The Deep 3 Podcast - We Graded Every 2026 NBA Trade Deadline Move | Ep. 185

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

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Oh my God. We have so much to talk about. As you guys see by the title, we are here to talk about every single NBA trade that happened at the 2026 NBA trade deadline. We're recording this Thursday morning. As it's still going on, more might break as we go. It might be adding on stuff to the show in real time. Several stars have been traded today, or yesterday I should say. So much has changed, most notably.

John the Kaminka is a member of the Atlanta Hawks. Per your prediction. Per my prediction, we got the cum bucket to Atlanta from what to do with. That was never a real prediction. You're just trying to like actually piss me off. On my dick. All I'm hearing is I was right. We're going to do that.

We're going to grade. Scoop shams from weeks away. Get fucked. Weeks away. We're going to grade every single trade that happened today for every team, for every player involved, go through them all, give you guys a full reaction. You guys have been telling us for days.

Where's a trade video at? Where's the hard and reaction? The Jairn reaction. We got all of it here for you today. Calm down. Okay, Vince is on my team now. That just happened five minutes ago, so we'll get into that too. Wow.

Before we do that, though, got a little game want to start the show with. Per our normal tone. You're going to mix up a little bit. Always playing games. What's up? I know. You guys got 10 questions to guess the NBA podcaster in front of you. What?

Interesting game. 10 questions to guess the podcast. 10 questions. I didn't know someone's going to be sharing the seat with me. You usually have to check in, but I guess this is a lot for you. You guys are matching. You're patented Beanie. Shicy man.

I got to watch me and that says. I don't know. What's your first question? Okay. Is this podcast? Okay. Good question. You know, what did you ask?

I saw you black. That's never a bad question. No, no. Usually it's always the first one to start with an NBA player. Have to. Is he six foot or over? Don't think so. Not even close.

Damn, not close. Not close. Okay. Who are the short? Okay. Does he make basketball videos? He does amongst other things. Amongst other things.

Would you say that this guy is funny? I would say so. Okay. Would I brought him to this couch if he wasn't? Probably not. Okay. I mean, listen, we're trying to. It's trying to branch out.

Inclusive. It's trade deadline day. Inclusive. We went to school for journalism so I can see where you're like, we're getting in our This is not a journalist. In our big J bag. This is a goofball. Does he have long hair at all?

Nope, nope, nope. Don't think so. All right. Do we know who his favorite team is? Probably. I'm sure you're familiar. Oh. These types aren't very quiet about it.

They make sure you know. They? Hold on. You brought one of them on this show? I brought one of them. Okay, hold on. Has he been on this show before? He has.

Being one of them. Oh, shit. How many questions are we at? I think we're at seven or so. It's called at eight. You got two more? Eight. Okay.

So we have one left for the guess. Sure. How many guys have we had on this show before? We had Kenny, he black. We had rusty buckets. You're not six foot. Is Jack tall in real life? Jack is tall as fuck.

Yeah. Jack's like 6-8. I don't know what that. But he's big. He's like 6-2. Man, who else have we had on the show? He's not Donovan's dad either. Fuck.

It's not my father. This father's no one of them. I don't know. I'm cooked. I think I'm cooked. Yeah, I don't know. This is Boston's finest. Chicago's finest now recently moved here.

This is B. Souls here with us on the couch today. As you guys have seen, he's been on the show before. Here to join us again on the couch. I don't want you to see my hair, man. This is crazy. Here today join us for the show. You're in the wrong seat, though. You know that.

I don't know why he's had in this seat. Why don't you go take your seat over there? Go over there. Mystery room. I don't know who told you can be on the couch. This is blue seat over. Exactly.

It's for the cat. Yeah, yeah, take that seat. Okay. Okay. Beanie on. Back in your own natural habitat. Oh, God. I'm so comfortable now.

Welcome to the show. Yeah, welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. Welcome to the show, man. I've been in the cup chair for a week. Listen to all the Celtic slander. I am here to level things out, man. Introducing.

Amongst other things. Introducing for the first time. Producer. B-Soles. We're throwing it back. Whoa. That's crazy. He was bragging.

I hope you didn't say it. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. Thank you. Crown eaters rejoice. You guys heard that right. The most diverse podcast in NBA media just got more diverse. We are bringing on B- Souls officially.

As a producer of this show, he will be here in the fourth chair on the camera. on the mic talking with us, fourth character on the show, chiming in, hosting games, doing everything that we do with us, but he's also going to be in charge. I've been the producer of the show, and all that comes with. He is in charge of growing the show with us, helping us in this second win we're hitting. A lot of new changes coming this month, like I told you guys in December, he is the newest change here. He's told how you feeling.

I'm feeling good, man. I'm feeling good. Yeah, I think we needed a Celtics fan on this. That much, that part, I don't know, but we did need a person. You. You were the best person for the job. So I'm excited. I'm excited for the opportunity.

I'm excited to help, you know, TD3 productions grow and everything that comes with that. This is the reason I moved to Chicago for those who are wondering. Yep. You've been leaking it. It's finally revealed. Even Lane Breckram. Yeah.

It's funny. It's very like big city fandom and then, though. Boston, New York, L. hit all the glamour markets. Then we're not going to sleep. You're talking about like I'm from Missouri or Mississippi. What the fuck? I'm not going on.

I learned a basketball. You might as well be a small market team. You're a food like that. Listen, man, we're not a basketball city. So it is what it is. Yeah. Well, as you guys see, we're here. Fourth person forever now.

Going forward. Let's demonstrate integrating every single trade of the NBA trade deadline. And I think naturally, we've got to begin with what to me is the most interesting trade of the last few years, really, for all parties involved. It's fascinating from all angles. The Los Angeles Clippers have traded James Harding. to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Darius Garland and a second round pick.

So many angles to start with. Darius Golan is a 26-year-old all-star guard. Yep. On a team that won 64 games last year, off the heels of him having an extremely great season with his playmaking being a vital part of what made that team go. We spent all of last year saying

he's lap Trey Young, lap John Morant, left all his peers that previously were thought of as being better than him. He was better than them last year. Unique combination of shooting, playmaking on and off ball. we would have thought a year ago

this is one of the most valuable players in the NBA potentially and now he's been trading for a guard who is 10 years older than him at times last year worse than him that's the craziest part for me. And the other team

17 and 4 at one point in the past three weeks. Yeah, that doesn't really like move me because you do understand like you're not winning a championship and the situation that the clips are in are so dire that you might as well go out and try to get a 26 year old

but that's the the that's the most interesting part is that for a team in the in the calves that not only not not only have you been thinking like okay is is garland going to be here right is de mitch going to be here if we flame out again can we even play with evan mowbby and jared allen you have three guys of your core for that prior to the straight you had no idea if you're going to be there and now if dmitch is not there or jared adlin's not there if you break everything down if you go outside again you're left with late 30s James Hardin. Like it feels so weird to essentially get rid of any type of like insurance.

And it would have felt much better if the insurance was your all star, former all star guard. Yeah. There is Garland who you drafted, who's been a part of this team for a long time that you've seen can carry a team to some type of competency. And to give up on that right now is extremely like shocking to me that they, that they would feel the need or feel comfortable going out and swapping Garland for Harding.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree and I understand that for all those reasons. But I look at this trade and immediately I'm just like, wow, like they actually think Garland will never be the same again in terms of being constantly healthy, having regular 70 games seasons being played and all that. This toe, like this toe injury is nagging.

It's going to probably happen for the rest of his career. And when something happens like that to this caliber of a player, someone whose archetype is, quote, unquote, dying around the NBA and all that, you have no room for error. There's no margin for error at all. There's been times where, you know, even last year, like, he just not, he hasn't necessarily been going out sad per se. But last year, he did miss time in that Miami series, which they, like, destroy Miami, of course. And then they, he missed time during the Indiana series. And even when he did play, he was shooting like what? 34% from the field.

He wasn't good. You've shooting like 34% from the field on like 14 points per game. And that was very easily like one of the most recent the last few years. One of the more disappointing playoff like runs from a team that won what, 64 games?

His health is in serious question. Yeah, this is a total vote of no confidence in Darius Garland. That's what this tells you is this team views themselves in a two year title window. So training for 36 road is okay because after two years are going to probably blow it up anyways.

get something for dematch, get something for Mobley, or maybe, or probably keep Mobley. But, you know, the team, as we know, it has a two-year shelf life. We believe that Darius Garland is not capable because of playoff, woes, or injuries, or both, to be the guy that gives us the best chance to win a championship. That sounds to me the most important part there is they probably think his foot is cooked beyond belief. And I guess we can't really know the extent of that, how true that is. There's a report that came out that clearly was a firm's representative yesterday, that they think he'll be able to go as soon as he gets traded there after the trade deadline.

I mean, after the All-Star break to play for the Clippers. Hopefully that's the case, and he's going to be able to be 100%. But I doubt it. I don't think they do this unless they think that there's probably a chance he's never the same. And if you feel that way, cool. You traded Darius Garland away because you didn't think that he was going to be available because whenever he's hurt, you know, he's basically just a completely different player and he's falling off in the playoffs.

And then you traded for a guy who is there, but who is, almost set to an alarm clock to fail in the playoffs for a team that is worried about going outside and you have the guy who's gone out sad a majority of the time. That's why it's like even if you, even if you trade a garland for somebody else who is a little bit older, James Harden being the most specific guy that you would trade for when your entire situation is so volatile as it is, that's the part where you're getting older and for a guy that you you know for a fact even the biggest Hardin fans they can't look you in the eyes right now and be like yeah Hardin is going to do it this year we've had 15 years of him failing in the playoffs and now

their situation that we get to in the playoffs all the time is like dang like de Mitch is going to have to score 35 and then you kind of understand what happens whenever we get into de Mitch basketball and there's there's pros and this kind of it of him taking 30 shots in a in a playoff game you're going to need them to take 30 shots because James Hardin's only going to take eight. Evan Mobley is going to get you 18 on the dot. So Donovan Mitchell, his job has now become so much harder and so much more important as a score in this trade. And ultimately, this may be good because you have James Hardin to be a facilitator to get

Evan Mobley easier looks, right? We'll see how that chemistry builds out. But the James Hardin of it all for Darry's Garland and giving up on this error right now, It is interesting for them. Be souls. As a Celtics fan, somebody who came into last year, actually midway through last year,

started viewing the Cavs. It's your greatest adversary to getting out of the East. This year is the Cavs and the Knicks. The two teams you need to be scared of as a Celtics fan. Are you more or less frightened of them in the playoff setting

with James Hardin versus Darius Garland? Um, less? I don't know. It's one of the crazy. Didn't we just do a tier list of the playoff chokers or whatever. Yeah.

We did. We did. With no rings and we tear listening why we think they have no rings. And we put James Hart in playoff choker. And he was there alone.

Bro, if this is the championship plan for them to make a championship run is to get a perennial playoff choker, I'm good. I'm good. We got J.B. That's the hard part.

It's like all that's true. They don't really strike feared your heart more when the point of trading Darius Garland is pretty much exclusive for the playoffs. But if they think Darius Garland is cook, what's the alternative?

You still want to have have a high level playmaker, you saw this year they need all the playmaking they can get, all the pink touches they can get. After losing Tide Jerome and having a hobbled, Darius Garland,

Lonzo Ball being one of the worst players in the NBA, it was a, they're in dire straits for people that can make a pass and drive and kick. That's all James Hardin does right now. You don't need any type of responsibility

on your shoulders as a score. He can go back to what he was doing two years ago with Dwell and Bede where he's averaging like 16 points per game, but being straight point God throwing 11 assists a game, Donald McIntyre will take

those motherfucking shots and he'll be happy about it. So I can kind of see the fit being okay. It's not like Darrys Garland was bringing extreme value defensively anyways. So I don't think the drop off there is going to kill them on defense. The real thing for me will be is the better playmaking of James Harden worth it for the fact that he's a million times worse off ball than Darius Garland. Yeah. I agree with you on that.

And that's going to be like real hiccups between someone like between just Donovan Mitchell and James Hardin. But when it comes to the rest of the team, Sam Merrill, Dean Wade, Max Drews, whenever he comes back. Jalen Tyson, bigger picture Evan Mowelley and Jared Allen. Those guys are going to motherfucking eat. But I agree with you. I am like slightly worried between the fit between Donovan Mitchell and James Hardin. I think that'll figure itself out because James Hardin is like a basketball genius. You know, he's called himself the system before.

Over here, he can't necessarily be the system. He has to be more so a part of it, I would say. And I don't see a world where that's like an issue. I see a world where it's an issue for sure. But I've seen plenty of worlds in where James Hardin has made his skill set fit with other stars. He's on a six team now.

It's crazy. He's a fucking journeyman. How many players of his caliber have played for six teams and betrayed five times? Not many. Pretty much every step along the way he's made it work offensively

with the large variety of different players. Exactly. Russell Westbrook and James Hardin led a high quality offense together. I think they won like 57 games or something crazy. That's crazy. He fit with Juel and Bede. Joel and Bede is a very on-ball player.

You would think that maybe the recent issues there figured it out fit with quiet leonard fit with paul george fit with every there hasn't been a single team he's been on where you say the offense doesn't work he's a basketball genius he just figures it out offensively yeah now will that be enough to fix the calves where every issue they have are they going to be like great enough on the wing defensively to make up for it i don't know do we still have the issues with their big man the lack of scoring aggression the lack of spacing at times i don't know this doesn't make me say watch out for the calves they just added this genius you're calling them that wow they're so unbeatable i don't feel

materially that different about them. And now, in fact, there's more, more variance now where all this could go poorly because Hardin isn't the off ball player and the defense could be worse, all these things that it just feels kind of neutral to me overall. Yeah, I think this, this guy, I feel the same about the cabs, but for a different reason. Like, I think the chaos for, the chaos that would have happened if they, if they lost in the first round, if they kept Darry's Garland and then you, you just have this whole error that's like, dang, what happens if Garland is healthy?

Can we even trust that? And then you kind of have all of that. Even if that happened, Garland's out of there. Like, winning cures everything. And it's like that. But it's really more so like medicine where they had a problem two years ago. Where in the offseason, Darius Garland was like, yeah, I'm probably like, I need to be traded. And me and DeMitch, like, we can't work.

And the cats are like, sit out. And so they bring in, they bring in Kenny. they win the 64 games and that's fine. This year, you're mid, you stop taking your medicine. So now you're back to being sick. And so now we're midway through the season. And all of those issues that were there a year and a half ago have still been there. And I can deal with that if we're on the, if we're the one seed, I can deal with that

if it looks like the east is going to run through us. But now that I have to go, you know, four, now that I have to go through four teams, I don't really want to do anything. James Harden experiencing adversity of any kind on his team. I'm out. 1.3 seconds. Bro. He's one of the greatest of all time.

Yeah, that's also true. And it's respectable. They went 16 and 3 and he bounced. But I do understand. It's funny on the surface. He signed at 1 plus 1 this summer. They said, okay, let's see if we're good.

If that is the case, maybe we'll extend you. If not, we'll see what happens. And perhaps it'll be worth it for all of a school or separate ways because it doesn't make sense for us to pay you. If we're clearly headed towards a rebuild. Season starts, they're the worst team in the way the fucking Western Conference somehow. I'm sure at that point in December,

he was like, oh yeah, I'm for sure getting traded. I'm clearly out of here. Then they go 16 and 3, turn this bitch around somehow, some way. Now he asks, are you trying to pay me? They said, still no. He said, okay, let's go our separate ways. This is probably the plan from the jump. It makes sense for everybody.

It's funny. Coming off the heels of being a good team now and him saying, nope, give you the money. But I bet this was a plan the whole time. It's going to be hilarious because we're going to see James Hardy in Uganda being like Steve Ballmer is a lot. And I will never play 14, but he owns again. But it's probably the opposite though, actually.

He probably has no ill-will at all. He probably is like Steve Bomber's real as fuck. He said, pay me or I'm trading you? They traded me. Good for him, right? Like, he's about his bucks at every opportunity. He will get paid. If you're not trying to do that, this is just a job.

Send me somewhere else. Will it give me a contract? You do have to respect that. Yeah, it is what it is. 110. Like, we've seen him, this is so, like, cut and dry compared to all of his other, like, departures when he first left Houston. He did the whole fat suit thing.

And then after that, he got traded to the Brooklyn Nets. And then, of course, that turned into a whole debacle on itself. I remember he played, like, one of the worst games I've ever seen him play in my entire life. He had, like, four points on a random, like, Wednesday, Tuesday night against the Sacramento Kings. And then he got traded to, yeah, he left there. And then he got traded to Philly, the whole thing where he was talking a bunch of Chinese kids, telling him how much of a liar, telling him about Darry's morale and all that. fucking hilarious.

Now for Clippers, you get a point guard. It's 10 years younger than your point guard. It's about the best that you can do for the situation that you're in.

Unless Darius Garland is cooked. And that would be unfortunate. I feel like there's a non-zero chance. They wouldn't give up on him unless he was like a serious issue.

Yeah. But nevertheless, even if it's a worthwhile gamble. Yeah. That's the point. Even if he's cooked, if you trade James Harder right now for if

They trade James Hardin somewhere else. But you're getting one, one draft pick that's probably like super protected. Like having a guy with the track record of a Darius Garland to now be in your system is a good thing. We've said for years that the Cavs have needed a three and D guy. Now you get to go play with the score or the D guy in the NBA in terms of Kauiland who's playing and scoring. The D guy. Yeah. Who's playing and scoring at one.

of the best levels that he has in his career, that parent is interesting. Let me see a shout out to the D guy in the comment section. But yeah, anyways, you do keep the same archetypal of the team, like you said, and now you have Garland there who can be, like, if he's healthy, are they that much worse this year? It might be better. Maybe in some ways, but to be fair, James Hardens has been a lot better this season because of the injuries. But like if he gets right and has a second half of the year resurgence, they can look like

geniuses shifting to a 26-year-old star that maybe if they go full tear down, they flip him in a year. or they just rebuild their team around Darius Garland basketball. Like that's like if he's healthy, we've been saying for a couple years now that pre-Donald and Mitchell, he was more of a playmaking engine and we kind of want to see him have that responsibility

to put the ball in his hands more. Here we go. You get to be unlocked and you get to have this opportunity. It's a real... To risk. Either the body falls apart and they're like, fuck, this was a bad mistake or we're geniuses

and we got a 26-year-old star that is our future. And at this point in time, because you are the clippers and you mortgage your entire future for the rest of this damn decade for an idea that I don't even want to discuss anymore because I know Clippis fans are tired of that too.

This is what comes with the game that you try to play. And I think it's worth the risk no matter what the outcome is because James Hardin is obviously playing not peak James Hardin basketball, but closer to his prime compared to the last few years. And Darius gone over the next, what, two, three years are however long his deal is as well worth the risk. I hope he gets it together, man. I love watching Darius Garland.

If he's healthy and gets back to him being himself, I love this for him. Being able to have your own team again and be the main guy, not next to a guard who you don't fit with well. You guys just made it work last year. But like you said, two years ago, there was a lot of smoke that his agency wanted him traded. And then Rich Paul yesterday, after they got traded,

he said that before this season, he told Darius, this will be your last year on the Cavs. I see the riot on the wall. One way or another is going to end. They've clearly done this for two years now. They just were forced to make it work last year and it worked out well. This is clearly what's best for him if his body's right.

It's wild that he has a pod who were... Rich. Yeah, is that not crazy? The fact that, yeah, is this his last year. Yeah. And then Dary's going to get traded and he can be like, oh, I've been new. Also, he can just like say that. He can just like, say that.

I saw it coming. All right. It comes to a point, man. We got to. What is on the screen on the screen? What is on the screen? Oh, this is the Cavs Master Plan. Did y'all know about the Cavs Secret Master Plan?

Tell me about it. We crack the Cavs Master Plan. All right. Trade for James Hard. sign LeBron in the summer, pair him with James Hardin and Donovan Mitchell, final title run, LeBron retires a champion.

This sounds like a dream. My dream personally. I've seen this before. I feel like we talked about it just yesterday. 2019, Nix was supposed to draft Zion Williamson, get Katie and Kyrie finals run. It's very nice to say in February.

None of this is happening. This is not going down. I mean, why not? What part of this isn't going to happen? LeBron saying, yeah, I'm going to take X amount of million dollars less. Like, I just, I don't think he's going to do it. He's going to have to. I don't think.

Who has given him a max? I think. I think LeBron will rather die than take the minimum and leave $30 million on the table. So you'd rather retire? Yes. Okay. That's fair. That makes sense.

Then, then legitimately have the, and we talked about it before, for LeBron, If LeBron takes the minimum, even if he's going back to Cleveland, if he takes the minimum and goes to a team that now is trying to make this finals run, it will look like one of the nastiest moves of all time because it is him. Because it is him. If anybody else, it's different. If it's LeBron James. I think if it's anywhere else, if he took a minimum for the Lakers, that's nasty work.

That's a strictly like transactional relationship for the Cleveland Cavaliers is different. It's storybook. Yeah, you're, you're, I promise. I think you guys are underestimating even, Even right now, LeBron James hate and the way that it will be seen if LeBron takes a minimum. Bro, that's you. No, no. If LeBron takes a minimum in his final year to go play with James Hardin and DeMitch, it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. That's going to look nasty. One, you're overestimating LeBron James, hey. I think in recent years, especially since breaking the scoring title and the fact that he's like washed, LeBron James Haye isn't what it once was. He's kind of, honestly, in some ways, a little like irrelevant to some people in terms of the overall arching of the league. Like he wasn't even top 10 in fan vote.

That isn't a big metric, obviously. I think that does tell you something. That tells you something about the general mental space, LeBron takes up in people's heads. So I don't think the animosity would be just because the general thought about LeBron isn't at the forefront of he is the everything at the NBA anymore. And Cleveland does fix a lot of that. You can get a lot of padding by going home by having that narrative.

That saves a lot. I do agree with Moe. If he was going to the Warriors to do that, fucking filth. It would be disgusting. That's disgusting. I think it's normal to think of a star sacrificing money in his final year. It'll be viewed that way more than like shameless just because of the calves. Like did I mean, I don't remember did Jordan take max money with the Wizards?

I doubt it. I don't remember. But I don't think he like made them break the bank, did he? He's not going to ring chase in that situation. This won't be viewed at the green chasing. It'll be going home. Yes, it will. If you're a dickhead, it will.

It'll be very easy to sell going home. Donovan's a dickhead. He's not. No, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Because even last year, and this is why I'm saying, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not over. You're not crazy. You're not crazy.

Last year, LeBron, LeBron just got hurt, right? He got hurt. He didn't play an All-Star game. How dare LeBron not tell the league that he's not playing in the All-Star game? We have to, we have to make sure that Norm Powell's an all-star. No way gives a damn about Norman Powell. Anything that the LeBron does is going to be built up good or bad to an extreme level. And it's different.

And it's different if, like, if he's not taking it. taking the max, that's fine. If he's taking like a five, even $10 million pay cut, that's something different than saying I'm going to get paid the same as the lowest paid player in the NBA to now

go play with two other all-stars at, granted, at home, but on the screen, everybody expects if you go play with James Hardin and D. Mitch, you are going to go and try and ring chasing. That's what's going to be later. He doesn't have to the minimum. He can take some kind of mid-level exception. I'm sure they can open it up, get out of the second apron.

And maybe, they'll probably be the tax regardless, so it won't be the full mid-level. But it won't be minimum, but that won't be quite the ugly signifier. He can take the $5.5 million mid-level. That sounds less gross on the PR surface. And you're underestim the fact that he's going to leave Luca Donchich, where he could take the minimum there if you really want to ring chase. And I think the idea of leaving Luca and Reeves, you could view that, especially if they get the cast face and the Lakers probably build some kind of reasonable team, that can be viewed as a lateral move going to the Cavs. James Hardin is James Harding, by the way. know if you know this, the Lakers are more wins in the cabs right now without Austin Reeves.

Like, they suck right now. It's a very lateral move there to leave Luca to go to Hardin and D Mitch. He's not exactly like, that's not ring chasing. You know, that's not, that's not, that's not. I promise you, it will be viewed that way. Sure. You view it that way. It'll be viewed that way.

It's not. I'm going to say, you view it that way. I think that's the real question. This dude is projecting, man. No, no. There are, there will be some days where it's like, uh, like, uh, like, And that's only because I do think of a LeBron as this very, this very tactical,

calculated person who is going to do everything and is extreme. For him and his dad, been talking about this for ages already already. He is skip minutes. No, is LeBron not extremely calculated? What? Is he not?

We got to hear. Time out. We need to move on. Time out. Is LeBron is everything that we say? About LeBron and Cluss, like, are they not very aware of everything that they do? And are hyper aware of every storyline that comes out and everything in the media. Is that not something that is fairly ascribed to them?

Of course, obviously. And that's why they want to go home and have that narrative. We understand that. Again, with LeBron, everything will be viewed both ways. There would be a lot of discourse. You can choose beauty either way. I think there's enough. The whole point of this is, should he do this?

This is possible. And this is certainly possible just because he's leading to Lakers. And there's enough neutrality that you can spin it. It's certainly not impossible, is all I'm saying. Donovan, do you believe in the legium theories? Not like, not to the extent that they, like, I don't think he's like on the, on the team playing, looking at cap sheets and being like, and like calling other GMs. I do think that in some situations, LeBron was like, hey, like, I kind of, like, I want this to happen. And like when he was in his prime and people viewed him as that player, then they would say it's probably in our best interest to keep LeBron happy and we can go out and make a move.

I don't think he's not working the phones every day the way that people are talking about. Yeah, fair, fair. We've devolved into a LeBron conversation on a trade deadline episode. We must move on. You've allowed us to be sidetracked by nonsense. It's so irrelevant. We brought up nonsense. It was a quick joke.

And Howard DeBerellon LeBron's legacy in the final years. So great. I'm going to give this an A plus foot Clippers. I think you can't do much. That's a great bet to take. Yep. And I will give it a B minus for the cab. I understand you want to maximize you two windows.

And if you have the medicals, you think James Hardin's a better bet, okay, I'm still not going to love it because he's 36 and doesn't play good in the playoffs ever. Yeah, I agree. I think, again, there's nothing that could go wrong for the clippers. You are the clippers. You have no draft picks. This is a flyer, A plus. You know, you have nothing to lose nor really like gain at this moment in time. I'm buying Darius Garland stock.

Other than hope, you know? You have hope now for the next few years. And I'm buying that hope. I'm buying Garland stock. I'm going to hope that his feet work. And I'm going to hope that it's not. It's turf though. Like, is that something that is like debilitating that gets hurt over and over.

I don't know it to be the case. Maybe. Maybe he's the worst toes in the world. Yeah. And if you're a small guard, you, there's no room for error. Yeah. So the downside is there. I'm going to choose to believe it's not the case.

I'm going to buy stock. I like Darius Garland, so I will buy stock. However, this is both toes on both feet. That's a, yeah. You have no toes. Damn. No toes. You have no toes.

You're to tellless, buddy. That's a, that's a weird bet to me. Yeah. That's a weird bet to me. If you're told looking like this, four toes. You're a peculiar individual. Four toes down?

Eight toes down. That's tough. I don't know how you're constantly pull up with eight toes. We sent 30 minutes in the first trade. I'm crying, man. That's us. For the cast, I give this a B

going back to what you said. On some Dion Sanders. Next trade to talk about. He has four toes. When? Yeah, they had to amputated a couple toes. God damn. When all the rumors are going around

about drama ramp, possibly being traded, about everything falling apart, we come up here and we said, okay, they better blow this bitch up entirely. The Grizzies better answer a full-scale rebuild, and that means trading Jaron Jackson, Jr. going all the way, you already traded Bain, build around these young guys, like Edie, Cedric Coward, Wells, the other picks you get. Be a new version of this team because there's no point of half-assing it.

You're never going to go anywhere with Jared Jackson Jr. hoops being your linchpin. They listened, they agreed. Jaron Jackson Jr. now works for the Utah Jazz. They have traded him. Four. Actually, no, it was way bigger than him, so I'll say the whole thing. Jaron Jackson Jr., John Conchar, Jock Lawndale, and Vince Williams Jr. to the jazz for Walter Clayton, Kyle Anderson, Taylor Hendrix, Neang, and three future first round picks. They did.

They did. They entered the rebuild. Seven first round picks for Jaron and Bain. How do you feel about the Grizzlies? For the Grizz, I love it. I think this is ultimate self-awareness. And for a front office that has been good at identifying and developing talent, you continue to give your front office more chances. to fully rebuild.

We'll see what happens today with John Morant, see if they're like fully, fully tear it down. But when you know that you're not going to get to the NBA finals, when at this point,

they don't even know if they're going to get to the second round. They have one playoff win in this entire era in terms of playoff series wins. So this era of Grizzlies basketball, fun at times, disappointing at times,

controversial at times, but ultimately, it just didn't win enough. And you have to move on. and four guys that are about to get paid $50 million, you can go ahead, lob that bill over to somebody else. I'm all for it. I'm all for getting out of contracts that are going to be either expensive,

which is not worth it because the rest of the team isn't going to be able to maximize the situation that Jerry Jackson Jr. is in. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think as time goes on, we're going to see definitely a lot less contracts like guys like Kat are getting or did get a couple years ago in Jared Jackson, Jr., where you're making like $50 million

and you're eating up like 30 to 35, 40% of the cap. You're just not getting that if you're not like one of the top, I don't know, 15, 16 best players in the goddamn world anymore. And go ahead. I think this is amazing because if they didn't, if they traded Jaya and kept Jaron, we saw Jaron Jackson first option tubes

for more extended periods of time, I think what a tanked is trade value. Oh, 110%. They sold off of them like so fucking fast. This is the best probably, this is probably the best shit they could have gone. He's been garbage this year. People don't care because Jaws been taking all the heat. He's been taking all like that meme of the soldiers.

He's been on the other side. He's throwing the knives. Yeah, he's been a sacrificial lamb for Jaron Jackson, who has been dog shit this year for the standards he gave us last year. The scoring has been so much worse for, I'm sure, a variety of reasons. He is so much more valuable to team with the Jazz, as now, third option on offense, getting back to being focused on defense, scoring barely matters when you're playing next to Larry Marker and Keonté George.

This was best case scenario. And yeah, like we said, tear it down. Rebuild the right way with a ton of picks. Hopefully get one more for Jaron's. A plus? Yeah, A plus. You can't go wrong. There's no word on where this like doesn't work out because what ceiling do you have

with Jerry Jackson Jr. As your number one or two options? We've seen it already. Nothing again. Plain ceiling is like maybe, maybe. I guess anybody can make the plan. So yeah, as a best case scenario, I don't see them doing anything more than that.

Not for the Jazz. Walker Kessler is a restrictive free agent. All the reports say they'll probably keep him. So they do that, give him, I'm sure the Lakers will throw like $25 to $28 million a year. They'll have to match that. Let's say upwards of $30, potentially. $30 million to Walker Kessler.

$60 million to Lorry marketing, damn near. What does he make? Like 50? Yeah. Jaron, that's your team. That's your team now. Kianti has to get paid in a couple of years. That's your team.

But your team now has a center. That's an amazing, more protective, amazing rebounder. Started shooting threes a little bit this year. We'll see if that becomes anything. A power forward, amazing shot blocker. Doesn't have the rebounding, but it's okay because Walker got them. And I guess small four, Lari Marketing, who's one of the most versatile offball players in the world.

That is insane size and spacing from your three through five mixed out with Kianti George, who is now a, elite slashing guard who can perfectly utilize that spacing can hit those guys in the cutting positions you have a thousand other young players that can fit in the fifth starter for three and d we don't even talk about ace bailey because there's so many other stars that are rookies and he's been having a good rookie season as well if he can be here long term too and do all the offball stuff and play around those guys six eight at the shooting guard fucking gigantic team two k-k ass team everything i'm saying is like pure theory nerd shit that apparently danny aange and his son

or an agreeance of that being the good model might not work, might be better on paper than reality. Can you have a lot of marketing to be your long term, small forward on defense? I don't know. We'll see it the size make up for it. Lots of ways you can go wrong, right? But we've been saying for three years

the Jazz need to be a serious team at some point. At the very least, this will be a serious team next year. I'm going to take credit for this. He was slandering Danny Ames not that long ago. Yeah, because on, I can't remember which episode. I think in the harsh truth episode, I was saying like Danny Ains is looking at a little watch. Yeah.

He doesn't be doing anything and people aren't going to keep being patient with Danny age. And so you go out and you get you get a guy who has been a DPOI. You get a guy who's been in All-Star multiple times. And going out and being serious is the first step. And I would talk about it for a couple of other teams. Even if you look broke, you can go out and you can get a player and you can be up the next day.

Yeah. Right? You don't have to stay, you don't have to stay poor. Just go be aggressive. Just go make something happen. Put your team up by the bootstrap. You know, like,

it's, and so I do think like for the, for the jazz, this is, this is good. And I'm happy to see. Yeah, there, George, when you fade and get put in a serious situation.

Is he ready? Is he ready? He's ready. Brasar looks spooked. Bro, he's looking at a logo in the eyes. He's out like, I've seen you, son. Good job. Put in that work.

He's ready. He has to be the star league guard of this team now. He can do that. I think my question is, I mean, the deep, obviously, like, Kessler and Jaron help a lot of stuff. But with Kianti, with Lowry, like the other guys outside of just Jared and Walker, what is this defense going to be like? And ultimately, I'm excited about this team right now because they're going to be, you know, kind of solid for the first time. in a while. Is this ultimately

just going to be another team where it's like at the deadline and in the off season watch out of Utah they could be sneaky and then we look up

in there the ninth seed and it doesn't well maybe maybe but like what else he's supposed to do yeah at this point in time like you just want to see

something happen and they made something happen yeah if they can go out and get a Luca Dantjid or something get a star that makes them a serious contender that'd be great

they're not in that position so man go get Janus today yeah like what you want to do let's do it that's what we would have needed to make them be a true contender this is a

step in the right direction. They're a good team that all these players are valuable and can be moved in the future if it doesn't work out. You can easily trade Aaron Jackson 2 years from now. You can easily trade Larry Marking 2 years from now. I don't know if you can easily trade Darren Jackson Jr. With that 50 mil on his name. Every year that goes by, the deal gets less and less big.

You know, you know how it goes. We do this all the time players that are untradable. He's good. He'll be fine. I don't know, man. You can easily shut them around. They can easily all start together and play plenty of minutes separate because you have these giant bodies that can all play the 4 and 5.

So much versatility. You can start Jaron Jackson and playoff games and benchwalkers. Kessler if you want to go smaller and get primitive defense out there like this is a versatile team that isn't tied in anything i don't think they still have picks they're not in a deficit by any means that is no longer have the most picks in the league outside of okayc they're in a good spot this is a hand they're not handcuffed anything the only thing that i don't like people talking about this trade as to like diminish what utah did is that people are talking about how they have i think it's a top eight or so protected pick against you uh i forget what team it may be okayc for

all i know they know everybody picks is that that they're not that everybody picks is that they're that they're acting like, Jared Jackson, Jr. is going to lead your team to wins, which he's a positive player, obviously. He's additive to any entity set.

But, you know, like they're the, what, 10th seed? Are you all paying attention to the NBA this year? Jaron Jackson Jr.

is going to get the meanest stomach flu that holds him out for six weeks. Jared Jackson is not about to play full time. Neither is Kianta, neither is Lowry. If there's one thing you need to trust with the Danny Aange,

Utah Jazz, they know how to tank. Do not worry about it. And they're not blowing this opportunity to land again, another top pick. If they start playing well when three games in a row,

ankle's gone the next day. Don't ask to see it. Don't ask to see any injury reports, any medical records. It's gone. They're sending out folks midnight. It's going to be a random tweet from Shams.

He's like, Jared Jackson, Jr. has broken his ankle skiing in the slope from Utah. He's going to get the meanest sickness of all time. He's been, he's going to get what Christops

has for two months and it's gone. He'll be fine. That pick will be conveyed to the jazz unless they get fucked by the lottery. Exactly. But I don't know, B plus for the jazz, solid, step in the right direction.

Yeah, you have to take swings. And when you are a super, super small market like Utah in a place that nobody ever really wants to go, you have to take your chances to get, like just talent in the door. And they do that. So I'm going to B plus. All right. This is a good deal for both sides. Let's talk about the absolute opposite.

A horrible deal for one side. Mo, it is your turn to shed some more tears. I know we told you a couple weeks ago that we're done talking about the Hawks. You're not allowed to anymore. Every time you want to blabber about them, I put a 30 second timer on you. Unlimited cope right now. The Golden Is Day Warriors are trading Jonathan Caminga and Buddy Heald to the Atlanta Hawks for Christophers. Just before we started this segment, I saw a tweet someone sent me.

And they said, congratulations to Moe and Isaac for the worst prediction in T3 history. Because in our preseason predictions episode, we picked the Hawks' GM for executive of the year. And now he has traded for John DeCominga. And we'll loop this thing because I'll actually do it later. But he also has Gabe Vincent on his team, by the way. That is so damning right there. That is the worst part, right? We'll maybe get to that a speed round later.

John the Comigga's member of Atlanta Hawks. How do you feel? Um, I have a question for you guys. Don't go back at you. Don't thought of me. Guess how many games that Trey Young, Jalen Johnson, and Kersawkes-Ris-Ders-N-Based.

Fully in the NBA together. Zero. None. They didn't play a singular full game. When it comes to the prediction that we made about On Sejah Sala being the GM of the year, we weren't necessarily wrong about that because of all the moves that he made and how he put us in good

positions and just like... He doesn't know. Just like the actual process behind it, it was smart. Everyone would still get behind that, you know? What actually happened, of course, you don't like the reality. But if we're being honest here, no one sees Christop Svarez's playing his play anymore. Like he has some, like his body is

literally difference in like the worst ways possible. And if you're a Hawksman, how can you be mad at this rate? Because we have, we just got a new body. We just gained a playable player on our team. I can take me mad. Now is he good? No, not necessarily. Is he like, will he like gel with our play style? No, we're similar to going to say to a quick, a quick, witted reactive team and stuff like that. This is not really like a. So how can you be happy about a player that you don't think is good and doesn't fit with your play style. And Buddy Heels who has three years on his contract. Okay. So when it comes to the Buddy Heel thing,

he can be cut after this year. Okay. And he will be making like, I think, $3 million or whatnot that we owe him. And that's basically nothing. Oh, it's partially non-guaranteed? Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's a player option, I believe, or something like that. And it's partially non-guarantee. So that's a nothing factor. So basically just doesn't matter. And then as for

as for Cominga, of course, we all know he has a team option, I believe, at the end of this season. And that, again, means probably nothing. So that's what I'm like, we gain. a player, we gained someone who can get to the paint. Does that mean much? No, not necessarily because he played with the team in the Coliseate Warriors that has

the best spacing in the fucking world. The Atlanta Hawks had decent spacing too. We get another player. So what I'm hearing is, you're not happy. You're not giving it an F or anything because it doesn't matter, but you have an expiring $30 million contract that you get absolutely nothing for.

So it's not good. It's just a C, like everything that Atlanta Hawks do, it's average and mid, and it's one of the trades of all time. Precisely. I have no expectation at all other than, okay, nice. We have another guy who can actually play.

So I guess it's like a 20-game trial for Camingo to see if they like him. Maybe they want to bring him back. Like, essentially, you're swapping expirings and seeing if this guy's dope and if he somehow fits, it's a swing on a young player, opposed to KP, who, I'm guessing they had no other real opportunities to deal him because he doesn't play

and he's, like, just terminally ill. So they don't want to, like, nobody wants to buy on him in any real asset-wise. So, okay. Jonathan Kamika trial, I guess. Yeah, exactly. Really, like, the bigger story is like, wow, look at the Golden State Warriors. They had an opportunity to package Kaminga in the trade for Lari Market in just a couple years ago.

And we're at this point in where, damn, Chris Osversingis who don't play. We might be shitty. They're shittier. Exactly. Exactly. They stink worse. This is the peak, like, lose, lose trade. We both gain nothing from this at all.

The Warriors really don't get a damn thing. Chris Hobbs does not play. Like, the idea of him. the first year with the Celtics when he had this rejuvenation was awesome. That was one of the most valuable players in the league. We're two years in now where he just does not play. The idea of if Chris Opsk is healthy is a figment of your imagination. Like even more so than like an Anthony Davis trade or John Morant trade,

if we get the best case scenario, there seemingly is no best case scenario for Chris Osperzingis. He is ill, and that's not going away. It is a thing that's hurting his career, and it's unfortunate for him. This idea like, oh, we get Draymond and KP space on the floor. We're going to give Steph a chance in the playoffs. That's all KP is, just an idea. Just a chance.

I fucking doubt it comes to anything in fruition. This is a simple, expiring contract to clear up more space for this summer. Well, apparently the Warriors do believe in Christop's Rzing is playing. Okay. So I don't know. This is their big trade deadline push, y'all. The Warriors are poorly. So because they believe it in it.

It's true. No. They believe a lot of things. I hope, yeah, I hope that the medicine on the West Coast is different than whatever is on the East Coast. Because if they don't find him and it's like, Like you said, it's for real. Like, if they don't find some, some magic, like, medicine.

Fucking elixir. Yeah. If they're not giving him the blue bottle from Fortnite, then I have no idea. Come to Chuck Jow. I have no idea if he's going to play for them. He's going to read a reboot band. That's what he needs. Someone said Emery, the hospital in Atlanta.

He's going to lose half their revenue this month for not having KP living in those beds. Which, again, is it. Unfortunately for him that his career is mired because of pots, just like, destroying his ability to stay healthy and be on the court. It's so unusual that I think people still probably don't fully reckon with it that like it's not going away seemingly. We're a good amount of time into this. And it's really fucking up his opportunity to make money and continue to be a basketball player. So Warriors fans, you got an expiring contract and you have more flexibility this summer, I guess.

That means nothing at all. Everybody gets a C. Actually, everybody gets a D because they did nothing when maybe you should find value. D's all around. Yo, if I was a Warriors fan, hey, man. You got to be sick. The moment Steph retires, I'm out. I'm out.

They were telling me, we're going to get Yannis. And I got Christop Foursingas. In parentheses, idea. Yes. That's tough. Damn. That's hard. These for everybody.

Let's talk about an interesting trade that I'm really balancing my several biases here. The Chicago Bulls are trading center, Nicola Vucevich, and a second round pick to the Boston Celtics. For Anthony Simons and the second round pick, I believe two things in my bones. I believe that everything Bradst even does, every talent evaluation he has, should probably be trusted, smart guy that is good at identifying his players

and knowing what his team needs. So I always don't give him benefit for the doubt. I also believe I hate watching Nicole Roussevich with every ounce of being I have and I would not want him in any good team, so I don't know how to feel about this. Well, I'll tell you how to feel. Even LeBron James has missed a shot.

Okay. You know, Tiger Woods is missed a putt. People mess up. And if this ends up being a mistake from Brad Stevens, I think that that's very fair, considering everything that we've seen from Butchavits over the past couple years. I think for this specific season,

you knew that you were going to trade assignments. You knew that you needed some more reinforcements on your front line and your big room. And if you think that you have an actual chance to make a run, Yeah, let's just go get another body and it's fine. Yeah, I think this is essentially a swapping of six men. You feel like your guard depth is good. So you can lose Simons and replace him with a stretch five who gives you what you got

from look at Garza this year, but a little bit better, a little bit better spacing, which is a good space here. That's what he'll do. He's having a good shooting season. You know, like once every count, once every presidential election he has one good shooting season, that's this year. You'll probably continue to start to me as Kada and have that vertical space you've got with him and have a stretch five to give you a different look that maybe they can play together, swap in different. matchups. Yeah. Fine.

How do you feel about this Vesels? Are you more or less confident? Y'all are tripping, man. I've been saying before the trade deadline, give me zero back and give me a better center, better center than the Mias Keda. And we are back in the finals, man. This is not better than Mias Kada.

The Mias Kada is better than Vosovic. All right, man. I think it's just because we've seen Vucevic in like first or second option roles. But I think similar to when Porzingis came onto the team, it is a completely different responsibility and Vucevich being a fourth, fifth option on this team, I think that's a completely different thing. Yeah, it is a different role for him playing off. Like, that's the thing.

It's hard to envision how he's going to play just because the Celtics are so good at maximizing their players that they fixed many a broken player that people think would never be good. Like the opinions of Anthony Simons weren't exactly glowing coming into this year. And what do they do? They make him shoot a lot of three. They have in good position. They iron out some of the kinks. They don't do that, do this.

And all of a sudden, wow, Simons is being surprised. surprisingly good. If you tell me they do the abusive vision, to make him a high volume three point shooter, make him a cannon from three space in the floor, get him good shock quality that he makes 38% of them. It could work. Why not? Yeah. And if it doesn't, boo-hoo, who cares? He's an expiring contract and it doesn't matter. You can wash your hands from that flyer at the end of the day. But I do, I am like moved to believe it'll work to some capacity and it'll be better than what they were before. Basically going off of what you just said, they run a strict program over there in Boston. You are going to follow exactly what the

play style is and you're going to his role is going to be diminished of course for the betterment of the team going to screen hard he's going to grab more rebounds I'm sure he's going to be more wise and when it comes to his positioning defensively and all that this this works this is a win another win for them yeah someone I want to let you know be so's if you want to be a crayon eater you have to be aware that there is like initiation that has to take place there is a commencement and off camera we will be hazing Stole crayons out of it. Okay.

So don't be too happy. We got, it was like a 256 pack, mind you? Mad crayons in the bed. It's a lot of crayons. A lot of crayons. How many crowns can you eat per minute? How about that? I've never tried it.

I wish I could give you an answer, but a per minute basis is ridiculous. Per 36. Just tested my career high the other day, 57. Wow. For the Bulls, they trade up in the second round. Cool. And they get another young guard that has some promise. Maybe they can flip him down the line.

Actually, no, he's expiring too, isn't he? Yeah, he's expiring. So maybe they like him and they want to keep him around. We'll see. It guess it's a gamble on a younger player, similar to the John of the Camingo tryout. We'll see if they like him. If not, he walks. You move up in the second round.

You get a premier second round pick now. I believe that's the Pelicans, remember correctly? Second round pick, the Bulls traded. Yeah, I'm not 100% sure. For the Bulls, though, it is cool, though, because it makes sense because they've been shipping out the guards that they've had anyways. So you just get some more, some more. guard debt something that feels a little bit fresher.

They're going to have so much money in the offseason for like no reason. I think they're going to have like $50 to $70 million or something crazy like that. To do what? To spend it on nothing. Is this even a strong free agency class? No. This is strong free agency class? No, we know it's not.

It's an old free agency class specifically. It's actively not a strong free agency class. That's why most teams in this deadline are going out and trading and getting winning out pieces because they're like, what the fuck am I going to do in the summer with this money? It's really going to be the Nets and the Lakers is the only teams that have size of little money. What's the plan with the Bulls, man? I just, I just want to know, man.

I don't know. Wake up, Huff Glue. Go back to sleep. Something like that. If it's not glue, it's, I don't know, whatever their choice of is. We need a song of a revolution here. In Chicago?

Yeah. I don't know. We don't live far from the United Center. Nah. We can be there in 20 minutes. That'd be all right. Chicago's a cool city. They got out of the things to do there and watch a bowl's games.

I don't know. the winter. It would be nice. The Bulls are good. It would be. But then you got to go ahead and pay for like the Bulls subscription. Oh, you're right. No one wants to do that. It's a pain in the ass to watch Bulls games here. Exactly. Okay. So, I don't know. See all around. It's fine. It's a trade. You lose nothing. It's a trade. It's the trade. Y'all will see. Y'all will see. Yeah. Y'all see, man. Nicole O'Housovich. I hope y'all go out in the first round so badly, man. I'm praying a downfall I'm also

I'm also praying the downfall I would love for them to beat the Knicks in the first round actually they can't play in the first round but I'd love to beat the Knicks and then go outside that'd be the funny Selkham That'll be so wildly embarrassing

The Celtics still smoking the Knicks That'll be hilarious I just want to beat the Knicks I ain't going to lie I need to make the finals Last year was embarrassing Let the pisses make the finals It's okay

Give them the chance to get their feet wet They're not doing that I don't know Unless they do something today Which we still haven't heard anything about the beginning. They've done a little bit. We'll get to that.

Please. Next trade up to grade. The Dallas Mavericks are trading 10-time NBA All-Star Anthony Davis, Jaden Hardy, DeAngelo Roussel, and Dante Exum to the Washington Wizards for Chris Middleton, A.J. Johnson, Malachi Branham, Marvin Bagley, the third, two first-round picks and three second rounders. I heard a whole lot of nothing, man. Those two first-on picks?

A whole lot of nothing. One is the OKC's pick from this year, going to be 30. And one is the worst of, like, three teams. probably going to be bottom 10. This trade was done, so the Mavericks and looked their fans in the eyes and said, we got three first round picks for Luca Donchich, purely maximizing how many first round picks are on paper.

This is essentially AJ Johnson, two terrible picks, three second rounders. Might as well be five second rounders. And I said to you guys before the camera started, I cannot believe Anthony Davis, NBA 75 player, one of the greatest power forwards, greatest big men of all time,

got traded to the Washington Wizards and no one. Nobody gives a damn. I care. I care a lot. I think that the Wizards Clap it up, Wizards FC, we're back. Wait, I thought you were Hornets FC.

No, I was always Wizard's Fis. Okay, okay. For a moment, I kind of switched the Hornets because Con was out here hooping, but we're back on Wizards FC. We've got to jump him. And this is nice, though, because like we said with the Jazz,

I don't care how broke you are. Be a buyer. Yeah. Go out and make your team competent when you have been so bad and a truly embarrassing team for the league to show to the world. Going out and getting Trey Young this year, going out and getting Anthony Davis to pair alongside Tsar, to pair alongside Trey Johnson, Kishon George. It's like now I'm looking at that team and it's the best kind of team that you want outside of like a championship team, which is quote unquote. Fun team. Yep.

Are we going to win a lot of games? Maybe not, but we're going to be interesting. Yeah. And it's going to happen in that way. I'm very happy for the Wizards. I love this trade for the Wizards so much simply because they don't lose anything for real at all. That means anything to their future. And then on top of that, too, the ceiling can be, I'm not going to say so high, but it wouldn't surprise me next year.

If we're looking at the Wizards and it's like, oh shit, like they're a seventh, eighth seed in the Eastern Conference. That could be due to the state of the Eastern Conference. or to how good they are considering Alex Arr and the prospect that he's been growing into and A.D. and Trey Young being competent as well. You don't sacrifice any young players. You still have Trey Johnson. Kishon George has been ascending slowly in front of our eyes.

And on top of that, too, like, yo, they could be actually building one of the most scariest defensive backwards in the entire league in Alexar and A.D. Come down a little bit there. That's kind of crazy. Calm down a little bit there. I'm up. I can't see.

Yeah. I agree. I'm a fan. I agree. Everything you guys said is true. It's also like, man, that's the best case scenario. If everything goes great, everything you said is awesome, AD's body's giving up on him.

And I don't think it's a coincidence that a team that's not trying to win a title is a team that traded for him. I know a lot of people probably think, okay, a superstar player that's injured all the time. You have to just hope and pray you get a good injury outcome for him. Probably makes the most sense for a contending team and take that bet. Because if the bet hits, they can potentially win a championship, right? No.

I think the bet is so bad now because his body's falling apart so bad that, no, actually. Only a team with very little to play for should make that bet because if it hits, it's gravy. If it doesn't hit, we're not really putting all of our eggs in that basket. So I'm kind of at the point where I sadly just feel like 80s fading into obscurity just because he probably will never stay healthy. Even when he's healthy, he's not quite the same. He can't move quite the same. The defense isn't quite as intense as it once was. So, like, yeah, hopefully he can slowly transition into a second stage of his career next to trading.

next all these young guys and kind of like fit in with all them and be not as much of a top 10 player but still really good there and it can go well if he is still a great defender him and sar can be special kind of just feels like it's going to be a ugly middle ground in reality though yeah and if it is they don't bro they have to pay someone Alexar is a second year player he's not getting no extension any time too soon same for Qishan george as well trade Johnson's a rookie they're just paying tray and AD you have you lose nothing yeah I just feel like ultimately like what did they give up, right? Like, they didn't give up, Trey.

Well, obviously, they weren't going to give up Trey. They didn't give up any of their young assets. And then even in terms of their picks, they didn't give up any of their own draft picks. All of those picks were from other teams' picks. So ultimately, I think it's a, it is a worthwhile gamble. They're going to have the best defensive front court for 30 games. Exactly.

Yeah. I can't get too hype about it because most of these games, Alex Tsar is going to play center still. And it's going to be him and Trey Young. Kishon George. You got two dudes who don't want to play center playing together. Just having attitudes. Low key though, I kind of like that.

If you're going to have a tweeter, get another one. It's had two mobile guys who do all this weird stuff and kind of like can pend-doss their way into being one really good center. Like, yeah. I'm not wrong with that though. One more year of AD injuries, he's in the same conversation with Porzengis, man. I think you're just trading for the idea of AD at this point. Exactly.

That's why I'm not too hype. Why I like it on paper, but like I do feel like we're already there with AD. That like, we are. but that's why like the Warriors training for Posing is dumb because you're trying to because ideally you think that you're in this window where you're trying to maximize Steph Curry. We're still trying to figure out if we could be a competent NBA team. Last three years, 15 wins, 18 wins, we just have 13 wins right now.

You get as many good plays. Clearly the people that we have in the door are not good at basketball on an NBA level. So let's let's get actual people who I know are better than the ones we have right now. Can we get back to where we were three years ago? And this is extremely sad for Wizards fans. Can we get back to the good old days when we were winning 35 games with Bradley Beale? Can we get there? Why do you want to get there?

That's a disgusting sentence. Would you rather win, like, in terms of building something, would you rather win 15 games or would you rather win 35? 15. Are you fucking kidding me? 15. You're in a butt. No. I want to go from 15 to 40 or 45.

You want to win 15 games for five years. in a row, seven years in a row. Okay, so I get your point, and you eventually get competent, like we said with the jazz, I get your point. It makes sense with Jaron Jackson because you already have two other players

that, like, wow, it's like a low-key, like three all-star team, we could be a playoff team. Like this, like, accelerating in this matter. You can do that in the Eastern Conference. I guess. Yeah. But Jaron Jackson plays games. Anthony Davis doesn't.

Can't take George is ascending. Trey Young is doing the opposite. The ceiling isn't anywhere close to being as good. To your point, I think this is a 35-win type of move. And that does not move me. In any sense, 15 to 35 game moves do not move me. If I can get to 35 wins, when I know that AD, like, I'm not building this so that the 35 wins can be my pinnacle in the same way that like the Bulls always are.

But Trey Young and Anthony Davis, there are two pieces that can help me get there because the real core of my team is still super young and I'm still developing. And I would much rather my young core, my true. True, true young core develop while we have an opportunity to win some games as opposed to, hey, you guys, we're just going to roll the ball out and we're going to play 82 games because that's what's in our schedule. We're just going to call it development. And let's actually try and win some games and be into meaningful situations.

And then whenever you guys get into years three, four and five, now whenever we're in the playing, if you're in like a linear progression, this isn't the first time that you've actually played for anything with any type of stakes. I get that part. That part I understand. That part I like more is that Trey can be good a playmaker. AD can be a good big man, allow the guys in between them to develop better. But my question is AD wants to be extended like now.

And that's kind of one of the reasons you left the Mavericks. Are you going to? Yeah. Give them a short little like two year extension. How long are you going to though? Depends how long? Yeah, for how long for money? Like do I want to give AD?

Because he has one more year on top of this, I think. And he wants an extension on top of that. Three more years after this for, what would you, 40 million a year? Maybe you can get? Yeah. I sure. Why not? No, I don't know if I can do three.

Well, because you already is one. So an extension would make it three if he wants two more years. I'll do that. I can give you an extension for two years. That right around, like lands around where they are going to have to extend someone like Alexar. And at that point, at that point in time, yeah, why not? We got to pay somebody again.

No free agents are coming here at all. Make it work. Derek Peterson alone is adding 10 wins next year. That's the main thing. Is it going to get a top five pick potentially? And like, I don't know. I just, I'm not anti it at all. I'm just not quite as like excited

just because the downside is so real and I think the ceiling is so limited that I'm like, it's fine. I'm the type to sell myself on any fucking dream, but I am delusional as can be. That's what I'm getting at. Is everybody selling themselves the best case in error for this?

And I'm in comparison to the jazz thing. The best case scenario is so much more likely to happen for the jazz and it is the Wizards. I think for the Wizards, I'm, I'm more happy just on the, on the process. I truly, and I understand it, I truly, truly hate tanking and just like,

Oh yeah, we're just going to wander in the woods for five years and just be bad and we'll see what happens. And for teams that historically have not been good at drafting, obviously from the inside, you, from the inside, you feel like a gambler where you're like, bro, my next draft pick is going to hit. My next one is going to be the one that's going to save the franchise. But on the outside, we can look at the Wizards. We can look at the Kings, all these other teams and be like, bro, you don't know how to evaluate talent. You don't know what to do with that first round pick. And so, you know what to do all that. You don't.

You don't. And so. Too much motion. And so like, like, I think for the wizards, like, this is a good step forward to try and play, play the middle where you can still get the benefits of being one of the bottom teams, but also still having something for your young players to grab onto as they're developing. Yeah. End of the day, they traded Jordan Poole and, like, very minimal assets in the loop around to end up with Trey Young and Anthony. to each throne of your evaluation of those two stars they have two stars to give almost nothing so if you're going to give them benefit of the doubt and say okay it makes sense to take the gamble

these guys and try to get the best case that we're outlining that leads to good development for your players around them cool i'm just not too hopeful about the best case scenario but it does make sense as a gamble i'm going to give these guys a b sure yeah cool cool be for the wizards maves i'm going b plus yeah for the mavs i mean you got three first on picks or lucid d'onsitch i guess lies. It's over. The most bullshit picks ever. I'm going to give you a D.

At least we can, I'm not going to say. At least we stop talking about it. We're never going to stop talking about it. At least you moved on to the next chapter. What trade should we talk about next? Let's do, okay,

this is another quick one. Kobe White is on the Hornets. That's random. They traded Kobe White and Mike Connolly to the Charlotte Hornets for Colin Sexton, Ujuman Dang, and three second round picks. When they signed Colin Sexton this summer,

he said, okay. Six-man guard that can play with and without Lamello, give you another slasher. That's neat. That's a nice little compliments. A culture guy. Yeah, culture guy, Colin Sexton.

He'll smack the floor. Young bull. Yeah. He's been shipped out for Kobe White, who is like on the Pokemon evolution, it goes Colin Sexton, then Kobe White. Then who's the third version of that? Donovan Mitchell. They're the same archetype of like score for his guards that can do some slashing.

Yeah. Better version of Sexton. Got to pay him. A little weird to me that you have Con and you have Lemello. I guess you're going to pay Kobe White. It's like a six man. It's a lot of money. That's a lot of offense on that team.

Yeah, it's a little weird. Like, he's a good player and like it's cool to have a good six man. I don't know what the contract demand is going to be. I'm assuming they're doing this to keep him. Just a little weird. Yeah, but, you know, not bad process. I'm surprised that no one else wanted to, like, give up anything for Kobe White. Honestly.

These small guards have a sticker on them that say not worth it. Kobe White's not small. He's not small. He's six four. He's not, he's kind of slender. He's not small. He's six four. medium guard but he's not a i think people say small guards too we loop in like non-defenders and like

non-passers like that i can yeah i think that's kind of the sphere of small guards he's like one-way score for his guards were you right he's not the shortest guard he's not tri young or anything not exactly big in the ways that impact the game so i think he's kind of getting looped into that i don't know about that but i'm just when this happened i do know about that it's clear he doesn't defend doesn't rebound is what do you mean he doesn't do any big things you got you got you got no first for him and you got Colin Sexton who got like nobody nobody cares about Kobe White right now

which is crazy it's shocking but you told me the piss is going to do this come on man I'm listen I agree they probably they probably could have did that but we've seen for the last two two and a half years now everybody who plays like Kobe White

the league is saying you can't be you are not a winning player and like and you can be you can be on my team if we don't have finals aspirations right if we're still in a in a rebuilding type of type of way like the hornets where we're getting our culture up we're playing fun basketball we're scoring we're outscoring everybody yeah let's just get more people who can score the basketball but if the hornets decided in the off season like if they finish out the season super super strong and they're like you know what we're buyers we're going to go for it we want to be a competent team

Kobe white's going to be the first person that they try to trade to bring in somebody else who they feel it fits winning basketball. And it sucks because Kobe White is cool. And whenever we get to March, he's going to score 30 a game. But I just don't know for the rest of the league. Unless you're going to put him in that specific box, I don't know what it is. The Hornet essentially flip, Yus of Nurkich, who they got a first for taking on with some seconds for Kobe White. That's the, okay, cool.

If he's your six man, I understand it. you're having this offensive system that is very three-point oriented. They're doing a lot of the Celtics DNA stuff. And you have multiple ball handlers at all times that can attack, create, pass the ball, keep it moving, run in transition. Kobe White does all that. He's not a non-shooter. So in any of those bench lineups, you take out one of Khan, LaMello, or Brennan Miller. He can fit with all of them.

So the on-the-court fit makes sense to me. I just don't know if I'm going to understand if they inevitably have to give him $25 million this summer. Yeah. And that right there makes me feel a little bit dietic. I see because I don't know if I'd want to commit that level of money to someone who isn't additive in terms of like our weaknesses and fulfilling like certain things that we desperately need. Yeah. Because in between guys, defense, more defenders and all that. I guess they view him as like their nose read who's also like a one way scoring guy that like fits with all their players for all the similar reasons just from a big man position.

It's not a sure. Yeah. I guess. But like I think in closed games with Kobe White ever if they're healthy. Maybe because those guys are never healthy. So they're getting another ball in the mix. That could be the rationale. Yeah, like at the end of the day, I don't think this is a bad trade at all. They deserve like a simple, like, I'm not going to finish. I'm not going to say A because it's Kobe White, you know, but in terms of the process, which you gave up, this is a cool B. Now, I'm not going to lie, y'all. There's a trade that I've been, I'm surprised you can talk about earlier enough, but it's one of my favorite trades. You guys should love this too. Dude, Jared McCain is on OKC now. Yes, let's talk about it. That is amazing. The Philadelphia 70s pictures are trading guard Jared McCain to the Oklahoma Sea Thunder for a 2026, Rockets first.

round pick and three second round picks all year. Been banging that motherfucking drum saying Sam Presti better find some shooting because I'm so sick and tired of watching lineups with Shea and four guys with no hands or feet on offense. It's been gross. He's had to carry so much offensive production and they've lost more games you would think because the offense has really fallen apart compared to last year. Jared McCain played 26 games last year. Phenomenal shooting season.

We thought he was one of the up-and-comers that maybe had an all-star ceiling. then the Sixers drafted several guys in his position, or drafted one, signed, traded for Quinn Grimes, pushed him out, he has some injuries, played like dog shit this year because of injuries. It's a gamble. Maybe he's not good.

Maybe last year it was a fluke. No, hold on. Time out, let me stop you right there because over the last few games, he's been turning up and he's been shooting ridiculous from the three point line. But I'm taking that gamble every time.

Let me shout to get that freaking year season. I'm going to, injuries make sense to why he slowed him down. I don't believe he sucks. I believe he needed time. This is an amazing gamble to take for a, okay c maybe he can't close games because the defense is always bad because he's small who cares we we get 20 minutes a game of a sharp shooter potentially this is isaiah joe all over again from the

same franchise yeah i actually think it's a like this is it's a win-win trade i think i like this a little bit better for the sixers though okay knowing the first one picked the rockets will be like let's say 25 yeah and you turned you turned the what was we hit the 13th pick or he was i don't I think he was like a 17. Yeah, it was six. It was a lot of pick. It's post lottery. He was right before Connect.

So he was 16. 16. You turned the 16th pick in the draft last year into another first three second round picks. Like, when you know that you're not going to close games with him because you already have your back court of the future, that's really good for them. And it clears up that space. It gives a lot more order to your rotation. And you essentially, again, just replenish everything that you did last year.

I like it. And this is this is one of those moments, like you're talking about with, with Jerry Jackson of, hey, if you played a little bit more, maybe he, he taints his trade value. I feel like outside of trading Jared McCain in the off season,

right now, you're trading him at his highest value. Right. Potentially. The high, maybe you think it's going to get lower. Yeah, potentially. I'm just saying based on,

and if you want to, if you want to ascribe it to the fact that he's been hurt or that he has this really weird spot in the rotation. Cool. I'm down to believe that. I like Jerry McCain. If you don't and you think that whatever he showed us last year was the high end, high end of what he's doing,

then you can look at this and say, we got really, really good value for McCain. For the Sixers, I really like it. This is potential to be like game changing for the Oklahoma City Thunder. Like this could be, if he goes back to what he was playing and the trajectory he was on as a rookie,

this could be amazing. Like we were talking about him as one of the best offball relocation shooters we've seen in recent years coming into the lead that young, the first child of Steph Curry in terms of how he passed and move without the ball and had the quick trigger shooting off of the off ball movements. That is everything you want in a guard next to Shay Gilbert Alexander and J-dub. If he gets back that level and can defend well enough with the archetypes around him, the defensive players that can hide him and really make him be not a high responsibility type of defender

as a lead guard type of defender, this could unlock so much for the Oklahoma. city offense. Yeah, yeah, I 100% agree. Now this alleviates the stressors of having to relay on baseball. You're still going to rely on that. But it feels super nice to go into the game and not having to rely on guys like Kason Wallace being your fourth best shooter on the team or fifth best shooter on the team on a night to night basis, you know? What this really is is is you have two AJ Mitchells. You can rely on to be there. AJ Mitchell, when they have him this year, they're dominant. When he's not there, they get their teeth kicked in on offense.

Now he gets hurt a lot, kind of. So now we have insurance. We have two of. small guards that can shoot and ball handle and give us that. We just need one of them to be healthy and shit can be competent. And anybody, yeah, really anybody just needs to do that. And if they are going to be able to unlock the version of Jeremy Kane that we saw last year, the one who could create, the one who was super confident in late game situations, obviously you're not going to need that because you have Shay. Yeah.

But somebody who can, who can hold it down, that's fantastic. I also saw, according to the Zodiac GM, he fits perfectly with all, with all of the Zodiacs is an A plus. The synergy is fantastic. I'm about to say something similar to that. The Zodiacs might fit. Can we say the quiet part out loud, the elf in the room?

Culturally, this is the best fit for Jeremy Kane in the NBA. Going to the happy, go lucky, smile, TikTok dance team as a happy go lucky smile TikTok dance player. This is awesome. San Presti knows a locker room he has and he knows they will be the ones

to maximize Jeremy Kine and make him comfortable. This is awesome. They're going to be doing the little post-game pressers together and he's going to be there, Shimian, with the rest of them. This is amazing. At worst, he is new gen campaign for the Thunder. Pretty much.

Pretty much. Hey. No, he could be the ones saying, he's so tough. Whatever, She said something. The TikTok edits are going to go dumb, bro. I saw one today of all the edits of all the OKC players. Yeah. Shea is lucky that he's so serious and it changes PR so much.

Those Ricky years Shay dances when he had the fucking hair, the Duke hair, crazy. He was moving. They are moving away as I didn't think were possible for someone. of that size all smiley now he's on nonchon line never smiles yeah different guy it was like one tic-tok away from doing the take you down dance by this is so good for jeremy mcane you can't squeeze ever rotation philly's a mean place to live i i okay so you go there it's it's just dope yeah i i agree this could be one of those things where we look back in may june and if okay c goes back to back it has a lot to do with this this could define one of it'll be one of the few things it defines

the rest of the season, of course, J-Dubbs' health. I has Isaiah Hardinstein's back. If he's, you know, constantly healthy, that will change a lot for them too. But this right here moves mountains, and they're tremendously better compared to what they were. 10%. A plus for the X X or Stood, it was what?

Not going to go there. I think they sold a little too low, too quick. Too low too quick. I think they should have. I think you're overly glazing. You've been saying they had to move on. No, I know. That first one pick does not move me.

Like, that to me is not a premiere ass. What do you think they should have got? I would have read them. I think they should have been in the market for a player, hopefully, that, like, is of equal value. Because I think that's, I think we're going to look up a year and a half for now, two years from now and say, that's clearly plus value for OKC. I agree, but I think at the state of Jared McCain's career, the rest of the league don't look at him like that. And you're not getting that. I'm not sure that's the case.

I think most teams can understand patience to understand he had one injury. And last year was so magical that maybe you're right. I can't know. I think that, especially, you said, the past few games is playing a little better. I think just having a little bit more patience probably could have behoove them that, I'm not saying they get like multiple first-on picks, but a better first-run pick, or realistically, like,

either package him to get a better player in a bigger deal, trade him for another young player straight up, which doesn't happen a whole lot, so that's probably why that's hard, because most players, most teams have patience with their young players and don't look to move them. I can just very much imagine that a year from now,

you say they traded Jeremy McCain way too fast. After one slow start because he was injured, Quinn Grimes is going to walk this summer, then I'm even going to pay him, so the rotation spot's going to open up more this summer. This might look silly as fuck. And a lot of Sixers fans feel the same way, And I think they understand that they're going to feel that way.

You're from now and already feel the pain, already feel the grief, and they're right for it. But it's hard to even, it's hard to play Maxie McCain. It is. It is. And VJ, especially when you know that Embed, come late season, he may or may not be there. And so you're not really going to have a lot of situations where you're playing crunch time minutes, very, very meaningful minutes with those three on the floor. So it's like I think freeing up that space and

letting McCain go and honestly like this is what's best for him right now. That's my takeaway. That's it feels like the sixers that's best for Jerry McCain. Maybe they did. Maybe they liked the guy and they were like let this butterfly flourish. Maybe that's the case. He's so nice.

He's like we can't worry down. Yeah, I don't want to hurt his career. Let's go get him cook. That was my whole point. Why is he trade McCain? I was speaking for McCain. Not really for the Sixers. The Sixers are probably in the best position to say let's just have a really good six man and let that grow and that's okay to have a six man.

Everybody gets hurt these days. Having three guards is not the worst team construction in the world when they're all cheap. So I don't know. They didn't get enough for me to say this for sure made sense. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you in the long run overall.

I'm gonna give them to see honestly. I think that range of outcomes is pretty wide here. This could be an F in a year from now. But you could get just. I don't know. It depends on what they do get with that 2026. They are good. It seems to me that

over the last few years they've been like really good at drafting. So if they get a decent player, again, someone who's not comparable, but like it's additive to the roster in more ways than what Jeremy Kane was for this team and how they turn the next chapter. I give it an A overall. Good process. Also three second round picks is and nothing. They did, you know, their team that's on the maxi VJ timeline.

So getting a lot of picks isn't the worst case scenario. So I don't, I'm not saying it's going to be an F. I'm just saying if Jeremy McCain does like last year we were saying this time. We were all saying like all star potential would not be out of the realm of possibility for us. Obviously, that's high-end outcome. We're not predicting he's an all-star. But we all kind of felt like he was on one of the best role players in league timing. Yeah.

So it could look really terrible. I'm fucking crying, man. The Pelicans believe they are a playoff roster and are not interested in trading their young core per H.Pashie basketball. They're in the front office doing whippets. Doing whippets is nuts shit, right? No one's touchable is insane. And this is so wrong and inaccurate because, Joe Dumars is 65, like he's not, he doesn't know what whippets are.

He's doing straight crack. He's going old school. He's going old school. He has a set of five premium spoons. You know too much. Like this is, this is, this is ridiculous though for the, for the pelicans in like, and we've talked about it before. Their whole team, the whole org has moved so crazy and so delusional.

in everything of evaluating where you are in your timeline at literally every point this season, every single checkpoint draft free agency started at the season trade deadline, they look up and they look at the record and they look at the team and they say, we are here. And everybody says, no, you are there.

They have no idea what's going on. Yeah, yeah, Joe DeMarns is a senile. Chicago, Minnesota, Detroit have agreed to a multi-team deal that sends jaden ivy and mike connelly to the bulls and kevin herder and dario sarge to the pistons the jaden ivy thing has loomed over our heads for the past two years as the big x factor if jaden ivy can develop and give them a secondary ball handler fulfill the hope with him being the number five pig being a second star ball handler next to k a lot of things start making sense

we'll have some good release valves 4k with the second guy who can create shoot drive create opportunities for himself and others none of that happened the two-point shot developed fine you know solid great shooting a season last year before he got hurt, small sample size, still shooting well for three right now, if I remember correctly. I think he's like 37, 38. That's nice.

Has never once been an effective inside the arc score. Obviously not a defender or playmaker like that. Kind of the writing was on the wall that he's not the best K'd fit and the worst case scenario was coming to fruition. And now they send him out the door to bring in Kevin Heter and you have another spacer. Another Duncan Robinson

that's probably a little bit better of a defender than Duncan, not a whole lot better. But kind of just kind of giving up on Jay and Ivy. Yeah, this sucks to see. Jaden Ivy over the last few weeks, even his body language watching Pitchin's games just feels like, yeah, like, why is this guy here? And he doesn't just, it just wasn't a match made at all.

And something that bothered me personally is seeing how this is probably like the only move that they're going to do this trade deadline. What's going on? Shams just tweeted live, the Milwaukee Bucks have told teams they're keeping Janus through the deadline and we'll start making other trades. As expected. You got bills to pay, man. Exactly.

I want to put Yonis in the thumbnail so bad. I know. Me going with Yonis in a Warriors jersey? I'm getting rich tonight. Champs, if you may not have another tweet that contains Janice's name until the day he actually gets traded. Honestly, it said to start making other trades. Before we did press record, I did tell you that I saw Mark Stein retweeting tweets from

Jake Fisher. talking about how, oh, they're interested in someone like John Moran and they want to make something work, which could make sense, I guess. Please, please get Jamarant. Please be my fucking guess. They'll get John Morant to try to make Yonis stay. It'll make it that much funnier when they trade Yonis and are left with John Moran and KPJ. And if they do do that, you know, it's going to look like Kuz has to probably be out the door. And Bobby Portis as well, because he makes like $13 million.

And it's like a match made in heaven when it comes to the cap sheet and shit. But holy fuck. So what the fuck is your problem? Yo, I feel so bad for Milwaukee fans. Dude, they hate Shams. They hate Shams. It's so funny. It's so funny.

It's so funny. Because he's been drip feeding the Yonis Trades at the whole time, giving updates and all the little small minutia of how they're considering certain things. And in their mind, he's making shit up for clout. And a couple of things. One, this is precisely Janice's plan. Mm-hmm.

To have everybody hate Shams instead of him. Because he probably would have been traded. And to Shams in Shab's defense. he probably could have given us something actually substantial if Yonis had just stepped up and said, I want a trade and demanded that. So there's that. Also, to go back real quick on the JD and Ivy trade,

that's crazy where like the Pistons 100% could have gotten. I agree. They waited to one. I don't think they want Kobe Y. I think they clearly made it pretty clear. I think that they want either shooting her defense. Which is weird though because it's like you have in like in a vacuum. No, but like for your specific team.

You have that. You have defense. They just don't want to sacrifice that for a ball handler, which I do understand. Like we've been talking a lot about these guards not having value. But, dude, but that move being Kevin Heter at all guys who was like having the worst year of his career right now as we speak.

Now, of course, he has a reputation of being a good shooter. But in big moments, pay off moments, that's never been his forte. And you were still playing Jaden Ivory. So it's not like you were completely against the idea of having somebody who can be this like, this second day creator.

Obviously, they drafted him so they are, so they're more invested in him. But, like, you came into the season hoping that Jaden and Ivy K could continue doing what he was doing last year. You have one spot on your team for a guy like that. But clearly they don't want that guy. Clearly they don't want this type of guy as a point. And they don't want to sacrifice their identity. They made a lot of, they made clear that they're okay running it just what they have now.

This is not 2004. Like, you can't just have Cade out here with everybody else. Like, you should have somebody else who can do a hezied twin cross. Sure, but that doesn't got to be, that doesn't got to be Kobe White, though. Like, it's understanding. If the price is that low, that's what I'm saying is the price is that low and you're getting off of Jaden I. Fuck the price.

Anyways. It's okay to not want Kobe White next to a K period. It's okay to want your ideal. They want a guard, I'm sure. Right? Like, I'm sure they agree they want a ball handler. They just want him to also be good at other things. I'm probably waiting to pay a little more for one that's better potentially.

Like obviously, best case scenario would be a Derek White or something. Yeah. They just said if we're going to get a ball handler, we want one that fits off ball and doesn't have, that doesn't sacrifice our defense at all. But I think with the, what the issue is, is that I hope they do that. that, but to not do anything for real at that low of a price, which is not like inhibiting your future at all is disgusting. Yeah, no, I get it.

I understand rather waiting and doing nothing when you're the one seed and you feel good about the trajectory of your team. I don't, I would like to see them do something to give them a real chance of winning. They have made it clear they're okay with running this season in the playoffs, learning from it and seeing where they're going. I'm okay with them rather doing nothing than doing a half measure just because it's cheap. He's on, a lot of shit is cheap. He's on an expiring deal, so it's not even...

A lot of guys are cheap on expiring deal. So that alone doesn't make it a good fit. And that, but that's also why it's like you can take a chance and it's not, you're not making some massive investment if you were already, if you knew that Jaden Ivy wasn't going to work, you can get off of Jaden Ivy. You can get somebody else who's kind of still playing his role and is a little bit better. If it doesn't work out, cool, you're gone and we wash our hands and everything's fine. I will say three second round picks is and nothing.

A lot of these teams piss away second round picks. like they don't mean nothing, that's ammo. And if you're almost certain Kobe White, you're not going to pay him this summer because you don't like his fit with Cade. I'm not pissing away through your first on pitch. We'll see about the fit. We'll see about the fit.

We'll see about the fit. But I've seen Kobe White play before and I'm almost certain it's not the best backward partner for Cade. It could be a good six-man like they're doing in Charlotte, sure. But if they don't want to pay six-man $25 million, I also understand that part.

They don't pay them. They don't want to get them. Because you're the one seed right now with one of the best defenses in the NBA but Isaac he's gonna keep on talk about

it wasn't extrad we have to move on I think we probably disagree on a couple lines too man we have straight bullshit left now I'm not gonna lie

we have to talk about Chris Ball and always having the worst goddamn fair war tour of all time they shipped his ass to Canada

holy fuck bro they told you to go home and they go to Canada and they can't say no stay home fuck who wants him damn man fuck

is just the worst for a world tour of all time it has to be yes damn Yes. The Clippers, Nets, and Raptors have agreed on a multi-team trade, sending Chris Paul to the Raptors, and Akbaji, a 2032 second rounder and cash to the Nets. And a follow-up report was the Raptors will not require Chris Paul to report to Toronto.

Yo! We've been to get a third tweet of saying Chris Paul's announcing his retirement at the end of this. Just letting everybody know, I'm staying home on my own volition. They're not telling me that. I'm just going to retire at this point I don't feel like going So he's going to get bought out I guess We want to see him go like Mavs or some shit

Like Lakers I don't know Like sometimes he needs a point guard Cavs I don't know Like Amazon Prime No cats are honest I don't need a Amazon Prime Go to Peacock

Please make some content Be with John Wall or some I better see a blog up by the end of the week You see a get ready with me Get Ready for my day is a Delitz Marmarian Exactly. Yeah.

Now, for real, you need to start making training videos with Chris Paul. With the son. Yeah, man. Maybe sound with the Pelicans retire with their OG franchise. Oh, hell no. Hell no. There's like choosing to go to hell. Yeah.

Like, you have an option to stay home. Well, here's the thing, buddy. He's already in hell. This is horrible. No, no. He's at home. Like, he's for the last two months. Being at home when I said I want to do a farewell tour is worse than hell.

That is shame. That is being driven. No, we haven't thought about Chris Paul in two months since we got all of the jokes out because it was the secondary farewell tour. And then if he came out and then said, you know what? I got one more in me. I got half a year left. I'm going to go play with the Pelicans. If I'm your son, you hate me.

You clearly don't want to be around this. The Chicago Bulls have traded Ayu Dissumu to the Minnesota Timberwolves. This moves me. I don't know if we got to see there's a follow-up to what they traded him for it. But, you know, the

Timberwolves freed up all that space when they traded Mike Connolly and got no players back. They were trying to get Janus. That clearly didn't work out. So they pivoted and got a guard that isn't the like point guard that we talk about wanting for them

next to Anthony Edwards. But is like a, you know, like a Keon Ellis type, better ball hand than Keon Ellis, but like a good offball player that's like a medium size, six five guard. is a good defender, not needle mover, can shoot well, not an amazing shooter, but it's a well-rounded

play off, on-ball, a little bit type of player. Yeah. You can never hurt to have that type of guy. He feels like very adjacent to someone like Nikila Alexander Walker. Yeah. Who's like, Nikila's a better shooter, but he's shooting like 37, 38% from three on like four or five attempts a game. He's a great defender as well, at least point of attack defenders specifically.

They're like right back to what they were. I mean, they're better than they were last year, I guess, technically speaking, at this point in time of the season. but I like this. It moves me and makes them better at the end of the day. And this is one of those deals

where when we when we had our trade episode I wanted the timos to make this very specific deal. I wanted them to go out and get Iowa. What's the Minnesota traded

Rob Dillingham, Leonard Miller and four second rounders for Ayo and Julian Phillips. And this is good. This is good. You have...

They hate picks, man. They don't give a fuck about picks. They throw them out left and rights. It's a lot of second rounders. And you give up on Rob Dillingham which right is on the wall.

Like it is what it is. That's sick, man. Leonard Miller never played a fucking meaningful minute for them. That was a development project that was stuck in development forever. This is good. I think in the in the playoffs, you know your rotation and you're going to keep, you're going to keep a front line with with Jaden, Julius Randall, Naz, and Gobert. And you can still keep that size and still keep that part of your team's identity.

And if the same thing that happens, if the same thing happens this year, as last year, maybe we get a series where for three games, Terran Shannon goes crazy. And we go into next year saying, this is the year for Terran Shannon. But you still maintain a guy who's bigger than 6-2 and is able to play. Yeah, what are the Bulls doing? They tried for so many guards. They love guards.

They love guards and they found the smallest one they can, the one that fits the worst with all the other cards. I'm not going to lie. I think the league needs to conduct an experiment. You know how sometimes, at least this happened in my school, teachers would be evaluated and they would like the vice principal would show up in your class and just like evaluate how your teachers doing

and like seeing if the kids are engaged and all that would happen damn every single year at least when I was in elementary to like middle school whatever that needs to happen for the Chicago Bulls someone from the league office needs to be a parent it needs to make an appearance in one of their Monday morning meetings and see what the fuck they're actually doing they're not doing none who what are they planning on doing like Josh Giddy and like I said RJ Knivey next to him

fucking sure, I guess. Rob off the bench. Rob's six man. And then like four other... It's just a bunch of guys who are just finding their identity. What are they doing? Who's their big? Who's their big?

Mac McClough is their big. No. Mac Mac MacLung is their big. No, we're playing Josh Giddy at point center. Yo, I forgot Josh Giddy's still there. Holy fuck. He's the biggest one by far. He's six, seven.

Oh, man. The Bulls are going to be so interesting to watch. Yeah, make you ready to speak power forward. No, they're not. Interesting to watch. Yeah, because it's like, look at you. cute guy thinking you have a chance. All right. You know, you.

You know, they just had Mac McClung three hours ago. Why they did all this? Why do they do that? You didn't have to do that. What are they doing? You already know what's about that. They've been to get audited. Check the numbers at him.

Yo, that would make the most sense in the world. If it came out that, what's the name of the GM again? Or present basketball operation is the foreign name? I don't even know that. I can't remember how to say it. Yeah. If it comes out that he's a money laundering. this whole time.

Amen. A lot of shit would make sense in the world. Are they? Arturists? No, no. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it's a combo

because they've had mad deals together. But more likely Bulls or kings to be called money laundering. Bulls. The kings are just dumb as fuck. The bulls,

the bulls have to be doing some kind of mischievous acts. Okay. Yeah. The kings are just stupid as fuck. Like, they're just dummies. They're just not intelligent guys working up in the office.

The bulls are clearly corrupt. We clearly have an issue on our hands. And the Attorney General of the state needs to get involved. Okay, what do we have left? Tice Jones got traded the Hornet. I won't give you any thoughts on that. Who cares?

Y'all just know how bad he's been playing. Tice Jones? Yes. Yeah, trust me. We've been talking about Tice Jones a lot. Tice Jones is horrible. He is horrible. Pull the stats up.

What would they look like? Oh, please. Okay, before you do that, Cleveland Cavaliers have traded Lanzobal to Utah Jazz. Can you pull up a Basel Reference comparison of Tice Jones and Lanzo ball this This is disgusting That'd be real funny Those are two of the worst

Players named after We are the first We're the first people We ever do that No one's ever Compared to the stats ever No one's ever

No one's ever had that like thought process To do that For what? Oh my God So yeah Quick lightning round

Tyos Jones Traded too I forgot the name of who I said Who traded Who's Ty Jones have now? I think it's on

the Hornets Hornets Tys Jones traded to the Hornets Cool Lanzobal ball waved by the jazz after being

traded there Damn Tough The Lanzo ball thing just didn't work at all Damn, I didn't know Lonzo was playing this bad too. Dude, the cast fans wanted him out of there immediately.

He was so fucking ass. 30% from the field. What is that, full point, four point six, four point six points? 27% from three. I saw someone say that Lonzo ball didn't score a single rim field goal this season for the Cavaliers. That can't be true. I got to look into that.

That's insane work. Let me go to clean the glass and see what percentage of his shots came at the room. Dude, with how. much he defraining shots and wanting to be a pass first player but it gets to a point to where yo like you're wide open and you decide to pass as someone who's not open you're fucking up our place you're fucking up our flow no i think he did score a shot oh this is a percentage of his points of the room let me go to accuracy because let's see what's talking about no they're wrong because it says 56% of the room he made 10 and this is within four feet of the basket maybe those are

all four foot shots and some websites qualified as three feet maybe there's a four foot floaters. Nevertheless, 41% effective focal percentage. I've never seen this in my life. Zero with percentile.

That means worse in the league. I've, zero with percentile? Is that how you say it? Zero. Zero. Zero.

Zero. Zero. Zero and percentile. Longs are you creating new terms for you, buddy. It's been that bad. What's going on, man?

Wow. Zero percent from long mid. And this is unfortunate. Look at this. This is 21. 22 when he was fantastic with Chicago, 56% effective focal percentage. The next year is three years later.

He was MIA for a long time dealing with those injuries when you couldn't stand up. And now it's just depressing. Stephen A. Smith's the check ass, man. He said that he could stand up. That's so sick. And then Lousa had a lot of him on camera.

And the whole time, he stood up. He said, actually. Yeah. I know, it looked very difficult when he did it too. It wasn't exactly smooth. Did he do it by himself with the weight or with a kettlebell? Oh, I think he was like, I remember opponent something. I might just be lying.

That's so sick, bro. Either way, it wasn't exactly athletic, the way he stood up. Wow. Yeah, man, RP to Limezzo. Trade with the second round pick for Luke Kinnard. Luke Kinnard is one of the more frustrating squares to watch. He's a whatever defender, right? We all know that.

But he's a good shooter. He's having one of the best three-point shooting years, like in the NBA, dare I say NBA history. Yeah, he's like Kevin Hurder. He don't take, not even, he don't take threes. He don't take enough threes. Exactly. He's like Kevin Herder, where Kevin Hurd gets to the playoffs every year and people

defend him a little more hard. And he's like, stop touching me. And she's like 29%. Like, yo, can I- Luke can't-Arter is so selective with his threes. It's so nasty. And, you know, Gabe Vincent. I have to keep that percentage.

He's trying to keep a job. Exactly. Gabe Vincent was one of the worst players in NBA this year. A couple weeks ago, I told you he was shooting 20% from two when I brought it up. Yeah. Oh, you're lying to me, bro. I will check to see that's still the case. Yeah, you're lying.

I don't know if he got better or not. It had to have gone better. That's like a ridiculous number. Can you zoom in for you, B, souls? Yeah. What is he shooting from two? Please, you're lying to me. He is currently shooting.

25% from two now. We're up. Yep, yep, we're up. 25.9% from two. No, we'll say, though, he would jack some threes. So that was nice to have that quick release shooter. Didn't go in this year. So that's a problem.

So Luke and Hart, don't go in. He just will not jacked him at all. But, Luca Donchich will create wide open looks, and he will shoot those hopefully. The Bron will make sure he's getting them bitches up. You're correct. So he's better than Gabe Vincent.

A second round pick, fine. I guess you had to do something other than Gabe Vincent for that salary slot because J.J. Redick is in love with him and continue to play him no matter what because he tries hard. He had a strange, strange obsession with Gabe Vincent. Now he was forcefully removed from the rotation. Forcibly removed. It was like money ball whenever the coach wouldn't bench the first baseman.

He wanted to start Giambi. and then he had to trade him and the coach was all pissed that's gay that's jay redick right now that's fucking i have final personnel decisions and rappling because like nope that's fucking nasty bad i still can't believe that's the same um gave vincent that was cooking my seltics man

neither can i because mitzian gave him $11 million a year and he turned into a fucking garden gnome can you click on his playoff stats because he has the average over 10 in a regular season oh my 12.7 points per game in the playoffs in 2020.

Shot 38% from three. And they- 14% next year, last year's playoffs, or two years ago playoffs and 30%. Every year of his career that he shot and played meaningful amounts

of threes, he has shot sub-average, except for the one year he was up for a contract extension that my brilliant GM gave him the full mid-level exception. He took 11 shots again. Shot 40% from the field,

but he was knocking down threes. Rob Plinko, you're so smart. He got Luca. What a good guy. He's so smart, dude. Mark Walter is definitely looking at him and being like, that's who I want to run my team I just bought.

I'm confident in that. So yeah, your team not only got Jonathan Camingo, you also got Gabriel Vincent. Dude, my team is so fucking weird, man. You got the cum bucket and Gabriela. How do you feel? Gabriela's crazy. Better times are ahead.

Jalen Johnson will fix every. going. Quinn Snyder, are you a fucking man or mouse? What's going on, man? He's a mouse. He's Stuart Little. We'll see what's going on. He's been telling you for a decade. He's a mouse. Have all these goddamn wings on our team. Corey Kisperin. John Nick Minga.

Zacharyce says, Stoherst. Right, right. So much of weirdness. The lightning round continues. We're doing this live. It's 11.20 p.m. Central Standard Time. We have a new bone-chilling trade. The Boston Celtics are trading Chris Bouchet to the Utah Jazz. No other details. They just threw them away.

shout to the jazz man we're out here being buyers shams right before this shams tweeted out that the Milwaukee bucks made a trade too with I think you thought jazz or something like that I real question

what do why are teams making these like subpar trades like what's the real like idea behind us? Yonis look at us doing things look at us we don't want to eat our vegetables so we're pushing around the plate to make a little hole in the middle so my mom thinks I ate my vegetables but I really just like shoved it underneath the macaroni that's them the Milwaukee bucks

have agreed to trade Cole Anthony and Amir coffee to the Phoenix sons for Nick Richards and Nigel Hayes Davis. So they got competent big that can grab rebounds and Nick Richards You shouldn't just eat the vegetables instead of one with the macaroni. Now you got this big old pot. He's like, so a bunch of mush.

Like you think your mom's an idiot. She's not going to tell you moved it around. Like she made the plate. She's like, how'd you get more macaroni? Hey, I have to be honest, it's just like Nick Richards? Okay. I guess. Fuck.

Hey, listen, Miles Turner doesn't grab rebounds. Nick Richards does. On the phone talking about Nigel Hayes Davis, man. Get off my line. I can't tell you one. You're finding strength,

Nigel Hayes Davis. I don't know. Get off my line. It's over. Stop playing with my phone, bro. This is one of the trades of all time. I'm not going to lie.

Cole Anthony for Nick Richards, exactly even. Amir coffee from Nigel Hayes Davis? Probably even. I don't know. Oh, that's funny. Oh, man. What else we got in this lightning round?

Is there any other deals left in this dock that happened so far? Anything of relevance? Is that every trade that's happened? Okay, I think that might be all of them. So if I'm not missing anything as I check through, I think it's time for us to take a quick break for us to fast forward until 2 p.m. where we record once again to address any other trades

that happened by the time this happens now. And oh, nope, I almost forgot one. Thank God I did not. Bone-chilling trade again. Gershawin Yabuselli swapped for day. And then, man, thank you for your service, brother. Got to sign Yabuselli. The Bulls didn't get a guard.

They got a wing, you're right? A smaller wing, I think, right? He's like 6.6. And he's, he's pretty skinny, too. Yeah, yeah. Like, he's not, it's not like. Yeah, he's skinny. A stopper.

But it's a guard, it's a wing. Hey, man, more diversity. Okay. Oh, well, I was thinking, for some reason, I was thinking the bulls got Dal and Terry. They forgot they're saying, no, they got big ass girls showing Yabouselie. Yeah, yeah. Big ass Yabousel.

I was thinking about Dailantair. I got it backwards. What do you say? Nah, I say, have y'all seen? Nah. No, say, I can't. Wait, what you say? Speak your mind.

Have y'all seen how thick Yavicella is? You sound amazed right now. Yo, bro. You're mad thick. Were you like taking notes? No, no. Like, you're trying to like I'm trying to get like Gershon? You know those memes of Zion?

Like, when they blow him? He said, Loki. Those needs of Zahn when they blow him up. That's like Yabouseli. It's all the talk. When they Photoshop's on a Boogre McFarlane. He got to Javu Salli in real life. No photo, no photo.

No photo filters. That's a big guy. Oh, man. What do you think he does to maintain that? Is he like, eats a lot of foo, man. He eats a lot of rice. He eats a lot of food. Stateness, man.

Or does it come natural like a lunch lady? Both. Both. He's in the jeans? He just be who he'd be, man. Yeah, bro, he eats a lot, man. He's like a librarian.

How many grams of protein you think he eats today? What? How many grams of protein you think he eats a day? All of it? 400. 400. Yeah. Probably, bro.

He's so big. I mean, if you get the one per body weight, he's got to get to 300 grams of protein a day to maintain like scientifically you can do that as 6.7. Yeah like calories in calories out he needs 300 grams of protein a day to maintain that physique. I promise you he does. Yeah.

He just housing steaks. Welcome to the city, Abuselli. Yeah. You're going to see him in person. You're right. Yeah. It's been a whistle. Yeah. Cat call them across the street. With that being said. Let's link.

Let's link with Yavu. Bro, let's go on a food tour where Yav was selling. He's got to pay, though. Oh, of course. I'm not touching that bill for this. I'm not touching that bill. Yabu. Keep me away.

Keep the TD3 card hidden. With that being said, we are either, I'm going to play this transition swoosh graphic right now, either you're going to go to TikTok time or you're going to come back to more trades that have happened at the end of the deadline that we had to react to. If it's bullshit and like Jordan Clarkson's in his trade, for nothing, we're not going to talk about it. But if you see us again, talk about trades, something cool happened and you're going to see our live reaction.

If not, let's have some fun in TikTok time. We have one more trade that happened that we had to talk about before we get to TikTok time. The Pacers have traded for Evisa Zubotch. The Clippers continued their sell-off after trading James Hardin yesterday. We are here now. They traded Zubach and Kobe Brown for Benedict Matherin, Isaiah Jackson, two first-round picks,

second round pick, the details of that pick are quite interesting. If the pick is in 1 through 4, the Pacers keep it. If the pick is 5 through 9, the Clippers get it. And if it's 10 through 31, the Pacers get it. Dude, that's an insane gamble. That's crazy. That's an insane bad man. And that's the 2026 draft.

What are the standings looking like right now? They have top four odds, I think, or close to it. And that's, again, that's a 2026 pick as well as getting up to 2029 on on protected first round pick. So basically they're saying, if we can get AJ DeBanza, Cameron Peterson, or Cameron Boozer, cool. We want the top four pick. If it's going to be a middling first-round pick in the lottery,

like the eighth pick or something, we'd rather have Zubach and compete next year with it all sort of a big next to the Tadu's Halberd. And what that also means is for Paceous fans and NBA fans around the world, say goodbye to Pascal Seacom. You will not see him again for the rest of the year. Right now, there's five teams with 13 wins or less.

The Pacers are one of them. They currently are, they have the third odds, or the third best odds for the number one overall pick, they will lose every game from here on now because that little small window, it seems small, it's massive. It's everything. That is humongous. To get you the top four pick protected,

the difference in getting the fourth pick and losing it and getting nothing and it goes five to the clippers is insane. If you can get, even if it's not the top three guys, if you can get Caleb Wilson at four, that is massive to pair him as Zubach as your additions next year with Halliburon coming back. Man, they give up a lot. They really believe in Zubarak.

And then on top of that, too, you're giving up a 29 unprotected pick. Now, assuming they're going to be good because they're still a relatively young team led by at least like a young player in Tyrese Halliburton. But man, that's a haul. Shout out to the Clippers for getting like the peak value for them. Yeah, that's really good for them. Also, just because they are the Clippers, it is funny that as soon as they started doing good, they're like, yeah, tear it all down.

Yeah. They say, we can't, we can't do this anymore. They knew themselves. They knew there's this run, a little fluke. We're fine. They're going to trade everybody. Steve Baum was going to come out and be like, Hadjah shook, though.

Had jell shook though, is very much. What's funny is this whole year, the whole thing has been they suck, but they get no pick. That's fucking tragic. What if it gets five? And they draft, I don't know who number five would be right now where they're at. I don't know if you know a forward, that would make sense on top of your head. But if they can have next year Garland and a number five pick that could be a top tier prospect still, they have Caleb Wilson falls to five because the Warriors number four wants a point guard.

That's a pretty surprisingly great outcome for the clippers. Yeah, yeah, dude. It's fucking top tier. And then on top of that too, okay, you get former lottery pick and Bennett Mathrin who's like not a complete nothing, but he's like additive to what you have, which is nothing currently as you speak in time. Great move for them. This is for the Pacers next year, though, this is like, this is exactly what you want because you're going to have Halliburton. You're going to have Needsmith, Nemhart, Siakum, Zubach. That's a team that if Halliburon comes back and is 100%, oh, we're getting to, we're back at the top of the east.

Conference. Dude, we can make a run. Take it to Bonza. Haliborne, Nimhart, DeBonsas, Seacom, Zubatch. Oh my God. And then the Pistons are going to look at themselves and be like, we should have made a deal.

We should have got Kobe White. God damn. We got to do something right now. But the Pacers are in a very, very good spot for like best case scenario to put them at the top of the Eastern Conference. Yeah. And it's a young court too. I think that can be understated.

The Pacers have a very. young core um honestly this was just a gap year for them but they've they've been like contenders in the east for a minute now zubach is an old isn't that 30 yet like how old is he i'm guessing like 28 he's 28 yeah we're cooking prime ages what's see how come like 30 now see yeah i think he has 30 30 yeah so a few more years left with him but he's obviously a guy that's gonna be like the guy that goes out and replace the next generation when patients do what they always do and recycle players and stay on that same level haliburne and zubash for the next five years potentially very aggressive by.

He's better than Miles Turner, obviously. They'll have to figure out the new look with Halliburton because they're used to that spacing five, that's certain style they played with. Now you have an amazing screener, which is something that nobody would ever accuse Miles Turner of. Nobody would ever accuse him and being strong and thick and setting good screens.

Great rebounder, finisher. Nobody would ever accuse Miles Turner doing any of these things well. So minus the spacing, you're probably a better team now. Yeah, you're back up now. And I mean, there's like 20 minutes until the deadline. I guess you can't really do that right now,

like should kawai go are you just keeping kawai for vibes like honestly for vise morale you got you got that new dome again which is this is the first year it's been up right yeah yeah so like you got to you got to keep kawai this quite is it the first no they sure trade them oh it was last year for sure yeah whatever uh okay quite's hard to trade like with everything we know about the health and everything and the looming investigation that is probably nothing but could be something i don't know if i want to trade for koi right now because of that especially and he's never healthy. You can't really, if you're at another team,

you probably can't let yourself get fooled by the healthy 20 games that happens every year. Yeah, that's fair. AD just got traded though, so I don't know. For fucking, to the Wizards, where's Kauai going on the Nets? That's fair. It sounds like, you gotta make that call.

Sounds like he's going to be Utah Jazz. Who? Kauai. Hell no. L.A. to Utah. They trade for Lari marketing. Offload that contract. Kick Kauai.

I would not like that. Garland. I would ever do it. Garland and Lorry? Please. Anyways, they don't have to take Hawaii. Garland and Kauai with the top, hopefully, if the pick falls in your favor, a top 10 pick next year? Yeah, like, whether it be Kingston, Fleming or going back to what you said, Caleb,

Wilson, that could work. That could work, Mikhail Brown. Honestly, there's no. Are you a high on Benedict Mathrin? Because I think, like, he's a pretty underrated part of this trade. Like, he's only, I'm looking at it right now. He's only 23. Am I out on Benedict Mathron?

No. Am I overly in? Also no. No. you're out. He's averaging 18 points of game. So he could get really good and be interesting. It's a cool addition, but I'm not excited about Benedict Mathrin anymore.

But it's a good name to have, at least. It's a good name to have. But next year, if this pick does land at five or six or whatever it is, there's not a position that's like untouchable. Like I'll draft whatever player is best available. They're that type of team that has to have with that. That's to have that type of draft philosophy. Yeah.

Good for the glippers, good for the Pacers. Win-win. Okay. Okay. I like it. Do the Pacers now try to, if Garland has a good rest of the season, would they try to trade Garland in the summer or do they view him as a building block? Like, are they, if they can get more picks for him if he, like, has a healthy stretch, do you think they keep trying to tear it down? Yeah.

And accumulate picks. Yes. I think, I think, I think, if you have, well, also it depends on, I think a lot of it obviously depends on what happens with Kauai and the punishment there. And like, if they're like, hey, Kauai took all this money under the table, ripping over his contract, whatever. And he's just like, not there. then you look around and say, do we want to just run Garland basketball or not? Yeah.

All right. Well, that's the only trade has happened. We have 50 more minutes. If you see us again, then once again, our new trade broke at the end of the deadline. It has to be a big ass trade too

if we turn on this camera. I know. If not, we're on the TikTok time. Let's have some fun. Woo! For the second time. Welcome to TikTok time.

As usual today, we begin with the draft. And as usual, like we've been doing, we're going to do a draft with a wheel. We've been doing it as of late where we spin the wheel and we take players from that team.

This one's a little bit different. We're going to spin a wheel that has 15 player names on it. And depending on what player it lands on, we have to pick a player that played with them. So pick a teammate of these guys. Okay. This is way better than the last one we did

because you guys don't know. We did the most atrocious draft ever. We did international players only that'll pay for these teams and the players we named were absolutely ridiculous. It should never be drafted. And there's a new feature on YouTube.

I can do, quizzes. So after this draft, it'll pop up on the screen like a card pops up, and you can vote on who won the draft. It's a new thing on YouTube. So draft order is Donovan, Mo, me. Let's spin this wheel first up. What team are we starting with? We'll all pick a player from this team. Oh, Nicola Yokic. Okay. Donovan. What Yolkish teammate do you want? We're getting like the version of them that play with? Yes. Jamal Murray. Damn. Of course. Naturally. Of course. Hands down. The only all star he's ever going to have. He's with right now. Love it.

Not too shabby, not too shabby. Well, Peyton Watson. God, no. Not yet. Could be, though. All right. Now it's my turn up. Do what needs to be done, brother.

I think I need the wheel up. And, oh, we're picking from the same team. Oh, okay, cool. Payton wants a disgusting work. I would never do that. Go ahead and give me Aaron Gordon Fuck.

Naturally. Who am I taking? Good Lord. MPJ. I'm trying to think that he's not bad. He's a bucket getter. Yeah, he's a winner.

I'm trying to make early in his career who he played with. Kenneth Farid. He played with Paul Millsap, didn't he? But he was still an all-star? P. Millie,

you're, I mean, he wasn't an all-star, but he's like really good. Can I fact check that? It was like his last, one of his last years. Yeah, I think he, I'm pretty sure he was still really good.

They'd make sure about 16, 14 points. Yeah, Paul Millsap, stats. Let me just make sure I'm not picking a bum, but I'm pretty sure I was good. I promise you. When you left, Atlanta, it hurt my heart. I got good, I could pick Nurkish, I suppose. Well, Bessel reference is down for me.

That's actually quite funny. How relevant. He average 14. You know what, fine. Give me 2018 Paul Millsap. Give me a power for that can do a lot of little things. Okay. I hate MPJ.

That's crazy. Yeah, we either him at MPJ. I can find more shooters. Yeah, one L or two L. One L. Now, back to the wheel. now we'll do a second spin. All right, let's do it.

Hopefully you get a player of that. Please have a superstar for me. Please have a superstar for me. Ball is in your court. Land on Kobe, please. Embeddeed. Oh, shit, okay. Okay, Embed's a lot of good teammates.

This is good. It's got a stacked. What's the best version that played with Embed? Because James Hardin wasn't very good with Embeddeed. Paul George's Washington, and Steve's hard on solid, but low key.

Is Jimmy Butler the best version of a teammate Joel Embed has had? Potentially. You know what, fine. Give me 2019 Jimmy Butler. That's probably the best one he's had. All right. That's cool.

That makes it even easier for me. My team is dog right now. Give me current day Tyrese Maxie. Yeah, that's probably the second judge. He has a lot of teammates. I know. He does. We're going to pass up on an All-Star.

Because now you got Ben Simmons or James Hardin. And now, can we move Jamal Murray to my two so I can put Ben Simmons at my one? Okay. Okay. You don't want Jimbo? Good to DJ, right? Elite shooting. Marco Bellanelli was a shooter.

Ooh, he was. Erson Ilya Sova. You're correct. I remember that era. He's not real. Our teams are starting off a little. Simons and Murray. Okay, that makes sense.

I like my mind. Bullard and Millsap. I need some more shooting around the edges. Max and Gordon, you can't go around there. Like my back court right here. All right. Player number three. Who do we got this time?

Simmons and Murray, you could do worse. Now that's a solid start. So I'll start. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Oh, Lamello. Almost Kobe.

Ah. I get the third best Lamello team. Fuck. It's looking spooky. I'm getting screwed. Oh, man, I was about to put Shaq there. Shack. Shack.

Shack. Nasty. Yo, Shaq would, what do you hate Simmons or what do you fuck with him? Of course you'd hate Ben Simmons. Are you kidding me? Lamello ball teammate. Hell is eye squinting right now.

Yeah, we keep getting attacked by these hornets. Stop putting in there. Um, am I going to go? day at the three go for it oh wow give me con can nipple at my three you need a shooter next of ben simmons so that's a good shooter simms simms firing out the murray and con give me con you could do worse okay i just put his first name yes fine doesn't matter okay no you must spell his last this is my last year has some years yeah at a moment okay so there's he had a run one maybe two

obvious answers here could go brandon miller but i i think i could do a little bit better than that. So that's why I'm taking. Gordon Hayward, I guess. Welcome to my team. Put him out my three. Yeah, for a season. Yeah, he was good.

He led him to the play in. Nice. You know, but hey, when's last time they hornets went to the play in? 30. When he was there. 33 and 49. Yeah. Got ran by the,

by the Hawks, I think. Yes. I don't know what his stats are looking at. Has he ever played with the big man? That's good. Musa Diabate, say his name. It's true. Hey, I guess am I, too?

I'm going big. Give me Brandon Miller. Give me today's Brandon Miller for the last two weeks. He's been turning it up and shooting well. Give me February 2026, Brandon Miller. Your team is weird. It is. But it's long and lengthy to play defense so far.

I need the right one in five, but it could come together. Okay. But right now it's pretty mid. You need luck. Because that guy Jimmy Buller has taken teams to the finals the next year. I'm not far. If you take Gabe Vincent and Caleb Martin to the final, you could take Bramette. and move on Paul Mills up.

I need a Starpoint Guard bad. Yeah. All right, who we get next? This decides my draft. I could lose the draft right here. Shea. Fuck, does not have amazing teammates by any means. Hmm.

Oh, you know exactly who you couldn't say. He never played with Kauai. They traded him. That would have been nice. There's an easy one here. Chris Paul was washed. We can't pick Chris Paul. Who's a best player he actually played with?

Go ahead and say Chet. I guess I have to. Yes. Because in 2020 when he was young. We gotta stop helping people. You think I wasn't gonna pick Chet? Like, come on. You think I wasn't thinking about J-Dub and Chet?

I guess can be Chet Hongrin. I'm gonna pair hidden defensive with Paul Millsap and Jimmy Butler. Wow. I need a star point guard bad in the last ride. Wow. You sold because CP3 was not washed at all. He average like 17. If you want old.

He was not washed. You are tripping. Wasn't we an all-star that year? Yeah, I forgot. He had a bounce back here. was not watched. So that's why. I was still rather have Chet for this team.

Sure. I was still, I'm still rather up chat. Yeah, cool. Good, good luck. You have the most mid-team.

I don't know. Paul Milsap is just, he just sticks out to me. This is one of the last few years. This is really the last good year or like. Yeah. She bounced back in 2020 and then at 2021 after that. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. But I'm still like, I'm fine. I can't let CP3 slide. I'm a little small, but who gives a fuck? Put Maxi on my two and CP3. Welcome.

You're leading my team to Victory. Go ahead. Needed that. Yep. Go ahead. Take Montres Harold. Needed that.

Please put Jada by my four. Okay. Ben Simmons is basically your four. A defense. That's pretty good. Big ass defense. My team is straight role players. But Jimmy Butler,

Jimmy Buller and shooting role players? Paul Millsack. Sticks out like a sort of. Ben and was good. He was good. I know. But he's a role player. If I'd have been

happier, oh, I got a spacing. Paulmos has better than BJ. Yeah. Okay, I need a good point of our bad, but I'm third. Fuck. All right. Give me cope.

LeBron. Thank God. Everybody gets a good player. Let's go. My role player team's going to come together. I hate this. Why do you hate this? You're a good spot.

You can pick the perfect center for your team. I'll take AD. Yeah, that makes sense. Your team is filthy. But I don't know, AD, Ben Simmons, spacing? Is it not the best? Well, I'll take 20, 2080. Best version of it?

Sure. Yeah. Mo, you need a center. Where are you going? Man, I do need a center. See, I would cook you and just like take Luca or take Kyrie. Fuck, man, you have so many options. You're going to fuck.

I can't even try to cook you at all. Do you Wade running a point? Listen, in today's league, I'm going to do that. Rondo was right there. There definitely would have been half a season where they're like, hey, go try it. Yeah. Yeah. Had he played on the Jason kids?

He builds players. Give me Chris Bosch. Not bad at all. Not bad. Yeah. I got a 30 point per game score. Chris Paul, Gordon here who was average in 20. They got Aaron Gordon too.

Peak Aaron Gordon. Should he pick Chris Bosch or is another big you could have taken? No, there's no other. He had to play with the league bigs. Jack was washed. Yeah. Could have picked Ben Wallace. Give me Luca Donchitch.

Everybody on my team is 6'7. Luca and Hela Defenders. It worked out. I wish I'd something better than Brandon Miller But as my fifth option, it works He didn't he'd look at a player really well together I got some thick defenders Jimmy Butler Mills at the high

It worked out Luke is the one player I could have had a good role player team with like this It's the perfect scenario One guy who could just get shit off of himself Oh, pick Chris Paul he wasn't washed Fuck off How about that You did still sell

No I didn't look Luke and Chats way better than Chris Paul in You got luck Who did I pick that center Check No because if I didn't pick If I pick Chris Paul over Chet, I would have had to pick a LeBron center. You would have picked AD.

But you picked AD. Oh, too, coming back. Yeah. So I would have had to pick his third best center. I would have picked 2020 Javail, like. It's not bad, man. Tristan Thompson? I could have.

No, you would have put, you would have put K. Love at the 5. No, I wouldn't. Hell no, I wouldn't have. He could have put Mazda off there. Yeah, maybe like a Galskis, I guess. Mosgov. Or no, he played. No, he didn't play with Zubach.

Alex Lynn. put him up there. Yeah, if you had your way, I would have had Chris Paul and Tristan Thompson on my team. He would have been bullshit. He didn't play with too much? No, they traded him before. I thought so, too. He didn't.

They traded him to open up cast phase for LeBron. Fair, fair. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah. So for audio listeners, I have Luca Donchitz, Brandon Miller, Jimmy Butler, Paul Millsap, and Chad Holmgren. I got Tyrese, Chris Paul, Gordon, Gordon, Gordon, and Chris Bosch. I love my team. Ben Simmons, Jamal Murray, Khan Kniepill, Jay.

Jaylen, Williams, J-dub, and Anthony Davis at my center. Okay. Who do you guys think won? The poll should be on there now. Who do you think won this draft? My defense is nasty. Donovan's defense is insane. Mo doesn't have a top five player in the world.

Me and Donovan do. Whoa, whoa. Not even close. Me and Donovan. I low-key have two because Jimmy Bullder was a... No, I had 2019, Jimmy Bullitt. He wasn't going super sane yet. 2020 he did.

So that doesn't count. But Luke and Butler's two stars. You have Jamal Murray this year who's an all-star. So that counts. It's like a top of 20 player. with AD, that's a nasty combo. It is. It is. And then I got straight up, if I need it,

40 points in the finals, I'm good. You have a team full of low-level all-stars. You have like nice 30th players in the world all around. You have the same thing, but then just Luca. Well, Luca does all the Jimmy Butler is better. 2019, he was a top 20 player. Really top 15.

So that's a difference. I fuck with my team. But Maxi's about the same level with Jimmy Butler. Yeah. Shout on MVP level player. Luca sprinkled on top. Yeah. Okay.

So that is the difference. end of our drafts let us know who won in the comment section below next thing we're going to do be souls i believe you have some NBA shoes to show us and we are going to decide which ones are better old or new yes i got some funny matchups for y'all man some very very funny matchups first one we have the kobe adidas crazy one oh these these are switched uh kobe adidas crazy one versus the shea one Okay. Okay. So which iconic shooting guards first shoe was better?

I'm not going to lie, the Kobe's, they looked like shit back then. They're so ugly. Fucking bricks. They look like taxis. Yeah. I look like it actually like kill you and can cuss you with these. It looked like your astronaut shoes. Yeah.

Bounce around on the moon. Yeah, Shays are much, much, much better. Shays are much, much, much better. Much, much better. This is the worst color way of the Shays, too, by the way. The other ones are way prettier. I think the OG Kobe's, they were ahead of its time. You're insane.

No, they were not. They're ugly today. They're ugly today. They're ugly today. They have the same. They are ahead of the time. It's way ahead of its time. He's just way worse.

These are trash. The colorways disgusting. These are garbage. I'm not going to say they're trash. They're not. The color waste trash. They're not trash. They're garbage.

Nah. Turn to get the front view much nicer. These are cool in the same way that you're like, oh, I like Jordan 15s. I'm a little different. Like, these are not cool. You would never wear these. You just want to be different and be like, oh, they're special.

This is a challenge for the Mr. Put It Ons out there. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You got to wear it ironically in the same way that like a certain aesthetic came back of like thrifting stuff that was ugly before. Now you do it ironically and it's cool. These have to be ironic to be nice. They would be an amazing statement piece.

These are panned as one of the ugly issues of all time. First of all, when I go to a nice restaurant, put on a suit in these, I'm not, you know, I'm not going to lie. What a suit is crazy. You're going to hit the steakhouse and the combing all. Don't take this guy's order I'm doing I'm going to the opera

and the Kobe ones I'm just saying She clears I'm pulling up Black tie event Honestly a suit might be the best way To find a way

To make these work Because you put these on Some jeans Fucking die You can make it work You can make it work With some baggies Some baggy jeans

Some cargo pants Cargo paints Hey we're kind of cooking Man All right Next up we have The Shack Nosis Oh these are sorts

Again Shack Nosis versus the Joker 2's. The Shackgnosis is the Joker 2s are even worse, though. Fuck, this is ass. The Shagnosis are... I take the Shagnosis.

They're kind of fire. Yeah. Shagnosis aged well. Over time, they became like vintage and they're pretty cool. These Joker 2s are horrendous. What am I looking at? They look like some like cartoon network

spin off or some... Yeah. One of them crazy shows. Joker does have a new shoe coming out where it's like, you can kind of see the vision. I think his next shoe, I saw a picture of the,

of like the color way and everything. It looks kind of, kind of fire. This other one is very stereotypical for big men who have signature shoes. Oh, God. I was going to say they look like Zion shoes. Which is we just need to give you as much support as your 270,000-pound body. The shoes look like they're made of concrete.

They get hold of a building. Yeah, but the little rings are cool. That's a shoe that's ahead of his time. That looks cool years later. What? Technosis. Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. The Joker too is like airwarks.

I'm gonna buy them about journeys. You gotta be 12 to love these, man. Dude, there was an air like 2012 people wearing those shoes from journeys that were like leather, had the big toe, the big tongues. I forgot what they're called. Not DCs. They're kind of like that, but they're high tops. I can't remember about it.

I think I was dying. DCs. Yeah, obviously Shaq wins. Yeah, Shaq knows just clears. All right. We have the Reebok questions for Alan Iverson and the AE-E-1s. I'm not going to lie. This is tough.

This is the hardest one you've came across so far. Both strong. Yeah. In the moment, both came out and we revered as like instant classics. Yeah. When I was like three years old, I had questions. I had pictures of me and baby questions. Really?

They were like that. I was three years old. My mom bought me questions. They're far. They're far. I have a pair of questions right now. Oh, you do? I do.

I think both are amazing. You can't wear the AE ones for fashion. Questions work on and off the court. That probably has to win. AE1s was, it's one of those shoes that's kind of bringing it back, though. To wear him as fashion? Yeah, we saw so much. rapper do Wall A or something like that, right?

Well, yeah, Wally's from the DMV, though. They always wear shoes like that in the DMV. That's just their thing. Just weird up there. They just like sportswear. Yeah, they are weird. They were under armor and like they were sportswear. It's like their thing.

Stupid. It's got to be the questions, but the AE1 are so close. If any modern shoe could beat the questions, it would have been AE1. Yeah, but right now I'm letting nostalgia kick my ass. I'm taking my AIS. I'm going to questions too. They have longevity. Like, you can still wear them.

Clean sweet. Okay. next up we have the starberries versus the adidas dons oh i'm going starberries i used to have him yo he's lying i promise you he loves his ironic ugly shoes i'm not wearing these today these two k generics what are we doing i promise you i had a pair i believe you yeah i also promise you not wearing him today you're not wearing him today you can't you can't pull this off i promise you i two things one yes i can't don't doubt me and two and two i looked up um because starberries were coming back he announced that they did the they did they they didn't they they're

they were coming back. He said he was reviving the somebody does them and everyone's like, yeah, okay, buddy. He said he was reviving the brand and I was looking because I wanted to pair.

Again, you love, you love irony. That's a thing. I liked him. No, I rocked him. Dude,

what does this shoe do for you? I don't know, like, it don't look like it's helpful for performance. The starberries look like I drew them. I sketched them from memory. They look how undetilled they are.

Now, hate simplicity. Everything. Look at the D-Mitch. It's a lot going on. Honestly, the D-Mitches, there's some of them that actually really rock with this specific one, I do think, is kind of... I agree.

This is terrible. The first D-Mitch with the spider-on-the-tong was fired. Yeah. These are quite horrible, so I'm going to say neither one. Yeah. I'd rather walk barefoot. I guess it has to be the D-Mitches, but I don't feel good about it. Yeah.

Same. Nah, the Starbrates is like that. Next up, we have the Z-O-2s versus The Lamello 5 The ball brother. ZO2s are old. That was crazy. Didn't he make a song

about these two? I made several. The ZO2s were $500 if y'all don't remember. I remember that. And they fell apart or you didn't get them in the mail. Yeah.

One of the two. I remember that. Man. They're not ugly though. Shout out to black entrepreneurship. We're going with the ZO2s. Black history month.

You correct. Black history month. We're standing with a black father who wanted to make an empire out of his family. I'm going with the ZO2s. You can't get the MB. 0.05 without

the ZO2. And you couldn't pay me to wear those polypocket shoes in real life. Facts. I'm going with the ZO2s. I'm not 11. I'm not 11 years. Are you 11 years old?

Loki. Those on. I don't know. I'm going to be 11 dropping 30 on the court with them. Next up, we have the Reebok kamikaze's by Sean Kemp. I believe these are Sean Kemp's shoes. and Zoom Freak.

Why did we pick these Zoom Freaks that look like indoor soccer shoes? They look like, yeah, they're like golfing shoes. They're all fabric. Yeah. Is this, is this like the newest version of the Zoom Freak? I believe so. What number is you on like six? Maybe.

The first two, fire. I really did enjoy them. I don't know if the last couple ones have been good. I'm also going with the Kamikazis. Comicazis are so tough. Also because I've owned a pair of them. Yes. The Comicazes easily, these Zoom freaks,

the, well, they made a fabric. Looks at something that, like, a Mexican cousin of mine would wear, like, Puma is inside of indoor soccer. With, like, a Puma, like, sweatsuit. I don't know. I can see Donovan wearing these. I could see you wearing these. You would pull it off.

You go to any outlet mall in America. You'll see shoes just like this all over the place with the Puma suits. If you go to my eyeschool, you'd see. I'm going to Kamakazis. As you would describe it in that as one person in particular, I was like, that's you. That's you. Speaker? All right.

Next, we have the Puma Clydes. These are Walt Frazier shoes. And the 7-4-1s by Jalen Brown. Two different lanes, honestly. Very. These Puma Clyde hold up today. These are fire. That's just a cool, regular shoe.

Do I have to get on this? I could definitely see you wearing that. You have to get this? How much of it? Probably like $90. $65. Those do look fire, though. Yeah, I do like the Jalen Brown shoes, though.

It does. It's weird as fuck. It does work for me. But you're putting them up against a heavy hitter here. Are we getting Puma Clydes as a show? No, we're not matching. Hell no. You're on your own, buddy.

I just talked about how Pumas are all the only word outlet malls. You want me to wear some Pumas? I'm taking the Jalen Browns. These are clearly fire, though. What the hell? All right, now. You guys have been talking about me being ironic. Come on now.

If I'm playing basketball. You legitimately want to be different. No, if I play basketball, I'm taking the Z4-1s. Oh, okay. First of all, also, L. Reader, They look like Z4-1s, I'm not going to lie. You have Z-bibes? No, I'm not going to lie, right.

Yeah, for playing basketball, obviously, playing basketball in the jail of brown shoes. He is just in the 40s. I'm going to have to hoops of clouds. What are we doing? I'd rather wear the clads for fashion, so it's a draw. Okay. All right, next up, we have the Battle of the Athletic Guards.

We have the D-Rose-1s versus the Jod-3s. And these D-Rose-1s aged horribly. I'm not glad. When they first came out, I thought they were so tough. He released them for his retirement. These are ugly as fuck today. They retroed the rose ones. In the moment, remember the stripes in the back?

They were iconic. They were everywhere in middle school shelves. These only look good if you're also rocking the ankle brace with them. I do think that the job threes is one of, I think the job three is like whatever pyramid, like top 15, I think it has an argument for being one of the better basketball shoes of modern NBA. Yeah, 2020 is probably top five. Well, actually, it's certainly top. top five for 2020. It's top three in the 2020s.

Even if we go back to from last 15 years, last 15 years is like top. I still think it's top five. Oh, early 2010. Early 2010, there's some heavy hitters. It's a lot. But in terms of like,

because I'm not going to give like repeats. Like we're starting with Kobe 4. I mean, with a KD4s, Kobe 7s, Kobe 8s. There's a lot. These job threes are special. They are.

I'm not going to say top five, but I can get with you when it comes to top 15. I'm, I'm super high. I'm like unreasonably. high on these job three i feel you you really really wants them i kind of get you something for your birthday because you won't shut up about them because they're as good they're as good as a basketball shoe has been in a while and like every once in a while you'll you'll see some pop up but

these are these are like that they look like they'd be good for football cleats if you made a football version i i've seen people uh already really i think so that makes i already turn them into cleats okay yeah easily going jaw shout out the de rose for their time but no Thank you. Next up, we have the Jordan one versus the book one. Atomic Bombers coffee. Yeah, let's just put the greatest shoe of all time. Devin Booker, how do you respond?

What do you got from you, Dev? Yeah. Yeah, this is pretty easy. Devin Booker has one of the worst shoes, man. Come on. Next up, we have the Chuck Taylor's versus the Langston Galloers. The Houston Galloers. The Q4LG9S is.

Yeah, it sounds like a brand new Samsung phone. I'm going with the Chuck Taylor here. Sounds like a smart fridge. That sounds like a car, bro. What the fuck? I'm going with the Chuck Taylor's here. Yeah, what is happening with the Lacing God? What brand is this?

I think there's the same brand Yolkages under. I think. They're just doing stuff. Was this like 495 or something, some number? They're drawing shoes with their eyes closed. Yo, can I have shoes, man? These are AI generated? Facts.

They look like an AI generated shoe that tried to make Jordan 11 lows. Oh, I know this is the same company that also has signature shoes for Spencer Dinwiddie. They're cornering the market on bullshit no-in-wants. Oh, my God. The corner of the market. Who's buying these? We got to investigate this company. Are these big in other countries?

You think like Chile really loves Lansing Galloway? They know the answer to that. They're money laundering. You know the answer. No. Come on, man. I don't know. Like Singapore really fucking loves Langston.

Come on. No. This is easy. One different reason for that one. Ew. Obviously, where the Chuck Taylor is, the OGs have lasted today.

I heard they cool over there. I heard they cool over there. In Singapore? I think they're cool over there. Okay. I think it's the surrounding ones that be. Ah, all right.

This next one is very, very nasty. Probably the nastiest one on this list. This is the Battle of the Freaks. We're not peering up Zion in the same freak conversation. Yeah, different freaks in their own right. There are different weight classes.

Yeah, different weight classes. Still freaks, though. Different freaky low. We have the Apex Mailman by Carmelone and then the Jordan Zions. I've actually never seen the mailman shoes. I've always thought that Patrick Ewing shoes were the bulkiest I've ever seen. I thought these look like you're playing in bricks. These are crazy.

Why they're so compact. It looked like baby shoes. You look like you can get through snow with those shoes on. Why are they so compact? They look like they're a fake version of a real shoe. Do every version? of the mailman come with the signature on them? Probably not that

that's probably on there but I bet they all come a mailman 32 on the side. 100%. Yeah. Also, what is Apex? I've never heard of this. That sounds like a mountain brand. Yeah, it's how old. It's all probably failed like shit. Yeah. It sucks. I want to give it to Zion. In principle, I would never give anything to nasty man. So I want to go

Zion. But God damn, is Zion shoes some bullshit? Now, if the colorway was better, I'm taking the Zion's. Dude, that is a much generic basketball. show I've ever seen. No wonder they're canceling a shoe brand. That is nothing. That's just plastic. There's no personality there.

That looks like every other basketball shoe. You think they cancelling it because of the shoe? Nobody wants to buy it for whatever reason. I don't think the design helps. Listen, nobody buys anything from Jordan brand. Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul used that shoes in them bricks. Because they also suck. They can't design shoes at all.

Now, we'll say CP3s, they were nice. There was a couple decent ones, but they were just decent. That means a lot for that. brand it does it does they have different designers for jordan the nike yes yes because it's a whole it's a whole different like company that they that they do yeah they gotta do better man so we're going to zion because we have to out of moral obligation but i don't feel good about it all right next up we have the dod die sprees by the troll spree well and the anti kairis oh my god we get the fuzzy shoes or the shoes with spinners them shit's actually not now if i can take it out and like wait wait they spin out of

They actually spin? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that actually I'm going with that. That's hard. That's tough. These, honestly, these antichyries are kind of fire, but the shoes spin.

Imagine. They're iced out. Now, if we take, do you take these basketball shoes, turn them into helis? You put the wheels on the bottom. Wait, wait. Extend that.

What if they have hydraulics and then bitches too? You're bouncing. We're on another mood. You're healing down the hallway? We have, we have to respect the spinner. We have to respect the spinner. to respect. Dada.

We got to respect Dada, man. Ooh, Dada, man. She's a too cold. Dada man. She's a cold, Dada man. We're called Lattrell. Also, LaTrell Sprewell is such a cool name. You'll never see that name ever again in life.

Not in this NBA. It's like that I Shepel joke about Dremont Green. Latriles Sprewell got him beat. Yeah. That is our next tier list If you've seen the status Especially you know what we're saying A lot of you won't

Next thing that we are going to do today We are going to explain the last 20 NBA MVP's In one word or less Actually there's no less than one word All right, Jack One word or less We get facial expressions

But yeah, I'm going to say the last 20 NBA MVP's. We got to describe them in one word based on, you know, how they won the MVP, the storyline. Whatever means to you encapsulate the MVP season in one word. Starting off with this past season, we're going to go backwards. 2025, Shea. Ora. I go hating. Yeah, hating.

Hayding's great. What's the opposite of the people's champ? Villain. Villain. Yeah. Maybe a little villainous. People gave it to him begrudgingly. People really wanted to give him to Nicole Yokic.

That's the best of begrudgingly. Against my will. I mean, they had to give him the MVP. Fully deserved it. Every NBA fan that doesn't live in Oklahoma or isn't on this couch really hated Shea for some reason. They decided he was the villain, everything wrong with basketball and the way it's played today.

He's the only one to ever draw foul. And they wanted Yokic to win MVP, but Shea was undeniable. And he got it fully deserved, but he wasn't embraced by fans, as many other MVPs were, especially in their first MVP season. Usually you have to win a few. to get like people to start disliking you winning one. First time they were like, this guy.

This guy. I will say it is funny though. Whenever somebody says that tweeting, they're like, guess where shade's at right now? That's a good joke. And a lot of jokes are dishonest and are annoying. That's dishonest and funny.

Like that was like worth it. 68 and 14. Tough, man. One word to discredit, dominant. Like this is one of those dominant seasons. As a team and a player. 67 and after you shooting is fucking bono.

for 32 points per game. Fuck, man. Six assists too. What would be 68 games? Like, I can't believe people thought he didn't win MVP. Like, that combination of things to be that efficient, that much of a score while your team is that good. Just crazy. And defense.

Good about defense. Yeah. Lockdown defender. I'm kidding. Yeah. Okay. That would make sense. That one's easy.

Carry on. 2024, Yokic. These numbers feel so pedestrian compared to what he's doing now. That's so weird. He leveled up and stop winning MVP. 26, 12. and nine. Fucking bum.

Pretty amazing still. I'm gonna go fake. Because the numbers don't seem real. Yeah. And everything that you guys just said of like, these numbers look pedestrian compared to what he's doing. The past five years, every time you look at a Yolkin stat line,

it's like, how is this actually happening? It doesn't feel like an actual player. I'm gonna go stamped. When he won this third MVP, it's like, oh, okay, this is one of the top 15 greatest players of all time. Three MVP's in a ring is crazy. What, you get the third. one. It's like, oh, no, you're in rarefied air. Only a handful of guys have ever done that.

Man, you say Stantz. I'm going to say Enigma. Like, he's just fucking special, bro. No one's ever seen this combination of scoring, rebounding in. Playmaking from that fucking position. At such a high level, especially, too. What a guy. My king. What a legend. My blubbery goat. Rob Luca. My bad. That's two words. That's two words. 2023, Joelle and Bede. Farse. Farrs.

Fraudulent. Fraudulent. Scammer? Stolen? Stolen. Merchant. No, honestly, this one was like owed. Like, people felt like,

Joel M. Bid was like, it was his time when MVP was a thing. It was a very close race than him and Nicole Yokic. Joel, he had a very worthy MVP season. The problem is so did Nicole Yolkich, and people like him more. I think he's marginally better.

So when it's close to a tie, people want the better player to get it. Joel M.Bee was fully deserving an MVP, but I think the tiebreaker in reality was that he didn't have one yet. Perkins. You think he... Perkins. Yeah. Layaway. M.

I mean, you he lay away, for sure. But yeah, I think because we talk so much about how Nicole Yolk, which was a better player and, like, maybe more worthy in your eyes, we act like Jolombie didn't deserve it. This is clearly MVP numbers. 65% true shooting for 33 points. That's still fucking nuts. Like, that's crazy. Damn, man. This season was nuts.

Like this is one of the most skilled big man I've ever seen. Oh yeah, this is a harder year too, right? Man, special. Four assists per game. He's playing a little bit more early in his career. He had kind of a black hole that couldn't pass out of double teams. That came around. This is when his handle was nuts.

The mid-range jumper was nuts. This is still one of the best players of all time. Yeah, and I think this was the year where rookie Wemby walked into his building and he gave him fucking 70. Yeah. That was the next year. Was it? Yeah, because Wembe's Rumba wasn't elite yet.

But he had 70. he gave wimby 70 on the way to about to be back to back but then he got hurt wimby wasn't illegal winby was 2023 draft yeah yeah yeah yeah he had a game was after this yeah he had everybody everybody 70 this year felt like damn he had a game he had a game against the jazz I think that he went crazy where he might as squared 70 23 I don't think he scored 70 again but he probably had something really yeah something crazy he had a bunch of crazy yeah I got I got damn man if he didn't get hurt that in that year 24 god damn yo I was just looking at those stats yeah the fact that he won up

this season. Yeah. Crazy. For like 35 games before he went down. Oh yeah. It was his career high that he sent, that he set before the 74 game. 59, 11, and 8 with seven blocks. My God.

You know, I'm going to change my word. 2023 overshadowed. People, the controversy overshadowed, the fact that Dwell and Bid did have one of the greatest problems of all time. Yeah. 22, Nikoli Okic. 22. 4834.

This is when his players were all hurt on his team. It was him and Aaron Gordon because Jamal Murray and MPJ were out for the year. He carried, no word, backpacked. This season was all about carrying his team to the playoffs when his team was completely depleted. Just like Russell Westbrook's MVP, this is the next version of that. Yeah, I think my word is like birthed. He like officially entered the conversation for like being close to or entering the conversation before looking like an all-time player. Putting up 27, 14 and 8.

And I think they were like, what, a five or six. six seed or something like that as well. So wins wasn't necessarily there, but when it comes to realizing his all-time stats and all that, it was undeniable. Yeah. Are we getting into backwards of 21? Which one was the one where Jamal Murray and APJ missed the whole year?

20. No, this year. Okay, because Jamal got hurt the second half of 21, right? Yeah, going into the playoffs. Yes, okay. Okay. This is the second MVP or first?

Second. Second. Yeah. Yeah, he was who was like composing on this one. Two MVP. P's get you in these conversations, man. Compazo was crazy. It was like Compazo.

I think... Compazo, KCP. Was KCP here at the time? I think so. Yeah, he was. When they trade for him? I think it was year. I think it was end of 2022, I think.

End of 22? Okay. Actually, I don't remember. Maybe I'm wrong. It would have been at the end of this year going into the, into the title of year. No. They traded for him in the summer. They're traded for Aaron Gordon at the end of one of these years at the deadline.

KCP was the next summer, I think, from the end of the deadline. from the Wizards. Yeah, they dropped Will Barton for him. Shout Will Barton. And these years kind of fucking blend together. Yeah, I'll go narrative for this one. Really? Yeah.

Well, 2021, his first MVP. This one was just like... Welcome. Welcome to greatness. Welcome to being one of those guys. For a couple of years, it was bubbling up. He went crazy in the bubble against the Lakers. It was like, oh, this guy's becoming a star.

Welcome to being one of the goats. Elevated is when you definitely start to see Yokic, you know, again, elevate himself over a lot of the other players, a lot of the other, you know, really good bigs in that, in that era and become one of the 10 best players in the world. Is he a lap, AD? Yeah. I was going to say, my word, is going to be leaps.

This is where he officially entered these conversations and he was one of the five best players in the world for real. Mm-hmm. 2020 Janus. Dominant. Shack. Yeah, officially just Shaq. Gen Z. Shack.

And this is the D.P.O.I. You, right? The second one. Yep. Yeah. Just dominant. That's the only way you can say. Both sides of the ball. One of the best players you've ever. ever seen how many players have we ever seen that have been this level defender and score

it's so rare it's like seven all time no not this level of score and defender i think it's like two or 30 and d p oi yeah that really one other ones jordan jackeem jim jordan he really him and heim i don't know that i haven't seen i don't remember the his actual like efficiency for those years i don't think even hecim was as good of a score relative to his era as yonis is like it's that's tough. Like, he's just scoring leader and DPOI type season is tough.

I don't know when's the next time we'll see this level of play from someone. Please get him to a good team, please. He's not done. He can keep doing this. He has to want it. Wembe got us, man.

Wembe got us. I hope so. I doubt it though. 2019. I think this one is flawed. One word. I'm gonna go flawed.

And that's really going to the playoffs. This is back when Yannis was getting bounced out from the wall and shit in the playoffs every year and people were like, can you win without a jump shot? I don't know.

That was all the conversation of is this MVP guy ever actually gonna do something? Yeah, I remember. I remember. I really, maybe that should have been 2020 more, but yeah.

We'll go, we'll go Bledsoe here. Bledsoe. Because, like, yes, the wall was a thing. Eric Blitz also was horrific in the playoffs. Also, this is back when he was

dunking on everybody every five seconds. Now he dung us a lot less. This is back when he was like reach over people and like drop it on their head. Something just freak. I think this, it was either this year of the year prior. He jumped over Tim Hardaway Jr.

Oh. Was that a Christmas game? No, it was just a regular. Like I remember Chris Middleton through the hell off, I think. I remember I think it was before this. The 2018 playoffs, I think was his first like real coming out to all NBA level year.

I think he played the Raptors in the playoffs. And I remember being like out of rush, like Buffalo Wobics or something. Oh. And seeing on the screen, he had like dunked like over two people in the rim. Just like reached over them. And that was when we just started seeing him being able to like dunk

while standing up. And I was like, I have never seen this a day of my life. Yeah, I think he officially started to become a problem this year. Yeah. 2018, James Hardin. I'll say owed for this one because there were a lot of, a lot of years where James Harden, his squawrown was up there, his assist was there. I'll say finally, he finally got his MVP.

Yeah. And so you, you can make the argument that this should have been a brown year. But with the year that James Hardin was having, it's like, all right, we should probably get him more. No, yeah, they were the second best team in the West. The only team to rival the Warriors, this was 100% his year, finally got it. The team success was good enough. His production was good enough.

Wasn't overshadowed by one of the best Steph Curry seasons of all time. Finally. This is the definition of deserved, bro. Like, he's been routinely a top five player in the league. He's broke the NBA at that point in time in so many different ways. People were fucking guarding him from behind, from the side. Can you know how insane that is? Rigubio was on defense, hip thrusting.

Josh Hart was on. defense is trying to figure out what the fuck to do too now that was the next year but still crazy was it next year yeah it was 2019 that's when everyone was going that's when he got better but didn't win MVP yeah because Janice was two-way demon people did these people still think

Hardin should want MVP in 2019 yeah that's when he was averaging 40 yeah yeah let's not do that don't open up those wounds that's stupid 2017 Russell Westbrook revenge good word

this was hard this is one there's a lot of words to describe it oh this will also also Purely, not purely, but this one, narrative. Narrative, for sure. The definition of a narrative, you're right. And this one is, I'm going to use several words, out the mud, just like finding a way to get wins with nothing around you. Backpacking is one word.

Carrying. That's what this MVP is all about. It was about carrying. The only thing you referenced in this season was who he had around him and the fact that he got his normal numbers with bullshit lineups, got it done anyways. Pure carry job. Records. Legendary. All of that.

Legendary for sure. ORA. This is the most ORA MVP. Like he won it because of ORA in many ways. Specifically, like one of his last games that he played this year, he knocked out the Denver Nuggets while also hitting a game winner on them from like 35 feet. They came one in those orange shirts. And drop 50 that game.

Yeah. It was a 50-point triple double game. This season is about moments. Legendary. Narrative, legendary moments. You remember where you were for this season. I'm going to say overhated, just real quick. Overhated.

Because I remember I was making content during that time. The amount of think pieces everyone was getting off on Russell Westbrook. and the hate. Yeah. He didn't deserve it. In hindsight, he did not deserve all that hate me. Yeah.

He didn't deserve it. It's not deserve all that hate me. Yeah. Broken. Broken. I was about to say that. 2K. The fucking game.

Gamer. Unfatherable. How. Wizardry. Erect. Light skin. Okay. That went the wrong way.

Pete. Not. Light skin. This might have been like the peak of the light skins. The light skin. You're right. It's just the peak of the, just like as of people. I had a terrible time in life.

In basketball. In basketball, I don't know if there's ever been a moment. for light skins that's better in 2015 well they can't say they have the only unanimous MVP so like yeah it's up there it's hard to do better it's up there that's up there this this is a season that changed basketball in every way yeah and his

yeah it never mind never mind but yeah you better start glazed you go ahead go ahead for chest no it wasn't glas no it wasn't no it wasn't glazed I'm actually interested it wasn't glades get up for chest okay no it's more like umar stuff

yeah I don't I mean and like you you talk about light skins people like they're soft and weak or whatever like step curry he's not like some like super strong guy so it's like the stereotype of what a light skin do looks like he is that light skin so you're saying him and drake in 2016 made it okay to be soft views did come out that year it did control no ways and curry when an MVP came together it made it okay to be soft controller and one dance and now you just have these light skins everywhere

whining like this is this is the peak of light skins as a culture yeah and Kelly Uber was at his peak too yes right Because Kelly Uber was out of speak. He was like one of the first players in his new era. And his peekers is being sexy. Yeah, exactly. Steph Curry made it cool be really good and to shoot. Kelly Uber made it real cool to be hot.

Exactly. Who's to say, which is more important? Next up, 2015, Steph Curry. Baby. Arrived. Yeah. I will say. Surprising, also?

Surprising. You can see that? What's the word for something that came before? Like the pre-something? Precedent? No. Preceding? Before the main course.

Appetizer. This is the appetizer before the 2016 main course. This is just a little drop-butt you got before you got the full low. This is just the little micro-versy curry you got before you got the legendary season. Said micro-currie. Like this was a taste in 2016 was the whole load. Hey. This is the definition of a breakout basis.

saying yes I agree but it's like the breakout before the breakout like 23 points for game he was obviously shooting crazy 67 wins but we didn't know that another breakout was coming right after this yeah so baby steps you're so disgusting i just respect paul pierce 2014 kevin durant it's such the same that this is his only MVP but also makes sense why it's his only MVP yeah yeah when you when you join step curry the next year a couple years later it's kind of hard to win more your best years are spent next to curry on a super team it's hard to win MVP's Definition of a bucket this year, though. Yeah, just machine.

Scoring machine this year. This is one of the best scores you will ever see in your life. Everything they say about young KD and how, like, he was the prototype, had no flaws. It's all true. Yes. It's all true. Prototype is, he's the definition of proto. Like, you have no idea how many players after this year.

Well, really it was like two years after this that started to get drafted, trying to mold their game around fucking KD. Yes, they're going to tell stories and make legends of young KD later on when he's retired. They'll all be true. Yeah. You got guys like Chet modeling his game after KD. Went Beach just a couple of games ago said yeah Katie was my favorite player growing up You got the BIs you got at one point in time people thought jaden McDaniels or jadeners is going to be no jaden McDaniels Keep him getting them confused was going to be like the next version of katy it's disgusting also loved

People forget because he ruined his reputation in golden state he was adored on okayc this is one of the most popular love players in the world I'll go thunderstruck nice yeah lovely yeah It's crazy because all the blaze they're going to say about katy in 20 years it's all going to be true. Like you, anything they say like, that's the best score I've ever seen,

the most, like he can do everything. And the biggest bag was really the best player, just yada yada. Like, he can all be true. Yeah, complete.

Like he's going to age so well. If you go back, like, it's always crazy when you see somebody, when you see these players that are like still, obviously super, super effective, but you go back like five years prior

and you see how fast they were moving. This is now 12 years removed from his MVP. And you see the twitchiness, how high he would jump in, over people like it was a different it's a different his ball handling how tight the crossovers were it was how low he was able to get two on those my he was pulled on Jumont Crawford moves like that how tight it was

it was crazy mm-hmm 2013 LeBron James goat missile mercenary killer oh mercenary villain villain well he dropped that after this year so you seen 2012 was a villain year 2013 wasn't yeah peak yeah yeah peak yeah peak is the right word this is this is this might be the peak of basketball. This might be the best version of the best

player of all time. It might be impossible to find a better season than this. Unstop. God. Unfathomable. King. I want to say complete. Deity. Batman. I remember. Who's that? He jumped. He jumped. Universal. Superhero. He jumped over somebody in this year. Superman. The third. John Lucas? Yeah. You're right. You're right.

Metaphysical. Galactic? intergalactic interdimensional you saw in space jam there's no aliens there's no official fictional beings

omnipresent what do you think his numbers would be like today if he was playing in the league but all that spacing right now Kyle LeBron yeah

well he wouldn't ever 75 because he still wouldn't be like he would still be a past first guy I think he would ever just moved like 30 but the efficiency would be insane so the same as his young numbers he probably average 32

about that Lucas shoots more than him so he's knocking into 34 number but 32 nine assists, nine rebounds or eight rebounds, probably about the same as he always was rebounding was. Damn, man.

True shooting, though, would be like 70. Yeah. He might hit 70. Yeah, he's supposed to be out the fucking. If sheik and hits 67, LeBron would hit 70. Damn, man. Yoko should hit 70 in the year he didn't win MVP. One of them. Yeah.

This is it's up there. 2012, LeBron. How many more words you get think of? Nightmare. Nightmare. Now, this is the village. one. Hated for sure.

But it was like fake villain. He wanted to be the villain. This is redemption. This one also is still not villain. Because he dropped the villain. Oh, if he lost. Yeah.

Okay. He was like, I wasn't myself. Like I was trying to play into this thing and I'm just not that guy. Okay. So no, redemption is the word though. This season is all about redemption.

About finding his way back into the goat debate after he had the worst loss of any all-time greats ever had in 2011. Pure redemption art. Got clamped up by JJ Barreya. That's what's worse. It's like, you can just play bad. But the fact that we,

can say the eighth man on that team was small white and he punked you tough yeah ultimate disdain fuck the dpo i rim protector fuck dirk it was j j jrera and we're always just gonna say that j j j jr jr bray and jason terry yeah we're gonna say this dot in his eyes are the ones who locked you up the ultimate stand on any superstars fucking career bray and then this came back redemption yeah i was gonna say only 46 and 20 i forgot short in season yeah lock out but wrong one 2011 Derek Rose historic, iconic, youth,

Midwestern athletic. I'll say, no, I'll say hope. This was hope for the Bulls after the in-between era after Jordan. They finally had their young hope

doesn't lead them to a new generation and have them be contenders for 10 plus years. The new Jordan was here. Yeah, I think when I see this version of D. Rose, I'm like, man, explosive. Like, whenever you think about

an explosive young guard, the conversation always starts with D-Ros, and then you go ahead and talk about the Russell Westbrooks, the John Walls, and all that. But it always starts with them. Yep. What could have been? 2010, LeBron James. Unit.

Just move in different. Vertical. I'll say vertical. The way he was jumping at this time. He's a specimen. Yeah, the way he was driving and dunking, just for ferocity. Tomahawk. Yeah. I'm going to headband here.

I'm going whimsical. This era of LeBron was very fun. Like they were dancing in the pregame. He had all, you know, handshakes with everybody. He still has handshakes, but you had that, a lot of celebrations that were pre-planned with his teammates. He was still having somewhat fun. Oh, I'll say solo. He had no help.

He was by himself. It's the year that led him to form into Heedles, didn't have what it takes to beat the big three in Boston, be able to contend with all the best teams in the league. Solo. Man, stop acting like Mo Williams. Was it up process? Stop. He was an old story.

I'm not going to lie. Stop acting like Zendrinis. Like Big Z wasn't knocked down from 18 feet. Is Big Z better than Yaka Pertil? Two years ago? Yes. Two years ago when Yaka Ferdl was good? Yes.

Or did he just play with LeBron? What if Yacquiportle played with LeBron? We'd be, Pertil! Remember him so fondly. Yo, his life would be so different. If you replaced Moe Williams and Zendrinis with 23 Yaka Purtle and 2021 DEL, does anything change?

Yes, they go out in the first round. I don't think so. LeBron might get them exactly as far. 2021 D-Lo, yes. I put a D-L-Say, all-star. Was that 2019? 2019, D-Lo, and he also had that fake All-Star? Oh, no, no, they...

D-Lo. They went out in the second round this year? Yeah. Yeah. Same thing. Yeah, same thing. Yeah. Same guys.

2009, LeBron James. How many words can we use, man? Prince. This is the first MVP? Yeah. Have you watch these highlights recently?

I've seen him I've seen him He's so fast He's so fast 09 LeBron Oh my God Watch those highlights If y'all ever

Dude you know It looks like Derrick Rose highlights But he's fucking Six inches taller 50 pounds every year He moves ridiculous Nightmare

Train Amazing Oh No that was a nasty Sticky Ted 2008 Oh my gosh right Fire picture

A jersey is hard They need to bring back All it takes is to make the collar White with one color in the middle That does so much And then the drop shadow numbers Bring it back The collar is everything

This one earned Oh deserved again Yeah Yeah we're earned Right before this He got robbed by Steve Nash right No people say that But he didn't get robbed

He was third place He was third place He got robbed He got by LeBron LeBron was second Yeah he got Steve Nass. Yes.

It's impossible. You can use one gun to rob two people. That's what Steve Natch was doing. For multiple years, nature let this Canadian get away. Lock him up. 2008. Legacy pick.

He had to get one eventually. This is his year. He finally got one. Cemented the legacy. He can have MVP. What might say Kobe did the robbing this year? Who? Chris Paul.

Oh, man. Man, stop talking, man. That's lies. That's lies. Okay, man. Chris Paul was going crazy that year. That's lies. I will say.

That's a better take than people that say he should have had, he got robbed the year before whenever he was third place. Hey, I'm a Kobe guy. I don't want to say it, but hey. Not relaxed. Neither one of robberies like that. But, like, that was closer to like a Chris Paul could have got it. I wanted to say it for Derek Rose earlier, too, but we went a little bit too fast.

But hey. Yeah, we just be nice to them because Derek Chris is tired. So we just, we ignore the fact of Laplace's best player. This guy doesn't respect hoops There's a lot of them that we're just like Listen we respect 11 respect 17 We doesn't matter about the other guys It's cool man, it's cool

2007 Dirk Smooth Skilled Pressure Okay after 2006 He had a lot on his shoulders Yeah Had a lot on his shoulders

But also failure Because he accepted this one at the crib That's the craziest thing Failure you're right Number one CD MVP and you get bounced out. Stink. Unbelievable.

You allowed another franchise to have the ultimate underdog story at your expense. You were Goliath to their David. That's embarrassing. Damn. Embarrassing is a word for this MVP season. It's literally because Dirk and the Mavericks could not win that series. Stephen Jackson runs around like he's popped. Stephen Jackson has the crowning achievement of his career.

Him and the We Believe Warriors. That is the best thing of their career. And now they get to live on forever. He created multiple media members. You gave Stephen Jackson a platform? He gave Stephen Jackson an origin story. That's crazy. 2006, Steve Nash.

Stephen Jackson saw that he go swing on me. 2006, Steve Nash. Efficient. Robbery. Oh, whatever. Blueprint. Blueprint, for sure. For sure.

shaped the modern NBA, which didn't know it yet, an efficiency. Only 18 points per game, 63% true shooting for 2006 is fucking bonkers. It's like 10% over league average. That's insanity. The offense was all about

making the most happen, the least amount of time, being efficient with your movement, efficient with your shots. They were really laying the groundwork. Influential. Because you can play like this for a year and get your MVP

and it would be like a nice blip. But the fact that you have back-to-back MVs of this play style does cement it for the rest of the league of, oh, you can actually kind of do this. Two-time MVP's crazy, man. Good for him. And that's the last one. That is the last 20 NBA MVP's.

Wow. Next thing we are going to do, we're going to play the imposter game. Okay, let's do it. I'm going to have Andrea, Texas names. There's my phone. Oh, my goodness. What, do you trades are happening still? Yeah, no, it's something small. I'm being stupid. Bullshit. Josh Mino.

He's gone. And Hunter Tyson has got traded. Crazy. Hunter Tyson. We're going to do the imposter game. game with B- Souls. We're going to do four people. We've never done it before that way.

We have all four of us in it. This will be fun. Now, we're getting names text to us right now. Okay. We lasted this on the NFL show. And you didn't know the macha thing with Caleb Williams. That was crazy. Yeah, no.

I was out of the loop. I can't believe that one. That one wasn't an instant tell. I thought I said too much. I know. Okay. Text should be sent. Is everyone good?

No, I have nothing. No text. And that's what you deserve. It's nothing. What I do? Nothing. You got your text? Okay.

There you go. Got it. All right. So you guys know how this works? I still don't have a text. You'll get it while I talk. We're going to take turns saying a hint about the player. One of us doesn't know the player.

Other three do. Just text on Andre. Yo. Come on. What's the word? All right. Until we can try to figure out who the imposter is. And at the end, whoever is an imposter, if they're found out, they have a chance to guess the player.

Okay. You got it now? Yeah, let's do it. You go first. And we'll go you, B, souls, me, Mo, go around the circle. Guard. Okay. Shooter.

Shooter. Quick. Okay. Guard, shooter. Quick. Young. I would think so. Yep.

Mature. Young but mature. Young or mature? Some of you might be lying. Okay. Short. Okay. Okay.

Light. In what sense? Both. You light my fire? You're the star on my eye. You make my life brighter. Okay. Um, popular.

Underwhelming. Underwhelming. Hmm. How to make it mean. Yeah, we always to say. Beating around the bush, somebody had to say it. We do, um, new gen.

New gen, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Does that count? We already said young. You said young. I know what he means, though. We'll let a slide. I know what he means.

Not every young person embodies new gen. Okay. takes inspiration takes inspiration yeah what fuck does that mean what you don't you don't get it get what from that okay okay

um burner burner is that okay gotcha kind of the same of another answer I'm assuming I know what you're talking about heard I understood

heard Take a note, imposter. Colorful. Colorful. Artistic. Controversial. Controversial. For his color.

You're doing citizens? Not the color. Go on, man. All right. Important school. Important school. Yep. Yep.

Important school. Your building matters. He's an X-Men. We will go with coordinated. Coordinated? Like, coordinated or like making plans both

no I don't know he makes moves yeah I'll say I'll say moving coordinated isn't every basketball player coordinated no no never mind sometimes you're James Wiseman or something I don't know

I think if a guard is coordinated though he must be suck to be James Wiseman he's getting all types of strays for no reason do he be on YouTube making the most like wholesome motivational speech videos also I don't know he's coordinated I don't know why I meant to

like any bad big he's not his sheep to beat it's like oh bear his sheep to beat not James Wiseman I'm gonna suck to be James Wiseman We've been to get a 20 video about your name in vain bro he's just trying to figure out

in vain shout out James Wiseman man I'm gonna go performative Performative Okay I was To some to some To some annoying

That's kind of like performative, so I don't know. To some, it's annoying. Hmm. I'm going to say trendy. Okay, we're all being on the bus. The same thing here. I'm ready to vote. One more go.

Donovan. We will say, Curly. What the fuck does that mean? What do you say? What work? Curly. Curly.

Let's vote. Yeah. Who are you thinking? I'm going to mo. I think he didn't know And then I think he knows now Yeah I think he figured out Yeah I'll go Mo

I'm going to Mo I was actually going Donovan But okay we can go Mo We'll go Mo We can go Mo We can go Mo Me? Should my imposter mess up

I'm going B souls Either way MOS 2 votes Are you the imposter Nope That's right because I am the imposter What? You figured it out Is it Jeremy King?

Yeah Okay I figured it out Damn You won You figure it out. This is the actual first win. That's crazy. You alluded to fingernails somehow.

I said colorful. Yeah, I thought colorful. And then new gen. I was like, I was like, I got it because you're talking about like bright in how much he was like a sunshine.

I meant light out of weight at a skininess. I was hoping he was small. And then he asked which one. And I was like, I want to say TikTok so bad. Yeah, that's why I said trendy. I was like, okay.

Yeah, you guys gave him away. That's too obvious. Let's do a second round. It's very hard to like, because he's also only been in the league for a couple years. I like there's like a lot, a lot. Yeah.

Um, I haven't been the imposter in a long time. I know. And you won. This is the first win we got. All right. Cool. That was an easy name too to like figure it out though.

So like a lot of times are harder. Yeah, we got a lot to say. I almost leaked it and I was like traded. But I was thinking the same thing. I was hoping that I was going to see somebody said two teams. I have feeling good with Jerry McCain. All right.

All right. All right. All right. Everyone have it. Yep. Mm-hmm. Okay. Don, you go first again.

I'll go first. I just want. Intriguing. Me second? Yep. Okay. I would say he is, you said intriguing.

I'm going to say, smart. Okay. Would you ever say dumb? He would choose up the comment. I wouldn't go that way. I won't go that way. He did not the brightest.

Blanky. Spiritual. He is spiritual. He is spiritual. I'll say two words. Must see TV. People are not going to get that. The damn crowd eaters.

Okay. Musty TV. Cool. Young. Fresh. I go controversial. Nice. I'm gonna go

freak. One of the people don't know shit. Elaborate. And I have an idea. He's freaky? Yeah. Yeah. You get that vibe?

Okay. Yeah. He does some shit? Yes. I hope not. Oka. I think it's fair. Okay.

Good team. Uber athletic. Okay. I mean, freaky Uber athletic. Safe assumption, but a good assumption that was. He survives.

I'm noticing. How do I describe this player? Uber athletic and not freak and freak too not. Is that not two different things? It's a close enough ball and I'd probably think to say that too. I don't know. Some people got their preferences.

Maybe he's freaking in an unathetic way. They exist. Could it be a phrase? Does that have to be one word? Whatever you want. Okay. I think he needs a new haircut. Okay.

He's like, cut that shit off. Okay. I'll go the other way. Good haircut. I like it. I like it. He's a lineup, man. Could use a lineup.

I'm pro. Okay. Can you use a new haircut. You like the haircut. Be different. Yeah. How would we stop making our superstars be sheeple? You got to stop talking.

Okay. Elite. Okay. So here's the thing. Donovan's the imposter. Do you want to give me any more hints or do you want to just call them out? Come on, man. He hasn't been said

A lot of bullshit Are you ready to vote? Yeah Can you one more? Yeah, get one more Can I save yourself? Balding Balding

Balding Yeah Imposter Not even true Impostor Do you want to save yourself? Are you an imposter? Of course

Do you know the player? No Take a guess Zion No Balding was terrible It's Wemby He's already bald

Yeah It is Whemby That's funny What kind of Are we talking about? the last couple of times he was really locked in with this type of freaks

he was a big hit right here he's your freaking out oh shit the rope I know I put the rope on I'm shit I got an imposter

and I text Andrebeck I said Please not give me these battles Next thing we are going to do We're going to go over to hootot.com, and we are going to do a blind tier list. This time we have a blind tier list

of 2010's All-Stars. So you guys know how this works? Four on the bottom, three on the second level, two and one, so forth. First name up, again, all 2010s All-Stars. Blake Griffin. This is tough. I want to put him in Tier 3,

but it feels like he might be Tier 4. If they're all-stars, he's not one of the five best players of 2010s. Never made out the second round. I think he's tier four. They're all all stars. So I think we can say if they go tier four and I feel too bad about it.

Yeah. He's just is the top of tier four in my heart. Yeah. Tim Duncan. 2000s. I think he's tier three. Yeah, wasn't in his prime, but it's Tim Duncan though.

Yeah, yeah. So again, for like late 2010s, we'll go tier three. Do you want to do everybody in the prime, what do you want to do? Yeah, prime in 2010, sure. Okay, so we'll do the version of them

in the 2010s decade. Yeah. Tier three is fine. We'll probably get three people that were superstars in that year. Still making all defensive team. Mark Gassall. Tier four.

Yeah, that's tier four pretty clearly. We don't got to feel bad about that. Anthony Davis. Fuck, man. In the 2010s. Fuck, this is hard. Late 2010s, he's clearly better than Tim Duncan. Yes, but he spent the first two to three years.

Wasn't even in the league in 2011. 2012 and 2013, he's a rookie. Maybe we should think about the best version of a player in this decade. That's probably the best way to think about it. 2017, 2018 AD is one of the most insane freak athletes at that position that I've seen in a long-ass time. Actually, we can't do just the best version because Tim Duncan was really good in 2011 or 2012 for instance. So, okay, so we'll weigh him down because of the first half of the decade he wasn't on much. And it's not like he was winning in the late 2010s.

Yeah. I'm thinking, I'm not thinking about winning at all. I'm just talking about you as an individual. See, that's the problem. Come on. He was in New Orleans. You want to go tier three or two two two? I want to go tier two personally.

because he was that different. People forget. There was a moment where he also had an argument for like a top five player in the world. Yeah. Even in the late 2010. So we can. I say, I say three.

Let's go tier three. We'll be fine. I say three. Clay Thompson. Four. Four. There you go. What?

Barely an all star. Camelo Anthony. Four. Oh, fuck. We have nothing in the top three. We should have put AD number. We should have. Fuck.

Do you want to put Camelo next to AD? No. No. Different. No. The second half of the 2010s was rough. It's disgusting. Oh my God, we're fucked, man.

Lamarcos Aldridge. Oh, this is nasty. Welcome to Tier 3. Listen, man. He was putting up numbers for the whole decade. He was available. And that's it.

Kyle Lowry, fuck this chair list is terrible. Oh, you guys. Tier 2. And Chris Bosch. Put Lowry at 1 at. At this point. Chris Bosch, 2, 2. He has rings.

That's fine. They both have rings. That's okay. Okay. West of Westwick number one. That's not bad. For one. It's not good.

We saved it. We saved it. Have we put... We would have been cooked either way. I'm not going to lie. We had to put AD on 1. Okay. Yeah, we're waiting for a hardened,

LeBron, KD, Russ. Talking about AD at 1. Do you think Rush should be one? Russ should be one? Russ got an MVP in the 20... Okay, so cool. You're right. So we should have been Russ 1, 82.

You're right. Russ is the only MVP here. It's a terrible tear. Let's do another one. I don't know. It's just, damn. This was dog shit. We don't want, do we can pick categories on here.

I'm not a lot. That was, that was, that was terrible. Damn. Oh, we do have a good trade. Good trade happen? Mm-hmm. Zubach to the Pacers. Okay, so you guys already heard us talk about that

because they're going to add it back on. Damn. Let's do. Let's see, what do they have on here? The clip is saying, fun of all this. Likeskin dudes. Lyskin dudes. I'll see Lyskin dudes again.

Fuck it. We're going to put these lights and dudes into a blind tier list. Let's do it. Brandon Ingram, Tier 4. Yeah. Well, there's probably non-all-stars on tier I think he should be tier three. But also, there could be worse.

Is this all-time? Yeah, if it's all-time, I don't know. Probably. Okay, we go to four. It'll be safe being tier three though. Is this a guy? Like, he's cool. We go to four.

We need an all-star. Do you want to go to three? Do you want to go to three person? There's probably five superstars. Better white skin dudes? Yeah. How many? We're going two-four.

Jason Kidd. That's top three. I mean, outside of Curry. If you remove Curry, if you've removed Curry, you said we don't get him on here, Jason could could be one. Sure. So we want with tier two?

Yeah. We're really just waiting for Curry. That's fine. Ben Simmons. Four. Four. Come on now. At his peak, good.

Jaylon Brunson. He's tier two, I fear. Ah, um, tier two. We should probably go tier three. There's probably three Hall of Famers. Brunson might be on that path,

but not there yet. Tier three is safe. Tier three is super safe. You give me two more years? Maybe, maybe. Okay. But tier three is a good starting spot. Jason Tatum.

That's a ring. That's two. That's tier two. That's tier two. That's tier two clearly. That just means we're saving one for Curry. It's a mistake. Tanya.

You want to go Jason Tender with Tier 1? Y'all know me, man. It's cool, though. It's cool. Get the fuck out of my face. If we can't put Jason Kibble, we're not doing that. Wembe didn't even know he counted his light skin. I mean, he's so young.

Does he have to be tier four? We got to. He'd think he's tier three. Yeah, he's better. As a talent, as an individual. Just go how good they are, time of player in the world? Sounds better than you do.

Haliburton. Tier 3. Crazy run, but tier 3 overall. That fits. Yeah, he's not going to number 1. You got to save me, man. Okay, so now we have three left.

Two needs to be tier 4. If we get two Hall of Famers, we're fucked. Yeah. Okay. Trey Young, tier 4, perfect. Damn. Tier 1 in my heart. Right below Halliburton where he belongs.

Darren Williams. Four. Okay. Four. But we don't know that we're getting curry. I'm sorry. Let's put the gamble in. we're not doing Darren Williams.

If we lose on the last one because we save the spot, then it is what it is. What if we get Gabe Vincent's? Well, we get Gabe Vincent. Oh, well. Then you're the king of the light skins. Yeah.

If you're the king of the light skins. Damn. What if you guys say at Hardinstein? No. No one out. You got to play the game. You're miscategorized. Tier four.

Tony Parker. King of the lightskins. He's mischievous. Tony Parker's light skin? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I thought it was just a French dude.

So you can have first license. You didn't know he was black? No. I thought he was like, oh-huh. Nah. I don't know.

This is. He's just French and tan. You thought he was outside a lot. Wait, time on. From my whole life until recently, I thought Jason kid was just white. Wait.

Wait, so what did you think about Wemby? I thought it was a white skin, black guy. You just did that. Tony Parker was also black. Yeah. Because he has like white facial features. Okay.

I could, I could understand that. I know he's black. So it's hard for me to put my mind into your spot. But when it comes to like his facial features, I could see him like as a, as it's like strictly white man. If he was purely white,

I know what it would look like exactly. And I obviously understand you thinking that Jason Kidd was white because he said he thought it was just, we got to put, we got to, you have to make them like a course of like knowing the differences between someone who's light skin and not light skin. Just look at the skin color, bro.

They all look the same. Last thing we're going to do today We have to make the greatest NBA lineup of all time Point guard through center With nobody that can shoot at all Five non-shooter is the best team we can make Constructing that Easy

No mid-range jumpers or three-pointers That's easy Okay Where are we starting? Number one, Magic Johnson He is a midi But it's not like a go-to No one really talks about it

It's a set shot If we're really hounding him We're going to force him to pass Which he likes to win in For his era, he's not a complete non-shooter. I think for the spirit of it, we have to go like non-shooter. Who are you thinking at the one then? I don't know.

I guess we have to go Ben Simmons. You want a good player? Oh, you want like someone who has like zero three-point shot tendencies? We get no. Yes. Yes, we get non-shooters is the point. Okay. So we can't, I can't do Draymond out the four?

No, he's definitely a shooter. Rodman then at the four, mate. Ben Wottles. That's why it's hard. I think the players that fit. Do you want to go Shaq? You guys want someone rubbing shoulder to the shoulder into pain. Shaq can attack with no spacing.

So we have to go Shaq. He does new shooters. Shaq. Shaq and Robman because Robman is versatile enough. Yeah. I almost think we should go to centers and just hope we can post up because there's no shooting,

no spacing. Who could pass a little? Maybe like, do we go Kareem and have two guys that can attack on the block with somebody else in front of them? Okay, yeah. Like, is that our best bet to go all in on sides

if we're not going to have shooting? Did our Rita Savonis have a jump shot? Does he have a jumper? I can't remember. I don't think so. We played one year in the league like that. He was good. And that's why it's like the passing

from the big man position. Let's go Kareem. I like that. Sabonis could be interesting. Don't a lot of Shaq. Yeah, because now you have some interior passing, a little wrinkle. I don't want Sabonis. I don't trust his defense.

Arvitas, not. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I have no idea if Arvitas was a good defender or not. Do you want to go Arvitas? You want the passing? That's interesting. You want a little flare? Sure.

He's seven, too. He's also massive. Yeah. Okay, okay. Okay, okay. Okay, but Arvita, Subonis of Power Forward. Wings. Let me double check.

I'm sure he wasn't. Wings is easy. like that. No, I think it's fine. Yeah. Wings. Do we, I meant Thompson is a non-shooter. He's trying now, but he's still on non-s shooters. I think the Thompson twins we can count as non-shooters. Anytime he's on the three-point line, teams are like, we do not care. Do you want Tony Allen?

You want to get one of the best primitive defenders you can think of? First team. First team. Oh, okay. If we're going one of those guys, I'd rather have Tony Allen than Andre Robertson. I'm just saying, man, if you want to get to the niche. But I'll go Tony Allen. Okay, Tony Allen's the three. He's a better defender. So Ben, Sam and Tony Ments. On the island. Yes, guards, we need people that can cut.

That's important. If they can't shoot, they need to be able to do something. A SAR is a really good cutter. A SAR could be a men's a better cutter. A men is shooting threes now. Does that do just qualify him? In the modern NBA, everyone's going to shoot him. He's still bricking.

Yeah, we got to do four era. Four era, you have to shoot them, but he can't make them. So I think we could go a man at shooting guard and still count as a non-shooter. In my dreams, I want to close my eyes and see the ASAR Thompson spin move. You're going to go Saar instead of the men? Yeah. He never gets picked. Okay.

Sure. Everybody always highlights him, man. Let's pick Asar. He's special too. You're right. A sari is shooting guard. Point guard. We could go Ben Simmons.

He's used to playing with bad spacing. Bledsoe. No. He would shoot. It would be like 29%. But he would shoot. Was Penny Hardaway shooter? Like enough in mid-range?

I wouldn't. From mid-range, you probably get enough. He has a spinning jump shot. He probably can't pick him. Young Jason kid. He's one highlight. Young Jason kid. Can we go Rick.

Young, young, young Jason kid. he couldn't shoot a lick. Young, Jason, kid's good. I think if you have a nickname where they make fun of you not having a jumper, I think that's fair.

Okay, Aeson Kid can make our list? Not Jason, only Aason Kid. Aston Kid, but he was co-Ricky of the year. He wasn't shooting him a little bit, was he? No.

That's crazy. Because even Magic as a rookie, he still had his mid-range. His mid-range is more like hook shots and floaters and stuff. But like for the era, I don't think they were calling him a non-shooter.

No, but you're not even looking for like shooters at that point. But so we go A-Sin'Kid, Tony Allen, Asar, Arvitas, and Shaq. Yeah. It's not bad. Is that the best non-shoot team you can think of? It's not bad.

Not terrible. Not terrible. We can just go Shaq, Kareem, Arvitas, and just go Big Z. Span. Shout out B. Souls. Our first episode with our producer in the room now. She's been here for about a week now. He hasn't been on the mic.

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