The Deep 3 Podcast - We Graded Every NBA Team’s 2023 Season! | Ep. 24

Episode Date: February 16, 2023

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So this week was, like, the driest week you can think of in the NBA because it's post-trade deadline, but a lot of people that got traded haven't really played much time with their teams yet. So there's not a whole lot to talk about. So I figure what we do today is we give every team essentially a mid-season grade, like a report card, on what they've done this year up to the trade deadline. We'll go through every single team, give them a grades and get just a general overview of the league going into the all-star break. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. There's a lot of underperforming teams this year. Actually, I don't know.

My D tier was long. Yeah, that's where a majority of my team is. Pause. Before we, uh, before we get into it, if you're watching on YouTube, do us a favor, drop a like and subscribe. If you're on Spotify, rate us five stars, same thing with Apple Music, leave a review. And I forgot to mention it last week, but we have a Discord now. I'll put that link in the description.

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You see it on the screen right now? I'm just going to sprinkle it in there so make sure you keep up with this. That's a given as well. I think it should be a Ben Simmons jersey if it was me, but most moments of rules, so it can be anybody's jersey. nasty me me personally i'm a jerk jack type of guy these are the good world all-stars that's that's what he's on man that's disgusting let's jump right into this

so we're going to go instead of going team by team which to take forever we're going to go letter by letter grade wise so you all want to start with the good teams or the shit teams i think we start with the bottom dwellers yeah let's get them out the way let's do that people who get an f grade for the season Donovan you go first who is in who gets an f for the year all right so f Detroit, Charlotte, Houston, San Antonio. Those four right there. Okay.

I had the same four, but I threw the nets in there as well. Oh. Interesting. Man, the nets are crazy. I didn't have them at F. We'll talk a little bit later, but those four, I'm glad that we can agree on them because they've legitimately sucked this year. Oh, yeah, those are shitters for real.

They have to be in there. Yeah. And even like, whether it's been because of injury for a couple of them, like Charlotte and like Lamello's barely been there this entire year, losses are losses and you just keep piling them up and I don't know if there's a lot of good coming out it's also about a lack of direction too not just losses yeah but before we get into it mo what's your list for f i had the exact same thing as donovan except i added in the toronto raptors yes f yeah there's just no there's no clear direction for them and they're just force

it now this is me like a front office thing i like this is not a scottie barns thing whatsoever even though he struggled for a good portion of the season. Like, I just think that they're in this nasty middle ground and they're playing a very dangerous game of being mid and trying to find a diamond in the rough or whatever the case may be, rather than just getting straight to the point and stop trying to do too much. Okay, just trade. I see what you point.

I also despise the Raptors' current direction, but I put them at D because I think F is, like, unique hollow ground for absolutely worth of teams that I've had a waste of a season. and they, I used to They had a slow start But they have good players They're gonna be in the playing They're gonna

Yeah, but like We all thought they could be a good team So there's a world where they Who was we? Y'all thought they could be a good team Don't put me in there I mean the general media I had them like the 70s or whatever

I'm not I wasn't like one of those people Like they could Loki be the one seed That was crazy But I think they're gonna be A respectable team in the play in And so when we talk about The other teams that are an F

Houston San Antonio San Antonio is the first year for rebuild They have absolutely nothing going for them. Their best player is Devin Vassell. Wow. The Rockets are a wasteland where basketball talent goes to die. Jabari Smith looks like he's one of the worst picks

in recent memory. He'll get better, but like their best player is a top 100 player in Alperin Sangoon. We look at these teams, you compare them to the Raptors who have an all-MBA level guy in Siakum, a rising hopefully, maybe not start anymore, maybe we don't have those expectations for him, but a

prolific player in Scotty Barnes, they're in a different tier, you know what I mean? I know I still disagree with that Maybe I'm a little bit Maybe I'm a little bit too harsh I might be a little bit too harsh Not I'm thinking about it But I'm still gonna

I'm a man of my word And I'm still putting them at F And as for the Houston Rockets Like you said they're I think they're like below an F They're Relegation Expulsion bro

Asap immediately Like they're not even allowed In this facility right now Because like there's If you're a tanking team Not to be not to I don't want to make this part too long But if you're a tanking team

You should have no worry so no stress because you know you're going to be asked but the level of ass that they've been they have nothing to look forward to Jayling hasn't been that amazing season KPJ is KPJ and your top three number two overall pick or whatever he was

he's not getting the right opportunity to know so like with how he's being coached all the issues is just amplified bro they're literally a college they're a college team the oldest player they're a nuclear waste the oldest player on that team is Bobon and then after that I think it's like Jayshon Tate who's like

27 years old like they they don't have a lot of fourth year player yeah so it's like yeah listen that's NCAA right there they're a level of bad that I think is actively

detrimental to the players they're trying to develop they have the worst coach in the NBA by far who we're all happy for him he got a chance so everyone was rooting for him it's horrific

he clearly has no locker room support there that doesn't lead them well the way he uses his teams the way he uses his talent way he deploys them the players he gives minutes to you ask a Rockets fan about Deshawn Nix

and they want him under a prison six feet deep they hate him hell they hate him with all his heart and it makes sense because he gets a lot of minutes and he's not good yeah nobody there is benefiting from their current structure

absolutely absolutely not so yeah so they are bottom bottom of the F tier but then we still got teams like Charlotte again Lamella's been out don't really have a lot of direction they should be in the and they probably are in the Wembe conversation

so hopefully like for their sake yeah for their sake maybe they get there Detroit Cade's injury Yeah that's what I'm saying Like Cade's injury Really threw everything off But even outside of that

Like Jaden Ivy hasn't been As great as you'd like him to be Like he's been He's been right He's been right I feel like they're F because of like Unfortunate circumstance right Like Kay got hurt

Yeah and ruin their season Just wasted a year so Yeah The only thing that's a right A slight red flag for me is like They got so many centers on their team And at that point like How many bigs can you

really, like, develop on that team. Oh, yeah. That should be important to be in Durham because he's different. Yeah, I mean, Isaiah Stewart's going to be the odd man out. Like, obviously, he has to get paid soon. He'll be on a different team. I think that's what it comes down to. Yeah.

Is that going to next year, I assume they're going to keep Wiseman around, took that risk on him. It's going to be like a Nurkish and Yokit situation where they had these two young big because I'm like, one hits. Cool. Other one goes. I kind of think that's what they're going to do with Duren and Wiseman. Yeah.

Which may know, maybe one of them was turning into a two-time MVP. Who knows? Ew. Let's move on. the next tier. I'm not always. That's that. That's the F tier. Oh, I put the Nets in there for obvious reasons. I don't think we got too much explanation for that. They lost their two stars and they're thrown into a rebuild. Like, that can't, your goal was to win a championship and now you don't have any of those players in your team anymore. You're stuck with Ben Simmons, who has been

an utter failure that people are now wondering what's his future in the league. Every teammate that goes there hates him and it seems like he hates everything about his career and nobody wants to be around him. Nothing has gone right for them. what were the net supposed to do about like this season what were they supposed to do do did they have any other choice but to not be f tier like they were i mean they're supposed to win a championship until they decided they didn't want to pay kairri and he blew it up has touched every single tier in the NBA over the past like what half season this is crazy honestly yeah yeah that's after you man uh spurs they're just no first year rebuild whatever

irrelevant we're gonna take a quick break from the show to tell you guys about underdog fantasy the best and easiest way to play fantasy sports online and it's super simple to get in on the action all you have to do is hit higher or lower on your favorite player stats for the night and if you hit five picks in a single night you can win up to 20 times your money in just one night of hoops and also if you sign up today using promo code TD3 underdog will double your first deposit up to $100 and that's free money to play with so get started today using underdog fantasy and promo code TD3 donovan who is your D tier all right like I like I I think a lot of us are going to be here.

I have a lot of teams in the D-tier. I have nine. Okay. What do I have? I think I might have 10. All right. So I have Portland. I have Minnesota.

I have Utah. I have the Lakers. I have the Hawks. I have the nets. I have the magic. Dang, I have a lot of people. I have the wizards. I have the Bulls.

And I have the Raptors. That's essentially the same as me. I lost count. Yeah, I put the Raptors in D-tier because, again, there three games. 500 like they're mid and they have they have a little bit of talent so they could do that i put brooklyn in the d tier just because they got a decent haulback for kevin derrant and yeah for trading all those picks away to go get james hardin they were able to replenish a little bit and so

they're not as they're not in as bad of a shape as they were like a decade ago when they were starting another rebuild so the bar's the floor okay listen considering what they were at the beginning of the year they you have a couple of nice players in mikhail bridges during finney Smith is still there so like you have some trade assets going into the offseason so they're not in a terrible terrible situation the best they could like you said but they're also in a rebuild in year one but they don't have control over their pick for four years so it's like oh it's not as bad as it was in 2012 but it's still pretty horrible compared to the rest of the league that's fair that's fair i also want to get just a little credit because there was a stretch

where they looked pretty good so we're looking at it in we're looking at it in totality they're probably a little higher than f mo what's your what's your d tier look like so my deep tier is not nearly as deep as you guys i have one two three four five six teams oh okay and those six teams starting the in the east are the brooklyn that's of course the alana hawks washington wizards and the chicago bulls that's it in the west oh yeah and in the west i got the blazers and then i have of course the minnesota timber wolves i feel like not it's hard it's hard to distinguish this this season but specifically like for these teams they have so many things in common more so every team except for the

Wizards and the Chicago Bulls because they're just like mid and they don't do shit but they've made like seismic moves within their organization and they all if not backfired haven't materialized yeah yeah materialized

like whatsoever for the Atlanta Hawks you have so many picks just to be fucking mid and I'm pretty sure right now they're planning it's in New York Nixon they're probably getting their back boned out by Quinn Grimes so it's just all down bad over there nasty statement I talk about them way too much. And then for the Brooklyn Nets, like we just talked about them two seconds ago. It's all up and down, all down bad over there for the Minnesota Timberville. They've been pretty

good as of late. But at the same time, there's still like two games over 500. So take a really rid of out there. And as for the point of Trailblazers, they might be one of the most depressing teams in the entire day because it's just like, you did all these moves. Before we get too deep into every single team, let me tell you on my list real quick, because I had the most extensive one. So I'll list mine and then we can go team by team of mine because I think I have all the people you had as well. Okay. Okay. So I got first, the Lakers,

Okay. Minnesota, the Golden State Warriors, which y'all didn't have yet, so I'm kind of interesting here why y'all have them at sea, given that the 11 seed. Portland, the magic, the bulls, the wizards, the hawks, and the raptors. So pretty much the same thing, y'all got, same conglomeration, but I have the Golden State there. So let's start with them.

Okay. I have them that low because their expectations were go back to back, everyone's like the young guys are going to come in take a leap they're going to keep doing it what they're doing and balance rebuild with still being a championship window everything about that house of cards collapsed they're the 11th seat right now I think but you know it fluctuates a lot

Curry's out for another few weeks that's been fucking them over a lot because it's kind of starting to get to the point where we've got to talk about him as an injury prone star and they just there's no way any of us could think right now that they're going to be a championship player if this season ended today like we need a seismic turnaround in only 26 games

It's just in terms of expectations of reality They have to be D to me Okay, okay Here's why they're see The fact that Steph has missed a lot of games And they're still 500 To me that's why they're That's what I see

Normally if you get the if the warriors are missing Steph Like even when he just goes to the bench Their numbers plummet And a lot of times he goes out And when he went out the first time A lot of us thought like okay Are the warriors who are already struggling Are they just going to fall off the map

and the hole is going to be too deep for them to climb back out of once Steph gets there. They've been able to maintain with him out. So I think once he gets back, they're going to be okay. There was a time where they were climbing up the standings with Steph, and they were getting out of the playing conversation, trying to solidify themselves in six. So I think for them being able to stabilize without Steph for a majority of the season or for a good chunk of the season,

that kind of offsets a little bit of the, like, finals hangover. for me okay but i mean i'm just like to what avail like it's here they stabilized and they had to succeed for a couple weeks yeah would be still even at that point when they were rolling for their standards which means what they won like eight out of 13 games sick it's still like nobody expected them to be a championship level when they were at that peak of their season you know what i mean i just feel like we haven't seen them clicking to the point where we're like oh they're back they can be a contender again and if anything short of that with step curry it probably in the last couple years maybe three years of prime is another failure yeah absolutely

man uh now you're kind of talking me into it now don't do that stay here stay no no keep them in see keep them in see they're they're going to be just they're going to be just how could you say that at this point of the year nothing about that's been fine it's the warriors like this they are i promise you there are 500 team if we get to the playoffs right let's say and let's say it's going to be a very hard actually not even they are a game and a half out of the six seed let's say they get there and their first round matchup is sacramento right are you taking the Warriors or are you taking the Kings in the first round Of course I'm taking them over Sacramento but after that

Now we get into the conversation where I'm never picking out where the entire Western Conference is wide open But it's really not that wide open After that they're going to either play probably the Sons or the Nuggets Are you taking them over the Sons or Nuggets? Listen I know you like to joke about the Suns but let's not be insane Come on listen no I'm saying If we get to a playoff series and you have a team that knows how to win in the

playoffs the way that Golden State does I don't think that we can just write them off Because I hear you I hear you Right I hear you like But I think the Nuggets will steamroll them It's steam roll them I think it will steam roll them As as currently struck today

They still have time to get back And try to like make that little run Before the playoffs and look more like the Warriors But if they look the way they look today Or let's say look before they look Before Seth Curry got hurt The Nuggets will steamroll them The Nuggets are unfuck with the bull

In the Western up besides the Suns I think Given the Warriors look like this Obviously, things to change, like you said. You can't write off the Warriors, but if we're just assuming they look like they look today, I see no chance of them winning a championship. Man, if they would have traded for OG, I don't know, it would be like I... That would have changed things. That would have been an entirely different conversation.

But instead of OGI, I don't know, we're over here talking about Gary Payton, Jr. And he's not going to be available until what? Two, three, four months from now or something? No, not four months. I don't know. They're aiming for the playoffs to get him back. So, like, a month maybe. You put GP2 into that line.

going to be straight. They're going to be just fine. GP2 has been hurt all year. Gp2 is a fucking friends who made along the way at this point. They had to redo the whole trade because they realized his body was still fucked. I don't know if I'd be writing in GP2 like he's going to be a playoff contributor. I think I think I think I think GP2 is going to give them a little bit of boost that they need. I think I think the fact that that he was there last year that continuity obviously is going to help. And it's it's going to be a plus it's he's not going to come in and make things worse for them. Oh, yeah.

And so I think that Golden State still has a very good chance to get to the Western Conference finals, maybe even the finals. I still, I still trust in them. And as long as Steph is healthy, I don't know if I can realistically pick someone to steamroll them in a playoff series. I have to see, I have to see that before. I mean, obviously, I'm being dramatic. And I say that, I'm not, like, it's not going to be a sweep, but I think it will be,

like, the Nuggets will win with, if you, if you simulate this thing a hundred times, 80 times and the targets are going to win. That's why. So maybe that means it's six games with them all. That's crazy. We're just going to be done with these. I try to be decorative today. It's not working.

But it's mostly a healthy. You said if steve's healthy, but like that's the question. They haven't been healthy at all this year for the most part. Like it's always something with them right now. Yeah. And that's the biggest thing. Yeah, exactly.

I just don't simply just don't think this is their year. That's it. Yeah, I think that's clear. I think it's different. Yeah. Maybe they like make some Cinderella run and figure it out. with some fucking insane legacy game shit of stuff but it's clearly not their ear i can tell you that with definitively exactly all right who else is in this too minnesota we all had minnesota

we all had minnesota okay oh yeah i think we've beat the horse a lot about minnesota how disappointing they are yeah we know what it is the ridy go bear trade was disaster anthony anthony a anthony alex has been hooping as of late though but other than that like maybe next maybe next maybe next one's there and they're going to be a lot better the second half of the season for sure and who knows how different they're going to look when car the town's finally comes back. Who knows? They haven't said anything yet.

Nobody knows. He's still out indefinitely. There's been zero update since he got hurt. And it was like, what did you care? It was November 27, something like that? November 28th. Oh, I was a crazy guess.

But yeah. Yeah. No update. It's insane. Is he alive? I don't know. Somebody check on Jordan Woods. She needs help.

Oh, no. Listen, they're chilling. I saw them on IG. He's fine. If he can try. He said he saw them on IG. He's fine. He's playing PubG.

He's all right. That's what I'm saying. He's trying. traveling the world with Jordan Williams. He's okay. I promise you. But yeah, at some point, maybe like after the All-Star break,

maybe next week, we have to have an Anthony Edwards conversation because we, going to the season, I talked a lot about how people were crowning him very early, and I wasn't seeing that last year. Like, I see it in the playoff run. I see why people say that, but it was like, let's relax.

He hasn't made the star leave. We assume he might. In the beginning of the year, I was like, it was right. He wasn't quite making the leap. He had struggled to fit with Gobert. But man, this last month, six weeks, he's been insane

like legitimately insane as a rib score yeah he's been fucking oh my goodness this is what I'm talking about I remember we had a whole conversation about Tyrese Halliborne versus Anthony Edwards or whatever

I'm still taking Tyree cyclist Anthony Edwards I think no is Kate Cunningham we're talking about Kate Cunningham and Anthony Edwards yeah I would still really yes I would still take Tyreys Halliburn

that's not crazy I mean it's pretty close that's not crazy no no I remember I thought we were talking about Tyrese versus Anthony we might have at some point but we had a big conversation about Kate versus Annette

We have a lot of That's a different conversation We do a lot of TikToks over here So we probably had both So I'm saying Yeah exactly I'm just so proud of Anthony Edwards In point blank period

He's figuring it out He's legit making a superstar elite Like when you look at him It was like oh he's like oh the athleticism He could bring that together With clearly he has this burst out of his first step And as a ball handler Tenacious rim score

He has a jump shot And it was always like The jump shot wasn't quite what you want From three point range His passing was man The defense wasn't quite there But it's all coming together now and i forgot the numbers i saw someone tweeted out but his rim scoring was like ridiculous it

was like almost 70% for a month or something like that yeah dude he's gonna put himself next year he's gonna solidify himself as a top three shooting guard in the NBA top three yeah interesting top three so book so behind booker and mitchell you think he's be better than jalen brown he's oh i forgot about jeline brown but i see what you mean yeah no definitely second tier i see you okay for sure yeah that wouldn't be crazy he's gonna be in that he's gonna be in that combo for sure okay but outside of that we don't got to talk too much they're a detier team it hasn't worked out they thought they would be a top four seed nothing's worked what about portland tell me about portland's mediocre ass team let's not tell you about portland they are this is

worst case scenario for them is being just mid like the definition of mid simons just got hurt last night like there's the the all-star break is coming up so maybe like like Like that's going to be able to take a little bit of his recovery time outside of like missing games and stuff like that. But there's nothing really for them. Like nothing looks good. The future doesn't the future doesn't look bright. This season doesn't look bright. I don't know if they have the assets to go make a major trade.

Honestly, I think I think the only thing that could save the Portland Trailblazers is if they buy low on Ben Simmons and he magically goes to the world. They're in hell. man that's a wet dream right there that's the only thing that i can see is that if they buy a law on ben simmons he goes to portland where nobody cares about him and all of a sudden like everybody's okay with him and and he that feels like the only option for them to even have somewhat of a big three but like injuries have plagued them all season the defense fell off after after the first half of the season dame has been great but that's what we say every year is that dame's great but the rest of the team has hasn't like being able to put it together around him to get to get him enough so i think they're biggest portland ben even if ben simmons was back to ben simmons it's not a good fit for him there because they already have simons and lillard like that he'd be the third less offensively talented guard the ball in his hands so like it just unless they're shipping out simmons or somebody else too which maybe that's what is i think that might be the answer is they have to trade simons at

some point if another star becomes available it might be at to be simons and sharp and go get a star like what if cat becomes available do they trade simons and sharp for cat that's interesting yeah i think i might do that that's the type of shit they gotta be thinking about going to next year because they're gonna have some picks to play with they have those two young players they have cam reddish now who maybe he makes him kind of leap with them finally given him playing time shout out cam reddish but yeah man they're rudderless it's just like biting time just enjoying lilard's vibes while he wants to be there

i don't i don't even know if cat cat wouldn't be enough for them to win so i i don't know In my head, when I just think about the Blazers, there's just no realistic way for them to get that perfect star talent alongside Damien Lur. I don't think Kat's going to be the solution or anything like that. He'll make them definitely better, but no one's picking them to win the West. At least it would be different, too, because we've seen Dame for basically his entire, or I guess since the market, since Alders has left, we've seen Dame for the last, like, seven, eight years play with another kind of like understander. sized back court mate they're both like really talented scores and at least if you can get a front court player

a center right and just have a different look to how you approach your offense maybe that is like the jump type of sadness sure at the end of the day I don't know I mean but they're running it is we all know that they didn't have much hope they kind of trick people in the first couple weeks the season and start off hot but

they're the blazers we all thought they'd be at the end of the day you hate to see it let's fire off through the rest is D tier so you can move on Magic The magic They're rebuilding They're doing their thing

They found a star They're a good rebuilding team As of late They've been killing Especially Markle Colts Palo can't make a jump shot anymore which is concerning But he hit the rookie wall

After having a big usage Right early on But we saw what he could do So like we all know He's gonna be a star eventually Thanks Yeah exactly The Bulls of the Bulls

Hults Humongous shout out to him bro He isn't hoping for him He is insanely fun to watch And now I think The Orlando Magic Finally don't hate on that don't know Markle like that he's been

insanely fun to watch he's been better he's been good if you've been following you've been following Marquette for a minute you know it's like it's fun to see him like it's good it's good to see him thrive everyone everyone's dreaming for him

yeah yeah exactly and I think over the last 30 games that they played they're over 500 by like maybe three games or something like 17 and 14 or something if my math is correct and Markell is a face of that forefront of that yeah it's lit times in Orlando

man that's that's that's how you want to rebuild a team you can be ass it's okay but just have some fun vibes and also try to sort of building good habits and along the way yeah just carry on to success exactly so that's a great you know what they're trying to build they're trying to build a very switchable team with a lot of size around two big forwards like a handle the ball and a versatile guards you can play off ball in sugs and col anthony col anthony col anthony's not can be their long term but at least sugs that's the vision so yeah at least we can point to that and see a team start to form let's shout to them I don't want to talk about the bulls the bulls the bulls the bulls made as fuck yeah the last six weeks

Zach Levine's numbers a little bit better than they were to start the year he's back up like 26 points per game in that time but they're the Bulls when they lost Lonzo they lost any chance of being relevant I don't even know what to say besides with the fact they're the Bulls Lonzo please come back they're top 10 defense we need you Lonzo they need big ball of energy out there in Chicago it's not there

they hurt they need a lot I don't know if I don't know if Prime Lonzo is walking through those doors ever again I don't even know if Lonzo's enough for them to turn around whatever the hell he's not clearly this point. Big balla got it. Bring in Leandro.

All right. Same thing with Washington. Washington is another team which is content with being mediocre as fuck with their mid three. They're going to keep Kuzma this year and pay them in the summer, which if you wants to say,

good for him. Kuzma Porzingis Beal is disgusting, but we're going to see it for the next three years. Y'all got it. I have no Washington words. I don't want to talk about. I have nothing to say about

Washington, man. Who's the dude that we were talking about before we started the podcast? Shout out Jordan Goodwin. He's a nice role player they found. Eventually, he'll be very good playing for the bucks or something and helping them win a championship. Damn.

He already trying to move his ass. Holy shit. He's 100% of going to get traded in the coming years because he's too good and too relevant to a winning team. No chance he stays with that team. Shout out to Jordan Goodwin. I have no reason, zero reason to watch the Washington Wizards. Shout out to Deni of Dea. I think he's having a better season than he was.

Not really. Deni of Dina Fia kind of sucks at offense. Other than that, like, I don't want to talk about them. So let's move on. I actually watch him a decent amount because I like watching Kuzma, but it's not fun. Wow. We talk about Toronto. Don't got to talk about them anymore.

The Hawks, we talk about the Hawks at length, man. Yeah, who cares next. Mid. DeJante didn't solve the problems. Trey started off slow. They're just not that good. Facts, facts. Trash.

Let's get to the C tier. Cool. Donovan, who was your C tier teams? All right. We got the Oklahoma City Thunder. The Los Angeles Clippers, the Golden State Warriors, the Pelicans. the heat, the Knicks, and the Pacers. Okay, we're very similar.

So that's like, what is that? The seven, yeah, seven teams in the C tier. Nice. Mo, who you got? So I got the Golden State Warriors. I got O'KC. I got the Lakers, okay? Okay.

I have Orlando. I got the Pacers, just tremendous vibes. All right. And then I also have, no, I think that's it. I see a team that I placed on there, but I want to place. I forgot the Lakers. I didn't say, I had them in D. we didn't talk about them

Donovan where did you have the Lakers I had the Lakers in my D tier as well Okay Real quick go back to them real fast They would have been F They're obviously the most disappointing team In the league for their expectations they had But I put them up to D because they made a promising trade

And hopefully it sets them up well for next year It's really that simple And I assume Mell you had the same thought process She's put them to C for that reason Yeah exactly We're revamping your team They were in the F but Yeah

The major revamp that they did that boosted them up to C Now it's kind of disappointing that we haven't seen this revamp plus like LeBron James and Anthony Davis playing They're about to play like 45 minutes I think LeBron's playing Jamichael, yeah exactly Anthony Davis has been playing like Jamichael Green

so it was just like It's not fun right there right now relax He's been terrible No he hasn't But regardless of the fact They're a C People just been hating on any for no reason Hedy has not been awful

He had one one on nights I just wanted to jump in I just wanted to jump in I don't know he would be talking Yeah, so yeah Same thought process I put them up to D instead of C Because I think they're still cooked for this year

But for next year it's promising If I thought they had a chance of using this team To be relevant this year I probably would have said C2 But I'm not getting my hopes up For my C teams I got the clippers The Pelicans

The Jazz The Pacers The Knicks and Miami Okay I forgot to put the Clippers there So we all have the Pelicans here Why is Miami in there? Yeah

Where would you rather put them? I feel like they're just having a very average, slightly disappointing, nothing special season. A lot of injuries. Yeah, that is true. Like, B and A are people that are having like a pleasant surprise or an amazing season. Miami's like been disappointing because of injuries, but they're getting back to where they should be. They're like to succeed right now. Average ass year, you know?

Yeah, exactly. My exact reason is. You were going to say something about the pelicans and I'm really excited. I didn't have the pelicans there. Should you have them higher? Yeah, I have them higher. Okay. So in case you haven't noticed, they lost 10 games.

in a row and they're in the gutter right now they're in the playing range they're no longer a good team and zionlinson had a setback in his injury he re-agravated his hamstring and he's going to be out for weeks to come god man it never ends they had something good going which is why they're not d or f they look great when zion was healthy we thought zan's absolutely him playing the top 10 player in the league but now he's not here and he's never here he's played 23% of his game since he was drafted they have a star they cannot rely on they're not good enough to win when he's not there despite having lots of guys they gotta be see right

they have to be they have to be it's tough it's tough now look there's still top 10 in the league in that rating which is like a testament to to just how good that they were before they fell off the face of the earth right the fact that you can lose 10 10 in a row and be terrible

and also the plane range yeah like so I don't know I want to give them credit for the beginning of the season it's the same reason why I put Brooklyn in the detail, I want to give teams credit for, like, the entire season. Yeah. If we're looking at them probably over the last 30 games, New Orleans will probably be F. Yeah, they lost 10 out of those things.

Exactly. Exactly. But we have to give them credit for what they were cooking earlier in the season. And so I'll put them in C. And hopefully, I really, really hope that Zion can come back, like, before the playoffs and actually give us some actual, like, minutes. Because we, we deserve. deserve to see Zion in the playoffs at this point.

Zion deserves it. It's a shame that, like, we talk, people talk about, about, like, his injuries and, like, it's adding up. I mostly just feel bad for him because he's losing such incredibly valuable development time at a young age. Having your prime development years in your first three, four seasons, be lost to injury completely, having no ability to get playoff reps, that's so bad for your long-term development. In the last four years that he's been in the NBA, I believe.

He was drafted in 2019, so four years, holy shit. he has played 118 games in his NBA career in total crazy that's tough in total so that just goes to show how like you said all the development

time that he missed and it'll be interesting to see just how much that matters I don't think for him yeah that's a crazy thing it doesn't matter because he's just like that OPEA of a player anybody who misses a majority of their first and third year and half your second year should not be a

trucking superstar in their fourth year but he did it when he was healthy he was a legitimate superstar so the fact that he's doing that with no development imagine if he has three years of healthiness in a row he's on the exact same path joel and beat is on we're just waiting for him to get healthy like joel did and now we're seeing joel's a MVP frontrunner every year him and he's just big zion they're the same person yeah man man that is crazy to think about but yeah anyways let's continue to your other c list the c teams okay yeah uh i had the jazz here i think I think Donovan had them in D. Yeah.

Okay. I gave them C because, I mean, they're a playing team like we thought there'd be now. They've kind of fell off. They're probably going to fall out of the play in as someone like the Lakers or Blazers takes their spot. But they did a good job making more trades, getting more picks, Lowry marketing and blossomed into a star. They did everything you want from a first year rebuilding team.

So when I think of D and F, I think of like it's a disappointment in some way. And I think nothing about this season has been disappointment for the jazz. That's fair. That's fair. I put them at D just because I thought. that their drop-off and from basically like the one-seat to where they are now. And I'm getting out ahead of them falling out of the playoff, right? Or out of the play-in.

That's what I'm doing. And so I think that they're going to get caught by somebody. I think Oklahoma City is going to be the last team to make the play-in. I think they are. I think they jump in over them and over the Lakers. And so I'll just, I'm projecting on that one. Okay. Even if they fall out, I don't care.

They're rebuilding. They were shooting above expectations prior to this year. That's just gravy to me. Okay. Yeah, a number one seat in the West for like two and a half, maybe three weeks or whatever. What a time to be alive. Yeah, exactly. I think we all had the Knicks and see you, right?

Yes. They could. Yeah. You would think they'd be hired because Randall and Brunson have both been great, like legitimately, extremely good for what you'd expect from them. But man, R.J. Barrett fucking sucks. And it takes you a lot, but you're paying a guy max money and he's not very good. It doesn't contribute much impact at all.

Hard to recover from that He's going to recover from that I've tried so hard To defend RJ Barrett on this podcast I've tried so hard to shield him from the hate that you guys spew at him And I can't I can't do it I can't do it right like if If the piece that was holding the Knicks back

From getting Donovan Mitchell was RJ Barrett right And you come out and you play like this you have to be gone like you either you either have to be gone or you have to be open to all this criticism and that is exactly where we're at and because like if RJ is the player that we thought he was going to be

I mean I was campaigning for RJ that he was potentially going to be an all-star in the next coming year Ray oh my goodness he had all-star potential because he actually he showed flashes boo this man those flashes were not there this year they are not there

I really wish you would have stood on that take with your chest earlier in the season. All-time clip. I thought you never stood on the pod. I wish you would have been funny. Yeah. Dang. Wait, I thought I did.

I thought we've had so much RJ hate. I thought I thought I have said such a good before. I've been saying for three years that R.J. Bear is simply not good at anything. He's not above average in any tangible skill set. And it remains. Like, sure, you can say he's a decent on-ball defender, and I think it ends there. I mean, but he's been inconsistent at times this year.

I'm saying he's decent. a little bit of credit but like he's not a good shooter not a good ball handler not a good passer not a good finisher not a good off ball defender not a the list goes on man the finishing stuff since he's gotten into league was that's the weirdest just like drop off in his game because at duke he was so good finishing through contact and that's why i thought that was one of the reasons why i was actually like he wasn't though he was he was in theory he was in theory he was but his numbers are always bad at duke and people chalk it up to he's playing with other stars and the system doesn't really allow him to cook.

The same thing we said when he got the Knicks and they had no spacing, that high school RJ was a really good finisher, but for some things have held him back in all three levels that stop him from doing that after then. At some point, you just got to realize that he's just not fucking good at this,

you know what I mean? You know what's so funny? Like, it's so funny because I think sometime earlier this season, people were starting to compare RJ Barrett to Andrew Wiggins, trying to say that they're in a similar position. It's just because they're Canadian.

Canadian. That's, that you couldn't just, you couldn't be more wrong. They're just 6.9 and Canadian. Like, that's the only, that's the only, like, possible comparison that you can make to them. So it's like, 6.9. And it is just like, 6.9. I don't know. He's not.

6.7. That's what I think. Wakins is such a, is such a completely different player who is extremely gifted on a lot of size of the court. He just wasn't allowed to show. Not allowed, but he wasn't put in the best position. The words have really changed. Warriors have really, really changed the narrative on Andrew Wiggins history right now. Relax.

You're completely rewriting Andrew Wiggins history. It was not that he wasn't, he wasn't in a bad situation. He was prioritizing the wrong parts of his game and trying to be a go-to score and not focusing on defense, catch and shoot, these type of things that the Warriors forced him to get into because they saw the vision that you're not this guy. It wasn't that he had all the opportunity in the world. He was just probably viewing himself and being viewed because of his draft status as the wrong mold of the player.

Yeah, exactly. he was in a bad situation he was the bad situation what do you mean like Andrew Wiggins for like seven for like seven years was one of the most disappointing players in the league and then he goes to the Warriors and he's the fourth option and everyone's like oh my gosh he's so good

you're the fourth option fam like all you have to do you have two jobs make threes guard people that's it yeah yeah like they took things off his place and he got better when you say he was in a bad situation you mean he was cast him to the wrong role okay true that that's what it is But when I hear bad situation, I think like he wasn't given the opportunity to find his role when he was given all the opportunity in the world, all of it.

Yeah, he was given all the opportunity, but it just wasn't, he was just, he just wasn't meant to be that guy. Yeah, you're right. Be the face of a franchise or organization. That's the thing though. You're right. It's not the same for RJ Barrett because he's currently in that role that Andrew Wiggins is in now. Like he's supposed to be the third guy doing the stuff that you need to do to win games. He just not good at that either.

Yeah, exactly. He put him as the first option. I'm hurt. Semi first option a couple of years ago. Then now he's like bona fide second and now what does he do? Oh my God. God damn, bro. All right next to you, man.

He steals money right now as he's doing. That's all the teams I have. The clippers are in C. Oh, we're in C. We're in C, my bed. Yeah, Clippers are in C. Oh, yeah, yeah. Talk about the Clippers.

Yeah, they, listen, they are the most inconsistent team because their stars cannot play together. They have two stars who remain hurt, Kaui Leonard. he was he came back and played like what like a game or four at the beginning of the season then he was out it seems like every other night either paul george or kawai leon is out they try to get john wall in there he's off the team now they just made a couple of trades they seem to be in constant transition this year i don't know what they are because we haven't seen the clippers at full strength for two weeks this entire season so like they're solid though that's a thing that's what i'm saying they're solid shout out tailu that was a one of the reasons why we thought they were going to be really good is because they had a lot of depth coming into the season and we thought that if kawai and pg could be there then they can obviously take that step elevate that has not been the case they are disappointing and is simply because they are inconsistent and they can't stay healthy yep and then they just redid their whole

fucking supporting cast at the deadline which is interesting so it's like yeah like you said c is a team that's just having an average season that's not special or particularly disappointing and that's we got thing with clippers right because they would be very disappointing but they've somehow kept themselves afloat through all this so it's just like a nothing burger of a season facts yeah exactly you know i don't really think of them as much at all and other than like the clippers is just thinking about them redoing their whole entire supporting cast getting rid of luke canard the john wall experiment was a massive flop fucking hilarious yeah r p jrp john i'm not gonna say that but for john wall man like i'll say r r p john wall's career i'm never forgotten

okay career at the beginning of the season doodles over here talking about you got to guard kawai leonard paul george and also me how are you going to stop that how are you going to stop that and then he went ahead fast forward i respect the confidence i'll say that a couple months into the season he's talking shit about his home to his last team to houston walk it's he gets shipped back there and they buy him out fired and now he's the face of unemployment damn it sucks i don't want too much on john wall because like we all love him we wanted him to succeed again but it's Jover. Damn.

I don't already have any thoughts about the Clippers, bro. Yeah, there's nothing to say. They're just, like the Laman said, they've been inconsistent because they haven't been available, and until they are, we can't really take much from them.

Yeah, exactly. I got to Pacers and see. Did y'all have Pacers and see? I did. I did, yeah. Yeah, we all agree. Tremendous vibes. Right now, they start off really hot.

They really succeed when Tyrese is healthy to start the year. He got hurt, they fell off, and they haven't recovered since, but they had their young player blossom into a legitimately rising star, so that's a win for the year. Yep.

100% Tyrese All-Star proved Wally Zerbiak wrong. So that's... Fuck Wally Zerbiak. What a loser. That's really nice for them. And they were, listen, they were finally able to get kind of some direction with him, with Halliburton, with Miles Turner. Buddy Heald is still doing buddy-heeled things, just knocking down threes.

Benedict Matherin looks good as, you know, also like he looks like he's going to be able to do it, to do some stuff moving forward. So, yeah. I'll say see because again again when Tyrese was healthy they were just fine yeah exactly and no one expected anything out of them fact i thought i for sure thought they were going to be in the wendy conversation you me both yeah absolutely absolutely i was over here rooting for them to go ahead and get wendy because i just thought that combination was going to be crazy but apparently they're way too good and i'd rather see them i don't want to say i'd rather see them like this

but you know something interesting about the pacer's just dawn on my mind bro they're just not meant to go ahead and get the number one overall pick they've never seen they're one of the only teams in NBA history who's never gotten the number one over that's not an accident it's not an accident they have an owner who the old ass lady I think it's an old lady owner that has it on the team for a long time and they just like fielding a competitive team

and refused to rebuild ever like it's completely by design I respect that yeah that's their FMO they said we're in Indiana we're now a large market team we have a core group of fans that love basketball and we want to give them the best parts we can every year also their owner their owners Herbert Simon.

I was wrong. I was thinking of the Pelicans, lady. I forgot her name. I realized I'm after I said. I was thinking about the Pelicans owner. You're in your bag regardless. Yeah, but either way, that's their ammo over years. Feel the competent team and they refuse to rebuild because they don't think their market can deal with that.

Yeah, exactly. That's right for resigning Miles Turner as well. After all these goddamn traders. I think they should trade them to Lakers, but neither here nor there. He's still going to be in trade rumors over the summer. Like, they don't want him. For the rest of his life. He can be retired.

He still won't be in trade rumors. You'll be a title from this retirement home to that retirement home across the street. I'll never get traded. I'll play this whole career at the Pacers. It'd be so funny. That would be the most annoying thing ever. If I was Miles Turner, I would just ask, just please trade me at some point. Yeah.

Yeah, man, let's move on to the B tier teams. Oh, let's do it. Mo, you go first this time. Who's your B tier? All right. So for my B2 teams, this is tough because I feel like a lot of teams, some teams are to be in A, but I just can't do it. So for beer team,

B team, I have the Miami Heat. One of the reasons why I put them in B instead of C is because although they've like been not as good and started off super slow in the season, they were behind teams like Washington or in that Washington and Chicago realm and they shot all the way up to the... It's not hard to do.

What's that? Six seed and also Bam out of bio, fucking love that dude and he's absolutely bawling out of his mind. He's being the player that a lot of people bullied him on social media to be. so he's I have them in the B tier I have the Norris Pelicans

because yeah that's a stretch they did all the right things they just can't stay healthy you know they should be at best yeah I don't I don't want to put them in C

because they're so deep to help keep they're so deep and because of their death it's helping keep keep them alive they're not alive they're barely alive

they're not life support they lost 10 in a row they lost 10 in a row they lost they lost 10 in a row and they're still the 7th C that's so damn in front. I don't think they are anymore. Are they? No, they are. Oh, they are? Yeah, they are. Okay. All right. So, um, and then I have

the Dallas Mavericks at for B as well because like fucking Luca and even though they made all these moves which are just like kind of a red flag. At the end of the day, I think these moves needed to be done. They really didn't have that many choices. And, um, I'll condemn them if it backfires for sure and I'm backtracking on every single word that I said. But for now, I'm putting that might be and I think that's all who I want to get you got you got you let me put the Memphis grisies there as well I need to put the grisies there as well because they haven't been at they've been elite they've been the second best team in the Western conference consistently as years went on so yeah I'm just going to leave it at that we'll catch up to the rest but

I think that's it from my B tier I have the bucks the mavs the sons okay C and the 76ers wow okay C is that high for playing I mean, when we're talking about grades, it's all about what you expected from them versus what they did, right? And SGA blossom to a legitimate top 15 player in the NBA. They have a super starter builder around now. Next year they're getting the number two pick

that has had, Chad Holngren. And they're going to be probably in the playing. Like if things shake out the way they have, they've been surprisingly competent in every single way. They're top 10 defense. They're super well coached. They don't even have a center on the roster. They're playing Jaylon Williams there who's like 6-9.

And somehow they're just, like I said, extremely competent team. from a team that we thought would be one of the worst teams in the league who was their head of coach shout out to him man I don't know what to say his name it's a hard name to pronounce I don't want to butcher it yeah I have no idea he is but yeah I got he's doing mav sons okay C 76ers okay okay 76ers okay that's interesting

fair fair all right it did come up to a super give us your list on before we get into him all right so my B tier I have the 76ers I have the Cavs I have the Grizzlies I have the Mavericks and I had the Thunder and C, I'm moving them up to B because the same logic that I had with the Jazz and I was projecting out and how they're, you know, their fall off and they're going to fall out of the plan. I'm going to apply that to OKC. I think they're going to make the plans. And like everything that Isaac said, Shea, Shea's also been able to like carry that offense and like not be a three-point shooter and just get to the paint whenever he wants, which is ridiculous. Like he can, he can single-handedly, like, carry a.

Offense is really not built for him in my mind. It's ridiculous. So, yeah. So Thunder, Grizzlies, Mavericks, Sixers, Cavs. Okay. So we both had the Sixers in there. Mo, you have an A tier, I assume? Yeah, I haven't met your tier.

A tier. Why do you guys have them in B tier? There's just been something off with them all year long. They just haven't been able, like, they've had a really nice. It's the offense. They, yeah, they had a really nice streak where, like, they were winning games and they were moving back up the standings. But being able to integrate. I reached Maxie back into the offense on top of having Hardin and Embed there and trying to make all these, you know, all these moving parts work.

One of my biggest complaints at the beginning of the season was that I felt like Maxi wasn't able to kind of step in there and that offense wasn't able to be like cohesive. I still had that complaint. It still feels like James Hardin and Joel Embed do their thing and then Maxie goes off and does his thing and it's not like a, it's not a singular offense. So it's not cohesive at all. Yeah, and so that's one of the complaints that I have for them. And, again, they're moving up. They're moving up to seed. They haven't really gotten everything that they should have gotten out of PJ Tucker.

Daniel House hasn't been great. They just traded Matisse Stibald. There's been a lot of turnover on the roster. So they could have just been a little bit better up until this point in the season. So that's why I'll have them at game. Yeah. I just saved eight-tier teams for people that are having great seasons based on what you want them to be. And I feel like they're having a fine season.

Like they're 3-C. They're in the mix for one of the top teams in the east, but they're a notch below the bucks in the Celtics. I think we'd all pick those two teams in the series over them pretty easily. Yeah. Their offense... Yeah, absolutely. Hardin and beat are a great pick and roll duo.

They, those are numbers in terms of like... I think they're the highest assist duo in the league. Yeah, they are. They have a solid chemistry. They've combined for like 167 assists this year. Exactly. I think the next... The second one was like 116,

which was actually Tyrese and Buddy healed, surprisingly. But even with that being the case, it's the numbers aren't terrible but when you watch them you're like this is not going to be super good in the playoffs like put a smart team against them that switches everything and forces you to get into trick them into playing this one-on-one isolation ball

they get into sometimes I don't think they set themselves up well to give Joelle and Bid the best shot of finally having his playoff moment it's not horrible so that's why they'd be but do you think that's a coaching thing or a roster thing or both both I mean he's Doc Rivers Doc Rivers isn't the best coach in the world

he's competent but he's not good per se and he's yeah it's mad as fuck you're being way too nice I'm just I mean I am I'm trying not to get into a fuck Doc Rivers moment but Doc Rivers sucks ass for being honest yeah and I don't know

I guess it's like this is the James Hardin you have now he's not the prime James Hardin you would have wanted like Donovan said the defensive pieces they brought in her ass PJ Tucker's washed it's just a good team that isn't quite as good as other ones don't I mean nothing they did wrong that is true

so why they're gonna slide them to the B tier we swayed you they're a team that I wanted to put them in the A tier B like I think if you were to ask me this a couple weeks ago when they were steam rolling teams and they were streaking they would have been A for sure but they've definitely slowed down a bit and like Tyrese max he just doesn't feel I don't want to say he doesn't feel right on this team but like he just hasn't

been maximized and I feel like they're just entire offensive system I just I read through it I see through it and it's pokeable they're bendable in the playoffs best way to say I mean it's such a well-in-beat

and James Hardin-led team two people that have notoriously been worse than the playoffs for a variety of reasons injuries a lot of times burnout unfortunate circumstances for Joelle and Bede but everybody sees a path

to this team falling short in the playoffs and until we see otherwise I feel we should like assume that's going to be the case yeah exactly but they're doing what you know what I'm saying

a lot of people assumed they'll be doing which is rather be right they're not like they're not a failure in any way it's just passable yep they're doing their jobs all right and I was getting to the real the real deal we all have the sons in B which I don't have them in A I have the sons in A

oh I'm cool with that oh because he got KD okay yeah yeah yeah because he has a fucking played shit let him go with that I'm fine with that we'll save them they're talking I'll put him up in A as well amend that the B. I had them in B. Did you all have them in A? I have them in A. I had the Mene. I had the Mene. I had the Mene. I thought about it because they've recovered, but because they had the slow start of the season, they still might have some shooting concerns long term.

There's, when you watch them play against the Celtics yesterday, it was not what you'd want against the backups of the Celtics. It just seems like they're missing something. Obviously, it took a while for Chris. Jake Rutter. Yeah, then I got Jake Rutter, which honestly, unironically will help. but Janice's shooting was cold to start the year Drew Holiday is on a fucking bender right now Not bender, that's the wrong word On the heater right now

And he's been amazing Chris Milton not so much All the other shooters not so much I just feel like they're not Runaway Win-wise they've kept up Partially because of Celtics have been A little disappointing lately

They've been up and down Compared to how they started But they don't feel like The runaway best team in the East As you'd want them to be As a Bucks right Yeah that's fair to say But I feel like the only reason

reason why that so simply because of like sidekick issues Chris Middleton and it hasn't been Chris Middleton because of Andrew and stuff like that and if he can maintain this level of consistent a level of consistency towards the end of the season when it comes to strictly health I think they'll be totally fine and with Drew

Holiday playing like this putting a 40 pieces he's an all-star season too they will be fine for sure I'm looking my chops at them though they'll definitely be totally fine I'm just thinking that eight tiers should be better than being fine it should be teams that are like having legitimately great seasons that you're above and beyond expectation

wise. And I don't see any way the bucks fall into that. At best, they're doing their job now. With the things that they've gone through this season, I think I put them in the A tier. That's fair. That's fair logic with it. If Drew was fucking ass, then I for sure beats here, or not ass, but not phenomenal, then, like, I can see

that. You could say that they've dealt with a lot of trials and tribulations and they fought through it, and they're still where they want them to be, so I'm not mad at that. They're B-plus. Yeah, exactly. We all had the maps here, right? Yes, yes Tell me about that Donovan. Why are the Mavs in B tier?

All right, so a couple reasons. So I thought that the Mabs were going to be fairly good this year. Right now, they're outside of the playing. Coming, I guess up until a week and a half ago, they had Luca, who's playing at an MVP level, and they added Kairi. And so even though that, like, even though I think that in the short term, they got worse,

they've been able to win games. Why do you say that? They did not get worse, man. I think, well, I'm saying, I'm saying like in the short term, term for the playoffs of this specific year, I think, I think, I think, I think that they're going to be able, I think that teams are going to be able to, to kind of expose them a little bit in, in the playoffs with, with the lack of defense. But, do you know, Finney Smith is not fucking dead.

It puts a, it, listen, obviously, like, Luca and Kyrie, they are 100% up to the task of scoring every point that you need them to, but it puts a lot of pressure on them to do so. We've seen burnout from, from Luca before. We've seen Kyrie. That's a thing. have a couple of things before it was on both of them it was just on luka as even worse right yeah who was he going to lean on before this they're using lean on a stellar defense of dorian phony smith like he was at some stopper like no no but i still i have questions about them in the playoffs and i don't think like i don't think the the main question that everybody's having of like

oh you have two ball dominant people i don't care about that we've seen we've seen we've seen we've seen karee play off ball that's going to be just fine but you get down to last to final possessions or to possessions like they had the other night against Minnesota and both of these guys get locked up on the perimeter like that like things like that are a little bit concerning but what's so alternative you go out and you get a star moving forward for for low cost and you're able to help out Luca and basically upgrade from Jalen Brunson to Kyrie Irving and make that replacement overall overall like as a team building aspect that's good so that's why I put Dallas there and again they're outside the play in so I'll put

them as me. When you say outside, you mean they're above the plan? Yeah. Okay. Outside makes it sound like the 13 seat or something. I was confused for a second. No, I'll just, if they were that, I'll just say they're out the playoffs right now. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah, see, the difference is, I mean, I haven't beat here as well, so clearly we're in the same realm. I just, I don't think they're worse for the playoffs, irrelevant to the grading we're doing right now. But I think when the alternative was you have one star and a decent, another extra decent defensive piece, that extra defensive piece doesn't help you more than an additional star does in the playoffs

because I think there is no world where they make a run but just Luca and the supporting cast around him and now I think there's a world where they might if things click well and their defense holds up and something that's important to just mention as well they're missing I don't want to say this like he's a superstar player but he is a difference maker Maxie Kleva and these last few games that we have seen

with Kyrie and Luca Dodgers although they're going to have the like minor kinks like every young new dude not young but every new duo yeah has when they first start out and i wouldn't want to judge them or throw out things like that because it's just going to happen until like towards the end of the season if they're still doing these type of things that's a red flag yeah but as of now i'm chilling did y'all see their their top three guys got scored 90 points combined and they still with their back blown out by minnesota that's tough those little crazy game but not backs blown out that wasn't a blowout It was early on.

I think they closed it up. But they got handled. But they were, yeah, they were going to handle the whole game. Like it was consistent routing. It wasn't a blow at like a 21 point skunk, but it was consistently teeth kicked in. Yeah, exactly. I was watching that game. I think, was that game last night or am I tripping?

Two days ago, I think. No, it was like two or three days ago now. So, yeah, I remember watching that game and they were making their runs and they were putting up a fight towards the end of the fourth quarter. Shout out Josh Green. Yeah, shout out. Oh, my God. He's one of the, he's one of my favorite and also one of the best role players. the entire NBA.

Nice. One of the best athletes point play period. He can do a little bit of every single thing on the court. Dude, he's,

he's a, he's a gem. He makes it, he makes life a little bit easier. Not easier, but he makes life a little bit better now that you don't have

Dorian Smith Jr. There's a lot of pressure on him defensively the goal of the playoffs this year. Say his name right. DFS. DFS. Dorian Finney Smith.

There we go. I'm a big Dorian Finney Smith fan. Yeah, he's great. Yeah. Let's, close we got.

We're now, we're in. is A tier. My eight tier. Sacramento Kings. Yeah, Sacramento Kings. We all got them there. Beam team.

The best story in the league, the biggest difference expectations in reality this year was easily the Kings. They're a lock for all of our eight tiers. We all have the Nuggets. Best team in the West by far. Three-time MVP on the way.

They really have no competition in the West, besides the Suns. Okay. Yep. I'm with them with it. I think Donovan, you have the Cavs and B. I have the Cavs in A. Okay.

I have the Cavs in A as well. Yeah, like they're the fourth best team. You can say, I think I have more hopes for them than six years in the playoffs. So I would say the third best team in the west, in the east. The integration of Donovan Mitchell was excellent. And you see the outline of a really good team, especially next year when you get this three spot filled together. They're, I think there's nothing you can say wrong with their season.

Yeah. For me personally, they are exactly what I thought they would be going into the season so far and the exact same questions that I've had. There's some questions there, but that ain't stopping them at all. For real. Yeah, they're great. So I had them just under, like if we were ranking them, they would be at the top of my B tier. Yeah.

Like they're B plus A minus right now. I think the one thing that's keeping me away from the top spot is the fact that I just, I like the other teams a little bit more than Cleveland. Like I like Boston more. I like Milwaukee more. we already talked about like in terms of expectation Sacramento finding their way in there I

there's just something that I need to see in the playoffs that's keeping me away from putting them in the A tier but I's not a tier list it's like you know it's a regular season grade so yeah no I know I know I know

but it's just I'm still just waiting I'm waiting to see it to see everything click and not that it hasn't but yeah I'm still waiting I'm still waiting I got you

Celtics are obviously all eight here but don't got to talk about them they're the amazing team they were the second half of last year they're fantastic they've had some inconsistencies in the past six weeks or so but every top team

goes through that eventually and they've weathered the storm just fine Jason Tandum kind of fell out of the top tier the MVP race though that's interesting that really sucks for him that

he's never going to win it you were happy for Tadam too not really not as MVP's like being when we had a when we had a when we had a when we had

had Kenny on the show before the season started, I said that we asked the question for the hot takes was Will Jason Tannen won an MVP in the next three years? And I was like, no, he's going to be second or third every single year and he's never going to be the guy that gets it because there's going to be other guys that have more gaudy stats because they're bigger ball handlers than him and they're going to get over him every year.

Here we go, exactly what happened. Look at this guy. He knows ball. For my last team A, I had Memphis there. Did y'all have him in B or A? I had him in B. I had them in B, I believe Had them in B.

So you could say they fell out of it Because they hadn't kind of had that stretch Where they similarly to the Pelicans Lost a fuck ton of games in a row But I would say the fact that they were able to do that And still be the runaway two C in the West Shows just how fucking great they were to start there And build this lead for themselves

I think if we're giving the Nuggets credit For being by far the best team in the West They're by far the second best team in the West all year That I think they That's what you want. A lot of people were saying last year was an inconsistent fluke They're going to fall back a little bit Me included and they just haven't

Yeah, so I don't know exactly I think I think if you're the I think if you're the Grizzlies You're you should be competing for the number one seed Right now And they are They are not going to get the number one seat Oh you're right they're five games back now

They're five guys back that's not happening They're not they're out of that race They should be competing for the number one seed right now And they're and they're not Why though? They have one star like I feel that's not They have one star on their team I mean but this has been there MO for the last for this year and last year like they've been able to to compete and do all that

and as soon as your main job goes out there and personally I loved it I love the fact that he went out and said there's nobody in the West that were that were scared of but you have to go out and you have to back it up and since that point they just can't beat anybody in the West and so you do all that you put the target on your back you were ascending and purposely put a trap out there in front of you and you fall over it and now you're like in the two sea where you could have had home court advantage throughout the entire playoffs and could have been competing right here and so for that it's very disappointing and on top of that like Desmond bane he got hurt his first 10 games or whatever was ridiculous he fell back jerry jackson junior he's he's been

fantastic Dylan brooks though Dylan brooks still is on the roster and that's a problem because he just keeps messing things up so that's why I would put them in beat Okay. Yeah, I'll put them at an eight if I felt like they were one of those teams like the Milwaukee Bucks, Denver Nuggets, or Boston Celtics, who just felt like when it came to 90% of the NBA, they were untouchable. And I feel like the Memphis Grizzies are a very touchable team. I knew you were going to say that. I knew you were going to say that. That's such a.

No one's even thinking like that. No other viewers are something like that right now. They're like, what is up with Donovan, man? That's just a little bit of your mind right now. To say something is touchable. That's crazy. That's crazy. I knew you were going to say it.

They can be defeated. They can be defeated. In any sense. They were untouchable. In any sense. Touchable is a crazy verb to use. I know what you mean. I wasn't going to pause it,

but it is a funny word to use. Yeah, anyways. But you can touch them so hard. Okay, yeah, that's great. You can touch the hell out of them. Yeah, I know, that's nasty. People are touching jaw left and right. They're not, when you think of, when I think of the Memphis grisies and how they could pan out in the playoffs, like, other than like a team like, okay, of course, like the Sacramento Kings or whatever, I'm not seeing any team that's like an easy, oh, they're going to whip their ass other than like the Sacramento Kings and then, of course, you got the Minnesota Timberwolves because they got their number and the Pelicans because they're going through injuries.

But other than that, like, you got to go against the Warriors, the Dallas Mavericks, the Clippers, there's the Phoenix Suns, and then there's a Denver Nucket. So it's just like, they're very touchable to me. And he doubled out. And there's, and in my mind, with how you would think they would ascend compared to the last season to this season, that wouldn't be, that shouldn't be the case. I think maintaining it with it last year, not ascending is fine. I think they aren't the most, they're a superstar-led team. they have one star player and then a really good team around him and being the two seat again is completely fine i don't think that's i think it's another great season definitely fine they're not a they're not a they're

not a they're not a disappointment whatsoever but like yeah but i mean i think last year they exceeded i think they just exceeded again by continuing to be the second best team in the west despite having one star player and a bunch of good players around him i don't even think they exceeded they have an extremely well like well-rounded roster like in my mind this is like one of the perfect construction that you put you could possibly do for someone like john moran yeah so like this is what they are they're going to be a consistent top three seed for as long as they're going to be healthy it's a similar argument to the buck so i can easily put them in b so i see what you mean yeah guys i regret to inform you that is our entire list it is ticot time let's get into it and the truth

is i don't actually regret it i'm very happy to tell you let's do it so like always we're start off with a draft like we always do this time i need you guys to pull up the all-star teams for this year because we're going to draft lineups with only people who made the all-star team and we're going to count alternates and people who got out for injuries you said what we're going to count all alternates too all right bet yeah me more bodies meme there we go cool so yeah we'll pull those up 2023 all-star roster which really you don't even got pulled up because it's like you know the fucking players.

Yeah. But yeah, let's do this. So yeah, people have just got to the all-star team. I think, is it my turn number one pick? Did I go second last time? Didn't you go first last time?

No. Isaac went third. I went first, Mo went second. Okay, so Mo's first, I'm second, you're third. Yeah.

Cool. All right. Let's draft NBA lineups with only people who made the All-Star team this year. Let's draft NBA lineups with only people who made the All-Star team

this year. That's so wordy All-Star team this year. Yeah, okay. Okay. Let's have NBA lineups with only 2023 All-Stars. There we go. Perfect. Nice. Mo, you go first. There's really no wrong pick when he comes

to the first overall pick. But I need Janus. Okay, that's fine. Give me honest at the coup. Picking the best player in the world, it's easy. Number two, give me Nicole Yokic. Okay, okay, that's gonna be the MVP again. I need them. All right. Give me, give me Steph and give me Joel and B. That's a fucking disgusting duo. Damn.

That's menacing right there, bro. You know what? The only way for me to match that duo, give me Luca. Isaac, stay with the white man on his team. Yeah, exactly. There's something about Isaac that he ain't telling us. It's gonna be a white boy summer. Oh my goodness All right Listen, the games in Utah

That's all I'm saying Playing to the crowd Like you Okay That your turn Donovan Yeah it's my turn All right

So go ahead Give me LeBron James Fuck I was hoping you fell to me next And then I want Jason Tatum I need a big body That's a nasty top three Big ass

Yeah okay oh yeah well this is the easiest pick in the world give me kevin durant i was hoping bro he he's okay yeah all right whatever he's gonna argue that right now i was hoping i was hoping he would he would fall to me okay that's fine that's fine all right so i have i have step and joll and bid give me donovan mitchell good pick good pick nice and at my i need a four i I need a three and a four. Hmm.

Where am I going to go with this? Where am I going to go? You know what? I don't care if he's hurt. I like him. Give me Zion Williamson. I like him. Give me Zion.

My plan is foiled. Damn. All right. Okay. My turn now. So I have Lucas. So I have a point guard. I have a center in Yokic and have a four in.

KD so they had two and a three you know what I'm gonna get Luca's real life back world partner now give me the last remaining starter give me Kyrie Irvin okay that's fire that's fire all right so I got Janus LeBron and then who was the last dude that I got I got John's LeBron and Tatum all right so I'm pretty full with the wings I need some goddamn shooting for a little bit more shooting on this team not me I got all the shooting yeah the best The best player on this all-star roster, who's an absolute sniper, is Damien Lillard, so I need him on my roster, all right? Okay.

So I got Dame, Tatum, LeBron, Janus. It's big as hell, bro. And to cap things off, damn, to cap things off, I'm not even going to go for that. To cap things off, damn, dude, there's so many good options. There's so many good players. Right, big one. Yeah, I know I have to fucking pick one

There's just so many good players, bro But It's an all-star draft Give Yeah, it's awesome Going through hell Yeah, I'm going through hell right now, bro Because there's so many different

Options What do you need? What do you need? I need a center But at the same time, I really don't need a center Because I can put Janus in that bitch Man, if you don't pick Bam

And keep it moving Yeah, I want to pick Bam I want to pick Bam I want to pick BAM So give me BAM Thank you Say it again in a way I can use in the TikTok Nah fuck BAM

Give me Jal Morant Okay Yeah Yeah give me John Moran This is a fun ass team right here Okay I see you All I need left is a three spot

I have to choose between Paul George Jalim Brown and Anthony Edwards Give me Jalem Brown I think he's ascended You should have picked Ant for the vibes Bro what the hell man Jeline Bar got a broken face right now Who wants to see that?

I needed a three as well. Isaac, you made my decision for me. Give me Paul George. Can't be mad at it. Nice. Nice. Who lost this one? This is pretty good.

I mean, I don't know. They're all all-star teams. So I got Luca, Kyrie, Jalen Brown, Kevin Durant, Yokic. Ooh, that's nasty, bro. Katie, Yolkich. I have Steph Donovan, yeah, Steph, Donovan, Mitchell, Paul George, Zion, Joellen, B. Man, that's nasty. I got John Morant,

Damian Lillard, LeBron, Tatum, and Janice. Oh, you lost you? Yeah. I regret to inform you.

What? You've a lot of good players, but you have two point guards, three power forwards. Just, yeah. Bro, my team's the most versatile

on this list. Are you kidding me? You just have the highest. You just pick 2K rating. The team doesn't fit to do it. I need my comments to go ahead and come from you, bro,

and these. I need my comments are back me up. The comments are going to be a split between me and Donovan. But I don't know, you have also just a lot of good players. people might pick you too yeah okay

next tic-tok we're gonna do something funny these guys are gonna guess players by their haircuts oh let's do it so I'm gonna send you guys pictures one by one I'll make sure

put these on the screen if I forget scream at me and tell me I'm a loser and don't deserve to have a podcast I'll need the motivation so first one let's put this in here

who are we guessing guessing Guess this NBA player Based on their haircut The Guess is NBA player Based on their haircut Who is this guy

You see This is tough because so many That's what I'm saying This is So many people Have so many people Got these starter locks Let me see what to do

Is this Cam Thomas Damn first guess This is Cam Thomas Look at Beau Shout out I'm in my bag What can I say This is what I do

All right Player number two Oh, my God, he's balding. Bro, those little spikes on top. This is bad. This is Joe Ingalls? What'd you say? Joe Ingalls?

This is Joe Ingalls. This is Joe Ingalls. Moes in his bag. This is what I do, man. Yeah, this is what I do. That was a little easier. Yeah. Player number three.

Who's next? Oh, that's Kyrie. Oh. That is Kyrie. I know that hair loss. Wow. I know that hair loss. That's nice.

That forehead give it away. Yeah. Yeah. Got this line. in the forehead. I wish I had Carried Hairline, man. That's crazy.

So sturdy. You do Hairline draft next. Player number four. Who is this? Has that come up on the screen? This is definitely an older person. Oh, there it goes. Forehead has beat the fuck up so you can tell.

See some discoloration. That's, that's LeBron James with spray paint. That's not LeBron James. That's hilarious when you find out who it actually is. Is this Draymond Green? This is not Draymond green. Hmm.

It looks kind of high. Is this that picture of Dennis Schroeder? No, it's not Dennis Schroeder. I see some, does he have waves? I think he has. No, but his forehead, he looks mad old. Yeah, he's beat up, bro. He's gone some, bro.

Why should this be somebody young? He's taking some hard-ass screens in his lifetime. Who is this? Y'all give up? Um, let me, I'll take one more guess. Let me try to, let me try to think of some. people let me is this john wall this is not john wall that was a good guess bro damn um donov you don't close this out you're not gonna get it

i don't know i don't know i give up yeah this is jalen brown what what is this is a terrible picture this why i hate him so dirty this is why i hate him so dirty this is why i hate is it this is this is this fucking official picture it's just Jaylon Brown. God. I didn't tell him to get a fucking born-back hairline at 25. Jalen Brown grew his hair out too, so that's very, like, deceiving. Yeah, smart man.

It's pulled back. It wasn't deceived. I said it to you. This is the real full picture. Let me see this. Jalen Brown. Oh, he had braids. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, you can't see the braids. That's why I mean. That's a good, that's a good lick on us. I really hate Isaac. Next one. Whose hairline is this? I got to wait for it to come through.

I feel like this player's low IQ for some reason. What? The head looks skinny. That's crazy. Oh, no, this does look like a low IQ player. That's insane. I can tell there's nothing in between. Oh, this is this Evan Mowgli?

This is Evan Mowgli. Brochon's hair line, said there's a thought between those eyes. What's going on? Yeah. Hey, this is Mose game. This is Mose game. Yeah. He's in the bad.

It's kind of like you. That's crazy. I like that man. Yeah, that's kind of offensive. Holy shit. Last one. Oh, this is Darius Garland? This is not Darius Garland.

I see why you said that, though. Oh, this is D. Rose. This is D. Rose. Yeah. Oh, wow. It was on fire. Yeah, D.R.R. For sure.

Okay, okay. Still, it's the undone braids for me that told them. meet it. It's a dumb crazy to me, woman. Heroes don't

tidy up too often but shout out to him legend regardless. Okay. So that was a fun game.

We're going to do another game similar. It's going to be another guessing game. This time, y'all got to see the full picture.

You're going to name this player and it's going to get harder every time. Okay. Oh my God. Okay. All right.

How do I hook this? Y'all name these NBA players and it's going to get a harder every time. That's not the best way frame it how do i how do i hook this name these name these NBA players and it's going to get harder every time first off send you the easiest one it's a name you should know

lebron james who is this man he was on the Detroit pistons he's a guard this man looks old as hell he's not old he's not old he's got old his last name is McGrady or something like that, right? The name is not Magradi. Are you thinking about Rodney Magruder? Yeah, yeah. This is Roddy Magruder. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly. Okay, okay. You guys got the first one. No, Roddy. He looked straight out the 80s. This is crazy. That one wasn't too hard. Here's number two.

Man. Man, I swear I've seen someone who looked like he worked, bro. He works at Costco. number four. Is that Aldama? Oh man. Yeah, I don't know who this is. That's not Sonti Aldama.

No, it's not. I can't remember where he looks like. The disrespect is crazy. I have no idea who this is. I can't. Who should know? This is, this is, if you don't know this guy, it's not a good testament

for your basketball like you. Really? Why? You don't be watching the poops if you don't know who this is. He don't get that much playing time. I literally went to a Memphis. What's his game the other day?

I don't know who this is. Yeah, I have no, I didn't, I didn't know the gruzzi's had another worn looking. This looks like Chandler Parsons with the hair cut. That's crazy. Yeah, I have no idea. No, not a clue. We're cooked. What?

Embarrassing. We're cooked. What's his name? Does it start with an L? This is John Conchard. What? That's what we'd be looking like. Oh my God.

How do you all not know John Conchair? John was, I thought John was a little bit uglier than this. What? he got tattoos damn you just said it was gonna get harder it got harder yeah what do you expect you're good at you guys

who is this man oh that's malachi Flynn yeah it's Malachi Flynn yeah I couldn't tell which one to put first him or contra I thought Conchard would be easier nah yeah Malachi Flynn is my dude I love that dude last one I'll just cut the Malachi Flynn

one we'll do three in this video last one who is this man Oh, that's Theo Pinson Oh shit The picture didn't even come through for me yet My Wi-Fi is trash You know Theo Pinsin but not John Contra? That's crazy

Theo Pinson has his own podcast So Yeah, bro And he's one of the best NBA memes ever At Brooklyn that celebration dance He started that That's him, the originator Respecting

Okay, okay Interesting you guys failed number four I fell number three We got one and two Yeah I didn't want to make it too hard And pick like the bottom of the bench god And every team

So I might have to get a little harder Next time for you Yeah that was good I think that was That was good Okay what do I have next Next up We're gonna do another tier list

We've done two so far People love it So this time we're gonna do small forwards Okay Keep you go into position rankings First I'm drink some water Because my throat hurts Because I've been talking for an hour

And 22 minutes God damn Pause We've been going Um let's put these NBA small forwards into a tier list boom first up

Jason Tatum A tier A he's not S yet A tier No not S Okay so is it who's S KD Yes

Is LeBronstone Actually no You know what Jason Tatum has been the best Small Forward this year I'm gonna give him The S tier Okay

Yeah I didn't know I forgot S tier was the thing So he has to be on S tier You can't put him in A At Katie He was in the MVP conversation too like that's just disrespectful he's a heavy hitter

yeah I think Katie's still a little better but I don't hate putting them in the same tier next up um how do you say is it Mikel bridges or McCall I always say it wrong McCall McCall Bridge's McCall we just said it the wrong way

it's McKale right McCale right McHale yeah I always say McCall yeah I always say McCall I would say McCall and people say in the comments I say it wrong I think it's me I don't know he's a Hooper yeah it's from McHale Bridges How is I'm going to say it

Um I would say This is an interesting one I would say A tier I would say A tier He's not A year But come on I really like the cover

Me too He's the best All-Star too He's not a all-star He's the best role player In the NBA One of the best primitive defenders But you can't be A tier

If you're not like a volume score I don't think Or like an elite elite Let's get to somebody Who's A tier Okay But I think Bridges is B tier B definitely

He's a B plus name near What about Andrew Wiggins? Does he also B? B. He saw it B. Put him in the same realm as Bridges? Yeah, same exact tier as McCall Bridges. I think Bridge is a little better, but they're in the same tier. Yeah, exactly.

He's not better than Bridges. Paul George. He's an A tier. He's a tier. Yeah, he fits in there between these two people. Okay, that's fine. That's fine. I forgot about Paul.

Yeah. Michael Porter Jr. I want to say C. I feel like I haven't heard his name at all this year. Like he's just been steadily there hasn't been hurt But he's been steadily worse than he was last year He's a sniper still regards to the fact though Definitely but his two point percentage fell a lot

Like he's not finishing his non-two point shots very well anymore Look I tell you he's a sniper And you're talking about his two point percentage Give that man his respect He's doing his job Yes he has one job and that's every time we touch the ball The bitch is going in the air And he does that every single time

Yeah exactly B minus C plus He's here No I think it's like C minus rather than possibly B. Okay. I don't say C plus rather than B.

Okay, well definitely C tier, right? Yeah, we'll go C. Definitely, yeah. We're going to Okay. R.J. Barrett. Y'all got it. Put this man in the depths of D tier. Maybe F tier if we're being fucking honest. Yeah. Yeah, D tier, bro. Not F, but D.

Listen, there's an easier argument for F than there is or anything higher than D. RJ Barrett is not above average at any tangible skill set. I'm not going to go he's gonna be d but it's grim for new york nix fans r j barrett is the definition of mid bro there's nothing that he's exceptional out on the court the most overpaid player he's down dang he's down y'all said enough leave him alone i got a lot more in the chamber i promise you let's unload the clip next up you y'all just mean like bro relax

that's good okay one more ticot and we're out of here No, you got to rate DeAndre Hunter, man, shit. Do that on your own time. Do that on your own time. Is there an F tier point guard? I mean, F tier small for it? I don't even do it. Yeah, we have to have the F tier as well.

Yeah, I don't even know. F tier small. We're going to move on. We don't got to put an F. Yeah, whatever. Last thing we're going to do, we're going to do another jersey draft. We haven't done one in a couple weeks. So, which NBA jersey is better?

Old or new? Retro. We've done this twice now. We're going to do some more teams we haven't done yet. So we already had these in the GM. So let's go up. Where are we starting? The Hornets.

Tippy top. This is my bag. The new one is much better. It's much better. Yeah, for sure. We're talking about purple jersey, purple and... They had Kimball Walker in hell, bro. What is this?

This is such a 2010s-S jersey. It did not age well. Like, the new one is so much cleaner. The stitching on this jersey doesn't even look good. This is bad. Yeah, look at the car. collars and the details are just it's just very boring

where they messed up is that they have a very boring basic design with very fun colors it's you know what it is it has that Jordan brand aesthetic that all the like high school teams and college teams have that have these regular jerseys from these same suppliers it just looks generic looks like I made it in 2K yeah exactly modern as long with fun colors why bro that's an all-time fumble

yeah lame the Toronto Raptors Oh, man This is messed up This is a watch It's not fair The old school Raptors Are one of the most iconic jerseys

In NBA history The one of the best jerseys In NBA history They win this easily Over the news It's really not fair We had to ask you But the old

It's a perfectly adequate jersey Versus the goat jersey Yeah exactly I think this Raptors jersey The new school one Is definitely one of the better jerseys In the NBA today But this is not

They have really good alternates consistently Yeah Absolutely. Shout out to their design team. Shout out, one of the best in the NBA. Shout out, Drake. He's in the lab

in Adobe Photoshop. Aubrey. All right. Next one. The New York Knicks. All right. The old school ones are so much, but I don't like these black ones.

I don't like these black ones. I just, I think the black ones are, I don't know if I do with that. I like the black ones. The black ones are, they need to have a little bit of blue in them. I think going straight,

going straight like black and orange, It feels so Halloween-y I don't like it Halloween I'm going new honestly I like black jerseys It's hard to mess it up I don't love the old black paneling

on the next jerseys I think there's a reason that's gone It's okay I don't hate it But I don't This doesn't wow me in anyway You shut your mouth about the black paneling All right All right

Stop that Big ass nasty black box The black paneling on this On this New York next jersey Is iconic And it's beautiful And that's it We're done

Nobody say anything else move on to the next team. All right. Don't just say nothing. Black clears. The Cleveland Cavaliers. Old school. This is hard, but the new one is so clean to me.

I am biased. The first jersey that I spent, the first jersey that I bought with my own money, was that blue LeBron James jersey. It's a classic, bro. That's mine. This white cabs jersey is gorgeous. I think their new redesign is amazing. But with that being said, you got to go with the old one.

This one with the checker, with the checker calls. Yeah, if bro, if you take out all that nostalgia aside, we are all taking the white jersey. It's I don't want to say clears, but it's kind of nice. Even design. Pay attention to the detail, bro. Let's be real. They're both nice. I'm not mad at you for picking it, but I don't think it clears at all. No, it definitely doesn't clear, but it's not a, it's not an extensive conversation needed. Disagree. The old school, old school alternate wins. This is hard. The big C. That shit is gorgeous. Yeah. The Portland Trail Blazers.

Ah, this one's kind of tough. The Blazers have loki had, like, the most consistent high-level jerseys throughout, like, their franchise's existence. I think I'm going to go with the new ones. What? I love the old school. The vertical blazer looks so good to me. I think they wear these now. Having the stripes come across, that's just such, like, an iconic.

It's such a nice, just clean design. You don't see that. You're right. I think they wear these throwback jerseys now For like the 1977 throwbacks And I think every time they wear I'm like why don't they do this more often This looks gorgeous

Yeah No I think Yeah I think I'm going to have to go old school You just don't see that type of style pattern Whatsoever in NBA at all Yeah because they do it so well Having some having like a vertical word Looks goofy

I like it's different Have the word But they figured out how to do it though It doesn't look goofy Nah All right last one The one clears last one

these Celtics alternatives oh my god these are generational these sleeve jerseys are by far the worst jerseys in NBA one of the worst jersees in NBA history I feel like

the green paneling I'm a shoulder I'm a senior citizen that shit on it's horrible the straight gray and they did Marcus Marte so dirty

with these poses bro what is that bro is that looking to your side oh my god it's the new it's obviously the new the new ones are solid

completely good adequate alternate jerseys the gray ones deserve jail time everybody involved needs to be thrown under the jail there's like there's like two sleeve jerseys ever that are actually decent this is not one of them

this one sucks certainly is not one of them this one sucks the new one clears absolutely I'm just like mad you show me this and brought this back in my life I've forgotten about it

and now you just have it in my mind again and I think you might deserve jail time for this for those who don't know but Mo pulled these out not me and I just probably not going to forgive you for it anytime soon it has to be brought up in NBA history

these were a thing and they did happen if you're still here comment and blame Mo for ruining our nights by showing us these selfish jerseys I want to see Blame Mo in the comment sections going to be throwing up in the comments sections going to be throwing up for the rest of the night yeah you blame Moe and give me vomit emojis I want to see them yeah

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