The Deep 3 Podcast - We Graded Every NBA Team's 2024 Season | Ep. 83

Episode Date: April 5, 2024

Grading every NBA team's year! Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 4:09- Comment of the day: Rockets talk 15:30- Mo-ment of the week 19:55- Grading teams: rapid fire teams 21:00- Bucks 25:10- Timberwolves 27:05- Thunder 32:27- Cavs 38:30- Clippers 44:35- Lakers 51:54- Knicks 57:12- Mavericks 1:01:30- Hiccup attack 1:02:27- Producer corner 1:15:22- Hawks 1:18:36- Pelicans 1:21:50- Heat 1:22:20- Pacers 1:24:18- Kings 1:28:08- Suns 1:35:40- Warriors 1:40:55- 76ers 1:42:00- Bulls 1:44:08- Rockets 1:47:03- Magic, Jazz, Grizzlies 1:49:00- TikTok Time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All right, Mo, as we recorded this, right before we're about to start, we've gotten the news. The grave devastating news that you had a live, we had a live reaction to from you. The Atlanta Hawks have once again allowed a 50 piece to be scored against them. This time, by back of Detroit Pistons Guard, Malachi Flynn. What is your live reaction? The game just ended. Tell me how you feel. You know, I was aware that this happened when Bleach Report dropped a app notification saying bench player drops 50 against the Hawks.

That is the most disrespectful way to tell someone that your team got clapped. God, Malachi Flynn, I didn't even know he was on the Pistons. Me neither. Breaking. Nobody dubs your squad. It's hilarious. What's crazy is y'all won the game. Like, but nobody cares.

Malachi, that's embarrassing. Embarrassing as hell. And it's just, we, I just tweeted it. We have to retroactively take back to John Tamarie's all defensive selection. just like we did Reggie Bush's Heisman. This is one too many 50 points against the Hawks. He hasn't stepped in yet. This is his fault.

Is it more embarrassing that they gave up 73 or that they gave him 50 to Malachi Flynn? 50 to Malachi Flynn was a baller. Did you guys not watch him back when he was in San Diego? What? No, I did not. He has some good games of the Raptors in the back in the rebuilding year. I remember before they got Scott. Or was it before?

No, Scotty Barnes rookie year. There was some end season tanking games. He was going crazy. He was doing a well-farm fantasy team. We respect Malachi Flynn on this side. but not this much. It's Malachi madness going on right now. Definition.

Oh, no, I was going to say March Madness, but shit we're in April now. It's April 3rd. That is true. Damn. Tough. As you guys see by the title, today we're going to be grading

every single NBA team's 2024 season. We did this end of last year. You guys liked a lot. You know, T3 staple. You know, there's like two weeks left in the season. Pretty soon we're to be geared up to almost exclusively playoff talks and no preparation for what to expect in that coming. part of the season.

So this is kind of like the bow on the regular season, you know, we're giving our final thoughts on every team, how they did, you know, when you think about expectations,

when you think about the timeline of their team, whether they're rebuilding and contending, all things considered, give them one concrete grade. Nice sneeze. Good time.

Yeah, man, bro. What type of sneeze is that? How do you sneeze? How do you sneeze? Cued a sneeze. What? Yeah. I'm trying not to be loud

on the mic. I'm not trying to like spray this, what, There's mucus everywhere. I'm not trying to do that. Now, when most sneezes, he screams, he's a yeller. Yeah.

Got some basic. My face. That's how much of glass sneezes. Blow your nose. He erupts. It's like a shotgun spray. That's disgusting. Oh, my God.

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first video that just dropped today actually i almost fucking forgot he dropped his first video i say talking about sports betting check it out at d-smoot 3 i think on youtube i'll put that shit pin comment top of the description go check it out the new dominant smooth channel we're here we're here so here i'm i'm excited i'm saying i'm saying it very calmly but i am excited everybody decided to they've been begging you to make videos yeah bro i will be i've been over there in comments i've watched your video like four times donovan getting your watch time up and all that other shit and crown eater you watch this right now better be in attendance yeah if you was out here begging if you was out here begging you better go watch it right because i said in because i said in

the video everybody's been asking if nobody was asking for this video it's gonna be embarrassing y'all better go watch it i better go like it up let's get into the episode The cranium is crazy! Oh my god! I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice! Before we get to the main section of the pod, we're going to do something that's becoming a new tradition on the show.

We're going to look at the comment of the day. Every week, I ask you guys to comment your best question, best take, general thing you want us to talk about, and we'll pick one from the comments. every single time. This week, we have a great comment from Parth Garg dash, a bunch of letters. He says, do you think that Jalen Green and Alperin Sengoon could be a threatening duo next season? Rockets could be a high seat with Sengun coming off an injury and Green playing the way he is, especially to make great moves in the offseason. I picked this one because, you know,

Jalen Green seems to be finally making the leap, putting it all together, playing at basically a star level for the past month. A lot of conversations has been had about what that means for the Rockets. A bunch of stupid narratives been coming around about like, should they trade Sangoon? Was you holding him back? All this nonsense. So how are you guys viewing the Rockets? Do you see this duo being good together? Do you think they got to break it up?

What's your general take? Hmm. So, okay, so this depends on what, obviously, like, what Jalen Green is going to do. Because we see this every year, where in March and April, Jalen Green starts going crazy. Everybody kind of feels like this version of Jalen Green is kind of real this time. I feel like the consensus around them is that it's finally clicking. We're finally starting to see him take that leap. And in theory, it should work, right?

And you, like, I think the comments of people saying trade Sengoon or trade Jalen Green, that's dumb because if you're the Rockets and you've been tangy him for the last three years, instead of having one really good player, let's have two really good players. And then we can keep rolling, especially when Jalen Green can operate on the perimeter and you can put him into two men actually. with Sengun, who is a good passer, who's a very good passer. You could just make that work. Like, I do think that them, too, as a duo, would work next season. What do you think, Mo? I agree. I think all the nonsense and noise of people talking about, like, Alfred Sengoon and, you know,

oh, he might be the problem. Trade his ass or whatever. It's absolutely ridiculous. Jayne Green was in trade rumors for, he was in low-key trade rumors. He wasn't in, like, the spotlight, but he was definitely in the shadows. And now that he's been snapping. They dangled him. over the past exactly he dangled his ass but now that he's been snapping over the past

month that's not nothing to go ahead and like you don't rewrite you don't completely turn around your ship and rearrange the hierarchy of your team because singo been doing his shit since he was a rick and he's shown nothing but steady elevation you've seen plenty of times in the past of them of like you know okay high draft picks elevating their game towards the end of the season circumstances a little bit different now and I think Jailing Green has shown a level of consistency that can be maintained.

But my biggest question is like, I don't know how they'll be able to coexist because how they're playing right now favors what Jaling Green's biggest strengths are, which is being the best athlete or the second best athlete almost every single night on the NBA court,

which is they're playing hella fast. And Sengoon's not that. They can do that with Sankoon. The line The correlation has been drawn that he started doing good as soon as Sangoon got hurt. So clearly it's because of that, right? People were like, oh, there's causation there. Like, it has to be because of that. This run started for the last few games where Sangoon was there.

They were winning heavy when Sengoon was still playing. And you look at every passing hub big in the league. Yokic, Sabonis, Bam, Horford, whoever you want to call it in that realm of player. They all succeed when they have a dynamic guard next to them, like a Jalen Green. Like the two skill sets fit so good together in theory. Now, Senguyen has to get a better three-point shot that has to improve. Jalen Green has to get better playing off ball coming off with screens from Sengoon and whatnot, all the split actions that we see work with these other bigs.

Yeah. But you don't win with just the passing hub big or just dynamic guard like Jalen Green. You win when you have those two archetypes that can play off each other and really make each other better. So even if you think that Jalen Green can be better without Sengoon or whatever, you don't have a ceiling unless you have both of them clicking. So you might as well try to find a way to make it both work. Yeah, I agree. And we've seen, like, when Jalen Green has it going, like we've seen teams double him,

if Jalen Green gets doubled and now you have Sangoon on like on the short role on that. Exactly. And he's the one playing a four and three, then you unlock everybody else. And so it really just depends on their ceiling, I think, is going to be defined by whether or not Jalen Green can keep this up. But if he can and people have to start picking their poison with what they want to guard Houston with, that's going to be the key for them. And I do think that that can happen

if we see a good Jalen Green next year. 100%. Like Jalen Green's biggest thing that's gotten better has been his decision making. And the simple fact that he's shooting 39% on his threes right now with a difficult shot diet. That's allowed everything to open up.

He's at 72% at the rim over March. Ridiculous number. Far better than like 58% who's at before because the three point shot is falling, which has given him all the confidence to the world, making it easier for him to attack because people have to respect the three. These are things that aren't just like

he touches the ball more because Sangu is not there. It's not that simple. This stuff could be happening even if San Guam is there. And even on top of the fact that the Rockers were winning so much in March, they were 30th in the NBA

and as his percentage. They were strictly winning off of him and some of the other guys just getting buckets and obviously playing good defense. But like, they weren't moving the ball at all. So they still have that clear weakness that can be addressed

with Sangu and he added back into the mix. Yeah, something else that does need to be emphasizes that he's facing real life things going on right now. We've seen it before in a past 2019 NBA. finals for him as a kid turns into a top 20 point guard in NBA and his reputation changes now we just start a caliber player but we've seen this consistently in jailing green having one of

those times in his life i think donovan called his ass like what you'd just call him child support jailing green or something like that something crazy and having a kid in your life changes you as a man and hey just gave donovan credit for my joke it's crazy hey man wait did you say that I said it in the TikTok time. I remember, I guess it was funnier when Donovan said it. It just stuck with you. I don't know. It didn't seem like a you type thing to say.

I don't even know if I said it, but I'm going to take credit for it. He never once said it. Just say it. Just run with it. Yeah, but no, you're right. That's definitely, we got to encourage him to continue his activity year by year. I don't know how we do it. We need to get the memo out there that.

He sees it. He knows it. He knows what to do. Exactly. The interesting parties, though, these two guys can definitely coexist. We're getting a great version of a men Thompson right now who's basically playing center with Sengoon out.

I wonder how that bit will be. If a man Thompson can start there next year with Sengun starting, it really comes down to does a men Thompson get a three-point shot? Yeah. Like, you know, that's kind of hard to maximize a men and Sengun with both of not being three-point shooters. That's hard.

It's time to get in the lab. We talked last week, and I gave Anthony Black the PSA. Amen Thompson, same PSA, goes to the gym. Let's get this three-point shot working. Let's get you a shot. Let's get him set up a lethal shooter. Yeah.

And I think at that point in time, you obviously, like, if you're the Rockets and the coaching staff, you obviously have to just prioritize, you know, Dailing Green and Singoo and the young guys who are giving productivity now, and you just don't, like, Amin Thompson cannot be a priority. His growth is important, of course, but you put that in the back burner your mind and let him figure it out at that point in time. I don't know, listen. Amend Thompson might be the priority.

He might be the priority if I'm that coach. Like, that is an archetypal player that if he hits the one can be, can be probably more valuable than both these guys if he hits the ceiling. He's the one. He's the one. Yeah. That's, that's hard to say because Sengoon's playing at an all-star level and Jalen Green is damn near close to that too right now. And they're producing right now. And Amend Thompson's playing a very important role.

Just being a huge body, of course, you being one of the best athletes in the NBA alongside Jayling Green helps too. but that's one thing that I worry about for sure that's one thing that I worry about and I haven't taken into consideration when it comes to the ascension of, you know, Geeling Green and how he looks

alongside St.Goon. Yeah. So going to the second half of this question, the point of this question is do you see them being a threatening duo next year? And like, do you basically do you think the Rockets

can be like next year's version of the Grizzlies or Thunder or whatever other young team that builds out of young core, struggles for a while and then you can leap into being contender out of nowhere? Could you imagine that being the Rockets?

Let me see the standings real quick. They definitely, they definitely could. It's just hard to, it's hard to see who, it's hard to imagine who would end up falling off and whatnot, but considering the trajectory that they're headed towards, it's hard. You don't even think about people falling off. Just like, will they be a serious threat next year? It's hard to deny. I'm going to say yes.

I'm, I'm going to say yes. I think it's very clear that E may has, has come in and has really like changed the direction of this franchise and he's like if jalen green is going to play at this level and shangoon is going to play at like a near all-star level you're going to have enough talent to get wins night in and night out and they've had some long losing streaks this year where maybe a young team next year doesn't do that as often right maybe you don't have multiple like seven game losing streets and so i think i do think that they are going to be able to make some noise in the Western Conference,

especially because things always move in it out. Like, you're always going to see some teams rise. Some people are going to get hurt. Like, this is just, you know, a factor of the game. I think Houston can definitely make a push next year. Yeah. It's, we'll see, like again, like we said, Amman Thompson is a big swing factor, right?

Can he be a point guard next year instead of like basically being the center? Because right now, since he's been starting with some Gounout, he's averaging 14.5 points and 9.5 rebounds, three assists, 1.5 steals. Basically, just like being the five on offense, four on defense, for all intents of purposes, already one of the most active defenders in the NBA, like, like Mo said, ridiculous athlete. If he can be a point guard and have some sort of spacing element, then you can imagine they have the tenacious defender and ideally good passer as a point guard, the go-to scoring wing and Jalen Green. They honestly have a bunch of wings to surround them in Jabari Smith,

Tarry Easton, Dylan Brooks, all these guys, Cam Whitmore, than the passing hub big. Like, you start to see all the archetypes come together that could lead to really high-level play if everything clicks together. Yeah. To be honest, I don't care about none of this. I'm just so happy that Jayon Green is to finally start to figure it out, bro. Like, yeah. Because they already had a few replacements knocking on the Houston Rockets door,

aka Cam Moore, Amin Thompson's other more promising prospects. But he resurrected his name. He was about to be thrown in trade. talks and all that but now all those shits are just completely deaded and there's just a new wider around them bro just love seeing young players figure it out shout out jalen green all right that concludes our common of the day next segment another new td3 special mo what is our moment of the week moment of the week for the new listeners of td3 or for the old old listeners with Alzheimer's if you know because we have old crown years as well you know they be out they'd be

around the other day. Why would you say that? We are going to be talking about the moment of the week. What the moment of the week is us recapping what has happened over the past seven days since we last recorded. And the moment of the week for this week is another duel between Victor Wembeyanama and Nicola Yolkich, specifically what transpired in about a two minute and 30 second span between Nicole Yolkich and Wembe.

Throughout Nicole Yolkich's entire career, he's never been a dunker seriously at all. Throughout this entirety of the season, he dunked the ball like 16 times, maybe 17 times. And this one night, he had to dunk the ball three times. That's obviously a season high. Damn there might be a career high for Yolkich's career. Not that anybody should care. Just interesting. And it's only because of Wembe, and this dude got his shot swatted so many times against him.

So, damn, bro. What a duel that we witnessed. Yeah, this, I saw a tweet where someone's, a Yokch fan. I forgot who it was. Was it Yoko's Joe Star? I don't know. Someone said, thank God that Wembe's Prime doesn't line up with Yokich's because this league is fucking his.

And every time you watch the games like this, as a rookie, he's going toe to toe. And, like, legitimately, like, some of the best performances of the year with these stars. It's just ridiculous, right? And he just continues to amaze us every time. Yeah. He's said so much about Wembe. Like, this.

I feel like every single week we come on here we talk about Wemby we talk about how we've never seen anything like this it's amazing everything that he's doing the league is his I'm just like

I'm just still in all of not only what he did in this game against Yokic against Jalen Brunson a couple nights ago Jalen Brunson had 61 points and somehow Wembe still had a performance

that could hold up against that because he had 40, 20, and 7 like there's things that he does every single time And Yokic was talking yesterday about how he was telling, he was telling Wembe, like, hey, like, stop, stop, stop blocking the ball, right? Or else I'm like, I'm going to do something. And then he said that Wembe blocked the ball four more times after that. And he's, he's insane.

He's crazy. There's not enough superlatives to talk about. What do you have, like, eight blocks and eight assists in this game? Like, he was so close to a quadruple double. Wembe in this game, he had eight assists and nine blocks, along with, of course, Nine blocks, bro. That's ridiculous. He just does this.

Nine blocks. And nobody bats a fucking eye because this is what he does. It's absurd. He's done this. He's had legendary games already. Two legendary games against Kevin Durant did his thing against Jalen Brunson.

He's had legendary games against, I believe, Luca, and now Yokin. She's just dueling every superstar and looking them in the eyes. Yeah. And also on the other end, Yokic is closing the season strong, finally he's getting like he's finally having a year on like last year where he doesn't go

unsurious mode and piss away the MVP because he doesn't care looking like he's going to win the MVP award i know luca continues to have more more momentum but the ESPN straw poll just came out you know where they uh talk to a lot of voters and get their opinions on it with like nine games left in the season yokech has by far the most votes so barring ridiculous change in a week and a half it looks like yokech is going to get his third MVP yeah congratulations this game too he also put up like just a casual, very casual, 42.16 rebounds and six assists. Slight work. Like for a yogic, it's just so funny.

Like, again, nobody bats an eye. It's just like, oh, yeah, yoga's doing yogish things. Yeah. You see these two sat lines deck each other and you're just like, oh, yep, this is the NBA now. This is going to be, this game is going to be one of those games where we look back in like 10, 15 years, probably toward the end of Wembe's career. And we're going to be like, wow, but we really saw this 19, 20 year old duke it out with one of the, I'm going to say it.

10, 10, 15 greatest players of all time. Someone said it's an instant free Dawkins duel. That's going to be posted in 10 years. That's the only way to describe it. Yeah, that's the best way to describe it. Hey, man. That's a good moment of the week. Great game to watch.

Let's get on to the main topic of this episode. Let's grade every single NBA team's 2024 season. I think we should knock out the easy ones first, the ones that we don't really need to talk about. So I'm pulling up with NBA standings. you know like the Celtics let's get the dumb ass right here I just say let's get the dumb asses out of there

let's suspend these motherfuckers I don't even know I'm not even what I'm getting at I'm just saying it for you buddy let's get to it let's let's say the easy ones out of the way the Celtics are clear A right oh yes yeah

yeah he's nothing to say oh sure yeah Nuggets clear A right yes for sure nothing to say there now let's get the clear F's out of the way Trailblazers F Grisley's

Actually we'll say the Grizzlies We don't know what to say about them Grizzlies I mean Wizards F hornets F pisses F failures failures failures Suspended suspended suspended Yup Nets F

Yes for sure For sure Okay Those are the ones that I think Aren't worth talking about Everybody else we can spend At least a little bit of time on Where do you guys want to start

What's the most interesting team I'd open with Can we follow You said Celtics A plus I think that's fair Can you move second seat in the east, the Milwaukee Bucks? Okay, let's start with the Milwaukee Bucks. Okay.

What grade you want to give them, Mo? What was your general vibe, knowing the ups and downs of the buck season? What do you grade them? Ups and downs of the season, within the first 20, 30 games or whatever, head coach is fired. But through all the turmoil, they still maintain the second seat in the Eastern Conference. I can't give them an A, but I want to give them a B. high B plus because it's still like it's like where you're through all this turmoil Damila are going through the things he's going through new coach new system in place

you put doc wherever you put dock rivers in charge of things injuries happening with your third best player and you're still the second seed yeah this is very soft this very solid I got to give them they're the weirdest team because like a big part when we're grading teams a big part of it is expectations right exactly you thought they would do and then how they lived up to that they had the most lost the expectations in the motherfucking world Like, we were, like, we, it was a debate between them and the Celtics as who would be the top of the conference. Knowing the Celtics assembled an insane team, but the expectations of a Damien Lillard and Yannison and a Kuplo duo alone made you think they could be neck and neck. And now, was that just unfair or were they just disappointing?

Like, how do we parse that with what actually happened? It's disappointing, yes, because if you have, if you have two players that you know, that you know, that in theory they should work together, right? If you have Janus and you have Damien Lillard, those two guys should be one of the two best duos in the league and one of the elite wrecking clues. I still want to give them a B minus though, just because they've been able, a lot of teams have turmoil. My, this mic has fallen.

A lot of teams have turmoil and that leads to losses. The bucks have had a lot of that. and have still found a way to win games. So I think if we're grading the season, they've still put themselves in a position to where you can go into the playoffs, have a favorable matchup, have home court until you play the Celtics

or something like that. So you do have to give them credit for what they've done. But when we talk about power rankings and we'll get to that in a couple weeks, then I think we could be a little bit harder on them, but they've been about B minus. Most teams crumble under the pressure

and like we look at teams that fail miserably, like the Lakers of Russell Westbrook, maybe the Warriors issue, whatever may be. And maybe fail miserably is dramatic for the Warriors this year. But, you know, don't live up to expectations preseason. Typically, you're looking at a playing team or something of that sort, a 60, whatever may be. Being consistently two and at worst, three,

that's fighting through adversity to some extent. So I'm cool to be minus. The credit that they deserve is Janus Tithina Kumpo. Like, as long as he has spacing and, yeah, just spacing around him and he's still in his prime. there's no way throughout his career, especially in the Eastern Conference as well, have to give them that, that he's going to ever finish, like, you know, below a three seed. And him having one of the best seasons of all time that no one really cares about,

scoring-wise, and efficiency-wise as well. That is, like, carrying heavy. I don't know where they would be at if Yonis was just having a very stagnant season and didn't improve as a player at all. I heard in Kenny's video on his channel, he said, Yonis might have the greatest season of all time to finish as a fourth in MVP voting and that's so facts like it's so rare to see a stateline this ridiculous and not even be top three at MVP it's kind of hilarious like this league is at a ridiculous

point of production with their top stars it's never a headline of him shooting 60% from the field while putting up a clear 30 like it's ridiculous never seen this man I tell you insane voter fatigue we've never seen anything like this is lebron it's hilarious you got to close by 30 games into the year like I'm sorry it has no Nothing to do with him. You're disqualified. You're disqualified. Nothing to do with him in his MVP candidacy.

You're disqualified. That's ridiculous. Next, let's go to the Western Conference is the next team. Let's stick at the top of the conference. Minnesota Timberwolves. Is that an easy A? That's an easy A for considering expectations for sure.

Last is a live stream. Yeah. For all y'all who didn't turn in, tune in. You should be tuning in 8 p.m. Eastern Time every single Monday. Yesterday was a Tuesday. Forgive us. We all looked to,

back at our standings, preseason standings, we all had them like between the 10th and like ninth seed. No one believed in them. Nobody. Besides, mid as of Timberwell's fans would have told you from the start,

leaving the vision, the too big thing will work. And there was people that believe in them, but mass consensus was that, listen, we saw it, they try it, we understood the vision. It's not working with Cat at the 4, not getting the most out of Rudy Gold Bear,

putting a lot of pressure on it as a playmaker. It's kind of ify. They proved us all, wrong been the best defense in the league bar none and has made the necessary developments to be the best offensive player on the team cat has leaned into his role really well put the best defense of his career i don't know how you couldn't give him an a oh you 100% have to again we were talking about cat having to be traded and we were talking about that and the fact that ruddy gobert and that trade was arguably the worst trade in NBA history and having those two

things along with Anthony Edwards, you know, trying to make a leap, we're trying to see if he was going to make it. It was just too, too much. You remember the quote at the start of last season where he was like, I mean, I don't have any space in the paint. Like, it's hard to, it's hard to operate. And it just didn't feel good coming into the year for them to also not even have a good offense, but still be the best defense in the league and carry them into so many wins.

That is, you can't be fighting for a one. to not get an A. Yeah, exactly. So on that note, Thunder's an A2, right? Similar to the situation where they were a hot pick to be good now

and make that leap as a young core. But I don't know if the consensus was like, this is going to be a top three seed and maybe the one seat by end of the year. Easy A, right? If we were doing number grades,

they would have the highest grade in the league. In terms of how successful this year was given expectations. Over the Timberus? Yes. Okay, so what about Thunder is more surprised?

to you than the Timberwolves. I think that for, I think that for Oklahoma City, the fact that they were, one, out of the of the playoffs last year. And the one thing that really, really changed their team was Chet, a very skinny rookie who is coming off of a year-long foot surgery. And everyone's still like, ah, like, Chet's, he's supposed to be good, but I don't know how good he's going to be immediately. And he can turn them into an elite.

elite defense. Shea is fighting for MVP as well, something that Anthony Edwards isn't really doing. Like, Cheongren, Chad Holmgren can win or could have won rookie of the year at some point this year. Shea was and still is in the running for MVP. Mark Dagnall is in the running for coach of the year. Like they could win so many awards along the way. And the vibes also along the way have been immaculate. So I would give them the highest grade. This dude likes barking at post games at post game interviews it's fun what do you mean bro bro they like it's so like it honestly is refreshing to see young teams have this kind of like camaraderie early on like it just it's nice i don't know i like seeing it yeah and like all year the biggest they've been so good and have had

like so little weaknesses for the whole year the main talking point is how is josh giddy going to be in the playoffs is he going to be the liability he is right now he's really destroying them And he's been playing better lately He's becoming far less of an issue He's having the necessary aggression And confidence needed to attack the mismatches And not be able to just be ignored an offense And like, he's training the right direction

Come playoff time in a point that If you choose to believe it's real And it'll translate to the playoffs Which I don't know if I'm there yet I'm still kind of concerned But if you do believe that that's real They are so close to flawless I don't know why we doubt them

Other than youth can't win in the playoffs And you know that lazy argument I don't know why else What else can you pinpoint It's something that makes a season anything other than perfect. I mean, first, I wouldn't say that to lazy argument because I think it's a real thing just based off of an NBA history and track. It is a little bit. The last time that we saw a team like this go ahead and dominate at a young age was quite literally the same organization back when they had KD, Russ, and Hardin, shit like that.

And so could they be at those levels? I don't fucking know. The numbers are very comparable. J-dub is on an insane trajectory that a lot of people don't, you know, fully really. realize that. But nonetheless, I go toe to toe in my head in terms of like, which team is the most, like, which team is between the Timber Rules and OKC has been the more, more impressive. I'm my elite OKC because age and this is like so unforeseen. But at the same time with the Minnesota Timber Rules, it just seemed like it was just a cooked product just because of how

the roster was constructed. But seeing how James Mack, Mark Dagnall is and how unique his offense feels I'm not an exes and those guys but just running a certain axis like wow bro I'm over here and I'm watching it from a I see everything on the court

and I still have no idea what's going on like this dude is doing some next level shit right now you know oh yeah his whole thing is the guard he's really a lot of players

I think the LeBron era really ushered in like guard guard screens Ty Loo was really big on that playing small ball and attacking mismatches in that way LeBron did it for ISO purposes to attack small guys

in like the post and stuff in the playoff setting Mark Dagnol took that to the next fucking level and it's just like we're going to run pick and roll with every single combination you can think of

Chet's going to run it with Isaiah Joe's screening for him Shay's going to run it with Josh Gady screening for him all these different combinations that just make every single defender on the other team beyond their toes at all points

having to guard every sort of action possible next level and real quick to clarify I know I said it was lazy the you thing I think it's both possibly true and lazy

because while it is a factor right like if you look at them compared to like, you know, LeBron James and the Lakers, there's a clear difference in experience there that is a thing. But people are so quick to just like act like a thunder or just a walking lick in the first round against the playing team because of the youth, that the conversation isn't anything about the actual team, the actual exos we're talking about, the merit of their offense, the merit of their defense.

It's just like, yep, they're young. They're going to get clapped. You know why? And the way is used is very lazy. Yeah. And that's the only way. That's the first thing. The conversation is almost never about like the actual team.

and those are roster-wise because what the fuck are you going to talk about what are you going to say they have their star player they have their secondary star in a j-duv chet is a very very consistent rookie in terms of what he's being asked to do when he's also one of the most versatile valuable centers already interested in the league so it's like there's nothing that you can pinpoint towards other than their age but i agree holistically these teams deserve a massive a bro yeah a hundred percent all right dove what team want to do next um Let me go down the standings real quick. Let's go back to the Eastern Conference.

Let's talk about the Cleveland Cavaliers because they've had a very weird season. Shaky. I have, I have no idea where to put them. And I think like it's kind of the same concept as the bucks to where I want to give them credit for winning all these games. But at the same time, like, are they C plus, B minus? I won't say C plus. Because it still doesn't feel right. Like they've been able to accomplish a lot

and they've been able to win a lot of games. We are at this point in the season and I still don't know what is happening in Cleveland. So I have no idea what's going on. This will probably be one of the harder ones to gauge because a big, a major part of their struggles is injury related. So how much do you fault a team that just hasn't had their team together? it's not really faulting though because it's like the grizzlies are another team that are going to have a low grade it's not their fault that everybody got hurt it just is what it is so if we're just grading like we're just grading seasons it happens sometimes so i i wouldn't be scared to give the to give the calves a lower grade because of injuries um i think for them it's just a lack of really identity at this point in the year and that and for a team that has to have

as the amount of talent that they have. And Donovan Mitchell, who's played really, really well, Dary's Garland has taken a step back in certain, you know, aspects. Some rough time for sure. Exactly. It's not great. Okay, here's a question. Don, Mo, you answer this first.

Yeah. Do you, when you're grading these teams, are you focused more on what they did in the regular season or for a contender like them, how they've proven to project towards the playoff setting? because I think if you're just grading the regular season they deserve a really high grade to be the 3C despite their injury struggles

massively impressive but if you're grading towards what they've proven as a contender projecting towards the playoffs that's when we get to what Donovan's talking about where the lack of identity could be a little concerning yeah I like both of those thought processes and I like to combine them both

in terms of how we think and add context to these conversations because like throughout the first what 20 games boom darius garling gone and boom Evan Mobley out with like knee injury, you know, and they have to completely rewrite the way they play and Donovan Mitchell playing hella heliocentric ball for the first time in his career with OD spacing and shit. And then Don Deary's going, it's thrown into the mix.

Evan Mobley is thrown into the mix again. We're seeing them play so many different versions of like good starting lineups in the NBA objectively speaking. And then Derek Donovan Mitchell goes down. There's just so many, so many, they have, they've had the most roller coaster of a season. And I think the best way to vote them or to grade them is just simply just giving them a B, you know, because they haven't done anything surprising. But at the same time, they have had like a very hard, they've had true difficulty just getting things together because you can't, you can't when you don't have injuries or you when you don't have anybody healthy. Yeah.

I lean towards giving them a good grade, could be plus. I think... That's fair. They fixed a lot of their issues from last year. The reason their downfall in the playoffs came was pretty much like a spacing. At the end of the day, there's other things that happened, but it all came down to the fact that they couldn't contend with the Knicks' defense because they didn't have the safety valves to bail them out and space the floor

and allow their guys to deal with the pressure that the Nix were throwing at them. Max Struce has helped in a lot of regards in that way. They obviously have Nying. Isaac Okoro is making a big leap. Karis Lavert's been a good rotation player they've helped that issue their defense overall has been a little bit less consistent than last year

because of all the injuries I think they've done about what you'd expect for them given the injuries plus fixed a hole that we knew would have hurt them in the playoffs I think they deserve more credit than they do criticism

yeah so so we're going let's just go with straight B like yeah not a B plus not a B minus just right there be yeah there yeah i agree like the whole hard to project this team man i know because there's so many moving parts but considering the situation that they've been placed placed in caris overt making like real life leaps in terms of like playmaking and decision making in general and sam merrill coming out the cut out of nowhere being a real rotation player forgot about him him too he's a sniper

from hell bro so it's like they have they fixed those issues that i think it considering what they went through, they've maximized their potential as of now in terms of like, you know, what they've been able to do. Can't ask for any better. Side note. Side note. Tristan Thompson's in these highlights. I forgot who's with them early in the season.

What an arc that like, what a league we have right now with all these storylines that Tris and Thompson can have a steroid scandal and we can just forget about it. That's hysterical. He's hilarious. Dude did drugs in the middle of the season. He got suspended for quite a bit. Just did Thompson was juicing. Doing drugs, man.

Wow. Oh my goodness. a throwback. That's hilarious, bro. He was actually, like, playing very valuable basketball for him, too. I bet he was. Yeah. It was the actual hit. Calf's hands were actually sad when that happened, bro. Listen,

give Edis Cantor the shit he was on. He made me playing basketball too. You just uttered those two words. I can't believe you said that, bro. Isn't his last name, like, freedom now or some shit? Yeah, fuck at his can't do. That's what he wants us to call him. I'm not calling that. Call me freedom now. Fuck, I just can't do.

Yeah. What's the next team? He's so lame. Yeah. Um, okay, so next team, I guess we can go ahead and hop back into the Western conference. And do you guys want to go ahead and talk about the Los Angeles Clippers? This is another, yeah, yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, okay.

Okay, so they're currently the four seed, 47 and 28th. Five and five or the last 10 games. They're five and a half games out of the one seed. basically the top of the second tier of the league still. At one point, we're in that top tier of the league, but have fallen to the top of the second tier, have shown us ups and downs. But overall, we feel pretty good about them post-trade, right?

Like, you still feel better than you did like the first week of the season. Oh, you couldn't get any worse than the first week of the season. Better than 0.6. You had former announcers dropping basically this tracks against James Hardin in their entire organization. Yeah. Yeah. They're a hard one because you don't want to let the recency bias kick your ass too much, but also if you have a strong stretch and you can't maintain it, you can't get too much credit either. Is this another team that's a B for inconsistency? I don't know if this is clippers hate seep and through me. I feel like we have to give them a C. I know. I feel like we have to give them a C because not only has the recent stretch been bad.

But we haven't seen, and obviously like when you integrate somebody like James Harding, your play style is going to be different. But Kauai Leonard's scoring in terms of like how great of a score being in the upper echelon, that hasn't necessarily been there. We've seen Paul George kind of take a step back a little bit. James Harding has taken steps back. The whole team hasn't been as great as you thought. And they were like good at the start of the year. they were like fine get james hardin i feel like a majority of the season has been more average than wow yeah they had like 25 games with they're unstoppable but that's 25 is less than half of 82 obviously

yeah and so but so for the rest of the other 50-something games they've been cool and or horrendously bad so i think i would give them a C yeah they're still third in offensive rating for the year so they you know they profile as a heavy offensive team obviously built around james Hardens playmaking and the go-to scoring of their two elite wings. Even with the downside stretches, they're still top three in offense. So that still is played out to a level you'd want, right? Obviously, the Celtics number one by a mile is unstoppable. But after that, the clippers are like neck and neck for number two with Pacers.

They're 1.5 points of 100 possessions worse. Defense is 18th for the year. That's, you want a little bit better from a true contender, right? You have to be able to defend at a high level in the playoffs. Given the personnel, that's not too far off what you'd expect, right? No, but if you look at this stuff post all-star break, they're the third worst defense in the league. Okay, they've filtered the last 15 games.

Last 15 games they are. Whoa, I'm scrolling for a while. Jesus Christ. Where is the offense? They are 28th in offense. Oh, that's defense. Never mind. 28th in defense over last 15 games.

Yeah. But still fourth in offense. You know what that tells me really good on offense, really bad on defense. Let's meet in the middle and give them a C. Like that's what they are profiling out to be. towards the end of the season which honestly like we said has been more of what we've seen from them and the 25 games that they were going crazy we don't know if we're going to see that again

the clippers don't know if they can find what they had during that stretch again i don't know if i can give them the same grade as you know what i'm with you yeah i think there's teams that will have a worse season than that will grade higher even even with because despite the success overall the season, the Clipper's biggest issue when projecting to the playoff setting is in consistency. We know who James Hardin is.

We know who Paul George is. Great players that can have some moments in the playoffs where smart defenses can see them out of their rhythm and make them have famously bad moments in the playoff settings. This lack of consistency is a really bad sign for that to not translate to the playoffs, you know? That's the exact issue that you want them to not have,

and they have it. So C plus, I think. You can only get away with so much if you're like the Los Angeles clickers you know if you're like earlier in the season they were hitting all cylinders I always say that shit but they were clicking bro they were clicking like a motherfucker everyone was like just in their bag Zubotch we were hearing stories from reporters about how James Hardin stays after practice to work on his pick and roll game where Zubotch and also their shit and I feel like since then

what's hit them hella hard is complacency they're like oh shit when we really like do this shit and when we lock in we're like that and now you know referring to their defense especially they just play super i guess the word i would use is like nonchalant and just like relax and they've really let their foot off of the gas and you don't do that as a team when you're not solidified the only teams who deserve that type of pass and gash a are like any and all lebron james led teams in the past and like the denver nuggets and maybe the celtics bro and that's it yeah yeah They're eighth worst defensive rebound percentage in the league. So what you basically described is they are a low effort team at times

that they get laxidaisical in that way. Defensive rebounding is a clear way you can look at that. A lot of that is effort, or maybe it's their size efficiencies that hurt them too there, another weakness of theirs. But they're also ninth lowest in assists per game. There's red flags there that align with what you'd expect, given all the things you just said. All right, C plus.

Yeah. Harder's been looking real Rayben felt. As of weight, bro. And I hope to say it. He's maintaining his energy for the playoffs, so you can go back to being early season hardened. I hope. Okay.

I hope, I hope. Okay. That I hope saved you. Okay. We've been, me, Donovan, we've been picking teams. Who do you want to go with the next? Let's go across the hall. Let's talk about the Lakers.

Let's get people what they want. They're waiting for the Lakers and Warriors. Let's give them one of them and spice it up. What are you guys great in the Los Angeles Lakers? It's been a D? D? They are the nine seed right now. Like they were one of the teams.

And if we're talking about like expectations, they were one of the teams that many people thought had one of the best off seasons in terms of retaining talent, getting people on team-friendly contracts. Obviously, we've had some injuries. Gabe Vincent hasn't played a lick all year long. I understand that. He's back now. I get that. But this is a team with a healthy LeBron James, healthy Anthony Davis playing at his peak,

and you are fighting for your playoff life. That's not good. It's not good. Okay, so here's the thing. I've been trying to, I was thinking the same way. I've been very pessimistic with the Lakers as the Lakers fan. I'm trying, listen, they're 44 and 33. They're 11 games above 500.

It could be a lot fucking worse. How, okay, so this isn't just a Lakers issue. is a general Western conference issue. Yes. How do we deal with the fact that the West is historically loaded this year? One of the best Western conferences you've ever seen.

These teams in the play in tournament range are good. They're all winning way more games than they're losing. They're all like seven and three over the last 10. Legitimately good teams. The Lakers have an elite offense

since the all-star break. Defense, don't ask me about it. But you know, they're playing great basketball winning a lot more than they're losing. Is it their fault? They're still the ninth seed? Or are they just a victim of having an insane conference?

Like, that doesn't mean they've been failing as an individual team, you know? One thing that I can say that makes me lean towards being like, it's their fault is that AD and LeBron James haven't had any massive injury issues at all and have nine times been, nine times out of ten, been on the court almost at all times. That's very alarming. But they're winning. They're winning their games now.

Like, everybody else is winning too. Like, it's not, they're not doing poorly. Everybody's just doing well. It's insane. We don't ever really see years like this. So, like, do we blame the teams for the number being nine next to them, even though most years that would be like a seven, six seed? Probably like a six or five, honestly, at 44 and 33. Yeah.

They're going to win like 49 games. Like, that's not a normal nine seed. I'm sorry. The standard for everybody else. It's like, it's like when people argue Luca getting MVP and it's like, oh, well, you know, 2017 Russ did this and 2020 yokees did this or 2021 yokees did that, they're not going. up against 2021 yokech like if i understand if we were playing in 2014 this probably would be a 3 seed we're not in 2014 this is just what the league is right now and so everybody else has to play the same western conference and they have to win win games and eight other teams have figured out a way to

win more games and be in a better position than the lakers and so that's why i would give them a D, also because of the letdown that they had post-in-season tournament. And the complete way that their season has shifted after that. Bro. Oh, my God. My bad. I don't catch you up. I'm looking at last year.

You said this isn't 2012 and 2012 W3C. It's not even about 2012. Last year, the 3C had 48 wins. The Florida seed had 45 wins. The Lakers currently have 44. Like, they're playing so fine. This is just an absurd year in which standings are not. regular yeah i i get that but you're still fighting for your life yeah yeah exactly 77

i was like five games okay so they might win like 47 games something i will say is like if they would have like committed to a to be a dark name thing if you would have committed to a team identity way earlier in the season instead of like oh delo on the bench a r you're the guy and then like doing or actually was inverse of that a r on the bench delo you're the guy and just like just constantly flip-flopping putting cam reddish in the starting lineup and all that benching tory and prince tory and brent starting and there's just so much shit going on and they simply just like compared to what we expected at the start of the season to make this conversation easier to digest they just like did not reach them and I think more so it

probably is a coaching thing more than now that I think about it more and more 100% is yeah Darwin clan's put on a massive class of dog shit famously like for the reasons you said the land decisions have been ludicrous. Fans are clamoring for Rui to start. Once Rui started being the go-to-for, they became an elite offense. You know, they finally have Vendentity. Earlier in the season,

I was telling you guys that my biggest worry is with Vando, they can be a great defense, but not a good offense. But, like, he also, no neuters or offense. There was no path to them being an elite defense or an elite offense, given their personnel. They found a way to be that elite offense. So,

I'll go with y'all. I'll go like D-plus or maybe C-minus from being nice about it. Give them a C. C's a little too much for me. But I think it's because of so much wasted time, like you said, that Darbinham wasted so much time finding that identity and building a rhythm that it's a missed opportunity in that way. Yeah.

My final grade would be C-minus, and I only upgrade them because they were able to get the inaugural in-season tournament. So good for that. Oh, yeah, there you go. Listen, they got hardware. Who else can say that right now? Okay.

We got a fucking chip this year. It's going to be us and the Nuggets. The only teams I can say that. Oh, that's hilarious, bro. I remember during like the first. I don't see the Knicks of a trophy in their fucking banners. Oh, okay.

That's personal. I damn sure we'll see the Hawks of a trophy in their banners this year. I send a sad shit. The Lakers might not even make the playoffs. Let's move that. I send a said shit. Yeah.

Just get cucks for no reason. It's like that fucking when you have a row session as a kids. I don't know. You ain't laughing. Exactly. I remember the beginning of the season of the season, bro. I remember the beginning of the season when LeBron during,

I think what happened when they were facing off against the Nuggets, LeBron was like, you guys know I'm a point guard, right? And they were just running Austin Rees, heavy big a roll and shit like that and just having LeBron trying to force old man LeBron to play old man basketball early, which made sense. Yeah, I would, I, I like C, the more I talk about it, I like C.

Darwin, Hans, probably the most disappointing thing in the NBA this year, playing player, coach, staff, whatever you want to do, like any form of NBA part, Darwin is probably the most disappointing you can imagine. Like, from how good of a coach he was in the playoffs last year, outcoaching Steve Kerr and Taylor Jenkins, like, he had a legitimately good adjustments in the playoff settings. To come into this year and be, like, easily the worst coach outside of Adrian Griffin, it's ridiculous.

Yeah. I'm not having an identity until, like, halfway the season's over and you don't even make any monumental changes to your roster is embarrassing as fuck and if they were to if they were to committed to this at the start of the season they're probably like at 50 wins already by this time or at least around Dallas Mavericks or I guess it's like 50 wins you know same shit yeah yeah it's definitely my practice that they're not at least at like a six seed tragic well what are you gonna do all right what's the next team donovan um let's let's do it let's talk about the new york ninks real quick um let's hit all of our faves do

Yeah, let's do it. I want to go about B minus to C plus for the Knicks. Really? I was going to go A. Yeah, wow. The only reason why I would go B minus is just because the injuries towards the end of this, I guess, like since OG's been out, since Toronto has been out, it's been very, very tough for Brunton to really like carry everybody.

like the Knicks were on pace to get the two seed and then everybody kind of got hurt and then they fell back into into the packet if you're looking at the standings right now they're tied with with Orlando they had a bad loss to Miami last night they are the two games up on Miami hopefully right they can they can keep going they've lost three in a row I think that all the hope for them in the playoffs and building towards a legitimate playoff run without OG without Randall that's really killed a lot of that momentum. So if those guys are still there, I would give them an A. And if we're talking about building for the future, I would still give them an A. But the way that the season has played out over this last, you know, 20-something

games, there's been some highs and there's been some real lows. So I'm going to give them a B. Okay. I understand that. I try to default teams too much for just dealing with injuries. You know, like when I think of lowering teams' grades, I try to think of it like, is there a failure because of them, or is it just unluckiness? And I think it's a general thing that people in NBA discourse don't really do. People commonly blame for just the outcome, even if the outcome is injuries, which is, you know, purely luck. And I think when you're a team like them who are firmly mid as fuck and you can make moves to be a team with a legit ceiling, that's an effective year to me. I absolutely agree.

Yeah, I would, me personally, I would want to give them a, because through all the injuries that they face, they just keep on finding ways. to evolve as a team and get the most juice out of every single player like there is a stretch where Josh fucking heart was putting up Nicola Yolkich light type numbers when I say that he just getting hell of fucking rebounds play making as much as he could

he's put a cool 15 points you know it's just like wow getting as much of just from him deuce McBride is a real player he wasn't shooting shit for the entirety of his NBA career until the last month two months when they needed him the most dude was getting complete DMPs you know I say a hard

I think we all knew he was like good valuable player and to just be able to call him up whenever you have Mitch Robinson issues, injuries, and have that city force is such a luxury, you know. I think they deserve an A because they've shown with a healthy OG and Ninobe especially that with when everything and when everyone is there is present is in attendance, that they are one of the more scarier teams in the Eastern Conference. And I want to like, I think I also give them a based off of like my expectation of them. It was a lot, not a lot lower, but it was lower than yours, Donovan's, of course. And to see them outpaced that to such levels to where like, I'm like, yo, I feel like they can upset a team. They're like absolutely healthy in the Eastern Conference. That's special. And I think they deserve an A.

Yeah. I think like someone like the calves, we fault them because their injuries have put them in a situation where they don't have an identity. And even when healthy, we don't really know. to project for them. That's why the injuries hurt them. I don't really feel the way for the Knicks. I think we saw enough sample size that when they're healthy,

they know exactly who they are. They have a ceiling defensively that makes them scary in a playoff setting. They were top of the league in turnover percentage, top the league in defensive rating, top the league in rebounding, top the league and all these key stats that give them advantages

that are very clear and we know what to expect from them. That's enough to be to not ding them too much for being hurt. Yeah. That's fair. I think I think just like the way that

OG injury was kind of handled like originally they're like okay he's going to be out a couple days and then it was like the reporting around that was dead yeah the reporting around that was very very weird um even the randall stuff like i saw today you know i forgot what like account tweeted out but they were saying that randall honestly like probably should have gotten surgery whenever the injury happened he was trying to wait and see if he could heal it naturally so it's not looking great for them. Again, I think for the future, if you're talking about Leon Rose's year, I think he had an amazing year, getting off R.J. Barrett's contract, bringing in O.J. and Inobie, signing him for the future. Also, Jalen Brunson, individually, a lot of

Knicks had really, really good years. But as a team, when you're looking at them and the way that they look right now, it's like, it's good, but it's not the full thing. I think you're a little sad right now. That's all it is. You know, you're your feelings. You're Tom Ball. See you guys in June. Let's go ahead and start a you try to take away my get me out of the hood fund for your goddamn get Nick's finals tickets, bro. Like, that's ridiculous. I'm not supposed to happen. I'm sad that it happened this way, but I'm happy you got humbled. But I'm going to move on the next team. Let's go back to the Western Conference. How we're getting the Mavericks? Obviously an interesting team that started very, very mediocre,

as expected coming in the year, made legit moves and are fantastic now. Dark Horse to make it out of the Western Conference. Lucas ascending to being a clear cut top three player in the NBA, I think. Whether you feel, however you feel about that.

He finally has a strong cast around him. Kyrie's fitting beautifully. They have a legit front court. Jason Kidd isn't torpedoing them right now. He's finally figuring out how he wants to deploy that first little front court. These are going well. Do they deserve an A?

They deserve an A for how they turn around the shit. They do. Before the trade, they were like 29 and 23. Post trade, they're like over 15, 16 games over 500. That is ridiculous. You know how impressive? I just mentioned that we have an unprecedented level of success in the Western Conference and how it's impossible to get out of the playing tournament range.

They did it. They're in the five seed now. They found a way to get out of it by just winning a million games in a row. Like that alone, knowing the competitiveness out there this year and to blitz the league this hard in the second half of the season, immense accomplishment. yeah i think the fact the fact that you're winning games is fantastic the fact that you drafted a rookie an impact rookie in derrick lively and he's able to to play like meaningful minutes for you guys that's great the fact that lucca has ascended to now being in legitimate conversations about

is he the best player in the world another check for you guys the fact that you guys that the dallas mavericks have been able to get the most consistent basketball show stretch from Kyrie Irving in years. Yeah. That's another check. And arguably the best that we've ever seen Kyrie like, this has been a success of a season. And like you said, Isaac, they are a major, major threat to make the Western Conference

finals and to do that again. So. And they've addressed so many weaknesses too. Yes. Like something that I really respect is real quick, teams like them understanding that they fucked up and immediately writing their wrongs, aka, like, getting Grant Williams the fuck up out of here. Yeah.

And there's just so many things, like, people always blame Luca for having a slow pace and saying that, you know, that's a flaw and whatnot. They're sixth in pace this year. They're playing to Kyrie Irving's pace, who's being incredibly quick. Lucas matched that, clearly something he's improved upon. They said he couldn't play next to other star ball handlers. He ran Jimlin Brunson out of town. It's his fault that Chris Hasport was a thing didn't work.

Kyrie Irving's thriving as a player who's best with the ball in his hands well maybe that's unfair because Kyrie's a fantastic golf ball but you know he's a point guard still thrives next to Luca neither one of them hurt each other at all they have I think like a plus 5.5 net rating when they're both on the court

something fantastic they are third best in turnover percentage they are seventh highest and effective field goal percentage all these things that clear signs that they've improved fix a lot of flaws as a team that what's the biggest weakness right now in the playoffs saying

What are you most scared of from a team as him? I think it's just their defense at times, which is normal. That's still like, I don't want to say a clear weakness, but it's still something that's like, okay, when it matters the most, who are, who's going to like, who are your elite point of attack defenders? Who are your stoppers? Who's going to. Dante motherfucking Exum. He's healthy again. Yeah.

I mean, shout out to Dante Exam. His career trajectory is fucking insane, bro. But I mean, that doesn't sound good, though, when you, like, say that out loud. It's like, don't say XM is my safer. Yeah, he's underrated, he's good. They're seventh in defense over the last 15 games. They have a legitimately really good interior defense now. Daniel Gaffer is blocking shots.

We know what Derek lively is. Like, PJ Washington has been a godsend there. I said he should be there Aaron Gordon. He's not Aaron Gordon, not many people are, but defensively he's filling that role. Now, offensively, you know, he's not catching lobs, not hitting corner threes like we wanted to. But he's helped their defense as much as we could have hoped he would. Yeah, I agree. He's not an absolute zero like we've seen in the past.

Grant Williams. I'm all in on the Mazz. I keep saying it every time we touched a mic, I said in the last stream. I think they're going to make the conference finals. I think assuming that the bracket works out that way, we're going to see them versus Nuggets in the conference finals. We will see, man.

We will see. I love the MASS. A plus. You giving me, Donovan? Huh? What are you giving them? Yeah, listen, I'm fighting for my life over here. I just took a sip of whatever I was drinking on.

I texted you guys earlier saying that I had another case This is awful I'm fighting for my life here That hiccup was so bitch made You don't sneeze like a man You don't hear you talk for like five minutes What do you do? Please understand why

God Dude that was the funniest fucking hiccup I've ever heard Midsinence You sound like goofy I'm going through it I'm going through it so bad right now lungs are going to jump out of your chest man damn you're scared me for a second listen i'll be back i need to get a drink yeah something go ahead and get a swing man let's head a commercial

break let's go over let's take a break we're about halfway through all these teams we're going to talk about let's step over to producer corner okay what do you got for us today can we like talk about the political and economic state of the world right now geopolitical climate yeah exactly no I actually do want to talk about trade trade routes yeah they don't want to talk about that sadly but

I didn't want Donna who's they them the people over there exactly they don't want to talk about it what I do want to talk about is something kind of a social issue that's been on my mind and Isaac I know you're a little passionate about this

yeah I'm having the absolute worst pod ever because I just spilled water all over myself this is not this is not I thought this is your flu game right now embrace it the hiccup game if you all are to hear a comment donovan is so brave for the hiccups or something like that comment about his hiccups I have survived prayers for donovan's hiccups I'm not having a good time right now I'm sorry to kill you're good I thought you were going to walk off Do you want to change your pants?

No, my pants are fine. It's my jacket. Oh, okay. RIP. What social issue you want to talk about? Drip too hard. You do got that shit on us. Yeah, so I want to talk about,

have we as a society, are we thinking too critically now about media? Like, do people know how to enjoy themselves, have fun when they watch something? And you think, we can talk about the NBA. We can talk about players going off. People, you know, hop on Twitter and all they can do is, like, complain about like,

oh, that guy's a rebound merchant, he's a stat merchant, whatever. But just in general, man, like, do people know how to have fun when watching stuff anymore? No, the answer is no. This is the plague to NBA discourse. You said that, you know, I'm passionate about it, correct.

I think the way we talk about sports, specifically, you said, do we think too critically about media? That's another conversation. I think in many aspects, people don't think critically enough about, like, art. But in sports, People only consume sports by waiting for the next player to slander. Twitter jokes and, like, slanting people after playoffs has taken too far of a step

that now that's just like the only way people think. It's either you're the goat or your shit and you get slandered. It's just a constant need to criticize, need to hate on something for like funny points. I don't know if it's a first take effect, if it's an internet effect, whatever may be. But negativity has become far too much of NBA discourse, for sure. go ahead ma i'm fine for my life i'll jump in real quick no i'll say negativity in general has ruled the world for years in years and years entire existence people just tend to just like veered towards that but it's like well this NBA twitter is done in this context has just like

exposed people um and shine a brighter light of just who people really are people are haters bruh like they the bright the positive side of their day is watching i don't know like kevin iranne go ahead and shoot two for 17 in the critical playoff game and some 15 year old dude on twitter is gonna go home he just found out he failed his math test god damn he hates his life he's just going through it at life and uh yeah let me go ahead and fire off these kd memes let me go ahead and fire off these lebron legacy memes about his hairline or whatever the hell it is. It's just like it's the easiest way. It's projecting. It's the easiest way to go ahead and like put that pressure off of yourself and let it be an escape. Hate is an escape

for a lot of people. Genuine hate. I also think it's a, uh, a bit of part of it is like an internet issue. Like you're right. There is inherently some negativity that comes as people in general. But a big part of in sports media is like an internet effect of like everybody wants to either be funny or smart. Does a common thing of social media is quickly going from where you go to post socially and communicate with friends and people around you to now everybody's making content. Everything on Twitter, anything on TikTok is just like people are having to make content. That's what posts on social will become.

And because of that, people either want to get laughs off and be funny and get retweets or be smart and be an analyst and be like, I see past this. I see that this guy actually stinks. He actually doesn't win winning basketball because I got to have the smartest take in the room. You guys are overhyped and Luke Donchitz. He's actually a ball hog and blah, blah, blah, blah. it's just like a need to be different and need to be superior whether it be for humor for entertainment for whatever that just leads to people doing too much sound yeah i think i think like

negativity this is ridiculous let go out fight through it i know listen okay cutie pie i believe in you so i think i think negativity and not thinking critically are two different things yeah yes um and so i think like negativity i think like negativity i obviously is one thing, but I think the not thinking critically is like, that's what Isaac is talking about, like, trying to be, trying to be like the smartest player or the smartest person in the room at all times. Because there is, there's some times where, and like, you have this meme pulled up right now where it's like, there's, there's some players in the league where you watch them and you kind of like over, overhate them. And I know that I do this

sometimes, too, I think specifically with Janus, where I'm like, he doesn't have a bag, da-da-da. It's partially because it's like fun and it's, and it's funny to me. But like, but like he's also one of the three best players in the world. And so I think like, as long as you have a baseline acknowledgement of like, I'm doing, I'm doing this purely for jokes, then that's kind of okay. But some, but like the problem is the jokes get said so often. Exactly. Right. Like everybody is saying the same joke Because everybody's fighting for the same retweet And then that joke becomes reality or perception

And that's the problem That's the problem We have people go on here And Anthony Davis has heard a lot And they're like day to day Davis Shacks on TV being like street clothes And like these jokes about him being unavailable And being soft because of it

Become the prevailing narrative Now if you talk to any casual NBA fan go ask your older brother, your dad, whatever, mention the Lakers, mention Anthony Davis. And if they don't really keep up like that, they'll be like, they got to trade him, he's too soft, he's too weak, he doesn't give LeBron the help he needs. Obviously, that's not really the case.

Whilst it's rooted in reality to some extent, his lack of availability has hurt them in the past, he's not a soft player, right? The same thing applies to Rudy Gaubert. The jokes were that, like, he can't defend anything. Terrance Man, hit a million threes and kicked him out of the league. Terran's man exposed him. Obviously, that was a team.

they decide to leave them open. That's nothing to do with Reducco Bear's ability to guard the perimeter, but the jokes become reality. Luke Donchich doesn't make the playing tournament and they're like, oh, is he just James Hardin? Obviously, the team had the worst defense in the league post-trade deadline

and nothing to do what Luca Donch's not being good enough. But that becomes a reality until it proves otherwise, you know, like all these things that start as jokes, like Donovan said that Jan is having no bag, become prevailing narratives because people see it so much and don't have the ability to decipher

when people are joking when they're not. Yeah. And aside from basketball, like, in media, I think in movies, some people try to be too critical. I think in music, it's a very big problem where people don't, like, think about music at all. So, yeah. Like, I think, I think music is cooked for a lot of people because you're just going to come on here.

We, I remember, Isaac, like, we were having in one of our chats, we were having this conversation like two days ago, where somebody, we were talking about Drake for like the 11 million time. and just saying like what people think on night one in the first 30 minutes of listening to the album when the album is 45 minutes that ends up being what they think about the project and you don't live with the album anymore you don't live with with the music and like that's a problem you know like so there's a weird move online to like anti-intellectualism

and a lot of stuff and people like like see this graphic you get pulled up is funny in an MBA context, but in a wider media context, the short form brain that everybody has because of TikTok has made people think that people that think hard about things and intellectualize art are like dorks and doing too much in a way that is like hurt discourse around a lot of things. Like Donovan said about movies,

I don't remember like what you said, but movies and people have strong opinions are like, oh, this film, bro, when really they're just like engaging with art in front of them. Okay, so that's an issue. That's actually the reason why I brought this up. I've been re-watching like random superhero movies

and so I was re-watching Spider-Man No Way Home and I had like my thoughts about the movie but just re-watching it I was like dude if you just kind of turn your brain off and just enjoy the fact that like

it's just nostalgic it's just a great just a great movie to watch like just a past time like you can enjoy it without having to like immediately dissect and like criticize the MCU or whatever and I feel like sometimes people just

it's like they want to get that negative takeoff and like they just kind of like for sure yeah and it kind of it's like can you just enjoy something for like for once like we can talk about later but like you know just watch yeah yeah a bit different conversation there

because that's at the point of like what standards do you have for every piece of art like are you consuming this as the same standards as you would no country for old men or you understand it's a fucking barber movie stuff fun yeah exactly that's a little bit different yeah yeah now this conversation is super interesting

is in what makes like all this super apparent is like if back when we were like 13 12 years old or back to the older adults who were like 20 years old and Twitter wasn't really like a prevalent thing these issues like weren't really seen because you just don't have these types of conversations often in real life you know and if you do you quickly but you very quickly like you know deter yourself away from that person or that group or whatever and now that it's all down your face it's hard to like escape this shit and now your perceptions. It's like, what did I say? Yeah. Why you got a mouthful? Now it's going down your throat. It's hard to escape it. Now I just can't escape it because it's everywhere, you know. No, I get it. You're

right. That's a good point. That people, being chronically online has made discoursing. People like, it's like discourse square. People are discoursing about discourse. That's what college was, though. Like, that's what all of our goose to word, bro. Like, we, like, we would. And that's, and yeah. And that's what happens in college is that you have people like, college is one of the first times where like you're off on your own and you're starting to like be an adult and you think that you know everything about the world after living in a dorm for two months and you're like well actually that you know you start going off on all of these tangents and you look back three years later and it's like yeah I was actually stupid as hell like I actually didn't know anything that was

talking about okay yes but we stayed up to like 5 a.m. what is it putting Drake songs in a bracket like what else are you going to do that and that's stupid like it but that's not That's fine though. That's not like it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It was fun. Like, if you are like actually thinking, I think like if you go back and you think about half the takes that you had in college like three years ago, how many of those would you change right now? I'm Lavar Ball. Oh. Never wrong. Okay. No, I don't you mean. There's definitely a point of intellectual curiosity that develops. And when that first develops, you don't quite know where to point it yet. And you think. really hard and really big and you're really full of yourself and then you realized on the line that like there's a balance there necessary. So if I could just play devil's advocate real quick, the duality of the thing is like that like you definitely see those types of

people in college. People learn. That's the point. They learn about fat. They learn about the negativity side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you realize that this part of it is true, part of it you need to not be. This isn't become a very different conversation pretty soon. I guess we'll leave this here. We can move on, but like, you're right. Touch fucking grass, Nekeel. That's all I got to say. Listen, I was like, damn, can we talk about the Hawks?

No, when I look at you, I think that they just give anyone a mic. You think everyone just has too many opinions. We need to take away people's ability to fucking have internet, is what you're saying. He's a closed guitar center, close Amazon, no more podcast mic.

Exactly. That's a closing student. That's funny. That's a good producer quirer. We can move on back to the grades and finish us out. You know what, Mo, you're up next. Tell us about the Atlanta Hawks. What grade are you giving the Atlanta Hawks this year?

We can go ahead and keep this shit short. I mean, they deserve. I would give them, I will give them an F if it wasn't for like Jalen Johnson, like appearing in him being empowered by Quinn Snyder. So shout out to him. Eeku Kouk has been shooting threes when he was healthy. So, or later on down the line he was.

But outside of that, Nothing else looks really encouraging. I mean, Tri-Young is trying young. DeJante Murray is talented, but not in the way that we need him. This team deserves a D-Bra. Strictly, awful. He's talented, but not in the way that we need him. I got to think about that for a second.

That's a good one. Oh, God. I don't even want to think about it, yeah. No, that's a smooth F. This team is just shit. No bright future ahead of them. All their wings that they flanked their star guard with, having panned out beside Jalen Johnson now.

they don't have a good defense don't have a good offense we don't know if the two best players can coexist we don't know if either them can demand a trade hall that makes it worth it so they can really rebuild and contend again just they're downright terrible they're in a terrible position we thought that they were going to be one of the top six teams in the conference

and they are two months away from a full rebuild this is an F yeah to it's pretty damning to be like this mid over the last like four years you know or three years I would say really you just made absolutely no traction all the pieces that you know envisioned being empowered

and growing alongside trey young which are like john conns meh role player he's on the utah jazz he just got concussed a couple weeks ago by anthony edwards having a okay season no one talks about him anymore kevin herner bleh like you know what i'm saying no one really talks about him anymore either good player but no one ever she should never be considered a part of a fucking core and he was for the alana hawk so it just goes to show how poorly ran this front offices, this off this front offices from like head to toe. Well, they made a conference finals in 2021 and don't forget, we were talking about them as having the best young core in the NBA.

We were like, oh my God, this is how you do it. People were like, the Dallas Mavericks did such a worst job building around their stars than the Hawks did. Like people had hopes for this team in this core. People thought DeAndre Hunter would develop into something nice. John Collins was getting better. They thought Kevin Herder was going to be Clay Thompson to Trey Youngstaff Curry. Can there was high assholes

That hurts the most Cam Reddish being fucking ass hurts Brutts brough he had grown men out here A.k.a. Me being like Cam Fam Cam Fam cam cam cam cams On goddamn Twitter bro shit sucks Well that that was crazy you need to re-evalued yourself For that one wasn't me it was all at Duke University

And people who watched Cam back when he was in fucking high school It's sad Yeah if you watched him at Duke you wouldn't have thought quite the same you don't know real ball yeah man we can move on the biggest F tier they oh your life sucks right now

shut up your life sucks let's move back to the Western Conference what do you guys want to grade the Pelicans as got gotta be an A

honestly I think I think that they have um they've come together and kind of proven a lot of people wrong and they have been much better than expected and for them to be in the top six have zion also take this leap and have a full year

i think that alone is a massive win for them yeah i'll go b though i think they've done a lot with what they have but in a similar way to what we're talking about with the calves like how much do we balance what they did in the regular season plus what we think about them going to the playoff setting, what they approved does. I think if you look at that, first half, whether they do in the regular season, we're really high. We can give them an A. But if you look at them in a playoff setting, they still have those weaknesses. Yonis Fondunis is still a big problem that they haven't addressed. I don't even know what they want to. Willie Green clearly doesn't like playing him anymore, but the front office didn't view it as a thing they had addressed

in the trade deadline. I have some, they still have some of those flaws we talked about. They've just managed to be good in the regular season despite of it. But the flaws are still apparent, you know, they still have either a big, slow, lumbering big, and Jonas Fanchunis who hurts their defense or Larry Nance who's one of the worst offensive players in a rotation that hurts a rebounding a lot. It's not a good option. Counterpoint, Herb Jones is amazing. Herb Jones is a god. I love Herb Jones and Larry and Trey Murphy. Yeah. So yeah. You have you have the the growth of two young wings for your team alongside a star that has finally once again like been able to play for you, which has been a major issue over the last four.

years. So I think it's a it's a it's a massive win for you for them. Okay. I'm cool with that. I'll probably go like B or B plus. I'm not mad at an A. I just don't I want to reserve A for people that like that's don't have a lot of questions about them yet. And they still have their flaws that Pelican fans to tell you about. Yeah. I would I want to give them an A because I'm like they shouldn't be this good. But at the same time like looking back at our season predictions I I think Isaac and I had him at like a seventh seat and you had them like low way lower than that not even because of health issues or whatever I had them at at 12 because I thought Zion was going to get hurt again that's hilarious yeah that's yeah I wouldn't yeah but that's

another conversation yeah but yeah there's six though they thought they'd be seven they're six which granted they're very the mabs are just going insane but they're 45 and 30 they're pretty great I didn't think they'd win 50 games exactly this is a very successful season but I can't give them an A because there's no like clear direct pathway to like oh yeah like they don't have to make any more moves they're still figuring out some figuring out they needs to be done I think their identity still needs to be catered even more towards Zion Williamson there's some roster construction issues as well so I can't give them an A like I would like the Oklahoma City Thunder or any other A list team that we name so B is for sure like a fair point for them they've proven to have a really

high floor because they're coached so well but I think they still need to make a a move to have a to have the ceiling there to like they can make a conference finals or winning championship exactly i agree solid be okay going over the eastern conference what are you on to write the miami heat see like what has happened what have they done their offense is like hasn't changed in like three four years it feels like like i nothing developed so it's like i saw a comment that said uh why is the manmy heat section always the shortest one I think we should give them a C and move on let's keep it up yeah yeah let's do it they don't they don't care until April anyway so we don't care we don't care exactly we'll talk

about them in a playoff setting fuck out of you you guys enter rate the Pacers they might be a B they should be a B interesting they are the seventh seed 43 and 34 obviously Tyre's Halliburton had an insane start to the year there's still the second offense overall for the season despite Tyler Taliburton struggles made the move Pascal Seacom that's objectively a good move to help them you know have a long-term ceiling still a bit up and down though

I don't know yeah it has to be a net positive though if you talk if you talk about the pacers I would give them probably a B just because even even with what

I guess they fell into the plane but they're fighting for a top six seed with the injury of Tyrese Hallibur of Tyrese and we saw that whenever he was healthy. Like, he was one of the best four point guards in the league. Yeah. Yeah. I would probably give them the V because they figured out a lot of things as the season went on. Of course, like, winning hasn't been there as much as you'd want it to be. But their identity is still forming. Trading for Pascal Shackham was still a great move, even though the, you know, they haven't

produced on the courts of the level we all wanted them to. Aaron Neesmith, like a lot of people don't know and don't really care, but he's quickly moving to be like one of the best three and D. guys role players in the entire NBA you know like miles Turner still Miles Turner Aaron I said Aaron Neesmith um Andrew Nebhardt is like a fantastic two guard to place alongside Tyreys Hallibrand there's still like there's still things I need to be figured out with this team and this roster but I know who they are know what they can be and it's just like a time thing for them so I feel like I want to give them a B they haven't like disappoint the only disappointment that's been there is like Tyrese being injured that's it

Okay. Yeah, I don't have a ton of thoughts about the Pacers. So I'll trust y'all on that. We can move on. The Sacramento Kings, roughly who they were last year, despite the, basically they had more injuries this year and the clutch numbers are ridiculous last year. So they went to the seventh seed, 44 and 31. 148 games last year will probably be roughly around the same mark. But the league got better. They didn't, as you guys have mentioned. Darren Fox has been, I saw a Kings fan on a follow on TikTok say that he's the most inconsistent. superstar, or a superstar, but inconsistent star player in the league. Facts. DeMontas a bonus has been awesome, but outside of that, inconsistency is probably the word to describe their season. Is that a C? I'm giving them a D. Woo. A D. Okay. D. Explain. I think that I think that the Kings have the things that they

wanted to base their season on, which was the continuity. We've seen that it has that it has taking them from a top three seed to now in the playing and their defense, which is obviously like not as bad as it was as it was last year, still not amazing. And it's like when you are not the best offense in the league, it's a problem. And they are, they are wildly inconsistent. For a team that is roughly going to have the same amount of wins that they did last year, I don't know from a night to night basis what I'm getting from the Kings. And you still have fundamental issues with subonis you just said everything about dear and fox being being inconsistent i don't know what the kings are i know you're laughing i'm i'm about to throw this mic away like

yeah but the question is what's the expectations for the kings right because like most they've been so asked i think they're still kind of in the point where like being a good team is good right like they have such a downtrod in past 20 years that like two years in a row been a good playoff team, like, none of us expected them to be contenders. No one thought they were going to be out here making the conference finals. None of us had faith in Demontasabonis and Deeran Fox to be a championship nucleus. So they've kind of been who they are. It's a solid team.

And we know how the Western Conference is that one day you can be the three seed, next day you can be the seven seed. It's so close and so tough. Maybe that's just they're doing what was expected of them. Well, I think that this season has been a clear sign of regression from them rather than it's been a combination of the rest of the league got better and the rest of the conference is better. And you guys didn't really make any moves. It's been, it's been a combination of that. And on a night to night basis, you guys just are worse than what you were last year.

So that's an issue. People in their front office and coaching staff were yelling the growth that we're going to see as a team. The additions that we're going to be making as a team is development from our young guys, you know, and that they just basically like bit way too much off than they can actually chew and now they're just like along with they have they were they were one of the more healthiest they were the healthiest team of the NBA last season don't have that luck sadly anymore and now they're just scratching clawing and fighting and they're looking for the next jolt of energy the next counterattack the next someone who can give them another just looking for the next tool to use and yeah keon ellis is that and i said that's in a joking way a couple weeks

ago or maybe it was like two months ago or so like i don't know what else this team can have or use as an advantage that might that you know like give them another edge in a different way and keon ellis is that he's a defensive menace and he just has immense impact but this is just fucking keon ellis like with him as a starter they have like an 11-3 record which is impressive but at the end of the day it's still keon ellis so it's like this is the most they deserve a sea they deserve a see straight up. There we go. See, it is, I guess. Donovan said D. C minus.

Let's do it. Next team. The Phoenix Suns. How do we feel about the Phoenix Suns? F. Because they are obviously a team that had a lot of expectations. Made a big trade. You have Kevin Ratt. You have Devin Booker. Two, top 10, top 11 or so players. You should be really good. They are firmly in the eighth seed right now. Actually, they're tied with the Kings for 7 and 8. We'll see how that shakes out.

They are ninth, ninth and offensive rating for the year. they have the sixth worst turnover percentage and fourth in free throw rate I'm looking at these stats we have prepared you know just they are who we thought they were they're a team built on junk shooters in a negative way if you were a team the person that hated on them

and you decided that the Bradley Biel trade wasn't the smartest move in the world you know they have duplicative skill sets that don't help each other no elite passers no super strong defenders lack of size Kevin Rancher really important size piece there, your rebound is going to be poor, the passing lack of skill there leads

to turnover is like all the negatives kind of played out in the way you'd think they would. Yeah. They are in the churches, bro. I agree. I would give them an F for this year because I really would because even though that, like, I think all three of us kind of had ideas about them and their playoff ceiling, we all thought at the bare minimum, this style of basketball and this collection of talent, should work in the regular season.

And the fact that you are fighting for your playoff life and you are in the eight seat and could potentially move down to nine depending on how the rest of the year, depending on how the rest of the year goes, that's a problem. And I know that they've gone with a lot of injuries in and out throughout the season. It hasn't been great for Phoenix this year. I think it's unless they win a championship this year is a failure. You don't move heaven and earth, aka all your picks, assets, and remaining young players, to be fighting for your life. They have the next available draft pick that they have control of comes in the year like 2031.

That's disgusting. If you make all these types of moves, you better be a fucking top one, two, or three seed. And they've been obviously far below that. If I'm a Phoenix Suns fans, fan, I am sick to my stomach throwing up everywhere because A, you guys aren't looking great right now and also B, things are just literally going to get worse as time goes on because you don't have any picks, no real young players other than who fucking bowl, Nizir Little, you know what I'm saying? Grayson Allen's going to get a fucking bag in the offseason.

KD is 35, 36 years old. He's only going to get older. Devin Booker's there, you know what I'm saying? And then Bradley Bill, you have to be, you have to your cap locked into him. until the year 2027 when his contract is over. They're in fucking hell right now. They're actually fifth in rebound percentage. I misspoke earlier.

I thought they were bad at rebounding. They've actually got a lot better since early in the season. They're fifth and rebound percentage overall. And they're still a lot of strategy. But yeah, listen, they're 13th in defensive rating for the season. That is perfectly fine. It's fine. It's okay.

It's passable for a team that's, you know, super team construction with three stars. But you've got to be higher than ninth in defense. It's like what we talk about with the bucks, how early in the season they were like a top three offense and their defense was atrocious. We were like, just get to mediocre. Get to 13th, 12th, 11th, something like that,

and you're good enough. Every offensive lean team we've seen in the past winning championship has been around there usually. So the sons that did their job on that side, putting the necessary role players around their stars to defend at a decent enough level. But, you know, the nucleus of stars hasn't worked out as we hoped.

Ninth an offense just isn't good enough. You've got to be truly high-powered if you build around this type of talent. Matt Ispia, Tombstone, Power Drive, their team into fucking hell, bro. His impatience is what killed every, all of the momentum

the most momentum that Phoenix Suns fans have seen since fucking 09, 2010, but it's sad. Yeah. Yeah, the annoying part to me is not annoying

but concerning part I should say is the last three years of the Sun's basketball under Chris Paul, obviously they're led by Chris Paul. They don't get to the fucking rim. They were the biggest

mid-range shooting team ever never got to the rim. They were 30th in rim frequency for three straight years under Chris Paul. This year, replacing Chris Paul Bradley Beal, who at this point his career, his greatest strength is his ability to get into the perimeter and create penetration off the dribble, get to the rim essentially.

You would have hoped that that would kind of fix that and make it a little bit better. And it did, but there's still just 25th in rim frequency. That's not good enough when you're a bottom five team and turnover percentage aren't creating easy looks for anybody. Your bucket getters are not getting buckets as easy as you want them to. And again, when your entire team is based off of like these three guys to carry everything, you really need them to be like Superman every, really every single night.

And the fact that, and listen, first off, shout out to Grayson Allen because he's been hooping. It shouldn't come down to is Grace and Allen hooping for the sons to be like moving forward in the playoffs. So because that position alone makes me feel like you guys are either at a D at best

or this is a failed year again only righted by a championship in my opinion I'll go D I maybe D plus because I think okay so it's an F because when you make this up a move you have to be really good when you have that lack of long term outlook

like Mo said but also it's kind of predictable you know like it's it happened I was little I gave them like benefit of doubt that maybe you could work with Italian talent but we knew these concerns we would be there and it just played out that way you know do you remember what seed you guys

you had the Phoenix Suns coming into the year I had them at four third you had them two three or four you had them as a second seed yes you predict them being a second seed doesn't surprise me doesn't surprise me because I fucking never saw the Timberwolves thunder and all them coming from all the way so

it doesn't surprise me I get the benefit of the doubt yeah exactly but also like we all genuinely believed that they were going to be one of the more unstoppable teams on offense and just to not be what you're supposed to hang your hat on is sad as fuck fair enough met ispia oh my goodness i just can't i just feel so bad for son's fans you know what that is that was me looking back on it i don't even remember being the high on them clearly you pulled the receipts got to give them an f because i thought they'd be great i think

that was mostly residual because i really believed them the year prior when they had chris paul right for the kd trade i are truly believing them in last year's playoffs obviously we know that and a fucking Yokish gauntlet came in and chewed them up. I think I had residual left over belief in the previous year that I was willing to overlook a lot of these weaknesses that were in our face. And you weren't wrong about that either. No one looked at you like as if you were absolutely insane

and made so much sense. Oh, I was wrong clearly. Yeah, for sure. We were all wrong. We were all wrong like shit, bro. But just to see them this down bad, I say it as if they're like literally like the 10th or ninth seed. They're not better than that, of course,

but not much better. They should be that, considering where expectations were in. The only reason why the grade is so bad is because the expectation what they should have been. It's another team, though, and keep mind. They're going to win like 48 games.

The conference is weird this year. So, again, seating isn't everything. True, but there's the context behind how they're getting that 48 is like... Exactly. That's... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand that.

Okay. Golden State Warriors, what are we going to grade every... America's team, the team that gets the most clicks on every social post that people are going to click to this timestamp to watch

what are we being the Golden State Warriors do you know we have to give them enough you know we have to give them enough really Draymond Green listen do we have seen the we've seen the complete fall off

of Clay Thompson we have seen Draymond Green miss miss so many games because he has incited violence on the floor that's a funny way to put it we have seen

some like your sentence in the fifth 50 years in jail right now. I'm sorry. Listen, we've seen inconsistencies from Steph Curry. And once again, we talk about the sons fighting for their life.

The Houston Rockets are right on the warrior's tail. And there is still a major possibility that they miss the play in. This is not a good season for them. Steph Curry was crying on the floor the other night.

We're in April, and he's crying on the floor because the situation is so bad. It's not a good. good year. No, I'll go F. The biggest reason for me is you know, when you have Steph Curry and you have to maximize the years he

has left, you're obviously in win now mode anytime he's on the court and they've made, they have him looking washed the past two months because his life is so motherfucking difficult with the lineups they can put out there right now. He has no creation around him. They put Draymond at center

which has done a lot to help compared to what they were early in the year. because now they have that release valve and one less non-spatial on the floor. But like the players that we're looking at to do better and help him and be release valves whenever teams throw hard doubles than him, Brandon Pajemski, John the Kaminga, Moses Moody, these young guys are young guys. These shouldn't be the people we're looking at and be like praying for him to give Seth Curry help. He's in such a hard position for an older aging point guard that he has to be Superman like he was in 2021, 2021, 22.

And he just can't do that every night anymore. He's getting older. It's hard. If he has a cold shooting stretch, like he has a. of late, the team fucking suffers because of it. And it's just, it's not fair to him to have him be in the situation at this point of his career. And you know

what that is? Tis, tis, tis. Look at the go-to-state warriors facing the consequences of their actions. What a shame. This is just them. You know, I'm saying, facing how badly they handled

all these past NBA drafts, not bringing in real quality players on a consistent base, while also Steve Curtin on developing these players in a timely manner. You shouldn't have John Likaminga come out to public and be like, yo, I deserve more minutes and then embarrassed your head coach by absolutely killing him whenever he does get the minutes. And then Moses Moody does the same thing, like 20 minutes later and still hasn't had that opportunity.

But, you know what I'm saying? Like, just the fact that you have to go through that just makes things so much worse. So it's foreseen. I wish I would have like saw this coming. You already fucking hated them coming into the year. Isaac, kudos to you for predicting that. Did I? Yeah, you weren't hiding them.

No, I didn't like them, but I still projected them to be a good record, right? Didn't I say they make the five seed? Yeah, well, you, yeah, you liked them coming into the year, but once you saw the first two, three weeks of them, you're like this teammate fucking, you know what I'm saying? A lot of people running Chris Paul on the effect that he had, which was, and I was one of those players are people, bro, just like. Oh, yeah, and I never bought it to the Chris Paul bullshit. That was, I remember that.

That was the week we had Kenny on the pod. Obviously, Kenny's a big Chris Paul fan. and I was like, let's see, he's playing good the first week you can have it. I never believed in that bullshit. Yeah, like that effect that effect just wore off completely. Yeah, I assumed they'd just be a good

regular season team again. I didn't think they'd make a playoff splash by any means, but I figured they'd win games like they usually do. Like they have usually a high floor and they have in the second half the season. They've been, they were like, it's outdated now by a few games,

but for a while they were 21 and 10 over the previous 31 games. They are very solid now. They're better. Now that they have Jonathan Caminga and Jremong Green is the front court. But it's at the Lakers, they waited way too long to get there. And overall, it's been very disappointing.

I figured they'd be like what they have been in the second half of the year for the whole year. And the regular season wins would come. And then to get clapped by the Lakers or something in the playoffs again, like they did last year. Yeah. Can't pick a, you got to pick a struggle, bro. You can't have your head coach make very questionable decisions early into the season. Start to play T.J.D. Trace Jackson.

Your boy. Shout out your hero. I mean, he's nice. What can I say? You guys see these highlights right now? 18 and 9. that's classic basketball. He just gave up a dunk by Mo Wagner.

Yeah, I mean. Mo Wagner just blew by him. Yeah. All right, let's relax. No, I didn't know. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

He slipped to pick and roll that TJ did do a great job playing because he has lead feet, but I understand. Yeah, bro. Like I was saying, they just got to pick a struggle. You can't have your head coach to make poor decisions in terms of like finding their identity and not evolving fast enough. You can't, damn, now is nasty. And then you can't.

Free Moses moody, man. He's good. He needs real. opportunity. It's disgusting. Make him a raptor or something. Yeah, I agree. I agree. This team deserves an F for a D or whatever you guys on a rock with, I'm down.

Okay, well, I've only got a few teams left. 76ers. How do we feel about them given Joel and B's injury but domination pre that? It honestly doesn't even feel right to grade their season. Incomplete?

If you want to grade them incomplete. Literally, literally they were like, Joel was playing the best basketball of his career and then he gets hurt for like three months I don't know how to look at that properly yeah it's just unfortunate he's not to grade them like is L like it's sad it just happens like you have an all-time great season you're witnessing somebody clearly going to win back-to-back MVP legitimately won the greatest scoring seasons of all time your team is promising we're flirting with like hey are they loki the second best team

in the conference like we're flirting with some takes about them all comes crashing down because the one knee injury. You really can't learn anything about them after that because your team is so thin and so built around the one star. So it's just been like 30 games of useless information. Exactly. Incomplete, bro. I don't know. Take your ass back to class. L. Look at them and L. Okay. Bulls. What do you want to give the definition of mid? See? What? I mean, they've been fine. They're going to play in team again. You know, they are who they are. They're exactly where you thought they'd be. The only positive thing that I can say about the Bulls is like Kobe White is here and he's a part of that

team long term and Caruso's nice but that ain't none that we didn't know so just similar to the Hawks like they did they did gain something positive out of the year but the Hawks had expectations the Bulls did not yeah that is true the hawk well I mean I'm not even going to the Hawks failed their mission statement of being a good team the bull succeeded their mission statement of being average and in some ways that means it's the perfect season? Perfect season and you came out a little bit better than that because you have Kobe White now who's arrived.

They might be in A plus. Oh my God. When you seek mid and you find mid, you succeed. No, you're actually cooking because this is what their front office wanted to do. This is the goal. The expressed interest in this team is to get

the eight seat every year and be in the playing tournament and they did that with resounding success. I think you're actually cooking right now. This might be the most right you've ever been in your entire life like they literally this is precisely what they wanted they're waiting tell me more tell me more about the bulls and their pursuit of mid it's beautiful we've never seen someone be this successful i'm not going to lie three years running since the play internment came into the success into into being they were like this is our time we will be the play

tournament team and they've never once missed it they never once missed it that's a dynasty of the playing tournament you're disgusting bro have some same i would assume it was also awesome. He's dribbling the ball in this, uh, highlight. Kobe White's talking about a lot. He's the other bright spot there. Fuck it. S. S plus, plus. This is the team means exactly what they saw it out to be. Perfect year. Yeah. I had to assume who's home grown to when he's still developing. Went to school at Illinois, had a, was a great senior or junior player or whatever. I guess you go ahead and give him an A plus. Fuck it. Who we got left. Houston Rockets.

what B A I think B is fair for sure I won't say A because they are still figuring themselves out clearly But B is going to be right

It was a building block year for them Exactly I think I kind of want to go A because they are on The borderline of making the playing They were an unsirious franchise For three straight years Like money laundering level

Of unsiriousness Sangoon is playing at an all-star level. Jalen Green has come around. Amen Thompson is popping. You have so many young prospects that look good. Dylan Brooks doesn't look like a bad contract, right? Like, this is a lot of good stuff is happening in Houston this year. Yeah, I'll go ahead.

I'm with you. What's the goal for them this year? It was become competent and develop their players in a way that you can project them to have long-term success after the damage Stephen Silas put upon them in the last two years. Sangoon has been empowered is their best player that played through him he worked out well

Jalen Green we thought he'd have to get traded we thought he was a bona fide bust he's working well now Amman Thompson finding a role as a rookie he's been incredibly impactful Jabari Smith looks really good

he looks like he's going to be a legitimately really good role player for a long time playing since Sangoon Dylan Brooks and Fred Van Vleet succeeded bringing them veteran leadership and competency that's worked Tyreason

you look good Cam Whitmore look good top down pretty much been a success given the standards of just being solid. They have a culture of trying hard

under Armadioka. They've had a legit top 10 defense for most of the year despite being so young and having a mediocre defensive center. That's a resigning success. Exactly. I'm going to here. You know, you could talk me into A for sure,

but everything is not figured out just yet. Sure, but it's not supposed to be, right? It's not supposed to be, you're right? And that was the goal, but if everything was figured out, I would go ahead and give them an A, but it's not just yet. And there's still, like, kinks still that need to be worked out.

If Jalen Greer was doing this for the entirety of the year, renting them based off the entire season, then how big, yeah, for sure, they deserve an A. But Gian Gros was an issue for 70% of the season still. Yeah, if Jalen Gros was doing this all year, they'd be like the five seed. We'd be talking about them a lot differently. Yeah, but now doing it, like, I still give him kudos,

and he deserves, like, all the admiration in the world still. But, like, he was one of the biggest talking points. One of the bigger talking points throughout the season as a young player and teams not knowing really what to do or how to evaluate him. If this was early, if he arrived earlier, I'd want to give them an A, but it's just too late for me to go ahead and give them that. So I want to, I feel comfortable with like a B, B plus because the identity is there. They're a serious organization now. Okay, that's fair enough. Y'all, that concludes our grading of every single NBA team.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, did we talk about the Orlando magic? No. Oh, I forgot about the magic. Come on. What is it great for Leylando Magic? We have to give them an A. Yes. Absolutely.

Yeah. Elite defense. Palo Ban Carroll made the All-Star leap. Franz Wagner, the three-point shot is a bit iffy, right? That's holding him back from making the leap as well. But he's continued to be good, obviously, despite that. Jonathan Isaac, a godsend. Jalen Suggs, low-key, and the most improved player are running.

They've managed to get something good out of Goga Batadze and Mo Wagner in their center rotation. Still have their question marks at guard, obviously, long. term but they build a legit foundation of winning that is real i think right yes absolutely bro like they definitely deserve an a because the foundation is there and also there's something that like the olanda via the houston rockets don't have there's just like a pathway to success and you don't have to do mental mental gymnastics in terms of figuring out what this team needs to reach that next level so that's a for sure exactly and then i think We also, listen, to the Utah Jazz, you guys had a very nice start.

You guys have done some good things this year. You've lost 10 straight, and it's get into tanking season. So I'm going to give you guys a D. Step up from F. You haven't been completely incompetent. And the Memphis Grizzlies also want to give you guys an F, but I'm going to give you guys D because you found Gigi Jackson, you found Vince Williams. You have pieces moving forward.

Good job for that. I thought I threw those guys into the early rapid fire, but if I forgot them, there we go. Solid bad seasons. Good job, guys. The rebuild continues. Shout out to them. I don't say,

I'm not even that low for the Grizzies because it's a, it's a rebuild, it's a blessing in disguise. It's going to set them up really well for years going forward. But then again, you don't ever want to waste a year when you have a really great team, so can't all be all rainbows.

Yeah, I'd be okay if you wanted to give them to be. Anyways, let's go ahead and get into showtime. Crown Eaters, where are you at? It is your time to fucking rise and shine. Let's lock the fuck in and kill these segments. Woo! Welcome to TikTok time. We're going to begin by putting Mo on the fucking hot seat.

We're going to put the spotlight on you or we're going to play a new game where me and Donovan had to name random NBA players. But these NBA players are from a specific category that me and him know. And Mo has to try to guess what the category is. As soon as he can do it with the least players possible, the better. Listen, whatever it is, bad category,

ORA, who's the best shooters, who has the best hairline, whatever it is, I got this shit on lock. Yeah, we're just good. Yeah, you're going to keep saying players as long as you need to until Mo knows what they all have in common. This could be. How prepared do you feel? Brown eaters?

I got you. All right. So real simple. Let's name in. Let's name random NBA players until Mo can figure out what category they come from. Let's fucking lock in. Let's do it. Jason Tatum.

Assar Thompson. Scottie Barnes. Asar Thompson. Scotty Barnes. Palo Bancaro. They're Fords. Jason Tatum. Anthony Edwards.

Anthony Edwards. Jonathan Camiga. Jonathan Caminger. Do they have all? Oh, no. Scottie Barnes doesn't have a 40-inchvert. What the fuck? Okay, keep on going. That's so specific. Yeah. Jalen Suggs. Damn, who the hell? Okay, keep on going. Keep on going. Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan.

LeBron James. Okay. You're in hell. Bro, you put in a Thompson twin. That ruined everything for me, along with Scottie Barnes. Dway Wade. Kevin Knox Kevin Knox

Kevin Knox Fortnite boy What do you want to me to say at this point They're all black That's all I could say in half here

Christos Forzingas Okay now you ruined Everything That was my only lead Dragan Bender What the fuck We're going back

To like 2013 14 bro I'm putting this man A blender Chet Hongren Chet Hongren do damn

bro I have no correlation between Dragon Bender and fucking Jason Tatum did they get the ass Heem Olajuwon I am in hell this is cruel right now this is cruelty straight cruelty

We're jumping his ass Steph Curry Hakeem Olajuwon Steph Curry Ricky Rubio. Who the fuck are you guys talking to right now?

That's got to be a troll. Johnny Flynn. All right. You know what? I would choke you if you were in front of me right now. Julius Randall. Jalen Green.

Now you're just listing NBA players. There's no way in hell all these players should belong under in one category, bro. DeAndre Aidan. Zion Williamson. Are they first round picks? That's the only correlation that I see. You're getting warmer.

They're all first round picks. Oh, they're all in the lottery. You're getting even warmer. They're all top five. Oh, a little too warm. They're all top 10. Yeah. I'm in my bag.

I do this shit. Shut up, shut up. Can't fuck with me. Shut up. You admitted to being cooked. Shut up. I do this shit. Fuck you're talking about.

You doubted me. You doubted me. Never again. Undefeated. I'm a lost. I wish I was stone cold Steve boss. Oh, shit. Whoops.

I know she was doing it. A little bit. Damn. A little bit. My crayon eater juice right there. Now I'm cooked. That's hilarious. Listen, I took you a while, but you got there.

You'll get better next time. Now you know what type of things to think about. Oh, bro. He said Johnny Flynn. like bro now you're fucking with me I was crazy yeah next time I'll be on the hot spot I think it's a fun game

that is crazy you guys are eating next thing we're gonna do let's keep it gamey I have this graphic that Nikil can pull up that it's one of those things

kind of like you got $15 to build the perfect team you see this on Twitter a lot for this one you guys have $10 to build the perfect big three I got categories of $5 $3 and $2

Basically, you got to pick one player from each category. I want to know who you guys that make is your ideal big three. All right. Real simple. You got $10. Who is your big three? Listen, I'm spending my money. Give me the light skin.

I'm taking Steph Curry. To quote my King James, give me the lightscape, motherfucker. We got $10. I want Steph Curry as my $5 player. Okay. Okay. You know what? Fine.

I'll do you one better. I'll take LeBron James. I'm still building around the king. Okay. I'm getting the value pick here. Let me Chet Hongren for $2. You want to start with the ancillary piece? Okay. Yeah. Great piece. You can go with literally anybody, bro. Okay.

You know what? Listen, I got LeBron slasher. I'm going to pick Chahonger as well. Okay. I'm going to go with Bam at a bio. I'm going to take a slight upgrade. Am I big? And I would take, I would take BAM. How much of the upgrade is? I don't know. Okay. cool that's that's spicy no i think it's still an upgrade give me bet if i got lebron it's not an

upgrade because i'd rather have the shooting next to him you know what speaking of shooting go ahead and give me the second best shooter here give me tyrese halliburton i need his value also on this team my playmaking is out of the fucking universe listen are you getting today's tyrese halliburton or january's tyrese halliburings that's a very different player is it deep voice Tyrese Tyrese Halliburton or light voice Tyrese Halliburton? We got questions in tournament Tyrese Halliburton or play in tournament Tyreys Halliburton I'll never know

what you're going to get. Whatever it is I'm taking my bet to you Tyrese Listen I got LeBron I got Ched Holmgren Easiest choice in the world give me Donovan Mitchell Low key Listen, he's closer to the best guard here than he is to the third I'll say that

Ooh hmm Okay Okay Listen, I need I have my point guard I have my big man I have my point guard I'm a big man

I need somebody right in the middle Give me Scotty Barnes Over Pelham Yes I want that defense Okay I like that your team is very versatile Brough playmaking is out of the fucking roof Mo you haven't even picked your star yet

Which Ford are you going with Or you're going to double point guard Double point guard I can't do it I can't do it I believe in Tyree since day one I have to either go with K.D. or LeBron James. I think LeBron James is a better player, but Katie's a more fun pick.

I'm here for the children. I'm making Chet Hongrim's dreams come true. Give me Tyrese, Chet, and Kevin Durant. The OD has he pool is crazy. It's Chet's dream to play with Katie. Yeah, bro. He's one of his childhood heroes. I'm for the kids.

I guess. Has he said that before? No. Would it be surprising? No. Would it be Red Chet's mind? Yeah, exactly. Look at the way he plays.

He's tall-skinned and do who likes a dribble. He must have KD influence. Watch him be a LeBron stand. Yeah. Yeah, so I got LeBron, D. Mitch, and Chet. Loki think that's the best answer. Yeah, that's the best, but that's the most boring. I got Tyreys Halliburn, K.D. and Chet.

I have Steph Curry, Scotty Bart. I have Steph Curry. Curry, Scotty Barnes, and Bam at a bio. I like that. Very, very well-rounded. Yeah. Imagine Bam and Scottie Barnes together. It's like really effective, but really not fun to watch, I think.

Bam, if you got Curry, who's the ultimate fun to watch. I don't know. I don't care about fun. I just care about wins. And in a three-on-three, 2K blacktop, we're getting it. You see, 2K blacktop is all you're thinking about. You're one-dimensional, bro. I hate you from all eight angles at all times.

I'm getting you over there through regular regulation each angle don't miss an angle which angle you're hitting them from which angle I'm in them from okay how do you want to hit Donovan okay we're not going there

buddy but we weren't even talking about that we were talking about waves yeah that's an insider that's crazy next video

well I believe you have some NBA tattoos to show us. Ah, yes, we did this a couple months ago, actually. We lasted this during the summer. Why do you crown eaters are new here? Welcome. And a lot of you guys have been here. Congratulations.

Thank you for riding with us. Today, again, I'm going to have you guys look at some historical NBA tattoos and rate them for me on a scale of 1 through 10. Okay. What are we rating them on? How good of a tattoo it is? Yeah, good. It depends on the player.

It depends on how you're feeling at this moment right now. but how good it is, how cool it is. You know what I'm saying? 10 being like, yo, that's actually fire creative. You know what I'm saying? And one obviously being,

oh my God, I can't believe this is real. All right. Let's show me the garbage. Let's do it. Let's go ahead. Rate these NBA tattoos on a scale of one to 10. Number one,

we got Andre Carolinko, AK 47. Is that a dragon? Is that a mosquito? Is that a dragon fly? A dragon or a mosquito. This is. some beast that Andre carolinko just did randomly one day bro i have no i couldn't tell you what

this is looks like one of the same workers i'm saying this is a dungeon and dragons character i'll tell you what it is it's ugly this is not good this is not good it's too red it looks like it hurts it looks like it hurts it looks like it's infected it looks cool for sure it's not one of those generic tattoos so he immediately has to get like a four or a five off back No, it doesn't. Who says? There's a lot of unique shit that's terrible. Listen, getting emoji tattoos was unique.

I don't think that makes Mike Scott's tattoo a 10. Exactly. And this is my rating, and I'm giving it a two. On my scale, this is a zero, because I can barely tell what it is, and I think it looks tacky. AK-47, I've been out-voted. Sorry. I love your game. AK-47, don't love your tattoo game.

Yeah, nah. I agree. What's next? Next up, we got Bull Bull and his tattoo of Squidward. Does that say a loser? Yeah, it was in an episode. That's not everything Bull Bull does perplexes me. I do not understand him as a person.

That's not even the biggest question. What part of his body is this? Is his calf really this big? Is this his forearm? Where on his body is this? Because I don't know what this is. Yeah, this is on his calf. This is on his leg.

It looks like a turkey leg. ginormous. It's ginormous. It's crazy. Do you not remind you of your childhood, the brighter days, Donovan? It does. It reminds me of Diary Wimpy Kid, loaded diaper. That's what this reminds me of. This is a dire wimpy kid tattoo. I don't think it's a good thing. Tadding screwed and the whole loser thing.

I understand it, but it's a zero for me, dog. It's a zero for me, dog. Let's think for two seconds before we get things tattered on bodies can we do that right because i don't think i because i don't think bobo did that now let's see the bigger picture let's see the bigger picture bull does this rating go down for you because it's bowl if this was on wemby or chit hongrum would this be higher for you no not not at all it would make me view victim wimonyama's future goat case worse wow sorry this tattoo is i'll give it a one at a ten damn one out of ten okay

This hurts Bobo's legacy. Oh my goodness. Okay. One out of ten to swear. Can't hate on it too much. What's next? Ooh, this is Kyrie Irving's Friends tattoo. Listen, Friends is one of my favorite shows of all time.

I think it is overhated. This is 10 out of 10. It's one of the best pieces of white people culture from the 90s. And I love it. I don't know if I can go as far as 10 out of 10, but it's all right. Listen, I've seen some shows that I love. I don't know if I love it enough to get a tattoo of it. But if you do, and that's your shit, more power to you.

Ross and Rachel were on a break, and everybody needs to understand that. I'm going to get an attack on Titan tattoo right here. All right. Slow down now. Maybe you're on a summer. Okay. I might have to deval for that. Naruto.

Oh, my God. Weirdo. Weirdo. I'll give it a five. It's all right. It's whatever. Five. Okay. That's fair. I'll meet you guys in the middle. I'll go ahead and give this like a seven. What's next? Seven for just a friend's logo? You're generous. It's hard. I didn't know Kyrie was chill like this. That's actually very cool. I mean, he just, you know what I'm saying? Crosses people up, gets coached buckets and comes homes and watch friends of this family, really like honorable man. What can you say? All right. What's next? who next up we got damon stardomire's tattoo of his grandmother on his arm oh it's his grandma okay i was like at the one of his damon above it my shout out grandma i respect it 10 out 10th 10 why is his name tattooed above that why does damon have damon on him in case he gets lost duh it's like a dog tag you don't remember

your name's at war come on that's too fucking i guess that's real focus of the show right there He's an NBA player. They have wild nights out. He needs to know who he is. It's like Woody. They wrote Andy on his boot. Damon's doing it to himself. Do we just not carry our IDs on us anymore, man?

I guess so. I bet. He just loves his name. This is self-love. This is what people talk about. No, and that's the best love. 10 out of 10 again, I guess. Oh, my goodness.

This is what TD3 is about right here. What's next? This is the 10. Who next up, this is Damon Stardmire again. He has another tattoo of, this is not Mickey Mouse, but this is Mighty Mouse. I don't know what that is. Was Mighty Mouse a thing? I believe so. I mean, it might have been, bro.

Or did he just call himself Mighty Mouse? Is that his nickname? Yeah. He's like, he's like 5859, I think. If that is his nickname. this gets an immediate boost. Okay, I looked it up. This is his nickname.

So not only did he, so not only did he tattoo, his legal name on his arm also is a nickname, he will never get lost. Anywhere you go, he is identifiable by two tattoos. That's a record amount

of identifiable tattoos. I agree, bro. This is A plus branding for himself also. This has to be a 10. Yeah, he basically has his passport on his back. That's hilarious. Passport on his back.

If he likes that I love it Yeah Easy 10 Yeah 10 out of 10 Listen Damien Sotomayor can do no wrong apparently Damien Sotomayor Shout out to you

What's next? Next up We have Brandon Jennings getting a tattoo of Rosco's chicken That is a famous restaurant All around America Now see you're

Listen you're setting me up You're set setting me up. I'm not going to say the thing. What thing? My lips are sealed. This is not my conversation to have. Is it not a good place, Donovan? Have you never been there before? We'll talk about this offline. I think this might be a, okay, it makes a lot of people look bad. So I want to say this is like a two, but at the same time, I respect him because he's standing for what he believes in. What does he believe in? Quality. food and chicken and waffles that's what it is

it's just Rosco's not even like it's fine it's great to him bro what you mean Don what did you say last time what oh listen you like it I love it 10 and that's all right

that's the last one what an interesting tattoo Rosco's chicken and waffles we need more and be I wish it was better but it's just fine Yeah, we need more NBA players to get outrageous tattoos, bro. Back in the day they were on one.

These are hilarious. Next thing we're going to do, let's go ahead and do something relating to hot takes. And not to say hot takes, but claims and just like general discourse topics. I'm going to give you an NBA take or just general statement and you got to tell me if it's a W or an L, if you agree or disagree. You know, real simple.

Okay. So is this NBA take a W or an L? first off Jalen Brunson is better than Trey young right now this is a W Trey young can't shoot a basketball he has a broken pinky I'm not saying who would win a 1v1 today but who's a better player overall

same shit applies bro he's the better player right now overall I guess get the fuck out of my face why do you want me to say oh my chest he can't say with your chest he's sad because he knows that it's the truth he knows that Jalen Brunson is better than Trey Young right now now. Right now, I have to be honest, he is the best player to wear number 11 right now in

the Eastern Conference. But next year, what a wildly specific. Oh, Detroit Young's with number 11. Okay. Yeah, exactly. Next year, though, we are coming for that fucking throne. Best believe. What's he going to do next year? I changes this. He's going to sue 40% from three point line. Okay. All right. I did not come here for this fucking plan. He's having 14 assists when he plays with Wembe, and then he will actually be better. So you're saying, Troy Young has to be the second option to be better? That's tough. Exactly.

Oh, my goodness. Jalen Brunson needs to be a second option, too. He's not on number one. Candace Parker told you all months ago, too. Facts. First of all, that wasn't Candace Parker. That was Becky Hammond. You got your women mixed up.

Oh, this guy doesn't respect women. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, don't say that. W take. For now, W. I can't lie. All right.

WRL, the Nets have the worst future in the NBA. They're in the fucking mud, bro. They're in the mud. It's an L. And they have no choice. They don't have the worst. Who is the worst? The Charlotte Hornets.

Nah. What? Nah. The Charlotte. Why? When has Charlotte ever had hope? They don't do anything right. And their main start that they just gave $260 million.

his ankles are broken every November. He can't last. They are going to forever be in a mood. Would you rather have 20-year-old Brandon Miller or 27-year-old McHale Bridges and none of your first-round picks? Yeah. Would you rather be in Brooklyn

where you can have the slight chance of getting a free agent or be in Charlotte, North Carolina? Tell me which one you want. You said the Brooklynettes as if they fucking, oh, they'd land Carrie and Katie. couple years ago, but still, you can't blame the Hornet's. And how did it turn out? And how did it turn out?

You think any star is dying to go there after how that played out? I fucking doubt it. Dude, half of the Hornets roster didn't get the fucking drugs. So it's like, how can you pick it? Listen, the Hornets have a core, an actual young core, and a soon-to-be top-five pick.

The fucking Nets have 16 role players that should be on other teams and a whole lot of nothing to go with it. No draft picks, no stars. in the pipeline, no promising young talent that can take a step forward. They are nothing. The best thing about Brooklyn right now is whenever Macau Bridges hits a three and he can hit you with that celebration. Other than that, they ain't got nothing going on. The best thing about Brooklyn is they have a Kith store. That's all we can talk about. I wasn't aware. I'm going

to New York tomorrow. I will tap in. Best thing to come out of Brooklyn is Shake Shack. Okay. That's hilarious. Shakeshack is elite. it's awesome it's so good all right next up Nicole Yokic is a top three passer of all time

he got it really he got it Lebron Magic Yokic I agree Yokic is not the third name on that list

we're talking Magic Johnson we're talking to Colo Yokish he is top two I'm not ranking I'm just saying wow higher than I'm going to go there

we talk with listen he's long had the best passing big man of all time crown that's a conversation doesn't need to be had he long has had for about two years now he's had the best passer in the NBA not a conversation needs to be had

we got to take it to the next step he is on Mount Rushmore passers listen did you see I know everybody saw I don't even have to ask the full core outlet pass that he had the other day on the money he has every pass in his bag he has alley oops he has

outlets he has bounce passes he has behind the He has no looks. Every pass that you could ask anybody to make, Nicola Yolkidge does it. Exactly. He has the processing speed of LeBron James, the passing accuracy of Chris Paul, the height advantage of Magic Johnson,

but to an even greater degree, and the full package. I don't even know what his passing weakness would be to make him not be a top three. He's honestly at the point now he's averaging 10 assists per game too, so you can't even do the volume thing against him. No weakness is there. You know what?

I was going to try to argue against you guys. But I'm going to just shut up in Sam. my corner. That's right. You're not going to win a Nicole Yogan argument against me. I won't let it happen. I'll be louder even if I'm wrong. All right, next up. Jalen Green

will be an all-star next year. Nah. All-star starter? It wasn't supposed to say starter. It wasn't supposed say starter. Just all-star? No. Is Jaylon being an all-star next year? No. No. No. No. No. That's the case. You don't believe in the leap? I need to see it in October.

Yeah, exactly. And the leap needs to be monumentous, bro. Like, Curry's still there, Lucas still there, Anthony Edwards just arrived, Devin Booker still exists. I didn't even talk about Shaygillus Alexander. That's by the guards right there for you, bro. Deere Fox is still there? Yeah, that's tough. That ain't going to happen. Every year, guys get hurt, though. Like, do you think, is it crazy that you could think, see this past month and assume Jalen Green will be all-star level? Listen, he might not be the best player or the most all-star caliber player on his own team. Yeah.

They'd have be pretty good to get you All-Stars. Yeah, they'd have to be like a top five seat at minimum

and even then that's just like a, we've seen literally the Sacramento Kings be that and it's tough for okay. And no All-Stars.

Yeah. Tough. Politics. Sorry, Jalen Green. They're giving you an L-take. It wasn't me, but we'll continue.

L-take. Definitely. Next up. Anthony Edwards is the best shooting guard in the NBA. People have tried to push this

narrative. All your long. And Devin Booker, just like on this, just waiting in the corner. Understand, Devin Booker's still here. He's still the best shooting guard in the league. Hasn't gone anywhere. Yeah. I agree. I agree for sure. I would say there's more of an argument for him to be like the second best. But even then, I like Donovan Mitchell still absolutely insane. Even though he just coming back from injury, we know who he is at the end of the day. I would say it's like still the, he's the third best comfortably for sure. But he could be the second by the end of the playoffs.

Listen, if anybody's going to spread Devin Booker propaganda, it will be me. I just wanted to see how much y'all were writing for Our Man. Devin Booker's still better, the better passer, the better score. Good defender, you know Anthony Edwards is better there, but overall game, I'm picking Devin Booker still easily. Exactly. And just don't have enough advantages. He does have a way better shoe, though.

It's not a comparison there. I need some more consistency from it before I can make him the best shooting guard in the lead. Devin Booker made the finals as the best player on his team. We don't talk about that enough That is true Yeah, we don't care about that Sun's team You're so care

Everybody hates Everybody hates them Booker If Anthony Edwards One day He might be the best Because it'll be Pure gold

With the way he apps Oh yeah You make a podcast In NBA player You get cloud points Immediately that rises you up A good 10 points In rankings

I agree I'm looking at Jeff T And I'm thinking Hall of Fame now You think he'll be A Hall of Fame And makes a podcast He's literally

going to be the goat. He's joining? Yeah, just literally Jordan, bro. Yeah, that'll change things. All right, next up. The Monta's bonus is more valuable than Rudy Gobert.

Who said this? This is an understandable Is this what the street is saying? The streets are talking. Streets need to shut the fuck up. Exactly. This is a terrible take. It's understandable.

try to rationalize a little bit for a second. No, no, no. We don't have to rationalize it. When you see crazy, you don't rationalize crazy. This is wrong and it's insane. Sabonis is not more valuable. He's not equally as valuable as Rudy Gobert. It's not true.

If you want to do like the whole, he's more talented, sure, whatever. He probably has a higher 2K rating because he does more things well. But what Rudy Gobert brings defensively brings more winning, has more impact than what the bonus brings as a double-double machine he is. because you're not going to win with a lack of lesser defensive center and a player who needs a ball in his hands and isn't a spacer.

It's a hard formula to win with and we know Regal Bear can play next to talented offensive players. We know who elevate everybody defensively so much easier to build the winning team with that. Sabonis' double doubles are fake. Wow, bro, now that is crazy.

After he does he did some that historic you're saying it's fake. I don't care by any of it. You know how they have streaming farms? I don't know what Subonis did but he did that for double doubles. He's boughting them. He's faking his streams.

That's good. Oh my God, right? He's paying off the scorekeepers is what you're saying. Yeah. You're not going to win a playoff series and you pick some bonus over. That's the streets are saying. If you need to win a playoff series and you picks a bonus of Rudy Gobert, that tells me a lot. I'm picking Sabonis over Gobert if I have a 3V3 tournament.

All day, every day. It's not even close. Sadly, the NBA, it's 55. If I need to win the All-Star Skills competition, I'm rocking with Sabonis easily. Facts. I agree. Damn, you know what these two both have in common-eyed look at him?

They're both Draymond Green victims. Tragic. I just like that, him. I guess our class action suit against Ramon Green. Yeah, I might pick the bonus. I might pick the bonus, though, to be honest with you,

because he's more durable because he got his whole chest stomped out and Riego Bear almost passed out from getting put in the chuckold. My picks a bonus. That's hilarious. All right, next one. Katie Cunningham

was the wrong pick for the Pistons in 2021. Who should they have picked? You tell me. If that's, well, listen, if you think this, I need to know who you think the piston should have taken because Cape Cunningham was the obvious number one overall pick in that draft and they did the right thing taking them. Now, everything else that they've done after they've taken them, listen, I can't really

speak on that, right? It's not really good. But this was a good move. Yeah. Listen, this is a W. You ask a Rockets fan, Sangoon's the best player in that draft. Yeah, but they're Rockets fans. They haven't seen good basketball since Hardin had a, like, a full-blown Mohawk, bro.

They're the trenches. They got mud in their eyes right now. This was a great pick for them. There was no one else to go ahead and select all, like. Oh, Scotty Barnes. Scotty Barnes was there, but at that point in time, I think, I still think Cade is, ah, actually, I don't know if I can say that on my chest now. Holy fuck, that's a whole new record.

Scott is an All-Star looking back. Was it wrong? Benefit of hindsight. Would Scottie be an All-Star if he was in Detroit, though? No, he wouldn't. Nobody would be an All-Star if they were in Detroit. He's in Toronto. They are also down bad.

They're not as a bad as Detroit. They make no NBA history, bro. They play with quality players, and Masaii Jiri has them walk in and out of that organization and arena with the respect for the game of ball. Exactly. Listen, the Raptors did not get disowned by Wingstop. No, he doesn't, bro.

Damn. Yeah, I mean, looking back, if you redraft today, Scotty's the better player, but I still have faith Kate could be better long term. I'm not selling any Kate stock yet. Yeah, I agree. Troy, Troy Weaver, this is the first and only W that he has on his resume. I'll take. I believe that's the last one. So next that, what we got next? Uh, I think. Okay, next thing we're going to do, I'm going to sign my, I'm going to sign my, myself love to get yelled at by the TikTok comments. Oh my goodness. What I'm going to do is I'm going to I'm going to read you guys my top 10 players in the NBA list. You know, we have we did our top 10 players like a couple months ago. I changed our mind very quickly. Soon after that, a lot of things change and I regretted

how I did my top 10. So I'm going to tell you guys my new current up to date top 10 players and you guys are going to react to it and let me know what you think as I go. I respect your bravery. This dude has jdub at number five. I already know. I know when me might be top 10 actually. this is going to be real nasty. So yeah, listen, honestly, this is brave as fuck. Breaking anything on TikTok is asking to get roasted

because people just want to see their favorite player propelled the number one. So I'm going to get torn to fucking shreds, but we do it for content. Anthony Davis is about to be seven on this list. All right, so here we go.

These are my current top 10 players in the NBA. I'll start from 10. At number 10, it's between Anthony Davis and Devin Booker. You could lead Anthony Davis given the two-way impact. But I'm going to go Devin Booker because I think he makes players around him better offensively

in a way that's really impactful. Okay. Sealing is how we do with a Devin-Booker-led team compared to Anthony Davis-led team. It's just natural. Exactly. It's somebody who can be one option versus the best two option in the league. I don't feel good about it, but I'll give Devin Booker the small nod. That's fair.

I respect the ball. Okay. Starting off team. I like it. At 8 and 9, I'm going to go LeBron and Kevin Durant. I'm going to put the old man next to each other, but I'm going to give LeBron one spot higher. There we all I was about to say, you believe Cape Horn. he's better than LeBron right now.

Go to hell! But never mind. I like where you're going right now. I still feel weird putting LeBron this low because I know in a playoff setting. He's probably closer to the top five of who I want. But, you know, he can't do it for an extended period of time anymore. Okay.

Okay. Okay. You're not giving me know that yet. At seven, Jason Tatum. Is that fair? I would have gone to get him number six. But, okay. At six, Steph Curry.

Okay, that Tatum pick makes sense Steph outside the top five I don't love to hear it I fucking hate to hear it But at five I'm going shake goes out of I knew this was coming Oh my goodness This is the hardest part for me

I don't feel good about it at all Because I think Steph is going to prove me wrong And his team is putting him in a terrible position succeed so he looks worse It looks like he's regressed a little bit this year His shooting has been really bad The second half of the year Again his job is hard

She's going to be first team all NBA for two years in a row I think he deserves it man you put curry on that okay c team he is putting up like a smooth 34 35 they win the finals this team is completely i know but i think i think shay's earned top five status but i don't feel good about it because curry makes people around him better still okay okay that's tough the top of the day's defense is great so i won't scream at you for that yeah the defense is big difference listen i know listen if you're number four is not who i think it is i'm yelling at you My number four is Joel Embed

Okay, good Good I think that one's fair We can all agree Top four are set in stone Undisputed Three I have Luca Donchich

Ah Wow Wow Stand on it Boom At number two I got Yannis And one I got Yokic Listen you want to put

Luca top two I understand you I don't feel bad about it at all Janus is having also a ridiculous season While still being a way better defender Do not sleep on Janus

Because the MVP voter fatigue Makes you forget about him he is unstoppable on both sides of the ball I agree with that but you also do you also cannot sleep on 34 10 and 9 on 38% shooting from the 3 point line on 10 to 10s per game I agree with it

I'm not exactly sleeping on it making them the third best player in the NBA no no you're you're hibernating wake up it's not terrible overall you're glazing you just want the top two players to be white you want NBA white supremacy this is supposed to be your agenda pushing time

Isaac Don't push your ideals on me My idea I'm not mad at you putting Yogic at I'm not mad at either Janus or Luca being number two But I think Janus deserves it We all want to quickly crown the new guy on the block But Janice is still Janus

That's fair Yonis is putting up historic numbers this year And literally no one cares It's me I'm nobody I don't care a lot This shit means none to me If nobody wants to support Yonis and nobody wants to appreciate greatness, I will remind y'all he is one of the best players of all time.

We're still witnessing a top 20, top 15 peak. Let's not forget about it. Let's see the playoffs. Now we're pulling a playoff card where Yonis Antenacombo. This is a solid list. You've seen it so many times. Fuck out of here. So many?

Plenty of times. Yonis rises to the occasion. Plenty? Plenty. Oh. I don't know All right We got one more

TikTok before we get out of here This should be funny I want you guys to tell me Who is this NBA player's biggest rival It's a variety of players That NBA history When you think of their name Who do you think of on the opposite end

of that spectrum As being the guy that stands in their way Their biggest rival Their biggest enemy Their op Whatever you want to call it Biggest off Let's do it

First off LeBron James It's Steph Curry It's Kevin Durant He beats Kevin DeRey's always been on his number two And he hates it But it's the fucking truth, bro

It's definitely Steph It's Steph Curry Steph Curry is the only one And obviously Kevin Durant was there For two of those rings But Steph Curry can look across At LeBron and be like We have the same amount of chips

And I beat you for all of them So Yeah, they're rivals Yeah. He didn't beat it for 2022, but yeah. I agree with it. Honestly, LeBron and Curry should have been

like the greatest rivalry of all time. This should have been our modern day Magic and Bird. Thanks Kevin Durant. Come in and fucking ruin it. I respect Kevin Durant. I'm okay with him making a decision he made, but I'll never fucking forgive him

for ruining this rivalry. I'm not going to lie. Another good candidate is Dan Gilbert. Fucking ruined his case to be the goat in my mind or the undisputed goat. He should be that. He is.

to me, but because he was working around just a lot of Costco members and all that, like, he couldn't do much, he couldn't do much. Planet Fitness employees in 2007? Yeah, exactly. No disrespect to Mo Williams. Pure Hupert. Big Cee. You just called him a Costco employee.

It's all the disrespect to Mo Williams. What I'm talking about? All right. Next up, Tim Duncan. All right. It's his biggest enemy. He has none of it. Not a single ounce.

That's what fucks him over, bro. If he was cool, he would be in goat conversation. His biggest enemies is his lack of appeal to casual fans. He is the anti-ora man. It gets no worse than that, bro. That's crazy. Is it LeBron James? Play him in three finals.

Could it be LeBron? I don't know. He's 2-1. Is it him? Is a Shaq? Is it Kobe? He doesn't have enough war to really, like, go, I don't know. Tim didn't really care about the rival

Exactly exactly like He just respects greatness all around He says ball is how do you have a rival And also how do you have a rival When you just beat everybody's ass for 20 years In a very quiet respectful manner Yeah you know post on social media Just go ahead and I guess it's horror

And plays great defense Bank shot Bank shot mid range and he goes home showers Like he's a simple man Casual fans Are casual fans his rivals Honestly I think he gets a lot of respect these days though So maybe he's just kind of like him.

My narrative is working. I love it. All right. Next up. Luca Donchich. The Dallas Maverick's front office. Devin Booker too, sure.

I like that. No. The Clippers? See, it's kind of the same thing. He shows up and he just dominates the clippers every single time. I don't But the Clippers win

Luca versus the Clippers is very different where it doesn't matter who wins the game he's dropping 45 and we need to acknowledge that every single time Listen

But if you can't win the game How much does it matter That is true It doesn't matter in the sense And we've heard We've heard for years Kawai and PG Amazing

amazing you know Wing defenders Lucas like Oh what Who? No No not not you guys Not you guys

not you guys Zubbas sees him in his nightmares yeah so it's probably it's probably Devin Booker or the it's probably the Clippers but I can see Devin Booker just because it gets kind of gets kind of chippy let's say New Book I like that

okay fair enough next up Kobe Bean Bryant the Boston he can't be LeBron because he never fucking faced him in the finals I think it's I'm going with

with the Boston Celtics. Interesting. Listen, he played them in two finals, right? Yeah, he played them in two finals, lost one, one, one. He cared so much about beating the Celtics. He was playing bad. He was all up in his head. I have to do that.

It's either that or Shaq. I was going to say Shaq, too. You're missing the clear answer. It is Shaquille O'Neal. I've never seen a rivalry within teammates quite like this. It's not even close. They were such bitter rivals that they fumbled potentially one of the best dynast

because they could not motherfucking coexist. That's a new level of robbery. Shack, just to work hard. You could have five chips. If they were to stay together, they would have fucking seven chips, bro. Exactly.

And I'm blaming Shaq. It's not Kobe's fault. That's hilarious. All right. Next up. Draymond Green. Common sense. He is his own rival for sure.

His inner demons, the inner monologue, that's like swing. That's his biggest rival. Exactly. Yeah. No, real shit because he called Katie the B word back in 2017, 2018, which caused him to leave. You fumble the warriors out of three potentially more rings. Yeah, it might be him, bro. It might be him. He won the best team of all time. Dremont looks in the mirror and he sees NBA young boy. That's his biggest rival. Is that reflection? What was he up to in therapy? He probably was doing that shit over Zoom.

Not a damn thing. Nothing. He's out of Better help. I had those fake-ass therapists. Better help. Oh, my God. That's hilarious. You got a podcast to get a month free.

Oh, yeah. All right, next player. Jason Tatum. Jalen Brown, winning the finals. Late game shots. I don't know. it's does he even have a rival does anybody look at Jason Tatum and be like nah he's he got me that one time

he doesn't Jimmy Butler they play each other a lot he doesn't feel but there's no real static there though I don't know Jimmy Bullitt got him out of here last year I'm pretty pretty dramatic fashion Jimmy sees that as a robbery I don't know Tatum looks at it and it's like yeah it's a robbery Jimmy sees everybody as a robbery exactly that's my point I don't know if Tatum has a rival. Man, he's an Rival talent.

MVP conversations? Narratives, that might be his biggest rival. Yeah, there you go. All right, next player. We have, I guess the last one. But we didn't put it on here. I had another name on a list. I didn't get put on there.

Jimmy Butler. Normal hairstyles. Normal hairstyle. he just can't he just can't go to the barbershop and get a fade like can you just get a taper fade please can you can you do that you're showing up to media day all these crazy all these crazy wigs all this stuff my man get it too low taper that's all you need it's all you need well I think his biggest rival just might be October to April he doesn't give a fuck about those money bro. All those months in between doesn't give a fuck, bro. That's his rival.

Actually, no, being serious, actually, his biggest rival might be the Minnesota Timberwell still because there was real static there whenever he plays there. Or my beat, the Philadelphia and Tobias Harris. Tobias Harris. Yeah. Tobias Harris. Tobias Harris. Tobias Harris. Yeah. Jimmy Butler's biggest rival was whoever he sees in his eye line at any given moment. The boys didn't go to the sandwich shop and his biggest rival is the guy behind the desk who isn't willing to give the sandwich for free. Anywhere he goes, he will make a rivalry out of it. He's competitive as fuck when it comes to anything, bro.

Yeah, he could have a rivalry with the fucking broom. It doesn't even matter. He'll find a way to become competitive. It's hilarious. This dude is insane. All right, man. That's the last second we had. That is the end of the show.

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