The Deep 3 Podcast - We Graded Every NBA Star's 2026 Playoffs | Ep. 213

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

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Be Souls, how would you grade your performance for these NBA playoffs? My performance? Your performance. My pod performance. Have you been clutch? I would say so. I would say, not during TikTok time. Yeah.

I've been freezing up. A little bit of poor late game performances. Yeah, I'm looking like Iceman out here. Is what I'm saying? Oh, my gosh. Look like Jaylen Duren on here? Yeah. Tough.

Looking like Jailen Brown out here. Tough. It looks like Derek White out here. Why you got the sunglasses on also, too? Don't worry about it, man. I'm a little worried about it I'm iced out Are you sure

Is sunglasses a part of the ice? No You tell me you said it Also no It is today What's today It's ice man Dave man

You can't spell cinema Without ice man You're disgusting You're disgusting You don't put on caution to celebrate Yeah This is the caution Cold culture

You see what I'm saying The OVO the sunglasses the ice such a wedding ring yes yes you know it that blue diamonds on it

okay let's go ice that's the first time you ever mentioned all right well outside of B. Souls being well prepared for Ice Man Day as you guys see what a title

we're here to grade every single NBA stars performance in these playoffs just a performance in the first two rounds We're currently Thursday, May 14th, game 6 and 7 of the second round series that are still going on are going to happen before the Monday episode. So we don't know for sure which of these final four teams are going to make it to the conference finals. So with that in the air, knowing that's a part of it that's left unsaid, we're still going to grade their playoff run so far. And every single playoff run that's been either concluded because they got eliminated or the already in the conference finals. Let's you know what we think, A through F.

Sounds good. Let's give these folks some S, man. Let's do it. There's a few Fs to go around. I've been reading in grade papers my whole life. Let's do it. Have you ever done that before? Like, been a teacher's pet?

Been a teacher's pet or graded papers? Those are two different things. I do the same thing. Like, you never be a teacher's pet like, no. I suppose a lot of teachers pets happen to grade papers, but I don't think they're usually exclusive.

I would just like label them as that. A lot of TAs were teachers pets. Like, is a TA professional teacher's pet? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man, that's kind of crazy. I've never, I've never been that.

I never really seen them like that. Let us know what you think. Are all TAs teachers pets? Cue the intro music. Let's pod, man. We're throwing it back. That's crazy. He was bragging.

I hope you didn't say. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. Crowd-eaters rejoice. Let's start this conversation off, but doing a little bit of recap. The game that happened last night, let's talk about the stars and what we saw in that game from game five. Cavaliers versus Pistons, a game in which for about,

you do the math, 46 minutes. It looked like the Pistons had it wrapped up. Looked if they were going to defend home court. Make it so through two series, the Cavs still had it won a road game. They're up by nine points, but two minutes and 48 seconds left.

Yeah. Proceed to give up a 9-0 run to get to overtime, allowing the Cavs to get back in the game, and proceed to give up four more unanswered points in overtime to somehow blow this game after leading by that much that late in the game, the Cavs finally win a road game.

The Pistons go down 3-2, no longer defending home court. How do we feel about this game before we get into the star performances? I had to start spraying Fabrice. Slub the piss through my TV. I was disgusting because then you look up and the cap scored four in a row in overtime as well. So it was like a 13-0 run in total. And at the time, they showed the graphic.

It was a 13-0 run for the Caps. The Pistons had missed nine straight shots. and I didn't feel like all of the shots that Detroit was taking were like were bad shots. It's not like they were getting 100% clamped by what Cleveland was doing, but they just couldn't, they couldn't get, they couldn't get very,

very, like, confident shots that you knew, okay, this 100% is going to go in. And there was, there was a level of work that they had to do to try and find these, like these close-out shots. They just couldn't find the dagger. But to not be able to get any, any field goals is the situation where if Kade's jumper, when everybody's ISO win,

if he misses two jumpers, I don't know where else they would go after it. Because he took two shots in a row and I was like, okay, let's, you know, let's try to get somebody else involved. And then immediately, as I thought that, I was like, well, who I'll do? Yeah, who I want to get involved here. So it puts a lot of pressure on him. So, yeah, last night was disgusting for them. Yeah, the last two games of late game offense are everything we feared with the Pistons.

Two games ago, Kay cutting him, three straight turnovers with like two minutes left in the game. After being pretty good for the whole series, doing what he's due for the first beginning of the game, when you have one person that has to create every single opportunity, a lot of times for himself, because they're doing a good job of walling off the shooters, walling off the roll man, making Kate beat you as a score. He can do that pretty consistently. But two games in a row, we see that all it takes us three bad possessions in the late game when things are close. And all of a sudden it's, fuck, Kate is overtax. He can't handle the pressure, yada, yada.

It's so much to ask of him. It's all we've talked about all playoffs. There's too much being asked of him. You lose two games in row, I think almost entirely because of that. Yeah. In this game, it sucks. You really miss Duncan Robinson, even though Dennis Jenkins stepped up and he, I think he scored like 19 points or something like that.

And you felt his impact and presence. But because he was there, you also missed that fucking bench scoring and juice. Shout out to Kevin Hurter. He showed up. Didn't do anything. I think he only got like three minutes, so he couldn't really do much. He was coming off of injury, too. So I think this game for me more than anything is like it pretty much solidifies.

One, okay, the whole Joan during conversation is tragic because he wasn't even not prioritized towards the end of the fourth quarter. Those were Paul Reed minutes and damn near like deserving. So even though at times it looked like he was getting bodied by Darren Allen and Evan moving, that's just like a lot of size to do with in general. But more so than ever, like I see K'd and it confirms everything. that I ever thought about him in terms of yeah like they're doing or relying you overly too much and really this game feels like it should have been theirs they were up by as much as like 15 in the

third I believe up by 9 in the fourth and they gave up all that all those points it was just it was disgusting performance terrible shout out paul read giving them some sort of impression when they know jalen durin and if we're going to skip ahead to our grades for this obviously jalen durin we're counting him as a star made the all-star team isn't a running for all NBA isn't the running to get a max contract because we all feel like he's the guy that proved this season he can be that co-star for kidd Cunningham. In fact, if you're a type of person that had a lot of faith in the Pistons to make the finals, it was probably hinging on the fact that in the regular season, Jayland Dern had proven to be that Outlaw Velve, proven to be that second score,

averaging 20 points for game, being able to create a shot for himself off the dribble even. That was a big development we saw early in the season. Essentially all that has withered away. He went from averaging 20 points to 10 points. One of the greatest playoff drops we've seen for many star player in recent years, completely unplayable, isn't given back defense to make up with the lack of offense. absolute F. Brother, he's shooting 57%

at the rim so far in the playoffs. That's horrible. That's absolutely disgusting for someone his size. And it's unfortunate because obviously just once a couple series, both haven't been good.

So I'm not going to completely say the story on Jayland Dern as a star is over yet. Sometimes guys need to take some awards and have a bad playoff run. A lot of those bad habits that were there for the previous years and looked like they had developed

over this season and gotten better as he makes that all start a leap. Kind of coming out to shine a little bit. It kind of feels like you're starting to see a little D'Andre Aden syndrome. It looks so bad to the points of where I'm looking at you, Jalen Duren, who so far, no, you're not even at the prime of your career. You're just entering it.

But I'm looking at you. And I don't know what the difference between you and Kendrick Perkin is at his prime. A pledge of Kendrick Perkins to defend the win way, way better at his prime. Offensively. Yeah, well, that's the thing. The defense isn't there. So if you're going to be Kendrick Perkins on offense in this playoff series, at least Kendrick Perkins was body people in the post.

It was a great defender at the room in his prime. He can't even grab boards. Wow. And it's weird because, like, he just looks like he's not polished. And I didn't feel like I watched him the regular season and felt this is a guy that relies only on muscle and being bigger and stronger than people.

Like I said, early in the season especially, he was pulling out mid-rage buckets after doing hesy tweens and all this stuff. He had been seemingly better defensively this season, made that leap. Maybe it's a Shankoon syndrome or last year we said that because he's surrounded by elite defenders. So we're like, oh, I guess he can be part of a good defense.

I guess he's better. Maybe it was just naturally, you're playing with the Saar and Holland and all these guys and rising ties with at all boats in terms of Jayland Duren's defensive, just reputation. Maybe it came down to Earth and we're seeing the real him being attacked. I don't know, but it's perplexing to say the least. I mean, you're still playing with those guys. I know.

You know, so it's like, they're still on the team. So the drop off shouldn't be this start. It shouldn't be. Yeah. What do you take away from it, though? Because like, he's a play finisher big. Like, it's not like, it's different when a guard playoff drops because you're expected to create. So you're like, oh, he can't create against good defenses.

I guess he's a mouse. what do you take away from a big man who's just not being effective down low as a finisher? You try to get people calling you name. That's what happens. If you're a guard, if you're a guard and you drop, it's like, okay, you're a mouse. If you're seven feet tall and you don't do it, then at that point, whether you're in the NBA or not, everybody looks at you. When you're seven feet and you can't hoop, and they're like, bro, you waste a hide. Big for no reason.

That's the only thing that people are going to say about Jail and Jail and you. If there's two outcomes that can happen in the off season, which is one, he signs for as much money as possible. And everybody says, wow, completely overpaid, does not deserve that contract. Or he gets a contract that's probably a little bit lower and more in line with the performance that he's put on throughout this postseason. If people say, Dan, you lost yourself millions of dollars. So the only way that he can come back from this legitimately is to play the exact same way

that he was in the regular season and have a continued stretch. And he has to hope that the Pistons get out of the series. He should probably be one of the reasons that they do get out of this series. And yes, and I hope. Yeah. Just put some action down. The, we, you've had two series now where you've played poorly. You need to counteract that with two good series.

And that's, that's really the only thing because when you get to the point where you literally are asking, is he big for no reason? Like, did he get too, too muscular? Is he too strong? Right? Just that thought. is kind of crazy that you can have that kind of advantage. And I don't know what to take away from it for in terms of like long term

Jalen Durenstock. Right now, bare minimum, I think long term, like there's just so many like worlds and universes that we can hop into and see him elevate his game. But for right now, the quickest thing that he can do is just be more aware, you know. Don't let, don't roll to the, don't roll to the rim half-heartedly be aware of what's happening behind you on defense. also whenever you do have an opportunity to score really put your chest into somebody there was a play in the i don't know if it was in the fourth quarter or probably early in the third but there was a play

where he had evan mowgli banged down on him like twice spun on him and laid it up easily or maybe dunked it i don't remember but it was it was a strong impressive finesse finished move and that's the the jellandurin that i'm used to seeing in the regular season that's the jilland durn that averaged like nineteen seventeen points in the in the regular season made the all-star team all-n-nbba player and i feel like only see that maybe, what, three times a game, three times a game across, like, effort on all areas of the floor. Just be more aware. That's the biggest thing.

Yeah, and that's probably the actual answer to what has been the biggest issue is awareness. And you mentioned effort on the boards. And that's the kind of type of verbiage everybody kind of puts, especially to big men. When you're doing good, everyone's like, he's not trying. He's trying. He's in a blunder. Things move fast.

Things are hard in the playoffs. And sometimes, especially the guy like him who's even younger than you, think being in year four obviously came into the league as the youngest player in his draft class first time he's been there in these intense environments and ship moves fast your head starts spinning you're you're asked to do a lot as a big man and especially a star big man that is tasked with two-way responsibilities and two-way expectations of stars on both sides of the ball sometimes it takes a while to adjust to that he it can't be like it can't be like this and you've had everett in his first playoff series or first run against the maves he was in a blunderer too but this is not his first

series though he played that sure sure but he wasn't a star I don't know if it's a different. I don't know. Like, he wasn't asked to a score. If he did this last year, nobody would care. It would just be like, oh, Jayland Duren is not here yet. So, you know what I mean? But, like, the whole team, the whole team was there in, like, in terms of intense games and intense environments. And if we're talking about just, like, the awareness and knowing where to be in certain situations, every game in that Nick series was going down to, to the wire. And they had, he takes more than six games for him.

I don't know. And he needs two runs. Maybe, but I, I think the interesting part, too, is like the types of players that he's seen over this playoff run are completely different like Winder Carter Jr. is completely different

than Evan Moby and he's completely different than Jared Allen. And so at this point it really doesn't matter what the matchup is you're in a blender. And that's the,

that's the crazy part is that I can't look at what's happening to Jalen Derry and right now and be like, oh yeah, whenever he's met with other just strong physical players

like Winderter Jr., he can't, He can't perform. Yeah. No. It's Epimoblius, Jared Island. And so I do think, yeah, he's going to have to figure something out. Also, we do have to note, Assar Thompson was fouled as hell last night.

Oh, yeah. They should, they, like, he should have had an opportunity to make a free throw to win the game. But should have been in that position where you have to hope for a foul off of a defensive play because you choke the game away. But they, they did get kind of messed up right there. Yeah. And again, like we said, series is up three to now, Cavs. one game away from the conference finals, which we're talking about this in one of our group chats

as we're watching the series. I've never seen a series that one team will be in the conference finals, will be four wins away from a finals birth, and I'm left so fucking unbelievably uninspired by both teams. I don't care who wins in a series. Neither one of them feel like serious contenders to me

in this moment, including the Cavs, who again are one win away. So props to them getting out the mud in a very tough series that before this series happened, we did our preview, we said, I'll speak for myself, I don't remember what y'all said. I don't really know what to predict in the series. I think it's probably going to go seven.

It can go either way based on what happens in the game seven. But these teams are so evenly matched and so evenly flawed that I'll say Pistons in seven because they have home court advantage. They deserve a little more benefit of the doubt, I guess. But it truly can go either way. I feel exactly the same so far in the series. I've learned nothing to feel confident in either team based on how I felt before the series. The only thing that I felt confident in is like,

you know, Max Streis is going to show up and he's going to play with like the highest intensity and he's going to give his all and be sick like the top hustle three and d player you can think of and that's the only thing that's been like that i've like hung my hat on i feel good about when it comes to leaving cavaliers outside of that i don't like shit that i'm seeing for what you mean neither i just keep saying that like if the nix don't make the finals they're frauds and we need to blow it up they better dominate both these teams yeah so again we'll see what happens by the time we get to mondays episode this year this will be over game six is tomorrow on friday and game seven it's Sunday. Not much to say other than we'll see. They've got to roll the ball out and see who out

executes in the fourth quarter because that's kind of what every game has come down to. Game six specifically is going to be super interesting because like James Harder had a very good game in game five. D. Mitch, at least shooting wise, especially from the three point line, was not there. And after the game, they asked James Harder about it. And he was like, well, you know, you saw what he just did last game. Like he was tired out to come out here, like pick up a slight. It's like, he was tired. Tired. You had 36 hours.

Like, if DeMitch does come out in game six and even game seven and is not shooting well from from the three point line or is having one of those games where it's just, you know, 19 points, 20 points, then that's, that's exactly where Detroit needs them to be so that they can, that they can get back. And because then if DeMitch is having all that, now we start getting into game six. game seven James Hardin. You're hoping that one of those games can happen and you can win this series. But the way that Detroit is closed game five and some of even just a way throughout the series that they've been closing games where they've had leads and they felt like you felt like they've had control and all of a sudden Cleveland hits two shots and they'll allow them right

back into the game. I don't feel confident that Detroit can go out and smother them. And the cast have to lose. at home in this playoff run in the first series every single game won chalk this game we just saw was the first one in this series that's a road team one so i don't feel good if i'm a pissons fan right now at all to be able to go into cleveland and win you can't you can't you guys came back from a three one three one uh deficit in your last series you're down three two again and franz got hurt in the first one yeah yeah i don't see mowgli get hurt right now i don't see hard and get hurt right

you know. Yikes, man. Yeah. Yeah. That's the season. But again, it's not over. No, back since the wall, they can come out when game six.

If you get through game seven, like we said, anything can happen. So truly no one's out of it yet, or no one's secured it yet. But that knows, finished the grades for the series. I think Kate gets a clear A, right? Yeah.

The burden that Kaye's been shouldering and especially as a score, Cade's obviously a fantastic player, has never had a season of his career in which he's like an above average efficiency score. And still isn't in this series, but he's exactly what they need in this playoff run,

where in the playoffs so far, only 21% of a shots are coming at the rim. That's down from 32% in the regular season. And in the playoffs setting, when teams are going to wall off the rim, say none of your role not going to get there, we don't respect your shooters, we're going to throw a gap help at you in every which direction. You're going to have to beat this as a score because you're not passing a nobody that's going to do anything.

So your elite playmaking is going to mean nothing. You have to get tough buckets from the mid-range, attacking mismatches, over tough defenders. He's done that so unbelievably well. It kind of feels similar to what we talked about were Brunson in the past couple of years, where they threw tons of different coverages that you, none of it was easy. None of your supporting cast was really elevating you.

And you just came out there and got difficult self-created shot after self-created shot. We know that's like the recipe for being a playoff riser, quote unquote. Cade's done that exactly as well as you could hope. He's been, and yeah, he's done this for this series, for last series. Yeah. And it feels so repetitive because every time we come up here and talk about a Piston series. And especially after a Pistons loss, we're just like, man, Kade's overtax. He's doing he has to carry this.

He has to carry that. But he's been doing, like you said, everything that they. that they need him to do. Yeah. It's a very easy. While still being a good defender, defending Pablo last series for a lot of reps, still doing very good a job on both sides of the ball.

Yeah, he deserves an A, this is an outstanding playoff performance room. Aside of him, like, averaging the most turnovers or whatever, that's for reasons where I'm like, okay, your team is clearly overtaxing. But aside of that, like, the leap that he's been making in terms of just like his straight up, tight contested jump shots and how he's operating with poise.

Bro, last year, he finished the next series shooting like what 17% from the three point line it was bad it was so bad he saw like 42% from the field it was not pretty at all but he did as much as he could do at that time for a player who was going into was what fourth year in the league at the time when entering the playhouse for the first time he just feels like all the tight corners and all like the super contested jump shots that he's been taken is stuff that bold you to be a top top what 10 player in the league for a long ass time so 42% of three right now That's tough.

That's a week. Need that. Need that. And every time we see the stretches of Cape being a crazy score, it's because that three point shot is going in, which is the case for a lot of scores who hover around leak average efficiency, but high volume with that type of role. Usually when they have their best stretches because the three point shot is going in.

Glad to see it happened during the playoffs when it matters most. Yeah. And also the mid-range shot is going in a decent rate too. She's 44% from that territory as well. Yeah. Shout to him. Yeah. James Hardin.

For the playoffs overall. been up and down. He's had some bad games where he looks very old. Looks very 36 years old and can't get by some very tough defenders. But the last two games

especially has came clutch when his team needed him, has had plenty of good games throughout the first two series. I think the scoring up and downness of it all is kind of understandable given the fact that he's 36

the playmaking has been there. We're going to get the demitch after this. I'm not giving him a great grade and there's still where they are one win away from a conference finals. I think I'm going to give James Harden like a B plus,

maybe A minus if you want to convince me. No, that's too high. No, I can't go A minus. You're right. He is old, but like earlier in the year, there was talk of him being an all-star back when he was with the Clippers and how he was averaging like, what, 25. Now the 25 wasn't mad efficient. But going to seeing that to all the way we're here now and what it's May and seeing how

it was scoring as naturally tailed off. He's not getting to them at all. He wasn't. It's not like he was before either. But I think the, again, decision-making. and just how at times the playoff stuff is just the normal stuff we've been talking about for over the last 10 goddamn years.

I can't give him a A. I'll be damned. I can't give him a B either. I'll be damned twice. You can give him a B? Fuck no, I can't give him. They're one way from conference finals and D. Mitch has been

mouse-like in nature for a lot of these games. And I know the efficiency isn't amazing for James Hardin, which is why I will give him an A either. I was just testing the water, see what y'all thought. But I'll give him a B firmly. The command he's had over these games, especially these late games, and the way that he's helped keep the ball on track

doing the point guard stuff that we know Dimitin Mubley won't do. He's been insanely valuable to allowing this team to be where it's at. I think I'm probably like a letter grade below you. So I'm probably around B minus to C plus. I can maybe get up to a B minus

if. Do you all the outright negative perception in James Hardin's playoffs before? In this series. No, I think B minus. We're doing the whole playoffs. Yeah, B minus a C plus. It's pretty, it's positive.

It's not, it's not overly negative. I can get to. to, I can get to B plus, especially if you look at it and say, hey, Darius Garland probably wouldn't be here right now, right? There's Garland probably, like, in the last couple years, has not been available for this team. And James Hardin, regardless of anything, he will be out on the floor. And his presence does give them some more, some more creation, some, somebody else who can dribble the ball so that you are not getting, you know, these, these wild, like, D. Mitch 38 shot attempt games where, where the clip is.

being unloaded. And there is some positive to that. And I do think that some of the ways that they've closed games is good. There's just been a couple games where he has shrunk down a little bit, especially, you know, shooting-wise. And for those reasons, that's why I'm keeping it a little bit more neutral. I'm not going to go, you know, all in and say a minus or anything like that. Yeah, I'll go be. But again, he's been their offense.

He's floored their offense. On-off numbers are crazy. He's still pretty efficient for the series, shooting like crazy from three. I see no reason to harp on him when we'll get to the other stars now. Dimish, I'm giving him the firmest of C-minuses. And it would maybe be a little lower, but in this series he's had a couple games, or multiple games now where the scoring has course corrected and he's put up good numbers. I think it was game four.

What was the game where he had crazy scoring? It was three. Four. Yeah, it was four. Yeah, killing a third in the second half. Yeah, 30 second half, killing him from Florida range. It was a beautiful touch up and down the court. The reason he has to do a lot of floaters,

it went in this game. He's not getting to the room at all in this playoff series. At any elite level that could drive good offense, the playmaking hasn't been there. There's been so many games where his process that got just bogged down by these big lengthy defenders running switching defenses on him that he's not creating any opportunities for others

at the level you'd want from a top 10 player in the league. His deficiencies almost make me look at James Hardin in a brighter light now. That's so crazy, yeah. You said, you said, you know, Those are the things that you want from a top 10 play in the league. He's not a top 10 player. I agree.

But from people who would say that, I think he's not 15 still. So even then, like him playing back to his level and I was good to see. There's been a lot of moments that it hasn't been that. So he gets a seat to me for this playoff run. Yeah, I'll go see. I think the inconsistency is on full display. And he can show you that he can still have moments where he can go out and go crazy and score 39 and a half.

And you're like, oh my goodness. Like, are the Cavs actually going to do it this year? Like, is everything clicking? and then you have other games where, you know, a tour date pops up. And so it's a goddamn tour dates. Always. Yeah. I think I will go feel like you.

I want to give him a D. I don't feel like confident or aspired by his performances. Like yes, yeah, he does have these random games where he does search for like 30, 33 and he shoots like, he hits like six threes in a game. But like outside of that when I'm watching him, there's just so many moments where I'm just like, wow, I wish you would like pass the ball right now. I'm like, wow, I wish like your late game office wasn't just simply, okay, me and it's harder, and then there's everyone else.

And I don't know, maybe it's like a coaching thing. I don't like ding him too much when it comes to not being able to get to the rim as much because, you know, it is a playoffs. It is harder to do so when he's a smaller guy. And I think over, it feels like over the last few games, he's been getting there a little bit, a little bit more often compared to what it was for the rest of the series. And the free throws are coming along with it, too, which is a good sign. I guess that he's course-directed.

Exactly. That's why we're not giving him a D, but for a lot of playoffs. You're right. It has been an issue. You know, for that, that's why I bump him up to a C right now. He went to the line six times last night, 15 times a game before that, which is fucking insane. And he's been trending up, but it still isn't pretty. Yeah, 7.4 floater range shots a game in these playoffs. That's a lot.

9.3, 3 point attempts, which is good to see, the 3 point volume. But the floater range dependency, give it and take it the way. Sometimes it aren't going to fall in. Sometimes it will. You score 30 and a half, which is great. So this isn't like Demich sucks. The reason they're losing games or whatever. it's just for the expectations of somebody who gets considered a top 10 player to a lot of people,

it's been too up and down for me. Yeah, yeah, I agree. The inconsistencies are just disgusting. And even the late game stuff with Hardin, like, they're disgusting brothers. Whenever, like, their late game offense is literally, okay, James Hardin, step back to be concessant. Is it going to go in? I don't know. Are you going to get a call?

I don't know. That's all it is. And he hit the other night. But is he going to hit for game six? Yeah, I think for me, I feel like that's a part of the reason. reason why y'all are low. Y'all are smelling a shitter incoming. From who?

James Hardin. This is the point in the series where real shit or shit. So I don't know. We won't see what these guys are made of. It's shitting season. You call this part. This is ice spice territory now. We're ready.

James Arden's on the radar. Big poopie. Yeah. Big poopie. On the way. Okay. Let's move on to the second playoff series that's still going on before we rattle through the rest of stars.

Spurs versus Timberwolves. Game five happened two days ago. Victor Mourgama comes back after being suspended for all the game four are ejected in the first quarter, basically suspended for the game. Did not get suspended for game five, which I think is a good thing. I don't think we need to fill it. See the series decided by that, right? Came on that first quarter, and I think Carmelo Anthony put it most eloquently on TV.

He said this is Victor Momeniama's apology to his teammates. And that's exactly what it felt like, because he came out on fucking fire, dominating on both sides of the ball to get 12 first quarter points. another master class for Victor Womeniama Yeah I Yeah it was

It was I don't know You know I'll just go With my grade For the Mn A man What can we do Why are you bearing the lead

Oh yeah For this playoff run Absolutely Yeah it's It's an A The only like That that Obo I think

Now listen Had they Had they lost game 5 That's an A minus B plus Because it is Especially now That OKC has wrapped it up You know

I better I better close this thing out Yeah You need your rest because they're over there just chilling. And these series are going longer and longer. But in the first series against Portland, they couldn't do anything against him. And then even now the amount of just defensive help that Wembe is able to give everybody and the plus 10 attribute that he can give to everybody on defense because, you know,

I can be as aggressive as possible because he's behind me. And if I make any mistake, it's going to be cleaned up. And to go up against, up against Ant who's dealing with his knee injury, to go up against Julius Randall, who's having one of his worst playoff series, really ever. Really? He's disgusting. Be sure when you say that, because there's a lot of stinkers. It's one of them.

Okay. He's not playing well. Top three? I will bet. Maybe. I'll say top two. Maybe. I'll check that right now.

This is a big sample size here. We've got to be sure. I think so. I think especially especially looking at what the team needs from him right now, the ability that we saw

Julius Randall last year played very well in the playoffs and we were sent up here saying look the first two playoff runs he went into a playoff series with Alfred Payton as his point guard and RJ Barrett and Derek Rose was on that team. You know, mind you, like 2020

Derek Rose, we're looking at that version of Julius Randall in the playoff series and then we're looking at another version where he went into the playoffs dealing with the ankle injury. Maybe he's just had really, really hard circumstances. And the one time that he's been in a very, you know, neutral situation, he can play well. And he did that last year. And so now we get to this year.

And whether it be in the Denver series or it be in this series, he has not played his best consistently. And that is a problem. So I will say for this series, it is one of his worst. Okay. Let's jump ahead then. What are you guys great in Julius Randall's playoff runs? For Julius Randolph runs. Give him Julie Randall a D.

If you think it's his worst playoff, why don't you give him an F? I'm not going to say, this is not his worst playoff run. He's out of the Knicks stuff. Obviously, you hit that on the money. He shot first spot off from the Knicks. He was 29% from the field. They were triple team in him. And that is why I give him the grace for that one.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And he was like hurt two as well, if I remember correctly. Second pair of playoffs, he was with the Knicks. It was 37% from the field, 25 from 30. It was absolutely disgusting. But outside of that, going back to what you said, yeah, he had that run last year. And then we have what we have this year. Even in the Nugget series, he wasn't even necessarily playing really inspiring.

Oh, my God, Julius Randall, basketball hoops is here in its peak at all. Overall, for that series, he shot just 43% from the field. And he averaged like 19 points. He's like solid. It's decent. But he's playing down to his standards, you know. And again, it is the playoffs and things are tougher and harder. But against, like, a team like the Denver Nuggets who is just free eats all day on defense, you know,

it's not really not necessarily the best. So I think overall I'd give him like a C. I really want to give him a D. Honestly, he deserves a D. He deserves a D. Like if we say C, we're giving him like a passing grade. I don't think we can give him a passing grade for this for this run. Yeah.

I think, I think, and we saw a little bit of the, of his scoring drop towards the end of the regular season, especially with his three point shot falling. And as his, as the three point shot falls and you know that, okay, we're not going to get peak peak julius randle what else can we get and aunt hasn't been out here like in in a lot of these games and even now the first game that he came back he looked he looked well he had him played in two weeks he was off but now that we're getting into this like every other day cadence and you're really seeing the the mileage of having a runner's knee in one knee and then hyper-extending the other yo you have to step up it it cannot fall on jada macdaniels to come out here and

start scoring 30 we can't rely on the aisle to start doing all these things and I just think that he hasn't performed up to the levels that he would want for himself, that the wolves need for him. So, yeah, I'll probably go deep. Maybe have. What we do with Anthony Edwards? His numbers aren't good. Understandable.

Came into the playoffs, like you said, with the runner's knee, hyper-extended his other knee. Before the first round, we thought he'd missed time, came back for game one, played through it, was very visibly playing through it, does not look anywhere close to 100%. Still shooting his ass off, despite that, despite not being able to slash like he once did. mixed back, right? Because it's like understandable that the scoring isn't great. Now, the 2.8 assists at 2.4

turnovers, maybe we're glossing over. I don't know if that's something we still hold him accountable for if we're not necessarily even trying to play make like that when there's no point guards in the roster. I don't know if you want to take issue with that part of his game.

What is there to really say when you know he's not 100%? Should we get to curve? Definitely. He definitely gets a curve. But we also definitely can't give him like an A or anything. I mean, A for perseverance.

Yeah, exactly. A is out of discussion for me. But I think I'd give him a solid it be because like he's doing what great players do once your athleticism is like down no something noticeably by at least like 25 to 30 percent with all the stuff he's with all the stuff that he had to endure and he's still finding ways to be effective and in really like certain moments you can see like he has burst but he's really like it like it really is laboring on him to shoot like that throughout the entirety of the of this series specifically i think i'll give him a

B. Yeah, probably I'll go B too because I just think like he's out there and he's trying and especially for this team right now if he wasn't if he wasn't out there their entire depth is cooked. Yeah.

And they have absolutely nothing. And so the fact that you can give them you know, 20 something minutes a night, 30, 30 whatever minutes is like, okay. Is he showing Wamba mentality? Loki. Loki. low key it's part of it's not all the way but you know

he's out here a little bit yeah momba Jason yeah mama just full mom would be like I don't care what my knees are doing I'm taking 35 shots tonight well thank God he's not show my mentality then never mind fuck that shit you're 35 shots tonight this series would be over in five mind you my seeing the way other people are playing wouldn't mind it

wouldn't care too much it's better than random hoops maybe I guess Yeah, I'm going to shout out to him. Shout out to him for being here, playing through all this, doing the best he can. Is that good moments? They had a victory in the series that pretty much came because he exclusively closed out Spurs in the late game. Really, it was both wins.

They had the series. You kind of did that in the fourth quarter. Game won a little bit less so, but it was a game four they won. It was kind of like him closing out by himself. Pretty heroic to do that through the injuries. So B is more than fair. Yeah, I agree. I think this is right now for the Timber was a moment where Tim Colleen and all these guys in the front office look themselves in the mirror,

and they see this spurs team, which is probably the worst that they're going to be for the next few years, considering how young these guys are. Deeringr and Fox is still decent and solid. Moves are going to be made. And this is going to be the last series that we see Julius Randolin. Yeah. All right. Speaking of potential moves are going to have to be made if you ask Twitter.

Yeah. Deeran Fox. We did our preseason, or not preseason, postseason leadups, a bunch of different episodes talking about a bunch of different playoff conversations, right? one of the episodes, we put every single star into a bracket based on how much pressure

they had on their shoulders heading into the playoffs. Now that pressure could be because you're the face of your franchise, it's time for you to win, because you're playing for a contract, whatever it might mean. For Deeran Fox,

he got to the finals of our pressure bracket because we knew after they traded for him they proceeded to draft Dylan Harper, but we all think it's going to be a superstar in this league.

Sealing of a top 15 player. So we knew every game is a proof of a game for Deer and Fox. I should say every postseason and run is a prove it postseason run. It's prove they still need him. Prove that he's the best allocation

they can do with that $60 million. Everybody's looking saying they don't need you. He said $60 million, oh my God. And it hasn't kicked in yet. Fuck, man. So how does he responded? 18.6 points per game. 5.5 assists, 2.1 turnovers.

1.2 steel, still defending very well. 30% from 3 and 52% true shooting. It's been up and down, I said the least. There's been some good moments, some good late games where he's very important, as expected. I've always been a defender. of his role in this team because I thought

it's good to have good players to have multiple guards that can give you great rim pressure for 48 minutes a night there's been plenty of times where it proves that it is necessary

to have that for this team construction right? Plenty of games especially once where Victor Mianama does not play where he does not grow

into a bigger role that you'd expect with no Vic. He looks better with Vic on the court which that blows over the door to the question of

is he the right guy for them long term how do you guys feel about this whole equation? Ooh, man. Big conversation. I am grading on a curve. What's the curve?

Damn. Oh, wow. Only because for Deeran Fox, the sole objective, for you personally, no team accomplishments should be, at the end of this run, there should be no question that this team needs me to be on this roster. And I feel like in this moment and going into, if he continues to play the way that he's playing,

once we get to the end of the season and once we get to the offseason, we are still going to have the same question that we had at the start of last season, which is, is Deere and Fox genuinely needed? You know, like, are we, are you, is your spot on this team solidified? I don't feel like he's, like he's done that.

And, and honestly, he's probably done more to hurt his standing only because like you said, the two games that Vic missed, he hasn't shot well. The, the three games that they, again, the three games that they've lost on postseason. But the games where they have lost, he has not shot well. And it's not like he's like he is providing crazy spacing either.

His shooting from the three point line is very inconsistent. And when it's bad, it's very bad. And so I'm looking at, I'm looking at Stefan Castle. I'm looking at Dylan Harper takeover games, driving, driving to the room, getting there whenever he wants. I'm looking at the defense that those other two provide. And I'm asking Deer and Fox, like, Yo, can you solidify your spot?

And I don't feel like he has. And so that's the only reason why I'm saying, obviously he's played better than that. But for that specific reason, it hasn't been a great run. Yeah. I'm perplexed by Darren Fox in these playoffs. He had a good regular season.

He started off with a very bad slump, obviously shooting-wise, couldn't buy a three. Was that normalized? He had a good regular season, especially in the time Wemby was gone. In these playoffs, he's shooting 30% from three,

which comes and goes, cold shooting. He's not like he's some knockdown, lethal shooter where we had the expectations he has to shoot 4B73. I can understand why he'd have a cold shooting stretch

for a playoff series, right? At the room, he's shooting 54%. Yikes. He's been a mid-range specialist and defense has been pretty good for his role in these playoffs,

which doesn't have no value. It's important to do that. I don't watch him and feel like he's like a shell of himself athletically. I watch him and I see a guy who's made the concerted effort to build out his game as a jump shooter to mitigate as he ages

to not be so relying on and room pressure knows that as the years go on, need to shoot more. And I almost wonder if he's like two in his head with that. And it's kind of like mentally deprioritized room pressure too much. Actually, no, I do know he did that. Clearly, he's done that.

I wonder, my question is, I wonder if that's for everything or if he can get back to that because he's not getting any younger. I don't know what the answer is. But for him to provide max value and be great for this team, he needs to get the room pressure that Dylan Harper is doing right now. Yeah. As we expect him to do. You say that and like the casual basketball fan would be like, damn, bro, like, that's

tough. Deering Fox must be like 30, 32 years old trying to save his knees and all that. Oh, he's 28. And he hasn't endured major lower body injuries. So I don't understand why. Again, I mean, we interviewed him. I asked him about this about the balance between getting to the rim and jump shooting because year prior he hadn't got to the rim very much.

And I was kind of fishing towards like, is that going to change? And he was like, you know, he's got to bounce on my game and yada yada yada. Where the answer kind of seemed like, I'm not worried about it. It's what I need to do, which I didn't love to hear. And now we're seeing it continue to be a problem. I don't know what to do. with that because he doesn't see he's still fast as fuck right yeah why would he is his vertical not what it once was as he gets older sometimes that happens without injuries i don't know

it's weird to be in this stage of his career and look like the same type of issues that you see with the player as if they went through an acl injury or something yeah i think the spurs would be much better off and he would be better off too if he had that same type of aggression towards the rim and i just i can understand wanting to build out your game fairly around the around the um on the three-point line at times and especially I'm like around the mid-oriented shooting will from there at least not that many attempts per game because he's one of those guys who just like dances all around and always just like is unpredictable and that's one of the positives about his game that's why the spurs offense works because there's certain things that dylan harper ain't sohn can't do just yet but a lot of people are calling we're calling his name earlier in the year so because like they just don't think he's necessarily worth his contract and now it'll see the conversation has gone even more seriously because harper is fucking he's here, you know, and the way he gets to the rim and how he's able to assert himself in so many ways offensive, even without having the ball, meaning how tenacious he is getting to the room,

grabbing rebounds, keeping possessions alive, and all that is like, invaluable. Meanwhile, like Fox is just like, he's being very, like, mediocre for his standards of what we know he can be. I think I don't, I want to go as far as giving him an F, but I feel like he definitely deserves to get like a D borderline like C minus. Yeah, I'll do C minus as well. Because he's no bit of a valuable player, like I said, still defending well at the point of attack. 49% from Florida range on seven attempts a game. That's a legit weapon. You have a big downloads and get a lot of attention drawn towards him.

And it's been a weapon in late games, right? So he's still playing like a good player. But again, for other conversations we know, for the curve Donovan's grading on, I understand it because 60 million. You got to be what you used to be where you're driving the hill and being rim pressure. You have the best five out spacing center. Maybe we'll ever see in terms of the attention that victim woman Yama draws as a role man and a three-point shooter to not have career numbers getting to the rim it's kind of

crazy yeah it shouldn't be like this now i think part of it is coaching too though because we talk about in the course of the year they have those two other guards so they're kind of making them a shooting guard and saying put the ball in their hands because we know you can play off ball more i wonder if that contributes nevertheless though the results of the results yeah you still have to even then you still have to shoot better than 32 percent from three like that that's to be a little higher so also especially you when you have had years of prioritizing your shot over getting like down here every single time i that's where it's like i would like that to be a little bit better than what it is right now to close out of rita gober a who shut the fuck down out of nicoly yokic had a very good job against

vick in certain times ridy gober this is a career master class for you in this playoff run yes yeah what do you mean this is damn near like feels it feels like it should be like career defining going against nicole yowicz and now wimby who Assume we will be like one of the greatest centers of all time. You're doing your thing, big Rudy. I let it. Salute. Good job.

Big Rudy. Big Rudy. Never the little one. Sometimes. Occasion of the little one. At times has been the little one. Okay. So those are the two Timberwolves and Spurs and then Casvers Pistons, the two series that are still going on right now.

We'll see. Who ends up in the conference finals? Let's talk about all stars and series that are already over. Let's start with the OKC Thunder. What are you guys? grading Shea Gildos Alexander's playoff runs so far. In the first round, he averaged 32 points your game on like 67%

true shooting, masterclassing as the Suns. Yes, Hill Lakers series, and J.J. Redd pulls out extremely aggressive coverages. First two games, he barely shoots the ball, does good job playmaking. Third game, they mix it up and don't double team every time, and he has his worst playoff game of the series, which doesn't perform well for his standards

at all, and then the closeout game comes out and drops a lot of scoring, does a great job. Where does that lend you guys overall? I think I'd give it an A-S. Oh, we're going to. Yeah. Like, to his own standards, maybe this is like a B plus because he's just like that historic of a guard.

The standard that he set himself up for is like ridiculous. But I get this in A overall. The three point shooting is very, man, which is known to be in the postseason. But overall, like whenever OKC or whenever like seems like the Lakers and J. Reddick are blitzing him and throwing like 80 different coverages at him every single possession at the fucking four, it is like. Some of the warts of his game are still there. But overall, like, he's pre-respondent to as well,

even when he does not have the fucking ball on his hands. When he's doing defensively still always gets like overshadowed to because how especially he is. So, that is an A-so. If the Lakers series was the only series, then it by, okay, see, he's had some bad games for MVP standards. He bullets the Sons, destroyed the Sons. Look at the numbers on screen.

Despite the slow games against the Lakers, 29 points, seven assists, three turnovers, which is too high for his standards. Still over a two-to-one assist turnover ratio. and 63% true shooting is his playoff dropping, that's fucking crazy. That's like 6% over league average for the playoffs. That's still amazing. It's still an A.

In most of those games, when he wasn't scoring well against the Lakers, he was still playing extremely well, allowing everybody else to go off next to him because of two bodies he's drawing every time. There was one bad game, two decent games, one great game, and four great games against the Suns. That's an easy A. Yeah. Still at almost a still game, basically a block of game.

We're late. Yeah. He's good. This is a rock bottom in terms of perception. And I do love it on Twitter Everybody like You can't really like hate on those Thundher because they keep winning games

So all they have is to be like He's a playoff dropper Historical playoff dropper actually What? People have been saying that? Yeah on Twitter everyone like No, shit everyone hates on them It's part of the crown so It is what it is

But yeah people are definitely dying to find a reason Once they start losing games If they say they lose two games against us Against the Spurs It'd be open season on Twitter Oh the same way that was last year Yeah So he better not

Better not. Better not have a six game series. Better not. Five and under. That's it. But yeah, A plus for Chet. I mean, not bad for Shay. Still A.

No, you're right. Yeah. A plus for Chet. I'll get in. Chad Holmber. What do we give Chet? A plus. Hell yeah.

This is, bro. Out of everyone on here, you guys have been Chet Truthers since basically day one. And I remember, I don't know if it was like summer 2020 or 2022 or 23. But we had like a power rankings, uh, power rankings, uh, power rankings video during the off season. And you ranked Chet Honggram like a top five, top five or top five or top five or seven in this position without even playing a game.

Obviously, we know like what your, what your actual message was behind that. But, yo, what was the actual message? He was hating on Rudy-O-Bair. Ah, yeah, that's what it was. He was overly hitting on Rudy. I thought you could say he was eaten. I actually didn't. I had, I had Chet and Wembe at 14 and 15.

I just said that they were upper half of the league centers. Before they play single game. Which was true. It was rude. And I stand by. Whatever, man. 18.6 points, 9.1 rebounds. 1.4 steals and 1.8 blocks

60% from the field 38% from 3 which is big that's been a big swing back for him these playoff runs 70% true shooting Listen man he's getting a lot of wide open looks and he's capitalizing he's not he's no longer missing easy bunnies that we've seen

him do last year and he looks like he's fully healthy he fully recovered from that hip injury which is fucking crazy that he endured that last year and bro he's just better in every single way I you're just playing as well as you can

if you're chat and I think even like we've we've seen moments of him this postseason where the scoring has really really been there where we're getting into like the mid-20s in scoring for a majority of the stuff you're getting a nice 16 19 but the way that he has

the way that he has scoring those 19 with the with the shooting sometimes even putting the ball on the floor there's also partly an a.J. Mitchell conversation where AJ Mitchell is also, you know, providing a lot of, a lot of the scoring and a lot of the creation and allowing Chet to really fall into to this role where he probably is. I would like to see Chet grow even more and have those like 20-point games a lot more consistently. If that's not going to be him, that's fine. You can be the absolute best shot block, or actually, not absolute best, because Vixie. But at that top, top tier of room defender, three,

point three point spacer mismatch attacker like you can do all of those things that he's been he's been fantastic so the 70% you're shooting that's that's insane and to have to have him and shame both of them playing at a plus there's a reason why they legit have not lost

the game this postseason yeah salute to them he's playing one of the best players in the playoffs right now if we were doing a rank in the best players like is he lower than fifth or six right now in the playoffs like the value he's providing is insane the big to big passing connections they have both ways with him at Hartnstein is good.

The rim finishing and the verticality he's getting because the hips healthy, like you said, is good. The spacing is good. Being able to do turnaround jumpers and give you occasional ball movement on the ground is good. Defense is obviously amazing. What else would you possibly want from Big Man that's playing next to high usage guards?

I can't. When you see someone like Shay get blitzed the way he did and average like four turnover of the game for that Laker series, you only have to ask someone like Chettoe, you have the ball, be decisive to attack the fucking room and hit the easy ones. Get a lot of, do a lot of the things.

easy dunker stuff dunker spot stuff he did that you know i don't want to i don't expect anything from say or from chet at all yeah like you said to be nice to see him get the 20 point for game stuff there's only so many bucks to go around so he's doing like the most of what he possibly could yeah a plus yeah it's all within the flow of the offense i like what they're doing right now i would hate to see it if they like force chet to sit down and back someone up or try to get some bag work shit off because he has that a part of his game but i wouldn't necessarily call that as like an outlier strength you know yeah and we don't have a j michigan mitchell in here he's not a star yet.

A plus. It's been a star coming out party. He's been one of those stories of the playoffs. They have a big four now. The young core seems like. Fuck all that. I'm calling him a star now, man.

Sure is an A plus for AJ Mitchell. I'm stamping my shit, bro. AJ Mitchell. Star power player has been there the whole time. Yeah, he's ridiculous. LeBron James. What do we grade his playoff run so far? He gets the Rockets out of here.

He's got a lot of credit for that. Controlled the game. Did a great job attacking mismatches and even attacking non-mishmatches, having to post up against like Tariese and Jabari Smith for a whole series. very physically taxing. Great job there. Like I said, managed the games

and was the biggest reason that they overcame and were able to beat the rockets as heavy, heavy underdogs. Guess the Thunder series obviously gets swept. Best team in the league

on the other end. Does a very good job to score. He's LeBron James. What do you do with this? 23 points your game, seven assists, 6.7 rebounds.

55% true shooting. Man. Probably, probably an A. He deserves an A. Yeah, not probably an A. He deserves an A. To scale up the way he did

and be like, you know the number one option and working off of and figuring out ways to maximize help maximize guys like market smart and get all the wide open looks and like actively like actively be one of the bigger pillars to them being barely escaping by the rockets and also giving your best fight for it against okay c it's admirable man respectable sweep you yeah yeah exactly it's admirable man yeah for me he's 41 years old i know some people up here don't like to think that's part of his standards, but it is a,

for a 41-year-old, third option that had to step in a bigger role. Yeah. In the OKC series, he shot 50% from the field, 36% from the three-point line, average 23, 6 and 6. So,

he did what he could do, you know? Yeah, what else could he do? Exactly. It's fine. Do you feel differently? No, I give him, no. I don't feel differently. All right, cool.

Just checking. Checking. Checking 10. Yeah. Not much to say is LeBron James. Austin Reeves, potentially a lot to say. Obviously came into the series off of an oblique injury, a injury that gives you a lot of rust in particular.

Two games against the Rockets. Against a huge athletic defense, didn't look the greatest. Comes into the second round against the Thunder. Game one was a fucking disaster. But by the end of the Thunder series, the last three games after game one, it was pretty good, especially in the last game.

It was pretty goddamn great. Kind of was grounding into form as the games went on, as you'd expect coming off an injury like that was warming up and getting better and better as the games went on. So there was some good, there was some bad overall mixed bag of 20 points, 5.8 assists, 25% from the 3,

which he was really forcing it early when he came back. 54.6% you're shooting overall. I don't really, I guess I don't care too much about the averages because we know who's coming off the injury. The real conversation with Austin Reeves is do you feel encouraged by his player performance, how he was able to respond to elite defenses,

especially to Thunder, the best guard defense maybe of our lifetimes. Do you feel encouraged going to this offseason, which you're going to have to give him $40 million a year. No, I don't. What? I don't, I wouldn't want to give him $40 million. Now, keep in mind, $40 million, makes you the 37th highest paid player in the league.

It's not as crazy as you think. We talked about this on Monday. There's people who are getting $40 million right now, who I also wouldn't have wanted to get $40. You don't feel like courage. You wouldn't want to pay him? Um, that different conversation would you, obviously that you would. Yeah.

But like, you wouldn't feel good about it. I think I wouldn't feel good. Forty's fucking fine to me. I don't, I don't think I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be running. into the bank to get the $40 million out to pay him. Okay. You know, like, I'm, I'm not overly... Yeah.

It's really like a, you know what? Sign this dude before I change my mind. Like, that's a bit much for me. I get the hesitation, but come on. This is, like, and I'm going to give him more grace this year than I, that I would have in previous years because of the, because of the injury. But it's just several years where I, I think. the end of the year, like, we just don't feel confident. And I'm looking at what, what, like,

LeBron was able to do scaling up and thinking about, like, okay, if we're paying you $40 million, we are legitimately building this team around you and Luca, and it's you two at the top of this team. Do I feel good that you are the second option that if Luca is out next year and LeBron's not here, that you can be the one? to scale up and really lead this team. I'm not sure right now. I'm a little bit unsure about that. The end of the series didn't move you?

He was looking pretty scaled up to me. He looked pretty comfortable to me. Yeah, 100% that. You could tell. As each and every game went on, he felt more healthy and more used to the physicality and even played through it. Damn, you're better than I've ever seen him play through.

And that's wildly impressive, considering how severe that injury was and how he only had two games of like warm up basically with the Houston Rockets. and he cools the series out shooting 10 for 16 from the field five for 13 and then that in that game four eight for 16 got to line all three of those games too yeah yeah exactly like that was pretty much like very normal austin reeve games compared to years prior where he just looks like a shell of himself and he looks like the smallest guy out there even though he's like

six five you know yeah but i'll always say defensively he's getting picked on as expected it's a thunder and turnovers were crazy you can't you get uh if you are if you are going to if you are going to going to build around somebody and you think that they can be like the number two option specifically if your number one is luca and you know that luca is not going to be this defensive stopper i would not love having this this back court of two guys who are not amazing defensively and one of them who you who you know we we have yet to see obviously there's reasons but we have yet to see a very consistent start to finish playoff playoff so like so it is it is tough like i'm not going to say this one was a inconsistent playoff run.

Like, because you can't say with the injuries knowing what we know. That is the whole story, though. He had six games, the first three were shit,

the last three were pretty good. That kind of makes sense. I'm not going to really hold this against them as an inconsistent playoff run. Again, because of coming off of an oblique injury. Now the turnover is also eight turnovers

in the last game, 5, 5, 4 for the rest of games in the Thunder series, that's a thunder defense stacks. They're going to, that's the thing where if you're not going to be Luca Donchin to that level of ball handler,

you're going to get turned over a lot. So that's a negative if you can point to you want. I attribute that to Thunder defense like I said But offensively I feel pretty Encouraged especially by game four Yeah first three games of the year or for the of the series Or not for the series

For the end his entire playoff run he shot like 30% From the field which is absolutely disgusting And he averaged like 15 points Last three games he shot like 50% from the field I believe Yeah 51% from the field And he averaged 25 Now we're talking about small sample sides either way

So it's not a ton of we can take away from three good games Or three bad games None of this will be like a deciding factor I mean game three wasn't amazing. Of course, it wasn't amazing. They get, we got swept.

None of these were amazing. Yeah, we're not saying it was amazing at all. But, you know, he looked better than the, he was one for five from three. That's why the pitch in season good. From two, he was all right. And again,

I'm not saying he lit this bitch up. I'm just saying there was, there was progression in the last three games that he looked more like Austin Reeves to use most of garbage. We'll get us a B. I did want to ask, like, how many back courts in recent memory

would y'all even feel comfortable paying Max's money? And both of those backcourt players are bad defensively. Do you consider Kyrie a good defender for the 2024 team? He's better than Reeves, but like, does that count? He Hardin and Kyrie, also Luca and Kyrie are the only two backcores offensively that I think are great enough to justify max dollars for both.

I just don't think Reeves is on that Kyrie level. He's not Kyrie, like obviously because he's Kyrie, so I don't want to say that. It's sacrilegious. He's not that far off in terms of like the archetype you want from the second star with the level he played this year, the efficiency he scored with Nekza Luca. Yeah. I don't think like there's just super different. 24 Kyrie specifically.

I don't feel like it's out of the round possibility that that duo can be just as good. I think he's far off for them to not give him a max, though. That's what I'm not. Far off or not. He's far off for that I'm not giving a Macs. What do you mean? Like, I think the gap between

the Kyrie that we're talking about and Austin Reeves right now, the gap is big enough to say, yo, we can't give Austin Reeves max money. Well, we keep saying max money. He's not getting max money. Max money these days like $60 million. He's getting like $40,000, probably.

Which is no longer max money. Like I said, that's a thing. 37th highest paid player in the league. That's not max money anymore. So we have a hard problem right now because the numbers rose up so fast that anything above 30, it's like, that's a max player. I would 100% give it to Austin Reeves and more so this is doing a lot for like Luca Donchis because Luca can make a lot of shit work.

But going back to two years ago in that series when Kyru's playing against Oaks, he only averaged like 15 points a game. He performed at least like worse than Austin Reeves. offensively. You know, defensively, I think Kyrie has, weirdly enough, he is better, he is more stout and he's stronger. But offensively, when it comes to

what you need whenever Luke who is not on the court and also, like, a certain, like, release valve. Guys who can give, guys who can, like, release a lot of pressure from you. Austin reasons is perfectly that. So I would, for sure, offensively. Yeah.

He goes up to that. And for these type of deals, that would be like $38 million than $40 to 42, that kind of escalating $40 million a year, that's what James Hardin currently makes that as a 31st highest, 31st highest paid player Michael Porter Jr. is on 38 and 40 at the 34th. Brennan Ingram is at 36, 3840, 41.

Lamella Ball makes about that, which I think Lamella Ball and Austin Reeves aren't very comfortable levels. Listen, he's saying all that. Like, the Hawks ain't fin to throwing $48 million, bro. You don't be sick. Keep them. Desmond Bain is around that too. That's kind of just the going rate for this type of player.

So, again, it sounds crazy because $40 million is a huge number. And six years ago, it would have been max money. It's nowhere close to max money. We all think Austin Ruiz is the top 40 player in the league. It's not offensive money at all. It isn't hamstring their team building abilities. They have as bird rights. They'll push them into the tax, which if they were to give them 50 or something like that,

and might make them close to a second-happard team. So that would be a problem. But I think the realistic conversation is 35 to 40, and even the high end at 40 isn't going to be some anchor to their team. Yeah, I agree. I'm up on Austin Reeves. We were asking for teams to trade from Dr. Porter, Jr. With what I've seen in the circumstances that he's faced,

yeah, I'm up on him. Yeah, for the whole season, I'm very up on him compared to where last year were. For the whole regular season, we know what he was doing before he got hurt, came back, delved injuries. Injuries is the story of this season. If he didn't deal with that first injury, which, what was it, a hamstring early in the year, than the oblique in the second half, if he didn't deal with that, we'd be talking about All-Star Austin Reeves, that if he played healthy, had a 26.5 point per game type of season, and this guy who proved to be this, now maybe he keeps getting injured.

I'm not to say that is something that you just write off. Maybe he's injury prone, we'll see. But there's way more good to take away from this year. and hopefully going forward, then there is bad. Yeah. Palinga got to be in his bag, man. Hey, they're hiring two assistant GMs, thank God. Yeah.

Thank God. It's not just his stupid ass making the decisions. He has to go to work because you've had two years now of, or I guess a year and a half of the Luca experiment. Reeves has elevated his game from the time that you got him to even now. and it's about the time where you have to start, you know, creating a contending team.

And so this is, this is that time for Polinka. It was the time this year, but they decided not to do anything in the deadline because the moves were in front of them. Everybody thought that they would be trained for an Andrew Wing as the deadline.

And this year would be the year they really contend. They punted it because they said, we'll do better next year. We don't like the options. I can understand that to some degree, but I can't understand anything other than amazing outcomes in the off season.

Yeah. Like, if you're going to punt, you better make sure you connect. Yeah, 100%. All right, let's move on to some more teams that have already been eliminated. Joel Embed, what do we grade? His playoff run. So weird. I think he's hurt. It's even weirder than Austin. Of course. I didn't want to give it a D, but I think he deserves it better than that. It's just so sad and devastating to see them get swept the way they did. And when he was there for, I believe, devastating. Sad and devastating. Yeah. No, the hell is not. Of course

it's not for you. I wonder why. I like to be known that I also was was not sad and devastated. I was slightly disappointed by the product we didn't get to see, but I was not sad nor devastated. I'm gonna get him a C. B, souls, were you sad or devastated? Um, no, I can't say that.

Can't say that. You're asking a wrong guy, man. That's a crazy verb. Joel and B didn't die on the court. I wasn't devastated. It does suck to see B Shelvin's self. It does suck. It was dramatic language, by see your point.

It is unfortunate to watch him have to hobble through and miss games and come back and just persevered through so much. I'll give him a B just off grading on a curve because we know his body is what it is. He persevered. He got to some, Celtics are about it here. That's nice to see. So actually for that, we give me a.

Nobody embodies that dog on the beach meme just digging through the sand more than Joe and B. It just feels so just like, man, he used to have it. Fuck. Dude, he gave us the Celtics, blowing it in the first. The Celtics lost in the first round. Have we really internalized that? They did blow three. The Boston Celtics, the two C, that we thought would be back in the finals, lost in the first round and blew a three one lead to one of their lifelong ops of Joel and Bede. Have we really took that in as how the whole?

hilarious as that is, A plus for dwelling B. Yeah. I've internalized, externalized. I've done everything when it comes to that conversation. You've reflected? Yes. Yes. I've gone on my media tour. You know, I've done my time. Have you put together

a seven-step plan to improve? To cope? Yes. Yes. He's lying. There's no seven-step plan. I haven't been eating lately, man. That's a part of the cope. Yeah. I, I, I'll go.

I'm losing weight. The body will be Tito. I'll go B. I think like obviously getting the sotics about the paint is the crowning achievement, honestly, in terms of like his playoff resume, it's at the top of the list. And there's that. There's the fact that he came off of the appendix surgery 18 days ago or, you know, prior to it to the series.

came in, played. I just, I have to go B because he, he genuinely was attacked. And like, and was the focal point of the next getting their game off was we are going to expose you, Joel and Bid, right now. And so that's very hard to

sit up here and say, oh, you get an A when you were very directly involved with the downfall of your team. I'm just wondering why you feel like you'd be rational right now. Let us glaze. Let us glaze in peace. See, none of us was talking about exes and those or what actually happened in the game.

We know the efficiency was league average. Let us glaze a little bit. Why? Love of the game. I don't know. Why? It's indeed, man. He gave us moments.

Funny moment. We know we can't stay here for a cat. Stop talking about it. We understand. I was raised by wolves. Yeah. Tiger's Maxie. What do we do with this?

Averaging 23 points per game, 5.9 assists, 2.1 turnovers. Shot 35% from the 3 point line. overall a 56% true shooting which again hovering around league average like a lot of these guys doing the playoffs up and down I think there's

there's games where especially I guess the Celtics took over late proved to be a guy who's growing into being the first option can manage games can close games has certain physical advantages that you can't game plan for and then OG and Ovi and McKellberg just walked through those doors

and things change real fast what do we feel about this I'll go I'll go B for B for Maxi I think they would definitely like the highs were super super high and when he was on it was like oh my goodness the sixers are going to be fantastic for the like their setup as soon as they can figure out a way to to get their team intact but there were a lot of games where when we start talking about you as the best guard

in the east when we start talking about you as an all an all-n-a player scaling up to be the one option like this is this is that line of can you go into a playoff series and not have nine for 23 games consistently. Can you go into a series and know that, like, you've been doing this the entire, the entire year. And shout to him, because he was playing 40 minutes the entire year, did it in the playoffs as well. But there are just a lot of, a lot of nights where three for nine,

nine for 23, six for 16, those are three of the four games in the next series. It just has to be better than that. Yeah. In the last series against the Celtics, I came up here said that, yo, like Tyrese, like, leveled up. And I still do feel like, He is much better than what he was last year. And he did level up in his own right.

But when it comes to leveling up to the case where we're talking about him as like potentially the best or second basketball, those conversations are not there at all. And he's still a couple steps, a couple steps away. He walked away from this Nick series. I guess how many three point three pointers he hit? Three. Yes. Precisely three. That's disgusting work.

That's nasty work. And for that to be, of course, like that's one of the pillars, one of the ear. important pillars of his game to see so many things get taken away and all that. It's disappointing. But, you know, Tyrese maxi at the end of the day, no one had expectations of them going to the conference finals or anything like that. We all know this team has limitations. So I'm going to give him a B.

Okay. Let's go over to the Knicks. Carl Anthony Towns. Averaging a hyper-efficient 17 points for game, 10 rebounds, 6.6 assists. They have morphed him into being Nicole Yokic in these playoffs, playing through him as a passing Hub doing basically the best version of Carleton's on offense and defense we've ever seen in year 11 of his career. We all think they're going to make the finals off the strength of cat revitalization.

Mike Brown getting the most of him. A plus plus. Listen man, the two games that they lost, they were treating him like he was Omair Osage, they figured out that they could hoop and since then, that he could really hoop and since then he never lost the game. The way he's been playing and how he's like really been turning things around defensively and being like really good positionally not doing I feel like he still does dumb stuff

But all the time Yeah, we're still, we're saying like three or four files a game Yeah, he's not gonna become a genius defender overnight But he's become good enough making plays 1.1 steals 1.5 blocks Very good production 2.8 turnover is a lot Because he handled the ball a lot

6.6 assist, that's a great ratio for a big Like it's been under talked about How much his passing has changed his team Like if they win a championship this year Or even make the finals Not giving too high expectations The story will be Carltony Towns and everything he did to get them there.

Dude, his efficiency is insane. I'm looking at it right now. He's averaging 17 points on nine shots. That's ridiculous. That is kind of disgusting. He deserves more than nine shots a game, obviously. But he does have to take it. He went up by 30 every four quarter.

They've had to sit them multiple times. Exactly. Exactly. I agree. There was a game when they won the game by like 50 points. Who would they play? Who allowed 50 points as a margin of victory? I don't know.

That's the same. That they lose in a playoff game by over 50. We need to relegate those dumb motherfuckers. I have to check. Let me know. Please. I must have not been there. What city allowed that?

We might have to do something to the city. Okay. So in that game, maybe a little bit too far. So in that game, Kat, Kat scored 12 points only took four shots. One for four from the field. But the Knicks won by 51 points. It was actually game six against the Hawks. I mean, their star only had 12 points.

Yeah. You're lying. I don't believe that footage at all. Did he have a triple double that? He did. He had a triple double while going one for four from the field. 10 of 10 from the line. 10 assists, 11 rebounds.

Can you imagine rooting for that team? Still 3,000. I was never there, but I don't know what you're talking about. Never happened. Memories wiped. I think I'd lose love for the sport if I had to endure that cap of pain. It's pretty, pretty wild. Could I even still talk about the sport in front of a Mike?

I might just be too traumatized. Maybe. This is fiction. Yeah, I don't have to disown my city. This can't be real, yeah. Y'all are just talking, just bull jive. Bull jive. All right, Shannon.

The four shots is crazy, though, because that's like the last three games of the Sixers series, he didn't take double-digit shots. He's not, it's not like we're seeing this, like, chucking version of, of Kat. Which is why he's so good, honestly. Yeah. And so, like, but this level of involvement in the offense and responsibility and decision-making is insane. He's been as great as anybody can ever hope for.

so it is a plus plus for cat did you all know that every team in the east in the playoffs had more wins than the ox every team every team every single one nobody what is that supposed to mean you're the you were the least productive team in the eastern conference playoffs my team blew a three one lead

and still had more wins than you know every single team won at least three games who I've been waiting to get that off I hope you're proud of that that means nothing and known remember you remember that past 15 minutes from now. Yeah, after the first time we talked shit, I hopped in the shower. I'm like, yo, I should let that fly.

I got it off. Let's go. Jalen Brunson, what do we grade him? What's the Gawaine for Brunson? Everybody in the Knicks, you get a, simple as that. Pretty much. The dog piece out of teams. Not much to say he's been Jaylen Brunson.

Yeah, he's been living up to exact expectations. So after coming off the Hawks series, that was not shaky, but like. Start off shaky a little bit. Yeah, because he was facing probably the one. worst defenders that he, the worst set of defenders that he will face in the first round. And, um, he bounced back fairly well. Yeah, the best defenders for him specifically. Yeah.

40% from the field, 40% from three. 60% true shooting on 27%. That's the best score numbers we've seen the whole time outside of Shay. Yeah. He's still a bucket. Still that guy. Still a bucket. He still got him.

Again, every playoff series will be a referendum on his ability to be number one option because he's small. So far, he's currently proving Becky Hamm and wrong in the first two rounds. Yeah. We'll see how he filled two weeks. now, but thus far, he's beating the allegations of being too tiny. He's so good, man. So good.

He's so good. He's still here. He's still here. I tried to push that nearer that he was slown down. I'll say, you can say that for seven weeks. I was let you do it. I didn't know what you were talking about, but I was like, maybe you're paying more attention to me.

I was like, you got it. His numbers did trail off a little bit, but. Yeah, the whole team was a little disarray, which is what makes this moment so sweet. Let's go to our favorite guys. Jalen Brown. What are we great Jalen Brown for this playoff series? Him as number one option, leader of the team, first team all-N-B-A, MVP vote-getter,

allows his team to blow a 3-1 lead in the first round. F, because not only did you go out horrendously sad, not because you blew a 3-1 lead. You, in game 7, at home, got walked down by Joelle and B, flopping all over the floor. You proceeded to go on a media tour saying that the league has a conspiracy against you. We're going to F. several Twitch streams later The respect has dropped We are going F for Janna Brown

The performance on the court Wasn't necessarily an F but the extracurriculars And everything you did To your reputation outside the court F minus That shit was crazy I can't believe no one told him he sounds nuts He just kept going multiple days in a row

He kept getting nutser It was wild Nobody close to him He was like bro relax Nobody wants to hear that from you It's to the point And maybe this is all A big calculation by him

Because after the Twitch stream then people were really like, do we have to trade Jalen Brown? Like, does he really want his own team? Maybe he wanted to put the pressure into the social media space to let people know, hey, I actually really don't want to be here. And I do want my own team. And now you have to go and bring the antics into this to really force the issue. If that's the case, 4D chess.

But I don't know your plan, so I'm going to give you an F right now. Bro, it got even worse. So he did something. Ironically enough, with Kenny, with the NBAPA thing. And he said that there was a petition started by Celtics fans that pretty much forced Brad Stevens to start him over Gordon Hayward. In 2018. Yes, in 2018. And interesting conversations because, you know, he was a young player or whatever.

And Gordon Hayward was Gordon Hayward at the time. But ironically enough, it was so funny and it's so embarrassing because someone pulled up that same exact petition. and they said it only had 12 supporters. No way. He's just fucking hilarious. Brad, that moved you? It's my smartest player in the NBA, though. Oh, he'd just be talking, man.

This is a F. Pinnacle of athlete intellectualism, though. This is the worst way to go ahead and see someone go out. Jason Tatum. I want to give this a B, I think. Missed the Pivotal Game 7, aggravation of his calf. Obviously, they're going to be very cautious with that.

He was there for them to blow the lead. there for then to finish blowing that lead overall coming into the series looked Jason Tatum like averages ended up being 23 points 6.8 assist, 10 rebounds on a 60% true shooting. Pretty good numbers for the guy not taking

as many shots as the number one option got hurt at the end. They might not have, they might still be in the playoffs if he didn't get hurt at the end. So not his fault, but you know, missed game seven. Yeah, he had a great

playoff run for what he could do. The rebounding numbers are insane. Eleven a game was ridiculous. I don't know why we wouldn't necessarily give him an A. They get swept and he didn't play, but it's like... He'd be part of a blown through one leads. I'm not going to give you an A. But I think he looked good.

He looked at Jason Tatum. Yeah. He met expectations for sure. So I give him a B. He didn't go on Twitch after and be like, I lost because the Rows hate me. He did not do that. Didn't do that a single time. He exceeded my expectation.

Yeah. If we're grading on a curve for the Achilles thing, then it's an A. But I think overall a B is fair. You didn't still blow it through one lead. there was still some games that you contributed to that before the injury. But overall, I think he looked, again, look at these fucking numbers coming off of the killies. He looked extravagant. That's insane.

Yeah. Did you guys see the clip from the interview where they were asking him, like, what's another moment that you're still chasing? And he's like winning another championship and holding up finals MVP. And everyone's like, wow, they really have like jealousy issue. They probably do actually have some sort of like, I wouldn't call it an issue, but it's something in the air.

But I don't think either of them wants to leave or wants to separate it. So it's like, both things are true is they both have the chip on their shoulder, but they're both like want to be Celtics

and want to be together. It's just a strange back and forth cycle of like love and jealousy at the same time. What a, what a strange relationship to have.

Is it kind of like the Yannis Buck situation except like the Bucks is like a real person in this instance? Nah, I don't even think so.

I don't think there's as much animosity. Like no one wants to break up with the other person. You know what I'm saying? Maybe. No, maybe. Maybe you're cooking.

Keep going. Oh, that's, That's it. All right. Stop talking then. I don't want to elaborate more. Maybe.

They're both smart enough to know that they're better off with each other. I think they both know, like Jaylon Brown knows the grass isn't greener. He's not going to go somewhere and have a better time. He does being a star in the Celtics. But they do so have these feelings that everybody assumes they feel. I'm going to be honest. I'm surprised they haven't broken up earlier at this point. Like it's a long overdue.

And that's thing not too. If they're this far, they dealt with as much things they dealt with, just stick it through. Just stay. Yeah. There been several scandals. for giving them for cheating a couple times. Just keep you to stay. I don't know, man, the Stalin's on the other side.

I don't know. I don't know. The stallions on the other side. They have, I don't know, man. The grass may be greener on the other side. I don't know. Jaylor Brown for Ross and Reeves, who says no? Okay, that's not the stallion I'm talking about.

If Jaylon is there, it's not a stallion at all. Wait, what would happen? If Jaylonon Brown demanded a trade. It said it's a donkey. Jayne Brown demanded a trade and the Lakers is one of his teams you wanted to go to

to play with Luca and they did sign a trader for awesome reviews how would you feel? More copium more cope eating less

more body tea maybe my life is better I don't know if that'd be bad honestly with Derek White to help him defensively Jason Tatum back to be one option

I don't know if that'd be bad all right let's stop the copium man obviously obviously you'd rather keep Jason Brown but like if he has to leave We'd rather have some like

Boston would love it. If Boston all of a sudden just got this another white boy who could score 27 tonight. They'd be ecstatic. They'd be elated, brad. That would be,

his jersey would sell more than Jalen Browns did in the last year. They'd have to get a big too for sure because you can't roll out there with the week big man group they had plus a weaker defender. But if they did that and they found a big man, knowing then they fucking get Jared Allen or something

because the Celtics always get great players. If they had like Jared Allen, Tatum, Derek White and Reeves, that wouldn't move me low key. Yeah, they'd be happy as hell. you don't want to see it no I'd be right here not move frozen

okay so that's our Celtics duo both performed well obviously they didn't lose because of Jalen Brown and Tatum they lost because everybody else completely fell off a cliff but they were there Jalen Johnson 19 points for game five assists seven rebounds 29% from three 55% true shooting overall

how do we feel about it obviously had to deal with being a number one option in the playoffs for the first time had to go if you bow um i think everyone coming into the playoffs knew what his weaknesses were and knew that you know the half-worth stuff at times can be a little bit dicey it was super dicey of course uh i think i was going to say see because those numbers that we see on this year right now 19 five and seven aren't like ass but when you actually like sit down and watch the tape and see a lot of the effort plays is like not being there and the intensity not being there and how he's just been like a little bit skittish, I'd give this a D.

You know, it's a little bit of soulless basketball out there. And I think this is first to go around. This is his first time seeing this type of coverage. This is his first time being given this responsibility. Everyone goes through it. But I think I give this a D. Yeah, I think it's fair. I mean, what are you doing just on camera?

Don't worry about it. I was trying to make each other. What? What did he just say? You guys are trying to neck each other. What the fuck? I thought I saw these. Somebody just got with a hammer.

What? What is wrong? Did I just grow up different? Is my peripheral off? There's no neck being given. No, what are you talking about? None of him put his head down. Yeah, he's guilty.

Audio listeners, he's guilty as hell. For neck. He still ain't say a word for a reason. too. Look at it. You're the only one worried about neck? Come on, man. Oh, yeah.

Jay and Johnson looked like a first time All-Star in that position. Yeah, he was not really. He was overmatched, is what it is. We know he wasn't ready, and he probably shouldn't be that role again. He probably shouldn't be the league. Never again.

He shouldn't be that. They should hopefully get a ball handler that can be the star next to him and be more of a primary option guy in terms of playmaking. It went how you expect. He's fine. Yeah, he's just not that guy.

Yeah, he's a guy. He's a guy. He's a guy. very good guy, but the guy they asked him to be, LeBron James, he's not that guy. Yeah, again, 0.3 blocks is disgusting. Seedin McCollum was a block leader for this team, right? That should never happen again. Okay, Scotty Barnes, 24 points, 8.6 assists, six rebounds, 1.7 blocks, 1.1 steals on a 60%

true shooting while shooting 38% from 3. One of the best two-way players in this playoffs was absolutely dominant defensively, was one game away from winning a playoff series as the best player without. from there really at all quickly not there at all are we going a plus this is some of the best scotty barns PR that he has had honestly since his rookie season never sell your stock he he was he was fantastic I think everybody everybody left that series knowing one yes the caps one man they barely won like we didn't we didn't respect that and you understood that the raptors were completely devoid of any other offense outside of outside of scotty

Barnes and that the people that they had on their team, you know, solid death pieces, but when you're relying on RJ Barry game winners, which I told you what's going to happen. You did tell us. People were so mad that we didn't talk about that on the episode last time because we can talk about that series. People were like, you guys are silencing

Donovan. Why didn't you let him talk about it? The fucker, he forgot to. We're silencing. They didn't even let him talk about his prediction. He fucking forgot. I didn't say it. But I was three for three though. You did.

You got what time all again? I had RJ's game winner, the Denny and Safon Castle altercations last fight, and then the brah to Bronny lob in some form. So I think you need to give us some predictions for the last two rounds. Yeah. Yeah. Predictor of the year. Are you trying to follow up your classic with another one?

On Monday, on Monday, I'll try. Okay. But why, this is going to be disgusting. Well, I have to know what the series are going to be. True. Yeah, fair, fair. Yeah. Very fair.

but you could predict no mind predictive series yeah yeah that could be part of it really getting your back honestly

since you're just psychic now yeah did you know everything okay but yeah Scottie Barnes two way demon

everything we've ever said about him and the faith we had in him was proven in fruition in this game pray to God they get him

a star that can actually score the ball and be that release foul for him that we hoping it could be

and could not be Yeah. You've been saying forever that dream scenario is he can be Scotty Pippen to Anthony Edwards, Michael Jordan. I would still love to see that. Feels like it's never going to happen with this organization. It's not. And that's okay because if you're a Raptors fan, you're just trying to win discourse wars at this point.

You're not, unless a major, major change comes and a major trade happens, we're just fighting Evan Mowgli conversations every single day. I feel like you've won those conversations very, very handily. who's the next guy that Raptor fans can go after and be like, Scotty's better than this guy. I don't know. That's the next frontier for them to conquer. We've already clear Palo, right?

Yes. Clear Palo cleared Evan Moble. Who's up next? Some people were arguing he was the best player in the East already. See, that's a little bit too much. And Janice, bring the ass here. Yeah, Janice, Jalen Brown. I feel like those are the two next steps.

Scotty or Jalen Brown? Let's start it up. Don't let me have an opinion. Oh, my goodness. Don't let me get going. All I can hope for right now. You're taking Scotty? Don't let me have an opinion.

Listen, the floor is yours. Those are fair questions. I got to think about that one. Yeah, not me. Yeah, not me right now. I hope all I can hope right now is. That's not a question for you? Who are you taking?

I feel so high on Scotty Barnes because I. Scott is better than Jaylon. If he's there other than Jaylon, do they blow the three one leave? Why are you asking these questions? I just want to know. I'm just checking tip. That's it. Your thermometer is broke as fuck right now.

I just want to know how you feel. I don't care. What type of question is that? I won't be forced to make a decision I don't want to make. I just hope that Scotty Barnes take this and goes into next year as more aggressively as a score. Seeing how it was just like literally brutalizing anyone who was in the every moment, every opportunity he has.

Wildly impressive. Yes, I didn't see. I have to go check it. check up his efficiency in the paint, but I know it's kind of absurd. I know it's disgusting. Get brutalized Evan Mowgli. He won those debates.

It was kind of great. Yeah, he shot 57% percent from the paint, which is not absurd like I thought it was, but it feels even great. Oh, sorry, 65% in the restricted area. Yeah, that's disgusting right there. That's exactly what he did. And that tells, brood, that tells.

That's right. Get brutalized. Everybody. All the offs. Get brutalized. Alper and Shangoon. F. completely opposite way.

No, Kevin Durant in this series outside of one game loses in six games to Los Angeles Lakers as a heavy favor, even without Kevin Durant, they were still expected to win against the Lakers team

that had no Luka Danshitch and for most of the series no Austin Reeves and Alper in Shungu gave us a smooth 20 points, 4.7 assist, 10 rebounds, three turnovers,

3.1 stocks, which is nice to see, 12% from 3, and it blistering. 51.9% true shooting, 6.5% league average. The fact that it wasn't you catching belt from the Thunder, that's worse than catching belt.

You should have been in position. That was your belt to be caught. It was. Your name was on that belt. How are you in a series down 3-0 with no Luca, no Reeves? Been done up by Luca Nard and Austin Reeves. And DeAndre Aiden had a career series in the playoffs against you. On your watch.

Proceed to get belted so hard by the Thunder, he lost all that goodwill. But he had so much goodwill by doing a good job defensively against you and offensively. You might get traded. I think it's on the board now. Anything's on the board. I doubt it realistically, but anything's on the board for sure for them. Yeah. You're not off the board.

Yeah. Where I feel like last year, it's completely off the board. We're not training Shangoon. Now, if the wind blows the right way, maybe in the right call comes through, you are now having these conversations because everything is open. for everybody is on the table if I'm the Rockets and I'm trying to try to move forward

That's a good way to phrase it. You got yourself on the table. You're not like at the top of the table. You're not going to get dealt. Probably. It's a non-zero chance. And for somebody who's supposed to be... You're not the team.

You're not the franchise. For somebody who's supposed to be like the face of the franchise that just can't happen. Thank God he's not the franchise though. That would be a shitty franchise to be. Did you guys say he got belted the series? Oh, not.

It didn't even feel like that. It got melted. It was like super glue belt. It didn't even feel like that, but he just one time and he just felt it forever. A paddle? You got paddles? Yeah.

No, he got switched, man. He got pistol whips. Down 3-0 is disgusting. It is. And, okay, so to be realistic, he had a terrible team environment around him, obviously. The shooters weren't.

the playmakers from playmaking. It was a really bad environment to be a playmaking center without finishers. I'm sorry, can you pull up his stats again? I was almost giddy. I heard you laugh in my life. He's having.

He's enjoying this backwatch right now. 12.5% for free. I don't give a damn who's on your team. Everybody else can be playing with one hand tied behind their back. That does not affect you shooting 12%. You have to shoot better than that. That's unacceptable.

And that's a continuation of everything that we saw throughout the regular season. And last year in the playoffs and even at the start of this year, you were able to get some of your game off. You were able to get some floaters off. Maybe not at the rate you used to, but the floaters were still there. The mid-range game is still kind of there. And as we continue and continue to go along, all of those parts of his game continued to fade away. And now we're just looking at you and you're just throwing shoulders into people's chest. and you're running back funny

and it's just weird you're running back funny it's just weird I don't like this for for this is one of the least inspiring 20 and 10s that I've seen in a while 2010 and 3.1 stocks you should be a star

and yet I watch the games I see how everything goes down and it's not it's not what the stats say if we can see the on-off numbers of his averages with Jackson Hayes on the floor versus anybody else they'd probably be stark A lot of those points, he was doing Jackson Hayes.

He was fucking Jackson Hayes up. I'm like, Clickapella could have fuck Jackson Hayes up in the series. It was easy to post up Jackson Hayes. So, salute to him. You found a target and you picked on him. And you had a good game with his 8 and 2. Not to say he didn't score well at all. Again, 20 points per game is 20 points for game.

51% shooting for Big Man is abysmal, though. So you do me a favor and read this stat real quick. It's highlight. Read this stat. We have in the paint, non-restricted area, points per game. And the averages go along with them, efficiency-wise. 2.7 field goal attempts. I should know.

Oh shit. Eight. I repeat. 8.0. Paint field goal attempts per game. 2.7 made per game in this playoff series. 33% in the paint for this series. You were just throwing bullshit up and that bullshit is going to the stands.

Fuck. Yeah, man. At this point in time, I don't know if the using rocket should be like excited to put them. They should be excited to put them on in trade conversations. but they're like lunatic because they're going to be in the room talking to themselves because no one's even going to have that conversation right back at all. I think if he were to get traded for Yannas in a package, he maya-doch would probably have the greatest PR 180 ever next year

because he would say, y'all can tell me I'm trash. I've been telling y'all for years. I don't want to coach this motherfucker. I try to mention him he got too good and had to play him. I've been telling you all for years. He's not the player for me. And if he loses him and he has all of a sudden fantastic team again, he's going to run PR laps.

bro he's literally breaking my brain how are you a 20 point for game score and you're a no level score because he draws free throws he draws free throws pretty well and just like floater range bullshit and it's the worst scoring diet ever because I'm looking at it right now

the first three games he shot two uh threes went 0 for two went 0 for one then went one for five did not shoot a three the rest of the series because he was that bad y'all told me he's ass in the paint he can't hit floater What does he do?

What does he do? He attacks his matches and playmates, which, granted, he had no shooters and finishers to do that well. So I do give him some grace there that it could look slightly better. We need a lot more than slightly better for me to be as encouraged as Rockets fans want me to be about his just standing compared to his peers. No, man, that's crazy. He's the first no-level score that we've seen in NBA history. Be a soldier corner new terms, new phrases. I like the way you work, man.

Thank you. Thank you. I work hard. Palo Van Caro. I recall. What are great Palo Bencaro. Went up 3-1 on the Detroit Pistons. Had a very good playing tournament run

or a second game in playing tournament and game one of the Piston series, he won Berserk. So for the first, those two games, we were saying, oh shit, playoff, riser, Palos here again. Series went on, had some stinkers. Series went on again.

Had some more great games. A fantastic duel, him versus K, bolt drop in 40, right? Overall, finalized, averaging 26 points, six assists, nine rebounds, 3.4 turnovers, but still, 52% true shooting. The scoring outside of the volume

maintained the same level of, you know, below average. Mixed bag, you got the full Palo experience in this playoff point, I think. The highs and the lows and the in-betweens. What do you grade that? I'm going, I'm going to C. Yeah. If you are who we thought you are, I guess I is to see, right?

Yeah, I'll go with C because the playing tournament was, that's like also the Palo experience where one of those games, after the first game, we were all up here like, it's one thing to have bad shooting nights, it's another thing to have just like poor effort and you look completely checked out

and all the ancillary things to your game were not there. And then obviously they come back, they go on this crazy run and everything looks really good. I may be over-indexing. That game six is one of the worst things I've seen in a long time. And for them to be at home with a chance to close the series out, you're up 20 at half time. You shoot four for 20 from the from the field.

O for nine from three. My once again, up 20 at halftime. You lose by 14. The other team doesn't score 100 points. Oh, man. All that context is the worst. It keeps running worse and worse.

That's a nasty trivia question. Fuck. It's very, very bad. And then even the game, even game four that they won. You personally shot four for 18. So the up and down nature of his game was on full display. And I just think like I liked that in game seven, he was going toe to toe.

I liked that in game five, he was going toe to toe, going toe to toe, have 45 points in that game and was going bad for band. It was awesome to see. We just need more of that. And you can't have these four for 18. You can't have these spring tour dates. No much to say. He's just Palo, right? Yeah.

Somebody in one of our friends and one of our basketball group chats put it quite plain. and it's stuck with me ever since Thomas said this. He's a classic shrieky shooter. He's a what? Classic streaky shooter. Oh. Okay. And like, yeah.

Yeah. It is a very, of every area you can look across, there's streaky shooters who with the shots are going in, they provide value and everyone who gets wowed. And there's plenty of games of shot isn't going in. He doesn't do enough of the other smaller stuff that it's just, that's the downside of the guy. And at this point it's development, that's what it is. Yeah.

And that's why I net out as a C as well. You did just enough as a streaky shooter had just enough. good games, just enough bad games to be like, you know what, maybe things aren't as shit as we thought it would be, at least coming from like how we were talking about Apollo middle of the season towards the end of this season specifically as well. And he did just enough to like extend his warranty as like, okay, you can be, we're not, we're not getting about it, but you are the faces of France. Bro, this is the third year in a row you said this. How long is his warranty last? Until he has a straight up bad playoffs. You've used this analogy every single

year in the last three years. It's that Herman Miller warranty. I, I, I, I, I, This is $1. He never dies. I agree. He got great insurance. Bro, give me 40. Hey, that is a lot. That does a lot.

Oh, God, life insurance. It's crazy. So death do was part. He gets a warranty inspired every year. Now, listen, he has one bad playoff series where he doesn't crack 30, an efficient 30. Hey, man. It's over. So all you to see is one good game every series?

You're never going to give up that. It's going to be multiple. It's got to be multiple. Got to be multiple. Two out of seven. That's like third of the series. He's got to be good. Oh, shit.

That's not a good. If he goes to, yeah, give me two good games and what's the live conversations. Hey, you're easy. You're easy to please. You're easy. It's crazy. Finally, the players we've all been waiting for to have some fun. Nicole Yolkich and Jamal Murray.

They both get abs. Yes. They both sucked. Not only do you lose in the first round. You lose the Timberwolves. Not only do you lose the Timberwolves. Anthony Edwards is actively injured. What else?

not only do you lose the Timberwolves Don't say to Vincenzo tears his Achilles What else? Unfortunately Not only do you lose the Timberwolves I assume misses the closeout game Unfortunately That is three, count them three Guards on this team

That are unfortunately not playing for the closeout games Not only are they missing three Count of three Guards not playing for the closeout game You get done up by Bowels Highland A guy's career you try to throw away to the trash Because he thought he wasn't ready to play Series basketball

Probably wasn't at the time thought he wasn't. Neither here nor there. Neither here nor there. He plays some goddamn serious basketball against you. When you're serious and your season is ready to get ended, he looks serious as a motherfucker. He got you out of here. Not only do you have the best player in the world on your team. So called best player. So called best player in the world. He lost the title because his defense was so goddamn atrocious without Aaron Gordon by his side to cover up all his efficiencies that everybody felt like they had a third eye awakened and they say, I guess Shane Wembeer better right now. No only did that happen. You get a second player who in his first all-star

of his career, Jamal Murray. Something he called the best. not all-stared NBA history for several years. Playoff Riser for several years. Once again, playoff drops because Jamie Daniels puts hands and feats all over him and locks him up for the second time in a row they play each other. Not only do you have a guard. I mean, a big man,

who's supposed to be that guy mentioned to hide Nicole Yolkich's deficiencies, his body falls apart, and now you can't go into next year and say Aaron Gordon's going to be back, because who knows? One more? One more. You also have a shooting guard who's on the worst contracts in the NBA. Yeah!

There's not... There's no silver linings. Everything was bad. Both your stars get an F. Your fan base is in disarray. Probably for good reason. Stinky. Yeah, man.

Yeah, I feel like the nuggets, they, if there's ever like a statement, because the way that we talked about the nuggets after they won the title and what has ensued, I keep looking at them and I'm like, maybe championship windows are fake.

Like, I. everything like yeah like i actually don't know if that's actually a real thing because okay i see your point you go on like every every single year you have to you have to re prove yourself and so this idea that like okay we're going to be able to win a championship that we're going to be like contenders for the next three to five years that's not necessarily true and especially now we haven't seen a like the thunder are the first or the first team that like that won the finals to get back to the conference finals in like seven years it's not something that that happens a lot and so every single year it's much more of an individual climb and an individual like journey so i so i don't think that

you can just look at them look at teams that that win and be like okay yeah this is this is like a progression of three to five years and we're finally going to get there no you you you kind of like once you win a championship and i and i was thinking about this because i saw um i saw um i saw Joe from from Pickaside he after the Celtics blew their leave he was having an existential crisis

and he was he was saying that like he was like how much is a championship worth you know and I was thinking about this it's like championships aren't this like this window they're more of like a culmination of everything that like went before you and so

and so like to think that like oh my God to think that like you win a title and you're just set for the next five year that's not true and I feel the same for the nuggets for like every single year you feel like they have something else to do and I think I'm just over it like I don't think the nuggets are in the right now they've also shown over the last two years they're not in a window right now they're not a serious basketball team

like that I think we also though you can say all that it's all true I think those are all good points you can also do a close autopsy of their window you lose multiple years because Jamal Murray's injured they were in the window as soon as it got Aaron Gordon that was their window you lose two runs of Jamal Murray injuries so the window started later than they should that's one thing then you lose KCP. The window was here because they had the perfect starting five. You let him walk for tax reasons for being cheap. That killed the window. We talked about it for a whole year. That killed the window and they were just scratching and clawing trying to get back to it. And Christian Brown emerged. And we said, okay, maybe he can be the stop gap. He's a little better than we thought.

And his other guys slowly emerged and we're like, they're still close enough that while they're not favorites and so good anymore, the window's kind of alive, we overestimated those guys. The window did die when they lost KCP and the starting five fell apart. In the past two years, it really died because Aaron Gordon's body fell apart. So even if they did have a championship window, there's like key indicators, mostly health and losing KCP, just mostly losing some of the pieces that made the window that it just disintegrated before our eyes. Yeah, that window, I think was legit, but then it very quickly turned into like a fucking furnace where, like, it was a chimney, literally. There was no, like, actual things that was consistently in place because you're all, there's

always some type of smoke in their faces. You even talk about the whole head coach situation. They said, fuck it. Both of y'all fired the GM and head coach. I feel like we've never seen that in the last like at least 15, 20 years or so where both of these guys are just immediately out here in the way that it happened with all that drama. And then going back to the star players, everything around Yoke is just like slowly like

disintegrating someone that we had high hope for last year. Their first overall draft pick in Darren Holmes blew his ACL in the office. and work out, like, things just never been clear for this team at all. And right now, like, yeah, it's no longer, like, window tech at all. They're fucking box, and they have to figure out a new way to escape the mediocre territory that they're entering right now. Yep. Next season, they better be a new look Nuggets team because this iteration, the team has run its

course. Yeah. What that looks like, I don't know. Whether it be a Jamal Murray trade and Aaron Gordon trade, a everybody else trade, who knows, but they need to be a new version of themselves next year. Yeah, they need to be a new version of themselves. they need to tell this coach, you got to reinvent this motherfucker. Yeah.

But I think at that point, because I look at the nuggets and like their core to me is obviously it's Yokic Murray, Aaron Gordon. And so if you're saying like completely new look, obviously like one of those three has to go, it's probably going to be Aaron Gordon because I think you'd want to keep Jamal Murray and you'd want to keep the offensive synergy just to make sure, just because you know that Yokic isn't going to be like an elite defender. so let's really just keep leaning into the offensive suit. Keep on Jamal Marie stats from real quick on the graphic.

Yeah. Let me know if this synergy inspires you. If the 46% true shooting inspires you. I mean, listen, they were also giving up 40 to IOS. Yeah, and he wasn't doing much on the other side. And it's the second time in a row where Jaden McDaniels comes in. Like I said, hands and feet all over him, sub 50% true shooting. I understand.

If he was normal, they win the series most likely. He wasn't normal. Second time in a row, I can say that. Two series in a row against Timbles. I can say that. Let's just not play the symbols. All right. That's that's because honestly.

Play a thunder instead. Sick. Sick. Discussed. Had a better chance against them. He didn't do good last year and that's three series either, did he? I can't remember actually. Maybe he did.

No, he did not. He called me on that. I imagine he did not. It's a thunder. Yeah, I promise he did not. Against a thunder last year. He shot 40% from the field. 40.

Okay. 30. 3.3. 3.9. 40 and 30 lovely average 20 points 3 turnovers forces the game

I think for our offense for a team that's built around that synergy you talked about when one half is clearly not holding up as in the bargain for three straight playoff runs I don't think it's unreasonable to say we need a new duo

don't that's that's fair I'm cool with shipping anybody out I just think the only the only reason why I think I might be a little bit more inclined to trade and Gordon is just because I think I think I might be at a point where it's like maybe Aaron Gordon's body just isn't going to hold up.

And so he's not even going to have a chance to prove himself where you can at least keep giving Jamal Murray chances because he's going to be there because he will play. And so you'll convince yourself of that. But if you want to trade him, let's have the conversation. Let's figure out what we can get for. Well, I'm actually worried that everybody else also sees that his body won't hold up and you can't get much for him. So maybe you just-A-G or Murray.

Agee. AG, that you can definitely get some good stuff from Jamal Murray. Like, I don't think the Celtics thing is going to blow up. But like if the Jalen Brown thing did happen, you could probably swap Jalen Brown for Jamal Murray in some package. Would you rather Jamal Murray or Austin Reeves? Jamal Murray. Hands down?

It's a close conversation. Pretty much. I'm not going to lie. All right, man. Nicole Yoc could grab him. He saw us walking to those doors. I think I understand we have questions about Jamal Murray's playoff performances right now,

but historically he has been a playoff riser. I think he's a much better shooter than Austin Reeves. I wouldn't say much better, but he's a better passer. No, he's not. No, he's no, he's not a better. Awesome Reeves is an amazing passer. Austin Reeves is a very good passer. Yeah, his playmaking is ridiculous.

That's a part of the reason why he, like, was a top 20 player offensively for a good chunk of this season. John Murray is better defender, though. So that's a big thing. He has more size, thicker. But Austin Reeves is a better slasher and a better passer. Yeah, I think I have an experience too. I'd rather out of a moment. That's fair.

It's not crazy at all, especially for the defensive thing. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see what's up with the Nuggets, man. They have, they have soul searching to do this. They should blow it up, though. But blow it up, you know what I'm saying. No, they should blow it up. Like, I don't think we got to put quotes.

They should blow it up. When I say blow it up, both the argon. Okay, blow it up around Yokic. Yeah. Blow up everybody that Yokch has ever met in that organization and bring new people in. Yeah. And with that being said, that is every grade for every star in these playoffs.

It's time for some producer corner. Yes. Building off of... Hold on, hold on. Oh, my God. My boy says he's in the nasty music. Yes, sir, yes, sir. Lovely.

Lovely, lovely. Building off of our producer corner from last week, we are going to be testing Donovan's ability to identify waters. We're going to diamond test this ability of it. This is going to be the hardest blind tasting that anybody has ever done. Blind taste and water. I did set myself up. I don't know what you were talking about.

Now, here's, here's my goal. My goal for today is to properly assess Nestle pure life water. Okay. That is the one that in my past, whenever I drink it, I've had the most disdain for. Evadful compulsive reactions. Yes, I have had actual bad reactions to him. So if people were here last week, B.Soul mentioned last week's producer corner, Donovan specifically said that, that he hates certain waters and is very bougie bad and only drinks ones. And I said, can you really tell the difference on some of these?

He said, hell yeah, I can spot any water. So he's going to put the shysty on and cover his eyes, put it on backwards or just roll it down your eyes like Daredevil. So I'll toss this to you. And then we have five waters here. You can put the camera back on me. We have Desani. We have Smart Water. Okay.

We have Saratoga, the fancy stuff. I've never had that today's a day. Fiji. And last but not least, Nestle of your life. I feel like a fake robber. Well, first of all, open your mouth. He's going to try all these.

Mo's going to hand him one by one. He's going to taste it and see what he thinks it is. I have other bottles. These are all half empty. They're all in the same bottle, so he can't tell based on the packaging. He's going to sip it. It's all going to feel the same. And on a piece of tape says which one it is, he has to guess it.

And tell us 1 to 10 how much you likes it. Okay. Donovan, not going to lie your legacies on the line. I know. Sometimes I do accuse you of just talking. in this moment right now where are you just talking we will find out

would you yapping or where you spin facts we will see so I have all these one by one which you see if you put the camera back on me this one says Saratoga

okay well yeah now I'm not can give that one first this guy I thought you're actually fighting for your life oh my gosh this guy's hilarious so all five of these say

the name of the water brand on it I'm fine for my life because this is reflected so I kept turning it one way. Okay. So yeah, they all have the name on it. We'll head it one by one. Let's start with this one, which I show the camera. Okay, cool. You guys see it. Okay. Here you go. Mystery water. So yeah, so taste it. Let us know what you think it is and one through 10 rating. Careful the bikes in front of you. Yeah. Lock it, man, lock it. Really quench that thirst, man.

Is it good? He looks repulsed. Is that a gross water you know is trash? this so this one has a little bit of body to it this is not it's not super super crisp right now I have to taste a couple more I'll bring you to the options again you have Desani Saratoga Fiji smart and Nestleap your life all right hold on wait can you hear me another one

another one you need another comparison okay well first give us a guess you can go back and change your mind if you want to okay hold but first you can give a guess I'm going to try this again. Okay. All right, so give us a taste and let us know. Let me move that tongue around, man. Yeah, the tongue working.

So, shit around. He's in hell. Okay, so I think this is Desani. Okay, so that means you don't like it? No, I have no problem with Desani. Okay, so one to ten, how good of water is it? It's okay. So five?

Yeah. This one, it has a little bit of a body to it, but I'm not actively repulsed by it. There was a little, like a slight after-tank. of it, but I think it's, I think that one's the, I think that one's Desani. You think it's Desani, give it a five out of ten. You guys saw what it was. Well, keep them like an order when you put them down so you remember a bottle one, et cetera. Or you can get back to Mel.

Yeah. Mo put them with your legs in the right order. Just put it on the floor between your feet. So bottom number two, we have this. Okay. Put the camera back on me so they can see it big. This is bottle number two. Remember the first one was a five out of ten.

All right, here we go. He looks so funny. looking funny. All right, so he's in the zone. Oh, he's locked. Better or worse than the last one? I think this is, I think this is Nestle. You don't like it?

I think so. This one, it's a little, hold on. Oh, man, his radars is so off. This one on the, on the back end, it's, it's a little, it's a little weird. It's a little like, I feel like I taste a little. bit of minerality to this one. What topwater like?

I'm not a massive fan of this one, but it's not, it's not, I don't know, I'm not sure, but we'll go. You think that's Nestle? So you know the first one was DeSani, second one's Nestle. I think so.

Okay. The words we use to describe water, man. It's got body to it. Okay. That's a good analysis. The first one did have body here. Here's the third one. That's an elite analysis.

This is what we got up next. After the first. too okay okay bottom number three are handing the c now what a system we have in place is that good or bad water oh this one is very clear I don't really taste anything on like whenever it goes down I think this might be this might be Saratoga I've never had Saratoga but I think it I think this is one of the cleaner options so I think I'm either gonna go maybe the Saratoga or

wait let me go one more one more one last tongue flip okay maybe maybe Fiji here remember pure life Fiji smart

Saratoga Dasani you've already picked Dasani and Nestle you thought the first two were the bad ones I don't hate Desani that's the thing

whatever you think Desani was the first one and you think that Nestle was the second one yeah So this may be like a, like a smart water maybe? You said all three. Pick one.

That means he does not fucking know. I go to smart water. Smart water for that one. Okay. Cup number three was smart water, he says. Cup number four. Here we have. Here we are.

You guys see the video. Ended over to a number four. So thus far, you said Desani, you said Nestle, and you said smart water. You read that down? So this is just, so there's Fiji and. Sarah, talk about. But also, don't be afraid to guess second time. If you case you feel like maybe you can get one right

the first time. Yeah. Hesitation. Pauses. Test the body. Swiss, swish, swish. This one's weird. This one's interesting. Okay.

Interesting. What do you feel? Do you like it more than some of the other ones? Or is it worse? Interesting, good or bad? This, I feel like, is very standard water. It doesn't, it's not, this one doesn't seem terrible.

also the funniest part about this is like if you're doing like a regular tasting most of the time you would drink water to like cleanse your palate and so I'm cleansing my cleanse my palate with whatever you cleanse it with saliva yeah let me drink this tap water with my with my cup of me don't even try don't even try can you hear me my cup moh is it gonna help you low I don't know maybe hey just drink you should water you just drink I think I think it's Jenny we'll mess you up just drink I'm going Fiji here Okay Okay give it to him

So cup number four He gets Fiji water Okay So he has now said Dasani, Nessly, smart Fiji Here we are Final one Cup number five

Here you go There you go Last one man Last one Then we revealed the results This is Nestle That's the worst one This is sniper

It's trash This one has a very distinct taste So I'm gonna go to Nestle here Can I try number two again please? Number two is what you called Nestle the first time? Yes Okay Okay

Instantly you can tell Kvomber 5 was Nestle Your least favorite Brother Riveting audio content Okay so this is Nestle I'm gonna switch this then So five is Nestle

Okay And then two Whatever I said for two we can just put it whatever I said at five we just put that two because I don't I don't know the rest like that okay so you're holding Nestle

in your right hand am I right yes that's what you said but trust me I didn't fuck it up that's what you said is Nestle okay so I said this was Nestle yes okay let me try it again

okay remember Nestle is the one that was leading to this he said he hates okay so put this yes so put this this is Nestle okay and then that one go ahead and hand him cup five back

The one you just give. Give it back to him. Go ahead. I have no idea what this is. Okay, you don't know what it is. Give him, take the cup from Mo. You ready? All right, so that's the one.

The whole thing was all about can you identify Nestle as the one you hate? Go ahead and blind your fold yourself. Fiji. He doesn't know anything. Fiji's awful. You didn't get a single one right. You didn't get nothing right.

Fiji's awful. Cup ones, you said to Sani. Fiji tastes so bad. This is super weird. Wow. Cup one you said Desani. It was smart water. Okay.

Cup two you said Desani. I mean, you said Nestle. It was Desani. So maybe I do hate Desaani. Maybe. Maybe I do. Cup three, you ended up picking smart, I think. Yes.

It was Saratoga. You had it right the first time. Yeah, you had to write the first time. It was Saratoga. That was, that one did taste. Again, I've never had Saratoga like that. But it was super smooth. Cup four, you had Nestle.

You said it was. Did you say Sprague? You said was Fiji. You do like Nestle. That was weird. Yeah, man. This was the one you said was Fiji. Try to get that at this bottle.

Let's see if you really do hate it. Label bias. Label bias. It's like that cheap shit. You don't like the branding. That's fine. That shit said AP on that you would have loved it too. I don't like Fiji.

Fiji I normally don't drink either though. And so I don't have a base for Fiji. He hates Fiji. this is actually much worse than Nestle which is crazy okay it's much worse why the worst yeah new discovery

I don't yeah this is a new discovery this is much worse is your whole world view like upside down not the whole worldview but like just some of it yeah just some of it

I would say out of all the bougie waters Fiji is the one where I've been like yeah y'all are overriding the fuck out of this yeah I yeah I don't think I I like this. But the other ones,

the first one I said was Desani and it was Smart Water. Yep. Interesting. Yeah. You don't know nothing. That's not that. That's not that big takeaway.

Wasn't even close on anything. Actually, you were close on Saratoga. You knew that was clear and you should have said Saratoga, but you switched up your answer. Yeah. You knew you never tasted that food in your life, bro.

Saratoga. It is different. Maybe it's worth it. Maybe I'll just start buying Saratoga. Yeah, it's not even that expensive. How much is it? This was like three bucks, I think. it's a lot

it's a lot for water but it's pretty big it's thin glass 20 ounces it's glass cup honestly three dollars for a glass bottle that's not bad it's not bad yeah it's also huge size of my fucking head isn't that what oh yeah

I remember ashen hall's yeah that's the ashen hall water forget a perfectly refined taste life's perfect pairing they kind of are I like that it's just water but all right that's producer corner donovan doesn't know shit about water

he was talking to big game he was not a water nor it 0 for 5 you win some you lose some Over five. You like Nestle. You can stop being bougie. I guess so.

The money changing them, and now it's a bunch of changed them back. Now with that being said, let's get on to some TikTok time. Finally. Yes. We march. Woo. Welcome to TikTok time. Today we are starting with a very special segment we are doing today.

We are going to play NBA Hot Ones trivia. As you guys see, Donovan is upset. And as you also see, I have a bottle of Hot Ones that last dab hot sauce. We all have several wings in front of us, including B-Souls. Yes. How this is going to work is there's four rounds of trivia. We all have four wings each person. But to answer your question, if they get it right, no wing.

If they get it wrong, wing. But we go through a round. All three of us got our question right. Beesoles has to eat a wing as the host. He made all the trivia questions. He's hoping that we can't answer him. So if we all band together, has some teamwork, we can make him suffer or not us. us versus them mentality

you see what I'm saying you're them we're gonna jump your ass so this is the last damn hot sauce never had before obviously take a good big boy bite don't just take a tiny bite don't touch your eyes

don't touch your mouth your face don't get all fucked up eyes for the rest of the episode because we're doing this to start at TikTok time TikTok time's about 80 minutes long oh Lord look at his face

because it smells man it's not a good time I don't think it smells me bad, honestly. I don't like the way it smells. It smells like hot sauce to me. But yeah, so however many wings you indoors, how much you'll suffer for the next hour on camera.

People will get to see the meltdown. Who should go first? Me or Donovan. You go first. All right. I'm first. I'll start the round. Yeah, this is your idea, man.

Here we go. What's our first year of your question? Round one. Here we go. Who holds the record for the second most total points in an NBA season? Oh, second most. Second most. Okay.

Will Chamberlain has a number one, average 50? Did they play 82 games back then? Yes. Yes. I believe so. Okay. Point inflation. James Harden averaged 36.

He was pretty healthy that year, right? Yes. Kobe's best year was what? 06. 34? 36. 36. 36.

Fuck, who played more games? Mind you, Jordan had a year where he averaged 37. Yeah. Yeah, this is tough question. It's games played is the answer here. They all average in the 30s. I'm gonna say Michael Jordan C. C. Michael Jordan, you're locking that in?

Yes, locking in C. I feel nervous for you, man. I don't know. It is Will Chamberlain. Oh, they didn't play 82. He had a season where he average. There's a season where he average the 50 and then there's another season where he average like 44 right after.

Oh, so he has both the top two? Yeah. Man, you're a ho. That's crazy. Come on, man. Read the detail. You're a. Read the details.

Are you a drum or a wing guy? Let me know. I like both. I'll go for the drum first. Come on. Lock in, man. Here we go. Fuck.

That's a healthy bite. Only big bites over here. But I'm not going to lick my fingers. Okay. We're doing one bite, whole wing. One bite. Okay. I'm not dying yet, but it's pretty hot.

I feel it immediately. You drench this shit. You know what usually cooks me when comes to hot shit? I'd be licking my lips. Yeah. And now it's like my whole outer lip is on fire. I'll be careful with your hands because my fingers are hell of saucy. Yeah.

Oh, God. Okay. I'll do it. I will live. Are you sweating a little bit? I see it. I don't know if I'm sweating yet. I feel the effects.

Okay. All right. Moving on to the next question. Go on. Yeah. Me next. Mo, come on. Let's do it.

Question You're using milk already? Oh wow You think I'm going to be a man and not drink milk Go fuck yourself Off a round one though I'm sipping it What do you mean off a round one

They're all the same Hot is high Okay Okay You got some bread I just go All right True or false

Demar Rosen has more career points Than Carmelo Anthony Damn There has been a lot Of like De Mardi Rosen Discourse and how about how he's approaching scary territories when he comes to

his all time rankings points wise these wings are disturbing as hell I smell him and I don't want no parts of it my talk hurts this could be a true question though I think DeMardo's just broke like 20 my answer to my dad but I don't know if he passed Miller

if he passed Miller everyone will be talking about I'm going to say this false for the love of God please false Are you locking that in? Yeah, false. Please. All right. It is.

Say false. Hurry up. False. Hell, yeah. Yeah. I need no fucking winks today. Honey and tissue. I already got to pass this round.

Let's go. Oh, shit. All right, man. Yo, Donovan, they say a word yet. You ready for prom time, man? Bring the question up, man. Steve Curry was drafted, true or false. Steph Curry was drafted

8th overall in the 2009 NBA Do you give him this softball question What the fuck is this? I mean I'm not even 100 sure about this I can't remember if he was eight Oh thank God Go ahead smelling wings for me I'm gonna say false

Smel them wings and hope you remember False You're gonna say false Awaken those senses All right We'll log it in It is False he was seventh

Come on it's an easy one Thank goodness I got a trick question You got that layup I hate this game Okay okay Nice Are y'all feeling so

for after round one. I'm feeling right. I mean, we still got three left to go, but dicey. I almost folded, and I would have said true because the whole DeMarre discourse, but.

I'm feeling fucking stupendous. Are we snaking it, or are you going to say the same order? Same order. Okay, fuck. All right. Round two. Okay.

We got to lock him. You got to make Beasol's day's one. Come on, man. He's not going to handle it well. No, absolutely not. All right. You got a visual one. Oh, fuck.

Which image is real? A or B? They're kind of small on our screen. I don't even know what I was supposed to be looking for it. It looks the same. I have to lock in. This is tough as far away from us. You do have to lock in.

I think I know the answer, though. I go, I'm cut. I don't see the difference. I think I know it. Oh, it's the font. The C is different. Right? No, it's not the font.

The Cs are different. It's something, well, it does look different. But it's not supposed to be that. It's the wrinkles on the forehead and also the, the frown of the bull. That makes sense. Okay, so it's the face.

It's tough because it's far away from us. Yeah. Rinkle on the forehead. So there's three lines versus two lines. Yeah. And the mouth is different. It's either smiling or frowning. Identify that mouth, man.

He's putting it in blended. There's no way it's smiling. It's got to be A. A is real. Three lines, A is real. Locking that in? I'm locking that in. I'm locking it in.

Three lines, A is real. A is real. Thank God. Hell, I would definitely get it right now. Okay. I couldn't do two times in a row. I'm recovering now. I can't get him back in the blender.

Okay. All right, Mo, you ready? No. But I have no choice to be ready. What overall draft picks were Janice and Yolkich? What are the exact numbers? You got to get both of them right. I know Yokic was like, he was a second round pick.

I think it was like 41 or something like that. Okay. That I know historically. Janis those, like. Interesting. I thought Yonis should be harder. No, I know Yokic is more like, what? 41.

Number sticks out to me. But Yonis is tough. There's a range for Janice. And it would be hard to pinpoint the one. He's back half a lottery. I don't remember if he was lottery. Who was in like, that was the Ola Depot class, Stephen Adams,

Dennis Schroeder was there. I don't know if he was a lot. Wait, that year the bucks. 12. You said to be like, 13. Wait, I didn't know the exact picks. That's kind of crazy. Yeah, come on.

Let it go. And you worried about them being too easy. Hell yeah. So I know Yolkits is 41. Okay, 41 for Yolkis. Locked it in. But Janus could be like 13, 14, 15. I think it is one of those.

16. I think it's 13 to 15. I think you're on track. They don't help him. Hey, we're up. Yeah, Marty. He's not adding anything new at all. I'm praying on your downfall, not hose.

I know he's not 16. I think he's, I'm going to say 15. Locked that in? Yeah, 15. You are. For the love of God, please. Correct. He's done so much for my life.

I ain't eating these wings. Bissol, you've been to have my plate if I don't eat. Donovan, lock it in. Get this right. Bissol has to eat. Ooh. All right. I need to pull up something for this one.

Okay. This one's a little, a little bit on the harder side. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. No, it's the next thing. Shut up. It's the next thing. It's the next thing. No, it is the next thing.

Okay, okay. Okay, go ahead. He's on edge. It is the next thing. Come on. Come on. Oh, no, no. He's in the blender.

All right. Next question is, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-nan. Name seven number three overall picks in under 60 seconds. You could do that. When is the time start? You got your timer? Yeah, I'm about to pull up a timer.

He's thinking now. You better pull up fast. All right. Ready? Mm-hmm. Three, two, one, go. Michael Jordan, VJ.J. Edgecombe, Jason Tatum. No, seven. Seven.

God. I know. You got it. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my God. Keep going. You got it. Almost after there.

Embed. Okay. And that's Embeddeed is four. What's the class before this? Is Wendy? Brandon Miller. Brandon Miller five. Two more.

Two more. I love this. What time we got, B? 30 seconds. Love it. Great shape. Power three. Carmelo?

Carmel. Hell yeah. What we at? 20 seconds. One more. You got this. Slow down. You got this.

James Hardin. James Hardin. Three straight correct answers. James Hardy came clots for you for the first time. Beesles, put that camera on you. Eat that fucking wing. Oh my God. Press the other one so the question isn't there.

Are they all the same? They're all the same. Take a bite, buddy. That was a lot of pressure. That was tough. Damn, that loud ass timer. And they're not boneless. They're not boneless.

Take a hearty bite. You eat your bones in. Serious bite. Okay. That's somewhat serious. What the hell he? What the hellie, aren't they? Do you like spicy stuff?

No. You're cooked. Well, we went to a ramen place and much it wasn't even spicy. I was sweating the whole time. Oh, my. God. You fit to be in the yellow.

Oh my God. The real eater in a minute lick the finger. Oh my God. You say, what's his hat? Where's my mouse? Where's my mouse?

Make sure you clean your hands. Don't get the sauce everywhere. Okay. Okay. Round three. This is a good idea. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Round three. Isaac. Which one is a lot? lie about Will's 100 point game. Fuck. The year was 1962. The month was March. His team scored 163 points.

It was against the Knicks. Fuck! He's so good. Get back on camera. Let him see. Holy fuck. I'm crying. I'm crying.

Yo, you're sweating so much. You know. No. Answer the question. It's not going to make it go away. He's hooting and hollered for once. It's not helping. All right.

So the year 162. I don't know anything about the rest of them. What is going to be my best guess? Ooh. Monthless March seems too random. No. I don't know about that. I think the best guess would be 163.

That's so specific. Because I know it was against the Knicks. And I think we've made jokes before about Will it's scoring 100 being March basketball 163 There's no way if he scored 100 That had to be almost all the team's points There's no way to score over 50% more than that

So I think 163 is too high It's either 163 You're like a thousand percent sure of it's 962 I'm not thousand to sure of anything Oh fuck But I really want to put him in hell again So we got to get this right It's one of those two

It's a 50-50 shot I can't remember if it's 662 But actually, I don't know why I'm saying that. I might have been 64. Yeah, I don't know. But, yo, these numbers are fine. I don't think he picked that. I think that's the easy one. He wouldn't pick the year because he would assume we know that.

I'm going to say he didn't score. The team did not score 163. C is my final answer. Yeah. Okay. We got it right, bro. Let's go. You got it right, but it was 169.

It was actually too low, if anything. I'm going to hate you all. Yeah, get back on camera. How are you feeling? I'm crying. Remember, don't touch your eyes in your hands. Careful. Okay.

Don't tell him that, man. No, I need to tell him that. Be careful. We can't have him going blind. Nobody touch your eyes. Like, I need to wash my hands profusely after this. Hey, next question. Only use one hand, too, by the way.

Okay. Mo. Yes. Yal Ming is the tallest number one overall draft pick ever at 7-6. Name the next three. No order. Oh. The tallest number one overall.

Number one picks. Number one picks. Yes. Okay. So, yeah, Wemby. Good job. Easy.

Yom Ming is the tallest number one. Okay. Name you the next three. This is tough. Better me. I got to look something. I got for my own personal. Fuck.

I'm not going to give him the answer. I just want to see something. Okay. I want to eat more of these wings. I'm hungry. Holy shit. I'm saved. These are good.

Is Hakeem fair? You tell me, buddy. I'm gonna go Hakeem too. No? No. Okay. Damn. It's not gonna happen for.

Oh, yeah. So I got Wemby. I got, I forget him. He's okay, one of my favorite old players. Ralph Samson, he's up there. Oh, he's number one? He should be up there, right? Okay, okay.

I got Wemby, Ralph Samson. Okay. Are you sure he's number one? I don't even know that. Yeah. Okay. then yeah he's a number one overall pick okay good shit one more is it kareem that's a good guess that i was thinking but yeah that's my best guess is another one at seven three or taller i don't know

i think koreen i don't i don't think so i think because greg oden was what seven was i was greg oden like seven flat i think he's seven one he's big but i don't think he's seven two yeah cream so i got kareem i got wimby and then i got ralph sampson all right locking in kareem wimby well ralmson that sounds good Fuck you, Mo. Hell yeah. Eat them wings. Hey, let's go.

Fuck, Sean. Mo has anything. Fuck, man. Oh, my God. One more. Dogfing. Fuck you God. We can end his life.

Put him back in the blender. Bro. Expose it. My nose is like. Oh, I'm crazy right now. My nose is running. What the hell is? All right.

You ready? Yep. Yeah. Run it. Order these players from most to least career assist. Oh, you got this. You got this. Chris Paul, John Stockton, Magic Johnson, Steve Nash.

You got this. Stockton is one. I think Chris Paul's two. I think Nash is three. And then Magic is four. That's safe. Just longevity. Are you locking that in?

I'm gonna lock that in. Get B- Souls the fuck out of here. We're packing your ass up today. We packing you one. Fuck! You got it. Fuck! Eat win number two.

I got a cut on my hand too. Oh yeah. Eat with the hand. Oh, damn. No. Do blindfold or do to push him too. Big bite. Hell yeah.

Back into that hole. Oh, my God. Don't talk now, please. Oh, Lord. Was it round two? Round two? It's round three. Oh, thank God.

What the fuck is wrong with y'all? Okay, okay Let's just back What the fuck is wrong with y'all? Hey, we're up Hey, careful You put the towel in your eyes, be careful You just did that

Okay, okay Be fucking careful I'm not trying to get to the ER Oh, man Ambulance are expensive now, man You know what's funny, I'm chilling, my mouth is recovered. We're all chilling piece and hell.

We haven't had one yet. Okay. All right. Round four. Final round. Let's go. Oh, shit. Which image is real?

Cooked. Oh, you change the shorts. Yes. Is it the baggy shorts or the right one looks hella lean? Looks like he's wearing short shorts. I don't think that's the right one. I don't know. I don't know, but like that's a lot of Dets on the left.

I ain't helping you, but I'm just noticed. The only thing I think is different is the shorts, right? Yes. I don't think. he would say add shorts. I think he would say take away the shorts making him skinny like the fake Jordan used to have

when they didn't have enough strings. I honestly have no idea. I'm gonna say A is real again. A is real? Yeah, with the longer shorts. Fuck you, buddy! Nuggets! Oh my God!

Why don't I get both images? What the fuck? You're cooked. You're linked. You're boxed. Oh, man. Listen, man, I went up this mountain before and I recovered.

I'm going back in. Oh, man. I grew stronger as a man the first time I can do it again. You do this spicy. shit. Eat it. There we go. You know what, fuck it. Take two bites. I'm not the commentator.

You did? Come on. I'm hyping you up. Should I be real? Should I look at my fingers? Bro, take another bite if you're giving it real. Fuck it. Why not? You said you were hungry. Come on. I'm a little hungry. Damn.

All right. All right. About 30 seconds. I'm going to be freaking out. You'll be all right. You'll be all right. All right. Next. Name five. Number seven overall draft picks in 60 seconds. All right, bro. What type of five, seven is tough.

Hold on. Seven is so like specific. We were scared. It was crazy because we I pulled up the list last week of the number seven overall picks. You did.

Ooh, you did. Oh my God. I'm crying. And we're talking about the kings. You're right. Get that time or don't give time to think.

Seven is. All right. Go ahead. Ready? Do you? Okay. All right. Three, two,

one. Go. Steph Curry. We just talked about him. Smart. There's years where the bulls had shit luck, so I'm going. So, Steph, then you have

large marketing, Window Carter Jr. And then there's another bull. Three is a good start. Kobe White. Okay. Okay. That's four.

We mentioned the Kings earlier. I think Killian Haves was a seventh overall pick two. That's five. Locking it in? Oh, my gosh. Yes. Killian Haves was a seventh pick two.

was a Kongwu no he was six I think here you got five yeah I need two more I might chill no one oh wait five yeah oh shit you got it bro oh good you're good shout a little ball today man my mouth is on fucking fire was Kobe Y number seven yeah yeah bulls got shit luck yeah shout to the bulls that was the easiest shit ever

okay my lips fucking hurt well you didn't eat at all 90 shit oh shit oh shit Oh, shit. Okay. Oh, my God. Don, have you eaten? No.

What the fuck? No. No, yeah. All right. Last one. Oh, my God. What's my question? All right.

The top 10 highest scoring seasons by points per game belong to only five different players, minimum 50 games. Name them in no order. All right. So, will. Wilk Harden, Kobe, Jordan One more player One more

All right, so we're thinking The very, very top It's hurt so much more than the first time Okay, so So Kobe's the lowest Anymore milk Yeah, Kobe's the lowest At 36

Hit me He said hit me My initial guess, my initial guess might be Luca at 33.9. That's a good guess. Um, because I'm trying to think of other people who scored 35 for a season. T-Mack never did it. KD never did it. Steph never did it.

Ron never got to 35. Um, maybe Shaq. But I think, but I don't think, I don't think, I don't think Shaq did 34 for a year. Yeah. Um, I think Luca. Might be the answer. Lock it in. He's fucking.

Lock your fucking answer, all right. We're gonna, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, Wilk, Jordan,

Cobey, Luca. It is not, Luca, it is Rick Barry. What? Rick Barry? He's that fucking wing.

I'm lightheaded. If it wasn't minimum, 50 games, Elgin Baylor also would have been qualified, but he didn't play 50 games. Okay, what was Rick's number? It was like 35 point. What? I never knew that a day of my life, man. Yeah, I don't have one big boy. Never will. Hey, pass the move. Already? I know it's going to be milk him up. Get him ready.

Take the question off the screen. Let's get a good, good angle of him. Oh, I'm in trouble. Oh, fuck. I ain't eat one wing, man. That's crazy. Want to join him? Hell not. All right. Come on. You know, I'll eat it with you, Donovan. I'll try. Hit the angles, through verticals. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, why not? You might got, man. I need one everyone's.

I would join you guys, but I'm cooked. Here we go. Oh, Big Boy Bites. A hell no. Wow, what are you is? Disgusting. I'm disgusting. I'm dizzy.

I'm legit lightheaded. It's just, I can't breathe. He's talking about. It's not all that serious. I'm not going to lie. It's really not that serious It's really not that serious I can't

What do you breathe It's disgusting You're all the dramatic is fun I can't Listen that It's just a wing I'm not going to lie That's not that it's crazy

That's like death What do you mean it's a wing I think it tastes fine I don't think it tastes gross Yo I'm sweating I think if it wasn't so hot it tastes good It didn't even go out on my throat Oh my god

If it tasted a little bit less hot I think it's a perfectly fine hot sauce It's disgusting Shit Both fucking ran out the studio Did nobody run? You said both y'all No I said Moe

You're so fucked up you can't hear Yo is hot man Like sweating Did you actually throw up? Dude, I'm sweating He can't even Get to my question He did that shit's in the toilet

He threw it up I'm okay though Hey fuck Put some more real quick Milk me again Come on man What the fuck I would have been dead on the show

If I ain't know my shit today Hey man you locked in You volunteered for that one too Salute Salute. What do I do this? Who thought you were the worst equipped for spicy food?

No, this swing sauce is just terrible. That's what I'm saying. And this is what I hate. Like when something's just spicy, just to be spicy. Yeah, exactly.

So you all think it tastes disgusting? Yes. The bomb tastes gross. Yeah. No, I actually think it tastes nasty. I think it tastes kind of good. No,

I think it's actually like horrific. Like, it's terrible. It's horrendous. I don't mind it. It tastes like death and sodium. That's it. Yeah, that's not good.

And that is our hot wood stream. Be so off to the brunt of it Hell yeah Type shit This is definitely not a good showcasing for bone and wings You want to do a third bite, dedicate to zero Fuck no Let me do zero bites dedicated to zero

Bro, dedicate to Iceman No Tonight's Iceman night What was that to do with You're gonna be so chill tonight That you can get hot now No All right

Hey man get these away from me dog They smell terrible too I don't, I told you from the start, I didn't like the smell. My mouth still burning too. Here. Damn. Here, take some more, dude. This is crap.

Damn. I'm the only one with a smile on my face. Disgusting. Now, I'm going to do a little swish graphic and on to the rest of TikTok time. All right. On to the rest of TikTok time. Are y'all's mouse still a little hot? Yeah.

I'm all right, though. I'm all right. Yeah. Hell yeah. I'm good. What's that movie on, man? Rejoice. We're at.

Let's do some drafts. Nice thing we're going to do. We are going to do a draft like you've been doing. We're going to see if we can build the best point guard in NBA history, random teams, random years, drawing a player from that team, hit the spin. You guys know what's my worst point out of? I'm a laptop.

Okay. All right. First team up, 2015 Timberwolves. Oh, everyone's bad. Who is the best point guard on the Timberwolves? Caleb was not here. No, but it's just point guards too. Oh, yeah, he was gone at this point.

Oh, yeah, they have no one. And again, it's just point guards. A Ricky Rubio year. Their point guards are, see if I fill the preposition. Moe Williams, Ricky Rubio, Zach Levine's listed out point guard this year. But we know he's not right. Yeah, no.

But if he's listed, we're going to take it, Zach Levine body. Do you want Zach Lee? Or we go to Ricky Rubio passing. The Ricky Rubio passing is like elite. But whatever point guard we have, the fact that he can jump 48. inches in the air. Yeah, but it's also Ricky's

Acklevin. He was skinny. It's not the best body. He can still jump. He can still jump. It's true. Ricky's aclavin was listed at point guard. Do we want to do you want that? We could do it. I mean, that's what he tried to be at the start of his career. So do you want his body? I think his past might be a better strength. Rick, Ricky. You know what? We'll go body because that is an all-time strength

for Zach Levine. Let's do body. Okay. Zach Levine body. We'll take that. Am I voted? All right. Next spin. Here we go. Where are we going? we can finally pass 2005 thunder Jesus Christ

might have been when they were the Hornets That's there's still the Supersonics 2005 Oh yeah yeah Super Sonics roster Fuck Who is the point guards On this team

If we can get like a defender Or some basketball IQ Bro we got Luke Rittenauer Antonio Daniels And Matine Cleaves Is the point guards Got you got you gotcha Mattee Cleans

Okay Mattee Cleets Hey Luke Rittenauer What did he do Luke Rittenauer was a Who had the most assists out of annual? Luke Rittenauer average seven assists. Basketball IQ.

You know what? He's a smart guy. Luke Rittenauer, he plays a game the right way. Exactly. He's a coach on the court. He's so good on the white boy. First one in, last one out of the locker room. Basketball IQ.

Rittenauer basketball IQ. This is not good, okay. And I'm sure some people's IQ would be better if they could perform, if they could jump. Oh, 2019 Dane. 2019 trail budget. Just give us Damien and Lillard shooting. Hell yeah. Don't even got to converge about it.

Let's do it. All right. Kind of like this. It's not too bad so far. We're cooking. I bet right now it's a genius. Probably. You got to be.

Maybe. 2014 warriors. We could have had a shooting. Fuck. I know we could have stuff. That's tough. But we could take step finishing. Underrated as a finishing.

Yeah. But not in 2014. He was good. He was still hating. He was still under the rim. Had crazy English. But do we want to try to get somebody at like an elite finisher? Like,

who be slamming shit. Yeah, not just like low-key. We have Zach Levine's body. He could jump 48 inches in the air. Okay, who else are the point-garde? He has a 60-inch vertical. He has Tony Douglas, Steph Curry, and Steve Blake are the point-guards on this roster. I'm not picking any of the guys.

We don't want his defense. We knew better than stuff passing in 2014. All right. Stuff-Carrie finishing. Whatever, yeah. So, finishing's not bad. I'm not mad at that. We just can't dunk.

That's cool. He wasn't a bad thing. We can dunk. We have Zach Levine's body. Oh, that is true. You're right. We're slamming. 21-11.

Milwaukee Bucks Oh, you know you got to pick Brandon Jennings Brandon I don't want to do that Pete Jennings We see listen to that point guard Point guards

We got Earl Boykin Earl Boykin Keon dueling and Brandon Jennings How many assists did he average that you? Not many In 2011 he averaged 4.8 assists

You know what Keon dueling used to move his feet You're not a traditional point guard Duly he's to move his feet. He can move it. Yeah, he can move them puppies. Who was K on duly? Not too much.

Yeah, I don't know that. Is he? Yeah. He played one year in Boston in 2012. Legend. It's memorable. Was he a good defender? Can move them puppies.

You know what they say? Isaiah Thomas tried. Yeah. Yeah. Who's on the name of my saying? I said Earl Boykin was on this team? Yeah. Was Earl Boykin a good defender at 5'5?

No. What? You know, her book he was 5'5. I didn't know he was 5'4. 5. What the hell? That was my guy. Brennan Jennings passing.

Listen, it's a new day. It's 2026. We don't need traditional point guards. We don't need people to come up and run sets. People to run plays. Get downhill. We're not going to be a passing. We're going to score Brandon Jennings passing.

Okay. Okay. The ultimate roll the ball out. K. K. Hump duly moved his feet. I don't know who that is. 2003, Phoenix Suns. Okay.

He wasn't on the team yet. I don't think, right? I think he was on the Mavs. I can remember the years. 2003, they had Randy Brown at point guard. Stefan Marbury. Okay. I asked Stefan Marbury defense.

Or Randy Brown, who is six-foot-two, three-time NBA champ with Chicago. average 1.7 steals in the game for a year one time. I bet Rennie Brown is a better defender. And you know what? We are going to take that defensive playmaking and the three-time champion, the championship experience put that in up.

Oh, wait, but it's the last year of his career when he wasn't getting no minutes. Dang. Hey, but it's a game. But that's probably because last year of his career, he's old. You put him in Zach Levine's body, rookie Zach Levine's body, he can get those 1.7 skills again.

I think he had the pick, Stefan Marbury. That's what I'm saying. We don't have to take Marbury's defense. We don't have to do that. Listen, Marbury's athletic and we make him only focus on defense. Yeah, we lost, man. Chad, let us know. Comment section.

Is this the greatest point guard of all time? It don't matter who we pick. We lost. Is this just Dane? With like six, five. Dames better. Dane is better than this. Yeah.

It sucks ass. Yeah, he's a better passer. Oh, man. Barbary. Next thing we're gonna do, you know, we just tried to build the greatest point guard of all time. I don't see that was a failure. Safe to say?

Yeah, probably. That's putting it nicely. Yeah. I just had a little scratch my throat. Some of the heat hit me again. There was a little sauce. It's fair. It's fair.

It's like, oh, there's more? It choked on it. Come on, man. Now we're gonna try to draft. The worst point guard of all time. Same thing with the inverse goal. Watch us build a game this time. So, spin that wheel.

Let's try one more time. 2001 rockets. Lightwork. All right. Who was on the 2001 Rockets? Oh, hell yeah. St. Francis. No.

That might be two of them. Screen's frozen. Two thousand. Come on, 2000. Who's on this roster? The reference pages have been messing us up

recently. Really? In 2001 Rockets, we have Steve Francis. Nice. We have Mucci Norris and Sean Colson, who I don't know who that is.

We're going to take Steve Francis Basketball IQ. Are you sure? Finishing? No. Finish it? What's he listed at?

63, right? 63. Yeah. Not a terrible body. No. He could jump. Yeah, good. Good.

Good. Yeah, it's because Steve Francis' body. He's been athlete. Yeah. It's an athletic point guard. Okay. That's fun, at least. Yeah, right?

I guess. He could jump. We're making the worst one. Oh, yeah. Y'all, I'm making the worst one. Oh, I mean, sorry, my, sorry. I mean, I'm sorry. I mean, you know what's funny?

You said basketball like you, and I was like, does he know who it is? my man okay we start no Steve Francis okay so yeah what is Steve Francis

his worst attribute that's what I'm saying like probably basketball IQ hey you know this is 2001 this is year two he had 3.3 turnover is a game we can go basketball IQ

for Steve Francis yeah we're good or is he a good defender I doubt it we'll live we'll just put basketball okay and keep we'll live

next one 2011 Phoenix Suns that's where that's where the Steve Nash defense comes Oh, hell yeah. Oh, we can get old Steve Nash's defense?

Yeah. So it's either old Steve Nash defense or old Steve Nash body. I love the word. Oh, his body sucked. Yeah. His body was not t. She was not snatched. They also have Aaron Brooks, Zabian Dowdell, and Goran Drogic.

I feel like we should pick like the stars. Okay. And pick the worst of the stars. Steve Nash body or defense? 2011. He made All-Star again the year after that. He wasn't completely falling off yet. He played 75 games.

His body wasn't falling apart yet. It was two years away from his body falling apart. So let's just go defense. Just go defense. Yeah. His body was still decent. Not a good body, though. He's very small.

On the tail end. Yeah, on the tail end. Okay. But defense is a good pick. Am I feeling a third wave? Third wave of him. It's crazy. 2003 Pelicans.

So that was 2003 Hornets? Hornets. Yes. Oh, this is going to be nasty. He's going to be light work. This is the year they tanked and then they got Chris Paul. So we have we have Baron Davis. We have Courtney Alexander and Kenny Anderson. Okay.

Barron Davis. In 2000, what I say three? Yeah. This is in between his great years. Okay. What was the passing like in 2003? Are we getting six four assists? He could pass.

35% of three. You shoot a little bit. Damn. It's probably the shooting. No, he shot well. He shot well that year. Yeah, he shot six. On six threes, he made like,

35% of me. Damn. That is one of the fun things about Barry Davis that like he was just chucking sometime. Yeah, he just shot. But like, I feel like his passing and his finishing and his body are better traits than his shooting.

So are we saying we have to pick from the starting point guard. Yeah, because like we can go to the guy. Yeah, and just troll. Okay. Then I guess we've got to go Barry Davis shooting. It's got to be inconsistent shooting. Okay. And just hope that he shoots the side of the gym.

Okay. There's definitely the other stuff he's great at. Yeah, you're right. There's so many years. saw like 27% from 3. 2018 Cavaliers. Starting point guard was George Hill. Give me that weekend's body.

Whoa. Was Isaiah Thomas here too? This was when they made a bunch of trades. Yeah, Isaiah Thomas was here as well. Okay, he started for a little bit. Isaiah Thomas body, yeah. There you go. Broke down on him.

Yeah, let's do this. We're five foot six. Oh, hip is cooked. His man, body and body. Yo, the spice got you fried. Your own body and body. Oh, man. IT bodies is disgusting.

We won. Remember he was a Laker the next year? Yeah. Insane. What are the odds? I know. What's the... Next up, 2013, Oak A.C. Thunder.

Russ passing or finishing? Can we take Derek Fisher? No. We probably have to go Russ Passing just because this is before Russ is, like, putting everything together, and this is at the time that his passing isn't at its peak, obviously. so it probably is passing man if we pick the rest passing we're not going to be a bad one guard

who else are we picking Reggie Jackson come on how many games did Reggie start none that was not that was not his role oh man

Eric Mayer I wish we saved shots to Eric Mayer I haven't heard that thing forever he was there Russ is finishing is probably He's amazing at both these things.

He's going to yam on anybody. What matters more? Okay, we're 5-8. Keep that in mind. You go get mad turn. He's not yet. He's going to get, who's going to block to oblivion? Bro, he's not yammy.

He's not getting anybody. It was Isaiah Thomas's body in 2018. Give us Russ finishing. His land package isn't that crazy? Fair. He's going to try. Yeah, he's going to try. Yeah.

Give us that. Yeah. He only saw 43% this year too. So, we're right. That's cool. Last one. Passing. 2,000 sons.

Who was their point guard starting in this year? Let me see. Please. Give us a ball hog. 2,000 sons. Give us a ball hog. Good chance. It was a score of a point guard.

Jason Kidd and Kevin Johnson are on this team. Fuck. Damn it. Ooh. Can't do it. Jason Kitt started every game. We're fried, man. Got MVP votes.

Yeah. Jason good passing. 14 and 10. But you know if Jason Kitt was 5'8? That goes a long way. That comes a long way. I feel like everybody else. Once you get a bad body, everything else is minus 10, minus 10.

15 attributes. Jason Kitt was 5-8 and his IQ went from Jason Kidd IQ to Steve Francis. His passing went on. Yeah. No, man, that's fucked up. This is just Tyler Ulyss. That's fucked up, man. I mean, shit, this is Isaiah Thomas.

Not too much. Not too much. Not too much. Little four. That's the last thing. I feel good about this one. Yeah. Not bad.

Next thing we are going to do. Oh, I'll push up. I asked you guys on a community. Post to let us know what you think are the biggest failures in the NBA during the 2020s. We are going to react to their picks for the biggest failures and rate it 1 through 10 based on how big of a failure we think it is all things considered. Okay, let's do it. First off, what we got? First one.

Let's go read your souls. All right. The Sun's trading for Bradley Beal to make a big three. Oh, that's a big failure. Yeah, it's out there. I think it might be a 10 out of 10 because you got like you got no playoff series wins. Swept. Once you trade for Kevin Durant, you tell the world, we are ready to win a championship.

You were absolutely not in a position to win a championship. And everybody just kept saying, like, even me, I understand. Game's about a bucket. Too many buckets? Not enough passing. You got to set yourself up for failure. I'm going to go 10. It makes it even feel worse than the 10.

It feels like a 13 because how guys talked about this roster, meaning like Devin Berk, I remember in like a preseason interview who was like, yeah, There's three of us. How you go to guard us? Matt Ispia after they got first rounded by the Minnesota Timberwood's crazy work. He was like, oh, yeah. If I ask all 29 other GMs, which was Russia would they rather have? Mine or theirs.

They would say ours with no fucking flexibility with a no trade clause on your team. You're crazy. His body was made a bullshit and he was like, I'm the sexiest. Yeah, but he's ridiculous. They died hard on this hill that it was going to work. And you know what sucks? Kevin Durant was coming off of a stretch of Nets basketball that was so fucking amazing that we had to get better.

for the doubt that you add him to what they got with Devin Booker surely they'd be contenders one move was able to nullify all of that this is a 12 out of 10 that team made the finals two years prior and then added Kevin Durant and stripped it all down yeah yeah this is one of the biggest failures in 2020s for sure super tough next the anti-flopping rule the rest were calling it for like three games of the season and then never did it again yeah i'm gonna say it to be failure because i'm fucking sick and tired of hearing about flopping discourse while it doesn't bother me I recognize it bothers other people and I would love to stop hearing their tears about it. So yes, I do wish they think they institute this rules more.

I think they need to start finding players. That's what they tried to do. Yeah. And then they never did. Yeah, man, I get it. So the biggest loser is Adam Silver not having a backbone. I do think it's crazy that- it comes down to Adam Silver and not having a backbone.

I do think it's crazy that the NBA just like implements rules and just stops enforcing it. It's crazy. That's insane. The floppy rule, another one that I haven't seen in a minute, a take foul. well people stop people stop doing it because of the penalty so that's a good rule okay i guess but you're right some of these did happen sometimes where they have these like remember a couple years ago jordan pool i called for like three carries and three games oh yeah yeah silence for 82 more

games it's kind of insane yeah stand on something if you're gonna make a rule make it facts 10 at 10 failure because of inconsistency all right next zion williamson and john moraine damn dude zion with that beard looks so crazy it never looked right they have just their names no context no jokes no argument points just their names you know what's up just failure just failure they're supposed to be next up

yeah we had a little gap in like superstars rising we're like who's gonna be on team USA because the NBA put all their marketing dollars into these two guys they were supposed to be next up and you know what happened guns and buns guns and buns guns and buns guns and buns yeah man r-repy

salute hashtag guns and buns in the comments let me see it Okay RIP Next Dallas Mavericks Losing Jalen Brunson and Luca is just crazy This is a generational fumble

It really is I never thought about it this way They did lose two The 10 best players in the world Yeah This is a generational fumble We never seen the organization Do this for no reason

At the same position too Yeah like everything that Jalen Brunson You wanted him to be He went out when Luca When Luca was hurting the second round Against the Utah Jazz gave them fucking 40. He was so consistent.

And then you just let him walk because you don't want to pay him too much. Come on, man. Yeah, that's the craziest part. He's like, you lost both of them by choice. Yeah. Like, you didn't want to pay Brunson and then you traded Luca Donchitz.

Worst trade in NBA history, potentially. Not potentially it is. We can say that for sure firmly. Easily say that. All right. Worst trade in NBA history. You know what's funny.

Losing Brunson is like kind of understandable in the moments. Now you look double stupid because you did something stupid after. You did a stupid amplifier. So all your past moves look all the more stupid They haven't been smart in 10 years Exactly

I don't know what they've ever been smart now That's how stupid the Luca Dutja Trade is We'll rewrite 35 years of history That's what makes the Cooper Flagg lottery win Even worse because like how do these dummies Keep getting in the luck? I don't know You can't keep getting away with this Adam Silverman

It all comes back to you He's a great writer You got a milk mustache I got a what? You got a milk mustache Do I? Yeah I can't see on camera let me see you Got milk head eyes

oh i do you do you dried ass milk listen I was drowning man you were I'm drowning all right next

the king's fumbling if you ever sing A boogieing me again I lose your mind He had a run man Come on Yeah he did have a run Come on

Not too much All right The king's fumbling The 2023 Bean team Is this a failure Or is this just like reality coming down to earth. No, I think it is.

I think it is a fair. It's not a 10 out of 10 failure like the other ones where this is probably more like four out of 10 because you are the Kings like you did just have like a blip and you guys just played extremely well. But to go from the beam team and all the good vibes and within 12 months, everything just be cooked. Coaches fired. Darren Fox is traded like so much stuff changed in a year and a half after that.

That just sounds to me like something that happens if you pay attention to history. even a little bit. That sounds like the Kings being the Kings and not being the reality. We always talk about don't overreact the small sample sizes. You overreacted to a small sample size. The Kings being normal. You should have known this would happen. That's why it's not a 10 out of 10.

That's why zero out of 10 to me. This is shit being regular. Yeah, it didn't really like one out of 10 for real. Like I remember going into the next offseason, Mike Brown was like, yeah, man, we didn't really make any changes. Meanwhile, every other team in the West is getting better. And they're like, yeah, our growth comes from internal. Keegan Murray.

You're next. Keegan Murray? Me? I'm Paul George? Fuck. This is steep, man. I'm coiling here? Hell no.

My 22-year-old ass? Yeah, one at a ten. Hardly a failure. Yeah, no one cares. Don't give a fuck. All right. Next. Bucks going all in for Dame

and effectively ending the Janus title window has to be up there. That's tough. We're feeling the effects now. All this goddamn drama of him. Will I leave? Will I stay?

Will I leave? Will I stay do I like Miles Turner do I hate Miles Turner all of this stems back to the day Miller trade not working 10 out 10 failure first of all he hates Miles Turner sure that's That's one two of course this is this is 10 out of 10 like they were supposed to go ban for Bain with the Celtics and the east I thought that'd be better in 2024 after the trade happened I thought this would be a Kobe and shack level dynamic duo that can't be stopped me too I was so scared oh shaking my boots They were in

They were in the in the playing Not not in the plane In the end season Oh yeah In season tournament Making it a run Oh maybe that's a good point then It can't be a failure

They got jewelry Come on now man Yonis lifted a trophy With Dave He only said that because he got jewelry From that too I forgot I got jewelry That two

Yeah Lebrose got two The three I got jewelry from that too Let's go We all got jewelry Back here with shit man Fuck

You can even get the IST We cast team Exactly He's giggling He doesn't have an IST championship. I don't think this is going to be a 10 out of a two. And have your titles up before segregation. Not as much.

Facts. You're going to say about that and I'll be. I dare you. Lakers got 5'2 before segregation. Just saying. We guess response. No, you have more.

Fair. Oh, yeah. 10 out of 10. 0 out of 10. If you valued IST, like us true NBA fans do. I don't know if it can be 10 out of 10. The Knicks might be the first team in NBA history to complete a double to get to get two.

happening. Slow down. Entirely too much. It's on the table right now. There's one Shay ankle turned away from it happening. Sure. Anything's possible? I guess so. If that happens, I'll be so mad. We're the first team ever to win two championships in one season? I'm going to Madd as a square

guard myself and taking the L.A. O'Brien Trophy. Y'all don't deserve that. They're going to kill you. It's also a good thing we don't keep it there. You don't know about that though. We don't know. Real question. We're down keeping. Why would I tell you? When you just said you want to robin.

I'm just curious. You're actually inspiring. Why would you? No. You actually think I'm stupid. I can Google this. It's like, yeah, I want to rob it. What do you hold it?

What's the code? All right, next. The Pistons giving the absolute bag to Monty Williams. What was the bag of the game? Is it a hundred million? Yeah, it was like 20 million a year. Yo, that's the hit of the century, man. Are they still paying them?

Yes. You know, you know what long it takes to pay off $100 million? this. To someone you don't employ. They got a wave and stretch that bitch. He got six years, $78.5 million. Oh,

damn, he got a nasty. And then after he got fired in 2024, they still had $65 million on the books. Oh, my goodness, man. He was the highest-based coach in the NBA.

And his ass is playing Killian Hayes and Kate Cunningham together. And what I know what I got to say about this? Forcing the ball to Killian. This is the greatest argument for Chris Paul's legacy. You are a top 20 player of all time because you got Monty Williams, a generational bag by turning the

2021 sons around so unbelievably well everyone said it's got to be him I got to give him ultimate riches good job Chris I really did

get people paid salute salute salute salute next guys forgot about how the bubble

Lakers fell apart so fast felt like basically every decision that front office made upheed what made that team so good

culminating in Lakers Westbrook and giving up Caruso for an insane bet on ThtT Tht Tht T-HT

and pick. I'm gonna name you several things that happen. Tell me what's the worst one. Trade for Russell Westbrook. That's the worst one. Yeah. That's the worst one. Letting Caruso walk so you can pay, THT. Refusing to trade for Kyle Lowry in the year he could have been a

championship winner because you wanted to keep THT. Yeah. Howdy Mark Nassau, who's a perfect pair with Anthony Davis, benching him and ruin your relationship for goddamn Andre Drummond. I forgot about drummer. Okay, that's kind of up there. It's about number three. What else?

Fire and Frank Vogel hiring the handman. The hand man. The hand man. Mr. Pocket. That is true. I forget about that. The hand man.

Drafting jail and the head of Chafito and Daltes connecting back to back years. Just a few of the small things that happened to ruin the LeBron James area of the Lakers. Not a single good young player, but outside of Austin reason, but he wasn't even drafted. Just get your team to the trade deadline, though.

That'll be all right. I know they locked in. that every trade deadline, got to a worth of conference finals, you didn't even need all of that to be successful. Imagine if I had all that. She didn't need it. Three Pete.

All right. No, I mean, not really. They should have went back to back easily in 2021. If they didn't have the short and off season, they still went back to back. If they just had a normal year, dealt with that, didn't overreact, don't get Russell Westbrook. They undoubtedly

win two championships in this era. That's fine. Not three feet, but that's fine. I'm joking. But like, but if, I don't know. All right. Let's stop. Hell not. Listen, man, you beat the box.

He was dreaming. You beat the bucks and the warriors if all things are well, that's not impossible. Can you imagine Learron 3 p. Yes,

I can imagine it plainly? It'd be beautiful. You ask you, can I imagine Nirvana. That's a little brawn thing. I'm like, yes, I can imagine Nirvana.

You never did it. Yes, I can imagine my wildest dreams. I see it every night. I had multiple shots at three feet. He did. He did, he did.

Never got there. I mean, technically everybody's multiple shots of three feet. If you could play six years or more. Fair, fair, fair, No got to single him out

20-20 Clippers That's it That's all you need to say Big failure They're talking about the battle of L.A Who's gonna come out of the playoffs L-A R-A R-Way L-A R-Way

Got the ass Wax You thought the neighborhood Basketball courts are gonna save you We still don't rock with you like that I appreciate the goals though Appreciate the part Yeah shout out You know

Making the community better Nobody give a fuck Nobody did. Nobody cares. I will still play on the Clippers Court with my Lakers jersey. You have people, yeah, media members saying this is the greatest starting five we'd seen in the modern NBA. Yeah, right. Who was it?

Who was your starting five? Patrick Beverly, Paul George, Kaui Leonard, Marcus Morris. Do you watch? Yeah, I remember when they did trade for Marcus Morris, and it was a heist. And they had Montrez and Loua coming off the bench. They did. Multiple other good players off the bench. They were loaded.

They were absolutely loaded. Not shit to show for it. Terrence, man. Terran's man Tough Not shit to show for it The Rudy Go Bear Stopper

Terran's man Tough This is not much to say Just 10 out of 10 And then everything happened after that The fact that they could never Put it back together

For various health reasons Of various stars Super failed era All right Next Warriors going for the two Timeline shenanigans Shenanigans

Is a funny way to frame it Yeah I mean They got a championship Out of it So I hesitate to say It's one of the biggest failures. I'm not going to give it a 10 out of 10. But it is a 5 out of 10 failure. They maybe could have got another one or competed better and give and stuff a better

twilight phase if they had traded some of those picks or hit on them or something other than getting the exact players they did. Five out of 10 failure. I don't know, man. I think they didn't win a championship so it cannot be a 10 out of 10. I almost want to give this like a 7 out of 10 though because it did soil all the years after that championship because once time has come and you don't have Angel Wiggins on your team anymore. Seth, maybe he's like that. slows down a little bit. You offshore, Jordan, pool, whatever.

You, all these young players that could have been other assets, like, I don't know, a past Gossiakum or any other player you can think of who was up for trade at that time for that time, they wouldn't be in this position right now to where they're fighting for the lives in the playing, you know, and they're not even in the playoffs. It's an 8 out of 10 because the players that they picked, it would have been a success that they just hit on one, but they pick James Wiseman. He's out here rapping. Pick the Mingo.

They pick Minga. He's on another team. Our's rap's nice. Come on. It might be. There's some good NBA rappers. There's some. He's like a Ken Carson type rapper.

Oh, brother. I think. Jordan Poole's been on two teams since he left the Warriors. Do I look crazy if I just like drink the Saratoga at the big ass bottle? I do it. That's a hell. Gangsters are. You do look crazy.

Yeah. Stop. The kingpin. yeah we drink saratoga like this it's so bad sure from the side it's so there you go oh i ain't like that i ain't like that it doesn't even taste good this water that one that was clean i like that yeah big failure yeah 10 out of 10 man yeah yeah pretty much sucks. Definitely the big three nets.

How that team never even made it to the finals is baffling to me. Well, let me tell you about a global pandemic. Let me tell you about a guy named Kyrie Irving who didn't have a good time during the pandemic. Let me tell you about a guy named Dr. Sebi. Yeah, it's definitely 10 out of 10. For them to never get to a conference finals is ridiculous. I think about this a lot, actually. I like find myself routinely every few months thinking about the fact that prime James

Harden prime Kevin Durain, Prime Kyrie Irving, were on the same team, played for nine games together, were utterly dominant and had nobody in front of them to win the East outside of the Bucks. We're up two O. We're up two O'O on the Bucks, and he did one of the two guards to stay healthy, couldn't get a single one, and then never got back there.

And they got swept the next year. They got swept the next year. By zero. And James Harden, Hamstring, took four years to recover. The series of events that he's got, all that's come true is crazy. The most unlucky fan base I've ever seen. They got bad luck for life, man.

What did Josai do to deserve this? He has some skeletons in his closet that he got cursed like this? Now he's rocking with MPJ. The rocked one MPJ. And Yeager. Shout out. 10 out of 10, man. One of the craziest what-ifs in NBA history.

You got like the eighth pick this year or something. They just kissing and Fleming, Deming Hoops, is going crazy. Super tough. I think they got six. They got six. Yeah. I just know they moved down. Yes, it's tough.

It's tough regardless. Eight was last year. The Hawks trading three first round picks and a pick swap for DeJante Murray to the spurs to be shipped out in two years. I forgot. I forgot the competition. Three in a pick swap for DeJante? This is one of my favorite failures. This is one of my top ten favorite failures in the decade because it never made sense.

Not for a single second. Did it make sense to look at Trey Young, see him get you to a conference finals and say, how do I allow my point guard to take the next step from my city? How about I get him a point guard? I never was that smart. Yeah. I mean, I understand the idea Because it's like, okay

At the time, DeJohnson Murray was like A good defender, top of his class actually Do you understand the idea or do you remember hearing them say the idea? No, I understand. Come on out. I understand the idea. I don't understand it. Yeah, and you want to have another guy who can get buckets off Because Trey was overtaxed and shit. I get it. Obviously, disgusting overpay

We're past these days now. 10 out of 10 still. Definitely set our organization back. I heard them. never understood it I can squint and see the see the vision you know it makes it even worse also too because like right after this I think maybe like a month month and a half later that's when the whole Katie stuff came

came alive and he was available to like I thought like you shot yourself for no reason traded three first round picks you think he would have liked playing with Troy probably not no probably not what is Katie like Katie loves playing with a point guard kiddie didn't like playing with step curry i don't know if katie would like anything could you could you

imagine katie in film sessions when he's trying to be like yo tray you got to play defense and nobody saying anything yeah fair fair fair it wouldn't have been pretty he has a big time failure i can squint and understand the idea of getting a two-way creator next to treyong yeah that is not jonté murray like the idea of him being this great off-ball player that could coexist with him that's the hard it was always going to be taking turns and the ceiling is only so high exactly that's the hard part we didn't really like think about it fully offensively as to how these who are going to mess together. They absolutely didn't.

And at the point in the trade for him, we already kind of saw the slippage of his defense a little bit. Because the year before that, he became the offensive star and wasn't defending like that. So the idea of trying to get somebody who's not trying as hard defensively anymore, bring him in and say, go back to doing the dirty work, stop being a buck getting star. That's never going to work.

Yeah. We've seen it work, but in like way smaller scales. Like Aaron Gordon, for instance. Sure, sure. Go ahead and stop being. And stop trying to be the one-a guy and go ahead and play defense. Jante Marie is far off from that. And it's different because Aaron Gordon

wasn't ever good as a 1A guy. Jeante was just an all-star. Yeah, exactly. Having someone tastes the accolades of being an all-star and say go back to being a role guy. He'll want to do that. Never going to do that. He won't even do that.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So it was tough. Spurs ran off, man. McKill Bridges wasn't even an all-star for real. He just kind of looked sort-ish like an all-star. And it took him three years and start playing defense again. But he's back.

He's locked. He's locked. He is locked. They had to convince his ass for 36. was. All right. Next. Oh my God. The easy answer is Nico Harrison trading Luca Donchish, but I think the biggest failure has to be Yokic's playoffs this year.

He folded so hard that now I think everyone unanimously agrees he isn't the best in the world and Wembe is better and Wembe is the better center and now his entire career is being called fraudulent. Yeah, welcome to life of being the best in the world and not having any down periods and finally getting in time for people to get the licks off. They're going to be dramatic. Why he biting his lip like that?

frustrated it is frustrating anthony edwards is around it is stupid it is a 10 out of 10 failure to go out in the way that that you did

and to have your chain snatch as best in the world yeah I think like this decade so far we haven't seen a star player go out like this at all where like there's no you lost you're going up against a team that doesn't have their best player

And also they lost their best shooter as well. You know what it looks like. Unfortunately. Looks a little Joelle and Beed-lit, like, looks a little Embedish. Their worst nightmare getting fruition. Now they're the one going outside. Embed-like. Has anybody lost the war harder than Nuggets fans?

You look like Embed now? Come on, man. Unfortunate. This is definitely up there. I hesitate to say it's one of the biggest failures of a decade because they just weren't as good as people hoped. So it's fine. It's not like you're the one seed.

I mean, they lost in the second round. that'll be okay. First round. Yeah, no, it's a bad loss. No, ain't? No, Dante. I'll miss the game too. Never mind. Fuck, it fire everybody. No, it is. I think it's the worst from a superstar this decade, for sure. Yeah, okay. All right. Next. Zachary Frus Shea took him at pick number one just for him to be a mid bench player. And that's doing a lot. And that's doing a whole lot. He doesn't play. Mid. You wish he was mid. You'd be ecstatic if who's mid. Him or Prime Harrison Barnes. Oh, what the hell? I don't know, man. Prime Harrison Barnes is a bucket.

Timerson Barnes is a beast. One needed. This is tough. That's all I could say, man. He doesn't even watch Harrison Bowers. Him or Prime Corey Brewer. Prime Corey Brewer. I, bro.

Cory Brewer dropped 50 now. Zach doesn't have 50 in his bag, sadly, so I'll take Prime Cory Brewery. I'm going to score 15 a month. He's taking prime court. Listen, man. Your three Zach would be straight. Oh, shit. You're three Zach's.

going to be straight man just watch yeah okay all right next adam silver letting solomon hill exist how dare he oh talking about the whole lebron thing how dare he let this happen how dare he let him end lebron's prime did he get suspended for that no it was just a regular play he didn't do anything wrong he just fell down a lot of people will still cling on to that talk about how brawn hasn't been the same since then it's true yeah at that point in 2021 lebron was still like the fastest player on the court still had the quick first step looking pretty much the same as he did in 2018 yeah that was like the most freakish

injury that he's had yeah dope for the ball straight on that ankle tough all that ankle stiffness gone and now solomon hill will be in the history books forever for the lebron jane's fans didn't lebron say that he still feels it to the day in like some random interview yeah i don't know if i believe him but he did say that he did say that

he can't believe he said up so i'm not the same it's crazy that he'd still be better without a freak injury like that's insane yeah he'd still be bet and Jason Tatum without for that ain't cool. All right. Next one.

He would be. Last one. Speaking of LeBron James, next thing we're going to do today. Season's over. Potentially. LeBron's career as a Lakers over. Let's rank the five teams

that we want to see him play for next year in terms of reality, what would make sense, whatever may be, what are the top five teams for LeBron to play for next year? Top five teams. Number one.

What's the best outcome, number one? Going to say Warriors. No. Call him the fuck down. Hell no, that'd be terrible. Best for him, best for the teams, whatever it looks like. That's not the Warriors. Go in the state.

Oh, she could be on the list, not number one. Hell no. Definitely not them. I mean, it's number one, just the Lakers staying. Oh, that's boring. It might be the best for him, though. Oh, is that? In terms of, like, winning a championship and all that?

Probably not. If he takes a pay cut, especially, which he doesn't have to, because it's right to not. But if he won't. He will never take a pay cut. He might. I think with him, it's like, if you give me a reason to, maybe I will. but if you're going to, Rob Blink is going to sit around and fart and do nothing,

I'm not going to take a pay cut just to make him feel better. No, I don't think he's taking a pay cut. Nah. Well, he said last year, I would if you got me Clay Thompson. So, like, if you told me I can go out and get Walker, Kessler, or whatever the fuck, and it's meaningful, he would take some sort of pay cut. Like a mill, two, three mil, maybe, but. You know how like two minutes ago you said that LeBron said something, you don't believe.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's how I feel now. Like, until he doesn't, you're just talking. So you don't think of it. If Rob Blinko says LeBron, we can sign Tari Eason, but you gotta take 10 million a year and say that 25, you don't think you do it?

What? For Tori? I'm losing 10 milpins. What? Why, I take my shoe and beat him in a playoff. What? I literally just beat him in a playoff season and I'm gonna lose money because of him. He was to fending the fuck out of LeBron.

I feel like LeBron. I'm not losing money over Tari Easton if I'm LaBron. Okay, I'm pretty sure he would, but whatever. Hell no. I'm pretty sure he would. Is Lakers number one? I think I say Lakers number one in terms of winning a championship

and They are not going to best fit. Yeah, best fit. They're the only team that can give him money. If he wants to make $25 million a year and get what he's worth, they're the only team that can do it and still contend. Yeah. You'd have to sign a minimum for the Cavs, right?

Yeah. Or they have to gut the roster. Let's gut it. Let's not. So Lakers won. After that, do you want to see a go home revival? Do you want to see a go home revival? I'm sick of it. That storyline's played out.

It's played out because he done before. It makes perfect sense, though. But if he did it, and retired home, did the retirement tour. Storyline will be beautiful. Yeah. Him or China as a cab but just a feel storybook. You can run back the hits.

Yeah, let's nostalgia max for one year, man. Yeah. If it's not broke, don't fix it. I guess. Maybe. I'm sick of it, though.

You want some of New York. You're sick of it. You've only seen it one time. He's only gone home once. That was enough. Don't go home. Yeah, that was enough. Okay.

Going back to her ex twice is kind of crazy. Definition. in Sanford? Yeah. Not double a minute. Well, the first time you got a championship, so I don't know. Tripling back? Yeah.

Nah. You got one time to get back together. After that, you're, you look. Come on. Yeah. What are we doing? Yeah, that's lock in, man. You're doing that lot.

Okay. So our Cavs number two, though? Yeah. Cabs two? Yeah, caps two. At three, though, I have a new favorite. If we joined the Spurs. Why the fuck were you join Spurs?

Bill Wembe. Help him take the next step. As a LeBrog fan and, like, shaping the narratives, his career, I'd fucking hate if he played with the next goat in this last year. Why? It kind of sounds cool. If he's going to do something like that, I'd rather go to the Warriors and do the unction. Personally.

That's unproductive as fuck. You're calling it the unction. Why not go ahead and they'll have the old goat pass the torch to the new goat and show him really how to win. I can imagine when we're getting bounced out of the Western Conference Finals. Bron comes up. So he'll young how to lead a team and they do it.

Man, what the fuck is he got to show Wemby at this point of their careers? Probably a lot. They're like, just teach him how to win like you said. Seems like Wemby kind of knows how to win. Does he? I guess we'll see. We'll see. We'll see.

We're talking about a failure here. I'm not, I'm not saying. It's a failure, but I'm not saying he's like. Okay, different question. I'm kind of joking. Do you think Webby's your step to that type of thing? Is Webby going to like be a little bro? I mean, if it's Brian, maybe.

You think so? You think you like that? I mean, not everybody would like that. Carrie didn't like this. I mean, he respects like the Tim Duncan, David Robinson. Sure. Yeah.

Because I'll stop them on the team. Yeah. He's a little different. Like, he's better than Braun. So Bronn coming in and being like, I'm going to sit well with him. I mean, when it comes to sit well with him, I don't know. But when it comes to that actual, like, me stuff on the court, yeah, we had to go ahead. He would.

Did you see the way he grabbed Harris and Barnes and neck? What's a figure two? Yeah, I was like. Is he going to do it to Bron? He going to tell Bronn. Bronn's going to tell him don't do that shit in the first place. And also teach him all the behind the scenes shit as well. Okay.

All right. So we got Lakers, Cavs, Spurs, there's possibilities. Denver. Denver. Now we're just talking. I know. Now we're just saying. Where else?

Where else? Denver will be interesting, though. I don't want to see LeBron go to that sinking shit personally. That would suck. At this point, we got to do the auction, man. And you know, Dr. Ma'am, I want to play with him. Come on. do it. He sounds for the minimum.

We trade Jimmy Buller for Kevin Durant. We put together Team USA. Come on, man. That's four. That's four. That's cool. Clay, come back. That's cruel.

Clay, come back to. Buy Clay out. Let's go back. Yeah, he doesn't want to be in Dallas anymore. Yeah, just buy him out. Who gets a fuck? There's no reason for him to be in Texas anymore. He has to go.

If we can get Steph, Clay, LeBron, KD. Dr. Blahons. Let's get back Clay DeMoy's Typhus. You know what he wants in the Bay. Yeah. Over there by the water He could be on the boat all day

Number five last spot I mean Do we want to go Knicks You stay away Nah You had your moment You had your opportunity Now that's not

And plus there's There's zero to happen Because they have so much money To pay people You're right Also you can't go to the team That just won the title Oh my God

That's not that's not okay Who's the last team That's possible for him to go to Is it just four? Yeah There's really not a lot of options Minnesota maybe Can I go across town?

Hit the clippers up? Oh, hell. That's the last thing I want for him. That would be so nasty. I'll come into the locker room, steal his shoes every game to make sure he don't lace up for them. If we're returning to Miami, nothing? No. No.

Fuck, no. That's even worse. I fuck that shit. He does four teams he can play for it next year. Hell no. Nope. We put the spurs on that list, for real? Yeah.

That'd be fun as hell. I mean, no. But we redid it. All right. That's a case. Denver's on that list. Let me have a top five And mix to yelker

For no reason Seder to the pistons Next thing we're gonna do Speaking of LeBron again It's too much LeBron LeBron LeBron LeBron LeBron This is a big heavy It wasn't supposed to be like this

I am going to show you guys A series of washed up NBA stars We're gonna put them into a tier list Not based on how good they are You guys are all washed It's about them at the end of their career In their twilight days of course Put them into a tier list

based on how they went out. Be souls, read off these years for us. All right. Iconic ending. You were still that guy. Respectable ending. Unk. Don't got it no more.

Cursed jersey image went outside. Yep. So it's about how the final, what's the final chapter of your book say? Okay. Okay. Who was up first? Who's the first guy?

First guy is LeBron. What do we do with 2026 LeBron James? I can't say he went out sad. No, certainly. I mean, you said like, guy, right? Relative to his age, nobody's ever been this good at this old. I would say respectable ending. I mean, you got swept, but it's still respectable. Well, he's not. Like, he's also not done. Yeah, yeah. So it's weird. So, yeah, some of them aren't done.

That's why I think you're still that guy. Because at this point, you're still averaging 20 plus at 41 years old. But it's not, it's certainly not an iconic ending. He didn't do nothing iconic in the past couple years. But I think if anybody deserves, you're still that guy, which kind of is relative to age, is LeBron. Still the guy for sure. Okay. If he would have had a game against okay C and had like a 2018 go to say Warriors moment, gave him like 40, 45. It's iconic. But he didn't do that.

Would it have been iconic to your gentleman swept? Yeah. Okay, so LeBron, everything's iconic. Hell yeah. Who am I to argue? Who's next? All right, next player. 2019, Dirk. He went out with Luca Dantches next to him.

That's kind of cool. Is that iconic to hand the torch like that? Iconic pictures. Maybe it would have been if Luke had stayed. Conic picture. Probably. He was just out there, though. You should run it around. Barely running.

It was more like power walking on the court. That was John Lure right there, man. He's doing nothing. He was posted. Yeah. So he certainly didn't have it anymore. It's respectable ending because he stayed on the same team. Yeah, but he didn't go outside.

Yeah. I think it's respectable. Yeah. So it's either he doesn't have it anymore or respectable ending. I think it's super respectable. He went out team legend, never left the team, handed the torch to Luca. the guy that honorary all-star picks

if he got honored and respected respected lending I think to be respectful lending if you stay on a whole team your whole career or you stay on one team

your whole career it's probably going to be at least respectable I agree team legend next 2014 KG

oh man this is the year they traded for him and they thought they'd contend they thought they built a super team and he immediately

played like half the minute he played the year prior then I'm not going to like this is a cursed image I actually don't think he's cursed you don't I don't think

curse. I just, he just did it happen. Yeah, Uncton Got it no more. But the Brooklyn Jersey makes it cursed. That was also a very shitty air of the jersey. They have like no trimmings and like the Texas bad. It's a very ugly jersey. They got nothing good going on right now, man. That picture at least was up there when it comes to

being the king of washed. Oh, the video of him yelling. Yeah. Like that's, you're washed, you're washed. Oh, yeah, but I think what you're describing is the definition of Ungstom Got him no more. They traded for him in his last All-Star season. Immediately stopped being an All-Star.

He just didn't got it. Got off of him at the perfect time. Yep. Now we got zero and seven. Hungdo got him more tough.

Next. 2016, Kobe. Iconic ending. Yeah, iconic as fuck. Yeah, again, like Dirk, one team your whole career, you stayed, never left, and then you had that type of game.

How much you dropped in the final game? 60. 60. 60. Remember where you were when it happened? I was at my house. What were you doing? Grant?

Yeah. Bring a jersey? Yes, I was. Yes, you were. Yeah. You have the tears with the jersey. Dedicate those tears to him. Of course.

Naturally. See, it's obvious what he did. It's iconic. It's iconic. Facts. I'm tearing up right now, just thinking about it. I was crazy. I think I fell asleep, woke up on the rerun, and did not touch my phone at all to make it feel like I'm still watching it live.

Dedication? Yes. That was that respectable? Probably not. I'm going to let you live. I'm going to let you live. But 60 points in the last game, crazy. Super iconic.

Next, 2026 Clay. Oh, man. Curse jersey image. Why is he on the map? Curse jersey image went outside. Yeah, man, this is just bad. Oh, went on. And then make stuff.

Went outside. Go ahead. Put it down a tear. Yeah. Yeah. He was out there getting blocked by himself. Just shooting the ball going backwards. Blind his head.

That's tough. And every woman on social media is like, who is this bum to think he can do such a thing? Went outside. Man, that's a four-time champion. That's who that is. Yon. When not sad.

Super tough. And no one makes it more sad. I mean, he's kind of... He was supposed to play with Luca. Here he goes. It's part of, man. For the record, I didn't start none of this today, man. This is his bag.

He put you on the silver champ screen. He was, he was his own Instagram live like two days later on the boat. Was that real? Just being Clay Thompson. I thought that was fake. I don't know. You fell for it. They just pulled her all.

I was fake. I said, I don't know. I don't know. I was not going to use my media literacy to figure out if the AGI live was real in that moment. You should have. No, he went outside. All right. Next.

2003 Michael Jordan, Wizards MJ. Is it not really a cursed image? You put two years there. Maybe it was one year and be a cursed jersey image. It's not that. He averaged with 20.

And he still had it. It's not really respectable. You were still kind of that guy. Yeah, because you have 20 after taking two years off. That's certainly respectable at the least. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. To be a 20-point score in the deadball era. Yeah. You're still that guy. You're still that guy. Okay. Next. 2026 Chris Paul.

Oh, without sad. Without sad. It's not even your fault. Toulou's a dickhead. Steve Bomber's a dickhead. Lawrence Frank's a dickhead. They sent you back in. Sorry.

It's so crazy how this team and their hierarchy just doesn't understand the importance of team culture and team legends. And not only to do Blake Griffin dirty, the worst way. Trade him up. Trade him up after you, like, try to entice him and tell him his jersey is going to be in the rafters. Send him to the Pistons. You tell Chris Paul to just, you don't. trade him you don't cut him you don't bench him and give him dmps just don't go home that's crazy

it's a hike yeah that's crazy it's a metro told him the kick rocks that's crazy right it's mad he didn't even pay for uber oh my god what outside it's highly unfortunate yeah all right next 2011 shack oh cursed definition of cursed jersey image right mm-hmm hey i guess so i think it's either cursed jersey or what outside because he's cursed jersey because he tore his Achilles. Dude, this is the face of washed. That sounds like he went out sad. Yeah.

Well, he tore his Achilles too. Yeah. I don't even think I remembered that. Yeah, that's going out pretty sad. You can't remember the meme history forever for standing like this? Yeah. And you tore your Achilles, that's tough. That's pain now and in the future.

Bro, like this will live for the test of time, bro. Like literally whenever anyone's referencing something that's washed or past its prime, we just use, oh, Celticsack. It cross sports too. Yeah. Like, people say that all the time. Like, Russell Wilson's in his Celtic Shaq era. That's tough.

Tough. To break the sports boundaries. To be the face. To be the face. And I know it's crazy too. I think this specifically is a cursed image because you only see this picture. Yeah. With Celtic Shack.

There's no other picture that you see at all. Maybe you'll see highlights. Most part is him just being whole home with the ball. Fuck it. Cursed image. All right. Next. Big booty Lowry.

Kyle Lowry. 20. Nice. You feel good about that? That feel good to come off the hand. It's a follow through smooth? I didn't stutter.

So yes. Did that? Didn't touch the room? No. It's kind of respectable because now he's just out here being like a coach on the team.

And he got two jobs. He preempted his retirement by getting a media job. He planned for the future. He planned his move before the current move was even over. And he's in his hometown too as well. like respectable ending

respectable ending respectable ending salute double jobs not every big can have two jobs all right next 1996 magic Johnson

hey you know what respectable man you were still out there good job he missed like four years and came back that's insane four years is crazy

was it four am I guessing how much how many years do you miss I'm not sure it's somewhere around there let me see it was something like two or something he was kind of open too when it came

Yeah, he missed four straight seasons from 1992 to 1995 Came back and played starter minutes He was still he was still given like 15 and 9 29 minutes per game 14.6 points 6.9 assists He was 12th at MVP voting Yeah, still that guy well that's glazed I don't know why he did MVP votes he played half the games

Yeah very respectable ending Very respectable Okay next 2026 for us Low key he did go outside for a couple years This year he was like the best player on the Kings So low-key drug himself back up to respectable ending Yeah, I mean, he was like a

Important player for the Denver Nuggets last year And so many guys like Yolk it's like Whist how important he is when it comes to accessing certain passes And all that And what he would do for them on the court But I think it's respectable, yeah Like he was a free agent to like a day before training camp And they called him was like trying to work

He's like, yeah I'm always trying to work I like to get paid And he came to work and did well for a whole season In which nobody gave a fuck He so easily could have not tried at all. He tried. He did try.

He was scolding the media. Like he was their parent and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Also to turn around from being like a bad locker room guy to being like one of the best locker room guys. Mad respect to. Exactly.

Salute. Do you know where the Kings would be without Westbrook this year? Same place they were. I probably didn't matter. Not she would change. But good for us. At least it got a little fire. So it's a little bit.

Next. 23. Blake Griffin. Oh, curse jersey image. Why the fuck was he a Celtic? This feels like a blip in my memory. And why the fuck was he wearing? number 91 why did they do that too it's kind of tough why does it look like justin tuck out there

it's kind of tough it's tough i've i've started to to grow to be like you know what maybe maybe jersey's in the 90s maybe that's the new frontier you may not see division now you'll see it he looks at chris long let one NBA star where we're in number 90 and his build that is a defensive end like that's crazy oh 100 yeah he's a he's a tackle why are you looking like reggie white on my basketball court in his Celtics jersey nonetheless I'm not going to get paid

why do I have to remember that they're trying to give me money does he have a ring no does Blake return yeah like from all the Air team she was on damn

no this is 2023 he was with the Celtics yeah we did not win that year tough unfortunately cursed image it shouldn't have ended this way just I realized like why did you even go there

because they were trying to give me money they were I have to keep this job all right last one 2019 D Wade Very respectable ending He had a game winner

Yeah You went back You went back to your hometown team Or not hometown team But to your team You ended it out Hitting game winners Everybody was happy

You got your statue It was actually like important For that team too And the like obviously Mid-level success that they had But he was important He had a triple double In his last game

Yeah And he was real close to going out sad Like the fact that he was on the Cavaliers That could have been sad as fuck That's a cursed image Curse image is for sure. Came back for 2019, had a great year.

Game winners. I almost want to say you're still that guy. He came back and went out on top. He wasn't that guy, but he came back to where he went home. Retiring at home was a big deal. He went to Wade County.

Went to Wade County. True. So we put in them up? I guess not. LeBron and Jordan being alone makes sense. Lebron and Jordan being alone for the only ones that are still good

at the end and then Kobe having the iconic moment. That makes sense. Yeah. Everybody else respectable. Yeah. He had 15 points that year. You average 15 that year. I didn't know that.

It's pretty good. It was pretty good. I remember, too, like, he was a good player. Like, he had a very good year for that what we expected. Yeah. Hey, D-Wade. Todd D-Way, man. He's the best player here of the respectable tier.

Well, I guess besides magic, I don't know how to do with that. Wasn't there? Yeah. All I know about that year is magic was huge. He was gigantic. He was running around like Boris Dio and dying up. It was nuts. He was just Boris Dio.

Actually, he was way bigger than Boris Dio. He was huge. He's like two inches tall And he was wider too He was huge How much do you weigh They weren't measuring They don't want to do that to him

Let me see He looks like a monster Like show it Yo he is Brolic as hell Can't really say because of glare But oh my goodness The big guy

Yeah It's a big lad Yeah Shout to magic Oh man That's hilarious Last thing we're gonna do Keep four

Cut 4 4 young NBA stars So going forward After these playoffs Who would you rather Build around All right Eight players

First name Palo Bancaro Do you still want to build around him We're cutting I'm over that Experiment Really? I am

If you give me Eight options I feel like I can get four for a good one. Four of them that'll lead to more playoff wins? Yeah. Yeah.

That's a good assessment. He's gone. So you don't think you can save him? We also, we haven't won a playoff series yet. And we were in the best position possible to win one. You blew a three one lead. Yeah.

All right. Franz Wagner. Cut. Cut of both? Both y'all. Do you want to, okay, we're wasting two. Nothing that the magic are doing right now is inspiring.

You both are cut. But is that good strategy for this game. I don't care about the game. I care about what I think. I care about staying true to me. Yeah. And what should be, hating the magic. Stay true of you.

We cut him, I guess. If they prove us wrong, then, hey, you proved this wrong. But right now. All right. Two cuts. I dare you. I dare you. Prove me wrong.

Believe you. You won't. I bet you won't. Chad Holmgren. Keep. Hell yeah. Okay. Okay.

Okay. We have to. Like the way you move. Chad Honggren has to be a part of a core that you are building moving forward. The defense, amazing. The three point shot is up there. The hips, not broken anymore. If he's part of your duo, a part of your trio, you're winning 15.

you're winning 50 games. And you're easily going to have bare minimum, no matter, damn no matter what's around him, a good offense and a great defense. He's the most complimentary star in the NBA. He's in a win a lot of games for his entire career. And all the shine will go to the stars next to him, but he will be just as important.

New Jen, Jarmine, but can fit with more teams. Okay, Dylan Harper. Keeping him. We have to keep. We have to keep Dylan Harper. So much untapped potential. You're just getting a taste right now. Pretty soon you're going to get the whole D. Harper experience.

dare I say oh slowdown please give him more time more time more time please the whole harp load just dare I say not yet don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say yet

but we do we do have to keep Dillon Harper he's out here a rookie showing up in playoff games I'll play in Dier and Fox that's as a rookie that's ridiculous second best player

on the team I don't know so so far you kept Chet and you kept Harper, you cut Palo you cut Franz, Alper and Shangoon Oh, cut. Oh my God. What a visceral reaction. Yeah.

He said, oh, brother. I got it stinks. I almost do up again. What? My leg! We are cutting in Sangu. I don't even want to discuss it. Remembering, 2023, I was getting stone

for putting Chet above Shangoon and Palo. Look where we are now. weren't they weren't letting you into into turkey i think they docks me a couple times probably probably probably with this address for him you're not safe so i'm here you're not safe no name is now wait until i leave you're super not safe a j Mitchell keeping him you think that he's jlin brunson i do stay i don't know if i can say you're wrong this motherfucker's elite man you think he's Is he going to be a top-jamp playing in the world? Okay, slow down.

I mean, that's Brunson. I think you'd be like top 20 if everything works out. So he's Austin Reeves. Yeah, I think he'd be that level of player. That's not impossible. He out of the playoffs. That's cool. Keep Brunce's name out your mouth.

The only reason why is because I've listened to so many pods over the last week and everyone was like, A.J. Mitchell is going to be the next Brunson. And I'm like, okay, that means that he can get to like a certain level. The way people are talking about him, it's like, okay, let's, Let's actually like, what do you actually think the ceiling is? And so if you think that the ceiling is that, all right, I guess I'll let you live. If you don't, let's use another name.

You know, it's not what they mean, though. We're just talking about like breakouts. What they mean is breakout turn all-star. There's other breakout turn all-star. Come on, man. More in that lane. Keep his name. This is eating.

I'm not going to lie. This is eating. What are you defending Brunth is honor for? He'll be like, wow, man. He'll be happy to hear that. Come on now. I promised you to prove. One spot left in both.

Two forwards left. Let's get intense. For one. Jalen Johnson. Cut. What do you mean? We could get someone way worse. We can get somebody way better.

That's a 50-50 coin flip. I'm willing to risk it. We're cutting him. Cutting Jalen Johnson. Class name Scotty Barnes. Yeah. Please the fucking agree. You know what?

He's better right now. That is fair. I can't even be mad or upset. He got it. Scotty. Not the point of the game. Fifth cut, Jalen Duren. he just said fuck jd

yeah thanks also like all that or for what I know you're so disappointed man yeah it was funny that never you go fuck about him as a player

I just got this this mantle for extracurriculars people tweet me like I've been like a JD guy my whole life really like I'm like fuck with him as a prospect it's just the cross-eye bear

JD guy Yeah It's like you as B, so I'm a palo guy I guess Yeah That's your guy I mean

You've been calling him Pretty all year long Yeah I can call him a good defender Me too That's a different conversation I feel like You have you have been like

legitimizing his His Like all NBA lead But No yeah But everybody should He had a good year Here he go again

Yeah You see this What we talked about I acknowledge It's great All-Star year But I wasn't like Future Top 5 player

I don't know man Great World here saying great great we're giving that regular season JD was a dog

but that being said that is the end of this episode if you're still here what should they comment let them know let them know well what would we let him know B would we let him know

what are we letting him know oh I'm lost I don't know I don't know what's going on that's funny all you said all right Biesel is in a blender

we'll see y'all next CEREN SULLIVAN.