly or pretty oh my kid I put it that way I don't believe so let's put let's put these NBA scores into a tier list. First off, Joel and Bede.

S tier. This dude just put up the greatest scoring season we've ever seen. He's unhealthy now, but still, what he did, cemented in history. Yep. R.P. to the meniscus. R.P. the 76ers hopes and dreams. Next up, Jalen Brunson. Probably 80. I want to put him in, yeah. I might want to put him in A because there's his game, his offensive game is It's literally scoreless or seamless. There's no way you can stop him. You can't stop him from getting to the room because he's going to put his chest into you, force his way and he's going to dance on you, step back.

He can't hit you with everything, bro. It's honestly crazy how good he is in isolation and with that height and with that athleticism. The way he can get it done with pure craft is incredible. Exactly. The only way you can stop him is if LeBron decides to turn back the clock and go try hard mode on him in the last few others. That's the only way. All right. Next up, Luca Donchich.

Estier. He scored 73 in the game. Like, you got it. You're fine. And he had eight assists. He's just a god. Estir. Yeah, no, there's no way you could stop that.

Anthony Edwards. Is he on the same level as Jalen Brunson? Definitely. I would say, yeah, because he's just hard to stop. But he's overrated as a mid-rate shooter. He's one of the worst mid-rate shooters in the entire end. NBA so yeah and that shows so it's hard but I mean he's less efficient than Jalen this year he's still a solid 27 point per game score on these as the blown good score on ball on that

offense having to play around two bigs you know the space he's better because cats a good shooter but it's still a very clunky offense he'd be better if he had better spacing wait has he ever scored 27 in this season he's out of 26 right now I think right 25.9. Okay. My bad. I was like, damn, 27. I'm like, whoa, I guess I'm off.

Yeah. Yeah, you did. I was like, well, I made to say 26. Gotcha. Yeah, he's a 26. Point four game score is still less efficient, but not the best situation. I think I'm cool with him again. All right.

As a score, sure. If we're talking about offense this player, slightly different conversation, but that's fine. Next up, Jamal Murray. Ooh. It depends on what type of month. What time of the month it is, bro. And how good of a team you're playing. Yeah.

If it's in May, June, maybe even April. S. Well, regular season, he's like a B. Yeah, you're playing the Pistons on a random February day. B, you're playing above 500 team. S plus, he becomes a god. Yeah, playing. I got to put him in the team.

Yeah, I think of B, I guess. B, but we know he has a ceiling of A when the playoffs come around. He could consistently be A if you really wanted to, but I understand it. He's chilling. Carl Anthony Towns Ah C C seems fair

I mean As a straight As a straight As a straight score Like if we're just talking about getting Getting like points And like just putting the ball in the basket He should be and be

Right Yeah He's a But he's not during the playoffs though Yeah But even then He has a very rare combination of shooting

ability to put the ball on the ground and finish the room with that size, he's got to be B. But I will say, though, out of everybody here, he does have the lowest floor as a score. Yeah. And so, like, we probably should put him in C just because of that.

Because even whenever Jamal Murray is playing against, like you said, the Pistons on a random Tuesday, he's still going to be okay. But we've seen Kat put up some tour date type numbers. But the floor is why he's B. If he was always at the ceiling or otherwise, he'd be, you know, the ceiling is like 60 points. So, like, I think that.

That's why he's B not A. Sealing a 60 points. What are you getting benched against the points? Exactly. For taking the most ill-advised shots. I think it's C because of those reasons, but I'm not mad at B at all. I feel like it'd be a crucified if we put Cat and C. I mean, if we're looking at the basketball reference page, yeah, he should be in B.

But like, I feel like sometimes whenever you watch the games, it just feels a little bit different. Granted, now he's playing power forward now. He's best scoring as a center. when you can sprint pass all the slow-footed centers. Remember last year he dropped 60 on Yakopo's slow-ass? I forgot. I forgot about that. He was dusting Yakopo off the dribble every play.

It was crazy. Give him B. Give him B. Sure. Yeah, let's do it. Let's now criticize the fuck out of cat. But if we're just doing scoreless, I mean, scoring tierless, got to give it to him. Yeah.

That's fair. Clay Thompson. Man. Oh, my God. I don't want to do it. It feels like, it feels like I'm kicking somebody whenever they're down. But right now, hey, man, Clay has to be in D. He has to be in D. Yeah.

And I don't want to do it because, again, like, it's gotten to the point where now I feel bad for him. But because I feel bad for him because of how bad he's playing, we have to put him in D. Yeah, not much else needs to be said. All right, no, he's a D, man. He's getting bench for GCA characters. It's unexplainable. Nicole Yokic. S tier.

S tier. Interesting. You got it. He doesn't even try for real and he's an S tier. He rolls out of bed. Exactly. He rolls out of bed and drops 25 in his sleep. It doesn't matter if you have AD, go bare, and B, like all the best centers who are

supposed to be locked down artists, they're getting 30 and he's going to do it in the most nonchalant way possible. Like his bag, his non-bag bag, bag, is the. deepest we've ever seen. He averaged 30 last year in the playoffs against Anthony Davis, the best big man defender in the world. The sons dared him to be a score and didn't let anybody else get open. He dropped 40 on them in the playoffs.

He clearly has an S-Cheers healing. The second that you let him within five feet of the basket, you're done. There's no stopping him. The best thing that you have to do is probably tase him. But that's not allowed in there. So you're cooked. Yeah. Listen, if a salt's on the table, you can lock them up.

I'll say that. Opposing teams? Let me know. Doc Rivers is in the final game in the finals. He's going to write in the whiteboard. Battery. The NASIS is going to get ready. Facts.

Take on for the team. Next up. Zach Levine. Dang. We got to put him in C. Because there's nights. He's been hurt this year. I know.

But there's nights where Zach Levine is like, oh my God. this guy is crazy and then there's other guys we're like yo this guy's crazy why is he shooting this he his inconsistency makes him at sea with the potential of being in b tier but see it's hard because last year he had a slow start but still ended up averaging 24 points per game with 60% true shooting that's at least b but this year he's actively protesting wanting to get traded all year quite quitting on his job so i don't know how to parse that i think middleman i think C is definitely fair for this season because he has been hurt, hasn't been himself,

a whole lot of trade rumors going on, C is fair. Okay, he has that potential. Until he gets on a team he wants to play for and he's trying again. Yeah, he's definitely, he should definitely be B tier though. Yeah. As soon as he likes his job, backup to be. Yeah. Next up, Kauai Leonard.

This is hard. This is hard. It really is because I want to put him in this. Yeah. I do the thing is he's not going to put up like generational numbers. in terms of like counting stats but in terms of his efficiency and getting that shit done

he probably deserves to be an S but I feel more what he's not going to put those crazy numbers until the playoffs come around and he really tries and then he's gonna hang 35 on you every night yeah like normal means like A

but then I have flashbacks to 2019 this motherfucker's S and also this season he's S this is crazy this year bro brother his efficiency is nuts 5 years ago That's like three knee surgery ago.

That's crazy. Like it's a different heart. Okay, Scratch, 2019. Did you see what he did last year in those two games versus Phoenix? Differ, man. I did. Yeah. See, better flashback.

I'll put him in A though with the ceiling. It's the same thing as Zach Levine where we know that he like has this upper ceiling that he can reach. But a majority of the time, because he's not going to score, two of the guys in S-tier scored 70. Kauai's not doing that. So I'll just put him in A. Okay, that's fine.

Yeah, the volume isn't quite there until the playoffs come. But then again, Yokic is kind of the same thing. I mean, Yokic is actually scoring 52. Like, you're just not going to, you're just not going to get that from Kauai all the time. He's going to give you the most robotic, efficient, 32 points per game you've ever seen in your life. That's true. All right, that's fair. All right, well, last end of our cheer list.

Are we feeling good about this? Yeah, I feel good about this. Have we done it? Have we done it? Have we done it again? Again. Perfection. We never make mistakes.

We are perfect at all times. How do we keep doing this, man? How do we keep doing this? I don't understand. We're too good. No! What the hell? Liar.

We did it for the first time. Facts. All right, next thing we're going to do. Let's stay on the topic of Kauai Leonard. Let's talk about the Clippers some more. Specifically, let's talk about the Clippers versus some other teams and talk about who would win in the playoff series. Because they're the hottest team in the NBA right now.

Let's let's take a gauge of how hot we think they are and how much faith we have in them come playoff time. All right. Let's do it. Real simple. I'm going to name two NBA teams. You let me know which one you would think would win in the playoff series. First off, the Clippers versus the Timberwolves. Oh, man.

this is a Timberwolves nightmare, bro. I'm going with the clippers. I'm easily going with the clippers. This might be a five-game series. The best wing... Five games. Listen, Jaddy McDaniels, you're going to do a great job against Kauai. After that, their best wing defender is Kyle Anderson,

who is the worst offensive player on their team. They are cooked if they get this matchup. Bro. Kyle Anderson doing... Or Jada McDaniels doing a good job on Kauai looks like 30 points on 60% field goals. Max. Great job, bro. Do you have two bigs to attack in space with, oh, James Hardin, let pick and roll? So much primitive talent.

I don't see how the Timberwolves can do it. I don't, listen, I don't think they can do it either. This is going to be a short series. And then once again, we're going to have the Timberwolves in the all season talking about, oh, we push these guys to five. That was a massive accomplishment. You guys talking about Kauai, PG, and Hardin. Fuck all that.

Terrence, man, this is your time to shine. Expose him. All right PTSD All right next up The Denver Nuggets Ooh Listen

This might be the Western Conference Finals This is going to be Obviously Assuming standings But this is going to be The Western Conference Finals Probably

And I think I'm going to take The Denver Nuggets I just It's hard It's hard as hell I just I'm happy we realize that it's crazy but I look at one side

and one side has a two-time MVP seven foot just potato strong guy and the other side has Zubach and the other side has Zubach and that's going to be the difference so I'm going to take the minute but at the same time that side that has Zubach also has a cyborg two-time finals MVP and Kauai Leonard. So we got Aaron Gordon.

That's not, you know, you can, one of the better players to defend Kauai. There's not nothing. Yeah, there's not nothing. I'm definitely, I think I'm gonna. Jamal Morrie can lock in we needed. I, I, I like the Nuggets ability to stop the clipper strength more than I do vice versa. Exactly. What?

Daniel Tice doesn't move you? They ain't make that move for no reason. Daniel Tyson has never bruisedernum after a game and a half. All right. What about plumbed? dog millionaire. What about him? You know, move you? They got bodies to prepare. They should have kept Isaiah Hartinstein.

They let him go for no reason. That is insane fumble. Hardinstein. But yeah. It's my guy. We're going nuggets. It's a, it's a seven game series, but the nuggets are winning. Yeah. All right. Next up, the O KC Thunder. O KC. Oh, O KCC's losing this series for sure. Sorry, man.

This is season savvy veteranship that you're facing right now. If Josh Giddy is still on the team, give me the Clippers. If they make a move and Josh Giddy isn't starting, I think the Thunder have a real chance. I agree. But as currently constructed,

that man is still on the roster. So I'm gonna go with the Clippers. I'm gonna go with the Clippers. Listen, the trade deadlines tomorrow. He might not be there. I hope not. We'll see. Josh Giddy on.

Josh Giddy off. It don't matter. Kauai Leonard is annihilating you. I'm sorry. Yeah, I don't know. It's been a fantastic season, though, Casey. that's so patronizing

I know good game y'all all all right next up the Boston Celtics oh this is hard this is hard I have been going back and forth

in my mind for about three weeks now because I'm we talked about I'm this close to jumping off the Celtics bandwagon but I think Boston still gets it done

it's gonna jump it off be a man What do you talk about this close? Jump off, man. I'll jump off with you. They're just so talented. Listen, it's going to be a seven-game series

that comes down to a buzzer-beater, but, like, I don't, I just still trust Boston and their top six rather than the Clippers top six. I think the five-out space in the Celtics can have to draw Zubach out,

plus the wealth of primitive defenders they have. It's just a little bit more equipped for this matchup than vice versa where Hardin's been playing better defensively, but he's going to have to really lock in. Russell Westbrook, going to have to really lock.

in, you know, and meanwhile, I don't have to worry about Derek White or Drew Holiday locking in defensively. But you do have to worry about Jason Tatum late game decision making. And also, you know what I talk about worrying about playoff games, James Hardin and Paul George? Listen, it's not about James Hardin, Paul George. When you have Kawhi the best player by a sizable amount in the playoffs? I'm rolling with that.

I mean, Jason Tatum's not much worse. No one's taking Jason Tatum over Kawhi. Yeah, he's not, he's not Kawai. You do have to worry. You do have to worry about if the three-point shots are going to fall. But at the same time, I'd rather worry about that than worry about three players in the Clippers rotation with P.G. Hardin and Wessberg. So I'll take Boston.

Yeah, and get Zubach is getting stretched out with the five-out spacing. It's going to be tough. Yeah. PJ Tucker suit up. We need you. Exactly. PJ Tucker, Terrence Mann, where you at? Norman Powell, where you at? We need you. On the bench. On the bench. That's where they're at. For Norman Powell to come in and lock up Christos Porzingis? Save us, Norman.

Get out of it. All right. Next up. The Milwaukee Bucks. They're killing them. Whatever side is. Whatever team doesn't have Doc Rivers, bro. Yonis can do whatever he wants because he's going to get whatever he wants regardless, right?

It doesn't matter. But everybody else on the team, you're getting cooked. I would take the clippers. I would take the clippers in a. in like a hard five easy six games type of thing they're gonna start Malik Beasley who's Malik Beas the guarding who's Danny Lila guarding that's the that's the question no one game garden I think they can win a lot of matchups without even though their defense is lacking but this specific matchup where they have this many all ball

creators that's gonna be hard for the bucks to hide that yeah the only people on the court that dame and Beasie have a chance of guarding is Tailu they can't stop shit Exactly. And I don't even, I really don't care about the players. One side has Tai Lu as their coach. The other one has Doc Rivers. The bucks could be up three one and up 20 in the fourth quarter and I would put a mortgage down on the Clippers winning the series. That's such a nuclear bomb versus coughing baby meme. Like that's hilarious disparity between coaches. I mean, well that's the end of that. I think we have one more video left before we get out of here. This time, another thing very basketball oriented naturally as a basketball show I'm going to name an NBA team you guys to tell me who you think has been their best player

this year okay can be debatable a lot of teams is real easy to see who's the one option who's their all-star but I got six teams here where it's not easy at all so prove it to me first off the Sacramento Kings you lied this is easy

give me Darren Fox all day every day he's the all-star He's the guy. It's hard to ignore Sabonis. This year, this year, Deera Fox. If you asked me a month and a half ago, I would have said easily Fox, Fox had a really rough January

while Sabonis is thriving, putting up as good of numbers as we've ever seen from him. It's getting kind of close, but I'll probably agree Fox just for playoff circumstances. We know he'll be more valuable. It's so hard to replace the value that Sabonis brings,

and I think you might have an easier chance finding a guard they can do Deerrin Fox type things but at the end of the day Deeran Fox is so invaluable I might lean his way yeah and you just you have defensive issues come play out of time with the bonus that I don't think that Deer and Fox really brings

any type of a big negative in that way facts he has no barriers exactly let's go Fox all right next up we have the Phoenix Suns ooh this is a real combo here this is this is extremely

hard but I think I'm going to go with Kevin Durant only because he played a majority of those games of the games this year with nobody else on his squad. And he and they were, you know, passable or as, as good as you could think that a roster of Kevin Durant and a bunch of guys could be. So I think I'll give Katie the nod for that. 100%. Even if you think Devin Booker passed him up, what Katie's managed to do this year with such a variety of players around him just holding it down for the team no matter what, I think he deserves a respect, even in his advanced age. Yeah, I agree.

Which is a very polite way of saying he's old as fuck. Yeah, advantagey, KG. Old as fuck. Coming off of the Achilles thing from a couple years ago, you're 100% right. But I will say. I think I'm only KD. I will say, though. One more if you play off run and KD might just be a regular season merchant.

And that's completely okay. He stole some of our goats and our hearts. But not mine. Not me, though. Not my goat. No mind. someone nobody here all right next up

the pelicans this is Brandon Ingram oh my goodness it should be it should be Zion but I think it's Brandon Ingram this year I think if you're just looking at paper

you could say Brandon Ingram but I think with the impact that Zion has in terms of just his gravity people just having to throw multiple bodies at him in the playmaking lanes that he creates,

I'm a lean Zion. Yeah, I'm going to still go Zion. Zion's defense is very lack closer. That disappoints me more than the lack of shooting. That disappoints me more than the scoring drop off this year. So I'll go Ingram, but he's also not a good defender, and he's not a great defender.

He really needs a ball in his hands. I don't think he's as scalable as you'd like him to be as a wing. Brandon Ingram doesn't do enough stuff great for me to give him the knot over Zion, even though Zion doesn't really deserve it. Damn. And that right there is exactly why. He just doesn't deserve it.

I just, I can't, I, the expectations coming into this year and what I thought that Zion could be capable of and the fact that like, if you are looking at him and watching him play for a majority of the year, you feel a little bit disappointed where it feels like Ingram is kind of at the level that you think he is. Looking at them this season,

you're like, okay, I'll take Brandon Ingram, it's fine. Like, I think, I do this. This is Herr Jones team. Oh, my God. Okay. Good job. listen listen the second you tell coach willie green or the second that coach willie green decides you know what i want zon taking 20 sorts of game ingram relax i think we'll have

we'll be we'll be having different conversations exactly but that's not the case that there's not that's not that's not so i think for this for this situation i think that brandon ingram has done a decent job yeah he's good i'm very confident though that they should trade bannon ingram just because i think him and zombie better separate agree but he has been lose to do something yeah I don't know it's true there's such a weird team like a good but I don't think they'll ever be great with this organization with this like roster construction but they're so good like what do you do I don't know Brandon Ingram is one of those players just like this player is so fucking good but like

how good can you be with this player as like your first or second player it's like he's so good you can't trade him I know you should trade if you think if you think that Zion is going to be who you think he can be you trade Brandon Ingram because his ceiling is not is clearly not as high at what Zion's is it's just hard to imagine Brandon Ingram trade where you get better unless there's like a disgruntled star and the other team really likes Brandon Ingram so it's just it's hard to find a fit like a reason to trade him more brady ingram he he screams it seems like he has like demar de Rosen syndrome where it's like this dude's really fucking good but at the same time I don't

know how good he could be as one of my first or second best players yeah they'll just be a trading for Kauai Leonard and then they'll win a championship. Easy money, disgruntled star. There we go. Connecting the dots. There we go. All right. Next up, the Lakers.

It's your guy. It's your guy. He's finally done it. He's finally put together the season where he has been better than LeBron the entire way. Who's my guy? Anthony Davis. I just want to hear you say. Austin Reis.

Oh my God. Gross. See, this is why we get into yelling at you because you do stuff like that. Yeah, AD's been good. No, I think AD has confidently been better for this regular season. He's been incredible defensively. He's held it down. It's been a really strong scoring season.

His passing has really improved this year if he weren't talking about it. But if I'm playing a playoff series, I'm still going to rather have LeBron James, I think. I think you can still notch it up when you did. That's fine. The regular season, like you said, AD got it. So if we're just saying who's been better this year. Anthony Davis is the guy. True.

Yeah. As soon as they give credit to Anthony Davis. Look at what a world we're living in. Everyone, crayon eaters, please record this shit immediately because we're never even getting this type of Anthony Davis positivity again. Y'all think I just talk to talk. Listen, I don't. I mean what I say. If you're still here, comment Donovan is a secret Anthony Davis munch.

Let me see in the comments. Come on now. this is why what universe are we in right now come on things are so upside down I comment that a bunch of times because he's not going to like it

and it's going to be funny I just won't look at it and feel free to tweet out him too so he has to see it spam his Twitter at D-Smoot 3D I'm deleting Twitter

I'll see y'all next week Instagram go spam his Instagram comments I'll give y'all his address you're on his phone number I got you show up to his workplace Next team, the Miami heats.

This is the same situation as the Lakers where come play all time. We know who we trust more, but this regular season, it's been bam out of bio. Yeah, Jimmy Buller has gone really shameless with his just coasting in the regular season. So the point to where I'm like, bro, is this good for your team, really? But he reminds me in April. He reminds me in May, whenever. he's in the Eastern Conference finals or finals like yeah it's still his team but for now he better show up he always he always will i understand he's not going to have the energy to be

playoff jimmy unless he takes it easy in the regular season but there's a lot of pressure now you better be playoff jimmy again or else we're going to look back and see a whole scene if you're not trying and it's going to look awful and he's not getting any younger i don't know how many more but i'm i don't know how many more bucks series he has left than him how man he's he's 34 Jimmy Buller is 304 years old. Damn, what you mean? Yeah, like that's a grab stage. No, but like that's a couple months younger than Kevin Durand.

Isaac was ready to put KD in a home. Like, I didn't think that, I didn't think that Jimmy Butler was that old. Well, I think Katie's pushing 36, isn't he? Yeah. Katie, I think he's pushing 36, or he might be 36. He's 35. Yeah, Kerry's 36. I think Katie's 35 and then J.B. 35.

Yeah, Markey doesn't turn 36 until September. That's crazy. Steph Ferry turns 36 in March. That's what I was thinking of. Wow. Okay, so next one. My goats are getting old. Facts, bro.

We're cooked. Last one, the Chicago Bulls. Wow. New best player in the team alert. This is Kobe White's team, and I would have never thought in a million years I'll say this shit. Oh my God.

Listen, DeMarter Rosen, maybe he's still been better overall. He's averaging like 22. for game doing DeMargarozo and stuff. But if fuck that, Kobe White is so much more, Kobe White is so much more exciting, so much more oomph to his game. I don't know why anybody would want to pick DeMar

when you have somebody as excited as Kobe White. Exactly. Since December, when Kobe White really, really turned it on, he's doing the same thing that DeMard de Rosen is. And he's just fantastic. He's carrying this team. He had almost, what do you have, like seven or eight threes the other night?

He is dominating right now. He's the shooting has gotten better All three levels His passing's gotten better His defense has gotten better He's going to be the running For most improved player Damn

Now if we're talking about Who'll be better In a game A king on the court 21 Any former one of you won basketball DeMarter Rosen might be If you got two dribbles

I'm picking DeMarter Rosen If I am playing in a real life world I'm picking Kobe White Sadly be playing the Sadly the NBA has Regulation Basketball It's Kobe Did you imagine the NBA had two dribbles?

Oh my goodness, we need that. Tomorrow have a Hall of Fame career. Yo-your kids would be cooked. I don't know. He might just post up, just catch it, and just never dribble and just fucking throw dimes. I agree. He might be the best player in the world easily still.

Still? No matter what. The two dribbles. There you all. That's the episode. No bad. Yonis is cooked as shit. Yonis is.

fucking fried. He's running back man now. He's Javille McGee now. Oh my gosh. If y'all are still here, comment. Donovan is a secret AD munch. And y'all? Check us out on all socials.

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