The Deep 3 Podcast - We Interviewed Jaime Jaquez Jr. & NBA All-Star Baron Davis! | Ep. 130

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

Today we interview NBA all-star Baron Davis! #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Mo's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 2:40- Baron Davis interview 43:45- Bonus interview 1:16:45- All-star weekend recap 1:20:50- Jayson Tatum feels underappreciated 1:33:03- The Warriors are back 1:46:52- The Lakers are back 2:02:38- Podcast P is gone 2:08:35- checking in on tanking teams 2:21:30- tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Is it okay if I call you Unk? Yeah, it's all good. Alright, I think I've earned that. Of course they don't give me like top five handles, which I don't understand. Like that kind of happened here and go to state. It was like B-Ditty and the family. That was playing off of like the whole P. Diddy shit, but that's canceled now. I'm back to Boom Dizzy.

Yeah. Who? Who? How do we go, uh? Yeah. That's exactly what I'm trying to tell you. You don't understand. The cranium is crazy.

Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice. I know last week we said we had a very special episode for people. There's a big moment for us, right? We interviewed Darius Garland, one of our favorite players in the NBA, somebody we said a lot of good things about over and over. We came with a surprise chair Murphy interview.

It was awesome. I'm here to say today's might be even more special. We just keep on coming and coming and coming and covered. Endless, everlasting. We have so many surprises. As you guys saw by the intro, as you guys saw by the title, today we have a conversation. We do.

Today we have a conversation for you guys with Barron Davis. Another interview that we recorded also. Yeah, put off for the Oaks. Put on for 2,000 hoopers. Put on for 2,000 Hoopers. Put on for a box. Let's talk about it. Oh, my goodness.

And we did. We did talk about it for sure. We were talking about it for sure. We recorded a lot of interviews at all-star weekend. I think this is my favorite one. You know, like I said, Darius Garland is one of my favorite players in the league. It was awesome to have that moment talking to him.

This Baron Davis one was even maybe a little bit more awesome. It was a very good conversation. Like I thought of him said, it was the unction for sure. Baron Davis is absolutely hilarious, bro, when he, like, matched up with a lot of. our energy pretty well. It was different, obviously, because there's a drastic age gap,

but he, like, brought it out of the year. Like, he's not Oscar Robertson. He's not Oscar Robertson. Like, he's not 78. He's 40-something years old. Damn near a 78 and someone like me, bro. Drastic is hilarious. By the way, you guys know he's a little bit old.

Just know he's old as hell. Old as fuck. Roman conversation. Hope you guys enjoy it. We're going to send you over the interview now. We'll see you after for the regular episode for this week. Don't worry. I know you clicked it, seeing the title thinking that everything's so different.

You're still getting the normal T.U3 content. So we'll be here after us to discuss some of the biggest news stories a week. And then give you guys good old-fashioned TikTok time. Let's go. We're joining here today by a special guest. We got two-time NBA All-Star, Warriors Legend, Clippers Legend, Hornets, Legend, Baron Davis in the house. How you doing, man? What's up, my guys?

What are you doing, Dad? Real quick, is it okay if I call you Unk? Yeah, it's all good. All right, I think I've earned that. You know, I used to be offended by the Unck thing, but now, you know, I'm in Unck status. What age is Unct status? When do you, when you actually start to be like, okay, I guess I am Unk? Cross the threshold.

Yeah, is it like 32 to the line? I say when your teammates, kids become of age, so when they like 13, 16, you know, and so I'm watching. I'm watching this next generation, right? And, you know, a 20-year gap, you unc. You know what I mean? 10-year gap, big bro. 20-year-old. You know, that's my mom.

Team year and I can be big, bro. But hunk is definitely 20-year. I had kids calling me unc when I was, 15-year-old kids calling me unk. I'm only 25 years old. That's fucking hilarious. I was like, all right, right, right, man. I understand. Already.

Donovan gets the most unk allegations that all of this. I have been, yeah, I'm, I kind of. of us three have the most like oh hey kind of perspective and so but our fan base is kind of young and so they already call us on that's crazy we're donovan's known for we're mid 20s yeah mid 20s i'm already young donovan's also known for being the most like 2000s NBA nostalgia merchant ever love to 2000 so yeah great episode for him we got you in the house we appreciate you go to you that's the era yeah 2000s was the era yeah great great great great time for talent one of the the most interesting things I want to talk about up top is you are now a full-time co-host

of the Dreymong Green podcast. How is that going? How are you enjoying that new era of media? Oh, man, it's great. I think working with somebody like Dre, you know, he's honest, he's charismatic, he knows the game, he's compelling. And, you know, it's true. He speaks this true. For me, being on the show, it was like a great compliment. For me, because, I get to kind of feed off his energy and our personalities are very similar. Yeah, yeah. Our takes are very similar. We're very unapologetic, but there's fun.

You know, we got a lot of back and forth, you know, fun, a lot of dialogue. And then the guests, you know, our goal for the guests is to amplify them, to give them their flowers while they're there to make them feel special. but also to make them real people, right? So if you, you know, you got dunked on or you cross the episode with John Wall, dunked on me on my birthday. Yeah. You know, we're having some good laughs on the show.

So, you know, shout out to J.Mond Green for, you know, bringing me on as a co-host. It's been going crazy since. How'd you meet him and how that, like, whole, oh, bro, you should be on this show come about? Yeah, so I like follow him. And then I DM'd them and I was like, yo, bro, I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan at a Jemond Green show.

Like, I'd let it be a guest. And so, like, I just kept hitting them up on DM on Twitter and TikTok. And I started going to the Warrior Games. And I was like, I had a sign one time was like, yo, if you need a co-host, I'm here. So, you know, just really getting it out the mud. Yeah, shooting your shot. Yeah, shoot my shot. And, you know, I got that one episode in the summer.

time and they had a rest of history. Love to hear it. And now this is your first season. I'm totally joking, bro. I was like, yo, you got it like me. I was like, wow. Damn, how do you like that? I was supposed to be your brotherhood.

I don't know. Listen, I wasn't trying to say it, but I was like, sounds kind of thirsty. He was like, damn, bro. You're really getting it out of the mind like a real fan. What's crazy? What's crazy? I fully believe to you.

I was like, damn. You never know when you're dealing with D. Drey, how you were like that? The media business is tough these days There's only so many options Even NBA players Got to get out the much I got to re-evaluate myself

Like How does you feel that You know, you enter this era Doing a full time with him And obviously you've done a lot of media In the past You have a long history Of outside of basketball stuff

But the first time in a while You've done a full podcast With him weekly The biggest story In NBA history breaks You have to react to Luca Donch's trade Do the coverage of that What was that like?

It was crazy because That never happened Ever? Yeah. It's never ever happened. And so it was almost like an earthquake. It was like, it was like an NBA earthquake. Yeah.

And you're sitting there, you're like, what the hell is going on? Like, what do you say? Because the trade was like, it was, it was an incredible trade. For one side. For both teams. Really? For both teams. Because you say the first thing you, the first, your first wave of shock is,

Holy shisnit, Luca got traded. Where did he get traded to? Luca is with the Lakers, what? And then it's like, who did he get traded for? Yeah, traded for AD. And you're like, well, damn, I don't know the Lakers chances of winning the championship, right? And you like, hold on, 80 in Dallas with, man,

it's just mind boggling, right? And you just trying to, you just trying to. to it was it's the most cookie cutter trade it happened but the like people there's no layers to put on this yeah outside of being excited seeing what they're gonna do um but the debate of who won the trade who lost the trade i think um you know it was just like an earthquake it was shocking but i i think coming out of the trade both teams will you know can be very happy that's a very unpopular take right now because yeah because I feel like a lot of people you look at that trade and it's like one team gets the 25 year old you know superstar and then obviously like AD is AD

all NBA you know caliber player but he's six years older and that's something that like you said you just never see you never see somebody trade their young star for somebody who's aging like that so I feel like right now like people Nico Harrison's out here hiring security like like that's how that's how bad people hate this trade I'm glad he has you in media putting out a good like he has an alter the take now. He has you out there saying, good job, Nico. Like, I'm glad that there's somebody out there that believes in him. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, it's hard to trace somebody like Luca. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's still mind-boggling why you would trace someone like Luca. But when you think about, when you look at the team now, the way that

they're made up with AD, do they miss Luca at all? Maybe, maybe. Maybe. With AD, do you miss Luca? You know, are you more versatile? do you have more 6-7-6-8 guys when you match up with boston now you know there is they can't just isolate and yeah pick on one person yeah and so you know part of it in the finals was you know we're going to pick on your luka your your superhero so if your superhero can't take the fight the force the battle picking on right, then the whole is going to have a whole nominal effect. One less hole to poke at in the

Yeah, but the window is super short though with someone like AD. I'm someone on this platform who said, yeah, this trade, Anthony Davis is a top 10 player. He's been a top 10 forever, one of the greatest of all time, period. But you could win a championship with Anthony Davis and in my mind you still lose this trade. Why? Because the gap in the window for Luca Dongeysson, the amount of success that he has the opportunity to amass.

It's different. You can win two championships in a row. Three, maybe I'm a little bit dragging, but to me, like, back to back, I'm like, you got it. You know what I'm saying? You got it. Exactly. Yeah. I'll give me a lot of comments.

People are like, how long guys are going to talk about this trade? You guys make so many videos about it. And I'm glad you put it as an earthquake. Yeah. I'm going to keep talking about it forever. It's the biggest trade I can imagine. He's a, he's a Laker fan too. So, yeah.

Yeah. People will tell me, but they got the New York, yeah. See, drip or drown. Oh, there's the color. It's swag. He would wear any team as long as this fly. Yeah, yeah, that's how it goes. Yeah, you got to put it on it.

Yeah, you got to do it. Listen, if Kith hit a Lakers jacket, I promise I'd have it day one too. All right, I got to make you a Laker jacket for you. I need. A little tapping you need. Outside the Lucas stuff, outside of the media stuff you're doing, I want to talk a little about your career, because you're one of the more underrated players of your generation.

I hope that's fair to see. that's fair to say and we obviously have a young audience like we said we call them crayon eaters they are young their children so a lot of people be a lot of kids by the way yeah shout out i think a lot of people think about you obviously we believe clippers they don't think a lot about your hornets era and i was going through all the things when we realized we were going to be talking to you i didn't realize you led the league in three point volume in 2004 damn you were very ahead of your time in that way yeah like do you feel like people overlooked that part of the Yeah, I was shooting a lot of threes that year.

We had a small team, and we play small ball, me, Daryl Armstrong, David Wesley, and you had Steve Smith, Stacey Ogden, George Lynch. And we always played with McClure at the five. But, you know, at that time, we were becoming more versatile and trying to play a little small ball. And I would say for me, I was a lot of those threes were happening because we ran a lot of side picking roads.

And in that era, you always get double, like I would always get double team out the side finger roll. So I would say probably two or three of those three-pointers per game was probably when the shot clock was like, I was like, you just got to throw it up. But, you know, that was fun because it gave me the opportunity to like be the man on the team. And because we, you know, Jamal Magor was a great inside force, but we didn't have, you know, potent wing scores. And so we had to, like, play fast. I think I lit the league in steals that year as well. And so we just played fast.

And for me, it was like, I wasn't purposely trying to get up threes, you know. But I was definitely, you know, coming out. I had the opportunity to start the game with a heat check. Yeah. You know, let me get these first two. line. And back then, you know, guards were like, like, what are you doing? Like, you know, you're supposed to come off to pick and roll, shoot mid-rise. I'm like, nah, I'm pulling up for 30. See what happens. Yeah. You were the only point guard in that top five that year. You were next

to Ray Allen, Pasha, Tracy McGrady, obviously high-volume shooting guards. I think number six was Gilbert Rinas, who was similar molding that way. After that, a bunch of shooting guards, a bunch of small forwards. So you guys are definitely rare in that way. What, the interesting part to me is though in that year, you shot almost nine a game. You go forward two years later. you're still, you know, similar player, a similar age, it was cut in half. What do you feel it was different between those two situations that made you, like, shift to one other side of your scoring back so much? Well, I think probably the team, because I feel like it was Golden State when I did.

And so for Golden State, Nellie and I had a conversation, and he was like, yo, if I can get you the ball, free throw line extended, or below the free throw line I don't think there's anybody in the league that can stop you and so that became where I would go to and so for Warriors

you know that's how we would finish games either we would finish on a pick and roll trying to get to the whole fine open shooters or I just go post up and we play out the post you know because I could pass out the post

I used to be able to drop step dunk you know that was like a baby sack I was like a baby Shaq because I used to post up a lot in Charlotte because Paul Silas would have me posting up so that's what happened I started to think about

oh if I can get below this free throw line now I'm in you know now I'm in this I call it this Jordan circle right and now you one dribble away two dribbles away from me into the basket I can get to my fade away you know and I can be creative like my whole the way I worked out

is like I wanted to be creative in a tight window yeah so I wasn't like doing double step backs to get all over there all the way over there I was playing like one on two one on three and I had to basically get a shot off you know within the free throw line right the free throw line so it wasn't about creating space it was like how do you how do you create different shot pockets yeah to be able to interest you you named like at least three maybe you by this had four head coaches you played for during that time in those few first years of your career. How do you feel, do you feel like that did more good or more bad for you when you're developing that age, being used in all these different unique ways? Like, that really makes you get really versatile

with the ways you were approached? Or do you think stability would have helped? Uh, definitely stability helps. Yeah, you know, uh, shoot. Like, because you have a great year. You come back, you got a new coach in this, a whole new philosophy, and they may see you as what they want to see you as,

not as the other coach. So, you know, having different coaches sometimes good but a lot of times it's for a young guy you know luckily i had paul silas for my first three or four years um before a young guy you need that consistency and then it's cool to have different coaches you know in your life to add different elements to your game but i would say you know i took a little bit from each one uh paul silas was just a Foundation, Tim Floyd, he kind of, he brought in Nate Tiny Archibald to like show me how to work picking rows and coming down. So I got a chance to work with a legend. And then Tim Floyd

and I had a pack that I would, I don't have to pick up full court, but I would always pick up three quarter court. And if I didn't pick up three quarter court, I would have to pick up right before half. And if I did that, I would lead the league in steals. Because every time somebody crossed half court, I would just let them, as soon as the ball bounce across the half court, I just attack the ball. And so you get turnovers. Yeah. You get steals. Because nobody, you know, everybody's like, you cross half court thinking, like, I'm about to run a play. And I jump on on it. Yeah. And so that was our pack. And then Nellie was really about, can I be a well-rounded player? You know, can I be the best pick setting point guard in the league?

Can I be the best finishing point guard in the league? Can I be the best post-up point guard in the league? Can I be the best passer? So it was those things. You know, sometimes coaches, they give you little elements to add to, you know, your overall Zite guys. What was the most fun that you had, you specifically, in any of those areas? I think each, you know, each kind of opportunity is. fun

obviously the year I shot 9 3 is going to I was getting them up and then the Golden State we believe there was fun as well because it was a lot of pressure

not a lot of pressure and you know it was relied on a lot and so you know I was I live for the big moments I live for the big games I lived for playing

against the top teams or the top players in the league because, you know, my mentality was, okay, I want to see what they made of. Like, I want to be a witness and see what they got. But I'm also coming into this game to let you know that, you know, it ain't easy. It ain't sweet over here. You know what I mean?

It's a real luck ball. It sounds like it'd be pretty fun to average 25 and upset the number one seed and beat the MVP in the playoff run. That sounds like it would be fun to be. Yeah, that was fun. That was fun. That was super fun. Yeah.

So after you left Charlotte, like you said that whenever you left there, it was kind of like the end of your Tupac era. Yeah. What does that mean? Like, like for you to be in your Tupac era, what does that look like? I was just really like, like, like I was, I was angry. I had a lot of, I was like emotionally. Angry, who? like emotional turbulence you know uh i'm like the way i played so like coming into the league it was

like i sat on the bench then my next year i started and i was ducking on everybody every chance i got to duck duck that's all i cared about like oh it's the center i got a duck like i got a duck you know i wouldn't worry about the guards i was more so worrying like i hope the center helps so i'm I'm trying to dunk on her. And like it was like a killer mentality, right? And so when I say Pock, it was like I was only listening, you know, to Pock going to the games. I wasn't curating a playlist.

I was just getting riled up like, yo, I am going to go into this game. And I got all the world of emotions going into it. You weren't in the mirror before the game. I'm about to go crazy. I'm about to go crazy. And now that you look back on that era, now that you're in your unc era, do you look back at that Tupac era? And do you feel like you channeled that in like a chip on my shoulder, this can motivate me in a healthy way? Yeah, for sure.

So you think it was a positive part of your career? Yeah, I definitely think it was a positive part because, you know, for me, I'm a gym rat. I let a hoop. And I didn't, you know, I was a third pick, but I didn't start. I didn't start one game my rookie year. But that was kind of common back then, right? Yeah, no. You know, like, yeah.

Like, yeah, but... You knew that, but you're still pissed. Yeah. I'm mad to this day. I'm still mad to this day. Like, I didn't get a chance to start my rookie year. Because I remember telling rest of peace, Paul Silas. I was like, my, man, you know if you would have gave me one start,

homie. And my rookie year coach, I'd have never sat on the bench. Yeah. Like, and so that just always, like, I wish I would have started that year. I respect your decision. I fucking hate it. like yeah i had to get it out the mud like my you know it was i could be a a number three

bus yeah there's i could be a bus easily you know not starting my rookie year what's going to happen the second year i was not for none of that i did not make it to the league i did not come from l a for them to try to label me as soft i can't play no i got to change this whole mentality and get down. So my whole Tupac thing was like, I am coming to kill you. That's all I can think. That's all I'm coming to kill. In this game, I'm coming to kill. You know what I mean? Is everybody around the league today that you see that you feel like you look at them right now and you see Young You in that way with that mindset? Who are the killers in the league today? Who today's Tupac? There's a low-hanging free dance we won't take. I'm excited of that.

I mean, you got a lot of killers in the league, right? You look at, you know, one of my favorites is a lamello ball. Indra, I didn't expect that. What do you see similarities there? He plays and has a lot of fun. Oh, yeah. And so basketball is basketball and his creativity and his playground, streetball

type of aura that he has. He has an L.A. Flair. Just say that. You know what I mean? It's definitely an L.A. Flair. Yeah. But it's also like a mental. It's like a high frequency. You have to have a high frequency and a high capacity of understanding the game, learning the game,

and being able to activate to be able to be able to paint like that. Yeah. Yeah. He's also a guy like in his situation. He has like the ultimate green light, you know, and so he can, he can go out. He can do whatever. Yeah, he's the orchestrator.

Yeah. I think Dame Lillard, you know, just thinking about somebody like in that mentality, like Dame Lillard is a killer. You know, he's like, he's waiting for that moment. He's waiting for the score to get, like the closer the score, the more and more they get excited about ooh we can lose but we're gonna win yeah yes

it's what you know that's what you want you look at Katie he's he's one of those stuff is one of those um Tyrease Maxie as a young dude climbing up he's a good one of those uh yeah it's it's a lot it's a lot

it's a lot of kids with this killing mentality and and and kind of like a no-ho's barred uh type of confidence There's a lot of, I feel like today's NBA would have suited you a little bit more because like back then point guards were more, you know, supposed to be past first, not seen as like lead scores for teams. And now guards, you have, you know, you have the green light. You can be a score. Are there certain situations in certain like teams that you look at right now where you're like, man, like I wish I was playing for them or I wish I was doing this.

Yeah, man, I haven't even signed my retirement papers. I feel like I still go. one or two years. If I can get it together and actually get a good three or four month run of not getting injured and being able to hoop, I'm like, shit, maybe I'll try again. I mean, the era is so, and that's just a testament to the era of the style of play. You know, you're just itching for like, oh man, I wish I could just play one year, you know, in this era. And I just think, You know, for me, I was on the cusp and through injuries that, you know, like the last four years or the last five years, which I didn't accomplish, could have been, you know, kind of like that legacy approach. Yeah, but more a legacy approach being able to, like, help a team, but also be more of a surprise because what I'm looking at and what I see, I still don't, I see myself.

being affected super duper effective. I want to stay on this topic a little bit and talk about other players that you played with in your time and I want to talk about who you see them in today. So I'm going to name a past NBA player from the 2000s.

You let me know who the modern version of that player is. Got it. Playstyle-wise mentality, whatever that means to you. Sorry for an easy one. Actually, I don't know if it's easy. Sorry for the big one.

Tracy McGrady. I got a name immediately. Someone who has a bag. Someone who's just like really inspiring for the youth. For me personally, I would say someone like Paul George in his prime era. No? Probably, like, I think of, like, Katie, I think of, like, Katie.

I think of Katie. Katie would probably be the best comparison. Yeah, a little more like tough shot making than Paul George. Yeah, like, yeah, because T-Mack, man, he's just kind of guard team back. He's getting to that elbow. He can get to the L, he can get to any shot he want, and he goes to the only dunk on you. I got to introduce you to 2018, Paul George. Yeah, I mean, you know, I think Paul George is great.

No, I do. I just, like, when you think about a level, like they two, one, Paul George is a two, you know, so he's a shooting guard. Team back is a small forward or a tall shooting guard. It's just a different bag. It's a way different bag. It's hard to compare. It's a way different bag.

Now, Paul George make the game. I would say the reason why people liking Paul George to T-MAC is their demeanor of how they carry out. It's almost like how they pay. The word we use now, Unc, aura. The aura. The same type of aura, right? You get like layback, super skilled, look like it's easy. It's not so on.

Mid-Brange, get to the shot, God, Hobbs, all the tools. Yeah. Yeah, but that's, that's KD. I think KD looks like, when, when KD is on and he's scoring, he makes it look easier than everybody else. You can ever imagine. That's true. What about Gilbert Arenas?

Modern day Gilbert Arenas today. You can see a lot of them across the league. Just a play style-wise, the way people attack the court. Score first point guards, right? Like you said, killers. Modern-day Gilbert Arenas would be. He'd be like a Lillard. He's a little, a little different way, slashes.

Who? Not even. Is the year and Fox a good one? No. No, not even. It feels like... Gilbert Arenas is a one-on-one, bro. Okay, okay.

Gilbert Arinas is a one-on-one, so it's hard to like... Explain to the people how good and why Gilbert Aranus is a one-on-one. One, nobody can guard him. Okay. Oh, he's going to get into his bag right now. Let's really listen up to it. One of the quickest first steps in the league. Okay.

One of the quickest off-the-jibble pull-ups in the league. league, the ability to get fouled. That's a scary. To get to the line and get fouled. He's fast as hell. He's fast like a, like a, like just as fast as any guard in league. And he's fast with the ball. And he can stop on the dawn.

And he got broad shoulders. That sounds like a nightmare. I don't want a guard. And he can shoot. Yeah. Right. He can shoot. So, you know, when you think about.

someone like Gil, maybe like it would have to be like a combination of like Jamal Murray. And the reason why I say Jamal Murray, because Jamal Murray got post skills for work and he can operate and small, like he's, he's good below the free throw line. Yeah. And he can shoot the three. That's true. But like Gil is like when Jamal Murray is rocking. That's him all the.

time. That's Gil all the time. 2020 play out Jamal Murray. Yeah. Gilbert Rehnis. Exactly. That's Gil all the time. But like just a different order. Yeah. A different kind of flow and a different type of way paint. And so it's just, you know, it's like yes, similar to Jamal Murray, but more like, damn, I'm trying to figure out, like, who is that

dude that, like, feels like the way he plays as Defa's Gilbert Arenas. But it has, but it It has to be like a shooting guard. That's what I'm trying to think of. Like, who's that shooting guard? That aggressiveness? That can get down heel. That can shoot the three.

Yes. I would say Donovan Mitchell. The demeanor wise, they're very different. Personality-wise, extremely different. Play style-wise, the aggressiveness? That's a great comp. Yeah. That's a good comp.

Okay. Let's do another quintessential 2000s hooper, Joe Johnson. Damn, bro. You mentioned in dudes that's one of one. Like, all these deals are one-of-one. There is no, like, there's no ISO Joe in the league right now. If he play him up today, he played a little differently. So who would he play like right now?

He had one of one. You don't see a little bit of Tatum in Joe Johnson? Hell no. No, they're two different players. They're two different players. Like Joe Johnson, he, what makes him like so hard to replicate? What's one and one about his bad? The patience

He's strong as hell You're not stealing the ball from him That handle his tight Right And he had Yes Yeah It's placed out wise

Approach to the game Yeah Can you play at your own pace You make your moves You make your moves Whenever you go Kuwait Kuai's patience

Joe Johnson's patience I can get to that spot I know I'm going to get to that spot You're not going to stop me If you stop me I can get you up off the ground and move accorded. They both of those shoulders.

Yeah, it's the move, the counter, and then the move after the counter that Joe Johnson. Joe Johnson was incredibly hard to guard, bro. When you're- And I used to, like, why am I guarding him? No, for real, bro. Like, I'm in the game, like, what? Come on Joe Johnson.

Mike Biffy is over here. Like, I'm 6-3. And then he put his arm on you. Now, his arms are like, you know, this big, he put his arm on you. You know, a dude who dribble and then put his arm out yet. So that makes a bench pressing minivan. That's not going to be guarding. Yeah.

It's over. And that was my next question. Like, when you are guarding these one-of-one type of guys, guys that you know are unguardable, what is going through your head? What are you trying to make them do? Like, how do you guard unguardable players? I mean, you just try to get there. And then you have to believe.

You have to believe. like yo I'm gonna stop this you know what I mean it's like yeah I'm about to lock him up and so you slide and you move in and so you remember Jeff step Joe Johnson Bucket from the mid range yeah we were playing with uh I was the clippers and we were playing Atlanta and we was winning and I so Joe got turned on and usually when dudes get going for some strange reason I think I'm the defensive style pull the shorts up yeah yeah it was just treating me y'all and i was like damn and he was suiting the fade away and it was like

i was like right there to block it it was just yeah every time yeah every time you're like damn i'm still a little guy why am i over here right last name in this segment baron davis who's a modern comp no i'll give you mine first what you think about it you said his name earlier I thought about this a lot last next I knew it wasn't to ask you a little bit bouncier Jamal Murray I feel like

there's some similarities there you mentioned the post game you mentioned working below the free-thil line obviously three-point volume and he's deceptively bouncy he doesn't use it a lot but he can get up a little bit

yeah but then you know passing just say it like I was call yourself a 101 oh for sure I'm gonna be yeah I'm like

yeah I mean yeah I paint you know what I mean I got, I know how to paint. Yeah, I know how to paint. It ain't one dimensional. It's not a dunk. It's not just the three is, you know, play defense.

But I think from the most underrated thing about my game, passing. Yeah. Of course they don't give me like top five handles, which I don't understand. Like every time they mention people in top five handles in league all time, it's like, all right. how many of these people that I steal them off from? Right? And how many of those people stole the ball from me?

Nobody. No. J. Miller one time. Andre Miller. Maybe a couple people. Andre Miller got me good. It was like my second year in the league. He just ripped me right at, he stole the ball right at half court.

And I'd never forget that. Does any of the names out that come in your mind? Because I feel like you, I'm sure you're asses a lot. Jason can stole the ball from me before. I tried to steal the ball. from Jason Keeb when I was young and he pushed me into the score he was not trying to get that turnover

he was like oh man I stole a boy and he went boom I'm like yo what you know you're like man no turn over he is protecting them stats I love how all these players you're mentioning that were like he gave me a little bit of problems strongest players in the league at their position it's all the muscle heads

yeah yeah that's funny so since we're on that topic who are the top 10 ball hands of all time to you. Who has a top ten handles in the NBA in history? I would say you got

Kyrie Irvin. Naturally. Got to throw in Steph on Marbury. Oh. You said Steph. I did not think it was on Marbury. Wow.

I never heard anyone say that. I like that. What about the other stuff? Steph Curry guy. Steph Curry got put him up there. Yeah. In no order. AI needs to be there.

AI is up there as far as handles. Tim Hardaway. Naturally. That's fine. I tried to tell these. people about Tim Hardaway's crosshover. What do you love about his crossover? I don't get it. It's so efficient.

It's just, it's no wasted movements with Tim Hardaway's crossover. Can get you from anywhere. Don't go with Jamal Crawford in there? Yeah, I give J.C. Jamal Crawford, you got, Jamal Crawford, yeah, he got handles, he got moves. Magic Johnson Blong on the list?

No. Ross Strickland on that list. Like somebody that you're not going to steal a ball from. Yeah. And if you see them coming at you, they got five, ten moves for you. Are we throwing Baron Davis on this list? He deserves to be on this list.

Oh, yeah, I'm definitely on the list. I created the Bob, though. You know, I created the Bob, like. What's the Bop? Man, it's the Bob. Duh. If you don't get it, you don't get it. Y'all Bob right now, show me.

Everybody, any person is broke right now. Show me. It's hard. You got to watch. It's just like, that's what I've been saying. I've been saying this. I can't say I create. Nick Man Axel was one person, and that's another dude that I stole from.

But he had a bop. He hop. It's like a rhythm to your dribble. Oh. Bob, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like more of a dance. That's exactly what we're trying to tell you. You don't understand. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. See, I wouldn't understand it for sure. I'm not a ball handler.

He doesn't be doing this. That's not really a bop. It's almost like, you're trying to get into it. You got to have some dances. It's like more of a boop than a boop. Boop. Boop.

Am I missing one other person? I lost track. I think we're at nine. We had one more. One more spot. No magic. I mean, Pistol Pee. Oh, there we go.

Salute. Yeah. Pistol Pee. Okay. You got to say Pistole. to Pete. And then I put on the brimension Jason Williams.

Oh, yeah. White chocolate. The comments are going to be screaming for white chocolate. Yes. Yeah. Okay. How do you feel?

There's a lot of good NBA nicknames around the league. I feel like you played in like the prime of NBA nicknames. Yeah. 2000s NBA nicknames went so much harder than today's. Oh, that's crazy.

So I'm going to name you some NBA nicknames from players that you played with or associated with or something of that sort. I want you to rate it from one to 10. Okay. First off, let's do a former teammate of yours. DeAndre Jordan. DeAndre 3,000. Who calls him that?

I've never heard that. I've never heard that. Nobody's ever called this man, DeAndre 3000. No. We call him Bam Bam. We call him Bam. When he was a rookie, we used to call him, remember from the Simpsons? I mean, you're not too young to watch. The Flintstones, I'm sorry. The Flintstones, the kid name was Bam Bam.

And he was like this super strong little kid wore a diaper. That's what we called DeAndre Jordan Bam Bam Bam. because he was a young dude. He was he was hella strong, but he didn't know what the hell he was doing. He was destructive. No, it was destructive. Now, does anybody use DeAndre 3000?

No. Is it on basketball reference? So I'm going to treat it as fact. Yes, 10 out of 10. It's a good nickname. Hard. It's hard. You like Deandre 3,000?

If my name was Deandre, I would like to be called 3,000 after that. I concur. I feel like it builds my street credit. You let me know if I'm wrong. I'm cool, nephew. What about Monta Ellis, Mississippi Bullitt? Yeah, the Bullet.

Come on, dude. The Bullet, Mississippi Bullitt. That's Monta Ellis, man. Did you actually call him that? Yeah, we used to call him Bullet. Okay. Some people call him Bullet, we used to call him Bullet. Like, yeah.

Mississippi Bullitt. That's a hard. Solid 9 out of 10. That's a 10. You can get the tattoo. Like, that's something I can get the tattoo. It's yours. Yeah, you know, it is, yeah.

And you got the Mississippi, you know, the SIP. Come on, man. Top to nickname of all time if you ask me. So what about Eric Gordon, the Hobbit? He confirmed this is real on JJ Reddick's podcast. Oh, no, no, no. You know, Marcus Canvey, Eric Gordon played with me at the Clippers. He was our rookie.

Marcus Camby gave him that name, The Hobbit. Why? Why? You look at the eyes and saw Hobbit? I don't know. You just saw it. him and called him Hobbit? No, they did call him in the locker room.

It just stuck. Yeah. Marcus, shout out to Marcus Camby. I think Marcus Campi called D' Andre Bam Bam, too. Wow. Okay, so Marcus Cambys, he's the one giving out nicknames. That's always giving the nicknames to the rook. That's how you know, like, you are.

Okay. How about Baron Davis, B. Diddy? Is that retired now? I hope so. Hey, no, the funny. thing that you're thinking about the 2000s was we didn't know what we know it was well it was it was boom dizzle first okay so that's the original that's the original nickname who gave you that nickname boom dizzle uh i think my home boy jelan mccoy and ryan okay but it was after named after

a rebox show okay boom dizzle so it was boom dizzle and then it was too easy and then uh Obviously, B-D-D-Ditty, and then the B-Ditty came when I was bopping do. So I was out there dancing. The whole B-Ditty shit. Like, I was out there shaking people. And so that was a whole, so that was a whole part of, like, the bop, like, having, you know, having, having game. So that kind of, like, you know, it was like, take that, take that. Like, that kind of happened here and go to state.

It was like, B-Ditty and the family. They was playing off in like the whole P. Diddy shit, but that's canceled now. I'm back to Boom Dizzler. I call me Bart. Just call me Bart or Oatmeal. I got a new.

Homeil. I'm a stick to hunger. I don't know what these are from the mean. I'm going to stick to on. Bart O'Mill is my alias. So that's my artist's name. So my rap producer, you know, go to Bart.Otmill.

Okay. Check it out. Get a bowl. We're taking this time to formerly retired BDdydydy. Diddy. Don't ever use it. Yeah, that's out. That's out.

Commenting it. Don't even think about commenting it if you're still here on the YouTube video. I ain't going to respond. You know, people still. They were like, yo, Diddy. I'd be like, yo, chill. Not right now. Yeah.

No, no, no, no, no. I'll defend your name. Don't worry. I got burners on burners on burners. Well, that's all the time I got with you today. Got to get you on to your next thing at a busy all-star weekend. I appreciate you guys. We appreciate you coming through, man.

It was a great conversation. Thank you. Yeah, you guys are great, man. Keep it up. Thank you, Matt. I appreciate it. All right. All right, don't. Love nothing.

I ain't nephew. The deep three is crazy. Five you did he? Another one. Another one. Another one. Another one. We were joined here by another very special guest.

We have Miami Heat Forward. Hi, I'm A Hawkes Jr. How are you doing today, man? Doing well, man. Happy to be here. Appreciate you coming through. What's your weekend been like? You know, here also weekend. I know you just finished the Rising Stars game last night. I'm sure you're doing a thousand media circuits today. How's it been? It's been hectic, but it's also been a lot of fun. Yesterday, obviously, had the Rising Stars game. We did some, had a little pre-practice media circuit, play with some kids with the junior NBA. You know, it's a lot, but it ends up being a lot of fun at the end of it.

Getting to meet a lot of new people and just try to embrace. race at all. What's the vibe like of the Rising Stars game? You know, you hear like the All-Stra game and like Olympics and stuff whenever you get all these players together. People talk about how there's like this culture of peers and everyone like gets to link up. What's it like in the Rising Stars level when it's people and you're still so early in your career and you kind of came in with this class of people and you're seeing them do their thing? What's it like when you like link up with all them again? Oh, it's great, man. It's great. You get to like catch up with them during, you know, midway point in the season. And, you know, just check on, check in,

see how everyone's doing. But yeah, I think it brings like a real dynamic of like a brotherhood within the NBA. The NBA also does a great job of like helping us all connect and, you know, stick together. There's only like 450 of us. So, you know, try to keep that brotherhood going and, you know, keep that camaraderie high. Yeah, across the league, like who are some of the guys on other teams that, you know, you've had an opportunity to catch up with this, you know, this weekend, maybe that, you know, you haven't talked to him throughout the season or something like that? You know, Anthony Black, he was one guy. We were on the same team for the Rising Stars game.

So we were chatting a lot. And, you know, he plays in Orlando. And, you know, a lot of us guys were talking about our golf game in the offseason. So that was one of the top of the conversation. You know, everyone has their thing they like to do in the off season. And, you know, golf's a real big one. So I think we might, you know, try to figure out some things to do in Florida, golf tournaments and stuff like that.

You good at golf, that's your thing? I wouldn't say I'm good at golf, but I know how to play. I can play you just like because I know a lot of people like they get into the NBA and then obviously like golf is a big like side hobby for a lot of people did you get into it when you got to the league or was it something that you were doing in college and before no I was playing in college and before I learned how to play when I was really little got away from it was doing other things obviously other sports and then COVID hit and that's when I really started to pick it back up you know not a lot to do golf courses you know a lot of social distance yeah Yeah. So that's when I started picking it back up and trying to get better and got fitted for some clubs and started taking it a little more seriously. But I mean, I just like to go out there and have fun. Outside of golf, when you're in college, what else was there for you to do outside of like practice, study, film, classes, and all that for you? Not much. Study. Not much.

Yeah, study. Yeah, no, I mean, playing a lot of video games. I think, you know, video games is great. A way to, like, just connect with your boys. What games, though? I was a big Apex Legends guy. Fortnite back in the day, back in college. Right now, I'm playing with my four-night.

Rivals a lot. Oh, you were true to this, really. I was actually that. What's your character? What's your main? My main character, I like magic. Oh, okay. Yeah, magic, she's fire.

Yeah, every time we see you do media or anybody talks about you in your pre-draft process coming to league as Miami Heat, I feel like the first thing that's talked about is when the heat selected you. You were so clearly a heat culture guy. You know, everyone talks about that that you were a glove and hand fit. That's why the team went out and made sure they got you. And a lot is made of Heat culture, right? It's on the jerseys now. It's talked about a lot. It's like the defining part of the heat. What does that look like in reality? Like, what do you see when you got there in these first two years that the team does differently from other teams that, you know, makes it so the culture is a real thing you feel? Yeah, well, I don't really know. what other teams do so it's kind of all I know um but I'll tell you this it's definitely you know a family oriented organization it really feels like a real big family and I think that's kind of you know what it is the culture is all about you know this is a family and you know the team you got to do it's best for the team and the family and that's really what you know I feel is one of the biggest factors only talk about the heat culture And, you know, obviously coming to work every day, hard work, you know, play hard, all that stuff. But I think just, you know, the real family atmosphere.

Requires a lot of buy-in? Yeah, a lot of buy-in for sure. So was there a lot of buy-in last year when you're a rookie when it comes to the rookie task that you're dealt with? Oh, yeah. I mean, I'll be honest. I didn't really have anything crazy. Like, my biggest job was I was on towel duty after the game. So after every game, I had to go get the towels.

you know some of my vets would you know send me on uh errand runs and try to get things for them but other than that or like carry their back but it wasn't it wasn't anything too great oh i thought it was going to be so intense like i was watching some of your past interviews and some of the things that you experienced i heard you say that you listen to or you heard your head coach spoh listening to zigzagler oh zig ziggler ziggler sorry what is listening to that before this interview oh yeah i'm ready to run through a wall right now Yeah, it's like some hypnotizing stuff. It's weird.

That's supposed to get, getting like hypnotized and ready to get to or through a wall. Yeah, I mean, you guys got to, there's only one way to describe it or, well, you got to just listen to it, really. I can't describe it for you. You just got to, you got to give it a go. You need some form of hypnotization to go through the intensity of being a Miami Heat Player. Yeah, something like that. Speaking of Spolstra, you know, I feel like he's commonly respected now in recent years as being, if, not the best coach in the NBA, one of the best, but I feel like he, I don't know if the NBA

fans quite understand what makes him so good, because, you know, he's obviously really good at adjustments, making the most of what he has and doing all these things. What do you think makes him so unique from other coaches you've seen and why he's so great, so consistently? You know, he's a very understanding coach, and I think just the way he goes about his game plans. They're very thorough and they're very like, you got to do this, this, this, and then we'll get the win. And I think his game planning is just off the charts. And I think, you know, obviously, you know, you guys aren't there in our meetings. Yeah. You know, pregame, stuff like that. But it's so thorough and thought out all the game plans. And, you know,

he takes so much time and effort into, you know, making something that we can all understand that we can all implement. It seems like he has like the best understanding of the teams who's going against so many other coaches. Like I know you weren't there at that time, but a few years ago they played the Celtics and obviously was really really widely talked about that they had like the best game plan anybody's ever had against Jalen Brown and they really blitzed him and really exposed his handle at the time before it got fully developed and made him struggle in that way with the turnovers. Is that something you see that the way he understands every other team in the league just like next level? Yeah for sure. I mean he you know he always talks about other teams and

you know how we can use you know their strategy for us and you can take things. You know it really is a copycat league like you know one team figures out something that works and you know everyone else kind of just follows suits and I think you know he's got a way of you know taking that a step further yeah were you prepared for the amount of different defenses you have to fillet under smoke when you came in out of college because i feel like that something he's also known for is you guys do a lot of different looks defensively i mean we keep you guys on your toes i don't want to say well how we do that but you know it's like explain the zones and all the great you know it's a part of it is you know just a chaos and just a mentality i think it's the biggest thing you know it's not what you run it's how you run it yeah and whether that's

defense offense and i think you know that's one of the things that gets emphasized the most is like you just got to run it like hard and in a way where you know the the other team doesn't even know what you're doing yeah yeah i'm glad you brought up mentality because when you talk about like the miami heat and that you know their entire mentality a lot of that seems to stem from top down from pat riley what is what is some of the things that you've seen from from Pat Riley, some of the kind of experiences that you've had with him that, that like make him look different than, you know, kind of what the, where everybody else in the league does. What was your welcome to Pat Riley moment? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I've heard some crazy stories about

him. I ain't going to lie. So I met him at a time where he's, I think, meled out a lot, but we've had a lot of great conversations. You know, he's just, you know, really, really down to earth and wants really cares about us players and you know wants to see us where they succeed um i i'm trying to think of like a specific moment instance yeah um you know i don't know we've had conversation he's just he's just overall great man yeah yeah makes sense um you know you talk about all these things all these hardworking things starts with pat riley goes to spolstra i feel like jimmy beller obviously also was so clearly a fit in there what other players across the roster do you see that kind of embody that same mindset that makes them

fit in the same way that Jimmy Brother obviously did? You know, I think Bam, BAM is one of those guys. You know, obviously Tyler, you know, are two captains for sure. You know. I don't think people will think about, like, obviously great players. People don't on the surface associate them in that same way.

What do you think is misunderstood about the personalities that makes them such a good fit there? I think they're just work ethic. I mean, these are two guys that, you know, work so hard day in and day out, you know, They're always in the gym, early, always leaving late. I think they're just, their work ethic is the thing that really sticks out. Since you've been there, what's been the most, like, intense practice that you've been a part of where I just left you, like, scratch your head.

What did I just experience? Man, I think it was... I see those wheels turning. Trauma, trauma, trauma. Which one did my pick? Yeah, no, I remember it was probably one practice. I think we lost a couple games. then he coach spoh ended up ripping me this is when uh you know jimmy was hurt and uh you know

i forgot what i did i messed up you know one of the plays that we were running in practice and then he's just ripped me he's like he's like when jimmy he's like you better enjoy it now when jimmy gets back and i just getting back on the bench you play 15 minutes i was like oh man he's that like very overt about it that's hilarious i mean that that was just one of those instances and then after he was like i was like you know he's like came up to me he's like i got i didn't i didn't meet i was like you're good man you're good but in your head where you're like yeah you did you met that shit yeah i mean i try i've had i've had a lot crazier coaches than uh spoh i mean my college coach yeah he was he was out of control but so it's another really

new for me i mean we have we have a great relationship so you know it's all good uh obviously obviously the jimmy stuff was one of the most talked about things your team this year. That's all over now. I want to hear about the moment that was captured on camera. I'm sure you saw on Twitter when you found out about the trade. What was that like when you being a employee of an NBA team find out the status of other employees via fans behind you? Yeah. No, that was the first for me. It was, I mean, we were just sitting on the bench and some, you know, fan yells in the crowd. He's like, oh yeah, we won that trade. We run that trade. That's crazy. I was like, what are you talking about? And then he's like, Jimmy to the

Warriors, Jimmy to the Warrior, then I'm just like, what? I was like, am I in that? That's what everybody says in your face. You're like, who got traded? Who else? So, no, but yeah, that was a definitely first time experience for me. And then, you know, we got the confirmation from some of the other guys and, you know, at halftime in the game, you know, you'd be like, I know you guys probably already saw and

like, we got to focus on the game. But, yeah, it was a weird moment for sure. I bet. I guess this is the first or really like the second time that you guys have had or youth person experienced like a teammate being traded. What like goes to your mind actually seeing someone who you've built somewhat of a relationship with? Just like going like that. Especially with Jimmy because it was such a big deal.

Was there almost a sense of relief that like we can move on past this whole thing now and see who we got with the new team? Oh yeah. I mean, we obviously knew he didn't want to be there. you know so to be able to you know move on from that and you know have a new start you know obviously he needed a new start you know we needed a new start um i think at that point it became a mutual thing um so you know when we got you know obviously davy and kyle wigs um you know just ready to embrace them with open arms they can feel welcome and kind of just have a reset and restart and um you know try to get everybody here on the same page to try to make something

happen was there a point where jimmy being moved was felt kind of real because obviously like people can come out and they can say i you know i want to be traded but you know ultimately until the team actually makes that move you don't necessarily know what's going to happen was there a point where you kind of start to feel like okay yeah like jimmy's probably not going to be here we're probably going to have some other people in in the building yeah yeah definitely and when was that um i mean you know I mean, I think, you know, we all kind of knew it was, you know, about that time, you know, the time was ticking. And, you know, he wasn't, this isn't where he wanted to be. You know, he very much made that known. So, I mean, once, you know, we all knew it was, we knew it was only a matter of time at that point before a change was going to be made. And, you know, just, you know, wishing him the best. And, you know, I hope that he's, you know, happy here in San Francisco and, you know, doing his things. What's your first impression of Dave Yon Mitchell?

Because I feel like as soon as it happened, all I thought about was that's a Miami heat guard. That makes you think that though? Like what screens like, yeah, Miami guard? He just, you look at him and you think slapping the ground, pulling up his shorts, ready to play some defense, getting those passing. Strong for no reason.

He's strong. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's incredible. I mean, I've obviously played against him and, you know, his tenacity and the way that he just always into the ball and always, always on go at something that's really a talent you know to just always be on go and it's it's a

skill so you know he's going to be great and really excited to you know continue the rest of the year with yeah yeah and i think the most pressing question about all that is like what is the group chat etiquette like did you guys have to remove jimmy from the group chat did you have to make a new group chat without jimmy butler like how do you how do you operate that with within the team i just left man he's pre he left okay well you can leave yeah you can live group chat oh wow how old are you I guess I'm a granny on this, bro. I have no idea. Yeah, you could definitely leave your chat.

Wow, okay. Okay, so he left, you guys didn't kick him out or anything. Yeah, I'm trying to even think. I don't, yeah. Yeah, he addressed it before it became an issue. I understand. Okay. One of the other things I obviously is very commonly thought about with you

in your early in your career. Dunk contest last year. Dunk contest in college. You're a known as being a dunking is part of your personality, part of what you're known for in the NBA. What was that experience like to the dunk contest last year? man that was a long long day yeah yeah it was I was not prepared for what I was getting myself until I signed up for the dunk contest what like what would you think what happened well I didn't

know that they were going to send a dunk coach out and like hello like I had like on an off day like I'd have to go in and like you know try to practice these dunks to try to you know in front the dunk coach I didn't know he would help me he was like to help me like you know try to think of dunks and you know creative so every every participant get to get to get to dunk coats? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know. Oh, y'all on, just dunk PEDs. You got outside help? Yeah, they send a guy, and he comes and helps us basically, you know, try to think of dunks. And, you know, he's like, he used to be a pro dunker. So he would give us tips and stuff on how to do things. But I just wasn't expecting that, you know, and, you know, we have, it's probably started off the day early just like this, doing interviews and stuff. And then, you know, you're on your feet all day. And then you got to go jump at the, you know, That makes sense. I never thought about that. No wonder John Collins kicked that plane.

He was up since his hand doing interviews. That makes a little sense. I don't play a quick little game with you on the topic of dunking. Obviously with it being something that you're known for. I want to name two NBA players. You tell me who's the better dunker. Okay. You can either talk about in-game or if they were in a dunk contest,

whatever you think matters. Let's start with an interesting one. Anthony Edwards or John Morant. That's tough. Wow. You got to go out. I was about to say you came off. That's like probably the two best.

Dunkers, in my opinion, in the league right now. Yeah. And it's pretty safe to say that with all the posters. I think, yeah, as far as posters go, I mean, I don't know, Jha has some pretty, I'm going to go to job. He's literally killed people on the court. Yeah, I think I'm going to go to John only because he's just so much smaller. You know, I think it's not that, you know, and it's not impressive,

but I just think at his size, like, to be able to do what he does and the amount of posters and how far he takes off from. Like, I was there at that game against the Lakers when he went up with two hands. And like, yeah, that was great. There's a certain audacity level you got to respect with you. Yeah, and then, yeah, and then he dunked over Wimby 2. It's like, you know. Hey, it didn't count, right?

It didn't count. I mean, it counts for the record. It may not count for the two points, but it counts for the, you know, for the dunk. We go see it in the highlights for show. You're going to see it on the highlights. I will hold down Wemby F.C. It doesn't count. Derek Rose or Russell Westbrook? I'm gonna go with Russell Westbrook.

Why is that? I feel like it's a hot debate people talk about. I think it's a hot debate as well, and I definitely understand. But I think I think Russ, I think he was like, I think D. Rose, you know, very like, you know, springy straight up, whereas Russell, he, like, can take off like an airplane. Yeah, jump and glide through the air. His power on dunks is. Yeah, power and all, everything. Yeah, I think, I think Russ.

He's at the LeBron trait where he just really tom-awks his shit out of it, so it feels really intense. I like that. Okay. So that's an easy one for you. Steph Curry or Steve Nash? I don't even think I've ever seen Steve Nash dunk, but I have seen Steph Curry done. So I'll coach that.

Hometown love, you know. I don't know if Steve Nash has seen Steve Nash dunk. Now I think about it. I think he's had like one or two attempts. And we found that out like a couple of minutes ago. It got blocked by Tim Duncan. It sounds like Steph Curry has to win. Has Steph Curry going blocked by Tim Duncan?

I mean, he's got blocked by Tim Duncan? I mean, he's most a lot of dunks. Hassef Curry tried to dunk on Tim Duncan is like... That's audacity. We got to find that clip. I'm going to play it in the edit. You guys and see, why did Steve Nash try to dunk on Tim Duncan? That's a different type of audacity.

What the fuck was he thinking? Yeah, we got to find that. Okay. Another part, speaking of the dunk contest, part of your dunk that was known is you had the Mexican flag implemented and you really brought in that part of your culture. How does that feel to be such a clear point of inspiration for people being, I think right? I think right now with the only Mexican player in the NBA, right? Yeah.

That's like, that has to be something that feels really cool. I'm sure you get told a lot by other people, by kids, that, like, that's very cool to see something that looks like me. Yeah. What's that element of your crib been like? You know, it's been great, you know, just having that ability and, you know, having that platform to really grow to sport of basketball in different areas and different parts of the world. I think that for me is the biggest thing. It's the game I love and the game that I want to share with the rest of the world, you know. And if kids are able to see me and, you know, feel inspired.

and feel like they want to pick up a basketball and do it. You know, I think that's what it's really all about. Who was like that for you growing up? Kobe Bryant was like that for me. I thought it was your dad. I mean, yeah. I already was like that. I already was like that.

No, he was great. I remember going to the pickup games, you know, going to the men's league games and stuff like that. And obviously, you know, he was a guy who, you know, put the ball in my hands and took me to the park and helped me fall in love with him. game but you know when it comes to like I guess you know inspiration of of somebody who you really looked up to in the basketball where I mean Kobe Bryant was was really my guy now that you're in the league like a lot of something that a lot of players talk about is like fit in situation and

stuff like that and obviously everybody plays your role who are some of the players that you look at to help you like fit in your role and then also trying to like expand out of your own show people that like you can do a whole bunch of other things who are some of those people that you look at to grow your game you mean like well i'm trying to understand the question like all my team like trying to help me or like just like just like around the league people you've watched you've watched like guys that yeah who draw inspiration from and try to model certain parts of game you want to improve after yeah um yeah i mean uh i think demartor rosen is one guy um that i really admire and uh you know you know love playing against him every time i get the chance and then you know

i grew up watching him and uh i was a huge fan just the way that he was able to dissect defenses and you know with his footwork and his ability in the mid post you know and this clutch gene and athleticism so he's he's he's one of those guys for me nice yeah and uh so you grew up watching damar i'm sure coming in guarding him was quite difficult we had to do for the first time who are some other players that were extremely difficult if you to guard that people probably wouldn't imagine would be on that list like not superstars but low kelly olinick kelly o'linic Interesting. Why Kelly? Kelly gave you problems.

Kelly gave me problems. My rookie year, we were in Utah, and I had a guard. I don't know what the heck for whatever. His like slow step just got me. I was like, man, what the hell? So that was one guy, like my rookie year. He has a deceptive ball handling. Yeah, deceptive ball handling.

And it's like, no, he's really skilled, man. And he was giving me problems. I could see the PTSD you're remembering it. Yeah. That drop step was crazy. Yeah. Anybody else? He's one that really stuck out for me.

I'm trying to think of anybody else. I'm sure, DeMar, what was that like? Yeah, DeMar, I mean, but he's a more obvious one. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he fries everyone. Yeah, I remember, I think it was a home game. I was guarding him. And like, I, at the, what was it, the elbow, right elbow or left elbow.

I'm all up in him. He does like a turnaround, shoots it. I think I found him. They didn't even call it. And it's a go-ahead bucket to put them up two points at late game. And I was just like, oh my God, I've basically proud you. What can I do? So far in your career, what's been the, what's been your favorite play that you made yourself?

Uh, my favorite play that I've made myself this year, this year or last year? Um, I say this year, um, it was against, it was the, against Orlando in Orlando. It was, I had a, like, a chase down block. And then ran back on the other end, hit a, like, go-ahead three. It was a pretty big three late game. And we ended up winning that game. And to me, that was like a pivotal moment. I think that was probably my favorite play this year.

You also mentioned DeMar, that was a go-ahead bucket, he scored in you. So on that topic, what's your least favorite play? What's the one that happened where you're like, can I remember that one? Didn't like that. I try to forget about those. So let me try to pull it back in the recess. I don't delete those plays for you. Yeah.

Let me think. One play. So John Rant flying to this guy. John Rant flying from the sky. Ooh, I think I remember one because I messed up and it caused someone else to get dunked on. Oh, man. Yeah. Who did you set up?

It was, I set up Dunkin. It was against Atlanta. I was guarding Jalen Johnson on the inbound. And, you know, I was like shading against Trey. was trying to go into the back court and I shaded too much yeah and so I think it was maybe who was it was it clink Capella threw it in give and go dunga was the low man and try to go over and then yeah then I felt I was like Duncan that's my bad that's not you that's me and now now now Duncan is on the highlight tape forever it was my fault so yeah that's on me

and there's certain guys that are certain guys that you look at next to a guy like jalen johnson And you see him getting dunked on, you're like, damn, that's tough. So you mentioned that you were shading too much, and that's kind of how that happened. I bet most fans will watch that and just think, damn, don't got, you got dunked on? Yeah. Because most people don't have a good understanding of NBA defense. Yeah. What do you feel like is the most misunderstood part that fans don't think about?

I think one of the things is like, you know, guys don't really, you know, guys aren't really trying on defense or like, you know, the effort. I got like, it's, first of all, it's so hard to play. defense in the NBA today. That's one of the things that I always say. Just the way the game is called. Yeah. Oh. From the refs and stuff like that. You know, it's just, it's just the way it's called. So it just makes it a lot more difficult for defenders to, you know, really be physical and without getting foul calls. What are the biggest, like, annoyances or, like, differences that you have when it comes to how it's called? What do you think has, like, shifted? I really think, like, the physicality um so like for example if a guy's attacking the rim like you can't really like

cut them all and like you know push him out the way you kind of have to like he kind of has to hit you and you have to just take it you know he can't just like there's no bump back or there's no like meat at the point and see you know whoever wins it's more like you know he can come at you and you just have to take it you know that makes sense yeah fans also like they feel like it's players but the best man win yeah yeah but there's so much of the new defense especially because another man yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean yeah like you know when it comes to like coming off screens you know chasing over shooting the gap you know forcing them into a switch to appeal or you know just getting through uh you know the big man staying or disappearing so there's so many

things that you know go into the defense uh that you know might go over you know the casual fans head and especially if you know you haven't played basketball yeah um you know it can be hard to understand what are the most difficult type of players are like offenses that are like to guard uh the teams who can uh you know who who move the ball you know i think ball movement is you know the best recipe for a great offense ball movement and teams who who can shoot the ball and also put it on the floor and drive so you know some teams are like you know they're not really driving they're just shooting uh some teams are just driving and they're not shooting and the teams who you know do both yeah you know those are those are the toughest ones what's

it been like defending the grizzlies this year you know they've been very different offense they run the lowest volume picking rolls in the league there's a lot of attack and close out a lot of driving from all five positions yeah i don't i haven't think i even played them oh you didn't play in the year no i think we got them on the next leg oh i was get ready get ready for the orthodox Shit, get me to Vend Salty Aldama, close out of attack. Yeah. Have you seen a lot of the conversation online about people saying, like, that the league should, you know, make certain changes to the game to either, you know, bring physicality back or make it harder to score, like moving out the three point line, getting rid of corner threes. That's something that you've seen online?

Well, I find it very ironic how, you know, the fans of today's NBA, you know, you know, you know, What, it's almost nine, seven, eight years ago. Yeah. You know, when Steph Curry, you know, changed the entire game and everybody loved it. Everyone was like, oh, my gosh, shooting threes. Everyone loves the threes. And now, you know, that's kind of where the game is gone. Now everyone doesn't like it.

It was kind of weird to me how everyone just kind of switched when you guys all seem to like it before. But now, you know. People want to complain. Yeah. You know, and I also think, you know, when it comes to like viewership and stuff like that, it's also, it's kind of skewed. I think the social media, like people just consume the games differently now. They consume it on Twitter on YouTube.

Commissioner Jaime in the cut. I'm just, you know, I just try to, you know, be objective and try to look at everything. And, you know, it's also harder to, you know, find the channels and stuff like that. But as far as like the actual gameplay, you know, if you guys like really watch the game, like, you know, there's so many things that go on. And it's like, you know, guys start. there are guys that still shoot mid-range and there are guys who, you know, still drive to the basket. Like, I don't think it's as drastic as people make it out to be. That's you. Yeah. Yeah, you know, so.

So I play nothing like to Montesabonis. Yeah, yeah. Like, so, um, I don't know. I think, you know, people probably got to look more into, you know, what is really going on. And if you guys really watch the game, I mean, you know, I think there's, trust me, I know, I've been in so many games that, That was a great game. Like, you know, it was closed back and forth. You know, there are obviously going to be some blowouts. But, I mean, that's how the NBA has always been.

Yeah, if you're playing 82 games in a season, somebody's going to get blown out. Yeah, it's just statistics. Yeah. Well, if we've only got a little bit of time left with you, we've got to get you out of here pretty soon to your next media day gig. Before we finish, I want to do one more game. Okay. People have commonly acknowledged the fact that I am one of the only Mexican podcasters. Oh, wow.

This is history right here. Okay. So I do what we should do. do is we should make the all-time NBA Latino team. Okay. Point guard through center. We can't do all Mexican players because that's hard. But we can do Latino in general.

Point guard through center. Okay. Who do you think should be the point guard on the team? Let me think. Um, Ricky Rubio. Ricky Rubio. Okay. Okay.

Shooting guard. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Sure, yeah, we can do that. Yeah, it counts. Shooting guard. I'm thinking Monon Gnobli. Does that seem like a good pick?

Monoio. He's one of the greatest of all time. That's a fantastic big. Yeah, that's a great big. Argentine accounts, that counts. Yeah. All right. Small forward, I think we have to go,

Jaime Hakez. I was gonna put myself, actually, okay. I was gonna put myself. There's not a ton of options for the position. You win. Yeah, thanks. What are the options for the four? Who do you wanna go power forward?

We'll ask you first. I'm trying to think. Oracea Lamas, right? He was a four. I think so. Was he a four or was he a five? He was a five? Okay, he was a five.

Okay. All right. I have Al Horford written down. We can play it. Oh, my God. Oh, Al Horford. Wow. Dominican works for me.

Yeah. Or we can go to Landreau Barbosa, if we want to add him to, on the smaller list and push everybody down. We have a few options to go with. Yeah. Does Paugas all count also? Yeah. He's Spanish. Is that count?

The Spanish. Europe. I don't know if we're, that's Latin America. Oh, we're having a whole new conversation right now. Oh, yeah. We're having a, we're having in Geopold. Yeah. If we have Ricky Rubio, then Pao, then.

then pow count. Well, that's what I'm saying. Ricky Rubio counts. So we're having a real, like, I guess, ethnic questions. Yeah. Yeah. We're getting into, wait. Do I count?

Okay. Wait, does it matter? Okay. Let's go out for the power forward. Okay. Center. I have written down Brazilian legend Neneh. Oh my God.

That's my God. That's a good one. I like that. Anybody else? Uh, I think that's five, right? Yeah, that's five. Yeah, that's five. Yeah, that's five.

We could, we could bring power. off the bench. Yeah. How I'll mark off the bench. Or, yeah, the Spaniards don't count than, uh, uh, um, uh, compazzo for the Argentinian. Okay. Composio. Oh, yeah, he's disgusting.

Dimer. You're not getting on the Latino list. Where you, wait, wait, wait. Stay over there, stay with there. We got out, yeah. You got your own list. You got plenty of good players. All right, man.

That's all time I got with you today. All right. Appreciate you, man. Hope you had a good time. Appreciate it. Appreciate your rest of your day. Thank you. Thank you.

gotcha again once again we took it to a whole other level and we if we put in another interview right honestly like i think that the hamill hamas hikas one that one was really fun too like i knew he was going to be a chill guy but i don't know it was it was it was chill but it was also fun and it was slightly nerdy as well didn't think that we were going to be talking like some exes and also hamihakis but that was fun yeah uh that's the one that the most by the end the conversation we got started talking about like the state of the NBA and how fans like view NBA defense and the misconceptions and everything and as soon as you started cooking with that I got that text that was like you guys had two minutes wrap it up fuck man if we had a full hour with hyman we would have got

so in the weeds it'd been such a good basketball conversation just like we said last week I cannot wait until we have more opportunities to do interviews that are longer than 30 minutes it's going to be great the future is coming the future is roaming and I sent nothing but better stuff for TD3 we have had two great conversations today that wraps up everything we have for also weekend no more surprise is coming those are the four interviews we got how how do you guys feel now looking back at the whole experience of doing these four interviews i felt good i think ultimately and like you always i like always had it in the back of my mind especially because guys are like younger and younger and like i guess closer to our age now than

like whenever we were growing up but it's so clear and obvious just how online all of the players are how much of like all the discourse all the conversation around like the league the team themselves, like, if anybody ever says, oh, I don't pay attention to any of that, they are liars. Everybody sees everything. So it was very cool that we could, like, have those conversations about stuff that people are talking about in real time because you know that they're consuming the same stuff in real time.

What's also cooler to me is seeing our evolution and just growth when it comes to how we have these conversations with these players. Like, if you go back in time and watch our, I think our very first interviews, was the NBA draft combine stuff and that was just like a completely different it was a it was such a hard task because we had like five seven minutes with each guy and this time we got to be we get to be a little bit more comfortable 20 30 40 minutes of some of these guys as well and like it's so interesting watching us build that skill just like actually having real conversation and like pacing ourselves in between ourselves when he comes to these conversations and making sure we can get the

most out of the guests but also having them like comfortable and shit too Yeah, it's definitely the thing I'm most interesting right now is that's just getting better and better at that because I'm watching these back editing them. I'm like, this is like you can see we're so much better now than the combine like you said. I won't say who the player was, but at the combine, there was one that went so poorly that I cut it from the whole combine thing. So we talked to like nine players. I think there's eight in that episode because one, we did such a bad job and the player just did not feel like talking to us. It went so poorly. I just didn't even put it out there. And it was a top. It was a lottery pick. I'll say that. That would never happen today. You can tell that we're some. much better now. I'm messy. He's so messy. He wants to say the name so bad. No, I don't. I definitely was a teachable moment. Yeah. And now I'm just to say, we're way better than that now. And I'm also feel ways we're going to get a lot better. We're still not that great at it. So I'm just definitely excited to keep getting better and better. But understand. We're in the gym. We're putting up shots. Right. We're waking up at 5 o'clock. We're going to any high school gym. We're getting up shots. We're on the road. It does not matter. We're out here on the road.

five interviews a day all summer you don't understand that's actually how it felt at all our weekend we were just grinding through a person after person cycling through yeah not for the week I'll say that but that's the end of the all-star weekend era of this season it's time to move on today to talk about all the biggest happenings of the of this week you know on these episodes where we have interviews it's going to be a little bit more chill afterwards I have six new for us to talk about today. Six of the biggest headlines that I'm thinking about.

I think we should start with something that is near and dear to Donovan's heart. Jason Tatum discourse. I live for this. Tom his favorite thing to talk about. I live for this.

Jason Tatum was asked if he feels appreciated based on how fans talk about him, how media talks about him, just the general you know, the way he's been talked about in his career,

he said, honestly, no. If you took the name and the face away from all my accomplishments and you're just like, This is what this player accomplished at 26. People would talk about me a whole lot differently. This has led to a lot of conversation about this, right?

People talking about whether or not Jason Tatum's gotten their credit he deserves. Mo, how do you feel? Because we know how Donovan feels. Jason Tatum is 6'9, played for Duke, high school star, McDonald's All-American, NBA champion. He's also an Olympian. You know, like his personal life, he has a beautiful child and fucking dudes and shit like that who has his old thing going on too. Like, I don't know.

Yeah, exactly. I don't know what, when it comes to credit, I don't understand like what it is that he's necessary looking for. It's obviously he's online and he's seen just a couple months ago. The Brandon Jennings of the world call him like the softest superstar in this air or whatever. And he fired back at him or whatever. I see that. I understand it.

I see where he's coming from in terms of like people don't like glaze him or people. aren't on his case and putting him as like the face in the NBA because in my mind he's literally not he's not better than any of these guys the shays of the world the lucas of the world the yonis is and shit Nicole yokes is of the world i don't see i see the respect that he wants but also see like bro you're just not there just yet he could be but he just not there yet and that's that's his problem that's that's his problem he wants he wants to like to be above Shea and Luca. Like I think like

I mean he never He wants to be above them I wouldn't use that verbiage I wouldn't put that in his mouth Fine fine But like We talk about Yokic And we talk about Yonis

In a certain class Because they've helped their teams Win championships right Like they've elevated themselves And they have been consistently At the top of the league Jason Tatum is also in that class And so like a lot of times

When we were talking about last year the player rankings, it's like, okay, you have your top three. You have Yokic, Janice, Luca, and then you kind of have a tier two. Some people, right, and even me right now, like, I personally think that Shea is better than Tatum right now. But, like, if you have the resume that Jason Tatum has, you've done it. Basically, since the moment you came into the league, you were a very integral part of your team's success. You just won a championship. You've had a good game seven in in in playoff history. You've

had a couple playoff moments like they're they're really like when you go on paper there isn't a lot that he has left to to check off. However, there we go. Here it is. However, like you know what I'm saying? Like this is where this is where it comes in and like this is where you have kind of like the quote-unquote eye test jump in and you're like I see everything that that you've done it's just not matching up eye to eye and it's not matching up with what I'm seeing and how I'm taking it. He said yes you've accomplished everything we could possibly want from you but I don't think the vibes match. I think it wasn't impressive. I'm with Jason Tatum. That's not no no that's not what I'm saying that's not what I'm saying I'm not I'm not saying that's that impressive. I know

I'm being facetious I know you're just saying it's not to the level of being a top three player he isn't quite as good, so we don't care that necessarily the accomplishments are on paper when we don't feel like you're just simply as good as a guy that you want to be compared to, right? Yeah. Yeah, I get that. I also fully understand Jason Tatum, and I'm with him. He does not get the credit he deserves. Like you said, his quote exactly was if you look at my accomplishments on paper at 26 and you

didn't have my name next to it, people would feel a lot differently. That to me is exactly true. Not only does he have the team success, right, him having the championship now to really shut that up, the fact that he was from an immediate young age been so successful and never stopped succeeding and was so successful so early that when he was like 23 and he hadn't won a finals yet we were like see he's not like that and he was 23 like we had the clock accelerated so fast for him because the standards are so high and i think people apply those standards but don't give him the credit that comes with that right like he's treated like a superstar in terms of what he needs to do

to get the credit but not treated the superstar as far as adoration goes yeah he he He really is different. Like, we're having this conversation now, and I'm like, maybe he is the anomaly. You know, you know what I'm saying? I hate that nickname so much. You know, like, maybe that's actually, maybe that's actually true because he is, he is right. You take away his name and you just show like a blind resume. You look at that and you're like, oh, wow, this is, this has to be one of like the best players of all time.

And I think that also the fact that also, the fact that like he's playing for the Celtics as well. and the Celtics have kind of, they are one of the most historic franchises in the league. They have a Larry Bird. They have a Paul Pierce. They have guys who have played his position and won a championship before. Like, there is a certain standard that he has to live up. And honestly, has lived up, has lived up too. I'm not going to say that he hasn't.

But like, you're just in that line. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're kind of doing what you're supposed to do whenever you get drafted third overall to that franchise with those expectations. You know what I'm saying? So for a lot of people, like, he would have to do so much more to exceed expectations and be like, wow, he's actually better than Luca. People treat him like he's Jalen Brown. Like he's averaging 23 points a game, just like being a secondary guy, this team full of great players, and he's not the driving force behind why they win.

He's just like, you know, plays his part, but like they'd win without him or whatever. And I don't know why we act like this guy doesn't have three first team all NBAs and didn't average 30 in a season. like for all this hoopla about him not being as good as a guys above him which is true he's like the fourth best player in the world and those three guys above him or fifth yeah maybe fifth because I forgot about uh shit I forgot Luca yeah so he's the fifth best player in the world and the four guys above him are like demigods so that's fine

but he's not super far off like he gets treated like he doesn't have like the raw production that like you need he averaged 30 while being an elite defender and took his team to the finals like I think he's done some shit more so when it comes to tateman is like his disbelieves of how he's just viewed i think that more so has to do also with this how being an NBA fan is and how most conversations are handled it's an ultra like negative space when it comes to every single single no no one is happy with anything people say the all-star games sucks oh we shoot them in threes uh everyone plays alike like there's not a lot of positive things that we that the community can say about so many things

when it comes to basketball and shit and when it comes to these players also too like literally every single top player gets shitted on to a degree people are here saying like she's a freak-dow merchant and he's playing he plays unethical basketball whatever the hell that means they're finding every single which is just not true also but they're finding so many ways to like tear down the goddamn game when it comes to yokech it's people did try so hard to deny his greatness so many years ago until he like officially became like a top 12 13 player however way you want to rank him people used to grow him be like yeah his defense fucking ass look at this but blubber boy blah blah blah when it comes to the luca thing like people try to crown him as MVP super early and it's took into his career and now we got the weight conditioning stuff and all that like every single player you fucking yonis bro you said people call him running dunk man like it happens to every single NBA player to To LeBron, it happened to him, too. So someone like Jason Tatum is not immune to that type of criticism in this landscape.

And that's what Joe – yeah, and that's what gentlemen of people tournament. Yeah. And that's exactly what I meant in the beginning where he gets that criticism, like he is one of the best players of the world, but doesn't get the love when things go right the other way to imagine. He just gets the negative part and doesn't get the adoration whenever he just does that everybody says he can't do. Also, wait, real quick, I will say to your point about Shay and unethical hoops, I love Shay. It was hilarious, seeing pictures, post pictures of him, taking free throws in the All-Star game. I'm like, that's the one time I was like, oh, day. Like, they actually got him.

But I think like, with, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. With everything else. Yeah, the Tatum stuff is also interesting because it's not like, it's not like there hasn't been a balance of both, you know. It's not like there hasn't been bad moments for Jason Tato. Like, he didn't, like, in the 22 finals, he didn't play well. And I will, like, I think we can all be honest that he didn't have a great finals. Now, the, what I drew the line in 22 was like, I'm not going to sit up here and say, like, oh, he's a he's a choker. He can't do this.

He can't do that. You had a bad series against one of the best defensive teams in the league. It's going to happen like you're young. And I'm not going to have that be the end all, be all. so now I do think like that's probably where people have taken a poor series and have pushed it forward in like in terms of like the discourse and then also some of the series that he's had at least like the game seven he has 51 points in game seven most ever it is it's unfair for him in that situation because the thing that we remember about that series is like oh yeah the sixers were up three two in that series and Doc Rivers and Joelle and Behead and James Hardin and like these legendary chokers, they choked it away more than Jason Tatum won it in game seven type. And that's the part that's unfair to him. But like if like if you go back, there are, there's just things that stick out a

little bit more from a lot of those runs where like for me, I think like the one of the best moments for Jason Tatum in terms of playoff history is game six against Milwaukee. They're down three, two, and he scores 46 on the road to force it to a game seven. Like, that is, that is Jason Tatum's, quote-unquote, like, crowning achievement, the, the game that everybody would point to you and say, you are that superstar, you are that guy. Like, he's, he's shown it before, but then it just sucks because they've played into May and June so often that now whenever everybody's watching, like the conference finals and the

finals that's whenever they fail so it just like that stuff it's a lot more amplified yeah tlDR for some reason he's taken for granted he's fair to think this but i guess the line is a little iffy because you we don't think he's a top three player in the world so i guess the answer is how much more credit is he deserved than what he gets i don't know but end of the day i understand why he feels this way compared to his beer more do you want for me i mean i feel like every NBA player and every being a star throughout history feels like this way to a degree. I could even pull back a name like James Harden. I think I

saw your tweet the other day, Isaac, which is like inspiring me to say this. Like, yo, he was genuinely a fucking goon back then and seeing him put up 36 or whatever it is night per night and have him put up 28 on the right-end night. That's a bad night for him. That's ridiculous to say.

I hate that Gen Z has ruined the word goon for him. That's what I'm saying? I was about to say. Wait, what were you guys thinking about? They changed the definition of Wait, enlighten me I'm like behind No, no, next conversation Mo is a gooner

What is that? Sir, I am a goob No, shifting off of Jason Tatum Let's do our weekly check-in on the main characters of the NBA The Warriors and the Lakers

These two teams I'm tired I'm so tired Bro, it's fun Fuck no Oh, wait, should we meet me? Nah, no, no, no, no. We're talking about that one stream.

The Lakers beat the Nuggets, obviously, a very great win. Well, it's been talked about a lot. They had an amazing game plan to stop the Denver Nuggets offense. They executed the perfection. They beat them. Luca had his first big game in the Lakers uniform after starting off pretty rusty. And on the other side, the Warriors, don't lose games anymore after adding Jimmy Butler. How are you guys feeling what the vibes are?

around these two teams after they made these drastic additions? Man, oh man. It's like when this first edition for the Warriors, I'm going to start off with them. When this happened for the Warriors initially, I was like, okay, like, I understand they're probably not going to be able to, like, threaten the entire NBA whatsoever. They're not going to win this shit. This team is not built for a championship. And as time goes on, I feel so much better about them.

Now, yes, I will stop us right here. Their schedule has been pretty weak. They face, like, not the most talented teams. They face the bucks without Janus, I believe, and all that. Went ahead and went against the Chicago Bulls a couple times, too. But when it comes to what they've been able to do on the court, their team has been fantastic. And the Jimmy Butler effect, surprise, surprise, one good player makes everyone, one great player looks everyone makes everyone look so much better from the stuff curries of the world,

the pods of the world, in all categories, bro. So I'm raising the bar on the wars when it comes to my belief in them and my stock in them. Oh, same. I don't, honestly, I don't even care about this week's schedule. Obviously, you take the almost, almost undefeated record with the grain of salt because of that. I'm not even paying attention to that. I'm just paying attention to how it looks in the specific parts of the game that they struggled with before. For years, this team has been towards the bottom, or literally at the bottom, a free throw rate. And their fans cry all day long on Twitter about how Steph has no whistle, the league hates us.

We never get our freetos, yada, truth of matter is they have talent that fucking suck the drawing free throws. And in this time, since they got Jimmy Butler, they've been close to the top. in fruit throw rate because Jimmy Butler is a magnet to the free throw line just like he always has been. That adds a new dimension to their offense. The cutting with Jimmy has been fantastic. The defense we got worried about because Andrew Wiggins was such a big part with their point of attack defense and Jimmy's old so we didn't know how much he could replicate that in like a play-by-play basis. Turns out it doesn't matter because he is a genius level defender and putting him next to Draymond Green giving you two supercomputers defensively to diagnose the defense is goddamn clamps.

Everything about this team to me feels so much better on top of the time. of Steph Curry playing better now with Jimmy Butler, you know, drawing enough attention to let start if Steph Curry get his game off a little more that, you know, we talked a lot about how this team sucked

and Warriors fans didn't like it. Now, they didn't enjoy our discourse about the team. And on Project 94 other day, I said that I think the Warriors are now a top five team in the West. And that was met with comments and Warriors fans being like,

the switch up is crazy, stay on that side, all this dumb bullshit. Stupid. I'm like, you're an idiot. This team is tangibly different. You can't change your mind? What the fuck?

I'd not even change my mind. All year, I said, this team sucks. I think they should trade for Jimmy Butler and they won't suck. We campaigned for them to trade for Jimmy Butler for months and they were like, don't give up your future for another 35 year old. And we're like, bro, he's going to make you a lot better. He is Jimmy Butler.

And what do you know is gone exactly as we said it would? I feel very comfortable picking them to maybe win a first round series now. I wouldn't, if I'm seeing a team, if I'm like the Grizzlies or the Rockets, I would be fucking horrified. Shiver me timbers. I will be scary as fuck. Yeah. Absolutely.

shout out to the fans for saying stay on that side i understand as a fan you have to come up with demons to fight right you can't because you're not on the court every single night playing with with the team right like you can't directly impact but how you can how you can show your impact you can let all the haters know it was us against the world you have to you have to do it you have to create some obstacle to overcome so that the final destination feels better so for the fans keep doing that i understand that you have to be irrational go ahead and go Yeah, exactly. But it's so funny, though, because I have to understand, but, like, the world won.

It was you against the world and the world won. They were right. You sucked and needed to trade for somebody. And, like, the team agreed after saying they wouldn't. Well, guess what? You hurt their feelings. You're on that side now. You're on that side now.

You're on that side. It's okay. It's a permanent op no matter of way. It's okay. Going into next year, too. I think that the Warriors, yeah, I'm with you guys. And we had, like, early, early on this season. we did our player rankings and i still had step curry really really high and you guys are like

i don't know he's kind of falling off like he's they're asking him to do a lot he's not he's not you know stepping up to the to the to the level which they need him to which oh my god he's going to stay on that side no no he's going to tell us to stay on that side is what it is it was an unfair level to ask him to because you got him playing with nobody who can dribble the ball four times in a row and like first of all we ranked him like 11 we didn't say he fell off yeah no you guys you guys did say we're not staying on that side stay on that side stay over there still there because you weren't ready because you weren't ready but that's the that's the piece that like that jimmy butler coming into this coming into this team

has shown the most of like oh my goodness when there is somebody else who can do a hezzy hezzy and not not even a hezy hezzy a simple crossover who knows how to dribble the ball knows where to where to go and you cannot put all of your defense on Steph Curry and ask him to drop 30 points every night from taking 33 footers. This team moves a lot better. The offense looks so much better and you have somebody else who can do something with the ball.

Like you said, these are two old guys. You can't ask them, you can't ask Jimmy Butler to play the same way that he did when he was 28. You can't ask Steph Curry to play the same way that he did when he was 29, 30, even two years ago. You have to evolve your offense and putting these two old men together that this is what happens

the old men just always outsmart you and whenever they have a little bit of juice left in their legs they can do some stuff so I feel very good about the Warriors right now yeah they just fit really well like there was a good amount of people that said Jimmy Buller wouldn't make the Warriors

that much better and wasn't worth making a deal for you know we've talked the length about the That might have been me Yeah Bozo! Idiots! But um I It's just crazy

Like Jimmy Butler's so good Like to not think he would make them better at all Like I think you said Yeah I didn't say that You were a little bit less confident than I was That like Jimmy is going to be a great fit You were like I'm still not going to take him too seriously Which is fine

But some people were like He is straight up not worth trading Andrew Wiggins for We do not want to trade for another old man Have you seen him in Miami? He's playing like shit blah blah Like what the fuck were y'all talking about Like he's so good It's so obvious that he would impact the game

In all these ways that just makes everybody around him better So before heavy on that eye So before this Jimmy Butler trade, the Warriors were 23rd in the league in free throw times. And now they've jumped all the way to seventh over the last seven games or eight games. The motherfucker's getting iPads are coming out with Advanced Analytics. I love it. You know, I said. I just noticed.

Isaac doesn't have his iPod on it. iPad on it. It's because I got it. I got it today. Come get it back of blood if you want it. Okay. Back to it. Yeah.

So before the Jimmy Butler. trade. Do you have multiple numbers for us? Yes. Come get it back in blood. That's crazy. Come get it back in blood. You want it?

Come get it. Come get it. He's got those glasses on like he's in court. I actually got blue light glasses right right next to me too. If you really want to get into it. If you know that, I can be into it too. But there are 27th and fucking scoring in the paint before the Jimmy Butler trade. And now, over the last seven games, they're 16th.

That's so much. better from what they were, bro. Fucking pods over the last 14 games. And also, shout out him. He's been hoping. He looks so much better. I think throughout the first 30 games of the year. He was averaging like eight points shooting like 40% from the field.

He's a completely different player now. He's so useful and so valuable. And he's back to being that normal pods that we've seen. Even Moses Moody, he's been given a lot more opportunity. Over the last, during the first 30, 40 games of the year, he was receiving like 10, 11 minutes per game. and then things are ramped up a little bit as injuries happened or whatever. But specifically during this Jimmy Ballard time period,

he's been averaging like 13 points soon like 40, 30% from the 3.1. That's just Steve Kerr not hating him anymore. Steve Kerr's just finally giving him like run. Like everybody in the world besides Steve Kerr was like, I think Moses Booty should play more. And finally he agrees. Yeah, exactly. And seeing all this happen,

it's like I see Jimmy Buller, he's a great player and he does great things. but he's not even at his best form yet either. His three-point shooting numbers right now are atroces. I think maybe those days are behind him. I don't fucking know. But he's so valuable and versatile and just like the simple archetype of player that he is and how aggressive he is

makes the world of a change. The part that excites me is Jonathan Kamiga coming back because I've obviously been vocal over the season that I don't think Kaminga is the answer that Warriors fans want him to be. Because before the Jimmy Butler trade, they were viewing him as like, this is going to be our next star leap creator,

the guy that's going to take the pressure off of Steph Curry and be the number two for him, right? And I think that is insanely generous to think that John the Camingo will take that kind of leap with the ball in his hands. I just don't think that's his game, never will be. What I do think is he can be a fantastic play finisher,

fantastic cutter, running in transition. He can hit spot up three, he should be shooting pretty well this year. Him off of Jimmy Butler moves me so much more than him having any type of like expectation to be a creator. Jimmy Bowler is a fantastic guy at setting up shots for others.

And I think now you have him, Draymond, Steph, to really, like, start the fires of the offense. Kamega as a finish off of one more, really good creator, I think we're in for a really good stretch once he comes back healthy. Yeah, this is really good. This is really interesting because now they actually are dangerous in the Western Conference.

And listen, they've been very, very successful. We'll see what the rest of the season looks like. There is kind of a path for them to get. get to the six seat. If they get to the six seed and they end up playing like Memphis in the first round, I'm picking them. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

There's like the hope that you have for, for Golden State now to make a deep playoff run is so much higher. The ceiling is so much higher. And you obviously understand the playoffs are all about matchups. So again, you get to that six. You play a team like Memphis. You see what happens in the,

in the next round in two, three. But like, it wouldn't be crazy if we looked up and Golden State. is in the conference finals like grand scheme of things yes to to go from a team that was yeah that was out of the playing to trading for jimmy boulder and then now you're in the western conference finals like that's crazy but just seeing them in their current situation right now it's not wild to say this team can do that i'm not going there yet conference finals but they definitely have a chance like it's not impossible yeah that would have built that would have been

crazy impossible. I think the Thunder, the Lakers, and the Nuggets should feel good. Everybody else be afraid because I think the Warriors might be the team right after that year. Yeah, the Warriors was definitely knocking on that door. And this is why I goddamn love the NBA trade deadline so much because

last year, the team that was in similar range to the Warriors, they weren't this bad. But in terms of like hierarchy was the Dallas Mavericks and they completely shifted their team, traded for the Daniel Gaffer to the world, traded for the PJ Washington's of the world and just

became a whole lot much bigger and they found their advantages and shit and seeing the warriors and also the fucking it's the iPad bro Isaac again I'm getting back in blood bitch he's really an iPad he's really an iPad kid like he has it

he has it in his hands now he's like oh my goodness my processing speech is updated but yeah literally that's a comparison though people might say we're overreacting and like oh it's only a few games they're blah blah blah blah blah You know, that could be the case.

They could go on a weak stretch now where we're like, okay, maybe it wasn't real, whatever. Maybe. But like you said, with the math, there's precedent for you can make moves that are big enough that make you just enough better in just enough areas that while you're not a completely new team, it makes you enough better that you're winning more games

in the aggregate. It makes a pretty big difference in your playoff hopes. And Jimmy Butler is a much bigger deal than PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford. Salute to them. He is a much better player, even at this stage of his career. So that is the perfect comparison.

and I think this can have just as much of an impact. No, I don't think they're making the finals because the other team we're going to talk about is still better than them. But they're in that conversation now. They're not soft. Yeah. If this wars,

if Jimmy Butler was traded to the Warriors during the off season, like I think I would feel obviously a little bit more, way different about this team because it's like, I think they'll be probably three, four seat in the Western Conference. But right now, because it's how much little time they have, I don't think they're as much as a threat.

I will agree with you. compared to the Lakers But they're knocking on the goddamn I think my camera just died Not died, it just overeated what the fuck Ha ha ha I'm leaving this in He's gonna recharge camera

We'll be back in a second Now for the other team we're talking about In this section The Lakers How are you guys feeling about them You know the Warriors are back up We mentioned in that combo just now That we still feel a little bit better

About the Lakers Who I said two days ago A few days ago Played the Nuggets And won them in what felt like a statement game they came back a couple days ago and played the Dallas Mavericks and beat them in what was a

hard fought game against a very underman team so they won the game they did what they should but the Dallas Mavericks defense made them sweat how are you guys feeling about them after these two games I mean I still feel

I still feel very confident in them that they are the fourth best team in the conference conference actually third I go third conference yeah Yeah, it's because it's okay seeing it's Denver and then it's the Lakers.

And I think that I think everybody else has some flaws that they're going to have to prove otherwise that, like, they can overcome. And also, there's just nobody else in the conference that gets the benefit of the doubt the way that LeBron and Luca combined are going to get. So I like, I like the Lakers. The Mavericks game, honestly, and you could have told me anything happened in that game. And I would have believed it just because the emotions were so high. It was a weird game. AD's not being there either. Like, it was, yeah, anything could have happened.

I would have thrown it out, but it was a good sign that also Luca came out, had a triple double, and is doing all the Luca stuff. Some Warriors fans were like, they barely beat this team. We blew out a few days ago. You're trying to tell me this is a better team. That game to me was a lot more about the Mavericks. Just being an amazingly coached defensive team, they were in their fucking bag. The defense was amazing.

they switched a lot and it really gave the Lakers problems on how to basically attack a really, really disciplined switching defense that is going to do a lot of switch and like not let you create advantages as easy as someone like the Nuggets would and I think the Lakers have to, you know, learn from that and like make adjustments but they're fine going

forward. They still want a game where their offense wasn't clicking, which is a good sign. And you mentioned that their third view. I don't feel like I'm that much of a homer for saying I think they're better than the Nuggets. I don't think you are genuinely. Like, I hate that we are continuously having this talk about the Lakers, like you, Donovan, like everyone else.

But they are so unavoidable because they just keep on getting better and better and better as time goes on, bro. With this win versus the Nuggets, I agree with you felt like a statement game because you've seen the, you've seen Luka Don't just put up the classic 30 points, triple double, blah, blah, but also we saw like different but also like similar defensive looks and tactics. that they've used against the Denver Nuggets who, of course, are a major problem in the Western Conference to see them have somewhat of an answer and we're able to somewhat like neutralize someone like Nicola Yokic gives me more hope in them and more faith in them. And through like the actual wearing holes in the roster, aka Jackson Hayes existing on this roster, them being able to figure shit out. See, see, that's what I want to talk about.

Let's go ahead. You mentioned what you just said isn't crazy. I understand why you said it. So I'm not here to say what you just said is dumb or anything. You see the glaring holes they have. Jackson Hayes existing on the roster. That was the most talk about part after the trades, right? Was that this team obviously has a big ceiling of LeBron and Luca and Austin Reeves and everything.

But there's no center depth. The front court sucks. Their defense is going to be horrible, right? They trade Anthony Davis while already being a bad defense. Now they're going to be a horrible defense. That's kind of been the sentiment that people are holding on to. I am still waiting for this bad defense that we keep hearing about, this mythical horrible defense to come about because I have not seen it yet.

This motherfucker's camera. Oh, he's back, okay. It cut off for a second. Yeah, dude. But yeah, he's too much. There is no bad defense in sight. They've been a fantastic defense since January 1st, even before the AD trade, and they've carried it on. Jackson Hayes, I did not want him to be a starting roster on my team's roster for clear reasons.

He's been good. He has not been a problem at all. Their small ball defensive units where they have Rui and DFS in the court together next to the three ball handlers has been fantastic too. Yeah. They are straight up just not this terrible defense that people want them to be. And granted, there's probably going to be some matchups where Lucas specifically gets attacked He has been good in the interior

Using his size, the rebounding has been outrageous He's solid rotating under the rim He's switched cheese on the perimeter, right? You can attack a closeout of his And you're going to get by him That'll probably be a problem in the playoffs And specific matchups I know how to expose it But like on a consistent game by game basis

Especially in the regular season They just have not shown us a single bit Of them being a bad defensive team And you know what it is I wouldn't Shout to Jackson Hayes. I just don't have much behind him at all. I don't want to rely on someone like Jackson Hayes,

but I will be willing to rely on someone like a LeBron James who looks like he's fucking 30 years old again. He's fucking rejuvenated and has all like this bounce again. And he's genuinely like the defense that he's been playing since Luke has been acquired, even a little before that too, has been fantastic. It's night and day. And then Dorian Finnis and the Jr., like, again, like I don't know why, but I feel like I forget sometimes that he's a part of this roster that he was

traded for this season. But he's like legitimately an actual anchor for this Los Angeles Lakers team. I think I was looking at, let me put on my iPad again, you know, my new password and shit. Dorian Finney Smith Jr. has a 1002 defense. He's not Dennis Smith. Oh, my bad.

I don't know why I keep on talking about Dennis'Ber. Doreen Phine Smith has a defensive rating of 102 when he's on the court. When he's off, the Lakers that have a defensive rating of 108. That is seismic. He's fantastic. And Rue Hachamor has played really well. I thought that might be a problem after they gave Luca that he might not be the best fit. He's playing out of his mind, offensively, and doing really good defensive work.

And yeah, in the beginning of the season, I talked a lot about how I've come to terms with the fact that LeBron James is not a top 10 player anymore. And that was why I wanted to trade Anthony Davis and really blow it up because I was like, if he's not top 10, you're cooked, right? The main basis for why I said that was defensively he was atrocious to start the year. He's been legitimately really, really good as of late. like JJ Reddick said if you watch close to over the last 15, 20 games LeBron's playing at all defense level

I, that's a bit dramatic I wouldn't go that far because all defense is hard to make but he's been well above average he's trying really hard that you know all the talk about there's only one ball LeBron can't play off ball

he's not going to fit with Luca dumbest shit in the world he's been fantastic off ball deferring to Luca he looks like not having to do quite as much offensively has helped him a lot he looks rejuvenated there

to put more effort on the defensive end zero parts of the LeBron James Luca experience have been an issue, I think, in terms of them coexisting on either side of the ball. Yeah, I think anytime that you say, oh, there's only one ball and, like, LeBron's on the team, it's kind of a dumb point. Like, that's something, that's legitimately something that we were talking about 15 years ago. Like, when they, when they, when he first got with D. Wade, that was probably the only acceptable time to be like, oh, how is it going to work? You have these two, you know, Alpha Stars, whatever. He's played, he figured out how. He figured out

how to play with doing wait he figured out how to play with kairi irving even as anthie davis he never you know fully took the keys in that way but as the lakers tried to empower anthony davis lebron was okay with that as well like at every single turn lebron has been great off ball so that's one two isaac i don't think i don't think you are crazy if you believe that the lakers are better than the nuggets right now however i still i'm going to however will be will be for the playoffs again still don't think that you are crazy i i i disagree with you don't think that you're crazy but because i but because i disagree with you i am going to call you a homer yeah fair enough but no i think uh so i think the leggis can beat them in a one-on-one matchup that i feel good

about just just because of who has advantages between those two specific teams i can understand if you feel better about the nuggets against a lot of other teams because i think we saw in that game some stuff that obviously only one game don't want to overreact and like make Nuggets fans think that's like cooked, they send no chance of being the Lakers. That's not true. Yeah. But I think we saw that the Nugget specific defensive game plan

of playing aggressive on picking roles and having Yokic trap almost every time so he doesn't have to play drop coverage. That is absolutely Swiss cheese against the Lakers because they have the necessary passers to just kill you picking apart that overly aggressive defense. Not every team has that. So I think the Nuggets will have an easier time

against team that don't have Luca Doshich, right? So I can understand if you feel better about them from that point. I think the Nuggets probably have the bad defense that the people think Lakers fans do. They're the ones that really don't have a defensive ceiling, I think. They really have to rely on outshooting you offensively, which you know for a fact they can. They have the best offensive player of the last goddamn 50 years in my mind.

So they can win that way. They have no hope of being a great defense, I don't think. They will not be a top five defense for any stretch. I think the Lakers against certain matchups can be a very good defense. Like, it's not going to look the way you thought it would. They're going to be this small ball, swarming defense. They're going to have buy them from Jager Reddick and be like all effort despite the lack of talent there. And maybe Jackson Hayes gets exposed against the right people.

So then you really have no center debt. That can happen. I can imagine a world in which they enter a playoff series and it ends and they have like a really, really good defensive rating. Yeah. That's a that's an offseason combo though. What would you brought up about about Yokic? We don't, we're going to touch on that in the off season. I also think like it's much easier.

And not to say that like in the grand scheme of things that it's. less valuable or whatever but it is much easier to replace a defensive um anchor than it is to to replace somebody who's going out and giving you you know an efficient like 27 a night right like we've seen we've seen teams either lose or trade away their top defender and everyone's like oh my gosh like how is it going to work and then you just figure out another scheme you figure out another way to play with the personnel that that you have and the lakers have done that right like you trade away you trade away ad one of the best defenders in the league and it's like okay good great defender leaves bad defense has to as to come and we've seen throughout the course of the year when we've seen j j reddick

show that he is a good coach that he knows how how to adapt and we've talked in every 10 to 15 game stretch about oh how the lakers look here how have the lakers look there and we've always had different conversations because they've always had different looks and it's because jj reddick and the lakers have consistently evolved the way that they have played throughout yeah so like so i from that standpoint i i will give you that like in a in a playoff matchup like j j might have the upper hand on michael i was going to say this this is the part i'm a homer in and i'll say this am i crazy for thinking he's like a top 10 coach already like i feel like he's a truly elite coach. And granted, coming in the season, I've been a fan of JJ Reddick as an analyst

player, all these things forever. So I was already on the high off the hopium when they signed him. Like, I was fully accepting the reality that I set for myself that he's going to be an ex-pat Riley. Like, I need to be proven that he's bad before proven that he's good, which is asked back for someone who's never been a coach before. I can recognize that. I can recognize that. Yeah. I feel like he's truly elite. I feel like he gets the defense. He gets the buy-in and camaraderie in the locker room, which you always need, right? Clearly this team is amped up for him. He adapted. He started this year off with the scheme one to switch all. It didn't go too well because they had Anthony Davis who's better as a drop. He adapted to Anthony Davis. They trade for

DFS. They get people to fit his ski more. Now they adapt to the switch all thing that's really working now, especially post Anthony Davis. So he shows he can adapt to the talent at hand. He's integrated Luca perfectly, seemingly integrated him chemistry-wise perfectly. There's really been zero like ramp up period where things look really ugly at first outside of Luca looking rusty. I don't know any reason to not feel extremely, extremely good about what J. J.J. Reddick showed us. Donovan. Yes. Man, fuck these guys. Everything got. No, I hate them.

Yo, I can't stand them. I can't stand them. I'm telling you right now, I'm going to hate on them, going into the playoffs. And the only thing, the only basis that I will have to hold on to is that they lost to the Charlotte Hornets. Like, that's the only thing. Because everything else that they have put forward, whether they have won the game or not, you've been able to take pieces away from how they are playing now where it's like, oh, that's going to work in two months. Oh, that's going to be good. And so the only thing, and it ultimately may be their downfall because we saw it be, you know, out of many reasons, but we saw it be one of the key reasons why the Mavericks weren't able to, you know, keep up with the Celtics was like,

how's Luca going to perform defensively in a playoff series if he's being isolated over and over and over again? And can he do that for three straight rounds? Like my biggest concerns about the Lakers are Luca's individual defense there. then, yes, LeBron has been given an amazing effort for this last stretch. When we get to playoff schedule, you are playing every other night. The games are intense from start to forward, right? Like, is LeBron going to be able to give you that level of intensity every single night? And those are the two things that I'm worried about.

And, you know, we'll see. We'll see what is that. I agree. I agree with you also, Donovan, but I'm touching back on Isaac's base. JJ Redd being a top 10 coach in NBA, I am so on board with that because it's so incredibly hard to consistently change, shape, and reformat your identity time and time again through the Delos of the world. Okay, you bench Delo Camry.

That was easy for JJ. Okay. Okay. Okay, Camerite's just starting. You're going to toy and experiment with fucking Dawn to connect on the goddamn starting line. There's so many different things. But through all these things, the recipe and format is put out. in the best way possible.

He gets the most out of his guys. I'm put on my iPad again. I think I got one more stat and think I'm done for the day. Jeter Redix mix of work ethic and locker room skills and X's and O's smarts of making good adjustments. Like, not a lot of people have all three of those where you look across the board and you're like, oh, so he is insane, he's smart and his team believes in him.

Who checks all those boxes? Probably like seven coaches in the league. Yeah. Speaking of all three, only three teams in the Western Conference have a winning record. Over 500 teams One of them being the Oklahoma City Thunder

I think I wrote the Houston Rockets And the goddamn Los Angeles Lakers are there as well And they just traded for Luca Dantzich Fuck these guys Okay I feel like a homework Because everything I want to point to None of the flaws that are going to come around

Eventually there will be rocky points Not everything will be great forever None of the Rocket is has shown its face yet for real Like yeah they lost the Hornets They were down like five rotation players It was the game before they don't care, don't care We can point to that and be like You bums, go ahead if you want

But that shit means less than nothing to me Don't care La Mello walked into crypto.com Said Luca, come here Ha ha ha ha I told you that's the only thing I wanted on to That's my only hope

Is that people can tell Luca To come here And they cross them That's all Yeah great Fantastic The highlights will look fantastic Outside of that

I'm meaning for these downsides To show themselves As the weeks progress My takes will get progressive As my confidence it grows So will the takes We'll see you how I feel in a week from now Yeah, you're the worst person

To have a good team Like I don't You're the last person I would want to have a good team Man Slide me some of that hope of you Man I need that shit bad bro I need that shit bad

That's funny We're looking sure as listen to our next story Outside of the Los Angeles Lakers I don't know if you guys saw this But we have to kind of hold the mini funeral a little bit for podcast P. Oh shit. What happened?

Pour one out. Breaking. Paul George is taking a break from podcasting to focus on a championship. Quote unquote, I want to let the podcast P family know that after today's episode with Dwight, I plan to take a break from the pod just to focus on getting my body right, mentality right, and you know what? Help this squad make a push towards our goal to finish the season out and give ourselves a chance to be in contention to compete for a championship.

see that's the part that's the part that's the part we're like all right brother i'm going to need you you're doing the right thing right in terms of public in terms of public perception you are doing the right i'm going zero dark 30 i'm shutting it down we're trying to make this push that's great do not push this oh we're doing it for a championship you're in 12th place in the eastern in the Eastern Conference. You know what I'm saying? I don't even think you can say he's doing the right thing.

I think it looks funnier this way. I think I'd rather you do nothing at this point because to do this bullshit, we're not even bullshit. Like you said, on paper, it makes sense, good leadership move. If you did it four months ago to do it now when the season's over

after you had that comment the other day where you called out your team for being soft essentially and people were upset with you. I wasn't. I think it's fine for you to say that. But you know, the fans were upset. And then two days later you come out

and you're like, time for me to lock. that's hilarious the timing is fucking comical the season's over everybody wants to tank now so you can keep your toxic protected pick like the goal should be probably to lose and now you're like now i'm getting for real about winning that's so funny i rather you know nothing and just go about your day he consistently does this though because he had he had he had a clip i think it was like in the offseason when he was it was like okay you know what i guess i got a bully now I guess I got a bully

He said, I'm back on my bully That's the same Burberry team Now I got a bully It's like, okay All right, fine Yeah, it's just funny It's just funny Yeah, you have to do this at Christmas

Not a week after the All-Star game This season is lost Your team has no more chance It's cooked and it's so funny What's the lowest you can be To say, all right, I'm gonna lock in Like if you are, does this work if you are the 60

And you're like I would just We're not gonna fall out of you know We're not gonna fall into the play in Are we gonna witness Paul George Set like a new president For like players of podcast And he said a new what

A new president My man You guys said president He said it wrong a second time I said president That's fucking hilarious Will we see a change When it comes to these players

And like How they decide to maneuver Where their team is at I don't know, but this is followed by Kendry Perkins going to ESPN and being like, talking about the roommates, talking about Josh Hart and Jaylon Brunson, where he's like, I think they should take a break from podcasting too. I think they should get serious because he saw the opportunity to get top of gold, extend the hot take and had to take it. I will say, not to take it serious, but to get out ahead of things. Because if the Knicks lose in the first round, I don't want to hear no big head jokes. want to hear anything about mic and ice i don't want to hear from y'all if the nicks losing the first

round i can't take it we're calling a playmaker we're demanding that show we take it off the air i'm calling it every day i can't handle it yeah so this is kind of funny like i wonder if this is like a turning point for player podcast where you know like jaymond green has podcast after playoff losses and got in like i don't know backlash is the word people just being like this is kind of crazy to do it with this level of frequency and this level of quick turnaround after like a loss and a playoffs in the game that is really important, you know?

Like to go straight to consumer talking to the fans right after it is strange because we'd ever see anything like that. Do you feel like this is going to be the type of thing that maybe we see other players eventually like right now there's a clear acceptance of podcasting right after a game? Do you feel like there's a world we move towards

like a little more tact and players are a little scared to be quite as direct? it depends on the loss if you get if you get beat by 30 do not put out an episode it's it's very very very clear it's single digit losses you can show up on the mic and and this is this is really where it's different is because if you talk to the media after the game fine the media is in the locker room you're getting changed it's right there if you put out an episode somebody has to edit that right Somebody has to put in work to make sure that all of this content gets put out. There's a higher, there's a higher barrier to entry for you putting out a 45-minute statement

rather than just talking to the media for 10 minutes. So again, if you lose by single digits, get on the podcast, tell us what happened. Talk about like the little, talk about like the small moments that people won't think about in terms of like what flip the game. But if you lose by 30 in the second round of more, I can't, I do not want to. But folks got contractual obligations though, Donovan. they got to get their bag what do you mean this is something you have to think about before

you have to think about it before you sign the contract business and media and let's talk about the always on news cycle and the need to have perpetual content to build a library of content you are a hooper you are not on CNN this is not 24 hours like what are we doing all right man so we'll see where podcast P goes

right now it's on hiatus hopefully it's not the start of a slow death of podcast P hopefully not it was actually a great content. You better not have guests on during the playoffs either. I'll really get upset. I'll be so mad. Next thing we're going to talk about, let's take a, you know, we're post-trade deadline

now, and I don't know if you guys know this, is the unofficial start of tank season. Teams finally, now, you know, there's going to be some teams out there that kind of the seed lay at the land. They know it's time to pick a direction, for lack of better words. They're going to put their swords down? Yep. So let's take a look at the. tank-a-thon odds right now and see where we're sitting at and kind of just talk about the

general landscape right now of the tanking teams in the league I love this game there's you know there's there's a lot to be had here this is quite interesting of the teams that definitely need to get as high on this board as they can as of today the number one best odds are oh we'll go tears because you know it's percentage based okay top three best odds for number one overall the Washington Wizards Utah Jazz and Charlotte Hornets just outside of that at four we have the New Orleans Pelicans then Toronto Raptors and the main reason I'm this at six we have the philadelphia 76ers they're now at the point where they can keep their pick if things go chalk interesting what else stands out to you here i always love on tankathon

how losing is in green and winning is in red because like losing is better they understand the aside me bro you understand as I was like the the six is on a nine game winster gets the biggest green

in there that's my favorite part about tank athong that shit is so common I didn't even realize I didn't even realize

they lost three in a row or nine in a row that's hilarious yeah I didn't know that's insane when I look

at this the biggest take away for me is like okay first of obviously I'm a hawks fan I'm like

fuck sad like we need a goddamn whatever yo Paul George lost nine games in a row. It was like, yeah,

I'm going to get serious. Yo, he's putting his side, his, his, like, podcast for your business, bro. Y'all lost for three weeks straight. And they were like, oh, I'm going to see that.

And he lost our break. So it was a month straight. I would love, when is the Sixers next game? I would love nothing more than for the Sixers to lose another game after locking it.

What is the next game? This shit is so sad, bro. I need to know. Nine straight games, oh, d'all. Nine games? Holy shit. And they're trying to win two. I see Joe.

Okay, they play. Oh, perfect. They play Saturday night. They play Saturday night against the Warriors. Oh, let's go. That's so funny. Yeah. So, Moe, like you were saying,

the Hawks are currently on projections to give the 12th. The 11th pick to the 16th pick to the 16th. San Antonio Spurs, who right now have 9 and 11. I'm sorry. I can't even think anymore. Yeah, so, yeah, the thing that stands out the most of me is seeing the Hawks, naturally. My Hawks fan, we're ass, and I see the Spurs get our pick cool, but also kind of switching tree branches looking at the San Antonio Spurs.

Holy fuck, they've been ass. We all know Victor Moryama been out, or he's out for the rest of the season. And slowly, I can see this team like fucking soaring. towards the top of this goddamn draft simulator, bro. Because the Chicago Bulls and Brooklyn Nets, the Bulls more so don't know how to do anything right. So they're going to be like their traditional seventh, eighth, tenth pick or whatever it is.

So I can imagine the San Antonio Spurs surpassing them. The Brooklyn Nets just like are allergic to being ass and they are like just committed to being a respectable basketball team. Some are respectable. So I can see them like leapfrogging them too. Who the fuck knows is going to happen to Philadelphia's 76? I can't tell you that But I know that the San Antonio's first

They're gonna rise up in this In this ranking right now Especially with the way DeAnne Fox is playing And I also think he's hurt too He has like some finger stuff going on Get that thumb surgery Yeah so I think they're getting ready To mail it in

And they're gonna fucking soar And adding one more One more highly tied Lottery prospect to this team Potentially two Because it's going to be two Because the goddamn Hawks pick Yeah

I need them to get to seven really bad if they get to seven they have a 32% chance of top four top four pick to this spurs roster as well as maybe like 10 or whatever from the hawks i need it who do you guys looking at this top five right now shit top six though philadelphia in there who do you want to see land number one uh i think someone i think i absolutely deserves to have number one it's either between washington or utah i kind of want to want to see Utah, like, finally have a number on overall pick. I think they're one, they might be one of the few

teams in history to, like, not have a number one overall pick. Should I pull on my iPad? I'll let y'all rest for now. But, um, I think they deserve because they have no fucking framework. Washington, they're starting to build someone out of it. It'll be cool. It'll be super interesting if New Warren's got it. But out of all, if we're being honest,

it needs to be the Charlotte Hornets. They have nothing. Nothing. No, I don't know. I actually do not want Cooper Fly to go to the Charlotte Hornets. I think, like, they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and in terms of what do they do what you mean how they untrustworthy in terms of it part of it is them the other part is that the mellow ball has like bad ankles so there's there's that aspect of it but i i would like to see cooper flag go to utah or

or Washington because i think that having having having Cooper flag with alixar and having having basically essentially back-to-back number one um overall picks like that would be that would be that be very, very cool. And I want the Wizards to be good. They, they, like, we've only seen them be at elite mid throughout our lifetimes. I want to see them build a base to where they can actually be a contender in the Eastern Conference for a couple years to come. So I would like to see that from them. And in Utah, like Mo said, they need somebody and they need something. And who else then, like, the great white hope to go into Utah and, like, save them. So I think, I think it would fit. I really want Toronto to get to number two.

and get Dylan Harper, get the best point guard in the draft. Because they know if they're going to build around the four duo of Scotty Barnes and Brandon Ingram, I like that. Emmanuel quickly is a, it's in the air if he's going to be worth the raw, the contract he was given and it's going to be like their point guard, point guard of the future. That's fully in the air. I want them to get to number two or number three so they can get either Dylan Harper

and get their point guard or Vijay Edgecombe and get that shooting guard in there. That can replace RJ Barrett maybe. I'm hoping, hoping, hoping they don't stay at five. damn that's crazy they're in your in your mind they're going to trade away oj and it'll be have these two other guys and then potentially get rid of both of them for for ogy but okay um yo also new orleans at four they're so interesting yeah that would be super fun they're the most interesting scenario with uh cooper flag because he is a power forward i think i don't think he is like you're going to want him to play power forward you want him to play next to a traditional five

and I don't think you want to play the three I don't know if people I know more than me think he's capable of doing that or not maybe it's possible Zion Williamson Power forward He can't play shit else He essentially is a power forward

or a point guard essentially on offense You gotta pick one of those He can't play two, three or five Yeah So I don't know if that makes sense To have both of them So if they were to get Cooper Flag The Zion Wilmson equation gets very very interesting

In my mind with a prospect like Cooper Flag It's 110% worth taking the risk in the swing Like at this point in time I have no stock in, not, I don't want to say no stock in line because he's been playing fucking fantastic basketball. Yeah, yeah. But I don't think of him as the future as much because you've been let down too many times before already.

Instead, I see someone like Cooper Flagg. I'm like, okay, I'm getting you. What can I do best to alleviate like the stresses and like the weirdness of the situation? Go ahead and get a stretch five, which they did in Kelly Linnick and let these guys, Zion, Cooper Flag, and Trey Murphy like rock out. So they're honestly like probably my favorite. Can we take a second real quick? Yeah.

To think about the fact that the Washington Wizards are 10 and 48. You don't think losses, 48 losses is? That's 17% of one percentage. I don't really thought about it. That's so many losses. 48. It's a lot. 48 losses.

Yeah, that's basically like if you played every game of the week, you're losing six days out of the week. That's crazy. I'm trying to think to myself, how was I watching basketball? when the Hawks were in those dog days back in like 2017 2018 like how do you watch basketball I feel really bad for those fans more no no it's even crazier to think about this

there's teams out there that I've won 10 games in a whole season and with 10 at 72 that's even crazier I mean listen that could be the Washington Wizards that would 34 they lose the next 34 games or 24 games I don't know I mean listen the the business did it last year so You don't want to be that team, but it can happen.

Yeah. How high can the Atlanta Hawks fall and give the Spurs pick-wise? What's the ceiling here? Can we get the number eight pick to the Spurs from Atlanta? See, I don't like that energy. I don't like that. And go, how high can the Atlanta Rocks, the Atlanta Hawks rise from this goddamn instance that they are in writing?

They can get to, they can get to nine, I think. Maybe eight would probably, like, something would have to break their way. like some teams will really have to like some some teams will really have to like luck into some wins in like the second in like the last weeks of march in the first weeks of april but portland again you see it in red portland has won three in a row so they're they're on the up and up if if deeran continues to play san antonio might be able to steal a couple wins and then chicago's always just doing the opposite of whatever they need to be so Atlanta could could do it like they're they're like a they're like a they're like a great young ankle

sprained away from getting into the eight seat or eight spot yeah i think we'll we'll monitor this tankathon thing weekly and kind of get to lay the land right now but very interesting this is like this is going to be very fun year of lottery watch i think with the fact that san antonio can add two picks the fact that rockets are going to add a lottery pick through the phoenix suns is kind of interesting yeah there's a lot of fake-ass like lottery teams that are here and i.e like the Spurs, the New Orleans Hornets, and fucking, I guess you could talk about the fucking Rockets 2 as well. So many weird teams that can get so many legs up in this year's draft class.

Yeah. And for what I hear, again, I don't fully deep dive into the lottery until like closer to draft season. From what I hear, this is a very top loaded draft class where the top like six or seven are elite. And after that, it's like, you know, not last year where it's terrible, but it's not, it's a draft class. Yeah, but it's really top-heavy

So I feel like this of the year You really want to get into that top six or seven True All right, I feel like Whenever we end the tankathon segment We should sim the lottery one time And see who gets the number one pick All right, let's press this button

Hopefully it's the second one Kings Utah against number one San Antonio gets number two From the Hawks They go up nine You can't make this up bro You can't make this up

Dude the Hawks handed Vijay Edgecombe To the Spurs Oh my God, that'd be so funny Is this person number two Do they pick Dylan Harper or are they not Because they have Dearen Fox now Fuck I'm picking me personally I'm picking Dylan Harper

Because there's There's a real word in which someone like him And Deer Fox can play together They don't step on each other's toes As much to me Castle Castle and Vassell is your benchback court I guess Yeah Castle and that's a deep

That's a deep Gargling Conval would start first So it would be like Castle And Harper is your benchback court Which is strange like It is so weird number two guy to be a six man, at least for a while, but listen, they're in a strange situation where they have this guy that's so good and they're

building this team. Oh, I mean, they also could take Ace Bailey, who would be a good fit, I guess. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. So many questions marks aren't him, but we'll know as time goes on. Portland number three, New Orleans for Washington drops. If Washington drops to five and gets to Detroit Pistons treatment, oh, that'd be sad. That always happens. The number one pick drops to five. This is very tough. Also, in this world, the Sixers fell to eight and gave the pick to okay c that would be hilarious it would be catastrophic for philadelphia not hilarious at all should be funny to me i don't give a shit about this so what the outcome listen as somebody as an okayc enjoyer i think it would be wonderful

i think it'd be swell wow damn bro this would be sad stuff though what that being said mo what time is it finally i've been gone for a minute it's on to TikTok time. Juiced up this, I know. The iPad. E. Nice. iPad kid time.

Let's go. Welcome to TikTok time. Mo has an iPad in hand. Looking hell of studious. Got his glasses on. Are you going to win this draft with your first draft with the iPad PED? No glasses on. Next episode, I should find these motherfuckers.

I really put them on. But actually, I'm ready. I'm genuinely ready to lock the fuck in, bro. I have the power of AI in my hand. The power of AI With a Microsoft commercial Rosed Wackass power

Anyways, we're going to do a draft today of building NBA lineups with only players who wore number zero Not double zero, just zero Okay So the draft order is Donovan, Mo, me

Donovan, no crime by how he never number one of all a pick Remember this day, you're number one First peak is kind of scary in this draft though Yeah, there's a lot of good players So there's not even, there's not even, I don't know which one's the best to have. It really doesn't matter because there's a lot of your players.

Yeah. Interesting. Well, okay. Okay. Where are we going with the first overall pick? Who were you starting your team with? I would like to build my team around the one and the only, the anomaly. Give me Jason Tatum.

Damn it. Smuffled. The anomaly, damn it. Okay. I figured you'd pass on him because of the hatred in your heart. You have to get positional value. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. I love that. I love that. All right. Speaking of positional value, give me someone who can play the one, two, three, four, five. Give me to Marcus Cousins at the five. Ah. Damn. There's not a lot of bigs here. There's not. That's damn it. Okay. Oh, that's horrible. Jesus Christ. I did not like be number three. well I mean shit I guess I'll pick the best point guard here

that I want to build around oop give me dame and then there's so many point cards I guess I'll just go firepower honestly give me Tyree's maxi I guess

I guess I'll go shooting guard that can get buckets okay okay okay I guess that's the best fit but the two guards yeah all right So

Where's that Where's that iPad taking you? Yeah, where are you going next? This iPad's taking me To a lot of places But the most obvious place To lean towards Is the best number zero

And zero history Russell Westbrook I did forget about Russ I don't know if I would have picked him or not But I did forget about us I thought you were shading Russ When you're like Yeah, you want to build around it

I'm like, I don't know if I would have picked them for fit reasons, but yeah, I guess I might. Maybe I would have him and Max would be a good fit. All right. Let's see. Ross and Boogie is a good place to start. We'll see if you sell. That is true.

That is true. All right. Well, we have a lot of cards off the list now that I have to now just for. But you know what? I might have to go through a lot of them. There's a lot of front court players. I mean, backward players here. Here's what we're going to do here.

Here's what we're going to do here. At my center position, I'm playing small ball. We're going with Kevin Love at the center. Okay. Oh, he switched cheese for show. Yeah. And then at my power forward, somebody who could do a lot of things, Sean Marion. Oh, I didn't even realize you more numbers here.

Okay. Okay. That's a, that's a nice. Okay. You got to get an interesting switchy lineup. I see what you're cooking. Okay. I like that.

I like that a lot. All right. So I got Russ and buggy, super dynamic, super explosive. At my two guard, naturally, give me Agent Zero. Hmm, okay. I was hoping. I was hoping he was going to be there for me. Nope.

Coming back. Okay. You're still okay, though. There's still so many guards. No, there is. It's really wild. Yeah. Okay.

So I need defense. I need role play. Give me Trevor Areza at the 3. Ah, shit, you took my thing. I was about to put Trevor Reza at my 2 and just have this crazy lineup. Yeah. Give me Trevor Reza.

And then I need all the defense I can get. Low key. Who's going to put up the 5? I'm going to put Arisa at the 4, actually. Okay. Give me Larry Hughes at the 3. Give me another good, all defense level player. Larry Hughes.

Okay. Deep cut. I know I hear a lot of whoos. No, the Glamas might not know who it is, but that's a good pick. That's a great defender. Okay, Larry Hughes is a good, good pick. Damn. I don't want to go with this.

Obviously, we're all going fucking small. There's not that many options here. But I need, I need something to counteract with all y'all firepower. I want to move Gilbert Arenas at the three and give me Avery Bradley at the two. Gilbert Arena's at the three? Yeah. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah.

Let's get real nasty. Let's get real nasty. This guy has a Russ Avery Bradley back, bricks. Whoa, this is prime every Bradley. What are you talking about? You're right. You're right. You are correct.

This is a nightmare offensive. You are correct. You are correct. This is nasty. The boogie holding down the defense of the five crows. Brother, you have no five right now. You have a backward of Lillard and Maxi so far. Do you think I'm done?

You might as well be. There's no going back. there's no saving you there definitely is i two elite defenders i still get to pick my five all right this five better save you i'm curious to see you here we go where i last picks of the draft my point guard i need i need an actual point guard so give me somebody who can dime people up i want tyrese halliburton as my point guard it's nice and at my shooting guard see this is this is tough because do I want to get some more firepower? Do I want to just add some? Jaili Greeds right there for you. He is. He is right there. But I want somebody who could do

a little bit of both. Play some defense and knock down some shots, which is why I'm taking the big ragu. Dante Divencino at my two. Okay. I'm putting him right there. Great role player. And that's exactly what we need. Prime Dante Divencenzzo. I like that. I like that. Understand. You need a shooter?

That's what he is. All right. It's what he is. Okay. I got a whole lot of buckets coming from, from Avery Bradley. I said Avery Bradley. You also have the opportunity.

You have the opportunity to do a very funny thing right now. Do you do a very hilarious opportunity with a very small man? Wait, what's the opportunity? It's okay. Keep your player. Man. I already have someone in mind. who'll want to slice and dice into this lineup.

I need someone who's low-key, not high-maintenance. Don't mind, like, not just a ball for, like, seven, eight possessing straight. He's the biggest guy who I can find, who fits my needs. Nikkela, Alexander, Walker, welcome to my private position. He's not asking us to me. What the fuck is this?

Yeah, man, what's your problem? I got the biggest guy in this entire lineup. What's your problem, dude? I'm not worried about silo so ever Not anymore you don't I got two scores Two defenders Give me the best rebrander on the list

All NBA Andre Drummond Why did you do that Why did you not put boogie at your four And put drumming at the five I forgot Andre Jones just to screw him over My team makes sense I win by default

I know Kill Alexander Walker at the four My team is super versatile though To be honest Your team sucks Who is my foregone against your four, Sean Marion, a reason. My team's better than yours.

No, it's not. You said who's your four won against? You have easily the worst player at the four. Sean Marion is so much better than not a kill. McKeel Alexander Walker's good at doing his job. It's not about being better. So is Sean Marion. So is shooting guard, not powerful.

I got the best point guard, the most effective two guard. I have a very talented, the best bucket getting Gilbert Arena is at the three. And I got to kill Alexander Walker. You also don't have the most effective two guard. None of that's true. None of that's true. Are we disrespecting Prime Avery Bradley right now? This is what this world is comes to.

I have Tyrese Maxie. I have an All-Star. He has never seen a demon like Avery Bradley. Ever. What? So body listeners to recap. I have Damien Lillard, Tyrese, Larry Hughes, Trevor Areza, Andre Drummond.

Shout out Larry Hughes, man. Larry Hughes is hilarious. Yes. For my team. I got Russ. Oh, go ahead. From my team, I have Tyrese Halliburton. at point guard Dante Deveninger at the two

We're switching Sean Marion to the three Put in Tatum at the four And then Kevin Love at the five Okay I got Westbrook at the one Avery Bradley at the two Gilbert Reins at the three Nikkeel Alexander Walker at the four

And I got big 28 per 28 points per game buggy cousins at the five Your team is trash dude Brother See me in two K with this team Your team wouldn't make the play in tournament Today's NBA. This is one of the worst teams

of the worst team is horrendous Andre John is not doing anything Larry Hughes is only so big Larry you don't know about Prime Trevor Reza that's a problem here you don't remember

young Trevor Reza who was an elite 6-9 defender Larry Hughes made an all defense team Chevrimi timbers Ball up Gilbert is looking at you in your face right now and two all-in-Bade defender

dude you have Gilbert arenas at your small forward what are we talking about you have I know the guy with Kevin Love has a start starting five is talking to me. And you have Tyrese Halliburton. Your one through five is getting Swiss cheese every single goddamn time.

And you're used to getting that type of Swiss cheese, too. You know why? This looks like New York Knicks is to me, bro. You got Love at the Five who's not playing no defense. And you got someone like Jill and Brudgeon and also plays no defense. Let's not talk about teams. We just finished a segment where your team was in the lottery. Don't talk to me about teams.

Your team have multiple binks in the lottery pick. Don't talk to me about team success. Your team can't beat teams over 500. Don't talk to me either, all right? I know how to do my job. And guess what? Your team isn't over 500 and we will beat you. So you guys lost in the fucking goddamn, what was that tournament called?

I literally posted a picture of you after your team lost just recently. On a random Wednesday night that no one cares. Go ahead. Take your moral victory. That is for minor league franchise. That's not a moral victory. It's a moral loss. What was last one?

We guys had 60 wins in a season. What does that mean? Oh, 16 wins in a season. Who's the most accomplished team over the last 10 to 15 years? Your entire franchise record is like 500. You've been, you've been made for your entire existence. If we want to talk about who's really, if you have no titles. I don't care if it's pre-merger.

You have no titles. How many all-stars have you guys had compared to me? How many different all-stars? How many rings do you have? how many rings do you have two back when do we have them how old are you do we have your age please sir do we have them you weren't allowed to drink at the same water water fountain as some people back then that does not count those rings are fake you're part of have you ever been to the finals st louis is cool all right exactly next next next topic

Make stop you've never been there You don't be there ever I've heard the stories We'll be back All right man Feels good to be out of these convos Have you all in the middle of Shut up

This guy I'm just hearing the mid off And I'm just like I want I got It's not my business I'm saying out of business of mid Fake man Next thing we're going to do. He is a fake fan.

Next thing we're going to do. He don't get mad when they lose. Thanks. I've never seen Isaac break anything after a Lakers lost. He's fake. I agree. Can't breathe. As you guys know,

Bleacher report graphics of quotes, having them a part of meme culture on NBA Twitter. You know, there's some famous ones that have transcended NBA culture even. I'm going to show you some famous quote graphics from NBA players. You guys rate them from 1 to 10. Let's lock in. It's going to be generational.

Mason, whatever you want to be to lock in humor, goodness of the quote, whatever. First off, we got Vince Carter. I got one more in me. Come on now. This is good, but it was painful for me as a Hawks fan to witness. I love Vince Carter so much. But God damn, that last year was horrendous. You're like, actually, I wish you had one less than you.

This is still 10 out of 10. That's all right. Is this 10 out of 10? It's so versatile. The photo choice makes it a 10. It's hilarious. He's, I got one more in me. It's so, it's so confident.

It is, you can use this. And whatever you are talking about, I'm more than 10 out of 10. And you feel the spirit from this photo too, bro. You do. He's given all his heart when it comes to this shit. He made damn near char on his goddamn shoulder with this. I got one more in me. shit, bro. Yeah. This is an

onk that doesn't quit. I respect it. Next up, the lights were brighter than expected from Jared Allen. Oh, Jared. Jared. Why did you say this? Why did you say this? Hey, he died for the meme streets, bro. And I love it.

He sacrificed himself on the meme cross to give us some laughs. I respect it. Yeah. Like, not a lot of people will, Jared Allen's probably not a household name necessarily, but I bet you, bet your ass, you seen this goddamn meme before, bro. It's generational feed families.

My kids, kids will be using this. It's a pliable in any situation. Sometimes the lights are too bright, and I applaud self-awareness. Sometimes you've got to know that I wasn't built for the moment. Eight out of ten. 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. The lack of self-awareness and the honesty in this meme is really what it is.

Because anybody else, like, you would know, I can't say this because people are going to climb me for it. Jared legitimately was like, no, the lie. lights were too bright. I can't do it. And that's real. That's what I'm saying. I have respect for him. I have respect for him. Knowing that this is happening on the other side of your statement and you did what you had to do, 10 out of 10. Everybody has a social obligation in this world. Everybody signs a social contract. Social contract to be a part of a functioning society. Jared Allen, your role on this day was to provide us with memes and you lived up to the expectations.

Player role do your job. Society. That's a professional. Great Samaritan. Next up, who the hell want me from Mark Keith Morris a couple weeks ago? No, this is sick. It's hilarious. This is OD, so forwarded. He found out he was getting traded to Lakers and he was like, they fucking want me? What the fuck? Nobody's wanted me in years.

It's very funny. I'm still going like six out of, I'm going to six out of ten. There are other memes and other pictures that you can use to get this point across. The problem here is there's no nostalgia involved for you yet. The time hasn't passed yet for you to see it as iconic. Once Valentine's Day rolls around next year and people have this to use, it is going to go down in history. Yeah, exactly.

Or when the next like role player requests a goddamn trade, they're going to, if no one goes ahead and bites on the bait, this meme will be used. Oh, next time, next time Patrick Beverly is a free agent. This is going to have some use. Or announced, yeah, when he announced his return to the NBA, bro, this is going to be spam, guaranteed. Next time Isaiah Thomas tries out for a team

This is going to get some use Not too much, not too much Leave him alone Leave him alone I'm just saying They gave up on them They gave up on them Leave him alone, leave him alone

Seven out of ten But it's going to rise up the ranks pretty fast Next up What happened to the game I love Mark Jackson This is a 12 out of 10 I quote this I quote this on a daily basis

Right You have to see In no matter what aspect of your life, whether if it's sports, just relationships, cooking, anything, clothing, anything that is not, anything that is different from what it once was, you can look at it and just says, what happened to the game I love? This is the perfect uncameme, bro. This is for all the nostalgia merchants in the world like you.

This will be applicable forever. That's what I'm saying. It connects with its audience. And that's why I love it. I have no clue what the original context was this. That's why I like it even more. I don't know what game he loved and what happened to that game.

But it's eternal. Yes. All I know is that I don't know what happened to the game that I love. All I know is that we lost recipes and nothing is the same. And now we're here. He just keeps on rolling about it.

Next up. It's not as big as I expected. Oh, you're a little out of 10, bro. What the hell are we talking about? Sometimes shit just be disappointingly small. It's not large. You expect a certain size and then it's smaller. I could get a Big Mac.

You hear the name Big Mac and you think it's going to fill you up, but it's not. Or when you get a... Listen, listen. That shrinkflation is real. Thank you. Man, I went to... I'm glad you said this. I went to Keynes the other day.

I was going to Cainz. I was going to Cainz. I got a box combo. Chicken strips were small. Oh, my goodness. They used to be eight inches. They used to be long. And now there's a shrimp.

They were actual chicken strips. And I, for real, I opened that box. And I was like, these strips are not as big as I expected. So honestly, in terms of like real life application, what, eight out of ten? I'm wrong with that. This happened. Who amongst us has not been disappointed by size? Cains, we're coming for you, all right?

You better make them strips bigger, canes. Next time, we got Shaq saying, you can't fool me. I'm familiar with your game. Again, this is a 10 out of 10, bro. This is like Shaq coming into like consciousness. near it turns on it all started connecting i love this one because i can fully imagine jack saying it yeah i'm familiar with your game you can't fool me i'm familiar with your game

this one has a lot of use a lot of use for this one bro just another icon of check moment probably probably an eight out of ten for me because the original of i'm sorry i wasn't familiar with your game. That's, that's 10 out of 10. Okay, that's the better one. This is the rendition. It's hard for the sequel to be better than the original. Really? Okay. Fair enough. I feel like this might be one of those cases though. You can't fool me. I'm familiar with your game, bro. This just shows you like you've been around the way you've been through it. You've been fooled multiple times throughout your life time period, bro. Been around the block a few times. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I like this. I like this a lot. You bear use. Okay. Last night, I was so devastated. I

couldn't even tweet. The picture of him crying makes this so fucking funny. For the online community, it's a 10 out of 10. For everybody else is like 5 out of 10 because it's like, I may not be tweeting. But if you are online, if you are on NBA Twitter and your team goes through a painful loss, you, ah, where's it from? I have crying about that's what I was saying. I don't know.

You don't know the context. I mean, I hope it's not Last night, I was so dead I hope it's not what I Fucking I was gonna say the thing I hope it's not that Why you like this man

It can be It can be It can be It can be It's okay It was Okay so he tweeted this Uh

Please No So he tweeted this In April of 2024 He said Yeah Whole tweet was last night I was so devastated

I couldn't even tweet an unbelievable shot by Jamal Murray and an outstanding comeback by the Nuggets. I was like, I know it's not as old as you were implying. Dramatic ass tweet, bro, for what? You think they were making a graphic for something that was said in the 90s?

That's not what I thought. Yeah, anyways. Yeah, we don't have time much. I was thinking 2020. This is hilarious. Sometimes you got to be dramatic. Sometimes you need a vehicle to be dramatic. Oh, that would be crazy.

That would be crazy. that'll be insane And I'm just clicked You're so slow Because I was going to Listen There's something When you talk about Magic Johnson

There's something that you don't say There's something that you don't say I thought we were going to the original Don't talk about that You think the wrong Canon events I thought we were going to the original Not the second one

And I was like They didn't even have Twitter Like why would you even say it? So I thought I was confused. My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad. I'm sorry. I messed up.

I'll lock in. I'll lock it. All right, next one. Fuck it. Maybe I am washed by Pat Riley. Yo, I love self-realization, bro. It's okay to realize, like, when your time might be up. Did he make this after, like, they failed at getting Damien Lillard?

I believe so. No, this was early in the process of Jimmy Butler stuff where they asked them, like, what do you think of the allegations that you might be washed, essentially, that maybe your time has passed. He's like, maybe I am. Yo, the man's 81 years old. Yeah, he's washed, man. No, he mentioned this. And it's okay. It was followed up by it was like, he's like sarcastic a little bit. He's that same man washed. Of course. But he was he being an asshole. But we don't know that. We don't know that in this. All we see is maybe I am washed. So to me

it sounds like self-awareness like, oh, I was not going to say unk, but it's not even unk anymore. Like a grandpa realization. Yeah. In the polls. Two is a 10 out of 10 because it's like, damn, he's like tracing all the recent events that confirms like, yo, like he actually might be washed. Oh shit, it's all making sense. I'll give this one a solid 7 out of 10. Same.

Okay. Next one. Oh, wrong way. It felt like I was descending into the depths of hell. This is what will happen to me if the San Antonio Spurs get a 3-pick via the Hawks. swear to God, I won't be on this pot for like a month. POV, you're me watching Russell Westbrook on the Lakers in January,

2023. I think the usability of this is 5 out of 10 because the depth is fucking scary. Yeah, it's not that applicable. I love this one. It's very dramatic and the internet is known for being dramatic. So in that sense, it is a 7 out of 10. But also, it's, I'll go like 6 out of 10.

I don't I don't I don't feel like this would be my go to see y'all just aren't real sufferers you guys just haven't descended to the depths of hell yourself you guys haven't been through you guys haven't been through the pain necessary I'm sorry brother you haven't been traumatized by a watch superstar making 40 million dollars a year I don't been through what I've been depth of hell what are we talking about right now that's putting it lightly I wanted to never watch sports again for three two years I stay braided brother I can't sign up for this I'm okay oh my shata I'm fine next up that was a masterpiece of dog shit by will hardy it's it sounds like he just

like figured out how to curse because it's a weird it's a weird phrase yeah i love this one masterpiece of dog shit it's it's it's will hardy so it's not that usable it's not that recognizable also are you crazy anytime a bad album drops you quote it next time tory lane's drops or some other whack artist you quote it That was a masterpiece of dog shit? This is amazing. It's a bar, but I think it's the delivery. Wait, wait, wait, talk about, talk about, time.

Keep saying that sentence, but instead of toy lanes, just keep saying different artists. Next time. I can't think of any more whack artists. Why, why do you say that? You want to see what I think of? Yeah. Next time, Drake and party next door, that's that bullshit. No, I don't know.

But any time, a plop stinker happens, someone drops a disgusting stateline. Masterpiece of dog shit. There's a lot of times in this life where you can reference something being a masterpiece of dog shit. Yeah. That's true. I just feel like he doesn't have

enough disgust in this graphic. That's all. Not a good photo choice. Okay. Yeah, gotta be more, you know? Okay. He needs more of a scowl. Next up we got Anthony Edwards.

When things get hard, I get harder. What are we talking about right now? Wait, sometimes you got a rise to the occasion. Some things are hard. Some obstacles in life are stiff. You've got to get stiffered. Stop that. And nobody understands that more than Anthony Edwards. Sometimes you've got to rise to the occasion and just go straight up. This is the bar, but this doesn't. Man, it's going from the wrong person. It doesn't lie with Andy Edwards, bro. I mean, it aligns too well. It's too real for him, bro. It's too difficult. It's too hard. Say, brother, we get it. God damn. Too hard.

to relax sometimes god damn take a shower man calm down rid of butt holy shit

oh good other hobbies man damn 10 at 10 I don't care get other hobby next up he's broke

and unemployed he's broke and unemployed he's broke and unemployed Bobo What possessive to say this Someone on Twitter There's very little

There's very little stuff That can sting Like get a job Yeah Pay your water bill Oh man Good job grouch Yo Bobo

Lokey got some quotes There's another one I don't know if it's up here But Bobo also said I think it was some victory woman y'all misha heels like y'all dick rider bro i get it some shit this is a 10 out of 10 though because it hurts especially if it's a little bit of truth it does shit broke and unemployed just a direct insult this is hilarious yeah no job no money he's bit of bums since 86 terrible

I don't know my purpose here by jake crowd man that's that's just real he just Introspection. He just didn't know what was going on. To this day, he probably doesn't know what was going on. If he said this on like a jazz album produced by a, produced by Augustus, 10 out of 10 classic album, you know what I'm saying? Oh my gosh. The relatability of man.

The longing for purpose. 10 out of 10s. This is a 10 out of 10. It sounds poetic. I like it. He's walking through a rainy night, looking to this guys, howling to the moon. Just drop both feet staring at the sky. Damn.

Kevin Durant, let me die out there. This is the man who's serious about his buckets, bro. I respect it. I respect it, too. Nobody's ever cared more about the buckets than Kevin Durant in this moment. Nobody. I can't use this meme like that because it's like, let me die out there. You don't want to die.

Where's out there? So it's like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, like out there needs to be specified. Yeah, exactly. In terms of the war behind this, it's real stories. Last but not at least, we got Joelle and Bede.

This is not a robbery. They always kick our ass. Again, very real. Very, very real. You can't have a one-sided robbery. Because at some point, like, it's just hand on the face. I'm mushing you.

I'm keeping you at arms. Yeah. It's more tortured than a rivalry. But the quote, assault. I'm going eight out of ten. Okay. I like that.

It's a 10 out of 10 to me. He's been real since day one. He honestly knows what it is, knows his team abilities, capabilities. They begin their assholes since God knows how long, up until this day. Real. He's too real. They hate him for it. Yeah.

They can't handle his level of ruinness. And that's the end of this. That's all the quotes I got for you today. Next thing we're going to do, you know, the 2021 NBA draft class has been in the news lately. as people are trying to realize how monstrously loaded it is there is just a ridiculous amount of good players probably four or five people

are going to be All-Stars by the time it's all set and done it's already at four so today what I want to do is we're going to do a 2021 NBA redraft and how we're going to do it is we're going to take turns making picks so we're not going to come to consensus

I'll pick first overall Donovan second Mo third and so forth we'll take turns until we have a full top 10 okay cool so full top 10 so we'll see who fucks it up If somebody fucks it up, we will let him hear about it. Let's do it, man.

This is my bad. Well, I'll start off with the first pick. I'm happy to say, Cade Cunningham has dethrone Evan Mobley. He once again goes number one. Mm. Finally, I can say it this year. He is once again back on top. Yes, the Cade Cunningham leap has been beautiful to see.

Shout out to all of Detroit. We'd love to see it. Bro, there are real conversations. Folks over here trying to tell me that Scotty Barnes is better. Not anymore. That sentence will never be uttered. out of anyone's mouth ever again never I never wanted to believe it but that means that at number two we will take every moment naturally you gotta go him number two okay that's not

even hard to me that's clear cut one and two okay I think it's more debatable especially coming from that's like crazy coming zero zero debates if you if these conversations are completely different just the last year bro like you are over here saying obviously shit doesn't changed. That was last year. This is not the old days. MMOV is way better this year. He's playing an all NBA level. I ringed him at 30 in our December power rankings, I mean, player rankings, closer to 20 these days.

Absolutely. But I will say, what do you need to see from Scottie Barnes? Like, this conversation just isn't dead, though. Like, I don't think it's this easier with Army. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Pick you number three first. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Scottie Barnes.

Three, Scotty Barnes is easy, clear as day. Oh. Tripp. I am going number four, who I think should be. number three, Franz Wagner. Thank you. Oh.

I think Franz Wagner and Mowgli have both lapsed Scottie Barnes this year. I agree. That's what I thought. What's a great pick? Okay. That's a great pick.

I said on that. I fucked up that one. It's not crazy though. Scotty should probably be number four. Scottie's an all-star, so he has that. Yeah, it's not insane. But Franz,

I am all in on him. Okay. That's a fair one to be all-in-on-on. All-Mond, who's number five? Another all-star. We will take Sang-Goon. That's fair. I'm sure Rockets fans want to see him go higher,

but I'm very comfortable with him at 5. Hmm. Rockins fans want to see him go higher, but I'm very comfortable with him. It was the right pick, I believe. He was my six as well. Okay. I'm going to go ceiling as well for number seven. Give me Trey Murphy.

Great pick. We locked in. Okay, so this one's tough. This one's tough at eight. I have, I have two names. It's tough. I have two names. This is the hardest pick because there's like four names you can pick from right now.

And, uh, see, this is tough. This is tough. Because on one hand, there's two elite defenders and two great bucket getters left. And you know what? I'm going to go with the guy who can be all defense and has shown a leap in his shooting as well. Give me Jalen Suggs.

Oh, that's not where I thought you were going. Okay. Okay. I like that. Jayland Sugs. All right, I think I'm going to lean towards another great defender, give me Herb Jones.

Yeah, I thought her to go over Sugs. No, I think I'd rather have, Suggs for now because it's very it's very hard yeah it's very hard I heard her made a leap with his shooting last year but I think I think like the first 20 games of this season and like again it's like the whole season was lost for the Pelican so whatever but I think that the shooting leap that we've seen from Suggs is a little bit more real and I trust it a little bit more so I think I would take him over Herb Jones but it's but it's hard at 10 I know sometimes people like to admit this guy because he wasn't drafted, don't

care, we're going Austin Reeves. If you redo it, he is 100% going in top 10. Wow, you'd rather That's crazy. Jaylen Green outside the top 10. Yeah, easily. Sorry. It sucks to say, and it's shocking, but God damn, bro.

If you were the Lakers, would you trade, Austin Reeves won't for more for Jayland Green today? No. No, I would not. Hell, no, you wouldn't. Does Austin Reeves deserve to go higher on this list, though? I would have put him at 8. actually i don't know sucks in herbjohn is that's tough

he's older it's it's about it's about i forget austin reeves is older 8 to 10 is the range you can go I'm fine with 10 but he can 8 is the high as you can put him I think yeah he does he yeah he can't he's not touching trey murphy

conversations just yet well i mean he's currently better than but tray is like making that leap now that like i think trey's gonna keep getting better yeah he's like trade tray murphy could i actually be there's a real case and scenario that tray murphy's gonna be an all star next year

That would not surprise me in the slightest. But, I mean, is Jalen Johnson better than Austin Rees right now? I don't know. Like, but it's an H thing. It's also like, and all I'm hearing is Rees can be six. That's all I'm hearing is Rees should be six. All right.

We've had enough Lake is at 10. We're good. Okay. Fair enough. We're good. This is a crazy good draft class, man. You know what? It's insanely deep, bro.

It's insanely deep. Next thing we're going to do, we're heading over to hoopgo.com, a site we're going to frequenting as of late doing a lot of blind rankings and stuff they have a lot of fun mini games on here that are just essentially made for us to make tictox with it feels like today we're going to play this game where they give us random NBA lineups of players from an assortment of eras and we got to decide which one would win okay as you guys here we got team one versus team two who was winning this matchup this is not a conversation to me I'm going with team one yeah I mean yeah it's a fucking it's Michael Jordan versus Vince

Carter so it's a bit tough to start from yeah That's the big, big mismatch. Obviously, Larry Bird versus Tatum, that's a, that's a good matcher. Charles Barker. Well, hold on. Kevin Garnet and Will is a crazy front court. Charles Barkley and Hakeem Olajuwon is dominating. I don't know if he's dominating.

You have a Kevin Garnet and Will Chamberlain there on the interior. That's tough. He's going to hit him with lateral movement. He's going to hit Kevin Garnett with some stuff he's never seen. I'm taking Team 1. Team 1 is a Washington team too Okay

I think Vince Carter is a tough part But okay We can go team one We gotta pick it Okay 97% of people agreed Smart Bima Amanda the people

Next up Ooh it's a duos Karim and Hakim versus Wilt and Yokic Ah man That's tough This is insanely No it's not

No it's not Wilt and Yokitch I don't care If the fit is insane Yokish throwing Lobbs to Wilt in the Dunker Spa? Are you kidding me? Time about it's only two-on-two. We're not doing Dunker's spot stuff in two-on-two. Wait, so is it two-on-two or is it who you

want to build your 5-on-5 team around? I think it's two-on-two because it's just two-on-two. Okay, so, okay, so we're doing two-on-two game. Oh, well, if it's just two-on-five, I'm going Yokets and Wilt. If it's two-on-two, I guess you've got go Kareem and Hakeem, because it's all about defending each other one-on-one at Yokish's defense of the weak link. Yeah, exactly. I think regardless of the fact If it's fucking two on two, three V three, I don't care what format it is. I think I'm leaning towards Kareem and Hakeem. That versatility is ridiculous.

Yonkits and Wilt is crazy. I understand, but it's like, I see Will. I see how high it can jump how fast you can't run and all that. But, bro, you can't escape from Kareem. You can't escape. I imagine if Aaron Gordon was replaced by the greatest athlete in NBA history. It would be outrageous. You can't defend that.

But okay, we'll go with the top two guys for two-on-two purposes. Oh, another two-on-two-one. Janice and Nicola Yokic versus Nasty Man and Kareem of Dul-Jabbar. They are beating Nasty Man and Kareem like crazy. Hamers. I'm going to... Hit him on top of the hammer. Yeah, I don't even know if that's true, but we're not picking Nassim and under any circumstances. So Team 1, it is.

Team 1 is not even close. Goodbye. Off my screen. Oh, he's on my screen again. Team 2. Goodbye. Here we are. another 5v 5 which team is winning

LeBron and Jordan on the same team I'm not even looking at the rest bro I'm not even looking at the rest Why are these teams all five guards and forwards What is going on? There's no bigs And that's fine But the same

Listen I'm looking at this lineup And I'm saying Vince Carter You don't belong here And so I'm going with two more Hey low key though LeBron and Scotty Pippet as a four or five is actually not that bad like that actually kind of makes sense so team one stops

it's not even close bro we're just picking up Mitch Carter Day who the spaceings actually kind of ass or team one though so you would have Nash Nash Wade M.J. LeBron Pippin or Pippin LeBron this doesn't even matter but yeah

yeah something of that sort yeah they're killing team two they're killing them this is a blood guy why they set Kobe up like that man Next up, Wemby and Dierin Fox versus Duelan Embed and Tyrese Maxie. Now let's assume Joel Mee's legs to work.

Yes, in a two-on-two, I will go with M-Bid and Max-D. Yeah. What happened to him, Bid's neck? Something else happened to it that we don't know about? Damn. This one's easy. 76% of you said Wembe and Fox, you are insane. Three on three, Seacom, Miles Turner, and Howard.

I'm going with the Knicks. We're going with the Knicks. Paces versus Knicks. Isaac did something happen to Donovan's mic I can't hear him I can't hear him either is he saying something I don't know I don't know but I think he kind of wants to go with the Indiana Pacers it makes sense from last year's playoff well yeah I mean he loves Tyrese Halliburton

and he's commonly said Tyrese Halliburton has the best scoring back in the league so I can only assume that if we can hear him right now he'd be going Pacers yeah exactly I think Pacers is the way to go for sure and I think he thinks past Osiakum is really sexy so I'm going to go Pacers on behalf of that too Donovan has a new passion for logos and so he sees a lot of himself into in my are you disparaged my name enough I'm drawing the line at Legos

I wish you could hear him next up same Luca Dodgers and LeBron versus Amari Stodomar and Steve Nash Oh man man that prime duel was nice But I don't give a damn LeBron is dusting Amari and Lucas dusting Steve Nash this is abusive

Yo who is playing defense Who is playing legitimately who is playing defense I don't know this is crazy Oh no okay a five on five With Biggs, this one makes more sense. Team 1 versus Team 2. Hey, Team 1 is Shaq and David Robinson and then Steve nationally in the offense

with the anomaly in the middle? Hold on. Bottom one. Luca Kiree, LeBron Hakeem and Wilto. Yeah, Team 2. Team 2. Teams are kind of crazy. I don't know.

It's nice. I think they're probably fit better together. It's an easier fit to imagine. But Team 2 is just like, you got some of the greatest of all time here, bro. team two makes no sense on paper team one does make sense low key yeah but then again it's lucca kairi we've seen that duo where before it's lebron and then hekeem and it's not i think about it's almost a glove and glove a half fit i'm going team two pretty easy this is what we talk

about this is what jason tatem's talking about when it comes to the lack of his fucking respect bro he's matched up with lebron yeah what do you want he's an NBA champion So is LeBron Many times over Okay Here's one that actually makes sense a little bit Actually nope no mind No big men

Team 1 versus team 2 Jason kid Michael Jordan Magic Johnson Carmello And Pippin Where's Larry Bird Kauai Curry Carter And Alan Iverson

I don't know what I see teams You know what I said before You said Vince Carter You don't belong here I'm going with team one Every time we just pick against Vince Carter And pick against nasty men Yeah team one's smoke

With so It's because I actually do like Vince Carter a lot. And that's the end of what we got today. That's all the ones we can play through. And that's the end of this episode. If people are still here, what should they comment? Mo. Yeah, in your return.

iPad Mo is in the building. That's what I'll say. New equipment unlocked. Someone asked what were you doing in Turkey. They asked if you're getting transplants. They're asking you're getting BBLs. I mean, I haven't stood up once in this podcast, so. comment if you're still here comment bbl mo mo got the bbl in tahiti when he was gone and we'll see y'all next week