The Deep 3 Podcast - We Interviewed NBA All-Star Darius Garland | Ep. 129

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

NBA all-star Darius Garland joins the show today to talk the Cavs season, dealing with injury last year, and more! #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Mo's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- intro 1:52- Darius Garland 21:14- Bonus interview 50:55- NBA news of the week 1:42:27- tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It was like mind-boggling to me. You've seen what I could do, but now since I have an injury, I'm 20 pounds lighter. You just going to blame me off that, you know? I'm definitely a silver to me. At what point when he came in, did you realize, like, oh, he's going to change this and make the offense a problem to deal with? Day one.

How old line are you? Because that is a very niche thing to see. We out-meet Shay. How did you see that? No, so the skim ad came out, and it was Don and Shee. Oh my god I mean I don't know what to say Pray on Eater's rejoice

As you guys can see There's somebody missing on this frame right now True Two man gaming it today We don't have Mo here Well I guess we do in some way But we don't have the man here who can speak By the name of Mo

But that's okay Because today is a very special episode We were just at NBA All-Star weekend And we're here now with some stuff to show you guys We got some stuff to show you guys As you saw about the intro before this played We sat down and had a conversation

With Darius Garland Someone who you guys know We have been a long time Group fan of We all have been really high in his game Always defending him Last year when he dealt with the injury stuff So it's a real cool moment to be able to talk to him

During the whole all-star weekend festivities We had to tell him to his face It's not your fault It's not true fault If nobody understands We understand that your job was broken. We had to tell them that in person. So that was, that was very cool. Yeah, it was fun conversation. We talked about the CAV stuff this year, the CAV stuff last

year, you know, encore products of both seasons. How to do some TD3 type shit. So we, there's also the energy you'd come to expect from a regular full-length episode. Not nice mix of vibes. Should be fun. And yeah, man, I think we should get people right over to that conversation. Let's go. we're here with a very special guest someone we want to talk to for a long time someone we've said a lot of good things about over the years really cool to have you in person we're here with NBA All-Star Darius Garland appreciate y'all you doing how's your weekend going it's been a long weekend but it's been fun for sure yeah we were talking before it started

I'm surprised you guys we're recording the Sunday the day of the game that's crazy you do media before the all-star game yeah and it's like hours yeah it's like pictures uh reporters asking questions so it's I think I got to be to like three hours early before the game today you think that's the underrated part of why the discourse on the game is but about the intensity level that's definitely underrated you guys are tired like yeah really be tired bro like we got in I got in Friday morning hit the ground running right off the jump I got in like 10 had a event at 11 and then I went back home at three that's a lot yeah so like yeah I'm doing that for three days

straight bro I'm tired we heard we heard Jerry Jackson Jr. said that he was going to, you know, pick up guys full court. Can we see, are we going to see any of that from you? No, not. Not. You heard immensely? Yeah, I don't like it. Have you guys already had the conversation that's with Adam Silver, but, oh, we kind of try hard?

Or is that before the game starts? That's probably before the game. Yeah, he goes to the locker room? Yeah, he's going to come in, he's going to come in the locker room for sure. He's definitely going to, he's definitely going to relay the message for sure. I already know. The last time he was the all-star game, did he do that? Yeah, he came in and told us.

What was that combo? Like, did anybody care? Actually, he was like, you guys go out there and have fun at the 7th anniversary. So, like, that was my, yeah, my first all start I get was the 7th anniversary. So all the ledges came in. So it wasn't, he wasn't pressing it too much, but I noticed he's going to press him because he's so much nonsense. Well, David's our impersonation coming tonight. It's going to be serious.

That meeting definitely going to be serious. So right before the show started, dapped each other up, introduced each other, Texas, Texas, and from Atlanta. I didn't know that you were from Indiana. Yeah. What's it like growing up in Indiana? Well, I'm in Gary, Indiana, so I'm, like, close to Chicago. Oh, okay. Yeah, so I'm like 25 minutes away from Chicago.

So I was like, I'm in a city for real. Are you? Basically. I've never heard anyone say that. What level of city are we talking? What would you compare Gary, Indiana to? Oh, I mean, there ain't nothing compared to it. Not at all, not at all.

But, like, let me see. This is a great city, though. Shout out Gary, man. Don't drive through, though. Take our word for it. So outside of that, you're having a great year. The team is having a great year. The vibes are an all-time high.

How are you feeling with this version of the team with Kenny Atkinson? What do you feel like is, like, the big difference this year for you guys? Man, just us being on the floor together, to be honest with you. Last couple of years, everybody's been hurt, so we've been in and out of lineups. So this is like our first year Actually playing together like Till the All-Star brick actually I think last couple years

We probably played 30 games together All combined our entire starting five So shit we've Man my bad You can say whatever Yeah We say crazy Yeah say no more

Say no more So yeah Yeah we've 53 games in And we all played At least 50 games so far together So Just having a games under our belt, just having that camaraderie.

It's just taking us over the top right now. Yeah. Speaking of being just injured over the last few years, your team, you specifically have been like hammered with just the craziest things. Yeah. How was it like dealing with a broken jaw and having to deal with just not eating food, but just drinking? And on top of that, not just that, but having to deal with nobody in NBA media

understanding it. Everybody treated you like that didn't happen. Right. Yeah. That part sucked. Yeah. To be honest with you. especially coming like coming off being an all-star a couple years ago that was

just it was like mind-boggling to me yeah because like you see what I could do but now since I have an injury I'm 20 pounds lighter that's crazy being in the second round in the playoffs against the NBA champs like you just go blame me off that you know yeah exactly so but yeah the injuries suck the injury was trash bro I mean my my only motivation was my family and my alarm clock was through the wire by Kaye. Wow. So, like, I am so glad you said that.

Did you, did you, like, rap along with it with the song and did, like, did the whole thing? Yeah. So, like, in the surgery, I'm in the, I'm in a room, and I'm going in, I got the song playing. Wow. Can't talk. Can't do anything. We got the video somewhere. I don't know where it's at, but, like.

I love that. That's awesome. That was my song, bro. That was like, my motivation. I used to really do what he was doing in a song, like drinking insurers. What was your favorite blend of meal throughout that whole? Blended meal? Yeah.

Was there a silver lining one? You're like, it's better than the others. Oh, yeah, for sure. Chili, when did chili was fire? Oh, my God. Blended chili. I feel like blended chili is just chili. Like, it's not that different.

Exactly. Really? What was the worst? The worst was. Yeah, because I'm sure you had to, like, just get something. What you got one time and avoided it forever after? Yeah, without the show. So I got her close to Thanksgiving.

So my mom met a whole bunch of stuff. So she blended some dressing. That was fire, actually. Blended dressing, wow. The mac and cheese was trashed, though. And her mac and cheese be fired. So having that blend it up and just messing up the whole thing, it was whack. Off the topic of last year, off the struggle, onto this year where it's real good,

I feel like one of the most underrated parts of your game that I think Kenny Atkinson in law, I don't know if you think it was him or just something you've always had, your off ball game. I think that's been the most underrated part of you this year, while you're having such a strong year next to Donovan, next to a lot of people in a very like egalitarian offense where everyone touches the ball. The way you strews, everybody, I'm assuming your coach this way, just dart to the corner every time you get off ball is insane. You're a three-point shooting factory as a team. Is that Kenny or have you always had that? No, that's Kenny. I like getting to the corners.

Sprint to the corners is like, like, you know. if you're on film and you're not sprint to that corner yeah getting chewed out yeah i'm glad that's actually i think you focuses on yeah it's not surprising no it's not at all like even don like if you catch don like you like you move it off ball like catch don't like transition just one game he gonna spread his lobe i'm telling you the little long ars be moving and do you think is that something you thought about before this year have you always felt your good off ball or is canny really brought it out of you yeah i was good off ball, my third year, my first all-star year. Coach Bickerstive, J.B. Bickerstaff, shout

on him. He's doing a great job in Detroit right now. But yeah, he started putting me off ball a little bit. I was with Ricky Rubio in that time. So Ricky, he had the point. I was letting him rock out. He's, he'd been running the point since he was three years old. He was a pro. So, yeah, I was letting him rock out with the ball. I'm coming off a lot of downscreens, a lot of pin downs. I'm getting a lot of curls, so I'm getting a lot of easy buckets. So I just got used to it like that. Now, Kenny just unlocked it like fully now. We watched a lot of film all stuff. He was one of my favorite guys. He's really good off the ball. So yeah, I told him this summer, I was like, I need to be off the ball a little bit more.

Like, let die have the ball a little bit so he can be point of attack so he can be aggressive just with the ball in his head. So it's working out pretty well, though. Do you think that like that the chemistry between you and DeMitch has has grown throughout throughout this year and like because we've heard you know like there's been a lot of reporting in the past about you know potentially you know moving on from from either you or d Mitch and then this got this year you guys came together you guys on a whole different level how is that process really just like pressure cooked like you guys rose to the top of the eastern conference yeah um i mean there's a lot of pressure when he first got there of course um being in like a

a perennial all-star, MVP candidate type of guy just coming in, you know. And that was like my first all-star year. So it was like a big difference for me. Like I always had the ball in my hand. Now I'm playing with another all-star that has the ball in his hand as well. So it took a lot of communication. It took a couple of years, as y'all see. So, I mean, it's cool right now, though, bro.

It's smooth sailing. We have conversations on and off the floor. We watch filming together. So we learned in these. each other while the season is going on, but it's definitely growing and growing every day. Yeah, so there was obviously a lot of discourse, like he said, but the fit between you two guys, obviously similar skill sets, but even more than that, there was a lot of discourse last year between the fit between the two bigs.

Naturally, you see a team that doesn't have a space shirt at the four or five. It's how can this work? That's something I feel like Kenny Ackinson has figured out an amazing way. At what point when he came in, did you realize, like, oh, he's going to change this and make the offense a problem to deal with? Day one. What was the change that you really saw that, changed it? He moved, Evan, from the Dunker to the corner to the three-point line.

I love those. I feel like he does a lot of like deep dunker from the corner that gives him like a just enough head start to cut and get a good head of steam. Exactly. That's a kiddie special. Yeah. I like it.

But now he's shooting the three. Trey ball is flowing for Evan right now. He's coming for your percentage. He's shot for the best for the team. The attempts might not be the same, but the 40s. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying. The attempts is high, though.

We ignore that. We ignore that. And we say good job, Evan. Oh, of course. As long as you make it, my brother. Jay, you shoot them. Yeah, you shoot them all.

The next thing I want to do, as you see on the screen here, we have some nonsense that Trey Murphy was looking at. You're not looking at this. But what I want to do is, I want to show you some NBA baby pictures from teammates you had,

and I want you to guess who the player is. Don. First off, who is this? I know that. That's Don for sure. What screen is Donovan Mitchell to that? The smile. The smile?

Yeah, it's like the... Really? Okay. Like the... Yeah. He got whimsy? Yeah, that's that. Happy for no. Mr. Meadoff.

Look at a dog. Dude, when you acknowledge it every day. I ain't acknowledged nothing. Okay, so whenever somebody that looks like you acknowledged it, we have talked a lot about that. In the same way that the cooking cavaliers have been a defining part of the season,

the Meadolph has been a defining part of our discourse. That's what I'm saying, bro. I don't know what's up with that. Yeah, I don't know. Neither here nor there. But when you acknowledged it, I got 12 people tagging me in that video. 12 people.

Apparently, we are the spokesman. people on the show. Somebody, somebody said it. Somebody sent a locker room. I was like, what? Yeah. How online are you? Because that is a very niche thing to see.

That started because somebody quoted the skim's ad and said, we outmuted Shea. How did you see that? No, so the skim ad came out and it was Don and Shea. Yeah. And it was the tweet with the skims. So then I seen that. Don sent in the group chat. Oh, Don found it.

He saw her first. He was bragging. I out meet his shit. He said, hey, open and found, oh, my God. He got that first team on Lambia. I got him in a shade. No, it was like, it was perfect time because we played, that was the first time we played OKC at home. Yeah.

So there was like Donna Shade matchup, you know, and then that, that other stuff came out. Yeah. The birth of the meetoff. There we go. That's crazy word. This is nasty work, bro. Don, I ain't doing this to see you, fam. Daw, what he is?

Next player. Who is baby picture? Is this? Oh, current and former players. Not all on your team right now. But people you played with before. Yeah. It's not that hard.

Think of the defining white boys of your crew. I have no idea who this white baby is. There's a, there's a lot of like, damn. I don't know. I don't know. I'm also just not good with babies. I feel like a lot of babies look the same. Yeah.

That's, yeah. That's very true. Yeah. There's a few select guys that you've played with. I think it's kind of telling with what are you doing with the ball too. Okay, a lover, K-love. This is Mr. Kevin Love.

Yeah, for sure. It's kind of hard. It doesn't look that much like him. That doesn't like K-love at all. That is, but it is. That's crazy. Next one. Next one. Who is this? A young man himself.

Smooth. That's a devious look to the camera, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. What grade is this? How old were you here? I was like five, six. Probably younger than that, for real.

How were you as a kid? Were you a behave kid? Were you a show up? Yeah, that was pretty cool. This picture makes you look. like a silver tooth kid this angle i'm definitely a silver tooth kid right here i had an older brother so he did all the dirt for me and i learned for me you're the sidekick and the trouble making okay i like it that's crazy the silver tooth kid is hilarious that's hilarious you really said

that's accurate so i was definitely i was definitely had hella caps you mentioned earlier in the offball talk that you've been modeled your game after step a lot who do you monitor your game after on ball on ball kai interesting i would have thought you know there's a lot of comparisons everyone talks about player comms you get a lot of like young steve nash or just new redux of these passers yeah but you're going after like the bucket getter is the guy you bolt i mean i can do both i like doing both i like passing though to score to be honest with you but it's whatever though i'm i can do both yeah why why is that is there something about passing an assistant that just feels better than scoring or does it feel better than scoring i mean it doesn't feel better

in the score, you know, but, like, I like seeing my teammates win. I like seeing everybody win on my team. Like, I don't know. It's, I can make a dope pass. If you miss it, like, I'm gonna be hot. But, like, I can make a bucket anytime I want to it. It feels like. How's the, what's it feel like this team, obviously you guys are top of the Eastern Conference right now?

What's your confidence level on the team compared to last year? Are you feeling like going into the second half of the season you guys are feeling as good as you've ever felt with the score? Yeah, for sure. A thousand percent. I think this is probably the best we felt in a long time. I mean, you see how it is. Yeah, the winds are on the board. Yeah, it's fun out there.

We all having fun. Everybody's touching the ball. Everybody feels a part of it. So, I mean, it's a good start so far. Before this pod, did all the research I could, obviously. I was doing my research on you and your people, specifically, your family. I had no idea your dad was in the league, and that's, like, the most under-talked-about thing. What influences your dad had in your life when it comes to watching you grow up?

a business of shit like yeah uh everything bro to me honest with you um he's the reason why i'm playing basketball it's the reason why i'm here um literally so no um yeah he's super influential for my life um i represented him yesterday in the three-point contest too which was awesome cool yeah um what were the hardest drills that he had you doing when you were younger uh man so my favorite one of my favorites was so like he just throw the ball out and i'll be turn my back would be turned towards him yeah so he had throw the ball out so if i hear one bounce like i have to go get it oh wow go do like a different move or something into like a pull up or a that explains the shiftyness that explains the shiftyness another one was like change of pace

or like shifting his drill like he'll clap every time like i have to go fast he'll clap so i could change speed, so I'll go slow. They clap again, I go fast. They clap again, I go slow into like a different mood. So like just working on like different shiftyness and different changes of paces. So that was, that's why I'm so shifty for real, for real. Shout out the shiftingness.

Yeah. Do you feel like you have an NBA rival? Have any like maybe in your draft class, somebody that you have a special connection to from that process that you really held on to this day? I mean, I got people on my list, yeah. On your list? Yeah.

What does that mean? Like you circled. Yeah. say you circle those matchups yeah so it's not even it's the team itself it's not really like a matchup like who are some of your favorite teams to go against uh of course boston yeah um i like playing philly because me and reese we boys um okay c now not gonna lie yeah okay c lit right now yeah both of y'all the face of the week facts and in two small market teams too so which makes it a a lot better. That's probably, that's probably two. Three, Boston, Philly, and OKC.

We had a couple of minutes left with you before you got to get you out of here. You guys have had really strong city jerseys over the recent years. I feel like there's a lot of them that get clowned on. You guys have a crazy good team. So on that topic, I want to show you two NBA jerseys, one old, one new. You let me know which one's better. They're all cabbed related. First off, we got the LeBron jersey versus this year's city jersey. Two incredibly This is a tough latch. This is a tough latch. I love this blue one you guys have.

That baby blue got me. That baby blue is hard. It's tough. And the court with it? Facts. Brings it together. You guys get to, do you guys like get to choose what jerseys you wear when or no? Or the team?

The team does? Yeah. We do nothing, bro. If we had a choice, we'll be wearing this a lot more. Yeah. The LeBron one is also a classic though. But is it a classic because it's like LeBron wearing it? Exactly.

Or is it? Listen, you got to count for aura points. It's a part of the equation. The aura is crazy. You're right. I'm going to go with the land choice. Okay, yeah. The baby blue is nice.

Yeah. I'm going to go with, to put the nostalgia aside, the new one is nicer, I think. For sure. I agree. And nobody's done that before. Nobody went baby blue before. Never. I don't think so.

I don't, yeah, full time. Yeah, I'm not sure. They ain't doing it like y'all. And now we, that's what I'm saying. Now we look, look what we started. Trent. You guys invented. You guys invented me.

What about this 1990s jersey versus this year's white one? I go 1990. Really? I go to old school joints. This white one is my favorite of your guys' base jerseys for sure. Really? Yeah. I can't lie.

I love this one. I kind of hate the black one with the giant sea. Oh, my God. What about the black ones? I like black jerseys. Is that your favorite? Is that your favorite? Is that your favorite?

Oh, my God. Okay. Yeah, that's get him back. He's been wilding over here. Okay. We're going with the 90s? Yeah, I'm going with the 90s. is right last one the black 90s one or the ransom letter city jersey the black ones

really the black ones too it's cold yeah i've been out voted on this like the ransom note text i did i do yeah the random joints it was fire and like the theme like the backstory of the black jerseys was it's what is it it's like the it's the rock and roll hall of fame oh and my first time being in there had a photo shoot and like actually being in there was super dope. So like I love the concept of like I don't know. It was crazy. Yeah, it was

dope. It was very sentimental. Yeah, it's pretty sentimental. And you had to photo shoot with the new jersey in there. It was fire. It was cold. Look at that. New wins two out of three. We're not nostalgia. We're not nostalgia merchants over here. We're with the new school. Yeah, new school. That's that being said, that's all the time I got with you today, man. I got to keep moving. I appreciate it.

Busy all start a day. We appreciate you coming through. Thanks, of course. Appreciate you having me, man. Y'all be smooth. but wait there's more we're here by a very special guest one of the I think most exciting young players I think we still call you that in the NBA this season yeah we're here with Trey Murphy how you doing man I'm good man appreciate you're having me you having a good weekend all the all-star festivities and everything yeah I'm having a great time I can't lie I've seen you on my TV nonstop how are you enjoying doing the media

stuff you've been getting it to I mean this is what I want to do post career so you know just prepping a resume and all honestly so the resume is deep I'm not gonna lie when it comes to seeing young players and how often they are making these appearance, you're like number one on my draft prospect board when it comes to future analysts or podcast or some type of media personality in a future. You know, I really appreciate that, man. Thank you. Thank you. How cool? How do you, like, it's so interesting that these days with the new media landscape that you can do that, like, set up the next career in the middle of your actual career instead of after. Do you feel like that's something that more players should do? Yeah, I think you should always just try to get your feet wet and try to

figure out what you want to do. It's almost like college, like those first few years. You don't really know what you want to do, like, major-wise. So you want to make sure that you're putting your best foot forward if that's what you want to do first. Did you decide, like, kind of early that you already knew, like, okay, I'm going to play basketball and afterwards. I want to do, like, the media stuff right after? No, I just knew I like to talk. Hall of Fame you at Brassie? Okay. I just like to talk. And people, like, listen to this. I think that's when I fell into it. Was there a certain, like, podcast appearance or something that you did and the click for you, you're like, oh, people like this. Yeah. Probably JJ's

podcast. Yeah. Yeah, I did JJ's podcast for the first time. And that was my, after my first year, I think it was my, I think it was during my summer going to my second year. Yeah. Outside of the media stuff, you're having a real interesting year because I feel like it's safe to say over the last 25 games, you're starting to show, I don't get ahead of myself, making the leap. You know, we're starting to see you doing more stuff with a ball on your hands, averaging 25 for extended periods of time. You know, there's a, silver lining to a season that's not going super well for the team, you're really making those improvements to your game

and really showing what it's going to look like next year when everybody's whole and the team is healthy. What do you feel like it's in the biggest difference for you this year that's really allowed you to make that type of leap? I mean, the glaring one is just opportunity. Yeah, naturally. That's the biggest reason why. But also, too, like my aggression has been a lot more,

it's been a lot more different. Like, I've been having a different mindset. I was just going on in every game, like, all right, I'm going to make sure that I'm going to be attacking offensively, trying to make the right play, and also trying to score. And, you know, summer work also helps a lot too. How do you deal with the task was just like, okay, you and your squad is having all this off-season work, all this training and prep? And you mentioned the opportunity. How do you guys deal with, like, your team just being, like, absolutely new from the get-go and just, like, having the most unfortunate luck that we've seen in a long time?

Yeah, no, that's tough, but I mean, that's almost been my whole four years in New Orleans, if I'm being honest. So I think it's just the most extreme case. But, I mean, we just try to stay resilient and it's basketball at the end of the day. Like, we're going to figure it out. It's not like we're scientists trying to build something like where we're just trying to put a ball in a hole. That's all, man. Good problems I have. Yeah, yeah, that's it.

You mentioned that offseason work really paying off. I feel like obviously you're improving all your skillsets every year by year. I feel like this year your handle has been the biggest thing that you've seen a big jump on. Yeah. Is that something that you really focus on? Because I feel like we're seeing you get better navigating screens, get better generating deep paint touches and not, you know, picking your dribble too soon.

What type of specific handle stuff are you focusing on in the summer? I mean, really just reading defenses, like me and my trainer, we don't, it's not like I'm working on like a bunch of different combos and stuff like that. It's literally just like playing out of hesitations and using my shot as a weapon and then just going from there. You know, it's not too tricky. I might do a lot more stuff in the games sometimes

And I just blackout. You love that behind the back to reject the screen. I promise you. I don't even think to do it. It just happens. As you go right, reject the screen. Back to the left. Nah, trust me.

I was doing it. I was like, man, it's like some good defenders again. Shut off this with two. So what do you think is the biggest difference from you now versus the second year, Tray Murphy? Definitely the confidence and putting the ball on the floor. And also just feeling stronger. And then knowing what defenses are trying to give up all that. stuff. I mean, experience is the best teacher. And I think that's helping the most right now

get game reps. What are some of those, like, experiences that you think back on? Like, did you have moments in your previous seasons where a certain play happened? Didn't really go your way and it's like, okay, I need to fix this. Absolutely. I'm sure, we can talk about this season. When I, probably my second game back, we play OKC and OKC. And, oh, God, yeah. He's getting PTSD. You saw Lou Dork, Kays and Wallace, coming through that ball? Yeah, I can't lie. They're the most hansy team I've ever played against. And so I wasn't as confident in my handling.

So I was struggling that game. Like, I really was. And so I just had to make adjustments, keep working on my game, and, you know, just build that confidence. How different are they from every other team in that way where you start the game? I'm assuming that game they put Loodort on you.

He goes out, Kaysen Wallace, Alex Caruso, Shea, J-Dub. Yeah. That's the most... I don't know if I've ever seen a better collection of the passing lane. and just disruptive ball handlers? They're not.

Does it stand out like that much from everybody else? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, no, they have no weak defenders on their team. So really it's just like the biggest thing that I would recognize, like the second time we played them in OKC is like it's not the first offender. It's the rest of the help guys. Damn.

And it's not like two of them. A lot of times they send three. So like if you saw like the beginning of that game, I was passing a lot because like I'll get past the first guy and they all converge. And it's like, well, I. can't take this shot. Yeah. Like I just remembered.

I forgot. We're triggering a little bit of PTSD here, a little bit sore memories. I forgot that was the playoffs last year. My bad. My bad. I mean, you didn't have to bring that up either. I forgot that's a sore spot. Sorry.

Speaking of last year a little bit, I feel like one of the most underrated things about your guys' team last season when you were a whole, you guys had a top 10 defense on the year. Despite being anchored by bigs who aren't known to be rim protectors, which is normally how you're building the lead defense. What do you feel like was so special about that defense and what really Green did with the, you know, the length and the perimeter defendants you guys had that really made your defense so good

last year? Herb Jones. They're a good answer. Good answer. First thing I'll do. Good answer. So do you have often like one-on-one battles in practice? Oh my God. Your practices must be insane because you got Z, Herb, CJ, who's sifties can be. Must be in the blender all the time.

Our practice is a very competitive. I'll say that. But the thing is, though, like Herb for the first time didn't guard me. And so like my second year because first year in practice like I was probably like second or third option on the second team and so he would probably guard the best option on the first on the second team and then once we came back and we started like working out and having to be there because you're working all that stuff that's when we started playing over gym and I was like man I understand if we don't be scoring on him this is hard yeah what about it is hard though like what makes him

because he's a really physical defender but he's also like tall and length and So a lot of times, like, if you're a physical defender, that's tall, lanky, agile, you're, like, you just don't have a combination. There's probably only one of the person I can think of as a combination of size, athleticism, strength, quickness, all that stuff. Was that, like, a point of confidence boosting for you where now you're in practice and you're like, okay, Herbert has guarded me. Like, I really am, like, you know, on, like, I'm loving it up. What's funny is we talked about this kind of recently, and he was saying that he realized, like, I was going to be, like, around this area. during that time and I realized that he's like a really all world defender at that time too. So there's definitely a few plays where I got him with the behind the back. Yeah. I don't know if I'm spamming it, but look, I don't think it's on a scam report that.

I'm just going to do it every time now. I promise, if we see it, I know everyone else can see it. Man, that's cool. They can see it. They ain't going to stop it. Exactly. They can see it. So you said Herb starting to realize like, oh, he's making the sleep.

We also had the comment in the media other day. after Ingram was traded, where Zion said, me and Trey are the leaders of this team now. What does that look like to feel like you're becoming one of the guys on the team? And because you still have other vets on the team besides you in Zion. So that, to me, sounds like a big vote of confidence. To an extent. I feel like for me, I've always been like a vocal guy. And I've always said my piece on what I feel like needs to be said for the team.

Is there more a leadership role, like just from the outside looking in? Yes. But I don't feel like much has changed, really. Like, I've been the same type of leader that I've been. from probably second year. I'm not going to say day one. No, not day one. Yeah, not a day one.

Yeah, naturally, naturally. How do you, like, harness those, like, leadership skills? What, like, events that happened back before the NBA? Like, what had you gone through to, like, learn those skill sets? Like, I know you worked at Chick-fil-A back in the day. Did that go ahead and help you, like, harness up and know how to manage- my pleasure? How many times you said my pleasure?

Man, I worked there for three weeks. It don't even count. That's at least 3,000 my pleasures. Yeah, no, it was a lot. And, nah, my chick-fay experience was a lot. But we don't have to bring that back up. But not leadership stuff. That came because in high school I was the best player on my team.

So I had to be a leader. At Rice, I was the top three player on my team. And then I was, say, in Virginia, playing under Tony Bennett, that's what he preaches. And he's very, like, like, you're not, nobody's above the culture. And you're going to make sure that you're going to, you know, add to it and not take away from it. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so we talked about it. You're a podcaster now.

You're working in the media. Does that hurt? That's unrelated. That's not for you. That's for Darry's Garland after this. Oh, okay. That's Donovan Mitchell, by the way. It really looks like her.

A little peek behind the curtain. I'm going to show you some NBA teams faces combined. All right. I want you to identify which team it is. Okay. So, you know, see how much you know the league around you. We haven't seen these either, so. It's a shock to us, too.

Yeah. It'll be great. Team one. Which team is this? Spurs. I forgot the crop out of the jersey. God damn. Wow.

This looks like a real person, though. Bring it down, though. Who's hair, whose eyes? Whose nose? Yeah, but first. Hair stuff. Okay. Body, I want to say Wimby.

Yeah, that one was a easy giveaway. Yeah. Whose mouth is that, though? Wow. Oh, listen. It's a real question. Deer and Fox. We got Deer and Fox's eyes.

Really? Yeah. Okay. Is that hair is a little? bars it. We got Chris Paul's face Sohan's ears, Bacel's hair and Wembe's lower half. That's a lot, bro. It's a lot. It's like six people.

If I was like quickly look, I'll be like oh, like, that's, like, Tyro Lewis Jr. Wow, that's my dog, too. I'm like, quick look like, oh, right? I can't see Justin Holiday a little bit. Now that one actually, that's actually decent, right? Yeah. Okay, you ask a question. I'm a crop out jerseys to the other one real quick.

Okay, cool. Over the the second half of this season, what is some of your personal goals for things that you either want to improve on or, you know, start getting into a rhythm going into next year and into the off season? The team to build habits. That's really it. I don't really, I don't really have too many, like, expectations. Like, it's been the same, like, goal setting from being in a year, attack each game, get better, find ways to win, build habits. Like, obviously, we haven't gotten a lot of wins for the season, but you still want to build those habits in order to, you still want to build those habits in order

to you know lead into next year build for the future and how do you like like you saying we've you know we've touched on it obviously like this season hasn't gone exactly the way that you want how do you how do you go in into you know the gym every single day and continue to keep that like positive energy keep moving forward keep trying to build those habits playing basketball man that's yeah i just love basketball i put a ball in a hoop and i'm able to feed my family just based over that so got you there's like there's nothing to be Back to the bullshit. I got the jersey cropped out.

Which team is this? Oh, my God. I think I have a guess. I don't know if I have this. It's a rapist. What? What gives it away to you? Yacup Pertals there.

Oh, you were nowhere. What? That's recognizable. Yeah, right. Jakob's here. I mean, Yacob's hair stands out because the rest of the guy's face is black.

And then you have to white hair. That could be another reason. So, Jakub is the only white hairline in the league? Nah, but, I know I'm not going to say anything about y'all going to say it, bro. But is the lower half Scotty. Yeah, we've got the mouth of Scotty. And we've got the chin of RJ Barrett.

I'm surprised you didn't recognize the eyes immediately. No, that's B.I. That's my dog, man. I thought that would give it away. So you try to say something right now. You try to say something. What's understood need not be said? Last team.

Which team is this? Oh, my God. No, that's us. We gave it away. Herb's eyes So not yourself You wish it? No, Herb's eyes, for sure.

All right, I'm going to break this one down for you. Okay. Herb's eyes, Dejante's cut. Okay. Hairlines crisp, you know, to my little bit. Yeah, no, he keeps a fresh cut. I will say that. That's my earrings over there, so I ain't going to say it.

I guess that's my, um, from note or mouth, whatever. Okay. Mouth. His Zion's beer. Zions is hilarious on you. Amish. Yeah. If you squint a little bit, you can kind of see Paul George in this.

If you squint a little bit. Yeah, no, I don't see that on. Maybe like 45-year-old Paul George. That's what I'm saying. You got to squint really, really hard. You just say that because he got a nice cut. That might be it. It might just be the hairline.

It might just be the hairline. How often does Dejante get haircuts? Is it crispy all the time? Like probably every three days or something like that. Three days? Do you do too? Nah. Why was like every other week?

Oh, okay. Okay. And I actually wore a headband this year and played pooh-pooh butt. It was because, like, we played on Wednesday, and I was leaving Thursday after the game for All-Star. And I was like, bro, I'm not going to get a cut before. I got to make sure I wait to the last minute to get my cuts so it's fresh. Is that some inside baseball? Is that why a lot of guys wear headbands because they don't have fresh cuts?

I mean, have you seen some of the guys take the headbands? I also love how, like, down-to-earth that is. that's hilarious. You can afford to get a haircut once a week. You're like, no, every two weeks. I got a... No, it's like, I just want to let it breathe sometimes. I like wearing hats. So, you know, if I got a fresh guy, I'm not wearing a hat. I don't need my Beijing wearing off. So, yeah, I got you. That's okay. Next thing I want to do.

I'm going to leave that picture on the whole time. You can just keep thinking about it. Yeah, please, no. Let's play a little game. We do this on our channel a lot called Keep Three Cut Three. We're going to do with NBA Legends. It sounds like how it sounds. I'm going to name six players. You pick three. They're going to be kept. Three, they're going to be cut. all NBA legends keep three cut three first name Paul Pierce something I will say is that I've been a part of his team so many times and

now I'm working with you do not sell me my record is horrendous yeah they're really bad this game they make terrible lists every time all right um well let's like cut I want to see what the rest of this looks okay yeah yeah it's a good limit miss they're all the Hall of Famer so it's a good place start Charles Barkley keeping him got it got you got to keep Charles Barkley it's top 25 player of all time yeah No, too many of your work. It makes sense. Yeah.

Paul George. Is he closer to Paul Pierce or closer to Charles Barkley? What's the last have you going on? He's probably closer to Paul Pierce than Charles Barkley. I'll probably say so too. I'll always say cut as well. Yeah. He's like right on the line.

He's right on the line. It's tough for him. Cut Paul George. Options is still open right now. Kauai Leonard. Keep. Easy. Keep.

Yeah. If Paul George is on the line, Kauai, scoes up that line a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No disrespect to Paul George, but like Kauai. Like the run he had in Toronto is. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

Yeah, no, there's none of the best playoff peaks. Not much you can really say with that one. Yeah. Kobe Bryant. Keep. No words. How about us? I dare you all say something. Keep in mind.

You only have one spot left on each side. Oh, we not are your Kobe. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah. So, last name. You have to cut him now. Whatever happens, so be it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

This is one last name. He likes to troll. You don't know this guy like I know him. I don't care. I can't lie. I'm keeping Kobe. You got to keep Kobe. Last name.

LeBron James. I may see like you did that on purpose. As I'm saying, you try to set them up. Yeah, like you could have just like cut Barclay or something. I don't know, I mean, I don't know. You're not cutting a top 25 players. Yeah, you cut a top two player. I don't know what to say.

I mean, blind ranking it is what it is. That's fine, but I'm not cutting COVID. I'm standing on my decision, so. Fair enough. Outside of the shenanigans, you know, we talked earlier about you really making a big leap this season and really, the trajectory is going where it should. Is there any tip you found over recent years from a former player or current player team that you have that you feel like made a big day, you feel like you

like it made a big difference in your game and you like oh moment or maybe even a trainer just like something like specific about certain angles or whatnot something that unlocked your game um that it was hard to pinpoint one specific thing yeah it's hard to say one specific thing that maybe say like oh like I just like figure something out but I was talking to UD probably like before my summer going into my third year and the biggest thing that he said that helped him stay around for like a while it was just being consistent and like keeping the same habit like the biggest thing that people, you know, lose out on as they go on in their NBA career is they just don't stick with their habits, they don't stick with their routine.

And as we see them phase out of league, you stay consistent each day. If you just move the penny one, one inch that way, like, you're going to get closer and close to the bank. So just got to keep, yeah, I just came up with that one in my head too. I was in the credit UD, but credit. Shout out of you. That's a bar. Shut out of moving pennies.

Yeah. That's how I feel like it's just like a little daily deposit. and so just been staying because this is with my work what is what is your your daily routine look like like like like from wake up to game day what does that look like for you it's not super specific but I will say like so game days I'm probably going to shoot a little bit before shoot around shoot after shoot around go back take a nap play video games for a little bit and then I get to the court pretty early like I I warm up with 99 o'clock like my clock doesn't move like if people don't understand like there's a game clock for when the game starts and it

starts in 99 and then it'll go the way down to zero like my game clock doesn't move so I'm there two hours before yeah I work out two hours before the game because just what I built in a routine and so practice days I'm working out before practice getting shots up after after practice and off days I kind of take my off days really seriously like I try not to do anything because it's so much going on like during the season you really got to. got to take your time off. It seems like you're really tapped into just like you're young. You're tapped into the online community somewhat.

What do you usually do during your off days? Are you watching other podcasts? Do you like just doomscraw on TikTok? What do you up to? What kind of media do you consume? Yeah. TikTok. You got brain rot?

Yeah, that's bad. No, it's really bad. I can't lie. Like I can hear a sound and I just already know exactly what the video is going to pop up. Okay. You're online so much. What are like the top annoying things? that you hear from NBA fans that just

irritates yourself. That's a good one. There's some dumb discourse. You have said out loud so many times that you are like a hater at heart. Is that true? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, for sure. But there any hate that goes too far that you feel like it's dumb? Yeah. No, really?

No. You can't do it. I like seeing people reach new levels in all honestly. The betting stuff, that's where it gets real, like, hilarious to me because, like, I'll respond back to people. Oh, you do? Yeah, they'll DM me something crazy. I'll respond back to them.

like this I don't really care I would show one but it's like this is a safe space yeah well okay I'll say this I'll show you that famous Dex video where he's talked about somebody being mad yeah so somebody sent a very long message and I just sent the video that's so ironic before this started I was I googled your name on on Twitter just to see if there's any like stats or something I miss of late the first thing I see is the first day I bet on Tremery if you're having this hot streak he fucking sells me 4 or 16 from the field.

Hey bro, you'll be all right. You should have bet two games ago. Yeah, tough. Man, I ain't losing no sleep over that, bro. It's such a like modern phenomenon to deal with like with how insane sports betting is these days. Like previous generation didn't have to deal with that. That's such a uniquely your generation thing.

Man, I feel like a lot of people wouldn't know how to deal with that if they played basketball during this era. Like, bro, my rookie year, I'm playing a preseason game. and I, like, dunked the ball to end or whatever. I don't know if that messed up, like, the spread or, like, the over under, whatever. And the dude, tech, he, like, DM, he was like, oh, like, you suck. Like, hey, you, blah, blah, this, and the third. Why would you dunk?

Didn't mean anything. I responded back, I said, bro, if you're been preseason games, call the hotline. A hundred percent. That's insane. Call the hotline. Something wrong with you. Yo, preseason is ridiculous. Well, you know how much minutes people are playing.

like this no it's disgusting I didn't know it was that deep for people man nasty work oh it gets deeper it gets deeper who's a who's a

I didn't even get that my bad we got deaf um who's the funniest player on your team right now I better not hear you I need a different answer

no I wasn't going to say me Javonte Javonte Green oh Javante Green is the funniest player on our team It was Naji. Naji was the,

he's top three funny in my entire, like, life. Really? Really? Yeah. Probably because he doesn't try. He's like, he's not trying to. He's literally like being himself.

Yeah. And you're just like laughing. And he's serious. And he'll get mad about you laughing. What are you thinking of when you think about that in a minute? Some super circumstance? What you can say? I mean,

you can say a lot on this show. Yeah. No, for sure. I'm just trying to make sure. He don't get mad. But, but, I'll talk about the recent one.

When we play against the maps at home, I had blocked the Spencer Denway shot, clear goaltending. Yeah. They did not call it. He called me directly after the game. He's just not an honorable person.

What about that? He was that serious. What are you want you to do? He said he was real. You'd have been like that commercial and you're like, Coach, I touched the ball. I was like. And he was dead serious.

He's not dead serious. But like, he said, I said in the most serious tone, though. And I'm like, I said, Nage, we have seven wins. You don't have to kiss my ass? Not happening. I could totally imagine looking the eyes. I lost respect for you today.

You know what? There's another one, too. I don't even mean to go on a tangent, but there's his Twitter page that keeps tracks of all the records, like the Pelicans, they tweeted out. They tweeted out that I passed Nage and fouls. Oh, wow. It's my Yeah

That's my He gonna quote tweeted All caps Yes with seven S is on me And I'm like Bro, you know you filed more to me He goes to say

The daddy says otherwise I'm like bro That's so wrong with you Like Hey it's so wrong with you Incorrect Is there any Is Zion Williams

been funny Behind the scenes Bro he's a lot He's a lot more different than people Give him credit for Yeah what is he like Because I feel like

There's obviously There's a lot of Right he's just like us Yeah He's just like us like he is a kid like he's a kid at heart like he was he'll joke around

he's a part of the group chat like all this stuff how have you liked his fashion progression over the years it's getting there what's it like in the locker room because obviously friends are like always jeering each other is there any you not even just with Zion specifically but like in the locker room

oh everybody nah if it's a bad fit I don't tell you absolutely as dice and dames he came in one of the worst fits I've ever seen in my town in Detroit This is my second year I remember this vividly And I said bro

You can't ever put that on it He literally went into He was in the closet Dark Just threw his close up in there And just rain under the roof Yeah It just picked something

Because it was worse I seen Shout out Dicey Daniels Who is the In your opinion Who has the best fashion On the team? I'll say to you

Damn He said no one could be with me Nobody I want to be fair So I'm not going to say one specific person, but Jose is up there. And then, you know, I'm not mad at Bruce Brown's cowboy swag, bro. Oh, okay. From time to time, it's different.

It's a little change of pace as him. I feel like wearing clothes has to be like your armor. So, like, whatever makes you feel most comfortable, wear it. I forgot you guys up Bruce Brown. What's your first impression of him and Kelly in the locker room in the few days you've been around them? Goofy. Goofy, both of them? Yeah, they add to the locker room, for sure.

I didn't know Kelly was, like, Kelly seems like a goofy person, but like, you don't know exactly how it works well, but like he's, he fits in right with us. Yeah. I'm so excited to see Kelly with you guys just because for years, I'm sure you guys have heard it. I'm sure you guys probably feel the same way. I need to see Zion Williamson with a stretch five for like at least five minutes a game. Let me see it. Are you guys excited to see that with Kelly Link? Yeah, no, absolutely.

He shoots a cover off the wall. Yeah. And he can really pass too. I think that's a really underrated part of his game. And, you know, having a big that can pass is it opens up your offense so much. It was great. So we're at All-Star Weekend. Consistently, I feel like these conversations have heightened over time.

Everyone's been trying to put in their two cents. Oh, the NBA ratings are down. This is why. This is why we need to make such and such things to the league. Nico said, Nico said, I got you. Don't worry. Nico said, I got you. What was your reaction to that trade when it happened?

Where were you? Do you remember the moment where you found out? I was in my room. I was in my room packing my bag for a nine-day road trip. I said, I guess. I, hey, man, anybody could get traded. Like, I was, it took me back a little bit. I had to stop packing.

I had to think about everything. I was like, man, like, it don't matter who you are. Like, you can really be gone the next day. Did you think that the trade was fake? Yeah. When you first off? Absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. Hey, send in my video game group chat. And I'm just like, all right, here go. Homies trolling again. Like, they got scented. And then, for real. And then I see the Shams thing and it says 100% real. I'm like, all right, so who took Shams phone?

Yeah. I still was like, there ain't a way this trade happened. But now when it happened, I actually called Najee, too. Wow. And he has some funny stuff to say. Oh, I'm sure. I'm not going to repeat as much as much as what he said. Whenever you finally had time to sit down and process it, get your own thoughts in line,

where you just like, Dan, the Lakers get everything, it's ridiculous. Like, I heard, who was it on the broadcast? It's the jazz front office guy. What is his, the GM's name? Yeah. I forget. Well, he was saying a lot of our peers around the league when we talk amongst GMs say they were blessed, that they got a hand out.

Is that the general perception you feel to among players? Um, I think as time is going on, I think it's been more of a, um, I'm not going to say exactly win-win, but it's more so, like, fair. Yeah, you understand. Like, at the end of the day, it's, you're trained away a top three player in the league. So it's tough to really be like, all right, this makes sense. But y'all acting like, 80 a bum. Yeah, yeah. So true.

80's nice. Like, he's the best pick and roll big in the game, my opinion. That's a pretty safe opinion. I agree. I would say so, too. defensively and offensively. So I think Dallas's moves more win now, like they said. And then Lakers, they have a star for the next 10 years.

That's going to be groomed by LeBron. And now they have another face of the franchise. How, what do you feel about just like we're first thinking about that dynamic there with LeBron and Luca? You know, obviously the first thought is people who are not thinking about too much, I think, are like, only one ball. Can they fit together, yada yada. Like, that's me safe to say as lazy as hell.

Mumbos. What do you feel about that fit? How do you think it's going to be to defend? I mean they got JJ as a coach he's he's just so happy and like over the more now there was one video I saw online where

he had looked down to the bench he was like LeBrona Luca and he was smiling and he had to tell him so to stop he's like calm down calm down but nah brother there's just two of the smartest basketball players in the league so they're going to figure it out

like they're going to find a way And also two of you It's kind of lazy to Because like Kyrie was an on ball creator But he can have like some all ball tendencies I think what people aren't realizing His brawn is a really good screen and roller And so playing in that short role for him

It takes a lot less miles off in him And like a lot less usage as well Yeah, it's great Well that's all the time we got with you today We gotta get you out of here Keep you moving to your next obligation On All-Star weekend Appreciate you coming through man

That's a fun conversation Appreciate y'all man It was great Appreciate you Yeah sir Yes sir Appreciate you got you

we we undersold to over deliver right there you go promised you one interview gave you two it is what we do listen we were having a lot of conversations right a lot of chit chat a lot of yapping overall start break but i hope you guys you know enjoy those two conversations those are very fun especially because again both of those guys are players who we as a group and as a show are really big fans of they're both having like you know really really good seasons so shout out to tray shout out to deris they're great awesome time listen yeah come come back on the show right yeah man exactly it was also weekends we only had so much time with those guys they had to move around a lot you

know we had like a 20 minute cap of darius 30 minute cap of tre murphy hopefully one day we can get the guys back on the show for a longer fuller-length interview who can go more in-depth on some stuff and we've got to fly through topics but either way it was fun like you said a lot of yapp but I'll start weekend. A lot, a lot of a lot of a app. A lot of yap. So I think our goal, we're going to give you TD3. Well, we're going to do Big J, real hard-hitting journalism stuff.

You know what I'm saying? But we're going to do TD3 stuff. Real hardy in journalism. Hey, Darius, what do you think about the skins at? What do you think about Donovan Mitchell's meat prints? Listen, it is not our fault that the meat print is in the cultural light guys of the NBA. It's just our job to ask those questions. and we react to the handwork dealt

and it's fine exactly and we did it so I'm brave by this I don't know it was a good interview I wish Moe was here talking about it too but it was a very good weekend what was your favorite

of all star weekend yeah yeah I've even tell him Moe was an all-star break this man's in Tahiti this man's vacationing good for him yeah well we're here to yap

in his absence you know we got him next to us in spirit as you got to see on the screen right now what was your favorite part of all-star weekend hmm what was my favorite part

of All-Star weekend honestly the interview interviews were cool because like obviously we've had like we talked to moses moody before but it was very cool just going back and forth like we had a lot of interviews lined up until it really felt like nonstop until talking to the players that we you know kind of talk about all the time like that's that was cool yeah yeah it was a good time yeah very hectic weekend but yeah outside of the all-star stuff we're you know every time we do these interviews we don't just give you the interview we give you also a regular T3 episode. What we're going to do this week for the bulk of the show

after remaining now. We didn't do a stream this week. So we didn't talk about the biggest news stories of the week. So we're going to do that for the next hour or so I'm going to run you guys through the biggest headlines of things that happens since the last time you heard from us. And then we'll go on the TikTok time, two man gaming it, two man weaving it. Should be fun. Let's go. First new story of the week, something that actually broke today as of recording this. We're going to start from a low point, something that is not fun, something that we all hate to see Victor Woman Yama

is out for the remainder of the year after... Oh, my Shayla! Oh, no! After suffering a deep vein thrombosis in his right shoulder, many of you probably saw that initial Shams tweet and said,

what the fuck is that? I concur, had no idea. It's a blood clot, essentially. And a specific part of your shoulder that apparently over the last week during All-Star break, he was really fatigued and they kind of realized,

oh, something's up. Turns out it is a full-on blood clot. He's going to miss the rest of the season. Yeah, I... I really, obviously, because like Wembe is not only one of like our favorite players, one of the best players in the league, one of the best players in the world, I do hope he's okay because I don't think it's ever been good whenever the reporter has to send out a subsequent tweet explaining what the injury is.

Yeah. You know, like when you actually, like when Shams has to go and do the Googling and then explain to us what this crazy medical term is, that's where everyone kind of gets like really nervous and then obviously like you've seen a whole bunch of people already start like oh no like this is this how it started with Chris Bosch like is he going to be okay like I listen I don't I have I'm not even going to sit up here and pretend like I know anything about blackouts obviously I just it just sucks because the spurs needed like they needed a break they needed to make a final push they went and got dear and fox and now we're not going to get to see them make that last push

for the you know for the remainder of the season so that that that does suck but tank season like yeah listen you know there's silver linings to everything there's silver linings to everything in this world you don't want to see victor women yama miss any times you don't want to see a blood clothe with anybody you don't know how severe that can get health issues that stem from that so hope for the best recovery with that being said i was not under the impression i was not under the impression that the spurs were going to do much this year regardless i've been telling you all year i love wimby shout out to aaron fox the roster kind of sucks around them i didn't have high hopes.

I have high hopes if this team can land a top five pick going to next year, as well as like the 13th pick with the Hawks. I see this. I get sad and then I get real excited because I'm like, oh, man, if Deer and Fox gets that thumb surgery that he's been pushing out, he's been pushing off for months now, he needs to get it repaired. Go ahead and do that this week. They're currently to 12 seed.

We can get down to 14. We can get a real good shot of capturing that flag. We can make something happen. I first first of that that would be absolutely insane if you had if you had if you had d'am fox cooper flag and in wendy for the next cry for the next five to seven years like that's that's insane I they already have like 20 plus wins and there's some teams that have been trying their absolute best to not win basketball game so I don't know I I don't know like how close to the line that they can get but yeah like this is 100% the time to

to go and, like, and tank and do all that stuff. But also, this is exactly why, this is exactly why you go and you get a Deerrin Fox because imagine if Wembe had gotten hurt and you don't have Deer and Fox on your team. And now you're going into next offseason with no building blocks. Let's say you don't get the top five pick. And now, like, all the momentum, all the hope, none of that is there. At least you can fall back and go into the offseason being like, okay, we have our duo. Now let's see what we're going to do around the, around the edges.

This is exactly why you go and you be aggressive. When you go and you be aggressive and you try to strike while the iron's hot. Yeah. I'm honestly, again, it sucks for him. You'd rather get when you be having playoff experience. You know, the team you want to compete anytime you have a top of 10 player in the world. So put that out there. I wish it didn't happen.

But I'm very excited because obviously, like you said, they got the building block. Stefan Castle, the past 15 games, has taken a leap. His rim scoring has been ridiculous. I think, especially if D.R. Fox does get that surgery, which is just speculation for me. But maybe there's a little management, whatever it may be. Cass will continue to get on-ball reps and really building out the momentum we've seen these last 15 games is an unequivocally good thing. They didn't give up a sell in that trade. Unequivably good thing.

It's, you can't really understand how exciting it is to have the potential to add two more lottery picks when you already have a star duo. Like, we said this last year when they were able to get two top ten picks next to Wemby to begin with. Obviously, they punted one down the line, traded it. traded that pick. They punted for Deeran Fox. It was a 2013 one Tim Bulls pick. It's even more exciting now when you can, we'll see where the lottery odds get them with their pick. But, you know, you already have the Hawks pick, which is currently 15th. You can imagine a world that falls into the lottery. Wainbee's already taken another step since this last year point we talked about this. They got Tim Duncan because they had to do the exact same situation. Exactly. So right now

in the Western Conference, looking at it right now. Spurs are out of it in terms of playing and stuff. Phoenix is at 11 and they are a game and a half behind Golden State for the 10th spot. Do we think that Phoenix has any chance of getting in or is the top 10 locked for you? Oh yeah. I think stuff has a chance, right? I mean, you get a chance for you got a chance for you got those guys. I don't know if I'm excited about their chances, but they have a chance, I say. Yeah, like mathematically, it can happen. But we've been, well, I mean, we've been. I mean, Boy, we've been hating on the sun for the last, like, two months. Sure.

We're talking about the 10s, though. It's not a high bar. I'm not saying they're going to make a deep run, but they could get into the playing race. All right. I mean, I don't know if I'm expecting it, but it's possible. I say it to say they can pass up the suns and they could like, I mean, they could pass up the spurs and push the spurs down.

And like for the purpose you're talking about, yes, that team could be better than them for sure. Okay. All right, that's fair. But outside of that, you know, looking forward, we're talking about what this team could add. I'm at the point in the season there where I don't have a huge understanding of the draft class coming up besides the top guys but i got this pulled up this

sports illustrated article you know the top three in this class cooper flag dylan harper vjohn let's assume they don't get a top three pick you go after that we have guys that are projected up here like tray johnson from texas uh i don't know how to say this guy the center's name from duke come on i don't want to butcher it but there's some interesting players in this draft ace bailey you know a forward score that has kind of his draft stock is dipped a little bit i could that'd be kind of cool imagine that big power forward scoring by next to Wemby? The A's Bailey pick intrigues me only because, like...

Wembe can come up the shortcomings? Yeah, he's very, he's very controversial because, like, on one hand, I appreciate his style the game so much because I always... Oh, you love a bucket-getter? That's what I'm saying. Like, he goes out and he gets, and he gets buckets. But if I think, like, if you are saying, okay, this guy's going to be the guy to come in and get buckets at a generational level,

because that's the only way that those guys get out and, like, do, do everything. Like, you need to be able to go out and get 33 points a night with absolute ease. Ace Bailey gets a lot of buckets, and they are very tough buckets, but that's the issue, is that he works so hard to get these tough buckets,

and that's what I'm nervous about. But if he is not the savior of your franchise and you put Ace Bailey with Deeran Fox in Wembe, that's where it's like, oh, okay, yes, please just go out here. and kill and get buckets and we'll be fine at that point especially early in a career when it could be a bench roll when you have assuming fox and vassel your back court next year maybe castle earns a starting spot you have a vassel at the bench whatever may be shit maybe all three in them

you could very easily whatever rookie it is starts off on the bench and a complimentary role you can put a plug-in-play bucket get her there but obviously obviously it would be nice if they duck these conversations in general all of this is a lot of like really big hoping that like that the ping pong ball is like far exactly it that way. Hey man, they're 10th right now in the lottery odds. So were the Hawks last year. And they got number one pick. Nothing's impossible. If there's ever going to be any finger put on the scale, this would be the time to do it from whatever parties are involved in the finger pushing on the scale. You think Adam would do it for this one? I mean, listen, if I was running the league, I think it would be real smart to put the Great White Hope Cooper

flag next to the other face to the lead, Victor Ramayama. And, you know, there's conversations this week about can an international player be the face of the league that's some good balance there in the two faces of the spurs that can complement each other and really be this dynamic duo forever i feel like i've had a pulse on the draft lottery for the past like three years i've really been in my bag in terms of like all right where is adam going to you know put certain people i had a tweet i can't remember if it was last year or the year before uh i think maybe i can't i can't remember but i have like exactly exactly Exactly predicted the number one pick previously.

Because, again, there's certain stuff. You predicted the Hawks? I can't remember if I actively did it. But I do remember talking about it. But I do think that, like, one of the things that I don't think that Adam likes is complete incompetency. So I love your treatment like this is real. Oh, yeah. No, no, no.

No, when I talk about it, it again, like, I know exactly what Adam wants, what he values. And so, like, I don't think that he would put Cooper in San Antonio because that would, that goes against his parody mindset, right? Okay. That goes against that. And he wants to save Utah rather than make Spurs unstoppable. That's all the same. That, why do you think New Orleans got his eye on Williamson?

Let's open our third eye. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Anthony Davis was out the door. The franchise was one of the least valuable franchises in the league. Had to give them the number one pick. See, you're not watching the game the way I'm watching. You're really not studying the way that I'm studying.

So when you talk about grinding film, just putting tape on the board, this is what I do. I'm watching evaluations. I'm on Forbes every day, right? You have to follow the money to follow the number one pick. It's what you have to do. All right. Next news story. NBA executives believe the Grizzlies could potentially look to move John Morant this summer per Howard Beck, a well-respected reporter.

This article came out and caused all sorts of pandemonium because there's not been basketball in the past few days and we ain't that shit to talk about. So everyone was talking about John Morant, right? Zach Clemmon, the GM of the Memphis Grizzlies has since come out and said, we are not trading John Morant. He said right now we're not carving that conversation.

So we'll put that out there first. Now let's pretend we don't know that. Because last episode, we came up here and we deeped over to the Grizzlies and what did I fucking tell you about John Morant? That he was about to get traded. That did you. that the sprinkles of like this seems like a situation yeah the tealese were there i didn't say

he's about to get traded but i said the conversation was post lucca trade i wonder what other star guard could get backdored and you could see the next player that we get surprisingly traded and we're talking about makes a lot of sense that it could be john moran not that we necessarily are predicting that but you wouldn't be shocked with how the season's gone it seems like their offense has really become more purposely less dependent on John Morant when he's on the court because of his availability they do the lowest frequency pick and roll team in the league they play a lot more to a style that fits jaron jackson fits the rest of the guys and isn't exactly glovingham fit with ja presumably in my eyes because they don't want to be relying on his availability

and also because before when they're playing more through him and pick and roll they had like the 25th half court offense in the league so maybe they were saying the john morant centric offense wasn't the juice wasn't worth to squeeze right so we were talking about this and then this report comes out where Howard Beck doesn't say he's hearing that they're going to trade him he basically says

I'm talking to GMs and they have similar theories to what I just described that they also see the writing on the wall and they think with another playoff disappointment

if that were to happen they could see a world where the grises have to entertain it very interesting that that came out exactly when we saw it yeah it makes

I think the the number one thing that like that obviously like Dallas have pointed out and then now you look at it with Memphis is in terms of like tea leaves and indicators of all this stuff is on a week to week month to month basis how much is this guy playing or how much how how available do you

think this guy is going to be for you in the next couple years because obviously Dallas was like basically like yeah Lucas fat as hell he's never going to play his is his is his Achilles is about to explode whatever they they feel that way they moved off of him jama is actually like that John Morant does not play, you know, five games in a row. Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't do that. And so if you're looking at, like, if you're looking at the Grizzlies, and we talked about it last week, part of the reason why they probably felt the need to go to this type of offense is because John's never there. So why would you, like, you can't prepare yourself for the playoffs because your star is not going to be here.

So I wouldn't, it wouldn't make sense. And I don't think, like, I don't think that if it, if it happened, that you look at Memphis and you're like, oh, how, how could you do that to Jai? I also think that having, you know, quote unquote, the situations that that Jai has had on top of the availability, all of that stuff that has happened over the last three years is like, yeah, maybe it's just not going to, going to happen here. And we can just move on. And so, Zach Climman's exact comments when asked about this, he said, I can't blame. other executives for fantasizing about us trading Jha, but it's just that fantasy. We are not trading Jha. Continue to underestimate Jha, this team and the city, and we will let our performances

on the floor speak for itself. I'm not going to give this nonsense further oxygen, and I look forward to getting back to basketball. Do for Zach Limel. Yeah, you've got to say that right. He should shut this down. Like, they're clearly right now not looking to trade Jha. That's not a thing. They're not making calls right now saying, hey, you want Jha?

We like with Nico Harrison, we want that same reaction. That'd be swell to trade the fan favorite. that's not happening and i don't think the initial report was insinuated that's happening the initial report is basically saying gm's my blood in the water and they think he might be next because maybe they don't necessarily see this team as having a chance to beat the thunder whether you believe that sure or not either here nor there but this is all about what we think the grisies might do in the future and even with zach saying this of course he feels is at this moment i don't think it's crazy to look at what's happening on the court and imagine a world or

maybe they changed their mind no and if i was if i was a team that like that needed a point guard He did a franchise point card. The day after the Memphis Grizzlies get eliminated in the playoffs, right? Whenever that may be, I'm calling you every day. So what's up with John? What's going on? What's going on? The same way that the cat Knicks deal got done where apparently the Nix just kept calling

and kept calling. It was like, is he available now? It's he available now? I'd do the same thing if I was somebody else looking for a star guard going after John Morant because depending on how the Grizzlies go out, if they go out this year in the playoffs the same way that they've gone out previously or if Jaws not on the floor in the elimination game,

that's going to look bad to a lot of people. And it'll stick in their minds. Yes, that's because when they went out in 22, what happened? Jai's not there, right? Jai got hurt. When they went out to, I guess the Lakers, the Lakers. Jaya was hurt at the end of that series.

If they go out another year and Jai is not on the floor, it's going to be like, well, Dale, like, are we ever going to be able to at least go down fighting with you on the floor? And so you're probably, you're going to hear that rumbling around the league and from like Memphis fans. You probably already do. So I wouldn't be shocked. And I don't want to, I don't want to piss off Memphis fans too much because I'm not even saying I would trade Jop. I would not be personally in the business of trading a player as high ceiling as John Morant. You guys have seen our playing rankings in the past. You know how high I've held on to my John Morant beliefs

and how much I see a world where if you get the most of him on the court, his value is immense, even if it's not necessarily in ways that we traditionally award in player comparisons. Like he's not super efficient. He doesn't blow your socks off defensively. The playmaking isn't like top five in the world. I still see a vision with him and just a downhill threat he brings that if you less properly, I think he's amazing.

I wouldn't be trying to trade him. I'm just saying I'd understand it. and I would not be surprised if it does happen. Now that Luke has been traded, everybody else can be traded. The only player right now who can be traded and I would have the same, like, oh my goodness, this is the stupidest decision. I can't believe this happened would be Wembe. Everybody else, if they got traded, I'd be like, well, Luca got moved, so I guess it's just open season.

Game is the game. Yeah. Just charge it. Yep. Next news story. We got some Kevin Durant comments. in an interview with Malika Andrews that were quite interesting. He said, when asked about, okay, so rewind a little bit, we know he almost got traded to the Golden State Warriors.

It apparently didn't happen because he told the Warriors he has no desire to play there, so they didn't go through with it and they ended up getting Jimmy Butler, right? Steve Kerr, I was asked about a days later, and he said, I get it. I don't know if I don't want to come back either after how everything went and all the public perception and the pressure he dealt with and the reasons we think he left. I wouldn't want to come back either. Link Andrews asked Kevin Durant about Steve Kerr's comments, and he said, that's not the reason why I didn't want to come back. I just didn't want to get traded midway through the season.

And in this clip, he also says explicitly, it has nothing to do with Dremont. Do you believe him? No. I know. But like, I think that a lot of people in the NBA are liars, but I think that they have to be. Yeah, you can't be up here and say, fuck Draymore, I don't want to play with them again.

You can't say that. Yeah, even if you felt that and like add like a 5% rate and it's not like the dominant reason why you didn't want to want to go back to Golden Estate, but you feel that way. Like you said, you can't say that. And then now Kevin Durant, knowing how social media works, knowing how the game works, now he just gave this quote up of like, yeah, I'm not doing it because of that guy. Like you are instantly starting something that just doesn't need to be started. when you and your team yourself are right out outside of the play-in,

all you guys should be focused on is basketball. All you guys should be focused on is getting enough wins to get to the 10 seed and saying anything else is going to bring all that drama. But I do think that it is very interesting that he's like, whoa, I never said I didn't want to go. I just said like, you know, it would be a lot. I had to find a new apartment, all that stuff. Like that's the most intriguing part about this. yeah he also was asked about the general situation about potentially being traded and he was like

i ain't asked for a trade you got to ask the sons for an office they're the ones trying to trade me and this is also coming weeks after i think it was brian winhorse reported with a lot of confidence he said it with his chest that one of the best the worst kept secret in the league right now is kevin grant will request to trade this summer he doesn't like how it went down he said that with some authority in his voice like he's like trust and believe he will be gone this summer so interesting you know maybe the i don't know what the warrior situation will be like like with Jimmy's rest of the season, maybe they try to go back down the road. It'd be kind of weird to trade Jimmy, you know, the next summer.

But apparently there was rumors that the Sons were interested in Jimmy as a part of this whole moving parts if there were to trade Kevin Durant. So he clearly didn't shut the door on the Warriors as a possible destination in the future. So it's at the very least interesting. If you put yourself in Kevin Durant's shoes, would you want to go back to the Warriors? Yes. Why? I love stuff curry.

Okay. He made my life better. He made my life better. And deep in my heart, I know I was at my best with him. And I know my life would be easy. And I'm dying to find a home. And I think I could go back to a home I once had. Maybe I rejected them at the time.

And I pretended they weren't my home. But I can make amends. Do you think that Warriors fans look at KD and be like, this is your home? Do they look at KD as like the prodigal son and be like, listen, like, we've been waiting for you to come back. Like, I don't. Fans are fickle? Fans are fickle, Warriors fans have been starved of hope as of late. And I think Jimmy Butler is good and I think it'll go decently.

I don't think they'll win in championship. So I think they'll take what they can get. And I think they talk a lot of shit now and they're like, oh, we don't want Kevin to Rand. We don't need him. Stuff better. I think the chance came around. I think they'd be open to it. I think it would be a positive reception.

But they would never. Because part of it of like why he's leaving in the first place is like, Yo, like, you guys dogged me when I was there. Everyone, the whole time was like, oh, yeah, step better. It's never going to be your team, this and that. And, like, I think, like, obviously we are, what, like four or five years away from, well, yeah, like five, like five years away removed from that. And so everyone's a little bit older, a little bit, you know, why is there more mature? You can probably navigate all those things a little differently.

But I still don't think that, like, if he came back there, at least from that. everybody else because you know you know what one of the talking points would be if he went back to the warriors whether he requested a trade or not ah here he goes running running back to step running back to step you know where home is they're still not going to love you like step is yeah yada yeah i mean i don't know obviously nobody's ever no NBA player in the history of the sport has ever had more psycho analysis done to them than kevin durant so it's like every fan including us has like this idea in their heads of what Kevin Durant thinks that some things have been understood

through comments he's made, some things have been pure speculation, mixed reporting, and whatnot. So I don't know how he actually feels about the situation in reality. I feel like it's probably, I tend to believe that maybe he just didn't fuck with Ramon and wanted to leave because he was a dickhead to him on national TV.

I feel like that probably made more of a difference than the like not getting enough credit. He doesn't actually strike me as a guy who's like, no, you better call me the best player, not Steph Curry. So I like to believe that five years later, with all the baggage behind him, that why not go play with him again? It would be cool.

It would be great. You'd be a good team. We know he likes quality basketball above all. He's made that very abundantly clear. He's about the game. He can play for a very long time. Steph Curry has it both go through the last five years their career or whatever. Percentage that he goes back to, to go to state in the next three years.

I don't know. Probably low. I mean, a lot of stuff has to happen. Say a number. 12? I don't know. thank you that's all I want well I hope

I can't wait because there's definitely going to be a Kevin Rand Trade Saga coming this summer I hope the Warriors are part of that because even just as a fan like I really want to see that happen I know we were high on Jimmy going there but once the Warriors

Kevin Rand to the Warriors became a possibility I want to see that story that's just a cool story for him to go back now with years of maturation yeah that that would be the fun part

it would be kind of sad though because it's like dang we got to watch our heroes as old I think it's cool, though. I want to see our heroes age together. Like when the LeBron to Golden State stuff was in the air, I was kind of like, all right, well, let's see them.

Be old men together. I guess that's fine. Yeah, but they're not going to win a championship is the thing. I don't really care. I'm like, we've seen two instances now of Kevin Arant as a mercenary going to these teams to build these stack big three, and try to win a championship. It hasn't worked.

I'm kind of over that. I don't really give a shit anymore in terms of like how Kevin Iran affects the championship window. So I think the novelty of him going back to Golden State would be cooler than me than him going and forming a third super team you don't understand i'm trying to think about step currie's best interest i'm trying you know i'm trying and i guess i guess like all in all having kevin dera on your team is it's always it's like 98% of the time is going to be in your best interest to have the air so it's like okay okay that that'll you know how rare of a team you

have to be to it would be more ideal to not have kevin durant than to have them like almost no circumstances ever would you rather not have kevin durand Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't compute the right way. Yeah. But okay, next new story. Let's stick to the Golden State Warriors and let's move over to the other side of that locker room

to somebody else that's not Steph Curry who we got to talk about. Draymond Green. Draymond was parading around TV during All-Star Weekend doing a lot of appearances. I think it was on T&T he was on. And man, was he being a negative motherfucker. He was up there saying how much he hates everything,

how much he doesn't think the rising stars element of the all-star game deserves to be a thing, yada, yada. That part, I guess, I don't necessarily disagree with, but he's completely right on that. Yeah, that's fine. Well, they should try harder

so they don't have to pull the young guys out there to No, I agree. I agree with that too, but having why is Keante George on my screen when it's All-Star, you know, like that part he is. Chase Jackson Davis, get out the court, I get it. But the interesting part was

he also talked about the state of the NBA right now and it's very boring. Everybody plays the same. It's all about who takes the most threes, who runs up and down real fast, yada, which to me is a very shallow understanding of the game, even from a player's perspective, I just think it's lazy and not accurate. My POV, what I love to see is Oscar Robinson also made it clear. He thinks that shit

is lazy and not accurate. There's a lot of Oscar Robertson Ether, Draymond Green. No, he did. He had a full clip. The summary is it might be boring to him because if he's not passing the ball to Curry, what is he doing? Not to single that out, because I think he knows how to play basketball, but he's passed the ball to Curry more than anyone. And I'll play the full clip and You can watch the captions and see all what he says. But he was like, who goes like, damn what Dremont thinks at a time like this?

And it was amazing. I can't wait. I can't wait to be 80 years old and just say whatever comes to mind. Old people are so unhinged. They are so just as brutally honest as, as can be. And it's like, and they are funny.

Yeah, they are funny because they are honest and mean. But like, but you know that they mean everything. that they say and so it's like but at the same time shout it to oscar robinson because like yeah the the game is not just i can we've obviously like gone back and forth it is at a literal level just more complex than people running up and down you know shooting yeah running pick and roll so like for i i guess like i expect for draymont for what draymond said i expect that to come

from a from like scotty pippen's mouth or like bj armstrong or like somebody who played it in the in the 90s and like hasn't grown up in this era's game it did kind of suck for draymond green one of the smartest players of today's game to say that about the game especially in this stage you know what i'm saying yeah and like he's welcome to his own opinion fine go for it you can think that i'm we talked to moses moody he also kind of thought that so players are a lot to think that if you want fans are a lot of think that if you want to each their own i understand why they think that i um i reject when people are like if a player saying it it must be true they know better than anybody i'm like well that's such a subjective

opinion that i don't necessarily care that he's a player having it you know i don't give a shit about that and i feel very i don't think it's too arrogant to say that that's straight up not fucking true that if you step back you can have your opinion i don't think it's true at all there's so many teams that play different styles we talk about the grizzlies they run the least pick and roll in the league. They run straight drives and isolations and attacking closeouts and rotating around filling spaces. They play absolutely nothing like the Phoenix Suns who run tons of ball screens, tons of mid-range jumpers. They play absolutely nothing like the Sacramento Kings who run through Demontasabonis as a DHO hub. Now imagine that compared to Luca Donchish,

who plays like Prime James Hardin, nonstop isolation and really Eurocentric ball, a heliocentric ball. All these stars have such unique identities. It is so simplistic to think they all play the same because there's a higher volume of threes, the way they get to those threes are entirely different. The way they defend is entirely different. Dremont knows better than anybody how complex defense is. Players know better than anybody how complex defenses are. It's why do we have players going on TV talking about the game sucks now? Even just leave it there. Even if you think that's true, why the fuck, like what is the point of that discourse? And the, the most disappointing part or is disappointing and predictable out of everything.

Do you remember when Dr. While first started his podcast when he first started showing up on TV and he's responding to people on Twitter and at the end of it, he's always saying whatever tweet, hashtag new media, with a new media, players are coming in and giving the same perspective. And everyone was like, okay, that's cool, right? It's cool whenever you go on your podcast five minutes after, I, I, I, after a playoff game and some wild stuff has gone down. And now you can tell us like, oh, yeah, we were talking about this in the huddle

and this ref said this and that's not really what happened. That's great. That's new media. Wait till you get to July, buddy. Wait till you get to all start breaking. No games are happening. And you have to come out here and start talking. And now you're here in this moment doing the same thing that hashtag old media has been doing

and you are falling into everything in terms of hot takes, rankings. he had an offseason where after the Warriors had lost, had a live show, and went straight to oh yeah, Steph Curry, he wasn't a Bucky Gitter back then and KD was doing this and went straight into like Twitter conversations. And so like the evolution of Draymond Green's media career and his media presence, it really is, that's what I think is the most interesting part about it because it really has fallen into straight old media conversations and the fresh perspective that he has given and still can give like from time to time it still does give yeah yeah with the other stuff yeah but you're not

getting that as consistently as as you did a year or even two years ago yeah I think it's a this is like a whole different very interesting conversation about like why media is the way it is and yeah like you said the player media push over the last five years has been excellent it's been great to see it's better that players you represented than not be represented in terms of driving narratives. But there was a lot, there was a lot of pompousness in the beginning about how different it's going to be, how easy it is to not do old media stuff and everything. And as you see, for all the reasons you said, people devolve into that, it's pretty fucking hard to fill a year-long calendar of only do the best, most fresh, non-stop ideas

and not do any low-hanging fruit to do stuff. Like, you start to realize when you're sitting in the chair how much these things that people do in old media, the clickbady stuff, the stuff for aggregation, all this stuff, it happens for reason because just the platforms kind of incentivize it at some extent. So you're right. That's a larger conversation about like the realities of what's necessary to do constant programming. Facts. And at least we're honest, right?

Oh, I'll click the fuck at you every week. That's what I'm saying. We lie to y'all. But as soon as y'all click that video, we tell you, we lied to you. So at least we are, we are honest. You know what I'm saying? every single thumbnail I can I'm going to put the Warriors or the Lakers

and I'm going to put a negative number next to him to make those fans mad and click the video and I'll never fucking stop I'll never stop and to be honest if I'm telling you that I'm lying to you am I really lying you know what I'm really just telling the truth

games is the game listen come on come on every week I'm going to rank some shit I'm going to tear list some shit I'm going to do something that makes your brain go oh I got to watch the rest of this video come on you're not seeing the game

the way we're seeing it tap in Lock in And I won't pretend to be anything otherwise We're gonna play the game Because that's what you need to do There will be the substance Along with it

But we will always do what's necessary Thanks But yeah man So it was just funny to see Oscar Robinson ether him a little bit Because it's such a lazy comment And it's funny to see an old man Who doesn't get out much

But has the credibility To eat the Dremong Green And he can't really say No Oscar could be outside though He was that also weekend He was from him Yeah now It was a surprise

That's why he's doing this He's talking like he's out there like And but yeah What is Dramon gonna say To Oscar Robertson now he'll probably still try to you know pull up on Oscar you know sure but go ahead try it's it's Oscar Robinson ultimate credibility they'll have a conversation yeah okay next new story last new story of the day there's been some discourse about the Los Angeles Lakers Mark Williams trade that

was rescinded as you know they traded for Mark Williams and immediately said never mine we ran our physical we think you're broken we think we don't want to pay this much for you because we are not as confident as we once were about your long-term health we're good give us back mr connect four that was met with a lot of surprise people's first reaction was oh his physical must have been scary to make them back out and want to play with no centers that must have been horrible right in recent days we have shams uh telling people what mark willins's agent thinks of the matter he says the overwhelming sentiments after conferring with multiple nationally recognized doctors is that the Los Angeles Lakers

should not have failed Mark Williams on his physical. He also said, Mark was ready and able to play for them and should have been given that opportunity. And then Mark Williams in a post game presser said that long story short,

he kind of thinks maybe they regretted it because they gave up too much. He doesn't know what it was, but he doesn't believe it was really as physical. I'm sure he doesn't. You know, I'm sure it sucks to be like, yeah, man,

you're broken. And not only are you broken. You can't live in L.A. you got to go back to Charlotte. I'm sure it sucks to be told that in one day. So, like, yeah, I'm very curious. So, like, is there any way that the, that, like, this trade can be forced to go through in the offseason?

Not anymore. There was reported that the Hornets were thinking about petitioning it. They didn't have actually, they did not end up actually filing the petition. So I think it's past that. It's just done. Yeah. But this is so interesting because can people not see through the clear PR spin

that they're being given? No. This is why you have PR Yeah, this is why you have agents Like, I don't know if this is not obviously people Because now people on Twitter are talking about Rob Polinca got buyer's remorse And I saw some people trying to like big brain it

And say, Rob Polenko wanted to show Luke Wondoshes that he'd get the trade And then rescindic Because he didn't actually want to give up the picks He just wanted to look at a think that he's smart And wanted to go to help him and do what he wanted None of that is true They gave up a lot for him

They brought him in and said, we're scared Maybe he doesn't have knee cartilage or whatever Whatever the physicality thing may be Not worth it. they didn't prefer to have no centers and waste a year where they don't have a final ceiling because they have no bigs. I can guarantee you they'd prefer to have Mark Williams if he was as advertised and not. But now we have a lot of people on Twitter who believe that like Palinca got scared because maybe he didn't know who Rob Williams was. I mean, Mark Williams

and he gave him too much. What you're seeing is Mark Williams is a good agent who does not want the rest of the league to think his body is broken beyond repair so he can never make money. They want him to think that Rob Polink is an idiot. I'm worth $30 million a year. Give it to me. and the Hornets want people to believe that so other teams say he's worth two first round picks give it to us yes do you think that like if Rob Polinkas planned

was I'm gonna I'm gonna complete this trade and then rescind it on our own because we're gonna fail Mark Williams whatever what type of sense does that make to do that to Dalton connect to the to the first round pick that you drafted this year

to to make Dalton connect go through all of of the mental gymnastics that he's had to go through over the last, like, two weeks where it's like, okay, yeah, you're actually traded. Actually, come back to the team and act like nothing ever happened. Like, that's a very, very hard thing to do. And so, one, it just wouldn't make sense to put, to put, connect through that. And not only are you trying to show Luca that, yes, we are going to make moves and we are

trying to get people in the building that you like to play with and that, you know, theoretically fit your play style, you also have a 40-year-old LeBron James that you are trying to also maximize a window. Like you can't waste the last three months of LeBron playing like this because you have no idea how he's going to, you know, show up next season. And so the same way that they did two years ago where they completely restructured the team made a run to the Western Conference finals, that's something that they probably could have done this year if they got Mark Williams and he was.

everything that they thought he was going to be. Like, if Mark Williams was healthy, and they actually had a center, and you got Luca Donchitz and LeBron, like a re-invigorated LeBron James, that team out west where there's a whole bunch of just like, oh, I don't really know about this team. I don't know about that team. The Lakers could have made a run. It doesn't make sense.

I came up here and I said, I think they can make the conference finals, and I'm not, it's not insane. I think they can make the finals of things more well. Everybody said that. everybody everybody as soon as the mark williams deal got done everyone's like oh my god the lakers they did it again oh my goodness so like you clearly see the value in obtaining a mark williams rather than having dalton connect in that spot and whatever assets like you were you were very

content trading away that first round pick because it's like we're gonna have luca for the next 10 years we don't care about those picks like it yeah all the reasonings just doesn't, it just doesn't make sense to backtrack it. I hate a dumb conspiracy theory. And I hate when people can't see when they're being manipulated through the media. They're trying to fix his reputation to you and you're eating it up as a way to say, ha ha, Rob Polinka's dumb. You're being bamboozled by a smart agent who thinks you're too dumb to see through it and he's right this time. You are proving him right. For sure. Watch it come out that Rob Polinka like actually backed out and wears up here being confident and wrong.

Listen, that was to everybody. I've been loud or wrong plenty of times before. You can be both. Exactly. That won't be my first. This won't be my last. I don't kidding. I swear to you,

I'll never stop going in being wrong. I promise you. I promise you. Because you never think that you're wrong, right? Yeah, yeah. Exactly. People say to me all the time. They're like, oh, my whole life, especially in the comments here,

everyone's always like, he's always acting like he's right. I wouldn't say it if I thought I was wrong. Of course, I'm going to say it confidently. Exactly. wouldn't come here with like halfway confidence. If I didn't believe this shit, I wouldn't be saying it. Exactly. That's how it always is in our conversations where me and you will argue and the comments

will be like, Isaac's so annoying. He's always talking to Donovan like he thinks he's right. I'm like, we disagree. And of course I think I'm right. I'm not going to tell him this. I think I'm halfway right. I believe this shit. Yes.

I'm just more passionate. I don't know. And if I find out that I'm wrong mid-conversation, I'm going to be louder. Like at this point, it's just. about pride. Like, I can't go out like that. You know what I'm saying? So you're not, you're not going to know until I turn the camera off. I'd be like, actually, I actually felt this way. You kind of got me 20 minutes ago. I see, people are always dying for me to like, like, we mean you argue for me to be like, all right. Well, maybe you're right. I don't know. I guess we don't

know. I'm like, no, where are you in? What do you want me to say? Like, I think he's wrong. I think I'm right. We wouldn't be having a conversation if I felt otherwise. I'm not going to lie to you and say I don't feel that way anymore. I wasn't convinced in the last two minutes. Yeah. It's always funny. Okay, can I, can I throw, can't throw something at you?

Because I've actually given a lot of thought to it. I'll catch it. Okay, so I've been thinking about the All-Star game a lot. And so obviously this is going to come out on Friday. Yeah, I'm throwing it, listen, this is a back shoulder, right? Backshoulder. So two things. One, I don't think that we should scrap the weekend.

I think that you can continue to have the game. Let me give you my proposal for things we can do to the game. How do you want to fix all the weekend? Let me know. Okay. So one, I think we bring back legends on Saturday night. Like, you used to have like a legends like shooting stars where you have like a legend current player and like a WNBA player. I think you bring that back.

The whole weekend, all I've heard all week from a lot of like the older people. in media, this is saying All-Star Weekend was cool when I was little because you never got to see, you know, a certain All-Star every single night of the week. And so, like, All-Star Weekend was, like, very novel in that way, and it's

just not that anymore. So All-Star Weekend needs to be something where you can celebrate the game. I think that you go back to the game, and here's what you do. We use FBA time rules. We cut the game down from 48 minutes to 40 minutes.

There's too many threes, right, in terms of, like, in an all-star context, it's too much bad basketball anyways. Let's make the game shorter. So by doing that also, you kind of eliminate a little bit the possibility of like a blowout. So you get, you get feeba stuff. We do the Elam ending. I actually like it for the All-Star game. You play a regular quarter.

and then at the end you take whatever score at it that's the target score we do that and it feels like it feels like pick up basketball now because the game is shorter and you're doing the elemending you still have time pre and post game even at half time to have all the mr. beast and Kevin Hart that you want and all the product placement that you want so the NBA like your ad sponsorships still good we start every single quarter like a in the 60s jump ball right we do that we did it every quarter in the 60s yeah i don't think i knew that that's kind of like those yeah there was a point the jump ball is how you start the quarter yeah so we're so we're doing that with really every single error and i don't know how this is how

this is going to work with the all-star practice but you really do we're drafting we're drafting teams before the game on the court on the court we are drafting teams before the game and again the biggest like all the corporate people are going to be like but the jerseys but the jerseys guess what now you get to sell jerseys in two colors because people don't know what side they're going to be on so that's how that's how i would fix the game we would have the draft before the game it would be a shorter game but you still get to have all the highlights you have the elamending you put everything together and you take something from every little era something from every little way of basketball

basketball and that's what you do you make the jerseys reversible and they physically flip them inside out if they got drafted for the other team like it's youth ball exactly we're cooking yes we make the jerseys reversible that's exactly what we would oh that's like you want to sell more jerseys that's a novel shit that would help with sales to be able to have two jerseys and one I'm we got to do that we got to do that but yes that is Adam take notes that's that's my way to fix to fix the all-star game Because all the gimmick stuff, and this, you asked us this before when they announced it, I was like, I don't care about this system because it's not going to look good unless the players actually try. So like, whatever you do, the buy-in is, the buy-in is going to be the buy-in.

And I'm very confident that the buy-in is going to be good because did you see how hard Wembe was trying this whole weekend? He, he cared. He cared. him and Janice for the next five years are going to be the two guys that are going to go crazy try hard this whole time and people are going to be forced a player there are going to get embarrassed so that is that is my proposal I'm glad you have a bevy of ideas on how to save the all-star weekend

because I could not give less of a fuck all this discourse people keep asking me you guys make a video about how to save all-star weekend like the rest of NBA YouTubers fuck no I'm not I do not care I will not pretend to care. I didn't watch the All-Star game. I was on a flight home after a busy All-Star weekend. I was tired.

I had no desire to go back and watch it. I, to me, All-Star Weekend has been dead for so long. It's pretty much been dead for most of my fandom. You know, like, I started really getting to basketball when I was 11, which was like 2010. Like, it hasn't been super exciting my whole life. It's not this new, like, last five years thing. So it just doesn't mean a lot to me.

Like, I know you mentioned the old heads, like back in the 90s, I meant a lot because you don't have a league past. You can't watch these teams all the time. I've watched 51, I'm going to play all the time. I don't need to see him do it on a blue and yellow court. It doesn't mean a lot to me. I'm okay with it kind of just dying and slow death and we still do it. It becomes this corporate partnership weekend, whatever it is what it is.

I personally don't feel a lot of hope in the all-star game becoming good again for all the reasons that I'm well documented with the players having too much to do and all this stuff. I kind of just don't care if it dies or not. But, and I feel I feel that. However, I went back. And I was doing research because I was like, is this actually an issue? I looked from 1984 to 2000 in basically like the years that Jordan played. There were four All-Star games that were decided by 15 points or more. In the last 15 years, right?

Like you, four. 15 years in the last year, so around of four years? no no no in the last in the last 15 years there have been four all-star games decided by 15 points or more the same as oh the same okay the same as like yeah the same as as whenever jordan was in the league the amount of blowouts is not is not the it's not the key what people don't like to see it's like oh they're scoring 200 points you can't give the players the opportunity to score 200 points if you cut the game down there you know nobody nobody even cares about actual basketball like the best parts about all-star games are one to two highlights here and there.

And so if you still allow the game to happen, you can still have like, oh, here goes Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum playing one-on-one against each other. Here's, you know, Kobe and LeBron playing one-on-one. We have somebody doing a crazy off the backboard. As long as you can get one to two of those a game, that's all people care about. That's all people care about that spot. At the end of the day, you're battling psychology. And the psychology is 200 points scored, yuck.

you remove that part of it maybe people will look past it yeah my the only thing i don't like is that uh it becomes a bigger referendum where we got to talk about the state of the league and how dire oh we do that every week so i know and it's so exhausting like you can believe that if you want to take the ratings numbers from early in the season to heart and say you're scared for the long-term health of the league post tv contract whatever go for it been there done that talked about it but you can have the belief i don't care that much if all-star weekend is the reason you feel that way what the fuck are we talking about i guess that's the point i just do not feel like All-Star weekend, is that important to the health of the league to warrant so much conversation?

And I know I'm being sticking the mode. It is also a weekend, so we're going to talk about it. But as far as it being a big deal that decides, like, the trajectory the league is on, like, there were some people, some NHL fans getting their shit off where they were like, NHL had a great off their weekend. They're going to pass the NBA pretty soon. They did, they do. I believe.

I saw it. Good for them. Do we, somebody framed it like the average NHL salary is $2 million. The average NBA salary is 11 million. That'll be flipped in five years. And you can see that based on this all-star game showing you where the leagues are heading. Like, shut the fuck up. Like, if you don't know, I need to make everything this big takeaway.

Like, the All-Star game sucks to me that has very little bearing on the health of the league as a whole. That's what I'm saying. Adam, just call this up. I feel like every two, every two months, whenever we have these like state of the league conversations, I feel like we have very reasonable and implementable ideas that ultimately would just be right. So Adam, hit our line. We was just in San Francisco. We were in the same city.

Let's build. You know what I'm saying? let's talk and with that being said we don't have Mo here to do a dramatic you know reaction or transition

of any sort I don't know if you want to jump around and start screaming Donovan if you want to fucking take your shirt and swing it in the air

but I think it's I think it's my shirt stays on should the pants come off not the shirt man let's start

let's start we're on to TikTok time let's go welcome Welcome to TikTok time. Today we're going to start with something you've never done before. I'm going to name you an NBA player

and I want you to tell me who the opposite of them is. Let's go. Whoa, I said that's who the opposite of them are. Or how do I say that? Who their opposite is? Who their opposite is? That's what I meant to say.

It's who the opposite of them is. Gotcha. Who their NBA opposite is. So, you know, could be play style-wise, could be persona, what they're known for, whatever may be. Who is the antithesis? of this player.

Got you. Like current, all time? All time. All time. Perfect. So wherever you want to take it, when I say who's the opposite of this player, you tell me what comes to your mind. Got you.

First name, we got Steph Curry. Andre Roberson. I've never seen a non-shooter like Andre Roberson. Legendary levels of lacquer shooting. And honestly, great defender. Steph Curry, just okay. Role player to star. That's an opposite.

I see a lot here. One can dribble, one can't. Exactly. I have, I've seen Kevin Durant yell at Andre Robeson for not shooting the ball. No, he would ever yell at Curry for not shooting the ball. He would, nobody. They would be begging him to, to shoot the ball. So yeah, I'll go Andre Robeson. Okay, that's a good way to start. I'm sticking to the basketball. Next name, Shaquille O'Neal. Kobe Bryant. If you just want to go. Work at the glass? Yeah. Personality. Just off of who likes to wake up at five,

at 5 a.m. Watch motivational YouTube videos. Who has, quote, scribble it all on their wall. Kobe Bryant is that guy. Shag is like, yeah, man, I'm going to just roll out of bed. School 45. And I'm going to go to the club. And Kobe's like, I have to go to sleep at 10 p.m.

Because I'm going to wake up at 5.30 because I have to get my lifting 20 minutes after. I have to slaughter a chicken to make my lunch. Everything has to be out the mud. And, okay, so who's the man? It's hardworking. but also small and weak in their play style. Ooh. Like, I think honestly on court,

Steve Nash is like the opposite player of Shaq. Probably. He suits a lot, very small, not very strong. And now you know why Shaq was tight whenever Steve Nash took those MVP's. Facts, he saw the opposite. He saw like the reverse flash in the mirror. He was like, this guy's everything I'm not.

He's still sick about it to this day. He still can't talk about Steve Nash. I didn't even know he had that grudge. That's funny. Oh, no. He keeps, if we ever meet Shack, you have to just be like, yo, Steve Nash deserved those two MVPs. He might slap you.

I can swear to you if we ever interview Shaq, I will bring up Steve Nash now that you say that. I've never been more sure about something in my life. I will say. You have to bring it up. I think Steve Nash is the top 15 player of all time. What do you think about that? That ball, stole my rings.

Don't ever say it ever again. This guy. Don't let me hear you say that ever again. all right Steve Nash and Kobe there you go those are opposites of Shaq

next up Victor Wambiama so the longest player of all time naturally the opposite has to be the shortest player of all time so it would be

mussy bokes but he's the longest player that can also shoot who's a short player that can't shoot you can't play defense short they can't play

Faku Campazo I was thinking I was thinking compaso too He is everything Winby is not Obligible to European Who is an American

Composso I don't know American Capazzo There's not a lot Who These dimers That can't shoot like that Rondo

Who is tiny But Rondo's not tiny Yeah he's not tiny Yeah he's not tiny Is Ty Jones small enough For the sake He's not comically tiny Like Wemby is comically large

Mm-hmm this is this is really tough because like you can't be tiny and can't shoot they won't let you on the court like that's why it's hard to think about it has to be mugs like he's the only one that is like outlandishly small in the same way that victim women yama is outlandishly large it's like mugsy boggs big baby davis and like that's the idea i've been waiting for like a minute and a half to say that he's a hey by the way he's huge Those are the two counts. If you put them on an x-axis, like, Wembe is like up here.

Well, let's combine them. Wemby is tall and slender. Is there anybody that's small and large? No, they don't let you on the court. If you're 5'3 and fat, you're not getting on the court. If you're Danny Davido, you can't play sports. No. No.

Okay, so you can't truly be the option of Wembe. No, you can't be shaped like a bowling ball and get on an NBA floor. You have to, you have, if that is you, Jersey Mike's commercials is your avenue. Like, that's, that's where you have to go. He said that guy from a movie's that reality show where they had a really big guy, became a meme, the small guy. Oh, the no neck guy? Yeah.

Is it like 90-day fiance or something? Uh, I think so. It was something like that. That's him. Okay. Next name. We got Kevin Durant. Uh, I need.

Eric Bledsoe We could say Bledso I could also say potentially again I don't know him personally but just the way that people walk around Kyle Coosma Kyle Coosma what does that mean

KD is all about the game he he loves nothing more than basketball that's all he lives and breeze and thinks is just the game I haven't gotten the impression that Kyle Kuzma is the same way Listen, Kevin Rant

Probably doesn't know who Robert F. Kennedy is Kyle Kuzma knows who Robert F. Kennedy is. That's what I'm saying, Kyle Kuzma has a lot of different interests and he lets them be known. KD's like, yeah, like I'm involved in some other stuff, but I love basketball.

He was just, you saw the documentary, he was crying over how much he loved basketball. I don't think Kyle Kuzma has ever gotten to that. point where he's just thinking about a hesy hesy tween twine and burst into tears oh maybe his opposite is bowl bowl bowl and so far as like they're the polar opposites of what could have been with similar body types one wants to be destroyed lonely one wants to be dirt it's different destroy lonely yeah we can go there like they're both got into the same circumstance making

the NBA with this style of play one way one way one with the other just historically not about his buckets famously not about his buckets identifiably not about his bucket just does not give a damn about his buckets happy to be there Kevin around is unhappy to be there is unhappy to be there yeah

next one shout out Bobo man Dylan Brooks Malcolm Brogden oh dude that's what I wrote down really oh let's go we got the most aggressive role player and the most passive professional role player

you can imagine the most reasonable person in the world and the most easygoing person in the world that's what I'm saying Malcolm Brogden people call him the president Dylan Brooks can never lead a country you would not feel safe

if Dylan Brooks had the nuclear codes i wouldn't i wouldn't like that situation malcolm brogden probably knows the codes right now you know what actually no he probably he probably knew him like you know four years ago but he doesn't know he doesn't know them right now but yeah nah that that can't work out trustworthy versus you got something up your sleeve and i know it look at this picture he looks devious yeah Drake would never dis malcolm brogden that's true would never have a reason to Malcolm Brodner would never put himself in a position to be dissed so yeah Kawhi Leonard

Someone loud Patrick Beverly Oh that's a good one Patrick Beverly He might be one of the loudest players in NBA history Yeah pound for pound has been the loudest Yeah like in turn Also like yeah

Just in terms of like words words per production yeah exactly per production is a good way to phrase it Kauai lets his play do all the talking doesn't say a thing

Patrick Beverly that's nothing but his mouth through the talking it is the complete inverse yes yes it has to be Pat Bev I've never he honestly is

one of the top five yappers in NBA history oh yeah generational yapper like his mouth is one of the best NBA mouths you've ever seen in the way that

he used it on the court off the court for entertainment for play for podcast yeah podcast shit talking

mental edge all that incredibly versatile mouth no one's ever gonna do it like him that Paul George

um someone real clutch someone who's really clutch and doesn't have a lot of aura whose game is just the most unsmooth you could think of

I was gonna say Chris Milton but he's smooth Chris Milton is smooth I need like Like, uh, this. Herky jerky, clutch, not a lot of aura, but gets shit done.

See, but that's the thing. If you are herky jerky and clutch, you have aura. Yeah, yeah. Oh, who's like, fundamental aura? Ah, because he, Monarchian, nobody has aura, so it can't be him. Yeah. Who has fundamental aura? Drew Holliday.

Okay. Nah, nah, nah. It's not the opposite. It's a weird. Paul George is so well-rounded and balanced It's hard to find the opposite of balanced This is This is really, really tough

Because I don't know Because like Paul George Kind of just like Tony Parker Floats into a spot Doesn't feel right, okay No, yeah This is really hard

Who the complete opposite of Paul George is Hmm I guess you can't have an opposite of Paul George He's too orifle I guess he's a one of one. Wow. Paul George, you've done it. You're perfectly balanced as all things should be.

I'll come back next week. I'll think on it. We'll think on this one. Next up, Magic Johnson. Josh Giddy. Elaborate. Magic is 6-9 black good passer. Josh Giddy is 6-9 white and throws very bad.

add questionable passes. Okay. I think. So Magic Johnson, I'm just like star to star. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just trying to think of like,

of like big passers or big like passes, but like aren't great passers. So Magic Johnson, star player, charismatic as hell. Just bleeds aura, gets it done in flashy ways. Who's the opposite of all those words?

Tim Duncan. Oh, okay. Tim Duncan. At an all time level, got you. Get to done still. No aura, always available, never misses games for any reason. Tim Duncan. You know what?

I'm with that. We can do that. Stays on the court. Next one. Kobe Bryant. Who has no mama mentality? Who is the antithesis of mama mentality? Who could not have less mama mentality?

Simply in their approach. Um, oh, oh, I think I just got, go back two slides. Is Russell Westbrook kind of Paul George's antithesis? No. Because he is much more herky jerky. Oh, yeah, he's not smooth. Okay, so Russell Westbrook is the opposite of smooth. Both still effective, but he is not smooth.

That's the only thing that- Just muscle-bound. Yeah, just straight, straight force. Oh, Dwight Howard. Dwight Howard is the opposite of Paul George. that's good that's it the opposite they both get shit done one is a fan favorite smooth or a man one is a walking bicep that's true okay i like dry howard Kobe bryan who has no mama mentality my first my first thought

you go first you go first actually just based off of work ethic and stories that I have read James Hart no James Hart does have terrible work ethic you were going to say like Zion Williamson or something somebody who was like gotten flacking the media for not working too hard oh well I'm just talking about like clubbing and not clubbing that's it you know that's that's that's that's all when I when I say work ethic I just mean like James like like Kobe might go home and then go to practice James Hardin is going to go to the club then go home then go to practice like that's the right does not probably do not know the names of bottle girls don't ask James Harden how many he knows you'll be there online that's exactly that's that's the only

That's the only thing that I was basing it off. Okay. We'll be outside. We'll leave it there to not disrespect anybody else. Luca Donchich. Kobe Bryant. Listen, you asked Nico Harrison. There's a lot of opposites of Luca Dachshundjich.

I know. Nico Harrison says Shack is Lucas. It's like, yeah, man, Shaq just comes in, works every day. Dumbie. Who is the opposite of Luca Donschich? So, Luca, so I think Luca is. main defining part is that it's like low effort he doesn't got to come into the season in shape he just wakes up bleeds talent it's natural to him who's the opposite jimmy butler is the opposite

he has to work for every ounce of production he's ever gotten yes the ultimate just grinder jimmy jimmy beller has never seen a workout he didn't like that amount of bench press buildings if he can he does wakes up rolls out of bed behind the back pass he has every subscription he goes to the team to the team doctor trains he has p90s he has p90s He has Pelotan. He does yoga. He does Pilates. He plays soccer.

He'll be playing dominoes just to strengthen his mind. He does every workout possible. I guarantee you he does not know what Overwatch is. He's never played it a single day in his life. Games? Do you think life is a game to Jimmy Bullitt? It's not. For what?

It's not a game. I came from nothing. At all. Come on. Street the time bar tough. All right. Next thing we're going to do, let's do another blind tier list. Let's move over to hoopgoat.com, a site we've been frequenting as of late.

They have this blind pyramid format that we really like. You know, it's a tier list. Top tier, you don't put one person, two people the next one, three people in the next one, four on, so on. I like these a lot. I don't know about you. No, these are great. Okay. So you guys know how it works?

Let's fill out this blind pyramid. First name we got, Patty Mills. Where did we begin with this? I'm scared of what comes after this. I feel like in every tier or in every tier list. Patty Mills can be right there in that yellow He could be in tier three

Tier three It's Patty Mills I feel we gotta go tier four What if we're talking about shooting Oh but I mean Do you want to do shooting Or I don't do how good the player is Alright we'll just go how good the players

We'll go for it Okay tier four But Patty understand I know who you are Next up we got Clay Thompson Okay so I'm sensing these might all be elite shooters I told you we should have put Patty in the third row Nevertheless I think Clay can

I mean let's still do off how good the player is Is Clay Tier 2 or 2 3? Tier 2. What if there's like Larry Bird, Steph Curry, and Kevin Durant? Well, that's weird to blind. Like, I don't know. I prefer Tier 3,

but I can be swayed to Tier 2 if you're passionate about it. If you want to hold out for stars, we can hold out for stars. And we will be conservative here. The next one, we might have to be aggressive. Yeah, we've got to start pulling the trigger

pretty soon. Danny Green. Oh, yeah, we're talking, we're talking about shooters here. You can't be next to Clay Thompson Yeah, that's fair Okay Kimball Walker

Whoa Prime Kimball He's an all-star I've got to put him to three Go ahead Go ahead That kind of threw me off though Because the other three guys are

What is happening here? Yeah, I don't know what we're cooking Jaylon Brown Are we just going off of Okay I guess we're going back We're just going based on players Jayne Brown has to be in the same tier As Clay Thompson and Kimball Walker

Yeah I don't know what category Are we here but there you go Kyle Corver Hey man We better hope There's some superstars coming We might be fucked We probably played ourselves

But also like Who's supposed to be at the top I don't know But Kyle Cover tier 4 Jalen Brunson I am perfectly okay With Jaylen Brunson Me in Tier 2

I like that Brunson is currently better than Jalen Brown ever has been You can debate Clay Thompson Let's go Norm Powell Four Yeah we can't

If we get screwed in Tier 2 we get screwed. We can't choose that with Norman Powell. I'm sorry. We've been too conservative for too long. We're sticking to it. Steph Curry. Okay. Tier one. Last one at least. Kyrie Irving. Oh, we did it. Hey, we clutched the fuck up. This is a good tier list.

This is, is this perfect? Is there anything you would change? No, this is actually as good as it could get. We killed it. Listen, walk away through. Did I have faith in us? Did I believe in the mission? that I believe in our vision going to come into fruition did not but nevertheless we win they told us they told us we couldn't have a perfect cheer list so we got a perfect they said it can't be done they said all you do is sell they said you're bad at your job understand man what they're going to say now winning isn't for everybody what they're going to say

now what they're going to say what they're going to say well that's our best one we've had yet shout out the hoop goat man no that actually really is good next thing we're going to do you know trade deadline passed as of late we still we're still reeling in some ways from the way it went down and we talked earlier about the john morant news or lack of news but you know the idea of people floating around who the next start to be traded will who who who that will be i'm going to name an NBA player you let me know from one to 10 how likely it is they get traded in the next calendar year okay so we're going through the offseason we're going through the offseason we're going through next trade deadline yeah okay yeah next year first

name, Kevin Durant. We're going like a seven. I feel like it's a nine. I feel like it's very likely. Honestly, if you look over the past five years, you're almost more likely to get a Kevin Durant trade than to not in any given year. Is there any, the only thing that's keeping me away from me is like,

I feel like Matt HBIA would just want to keep Kevin Durant around. You think it was refuse? Yeah, you traded so much to get Kevin Durant that. But they tried to. trade it like three weeks ago? I know, but like, what if... And if he said yes, he would be a warrior today, I think this has to be...

This might be a 10 out of 10. If you request a trade this summer, how does it not happen? They're not going to have a good playoff run to convince him to stay. All right, we'll go 9. I'll go 9. Yeah, I guess you can't really go 10.

So 9, 9's cool with me. Yeah, he didn't actively request to trade. Yet. True. Tray Young. I'm projecting. But the trade request feels like it has to be on its way. So I'm going to go eight because they don't know what they're doing in Atlanta.

I'll go six only because I feel like he doesn't want to trade and I feel like they don't want to trade him. But pretty soon these paths are going to make it clear that that both sides will be better off probably if they did trade each other. But the next calendar year, like they probably won't go to the offseason. But they might go into next year. Next deadline. Yeah. they might go into next year still be the ninth seed

Trey's going to be getting into his actual prime and be looking around and it's like yo Clint Capella is still here like why we haven't made any We haven't made any improvement Plus trade There's no way for them to become a top four team next year

And I'm sure Trey Young knows that But the thing is like Does he care Can he go to the West and do it Because the West is stacked so listen when you got his running mate so that's one one less destination for him yeah he might just like eleanor listen him and anthony edwards will do wonders together in minnesota okay yeah right ready to speak julius randall Atlanta right city you don't want to see him back in

Atlanta right city no no no dude when you're talking about the clip of him and obama oh that was i watched that before i saw it on twitter and out my jaw was on the floor like, bro, what are you talking about? I'm the truth. I was like, I'm the truth. As I was a LeBron turn around horrified. Knowing he left, Anthony Edwards, unmonitored with Obama.

Okay, next name. Devin Booker. Now, this may not seem like someone who's probably getting traded. But if Kevin Durant does request to trade next summer, I feel like it's almost a certainty Devon Booker's to follow, right? Why would you keep one and not the other? Well, Devin Booker, it would have to, Does he like it?

It depends on Devin Booker Because I think Devin Booker gets traded It's because he is requesting a trade I don't think The Sons would initiate those conversations So you think they'd want to build Around like him, Bradley Bill and Wiggins

And do some transition route? Probably Or they probably Would be forced to do it Because I don't know Bradley Bill is his way His is no trade clause I don't know if Book

is the kind of guy Who is going to request a trade yeah and like i don't know if i see it he doesn't have to i guess because he's not like he's like a top five player in the world needs to build his legacy like he can just be a son's lifer and that's okay no one's gonna be like why don't you have the courage to try to win you know like but he's day if he wants to yeah but also he went through like the dark days of phoenix he does he have it in him to do it again we'll see i'll give this one a five out of ten

maybe four but it's definitely not a zero i'll go i'll go four yeah four is John Moran's The fact that there are already conversations about it lets me feel like it is more likely to happen than not But I mean that climate did say they're not doing it Granted he has to say that Pat Riley said that too and then they traded him

Correct I do believe him right now they don't want to But I also believe if they fail in that first round They fail in that second round Easy to change your mind when the most recent thing you could think of is failure I'll say this if we're doing it in the next calendar year, zero. But at the end of next offseason, or at the end of next season,

that'll be the time because you have this year. Because, like, John Moran isn't going to be a guy that gets traded at the deadline unless he requested. And, like, he's not going to do that. Oh, shit. God damn Luca Donters was, so who's the same? That's fair. But you're going to go through this playoff run

and you are going to see how, like, your new court, especially now that Jaron Jackson has taken. the leap, you have two legitimate like star stars. You're going to run that back twice. And then if John Morant still can't hold up his end of the bargain or do whatever they want him to do in that system, a year and a half from now, out of there. Yeah. So, okay, I like that. A year and a half is when he starts to get interesting. So zero for now, but keep your eye open for next summer. Yeah. La Mello Ball. Oh, he's gone. He's gone. He's gone. You're planning your flag that you think it's going to happen in the next calendar year i'll go nine i i'm i can't i can't

i can't i can't go ten with anybody but i will go nine i think that that's crazy the same as kevin derray tell me more i think that the hornets won are all always there has never been a time in my life where the hornets have been a great franchise and true lamello ball is the only thing that they have going for them but they also have no direction they have no idea what it is that they want to do you just got a new coach let's see what you got if they mess around and get like a cooper flag or one of these top three prospects hit the reset button again lamello get out of here and we're going to start first yeah it seemed like this front office once they get rid of the past guard everybody they brought in lamello ball you were part of that if the team is five years away

then you don't have five years to waste you're ready to win you don't want to sit around and wait forever so it makes sense to me get ready to speak sacramento oh that's where you want to see him go fuck no i just i just i just said a i just said a city oh where should he go get ready to speak toronto you and scotty barnes are going to run the league can't even see what's your face because it's not bad to speak pootin brother you oh i can't zion william william wilmson Ooh, where, where would Zion go? I think, okay, I'll go eight.

Eight. This is weird because I, I feel like this. Actually, no. I'm going to go five. I'm going to go zero if they get the number two picker below. I'll go 10 if they get Cooper Flag. Okay. If you can replace him one for one with Cooper Flag and move into a new,

into a new chapter with Cooper Flag, Trey Murphy, C.J. McCollum, DeJante, and whatever you can get for Zion, that's a good way to kind of reset the era. Actually, okay, I will go zero for now because I forgot that Dejante had got, something ruptured his Achilles. Like, that's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. That's an awful injury. So you really have like nothing. I think that the fact that you got, like, C.J. McCollum is aging. And so he's, he's just there, you know, being a good vet, doing what he does. But this is really like about Tray Murphy and Zion. And now that you have Kelly Olinic, you have

Stretch 5, you can kind of open it up a little bit, see what you can get with Zion. They'll give them another chance. If you draft a Dylan Harper or whatever, some of that fits with Zion, great. Harper, C.J. I mean, Harper, Herb, Trey, Zion, I can work with that.

But if you have the opportunity to start all three of Herb Jones, Tray Murphy, and Cooper Flag, that's an experience I'd like to take, and I'd be willing to move Zion Williamson for it. Lockdown defense. crazy it'd be ridiculous that would be that would be beautiful and like i don't know where zion would go but like some team would want him and you get a good amount of stuff for him now even if it's not what it seemed like a few years ago with the you know lack of consistent health but i think he

you still get a hall where where would you send him a lot of places i mean something like the bulls but i can go there and just like be a team take anybody yeah yeah yeah well actually i don't want to forsake him to the bulls i want him to go to a good organization that can support him i know spurs fans don't want to hear this i would love to see him and win me together obviously but popping out their speed. No, no, no, no. Would you want to see him with Anthony Edwards? They need somebody.

You know, they don't have the star power anymore. Actually, the whole point of getting rid of Kat was for flexibility and pay the role players, so they don't want to do that. Yeah. Listen, that's why I was thinking. I think if you're going to take a swing at anybody, you would pair these two guys. You would pair Trey and Zion and have one of the best lot throwers in the league

and one of the best lobbed targets and you would just rock out like that. That would be cool. I think I'd like that. If Atlanta traded for Zion, does Jalen Johnson absolutely have to be in the deal? No. Well, it depends how.

If Zion gets hurt again, no, you know, Deand Johnson is going to be in the deal. If Zion has a stellar year and finishes the year, you're going on berserk, maybe. Okay. What if...

What if... Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. What if the John Morant stuff comes up for? fruition, and they trade the one and number two pick for each other. It's a jaw for Zion swap. And we get Jaw Morant, Herb Jones, Trey Murphy, Cooper Flag,

and then you get Zion Williamson next to Jaron Jackson in Memphis. Could that work? I don't see why not. All right, let's try it. Let's try it. We'll run that through 2K. We'll see what's going on with you. That'd be kind of cool.

Wow. I like that for Jah a lot. Jod next to those two wings and potentially Cooper Flag. that would be really cool now granted we're doing a lot of assumption that they get fucking

so much assumption that's the point of this we're just talking nonsense just yapping yeah that's what we do all right Janice now I know you probably think

what the hell are you talking about Janus isn't getting traded they traded Chris Milton for Kyle Kuzma they traded Luca again yeah that too if they flame out again

and you have already shipped out his long time running mate for Kyle fucking Kuzma I don't know you're really testing his loyalty you are and I think that don't get fooled don't get fooled by yon is saying all this you know small markets small town stuff he has put pressure on this team time after time after time and he would do it again if they go out like you said if they go out in the first round I think it's a six I'll go seven if they lose in the first round I'll go seven if they if they if they

get to like the eastern conference finals i'll go probably a two yeah i think right now it's like a two but i think yeah one trigger event we can quickly see this jump up and people will pretend it's surprising and it will not be if they lose to who's the who's the five seed right now in the east who's the five seed who's the five seed right now their matchup would be indian they lost to the pacer's oh yeah oh yeah again oh yeah capriana straight up the money he works listen hit my line hit my line we could talk we can we get we can have conversations last name de montes a bonus zero in which the kings blowed up zero he he's a king for life he's a i think i would like that for him just go there and be their all-star and just be consistent

have a home in sacramento we don't care if they had to rebuild you'd be part of it you don't have championship robust expectations just go be a guy for the king that'd be dope yeah this like it's also super super super hard to bring in sub bonus and maximize him because he has to have the ball in his hands a lot so if you're bringing him in your whole team changes it's very hard to like plug in play demottis so i would say listen stay stay in in sacramento right it's looking kind of up right now maybe you guys get a good draft pick maybe you guys make one good trade you guys can get back to the five seeds start lighting the beam again it's going to be good yeah you're right i was thinking maybe i had some trade destinations in mind but no fuck that sacramento king for life

exactly i like that next thing we're going to do let's play a little game i'm going to name an NBA player and we're going to take turns listing a player that they played with a former teammate until one of us messes up so we're going to link players together so for instance if i say copy bryant you say shack I say Dwayne Wade, et cetera, the one of us freezes up. Okay. So, I'll go first. We'll keep it simple. LeBron James. I'm already freezing up.

Me too. Kyrie. Jason Tatum. Jayne Brown. Marcus Marte. John Moran. Santhiel Dama. Jayne Jackson Jr. Zach Eadie.

Desmond Bain. G.G. Jackson. Does he go up and you on the roster? I know. Vince Williams. What did you say? Vince Williams. Stephen Adams.

Men Thompson. Sangoon. Jalen Green. Jalen Green? Yeah, we're just going on. Aaron Holiday. Jeff Green. Can I say LeBron again?

Can I go twice? No. Or is not allowed? I don't think so. Kevin Durant. Devin Booker. Chris Ball. James Harding.

Kendrick Perkins. Serge Baca. Abdel Nader. Oh, wow. That's a boy. You got me. You got me. But I'm assuming he was on that Thunder team.

Let me make sure I'm allowed to say that. Because you said Sergio Baca. Let me make sure they play it together. was he was he on the what were year was he oh wait 2019 i think i might have cheated i think sergey balka was gone by then wasn't he oh i won't 2019 oh i lost he was already in toronto by then i cheated i won i won't buy technicality

god damn it's my favorite way to win by technicality damn it man i thought i pulled one out of my ass thought was gonna be perfect No sir No sir The last thing we're going to do I'm going to name an NBA award You let me know who would win it

If the season ended today Okay First off Most entertaining player of the year Ooh I'm going I'm going Shane That's a good pick

He's definitely I see I see I'm taking the back I'm taking that back I'm actually going Yokic why is yokech more entertaining because yokch has done all of the normal yokech stuff

all the normal you know crazy passes all that stuff but then also been like hey go out and get a sport he's like okay like i will so the fact that yokits is casually just as good at everything else as he was last year and now he shoots 45% from three like it's ridiculous like there's no holes

yeah i think i'll go yokage one shade two and we will go Wembe 3. That's a good list. Okay. Least entertaining player at the year. Kyle Kuzma. Kyle Kuzma.

Okay. I was going to say Yuse of Nurkich. I think Yusuf Nerkich this year has stood for everything I hate in the NBA. I think everything I want to see from a model player in the league, he stands opposed to. Can I give, can I give a like a co- MVP type of situation? To who? Cusma? No, to the Chicago Bulls as a collective.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay, we'll get to some stuff that may be there a lot to be in. But honestly, Kyle Cousman, you should never get your good options there for least entertaining players in the league. Who else deserves a shout there?

Nah, let's... Tice Jones? The whole son's roster. Yeah, we're going to be mean. I will leave it there then. That's limited to meanness. best new star of the year kind of like best new artist

of the Grammys Best new star Who is really Kate gunning him He does that Okay yeah If we're going like Like first time all stars

As well Okay Yeah someone who made the leap this year And has really been the most The best storyline Is somebody who made the leap this year Okay We got yeah

Kate makes sense You kind of have to go with Kate Especially because you've been waiting for it For so long he's living up to what we wanted to see since he's already here bro I was on project before we were listening to top five point guards

in the league and I was like I was like oh my god is Kate the fifth best point guard in the league now like that's the conversations he's in like it's like him versus Trey Young versus John Moran like he's playing at that level

and last year we might have said he's like 17th or something shout out to Kate Cunningham shout out Cade man right of applause for Cate Cunningham you know we got to get on drink chips like i don't i don't know i don't i don't i'm like 10,000 percent sure that noriega had no idea who we are but please bring us on i haven't heard anybody say his full name like that in fucking a decade

please yeah yeah cana cade's best new star i like that most improved reputation so somebody who's PR really recovered this year Easily, hands down, Carl Anthony Towns. It has to be. Last year, dude, Timberwolves cat, reputation was in the gutter. They were like, you are Canadian. Oh, is he Canadian? No, he's not.

Where's you from again? I'm also Canadian. Why did I think that? He's Dominican. They said, you are Frank Kaminsky with a jumper. And now it's like, is he a top three offensive big of all time? Yeah, he has gotten that push. No, so the Knicks had two all-star starters.

That's crazy. Right. Understand that. Like, Carnity Towns has been the guy that, like, yes, he was playing better, but Andy Edwards was yelling at him in the playoffs. He'd be like, bro, stop fouling. And now he's just the lovable guy in New York. So I'm going cat for sure. Shout out, Cat, man.

If you want to make your PR better, find a way to play in New York. You will be loved. We will look at your strengths and admire them and look at your weaknesses and say, I simply do not see. that is true that is true so it's it's like it's uh it's quintessential new york no more it's quintessential new york we're going to highlight the parts we like and ignore the parts we don't you got it you got it okay best roster move of the year um like best acquisition okay so we can go well it's very easy.

Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? I'm ignoring the greatest trade of all time here as obviously they get the cap for just the best way

the revolution has a franchise of all time. Outside of Luca, who would it be? They got it. Maybe something that happened like last summer that's really impacted this year.

I think I think Hartonson to the Thunder is really good. Loki. Kenny Atkinson if that counts as a roster

if we're counting coaches. Yeah. They've made the cows go from oh fuck they got to blow it up to oh so this team could beat the celtics potentially like that's a big change uh low key russell westbrook to the nuggets that's up there in terms of like in terms of cost like yeah cost and value to that specific team i think i think russ could be there he's kind of been for them what people wanted chris paul to be for the spurs not to say chris paul hasn't been good for them but like the low low cost point guard is

and come in and provide better and savvy and helping to different ways. Yeah. That's kind of what rusted in that stretch of the season where they really needed some energy. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, like Kenny Atkinson, Hartnstein, and, um, but what, what we just said, which I cannot remember.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Um, most intimidating player of the year. Someone who walks into your team's doors and you just get scared. Oh. This is a, this is a, this is a. Who do you get, like, scared of?

I mean, I'm a Lakers fan, so Nicole Yokic is obviously number one on this list as far as playoffs go, and he's been amazing this year, too. Yolkis has gotten so good. Yeah, Yolkits has gotten so good to the point where it's not even intimidating because you just know, even if you do a good job, you're going to look up and he's going to have 25, 11, and 12.

So, like, it doesn't even matter. You're not, like, scared I'm going to get my ass whoop. Like, the beat down is a certainty. So in a certain point, it removes the pressure. Yeah. Well, I mean, Shea has been a fucking force of nature this year. So I think Shay is also obviously intimidating. Most intimidating.

All right, we can go Shay. I guess for intimidating, we should look past just how good they've been, right? Like, what makes intimidation factor? Do you think, do you think, oh, well. There hasn't been a lot of, like, intimidating storylines this year. If you look at the terror twins, you look at a men Thompson and Tara Easton, like, I can, I can see a situation with somebody steps onto the court and sees them to and it's like, oh, my God. Oh, you know what?

Never mind. Instead of giving it to Shea, let's give it to the Thunder defense as a whole. Every player we've talked to as of late has talked about those motherfuckers defense is different. They have like nine good defenders. That has been by far the most intimidating unit in the league. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Bro, they got Caruso and didn't give up a pick. he's like their fifth best defender this year because he hasn't been available they have four other guys more important defensively

dude Lou Dort Jdub Kaysen Wallace Caruso Shay what and then you

have a DPOI level defender behind them what and then you have Hardenstein who's also good what

it's crazy it's not fair it's not fair at all okay the least interesting team in the league

Okay, so we have some uninteresting-ass teams. There's some uninteresting teams, but choose carefully. Okay, if you give me this category and we're at the award show, it would be like, and the nominees for, it would be Chicago Bulls. Incorrect. Utah Jazz. Correct. That is the answer. It is the Utah Jazz very easily.

Yes. No defining young players on the team. No old players that might get traded to be interesting. no storylines, no interest in Young Corps, nothing of note. At least for the Bulls, we can say, hey, they got trade to Jack Levine, and they did. There is no reason to think about the Utah Jazz

unless you're an NBA sicko like us. Who else? Who would round out that... That top three? Yeah. Man, who deserves... I mean, I find the Sun's pretty uninteresting. The Brooklyn Nets.

Their half-ass tank job. That is so uninteresting. There we go. They got their picks, I'm fully committed to doing no path at all, just being right in the middle. Bulls, jazz. Bulls jazz nets.

Okay. Yeah, but I think the jazz are by far the answer there. Like, they stand out from the other dude to me. That's fair. The jazz have, and the lag of marketing isn't even going crazy. Like, they have nothing of note. Okay, last but not least,

the not good, but very fun to watch award. So a player who's not amazing, but their funnest level was through the roof. Cam Thomas is up there. Okay. Oh, for a specific player. Yeah. Cam Thomas is up there.

But Cam Thomas is good. He's just not amazing. So maybe he doesn't deserve. He's too good for this. But then again, we're not going to say players who are ass. So let's rephrase it. The kind of good, but amazingly fun to watch. Yes.

Okay. I always forget. I need to go through the roster, see some guys here. yeah i got the teams pulled up yeah this is this is interesting it's hard for me to i had to like really think because i don't it's a it's a very it's a very weird line yeah it's a very weird line and like one of one of the guys that i would have said has gone actually like into that level like norm powell has has has gone has has gone into that like oh no like he's legitimately good jordan pool i do think he's good actually but his team is so garbage i know

People think about him. On Jordan Poole. Yeah, people treat him like his ass and he had a bad year last year. But he's been really good this year. Somebody, you know, somebody on the, depending on the night,

somebody on the Blazers. You have, I love Donovan Klingin. Yeah. You have a lot of guys who are on any night and especially recently as the Blazers have gone up,

you'd be like, oh, he's really playing well tonight. Oh, he's really good. He's really good. So shout to Portland. They looked, they looked hopeless. Yeah, what a bounce back mid-season. Good job.

But all right, that's all the awards I got today. And that's all the topics we got today. I hope you guys enjoyed the interviews we saw in the beginning of the show. Hope you guys enjoyed the news breakdown. Hope you guys enjoyed TikTok time. Very special episode today. It's real good to get more interviews out for you guys. Hopefully more to come.

Yeah, man. Stay tuned for another special episode next week. Thank y'all for taking on this ride with me. You know what? Can't go two more for y'all.