The Deep 3 Podcast - We Graded Every NBA Finals Player's Performance | Ep. 93

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

Today we grade every player in the NBA finals and react to game 3! Check out the new crayon eater merch!: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Shoutout to Coinbase! Use promo code "20DEEP3" and ...sign up for a new Coinbase account to get $20 of free Bitcoin after you make your first trade! Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- New merch! 3:16- Mo's haircut 6:00- Game 3 Finals Reaction 38:55- Finals Player Grades 1:12:16- Producer Corner 1:27:23- TikTok Time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 So the second most important thing we got to talk about today is the fact that the Celtics pretty much is guaranteed that they're going to win the championship. It's pretty much in stone. Long road to get here, lots up and downs for the Celtics, but they're here. We're going to talk about that plenty. The most important thing to talk about is what's on most chest and what's on my chest, which is the new crayon eater merch. Oh, shit. Oh, my God. This shit is fresh as hell.
Starting point is 00:00:22 Oh, my goodness. Can you go ahead and get into detail as to what we see so far, Isaac? Time about, time, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me. No, no, no, no, no. We don't need to talk about the merch. Moe, what is on your face? What? What is on your face?
Starting point is 00:00:39 Melanin? What do you mean? You're a fool. We'll get back to that pretty soon. That's talking about there. We'll get into that story. Like I said, for the past two years, ever since most are calling you all the crayon eaters,
Starting point is 00:00:54 which somehow it's stuck, and that's the name of the audience, you guys, the crayon eaters. You're going to need it is what it is? you guys been asking for crayon eater merch of some variety and it took us a while but we came through
Starting point is 00:01:03 with three different designs in several different garments for y'all first off ago what I'm wearing which is I don't even know what you call this it's a crew neck with three crayons and some silverware around it it comes in this hoodie and I'm kidding what I'm saying
Starting point is 00:01:15 it comes in this crew neck and white and it also comes in a hat that we have here that comes in tan and white heart beautiful my personal favorite and I got it on for a reason then we got what Mo has on Moe has on
Starting point is 00:01:28 it. Oh my goodness. So right now I have on this fresh pack of Td3 crayons merch right here, got the logo to the right of my chest, and then on the back. The back is harder than ever. I believe you have it right there. We got four crayons of different colors. They said the deep three on them. It comes in the t-shirt that I'm holding that comes in several different colors, gray, white, I forget what the other ones are. I'm showing on screen now. I'm edited and post. We got it in the t-shirt and we got it in the hoodie that mo's wearing and then last but not at least we have one more design which also comes in a t-shirt the td3 famous crayons it looks like nathan's hot dogs or like a pizza shop and on the back we got this whole picnic spread yeah that's drawn on crayons on plates right there
Starting point is 00:02:14 that's a classic this is this is one of our bed this is one of our best that shit's going to put up the world numbers my version doesn't have it on there but the one you're going to be seeing has Mo's handwriting that says Mo was here on the shirt. So it's a nice little detail since Mo is the creator of the crown eaters. I figured he leave his stamp on one of our shirts. No, no, no. I am not the creator. You two are creators and the crayon eaters watching this shit is creators as well. This is a team. This is a team effort right here. And so I'll like to say is that, yo, we have to make sure that our base, our support system, the reason why are here continuously puts that shit on
Starting point is 00:02:51 and you watching this right now have an opportunity to do so rep the crayons yeah man let's talk about the finals before the cranium is crazy oh my god
Starting point is 00:03:10 I mean I don't know what to say crayon eaters rejoice before we get into the finals you know be sure likeness from YouTube, dropped five stars, ratings and audio, all that shit. Mo, explain what the fuck you're wearing why you look like, push-eisty, why you got the four bats on?
Starting point is 00:03:30 Four bats is crazy. I wish that had his voice. But earlier today, I went ahead and got... Can you try? Can you sing some of the lyricific on it? Nah. No, I'm sorry, I can't do it. Can't do it.
Starting point is 00:03:45 earlier today went to a Dominican barbershop I saw I saw my poppy and I dapped him up whatever cool actually I lied I called him called him he didn't answer I was okay cool maybe he's busy it's like 10 a.m. or whatever I don't want to blow up his line so I'm gonna go ahead go to the shop anyways show up there an hour later he's not there I'm like okay I thought I set up on this a schedule appointment with you he didn't show up and I'm waiting for like 10 20 minutes 30 minutes starts to approach and I'm like okay, I can't sit here all day and I have to get a cut because I'm going to a quite literally a wedding the next day. And so there's a random dude who's sitting down. I see him. He's a barber,
Starting point is 00:04:26 but I never see him cut people there. He's just sitting on the chair. I never seen him cut anyone's hair. So that should have been a red flag. Should have been, you know, when the number one signs, I should never want to him. So I'm like, hey, you free. He's like, yeah, I'm free. And he dashed me gives me the meanest dab up like I was his homie for 12 years or some crazy shit like that. And so I'm getting my hair cut. He asked me. He asked me. okay a whole bunch of questions how I like my hair I like to close my eyes during my hair just because it's weird having like making
Starting point is 00:04:51 locking in eye contact with your barber you know so um halfway into my hair cut I realized wow bro I'm like wow bro my fucking hairline looks like the Batman logo I look like I'm calling out for Bruce Bruce Bruce in this shit bro I was about to say Bruce Brown
Starting point is 00:05:07 so once I got home I was like wow I can't walk outside like this and on top of that too he fucked up my hairline cut my beard entirely too low and then he gave me a Hitler mustache fucking me up in every single way possible It was terrible
Starting point is 00:05:25 You got the full You got just jumped by one man It's crazy And Nelson Cheena And then he also chipped my Eyebrown It's fixed now so you can't notice But chipped him
Starting point is 00:05:35 One of my eyebrows out Without even asked me If he if I wanted to touch up on it So he just did it So that's why I got the shycy on my right now He gave you like the little Dilo slashing eyebrow No no no no no
Starting point is 00:05:44 He tried to shape it up. He tried to shape it up with regular clippers, too. He got you looking like a Puerto Rican dude. Yeah. It was terrible. It was terrible. Bad bunny type. I see.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Messy. Nothing else used to be so. RIP. Well, the Celtics are up 3-0 in devastating fashion to me as somebody who wanted the Maverg to win. In glorious fashion, the Celtics fans, who told us all you this would happen. They were right. The Celtics are so much better. the Mavs, even with our Chris Osporzingis, even with a rocky start that showed the value
Starting point is 00:06:19 of Christos Porzingis, when the Mavericks were getting to the rim in the first quarter, I will, even with all this adversity, they come out, go up 3-0 in Dallas, just look like the better team in every fast that the Mavs are overwhelmed. How are y'all feeling? Listen, I kind of like expected it. I knew by the, listen, you can put whatever, LeBron meme, you know, say I'm captain or whatever. I knew, by the end of the first, first quarter out, like this game's over. Like the Celtics are going to win this game because the MAVs came out. They did what desperate teams do, right?
Starting point is 00:06:53 Especially whenever, you know, you're down 02, you go back home. You come out with the flurry. They jumped out on top. They had a really big league. Karee was going. Luca was going. And you're like, oh, okay, here we go. And then the end of the first quarter happens.
Starting point is 00:07:06 And it's still a close game. And then we get to halftime and the map's only up by one. And so even with Kyrie and Luca doing, everything that you want them to do. And it's probably a situation that mass fans want to be in. This is the entire argument for people picking the Mavericks, which is if the game is close, I'll take Luca and Kyrie because I think that they can, I think that they can, you know, close the door.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Yep. That necessarily, that didn't happen. Celtics blew it a little bit in the third. And it's like, okay, if it's, if it's tied at halftime and the Celtics and only Jason Tatum is playing well, they're going to turn up and it's going to be over. you know why it didn't happen the fourth quarter it was close it was a two-point game multiple times in fourth quarter but luca dants just fucking fouled out no not even even even even even even even before that even before that this what the sultics do i know they came they went up 20 the fucking math came roaring back and if you
Starting point is 00:08:02 were that person that believes that you know close game loop can close it out he can't close it out when he fouls out and when he's rolling on the ground giving up five points because he's complaining about calls this is i tweeted out criticism luca dantsich i'm so pro Luca and always defending him obviously I cheated today I was like listen he's really testing the limits of this whole archetype of player whose offense is so good they can have terrible defense we've seen that win
Starting point is 00:08:26 and we've seen that be top players in the league he's really pushing it because his defensive effort today was detrimental and I know they haven't lost any of the games because they've lost it in most part because their offense but they are having to do so much schematic gymnastics to build around his defense and make up for it they're doing in the first quarter
Starting point is 00:08:45 they're like he's not even trying to defend drives anymore because he's blown out so bad he just like stands there and they pre-rotate because they know he's not staying in front of Jalen that just building into their defense to rotate immediately. It's crazy how much they have to do you mentioned how end of the first quarter you knew they were going to win
Starting point is 00:08:59 of the first 21 maps points 18 of them were at the rim they were getting wherever they want whenever they want and then by the time the first quarter ended they were only up by one because they were up by six and then Luca won shoots a three
Starting point is 00:09:13 falls on the floor looks at the ref complains four on five on the other side and Samhouser fucking nails the three next play
Starting point is 00:09:21 shoots a three falls on the floor complains doesn't get up Jason Tatum wide open dunk immediately like that changes the game gives his fucking self
Starting point is 00:09:30 momentum because of him laying on the ground stopping dropping and rolling stop dropping rolling I've heard that combination of words since I was like
Starting point is 00:09:38 eight years old that's hilarious I saw it twice in a row it was ridiculous is like Luke how do you film I'll let you go yeah yeah I don't listen the we should start game four Lucas should already have a technical the so already have a technical bro the fact that lucca doesn't have a technical in the series is crazy because not only see argue in every play and you would think that the rest would get to a point where they're finally like eye bro like
Starting point is 00:10:05 you need to calm down and at least get one of those he's jumping up and down in their face he's waving in his arms he's doing all the the Draymond green stuff and even Draymond, even Draymond will get a quick tech and they might not give him one for the rest of the game but they'll start him off with one and just be like kind of you know kind of
Starting point is 00:10:24 relax just tell him a little something these reps are so scared to give Luca a technical it's so ridiculous and the only people who are benefiting from it are the Boston Celtics for all the reasons that Isaac said and the fact that he is a complete cone on defense
Starting point is 00:10:40 and it's not even five on five defense it's four on five defense a majority of the time because of the complaining because he doesn't want to slide his feet because he's not guarding anybody and again they're not losing because of because of Luca but he is but in that aspect he's not helping them right he's not at all exactly he's not he's not even just of a straight average a solid team defender where a lot of other great players, great offensive players, like Yokic Curry, all those guys. At least they weren't embarrassing on defense
Starting point is 00:11:17 the way that Luca has been. I think exactly. Right now, what I'm seeing is a huge issue with Lucas. Like a lot of people love to talk about like how he plays with pace. He probably has the best pace offensively, but defensively too, God damn. It looked like he has crazy pace too
Starting point is 00:11:33 because sometimes it looks like he's running and trying hard and all of a sudden he's just in mud, quicksang, can't move his feet whatsoever. So that pace also seems to follow him for all of these, like a lot of reasons. He's mostly jokes, but tired and effort and all those other stuff. But I think what we're like all noticing and really seeing is that through all the series that they've went through, whether it be the plus the against the Clippers or the Oklahoma City Thunder or the Memphis or the Minnesota Timberles, which he really had an opportunity to do so.
Starting point is 00:12:03 This team punishes you in every single way possible because they have the bodies to do so. and they also have, of course, like the schematics behind it, too. And that's what we weren't, we weren't able to see the Minnesota terminals to do so because Jane McDanielan can only do so much. Obviously, Rital Bear is Baird, offensive bag is limited. But for a team like the Boston Celtics, this team right here that we're witnessing is one of the best teams that we've seen as of late. And also, they quite literally outclass the Dallas mammaries, not from head to toe because
Starting point is 00:12:38 Lucas Luca's Luca, but from like neck to toe, basically. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I want to quickly shout out our newest sponsor, Coinbase. Right now they're offering a deal where if you sign up for a new account and make your first trade with the promo code 20D3, they'll give you $20 or free Bitcoin. And once again, all you've got to do is sign up for a new account and make your first trade to get $20 or free Bitcoin with the promo code 20D3. Um, yeah, the Luca conversation on defense is interesting because a lot of
Starting point is 00:13:05 made about his improvements this year, right? We've seen him have earlier in the playoffs. really legitimately great moments defensively. Yeah. So I don't want to make it sound like he's just like the worst offender in the league. He's not like on 2019 Trey Young timing. But there's a specific reason or reasons why he looks so fucking horrible this series and why he looked so good in the previous series.
Starting point is 00:13:22 You look at the Clippers, who are their best players, Paul George, James Hardin, these guys that are not the most gifted athletically at this point of their careers, right? They're older. They're not beating you with speed necessarily. Luca is a big body with length and IQ. He can stay in front of these guys, one-on-one isolation. Same thing we saw with Ann Edwards in some spurts
Starting point is 00:13:39 when he had some good stops and won them games defensively We know we think about that lob That he broke up when Mike Conley Try to lob it to go bare to close the game He has a specific physical traits To allow him to thrive in those scenarios Celtics like Mo said
Starting point is 00:13:52 Are not one of those scenarios in which he can thrive This team Jalen Brown is the fastest man on the court And he knows it Jason Tatum also quick They keep the ball rotating nonstop He has to close out to shooters Be rotating on a whistle And they can make
Starting point is 00:14:06 can pay because that's not his strengths at all. He's a truly atrocious softball defender. And that's shining, right? You add the injuries to that. You add the offensive load. He's been exposed defensively in the same way that like, you know, whenever Curry got picked on by LeBron, that's such a specific way to target his biggest weakness that people were like, oh, he's the worst defender ever. It wasn't really the case, but like, how was he going to defend LeBron one-on-one? That's how I feel looking at this where, you know, actually didn't even say that, because he can do a better job. He can fucking try harder. he's just not and they're built to make that lack of effort really come out and be really noticeable
Starting point is 00:14:38 yeah man i remember in like 20 like 2015 2016 when we were in peak james hardin era i remember i went on youtube one day and i typed in james hardin good defensive clips because i was i was trying to i was trying to see his highlights right i wanted to see what he did good and the google search corrected me and they said no you don't mean to type in James Harden, good defense. The auto-correct was James Harden bad defense. And that is exactly what it feels like with Luke and that's what he's putting on film for this finals, where everything that he has done and all the improvements, people are going
Starting point is 00:15:17 to search for that when they're trying to argue for Luca in the offseason and they're going to go on YouTube and it's going to be like, actually, you know he's not that good. Like, you know he's actually kind of this cone and it's, I don't, like part of it is effort, but I also think that like the part of his game where he like argues with the refs and he stays back that's that's who he is he's done that his entire career so I don't think that that's anything that might be fixed going forward and so I do think that there's going to be a certain level of defensive lapses with him that's probably going to stay with him for the rest of his career.
Starting point is 00:15:59 Yeah. I think also, you mentioned the crying about fouls. Again, rare time where I'm here to slander Luca today because I think he was also fucking them offensively at the end of the first quarter and started the second quarter. You know, I mentioned 18 of the first 21 buckets were getting to the rim, doing great productive offense on that side. And then sometime at the end of the first quarter, he didn't get a foul his way. And he just like snapped into that mode where he's like, oh, I'm going to show the refs every
Starting point is 00:16:25 play that they're fouling me. every time down he would drive pump fake lean in and try to get a foul he did that like seven times in a row while being a cone while laying on the floor stopping dropping and rolling right there buckets yeah that time he made the shot that was actually dope
Starting point is 00:16:39 listen we're watching highlights we're not watching the plays around that exactly the plays around that he tried that so many times and was just bogging down their offense with bullshit and just really hurting them on both sides of the ball by allowing himself to get into this like mental battle where I don't know I guess he's trying to prove to the rest
Starting point is 00:16:54 that he's getting foul every play and it took them out of their rhythm that led them to have that big league in the first quarter. Now, while we are kind of like ragging on Luca, there's plenty of the reasons why the Dallas Mavericks lost this game. You know, like P.J. Washington
Starting point is 00:17:10 not, he didn't have necessarily a bad game, but he wasn't there for like the first three quarters or felt like. And he had a couple of plays in the fourth that made it seem like, you know, it was a close game, which it actually was, I guess. But the game is, like, the most, like, jarring thing for me,
Starting point is 00:17:26 Of course, Luca can't escape this as well because he's a part of it. But the Dallas Mavericks haven't cracked 100 points yet in this series. If they were playing like this, the regular season, they would have the worst offense by far. And it's not even close. That is like the biggest takeaway from this. And that shows whether it would be like, you know, just roster construction. You guys see, oh my God, is that Tim Hardway Jr. on the court? this dude hasn't made a shot in like four five weeks it's been a week we got so many minutes today
Starting point is 00:18:01 he got so many minutes and went oh for five 19 minutes for tim hardaway junior tonight oh for five dude i'm glad you mentioned that listen yeah i'm ragged on luka because i have such high expectations for him right we talk about him is maybe the second best player in the world probably at least third like he is supposed to be that guy if you had hopes for the mad to win the series it was going to be because he his individual excellence can carry them not the case obviously But you're right Their offense has been atrocious And I think it's mostly because of Celtics defense
Starting point is 00:18:30 We talked about on the stream last week And I think last week on this pod After the first episode They've completely eliminated him as a passer They're not helping off a corner threes whatsoever And the Maverick shooters Really dope from the corners PJ Washington
Starting point is 00:18:42 Clay Thompson from the corner You put him above the break Michael Thompson maybe Like it does not look pretty by any means It flips the game flips entirely And it's all due to the Celtics defense The fact that they've been able to switch so heavy so effectively
Starting point is 00:18:56 as I wrote out of my notes even the Celtics you know quote unquote bad defenders were in their bags today Sam Hauser was switching onto both star guards holding his own one of those plays
Starting point is 00:19:06 where Luke was foul baiting is when he got switched on a Peyton Pritchard stood up and held him Hell yeah defenders even the weakest defenders were in their bags
Starting point is 00:19:15 switching not being able to be exposed we're seeing just an all-time great performance in Celtics in this finals I think good for you Peyton good for you yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:19:24 You guys, you remember that? I had a mini-argue with you, Isaac, about Payton Pritchard over here. Now, I wasn't talking about his defense, but God damn it, he showed me another aspect. And so what is the one? I'm taking it. Yeah. When is the only, God-Dame it? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:19:41 Who gives a shit? He was defending his ass off today. He was. Mind you, but listen, in terms of just bucket getting, Payton Pritchard was O4 for today. It doesn't matter. He hit that one-three last game at the end of the quarter. That's all he needed. Exactly
Starting point is 00:19:54 Yeah, man Listen, we can talk We've talked at length so far In the past two episodes Count on the stream Of why the MAVs are so down bad They're bigs ineffective They're shooters
Starting point is 00:20:05 Taken out by the Celtics We know what the matchup advantage Both sides have The MAVs are just overmatched We don't even got a harp on it But bro, I said it on the stream last week Now most people don't watch their streams I watch the pods
Starting point is 00:20:16 I'll say it again I found myself During last game And even this game too In the second half Looking at the Celtics team being like, damn, you got to give it to them. This is an awesome, awesome team.
Starting point is 00:20:27 As much as I and everybody else in the country that's not a Celtics fan have hated on them and not wanting to see them succeed, this is such a dominant, all-time great team, man. They're so good. Like, even without Chris Stops, they took the L that comes from losing him, held their own, dealt with the ups and downs
Starting point is 00:20:44 of all the runs the maps are going to make, played their game, and it showed in the second half that they just have a foundation of winning that is so good because Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum have gotten so good. Two years ago after that finals loss, we were talking about,
Starting point is 00:20:57 listen, these two guys have redundant skill sets. They're never going to win, playing off each other at this rate because they don't make each other better and yada, yada. They have both developed in such unique ways that I don't even feel that way anymore. I feel like they're perfect fits now.
Starting point is 00:21:09 I feel like Jalen's downhill aggression getting to the rim really shines to Tateum whose passing and willingness to be versatile on both sides of the ball has really gotten better. Like they fit like a glove now and I never thought I would say that
Starting point is 00:21:20 after 2022. Yeah, and especially the fact that like now like one of my biggest questions about this team coming into the into the postseason was like how they were going to operate in late game situations and now that jalen brown is clutch and he's out here making turn around jumpers to seal the game it's like hey i actually feel pretty good about them you know like that's the he's locked in that's the one thing that we can nitpick about this team throughout the regular season and really has been just a theme across other sultics team but not this team right because obviously we drew them
Starting point is 00:21:50 because Ingest and much different, but you still have kind of that hangover. But Jalen Brown, yo, at this point, he's finals MVP for me. Jalen Brown has been awesome. He scored the first 30-point game for the Celtics in this series. He turned up because he was having an awful game in the first half. He was not shooting well. And then turned up to score, I think it was either 24 or 26. I can't remember.
Starting point is 00:22:19 But I think it was 26 points in the second half, right? It seemed like every time that the Celtics needed a big bucket at the end of the game to keep Dallas just far enough away, Jalen Brown was there. Tatum had a shot that he missed. Who was there for the putback? Jalen Brown. He's hitting tough turnaround jumpers over Luca all day. This jumper right there over Tim Hardaway, Jr., a minute left to make it a two-possession game.
Starting point is 00:22:44 Like, he's been outstanding. It's the biggest shot of the series so far. I 110% agree with what you saw Tatum do in the fourth quarter. You know, he back with up. He was like one for seven in the fourth quarter, two turnover. Doesn't matter when your defense is that elite for someone of that size, you can do so many other things. And when you can rely on your defense as your crutch and have Jalen Brown
Starting point is 00:23:08 produce what he can produce in the fourth quarter, which is clutch bucks from time to time. And also just disastrous playmaking from Drew Holiday and Derek White, whether it be on the ball, off the ball, or just being defensive just like menaces and being a tornado and causing havoc
Starting point is 00:23:23 wherever you are like that's what they do you're able to see so much success what I've learned is that Brad Stevens is like the ultimate geek he Pythagrium
Starting point is 00:23:33 his way into an NBA championship bro that's all it is no this is one of the great GM starts with GM career ever like to make these moves
Starting point is 00:23:44 I think he traded for Derek White I think that was his first move one of them that was his first year do that trade then get Drew assembled one of the best
Starting point is 00:23:52 offensive back courts we've ever seen that obviously you get Christops for Zingis while getting picks back in the deal because Marcus Marr
Starting point is 00:23:58 had the DPOI aura that just an all-time great set of moves and you just like you said you look at rats devens
Starting point is 00:24:05 you're like damn this guy's great his job you look at the back court you're like dang these guys fit perfectly
Starting point is 00:24:08 I look at the Js and so I'm no Celtics fan but I look at them I'm like I'm happy for them I'm happy for them I wasn't
Starting point is 00:24:15 rooting for it obviously I wanted Luca to win but now that I know how it's going to go. I can take aside the biases. It's so good to see these guys who dealt with, still are dealing with in Jason Tatum's case, more than their fair share of criticism, more than what's fair. Most of it has been ridiculous. You know, last stream, me and Donovan argued for 30 minutes about Jason Tatum slander. They've been dealing with that and have
Starting point is 00:24:38 learned from that. They've learned how to lock in and not even hear it anymore. Like I said, they both improve their games in very specific ways to make themselves fit together. Jason Tatum might be one of the most versatile players in the league now. Absolutely. I never thought I would say that when he was first coming a star. I thought he was going to be back talk. I'm going to go get 30 forever. Now he's a guy who can defend fives and be the point guard on offense. Just fucking super soldier serum,
Starting point is 00:25:01 Draymond Green. That's crazy. Yeah. Let's talk about Tatum too. Because like you said, we had a very extensive Jason Tatum conversation on Monday or Tuesday on the stream. Jason Tatum, listen, this is what I was trying to seat right especially especially in the first half nobody else is playing well derrick white Derek white had so many shots in the first off in the first half where it was like way off right he's airballing he's hitting the knuckleball exactly it was not a great showing from a lot of
Starting point is 00:25:36 from basically every other Celtic outside of tatum yet he finished the first half he had 20 points he was shooting nearly 50% from the field he was he had an aggression to him that was like all right guys i understand you guys aren't here right now show up in the second half i got us right now and we're going to be okay and that was good and then also i feel like over the first two games he has been very weary um about what he wanted to do and his bad shooting has put him in positions where you can kind of see him hesitating to make moves this was as decisive as i've seen him and there was a confidence to him that i haven't seen uh in this series i I wrote it down in my notes.
Starting point is 00:26:18 There was a three that he had midway through the second. Yeah, there's a three that he had midway through the second quarter at the top of the key. And he, it's a one dribble pull-up into the three. And he shot it with so much confidence. And I was like, okay, like, we're actually, we're actually, you might see something from Tatum tonight. And he ends up with 31 points. And that is, that's the kind of games. And these are the kinds of performances that everyone's like, okay, like, come on, Tatum.
Starting point is 00:26:43 and so I listen I slandered him a lot on the on the stream so shout out to Tatum because he did exactly what I asked him to do for sure and it was obviously going to come right I said on the stream he's an up and down player not just the down player he's not going to be shitty forever that part's not surprising but the other part I'm just so surprised now that he's the type of player that when he has these shooting woes like the first two games he can be a guy that gets you 10 assists he can be a guy that dominates the boards is able to defend fives make Derek lively irrelevant like the sheer versatility he brings outside of his scoring now.
Starting point is 00:27:15 It's just so wildly different than who he was even two years ago. It's quite literally invaluable. And like, I think this is prior to the season starting, I believe, we were talking about like the Tatum leap and whatnot and what it would need to look like. And I was like heavy on like,
Starting point is 00:27:30 I don't know if, you know, what he's been known to be would look like, what the Celtics would need in terms of just like reaching this championship, unfucked with a level. And him growing from that 23, 24 year old that he was a couple years ago
Starting point is 00:27:46 and just like you know taking repeated dumb shots and all other stuff that normal 23 24 year old is doing the NBA to now like taking his time playing with pace reading what the what the defense will give him and whatnot like it's been smart it's been great
Starting point is 00:28:01 it's been just like he he it's methodic that's what it looks like right now and he's not forcing anything yeah yeah there's been obviously he's been so slander despite winning because nobody wants to root for the Celtics And they had to find something to slander to make up for the fact that they're so easily going to win.
Starting point is 00:28:17 So they've pinpointed it on Jason Tatum so they can say, hey, at least your star sucks. Take that, Celtic fans. And the conversation has been like, how are you going to, the first team to win a championship without a top 10 players since the Pistons and all this shit? It doesn't even matter, right? Like this Celtics team just clearly is, even Jason Tatum, clearly is just a me over team guy now at this point. And that's just very different than what he was when he was young, which when, you know, that team of Kyrie, when they talked at length now where everybody said they had too many, people with different agendas in that locker room. I don't think Jason Tatum and Jaylon Brown
Starting point is 00:28:48 were immune from that. They were part of that. They also were young, wanted to get theirs. We're focused on building a name for themselves. Now they have a name for themselves. And they're just focused on winning. They know this team is bigger than some of its parts. It's just a positive element in everybody's regard. Yeah. So the question is
Starting point is 00:29:04 are they sweeping or not? Probably at this point. Right. Are they sweeping or not? That can't happen. That can't. That can't happen You gotta think Luca gets won But thus far he has none So I guess he very well
Starting point is 00:29:19 Could get swept Then we'll be shot at The game two and game three You would think The game that the Celtics Don't shoot well in Don't shoot great from three That's the game to get
Starting point is 00:29:29 On the road and steal Mavs lose that one Now game three You come back home Right you're gonna get The role player bump All these guys are gonna remember How to shoot again
Starting point is 00:29:40 You don't win this game either And so now you're going into game four And I don't know if one Like the series is over We're not talking about that anymore We're talking about just how many games do you think that Dallas can get Dallas has been figured out Like Boston understands how to play them
Starting point is 00:30:01 They know how to beat them It's very simple And if Luca Continues to play the defense that he's playing right now PJ Washington continues to shoot from three the way that he's been all series, I don't think that they can get a game. So I'm going to say right now
Starting point is 00:30:19 that this series is probably going to be over, but the night this episode comes out on Friday, the series will end tonight. I think I agree. You know what? The Celtics have been so fucking locked in, Tomin set by Jalen Brown, that they are locked.
Starting point is 00:30:34 Joe Mazzula's, a sociopath, locked. I think they come out firing in the first quarter and I think they put him down early. and I think at that point I can see the maps folding like in a not quite in a 2022 suns type of way
Starting point is 00:30:48 but not comes about 40 but I think it's going to rain real early in the game then it's going to pour I can understand that I can 100% understand that but I just disagree I think if Luca plays four more minutes
Starting point is 00:31:00 then we probably have a different we're probably talking differently about this entire series right now I'm not talking about how it wraps up and I don't see a world and where like you're Kairi's coming off for 35 we just saw um Xavier Tillman go ahead and get 10 11 minutes and those 10 11 minutes that
Starting point is 00:31:17 we that he was on the court he definitely like although he had a three offensively you can tell like there there felt like there were warps on their in their offense and it was nothing everything just wasn't smooth yeah from the Celtics then when tellman was in the game so I think that the Dallas Syrians will go definitely out swinging and I can imagine like a luca 40p is probably a Kyrie 30 piece and whatnot and hopefully the world players get it together. We didn't see Derek Jones Jr. for a good reason because he wasn't able to provide any offensive punch nor really like defensive punch. And if Tim Hardaway Jr. are one of these like random role players, PJ Washington,
Starting point is 00:31:57 Jaden Hardy, if he ever gets him, it's highly doubt he will because this doesn't feel like a very Jaden Hardy type series. I can envision the matter of getting at least one for sure. So I disagree with your. Disagreeing. Good for them. The hell? Let them get one.
Starting point is 00:32:13 I just, I don't, I don't think so. I disagree with your disagreeing because once again, like you said, Tim Hardaway Jr. Disagree squared. Is awful right now. And the, the Mabs have went 11 deep in the second quarter. Like Jason Kidd. Now, granted, this is, this is something that I thought that he had to do just because he has to figure out, is anybody going to be productive?
Starting point is 00:32:36 But Tim Hardaway Jr. is clearly not. Maxie Kleber should not. he should not touch the floor for the rest of the series. Maxey Cleaver has been very unproductive to say it nicely. Jaden Hardy, Dante X-M, seven minutes combined. Like, their bench, we've talked, everybody talks a lot about how the South Sixs don't really have depth and, you know, their top six. Houser and Pritchard are playing.
Starting point is 00:33:02 They were able to get solid minutes out of Xavier Tillman. If any one of these guys off the bench can give Dallas some screen. going punch, then maybe. But it's been three games, and I don't see any of them popping off in game four. They haven't done it up until this point. I have no faith that they're going to get any substantial offense out of anybody outside of Luca and Kyrie. And because of that, I think Boston is just going to do what they do. They're going to wear Dallas down. And they're going to end this series on Friday. Yeah, I agree. I think the maps have no answers. They have no addresses left to make. They have to just pray that again, no Christophers. There's going to be some
Starting point is 00:33:38 games where the maybe the Celtics just don't have juice in the tank they got to pray they get a good night and then they're clicking at the same time none of those prayers have been answered thus far i have no reason believe they will be if luca gives just simply more effort on defense that'll stop like half of the wolves not half but like at least a quarrelals that the dallas mavericks have been facing if he can simply do that and stay in the game then i think they're going to just walk i wish that were something that could keep their way into a win I wish that was something that were simple but I don't think it is because
Starting point is 00:34:09 there's so many advantages the Celtics have top to bottom nobody on this team can stay in front of Jalen Brown's fast ass nobody can stay in front of Jason Tatum nobody can rotate enough to not let Derek White and out of course shoot all these corner three is like there's so many holes and must be plugged
Starting point is 00:34:25 Luca just can't keep up yeah and even and especially for Derek White who's having an off shoot tonight there was a three that he made towards the end of the game it was the most predictable three that it was that it was about to go and he was wide open on the right wing and as soon as he let the ball go i was like yeah cash like it's they are with
Starting point is 00:34:46 drew holiday shooting and playing the way that he has and then derrick white being who he is not only are they all good and they're all like amazing at what they do they have a way of hitting these timely shots and helping the celtics get out of trouble whenever it looks like this and the one the one area where I'm like okay maybe Dallas can can get a game is stuff like this where you're up by 20 again and you blow the lead and you're not able to close it out this feels like it should have happened in game one you up by 29 gets down to eight really quickly in game two once again you were up a lot towards the end of the game and then all of a sudden you look up and there's a five point game with a minute left maybe Boston chokes that chokes that
Starting point is 00:35:32 but that's kind of your only hope is that they beat themselves at this point Listen, A square plus B square equal C square Brad Stevens, congratulations if this does happen But I think Kyrie and Lucan would be damned To let Jason Tato and Derek White And all them boys lift up the layer of Brian Chofi On their court, what?
Starting point is 00:35:54 You want to have some nasty discourse? It depends what's it about. Christos Porzingis I've seen a lot of Celtics fans Very Listen All they can do is be happy about winning So they have to find something a bitch about as fans do
Starting point is 00:36:08 They've been very Dramatic about KP's injury And I've seen some Celtics fans Be like should we trade KP He's giving us nothing Because he can't play more than four games in a row Without getting hurt Should we just sell high
Starting point is 00:36:20 And get rid of him this summer Do you think Chris Offorsingis his health is an issue That is the most moronic shit ever KP is what makes them unbeatable KP is like one of three, four players in the entire NBA with a special skill set to block
Starting point is 00:36:36 and play to shoot threes and play defense at a higher rate is what makes them unbeatable at times. Not even at times. At all times it feels like, you know, this team was already good, fine enough, but damn, that don't make no sense. Well, if he's going to be playing for Boston City Hospital every week, doesn't matter?
Starting point is 00:36:54 Yes, it matters. I think it'll be moron to go ahead and trade him. Now, especially when Al Horford's like, What is he, 37, 38 years old? And, you know, no one talks about his productivity nowadays because it's so minimal. I think it'll be moronic. I understand it. But it's like, Tom, what do you think?
Starting point is 00:37:11 I see you smiling over there. What do you think, Don, you're just a sick guy for bringing that up. Listen, Celtics fans are sick in the head. They got to find something to talk about. You being the man while he's down, Isaac, that's not right, bro. I didn't do it. I'm telling you with a dumb Celtics man that's on Twitter saying, I don't think they should do it. No, we don't have to acknowledge that.
Starting point is 00:37:28 it is kind of insane that just his injury bad luck knows no bounds he had an injury that has been talked about a lot because there's a lot of words that i've never heard before the way to describe that injury is just crazy it's a very complex injury that nobody's ever heard of it was reported by woege that there are not by woege but somebody else actually that there have only been 30 documented cases 32. Yes. 32 documented cases in American records of this injury happening to anybody in the country ever. This is the most rare sports injury we've ever documented and Christop's prosenghis managed to get it
Starting point is 00:38:05 on a routine free throw. That is sick, bro. And if it was to anyone in the NBA, if you were to tell me this happened last week, I'll be like, boom, Prusengis because he just has like the worst injury look of all times. Sometimes it feels like. I would have said Zion.
Starting point is 00:38:20 But then Kawhi I would say Chris Paul Chris Paul Chris Paul is a quality thing Yeah Chris Paul's a quality thing Not going to lie Chris Paul is gonna like Has
Starting point is 00:38:30 I don't know contact fall out He's gonna lose a game Because of it Exactly He's just gonna wake up CTE He could be like How did he get it?
Starting point is 00:38:37 He's like I don't know I don't remember I don't remember You tell me Yeah man Well by the time The next episode comes out Next Friday
Starting point is 00:38:47 I'm sure we're gonna have The series being done Clearly it'll be a victory lap from the Celtics we're going to talk big picture what this means for everybody's legacy and the Celtics team
Starting point is 00:38:55 placed in history all that I think we can look forward to that next week in the meantime the title of this episode is about giving grades to every player in the series
Starting point is 00:39:03 so now we're going to do that which should be interesting because especially for guys like Tatum who lots of pros lots of cons over these first few games and someone like Luca who would have got like an A plus plus
Starting point is 00:39:14 if you did this after game two maybe not so much now only three games sample size very small amount of games to go off of we're going to grade everybody just based on these three games you all want to start
Starting point is 00:39:25 with the maps or the Celtics let's start with the maps because we can really run through them true okay you know okay so what are we going to give Kyrie Irving
Starting point is 00:39:34 who was ass and he went to and came a really good in game three and you know he showed up in the most important game but game two
Starting point is 00:39:45 specifically was very winnable if he didn't do awful so I feel like that should weigh him down a lot because he really could have potentially won him that close game to be honest i want to give him a c i don't i wouldn't even want to give him a b that's fair like c flat c plus c minus i'm i'm thinking c as well yeah i think he listen tonight great game 35 points the celtics have managed to eliminate him and lucas passers and you know lucca still able to do a little bit i guess because he's such a gifted passer but not really carrie if his shot isn't
Starting point is 00:40:17 falling like it wasn't the first two games he's giving you nothing. He is trying his hardest defensively. He doesn't have the lack of effort that Luca has, but the Southlux have done some really smart things where they have his man that he's defending sitting the dunker spot. So whenever Jason Tatum blows by his guy or Jatham Brown, Kyrie's the one to help
Starting point is 00:40:33 and he just looks silly, rotating on a drive. He hasn't been to be useful at all when a shot isn't falling for two to three games. I don't think we can give anything higher than to see. Yeah, I mean speaking to look and silly, there's just one play that's going to go vial for sure. I believe it already has
Starting point is 00:40:49 where Jason Tatum, I believe he had someone on the corner and Kyrie just was doing the whoopsie days. He's spinning it around. He didn't, he had no idea where he was at. It looked like he was getting crossed without the ball in his opponent's hand. It was crazy. Um, yeah, no, that play right there is very embarrassing and knock on I'd see. I'm looking past by the 35 points. I'm looking past by the assists and all that. This is a solid C man. The only reason, the only people were I remember we were ranking them, ranking the best players in this series and a BR stream. And we wanted to go as high as putting them in the same tier as I believe Tatum, which we had like a tier below Luca, whatever.
Starting point is 00:41:31 Like we can talk about how that tier system is kind of meh or whatever. But that's something that we wanted to do. And we all believe that in order for them to have a real chance in this series, Kyrie had to be the mega, the Megalodon version of Kyrie. we've known him to be over the last few years in the playoffs megaladon nice okay good good adjective oh this tweet and kill pull that's he has 9k likes damn it's going crazy while he'll be recording yeah you got clouds get to be a banger's all i did was restate what j jreddick said but fuck it ethical score but uh yeah listen if it was before if we did just the first two games
Starting point is 00:42:08 kairie would get the f imaginable for failing to bring value in the one main way he brings value but great game and game three got to give it to him c is i think us being nice. I agree. Let's go Luca next. Luca Donchish. I was going to lead up to it, but we can just talk about it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:26 Has been great scoring the ball, taken out of the game as a passer, hasn't figured out of the way to make that work. Maybe not necessarily his fault. Outright damaging as a defender. What are you thinking? He's still the best player in the series. Can we agree with that?
Starting point is 00:42:41 Yeah, definitely. I mean, listen. I mean, listen. Don't let how piss poor his season. team is like finesse you into thinking that he's lowered as a player his team his team being his team being trash has nothing to do with him being blown by every play that has that that aspect has has a little bit that no it it it doesn't if you're going if i say come here and it's one-on-one and i blow past you and you're forcing everybody you're telling me come here but right after
Starting point is 00:43:13 right before that i've been orchestrating the offense completely and i did that play after play after have to play after play after play like again so again so i'm not giving him a straight i'm not giving him a straight c but he is bad on defense yeah yeah it would be it would it would it would be less apparent if he if p. j washington and derrick jones are more equipped to defend the best players in the seltics lucca has to defend on equal footing everybody else he can't hide it all because their stoppers aren't real stoppery the series that does exacerbate a little bit which is his team you know not helping him very much there i mean you could also try to stay it's one thing if it's there's levels to it and the level that he is on is below the level of you're trying you're
Starting point is 00:44:01 just not good lucca is not trying and he's not good and so yeah i'm still going to grade him on on a curve because he has to do so much off offensively and i'm going to give him a b minus but Wow. I think B plus is fair. I was going to go A. I would have said A. I would have said A. First two games, it was A.
Starting point is 00:44:25 He was fighting for his life, scoring really well. Defense was bad. It wasn't, I don't know, maybe it's just tonight you're really stuck with me because three games in a row, whatever it is. But I feel like tonight was especially bad and the offensive issues today of getting into the bad habit of foul baiting and really losing that lead in the first quarter. I think it was more clearly damaging today than it wasn't in previous two games. where I think you can give him a little bit more of a pass in those first few games
Starting point is 00:44:48 of having the load like you're talking about having the injuries I think tonight it really came to head and it'll lower him but you know he's still scoring extremely well doing everything you can I think offensively I think even in game one like he ended up with a good stat line I felt like he had to like he had to really really work and maybe this is more me praising the Celtics more than anything else but I thought that he had to expound a lot of effort in game one Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:14 Scoring. Game two came a little bit, you know, it seemed like he had figured some stuff out. But I don't, I just can't get past the stuff that I'm seeing. Even in game two, there were cutups of his defense and how bad it was. It was terrible. You're right. You're right. Let me not act like it was good in game two.
Starting point is 00:45:36 It definitely wasn't. I think I'm with you where I'm trying, I want to give that credit more to the Celtics defense for being generationally made in the series. more so to, like, I think the fact that he's still scoring so well while they've been defending so insanely and it's so difficult and he's still managing to produce, that makes a little bit impressive to me from a scoring perspective that I'm still wanting to give him B plus. God damn, you know what I just realized? We're about to witness Luca Dodgers gets potentially swept in the finals
Starting point is 00:46:03 when Trey Young faced off against this team last year. He got a game on their own court. All right, all right. Just noticing. I want you for the next guy. Just kidding. Just kidding. Okay.
Starting point is 00:46:13 Chris Osperry. Derek White, whatever. I want you to just like jam it in your mouth so you can't speak. You don't want to jam what in my mouth? What? Oh my God. Anyways,
Starting point is 00:46:23 I guess you can go ahead and roll with Luca Dantz. B plus, bro. B plus Luca Dantius. But that's, that just means that he's the highest. Like, is this the highest that we can put it to your rank a player? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:46:35 We will see. No, I think everything's contextual of what they're being asked. So I think some Celtics will rank high. yeah uh yeah but okay that's fair that's fair that standards yeah that's fair okay okay but it's the highest a maverick can be ranked i can tell you that oh absolutely all right question der jones we can't come out we can save ourselves a whole bunch of time everybody else is enough everybody else no stop it stop it everybody else okay let's bunch together everybody else we can't be
Starting point is 00:47:09 enough let's bunch together everybody else is well tonight I think Derek lively and PJ Washington can get a D for doing something's productive Everybody else can have an F if you'd like Has Derek has uh has PD Washington Has he made more than one three He's he's made one three he's been one for nine Throughout this entirety of the series
Starting point is 00:47:29 His threes have been terrible But I think he's oh he was three of six tonight He was three to six tonight All right shout up PJ Shout out PJ Yeah his threes haven't been particularly good Before tonight And even tonight
Starting point is 00:47:40 I guess that was good I think he can get a D or maybe even C minus if you want to be nice because I think she's done some good stuff attacking, putting the ball on the court to make up for the fact that threes are being taken out of the game. I heard Zach Lowe say that Jason Kidd told PJ
Starting point is 00:47:54 Washington to go be our Magic Johnson, which is a hilarious quote. Actually, I think I heard Pierre say that on numbers on the board which is, you know, it's hilarious. Jason Kidd's old ass picks a big forward that can pass the ball to get his point across. But I think you see that. You see aggression on PJ's part
Starting point is 00:48:10 trying to make up for the value that he's not bringing as a shooter I don't mind giving him a C-minus or a D C-minus is perfectly placed because he was the second best player in game two He's been consistently just like The third second best player Throughout the entire series
Starting point is 00:48:25 For the map for the Dallas Mavericks I believe so C's fair Yeah I think he's been solid Yeah let's go see I don't think he's been bad The shooting has been taken out From a game plan perspective With the Celtics
Starting point is 00:48:34 He's gotten his most useful element of his game Taken away from entirely And he's found ways to be valuable In other ways Which is more than some of these other motherfuckers can say for themselves. I agree with y'all if we were ranking the players on the Dallas Mavericks. But if we are given individual grades, no, you're all bad.
Starting point is 00:48:54 You are all bad. You have played poor basketball for a week now. And the only reason why you guys are semi in the series is because of Luca. That's it. But nobody else. Oh, no. You got, they have, well. They have been actively hurt.
Starting point is 00:49:12 their offense and this is offensively exactly right defensively the teams defended well I'm not going to act like I get it Derek Jones can get an F how about that let's satisfy you there Derek Jones you get an F Derek Jones Tim Hardaway Jr. Maxie Kleber all of them you guys are F you're right
Starting point is 00:49:31 Maxikleba you get an F minus this motherfucker's shoulder does not work and he's still out there trying props to him he's like KP he said I'll die on this court that's why he gets a regular that's why he gets a regular F because he's trying to Tim Hardaway, Jr., you get an F-minus. That's what you get. He hasn't hit a song until May 18th.
Starting point is 00:49:49 Max and Cleave is trying. That's what I'm saying. Jason kid keeps letting him try. But him trying is actively detrimental. He has the worst plus minus on his team. He looks slow. He can't shoot. He can't switch.
Starting point is 00:50:00 He has been awful in every way every time he touches the court. What he can't shoot? Can't switch? Can't rebound? What can't he do then? Did I say this couple of plots ago? I was like,
Starting point is 00:50:11 he's a player. that's bad at everything but finds a way to be useful not an above average shooter not an above average mobility not an above average rebounder not a good shot blocker none of these things
Starting point is 00:50:22 and normally normally he finds a way valuable by just being really smart and being the right place hasn't done any of that so all the bad traits are just shining bro tonight maxi cleaver played eight minutes he had the second worst
Starting point is 00:50:35 plus minus on the team second only to Tim Hardaway Jr. these guys are so bad if I was Luca the one pass that I give Luca if we're talking about like complaining and being a bad leader if you see Tim Hardaway Jr. take a shot you have permission to throw your hands in the air
Starting point is 00:50:56 and be like ah here we go again right because these guys aren't doing anything so they're both getting Fs we can give Derek Jones an F who else can we give an F2 everybody I mean nobody else is really relevant sure you can you can sprinkle a little F on Hardy, Green and Exum, if you like. They don't really play.
Starting point is 00:51:15 Like, they play very minimal minutes. Oh, I'm giving Josh Green. I don't care what is on the stat sheet for Josh Green. I know somebody who's getting cardio when I see it. I don't. He is cardio, man. He sprints up that court so well. He gets, every time Luke gets the ball, you say, well.
Starting point is 00:51:35 He is taking off straight to the corner. I know somebody who's just out there for fun and trying to get their steps in. I see it. I've seen that person multiple times. He's trying to reach his 10K. Exactly. He can't close those rings? That's it.
Starting point is 00:51:49 If you don't think he has his Apple Watch on his ankle or something, I know what I see. That man is not out here for the love of the game. Okay. Daniel Gaffer can have a C as well. He's doing Daniel Gafford things. He's catching his dunks three for three from the field two of these games, not particularly defending well against the Celtics. He's getting stretched out at the perimeter. Doing Daniel Gafford things, very low standards.
Starting point is 00:52:11 think he can have a c minus if you'd like sure the real question is where do we want to what do you guys want to give kary irving we did him first remember yeah we did carry first damn this i see too too tight bro what the fuck i'm trying to lose circulation of my goddamn brain what do we give kairri irving no we gave him a c what did we give him a c lively who was awful in the first of games are pretty good tonight do we give him the same thing kirees give him a see i would give him a c for sure maybe c plus then he came out well i mean i'll give derrick live a pass just because I know that man still has a concussion that man was need in his head so bad and the guy hit on his neck directly the game after I don't know what protocol the NBA
Starting point is 00:52:53 put him through it's not the one that checks for CTE he's he might still be hurt I know they I'll give him a seat the first two games he was getting alive by KP he couldn't play so as soon as KP's gone we see more of the regular Derek lively we came to expect which was third best player on the Mavs that guy was back tonight because KP's long ass wasn't there to block every layup attempt he had good for him back to himself all right all right that's fair let's move on to the Celtics let's move on to the team that's interesting
Starting point is 00:53:19 well I guess that was interesting let me not even say that all right Samhouser see A plus he said a plus start his role everybody has a ragging on him as if he was a complete nothing negative outside of being white and shooting very well from the three point line that's it no one
Starting point is 00:53:34 saw the effort that he no one foreseen the effort that he would be giving on the on the defensive end moving his feet extremely well, making those extra passes just being right where he's supposed to be, which is out in the wing at all times. And when the defense... He hit three threes tonight and gave 14 minutes
Starting point is 00:53:50 a very serviceable defense on Luca Donchish. That is the most you can ask for in Sam Hauser's role. That's a star in your role as a ninth man off the bench. Good job, Sam. Best night of basketball of his entire life right there. He's the new fan favorite. It's the most valuable 14 minutes of his life. I tell you that. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:54:05 And like his involvement now. Payne Pritcher D Okay Paying Pitcher is 0 for 4 0 for 7 And 1 for 2 in these games He defended well tonight I don't remember how he defended
Starting point is 00:54:20 The first two games You guys decide I don't really give a shit He gets a D just because He listen It's like 2K He has a highlight play So you get a little bit of a boost
Starting point is 00:54:30 But that's the only shot he's made So yeah It hasn't been great All I remember Yep All I remember is he made that one deep three Literally the only shot And then he made Luca Donchage miss one jumper
Starting point is 00:54:42 Yeah, and the play right after that too Kyrie Isolam and he stayed right put put the clams on as well So I'd go ahead and give him a C just because he's like he's not hurting the team He can't okay, no no he's not he's not hurting the team Fair you can't well I mean the team's so great no you couldn't hurt him if you wanted you can't be one for 14 in no And you he could have hurt average he could hurt the team if he really wanted to he could be maxie creeper out there he literally could be maxed about there.
Starting point is 00:55:12 And he somehow finds a way to be positive. So he hasn't made a shot. He has a minute one today plus minus. He hasn't made a shot in the flow of the offense in three games. He's getting outplayed by Sam Hauser. No, you're not getting a seat. It's not about making shots at all times, bro. I mean, we were.
Starting point is 00:55:31 What else is? We're phrasing. Yes, it is about that. No, what do you mean? He's finding other ways to win just like Jason Tatum right now. To me, he's a seat. How many sisters? he have a good amount he had one rebound one assist tonight you only play 11 minutes
Starting point is 00:55:48 and too badger gets a d let's move on and two he's crazy wow yeah david toulman didn't play until tonight we don't got to rank him shout on david tilman he hit that three sure good for tilman great play let's get to the important part jaylon brown hey i was gonna say we mentioned in the last part that luca dants gets a b plus and he's the best player in the series so theoretically he should have the highest grade, right? I think Jalen Brown deserves an A. I think his two-way play has been suffocating to Kyrie Irving in the first two games. Not so much tonight.
Starting point is 00:56:17 Kyrie got in his bag a little bit. And he also did a really good job making life hard for Luka Donchich when he switched on him. And it's in making him work defensively in a way that is tiring him out, really shining Lucas defensive weaknesses. I don't know how we can't give him an egg. What is, what do we possibly lower him for? Nothing. You can't.
Starting point is 00:56:36 I mean, no, not really, right. turned up too. Yeah, two way demon. Two way demon is the best way to play it with the way he's been attacking the room full force and noticing whenever he has Luke on him, just like doing the simple thing, just going straight at him and second option after that, just kicking out and how he's been just blocking shots ferociously left and right, whether it be game one on Kyrie or whether it be like game two work. Like it doesn't matter. His impact has felt on the defensive end and especially like when he's just attacking the room, making those clutch plays, especially with the way he was doing in the fourth quarter in game three.
Starting point is 00:57:09 Yeah. Give him a... He's shot over 50% in every single game in the series. Oh, yeah. He's just been so consistent. Yeah. He's been trying to get into that finals MVP. Ooh, which is going to be a conversation we're going to have pretty soon because he's making a claim.
Starting point is 00:57:22 What? He's making more than a claim. It's his right now. It's written in pencil right now. I don't know. Jason Tam is good tonight, too, so we'll see. And there is something to be said as a fact that, you know, Jason Tendon is being the lead playmaker, which is valuable. but Jalen Brown's role is play off of that attention he gets
Starting point is 00:57:38 and make the most of it, be an efficient score with the one-on-one coverage you get because it don't embodies Jason Tatum, and he hasn't struggled with that even a little bit. He's roasted occasion and done better than you could have hoped. Now, I'm going to give it to Jainabra. I think he firmly has finals MVP right now. Yeah, Jalenberg has been helping closing these fourth quarters
Starting point is 00:57:58 if you've been, yeah, like the fourth quarter that Jason Tatum had was genuinely atrocious. No one talks about it, no one's cares. no one's going to really like nitpick because they won kudos good job or whatever but again like one for seven from the field i wasn't trying to say anything have you lost your mind no one's losing their mind i'm literally you've lost your mind picking out what no hold on hold on you has talked about this now no no you're right you're right i'm not disagree with you he was bad you've lost your mind if you think people aren't going to nitpick jason tatum we will be talking about
Starting point is 00:58:30 this today i'm not talking about people i'm not talking about people this is us three of us in this room right now for you're kind of kill I was kidding but um what are you saying yeah but
Starting point is 00:58:42 is there any argument for Jalen Brown to get less than a no there's not no no real one Mr. Mojo what are you giving
Starting point is 00:58:53 Jason Tatum me personally either a B plus or an A I might be okay with a B plus because why is that just the extra passes that he's been making in the rebound and just overall versatility and just being the best multiple versions of him he could be whenever he's needed
Starting point is 00:59:16 the most tonight earlier in the game uh being the offensive using all of his offensive firepower him good three after good three in the first second quarter and whatnot i think you put up like 20 points in the first half like you said it earlier donovan um but yeah no like the defense, the passing, the constant penetration, and just using his pace to set the tone for the Boston Celtics offense, which is what they haven't had. Or this entire era is what's making all, what's also making them feel like unbeatable at times. Yeah. So, I'll go B plus with you. I think we can't go A because the lack of efficiency in the first few games, you know, that's as important and really impressive every other element of his game was. That's part of it. And an A
Starting point is 01:00:02 implies like you're being like as good as you can be in your role and you could have shot better through two games even though that was fixed tonight. Donovan, as a president of the Jason Tatum Slander Club, Donovan, where are you going? Okay. I don't even think it's the slander club. It's more like a support group. I just, I want it. I want Jason Tatum to be great and I want him to want it for himself. And sometimes the way that he shoots, it gives me the impression that he doesn't really care about that. Right. So there's that. I think that is a hilarious way. to describe being a hater i'm giving him i'm giving him a b uh i think b wow was literally the difference between a b and a b plus is like an 84 to an 80s like relax true
Starting point is 01:00:49 no he shot he shot he shot very poorly um through through the first two games and then even tonight um like he still he still moved the ball a lot, I think, and maybe it just was as apparent because his shot was falling tonight and because he was very aggressive early on, um, looking for his own bucket. But I don't think that his passing tonight was on the same level that it was in game one in game two. And then if we are nitpicking, I guess the only two points that I'm taking away from y'all's grade would be the fact that the performance tonight wasn't 100% consistent and we get to the fourth quarter and there were a lot of miss shots and jalen kind of had to pick up the the slack there so those are
Starting point is 01:01:37 the small things but he i'm i'm not going to sit here and say jason tatum has been a bad basketball player through three games he's had shooting struggles but he's done a lot of other good things i think a solid b is fine i think that's fair there's like it said we talked about it at length last stream lots of things to point to that has done well despite the immense shooting difficulties but at the day you have to score efficiently you know it's not everything and we can as educated basketball fans realize it's not about being a box score watcher and just saying
Starting point is 01:02:07 oh poor shooting equals poor performance it's not that simple but it is one of the more important parts of the game especially as elite score you know you shooting well despite tough coverages as part of being a superstar so it has to be accounted for in some way calling someone a box score watcher is like a top tier basketball community slur
Starting point is 01:02:24 it's hilarious oh well Twitter's full of them the Jason Tim discourse has been nothing but box score watchers having a field day. Listen, his opponent, you know what I'm saying? Uncle Drew, Uncle Drew said this game has always been and will always be about getting a bucket. And sometimes Jason Tatum just don't be getting buckets
Starting point is 01:02:41 like that. So I'm going A ball don't stop-ass logic. Gross. I'm sorry. Okay. Derek White. What are we giving Derek White? I pissed him off. Derek White deserves a cool B-plus. You could talk
Starting point is 01:02:59 see me about an A, but I feel comfortable with a B plus. Yeah, it's hard to. I mean, Derek White has been Derek White, right? Like, he's so steady. And obviously he didn't shoot super well tonight. I can't remember what he shot in the last game either. The whole team didn't shoot well, so he probably didn't shoot great. But he's been Derek White. He had a clutch block as one of the best shot blocking guards we've ever seen. Defense has been great, making all the plays. He's been Derek White. He's been hitting all the bailout threes specifically as well. I remember down the stretch, there was one play where drew holiday i think it was in the fourth third quarter actually drew
Starting point is 01:03:31 holliday was uh head down towards the rim and he threw a pass in the air midair and i believe it was with it was with his left hand threw it out to derrick right and he cashed and that helped the boss of celtics not absolutely blow the lead that they had so i'll go ahead to give him a b plus maybe in a because he's been doing what he's doing yeah i'm going i'm going to the same thing I think Derek White, he had a bad first half, but like he is over and over, Derek White is just timely. He's always going to be in the right place at the right time, especially whenever the game gets tough. Yeah, he started off one for seven today, ended up, ended off the night four of ten.
Starting point is 01:04:16 So he hit his next three shots. They were all threes. It was very, it was, you know, big, big, big stuff for it, or I guess I think two of them were threes. so big stuff he hit a very clutch shot towards the end I'll go B plus as well okay Drew Holliday A minus Yeah I think it would have been an A plus for the first two games
Starting point is 01:04:38 You know he had that big 26 point second game Went 11 for 14 from the field 11 rebounds First game only 12 points but really The first two games was a defensive masterclass Really shut down Kyrie Irving With the help of Jalen Brown Derek White You know heavy switching defense But as a primary assignment Drew Holiday has made
Starting point is 01:04:54 Kyrie Irving's life hell Tonight, you know That normalized a little bit So he's no longer like Oh my guys, he's the final's MVP But you still can't be upset With his performance in any way It's been same thing of Derek White
Starting point is 01:05:05 He's been Drew Holiday Yeah and even with the stuff Even with how good Kyrie played tonight He still made Kyrie work For a lot of his shots Kyrie still had to take some He had to take some faders Had to take some leaners
Starting point is 01:05:21 Drew Hollidays is those two guards, Drew Holiday and Derek White, we can say everything about their games. And at the same time, you can say nothing. Because at the end of the day, you just can be like, yeah, like, that's Derek White. That's Drew Holiday. They're going to do what they're going to do, right? They're going to play good defense.
Starting point is 01:05:40 They're not going to be stupid with the ball. And I do, listen, this is part of the reason why I was like, this is a really, you know, big upgrade over market smart. I think we all thought that but he's been every piece as good as the Celtics wanted him to be whenever they made the trade
Starting point is 01:05:58 to go get him so. Yeah, I'm going to agree. These two have clearly been coached up to they've clearly been coached up to disrupt Kyrie and Luca's ball handling and really reach for the ball a lot. Clearly Joe Mazzulu saw something that if you get into their handle
Starting point is 01:06:14 it'll really disrupt their drives and Drew Holiday has been doing that every single time really making it hard for them to get to the rim by just pressuring their hands And that's one of those little small things that most people won't notice, but it makes a huge difference
Starting point is 01:06:25 to keeping the Mavericks out of the rhythm. Yeah. I 100% degrees reeking havoc. Al Horford. What are we rating Al Horford as? Really set up tonight in the absence of Christophers for Zingis. The first two games, I saw a stat
Starting point is 01:06:41 that when being target in isolation, teams were shooting, they were shooting less than 20% against them. And, you know, they put them out there a lot and, like, really tried to beg Luca Dantches to attack. him and dare you to beat us one-on-one against Al and he held up really well he was I think Al has been I think I was been really good in this series I would teeter on that like a
Starting point is 01:07:05 minus B plus line depending yeah depending on how you guys feel I'm good with either one of those but that's kind of where I'm at Al Horford is so steady and ready at all times rebounding whenever he can spacing the floor out making those time you pass as well, just like every other Celtic feels like, I'm cool. Dude, we're saying the same shit about everybody because they've been so dominant and all the ways you'd expect.
Starting point is 01:07:32 Hey, minus, like, he's just been great in the same way. He was great forever. It was precisely what you'd expect from him. This is the most Al Horford series ever. He's not going to be like dominant game breaking, not going to rebound heller or block hell of shots, but he's going to get you them 10 points, 12 points. He's going to get you like 5, 6 rebounds.
Starting point is 01:07:51 And he's going to make sure he gets those three, two assists in every single game. I think he's the Michael Jordan of Max Cleepas. Don't. Don't disrespect. Al Horford like that. That's disrespect. He just called him Michael Jordan. He's the Michael Jordan of Maxie Clebers.
Starting point is 01:08:09 He's the best possible version of this guy that isn't going to woo you in any of, in his old state, that is, in his old age. He's not going to woo you in any hardcore skill. Like, you know, KP is going to woo you with the shot blocking his three. point shooting. As 38 years old, Al Horford is not going to blow you away in any of these singular facets, but he will find a way to be in the right place and make you better every time he's on the court.
Starting point is 01:08:33 Comparing him to Maxi-Cleva is disgusting. You know how this format works. He's not being compared. I know. I see how that format works. Like, you're using this. He's fulfilling all his potential in terms of whatever that idea is. I get it. I understand it.
Starting point is 01:08:49 He's the gulp of Maxi-Cleva's. Alhoer's just a bad in general If you're the goat of anything Then you're in good standings Disgusting Okay That's good and fuck
Starting point is 01:09:00 Let's just throw Chrisuss We're using us an A minus two This whole team gets them Performing as well as you could possibly hope Joe Mizzulu gets an A plus Jason Kidd gets What does what does Jason Kid get?
Starting point is 01:09:10 Because he's getting pretty fucking dominated You said Jason Kidd? Yeah Now how much of that How much of him getting dominated is also his players just suck this series so yeah he can't yeah but they didn't suck last series i don't think players suck i think joe mazou and their game plan is just so much better guys got to make shots i i feel like there's a baseline of players having to to perform and then
Starting point is 01:09:38 jason k can have a little bit of i'm not saying he's perfect or nothing but you got to give him something to work with and we've seen a majority of these guys not give Jason Kidd anything that he can look at and be like okay I can put you here I can put you there it's more just about like can you do anything I think the bigger problem is that they can't get shots like it's hard to exaggerate how game breaking it is that they cannot get a corner three off that the Celtics have successfully completely eliminated that these guys are talking about PJ Derek Jones they just cannot get a shot the Celtic the mass are taking like 25 3s a game as Burt mid-sentence those are taking so few threes
Starting point is 01:10:18 they're not being put in a position to succeed there's no counters being thrown in that are effective they get them easy shots they're having to make it work in the toughest possible scenarios and again that comes down to the personnel the Celtics have but Jason Kidd has failed to find a counter if there is any
Starting point is 01:10:33 I mean you're right his job as a head coach is to put his team in the best position to succeed but at the same time I agree with Donov is only so far your team can take you because like who else do you want to take him like five threes outside of Luca over five days outside of Luca Kyrie and like PJ Washington like I don't trust all of
Starting point is 01:10:53 those shooters I don't think they were built to go and do so about that it's he has to just find I mean again the realistic outcome is probably there's no way to do it I think they're yeah they exhaust all options and they're just outmatched personnel wise but you know surely some coach out there would have found a really smart offensive counter to produce open shots I don't know it's probably not impossible in Jason kid's defense he watched one game of his team play against the Celtics and was like yeah i'm going to have to play my games on this like i i'm going to have to start something in the press conference he knew after game one that they did not have any hope and so i can't really bash him because again i don't think
Starting point is 01:11:35 that he has are you telling me his biggest counter was saying that dylan brown's the best part on the celtics what else he had three cards to play he's like this i can either have the celtics destroyed from within or I can play Tim Hardaway Jr. Neither of them worked by the way but like he had to do something so. Listen, their defense has been good
Starting point is 01:11:58 and that's Jason kids calling card he's never been an offensive genius. Yeah, I don't know. Let's just give him a D I guess. There's no, there's nothing positive that's happened or changed for real for this team. So they still haven't cracked 100 points.
Starting point is 01:12:13 That's absolutely disgusting. Give him a D. Yeah. All right, well, that's the end of our grades. I think now it's time for producer corner nit nit nit nit nit nit nit Nikiel's moment is here
Starting point is 01:12:25 that was a producer tag I'm gonna keep that in there normally I was gonna edit that out like that was so good Now we do the transition card after Mo got that off What's up y'all Welcome to producer corner
Starting point is 01:12:40 Hello That's what I was expecting All right I think you guys have an idea What's about to happen Let me tell the viewers. I have no idea. You should have a perfect understanding what's about to happen.
Starting point is 01:12:55 So we're about to find out who is king of the crayon eaters. All right? What does that mean? We're going to test each other and see, and this is like a complete, like 100% accurate evaluation. We're going to see who knows the most about each other. Okay. You guys ready to see that? All I guess so.
Starting point is 01:13:14 All I know is you ask me two questions. I'm going to need my phone. you're going to need your phone we're going to new school with this oh shit what is this are we playing cahoot
Starting point is 01:13:27 yes we're playing off-brain cahoot as soon as this thing starts up you couldn't afford regular cahoot is it cost money no this one's better because regular cahoot has a premium now which is kind of crazy
Starting point is 01:13:37 oh what they don't put a pay wall on my childhood RP I ain't a lot I might lose this bitch because I won't talk to Isaac or Donovan
Starting point is 01:13:45 unless I'm fucking recording videos It's not true I know The slime You're making up thinking you hear You're in constant communication Blakely falls They have my location
Starting point is 01:14:01 Pain All right Here we go There we go There we go to play. Go to play.booklet.com Okay Play dot booklet
Starting point is 01:14:14 Blook it I know the question Look it oh bloc yeah i can't i can't see el typer bachle bit bookies let's see come on now
Starting point is 01:14:24 i i'm excited at this okay i know what this sounds like i know the two questions you asked me but i don't know if everybody else was the same questions so it's a little trial run there's only two questions for each person obviously if the question is about you
Starting point is 01:14:39 don't answer it like if the question is about Isaac then isa obviously you wouldn't answer we're trying to play ethical cahoot right now I like this goldfish is hard gotcha okay so I'm waiting for the host we here shout on Dimo okay
Starting point is 01:14:56 Who the hell is Bradley Cooper Sounds like a football player There's okay listen there's three of us One has my name The other has your name Let's no Bradley Cooper is in real life He doesn't know
Starting point is 01:15:08 Bradley Cooper the actor Oh I thought it was a football player Sounds like a tight if I heard one before bro I was about to be like damn He sounds nice. Should I tap in? That is the widest name of all time.
Starting point is 01:15:20 That definitely sounds like it could be a tied in from Iowa. Yeah, exactly. All right, y'all good? Okay, so how does this work? Let's roll. It's basically exactly like a hoot. So I think we're going to start off
Starting point is 01:15:30 with a question about Moe, and so you and Donovan are going to answer and, you know, we'll just go from there. Okay, here we go. Let's do it. This is different. I'm with it. All right.
Starting point is 01:15:40 Three, get ready, y'all. How old was Moe when he had his first, kiss I don't okay so my first thought was like probably young
Starting point is 01:15:50 I don't know it feels like a moe thing but then again we saw a picture from last week and he was he was ugly
Starting point is 01:15:54 as fuck all right when did Moe glow up I'm was ugly as shit when we saw that picture for him
Starting point is 01:16:00 was like a 12 year old all right I sent my answer Mo can you defend yourself right now no this is not my question
Starting point is 01:16:06 bro okay I submit my answer I bet I think I can just go ahead wait Mo just type in
Starting point is 01:16:14 one or something just type whatever cool okay did you guys both put 15 wait two was got it right oh no okay never mind that's something you responded so
Starting point is 01:16:24 so the answer was 15 mo was 15 years old when he had his first case oh i got it right i said 15 wow and then donovan what do you put I said 11 11 years old
Starting point is 01:16:37 11 who do you think I am you thought he was in middle school just slinging it around dude you saw that You saw that picture of him when he was 12. He was mud. Why would you possibly think he was mud? What the fuck?
Starting point is 01:16:53 11 years old. I've seen ugly kids kiss before. Like, I've seen it before. He said it happened to me. I'm right here. You've all seen people that you've been like, you're with somebody that's crazy. That's wild. No, I'm not
Starting point is 01:17:13 I don't know how I got that right 15 that's fucking crazy It's because you know Listen, you're going for the crowd You might take the crayon eaters That's all right Listen brother poopers up All right next question
Starting point is 01:17:27 What would Isaac say Is the most annoying quality A person can I have I got my hand turn already I promise you guys are not going to get this I typed it. I sent it. All right.
Starting point is 01:17:45 Isaac said that the most knowing quality of a person can have is supporting the KKK. All right, bro. Okay. Well, hold on. I have something that could fall into that umbrella. I just say, what did you say? Yeah, we can make a different call.
Starting point is 01:17:59 Just straight dumb. I said, I said stupidity. Yeah. What did you say, Mo? Dumb. Same shit of Donovan. If there's, Isaac's right. Listen, if there is one thing that Isaac, Isaac hates a stupid person.
Starting point is 01:18:14 Yeah. I was just going to say, I hate the KKK. You might be okay with them. But if they're stupid, oh, no, you can't stand them. No, I don't hate a stupid person. I hate a stupid person that's loud about it and thinks they're a genius and will, like, be loud and wrong and pretend they're an expert on everything. Like those motherfuckers that do, like, one hour of YouTube research and think they're an expert on everything,
Starting point is 01:18:37 that this week they're arguing about the WMBA, last. that are arguing about AI the week before that the blockchain like they pick a new topic I mean he's called you just say his name listen y'all don't understand what's going on right now but this is an extremely targeted attack no it's not I hate all those instant expert motherfuckers that think they're geniuses the worst you could be is ignorant and confident together bro he's sending up the heat seekers in this bitch right now that's what I see this is extremely Targeting.
Starting point is 01:19:08 Which is Isaac's version of like the shoe fits. Ignorance and arrogance is a deadly combination is the worst. It's fair. Isaac, do you want to give them I think we're right though?
Starting point is 01:19:18 I give, some people are just dumb and they're not annoying about it. That's fine. Good for them. That is so funny. Okay, I'm going to give you all points.
Starting point is 01:19:25 All right, everyone's tied to one. Let's go. I guess his next thing is about me. It is. On a scale of one to ten, how gullible do you think Donovan considers himself? Probably very.
Starting point is 01:19:37 I got my answer I put eight Damn you all are quick Listen Godwin Wow I said six Wow All right y'all
Starting point is 01:19:48 All right y'all split the difference I shouldn't know but said everybody picks fucking seven That's such a just like a go to answer I was I was gonna go eight My first my initial answer was eight And I changed it to to seven But so I point shit It probably is eight though
Starting point is 01:20:03 I just can I we both leaned obviously like yeah he's kind of goal What made you, like, say that, Isaac? Whatever you see from Dom was just like, oh, my God. I don't know. Why did I, why did I immediately say, oh, he's gullible and shit? I don't know. I think, like, if I see, like, a random person, like, if a random person were to tell me something, I would be very cynical. But if I know you, you could tell me anything and I would believe you.
Starting point is 01:20:28 Because I would be like, because, like, we were talking and you were like, oh, yeah, like, I did this when I was, you know, 14 or this happened yesterday. I'd be like, okay, like, why would Mo lie to me? Like, I just wouldn't think that. I wouldn't think it at all. It's actually kind of wholesome. I guess that's what I said. That's why I thought that because I'm the opposite. I'm very like, be for real.
Starting point is 01:20:49 Like, I'm very questioning of everything. And I feel like you're the opposite. So I immediately was like, oh, he's not me. He's in here. Okay, what's the next one? All right. We're snake drafting. Back to Donovan.
Starting point is 01:21:01 Oh, okay for this? Yeah. All right. So let me be clear. excluding celebrity crushes I mean three celebrities Donovan would invite to a dinner party Okay
Starting point is 01:21:12 I have no fucking idea Holy shit Okay Also if you get like two out of three right You get the point Okay I think I have a good answer I think I have a great list of people I feel like you threw a curveball in there
Starting point is 01:21:28 I'm hoping I'd land on the right one There's a good chance I was right Two of them I know are locks Unless you decide to get goofy with it Was it honest or goofy? This is like, this is pretty, I actually thought a lot about this. He took like two hours. I put Kobe, J.Z, and Zach Fox.
Starting point is 01:21:44 I was 0 for three. Jesus Christ. That's a very decent guess, though. Mo, what did you put? I just put two chains. Just two chains? Is this one, not three? Yeah, just two chains.
Starting point is 01:21:56 That's it, bro. I couldn't put, no, I'm not going to say this other name, but I just put two chains. You do know, you do see us as three celebrities, right? I couldn't think of two other celebrities, bro. I'm not going to celebrities at all. You said Edison Pack, Eddie Murphy, and farewell. See, you got too deep into it. I just went straight to your first instincts
Starting point is 01:22:15 and that I didn't go deep. Pack was a lot for me. What? That is my, Anderson Pack is my favorite artist ever. He's coming to dinner. Wow. Favorite artist ever?
Starting point is 01:22:28 Wow. You like him more than Jay Z? Lunch with Jay Z or dinner with Anderson Peck. Anderson Pack 100%. okay you put Kobe on here I was thinking about well
Starting point is 01:22:39 who were alive yeah so moving on yeah anyway so it wasn't
Starting point is 01:22:48 it wasn't it wasn't specified what was Isaac's average screen time on TikTok this past week per day hold on I
Starting point is 01:22:56 I kicked myself out of this yeah I lost the game oh what the hell can you join back in yeah I joined back in it says waiting for hosts for some reason all right you can you can just answer the question verbally i guess yeah i'll just answer this uh on tictock alone not counting is yeah on ticot alone his daily average or frett's but daily what do you all think it is
Starting point is 01:23:19 nico can you let me back in it says it's okay yeah i don't know i got my answer do you want to say your answer the same time as me down i'm gonna just say i'm gonna just say three two one one go three hours three damn okay what three hours i said three hours what the fuck do you think i am you don't touch grass three hours it's 56 minutes oh no i figured you'd be scrolling yeah three hours on tic-tok a day that's insane damn just just throughout the day and then you have your night your nightly scroll maybe your morning scroll when you're in the bathroom on the scroll like Listen, it can add up. Maybe if it's like TikTok, Twitter, and YouTube combined, three hours is nuts.
Starting point is 01:24:03 Yeah, maybe that's your hours. Let me see. I have no idea. Probably not. I'm going to look mine up real. You think I'm a crown eater for real. Mine is probably like that during like peak COVID. It definitely came down like the past two years.
Starting point is 01:24:17 I've had individual days, I'm sure. But on average, hell not. All right. So this week, so it's Wednesday for me. This week, I got too many videos to edit for that. TikTok. is four hours and 45 minutes. For over seven days?
Starting point is 01:24:32 Over 70s or since Sunday? I don't know how many days this is. Okay, what's the next question? But daily average, 56 minutes. So I guess over seven days. Lockstep. All right. I think this should be.
Starting point is 01:24:52 Yeah, the last question. This one is going to be about Mo. Does anybody know? besides water tea what's the most favorite thing to drink he just told us before the stream he hates tea no mo's what's the tea guy listen mo likes you know he likes celsius of course he likes tea favorite thing to drink it's he loves the most common he loves it's either or kombucha and i'm gonna go with tea but it's not most common it's favorite right like the thing you like the most yeah or is it okay all right i like a lot of meo you love flavored water is that
Starting point is 01:25:25 count or is that? I'm locking into I'm like zero diet Coke Moe loves those drinks from what is it 7-11 the slurpiece slushies? Oh yes that's hilarious no I'm gonna say diet coke maybe you put me oh you fucking love you some flavored water for some
Starting point is 01:25:41 that's not a bad assumption that's not a bad assumption at all I'll say diet coke though because you're always about the fucking macros so you spam diet coax Wow you got to guess I wish that was right I would say Dom was probably right I said hybiscis anything with hibiscus in it for real and high this is i have my biscus tea which is like you're right
Starting point is 01:26:01 there fucking fraud yeah right before this stream yeah right before this stream you all we had a conversation about tea and this motherfucker was like i actually hate the flavor of tea and we were like but you drink it all the time he's like yeah but i hate it and now you're gonna tell me it your favorites in a dream no he loves it he loves it it depends on the flavor you didn't ask like for specifics that tea that i had that day or the last tea you just don't know you You definitely got play. He definitely tried to play you. But,
Starting point is 01:26:27 yeah, he's a T guy. What a fraud. I'm a T guy for sure. I would have said T too if you didn't just slight the information before the pod started.
Starting point is 01:26:35 You knew what was coming up. You're cheating. I do what I do. And I still fucking lost. Damn. Yeah, I wasn't keeping score but I think Isaac was King Crayon,
Starting point is 01:26:47 guys, for this week. I think I'm the only one that got a question right. What do you mean? We both had six points. but did you get one right were you answering your own question though
Starting point is 01:26:58 I got the T right no he did have a point I did I didn't have a single point no he maybe Donovan actually maybe Donovan actually let he probably has eight because there was two points that didn't count because he got logged out
Starting point is 01:27:10 so Donham actually won Don Juan yeah he got T ride he clutched up at the end yeah yeah King crayon love it dummy And this is the end of producer corner On to TikTok time
Starting point is 01:27:27 I like this. We have to run this back Welcome to TikTok time Once again, we are starting with the draft A special draft that's hopefully going to be the new norm If you guys like it The one where we have $15 budget And we have this graphic scene on screen To pick our players from
Starting point is 01:27:42 But before we get to that I'm gonna go ahead and do what we did the top of the show Because I know a lot of you guys Jump straight to TikTok time and those you who do that are what we like to call crown eaters so if you didn't watch the beginning of the episode we have something for you
Starting point is 01:27:54 crown eater merch you see I got it on right here got the crew neck we got some t-shirts we got the hoodie that Moe is wearing which is the t-shirt version of this all kinds of things for you guys yeah fresh pack right there
Starting point is 01:28:06 we got the pizza shirt we got the fresh pack hoodie we got this we got some hats all kinds of stuff that I'm gonna show on screen right now plug it real quick for those that are just tech time watchers can't say that we have We don't have this shit on right now, man.
Starting point is 01:28:22 For a long time, Ukraine need just ask for this. So here we go. We got it for you. Let's jump straight to this draft. This time we're doing a draft of only players under 25 years old. We've done several young player drafts in the past. This time with a budget. Should be fun.
Starting point is 01:28:36 Let's get into it, man. So the draft order, is this the same draft order as last time? This is the same as last time. Okay, so the draft order this time is me first, most second, Donovan third. That's how we're doing it. Yeah, man. Last time we found that there is a lot of strategy involved in this budget draft. It was more difficult than we thought.
Starting point is 01:28:55 For show, for show. Yeah, man. Not only were you all forcing me to go ahead and do some math, but you guys wanted me to pick my struggle, and I was forced to pick James Wiseman in a draft. Never thought I would say his name in a draft, but here we are. Listen, man, you're going to have to pick some struggles this time, too. This is not going to be a fun draft full. I'll say that.
Starting point is 01:29:13 The bottom is a little bit rough. Yeah. But real simple, you guys know how this works by now. first pick give me noz ree for three dollars solid gonna put noz read at center nausee for three dollars is great okay you need that stretch big right away
Starting point is 01:29:30 I guess it just leaves me with a victor and vinyama for five dollars I need it I need it I need it can't let him get to don't get to don't his hands yeah you know daffin would have picked them too back to back pick listen I actually wouldn't have
Starting point is 01:29:46 because I got exactly who I wanted in my, in my draft for four dollars. Give me Chet Holmgren. Okay. I was hoping you fell to me. I was in a pair of the two bigs. And then for also $4, give me Tyrese Halliburton.
Starting point is 01:30:05 Okay. Okay. Get the skin and bones combo, one two punch. Okay, I like that. I don't like it. For $3, fuck, fuck. Actually, yeah, for $3, go ahead and give me J-Dug. Fuck, no.
Starting point is 01:30:24 You know that's his- Night my pick. Dang it. Okay. Ah, that really messed me up. Okay, for $3, give me K. Cunningham. Solid. Good pick.
Starting point is 01:30:38 And then, how do I want to do this? Dang, dang, dang. No, I'm going to put Nasreda at Power Forward. and for $2, give me Jackson Davis. Okay. Great pick if you ask me. Yeah. How do you get someone cheap in there?
Starting point is 01:30:58 Got T.J.D. at my center. I like it. I like it. Okay. So I got decisions to make. So far, I got J. Dobb and I got Wemby. And I spent $8 so far. Things have been a little bit pricey.
Starting point is 01:31:15 A little bit pricey. J.O. a nice is a nice combo to start with yeah like no real weakness just just yet at all hmm so i think if i can afford a weakness anywhere go ahead and go ahead and give me jordan pool for two dollars at my point guard oh stretch out the floor the decisions are meh but let me solidify him over there at my two am i one i don't like it Yeah, I don't really like it either because that kind of throws off
Starting point is 01:31:50 what I was trying to do, you know? It's not really great. It's not really great. But here's what we're going to do, though. Yeah, yeah. Here's what I think we're going to do. For $2, give me Asar Thompson. Damn it, man.
Starting point is 01:32:07 I was baking on that. And we're going to put Asar at our three and so that's going to that gives me $10, $5 to spend. And that is because with my $3, do I want to do this? No you don't. No you don't. I actually don't think I want to. But I kind of just want to mess with you guys at this point because I realized that my team is not going to be as good as it's going to be.
Starting point is 01:32:41 So for $3, yeah, give me Herb Jones. Oh my God, I knew it was coming. You just come and causing me, man. Fuck. These drafts get so difficult. Yeah, he knew what he was doing. He already lost. He saw the writing on the wall.
Starting point is 01:32:56 He's like, how can I best disrupt these two guys? 100%. 100%. Damn. Listen, Tyreseur Tirees Halliburton, you're going to have to score 35 points a game. Spacing is nasty. But you won't have to guard anybody. Because we'll have heard Jones and Asar Thompson.
Starting point is 01:33:16 It's okay. Well, you got Jordan Pool. Your backward defense is going to be horrible. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Not just yet. Not just yet. Not just yet. Okay.
Starting point is 01:33:27 Damn. So all the $3 guys are taking. Kate is gone. J. Dobs gone. Herb is obviously gone and Nazare is gone. Fuck. Okay. So I guess that leads me.
Starting point is 01:33:40 Yeah. So for, you ain't, I ain't go lie. I'm going for $4 in this bitch and I could either pick Paulo or Scotty Barnes to share my depth. Please, please, please don't pick mine.
Starting point is 01:33:55 Please don't pick mine. I think I'm going to go ahead and select give me Paulo Bencaro. I need a size on my team. I love that size. I need that playmaking because Jordan Poole's Jordan Poole for sure.
Starting point is 01:34:07 Give me Pollo. Okay. I'm going to, oh, okay, how do I want to re? I'm going to, Paul out my forcing situation. Perfect. I have Knowsbred and T.J.D.
Starting point is 01:34:19 Okay, so first of all, I'm going to get Cam Thomas for $2. Steel. Okay. The shooting. Can't do shit, but shoot. Put Kate at point guard. Kate is my point guard, not my shooting guard. Oh, so he going to do it?
Starting point is 01:34:30 And then Cam's at the two. Who, I guess I got, you know what? I'll take the best player on this board. Give me Anthony Edwards to $5 at my small forward. Kind of roster? Kind of roster. Interesting. Okay.
Starting point is 01:34:47 Yeah, I got shooting. I got slashing. Nice. The best version of your team will be really good. But there's another version where they just end up like the Cleveland Cavaliers and we're like, I don't really like it. There's a world where Cam Tom was like, this is my team. And he takes over. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:35:04 Damn. All right. So I have, I spent $14 and I literally only have $1 left. Kai Jones, Jackson Hayes, Poku. Pooh, pooh Who I can Go ahead and give me The other Frenchmen
Starting point is 01:35:19 That we no longer talk about Bring him back to the league Kellian Hayes You are my starting two guard I don't need you to shoot I don't you need you to pass for real Just play defense in your straight And thankfully he's good on that
Starting point is 01:35:32 You need to get to stop You are successfully assembled The worst back court I've ever seen in my life I applaud you for making Wembe somehow have a worse backcourt than he has in real life I'm sorry, but I got J-dub, Palo, and Wembe. I got, hey, man, my front court is fucking packing.
Starting point is 01:35:49 What can I say? Wait, wait, wait, wait, you know. All right, so with my pick, right? So I have $2 left. I'm just going to stop. Listen, my team is already weird, so just give me the weirdest player on the board. Give me Poku at my four. Wow.
Starting point is 01:36:06 Is you hear of the Guy Jones? That's, listen, that's more strange. more than weird yeah I like it you've all successfully assemble listen poco and chat
Starting point is 01:36:19 that's like the Pokemon evolution what goes into the other yeah yeah for real wow that's great man okay
Starting point is 01:36:28 so I guess I win but it's not you definitely do not your team is frail as shit holy hell oh you know the words backward of all times I don't want to hear shit from you
Starting point is 01:36:36 I have Jordan Poole can get me some form of but did you watch him his last 20 games of the year No, you didn't, because I don't blame you who watches with this game. And Kelly Hayes can play defense and pass. The only two legitimate scoring options that you have, at least if I play my team, locked up.
Starting point is 01:36:54 Herbert Assad, locking up, J. Doug and Palo. Wemby unlocks all that shit. It don't matter what T.J.D. do because Wemby's staring right at him. Actually, not even at him. He's staring over him. He's going to do what I got it to him. Give him 45. I got Kay Cunningham. Cam Thomas, Anthony Edwards, Nas Reid, and Trey Jackson Davis.
Starting point is 01:37:17 All of our backcourts are ass. I got Jordan Poole, Kellyanne Hayes. Who's all you? I got Kate Cunningham. I got Jay Doug, Paulo Bencaro, and I got Wemby. I got the best. My backcourt is elite. Okay, I have the best four and five.
Starting point is 01:37:31 No, no, no, no. You have Katie Cam. If you put Cam Thomas at your three, come on now. You have Cade of Cunningham's guard in a small four is he regardless. All right, Donovan's team makes a little bit of sense. He has two spacing bigs, theoretically. Asaar can be in the dunker spot. The idea, the idea of my team, especially if Herb is, if Herb is knocking them down,
Starting point is 01:37:53 we can get somewhere, right? We need Herb, we need Herb to take the same leap that Mikhail Bridges took, right? It's a lot of faith that we're putting into them. But on my team, in my coaching staff, we can make it happen. If Poku was like a real NBA player, like you could be like half of prime Dervas Bertons, then you'd be cooking. Like, if Poku was a player and not an abstract idea, not a concept, then you'd be cooking. Would you want me to take Jackson Davis?
Starting point is 01:38:22 I mean, Jackson, A's? No, I mean, I, listen, I didn't say you made the wrong choice. There's a lot of bad choices available to you. I made the best of what I could do. Yeah, I guess, no, I'll see your team on your team. I see the vision of your team. Your team isn't bad. If we get past the Asar Poku issue.
Starting point is 01:38:40 Again, one more Pokemon. on evolution and we're cooking with this team. No. It goes Poku, Chad Holmgren, Bill Walton. It just goes up and down. Thanks. Okay, that was good. That's the draft. I like it. I like you. I love these nobody ever has great teas
Starting point is 01:38:58 with these budget drafts. Speak for yourself. My team is always straight. Your team sucks. My team is better than yours. Your team sucks more. No, my team, I think my two smoke shares. Jordan Paul and Killing-A suck. Dude, it does, you're focusing on the tattoo.
Starting point is 01:39:15 I have the best three players on each team. It's not even close. You have the only one that has two shitters. Well, yeah, yeah, you're the only one that has two shitters. I have three. Your top three can't beat my top three. That's all that matters. The numbers I weigh.
Starting point is 01:39:28 I have the best player here. I have Anthony Edwards. Okay, but I have the best three versus year one who trumps mine. You're getting ran. Cade's almost as good as J. Do. Get out of here. No, he's not. You don't believe that.
Starting point is 01:39:42 he's almost as good as jade of i didn't say he's as good he's almost as good as the thought of him should be but you're getting ran off the court yeah you're not getting past the killing his jordan pool hole you dug yourself into i'm sorry but the a these two players combined sick ill as fuck okay next thing we're gonna do listen a few weeks ago donovan ranked his top 10 jerseys in the league his favorite 10 thanks today he's gonna rank his top 10 worst jerseys in the league he's gonna let the Hater energy flow. Let's get into it, y'all. Worst jerseys, okay.
Starting point is 01:40:17 Let me see this list. I'm very curious which directions you're going to go. I don't even know. I don't even know what jersey do you hate like that. Is this current just this year? Yeah, just this year. Okay. And I've no idea.
Starting point is 01:40:29 Okay. Listen, these are the top 10 worst jerseys in the NBA right now. At number 10, we have the Dallas Mavericks, Icon jersey. I think that their white one is kind of passable. this one get rid of it you see they have a navy blue version of this one that is so much better that they kind of have switched to on the road anyway they switched to like the navy blue version the black version anything to not make them wear this jersey i'm okay with this screams 2006 you need to rebrand so bad this is terrible this screams 2006 this screamed discounted the screams
Starting point is 01:41:03 five below honestly ross yeah marshal he's discounted and not not Not too much, not too much. Maybe having some stuff. You ain't lying. Yeah, this stuff. This is what they got. You know what else? It screams.
Starting point is 01:41:16 It screams what's on the top of that jersey. Chime. It's frauds. Again, not too much, not too much. Number nine, we have the Los Angeles Clippers statement jersey, aka we're trying to be Mexican jersey. They have been rolling out evolutions of this jersey time and time again. And every time it's a swing in a minute.
Starting point is 01:41:40 I do not like these jerseys. I ain't going to lie. The tragic part is. I was going to say, the tragic part is it's also growing on me a little bit. I fucking hated at first. Guys, that's a really bad on paper. It looks bad here. Like it's bad on paper.
Starting point is 01:41:54 But on court, it typically looks pretty good. It's hard to not be good when your jersey's black. Yeah, it kind of looks raw when you see, when you see Kauai Leonard go ahead and hit whatever player on the court, whether it has a side step pull up to or whatever it is or whatever it or whatever the case might be. I ain't go like to. court it looks amazing we were supposed to be pandering we were supposed to be pandering it's kind of corny but if i just don't pretend i don't know that i pretend it's not trying to be los santo's customs
Starting point is 01:42:20 it looks all right exactly but then if you if you are in reality and you know that it's trying to be los santo's customs then you're like all right what are we doing here so but anyways i know it's the domteretto of jersey they're trying to be fast and furious culture but i'm disappointed in you guys anyways next one bad my bad listen you You know I hate gradient. And a side-to-side gradient is nasty work. Sacramento, I like the work that you guys have done on your new jerseys. This one needs to be replaced.
Starting point is 01:42:51 This is fucking stupid. Thank you. It's just dumb. We're locked in once again. I ain't all right. I hate grading as well. Mo. I disagree.
Starting point is 01:43:00 I disagree. We know Mo is a simp for the color purple. Your opinion, you see purple plus 10 points. It's not even about that. could exchange the colors instead of black and purple. It could be like orange in black. I just realized I lied to myself. You're liar. You just like purple. Purple saves the day. Be true to you. Be true to you. I respect it. Nice jersey. These Cleveland Cavalier jerseys. You hate her. I love these suck. These are practiced jerseys, right? Now, the white one's
Starting point is 01:43:36 kind of cool because you have the little basket logo with the V. That's fine. These are so boring. They're so boring. And I just can't rock with them. Yeah, these guys don't even have an advertisement on them. They like soccer jerseys. They look like something, some of that Mbapé will be fucking wearing, to be honest. I like it, though.
Starting point is 01:43:55 I like them. I like them. Sometimes simplicity works. It looks good on court. It looks good on body. The blocking is works. I think it's fine. No.
Starting point is 01:44:03 No. It's good. It's good colors. The wine color looks good. I am pro cash jerseys. It's nice. It's simple. It perfectly describes the city of.
Starting point is 01:44:10 Cleveland just there I thought we were like one in Cleveland anyways next one next jersey listen listen this what number is this this is number six oh that's way too high you have five jerseys worse than this this shit is atrocious I promise you there's worse right now this dungeons in dragon's jersey it is very bad right that's actually all I have to say about It's just very bad So I have I needed to kick off my top five So this Stratigo cover
Starting point is 01:44:44 Ugh House of Dragons jersey Yeah I don't know what it is It's just not a good jersey I don't know why This even relates to D.C. I mean I'm in the street
Starting point is 01:44:54 To D.C. every day, bro Like I haven't seen one dragon yet I haven't seen anything Gothic about like I haven't seen anything bro. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. You haven't seen a knight? No.
Starting point is 01:45:05 If you wear this jersey you are vehement against haircuts. That's one thing I will say for sure. Makes no sense. Everything about this jersey pisses me off. What is up with this like dotted gradient on the collar inside? It's so fucking dumb. Listen, it's the wizards being the wizards.
Starting point is 01:45:24 They had the chance to be on the same level of bad as the Los Angeles Clippers with the jersey that we saw a couple minutes ago. But they just completely take away. What is this random ass red stripe that I see across the 33? I don't know And it cuts into the number as well Yeah They didn't They had no idea what they were doing
Starting point is 01:45:41 No fundamental That must be an error Design is not their passion That has to be an error Like that can't be real But at the same time Listen The perfect jersey for the Jordan Pool era
Starting point is 01:45:52 So I have to give them props for that So this is number five on my list Number four on my list It's the heat culture jersey This one This is by far the corneous jersey we've ever seen in NBA history
Starting point is 01:46:08 because not only does it come with the jersey it comes with the court this four minor court that says we are stronger and tougher and more resilient and we just want it more all of it is positive affirmations stop it stop there's so many letters on this jersey
Starting point is 01:46:26 and they're placed so stupidly why is culture massive why is heat centered and tiny why is it 22 so to the side and up high it's all just jumbled and shitty and nothing is going well for it. The real issue is that. He culture is cool if we're talking about it on Twitter or something. The moment you lean into it, it's over.
Starting point is 01:46:45 It's corny. Yeah. The bigger issue is like there's no consistency in the font as well. Like everything is completely different from the other. You got the big old white heat logo on the shorts. Why is that there? It's just doing so much while also doing nothing. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:47:00 No unity whatsoever. All right. Like, what's the, what's the redeeming quality of this jersey? I can't even say it's cool because it's black. It's not even cool. I mean, right in black school together, that's it. It's a bad jersey. Man.
Starting point is 01:47:15 There's a clearance of jersey for sure. All right. So this is actually kicking off the top five. Now we're going to go to number four. This next jersey. I understand that I'm going to get a lot of hate. I know some people have really, have really grown to like these jerseys. The teenagers love it.
Starting point is 01:47:31 I understand. And guess what? When you grow up and you've seen some stuff and you become wiser, you will understand that this, too, is a bad jersey. This is, this is a blues clothes jersey. This is, this should not be the jersey for a professional team. However, I don't, I don't care. I do not care. Once again, I'm on done.
Starting point is 01:47:51 Confession hour. This shit has grown on me and I see the vision. Fuck. Are we crayon eaters to or what? I can't stay. I don't know. no better than a habit 15 year old i think it looks cool i'm not going to lie it looks interesting it looks interesting i like i like the i like how the busy but it's cool though it's swaggy
Starting point is 01:48:15 it's flowy would you the colors are too loud yeah what i was a net's fan i wouldn't mean if it's not awful the color okay if you're one of like the 20 people in the world right who have to support this team then like yeah you can wear the jersey but like if you're a regular person No, you're not wearing this. It's a swing and a hit, I think. It's something. I want city journeys to do something unique. Sometimes it's going to miss.
Starting point is 01:48:40 Sometimes it's going to hit, and I think this one is a hit. Now, it's not a home run. It's a foul ball. It's a single to first base. It's, you know, keeping the chains moving. But it's, it works. It's a foul ball. You may contact, but I don't think you landed in the field of play.
Starting point is 01:48:54 So, call this blues clues. I'm the number one fan of blues clues. I'll die with it. All right. All right. I can't stand you. Next one. The Utah Jazz.
Starting point is 01:49:04 This wouldn't be a bad jersey list if we weren't getting hate off on the Utah Jazz, especially because these jerseys are going to go away in about a year or so. So this actually is a tandem because the next one that we are going to is also a Utah Jazz jersey. Both of these, the entire brand is awful. This is just offensive. This looks like a Nike campaign for a team that doesn't really exist. This is so atrocious. They tried to do what the Cleveland Cavs did.
Starting point is 01:49:32 They try to be all simplistic. But then they were like, we're going to be simple and then bright and just blind you with our highlighter. Come on. You are not, you're not Oregon. There's one team that can pull off neon and highlighter. And that's the Oregon Dugs. And if you are not them, stay away.
Starting point is 01:49:47 Facts. You were not Chip Kelly. If you were not Marcus Miroin in 2015, you are not them. You are not the Anthony Thomas. I'm about to say that. He said Marcus Marriota, you just took me back to some times. Exactly. They don't know about the Anthony Thomas.
Starting point is 01:50:02 This jersey, if you have. it in your closet automatic negative 2,000 aura you mean have a chance to even put that you don't even have a chance to put that shit on with that shit in your closet bro this gives me like hall monitor vibes snitch just negative bad for your oral in general if you have the jersey i don't think you know what to read damn all right so that was that was that was that was three and two now all of these jerseys are like actually are actually bad however There's one jersey in the league that actually makes me upset every time I see it. And that is the number one jersey on this list.
Starting point is 01:50:41 And that is the Denver Luggets, 5280. Double numbers is crazy. Double numbers is wild. It's stupid. It's dumb as shit. Why are we doing this? Why are you putting numbers here and numbers there? It's too much.
Starting point is 01:50:55 It's too much going on. This might be just like in a thought exercise might be the stupidest jersey we've ever seen. Literally, it's just a bad idea from the jump. Execution is irrelevant because the idea is ridiculous. This bitch looks like the dashboard on a fucked up car. It's just too much going on, bro. All the time's yellow, red, blue. God damn, what's going on, bro?
Starting point is 01:51:17 Can I just live my life without you going down my faith? Damn. Exactly. This is the one time that I'm happy. It's just bad. This is the one time that I'm happy that we get new city jerseys every year. So I don't have to see this next season. This is the reason why they disrespected this year.
Starting point is 01:51:34 I'm glad they didn't go back to back because that would have been etched in history forever and that would have been a shame to NBA history. If they won the title in these jerseys oh my gosh
Starting point is 01:51:43 my heart heard just thinking about it. Yeah, no. The Starfighters are on fire by letting Rudy Gober get them out of the playoffs so I don't have to see this jersey again.
Starting point is 01:51:52 I love it. Exactly. I'd rather see Rudy Gober post fade in this jersey advance. Exactly. But yeah, so that's my top 10 worst jerseys in the league. And you know what those are
Starting point is 01:52:01 some awful ass jerseys besides a couple that I kind of grew to like, but I see the vision. This isn't a bad list. Yeah. This list is all right. Could have been better.
Starting point is 01:52:09 Yeah, that's all right. They're going to call you Unk and it's going to be hilarious. Yeah. I don't care. Never let Unk rank again. If we're still here, comment, never let Unc great again. That's hilarious, right. I got to tell you, because we had an unc off like two streams ago.
Starting point is 01:52:28 I have to give you guys a quick update. I was on the grill this weekend before game two. Listen, everything went great. Wait, I was out there. I had a diet cook. I had made some chicken and some, some, some, some steak kebabs. Bro, vibes were immaculate. It was awesome.
Starting point is 01:52:42 Were you bumping a speaker, too? Of course. Of course. All right. All right. Do you wear the toes out? No. I crox on.
Starting point is 01:52:52 You haven't met your phone status yet. I crox on. Okay. Okay. Exactly. What's the next time when I, Isaac? Next thing we're going to do. I'm going to name two NBA players
Starting point is 01:53:05 And I want you to tell me which one you think We'll have a better career Talk to it. Now who's better right now Now who's been better thus far in the career Who will have the better career When it's all said and done? Straight projecting
Starting point is 01:53:16 This is what we do. Big picture. Big picture. First off, Victor Wimonyama or Luca Dantzich You know how I feel. Victor Womenyama is the future goat. This guy is going to be
Starting point is 01:53:29 the greatest basketball player that we've ever seen Oh my God I'm telling you right now He is people were making jokes People were making jokes on Twitter about it Before he got drafted I'm taking that to heart
Starting point is 01:53:42 He is the war To save us from Jordan LeBron Conversations for the rest of our lives Because everyone's gonna look at him And be like nah He's the one He's the future He's making it shine
Starting point is 01:53:52 Oh my God He ain't missed a spot too Good God you're when you have those You have those popsicles And you just do the tip And it gets clear icy That's what he's doing he's a pro
Starting point is 01:54:03 he's been doing it for months damn now I know you guys are not going to sit there and tell me that what I saw with my eyes this past season was wrong was not goat trajectory stuff no I agree I think Vic is probably going to be one of those ones but so is Luca
Starting point is 01:54:19 Luca's also on top 25 of all time trajectory and listen he's had the benefit of having five years of getting ahead of Wemagnama but I don't have a problem but all of you picking him Vic he about to get swept in the finals we don't care about that all right we can go with wemby i mean there's not much to be said right here because they're both
Starting point is 01:54:37 on two different project they're two different trajectories right now because one's 25 one just turned 20 or whatever i go wemby though team has upside you listen wemby might be one of the best two-way players of all time like he might be in a different stratosphere because of the defense so i'm not mad at the pick i agree next one zion williamson versus chet homgren
Starting point is 01:54:57 I think I want to go Chet just because as great as I think Zion is going to be because I still think that he has like another level to reach to Chet just was so good in his rookie year that I'm like if he can stay healthy unlike Zion he'll be better than him yeah I can if health wasn't a factor I would go Zion and I wouldn't think twice about it
Starting point is 01:55:27 But the health is a factor. And I feel like we know what Chet's going to be. He's going to be one of the most productive, helpful players to building a team for a long time. He looks to be set up well to win for a long time with another superstar. It feels like he's a pretty safe bet. I think that's the real determining factor. We do talk about health. We can talk about health between the two, but we can't sit here and act like Chet just didn't miss his entirety of his rookie year.
Starting point is 01:55:50 But at the same time, too, I miss a hell of a lot more time. But natural because he's been in the league a little bit longer. But I do like the way that Chet is set up in okay. O'CCC has hella pics, picks on picks on picks, already have a superstar in Cheagos Alexander and then J-dub's right there waiting to blossom and bloom. Chet, when it's all said and done, might have the better career. Yeah, listen, Zong gets her a lot because his ligaments can't contain themselves. Chezsche missed a season because he had 300 pounds of LeBron James stomping on his foot in a wreck
Starting point is 01:56:18 game. I don't think it's going to happen every year. You never know, man. LeBron, he's playing again this season two. You know that, right? LeBron is looming. He's a constant threat to step on his foot. The Chet killer.
Starting point is 01:56:31 You see Leruns. Get serious, man. Facts. All right. Next one. Palo Bancaro versus Tyrese Halliburton. Hmm. This is interesting.
Starting point is 01:56:43 I would say Indiana off the bat is set up better. Thus, like Tyrese naturally set up better throughout his career because Orlando probably doesn't have two, two players who can make three threes in a row. But me personally, I think Paulo's ceiling is higher. so I'm only in Paolo. I was going to say, is this difficult? I feel like Palo stealing is way higher. I feel very safe betting that he has a legitimate all-MBA career for a long time.
Starting point is 01:57:06 Yeah, I'm gonna go Palo as well. I just think like, even though that Tyrese has kind of like the build and the potential to maybe be an average defender, Palo, like legitimately has the size to be impactful on both ends. And so going forward and also just being like the primary score, you're, listen, you're going to get a boost.
Starting point is 01:57:27 just because you're the number one option on offense so I'm gonna have the size and skill to be a legitimate big wing that can be a first option on a team Tyrese is great he'll be all NBA for a while I don't think his archetype has the same type of ceiling yeah exactly there's only so far that you can go with being a past first type player which he's shown consistently through the season and with Paulo soon we can do a better job of balance in both while also being a legit unstoppable force which Tyrese is clearly not Paul is yeah it's no criticism Tyrese palo just has that high of a ceiling exactly next up La Mello ball arcade Cunningham damn I mean if we could free Kade then I would take Kay Cunningham
Starting point is 01:58:12 but he no La Mello Bill and All Star what are you talking about Kee Cunningham has been in basketball hell for his entire career yeah well he hasn't exactly been the savior either what do you I don't know I like both these guys a lot what do you what do you want to I don't know how to blame it all I think lamello ball has insane ceiling if he can ever stay healthy will those ankles ever hold up for 50 games in a row
Starting point is 01:58:42 I don't know it's I'll leave lamello but I don't feel good about it I'll feel good about it for you I'm definitely lean Lamello because I seen multiple I seen a true avenue where he could be all NBA on a consistent basis. But, well, I do say that. It doesn't matter what Kate Cunningham does on the court
Starting point is 01:59:01 because you just can't see all NBA anything when you're in a Detroit Piston. LeMello is 6'7 an elite passer and elite shooter who started to show he can get to the rim well. That is a list of traits only shared by him and Luca Donchitz right now. He has a crazy ceiling as an on-ball creator. Will he hit it? I don't even know.
Starting point is 01:59:23 Again. Free Cade. Free Cade. No, Cates will be great, too. I think Cade should be in for a big year next year. Free Cates and it backwards. Trey Young versus Deeran Fox. I like everything that Deeran Fox has done in his career.
Starting point is 01:59:42 I like the growth that he has shown. I'm still taking Trey Young. Trey Young's going down in NBA history when it comes to just like. No, he quite literally is. Look at the assist. What do you mean? What record is Dearen Fox breaking? He's not putting up 25 and 12 on a consistent basis like Trey Young is.
Starting point is 02:00:02 Now, neither of these guys are. You call me a pro. You are teaching people how to do it. You're a professor. You're reaching around and doing something special with it. Did I lie one big yet? That's crazy. That's crazy.
Starting point is 02:00:15 Did I lie, though? No, I didn't. Yes. What the fuck do you mean? He's going down in history. He's literally going down in history. He is quite. Bro, he is quite literally one of the best deep shooters that we've seen in his three ball also distributing the ball.
Starting point is 02:00:31 Darren Fawkes is near that. What is historical about? You're saying breaking records. What are you talking about? Points and assists. What do you mean? That's what I'm talking about? What do you mean?
Starting point is 02:00:41 What a point of assist record does he happen? Would you still feel this way about him after he leaves you? Tryon can never do no wrong in my eyes. What do you mean? I think it's also Tray Young, but you're making me really want to pick Deerrin Fox. No.
Starting point is 02:00:59 You keep on talking about what records. Simple as this. Points and assist. Getting a bucket and also getting an assist. Same things that James Hardin does. Same things that LeBron has done in the past and Luke is not just currently doing too.
Starting point is 02:01:14 Trey Young is under that same umbrella. All right. Congratulations. He's a prize picks Hall of Famer. Like then. Hall of Fame Gawker. This is crazy. Hey, man.
Starting point is 02:01:24 Sorry to Aaron Fox. Next one we got. Scotty Barnes or Tyrese Maxy. I like Tyrese Maxie more, so I'm going with him. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Tyrese, Tyrese Maxie took a leap scoring wise this season and got to the point where I legitimately think that he can be a very impactful two on a, like, championship level team.
Starting point is 02:01:50 And I think that he still has ways to grow. And Arias, I just don't think that Scotty is ever going to be impactful in that way. And so, yeah, this is a scoring bias, but I'm going to take Tyrese on that. I think Scottie Barnes has so many more levels to get to. I think we're just scratching the surface how good he can be. I think with that type of frame, passing ability, misspoke for a second, that type of frame, passing ability, defensive ability. The ceiling that gives you with that size, I think, is next level.
Starting point is 02:02:18 I can agree to that for sure. but I might lean towards Tyries Maxie because what if Scotty Barnes is just like miscasted and like misplaced what if he's just like a slightly more talented Aaron Gordon I have no reason to believe that he's an all-star I mean Aaron Gordon was pretty good too he wasn't an all-star good but he was pretty good too as you know exactly he wasn't no not really no Aaron Gordon was he was good and half as good as Scottie Barnes was this year wow you're basically calling Aaron we're in a bum at that point as a first option
Starting point is 02:02:50 of course he's a bum as the first option there's a reason he got traded to where he got traded to where he got traded to look this up shout out Aaron Gordon
Starting point is 02:02:56 fantastic role player Scotty Barnes is not in those conversations listen you respect Aaron Gordon because he was 23rd and most improved
Starting point is 02:03:04 player voting in 2017 2018 23rd damn I didn't even know you don't disrespect that man you don't disrespect that man
Starting point is 02:03:11 you don't disrespect you got like one or two votes I don't know on basketball reference it just says awards MRP dash 23
Starting point is 02:03:17 so yeah I was a player, I would not want that written down on my resume at all. Like, that would, what are we doing at that point? That means he got one third place vote by some random magic voter. Two points one. That's, uh, from, I'm leaning Tyrese. That year, though, he was going kind of crazy. 17 and 8.
Starting point is 02:03:39 Whatever. Next one. John Morant or, John Morant or Devon Booker. It's pretty easily John Morant. easily yeah he's younger team is all around set up better more picks i know debon book is great devon book is great for sure but when it's all said and done well devon bucker will have all the all the history by his side too because he's been getting buckets on buckets on buckets forever it seems like and jall literally just miss an entire year i can go with john morrant he has a great
Starting point is 02:04:13 team that's a succeed for a while he's a game-breaking player that can be your first option great for others. But I don't know, Devin Booker's great and he's in a low right now because he has his stupid-ass team at the Matschbio created. But eventually he's going to get free from that and he's going to make some damage to happen again. Sadly, eventually he's not now. And that's why Tom Morant is the best is going to have the better career. I'll go with Jai. Yeah, I think, I think I'll go with Jha. Just because the ceiling of Jha at his best, like we've, we've seen it. And we've seen that like whenever he's on that team instantly, they start, they start winning. Um, so I'm, I'm gonna go with John Moran.
Starting point is 02:04:49 One of the few players that's extremely hype because of highlight watchers, but it also matches the productivity. 100%. I miss John Moran, man. Next up, Donovan Mitchell or Damian Lillard. Well, I mean, listen, this one really just comes down to who's going to grow a bigger beard. And like if Donald and Mitchell can get his size to, to connect like Damien Lillard's and maybe get a little bit more hair,
Starting point is 02:05:15 he can accomplish the same things that Damon Lillard did. So I'm going to go with D. Mitch. Wow. It's easy to slander Damien Lillard come off the year he's coming off of. But he's had a great career for a long time. He really high, he really has. He really has. It's probably, it's probably Dame because I don't think that D. Mitch is ever going to go down in history as like a top three, whatever.
Starting point is 02:05:41 Whereas like, D.M., you can legitimately look at him. And where he shoots from, how he shoots, and like the shot diet that he gets and say, like, this might be a top, like, five shooter of all time. Yeah. Yeah. It's all going to change when Donovan Mitchell ends up a Laker next year and they win a title with that new big three. I think that'll really change the trajectory of this. So looking to the future, we can go Donovan Mitchell. Lake your legend. No.
Starting point is 02:06:07 Man, you are something else right now. Holy shit. You're daged like a mug. Don't talk about me with what we said earlier. you were down bad for Dan Hurley so I don't blame you right now down bad I don't know if I was down bad for Dan Hurley your leg is man you immediately get that on and everything I was going to help make the extra $30 million needed to get them
Starting point is 02:06:32 yeah what was the what so far in you guys's opinion what is like the shining moment of Donovan Mitchell's career is it like his rookie year against like Oklahoma City Thunder when he embarrassed was in the playoffs or is it the bubble it's probably the bubble I think it's the bubble this you are a great run too yeah he was really good to the player he average 31 against the Celtics defense
Starting point is 02:06:52 he went crazy yeah that's that's true a shining moments as a moment probably the bubble but this is the best version of him he's still getting better yeah I think that bubble
Starting point is 02:07:04 that bubble arena he couldn't miss no fans in the arena I mean no one could TJ Warren was fucking putting up 27 it was crazy or 21 whatever you had you had to be there t j warren man yeah definition that you had to be there t j warren last one shay gildes
Starting point is 02:07:21 alexander or anthony edwards whew listen carefully bull's gonna have great careers a whole lot of oar in one screen there's a lot going on right now damn i don't know which one to pick because shee obviously has a team perfectly set up and anthony edwards has seen so much success already as a 22, 23-0 made it to the Western Conference Finals. I might lean towards Shea because he was second or third in MVP loading
Starting point is 02:07:54 and Anthony Edwards is just not there yet from what we can see. But this is a better career. This is projecting. I think Ant has a lot of improvement left still. Right now, Shea's better, but I can see a world where Ant peaks with a higher ceiling.
Starting point is 02:08:07 They both have the skill sets to win at the highest level. It's just who gets it done. But I think when they're primes, I think Aunt would be the better player, so I'll go with him. As an individual, I guess so, because the three-point shooting and the athleticism is the difference. He definitely has the potential.
Starting point is 02:08:23 She's 35 and 5 right now and already a good defender. So I think I'm going to go Shea. Yeah, you can't go wrong. It's going to be close. Especially because Shea's game might age a little bit better just because it's not as based on athleticism as ants. Yeah, but his Adidas commercials are way better than Shea skim's commercials. is and when is he going to be calling out cam and mace those are your guys donovan why they my guys you know why they're your guys all right bro makes what's the implication here
Starting point is 02:09:00 i don't know you like their podcast what do you mean simple as that do we have to start beef with cam and mace no god no hell no hell no next thing we're gonna play 20 questions but we're gonna play 10 questions yeah that's wild we're gonna play this you know T3 staple 20 questions
Starting point is 02:09:27 where I think of an NBA player and you guys have 20 questions to guess who it is we're gonna make it more difficult today you have 10 questions I think of the player I'm thinking of oh my god yeah I'll better get in your bag I need to hear smart quick answers
Starting point is 02:09:39 you only gotta be effective all right Let's do it. Ten questions. How difficult do I want to make this for you? Oh my gosh. He's going to play around. It's going to be stupid.
Starting point is 02:09:52 No, I'm trying to find a good balance here. Okay. I got my player. You've got ten questions to get the NBA player I'm thinking of. Okay. Has this player ever been an All-Star? He is not. Okay.
Starting point is 02:10:09 Donovan, should I ask if this is current or not? Hopefully he would go current. I think he's going to go current, so I don't think I need to ask this question. Okay, so he hasn't been an all-star. Does this player play in the Eastern Conference? He does. Okay. Hasn't been an all-star.
Starting point is 02:10:29 He plays in the East. Was this player ever a, I see not. Was this player ever a champion? He was. Ooh, he wanted to. championship okay now we have to now we have to we have to like east we have to yeah we have to figure out what the time period is that they won the championship in it could either be 2019 tarno rafters or 2021 the Milwaukee bucks um and then the those cows years does you play
Starting point is 02:11:04 eastern carpents now oh gotcha that doesn't don't you a bone here that is a little relevance okay okay but again but again never never been an all-star though okay interesting so he's so that's what that's what that's what I'm saying we have to we have to narrow down what year the championship came in oh gotcha okay yeah ask that question I think I know who this is what's the what's the what's the time range do you want to go do you want to go in the last 10 years last 10 years for sure yeah okay sure did this player win a championship in the last 10 years. Yes, he did.
Starting point is 02:11:46 Okay. I know you got a guess. Who did you guess? Why the hell did you pick Bruce Brown? What? Is it not Bruce Brown? No, it's not Bruce Brown. Fuck.
Starting point is 02:11:57 Damn. That was so confident. You were so confident you shifted the format of the question to imply a certainty. Get out of here. Okay. Too much dip on your chip. All right. Does the team?
Starting point is 02:12:12 that this player plays on right now, did they make the playoffs? Not including the play in. Did they make one through eight playoffs this year? Fuck no. Ooh. All right, cool. Oh, wait. Please.
Starting point is 02:12:30 Oh. I have another shot in the dark. Go. But let me ask this singular question. Is this player a guard? No. Hmm Interesting
Starting point is 02:12:44 You got three questions left You better now waste them I know we really have two Because we have a final guess Yeah So This is gonna be awful He's not a guard
Starting point is 02:12:55 And his team did not make the playoffs I know we only have Teams that did not make the playoffs Were the Detroit Pistons The Hornets You should be able to get here You should be able to get there The fucking Hawks
Starting point is 02:13:09 The net Pistons, Hornets, Hawks, Nets, Chicago, the Bulls. Yeah. Who else did not make the playoffs? I need to see a bracket. The Wizards. I'm getting on. Oh, hold on.
Starting point is 02:13:26 The Wizards. The Wizards. You hold a champion. Wait, but no, no, no. Wait, don't go there. Don't go there. I'm not going to shoot. Because it's not a guard.
Starting point is 02:13:36 I know it's not a guard. I know where you were about to go. You were about to go with Jordan Pool. Relax. No, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was going to go with the other light skin dude. The girls are fighting.
Starting point is 02:13:46 The other light skin dude. Who won a championship? He's in the industry conference. Should I throw his name out there? I don't want to throw his name out there, Don't want to throw him out there, take the shot. I believe in you. Carl Kuzma, this is you.
Starting point is 02:13:59 This is Kyle Kuzma. You got out. I'm like that. I'm like that. There we go. There we go. There we go. I was hoping none was on a gaslight unit
Starting point is 02:14:12 and not doing it Yeah He said Oh no I support my teammates Yeah Give me to rock Every time Don't you get fucking pick Jordan Blue
Starting point is 02:14:19 He's gonna press you Hell not And only eight questions That was great I just had to get the Bruce Brown Out of my system I lowered 10 questions You guys still haven't failed yet
Starting point is 02:14:32 I'm hoping eventually I get you But you guys I gotta get hard I gotta make it really difficult It's gonna say You have five questions Yeah I got to
Starting point is 02:14:40 of nobody. I gotta be like I'm a big Samhouser next time Oh, people's hoping Next question. I'll bring back another Another popular Gamey thing that we haven't done in a while Oh, he brought the eyeing out. He's serious. I got the iPad out. I'm not doing my business. Dude, me and the
Starting point is 02:14:56 fucking crown eaters hate whenever you pull that shit out. We hear my homies hate your iPad. Yeah, fuck that iPad. What we're going to do now is I have five categories of players. I am in a name the category and you have to name a player y'all at home listening play along with us
Starting point is 02:15:14 you had to name a player from that category without saying the same name as me and we had to see if you guys can get through all five of them without getting tripped up let's go let's go let's go okay Mo has never once won this game Donovan's won one time I'm like oh and four
Starting point is 02:15:28 or o'n three or something like that but today those narratives change yes ready for Mo to make T3 history of having and go out on the first one Shisdy Moes in the building I'm coming different You lost the first question
Starting point is 02:15:43 No I did oh shit I did But I got my shiasty on right now I'm feeling different Shisdy Moes in the building Let's work So real simple I got five categories See if you can name a player
Starting point is 02:15:54 Without saying the same name as me First category This player has a brother that plays in the NBA Ooh a brother who plays Maybe make it a little less specific Even though it doesn't matter this player had a brother that played in the NBA at any point okay
Starting point is 02:16:12 okay three two one Blake Griffin Halliday Seth Curry that's nice to give me superpowers right now you said Blake Griffin hit a brother in NBA
Starting point is 02:16:30 yeah I forgot about that huh okay category two this player's dad played in the NBA okay you're for confident yeah
Starting point is 02:16:44 three two one Clay Kevin Love what did you say Mo Kevin Love Kevin Love's dad playing the NBA yeah let me let me fact check that because I could be literally lying but I'm pretty sure dad played in the NBA
Starting point is 02:16:58 Spence a capper I got Austin Rivers yep wait hold on on on on on on Stan Love So much faster Former professional basketball player
Starting point is 02:17:16 I don't know if he was in the NBA No not NBA Shit is that a stain on my record or what You lost But keep playing Let's see what I didn't know No no no no it says NBA draft He was picked in the NBA
Starting point is 02:17:29 He was You know that counts I don't even know if he played I see him with the lake of Zerzi He had a four-year professional career in the NBA. There you go. I got drafted by the bullets and played for the Lakers and the spurs. Moe lives to fight another round.
Starting point is 02:17:45 Let's go. Hey, this is almost the furthest you ever made. You're tiptoeing towards history. Sheisty Mo. Leave me alone. Next question. This player had a son that played in the NBA. Okay.
Starting point is 02:18:02 Son who played in the NBA. Yeah, at any point. Okay. Three, two, one. Michael Thompson. Cheeky. Fuck. I was going to go ahead and say Carlos Boozer, but it says not in the fucking NBA.
Starting point is 02:18:17 Say a name. Ah, fuck. Say a name. Okay. Name is. He's out. Steph Curry's dad. Whatever his name is.
Starting point is 02:18:27 Shit. Say his name. Del Curry. I got Scotty Pippin. Thank you. I couldn't think of a name for some reason. I'm still alive. Del Curry, thank you.
Starting point is 02:18:41 You're like so hard to lose. Joe should be out. No, I'm not. You're just hating. You're going to be out before me. You took too long. This player has won NBA rookie of the year. Okay.
Starting point is 02:18:55 Okay. At any point. Three, two, one. LeBron James. Palo Bancaro. The Shicey give me powers. What did I say? DeVitts Carter actually won't rookie of the year?
Starting point is 02:19:12 No, I think he might have been off. Oh, you might have lost. Mok is saying if Mose is in. No, he won't. Oh, no, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. You're trying to lose, man. Okay, okay, okay, okay. You're snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.
Starting point is 02:19:29 Y'all are both in the finals. I applaud you. We'll see if you can finish it out. Thank you. This player has averaged a triple double for an entire season. Dang it Just like Okay
Starting point is 02:19:39 Two There's two people Yeah This is gun to the head right now Brough This sucks Gun to the head flipping a coin
Starting point is 02:19:50 Yeah I feel like I'm in the dark night Two One Westbrook Fuck it It's Big O Moe
Starting point is 02:19:59 Moe is not of a lois It's schicey balls in the building This thing will have to stay And you picked the wrong one There's not even an option for all three of us You see how stupid that is right Two faces when I want to play a game
Starting point is 02:20:12 Flip the coin you lost Too bad get better Weep try again next week Skill issue Mo you officially made history How you feeling Crowd eaters This is for you
Starting point is 02:20:27 This is like literally three four weeks In the fucking making man I had to get in the gym Putting in relentless hours with me, myself, and I in the mirror. You know what makes me happy about this? I know Donovan is very mad about losing this. He hates losing.
Starting point is 02:20:43 This makes me so much joy. I get used to it. I know the fashion of which he was set up to lose. I know it pisses them off. No, I don't like being set up. Like, I don't appreciate that. That was nasty for sure. You had a 50% chance of winning.
Starting point is 02:20:56 It's not my fault. That was hilarious. Nah, I didn't like it. If I was you, I would have known when I picked Bigot. No, I thought you were going to try and fake us out. It can't be greatness, man. Sadly, today, I was great. It's okay.
Starting point is 02:21:14 Donovan's petting his dog to stake on him. Because I thought that he knew. What I figured was, I thought that Isaac was going to be like, oh, yeah, I know, I know Donovan is going to want to pick Westbrook. And I know that he thinks that. So I'm going to go here. I thought it was just like a fake. out for real so yeah you got a fake out of a fake out yeah oh god put in the blender it's okay
Starting point is 02:21:39 last thing we're gonna do today we'll be back I'm gonna name two NBA teams and I want you guys to tell me which one of them has a better all-time lineup who would win in a seven game series between these two all-time teams I used to do this okay let's let's talk about it first off we got the New York Knicks versus the 76ers see I love how uh Beat is not on this all-time list. This brings me great joy. I felt like I was cheating to not put wilt over him, you know. Exactly.
Starting point is 02:22:13 It's your head to your core. It's probably the Sixers, though. I'm sorry. Like, Will is, will's better than Patrick Ewing. Alan Iverson, I would say, is better than Walt Frazier. Julie Servant, obviously, is better than Bernard King.
Starting point is 02:22:30 Wow. Listen, Iggy's going to make Carmelo work, but I mean, Carmisiggy has some defense. He might have some clamps for Camela. Yeah, Clans. Those are going to have a fantastic, like, six. Yeah, it's the same clamp that he brought out for LeBron that, you know, he held LeBron at 35. Same clamps inside. Are you using a finals MVP like it's not impressive?
Starting point is 02:22:50 I mean, it shouldn't be his. It should be Steph Curry's. It was stolen from Steph Curry. Leave it to a Curry fan to make. a 76ers versus Nick's debate about Curry. Yeah, exactly. Just for that, I'm picking the Sixers. Fuck the Knicks.
Starting point is 02:23:08 I picked the Sixers, too. Congratulations. We're on the same team. All right, next one. The Bulls versus the Warriors. I feel inclined to pick the Bulls now that we had the Muncheon going on. Now, what are we doing? This is the Warriors, bro.
Starting point is 02:23:25 We have the greatest team of all time. This might be the greatest lineup of all time. Yeah, with one of the greatest centers. Does this beat the Lakers all-time lineup? Maybe if you're talking about, like, with their movement, and instead of, I don't know. Instead of Festus Sezili, David West, you say, yeah, here's Wilk Chamberlain. Like, yeah, you might win. Here's the greatest athlete that's ever lived next to this amazing team.
Starting point is 02:23:52 It's two completely different teams because you have to deal with Magic, Kobe, Bon, and Kareem all at one time. It's too much to do with. My bad, Brian Scalabrini. He knows some mobiles. So, yeah, I mean, listen. Shout out Michael Jordan. Shout out, Scottie Pippin. Artist Gilmore is not carrying you against these giants.
Starting point is 02:24:15 Now, he's getting killed. Can Dreyman Stephen Curran pulling out of a gun? Slaughter. Oh, God. What is Jordan going to do when Dremont Green hits him with a shoulder and like slide-tack?
Starting point is 02:24:29 He's going to chuck him out. He's going to chuck him. up and he's going to get ejective from the game and go on get it's over this is the warriors sure it's the warriors like and it's yeah it's not many teams to beat this some teams like the lakers are probably more talented but in terms of actually fitting together and playing a seven game series I don't think you can really beat this all-time team for the warriors the synergy's crazy especially because four of them just fucking played together at once in real life it's hard to beat that I can't exactly I can't
Starting point is 02:24:58 believe we saw that real time that's crazy I know No, imagine DeMarcus Cousins didn't have his ACL exploded. We just saw DeMarcuscus there. Wow. He would be dominated with AD back in the Pelicans, and AD probably wouldn't be a Laker. Yeah, he never would have been there. Yeah, okay, next one. The Cavaliers versus the Miami Heat.
Starting point is 02:25:18 LeBron versus LeBron. Yeah, considering that the better version of LeBron is on Miami, I'm going to go with Miami. Mark Price, you're a great guy. Tell me, Brad Daughter. he doesn't move you? He's nice. I'm not trying to disrespect Brad, you know. Shout out Brad. You know, shout out BD. He's no Alonzo. He's no Zoh. Right. Mark Price. Mark Price, amazing shooter. He can't guard that crossover from Hardaway. He can't do that. He can't stand. You're right. But who is shooting on this team? Who is shooting on this team? See, the great
Starting point is 02:25:57 thing about Tim Hardaway's crossover is that it's very fundamental. You know what I'm It's very right here. A lot of guys are out here with it, right? What's he talking about? Tim Hardaway put you in a phone booth. And Tim Hardaway just says, I'm here, but you can't stand in. He's giving us a tutorial. Exactly.
Starting point is 02:26:12 What's going on? Exactly. Once again, it's a pop, pop. It's a very one-two, you know? Home mode engaged. It's very efficient. So, yeah, so I'm going to take Tim Hardaway because of that. Nothing beats a good drop step.
Starting point is 02:26:27 Listen, you feel them on your hip, just turn and go. You're there. We're taking Miami. You get some nice touch? I can put you on some mic and drills. We can get your touch around the rim at a 99 overall, right? Awesome. Okay, we're going to Miami.
Starting point is 02:26:43 A Mark Price, Carrier, and backcourt is tragic defensively. What do you doing? Spacing is nasty. Next up. The Brooklyn Nets versus the Los Angeles Clippers. Battle of the Little Brothers. the idea of the clippers. Like, if you were to put this in 2K,
Starting point is 02:27:04 I think I might take the clippers. I don't know. The idea of the Nets is ridiculous. Jason, with three athletic wings and a, and Brooke Lopez down low? Chris Paul with Blake Griffin and then two two-way wings.
Starting point is 02:27:20 And Bob McAdoo? Yeah. Oh, and Bob McAdoo smokes Brooke Lopez. What version of Brooklyn do we have? Do we have splash mountain, Brooke Lopez? No, he wasn't shoot like that with the Nets. Listen, when you're talking about offensive rebounding.
Starting point is 02:27:38 Exactly. Ew. Ew. You're talking about post position. No, I'm going to go with the clippers. Chris Paul could throw an entry pass, too. Oh, hell no. They don't do entry passes anymore.
Starting point is 02:27:52 It's not really a thing. It's a lost art. Exactly. But if you get somebody who's skilled down low, again, you feel them on your back, seal. right hand up right you put the hand up bro you let them know right now you put the hand up you let him know exactly where you want it right good god i have kawai's healthy chris paul's in his prong give me the clippers thanks though
Starting point is 02:28:16 rappers versus the magic ew shack and dwight is nasty as oh who the hell is ew it's disgusting it's nasty it's disgusting you'd probably put dwight at the fore But it's also awesome. It's O.P. Who's, who's guarding? Chris Bosch can't guard Dwight like that. And he for sure can't guard Shaq like that.
Starting point is 02:28:42 Kauai getting, Kauai guarding Shaq or Dwight his knees might burst, bro. Holy should. Yeah, but also Dwight Varding cool, Dwight guarding Kauai. If it's young Dwight, he has a chance for sure. We're running Kauai. We're running Dwight Howard off a double stagger screen,
Starting point is 02:28:59 making a run on the perimeter. We are tiring his ass out. I promise you, Shaq, he's not moving five feet away from the basket. We will play this zone. We will play this zone all day long. Those two guys are not moving. Every single time in my life
Starting point is 02:29:14 where I bought in with Kyle Lowry and DeMarterwood Roars and Lead Backcourt, I've lost. So I'm definitely in the Orlando Magic. Listen. Kauai wasn't walking through those doors. He's here today. Now, I'm moving back.
Starting point is 02:29:28 19 kawai this is a cyborg kawai we don't care about that this is this is jacking d'i they're getting beat tomorrow larry's basketball i'm definitely i'm definitely they're losing by 30 on the boards every migrating and hardaway too that bag is disgusting thanks the athleticism and you have the shooter and rachal lewis yeah no just a little bit of spacing yeah i'm definitely in orlando that's all you need we got dwight and shackdon with lobs to each other just volleyball I don't even know if they'll mess with you so like that on the same team for real oh I didn't think about that the chemistry might tear the team apart yeah no shit I didn't think about that we can go after Shacks not Sax and I can let them succeed
Starting point is 02:30:09 Shacks and they still were out here winning championship so Dwight is not Kobe that is very true you are right right about that pressure makes diamonds damn Dwight Turner afters you are the winners Next one. The Mavericks or the Rockets? This is tough. This is tough. This is tough.
Starting point is 02:30:37 Listen, James Hardin, Hakeem Alojuan pick and roll will be one of the nastiest things we've ever seen. It'd be ridiculous. You got caught on the wing, too. I might leave the use of rockets. But a Luca Dirk pick and roll? That team has spacing. With the pick and pop ability,
Starting point is 02:30:54 you're right I think I might trust in the defense of the Houston Rockets more I think the defense is pretty pissed for the Mavericks Nash, Donchitz and you got Dirk too Tyson Chandler and Mark McGuire
Starting point is 02:31:11 are fighting for their lives Yeah I don't think Team Nash and Luca can play like that though I don't know I mean A little James Hardin and Chris Paul type action They definitely could for sure They definitely could but on the often i know for a fact hard and emigrety could cook together
Starting point is 02:31:26 a hundred percent i know for a fact malone and hakeen can cook together listen that's four out of the five cooking so yeah i'm gonna take the right drexo you can just be there you can figure it out get in where you fit in he could just catch lobs he yeah there you can run the break spacing's tragic but we'll make it work let's go rockets we're just gonna be there derrick jones junior is that you're telling me right now exactly exactly buy into your role clyd wow What if Derek Jones, Jr. was just Clyde Drexler.
Starting point is 02:31:57 All right. What are you talking about? The Milwaukee Bucks versus the OKC Thunder slash Supersonics. Kareemiannis and Ray Allen is tough. And Big O2, of course. Let's see, they both got Ray Allen. Ray Allen or Ray Allen crime. See, listen, where you lose me is the Kareem versus Sean Kemp.
Starting point is 02:32:21 Yeah. Everybody else Everybody else can get it I see one of these things Is not like the other So This is literally the clown meme right here Yeah
Starting point is 02:32:32 Sean Kemp would be furious guarding a post hook over and over again Exactly And he's gonna be over here crying To KD for like help He'd be acting like Sean Kemp today Gary Payne went out the guard Kareem
Starting point is 02:32:46 Oh my God, yeah It's reps I just read Lepin Donovan said thank you violence all right we're going bucks this is too easy kareemiannis are unstoppable together
Starting point is 02:33:04 it's ridiculous with spacers yeah the bucks are out there posting up guards doing this big old 60s basketball thing that'd be glorious yeah the bucks is an easy choice for sure is over here dribbling real hard one hand can nobody stop that one hand shot
Starting point is 02:33:18 and it's unstoppable it's taking floaters from 25 feet. Ew, that's crazy. All right, next up. The Grizzlies
Starting point is 02:33:29 or the Hawks? See, guys, these are two of the worst all-time teams. We've ever seen. Joe Johnson mentioned.
Starting point is 02:33:42 Joe Johnson's I'm gonna take the Hawks though. I'm gonna take the Hawks though. I'm gonna take the Hawks. Shane Baddy just immediately tanks the team the entire team from me. I'm not gonna like.
Starting point is 02:33:51 to you. What? He's a he fits in. Great player for sure. He's a nice guy. He's not stopping. He's not stopping Iso Joe.
Starting point is 02:34:00 He's not stopping the human highlight rule, Dominique Wilkins. John Moran, Mike Conley defense is hilarious to imagine. That's the small as bad court that you could ever imagine, right? Nobody would be stopped. Are you telling me? But also a Bob Pettit Matumbo front court in the modern NBA? Oh, Jesus. Brother.
Starting point is 02:34:21 We have Joe Johnson. Put on 2007 Joe Johnson eyes and your mind will change forever. You don't remember Prime Joe Johnson. Explain it to me. Right? So the thing about Prime Joe Johnson, right? Joe Johnson can really get a bucket on anybody. It's the reason why in the big three right now, all these old dudes, they're struggling,
Starting point is 02:34:43 their backs hurt. Joe Johnson is still out here, 40 plus. You see, the thing is, they don't teach a jab step anymore. They don't teach the pump fake anymore. See, Joe Johnson was the massive. The triple threat, right? You got to be able to dribble, pass, or shoot at any given moment, right? Yes.
Starting point is 02:35:00 Have you seen that video of Larry Bird and Kevin McHale Explained the pick and roll? Yeah. That's not that you said like. Oh, my goodness. Yo, shout out Joe Donson, though, for real, though. I'm taking it. I'm taking the hawks.
Starting point is 02:35:23 If you're still here, comment, shout out Joe Johnson. I'm taking the hawks. If you're still here, comment, they don't know about the triple threats. They don't know. They don't know. Classic, bro. Next up. Last one.
Starting point is 02:35:44 The Spurs or the Celtics? Again, one of these things is not like the other. Bob Coosie, you're getting a. attacked. I'm taking the time of the Toney Parker. It's just Tony Parker. Don't make me do it. Don't make me tell you how good and how much of a problem Tony Parker was. You're talking about going down. You're talking about going down. Talk about that unstoppable mid-range game. Talk about that flutation device. Get to where he wanted in the mid-range. His spin move towards the basket was amazing. He was very quick, not fast, but quick. quick and he can get around bob coozy i'm going with tony parker i'm sorry i can't fucking breathe i can't believe the fact of what's going on man this is the stupidest thing i've ever
Starting point is 02:36:44 I can't formulate a sentence I'm crying real tears Oh my gosh Yeah, I'll take the spurs Also they have the listen respect Bill He can't he can't provide the same offense That Tim or Dave Robinson can So mismatch
Starting point is 02:37:13 him and Paul Pierce trying to guard George Curfin and Tim Duncan. Yeah, they're getting a nightmare. Mismatch. Paul Pierce, man. His day, he's going to have a really bad night that night. Oh, my goodness.
Starting point is 02:37:24 Oh, my God. He did reps. Wow. Yeah, man. That's the show. That's the show. This is the end of the episode. If you're still here, comment, they don't know about the triple threat. Comment, shout out Joe Johnson. I so Joe. Check out the
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