The Deep 3 Podcast - We Graded Every NBA Free Agency Move Ft. KOT4Q | Ep. 148

Episode Date: July 5, 2025

Today we talk every move from NBA free agency with Kenny Beecham aka  @KOT4Q  #nba Watch Ep. 1 of our new NFL show, House Call: https://youtu.be/tLCotLu7s5w?si=cyt68lyDbXj-OzTO Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Mo's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Welcome to House Call 6:13- Intro with Kenny 8:25- Bucks sign Myles Turner 18:53- Lakers sign Deandre Ayton 32:02- Rockets sign DFS 38:40- Nuggets trade for Cam Johnson 44:27- Hawks sign NAW 53:42- Bulls trade Lonzo Ball 59:57- Mavs sign D'Lo 1:05:47- Hornets add sneaky athleticism 1:12:28- Pistons replace Malik Beasley with Duncan Robinson 1:14:42- Grizzlies sign Ty Jerome 1:18:44- Clippers sign Brook Lopez 1:19:33- Pelicans add Kevon Looney 1:25:27- Knicks sign Jordan Clarkson 1:30:27- Timberwolves retain their guys 1:33:50- Spurs sign Luke Kornet 1:40:30- Raptors extend Jakob Poeltl 1:43:12- Winners & losers of free agency 1:46:12- Tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So you guys click this video. You probably were excited. You saw the title. You saw Kenny Beech him, aka King the fourth quarter, is back on this episode. First time he's been on the show in about a year.

Just wait. You're going to get that. But first, we have a very special announcement. You see, I'm wearing a jersey. He's wearing a jersey. He's wearing some other shit. I don't know what to call that.

I'm going to cue a trailer for you. Cue the trailer for House Call. Hello? Yo, fuck the Cowboys. My mind. Touchdown! Unbelievable! What the hell is a house call?

We got a football show. Because we have nothing else to talk about. Multi-dimensional, yeah. That's what I'm saying. We got to make some money. My running is dude. We got to talk. So as you guys see, we have a new show.

we are here first week and it actually came out yesterday so you guys might have already seen it if you're a real avid fan you pay attention to our pages we're here to launch house call basically the NFL version of TD3

nothing's in change on the basketball end we're gonna do the same thing but now we're gonna do it again on the NFL side yeah man how you're feeling man this is this is what the streets

you've been waiting for I'm ready to feed the streets people have been asking us for like three years to do NFL content that's insane yeah anytime anybody ever asked about like what we do

or like the podcast like oh yeah you know We talk about the NBA, and they're like, you guys do football? You guys just do the NBA? Now I got some stuff for you. I got an answer to that question. I love it. You're a better man and me.

Whenever someone asks me what I do, I just tell him I'm a referee straight up. We like that. It's just awkward, bro. Yeah. But yeah, now we talk about football. Now I talk about football. Facts. And you guys might, we've heard about, we talked about in the past about, like,

me and Donovan are big NFL fans. Donovan is a massive Eagles fan. I'm a Chargers fan. Mo is not currently a big NFL fan. TBD on what his fan base will be. What we're doing with this show is it's obviously going to be a little bit less knowledgeable than basketball. We've been covering basketball for years, paying attention at the maximum level covering it every day, making content. So we're on the more casual side for now.

But, you know, the whole point of the show, you're all going to go with us. We know bat football. Mo is getting into football with us. So the whole concept of the show will be us getting better as we go. But, you know, we're still fans, but getting better and better. And I'm basically damn near learning from scratch. I've been a fan of football before or since I was like maybe 15, 16 years old, perfect time because that was around. on Cam Newton's MVP season and that's what carried my football spirit now of course you see this

jersey you see this hat oh my god he's a fuck no I'm not just because I'm from Atlanta don't mean that I'm a falcons fan don't associate me with any team at all I am a free agent and me and my alliance will happen as time goes on probably toward the end of the year but for now I'm just observing and I am the super super casual you think he's casual no man I'm the real one here yeah me and donovan are like educated fans but we still have a little bit to go to get back on the love level of being like to the workplace we're at in the basketball world to cover a sport yeah this is some ways to go but like it's listen we got even now like even us knowing as much as we did about the NBA we still have gotten better yeah covering the NBA in the years that we've been doing the show

it's going to be the same thing with the football show as well we're going to get better we're gonna like you guys keep saying you guys are going to grow with us this is a very living breathing ecosystem a living breathing show so we're super excited for you guys to come along with this um this this is great yeah so obviously you guys don't watch this for us no one we're talking about either way it's going to be the same tomfoolery the same look at me right now and understand nothing is going to be different except we're just talking about football instead of basketball first episode new landscape new segments bro we're going to do some type of segment where we have to predict games and someone's going to wear the helmet and get beat over the head with me i'm going to

go ahead and tell you guys as we say like we're learning i'm especially learning i'm going to bring an interesting new fact randomly as each episode goes on bro yep So, again, very different dynamic from what you get here, but the same tone, the same formats, all the stuff I do to make the show work. We're going to do it over there too. So it'll be familiar, but with a nice fresh breath air, well, fresh of breath air, that was dumb as fuck. CTE already. I know. With a nice breath of fresh air, you have, you guys might like it more because we're a little more casual there.

So it won't be quite as argument too. I don't know. Now, we're going to argue. I know. We're going to argue. We're going to hate. We're going to glaze sometimes. It is what it is.

Yeah. Quick question to you guys. which league has the better fan base more knowledgeable and all that okay so the average NFL fans probably a little bit more in tune but there's still like there's NFL fan there's bigger NFL fan bases at least online like it's a bigger sport in America so there's more casuals like quarterback dialogue is ridiculously bad it's truly atrocious but I think the average the coverage on TV is a lot better for the NFL so maybe the average fan has a little bit

more knowledge. 100% like you can play people might be able to like name some concept just because they play madden for a long time or like you know a lot more players you are not calling plays in 2K right like you don't understand actions if you're just an average 2K player and honestly if you're an average 2K player you probably know less about basketball than if you're just watching the games as opposed to playing madden and watching the NFL so yeah yeah NFL fans are they're fun yeah so I think the average entry level discourse probably little more educated but like

talking about like the upper level like breaking down what makes a quarterback different from somebody else is atrocious dialogue wow all right nb fans you are dumb yeah man so introducing you guys a house call it's going to be pinned in the top comment obviously top of the description it'll be all over our social you'll see it nonstop hopefully so check it out subscribe episode one is already out we graded every single NFL team's off season with that being said let's get you guys on to Kenny Beecham, a.k.a. King in the fourth quarter with us to grade every single NBA free agency signing from this season. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God.

I mean, I don't really don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice. We're now, it's time for the part everyone's here for, the part you guys seen the title. We've got our special guest here in person for the first time in the studio. Thank you, thank you for having me. In Chicago, how are you feeling, man? Feeling great, man, to be the first guest on Housecom. I was, it's so, so cool.

I mean, we were all football, right? Yeah. And I didn't really play the part. Those are the teams y'all support? No. I'm an Eagles fan. Okay. Yes.

I'm an Eagles fan. I haven't bought a jersey in forever because I feel like a cross sports. The moment I get a jersey, the guy that gets traded or something crazy out there. So I'm like, I'm done off there. So you got to get the jersey of the person. You hate the most. I'm only getting throwbacks at this point. Okay.

That's fair. I'm only getting throwbacks. And I'm sure you're Atlanta. No. No. No, you would think so. You would think so. Right now I'm a free agent.

Okay. My fandom is earned. It isn't given. He's a Cam Newton fan. I'm a Ken Newton fan. I'm first. You know, he's like my second favorite, first favorite athlete of all time. But for the first year, the NFL season, as I'm like learning football and also like

the studying, the history teams where their trajectory to go, I'm just a free agent right now. I like that. Yeah, the whole theme of the show is him learning with us because right now has no jackshed about football. So he's in learning with the audience, like anywhere close to an expert. So he's going to learn with the audience and then pick his team at the end. We're going to do a little hat with free agency. That's dope. And then bears?

No, I'm a charge his fan. Okay. I was praying that you weren't a Cowboys fan. No, no, no. Well, he's a Lakers fan too. So I just didn't know if he was just, and then it's going to be Yankee. Yeah, yeah. You see, I always wear different teams just for fashion.

So I wore Eagles fan, a Eagles hat. like a couple weeks ago and comments where of course he's an Eagles fan I'm like y'all get tired of doing this I have a new team on every other week and y'all still make the same assumption but football is a conversation for another day appreciate you coming on in the week of our announcement

today we're here to talk about the NBA here to talk about the regular schedule people were asking us why we didn't stream on Tuesday because we have this special episode with you here we're gonna grade every single free agency signing slash trade slash extension slash coaching firing slash GM firing for some teams go through the course of the league

everything that's happened this week and graded for every team. Where do you want to start? Colin Gillespie, obviously. Naturally. I guess when you start with the move that has the most implications, let's talk about the Miles Turner trade and subsequent Damien Lillard firing from his job out of nowhere. This is depressing, man. You got to pick up a podcast, Mike.

It's time. It's about that time. I heard Paul George has an opening. So, we're hiring. So we'll start with the Miles Turner aspect of all. What are you grading the signing? taking away the Damian Lord of all. Gotta be like, honestly, I don't, I don't hate it that much.

Like, I think, especially given the fact that, like, that Janus is in the situation where everybody all for like the entirety of the summer is like, he's going to leave. He's going to request the trade. You have to do something. You guys have nothing. The fact that you were able to get somebody in there of Miles Turner caliber, like, fine, right? So I think in terms of their effort, it's a B. I think overall, if getting Miles Turner and then waiving Dame,

if that comes out in like a year with like the big piece and like that was the initial point of yonis being like yeah i don't trust this front office anymore now i'm going to leave then ultimately it's an f but i think like going into next season it's probably like a beat damn sorry it's my football swing you're a little strong now you're wrong it's very much a d in my mind oh it's a very frantic move miles turner is obviously a good player but i don't think he is the type of player to convince someone like Janus to stay like I understand the thought process of of waving Damien Lord every single year is precious when you have an all-time rate like Janus on your team but this is not the move to go ahead and and make in order to try in

order to impress someone like Janus it's a D super short-sided I think that in a vacuum is not that bad right yeah upgrade in Brooke Lopez to mouse Turner I think 99% of GMs across basketball. The only other 1% is probably Chicago. They're all going to say yes to that. Yeah. The problem is the stretching and waving of Damien Lillard. Exactly.

Because it's, like you said, it is short-sighted in a sense that having a bad contract on your team, in most cases, is movable. Right? Zach Levine was a bad contract for the Chicago Bulls. They were able to trade them away. You don't have to worry about that. The fact that Damia Liller is going to be on their salary books for five years and you can't do anything about it.

Oh, I thought it was four. Five years. And so this Miles Turner contract is four-year, $107 million. That's fine value. But I think the way they're justifying this in their head is by stretching Dame for those five years, it's $22 million per year on the books. So they're like, listen, we're paying Miles 25, put the 22. It's basically 47 for a second star. That's the best we can hope for for Janus to stay and want to be happy.

That's fine value. We can get away with that roster building wise. One, Miles Turner is not worth that much if that is a justification. to, okay, so I guess I'll say this. I'll give it a B. I think they're operating in desperation. DefCon, is it DefCon 1 or 5 is the worst one? I think DefCon 1 is like the super emergency. Okay, that's the word.

Defcon 1 is Yon is leaving. That would be utter worst case scenario despite, you know, everybody wanting him to leave. For the Bucks franchise, for them wanting to make money selling tickets, it would be the worst case scenario. They're going to do whatever they have to to make him happy. If they think Miles Turner is the best bet they can make, the best show of competency they can make, I understand the swing.

but I do think it's going to be a swing and a whiff. So I'm not going to give it an A because I don't think it's enough. I don't think it's enough to convince him if that is what he needs to see. I don't think this is going to make him say yeah, I'm a buck fan for life. But it's worth the attempt, I suppose. Yeah, that's the bad part because as soon as it happened, Yonis goes on Twitter and he's like, what is going on? Right. He just starts talking

on Twitter. And so it's like, okay, that doesn't feel great, right? Just to just to see. But I think, like you said, the fact that they're operating out of desperation at this point you are going year by year with yannis until you can get a like actual contending team or like a legitimate second star and so like for them to really to resign all a lot of the guys from last year to go get miles turning out in a week east you have an opportunity to say can we win a playoff series if yonis goes crazy and you don't have to play some wild pacer's team again like there's there is

into where at the end of the season, if the Bucks, again, I don't think it's going to happen. Yeah. But if the Bucks do win a playoff series in seven games, gets to the second round and it's like strong and scrappy and all that stuff, then you can go back to Yoneth and say, well, we tried and now it's more on you than it does. Yonnes is clearly looking for any reason to stay. He clearly wants to be loyal. So maybe this convinces him that this is enough that he knows they're not going to win a

championship, but they're showing him. They're trying. Maybe that's enough. But I don't think they're a top four team in the east side for this move. No, no. No, no at all at all. was still the third most important player damn that's tough who's the starting shooting guard Gary Trent uh Gary Trent

5 point guard he who he who shall not be named yeah is that they start him to like a three year deal okay yeah I know you're talking about yeah they extended his ass uh it's got to be him because Mishich if that's how you pronounce it they think he's going to get waves so you can go back overseas down it's like it's really just him and he had a moment in the postseason this year just one singular moment yeah so maybe you can say that's start starting point guard. At the end of the day, you try to keep Yonis happy. And if this is how you do it, then sure.

But I'm thinking about the basketball because for the now, this team's not going to be good enough. And then it's just hard to believe that they're going to do anything over the next year or so to make the team good enough. It's like in general it's going to be a cooked product regardless. We can all assume what the ending is going to be to this. But in my mind, it's just about how do you want to go out? And I think going out with having $22 million being owed to Damiena in the 2030s is

insane that just the good side is if yonis does request a trade and it doesn't work that 22 million doesn't fucking matter because they're going to be tanking for four years yeah so on that end like i don't think the long-term outcome it was maybe as detrimental assuming the long-term bad outcome is yonis leaving but this is like they're only all in move now because you can't do much else with that lingering yeah i always feel like there's something to be done never did i think that waive and damia lillard was yeah i don't know what y'all reaction was but when we saw that Miles Turner got signed to $100 million. We were on our set, like, right before we started shooting.

And we were like, how to hell did they come up with $100 million for Miles Turner? And then three minutes late, it was like, oh. Yeah, there it is. Oh. Wow. Like, okay, so I saw it. And I was like, damn, like, that's crazy just because you, you saw, like, the business of the NBA come into it where it's like, yes, you fought back from blood clots, right? You overcame a very rough season last year.

You tore your Achilles. And then now you're just gone. Dame is in his mid-30s, a smaller guard. He's coming off in Achilles. Even there's, I don't know how great of an argument it is, but there is an argument that having Dame have to fight back in real time from his Achilles injury might have done a little bit more like hamstring in the team because you know he's so great that you have to integrate him into everything that you're doing,

but he might not just be at that level anymore. And so if you want to say, hey, you just have to take that back. because Janus is there, fine, but I feel like, especially at this point in his career, it might be fair to bet against him rather than, yeah, we're going to keep you on the team and waste whatever the next year is. Did y'all believe Janus when he was reported through Chris Haynes that he was upset or didn't know about the Damiener thing when he did the whole Drake? No.

Not for a second. Love me some Janus, but this is the third time he's done this now with Drew with Chris and now with Dame. I don't believe it for a second. feel like happy for someone like dame obviously because i think this is probably for his career the best possible outcome things were probably never going to work or get any better over there in milwaukee he gets free money for doing absolutely nothing he gets to choose also where he wants to spend probably like the last of the peak of his career someone like him deserves some like this because i was sitting here thinking about it like before we started shooting him like damn bro like dame

really had like the worst three years that any player could have bro got divorced he got blood clots and then on top of that too is towards achilles now you got waved tough but still you got a sprinkle in the divorce that's all right blood clots too bro it's like you had a lead with that it's too man yeah it's tough we're i hope he goes to the trailblazers i hope they let him rehab the facilities he comes back mentors of young guards just let him retire a legend there do you think the troveblazers like weren't weren't open like even in the slightest to making a dame for drew just one-to-one swap i mean not they don't have to clearly if they're gonna buy time out. Never got there.

That's the good question because that was one of the things that I thought about immediately after he was waived. Like even though he is on the Killies Terrier and probably won't play the entirety of next season, would that be a team willing to trade for his contract because the next year is a player option and just sit them, you rehab them here. And we are the, I don't know, Miami Heat. And it's like we're going to have Dame in 2026, 2027. But obviously you're basically mortgaging the entirety of this year waiting for Dames the next year. The only teams I can see doing that would be extremely desperate teams and then, I don't, trading, trading for somebody who's coming off in Achilles is a wild

risk. And so I do think that for, like, the heat might be the only team that it makes sense because Pat Rodney has, he has that much cachet. If you trade for a guy who's coming off in Achilles injury and it doesn't work, you're fired. You're fired. Like, what do you mean you gave up assets knowing that he just ruptured his Achilles a couple months ago? What are you doing? What are you doing? So, yeah, I don't know if the market was all the way there or even if it, even if people like the idea if the job security aspect probably wasn't there. Yeah, there's no other team I could think of. It's like, do we hate Bradley B.O. so much that we would trade him away for a guy that won't play next season. That's crazy. Maybe if you had, what's their pick situation next year? Is it

protected at all or is it a swap? Yeah, the sons. I have no. I can't remember what they're because there's so many different variables. If they had their own pick, that's a good way to take spent $50 million in the guy that can't play. Yeah. But considering you're kind of convinced Devin Booker every single day that he should stay there, probably wouldn't do it, but if they were smart and wanted to tank, that wouldn't be a dumb idea. Yeah. Oh. What hell was that? That was the

Philgo Post. Yeah. I think Cody Parky hit the uprights again. All right, move on to the next team. Let's go to the second biggest storyline. Just get it out of the way. With the Los Angeles Lakers, signing DeAndi Andre Aden and signing Jake LaRavia. We can talk about it as a package deal or we can talk about individually, whatever y'all want. What's the grade for

Aiton Focus, but you can sprinkle in the Ravia? I guess for the Aiton, for the Aitin signing itself, I'm giving it an A. Ooh. I think, I think the biggest Aiton Hater I know. You got him for- Oh, you haven't heard me talk to. I'm gonna get jumped. You got it for $16 million over two years. Yeah.

Right? Like the value there is just fine. And then going into next season, having the fact, the fact that you tried to trade for Mark Williams didn't get it done. You know that you don't have a center. And going from Jackson Hates, who was unplayable to DeAndre Aton. And again, for only $8 million a year. I like the value.

It's the best that you can do. And, like, people thought that he was going to get, like, 14. Yeah. He probably could have for the Pacers. That's what I'm saying. That's fine. Do I like him as a player? No, but did you make the best move possible?

Yes. And I'm going to. Yeah, that's how I feel, too. I was joking. I think DeAndre Aden is not the type of center that I think Luca or JJ would love. But for $8 million a year, Clintapella got 10. He's better than Klinkepella right now. That's a low bar.

You know what I'm saying? And he's way better than Jayette. Jackson Hayes, which is what the alternative was. So that's the win, ultimately. I don't subscribe to the portion of Lakers fandom that's like, now we got our guy, and it's our time to win because I don't think he's going to impact it that much.

That just means you haven't heard my argument yet. But it is okay. I feel good about giving them a B. I'm not in love with DeAndre Aten as a player, but in general, like he is the type of guy to be, he has the skill set and ability to morph into

whatever it is, the scheme whatever the scheme is for 48 minutes. Out of the 48 minutes, he may play that way from like four or five. But regardless of the fact, it's better than whatever JJ was rolling out earlier or towards the end of the season, running like no center, five out during the final games

of the Minnesota Timberville series. So I think they maximize on what they could do. Is he the guy? I don't know, but he's a guy, which is better than nothing. He's not the guy. But like, you just can't have, you can't have your head coach hate your starting center. Now, we might get to.

to that point though it might have i think we surely would get exactly so there's there's the aspect but please you're ready to hear uh i need the coat you're ready to hear a dandre a apology i need i mean you've been begging for it your whole life right yeah uh yeah i've been been like i promise he's good he just needs a right opportunity that didn't mean i wanted the opportunity to be on my team necessarily but i have always maintained that like i like him as a player i just wish he wasn't so lazy so many times like didn't get his own way. But over the past couple years, I've said he needs the blame. He needs to be criticized for coaching after he got paid. But I do think the Portland scenario was terrible for him. He went

from a coach in Moni Williams who hated him. Probably because of things he did. It's probably deserved. But the coach clearly hated him. He went to Portland. The first year in Portland, that team was a joke. That team was a fucking disaster. I was thinking that they had the worst coach in the NBA for the first year there. And last year, they got together in large part because they benched him. It was never a good fit for him there. They didn't have the guards to set him up. He is a very guard-reliant type of big. He's not the guy that can, if you let him go out there and try to piece in the post, it's not going to go well.

But if he can play off of Chris Paul, play off of Devin Booker, he has finishing abilities that I think people say are gone out of like assumption that he doesn't want to do that anymore. But I think he also has been playing with zero guards that can do an interior pass at a high level. So I do still have faith that he can produce better closer what we saw in 2021, 2021, 2022. Defensively, I think I have to do a lot of hope that he will buy in, that he will be with a coach like JJ Redick who is really good at deployment.

his talent he'll put him in a more versatile scheme he'll have him play higher at the level not just be a traditional drop big with shitty guards in front of him we can't fight over a screen trying to see anthony simons get clocked by defending bigs and he has to defend two people that didn't go well i think he can be in the team here that fits a little bit better for him on both ends and the main reason i'm selling myself on this it's contract here well it's he doesn't have a two-year deal he has a player option he does not want to take that he does not want to take that he has a player option because rob polinka is not good of his job and gives everybody a player option because that's how he convinced them to come it's really a one-year deal where he wants to

play well have lucca feed him lobs have you know a good infrastructure that makes him have his PR rise up then he tests the market either gets extended by the lakers or 25 million a year or whatever or go somewhere else at cap space next year that's the goal I think he'll probably want to get paid really bad so I do think he'll try harder I do think playing with lebron and luka will help him offensively I think it will be good it's not the answer to the future just because contract situation I think it'll probably get paid by somebody else next year. So I'm not like, we got Lucas big. But I do think it makes them, like, substantially better.

And it makes me not hate the fact that they lost Dory and Penny Smith. Just because they replaced him with Aden and Pustl Arabia. I don't think that's like a nightmare scenario like it seemed to the last DFS. So you're going A? You're going A or B? Sure, we can go A. I don't have a card. So I didn't think about it.

I'll do it for you. So do y'all buy into everything I said? Do you think this is copium or do you think he'll actually be good? It's definitely Coke. It's definitely cold. There are some interesting things. I think that the one thing that it's going to be most interesting is, like, there's no place to play basketball with more eyes like the Lakers.

He just played in Portland where us NBA nerds watched him play and be like, oh, he's kind of shit. You can't do that with the Lakers because half your games on TV anyway. And you're playing with LeBron. You're playing with Luca. And it can go two different ways. He can buy into that and really play well, or he can crawl into a ball and cry because everybody's upset with him and then leave to go somewhere else next season.

I just want to see him get to the fucking basket draw a foul use those big shoulders do all the stuff that like your high school coach tell you to do if you're 60s right just get to the foul line

do those things because what do you attempt like 1.4 he does not he gives the line like once every three weeks it's a seven foot yeah Don what do you always say

get your big ass in the pain you're seven feet you're seven feet tall Yo, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's very fresh here. Offensively, I don't worry about it because I feel like an underrated aspect of Aiton's game is his ability to, like you said, like catch lobs and stuff. Well, you mentioned that, but for the most part, that's a very underrated aspect of his game.

It didn't get deployed enough, nearly enough, especially in Portland, because he didn't have the surrounding guys to set him up in that way. And that's a key part of Lucas game, and I'm excited to see what he does on that end. really what scares me as a defensive and that's the only reason why I'm like eh as of now but hey he's a body and it's better than none and it's just scary because they don't have dFS anymore and ruy's like one of the worst off ball defenders i've ever seen solid on ball great cutter he's been hitting his three as well horrible as a team defender gives up back cuts nonstop lebron's only getting older jake laravia shout out him not some like lockdown defender not

what dFS brought as a big wing that can you know help with the nail they don't have a ton of infrastructure for him so he's gonna have a ton of defensive pressure and everything we're saying really just comes down to like who he is as a person like does he respond to this PR bringing an all-time low the fact that his pockets are at brink of failure and going to next year if he does bad again becomes a minimum guy does he respond to this and lock in for at least one year or does what you said happen there's the most eyes possible in the lakers does he just fold like it really just comes down to who he is as a person yeah he wanted his goal to get the second contract I need you to dream bigger I need you to dream for a third

Right. Because like the Lakers, they need a center. It's been, it's been something that everybody's talked about. I just, I, yeah. It's, it's an A, but yes, it's very scary when, like, your, your hopes are in DeAndre Aiton's hands now. We hate the fact he doesn't get to the rim anymore and, like, his rim volume is super low. He's pretty fucking good from the mid-range. Like, as annoying as it is, as much as it doesn't lead to good offense. Like, it is a legitimate wrinkle this team didn't have before. He shoots 51% from Florida range, 44% on mid-range jumpers. That's not horrible from a big, like, and he's going to get better looks now. all the things that we take as negatives he does have some skills that we just overlook because the downsides are so fucking horrible so I'm allowing myself to believe I'll get none of the downsides and all the upsides As you should as a Lakers fan Yeah, that's how it goes

It's the off season, babe, you gotta have some hope Yeah Okay, oh, La Ravia Do you guys, are you moved by that? Do you guys like him? Zero opinion on Jake La Ravia Defensively, I know shit about Jake Once he ended up in Sacramento

I couldn't tell you a single thing he did I swear to you So I think the reason they got him He was the first person they signed And JJ Reddick really wants to have five guys on the court that can attack a closeout, I think. He never really wanted to start DFS, and that confuse people. I think it's because when you swing the ball to DFS in the corner, he's going to be a deer in headlights. His knees are going to clock together and he's not going to run anywhere.

Jake LaRavia is excellent attacking closeouts, and I think that's the main reason he wants him. He's got to keep your star players happy. Him and Austin Reeves are like this, man. Oh, they're friends? That's the star. Oh, yeah. I thought it was him and Luke who were like, besties. No, when he announced that he was talking to the Lakers, he was in the car and he panned over.

where he was in a car with Austin Reeves. Oh, wow. Hey, man, we're going to have the whitest team of all the time. And we keep Dalton Connect. They can roll out a lineup of Luca, Reeves, Connect, La Ravia, the trade for Walker Kessler. We can get the full Aryan line up.

That's your bag. That's just right back. Alex Lynn. He's right there. Oh, my God, kill me. The thing with Jake Laveria, God damn, Laravia, that scares me, for real, is knowing how often, obviously,

like, Luca has his defensive lapses and then Austin Reeves, too. He's not the best defender damn near in the same conversations is Luca probably not that bad. I just don't feel confident about their front line defense at all. I'm confident like JJ Reg is going to do his best to maximize when it comes to the game plan. But the actual execution, no matter how much buying it is, at the end of that you need some type of like great there. And that's just not there for the- You know, it's crazy. I'm praying they get Andrew Wiggins.

I'm praying they get the second lowest motor athletic player behind John Reagan to pair with the first they got. I'm praying we can fix these two low motor former one of all picks. That's my ceiling play in my mind. It's such a weird situation to be in, like having Luca and then having to buy low on everybody else. Like this should be one of, this should be the start of a new era, a new day, right? Where like you feel decent, but like the fact that you are continuing to rebuild or I guess like retool.

And you still, I think at this point, like I do think that LeBron's probably going to be there. That's also just like a weird, you know, situation that's also having. happening. So it just, it's a lot of uneasiness. Because you said that I'm praying LeBron request a trade and goes to the cabs. I'm praying we get Jared Allen that he helps us on his way out sends a lifeline because there is so little past of getting high end talent. I'm praying he forces his way home and the calves have to do a bad deal and give us either Jared Allen or Garland. This is why I hate Lakers. They have LeBron. They have LeBron on their team and are hoping that LeBron requests a trade. This is your title at its finest. I got good years. I got good

years i'm i'm happy if he's if he's happy with the outcome and he's happy with this era being done i'm happy with him you see him golfing with the welcome home yeah i did might be happening the calves would be nuts to do any of those traits by the way yeah just it would be panicking if the second apron wasn't a thing i would somewhat understand it but because they have to dump max truce and then do what would it take jaundra hunter jared allen and like one more small contract this is too much that's a lot of players when you said wiggins it made me think about like the most number one overall picks we've seen on a single roster oh my gosh and i won't i can't thinking about it i would love it and it so there's reports today that the heat are trying to get

everything the lakers fucking have for him yeah but if it was like realistically like uh gave vincent maxi cleba and what would it be the third contract if they don't do ruy jared van derbilt and then get him a pick and connect and we keep ruy out of that that's probably good for both size you're gonna have a roster of seven people at that point though hey brawny's coming in to be eight oh right right right we they saw the biannual exception they get one one way for five mill i mean listen brownie's headline in the first day of summer he is him versus cooper flag man that's real And there's reports that they might do a 17 deal. Why they set him up like that?

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and extend Fred Ben Bleet which I think are solid deal to keep the band together then they got Dorian Finney Smith on a four-year deal for the middle-level exception four years 14 million dollars per year, snatched them away from the Lakers. What are y'all grading that? General retooling of the roster, but mostly DFS. A, obviously. They double down, triple down, quadruple down what they love and what they're trying to be about.

Long, rangy, lengthy defenders all have capabilities offensively when it comes to shooting the three ball. I love it. It's a A. Nothing to hate about it at all. No notes. I mean, DFS now is what, the seventh most important player on this team? Maybe.

Crazy. That's pretty dope to just have them in the back pocket if you need to have it. So give it a name. What do you think about Clintapela about them getting a third big? I guess the general takeaway from people was that signals they're going to do a lot of double big. Do you guys want? I felt like I saw the perfect amount of it last year. I was always like, obviously I questioned it as everybody did because like it sounds crazy to play Steve

Adamson and Sengoon. And when it worked, I was like, okay, you proved me this is an awesome change up. Does this make you think they're going to do this as like, not the main thing, obviously, but like, is that going to be half a Sanguon's minutes? I read it. I forget who wrote the. article kind of pitching it as like a platoon backup center thing where like some games it's Steven Adams who's obviously had his injury history and some games is like a pala who's also

had his injury history so it's more just an enforcement that no matter what we'll have an opportunity to do that double big will it work I mean yeah Kevin running your team now you don't really need to grab half of your offensive misses anymore because Kevin around is going make so many shots and DFS in the corner helps a lot too yeah yeah yeah I'm going I'm going to I think like even even a side of from the KD um from the KD trade the Rockets to me had the best offseason they've they've won you know free agency I think that they've they've done a fantastic job and like them signing Klingkefella that was greedy it was it was very that's the only level of greed I'm standing for I love it

yeah they're broke they're standing 10 toes down on their strengths and they're getting even stronger I love it yeah and so I am I am I am happy about it just because I think for them they clearly are like most of doubling down on everything and and making sure that everybody on their team is extremely tall or extremely long and you have length absolutely everywhere. And so to have to have that, to have just as many options as possible, I'm rocking with it.

So I'm going ahead. Yeah, they're making sure every single team in the league. I got to take this all. It's killing me. I felt so insulated. When you asked me the question, it took me a second.

It legit took a minute to like process in between the helmet. I had no idea what you said. How does it be going through a head? Hell, bro. CTE without the hit. A multitude of CTE. That's crazy. Podcast-induced CTE.

You need help. I was like, where's the sound coming from? It's ridiculous. Take your start. Oh, my gosh. Are you, do you guys care about the fourth year

in the DFS deal? That's obviously why he let the Lakers the most part, I think, is, no, he's getting old. He's 32 right now. They wanted to commit two years to him because he's coming off an ankle injury, too, that requires surgery.

Don't know how that's going to look after, but, you know, you can only endure so many more losses of athleticism if it is that serious. does a fourth year scare you at all like that then you know that's kind of how they got him is by giving him more insurance no I don't think he probably won't be good in four years

realistically but I don't think you should care too much considering what your window is right now with Kevin if that was the sweetener to bring him onto the team so be it we'll deal with it once we get there yeah exactly and they have like so many picks to go ahead and offload that contract once that time comes if it's genuinely like that bad if he's that bad of a lawyer yeah and even

even without kD if you were still just rolling with the guy that you have then by the time like a man is at his prime age by the time tarry and jabari are there even if it is like one year of a bad contract you would be able to get off of that in the middle of the season it would it wouldn't be a complete hindrance so it's it's whatever do we all think the rockets are going to be like true contenders next year like yes can win the finals i do i think so okay then let's do a little game out of this i'm going to name an NBA team one's the rockets one's somebody else you tell me who's better next year so obviously we think the thunder can the thunder i don't get to do that one actually yeah

can the rockets be better than the thunder yes they can be i would bet on the thunder though yeah that that's an easy assumption but they're within striking distance now cleveland cavaliers who go to the other conference yes they they will be i think winning winning 64 games is tough yeah and so i do think like and even for it for the thunder the thunders they're really weird because they had a lot of poor poor injury luck but they still like got to 68 wins and so like i do think that why you can say that like the the winds are going to come down the injury is going to be better so whatever but I think the cabs are taking a step down and the Rockets won 50 games last year and just added KD with the way the Rockets play there's a lot less volatility they have

so many big bruising guys that's just missing from the Cavs so I got the Rockets yeah I kind of like the unknown of the Rockets so I'll go with them we just see the Cavs just failed two years in a row with this core even I think they're probably the best team out east if they matched up against Houston in a seven game series I would go Houston every year playoffs come around I'm telling myself, Garland's going to be healthy. Garland's going to be healthy. I promise. Just wait. I've lost every time. Yeah. Okay. What about the reloaded nuggets? Do you feel like the nuggets with depth is back

to being on the top? That's tough. I might go nuggets. Their depth is insane now. It's not even insane. It's just normal. It feels insane because Yokch's been in hell, though. It's regular. If Yokish has regular depth, it's crazy. I mean, it feels like it's the best it's ever been for Yokic. We'll talk about them next. We'll think about that. But it's definitely much, much better than last year.

I might lean towards the Denver Nuggets with this one. I'm going Houston. I'm going Houston. I think the defensive energy that they have on a night-to-night basis, that moves me so much, especially in a regular season context. So if we're just asking, like, who's going to get more wins? I do think that the Rockets are going to get more wins than the Nuggets next year. Okay.

In a playoff series, though, does that change it? In a playoff series, I think I would take Denver just because they have Yokich. But it would be one of those things where coming into the series, you say Denver has the best player but I do think Hughes has the better team and then you go from there but from a regular season perspective I'm going with the Rockets.

We're about the Miles Turner-led Milwaukee Bucks. Goodness. Is that team going to make the postseason? I mean, look at the East next year. Oh yeah, they don't make it. I might be able to make the playoffs next year. Okay. Let's talk about the team we just talked about.

The Denver Nuggets finally made a big swing that broke up their starting lineup. They traded Michael Porter Jr. for Cam Johnson. Signed Jonas Valchunas to be their backup big, who I've always hated on Jonas, but there's a backup big to Yokish, it's fine. And they brought Bruce Brown back in general, just revamped their entire bench unit, took out their biggest negative X factor. I don't know what you want to call it, the most inconsistent starter for a guy who is a similar profile to him and better in a lot of ways, I think, in Cam Johnson. Yeah. What do we grade it overall?

I give it an A plus. I wish I had like three A's that I just put up there, bro. This is the best, one of the best off seasons that I've seen from them over the course of the Nicole. Cole Yokich era trading for someone like Cam Johnson who's just like a tick better than MPJ in like almost every single way whether it be like defensively I think MPJ is a better rebounder yeah cool but when it comes to attacking closeouts getting buckets off on your own he's better at that too I like him a lot and then all the other ways that they improve the roster too Tim Hardway Jr. Yonis Valencia Brown is back too like Tim Marley I love this bro I love

this Kenny would you would you trade at Michael Gior was that like was that your idea what their answer was. Oh, absolutely. Of everybody else on the team, he was the one that was, this sounds rough because he was so important for them, but he was the most expendable. I mean, Yolkut, obviously, you're not trading him. Jamal Murray, you're not trading him. He's the best rob into the Batman. Gordon is nicknamed Mr. Nugget for a reason. Like, he is the city. And it was like Christian Brown, who continues to develop, or Michael Porter Jr., whose profile, we can somehow replicate with someone else. Exactly. And that's what you got in Cam Johnson. I think he's just a, he's a better player, but he is, my biggest complaint about Michael Porter Jr.

Throughout the course of his career is the tunnel vision. There's a reason why he ended up being the number one player in his class because he was so fucking unstoppable offensively why passed the ball. But as he had his surgeries and did with the back thing, that tunnel vision also became like his kryptonite. Yeah. And I think Cam Johnson does such a better job as a ball handling, which is, I don't think they're going to ask him to run a ton of stuff with Yokids, but like that's really an option now. And a better defensive player, he's smaller. the rebound thing may matter but i've really liked this trade a lot and i think cam the only knock i can have on cam for his fit with yokic is he does go through a lot of injuries yeah yeah he's

played less games in the last three years to michael porter junior which feels crazy to say allowed do you feel like a little bit of a net's embellishing there it could be i don't know i think i think that's more so a cam johnson type thing obviously it's what you're saying is there's some truth to that there might be a little bit yeah there's generally truth of that but that is something that does worry me about this trade, but because of the way they, like, were punished their depth. I feel okay about this. So I would do it. We talked a lot about Michael Ford Jr. trades that we all kind of agreed. You got something that I gave us probably him. Did you think it was going to be for someone that's like a better shining version of him? Or did you want to see

them like revamp their style? I, um, you know, Cam's like you're playing, your play style doesn't really change. Yeah. I, I think as long as you have Yokoji Murray, I would have liked it. Like, this is honestly the most ideal situation. I didn't think it was going to happen though. I thought that the route that they were going to go on, especially based on MPJ's value, I thought it was going to go, you know, like early in the season, you had a lot of talks about, like, are we bringing in Zach Levine and have somebody where you can get a completely different look than MPJ? But having Cam Johnson there is awesome. I do feel kind of bad for him for MPJ because he played, he also played through injury

the entire postseason. Yeah. And everyone's just like, oh, he's missing shots. He sucks. And like, Aaron Gordon, he played through injury as well. And, you know, he's missed a nuggett and he did everything. but I feel like throughout this last run that kind of gets overshadowed a little bit

for MPJ. You want to see hilarious too real quick? What happened? Along with the siding between the Warriors and Lakers, Al Horford is considering retirement. His option sucks so much shit that he might retire. Wait, the Warriors and Lakers suck?

What? Apparently, he's like, damn, man, this is the best they got. Warriors fans are so hungry to do anything. I'm not going to like, you let me get Al Hofer with that bianel exception, the Lakers fan? I'm going to talk ridiculous.

Hey, we just made Jerry Vanderbilt playable we put out hover at the five oh my gosh don't let me get out of this i see division i see division for one year yeah but um yeah with the with the npj and cam jons also the thing that aside from him like playing through injury it did frustrate me that we're in the first round we're in the second round and you have to get called out you know every other game from your coach about being locked in And for a guy who's been a part of this score for a long time, for a guy who's won a championship with them to still have concerns about, are you going to be able to just go out and play your role?

That upgrade from him to Cam Johnson, I do think is meaningful for them. And so I love this signing for them. And I think that the nuggets are, they're back to that place, especially because their depth is like normal now, they're back to that place where you can go into the season, say they can win the title and not feel crazy about it. Yeah, yeah. okay um i'm thinking about al horford on the warriors yeah could there be an older fucking team

for him to no it's just be the everybody in the team is 35 and older this is straight nursing facility geriatric hoops i kind of i've seen warriors fans that are like uh upset about that they want youth they like get get these olds out of here kind of fuck this you go all in on olds all your best players are old you're gonna be an old team at that point get the best old you can win with grit win with veteran knowledge win with being the smartest defensive team you can Man, getting a young player in that $5 million spot isn't going to change your life. So let's just double down on strength. It's available, yeah, that's for sure.

This team back in 2018 of Prime Al Horford, Jimmy Buller. Jesus, man. You're just signing French for Steph Curry. He doesn't want to hang out with 22-year-olds. Like, get adults in here. Okay. Let's go back to the Eastern Conference. The Atlanta Hawks sign Nick Hill Alexander Walker to a four-year deal, be a sign-in-trade.

They signed Luke Kinnar to a one-year deal, and they trade for Chris House, for Zingis, which already talked about. this is hilarious because we did a BR stream on the first day of free agency and we're talking about trade destinations for all these guys I mean free agency destinations we got to kill Alexander Walker and it was like a lot of the smoke says the pissings might get them they can open up the money it makes sense he came up here and said I've been on the hawks reddit yeah we have discovered that there is a trainer that works for the hawks don't leak his name please I won't think he's no need him to get nerfed okay every single time they sign a player that Mike I love you shout out to

you you changed my broke ass life for the first time and I don't know how bro the last time we had a decent offseason 2011 2012 when we signed joe johnson to like a six year 120 million dollar contract we've never had this type of luck hindsight like any type of strategy going into the offseason ever and for the first time yo like there's all eyes on us right now people are talking about how good of an off season we have people are talking about yo to hawks may be like a top three four seed and To you, it may not mean none. To you, it may not mean none, too.

But for me, it means everything, bro. It means everything. A plus. I'm happy. I'm amped. And I got expectations. The first time I was ever on the show, we had to jump, talk you down because you were really high on the Atlanta Hawks.

Yep. This time I'm not talking you down, brother. I share all the sentiment. This is a near perfect off season. When Joe Dumas, crazy-ass went to that podium and said, we called everybody between pick eight and 13 to pull off. that trade and the Atlanta Hawks are the one to say yes, I was so fucking jealous because my team at 12 said no to a future kick.

And since then, they've, of course, drafted Asa Nuo. They bring in to Keal-Ezenda Walker. They bring Luke Kinnard, who could play, could not play, don't matter just to have the type of shooting. This is the best Hawks team since 2021, brother. It is. Yeah, you said you have an expectation. What are those expectations?

What are you thinking this team's going to be next year? I think we're going to be better than 2021. And the last time that Trey Young had elite spacing, pretty much the only time in his career was 2021. His run finishing was at an all-time high. Overall efficiency was an all-time high. The Hawks were, I think, like, the second best three-point shooting team, at least by percentage, that year, too.

And following every single year after that, we've been like 18th, 17th, 22nd. You know, like we just didn't have any juice or to simply put it buckets on that team. And now we have players who are more than capable. I don't have to watch Skylar Mays or David Roddy or none of those players that like caliber at all. Like we have we legitimately have options and we have a game plan and we have strategy to the point to where like none of our guys are below 6'5 on a roster who will actually get mined. Tray's the only little guy.

And that's the best way to deploy that mechanism in this league where all you want, how we see just big ranging wings. Will he win? I don't know. but is the best process to go about it? Absolutely. Is this the most successful fighting through the Trey just our allegations we've seen in the past couple years? It is.

You were on, dude, the Trey Young in Atlanta fandom was on health, like life support for a couple months. It seemed like it was cooked. And now, I mean, as a Hawks fan, you've got to be the most hope you've had in forever, right? Like, there's ceiling here, there's floor here, there's support for Trey and his style of play. There's restatility to do things outside of his style of play

Make him move off the ball a little bit. Do things with Jalen Johnson growing to his own. We'll see what Risha Shay can do. You can run double big. You can run single big. You can run five out. You can run. It makes a both.

This is a team. This is a real like, if this was, if they had a top five player on their team, this would be like, oh, this team could win it all. Maybe they do. Shit, we'll see. Let's relax. I love Jalen Johnson too. But now, like, I'm happy that you mentioned top five player because obviously like all eyes are on us

when it comes to the whole Janus impendent. what's he going to do with this future conversation because we have we now have I think their 2026 first round pick or the best of whether it be like New Orleans or the Milwaukee Bucks and we have the ability to make we have the craziest while factor than NBA and things could swing our way let's say we have a disaster over season or whatever we still have so many tantalizing assets in J.on Johnson who could he's an all-star caliber level player at least for now at the stage of his career Zachary Ritch to say super solid rookie He had a great rookie year.

We have assets and we have flexibility and there's so many like ranges of things that could happen in our future and whatever it is, whether this integration of this Hawks team is successful or like it all falls in our faces. Christophezzanus is an expiring contract. Who cares, bro? Jaylon Johnson, he's on the steal of a contract just making $30 million over the next like three, four years or whatever the case may be. There is not a bad outcome or scenario and I love the process.

And I don't say our new GM and our new entire front office. cooking. What do you think the starting lineup is going to be? I think it's going to be Trey, Dyson, Zach, Jalen, and O'Eka, Kong. I remember I was watching our GM in his first actual press conference talk about how he wants to put a real focus on someone like O'Neika and really empower him because that's something that's been weird about his career over the last few years is that, yes, he hasn't been trusted fully to earn the starting keys. But also on top of that, too, I think we need to have a little bit more belief in him and just just like throw it all out there.

And this is the best possible scenario for him. So I think he's owning that five spot. Does Prisengue strike you as being okay to come off the bench? That's a very good question. He's in a weird spot of his career now with how the health stuff has been. Yeah, I think that, of course, they had to do it a little bit last season because of the health stuff. So maybe he's just a little bit more used to it than we probably assume. It's also an expiring year for him.

So I can see him being like, no, this is a chance for me to get some money. He'll be a right. We don't got to prioritize the wants and desires of KP, I can use expiring contract, but something to monitor. And like, I'm assuming Alexander Walker came here being okay with coming off the bench. He's like, money's money. Yeah. But something else, that's a quality player out the bench.

Like they have a lot of moving parts, which this is a good problem to have that that line like you said could change three times, but before the playoffs start to find exactly what fits. Lots of options here. Yeah, I think I've, the state of the East, it's best with me so much so far this summer because I look at basically everybody. And I'm like, yeah, why not you? And especially with the offseason that the Hawks have.

Like I tweeted the day after the finals, either the day up or the day after. And I had the Hawks in my final four for the East. And as this off season has gone on, I'm like, are the Hawks going to make the conference finals? And I really do think that right now. Not crazy. I do think that the Hawks have everything that you need in order to make a deeper in the East. And then with all the questions that you have about all the other teams, in terms of like how how much is Detroit going to going to improve and yes like you got the experience

and you're adding some pieces in free agency are you going to be ready to instantly flip the switch and make a deep run Cleveland you still have to show us the Knicks was last year their point differential for the Knicks was zero throughout the entire playoff run so can you actually like beat people and and you know show that you are actually a good team like the Hawks are right there in that mix right now I'm going I'm going for the Hawks to be a conference finalist okay wow do y'all think it will be crazy April 2026 we look at cleaning the glass

and it says Atlanta Hawks top 10 offense and top 10 defense I think that's realistic for this team right Yeah it would be like 8th and 8th Right yeah right one to see that just barely gets in there But I can see that I just only thing that prevents me from like Feeling that way completely is like the non-tray young minutes

I feel like they have Some creation problems based on But like Nicholza de Walker used to be a bucket Before he decided to go all defense but I don't think it's that crazy to think that they could be top 10 on both sides of the ball next season definitely obviously Jaylon Johnson has to be healthy

big swing factor that's the biggest that's the defensive swing factor I think it's healthy I think top 10 defenses not a lot of good defenses but I'd feel good betting on that KP is the offensive swing factor for sure that bet I feel less good about yeah yeah that's definitely fair to say Jalen Johnson is definitely like the biggest

swing factor when he comes to both of those things in my mind I feel strongly what you said when it comes to Christopps too. Jalen, a lot of the times, has masqueraded as a backup point guard. Due to his offensive limitations, of course, it's like not pretty at times because he doesn't have necessarily a great in-between game just yet. But if I look up April, 26, and we are top 10 in both of those things, that means Jaylon Johnson finally broke through, had an all-star season, and he had a fully healthy season

too, and that's the only possibility. He's going to be an all-star. this year he has no choice yeah well like look at the east well yeah like i think because because of the east but also last year he would have made it if he if he didn't get hurt like he was on track to to do that so but he was in him or siakum so i don't know if he would have made it but he was in the conversation for sure yeah so i i think he's definitely like on on that path so i'm i'm with that okay let's go to another team in the eastern conference that we all know and love we say a lot of good things about all the time this is like a fan favorite of NBA twitter we all love them the chicago bull

trade lonsa ball for i had a feeling that's what was coming the chicago bulls trade lonsa ball for isaacora straight up a pretty rare one for one player swap it's not rare for chicago you're right you're right it's rare for teams that make sense they also retain tray jones on three-year deal salute the trade jones i suppose but lonsel ball for isa coro how do you feel about that you know just tell me your thoughts um if we are grading it we are it's a d oh and it would be better if they weren't offered in first round pick at the deadline last season for Alonzo Ball. They had it.

The only thing they had to do was say Marcus Smart come to the team for a year and a half and they would have an additional first. So to trade him away for someone who was out of the rotation on his previous team, does suck. I had always been an Issa Coral optimist, though, so I'm like in the middle right here.

Obviously, he's not going to change the franchise. You're going to have to figure out who is playing, where he's playing. It could be a lot better. though. Yeah. It could be worse too. I also like Isaac O'Coro. I think, yeah, I like Isaac O'Coreau. I think you were like underrating him a little bit. I obviously. He's fallen out of the rotation. Last year, I think it was mostly, I think, offensively, obviously offensively. And I think a lot of it was just the style Kenny Ackison wants to play. He wanted more creationability there, wanted somebody who can

run be a more versatile shooter, not just stand the corner. So there's reasons he fell out. I think he is a good player, though. Yeah, I think that he knows his role very well. It's just a matter of will he go through a month when he's shooting 26% from three or when he go 38% from 3. And the pick they would have got last year, that was the Grizzies pick from this draft, right? Yes, so it ended up being Will Riley, who I watched a lot of Illinois. I don't know if he's like going to be that guy, but just to take the swing. Because at that point of time, when it got offered to them, the grisiesies were the two seats.

So that's probably why they're like, nah, we don't want this. And obviously, they fell all the way down to a playing team. Marcus Smart wouldn't be bad in the locker room for these young dudes either. At least, that's what I think. Who knows? I don't know Marcus Smart as a person. But, you know, defensive player to you are one. one year.

What you said about like, it could be a lot better. I feel like that's the slogan for the bullet. Generally, it can't get much worse. And I know it's just the, uh, I saw the comparison. I think you saw that graphic too of how they tore down their 20, 2021 team or 2020, whatever year it was. And it was just a bunch of bullshit, a bunch of players that don't matter and no picks. And I said this is the exact inverse of what Sam Pressy did.

Sold Sam Pressy had obviously better players. So people took that as like, we didn't have Russell Westbrook and Paul George, not the point. He sold absolute high, sold at the first possible moment that it made sense, got the most value, maximize picks and every single transaction they could to maximize versatility and the path you go down, they minimize versatility in the path they go down. They got one pick.

When we were going to the all-star break when we were at the two-seat, I remember those days very, very well. How long ago was that? Don't ask. A good old day? Yeah, it was a good old day. It's a 2021 season. Damn.

I remember I got some flak from Bulls' Twitter when I was like, I'm really excited that we're winning basketball games but this shit is not sustainable when you look at the teams we were beating versus not beating and there's no real ceiling for this thing. Obviously, we went on to go like with like one of 18 versus good teams down to stretch.

Obviously, Lonzo got injured. And for three years, I was asking like, you got to sell, you got to sell, you got to sell, you got to sell. And it seems like they just always wait to the very last possible second player on the last year of their deal player coming off a bad season after a career year and it's like now it's the time to sale i love that this graphic let's take a second moment of silence look at this crock of shit yeah man take it in the only first round pick here is their own pick it's so embarrassing no plus value whatsoever but hey we got our our point guard core of the now

in the future with josh giddie and trey jones yeah true jones shot 50% from three when he got to the bulls turn it up in the year before that he shot 29% turn it up hey j you want to have unsustainable three-point shooting the other one isn't too far off shout out to chris duarte man what happened you know i haven't heard his name forever probably because he went to the bulls the first two months of his NBA career was so great he was like is he going rookie at a year yeah it's like nah it's trash now the kevin herder the white chris duarte yeah dude the bulls have this fixation on young players that have been in the league for a lot of long time.

How old are you think Kevin Herder is? I mean, you probably know because you're in a day. I think he's like 26, 26, he's been in the league for seven years. Damn. So it's like, you know, he's there with young Trey Young.

Yeah. Isaac O'Corps was a part of 2020 draft. He's only 25 years old. Trey Jones has been the league since 2021. He's only 24 years old. All these dudes have experience as fucking backups. You want him in Chicago, baby. You call that experiences backup.

You call that low ceiling. You call that desperation. We call it upside over here. We call that untapped potential. All they need is a chance All they need is a platform The last asset we have is Kobe White Yeah

What's gonna happen there? Do you want to actually Not what's gonna happen Because who fucking knows of this regime What do you want to happen? Cobbite is my second favorite player in the league I know that might be crazy But it's on my favorite team

As you said I do want him trade it Okay I want him traded at the deadline Because he would have a little more value It will suck when it happens and it's for a meaningless bench player and no draft capital. But I think it just makes the most sense because he's on his last year for his deal.

I have no idea what his market looks like in 2026 where everybody has cap space and he is a 20 point per game score. So I think it makes more sense to trade him now. But we haven't trusted the front office to make good trades in the first place. So maybe I should just ride into the sunset with Kobe White being my favorite playing on my favorites. You know what's going to happen? Kobe White will be traded to play with Yonison and a group for Kyle Kuzma in a second round pick. Ew. We get a pick.

Oh, my God. Not a good one. Ew. Kyle Kuzan will flank Josh Giddy on transition. To replace Patrick Williams. If I ever have to root for Kyle Kuzma, I might call it, man. I don't call it.

It's over. Oh, man. All right, next team. Dallas Mavericks. They retain Kyrie Irving on a three-year extension, which we can talk about a little bit if you want. But most importantly, they signed Daniel Russell on a two-year deal to kind of be the stop gap between when Kyrie Irving comes back and then probably, you know,

he doesn't takes a second to get his legs under him. So really for this season, Danza Russell's for all intents of purposes of starting point guard. Do you guys like that temporary bandaid? It's fine. It's completely fine. Nice. I'm going to be. I think for their timeline or, and it may not even be a there for Nico's timeline to win right now.

The fact that like you have AD, you have flagged. And the idea of all of those two guys with a with a point guard, it obviously doesn't work without Kyrie, DeAngelo Russo is going to be okay. And if Kyrie comes back this season and is, what, decent, like 60% of himself, 70% of himself, that can get you to a spot where Nico will feel decent. And so I don't, I don't think that, like, the Delo is a terrible player. Like, I think, I think when he's playing for, for the Lakers and, like, LeBron's legacy is on the line. And he's going, and he's going one for nine in playoff games. Like, I think that's bad. But for where the maps are, I don't think it's.

a terrible option, especially considering that then would he love. You saw that press conference when Nico had the ho-ass smirk on his face talking about you're seeing the plan come together. I've never wanted to... I've never wanted to hit a grown man more than watching that post. You're right. God,

I hate you. No, he's not right. He's not right. He's lucky that he's right that he can say that in the very like a tangible way like, see we're good now. But it's like, you motherfucker. That's why. You just got to accept the fact that karma doesn't exist.

Good things happen to bad people all the time. Yeah, good things happen to bad people, man. But I like this. DeAngelo Russell has, you know, experience with Anthony Davis. They have a solid connection. The issue was, the main issue with Dilo and why to get traded was he couldn't play with Austin Reeves. There's no other small defensive guards walking through these doors, at least before

Kariq comes back. He's been playing with a great defensive talent. Deelow, his playmaking is kind of falling off, which might also just be because he played with LeBron and Austin Reeves, so they didn't need as much. He can still shoot. He can still space the floor. And they're going to play these big lineups where they're going to need to maximize my spacing because Anthony Davis insists on

playing on the perimeter and not being a center. So they're going to do that. They're going to have Cooper Flagg III, who I think will be a spacer, but he's a rookie. So you need all this thing you can at one and two. I like Delo there. I like him as a stopgap. I'll give it low key for the value. It's like an A. But because it's Delo and I can't give Delo

an A, I'll go B. You're right. The value is genuinely an A. This is like damn near the perfect situation, the best way to start out someone like Cooper Flagg's career. obviously like we all know they're all around just if his game is like he's super all around he can do stuff defensively he can be creative at the ball at times that was like his biggest improvement at duke he can make certain passes but you don't want to get like overwhelmed with

so many different levels of responsibilities and having someone who can harness some of that load and also space the floor as well at a decent rate bare minimum is great so i might honestly i think i was hating a little bit just because of the stink that was left in l I might give this an A because genuinely the value is there And you can't lose in this deal as well We forgot to talk with the Mavericks We're talking with the Rockets and all these great teens The Mavericks are fucking filthy

Yeah sadly I hate to report The good guys are winning Filthy The Axis of Evil is winning I don't know about filthy They're gonna be good Bro look at do you know how deep they are

Pete of Washington is like they're eighth Seventh man right now They could be top five defensively Pretty easy next season I would almost guarantee They're assuming Cooper Flag is who we think he is I would almost feel like it's a guarantee their top seven defensively.

Obviously, like, seating in the Western Conference, whatever, like, to predict that right now is stupid, but like, do you think we're going to end the season and you're going to think that they're one of the five best teams out West?

They could be number five directly in my mind. That's a very robust. The Kyrie Irving at all makes it complicated. Yeah. If he comes back and by playoff time, he is. Kyrie Irving? Yeah, I think so.

Like, for the playoff run, I anticipate when we do our last power rankings before the playoffs, I anticipate there'll be top five in the West. Okay. But they're about to get to do some early season lumps. But also with Dela, though,

I think they'll be fine on that side. Yeah, yeah, no, the answer is yes. I think we'll tell five in the West. They're one of the more, like, imposing teams in the Western Conference when it comes to straight size, AD, Daniel Gafford, Derek Glyathley, still there. You got PJ Washington, Nazi Marshall's not a small dude necessarily. Cooper Flag is there. They have so much size on this team and a certain play style that just is conducive to efficient

basketball. I guess the question is, them are the Clippers. That's the real conversation. Okay. Honestly, I hate to say, I think I was. I think even now I have to go with the clip. The clip was shocked me so much last year because I thought they were going to be so bad. And the fact that like James could play his style of basketball still not even be efficient.

And it still lead to a lot of wins. And the fact that Kauai was not 100% like this crazy dominant, you know, wing, but he just kind of fit into the team. And it was very, very steady. They've shown me multiple times. We're not going to be a bad regular season team. Okay. Maybe the answer is a Mazzar six or seventh. because we have the thunder we have the rockets with the nuggets so i think we all agree our locks

after that do we feel good about the warriors i've you saw last year probably a regular season you know they were they were like two in the western conference in the back half of the year i would go honestly i would go wolves oh wolves four or okay never mind the mad that's yeah like the middle of the west is very very tough to where you you get down the line and then that's that's where you look and somebody will get hurt like yeah and july luck is going to play a lot and even the lakers like there are still a good regular season team and the be better in some regular season ways with Aiton. So, yeah, maybe five is hard.

It's going to come down to health, but I won't be shocked if they're, like, the range is top five is in play. Okay. Yeah, that's fair. What do you guys feel about the Charlotte Hornets transferring their entire culture to the other side? They, that's crazy. They sign a one-year deal with Mason Plumley.

They trade for use of Nerkich. They trade for Pat Connitin. They draft Conca Nipple. They draft a couple other white rookies who's named them, I'm forgetting. William McNeely. McNeely and Ryan Cockbrenner Cockburner the cock and balls guy

What was the one with the ball? Yeah, cock and ball Yeah And then they traded with Mark Williams They traded They actually get Colin Second as well And they re-signed Tray Man

How do we feel about this clear We're not going to grade him individually So the general outlook Of changing this roster completely And getting a lot of white veterans In the door to make them professional Save for Caucasian There we go

But no it's really I think it might be The teams that are bad in a small market have to win around the edges took on a first round pick to get used of Nurkids trade him away got a second round pick for Collisex and that's a win two second round picks for Pat Connston that's a win I feel like they've just won small like these small wins not enough for us to feel like the hornet's going to do anything this season but somebody smaller deals may end up working and matter and down the line so because of that it's like

an a to a to B off season yeah I think it's I think it's it's devious to bring a lot of these guys in but the bad team not only small market teams but bad small market teams you grade them on a curve a lot and especially for a team like charlotte who took a really big swing in the draft last year with salon and it's looking like a miss to get somebody in the door like like con that feels like the floor is very very high that's that's fine i don't they're so so far gone yeah in whatever rebuild that they're at it's every year is stage one of the rebuild yeah so i just need you to get good players and then we can start thinking about how do people fit together are we moving in a certain direction just get just get some talent yeah you call it devious to me i i call like they're

keeping it real honest and they completely missed on every single thing imaginable when it comes to knowing how to set a baseline of rebuild now obviously like you can't control circumstances of brandy miller getting hurt and then the mellow ball going through the usual a melo ball injuries and all that but when it comes to just building a certain foundation knowing like you know there's no volatility when it comes to any of these guys. Any of these guys that they brought in have the explosive playstyle or anything like that. They relatively tend to be healthy.

I like it. I think I'll give them to be. I think that every time lamello ball gets injured, it stunts the growth of the other young guys on the team because they never really have like adequate backup guard play. Now they got Spencer Dinwiddie. Now they have Conno Sex who doesn't pass the day ball. But they have guys that like when the inevitable lamello ball injury happens.

It's like, okay, we're not going to be good. But at least we can continue to develop the younger guys because Demwitty is a worthy. passing and so on. And they have just, like, shooting and veterans. And, like, they like, uh, Nurkich, like that they train from because they like them, not just for salary reasons, which to each their own, right, yeah. But, you know, he's, it's an adult and they obviously needed bigs. But I'm more excited, like, they have concanipal in there who should be a great shooter.

Some of those other guys mentioned are snipers. They were, like, the definition of losing all the margins that even when Lamello was healthy, it was just a dreadful basketball opportunity where, like, he had to score 30. That's why he was gutting so hard. Like, it was just, it was just nonsense from a team building perspective for everybody. So I'm excited for that to at least look regular We're gonna get to August And we're gonna have our annual week

Where it's like They can make the play in Thank you I'm not I didn't last year man I've done three years in a row No I know And we're gonna Fuck this

So did he man We're gonna just keep talking ourselves We have a lot of the same sense With the hornets The Hawks and the fucking suns last night I was like you convinced me on the sons I was Maybe my biggest miss of my life

And for the first three weeks just like, let's fucking go. I did it. They were nine and one. I was like, yeah. And then I stopped watching by January. Yeah. That's nuts.

I allowed myself to believe in preseason basketball because I think, I don't know if I was talking or watching your videos where you were like, yeah, the main thing we can learn from preseason is obviously like how they're deploying their exes and O's. And I was like, you're right. Let me watch. I usually don't watch free season because I don't want to let myself watch fake basketball and make assumptions.

This year I watched and I was like, Mike Bootinhole is bad. They are cutting. Oh my God. Ryan Duncan't miss. I said they'd be the five, or did they say four. I said something berserk I think I had him as a two

well that was nuts I think I think I had him at two this past year no maybe two years ago this past year you did I I feel like I I feel like I got high because you talk about him

I let you convince me I let you convince me into thing and to put in the eye a lot of times we have conversations and I talk about things I got wrong

I die for your sins sometimes you take it further and you just don't talk about it you just don't talk about it but I'm over here like bro if everybody tracked everything i'm wrong all the time like i'm not going to talk about everything that i got wrong we're going to move on i'm going to charge it to the game the comments love to remind me when i'm wrong because i got to talk about it they let you go

i guess what i'm a double down the being wrong thing is so fun because you'll have people that will see one of your takes in october yeah and bookmark it for april and that shit is so cool to me i've been on your mind for nine months waiting to prove me wrong fuck you Yeah, the entire Raptors fan base hates me. Oh, I saw that. Man, the journey I went on this year with Oklahoma City haters and how confident I was from the beginning of last offseason that they can win the finals.

They called you a glazer too? Oh, they've been calling me for 12 months. Oh, okay. And I've tripled down a million times. They made me into a temporary OKC fan because they were hating so hard. And I, all year with confidence every time I did a ranking episode of power rankings, I was like, OKC's going to win the finals. I get ready.

And they hated me for it. Every single time they lost two games in a row in the playoffs, they swarmed me. They wanted to hang me from across. They hated me. Like, it was insane. After every other OKC game, or if we're getting ready to talk about OKC in general, whether it be before TD3 Tuesday at 6 p.m. Eastern Time tap in or some other instance. Like, Isaac's always coming here like, these thunder fans are being so mean to me.

These guys are being so mean. I'm like, bro, you're tripped. Like, what are you talking about? You're talking about some mean to me. What are you talking about right? And then I tweeted something positively about OKCC. I was like, yeah, this is a historic season. Same thing.

They're being mean to me. Me too. You know what our most dislike video of all time is now? What's the video when we celebrated the championship for them after when they won? We posted the video and we like applauded them. We were like, what a journey. This is so well done. Good for them.

We all feel so good about this. We said they'd win. They'd win. People were pissed at us. They wanted us to spend an hour being sad for Tyre's Halliburton. We only spent 10 minutes being sat for Tyre and then celebrated. It's enough time. And they were like, the insensitivity you showed to be happy.

God. How dare you? Yeah, man. next team i don't know if you have you talked about miling beasley yes no because i have gambling ads ah i just keep saying he gets investigated no other context hey this is brought to you by so-and-so i did find out an interesting today bro he's in debt to his barber too bro tony soprano is going to kill him god you're going to kill malik beasley to his barber dude the story is crazy he was

down to, like, his barber, his dentist, so much, so much collateral that he had putting up. And it's just like, this is a problem. Oh, me too, man. What's going on here? Everybody. Well, I bring this up to say, the pigeons, giving your haircuts on Laywoods. It's crazy, bro. That's a millionaire.

You dumbass. Yeah, bro, I got you on Monday. I say, as I say, Malik Beasley has not been re-signed and the pistons instead replacing him with Duncan Robinson. What are we grading the Duncan Robinson sign of trade? How does he keep getting away with getting so. much money. His first contract in Miami was like, okay, cool. He just came off a really good shit in a year. I mean,

when you're a team player, when you're the exact type of lock room presence, the glue guy. Let's not be naive here. Well, you're the type of guy you want to bring home to moms. When you're a sneaky athletic, when you play the game the right way, there's good things happen to you. Yeah. Yeah. In many meetings. Having, having,

having like that initial advantage and then coming from, and then coming from the heat where, where like, you are, presented as everybody here works hard everybody here plays the right way you get to double down on that oh you're a super white you're getting paved you come from that trade oh yeah we need you bad but yeah i didn't even think about that my am the miami he is like wakonda for sneaky white players oh this is awesome yes and so plus he's immediate he got he has a podcast still like he's really smart he could talk you know like no i but also like for the pissings like real talk it's good like

I think it's fine to, to, Malie Beasley shooting did a lot for them last year. And so obviously, like, there's the defense of it all with Duncan Robinson, but, like, being able to have some, some options offensively and some shooting is fine. And I think that that's good for them. And that's a Duncan Robinson conversation. What do you guys think about the Ty Jerome three-year deal to go to the Grizzlies? I thought it would be more expensive.

That's funny. It's like half of Ty Jerome, I think. That's crazy. Yeah, honestly, this is like one of the biggest deals. This is one of the biggest deals of the fucking free-age period. Thank God he played poorly in the playoffs for the Memphis Grizzlies

because they, the best backup point guard in the league for this much money? I think the only pushback I would have on that is that it was just for a season. True, true. And it was like ridiculous

floater range shooting. Like it could be unsustainable. Yeah. I'm fine taking that bet though for a time of year. That's crazy. I think the Cavs thought that his market would be better too

because they did the Lonzo trade before he even hit free agency thinking they were just going to lose them for $15 million a year. For what it's worth, I kind of like some of the grisly stuff that they've done, not enough for me to feel like they're in that conversation of those teams between the clippers and other teams,

but I still believe in KCP. I also believe in KCP. We have to since 2020. Yeah, I'm just an apology for a lot of guys in bad situations consistently. And I'm like, I don't know. I mean, one bad ear shooting. They got a favorite rookie.

and Cedric Howard who I would have loved to be there at number 12 but he got picked the number 11 I think Ty Jerome's gonna be good and you have an opportunity for him and Jod to play together

as we saw him be able to do that with Darry's Garland and his previous stop a lot of money that they gave out this offseason but it is what it is it's solid for I think Memphis for

like Memphis and Charlotte and even Cleveland are the three teams where you need a backup point guard because you know that your starting point guard is going to miss games. And we've talked about it so much about Giles availability and then being able to have

as many guards in that rotation as possible to keep that room solid is awesome. And so I think it's a great sign, especially for the value. So I'm going for that specific signet, I'll grade it in A. Overall, low risk, high reward. Like they have nothing to lose with the signing at all, high A.

We didn't mention it for the Grizzlies on the Cav side with Lonzo Ball. We didn't even talk about Lonzo. We're just laughing at the fucking bulls. Do you got, are they better for replacing Lonzo ball with Ty Jerome? Maybe he's better suited to play next to other guards, but they take a creation dip. And I feel like Ty Jerome's paint touches are pretty important for their style of offense in the regular season at least. Yeah, Lonzo doesn't dribble anymore.

At all. It's just catch a shoot or move the ball. So he's better than Isaac O'Coro was. But the biggest question is obviously going to be Lonzo's health. Yeah. But of the guys that would have been available for the spot, I do like it. but the lack of creation from the second unit now that, you know, you traded Keros Laverde away who did some of that for you

and you get rid of Tides of Rome will be a question mark. But because you can play units of Donva Mitchell by himself and units of Darius Garland by himself, you kind of only have, what, six minutes a game, four minutes a game where neither of them were on the court. I mean, that would be true. I would understand what you're saying. If you weren't ignoring the obvious part of this hall,

Darius gone as a Laker. You mean LeBron James is going to leave those venous? I'm like, where is he going? You mean LeBron James is going to leave those benchiness? For those four minutes a game, I think it's okay because I think now it's like it's everymobly time. Like now, now you've seen the offense, his game progress. And if you can feel good about four minutes of the straight every mobility time,

that is a win. Yeah. That's a win for them. They did prepare. It almost feels like they almost prepared for this moment because the Honey Hunter is there. And obviously, like, you don't want to rely on him for the entirety of the game or whatever the case may be. But he almost does feel like release valve to someone like Evan Moby because he just randomly decided to turn into a flamethrower, like, in the middle of this career. So I feel okay with the loss of the Tidrome creation because it only, like, empowers someone like DeAndre Hunter and Evan Moby, of course, even more.

Okay. What about Brooke Lopez to the Clippers? Is there any juice left there stylistically? not a bad fit. He's a slow player on the slow team. So that's probably the best you can hope for. I think he can give them something good this year.

But I don't know if I should feel confident in the state of his body. I would probably put it at a B most of because he's a better option as a backup center than Ben Simmons or Drew Eubanks. Fair enough. You're going to get 48 minutes probably of just like good rim protection between Zubots and Brooke Lopez.

I mean, one of the reasons why the bucks are probably okay with losing him is because you can't get them to play any perimeter defense at all but if you're saying we're going to play the super hot super drop heavy coverage and just protect the paint but lopez can still do that and he'll fight your ass if you talk to the start playing and i think that's cool fair enough okay uh not much to say there on the brook loophis department it's yeah brookelopez solid be what there is something to say about how do you guys feel about the pelicans moves specifically how do you feel about them getting lundog to pair up with jordan pool shout it to loon dog i love i like that signing i think if there's any

non-spacing big who can play with Ronald Williamson it's probably going to be someone in the same ilk as Kavana Looney because I think he obviously understands he has to pick his spots

he's been picking his spots throughout the entirety of a square probably the best place to pick your spot in Golden State but I like that because he does have like an ounce of passing to him which is important if you're not going to be able to shoot the ball

so that's great also he has chemistry with Jordan Pool too so that's like a solid move I give that a B but overall I feel very very on edge when it comes to their overall yeah so about the general state of the pelican because Lundah was leading with that but that plus pool

plus giving up two picks for Derek Queen who we like but that's obviously bad asset management obviously the Zion Williams Vidal is always looming the Trey Murphy was all apparently looming since he's linked to every rumor ever this offseason how do we feel about their just general outlet going in next year because it's weird

they gave the top job to someone who wasn't very good at that job previously because he was old and lost his touch and i was older with less touch yeah like he built a championship team which we can never take away from him but that was over 20 years ago now damn so it's like can he does he steal got it oh man don't got it no more and 15 years ago 15 years ago the league passed him by there's been a lot more passing since that a lot of shit has evolved in the last 15 years people there is a certain part of pelicans fandom that does not understand what the hell we're saying about that draft A trade. You could be the biggest Derek Queen fan in the world and still recognize, like you mentioned, that is poor asset management. Even if he turns out to be a star, he's not going to be a star this season, which means that that pick is probably going to be super valuable to the Atlanta Hawks. It just makes no sense to me. Even if you fully bought in on him being your guy, fucking draft them as seven then. It's not like you only had one pick. It's just crazy.

And they could probably trade up in many other ways. They didn't have to say, here's my unprotected, 23. 26. Give me top five or something. And it's not just their pick. It's the most favorable pick swap between them and the Bucks. Two poor situation. And the Bucs just had to stretch Damien Liller.

Paws. Hey, yo. My bad. My bad. But like, like they are in a crazy situation and they gave up, they gave it that pick. So I think if you separate that specific move from the rest of move, just like regular transactions, I think it's fine. I think it's okay.

And I think especially going out to get Jordan Poole, you get. get more youth than C.J. McCollum, which I kind of like for them because it kind of straightens out their timeline a little bit. Yeah. Because it gives you just a little bit more clarity and especially around Zion who always has these questions. If this season goes bad, I do think maybe going into next season, it'll probably be easier to move on from Jordan Pool. If you decide to like completely tear down and get a little bit more value than trading CJ at that point. I like what they did when it comes to the Jordan Pool acquisitions. but it's like going back to what Kenny said if you're going to double down and draft someone

like Jeremiah fear so I think he's going to be really good in this league he has all the potential in the world it just feels like again the process and the like what it takes to get your mental blocks going and grabbing two guys who at their peak can have like duplicative skill sets on the court just doesn't make any sense especially when in general your team at the front line Or overall, when it comes to your star player is weak on the defensive end. And then on top of that, too, like you have someone like Desonte Murray, who's, who knows how he's going to come back off of the Achilles rupture too. I, overall, I feel shaky.

I feel shaky. And it's a lot of high risk moves that don't necessarily, like, align or feel cohesive. I feel like the North Pelicans over the last few years through obviously different management. They always had a certain group of guys who could work together throughout these integrations, or there'd be like Lonzo Ball and Zion and B.I. And Drew was in that too. And then, of course, there was a moment in time where C.J. McCollum was there and B.I. and all that. This is the worst

possible. This is the worst group that Zons had around him throughout the entire time. And so I feel really bad about everything that's going on. But of course, I'm greedy. You spoke about greed. I'm greedy today, bro. I'm giving in an A because it just works in my favor. I find it hard to believe in this healing for some reason, more than I have in recent years. Maybe I just so many disaster years now, but... Believe in what ceiling?

The Pelicans. It's just like their best case scenario of being a four C like they were a couple years ago before. Oh, that's gone. Yeah, like, I don't know. Maybe it's because DeJonte Murray's there and injured and then the Ricky point guard

behind him. No, no. Yeah, Ricky point guard and Jordan Poole. Like, the guard room is weird. The wing room is tantalizing, but hard to start all your best players at once. Like, I'm just struggling to imagine like how this works out well.

Yeah, they have so much talent that I actually like. Well, you put it on the same roster. It's like, ugh. Yeah. like Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, Zion Williamson, Kavan Looney now. But all of those together, I just don't look at it and say like, yep, this team is about to be winning a first round series.

Yeah. It just feels weird to say. The problem is we've been saying this for years, but a couple years ago, they just like caught lighting in a bottle and had a top of the defense for no reason because Herb Jones was a god and they were a good team and we all had to shut the fuck up saying they should make all these trades. So we kind of forgot to, oh yeah, we did think we hate this team a couple years ago. They just proved this wrong.

Now I'm just back to hating the construction. Yeah, I feel so sorry for this team, man, but also I feel so happy. I also found out to that Troy Weaver is a part of that front office again, too. And I'm like, damn, right, like, those are your decision makers. Apparently he was the one making the call. Jeez. New York Knicks signed Jordan Clarkson and Gershawne Yabuselli. Had we feel about the replenishment of the Knicks bench, plus they hire Mike Brown.

I guess we talk about that a little, but we haven't talked about that yet. Okay, naturally. It's a, it's a, all right. Only reason why. We got some dogs on the squad. And I think that throughout the year, especially like early on, one of the things that you saw that honestly was missing from like this year's team as opposed to two years team, two years ago whenever they made the run, made the run, lost in the second round, whatever. But like that team felt like they had this like grit about them. They were very, you know, heavy on the offensive class.

And that wasn't necessarily there. There were parts in the playoff run where it felt like that was coming back. but it also felt like they would things were just hard unnecessarily i i do just think like the overall attitude of clarkson and and uh uh uh gershant like i like i like both of them the attitude of clarkson i like i like what do you mean by the attitude of car him grandpa i like the dog he in terms of a couple videos and you were like yeah that's a dog boy i a honor he's had a lot of boy i audits in his life hell yeah now am i nervous about the fact that like can him brunton and cat all play on on the court at the same time because we're just

going to get pieced up probably not am i am i nervous about a lot of that yes but i do think that just having also bench bench players that mike brown will play good stuff good start do you feel good about gershahn sliding into the role that ogy leaves when they trade ogy mitcher robinson for lebrun this guy that's what i'm saying like we can't go 10 minutes about this No, but do you like Gershon? You didn't mention him. I care about him more than Jordan Clarkson. Yeah, I think he's fine.

Like, he's not like lockdown, but he's big. He's strong, you know? So like, I think just having, having that size that allows him to just be like competent is okay. And so it's not bad. He can run with Kat or he can run with Mitch Robinson. So it's kind of rare. I like it. On my show, I kind of have to play the role of the Nick Hater.

So I was looking through E's trying to look for the afternoon. But it was a good off season, all things considered, not a lot of money, not a lot of roster spots to really feel. Gershont's really good. And Jordan Clarkson might not be really good anymore, but it's worth a swing for a minimum contract for a team that lack creation outside of Jalen Bronson. And Mike Brown is cool. Yeah, how do you feel about that?

Because people are obviously shitting on them for hiring a similar, like, age and like, I, the King's been around for a while. The King's been a lot of their top guys, a lot of minutes last year, too. Yeah. You know, he ain't Tom Thibito, but damn, he's a closest thing. Yeah, another guy who's been around for a while and it has a lot of, like, surface-level similarities to Tom. I kind of think they just needed to get rid of Tom

no matter what and have a different offensive-minded guy in there and Mike is an offensive-minded guy I think he has in that time with the Warriors famously he's talked about a lot learned a lot about modern NBA offensive principles that Tom clearly was behind the eight ball on so that's good but would you guys have rather

seen them do like a first-time coach like the son's hired do you want to see him go to you throw or are you happy with like an offensive-minded old guy I'm okay with an old guy I think this window that the Knicks have right now it's a with with brunton and cat there there already is a lot of experimenting and a lot of

question just in terms of can these two guys book in your team when both of them are bad defenders and so reaching for a coach or giving a coach a first a first time job that seems like another unknown that i'm not necessarily in the like i don't really want to do that this year especially with i'm going to say this all offseason with how wide open the east is It feels like you have a moment. I think that playing it's safe. Because that's what it is. It is a safe higher,

and I'm okay with that. I think it's fine doing that rather than taking a massive swing and then now you have a coaching problem on top of a structural problem with Brunton and Kat. I would have really loved Don Staley, though. I think that would have been fucking great.

She would have been crazy. I don't know anything about her like basketball mind. I would have loved the PR of it. It would have been cool as fun to see. I don't know much about a basketball on mine either, by the way. It's just be cool. I think it would be cool because she's so

she feels intense. Expressive on the sidelines. And I feel like in the NBA, we don't really get that as much as like soccer or anything like that. And I want to bring back the fucking crazy coaches. The only thing that I had questions about with Don is like she can wear the Louis sweatsuits at

South Carolina. I don't know what the rules are right now. Like if, like would she be able to have the Louis sweatsuit on the, on the sideline? And all the coaches have to wear the same. thing is the whole coaching staff going to just be fitted out

I don't know these are the conversation you had yeah culture changes that you guys need as an organization could you imagine I'm thinking about it now because I think about all the city jerseys Don Staley in a kid's sweatsuit

oh my god that's going to be the hardest that would have been one of the hardest pictures of the season innovation how do we feel about the Minnesota Timberwolves and their moves to let Nikola Alexander walk re-sign

Nausebree for about, was it $25 million a year, 27, I don't know, I pulled up, and retain Julius Randolph for three years, which is kind of, I think this was the expected route after we saw what we saw in the playoffs. Was it smart? That's a, that's a good deal for Julius Randall. Yeah, I agree. But, you know, some people out there, which us a year ago would have said, we just don't want Julius Randall on this year.

And guess what? We said two years ago, we're like, yeah, I don't think Kat and Gobert and boy. And they've proven us wrong every single time. And so I do think coming into this season, like that's, that's, that's, you know, fair if you don't get julius randall what's the alternative yeah the killer's under walker i don't i don't know i'm not i'm not i'm not a hundred percent i think i think i'll give it a b plus i think it's the right choice yeah i don't know letting randle walk right now and resigning uh gnaw is 100 like the best thing honestly like i'm in between this and between

b and c because it by letting go and not like they're 100 percent believing in their young core they're specifically young core i mean rob dillingham and that's the big thing that they made what and shannon yeah last year two years ago i and shannon yes as well i think shan is a lot a lot more safer for a big because he was a older rookie and he just his game just feels more older than anthony alex damn i think he is he was in illinois for a minute yeah that's young hell man it's ridiculously young yeah i like i like it overall now that i'm talking through this exercise but it does scare me a little bit knowing that the

you didn't necessarily get better I will say that is scary and the better that you can get just 100% relies on these rookies it's scary but also like your timeline you're not necessarily in a rush so I give it a B I'm not mad at it yeah what you're saying I agree with

you didn't get better and teams around you added pieces and that's always going to be scary but the buy-in to the young guys I mean they traded a future first round pick to get Rob last off season so it's really time to see him play a little bit. Terrence Shannon gave us a game in the postseason. Now it's time for him to step up.

Even guys like Jalen Clark, who played a little bit when they had some injury stuff around the All-Star Break last year, they're going to be relied on a lot. And it's a scary thing, but it also could be a blessing because it makes things easier on your books, if you can say, like, these guys on rookie scales are good enough to play right now, and then we figure the rest out. But Timberts fans are hurting right now because they haven't done, like, anything other than retain the two guys. Yeah, it is interesting because going out and trading for trading for a go bear and then trading cat in back-to-back off seasons, like you look at it and on paper, those moves don't really make sense.

And then you think about it and like, what would the wolves logic be? It's like, we just believe Ant is that guy. Yeah. I think them like kind of standing pat, this is one of the first more tangible votes of confidence that they have in it where you really are like, oh, how are the wolves going to get better? and it's going to get better and it is really putting a lot of that on him and seeing seeing where he failed in the in the postseason seeing seeing where he could have improved in in last year's regular season and then saying this is now on you this is kind of going to be the team around you this is where you're going to have to improve at I think that

that that's one of the biggest statements that I feel comes from the the wolves not necessarily going out and making a million trillion moves yeah yeah okay this is serious don't laugh how do you feel long term about the spurs adding luke cornet to a four-year deal Shout to look right. This is dope as hell. Yo, this was huge. This was huge. He just changed his family's life forever.

This was huge. Very underrated, extremely underrated. It's kind of awesome. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Yo, they were, you know, Bizmaq. Bialma was the backup center going into this year. Their backup center was so bad that in the past three months when we talked about them

and that their future moves, I keep forgetting they don't have Zad Collins anymore. I've said twice. That's because they send them to oblivion. I know. They killed the man. But is he a bull? Yes, he's a bull. Oh, shit, okay.

Ablibing. Gotcha. Okay, got to make sense. The backup center room didn't exist. This is just cool. It's just going to look awesome to see this gigantic motherfucker next to Wembe in two big lineups. Like, Wembe is such a rare player for roster building and the amount of versatile things they can do, just having him next to someone that's gigantic.

And if they make him start shooting again, which you know he has, that's in his back somewhere. It's been shoved down. It's been taught out of him, but it's somewhere in there. If you can get the two biggest players in the NBA, just two threes. That's ridiculous. Which is crazy that it was that was taught out of him and he played for the Celtics. Like that's the one team you expect them to shoot. It's really weird.

I'm a set screens and contest shots from the post when it's important. I really wanted them to get common motherwash for like this same reason. So they didn't get that. I'm very happy with what they ended up with. Cardin Brian is an awesome pick. So to get like an older lower ceiling version of that, I like this a lot. They move me. Yeah.

It's a really good signet, man. I am. People probably think we're joking because it's the backup center. of the Celtics but like the guy's really good he's cool and he can play what 15 18 minutes a game and just not do anything wrong and that's enough for this spurs he can play that 12 minutes and wemby doesn't play they don't even have to play together oh seriously i'm i'm trying to i'm like we're all like really big wimby fans and like the ascension is happening so every like trying to page yourself on like how good are they going to be are they going to make are they

going to take like this massive leap and it is a really big hole that that they filled so like can they get to seven can they can they get to six like And that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't, I don't know, I don't know if they, if they can do it. Listen, I'm just hearing it's cool. I'm not saying he's going to make it in the top five. Yeah. Now you're, but like, you're actually going to get a full offseason.

Yeah. With Fox and Winby and them having all of that. And then you add improvement from Stefan Castle. You have stability at the coaching position where last year you didn't really have that just because of the entire pop situation. And now you know going into the year, this is going to be our coach. This is how we're going to operate. Like, it, it feels.

a lot better in San Antonio now than he did last year. So there are the tangible things that make me think that you can, for real, improve. Yeah. The Spurs' conversation when it comes to projecting how good they're going to be next year does feel super webby because there isn't a lot of concrete just yet. Like, I love Carter Bryant, and I think he's going to be really, really damn good. But it's hard to project them based off of Carter, Brian, Devacel, what Stefan Castle is going to turn into now that he's completely like pushed out of his role last year. It's just so hard to predict how good they're going to be. But in general, they did take another good step organically, which is what they're known to do.

And I don't see any way where, like, they can receive anything less than A. What percent of their goal is development versus winning games, do y'all think now? I think it still leans more development than winning games. And I think that them drafting Dylan Harper shows that. I would say like 6040 I was about to say the same thing That's fair

Yeah I think it might be more winning Might be 6040 winning I think you can do both So like I'm not saying it's 100% winning They do have Deer and Fox Which like he's not the top player That you have to be like We're on Deerance timeline

But you have two all stars It's pretty hard to not prioritize winning When you have two all stars Like practically So I mean I think tangible All that means is like They'll close games with veterans Instead of closing games

A young guys sometimes And like maybe at the deadline The Trade for a veteran in when maybe they wouldn't did an Xbox so like it makes very minusical differences yeah but i think it's pretty hard to not prioritize winning when you have those level of guys but then also it's weird and it's hard to envision okay you have two all-star players and you're going to go ahead go ahead and like draft a rookie and focus on developing him to like well he's gonna play the two and they're gonna say that they do these two guys and play together for the next five years if he's

gonna hope that if that's their hope i hope it works out obviously but i don't know if it genuinely will because of the up and down shooting that both of their i guess two starting have had. Yeah, yeah. No, he's weird for sure. Either he's a starting shooting guard and they're just like kicking Stefan Castle out their priorities or eventually it'll lead to some kind of mix-up trade, which I eventually want these guys to get traded, whether it's two years from now in Fox is the odd man out or

it's a year from now and they trade Castle for a wing. Like, I don't know. Something's probably going to happen eventually, but I think they have a vision of all three guys fitting just fine together. If I was Stefan Castile, I'd be pissed himself. Because all pre-drafts you was like, I can play point guard. I want to play point guard And in the span of four months

They've traded for one And drafted for one Get rid of his speed power forward buddy Exactly They sold them a dream Right. To shout back to versatility They brought in Chris Paul

Right after the draft Oh yeah So he's never had an opportunity And Chris Paul happened to have The most The most games played Of his entire career One game did I get to play

Full-time point guard Because Chris Paul Odass is it Where do he wants to Oh yeah He wants to be a starter He wants to be a starter So there's only a few places

He can go Shanghai Tel Aviv Yeah No I want him to go to where This is going to sound crazy To where he can be with his family So that's one of the L.A. teams

I don't know if you would want him I don't Yeah But back up to James Hardin That makes sense Yeah, that makes a lot of sense Get that jersey retire while you do Yeah

Same thing with Damien Lloyd Does he deserve to get his jersey retired there? Whoa, whoa, whoa Whoa, whoa, no, just ask any question Absolutely he deserves I'm going to need two NBA players You tell me who deserves you get to your people. No, definitely, though.

I think he definitely does because before him, the Clippers were the most irrelevant team in all the basketball. And Blake Griffin kind of did that. And he had a game winner in a game seven, which not a lot of people have done before. Over Tim Duncan, bad quad. That's true.

He's crying in the post because he know he won't be able to play in the next series, but damn he got his boys over the first round. Come on, man. That's my goat. This is good stand-um. That shit does not matter for Jersey retirement, but it is cool.

And nobody will say it's not cool. So that is a good thing to ring up. For a jersey retirement, don't give a fuck. But it's awesome for Chris Paul's legacy. All right, man, that's pretty much every move, I think, unless you forgot any, anything you want to get out for chess about the Raptors? And then the McSendee Yacopoda. Oh, he got a bag, man.

I was so shocked when I saw that happen. Not a bad deal, but the team's weird. The team is very weird. So much overlapping talent. And happen at the worst time, too. Brandon Ingrams played zero minutes. They said, here you go. here's two hundred million dollars okay i'm exactly it was 200 but damn it feels like too

yeah so why did they fire messiah after the draft do you think they saw him pick one more wing and they were like that didn't that does it i read that he didn't even make that decision by wester did so it didn't matter grand scheme he kind of just wanted to be in the room when it happened so you think it was like they did it like as a favor to him he wanted to be there for one last draft yeah it is the timing i don't think it would ever make sense to anybody outside of him but he was just on tv this morning do he leave or did he fired he got fire i googled it while Okay. Okay. There you go. Yeah, I feel like I haven't seen enough reporting on it to know why it happened when it happened, but strange optics all around. Which is that that's how you described the Raptors past year. Strange optics all around. None of it is brain dead. I don't think they're like, I'm not going to talk about them and what I'm talking about Joe Dumars or I'm talking about the Nets in their job class where I'm like, what are you even doing? Like, are you professionals? Like this is insane that a group of men said this is the move. I don't feel that way about anything the Raptors did. Yeah, they come. But it's all just weird. They have to pay a premium to keep people around. Yeah. Because many people don't want to play in Toronto.

So because of that, I understand why all of their deals feel like way more than market value. But also, they're going to have one of the, what, I looked it up like two days ago when I was beefing with Raptors fans. I think it's either the fifth or sixth most expensive start a lineup in basketball. Yeah. And when they go win 40 games? And like, again, it's all weird, but not stupid.

They can get 40. They can get 40. Yeah. It all just comes down in your mind quickly to me. And the Easter conference is wide open. So it might be more than 42. Correct. Listen, we're looking at the 17th seat right now.

All right. Low key. Go down the list. I actually do like Ingram and Scotty. I feel like I've been one of the few apologists of that. I've always said I want Scotty to be the Pippin to somebody's Jordan. Not to say around Ingram as anybody's Jordan, but he's an on ball score. And I think Scotty needs that next to him.

I think he'll look great playing off with somebody that can be the main bucket getter. I've always wanted to play with Anthony Edwards. Ingram is not that, but it's, you know, you see the vision. I like the ideology of that. does definitely make sense. So I like that part of it. I just wish Emmanuel Quickly had proved that he's worth the money. That's really, if Emmanuel Cookie was really good right now, it would all make a lot more sense.

Like, that's the one miss that's really hurting, I think. Yeah. I think that if they trade that contract, it's at a loss. Like it's not a valuable asset at all. I need that in my life. I need to not prove something and you can get $175 million. Like that's crazy. Who do you guys think had the best and worst free agency?

The worst would probably be. maybe the Pacers damn optically going to a game seven in the finals and then losing your longest tenure player for nothing I understand it in a sense right because Tyrese is not going to play next season but to tell your fans hey we were one game away

and we're still not going to pay the luxury tax that fucking sucks for the fan base Nets they have all the money in the world to do smart things with and their best thing was getting a Michael Ford Jr they got to pick for him so it's not horrible didn't do much else with that I can't get the stink of the draft out of my mind

we were so like just like lukewarm on the nets all year did you guys do a draft stream we did yeah we did and then a couple days before the draft we were like yo they just got a fifth pick are they cooking are they proving us wrong and then they proceeded to prove it was right like a day later and just have like the worst draft haul not i mean if these guys could be anything i'm not going to pretend i i know enough but on paper it was a crazy way to go about it i think drafting three point guards in the first round who are similar archetypes yeah it's crazy yeah it's logically doesn't make a lot of sense now all you need is one maybe two of them to hit and done to the logic matters so i'm not

i didn't give it like an f but as close as i can do to giving it an f when you have that many picks i felt that way so combining that with the free agency i feel like if i was a net span i would have sold myself a dream of recamping my team and i just got a bunch of bullshit yeah if we're including the draft the pelicans have the words i like that trade is idiotic on so many levels and that's gonna that's gonna that's gonna stay in the entire offseason and the entire season for me Fair. I think one of the best low-key under-talked about ones are the Orlando Magic overall since the off-season started. Obviously, they made the dozen bane move.

They did pretty well in the draft with selecting Jason Richardson. And then they went ahead and gave Tyler or Tyos Jones it back, too. And he's a good 10-year vet who fits a glove and what they need. So small W. I think Tyson's kind of suck now. I'm kind of worried. He can shoot, though. He can shoot.

You've been saying. You've been saying, he was going to shoot. Not in any way that matters. It's a fake-ass percentage of it. For Orlando, he can shoot. No, he cannot. He can shoot for anybody. I thought that was weird because I feel like they made a point that they haven't traded for guys like Anthony Simons and all the other small guards are mocked to them because they don't want to play any bad defenders.

They sound like the worst defender I saw last year. Yeah. I think that in the context of him being a backup, I like him more. Last year, fucking sucked as a start. Oh, my goodness. I got a nasty taste my mouth. Colin Gillespie ended up starting over him in some games towards the end of the season, which is like, that lets you notice, you're probably not a start in his league. But the last time he was a backup.

Yeah. Like Memphis was pretty good with him. So I think that's probably what they're looking at. I hate it mostly because Jace Richardson, I'd rather just play him. Yeah. Because I like Jason a lot. And now he's going to be behind sucks, black, and Tyos Jones. We may never see him play.

Okay. That's understandable. And with that being said, that's our grades for every, important free agency signing. Get the ones that are tiny. Sorry, we didn't great calling Gil SB. There's other podcasts for that. I can do that now. Dunked on got you.

there you go he's got you can he's got you got me go fuck and what that being said we're on the tic-tok time crying ears it's time to rejoice i don't have no crayons near me but guess what i got a football on my hand i just gave you because of my bad you did get him shaking baby syndrome i need you for a job there's a bruise on his brain soft spot welcome to TikTok time. Today we're going to begin with something a little bit different.

The season's over, free agency is behind us. We said this after the finals ended, but now after the real finals ended, after transaction season ended, we can say goodbye to the 2024, 2025 season. And by doing that,

we are going to react to the funniest moments of the season. Go through it. We're going to rate them all 1 to 10, get a feel for what was actually the cream of the crop, the funniest things that happened this year. You play 82 games with 30 teams?

There's a lot to pick them. There's a lot of foolishness in the league. And this is famously the funniest league in American sports. First off, we have LeBron and Stephen A. Smith beefing, which led to an on-court confrontation and Stephen A. Smith had a whole media rollout for like three weeks afterwards. He had the audacity to say he would have swung on LeBron James. Listen, listen, listen. Give him credit, right? You've got to give him context. He then said immediately after, LeBron would have beat him down.

He did acknowledge that, but he said, I am a man. I do have to stand up for myself. I'm going to give him that. I think it was a 10 if we're rating it until a week later and they were still talking about it, then it became a two. Too much. It's just too much, too much. And I understand it.

If the best player of all time was talking shit to me, I try to milk it as well. But he did it just too much. And it was a lot of what it should have cut us. He was trying to build his own myth a little bit. He was trying to make himself an urban legend, the guy that went face of face with LeBron James. Wait, do you know how scary that is? Like, LeBron towering over you?

He's like 6, 9, 610, 250. Midgame. Like, this is in between, in between quarters. Hey, man. If these two would have a headbutt, earthquake. Rocking the arena. Listen, if we're going straight off of headbutts, Stephen A's, he's warping his ass.

Oh, my goodness. He's knocking them out. Noggin power for knocking power. If it's like, yeah, if it's like two goats, just boom, boom, boom. I'm taking Stephen A. he's the heavyweight champion of the world I'm doing that I'm giving this a 10 this is hilarious I hope this is

remembered in history of Stephen A. Smith lore What's going to have to be because he's going to bring it up He's going to make sure of it Okay next one La Mello Ball being scared by this clown It was a video film For I'm assuming the Hornet Socials And in this they had this clown

Here that surprised him and he reacted quite foolishly Dude this is hilarious This is funny because this is exactly what my dad was talking about when he said he's a lamella ball cannot date his daughter because he jumps too high when he gets scared and this is the video this video has impacted my family I'm going to lie this is a song 8 out of 10 this is a 10 out of 10 man I'm not going to lie I now if I was a fan of this child importance it would be scary to know that my star player

can get moved this this much by a figure like this but also at the same time he did fight back he fought back his arm like so long dude i thought that was a real person oh i did too smacked yeah i thought it was a real person this second oh yeah i'll give us a solid eight it's not stephen a smith level but it's close yeah next one we got brawny young to a fan your chain fake 10 out of 10 again i love this if there's anything an NBA player can do it can he can be little he can be little guys by just calling us trail broke

he's not the first player to do it the editors will make the better though exactly is this gonna be the best meme of his career do you think he'll ever should pass this I don't know listen he's a funny guy but he is LeBron's son and LeBron is one of the most memeable players

we've ever seen if he has that gene this is a generational talent at the start of his career scratching the surface This is Wemby game five We're in his first 30 point game Dude the glare afterwards too Just like That what you want to say

Yeah What you're going to say to that man Damn, bro What are we rating this Kenny? It's got to be a 10 It's got to be a 10 man Because he made sure To make sure that the person

He said it to Recognizing his stalker to Yeah Did you get that? Did you get that? Okay cool Your chain fake The elongated eye contact

What can you even say back to that? To a millionaire ball player Whose dad is LeBron No, it's not It's powerful, man That's great, shout out, Brian A men Thompson, scuffling with Tyler Hero Slamming him to the ground

I never even thought this was funny I just said, this is just pure assault No facts Adam Shepard to him, assault Another range that Tyler Hero was able to cover was impressive to me. The range,

getting thrown super far? Yeah. He got ragdolled, bro. It was crazy. My favorite moment is after he gets ragdolled and everybody's coming to his defense,

then he's the tough guy. He's like, yeah, hold me back now. Do that shit again? Shout out of the men Thompson, man. Also a player who I think will have lots of funny moments throughout his career.

This is scratching the surface. So serious. So locked in all the time and it's great. know he was low-key like a hot head. I don't know if he knew that until this moment. This is awoken a lot of people. But amazing.

Shout out Ragdolin. Which sounds like a pause, it's not. We got Janice shimmying on Malik Beasley. Hitting him with his own medicine. Obviously, Malik Beasley was shimming on people all year, shimmied on the bucks, and then he returned the favor,

and Malik Beasley did not like it. The block shot before that is insane. Yeah. I understand. They have chemistry because they played just a year or two years prior to it. that but man this is so disrespectful twerking right in front of me after you block my shot

that's my move what the hell I can't get nothing I don't think that the tweet is attached to was funnier than the actual moment when Janus stopped Malik Beezing for him in this part he was pressed the funniest part too was after this they got to the

regional line a little later and then when Janus was like he is not tough that was and Kay just laughed Oh, because Kay was like, yeah, I remember. Kane was like, hey, man, I don't know you told like that, man. This is a great interaction overall, like the two good moments in one. Yeah.

Every year, Yannis has some good placements on this list. Oh, yeah. This is the duality. Do not let post-season press conferences where Yannis is like, I'm just so humble, right? Success is all I care about steps to success. This guy is a douchebag. He is not humble at all.

He's dancing and streaming. in his face. Why are you dorking in Malik Beasley's face? Dorking. And I love him for it. I hope he can tend to be mean and pretend he's not mean. It's hilarious. Yeah. I love it. I'm giving this a 10.

No, man. No, man. You fake. It rubs you the wrong way. Yeah, I like it. He can't get groceries for the week because of that, man. Okay, here's a good one. Let's go to the league leader in aura farming. We got Shay telling his teammates to shut up. And then reacting, being like, ooh, that was. stuff.

This is the Jalen Williams meme, bro. This is the greatest thing that he's done. I can't even say that great thing he's done in the career,

but it's one of the greatest things on the internet that he's provided. I think it'll forever be remembered. I think that it's going to be a clip,

a gift that's going to get used forever. Yeah. With the edit on top of it. Did you feel Shays aura in this one? It was a tangible? I'm not an aura.

Yeah, shut up, shut up. I ain't like it. You don't like it. You want to see better better leadership? Yeah. He's live in.

And he says, hey, it's my phone. It's my phone. Because who are you talking to? We are on national TV. We are beers. Don't talk to me like that. I am not your son. Can we talk to you, J-Dub?

Yeah. Yeah. He's talking to J-Dubb. Aaron Wiggins' reaction to. Aaron Wiggins looks like he's smitten. But his hand is wrong. He's like, oh. Well, are we giving this a lower grade for lack of leadership?

Yeah. Yeah. Lack of leadership. MVP's don't do this. You got to carry. It's not my MVP. Yoakish never? Never.

Why is that? He will condemn them in the locker room, bro. He might just hit you. Like, he might break your fucking neck and permanently alter the course of your career. If you are talking into yokeachers, he's like, speak, God. Stop that. We got Stephen A. Smith playing solitaire during a game. Dude, this is a 10 out of 10.

It is so insane that it came out and he was like, well, this was a timeout. and then someone else at another angle of the game actually happening. And then he ignored it after that. But he continues to double down on the fact that this is okay to do during the fucking NBA finals. That's nuts.

It's hilarious because you cannot tell him that he's wrong in this. About anything. But anything. It's funny because like you said, it's a clear lot. We have video. In 4K, we have the game going on.

And you said it's a timeout. And you said it's a timeout. you're halfway through the game like there's a there's so many cards already played unless he's going for like a world record in solitaire he's been stuck on that game for five minutes and you're missing free throws you're missing picking rolls there's so many cards you know actions are being made and you're locked in oh i would find it funny if it wasn't so so so actual problem yeah no it's representative of so much actual issues oh but it is hilarious though what an unsurious guy

LeBron fake being hurt and peeking at the camera seeing who's noticing this might be the moment of the year for me really this might this might be it faking being hurt again you are clearly lying like yo what are you doing oh my god and like the way it's just like

we know he does this this is his bag we finally caught him yeah they're looking they call it I hear no it's hilarious he said he just leave he said wow this is a number one move for him Westbrook and someone like Kyle Arii as well

it's so random to lay down on the ground for like five ten more seconds and hold your face really hard I know what the best part is he's always touching the top of his fucking head looking for blood you know how hard you think you hit to crack the top of your head to pluck him out that is unpractical it's why he's my goat man

MJ may have had him in the space gym series but MJ never acted this hard before exactly give me LeBron It's a real bar. People who were calling it. People who were calling him floppers in 2012, was like, I told you, I've been on this. He's a liar.

We have Tyree Taliboran's dad versus Janus, scuffling after a playoff game, talking shit face to face. Do we applaud his dad for the audacity? No, we don't. No, we don't. Not even a little bit. Okay.

Well, how are we feeling about this? Again, funny. Also a problem. also an issue his dad almost got decimated man I've never seen Janus looked so dead ass

serious and mad to the point where he's towering I wonder what Tyreys Halliburn's dad was saying whatever it was I like it because I would be the type

of dad to do that too in the future my son better not be good at basketball because I'd be on like so much worse but this is a 10 out of 10 moment no it's 10 out of 10

restraint yeah no seriously do you think do we know what he said do we have any idea I think he was waving his flag And all of her was like Yeah yeah at first

Well oh this is what we fucking do Okay we do have it So it looks like it's just like general shit talk Like yeah But I guess just in his face He's mad he lost it Yeah this is the end of the series So I mean

It was so bad that he missed his son Going to the finals because of that They banished him for even coming to the games For like two playoff rounds Nobody expected them go to the finals And they were like Maybe we should let him back in the arena That's a problem

No he should have stayed He should have stayed banned For the final Stand on it. When we start next season, you can come back to the games, and that's fine. But also, he was on the floor in the finals, too. Yeah. You should have just been nice, put him in a suite, get him away from the players.

You clearly cannot be next to people during the game. What do you think was worst behavior from a parent? This moment or Shay's dad on the podcast? Shays Dad on Teeks podcast. They don't get much worse than what he said on Teens' podcast, man. You want to talk about 10 a 10 of 10 restraint. Jeff Teague is the man. That was one of the craziest things I've ever heard on the mic.

I don't know if Jeff Teague was actually like super, he realized what he said, but he was like, this can't be yet. Yeah, he was like, I can't fathom what you just said to be. And then he doubled back after that episode. He was like, bro, I just really realized what he said. Oh, hell no. It took the episode down. They did? They took the episode down.

For that reason? Well, maybe. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Interesting. I don't even know they did that. Too bad.

The internet lives forever. We got DeAndreine being out due to icy roads. I mean, W. Safety. Like, it's a serious conversation. W. Safety. Yeah, like, basketball is on everything at the end of the day. Like, he's not the only one on the roads. There's 82 games in a season.

He can't miss one. This is what you got to root for now, by the way. Hey, man. I respect the man who respects the law. So it's funny because, like, it's understandable if you think about it, but it doesn't make it less hilarious. Yeah. If anybody else had said this, it would be like, oh, day, like, that's crazy. DeAndre Aiton.

Yeah. His case is so important. This is what's wrong with this. He gets no better for the doubt. At all. He's the only one who has icy road issues. There's, like, 12 other players in the roster who have to be in attendance. You're telling me two monies at the game, but you're not?

What's going on, man? Some guys want it more. I'll give him this a 10 out of time. that. I don't care. Next up, John Moran tried to protect himself from being on camera and the camera operator switched to another angle that he can't blink out. This is hilarious. This is 10 out of 10. You're an asshole for this, Brad. He's hilarious.

No, not today. Got him. And then he realized it too. He's like, damn, bro. I got it. That defeat is just crazy. Job cooked. You got God What a great sense of humor From the camera I'm pretty Just somebody in a truck

Cut the camera too Cut the camera too He doesn't know he made a legendary moment This is a 10 out of 10 man Because this meme is gonna be around For a long time It's almost like It's funny

Then I look into his eyes I'm like he's not having a good day He's genuinely not having a good time right now Hoodie on he's just trying to like Distance himself bro Because he knows his energy is bad for that game Yeah, I assume he was injured at this point. Yeah.

Yeah. Not having a good day. Yeah. Then we got this hilarious moment. I think that's the last one. I mean, that's like half the season, though. Facts. Yeah, he's a lot of bad days.

Yeah, true. Hey, I didn't see you there. We're taking a break from the pot of to let you guys know about the newest TD3 production house call. As you can see, it's the same nonsense, the same hate, the same great takes, but just in the NFL. By the time you guys see this, episodes have already started. started to drop. So tap into the new channel, to the new show. Again, it's everything that you love about the deep three, but just for football. The link is going to be in the description. It's going to be pinned in the top comment. And make sure you guys go tap in and bring your crayons.

Hilarious season. Yeah. Nice thing we're going to do. Mo, I believe you have some stat lines to show us. Yes. So over the course of the history of the NBA, bro, there's been some insane stat lines. Good, bad, ugly. Some of them, like we've seen, I don't know, Nicole Yolkich give us some of the same statelines that look super fake. We also see LeBron James Carrey's traditional 27, 7 and 7. But I want to know if these singular game statelines on you guys' end are real or fake. Okay, so we got to ascertain if you made this up or if this is real. Exactly. Okay. So first stat line, zero points, three turnovers and 21 minutes, but he was a plus 41 in this game.

Zero point three turnover. So he was out there being actively harmful. Plus 41 is ridiculous. That's a mega blowout. That doesn't necessarily mean that you're like actively harmful. Only offensive man. Are he supposed to be from this season or just in the history? Just history.

Okay, okay, okay. Plus 41 in 20 minutes is hard. Yeah. That's so specific though. This is real. The funnier thing to me is who did this? My first thought, T. I bet he has 10 assists.

I can't see I'm not going plus 41 and 21 I'm going fake I'm gonna go real What blow out Is this one okay C got blown out By the Grizzlies maybe by a million points Is Ty's Jones

No this is fake But it's close to being real Bogit was plus 42 With three turnovers So it makes sense A Warriorsbound team back in 2015 2016 are the only capable ones Plus 42

Plus 42 That's a difference Yeah Can you believe it? All right. Next, we got 60 points, seven rebounds, 10 assists with zero free throws attempted. Ethical buckets.

I don't think you can get to 60 points with zero free throws. Yeah, I got to go fake too. The only thing that, like, the closest thing in my mind is Mello getting to 50 on jumpers and like no layos, but like zero free throws is hard. 60 and 10. Like, there's like five guys in a big history. You can do that.

Hardin, you know he's gotten some free throws. Yeah. I don't think LeBron's ever had 60 and 10. Luka definitely, you know, he got some free throws. This isn't Yokic's a 60-point game because he had a triple-double. And he had 61. 61. And we know Carmilla Matthew is like in tennisis.

So I'm going to say fake. You are correct. This is fake as fuck. But just a couple years ago, Jamal Murray, he was he closest to reach speeds like this because he put up like 50 or 54 or something like that with zero free throws intended. 54, zero free throws is absurd. That's so, it's almost impossible. Get your ass in the paint.

Get to the line. You could have 60. Crazy work, man. Real or fake? One point, one rebound, one assist, one turnover, and one block. I'm almost certain this is real. The question is who was it, though? I'm going real on this one. It's clearly real.

Is it somebody this decade? This decade, no. Okay, so who could this be? Who is the king of the single digit? That's so hard. The minutes, I wish I knew to miss. This is a good. Damn.

This is a guard, I will say. Is it a full game? This is a, I mean, yeah, it's a full game. Is it like a good amount of minutes, I guess. Is this bullshit where it's five minutes? Rough, it's not five minutes. It's a good run. It's a good run.

I'll say that. Everyone gets one guess. Who is the king of the same? Matthew Delvedova. Okay, good random name. I like that. Kenny. You said, not this decade?

Yeah, not this decade. That was dumb as hell. Jamal Tensley. Okay. I need, who's a guard that can get a block too, though? Yeah, the block is. Anybody can get a block, though, for real. That's tough.

Sometimes those swipe downs count as blocks and not steals. Yeah, when you have Darren Jackson's scorekeeper. Aaron Brooks. Oh, I like that. It is real. CJ Watson back in 2013. Wow, that's dope. Historic stack.

What a name. This is actually really cool. Yeah. You've never seen it before. Shout out. Real or fake. Someone put up 40 points, but they went one for 18 from the three point lines. This is the gross lamello stat.

this is a gunner 40 is Cam Thomas no he's up to get that many three yeah no I gotta go fake I can't think of a player that would be able to do that because that means it's all in between and free throws and like I guess layups but you also have to shoot the ball enough where you miss 18 threes on top of it or whatever went in I'm sorry this is like if somebody played like last game Kobe for a whole season that's and that was the name I was gonna is this a Kobe Bryant stat line this is real this is fake damn But Harder was real close to this. This is a Hardin type game.

I believe he did have a game like this against Orlando Magic years ago in his Houston days. And he was like one for 17. Damn. Crazy work. Crazy work. Real or fake. 16 field goals made as a team.

As a team. And it was in the 2000s. Whoa. Okay. So in the 2000s. So you're not getting a lot of threes. So it's like what? 16 times two is 32.

That's crazy. I'm trying to think of like the low. what's the amount that you could well that means they must have got to the free throw line a good amount this was in the year 2012 they must have got a good amount of free throws so this is real who could the team have been 16 they must got the lines it's gotta be like a bobcat no two process sixers might have been process which makes a lot more sense they were awful 2013 were they already processed though he said 2013 they've been they were in the process for like years yeah I'll go yeah I'll just go any version of the process sixers

bulls so you're saying it's real yes I'm gonna 13 um but also that doesn't seem feasible for who's really bad then is this the year before no 48 minutes 16 field goals sons will be my guess the sun's not a bad guess I'm no I'm gonna say it's fake this is real damn not a bad guess though this was the 2012 Orlando magic shocking wow wow the final score was like big baby Davis and Dwight Howard on the picture together the score was like 56 to 82 or something like that that's Jason Richardson's Jason and Quentin Jason Richardson said Jemir in the back there's Jemir Nelson in the back shout it to Jason and it's the heat oh that

picture oh that picture okay this is not from that game okay big baby Davis was he starting this to Dwight in 2012 I don't know couldn't have been right no 2012 couldn't have been that's a just imagine that today that's a disgrace hey double bigs are back not that type of double big we're getting real big who real or fake 51 13 and 5 with zero turnovers. That's hard to do. Only five assists though, so it's not... I thought Yolk it's immediately, but the five assists is like, that feels way too low.

Zero turnovers? 13 rebounds. Oh, wait a minute. Is this Janus game seven or game six to close out? This is not Yonis, no. Damn. My brain thought it was closed up final game. It looks real if that's the initial question.

Yeah, is it real? I mean, that's the final end-off beyond. It seems like this is your final guess? I'll go real. Yeah, we're going real. Correct. This is real. This is Jason Chatham. Closeout game versus the 76ers. Okay. Yeah. It rang a bell as like a playoff game for some reason. Yep. Couldn't figure out who.

All time game, though. All time game. And you know what? It'll never be acknowledged because everybody hates them. Exactly. Why put it on this list? You're so good. Shout out taking them. Next, 45 points on 40 free. This is Shaq. It has to be real. This is a single player of a 40 free throw attempts? No way. Attempts. Attempts not make. So I'm going to say real. 40s ridiculous.

I think Shaq shot 39 game one of the 2001 finals. Oh my God. So Hackashack, I feel like that. If there's anybody to do it, it would be Shaq. I don't think I knew that. Yeah.

I don't think I knew Hackashad got to that level. Yeah. He's like 16 of 39. That was a gap in my knowledge. That is insane. 40 free throw attempts is ridiculous. I guess you're saying real. This is fake.

Damn. Okay. The highest is 39. And that belongs to Andre Drummond. Drummond did it. Okay. Drummond shot 39 fritos in a game? 39 fritos in a game, bro.

What? How do you let him stay on the court if he's at 25 foot throws? Ridiculous. Him and Josh Smith, man, they were a nice duo. He got to pick on the court. And I think Shaq, his highest was like 32. 33, like multiple times. Okay.

Okay. Oh. Real or fake. Zero points and 37 minutes of play. I will say real. Got to be real. It's like Traymond or did Tyreys Halper just do this? In the finals?

Is it Tyres Alvin? No, he scored. He scored. He scored. He scored. He did have a zero-field game against the Knicks at the beginning of last season, though. I don't know if that could potentially be that. I've bet a lot of people have done this.

This is real. This is real. You're correct. And it's PJ Tucker in 2022 Cardio Man himself. If anybody's possible, it is him. That makes all the sense in the world. Yeah. Just running, yelling, clapping hands, and just diving into the core for no reason.

Yeah. Yeah, this is his brand. I would kill for 2020 PJ Tucker on the Lakers right now. I used to love PJ Tucker I used to love PJ Tucker on the Rockets They don't make PJ Tucker's like then They don't He's available

No he's not 2020 PJ Oh do they give him multiple years He got a two year deal Holy shit Wow He got a two year deal He's got a real roster spot

Wow Yeah No he's coming back I love it I love it Two years No he's not He's mine

Is this real or fake 13 points 17 rebounds 11 assists in 10 blocks. Real. This is a cumulative one. Okay. I'm going to say real. Strong bet.

Real. Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan is a good bet. Rio. The past is to do that, though. I know. Lovenness is a lot. I don't have a guess, but I'm going real.

This is real. You are correct. But, dude, David Robinson. I was about to say David Robinson, but I was like, Can he pass like that? Yeah. Wow. For one night?

Yeah. That's really, exactly. I was like, but you can get to 11, man. Like, David Robinson could do that.

Yeah. Who do you think is the next capable NBA player to reach a style line like this? Who do you think? Victor. Oh,

yeah. I saw that a victor. That's easy. No. No one else. I won't put him aside. Ten blocks is so tough to do. Yeah.

I mean, 10 blocks. I mean, I guess Janus, maybe. If you squint hard enough at that picture, do you see DeAndra,

God. I don't got to squint. Are you guys in line? Do you know who he is? My eyes are clear. 100 points, 25 rebounds, and two assists. Real or fake? Nobody's ever done this.

Nobody's ever scored 100 points. Somebody has done this. Are you sure? I mean, it's literally in history books. You're still saying fake? This is a layup for you. You believe them? Them.

Who is them? You know who they are. Basketball reference. You know who they are. Your books. I'm going to take the layout. up and say, I think this one is real. Okay.

You know what? No, it's, okay, it is real. I think you were going to, like, change the rebounds back down. The whole shit for the first one. This is real. This is not. I'm just saying, you know, I don't find it odd. And there's no video of, like, anything.

They just had to change locations before the game. We got the picture. That's all we need. Yeah, exactly. That's all you need. I have a lot of pictures. Me, what's your fake? four points 12 rebounds and 16 blocks

damn real or fake what's the record for blocks in the game is this like is this matumbo could be matumbo could be like mark eden it could be elmore could be back than not he's it people were average like four blocks a game in that area like this this is definitely real i'm going real i go real i like the mark edin pick yeah mark eat this is fake damn elmore smith one more block insane feet you know has somebody ever had 20 blocks in the game i believe this might be the no i don't This is the most?

I believe this is in a single game. 17's crazy. We look that up. There we go. There is. Yeah, it was pretty good. Like Bill Russell probably got 20,

but they like weren't counting blocks. Yeah. Yeah. But he probably had it too. Okay. Next thing we're going to do. Flated stats. We're going to go over to one of our favorite sites to fuck around on.

Hoopgoat.com. We're going to do another blind tier list. One of the many good games on here. You guys know how this works. We got four tiers. We don't know the category. We don't know who's coming. But all we know,

Ayo. First player, Tyree Saliborton. Let's go tier three Tier three I feel so good There's always It's always safe To assume there's at least

One or two legends Okay good to know I was gonna glaze a little bit And go Does he him he had a legendary Whoa Okay If you want to glaze

If you want to glaze Who are we to stop you It's a lot of dip A lot of dude So you said these Can be different categories Yeah we don't know It could be a bunch of point guards

Could be a bunch of random players But three is probably safe He's three I would go three Okay we'll go three Jared Allen Shit Four

Tier four has to be tier four Has to be But what if it's like rebound or defense or something like that. Let's just assume we're gauging how good they are as players. Oh, yeah, then tier four. Tier four.

Aaron Gordon. If this is all current players, we're already fucked. But at this point, we have to go forward, hoping there's legend here. So I guess tier four. Damn.

We'll go four. But they're better some stars and we're coming fast. Please. Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. Yeah, bro. Zachary Levine.

Four. We can't waste four. We're going to end up with somebody awful at tier one. What if it's don't? or something. You got Aaron Gordon, you got Zach Levine.

Harry's Halibrand 2 or 3, shit. Shit, yeah. It's not in, Zach could be 3 or 4, I suppose. Realistically, probably 4, but if you want to be conservative with our 4 spots, we could go 3. We already messed up.

Let's try to minimize the damage. We'll go 3. Yeah, I'm cool. Okay. What if it's like looks? Zach Levine's pretty hot. 2.1. Okay, we'll go 3.

I don't. I don't feel good about it. This isn't going to age well. Fred Van Vleet. Damn. Four. Is this all current players? I guess so.

I want to be right. Damn. Jason Kidd, there we go. We might got to fuck around put him tier one at this rate. Did we just go tier two and hope there's like Shaq?

No. Me personally, I want to be safe. They've been giving us some bad options. There's no way. Jason Kidd's like the, what, the 25th best player of all time? Surely there's a top point of five player on here.

There has to be. I like that logic. Yeah. Okay, we'll go to your two. Let's play the odds. Trey Young. tier three him next to Halliburton next was fair

sure we should have exactly been in tier four I wish you would have did that yeah Anthony Davis okay tier two easy okay we might have clicked a little bit a little bit

could he be tier one though Blake Griffin okay so there might be a legend there might be a bum we're getting Blake Griffin wrong either way you want to undersell him or oversell him

undersell but we could look really dumb though too this already looks bad but how bad do you want to look Hey man if we would have flip if he put Zach Levine tier four this would have been fine yeah uh

Kevin Johnson well guys it gotta be handles right is it we're just doing we decide really if we're doing how good the player is oh okay I'm misunderstood then I appreciate you coming Kenny you helped us put together the worst tier list in T3 history my argument

it could be ranking based on political affiliation okay where Kevin Johnson was like a governor or something real real

Jason kid is the closest thing to that by being a coach Hold on Kevin Johnson was a governor Something like that He was the mayor The mayor of Sacramento

I didn't know that I didn't know that Yeah Yeah Shout out this is career accomplishments Outside of basketball Yep There we go

We fucking cook Exactly AD has a TV show We cooked And Jared Allen just play with Legos We cooked All right

Next thing we're going to do, I'm going to show you some NBA players last five 2K ratings, the last five games. You guys got to guess who the player is based on their progression over the years. Okay. Okay. So this is obviously, really what we're doing here is Kenny should win this game. You would think so. You would think so. I would hope so.

The goal is, can one of y'all have more points than him at the end? Can one of y'all answer more than him? I feel good about this. Do y'all game at all? No. I ain't touch 2K. I don't play 2K. Yeah, not to where I'm looking at actual ratings on 2K.

Okay. So I should have this. advantage. I'm a college football guy. It's almost that time, baby. Yep. I'm a madden guy. First player, 83 overall this year,

83 last year, and they've gone down for some of the few years before that. They were a little bit higher. They were on the way up. 22. Yep, they're on the way up. They were trending well to 2K22. And then 2K snatched their chain.

Here's that 83, be happy with it. But they're not like buns. They haven't fallen off completely. It's a little step back. But they've been good for a while, though. I have a guess. Oh, my guess, I'm putting it down right now. I see the best moment of the career happened between 2022 and 2023.

I got Jordan Poole as my guess. This is not Jordan Poole. Fuck. You are along the right lines. Jordan Poo is this high. My guess is Zach Levine. Not Zach Levine. But think about, okay, so this is a big guy.

Oh. Who's the big Zach Levine? It's the big Zach Levine. In terms of what the patterns you're identifying, who's the big man version of that? Because obviously, you know, they fell off around that time, at least in the public eye to 2K. But I'll give you a hint. It's a big guy.

Miles Turner, the hell. It's not Miles Turner. Hell, no. 86 overall Miles Turner over my dead body. Oh, this is Chris Srozingis. Oh, it's not. God. Oh, don't know.

I'm going to get there. Let's see, let's see. It's a big guy. The big Zach Levine has throwing me all. I pray about that. No, I'll give you another hint. He changed teams in part of this run. Okay.

Last two years he's been on a different team. The A3 overalls are on a different team. Okay. Kenny, you got a lot of reputation to protect. Oh. If you know, I don't actually play 2K. I just made it too much. You're looking at menus, though.

You look at overalls. My problem is I can never think of the teams on the top of my mind. Yeah. I will say this is one of the harder ones of top. These numbers don't tell you a whole lot. Damn. Okay, you guys are cooked.

This is DeAndre Aiton. Oh, that's fair. Yeah, and reputation-wise? I should have got that, damn. Okay. Okay. that's how me that's on me that this is hard though a fallout from 85 to 83 is quite negligible

I feel like 83 is very generous it was it was it was very generous and nobody's playing 2K with DeAndre Aiton next player progression over the years 33 that's supposed to say 93 he died I lost the leg man

he lost the leg that year shit came back a goon 96 overall progressed over the year pretty naturally. I'm going to say this is Jason Tatum. This is not Jason Tatum. Oh, fuck, it's Shea. I will say, I was going to say Shea.

I believe you. Okay. This is Shea Guild of Alexander. I didn't mean to reveal it, but I saw that tip of your time. I was going to say Shae. That one's easy, you know, natural progression. Definitely easy. Next one.

Who is this player? Peaked a few years ago, at least on this list, down to 81 overall. Pretty substantial fall off in 24 or 25. Going down four overall points. And then five and then four? This is Jimmy Waller. Hell no, 81, come on. Is this Trey Young?

Hell no! It's not resounding. I don't hate him that much. Damar? Not DeMarre? Better guess. But not Demar. Damar's closest guess so far.

The 90 overall club for two years. And then nowadays, he's like a rotation player, basically. Maybe he's just a solid star. I'm barely. I'll say, no, I'll give you a hint. 81 is too high for what he should have been this year. Name recognition is getting him 81. Not his play.

this is Rudy gobert you know damn well I would never say that by Rudy Gobert you say he doesn't play oh okay I didn't say he doesn't play I mean he plays but like he doesn't deserve anyone

gotcha gotcha yeah we're throwing stinkers right now yeah you guys suck well I will say this is kind of hard I gotta look at NBA teams man we're doing stinkers is that allowed can I do that is that allowed

I just want to look at teams too we've never done that just literally just like have teams in your face but those are drawn blanks just logos wow this is all right man that's what I'm saying

what are we doing this is Christopher Emmanuel Paul I wouldn't have got that I wouldn't have got that that's an insane follow off too I wouldn't have got there too yeah that's against the spirit of the game yeah I will say

81's too high the picture memorized over there if this said 72 overall and you might have got it going from 90 to 72 but 81's too high he was not 81 last year man this is hard

have you guys only gotten Shay right so far yeah I didn't even count for real Next up Who is this player 79 and 2K21 Progress up to 83 right now

So he's just been consistently okay Jaling Green Yeah man I'm going to hit with Jalen Green sometimes He's not that bad of a guess I don't think It's not Jaling Green He's around that overall Fred Infleet Not Fred Van Vleet

This is a surprise you I think this guy You might consider him a little more accomplished A little more The 79 is tricky He's an older player This is Drameau This is Dramon Green.

Oh wow Wow This 79 is so nuts They said you fell off Then they won the chip And they were like never mind Wow Good pool

Because those are the years And they were terrible And he was out there With Steph running around Without Steph running around Showed in respect I for a chip Yeah

83 that fits Good pull The first good selection There we go Finally Who is his player God damn he's all over the place 7582

That's a typo 2K 25 Oh no I was a typo on my end. I think he's 80 right now. He's 80 right now. Okay. Okay.

And in 2021. Okay. Okay. Okay. So right now he's an 80. 75, 82, 83. Fourth year player, 80 overall. That was a bad typo.

I don't know how I wrote 70. You said it's an 80 right now. Yeah. He's an 80 right now. So I'm a, so this is a young player, obviously. Yeah, he's only been in the league for four years. Oh, no. Okay.

No, that's why the typo. He's a 79 right now. Okay. So, yeah, the second number got fucked up. Did you trick people? 79 right now. Okay. Honestly, he has a spot very near and dear to somebody's heart on one of these chairs.

Oh, somebody in this room, he has a spot very near and dear to their heart. All right. McAll Bridges? No, it's not McHale Bridges. Can we be higher. Kobe White's not a 79. It's not Kobe White. Oh.

We already did eight and so I don't think it's a Laker. So it's either a Nick, a Bull, or a Hawk. It's no one on the Hawks. So it's either a Nick or a Bull. Who's the first overall pick in 2021? Kate Cunningham That's Cade's draft Okay

I'll say the question mark is there He wasn't to leave that year Okay Knicks Bulls No Everybody on the Knicks Is like fairly old

So I feel like it has to be a bull Is this Josh Giddy Is this Josh Giddy? Okay yeah You know why You know why it threw me off I'm thinking about His rating right now

This is crazy I notice it's an 85 right now So this is probably his priest Before the season So that's why I didn't think about I got these from hoop type And they have like the year by year breakdown It's probably preseason

Yeah, okay, that makes a lot more sense Okay, he's 95 right now He's an 85 right now That's next He had a really good month before the season He did That was enough For the month

42% and three Stop sleeping Next player Who is this Who 96, 95 94 94 94 992 This is not Kevin Durant

Close John Moran Not John It's 96 96 means like you're at the top of the league Is this Joel and B? It's not Joaquin It's not LeBron

It's not LeBron It's still pretty high Steph? Not Steph. Dancing around it. Jason Tatum. Not Jason Tatum. Fuck.

Name another league player. We're dancing around? Who's, who's, he might be out of your consciousness because there's a lot of reasons to forget about him. Dame.

Not Dame. Ooh, that's a great pull. Kind of some, no, not Dame. Do you say Joel in the beat already? He did.

A.D.? Not AD. The first guest was the closest one when you say Kevin Durant. Kyrie. Not Caii. James. Oh, my.

Kauai. Jeez, we're just flicking off these players. You say enough names. Eventually all the top 12 players. Yeah. on next player 77 84

so he made a joke 86 87 okay he made a jump but now he's very respectable but you know four years in a row around this level I'll say 2K21 was his rookie year I think or second year something like that so the 2K22 jump was like he made

he became a good player after a rookie rating but pretty stagnant last four years Paulo van caro come on no how long he hasn't been to lead that long OG not OG I know OG I know OG I don't know, oh, geez, I don't think he's at high. It's been stagnant after his rookie year. After his second year, he made a leap, been stagnant since then.

Okay. This is harder than I anticipated. Yeah, this is good exercise in the brain. 77 is kind of wild, but I see 87. Is this like, is this Desmond Bain? This is not Desmond Bain. Is this Tyrese Maxie? This is not Tyrese Maxie.

Yeah, not Scotty Barnes. Not Scotty Barnes. This is La Mello Ball. Oh, okay. It's stuck in that range for a few years now. Some different circumstances hold them back. Damn, Lamele, these conversations are getting a little. One can argue 87 is too high.

Ooh. Next player. Oh, he fell off. Fell off. 87, 84, 83, 76, 76. He fell off, y'all. 2021. DeMardarosen?

What the hell is 76? Mm-mm. It's a best player, man. Who would have been really good in two Ks? Russell? No. That's a much better guess. That is a really good guess.

He's so generous of ratings. Anybody gets in the 70s. Nobody gets below 70s anymore. You're too nice. Ronnie has to test to be buddy, buddy with everybody. You can't be honest. So in 2021, this guy was like a near All-Star. Yeah.

And then he was washed. And then he confirmed that he was watched. Is Al Horford. Not Al Horford. Damn. Wow, wow, wow. Two years of being watched. Who are we looking at this?

Like, hey, man. Might be time to hang it up. Left you. Leave the game before the game leaves. They would never have Clayton. This is Ben Simmons. Yeah, we ain't getting this. We were not. We saw. Yeah, we ain't getting this. I don't think we would have got there either way.

Let's skip this one. Ah, fuck. I just showed it. Jalen Bronson. Damn, I want to do that one. Okay. Last one. Who is this player? Started out strong and now it's just like, all right. Another player that is very near and dear to one of our hearts. 87, 88. Is this Trey young?

This is not Trey Young. It's just cat. This is not cat. I will say, getting hotter. So obviously, 88 player that's good. Took a little step back the last two years. It's still good. Is Nicola Vucevich?

Hell, get the fuck out of my face. He was a little bit of Nicole Vucevich? I want to say, Mikhail, but he just wasn't in 87 and 21. Yeah, so the guy he took a little bit of a step back, but still really good. It's maybe not quite what he once was in 2023. Okay. Is this tomorrow? It's not tomorrow.

Deer to our hearts. That's what's dumb, y'all. Yeah, yeah. Okay, it's near and dear to Kenny's heart. To my, fine, I'll say. It's near and dear to Kenny's heart. Damn, what? Who am I fan of?

No giddy, no, Josh. See, this is your lane times two. Yeah. I should be like, no. I mean you to do you to carry? Thinking about. It's your guy. Pascal Seaccombe.

No. It's your guy. I don't know. Seacham your guy? I don't even know that. No, he's not. That's fine. It's fine.

It's not. People associate you with this guy. Oh, Rydgo Bear. This is Reigo Bear. Damn, how do you feel to be like, oh, that's the Regal Bear guy? I've accepted it as my reality. I think that does kind of suck. I'd be damned.

When he sucks and I'm like, fuck, bro. How happy when he pieced up the Lakers and got 27 and 20, how happy? Dude, the amount of tweets that were flying my way. It's like, I felt vindicated. I've told y'all, and he'll probably never do that ever again in his life. All he needed was a platform. Totally. next thing we're going to do

let's rank the top 10 young cores in the NBA as of today so post draft keeping that in mind who are the new best young cores okay so is 25 and after like yes yet yeah if you're 26 you age out so what kind of everybody 25 and below

25 below okay so immediately we have to think about the Orlando magic naturally right yeah you guys think about the players that are already superstars that age yep so to me that means Anthony Edwards and Victor Roman Yama probably had to be one and two lots okay but they don't but it's not but it's not like a whole core it's just like them but they're that good in my mind exactly like the core doesn't but i will say you know who the spurs have deep young

core plus superstar player now they're probably one they're probably one yeah because okay c she ages out yeah she ages up but they're probably on this list they're they're on kiss on wall they're just not yeah but you know victor woman yama is a top 10 player in the world Dylan harper's number two pick carter brine's there spurs one for spurs one spurs one suffol castle yeah yeah so if you go spurs number one conversation starts at two. There is still Palo Ben Carver and Franz Wagner. I think Jaylen sucks

are still below 25. They have a lot of other young players that don't play and haven't panned out but they're young and they're there. I think I'm Franz is on, he's on fraud watch right now.

He's not, he's great. The shot is just I feel good with the- I'm still wanting to give enough credit having a great year though from what he did when Palo was out. Yeah,

that is true. So in terms of young core like it's not about how they fit together just how good the young core is. I think Anthony Edwards. I feel like that kind of matters, though. Maybe. Sure, yeah, I guess it's a little bit because, like, we still have a question about how good this court is because they can't play together.

Okay, well, who is the young court besides Anthony Edwards? Rob Dillingham. Yeah. Tarran, Shannon Jr. Bag. That's like it. Yeah, but isn't that good already. He's a top 10 player.

So does that deserve number two? No, I don't think I feel like this rich, right? Yeah, number two of one person. Do the match you deserve two? Are you in enough on Palo Bancaro? Has you proven enough to be number two? for me personally probably not but I'm I'm racking my brain

I can look at teams yeah it's not a competition I feel like I'm for I'm forgetting about somebody I do think that right now the standard should be are you better than Chet and and Jadog because those two guys on any young

core is like okay no this is this is legit so I still kind of want to go okay C yet too can you add case and Wallace in there too Nicole at Topich I'm not mad at okay C they have a lot of depth

okay let's go okay Cs If I see an opportunity to glazed OKC, I will not stop you. OKC too. I think the Rockets need to be in the conversation, too, between Shingoon, Amin Thompson, Jabari, Whitmore, Reed, Shepherd, Tari, Tari. We didn't say it in Thompson. Did I not say, man? Maybe his first thing you said, my bad. Yeah.

So, OKC number three? OKC. I mean, Houston number three? Two. They belong to two. Yeah. So Houston number three. I think Houston three makes sense.

Yeah. Okay. I like that. I guess, I mean, that's when you get into the philosophical thing, like, burdened hand and Anthony Edwards versus a lot of picks. still. I think the volume works for Houston more than it does for the magic just because most of those guys have shown things. The only one that hasn't really shown anything is Reed Shepard. And I feel better about that bet than I do like Jet Howard. I still believe in Anthony Black, though, to do something as an end up player. For sure. So puts them to four

then. Is it magic time over Timberwolves? Yeah, they have two. They have two guys that you can rely on. So you're probably prioritizing death in this conversation. a little bit but also like when palo is also that good and then franz like both of them if they didn't get hurt they would be all-stars so i think having two potential all-stars knowing that knowing that they're that good that's okay putting up against just one like star okay okay i'm like i'm hitting straight okay so go Orlando now does minnesota come in at five yes they should now they definitely did we entertain the hawks no i think not because if you have if you entertain the hawks that means that you 100% believe general johnson will be and also which i do of course but it's not 100% like certain you know okay i like zach i like on yka i'm i'm not against the wolves but i will put a vote in for the 76ers to come up soon

Maxi, VJ, McCame, Quinn Grimes is still, I think, 25 years old if he comes back and restrict the free agency. Yeah. It's got to be something. Maybe on this list, maybe not. But is this a team that we haven't said just yet? Vijay moves me.

Vijay moves me. I lean Anthony Edwards here now. I'm just saying Anthony Edwards of the team. I lead to the rules going number five because it's fucking amazing. Yep. And then six, I'm okay with 76ers. Because I'm looking at some of these other teams

that have young cores, like, a Wizards. When are we going to mention Detroit? oh yeah i also feel it's a very shallow young core i sars kade i during during i don't feel like i know what to make of ivy in this moment for the conversation and durran he had a good strong second half of the year still a little bit a little bit unsure but this is the time when they come up yeah this

second half for sure do we fitz okay so pistons or sixers um probably because of kate exactly yeah kate's enough kate's just enough wait is he better than tyris maxi yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm pretty confident yeah definitely okay so if we go detroit six philadelphia seven three spots those are all the marquee ones now because like john moran i think is jane jackson certainly aged out i think john around he's out i think i'd be comfortable but anyway they don't have the depth anymore of young talent yeah portland has like everything but the guy yeah but you still got guys i think at 10 10 is fine because you're going to have like 16 teams still competing to win a title and like not rebuilding

I'm okay with Portland in this range conversation does Utah get there with Ace no no somebody misses yeah they don't have enough like gold stars on their platter to be like okay I agree with that are we buying what Washington is cooking towards the end of this list maybe even at the top I really like Trey Johnson yeah so that might be enough for me to say I really like Alexar yeah so they got I think they end up on this list They got some guys. I think top 10. Okay, so we're choosing between.

Oh, does Charlotte get on this list? We have Kahn now. I know they're PRs in the fucking toilet. Has Lamello aged out? I don't think so. So we got Lamello. He's the same draft as Anthony Edwards. Right, right, right.

So we got Lamello, we got Brandon Miller. We got Con Cnapple. I think I'd rather be Washington. Common Walsh? Oh, no, that's a sign. It was dumb. Yeah, I think Washington deserves a spot over the Hornets, for sure. That seems reactionary to me.

Lamello is still an offshore level player. I'm not the biggest. Brandon Miller got from some people, but I think he's good. I think we like concanipal. I just wish they hit on number six last year. Yeah. The Wizards just have so many bodies like Balakul Bali, Alexar, Kishan George, Bub Carrington. Trey Johnson.

They just have so many bodies. Okay. So you want to go Washington at 8? Yeah, they just have so many bodies. Although Lamello is an All-Star, he's just been too up and down in my mind. Wait, is, Terry Taliborne's a 25? Even if he is, it's just him over. He was a call.

He was a call from multiple. No, Nimhart. Nymard's under 25, too. I was thinking that, but I'm not sure now. Yeah, Nymard definitely is. Easy. Low key. To prevent them from going on the list.

How is he's 25? He aged out. Well, you said 25 and under or 25. 25 and under? Well, he's not playing next season. Okay, let's take him off then. Take him off. Okay.

Oh, I just have one I was going to say, oh, do we want to show any respect to Toronto Raptors? They do have Scotty Barnes. They have Scotty Barnes and Colomery Boyles. Nope. Thank you. O. Teh, Abaji. It's not a bad young core.

Nope. Um, what about the Chicago? Josh Kitty, modus is his wire. So the Dallas Mavericks have Cooper Flag. Natch. Cooper Flag might be enough. It might be enough. Jaden Hardy.

So the Dallas Mavericks have Cooper Flag. And Jaden Hardy. We go, if you want to put Dallas at like 10 because of Cooper Flag, I think that, I guess that's fair. But they don't really have anybody else. They don't. We got two spots left. Charlotte has a young course Charlotte, Portland, Dallas, Toronto

are like the four Charlotte, Portland, Portland, you get nine My gut says Portland and Charlotte are the last two in whatever order I'm not mad at that Does the Cavs move anyone Dare Scorn is 25 Oh, Evan Moby's like 22

I mean 23 24 I mean under They deserve to be on the list Because Evan Moby I think they deserve to be four I think they deserve to be four I think we fucked up entirely Yeah let's put everybody down

Cleveland is so bad at ages. I just kind of assume Dary's Garland's 26 now. So then Minnesota goes here. Got a rebound the whole list. Damn, okay. So then we go back to this other side. Minnesota goes six. And here we are.

So we're at Spurs. That's 10. So Spurs, OKC, Houston, Cleveland, Orlando is the top five. The Minnesota, Detroit, Philadelphia, Washington, Portland. Do nobody's carrying more than Anthony Edwards right now. I don't think this is bad Back-to-back conference vitals And do that

Yeah, yeah, it's fair Okay Shout out our list Shout out the youth I think it's good Yeah I think it's good But I'm not sure entirely

Oh one thing I want to do real fast Uh We did this thing where we had We picked every The best skill set Across the entire league So we said the best shooters The best passenger

Let's do that point guards So I'm gonna name an NBA skill You tell me Who's the best point guard in the NBA at that's killed right now. Cool. Three point shooting. Hmm, I don't know.

Yeah, it's tough. Start with the debate. Step Curry. Step Curry. Move on quick. Debatable. Tray. Rim finishing.

Shee. Yeah. Is there a close second? Once upon a time, it would be. Once upon time, it was Jha, but that's ship-as-sail. Shays laughed, obviously. Is that like just as easy as Curry? Yeah.

Yeah. Pretty much at this point. Yeah. Okay. on ball defense point guard play huh so point guards on ball defenders jalen suggs is up there they're quite naturally jujahad is naturally up there too yeah maybe a couple years ago do uh are we never not kind of dicing downs is a point guard he's a two guard come he's not a he's not a yeah let me look up to all defensive team votes

for this one yeah yeah dice and dengers was one like during the first two years of his career but then they quickly realized he's a two yeah okay so all defense votes Was there any point guards here? Probably not. Yeah, no. I feel like Jalen Suggs might be the point guard. That's fair. He gets after me.

Yeah, that's fine for me. Do we consider Alex Caruso a point guard? No. Really? He's a point guard defender type guy, but he's not offensively. I mean, what is he listed as positionally? Probably shooting guard. That is not a point guard.

And even if he does guard one, that goes against the spirit of position. Okay. We can't do that. Yeah, he does initiate actions. Okay. So if we're saying the. player has to play point guard offensively probably jalen sucks okay into your defense so one of these guards are blocked shots kate kate's up there shea blocks she blocks so many shots

yeah tyris haliburton blocks three pointers yeah like let the league in three point blocks that's that's crazy only you would not i didn't internalize that first that's my god i gotta know but interior defense hey guys it's probably shade yeah she's really good on rotation he's a good team defender this is more of a team defender's that than anything for sure third best player in the world showing himself. Damn. Two spots on the list already. Passing.

Luca. Luca. Tray comes to mind, of course. Any Tyrese love? Tyrese definitely wants you, of course, too. He can get that. I think ultimately I'm still going to land on Luca.

Yeah. But if we're doing the top three, that's probably the top three. I think passing talent, like accuracy, where they can throw the balls, Luca. Playmaking and like how they lead in offense, Tyrese Hallibran's probably the answer. But I'm fine going to, Luca. I'm not going to argue anybody wants to put a lake ground on my list.

Luca. mid-range scoring this guy has three spots on the list sorry guys he's the one right now you said third best player in the world higher wow two you ever met two maybe I don't know

I don't know it's tough three spots on the list is crazy yeah it is okay last thing we're gonna do is he two it's tough I feel obligated to put yonisette too but everything in my gut says

shade deserves too but I just feel like I'm gonna get yelled at if I say that So I'm like, yeah, y'allness is probably still too. You can't say it now that you probably never will be able to say it. He's just won MVP and finals MVP. Yeah, that's true. Like, if he doesn't deserve that after that, then we just like were being safe.

Who cares? Here's this one on tap. I forgot. I'm just going to, oh, I can't do it on the thing. Is there like a gap working with this? Maybe the face mask. Yeah, put it in the face. Okay.

So here's one of these. You're going to adjust to your head. We're going to do this game. You guys have seen all over TikTok. We are going to, no, put the kids. the helmet on it's gonna be funny I don't know if it's gonna stay let me make this as small as I can

and you see if you put this over the helmet if you can lock it in here like this is or like do we have a fourth one combine it yeah just put it yeah put it alongside unstrapped another one yeah just don't worry about strapping it like lay it on the top of the face mask

hold on what if I put it through yeah put it through his ear holes wait my back let me not dislocate your neck what hell Yeah, this might not work Okay Wait wait

It's the other side I was Tweaking on Alright There we go There we go Yeah Yeah So everybody reach in

Pick a player Trying to look at who it is Close your eyes Everybody else can see it So don't go worry about Am I facing the right way Yeah Okay

And then find Find the hole Mom I need you to put mine on All right Oh A couple of these are I set up Okay, pick a player

Trying to look at it I've never seen you Without the hat with the du rack on On the show Just raw dew Raw do Raw do is disgusting With the rag

Right way Yeah You got the rack out All right You guys know this game works We all have a player on our head We have to see Who can guess the player first

Is mine like straight Yeah you're good Yeah, you can go first. Ask your question. Is my player a guard? He's not a guard. Is my player an All-Star? Yes.

Yeah. Like a current All-Sart. You have a yes. Yeah, sorry, buddy. Is my player play today? He does play today. Is my player a current Hall of Famer or will be a Hall of Famer? Yes.

Yeah. Okay. Is my player active? Yes. Did my player's team, primary team, if he got triggered? Did my player's team make the playoffs last year? No. No.

No. Okay. Does my player have an All-Star 2's name? He does not. Ooh. Nope, nope, nope. Is my player considered an elite score? Yes.

Is my player big? He's large. Okay. Is my player a starter? A starter? Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Okay. Has my player ever won a championship? He has. Yeah. Ooh. Okay. Okay. Is my player also an elite passer?

yes yeah okay is i don't even remember what i asked already yes he's large i said he's a wide load this that has to be who's active already i forget yeah yeah you did there's a person you asked i believe no you asked he's a guard is my is my player on a playoff team no no not from last year got it um my got a bucket i would not say i know i wouldn't say that i know i wouldn't say No. It's not how you characterize him. Not that you can't score, but I wouldn't call him a bucket.

Got you, gotcha. You wouldn't call him a bucket. I'll say that. I wouldn't. You damn sure I wouldn't call him a bucket. Okay. Got you. Okay.

Has my player, so he's won a champion, so has it been an all star? Nope. He's somewhat of a role player, but all right. I forget, did I,

did I forget, did I, don't remember the answer. I'm not going to use the same question twice. I'm not going to say any question twice. No lifeline. Is this for Vandleet? That is not for him. Interesting guess.

I'm going to just throw out the obvious guess. Elite, is this LeBron James? No. No. Fuck. Uh, do, do, do, do, do, do. Is my player currently a free agent? No.

No. Is my player a guard? Yes. Is my player bald? No. Is my player above 6-5? Yes. Yeah.

Above 6. Okay. Is my player primarily known for his defense? Not primarily. Okay. Like not on some go bear shit. Right.

Gotcha. Is my player in the East? No. No. Does my player do media? No. Not even sort of. Maybe some TikTok here, there, if that counts.

Is this Luca Donchich? Yeah. I'm so lucky he was an elite passer and elite scorer. That's so easy. You narrowed it down super fast. There's like five players. Okay. See, comes the second?

Yeah, oh, do we keep going You can or we can restart I don't care It's up to y'all I'll just take a guess Walker Kessler Now what case is Jewel and B

Oh fuck You're never gonna get yours I'm not I'm not gonna get along I can't I'm giving it John Stockton Damn

Every time I was never gonna I tried not to laugh Yeah Is he a bucket Is this guy Richard Jefferson That's Jonathan Kamen

I never asked if he was active You did but you like You asked as you an all-stars And after that you were like Colonel Star you tried to mix it in And we were like no Well no Whenever I asked that I was trying to

Bake in like if you made an all-star team like last year But not this year Okay Let's go another round So at least one more Oh I think did you break? No you're good It's fucked up because I always win this

And people think I'm cheating And y'all are just not giving them a reason It's not think I'm cheating Oh man Okay, close my eyes. I'm holding this right way? Yep. Here you go.

It's so hard to find this a little slit. Let me get my. Let me get yours. Yes. There you go. And I got lucky as hell out. One of the most famous players in the week. Yeah.

All right, babe. He needs assistance. Here you go. My problem wearing a helmet. All right. Yeah, you're good. Let me put mine out real quick and then let me assist you for a second.

it's like an airplane you got to sit yourself first okay interesting players this time okay you look so fucking stupid oh shit mine came off I don't know who this is though I have no idea

okay big ass head okay I guess I got first and I won try to ask basic questions does my player wear a number below 25 yes okay

okay is my player black Yes, you get real basic You narrowed it down I got to fix my mistakes from last time Is my player active? Yes Got you

Is my player active? He is Is my player active? Yes Yes Fuck Is my player active? No

No Damn Fuck man You almost rather be active Yeah No seriously Does my Does my player

Is his team's primary jersey Red? Yes No Yes Wait Oh Yeah it is

Okay I didn't know Is that player guard? No. My player war is below 25. He's an active player. I want to throw a shot out there. Again, if I get it right, I'm not going to duck the cheat allegations.

For some reason, my gut says, is Anthony Davis? No. Damn. Damn. Okay. Does my player have an MVP to his name? No? Mm-mm.

Okay. Uh, is my player, my player a good defender? Yeah. I would say so. Sure. He's not a bad defender. He's not known as a bad defender. Is my player big again?

He's large. Okay. Is my player big? No. Small. Nice. Okay. Does my player have a championship on his resume?

He does. Hmm. Okay. Is my player a champion? He is. Yes. Is my player a champion? He is.

Is my player a champion? Yeah. Let's go. All we do is win. Okay. Okay. Was my player drafted in the 2000s up? Yes.

Okay. Is this Andrew Wiggins? No, that's a solid guess. Not that you're almost right, but I like that. Is my guy an All-Star? No. Did I ask him he's currently playing? I don't know.

I guess you can't tell me. Is my guy a current All-Star? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Is my guy bald? I got to have a ball time. No.

Damn. the fuck uh is my guy a front court player yes i got a small 25 below number current all star i don't remember any of my hands there's multiple games right she's my guy yeah you start to lose track is my does my guy play for an eastern conference team no do i have shaggle to talk nander no no damn okay my guy play is he a guard yes okay uh does my guy play for an eastern conference team yes my guy's a champion number 25 below he's a guard is my guy a starter yes is my guy a good shooter yeah champion good shooter number 25 below i'm flummoxed okay okay okay

Is my guy a Hall of Famer? He is. Okay. He's one of the greatest of all time, apparently. Did my player play on a top four seed this year? He did. Yes, he did. Dude, I got nothing.

My guy's a current All-Star? Yeah. How many All-Star guards right now have a championship? Is my guy Black? No. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's like 4% of the league.

Hold on to something. Damn. Ah. Champion Guard currently an All-Star, you said? So this year he was an All-Star. How many championship guards are currently an All-Star? It's not Jamal Murray. It's not Steph Curry.

I said below 25 number. There's nobody in the Lakers. There's nobody on the Celtics. What the hell, man? Is my player black? Yeah. I need by time, man. I didn't know the show shit.

Okay. Is my player a big? No. What the fuck? He says he a big, right? Yeah. Yeah, no, it's not a big. All right.

I'm so mad because I'm going through the top four season. I forgot. I know I asked if he was in the Eastern Conference. I forgot what y'all said. So I'm going to ask it again. Okay. But we're going to switch up other conference. Does this guy play in the Western Conference?

No. So he is. Pointless switch up. It's the same question. Is my guy Chet? He is Chet. He is Chet. He is Chos.

I feel like you're aligned to me. This doesn't make sense. I feel like one thing I misconstrued. What's your last song is the dark? You misunderstood one of the questions. I did? You said, is he a big? We said, no.

You said, oh, he's small. Yeah, he's not small. He's not a big either, though. Oh. I said, is he big? I don't think I said a big. But, okay. I mean, like, side, but that was a dumb.

I mean, he's big a pair to us. So it's a wing. It is a wing. It is a wing. So LeBron James? No. Oh, who I got? Yeah.

Okay. Fair enough. wing um from what I was able to gather is this T-Mack no damn

when you you said and you asked is he black and I saw it on his eyes yeah depending on who you ask he asked him

exactly it's different um does it deem it nope kristos porzengis there's the other Lee white

wait y'all said that's a hawk that's a hawk That's a hawk, the red jersey. You should have caught on when I, I stumbled when I asked me. Wait, tell on, time, time, time about. Yeah.

But if I, see, time on. Now we got to take this off. Because if you answer that and you say that his primary jersey is red, and I say, is the team that he played for, were they in top four seats? You said last year when you asked that. You said we were a top four seed last year. Okay. So then.

When you answered the jersey, you said, it's his primary jersey red. You didn't say last year. Yeah. You see, we just answered correctly. Yeah. And with that being to say, that's the end of this podcast. Not correct. If you're still here, comment, should Donovan be mad at us?

Did he get hoed? Let me know. Did we fuck over Donovan? It's house call season. If we're still here, check out house call. Kenny, appreciate you coming on, coming on in person for the first time. Yes, sir. It was a great time, man.

Yeah. Had a blast, man. Thank you. Check out my other channel. House call. In the description. Damn. Man, God.

Is he owned the Deep 3-2? Are we industry plans? Yeah.