The Deep 3 Podcast - We Graded Every NBA Team's Young Core | Ep. 70

Episode Date: January 5, 2024

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All right, so listen, so has Shay's aura put him into the top five? Are we ready to make that? Off the aura. Now that's 30 points per game. Not the elite efficiency is the aura. It always comes back to that. It always comes back to the aura. I feel like that's his foundational skill.

Yeah. It's his elite skill they has over everybody. He's just the coolest guy in the NBA. And off that alone, he's probably top five. I've been saying he was top five for a minute. But I wasn't talking about the aura. But hey, if you know me, I am all about that aura. No.

Listen, we know, listen, when it comes to Shay, we know you famously put the shundies on your face. Okay, relax. No one knows that. Everybody knows that shit is on wax. Everybody knows this. 100,000 people saw that. 4K. Oh, my God.

Welcome to episode 70. As you hear by Donovan's intro, we're going to talk about Shade Goodellus Alexander today at length, especially because the main topic of the episode, as you guys saw, is we're going to grade every team. Don't pause me on that, by the way. I see you guys giggling. No, we're going to go. The main topic today is we're going to grade every NBA team's young core. Obviously, there's some teams that don't really have a young core that we're going to gloss over. But every other team we're going to go through and kind of check in on where they're stable of young players are at.

But before that, before we get to that main thing, a couple of teams we're going to talk about because I've been in the news recently. Like I said, Shane the Thunder are one of them. Also, we've got to talk about the Lakers, bro. Let's do it. Let's do it. Because I've been waiting on this. It's I've been waiting on this. Because I had my victory lap after the end-season tournament.

It is going to be a phone conversation. No longer. No. I love it. I love it. Because, listen, again, because like Isaac came in here and was telling us after they won the end-season tournament, oh my God, this team, they're going to, they're going to do it. Like, they're probably better than we thought if they lock in, it's probably just going

to be them and the Nuggets. I didn't say that. He said that they were the second coming of Showtime. right that's oh my god and now they just listen we're going to talk about the thunder winning games the lakers continue to lose games at a very very fast rate and i love it and it is fantastic i don't you're watching on youtube drop a like and subscribe run this up for us for audio platforms leave us five stars leave us a review follow us on all socials yeah man let's talk about the lakers God.

I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters, rejoice. Look at this in-season tournament banner. The most Mickey Mouse banner completely invalidated the tournament, not even two months after it happened. Okay, relax. What a fake chip. He's just getting off his hate right now. What a meaningless stretch of basketball games.

So. Like we said, they won the season tournament with the four seed, we're looking great. He came up here and said, they're putting it together at the right time, we see what LeBron can do in big games. He was dominating, made Zion Williamson look silly. And they proceeded to go three and eight over the next 11 games.

It's been horrible. A lot of people have been saying for like the past year and a half that they hate D'Arpenham. You know, every team blames their coach for all their issues. And I've kind of been on the side of like he was really good in the playoffs, let's relax. It's not all on him.

I changed my fucking mind. They've convinced me he's been horrible this year, He's been legitimately awful. It's crazy. Okay. So for non-Lakers fans like myself who don't necessarily pay attention to rotations and minutes

and all that necessarily all the time, what specifically makes Darwin Am awful? I see the meme of him just keeping his hands in his pockets the entire time, which is absolutely hilarious. But that could mean a lot of things. Break it down from him. That doesn't mean shit.

He just likes to keep his hands warm. I don't care about that. But that's a common joke is that people say that because he doesn't do anything they feel like. They feel like he doesn't like, I don't know. Like you said, a lot of NBA fans don't really knows what goes into coaching. They kind of just pick on their coach regardless.

But I think last year in the playoffs, he was legitimately a great coach. He out-coached Taylor Jenkins, out-coach Steve Kerr, coach circles around them, and just destroyed their offense by deploying Anthony Davis in creative ways. So I was always defending him. But this year, man, coming into the season, the Lakers were known to be built off of, what's the word, chemistry, or what's the call when you had the same players as last year? Continuity.

Continuity. There go. That's the word I'm searching for. Continuities what the team preached. SAT word. There you go. I don't know why you lost my mind. That's what we talked about the Lakers.

Like, oh, they got this team that they built the deadline, another year of that. They made the conference finals. Let's build on top of that. But coming into this year, that continuity's out the door because this man hates Austin Reeves, bench him early in the season to separate him and Dilo in the starting lineup, which was fine. But then later on in the season, he benched Dilo and didn't start Austin Reeves again. And now they're starting LeBron with three wings and Anthony Davis. basically starting four power forwards

with the Bronnet point guard going full defense and continuing to not play the third best player so all the chemistry they built off of last year with Austin Reeves taking a big leap

is out the door no more continuity and this team just has zero identity and it just makes you think like what was even to be gained after that run last year if you throw all that out the window yeah now when it comes to

benching Austin Reeves I don't want to say I agree with that move because he's been a completely different player since he's been benched but now benching Delo on top of that after we all know the deal to be a just wildly inconsistent player

ever since he came. He left Brooklyn. That just been the name of his career so far. But benching Delo and just having guys like Tori and Prince, who's a good shooter, but no one's ever going to say he's one of the best shooters or a serious threat or a sniper. Starting along, starting Cam Reddish alongside him too, who's been known his entire NBA career. And also college career has been wildly inconsistent. And then having Jared Vanderbilt and AD play next to each other too, like it just seems like a really, really wonky fit.

And I can just tell that there's this constant scrambling and there's, right, you hit it on the money. There's no identity. If you tell me what the sake your team is good at, what is their one, two, three punch, what's their go-to combo? Other than defense, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. Well, their defense isn't even that great anymore. It's really falling off. I'm actually seeing right now, so we start recording this right when the Miami versus Lakers game started on Wednesday.

Right now, Austin Reeves is starting, actually, because I think Ruey's out this game, he got hurt. Actually, no, mind. They bench Jared Vanderbilt. Thank God. So maybe I'm speaking too soon. Maybe tonight we're seeing the correction of that. Because I know the last episode we talked about it, and I was talking about how Jared

Vanderbilt just can't play with Anthony Davis. It's not going to work with Jared Vannebo's lack of shooting. Apparently, Mr. Hands and Pockets Man agrees because tonight they're starting Austin Reeves, Torium Prince, Cam Reddish, LeBron, and Anthony Davis. So maybe our prayers are being answered, and maybe they're going to come out looking better. Regardless of the fact. If this is the case, though, right, moving forward, what are you going to do with Jared Vanderbilt? Because if, like, if the rest of the roster construction relies on having LeBron, Austin Reeves, and Anthony Davis out there, and if you put Vanderbilt out on the floor, right?

I was, I was somebody who thought that their defense was going to be able to be good enough to kind of, you know, drive them through the playoffs. How do you feel about Vanderbilt's spot on this team? Obviously, like, it's just shaky now because if he legitimately isn't playable with everybody else that they have, what's next for the Lakers? I think he has to be used as a backup for. He can't play big minutes, obviously. That goes up being said. I think he has to play a lot of minutes with Christian Wood, who can space the floor a little bit. And yeah, you just got to use him as a backup four that can essentially play the minutes.

AD isn't there and occasionally play spot minutes next 80, but it can't be done in a large portion at all. which like you said defense was supposed to propel them and make them a contender I don't see what whether an elite defense without Jared Vanderbilt so I think that puts into question the entire point of their team right like they have to really change some shit up and I don't know if I see a championship ceiling if they can't get a great defense because their offense is terrible it's just not a good offensive team and I don't really see that changing with the personnel on this team unless make a huge move to get a Zach Levine to get a whoever else is that ilk you know what I mean and that's what

I was just going to say maybe it's time that you Isaac open your heart open your arms up to someone like a Zach Levine again I'm open bro dang are you open enough for someone like a Dejante Murray fuck no

that would be terrible that would be awful that'd be awful that's just like he's a very different player he can shoot a little bit he's not Russell Westbrook but he's closer to Russell Westbrook

than he is to Zach Levine in terms of fit next to LeBron AD like he can shoot he can spot up but he's not like a spacing shooter he's not coming off of screens he's not going to be someone that's really respected and really scratches the defense like he needs that's not his bag yeah I agree that's a troll

yeah but you say that but a lot of people really like that including some Lakers fans really want that to happen just because like they see great guard defense they see they're down bad what do you think they yeah they're down horrible but like I think the reason it's not working next to Tray Young is because Dejante needs the ball in his hands to thrive and you put him next to somebody else make him a shooting guard

and you really minimize what makes him great and make the fit weird that would be even worse next to LeBron James Yeah. Honestly, it sounds like you guys need something to happen and work badly with Zach Levine. He's already said before in the past, like you would love to play in not only LA, but also play next to a player like LeBron James. I believe he said that. I said that along All-Star weekend a couple of years ago. But besides the point, if you are going to do something make a play for Zach Levine, who do you guys think should be on the table for the Lakers? That's hard. It's really Yeah Delo and Rudy It's really everybody

Listen everybody outside of LeBron and AD You guys You guys can go You can go somewhere else That's really how Yeah that's how I feel about Any move for the Lakers Is that we

That is the core three Everybody else is kind of replaceable Because like Isaac has been saying The identity of this team Is in serious jeopardy Because what you thought You were going to You know lean your hat on

Going into the offseason That is no longer a viable path for you to get a championship so yeah we we're going to shake it up right something's going to happen one of you guys is going to be moving into a new apartment in the next two months so new apartment so you got to figure out craigslist they're going to be on apartments a hundred percent on zillow yep call you're right don't book plans for all-star weekend you're probably going to get traded around that time that's what's going to happen the liggers are currently down 20 to nine so that starting lineup is getting around the floor so

far. So we'll see by the end of the game. Like I guess we can't talk too in depth about this issue since in real time it might be changing. But the fact that it took so long is frustrating. Like the kill is just we pull up on the screen right now that says when filtering out lineups that have played 150 plus possessions, the Lakers have a lineup of Delo, Max Christi, Tori and Prince, LeBron and AD. And it's the 10th best lineup in the entire NBA. Now these small sample size lineup data can be fluky like it's probably not that many possessions. It's probably just over 150 but I think it's been clear that this is the type of line that should be playing not this four wings and LeBron bullshit so the fact that we wasted like seven straight

games trying to make that work or that a combination different lines but you know not playing Austin or Dealo together in the starting line about playing either one of them the fact that so many games are wasted and so much just ground is lost in the standings it's ridiculous yeah exactly man listen another team relying on Cambrittish that's tough if you're sorry for you I feel your pain, brother. I went through the exact same thing, like four years ago. I thought he was the one. I never thought that shit.

I mean, great. He's had a good defensive season, good for him. The offense is so inconsistent that it's hard to... He has to be your worst offensive player in that lineup. And if he's out there with Jared Vanderbilt, he's not the worst officer player, which is very scary. That's the best way to put it. Can you pull up Jerry Vanderbilt stats for me to kill on Stap Muse?

Let's see those. Because earlier in the season, he was averaging one point per game. I think he might have doubled that. I think so. He's on the up and up. Got to two. Yep. Just barely, though.

If he stays on this pace, maybe we can get to four. Double that, get to eight, right? He's feeling dangerous. Two point six points per game. Four point one rebounds. Point eight assists. 37% true shooting percentage. Woke up feeling dangerous.

How is that possible? Fuck if I know. Wow, wow, wow. And it's funny because before he averaged like eight. So like the falloff isn't like it's six points per game. Look. With the last five games, the last five games. He's averaging 5.4 points for game.

That's the Dublin that we're talking about, right? That's the exponential growth that we need from Jared Vanderbilt. Again, we can get this to 8.2, 9.7 maybe? We're cooking. Okay, 9.7, now we're talking for real. That's a real player. That's exponential growth. That's exponential growth.

Man. Absolutely. Do you guys have any faith anymore that this team can make a serious playoff push? like right now they're playing team and last year you know they were a play in team that did well in the playoffs made to the western conference finals and we thought building off of that you know the fact they could win them that many playoffs series in a row we thought maybe that makes them like oh you know top five or six seed going into the next year maybe that's who they are again maybe they're also this year a playing team that can potentially make a run

do you have any faith that they can be higher than a playing team at this point a little bit a a little bit it's going to depend on a matchup like so if they get into the play and playoffs via the play in and they're the seven or eight team. Let's say that they're the eight seed because the one scenario where I have a little bit of faith in them to make a run is if they get matched up against the Timberwolves because their offense is not some crazy juggernaut like the like the Nuggets, like the thunder. And so if you get into a series where, hey, both of these offenses are made and we're just going to play defense, then maybe that's a way that Vanderbilt can be on the floor and

affect the game in a positive way. Right. Like if that happens, right? If that happens, we'll see how cat performs in a playoff setting again, right? If everything falls their way, I wouldn't be shocked if we come out of the first round and it's Lakers, Minnesota, and the Lakers end up winning in seven, right? Like, that's probably the path for them to get to the second round at this point. Yeah.

I like that. Minnesota is dangerous too. Like, I know. That's their best matchup, but it's not a good one. Like, I don't know if the Lakers will be favored. Well, they probably would because there's a lot of money. behind LeBron so like maybe they would but I don't know if they should be yeah I don't know to be honest with you I feel like at this point of the season we're almost halfway into the season

mark where like 30 30 34 or five games into the season or whatever yeah and at this point I think it's I don't want to say it's too late to build an identity because we already saw the Lakers transformed their season a year ago midseason after the whole rust overhaul thing and I think it's about time that they try to do the same thing, do some rekindling. And unless they do that and trade for someone like Zach Levine, because their offices are so deep in the mud, I don't know how, I don't envision a world in where they get anywhere above like the seventh seat. And I think the ASE is the best, real, is the most real scenario for them. Last time I checked, there were 23rd in offense. That's with LeBron playing all but one or two games, with AD playing

all but one or two games. That's been the main talking about is like, how do you squander AD playing some of the best basketball of his life and a healthy LeBron still playing at a top 10, top seven level? That's ridiculous to be 17 and 17 with those two guys healthy. The only thing that screams to me is utilization of the players around them. Because if everybody came into the year, thinking these were an interesting group of role players

that could put something together, well, maybe a lot of those role players overrated, like Rui had a crazy shooting season in the postseason. Maybe Austin Reeves started slow. People thought he'd make a bigger jump than he really is. Delos still has some clout bias, whatever. Maybe the players are overrated to some extent. But not this bad, right?

Like, they should be better than this. So that just screams to me if they're being utilized in all the wrong ways. Yeah. That's a great analysis of that too. And with that being said, I think it's time. I don't think the Lakers should go ahead and necessarily fire someone like Darvinham. I think that you've already done.

He should be on Fodd Watch for sure. 100%. This season doesn't turn around and they end up being 40 and 30, 42 or something like that then he probably shouldn't be the head coach of this team. Oh, he'd get fired for sure. Because it's inexcusable inexcusable at that point. So for sure. His job definitely hangs

on the balance of how the season ends and how they recuperate over the second half of the season. Because like I said, he has some goodwill from what he did in the playoffs. But, you know, everybody's under microscope all the time in the Lakers organization. Just have that level. They can't pull up a hilarious tweet. I don't know. I guess it's said to make too much light of it.

Okay. Just keep moving. All right, man, but yeah, Lakers are fucked. We'll see, listen, a few weeks ago they had a very high stretch where we saw the best version, now we've seen the worst. To TBD, which versions of them is the real version, but my hope is getting smaller and smaller as a weeks go on unless they make a big trade.

Let's talk about a more positive team, the Oklahoma City Thunder. Let's talk about it. Did you guys have to watch the game versus Boston yesterday? Yeah, I watched towards the fourth. and watched it after the street. I just watched the fourth. Dude, great game.

Obviously, one of the more hyped of games of the year. People have been talking about it nonstop because OKC has been a very hot stretch lately. They're currently eight and two in the last 10, rising up the standings. Only one game behind the Timberwell is now for the one seed. There's obviously been a lot of narrative talk about Chad Holngren, potentially being an All-Star.

He's currently second in DPOI odds. He's absolutely him right now. And Jaylon Williams is also making that clear superstar leap. he had 36 the other night I think against the Timberwolves and those two combined have been all over the headlines but even more so than that

the Shay Gildis Alexander hype is through the roof he's currently been talked about as making that leap to being in the conversation for top five player in the league Bill Simmons won in his podcast the biggest Celtics Homer in the world

famously Celtics Homer and he said that he thinks Shegildos Alexander has patched Jason Tatum as a top five player and he knows ball he does not know ball he does not but in this case he might be right how do y'all feel about this topic i've been saying this since we had episode 68 in person

in our top 30 i'm like you know what i've seen enough i'm ready to crown she as one of the five best basketball players in the entire world because he's made leaps and he's gained my trust as a fan in terms of game on the line and can you take my team over the mountop and over the hump through whatever the team needs, bend your game, mold your game in a certain way to help take my team over the top. He's done that.

And I haven't seen someone like Jason Tatum do that. Dave seems a great player that has nothing to do with Jason Tatum being bad whatsoever. It's just about sheer greatness and how much he's able to elevate. This guy. Listen, I love shit. And right now, outside of Curry,

she is my favorite player in the lead. I think we need to relax though. like and not necessarily relax but slow down we have gotten into a habit and i'm at fault of this as well right i did the same thing with tyrese halliburton like three weeks ago i was like tyrese is easily right a top three point guard and now two weeks removed you're like okay you know we actually start having debates about who's such and such this and that i think that shea is fantastic I think that he is going to live up to whatever expectations that you have of him in the playoffs and moving forward for the rest of the season, all that.

I think he's an MVP candidate 100%. Let's just relax, though, because top five, top five would mean if we just go right now, Yokic, Yonis, Nuka, Curry, and then according to you guys, M.B. and if you guys are willing to say that he's better than who on that list to make him top five no i don't i don't necessarily go there either but i agree it's a little too fast but it's understandable i mean it's debatable right like people are going to say curry probably that's the most popular pick is saying that luca and she both passed him up because he's having a down year statistically i i wouldn't agree i'm going to wait and give curry some benefit for the doubt too

i'm not going to hold his team performance against him too much but it's not crazy i think at this point Like you said, he's a legit MVP candidate, right? Yeah. And it's too soon to say he's definitively a top five player. But if you think he's an MVP candidate, I mean, he's like, you know, he's been one to three or four best players in the league this year. It wouldn't be crazy if he has a good playoff showing and, like,

proves to be top five. People are just trying to be early on it, which I respect. I feel the same way about like Luca and Embedde. So I get it. But it's like definitively, easily top 10, pushing closer top five. I don't think it's, it's hard to make a hyperbole that I think is crazy. I'll say that at this point.

so yeah the the hyperbole we have to be that he's the best in the world yeah like then it's like shut the fuck out come on yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah now that's different so i was looking at my top 30 list i had shay at number six and at tatum at number eight i think and that was just to make a statement about the leap and the growth that he's made as the franchise player there's like levels and there's tears to it and he's reached this final level of just like okay no i i know i feel like can do this now I just need to see it in the most important time yeah of the game that we play that's it and once he once he does that then I feel like everyone else will probably help on the train I think six is fair honestly like very quickly after we do rankings I very much want to change

things like I already said last week that I think uh Luca is better than Curry now I change a mind on that and I want to put Luca I'd say like Luca is at by the season could be pushing for the best player in the league talks so like I would have put Luca above step at four I'm not mad at putting Shay as high six. I think that's totally reasonable. It's comparing him to like a LeBron and KD or hard, you know, their elder statesman at this point

and like we know what they can do in the right setting in the playoffs. So it's like experience versus hot right now. I don't know. It's hard to gauge. But it's not crazy at all to say Shay's better in LeBron at this point. Like it's not ridiculous whatsoever.

That's a wild statement. It's not, it's not wild to hear, but it's not a wild statement. Yeah. Yeah, but it's not a wild statement. For the Thunder, though, I think one, fantastic win. Like, they were, the score is closer than what the game actually was, right? Boston made a late run to cut it down.

I think for, on the Celtic side, there's one thing that you can hang your hat on, or I guess two things that you can hang your hat on for them going forward. It's one, Tadon played really, really good defense in the fourth quarter on, on Shea. And then two, Jaylen Brown was four of 18, and you're just not going to get four of 18. every single night from Jalen Brown. So if you run this back in a series, you expect, right, Jaylen Brown to step up

and be a little bit better. For the Thunder, we keep talking about them making a trade. And I've been thinking all day, what if they just don't? Exactly. Right?

Like, what if they just don't make a move and everything is fine? Like, I think we have gotten into this, like, once you start seeing like a good young team climate, it's like, okay, you got to add the next piece, right, really solidify it. What if they're just,

them. What if they're just like, right? They could just end up as the one seed as is and walk into the playoffs and do, do whatever. Like, they, they are that talented to do that. I've seen a lot of discourse about this. Obviously, we've also been like, if they can find a lot of, get a lot of marketing, OG and Nobi type trait, they should do it. And I've seen a lot of people today, similar sentiment that like, maybe they don't need to. Maybe they can just get a bench, bench player with a few assets or just be who they are and be going to win. I've seen a lot of people be like very like pretentious about it and be like y'all love to be trade machine fake gms always wanted to push for a trade maybe they don't need to and like duh they don't need to

they're great but i do think that it's not that's very reductive because the whole point is saying they should make this all-in move isn't because they need to if they want to be great it's the fact that they have a window where they have flexibility to be able to make the all-in move and go from like good-unton championship to like if a lot of marketing's available and they could get him who's on a very team-friendly deal they wouldn't be able to keep them long term because they're going to have to pay Jalen, SGA, and Chet max money each. They're all going to be stars. So that's the argument against making it all the move for a star is like, you know, money wise, it's going to become tricky. But the whole point of why people like us say that you should get a liar marketing if you

can is because that's an opportunity to have like two years of like by far the best team in a league. So yeah, they don't have to make a move, but they have a unique position with young players that haven't been paid yet, with crazy assets, with small flexibility right now for the next few years before the money kicks in to be like unfuck withable so that's why i think it's like not as black and white it's like they don't need to make a trade they're already good enough yeah and when it comes to this i was more so on the side of let's see what you guys have as the season goes on and see if some like uh josh giddy for instance can pick his stuff up together and he's again like we said donovan like he had a good game he was on fire from the three

point line last night but again that's josh getting we have to realize who he is as a player then on top of that he has other off the court stuff issues too that have been pending and so without that being said if i am some like san presti i see i think it'll be worthwhile for you to see the value except what you have and make the leap make the move for someone like a larry market and if he's if that move is like still available on the table um but honestly So whenever we think about OKC, everyone always raves about Shay, blah, blah, blah, blah. We understand it. The pigs, blah, blah, blah, and Chet probably there's a chance that this rookie can be an all-star.

But someone, again, like you mentioned his name earlier, Isaac, who gets swept under the rug is Jalen Williams, J-dub. He's incredible. This random rookie from Santa Clara drafted in 2022, he is an absolute monster. He was on nobody's radars on draft day whatsoever. people were shocked that he was drafted that high everybody was like who who who and they drafted two of these dudes with the same name what's going on and to see him take this leap i was uh second year has shocked me before the season even started isaac you said that this dude has a potential to be a star uh all star and i was like ah i want to go that far you could probably be friends

i don't want to put too much expectations on him but right now he's pacing as that at that very quickly he's improved his outside shot tremendously his bags got in deeper of course it's always been there actually and he's just playing a different type of basketball that helps bring okayc together and whenever shea loses the shit loses minor just needs to pace himself a little bit more j dub is right there no he's fucking and he's the perfect he's a perfect robin or whatever you want to call him yeah 18 points four assists on 62% true shooting which is about 4% higher than league average

right now like pushing 5% higher great numbers I think you say his outside shooting has gotten better correct he's shooting 40% from 3 but he's also shooting 47% for mid-range last time I checked and he's already a great room finisher with that build he has he's a crazy long wing span he's real stocky for someone his age

I don't see a world where he's not like at least as good as Jalen Brown I get like the floor he's gonna be that level of like all-star at least and I think there's a world where he can be even way better than that like he can push to being like top 20 player in the league one day maybe it'll be hard to happen with this team because there's so many you know there's only one ball to go around but he is a type of untapped potential that like I think I don't know about

like best player on the championship team level thing because you got to be like a top 10 player to do that but he can be like I don't know well I don't want I don't mean I can't talk we could say in ways I understand what you do I understand what you're saying in terms of just like importance to the team of what helps them go his scoring and his rem pressure is as important to what like Kyrie did for LeBron. It's a weird way to imagine this, but in terms of just like having someone be able to have that own drive and do their own thing and relieve all the pressure off of you, does so much. It's more, it's, it's huge for someone like saying.

And that's a type of, that's a type of pressure relief. He's like Advil, Tylenol for fucking Shane Luther Alexander. That's what he is. Yeah, man. And when you have Shay, him and Chet, who all have creation ability to be like one-on-one scores and have an advantage against almost everybody that's guarding them. That's just a recipe for amazing offense. All right. I got to ask you. We're doing all this all this bloviating about OKC. How serious are we taking this season, right? Are they, are they better? Would you or would you

take them in a playoff series against the Minnesota Timberwolves right now? I said I would several weeks ago and I was, you guys looked me like I was crazy. I think yes, I think it'll be close. And let me, it's not, I'm not to dismiss the Timberwolves because we've been very critical than that points of the podcast. They're great. I think it'll be an intense series, but I think there's a non-zero chance, a very good chance that OKC would win that series and would be the case on almost any team the league. I am still probably leaning towards the Timberwolves because I don't think it's a beautiful matchup just yet. But if they, if O'KC won, it wouldn't surprise me, I just think someone like Chet would have serious issues with having to do with Kat and Rudy

go bare and then you got Nas Reid come like there's just so many big bodies are all over the place I am not if I have Chet on my team Cat is not putting fear into my heart Chet is great defensively already Everyone always says like the biggest thing

That could come against them is like can they defend a Yokic Can they defend it in Bede Chet has not been dominated by these guys Obviously he can't defend them one-on-one Nobody can like it's ridiculous standards Can you stop him be one-on-one Nobody in the fucking world can But he holds up just fine against us

teams like they have not played the Nuggets poorly at all all all right well listen they beat the Timberwolves what does the series against the Denver Nuggets look like to you all right is it is it is it is it close is it competitive yeah yeah definitely very close you can't you can't discount either of those teams whatsoever yeah I'd probably still lean the Nuggets but it's definitely close like most of it yeah exactly it's especially in a playoff setting I don't want to we I think everyone should generally lean towards the Nuggets but In a playoff setting, I'm not sure how, like, Chet is the main X factor and determining factor to me. I already know what SGA is going to give me.

J. Dubb's game is unaffected by anything that you put in for a room. He's going through you regardless. It just depends on that seven foot one or seven two rookie down there and how well he can deal with Yokic. Clearly, you've seen nobody can do that shit. So you're asking to do something that no man on earth could do so. So, yeah. Yeah, I'm still going to lean locked in Nuggets. in the playoff series to beat anybody

and probably win the title again. But would I be shocked if the Dunder push them to seven, maybe one? Like, no, it's in the range of outcomes. I might, you say that you're very confident in you, Shea and Jalen and your biggest concern is Chet. Yeah.

My biggest concern would probably be Jalen, actually. I'm not expecting him to flop or anything, but I can see a world where he has like a Jalen Brown type series last year against the heat where he gets attacked. His handle isn't the strongest. He's a good ball handler, but like sometimes his handle's very loose

and high up to similar to Jalen Brown. I can see a world where the inexperienced thing hurts him the most and he really gets not exposed but humbled a little bit and has to like learn from that and become a more playoff-proof player like Shay is. I can see that happening against the right team, whether it's the nuggets, I don't know, depending on what type of like on-ball playmakers these teams have. I can see him being affected the most in the playoff series. Yeah, for sure. Also, it's also very funny because I feel like this happens all the time with us. As we're talking and just praising the thunder, they lost tonight to the Atlanta.

Hawks. Yeah. Woo! I could do worm right now this bitch. The next, listen,

three out of the next four games though. They're going to be right back on. And Jaylon Johnson posterized at homegram too. Yeah,

go ahead. Go ahead. Get it off. Get it off. Yeah. This is my NBA finals. But honestly, I think everybody,

I saw a bunch, I followed a bunch of Thunder fans for some reason and I saw a bunch of this morning were like, I can guarantee this is a loss. After last night's game

against the Celtics, no chance they show up on a back-to-back and win again. It was a schedule loss. I think everybody expecting them to lose this game. Yeah.

I saw that this morning because the line came out and it was the, it was Thunder minus one was the spread. And everyone was like, is this the trap line of the, of the year? Like, come on. So yeah. But it's very fun. Look, they have the, let me pull up the schedule. They have the nets, the wizards, the heat, and the blazers in their next four.

So they can easily hit off a quick, you know, four and no thing. And by the end of next week, they might be the ones. team. They might have that, which is, which is crazy. And I know that I was saying, we got to relax on Shay being top five. Guys, I think I kind of want to push the envelope with the thunder as a whole, though, because we're talking about the Nuggets. I'm, I'm like this close.

I'm like that close to saying that these guys are going to make the finals. Like, I, I, I think that, like, the shooting that they have around Shea and around and around jubb and like case and wallets is fantastic isaiah joe is amazing like they have they have guys at every position and if they can go and get a backup another like backup big right just just another just another body that they can throw at at other teams when they go when they go big i don't know why they couldn't make the finals like i i i'm really really falling in love with this team and what they're doing and like their chemistry and just how connected that everybody looks on a nightly basis right again right now i'm i would still pick the nuggets i'm this close yeah man we all talk

about a star trade maybe they just go get a race o'neill maybe they're like adoring phiney smith any of these like role players out there that can be the missing piece maybe they do that and it's they look crazy because my only concern you said they're shooting my only concern would be lewdort shooting 40% for the year uh jaylin williams are shooting 40% for the year and Josh Gidey is shooting 40% since December 1st. That is a recipe for negative regression in some ways. So there's just bound to be a stretch pretty soon where the shooting isn't as elite at all points.

We'll see how that looks come playoff time. But that's the one element that might not be there in like any given series. That's fair. That's fair. But again, you still have other guys. They can go seven deep with the amount of like shooting that they are probably going to need.

to win a playoff series and the fact that check can space the floor like all last night there was several times like Tatum is locking down Shay and she's just like all right I'm gonna just give it up

to Chet for three and he's knocking them in big time shots right near near the who's up look at this tweet that he'll pulled up they have 10 players

shooting 40% for three for the season that's what I'm saying okay yeah that's that's not gonna happen right that's not gonna happen in the in the playoffs

one of them is is gonna fall off but like Bertantz has been here before Isaiah Joe I trust in him that's my guy you I'm going to expect that that the stars are going to do that you don't you you don't need 10 10 people to shoot 40% 10's crazy 10 that's an hour just give me give me give me two or three off the of the bench maybe just two and we can we can do something no they're down there's there's some regression coming

for sure especially these are young players statistically every year in the playoffs those the players have regressed the most in the playoffs because that level of defensive intensity they've never seen before Rotons is not exactly the most consistent player in the world. Also not very relevant to the rotation, so whatever. But like this, that's the only point that could be concerning. Okay. So let's say OKC doesn't go ahead and make a move for a big swing star like Lari Marketing.

What other gap or hold do you feel like needs to be fulfilled on a role player standpoint? Would you rather lean towards a big, like you alluded to earlier, Donovan, or would you want an extra a guard in the mix. No, I think, not a guard. Yeah, not a guard. I think what Isaac said earlier was exactly right. You go out and you get yourself like a rangey wing, right? Get yourself adoring, Fendi Smith, somebody in that, in that like range who can, who can be versatile on the defensive end, can give you some length at the rim. Like that's, that's really what you need so that you're not running a lot, a lot of playoff minutes with the other Jalen Williams at at center or you're not too too small because when chet's not on the floor they do kind of revert

to the team that they were last year where they were still solid defensively right i think they ended the season as like the 13th defense in the league but you are small in that in that sense especially with shea jdub and giddy and door and you just have a lot of wings so some get a get a big body to to defend the room defend the paint and that's probably all you really need if you're not going to go get a another center somebody commented on the live somebody comments on a live for monday and said are isaic and to kill brothers oh my god that's bad it's hilarious profiling no also in terms of hilarious profiling people constantly get y'all's names mixed up in ticot comments yeah at that point it is at that point listen we were we were in austin right

shooting the live pod and when we were checking into the hotel the lady asked if me and mo were We're like brothers. We look nothing alike, not even close. We don't have, we're literally just black boys with beards. That's it, bro. That's a great. That's a good name for you guys is a duo. Black boys and beers.

Sounds like the title of a Joiling Lucas song. Let's move on to the thing this title, this podcast is episode. Whoa, I just said all the wrong words in the wrong word. Move on to the thing this podcast is titled after. We're going to grade every young core in the league. We spent 40 minutes talking about these two teams. Let's move on to the bread and butter. I think the thunder are natural transition here

because they're obviously the best young core in the league. Is that safe to say? That is more than safe to say, Brad. And on top of that, this upcoming NBA draft bro, they have potentially two lottery picks. I forget coming from who specifically. I hate myself for that too. but they have two potentially potential lottery picks coming in for that you don't know me man

i need to know my shit also also i know exactly the tweet that you're talking about they screenshot at a picture of tangathon.com so if you go on tankathong dot com you can see the draft picks right now so right now if everything ended up chalked with all like the the ping pong balls the thunder would have the 11th pick in the draft via the Utah jazz and they would have the 14th pick going to drive via the Houston Rockets. Nice. Love it. Anyway, so I think for young core, we should, um, quote, we should tell people what that

means exactly. We're counting every player, obviously relevant players, a lot of like, end of the bench guys that are young. Every relevant player that's 24 years old or younger. So 25 is your age out. So Jason Tatum, this year you're no longer on a young core. Sorry to break his year. He's not 19.

What the fuck? No, he's, you want. He's 25. So yeah, every 2400 is what we're going to qualify as. And we're going to grade them just based on. how talented we think they are how they've progressed so far how they're playing together

just in general where they stand against the rest of young cores in the league so what's that being said She Gildes-Oxander is 25 years old he's no longer

he's in this young core the Thunder have Ludo who's still 24 somehow Isaiah Joe Chad Holmgren Josh Giddy J-dub Kason Wallace

J-Loon Williams and Aaron Wiggins that's a lot of names that's the team that's that's the team mine is Shay like is that still an A-graded young core. Yeah, you could have stopped that chat in Jalen Williams and I would be like

hey, bro. Just those two alone is still crazy. The fact they have one of the best young in the league without Shay is insane. Yeah, exactly. And they have a bullet asses coming in too along with that. Like, they're easily the number one young core in the league. Okay. So we can breeze by them. We're talking about the under the length. Let's move on to the next team. I have a whole list here. It's not in any particular order. The Charlotte Hornets, Lamello Ball, Brandon Miller, and Mark Williams. Those are the important ones. There's some James Booknights in there, some other random people that will be their long term.

What a disappointment in James booknight is. But Lamello, Brandon Miller, Mark Williams. It's a more shallow core, but profiles is a great fit and great talent long term. What are we giving them? I think I would give them a B. I think, I think like Mark Williams is fantastic. Brandon Miller has been very underrated this year

for his performance. But, and listen, Lamello's great and he's an all-star caliber player. He just can't stay healthy. And so that's why, like, if he's not there and you just have the duo of Brandon Miller and Mark Williams, then it starts to get a little bit shaky. So I would, a B, probably. Yeah. I don't think a B is too crazy.

I would say if we were, I would inch towards like, I want to give them a B plus because these three could very well be your core three of a franchise. And as long as they're good enough to do that, then that, like, weren't the three faces. of your team, that I think you might deserve a B plus, to me honest, a B plus pushing A. But we can't give A just yet because we haven't seen Brandon Miller become a frame of also year. And that's only because he's a rookie. So, yeah, yeah, he's had a great year. Very underrated year.

I think Braden Miller's, I think there's a very realistic world that he becomes an all-star. I don't think that's nuts. I think he could be a very clear, complimentary wing to Lamello for a long time. I think I love that fit between those two. I don't have a strong sense for how I feel about Mark Williams yet. I think he's good. He's a great player. I see the potential he's going to be good for a long time. If he becomes really good, like I have more confidence in Jalen Duren than I do him right now. If I had the confidence to Mark Williams that I do in Jalen Duren, I think this would be a tier. But the fact of three guys that are really a part of the core, I can see it deserving

B for now. No, I can I can go ahead and reassure you. Mark Williams definitely deserves to be a part of the core. He is that good. Oh, for sure. I don't know. He doesn't. Yeah. And he for sure, like he solidified in my mind as his role in the NBA and what he will be over the next 10 years you know he's one of those run dunk jump guys who does all that stuff super long

he just bothers everybody shot yeah he bothers everyone with shot and all that so I also want to almost give them an A because it's funny I think they're gonna yeah but I don't want to

I don't think and I guess we should decide this before we go forward what do we like what's the classification for A because if the Oklahoma City Thunder and their young core is leading the team to potentially the one seat in the West. You're right. Well, they haven't a VP candidate too. That's not in the own course.

That's not exactly just the young core. She makes a big difference there. If you name the whole team, mine is Shea. Minus Shea is a big minus. That's still, though. Like, Chet, listen, Chet, J-Dubb, and Josh Getty alone. That trio is fantastic. once you throw in literally the rest of their

it's their entire rotation minus shay i understand like i'm not saying that they're like the greatest young core of all time but if the if the a version is yeah two guys that are probably like one guy who's probably going to be an all-star this year in his rookie season jay wu projected be another all-star and the jalen brown caliber player like do the hornets match up to that okay nobody's going to so they're not going to be the only team in a so keep in mind they're going to be the best to a like there's there's some wiggle room there though they don't got to be as good as the thunder someone else notable to add onto the charlorence ross or young core is nick smith junior he's getting a good amount of

opportunity as of late now i'm not going to say he's like all-star potential or anything like that crazy but regards to the fact still he's his name deserves to be mentioned because he's been producing pretty well and he's been doing just what's neat what he's been doing what's asked to be done as of now so yeah I think PJ Washington is still 24 as well. He's 25, you're good. Okay, no, my, this thing Nikiel pulled up is outdated. Can you pull up the ESPN roster, it's not stat muse?

But, yeah, listen, Nick Smith is very young. Listen, J.T. Thor is under 25? Does that move you? Hell not. But I've got some more young players. They've got Bryce McAwans, a lot of other young guys that are very young still that haven't had a chance to really solidify themselves. I think B's fine.

I think we can move on in the next year. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think B's a fair range. Next team. Detroit Pistons. They're so tricky, bro. Complicated one because they're the worst team of the league and one of the worst teams in NBA history,

but they got some young talent. They don't deserve to be one of the worst teams in the league or in NBA history because collectively, their ass, of course, but individually, these players are nice. Kind of. I don't know. I mean, they can't include.

Not that nice. We haven't seen a lot from, from their young court to make me think like, oh yeah, these guys are going to be, you know, all-star type of guys. Like,

everybody has flashes. I just, I can't get out of my head that you lost 28 straight games. Like, that's just, that's just wild. That's,

that's ridiculous. I, there's no, there's no world, in my opinion, that we could give them anything higher than the sea. I think that's the ceiling for this, for this core.

You just, you come out and you, you're literally, I think you're penalizing the entire team, though, in Monty Williams for, like, three. Who are we calling the court? Jaden Ivy, Cade Cunningham, Cade Cunningham, Jalen Duren, Assar Thompson, Jaden Ivy, Killian Hayes, Stewart, and Wiseman. They're all in 25.

Okay, see, when you throw it with Stewart. So, yeah, like the starting lineup, it weighs a lot down. Yeah, I'm going to blame the starting lineup for being trash, like. Yeah. Listen, part of being a great young core is being a project for being a good team together and fitting together. Why would we assume that, I mean, Kate, they're talented. We know Kay is going to be a start.

We all think Jay and Ivy can be good. I don't think it's going to happen with his roster. We love Assar Thompson, can't shoot. We love Jalen Dern, can't shoot. All these guys just don't fit together and are better in the idea of them is better because they're young players, but nothing about it is materialized.

Yeah, because all of them are, if they get to, if they are able to get a jump shot, then they're going to be great. But there's seven guys who we have to go down the list and say, yeah, they can't shoot, they can't shoot. in the era of the NBA where you have to be able to shoot

not a lot of this translate to being a great young core so yes he has to be the highest for me yeah there's no way to be hired in C we could but it won't be shocking if next year comes around and they get some pieces that make more sense Marcus Sasser continues to get more opportunity he gets up higher

into this you know the hierarchy of this young core we see the next draft pick be a shooter like it won't be shocking if this changes next year but based of what we've seen we can't get that much better for the doubt I kind of want to give them a lower tier B because in no way players who in my mind when you think about the court

stop saying Isaiah Stewart's a part of the court he's not a fucking a part of the court he's not going to be a part of the team for like two three years bro he's a part of the team not the core he's a starter and he's for years why is he not a part of the core they value him dearly a I promise trust if they value him that much

Cade Cunningham's often to resign that rookie essential buddy he's going wouldn't it be crazy If he, I saw a tweet the other day, my mind's scary right now, but I saw a tweet today that that reference, what if Katie Cunningham like just didn't sign his rookie, rookie extension and just like, he should, go cold on him. He should be hilarious. He's going to, but like, it would be hilarious.

Yeah. But regardless back to the fact, I don't, it doesn't feel right to saying that Isaiah Stewart's a part of the court. Like, that's what they're literally doing. But honestly, we know that he's like the weakest links. He's the weakest legs of that court. That's why is it bad. But if you want to call on that, so I guess season.

That's why the course sucks. Listen, even if, even if, you know what, we will give you that. I will give you that. I don't know if. You can take Isaiah Stewart out of the court. The other five guys can't shoot. They can't, they can't shoot. Isaiah Stewart's the best shooter besides K.

Look, that's sick as hell, man. Okay. Let's move on. C tier core. Yeah, that's what you see. The Indiana Pacers. Tyrese Tyrese Halliburton

Benedict Matherin Nemhard Ney Smith and Jaris Walker This is nice Has to be an age Just off the strength of Tyrese Yeah You have a legit star

That's in there And some other Nimhart's a good role player For a long time I think Benedict Mathes Been a bit up and down But like I know Mo has a love affair with him So

Love affair No I don't I ranked him a little bit high In my summer rankings I got a love affair with him Nah He's good. He's a good player and he will have a role for a long time in the NBA.

Will it be a very fruitful for one? I don't fucking know. But regardless of the fact, he is a good player who can do positive things. And with that alongside Tyrese Halliburne and Andrew Nevard, like you said, is going to be in the league for a long ass time. He could start one day for a lot of different teams. This is easily an ACOR. Look closely at Jaris Walker, everybody listening. This year, he's young.

He's not getting a ton of burn. He's gotten some lately. He's been dominating the G League. He was a player that during the draft, everybody was like, oh, that's going to be a glove and hand fit immediately. They're giving him more time to develop because they have a lot of fours there. They signed Obie Topin. I've been traded for him. They have Jalen Smith.

They have Isaiah Jackson. We've got a lot of mediocre bodies in that realm. Jarrett Walker is going to be the long term four there. He's going to be a power wing, legitimately really good player that fits perfectly with Tyree Saliburton. I have high hopes for him going into next year. Yeah, I absolutely agree. And if people are wondering about his archetype, I would say he's a rangey, big wing who can stretch out the floor and he prides himself

on defense tremendously and that's just bread and butter fit alongside what this team needs and what they're trying to do. I think he's like Aaron Gordon was a little bit less of a handle. Like that's the best case scenario was he could be there Aaron Gordon, the type of power wing. I don't necessarily see him being that type of ball handler because, you know, Aaron Gordon was one option when he was young, was kind of like forced to be a small forward. He's no longer that now, but he has a little bit of that creation shop that I'm not sure Jaris Walker will have, but everything else in his game, I think, is very similar.

Minus the crazy athleticism because he's not helping everybody likes that Aaron Gordon. But I like him a lot. Okay, I was a little A for them. Yeah, Tyrese Carey, savvy. Shout out them. The San Antonio Spurs, Victor Wimonyama, Keldon Johnson, Jeremy Sohan, Brannum, or Branham, I'm not sure how you say it, and Vessel. Listen, Jeremy Sohan is trying to get him.

Yes, listen, Jeremy Sohan is trying to make them a beat. He's been good lately. He's been good. They put him back to power forward. Exactly, exactly, because they moved him to the right position. But off of, like Moe said, off of Big Vic alone, this is an A. This is an A core. As long as you have Wembe there, you have the flexibility to create a very, very dominant

team, especially as he develops. Again, he's 19. He's 19. Like, it's going to be crazy seeing him add all these other pieces to the game. So this is easily. an A core for me. So does Vic just like defy logic because he's Vic? Yeah.

You know, they've been sneakily the second worst team in the league. They've been escaping by because the pistons have all the headlines. But they're also fucking horrendous despite this whole young core being the core of the team that's playing a lot. They suck ass. And like, you know, the Cade's been cooking. They have a star. Lamello is a star.

They didn't get A. Like, do you just have that high of hoax of Vic of being an all-time player that you're like, fuck it doesn't matter? Yeah. Yeah. And that's fair. He's going to be amazing. He's going to be amazing.

Yeah, you see the things that he can do on defense. You can only name three players, maybe four players, or max who can replicate some of the things that he does. And that combined with what he does on offense too. The other night, we saw this man shoot a one-legged, deep three-pointer. Who does that, especially at that size? Nobody. Yeah, and honestly, I think his defense is getting a little bit underrated this year

because Chet's getting all the praise for, like, being in deep, PLY caliber talks and like manning one of the best defense in the league. Victory's been like just as good if not better than Chet defensively. He just isn't how he's isn't in infrastructure that would allow him to man a defense that good. So Chet's getting the the bias of like being on a great defensive team. But Wemby's already I think on the same level as Shet defensively. Bro, the other day, Wemby blocked somebody without even looking at it. It was a hand hand block.

A backhand block. Like he just knows where where the ball's going to be. And because of his wing span, he's able to, he's able to just to block anything in his sight. It's crazy. He is a space jam player, right? And so it's, he's amazing. It's a, we don't, we don't have to keep talking about this, man. Yeah.

And you could say B, if we're giving them the same, holding them back for being fucking awful this year. But them, I very clearly see that once they draft the point guard is coming draft, hopefully it's Isaiah Collier, they're going to be S tier, immediate draft. media of a young core like they're one position away now that so hands back to his natural position he's been eating he's been very good recently i think kelton johnson should be shipped to afghanistan but damn decent player the cell is really good like the pieces are going to be there once to get that one piece to bring it together as a playmaker yeah i agree a easy bro you love sending people to war man i've been like every two weeks i think he's shipping somebody to afghanistan I just saw the statistics of American people signing up less and less for the U.S. military.

He said we need people. We need more bodies. He said send the most athletic people in the country to the army. You need reinforcements. If you know anything about me, I would never say that. Speaking of countries, did you know that beginning of the pod last week, Mo just had made up a country? No, I didn't make up a country. I didn't make up a country

The issue was No, it was a place The name changed That's what that's what it was called I refer to it as an old name Okay, okay I saw the comments playing you They're saying that was calling Turkmenistan

Turkmenistan No And geography is not my strong suit So I wasn't ready to correct you But everyone's saying It's really Turkmenistan If I gave you a map right now Would you be able to point out that country?

Me? Yes you I pointed out on an heartbeat What? Yeah, I saw a random TikTok about it like two months ago, so that's why I'm deep in my bag. Don't get it full, bro. I'm not a geogic, I'm not a geogic. You're so deep in your bag, you said the name wrong?

How deep is your bag? I did research on it. You got an Assar Thompson bag. Hell no. All right. Next team we're going to talk about this map pull up. This is becoming a geography pod. I'm fucking cooked.

The Miami Heat. A more shallow core. Tyler Hero, Jaime Hakez, Nikola Jovich. Oh, man. Let's see. Hakez is fantastic. Shout out to him. Great.

Tyler Hiro is really good. Is this a C? No. No. No. It's probably a B. Yeah. It's shallow, though.

Like Isaac said, it's not, it's not very deep. You got two guys. And it feels like Tyler Hero is not going to be a part of this core for much longer. So 23. He's still a little pretty young. Well, I just mean that it always feels like they're trying to trade them somewhere else. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man.

This isn't, they don't have any stars, but it's interesting to me. I put them on here because, like, you know, a lot of teams that don't have young stars I didn't put on this list because, like, why would we talk about them? But I think it's interesting that they have two, maybe eventually three, like, good role players that are contribute. How do you grade that when it's not, it's not like a high tier thing, but it's solid players that are in their rotation and it's very helpful? from my perspective, I graded based on how impactful they are to their team-winning games. And I think Jaime Hockaz, clear his day.

Like, he's going to be someone's killer. He's going to throw and ruin some fans' night in the playoffs just because of how dynamic his game has been overall or early into his NBA season. And for Tyler Hero, like, we already know what he does. He's walking 20 point per game score. And he's soon. 43% you know you hate Tyler Hero so much I don't hate Tyler Hero yes you do just admit it

for what why would I hate him because he's white and I'm joking I'm joking but he was very hyped up early on his career and he got that boost for being a being a swaggy white boy whenever he was in the bubble snarling and you hated that and you've hated him ever since he doesn't it unless that DC brunch is crazy He's average 23.4 points per game, 4.5 assists, 5.4 rebounds, 42% from 3, 45% from the field. Tyler Hero's a fucking bucket. He's great. He's cool. I'm just a little bit jaded because I've seen the heat make two finals friends without him. And it's like, no, no.

He was there for the first one. Oh, yeah, they lost in game seven. Yeah, that's when he did the snarl. Ew, you made the sound. That's just, yes. Don't never do that. When he did that, I thought my toe was flushing by itself. I was like, what the fuck?

No, I thought the hero's dope. I think maybe C's fair because, like, we have teams in A and B that, like, have legit superstars coming into the fold eventually. Lamello Ball and Brandon Miller are a B tier. So maybe that has to be C. That's why I feel comfortable. We'll see for sure. Okay. Next thing we got, pull my dock back out, I don't know why I close my phone.

Next team is the Orlando Magic. Another great one. Oh, this is an A A. T. Easy A. A. Mendo Magic. Bro, that's all gets catchy. Oh, it's so good. My question to you guys and to,

if you're still here, comment, the answer to this. Who has the better young core when you take Shea Gil to S Alexander out the full because he's 25? The Thunder or the Magic. Who's the best young corner to lead? She got Chet on the other side. You got J-dub, two probably super stars,

two all-stars eventually, probably. She got Palo, you got Franz Wagner, you got Anthony Black, Jed Howard, two rookies that we'll see where to become, Jalen Suggs, Cole Anthony, like this is a deep core too. Yeah, I would definitely mean towards the Orlando, the Orlando Magic because

Paolo is, yeah, for sure. They have too many bodies. They have too many good bodies. Paulo and Franz, relax, bro. I can't talk about nothing. That's crazy. I can't have no conversations, but regardless of the fact,

Paulo and Franz, they're, I don't want to stay here. I don't say they're just as good as J-dub because they're in different trajectories. So you know, you have to most, five times three. But you are wild. Don't want to answer this question. Chet Holme is the best player of these two teams. Who's better, J-Dub or Palo?

Probably Pallow. J-Dub or Pallo? It's Pallowlo for sure. Yeah. Man, Pallowl is inefficient as fuck. Palo is a 50% affected football percentage That's 13th percentile

I understand that But like Chucker Listen let's give J-dub his own team And have him You know Run the focal point

Yeah be the focal point With no spacing around It's a lot different We see what I think J-Dub might cook I'm not gonna lie I think he'd think he'd cook In that situation

With no space I don't know With Orlando magic space That's easy to say That's easy to say Well he'd bring spacing He's the spacing He's the spacing

So like it wouldn't be as big of a deal Well, I feel you It's a very different team construction It's easier for J-Dub has a lot less attention pointed at him So I understand that Yeah, exactly So yeah, I would I would take Palo After that though

If you want to take Chet and J-Dub over Franz I don't think that that would be crazy to say Oh, easily, easily Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying So I... For sure And I'm picking Chet over Palo, is that fair? That's...

See, I'm very up and down There's no command because that's not an easy answer whatsoever. You're tripping me instead of you. No, no, I don't think it's easy. If we are projecting though, if we are projecting to like what they are going to be in their careers, I think taking Chet over Palo is 100% fair. The defense is already skewed heavily in one direction. We've seen what, what Chet has. So is the offense. We do not, do not think that Chet is going to be able to develop offensively enough to where his literally DP, DPO Y level defense is going to be able to to offset that.

Oh no, you don't understand me. You don't understand me. I'm saying I'm picking Chet easily. Yeah. Oh. Chet's better on both hands easily. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Easily. I like Pallowl a lot. I think Chet is the clear answer. Okay. We're here. Like, we're here. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Chet's like an incredibly efficient big man who can handle the ball, running transition, stretch the floor, pass a little bit. D. P. Pallow's going to be great. He's going to be a big that can also handle the ball. Eventually will become more efficient as a score. Maybe. Probably.

never going to be that level of defender the passing is going to be a wash chet's always it's not a wash um but i agree with you um i would say it's so much easier to envision someone like chet hungroom fulfilling his potential because he's asked he's probably he's being asked to be one of the five best big men in the entire NBA in the future along with playing that level of defense and that's that could be a thing and for paolo if you see him and you're you're just setting these expectations for him you're asking to be one of of 10 best players in the NBA. If he's not that, then the whole pile of experiment is a wash.

10.15 is a wash. Bro, chat shoots 52% from midrange and 42% from 3 right now. This man is one of the best spacing big men we've seen in the modern NBA already. OD 3 ball. That's crazy. He needs to be an all-star. He needs to be an all-star. 42% from Trey balls.

But is he speaking? Maybe we got to ding him for having the Tyler Hero trait of looking in the mirror singing a light skin man. So maybe, maybe I got to hold him back to that. He is real lame. We're straying too far from the point. The magic are also a tier young core.

Exactly. I agree. Franz is nasty, bro. Franz is nasty. Coul Anthony is disgusting. Gogo Badate. I can't believe I just said that

before Randall Carter, June, other players. But bro, we understand the point. They're great, man. All right. Next team, the Washington Wizards. Belal, Kulabali,

Johnny Davis, Corey Kisper, and Jordan Bull. This team is trash. This is, this might be the worst Young Corps. No, no.

Kula Bali is going to be nice. Who cares? They suck too. They suck too. You named a Yonkour with Johnny Davis in it. You get an F. This young boy is trash. I did that as a joke.

It doesn't play. He's horrible. I did it as a joke. But Kulabali and Jordan Poole and then Corey Kisper, whatever he think he is. Denia, oh, and Deni of Dihah. I forgot about him.

He's nice. Is that? No. Is that? D tier? That's F. That's a mean F. That's a mean F.

Kulubali is nice. We love his game. Denny of Dia. He's a good player. You can see him being a viable player in the NBA for a while. But other than that, they're in the blender. How old is Jordan Poole?

24. Man. Still, they're in the blender right now. They're in hell. Yeah, man. Coolabali is the only one there that I'm confident that I'm going to be there once they're a good team.

Exactly. In seven years. This team is not good. Year one of a rebuild is tough. Yeah, we can throw them it up to you. Sorry, Wizards. Yeah. If you're a wizard fan of listening to this podcast,

you have not had a single good day of enjoying listening to us in the past year. Today's not the day that'll change. May not change in two years from now. The Toronto Raptors. Scotty Barnes, RJ Barrett, Grady Dick, Christian Coloco, Emmanuel Quickly and Gary Trent.

The manual quickly changes this a lot. Kind of cooking. I will see We like quickly a lot If you guys didn't listen to the live stream We did yesterday go on YouTube and watch that Because we broke down the whole trade Donovan went crazy talking about the Knicks

We did the whole trade reaction there If you go there We were all pretty happy about this trade for the Raptors We all like Emmanuel quickly a lot See him making a big leap next to Scotty Barnes That's also projecting that we see a leap coming Hasn't came yet So it's really just Scottie Barnes being great

And then a lot of iffy pieces Plus quickly who's already good, not great what does that stand is scotty barn's greatness great enough to put them in a no no i mean they have rady dick hasn't done shit

they thought gray dick was they drafted him to be an immediate contributor as a shooter because they were trying to compete he is raw and needs time he could be good i'm not going to write him off but he is not good at the moment so r j barrett is rj barrett uh you know how i feel i smit

can't be a i don't think one point There's two good players there. One's a star in the making, one's Emmanuel Quickly. Yeah. I think depending on the synergy between Scotty Barnes and Emmanuel Quicken, this could potentially turn into an A. But for now, I think we can agree that this is probably comfortably and B. And there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah.

I would, I would say B. I think, like, it's funny. I just like, oh, yeah, you know, we haven't seen, bro, you phone, I'm sorry. Your phone just. I don't know people don't know what it is If you guys hear the BV my It doesn't matter It doesn't matter

Keep on what were you saying Yeah it doesn't Anyways It was funny Because you're talking about like Oh we haven't seen the The leap from a menu quickly It's been one game

Like it's gonna come It's gonna happen Not what I meant Not what I meant Yeah Yeah he's he's gonna be fantastic I think Yeah

Wait so we're gonna settle A B for this Yeah I think this far And it's queer for Merech quickly Not the one game With the Raptors Yeah

Yeah I think he's fine. Are you cool with that? Yeah, I think Yeah, because I think Scotty Barnes has elevated himself Like in terms of Where a Lamello Balls place is

In the league Like Scottie Barnes is very comparable He's, you know, protecting to make an all-star team this year This is fine, it's okay It's not bad How do you guys feel about R.J. Barrett? He's still only 23.

Like, how does he contribute to this young core? Like, let me me phrase a question. I know you guys have bearing degrees of disgust with R.J. Barrier on the Knicks. do you see him being able is there a world where he becomes a good good player with the junk core and if there's a range of outcomes between nick's worst case scenario rj barrett and like really good player you could hope he could be where do you see him going in that realm is he like

towards a better case scenario or worse case he's significantly in the middle of that i'm about to say the same thing yeah whatever combine those two worlds together and that's exactly the outcome that you get just r j barrett yeah you think you say that way you think he's going to be average for the duration of his time with the team yeah that's the rj barrett experience is a wildly inconsistent ride and there's going there's going to be like rj barry he's only 23 he's been in the league for four or five years down like we're starting to what do you mean he has top five years like he's he's had time drug i agree but 23 is still very young we've seen players be up and down and then you know again we're very

jaded by a lot of young stars these days just like immediately developing for a role player such as him who he's firmly in that realm now like nobody has any expectations of him being a star some role players take time like dante x him left the league for several years he came back he's better Lowry marketing became a star like 24 like it's not always very linear in that way especially for someone like RJ Bear who's been a tertiary player you can see him developing into a decent role player around 25 or so I can I can understand that but even with Lowry Lowry always had the ability to like like you felt kind of comfortable with him shooting the basketball if RJ is not or if RJ is shooting the basketball I don't think you can

actually rely on that I'm looking at his cleaning the glass page Nickill can you pull of RJ Barrett cleaning the glass page and go to shooting accuracy yeah I'll clean in the class they have your shooting percentages for each spot on the court and then the percentile and where you rank amongst your position. The worst it is, it's arranged from blue to orange being the better ones like hot to cold. This dude's chart is all blue in every position from every year of his court of his career

except for the one year he shot 40% from three. Exactly. He's never been to fishing from any spot on the court. This is not a guy that you're going to rely on for shooting. Like all the other stuff you hope can come, but it's going to be on a night-to-night basis up and down I don't think that he's going to be a legitimate part of this young court. They're going to build this team around Scotty and IQ.

And for the rest of Bear's contract, they're going to enjoy having the Canadians in Canada. Exactly. Nickal, click offensive overview and then click Shooting Accuracy. While everyone's looking at this, listen up. The Taran Raptors are one of the four worst shooting teams in the NBA. You bring RJ Barrett on that team? who's already one of the most three point shooters ever

you get your cooking absolutely nothing so he had his life super easy on the next while watching someone like Jalen Brunson and our and Julius Randall and the offensive options that they have there all they have there is Scotty Barnes who's great and also Pascal Siakamu is great in his own right but the the looks that we're hoping that he'll get or that he will get will not be any easier at all

so yeah and the only thing the only thing on this chart that you can hang your hat on is the 51st percent tile for the corner three and the only reason why it's not blue is i think wait can we see how many attempts nick you can you hover over the 38% on on this year 52 attempts yeah he's taking 52 shots from from the corner three like that's just not you know viable volume and so this is so that it's not going to be great for the raptors But it's okay because you have a dynamic point guard who you hope is going to grow and blossom and be able to have a great two-man game with Scotty Barnes. It's going to be okay.

And once they get Pascal, we're going to see what else they add to this young core. They're moving in the right direction. But right now, this is a B. Okay. I agree. Next team, the Portland Trailblazers. They currently have a young core of Schuetterson, Shaden Sharp, Tumani Kamara, Anthony Simons, and Jabari Walker.

I love this young core Tumani Kamara When I read his name When he got traded I'm like too many cameras What the fuck you're talking about I got traded But

That's good That's good Having I think the The group of them Like the core is fantastic As individuals I'm not sure how it'll pan out

In a few years Because three of their best players Right now Quote Play the same position And But regards of the facts like they are still in my mind

I damn near want to put them A because Anthony Simons is an absolute flame throw from hell Shaded Sharp has been pretty consistent over the last or the entire season and Scoot Henderson has gone together over the last five games Now playing eight

They have a lot of bodies You need to relax The fuck out Listen so If you think Scoot is going to be like the superstar That we hoped it could be When we got draft number three overall And we were like

he should be number two. If you believe he's going to be the best version of that and be like better than lamello ball type shit, I understand why you'd say that. I think he's way too early to assume he will be. And while I think Anthony Simons is great, making a big leap, he's not like on that level,

I don't think. I don't know if he has a ceiling that like a lamella ball has, do you? No, I wouldn't say he's a tier below lamella ball. Yeah, he should be. And Shane also, again, very, could be very good. But this is a team that has high potential,

but hasn't quite put it together yet. which I think is more similar to what we saw from like the Pistons in terms of ranking their young cores. Yeah. Yeah. Except they're a lot better than them. They're not a lot better than anybody. They're a lot better than they're not in the Pistons territory. They already won like what. Yeah, they're a lot better than the business for sure. But I think you can talk me into you can talk to me into B at the worst case scenario because we've seen this group of players be productive together, even though they do not fit together necessarily at all.

When I say that, I mean, huh? What do you mean productive together? Like, what do you mean productive together? Like, what are they done that are you basing that off of? Like, wins are like the individual production being better than the last week and a half? In terms of like finding an identity over the course of the season. And if you watch the Portland tribe business, which I don't expect a lot

of people to, but something that Monti Williams, but Chauncey Billups has emphasized is, their defense. Their defense is not absolutely atrocious. That's something that they hanged their hat on as a team. And she feels like all of them have committed to what's that? I don't know why my brain is failing me right now. But they apply a lot

of pressure on the back court every single time the guards bring the ball off. Press. Full core press? Full core press. There we go. There we go. They run the most some of the most full court press in the entire NBA and to see those guards just commit to that end and help I feel like that helps

signify what they potentially could do in the long term in the long term and also the offensive production that i just see these guys consistently given off over the last few not the last few games but this entire season i'm feeling real comfortable with i think they're probably a c but i can rock with them being a beach just off of like if we really like these young guys and see that making big leaps i'm cool with that if we still if you guys still really have a ton of scoot stock and are like fully believing in him i'm cool with that yeah yeah i do have had some some scoot stock and but i mean and most not completely wrong like they are being kind of productive as a as a team like right now they're projected to have the fifth overall pick you know

what i'm saying like they're losing games get getting those draft picks up that's exactly what you want from the rebuild team so successfully ass let's go yeah they are they're completing the mission so shout out to portland you know listen but they're not completing the mission then the pistons are completing the fuck out of the mission they must be easier yeah but the goal is to complete the mission without shame though and what the pisses have been doing that's true has been disgusting at least give your team give your fans

some type of hope you know what I'm saying and the pisses haven't been able to do that whatsoever right now although it's not good it's not fucking piston status you said they're yeah they're nine they've won nine games and also they're 18th in defense that's

what I'm talking about right there give us something to look forward to their respectful ass they're absolutely that you can bring in the room Exactly You can bring it home Bro, the piston started off the year 2 and 1

They're 3 and 30 now Like that's just It's just a different level Of trash I get it I get it Okay so we can give them a B 3 and 30's crazy

I can't believe I can't believe we've lived through this To through seeing the worst team ever I love it The Utah Jazz O'Shea

I think I feel like I butchered that Kiante George Taylor Hendrix and Walker Kessler. Taylor Hendricks is another player similar to Jarris Walker who a lot of people

project to be a very productive for going into the future as a rookie isn't getting the most opportunity but it'll come in time County George is a very I think a lot of people have a lot of faith

in coming a good player there and Walker Kessler's obviously really good having a slow start to the year but last year he was like a great great defender see? Yeah there's there's a lot

like there's a lot of potential here where like I feel like for some of the other courts we've been able to see a little bit more like actual productivity for them on the floor right now like like as I said it's still very young Keanti George is 20 Taylor Hendrix is 20 right all these guys are super super young and we just haven't had the amount of time to see them play as many games to some of the other course that we talked about so I would give them I'll give them a C but by the

end of the year they could be B if we see some more flashes from a lot of these guys yeah I think I don't, they're waiting to get their top to your guy if and when that happens. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think being, labeling them as B is probably being too nice because we're not 110% sure who that guy is just yet for them. And I think the truth of the matter is that they just haven't came across that guy like Isaac alluded to earlier. So as of now, like, seems very comfortable.

I did honestly like forget that Walker Kessler just existed point in play period because I've somehow avoided induct and Dodge every single Utah. as game possible. Thank God for that. I hope I keep doing that in 2024. But they probably do deserve, you see. Yeah, I think it'll be good again. He had a very slow start to the year. I think he's been better as time. It's been a little bit up and down, even though he's gotten better than worse again. It's been a weird year for him. But it's also because they have no point guards this year. You know, after they traded by calling last year, they fell off a fucking cliff and they just literally have no point guard. That's why they suck again. Even though the past like week,

they've been winning games inexplicably. So we'll see what their outlook's going to be going forward but yeah they don't have a top four pick on this team i think we're just waiting for if they ever get to that point and have a high pick and can get the blue chip guy but they're building a good core around that so when they do get that guy it'll be very very interesting yeah it's crazy that thts is only 23 that's yeah he's in the core that's their highest paid player besides lowry and colin sexton what who paid him that money uh the lakers i think what oh my god Yes, it's gross. Not that much, but yeah, look millier.

Okay. Next team. The Golden State Warriors. Tracy Jackson Davis, John the Cominga, Moses Moose's Moody, Pajemski. Ass. No, Trace is actually fantastic. If it wasn't for these last three weeks, we would have label this team as like a straight-up F when it comes to their young four. But as of late, I think they're a solid, respectable B, or my bad, C, because none of those guys are those guys.

There's no potential all-stars. I'm going to say that at least. But Trace Jackson, Jr. has revived this team as a whole, and he's caring a lot, in my opinion. Yeah. And then it's another thing like Moses Moody, we all want him to get minutes. Steve Kerr-Gloose has asked to the bench. John Dickminko's been looked solid lately since Jamon Green's been out.

I've been happier with what I've seen from him. I'm not sure with numbers buried out, but watching them. I've liked that. And obviously, we think Brandon's like, he's good. He's clearly proving to have, like, a role, whether that's a flash in the pan, because we've seen that happen with Warriors guards over the years. We'll see.

Remember McKinney? Whatever. The height of that where we thought like, oh, they got another one. So we'll see how that plays out with him. He's probably a little better than that. Yeah. This core could be, it could be a B tier. But Steve could.

It could. But Steve Kerr clearly thinks it's a D tier. That's why he doesn't play half of the guys. So I don't know. Like if Moody and Kaminga, especially leading up to this point, actually got minutes and were able to develop in games and spots where Golden State actually could have used their skill set. They probably could have been further along. I do think that there is another ceiling for both of them. And I mean, at least for Brandon, like, he's come in and he's

been a very, very valuable piece to what, you know, they've been doing lately. So I would go see. I still believe in a lot of these guys I get it I think they might realistically deserve D based on what they've done How can you put them higher than like a C When you guys like Clay Thompson I'm not putting them higher than

Openly admitting Oh you guys got you guys I agree with you I agree with you But I don't envision a world Where they can be anywhere of a B Hell hell no it's even above a B When you got guys like Clay Thompson openly admitting that

he probably could be a better mentor to younger guys and he's had a lot of negative energy and you just have like a little ramps in the corner, bro. That has to do with player development. That has something to do with it. Because Clay Thompson's been whiny. We're like, fuck it, they can't be a C. Clay Thompson's a bad vibe next to him.

He helped him back. Speaking of Clay Thompson, you guys see his interview where he was basically said him and Steve Kerr talked about it and he realized he's washed. That's a different way to say it. But he basically was like, on how to look in the mirror and realize where I'm at my career.

Oh, yeah, in this final stage of my career type. Yeah. Good for him that they've had that kind of like point of clarity. He was talking about how he clearly was a negative influence in the locker room whenever he came down on himself.

Good for him making those realizations. I mean, we'll see what it leads to, right? People can come out to press conferences, say whatever you want. True. Let's see how it translates to the floor. Yeah. This is a DTIR core.

I'm not going to dance around it. The Dallas Mavericks. Josh Green Lively Jaden Hardy Maxens Prosper and Luca Donchich Still 24

Damn Luca's still 24 If it wasn't This is a lot of the swing Ever A They might have the best player In the league

In their young court Yeah With Luca A Without Luca D Without Luca This bitch is an F What the hell Yeah

This would be worse than ass If this was How is he so young I imagine he turns 25 Later this year Well, obviously, yeah, in 2024. I don't know if it's this season or if it's like during the summer. I'm not sure if his birthday is.

Still 24, though. Crazy. His birthday is February 28. Oh, so he's 24 soon. I'm 25 soon. Oh, my God. But as of now. He's a day older than me.

Oh, my God. Am I still young? Like, he goes on a young court, man. Does that count? Let's go. Oh, dude. I forget. I needed that.

I needed that. I mean That obviously A tier They got Luke Adon's just nothing talking about I'm mostly joking including them The next stuff Keep it in Texas The Houston Rockets

Sangoon Green Tarisen Jbari Smith Amen Thompson Cam Whitmore This is an A Another top tier one

This is a really good Deep Young Corps Yeah Last year there were a B core And this year with Sangoon Elevating a couple of levels And then

then bringing in Amin Thompson and Cam Whitmore who's been making humongous waves and he made waves in the summer league and the G league and not only starting to get more and more playing time as the season has gone on

this could be a roaring A soon but now it's a roaring I wish Jalen Green was good yeah no signs I pointed to him becoming a good player you look at his shot chart it's very similar he's RJ Barrett time a lot of blue on that shot chart

I wish he would become no part because that would really set them above the line. But even without him, Amin Thompson's going to be good. You know, he got hurt earlier in the years, but a slow start. Not unexpected.

He's playing behind Fred Benley. It's not going to be a big rookie season from him. But we all think he's going to be great. Sangoon's a legit star. Tarisen is one of the most underrated players in the league from a young player. Jabari Smith's learning how to be good at basketball this year. He's been legitimately good contributing player to a sort of winning team. I agree with A, I think.

You don't think you can be in a school, Donovan? No, I think we can go with A. But it's, for a lot of these young teams, it's just very funny because you look at like the young core and it's half the team, right? And like, but like y'all said, Sangu's, his leap that he's taken this year has been amazing. And so, like, for all, for all the other guys, like for the teams like the thunder and the magic, like those are easy A's.

I think that they would be, if we were breaking it down, the Rockets would be an A-minus, but they are still- Yeah, yeah, I agree. but they are still in that tier though yeah they're here for volume not necessarily the high end talent yeah they don't got uh I don't even know if they have a j-dub they definitely don't have a chat

they who else we put in a no they're probably pretty similar to the magic maybe palo is gonna be better than sangoon I think that's fair but the magic up there for like volume of good players maybe not a true superstar super star depending on if palo makes a big leap

in the coming years which he could he could probably do that more than the sangoon can but they're up here because they're gonna have a lot of good players right yeah but yeah they have the one they have the space right next up the Memphis Grizzlies John Moran is still 24

Jaron Jackson still 24 Zire Williams Vince Williams Jr and a bunch of white power fours that we don't care about Insulte Alabama Jay and you don't care I was about to say don't it's an easy it to need yeah yeah they got two all stars like it's hilarious at John Morant and so 24

Jaron Jackson still 24 they got a DPO Y and the top 15 player It's not even a real conversation bro Let's move on Honestly, we were talking about the Thunder being the best This is the best Young Court in the league

obviously because Shay age it out Who would you rather help on your team? Oh, well yeah because Shay is They have John Morant You're right, you're right

You're right I forget Shay I forget She is 25 Damn Yeah, yeah The Pelicans The last one we got here

Because every other team doesn't really have Young Corps anymore The Pelicans have Zion Williamson Trey Murphy Kira Lewis Jordan Hawkins

And Dyson Daniels. Listen, this is, it's a good young core on paper. I think they see, I mean, even in actual basketball, like, they're good. No, it's great. It's an A. It's a day. We don't got to, we know

Zion's been disappointing. It's an A, it's an A young core. Come on. Zon and Trey Murphy project to be very, very good young players in the NBA. Jordan Hawkins, although he's, he just came back, or no, Trey Murphy just came back and he's seen Jordan Hawkins has not gone any minutes. He's in the G league currently, which is an absolute disgrace. He deserves because he was absolutely hooping his ass off while Trey Murphy was out.

Now the official she wasn't there. He's a fucking rick and he has to take eight, nine threes a game. But regardless of the fact, like, he needs to be getting minutes. And he, he's an exact type of player that the Pelicans needs to be playing a lot more in order to see someone like Zion Williams and fulfill his potential because of the obvious spacing reasons. That's why it's on the Chaw City. Well, yeah, anyway, I think you got Zion, you got Chey Murphy, who's going to be a high-end role player, could maybe get a little better than that long term.

We'll see what his opportunities like in his career. I think it's an A. If you want to be like, oh, Zion Williamson's out of shape, he's ass. I'm not giving the respect. At worst it to be. But listen, they got Zion Williamson. That's me. Yeah, okay.

Well, be fucking for real. We saw they have a guy who at one point was a top 10 player in the league. So Zion Williamson deserves to be an A. Yeah, for 16 games, he was whooping. That was crazy. Oh, my gosh. Is it crazy Zion still might be an all-star this year He's not just that good

He's just not gonna be an all-star He could though Like it's not it's not gonna be impossible He's gonna get fan votes He's not gonna be an all-star starter And I don't for sure not Exactly And he's not gonna make the reserve

He's not gonna be an all-star We've been through this several times And every time we Every time we go through I ask you about the names That like he would be better than that he would have to knock off and he doesn't make the cut.

It's not going to happen. I agree, but why are you at? We know there's going to be a lot of injury reserves. There's always is. There's going to be two or three people picked afterwards and he's going to be in the mix. Not, bro. He's not making it.

I'm not saying he's going to, but I'm just saying like there's a non-zero chance. Like, be prepared. It's really hilarious. Like, don't be surprised. Okay, mathematically, yeah, there's a non-zero chance. But like, I mean, I mean, obviously not.

There's at least a 1% chance, sure. But there's a decent chance. He's going to be an all-star. depending on where they're at in the standings because right now they're fifth and if they continue to be in that place there are only one win behind the clippers I'm here if they're the four seeds

is going to be an all-star yeah someone needs to be an all-star for that team so you're picking brandy ingram over him yuck man he said it like where your morals is E.J. Liddell where your morals at you're mad of God or what he's not he's not making

he's not making the all-star all right anyways that's the end of the the young course, we flew through him. I didn't write him down so I can't recap them for you guys, but I hope you listen to the whole thing. Now, it's time to transition. Tick-Talk time. Let's do it, eaters. Crayon eaters. It's crazy. There's one important word that you leave out and it makes it a very different sentence. Let's move to TikTok time. As always, we're going to start with the draft. This time we're going to mix it up. We're not drafting lineups.

We're not building a player. We're drafting five players that we think have been the most surprising players in the NBA this year. Surprising can be whatever you want. It could be good, could be bad, just has to shock you

based on what you thought preseason. Let's do it. God damn. I'm ready, bro. I got a long-ass list. Okay. This man's passionate. Draft order is me, Mo Donovan.

I'm mad. I'm wasting my first pick on a draft that's not competitive, but here we go. Let's draft the most surprising players in league. y'all know how it works first pick i'm going jordan pool i thought he'd be good i thought he'd repair his reputation a little bit he's made it 10 times worse i'm not going to lie i told you this is going to happen yeah told you he does not like that yeah this man craves the structure

of golden state and he's been nothing but trash and's leaving yeah and with the number two overall pick i have to choose the man who ruined the entire infrastructure who broke it draymond green Not only that he broke Jordan Poole's face too So I got to pick up number two You're surprised by Draymond This is what he's doing with how With how insane that he's been Hurting people at this rate

We haven't seen it before He's ruining his team We've seen this for a decade Listen two assaults in two weeks Is kind of crazy Okay fine Yeah Over the last five months

In someone in the chest Slaping in the face And also going for someone's neck It's crazy Yeah, all right. With my first pick, I have to go with Dylan Brooks. I was clowning Dylan Brooks in the office. I said that he was the worst contract in the NBA.

And he's been cool, right? He's been chilling. So he played his role. Shout out, right? Shout out to the guy. All right. So Dylan Brooks is my first pick. My second pick, my second pick is Scotty Barnes.

That's what I was going to pick next. That's a great pick. I'm taking Scottie Barnes We've all talked about it We thought that he was on Tyreek Evans Michael Carter Williams time Right that he had a

Mickey Mouse Rookie of the year That's not the case He's actually He's actually playing very very well And he is about to be an all-star He is my second pick Yep

Became an elite shooter overnight Yeah We love that shit bro On the positive side of things I got to go I got a role with Brandon Miller if he would have been ass to start off the season everybody would have been on his case

but now that he's good it's been fucking crickets he's a legitimate piece of the of the Charlotte Horn's future and he's been everything that they knew that he was going to be everyone's quiet about it though yeah the school comparison is aging well for Brandon Miller next pick

I'm going to stay on the positive note give me Tyrese Maxie made a legit star leap and I thought he'd be better I didn't think he'd be on averaging 26 on elite efficiency looking like a young Damian Lillard. Bam. And then... Young Damien Lur is crazy.

He's been great, bro. Yeah. And after that, back to negativity. Give me Zion Williamson. I thought we were pastes out of shape shit. Last year, he was ripped, best shape of his life, looking like the MVP candidate. And the sodas won the war in the long run.

He's come back out of shape and it's not going well. Oh my gosh, bro. That's crazy. He is gone. He was good. It's only right if I pick James Hardin. Dude has been through the wringer over the last six months. Went on a world tour in strip clubs.

You could catch him in China. You could catch him in Houston for no reason. He's been surprisingly good after everyone was so down on him. Shout to him. He was an international Darryry Hater. And it worked out well. Facts. All right.

Third pick. I'm going to go with a rookie. Jaime Hockes Jr. Right? I did not think that he was going to be this good. I thought that he was going

to be just a player that people put into a Damian Liller trade and that he was just going to be exactly, that he was just going to be somebody who Portland plays every,

every, you know, once in a while that he was just going to be a cool player, nothing crazy. He's really freaking good. And the Miami Heat have,

you know, listen, I can pick the Miami Heat as a whole. but the heat have shot up and they have a legitimate chance to get back to the NBA finals this year and they listen

they low key do but it's probably it's kind of in part because they have an added scoring boost because of Hyman Hawkins Jr. It's time to get negative Jalen Green. Oh shit you're right. Damn! I didn't forget about that.

I didn't forget about that. It's okay. I think I might steal your pick so ha-ha. Go ahead. But this is where we're going to go. Jalen Green, you failed me. You failed me. I thought that you were going to get adults in the room. I thought that you were going to get an actual basketball coach

who was going to teach you how to play NBA basketball at a high level. You, sir, have not done any of that. And you are looking like the worst player, or not the worst player, but the worst star player of your draft class. Yeah. You're hard to be hopeful for Jalen Green's future at this point where we've seen nothing, no positive signs, really. It hurt my heart.

Yeah. It's only fair if I go ahead and select Greg Popovich. He is pushing 80. That's good. Listen, one of the greatest, probably the greatest coach of all time. But putting Jeremy Sawin as your point guard to ruin Wemby's grand entrance, you just ruined the entire NBA propaganda single-handedly. You deserve the same, man.

Yep. I'm going to go Carl Anthony Town is my next pick we were all saying he would never fit with we were all saying he would never fit with Rudy Gobert

eventually he'd have to trade him he's been great in his role shout out cat okay and last but not least last but not least give me Massai Ujuri we thought he would never

trade Ogen and O'G and Nobie we thought it would take six first round picks we thought he was glued to him for life and he finally did it OG Nobie is a Nick by far the big surprise the season of me

I sent him I sent him a hotline A help hotline and I ain't a lie. Maybe he accepted it. Straight to Akim next, please. Yeah, we all need it. Please, dear God. Next up, I think I might have to roll with Co-Wi Leonard.

He is fully back. He is cyborg. He is Megatron. He is whatever transformative that you want him to be. He is annihilating everyone, bro. It just doesn't make any sense at this age with that injury. That he's good. That's fair. That's fair. All right. I'm going to close it out with multiple players because I'm going with the entire Detroit Pissons team. I never thought I would see the day when an NBA franchise lost 30 games in a row. You didn't win for nearly two months. That is disgraceful. I thought that the Sixers team that intentionally was tanking would be the worst team that I ever saw in my life. And the Pistons said, hold up, I got you. I can do better or I can do worse.

And the 28-game losing streak shocked me. That is sick. I can't believe we really witnessed that. It's why. That's a once-in-a-lifetime thing. Shit. Bro, we were tuning into games 28 and 29, like they were playoff games,

just to see if they were to lose again. They're hanging banners for breaking the streak. It's hysterical. Yeah. That's our list of the most surprising players and abstract ideas of the season. that's cool. There you go. What we got next. Let's do some trivia next. Mo, I think you have something for us. Yeah. So over the next few weeks here and there, y'all going to see us run a

little series, Donovan versus Isaac. We like to see these two yap. I love seeing these two go back and forth all the time. And I'm like, you know what? Let's put these two in trivia. And right now, we're going to have these two guys guest NBA players by their basketball reference page. Oh, okay. I see if we'll do this. I love it. Yeah, exactly. I think that we're going to do it

is going to be six of these in total and we're going to do like two different series, the best two out of three wins. And I'm just going to stop Donovan now. I'm just simple and playing. This is how it's going to go. Question, right, to answer. Are we both going to have a chance to answer?

Do we have to buzz in? Where's the process like? You better speak quickly because I talk fast. Exactly. You got to buzz in. Can we buzz in? Listen, listen. Actually, let's just do it.

Just yap. Just yap. You got to be on the edge of your seat. okay yeah talk through your thought process make a good radio and then just say the answer as fast you can exactly I might not listen I might not make a good radio well you better because this is a podcast

this is a podcast you better talk and we are trying to win well if you don't go ahead it's it'll be bad radio and you better make sure people see your win so y'all I don't need people to say I just need to know that BITU

guest C&V player by their basketball reference page okay who is Who is this player? A journeyman, okay, drafted by the Knicks, Denver. He's currently on Washington. Is this Todd Gibson?

No, he's not. No, no, no, no, no. He was in Atlanta last tour his ACL. Donovan, why you haven't thrown out one number yet? Come on now. Say a name. I'm trying to, man. Relax, relax.

He was a score at some point for Denver. He scored a lot of points, then went to the Clippers in 2018. Oh, I'm drawing a blank. Wow. Oh, is this guy a shit? It's on a tip of his tongue. He played nine minutes a game for Atlanta. Donovan, I thought you were a Nick fan.

It was good, man. He's in Washington right now. Drafted by the Knicks. This is throwing me off. Denver. Donovan. Is this? Is this?

I got it. I got it. Is this Danilo Galanari? This is Danilo Galanari. You are correct. You are correct. The man was one of the most horrendous mohawks in NBA history. There we go.

Oh, yeah. We're here. Donovan. Listen, come back season. There we go, Donovan. Congratulations. Thank you got your first point. What's next?

Eric Gordon, don't even ask the question. Oh, he is on a heater. Oh, my goodness. What gave it away? See, what happened to your radio, right? This is what I'm saying. People try to set me up for the loss. I see how we're going.

Okay, okay. I see it. I see it. Listen, I see, I can't help but know it's just how I do things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those rocket ears gave it away, I bet. Tie game.

Tie game. Good hit. All right, what's next? Last one. Drafted by Memphis, Houston. Oh, Kyle, is easy. Oh, my goodness. This is too fast.

Donovan, catch up. Oh, my gosh. Right now it's two points in Toronto. There's two players that could be all time. DeMarter Rosen or Kyle Larry. Easy. That is beautiful. I thought, see, for a second, I thought the early years

were going to throw one of you guys off, but y'all were on the money y'all did the, y'all did the, y'all did write. I thought Donovan tried to catch up or he just like spit it out. It wasn't illegible. Exactly. A gentleman sweep,

the first victory. It's too easy. That was beautiful. Yeah. Too easy. What? I came back, didn't I? Never in doubt.

Wait, you don't agree? No, series two. We're playing two series per episode. Yeah, so it's two ones. It's terrible. Now, moving on to the next page. Donovan. Luckin.

So Russia and stars career. Houston Clippers. Philly now. Oh, this is Patrick Beverly. Oh. Oh. Donovan said he is null in you slide with this one, Isaac.

Yeah. The Russia got me. I was thinking international player. There you go. You are not watching Eurobasket like I am. In 2009. In the fifth grade. I'm dead, bro.

I'm streaming heavy. Okay. I'm used to being down and out I'll come back again All right All right Next up we have With the Nets

The Spurs Denver most recently Is this Richard Jefferson This is Oh my God You're getting your chest dumped out right now Isaac You got it How do you not remember the richard

That's a sweet That's a sweet Damn That's tough Let's see if I get some glory points And go out With something on the board Can you at least get some on the board

Please good God People had they money on you, bro. Next up, we have. Toronto, Sacramento. It was a journeyman. He plays in Indiana right now. He was on the Pelicans, the Nets. Wow.

He's playing everywhere. Chicago, Indiana. This is hard. This would be a more of, this account as, this account as like three points. If you get this one, Isaac from 2011, okay. Yeah, 0.7.

You cut off the minutes played, so that doesn't help. Wow. Look at the points. It don't matter. He's just on Indiana. He was in Sacramento. Dallas. He went for,

okay, so he was in Miami for a few years, got traded to Minnesota. Is it James Johnson? Yes, it is James Johnson. The boy who recently got signed to Indiana just to beat ass. He are correct.

He got a 10-day contract for hands. That's crazy. Yeah, I ain't go lie. I want to give you a high-five for that one because that was hard as fuck. I did. I do this shit. I can't win them all,

I'm going to get on the board somehow. Yeah, exactly. So right now, ladies and gentlemen, this series for the full podcast of the series is tied one-one. Yeah. We'll press it over the weeks. We'll have a running counter. Right now is 1-1.

We'll see where we pick up next week. And I need y'all to go ahead and place your bets for next week because I'm interested. And it'll be different type of trivia every week. Right. Today was Bassel reference. Next week, it might be drafting who, I mean, picking who's average more points per game. It's going to be different every week. Exactly.

Ladies and gentlemen, what a game. I think it's time for a tip of time. list. More T-E-through bread and butter. Today we're going to do a tier list of embarrassing moments. Okay. Joe is also hosting this one. So I haven't seen these. Mo's hosting this one. So we'll see what you got for us. Yeah, man. This has been over the last few years in the NBA, really one only outdated one. That's just absolutely fucking hilarious. So we're going to go ahead and look at well, we're going to go ahead and rank the most embarrassing NBA moments. Okay. So first up,

We got Isaiah Thomas saying, I just wanted a Frosty. This is back when, I love this moment. I love this moment. When he had alter case with a fan. Who is one of my favorite moments? The fan? Yeah.

Easily. Yeah. Easily. Because it's a grown man, right? Flipping off Isaiah Thomas. And then you come back, he's like, I just want to Frosty. You're a lame and greedy. What did that happen about?

He didn't stand on business at all. He flipped so fast. You must have been saying all the most viable vocabulary in the world, just to be like, my bad, I want an ice cream. Ice cream, exactly. Now, we got to put this in A. A tier. Okay. Very embarrassing.

You're a chump. Okay. Chump is a perfect word for this. Facts. What about the time when Razon Rondo pieced up CP3? That was, that was very embarrassing. Oh, is this A tier? He got punched.

A tier. Punched on an NBA court. Yeah, he got a punch. I was like an S. I got punched by your arch and nemesis Rondo. I'm saying this because Chris Paul does the thing we puts, he tries to mush Rondo, right? He tries to act all big and bad and then just bop, just gets two piece combo. It's like Rondo punched him with the frustration of the entire NBA.

Everybody hates Chris Paul. Everybody finds him annoying. everyone was like relishing the fact he got something coming it's got to be S-tier I think Exactly Yeah Speaking of Chris Paul

Let's stay with him What about that time When Steph Curry Crossed this man into oblivion He crossed him in the meme culture forever Easy S-tier He crossed him into internet legend status For all the wrong reasons

Bro I've seen this man surfing on waves I've seen this man bowling I seen this man skateboarding I've seen him playing connect for it's crazy he was doing everything everything but basketball

everything but the pay properly I've seen him on the moon too it's crazy it's very flexible it makes no sense what about the time when Chris or what about the time when Paul George

crossed him over in the playoffs another Chris Ball one we're running it up on Chris Paul I ain't a lie this is one of the dirtiest crossovers because it looked like he got hit with a stunt gun.

It was like, hold on his body go like that. Just like. Yeah. And on top of that, too, Paul George made this shot too afterwards. Oh, it's a highlight then.

This is etched into Paul George history forever. People in 20 years into watching his highlights and seeing Chris Paul get embarrassed. You're part of history of your est here. Speaking of history, what about the time when Kobe Bryant posterized Chris Paul? This is the Chris Ball hates Esch. It's the last one I promise. If Chris Ball gets embarrassed, we love it.

S-tier. S-tier. Okay, S-tier is an easy one. That's an easy one. Okay. So what about the time when James Hardin piggybacked ride Michael Carter Williams? Ooh. This is funny.

I don't know if it's embarrassing. This is peak prime file baiting Hardin, too. Who is it more embarrassing? That's the real question. It's really, it's really embarrassing for James Hardin, because you are the MVP of the league at this point. Grown man. Why are you doing this?

You don't need to do this. They're going to give you the foul call anyways. Why, why are you acting like this? It's just a, it's more of a lack of respect than embarrassing. So why are you as a grown man on NBA court committing horseplay? Get off that guy's back. Are you six? Get off him.

That's a beat. Add it to the list. Add it to the list. And at this point in time, Michael Carter Williams' career was handed by threads. This makes it so much worse. Yeah, man, that's a lot of weight in his back, too. This is a B. Yeah, this is a B.

What about Swaggy P's infamous mystery me? S-tier. S-tier. Yeah. This meme dominated the internet for a year, for like a decade. this is fantastic and embarrassed you want to talk about etched into history

internet history this meme is used to this day it probably will be forever as long as we're on Twitter like it's such a good euphemism for so many situations facts exactly if you if you hit a girl in DM

if she don't respond you're getting sent one of these in the group chat my boy that's how it is not never me not never me man I'm Ray Allen from this bitch next up carmello anthony

completely passing out in the middle of the game and nobody not giving a damn he just out on the ground making snowflakes carmelo anthony can do no wrong so this is an F here embarrassing moment I'm not embarrassed at all this is not he meant to do this he feels no shame

part of the plan he really said after after this game he said I legitimately blacked out and passed out for two seconds. Yeah, that's, we all know that's like a health issue rather than an embarrassing moment. I don't know why you're making fun of it. It shouldn't be on this list. It's kind of a sensitive subject.

He was complaining over a file. We really should pass up. Keep it moving. Keep it moving. I'll just let Donovan glaze in peace. It can put an F there. That's gross, right. Okay.

What about the time when the Toronto Raptors congratulated Dwayne Kaze for winning coach of the year after they fired him. Oh, that's a bad look. That's an embarrassing epigraphic that's a bad look. That's a bad look. It's a bad look for both ways too, man. You lose your job and your former boss is telling you amazing job.

What I was supposed to do at that point? So you did a great job. You do a great job next year. Not for us. A tier, S tier. Best of luck. This might be A. Yeah, we'll go ahead. Yeah, this might be a.

After after he coached for Detroit Pistons, it's just like he disappeared after that, bro. That was a family man. Last one, Janus arguing over his game ball. Oh, this was embarrassing. He was outlandish. And I think the fact that the Nasus also was just somehow involved brings it to another level of embarrassing. This is, this is too embarrassing. The Nasus is dragstown.

Yeah, you got your big bro. taping for you when you're just like dead in the wrong, S-tier, this is bad. Ah, okay. How do y'all feel about the searless? It's a good tier. It's a great moment. I love this.

I love it. We ran it up on Chris Paul. We tend to do that. I like it. I like it a lot. Solid. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to talk about something we talked about in the past in several different forms.

We're going to talk about NBA nicknames. This time we're going to change up the way we do it. It's not going to be a draft or anything like that. We're just going to rate them one to 10. I'm going to show you some funny ones I found And you're in time What you guys think about them Let's do it

This shit is my bag I am good as fuck when it comes to knowing What is hard and what is not hard When it comes to NBA nicknames Okay I'm a certified nickname giver I guess I suppose

Donovan My back I'm just saying Nickname nowhere All right First off Rates nickname from 1 to 10 first off we got outback

Jesus What this bitch is hard If you're from the south This shit is hard as fuck The south of the world Australia No like south Like Mississippi

Like that south That's what I'm thinking Florida Florida don't count Alabama They fuck out Outback Jesus Outback Jesus

He's talking about the Florida Obama shore This is ridiculous Jesus makes it make it sound like he is cooking the finest steak in the god damn world with barbecue sauce everywhere but i know that's a blooming onion this is a this is a 10 to me this is no it's 10 it's fire this is a 10 and why is his name outback jesus too who gave this one what the car it's funny it's funny because it's just matthie del of a dover like yeah next up big penguin for draymond green i mean

oops a big penguin for andre drummond oh he gave me his nickname i don't know he doesn't feel like penguin he won't even what is reminiscent is he wadley i guess On the defensive end, I mean, I guess I see it, yeah. It is not like a stable stance. I guess, I guess. Ain't nothing hard about a penguin. This is a zero. Two.

I'll give it a two. I think it's kind of funny. I'll give him a couple style points. Just a couple of them. A huge L. All right. Next up, we got Stroke and Joe. Hey, yo.

This is a freaking diggy ass nickname. Who did this? Oh my God. What are we doing here, man? Hey, you see the play. He strokes that shit. Oh, what? From downtown.

Listen. Listen. My little brother loves watching basketball. I am never watching an OKC game again because of this nickname. What am I going to say when the announcer says, Stroke and Joe from deep? What? Hey.

If nothing is accurate, he's got a strap on. 10 out of 10 5 man parental guidelines when I watch O'CCC games I didn't make the name No I say it out of 10 It's kind of fire

You're crazy Now you're on watch Donovan Alright next up Juan Wick 10 out of 10 Oh my god This shit is hard as fuck Oh my god

This is not convulsing Oh my god This is hard as hell With a name like Juan Wick I expect him to go ahead and give me a random 40 piece once April Once May hits He sounds lethal as hell No, this is incredible

This is one of the strongest things that come in the league in recent years He's going to be one way for the rest of his career He definitely has a Glock 40 in his hip at all times with his nickname He must He stays with that at all times bro And his game speaks that too Fearless I love it my Mexican king

Next up Plumdog Millionaire. It would be fire and it's clever. It really is clever. But this is Mason Plumley. Relax. Relax. I just feel like...

You don't respect the Duke legend? But you better respect Plumdog. Watch your fucking mouth. I don't have to do anything. You can't tell me what to do. It's fine. It's a good nickname. But once again, minus one point because you are Mason Plumlin.

You never watch a Mason Pumby. You never. never watched a mason plubby mixtape in your life that's wrong with you this is the exactly did you eat those the nastiest passes those the nasty state passes bro why are you wasting three minutes of your life watching a mason you can't name another you can't name more than three NBA players who went from shooting with the right hand from the free throw line to the left and still be making that bitch he's him fucking 10 at 10 you convince me plum dog millionaire who did Ben Simmons, Tristan Thompson.

I think Sohan tried it too. You can't do it. Whatever. Whatever. You try to diminish greatness. Fuck out of here. He told me that you can do something and then I did it. That's greatness.

That's great. Wack. On the spot too? No thought. To the next one. To the next one. Come on. Tiny dog for Brandon Ingram.

Ah. Yeah. This is not good. This is not good at all. tiny dog I don't even understand it he's not it's not big dog tiny dog he's a little bit of dog in him big dog yeah this is this is this is this is not it whatsoever I feel disrespectful my name is tiny dog what do you mean tiny no fact I'm 6 9 this feels like this feels like kind of like this feels like Alvarado's think name I can't give

this yeah this is misplaced this is not this is not it zero zero 10 for lack of an accuracy stuff Next up, the big burrito for Mark Gassau. Hey, I've never heard this in my life. Yeah, I don't know if this is definitely charged, but it might be accurate because his game is stuffing people, not literally in the room. What?

What game is stuffing people? Yeah, like a burrito. He just is like all on you, you know? He just fills you up. I don't know. Yeah, the game is packed with everything He's elite at defense He can stretch that bitch out

He can he has the post move bro He's passing is phenomenal His game has everything Just like a burrito I guess Okay sure But this might be a five There you go

You said all of that That it like perfectly encapsulates Marcus on then you're like Five out of ten What we're doing It's 10 I'm with it I'm with it five or five Because you can be

calling someone a big burrito in person bro like that's just I'm going to question what type of person you are this is better typed out than it is said out loud yeah right next up Thadjik Johnson that is going to I know

I know where this came from too this came from the graphic of him doing some historical shit that's so that's such a reach yeah one of five players to ever do this history I thought, I thought his name was Fagic Johnson because he had a Lisp.

Oh. That's crazy. That's crazy. I love when role players get names that are like should be reserved for legends. Like I'll bag Jesus. This is just incredible. Yeah. He was a great.

He was an incredible role player too. But this nickname just might not do it. Thagic. I love it. it. I love it. It's kind of hard. Give me all the puns. I think about it. Yeah. 9 out of 10.

Fuck it. Let's do it. 9. 9. 9. Love it. Shout off, Thadjic. Magic. Next up. The dancing bear for Draymond Green. It's the fighting bear for him. This thing.

7? 7? 7 out of 10? It feels weird. I don't know. I don't know how to feel about this nickname. It's kind of hard. I've never seen Dreyman. on Green Dance.

Yeah. I seen him do that what that trick dance but he hasn't really he hasn't really encapsulated this at all. This might be a two. I thought it was hard for a second

than I thought about it. It's kind of low for me. We can go harder. We can encapsulate Dremont's ethos better than this. A hundred percent. Facts. Exactly. Two out of ten.

Next up. The Dorter Chamber for Lou Dort. Hard. This is this is top ten nickname in the NBA right here for any role player this 11 out of 10 you listen some people were called off night when they're strong defenders I get it you had an off night you see them

you got put into the torture chamber is crazy hard bro this is a medieval godlie this is a medieval nickname this is fantastic yeah combining his nickname and combining his last name into that is perfect and this is exactly what we should be naming our role players right here we need more of this When you wanted these were Herb Jones Because he'd be putting people in hell Facts 11.10

Yeah, this is shit Yeah, 11.90send is perfect Oh, this is the last one? Let's go. That's the last one. And y'all, that's the end of the show. We had a little bit technical difficulties So we're at the end a little bit early.

Appreciate y'all. And what do you wish people comment If they're still here, Donovan? The rat chewed by Wi-Fi. That's the technical difficulties. I can comment that. Comment the rat chewed our Wi-Fi. Yeah, come at the rats shoot Mo's Wi-Fi.

Tell them the rats are winning again. Just give us some general comment about the rats. You guys get creative. I want to see you some. Isaac, you pizzazz. Your Christmas gift was weak as hell. Do better next time. Next time you mean one of big ass snap traps.

All the rat poison is not working. Now we're cooking. Nah, she weak as hell, bro. That's funny. I'll see you later.