The Deep 3 Podcast - We Interviewed The Top 2024 NBA Draft Prospects | Ep. 90

Episode Date: May 24, 2024

Today we talk to the 2024 NBA Draft's best prospects, including Bronny James, Zach Edey, Alex Sarr, and more! Shoutout to Coinbase! Use promo code "20DEEP3" and sign up for a new Coinbase account to get $20 of free Bitcoin after you make your first trade! Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 2:02- Jared McCain 14:10- Cody Williams 23:46- Matas Buzelis 32:26- Rob Dillingham 41:30- Ron Holland 49:06- Ja'Kobe Walter 57:00- Reed Sheppard 1:07:13- Alex Sarr 1:15:04- Zach Edey 1:19:53- Isaiah Collier 1:25:20- Bronny James 1:31:00- Tiktok Time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oh, Kobe's the greatest basketball player of all time. I'm just cute. You know, so I feel like... Hey, man. Pause. It doesn't look terrible. No, it looks terrible. Carmelo Anthony is the greatest scorer ever.

My guy. My guy. Let me phrase that. What's the other good parts of Ohio? The Cavs games. Dope. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God.

I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice. Y'all, we got a very special episode today. For sure, for sure. Tell them why. As you see by the title, today we are interviewing basically almost every lottery pick from the 2024 NBA draft class, or what we can assume will be most of lottery picks, because we were recently in Chicago at the NBA Combine.

I got a chance to talk to, I think, like 12 people, quite an episode coming up. Yeah. We talked to the Bronny James of the world, future. Atlanta Hawk, Alex Sar, I told him see you in Atlanta right after the camera shut off because I have an ounce of professionalism in my blood. So it was cool as hell, man. It was our first time interviewing. Yeah, like you said, first time interviewing any players, really. So it was cool to be able to talk to a bunch of young players that, you know, haven't came into the league yet or close to our age range. It's a real interesting way to dip our toe into the interview game.

For sure, man. No, it was a good time. I'm glad I'm glad that we went. We'll definitely be back next year, right, with all the other top prospects. So I'm excited, I'm excited for everybody to see it, too. It's hilarious because a lot of people are going to be clicking us for the first time. They're going to be like, wow, these kids had an opportunity to interview Alex R. Reed Shepard, some guys who, you know, are very special talent. We told them, what do you think you look like bald? Right, these bald hands. No more spoilers, no more spoilers. If you're watching, drop a like and subscribe. You're from audio platforms. Leave us five stars. review. Let's just go straight into the interviews. We'll see y'all in an hour and a half for

TikTok time. We're here with a one and only Jared McCain. How you doing, man? I'm doing great, man. Can't complain. How's the whole weekend of calm by stuff going? Pretty good. I can't, I mean, kind of expected everything, kind of long interview process, long, long stuff going on, but it's all good. So they got you dressed for success. I thought you were going to come in some basketball gear. They got you Sunday's finest. We got to be right. We got to be dressed right. I see the shirt's custom. I see the initials. I see the initials on my mom. I see you. It's just You know, Drake says, subtle reminders are key. You know, I just go whatever Drake says.

Awesome, man. So, this is going to be, I know you got a lot of media stuff to do all weekend. Pause. Pause. Right now, it's not the time to pause. Pause. I didn't even catch that. I mean, I'm not used like that.

What are we saying? But out, man, I know you're going to do a live meet yourself all day. You got a lot of obligations. This is a pretty serious basketball podcast. We talk straight X's and O, so it's going to be looking at you deep in your bag. Okay. And we're going to start you off right away with probably the most serious thing you're to see all day. If you hit the slide show,

I want you to rate these NBA hair swaps in one to ten. Let's lock in for real, man. Okay, okay. So we got Rob Dillingham, rating from one to ten. How good you look? You know, I don't know if I like this. I think I'm going to go about it too. I don't know if I like the...

What's wrong with it? I don't like the color, the hair. You know, Rob's a very just, you know, chill vibe, and I don't know if that gives off the chill vibe. It looks like he should be at a beat somewhere. Yeah. It does look very chill, though. Also, I don't know if rating somebody 10 out of 10,

that's a crazy pause. I don't even know. if I could rate anybody in 10th. You can go 9. You can go 9. You're not fucking with the Draco Malfoyler? No, not really. I'm not really rocking with him. Really?

He looked like he'll serve me really fine wine at some water. Oh, whoa. Time out. All right, okay. Robbillion, two at a 10. I see it. What we got next? That's fair.

We got Reed Shepherd. Ooh. How you feeling? This one is crazy. You know, I don't know if I'm rocking with this one either. I think, yeah, I think this is, this might be worse. Worse? He's not allowed to do this?

Yeah, no, definitely not. He turned from this is, uh, yeah, I don't know about that. I'm go one. Yeah, he turned from Reed to like Rashid, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, you never seen nobody who looked like this before? A white dude with dress? You're in North Carolina?

No, I didn't really see this. You never really go out much? You never been the white dude before? Nah, not really sight. Yeah. They shouldn't be allowed this. Right, zero out of 10? Yeah, we'll go one.

is zero for sure you gotta give one just to be nice yeah i like i like read it's awesome good guy i feel that next up last one we got jaron mccain with a bald head you know i can rate myself a 10 out of 10 i think i could rock this you know giving derrick white vibes oh that's so facts you know i'm rocking with it i think i think this is florist state so it's a great game i think yeah i think this is good listen you loki look like darvin ham right here i see this i see darvinham i don't see Derek White. That's fair. That's fair. I need my hands in my pocket, though. I don't want to... I love it. All right, that's the end of that part we got for you. We can get a little more serious, man. Yeah. What's something that you think most people don't

realize about your game, like when they scout you in college and kind of think of the archetype they have in mind for you? What do you think people go wrong with that? I think kind of at Duke, you know, my role is more just kind of be a shooter, space the floor. But I feel like I can be on ball a lot. We had elite ball handlers at Duke, so I understand it. But I feel like it's something I can show at the next level, something I've been working on throughout this whole pre-draft process. Love it. It's amazing.

Yeah. Look, we know, right, obviously, like, you're very big on TikTok. I think everybody kind of, like, knows that about you. Aside from TikTok, off the basketball court, what else do you like to do? Like, what else makes you, you? Yeah. I mean, I love, I love yoga. I go to studio probably like two, three times a week.

Meditation. You do hot yoga? Yeah, yeah, I did high yoga. Oh, wow. I had a studio. It was actually, it was actually in Chapel Hill at, at UNC. So it's kind of rough. I went there a day after we lost bad vibes, but it was all good. But yeah, I had a studio out there. Love meditation. Most of the time, just chilling. I like to shop,

maybe some retail therapy. But just chilling with my friends. And shout out my best friends. John Caleb and TJ. Shout out. So you go to Duke, things can get kind of crazy sometimes. I'm sure you've experienced some weird things. What is the craziest, weirdest fan experience you've come across? Oh, goodness. Man. I mean, I guess, okay, I was, which one can I say?

Yeah, exactly. I was sleeping. It was like probably about, it was probably about one, one or two a.m. I get a knock on my dorm door. And, you know, it was somebody asking for a picture. Oh, that's crazy. You know, they were foreign, so I gave them the excuse they didn't really know what was going on. But it was all good.

I took the picture. I was in my underwear. I said hold on let me put some pants on that's crazy I mean I would just woke up I just woke up gone got in there it was just yeah but yeah that was probably the one of the craziest ones that I could say so you're taking shirtless pictures at 2 a. no I put a shirt on I put a shirt on a shirt and pants yeah I put a shirt and pants I do I don't know if I had socks on I can't remember the grip is out I get I get pedicures so don't put it on you know I feel like especially as you know I coming in the rookie

You have to kind of, you know, you grew up the whole time being a star player at every level, but I feel like you probably had to assume you're playing a supporting role early in your career. What kind of stars or what teams type of archetype of player do you see yourself fitting well with? Yeah, I like how you're asking that question because it's leading to something. I would say, I mean, I watch a lot of Jalen Brunson, one of my favorite players right now, Steph Curry, obviously. I think any of the vets, I think they're pretty cool to play with. Wherever I go, I'll probably find a good vet, so I'm excited.

So you like the idea of playing next second another ball-dominate point guard? be like an off guard type thing yeah yeah I feel like I can I can be a good supporting cast for anybody I think I'm good at finding my role in any team and just kind of perfecting that love that so far throughout your playing career who would you say has been the hardest player to guard whether it be like just in a regular practice or just like random pickup in L.A. I mean in high school Rob was up there yeah I'm trying to think in college who fried us I mean I didn't really guard him that much but shout out D.J. Burns he fried us

yeah for sure yeah for sure 100% I mean I'll probably go to DJ Burns I think Jamal Shay would have had a great game against us he was able to play shout at him but um yeah I feel like we kept people under control I feel like yeah yeah next thing you want to do another visual thing for you if you look at this TV you know I feel like NBA fits is a big part of league culture okay see judging by where you dress I feel like you're gonna be a big NBA league fit guy especially on draft night that's the plan especially on draft night yeah you know draft fits going down in history for good or bad reasons so I want you to rate the this famous NBA draft fits one to ten I bet first off we got Grady Dick from last year

this this this is fire this is fire like this um yeah this is he said this he planned it too we were talking about this earlier talking about draft fits I go probably about about this eight eight at 10 8.5 do you see yourself going this outlandish with it you're gonna keep a little key do you have a plan for draft night I really don't I have no clue what I'm about to do we'll see we'll see what happens maybe I'll find something but yeah I'll go 8.5 at a 10 I don't know if I'll go this outlandish though I like the solid score. I like the confidence.

All right. Next one. Palo Bancaro. Another interesting one. What was on his suit? Like, what is that? I don't even remember exactly what it is. Whatever it is, just know he put that shit on, in my opinion.

Yeah. I do. Like, I mean, being the number one pick, I feel like you kind of can wear anything and it works. But I do like Grady's more. I'm going to go, I'm going to go eight. I feel you got to be bold in your number one pick like that. You got to do something interesting. And they feel like, shout out of him.

That's true. Got the ice on too. exactly what about Tim Duncan fire this is fire this is timeless tough I mean timeless piece this is this is one of the biggest suits we've ever seen listen it could be fire it can't be timeless it's quite the opposite of timeless you're not wearing this today Jared if you would wear this on your draft night I would support you I think I get a lot of support I'm like this I mean you write I don't know if it's too timeless yeah yeah you could bring it out I think I think it's a nine I think it's a nine

oh okay it's nice respect for the classics Yeah, yeah. This definitely aged better than a lot of other people from that generation because we saw some crazy shit from that time. Absolutely.

This is, I think it's going to age better than Grady's. I think so. I don't, listen, Grady's, he looked like a,

like a candy wrapper. It was a lot going on. You know the little strawberry ones? That's what, that's what, oh my god, the strawberries? Yes.

It's crazy. Just don't show, don't show Tray Young's. I didn't give him to you. Somebody else in reacting to Tre Young though. It's not you.

You didn't fuck with the shorts? I didn't rock with it. I'm sure you're trying on has to put some stuff on in his day not that day not that day y'all are hating that one's clean that one's clean you've been saying the shorts yes fantastic wait he had no socks on here too right no socks I mean he's wearing loafers it's fine you're wild it's okay you're okay what do you want him to do you want to hijack this topic for another day before we get you out of here we'll talk after what job do you see yourself doing if you weren't a hooper what path

do you think it would have went down in life? Is this considering I'm still, my TikTok is as big as it is? Sure. You would have found fame in TikTok regardless. I probably would have been on TikTok vlogging, doing some social media-wise. You Drew Wells? I don't know about that. I don't know if I could, I don't know if I have the self-awareness, the non-self-awareness

to put the camera out, go drive, park the car. Yeah, I don't know if I could do that. But probably something on YouTube. Yeah, some on TV. What do you think are the best and worst trends on TikTok right now? I feel like you probably have a deep bag on what's going on. Deep bag. Um, let me think.

That's, it's a big one. There's always concentrate, you know, in and out. I know. It doesn't got to be TikTok either. It doesn't have to be right now. You can do it at all of all time if you want. I'm gonna go, I like the, I like the You Are My Sunshine memes. Oh, that's great.

Oh, yeah. It's good vibes. Um, there's one TikTok. sound um i think it's like it's like let's dance and it's like come on let's that one's good that a dulypa song i think so no it might it might be like from the barbie movie yeah um and the worst shoot i can check real quick do you can do what you want let me see what's going on my for you page a whole lot of trash for sure you did you the 10 swine on the okay could you Cane first interview today show your screen on it right now let's

yeah that'd be crazy there's a lot of bad trends at all times we're past the dancing area for the most part I feel like I put not interested oh oh the worst trend probably right now is the the throat tattoos oh those are terrible oh my god those are wild oh my god it would be like never Yeah. Limitless. It's craziest. Unlimited throat.

Yeah. Goat throat. Yeah. And losing. Oh, my God. Throat tattoos are probably... Oh, that is crazy. Yeah, I think that's the worst for sure.

How much money would have branded to pay you to get a throat tattoo? No, I could. My whole brand would be gone from there. Is that a Gator? This one has life. This one has life. The comments are life-changing throat. The throat of life

That's crazy I can't do it What a good way to end this interview Shout out life-changing throat Thanks for your time, Jeremy Kane I want to take a second to shout out Our newest sponsor, Coinbase, for joining the pod Right now they're offering $20 a free Bitcoin

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How are you doing today? Doing good. How are you doing? Doing great. What's it been like being around all this NBA environment for the first time meeting all these people? Honestly, it's exciting.

I get to see a whole bunch of, you know, NBA vets and legends. I was able to sit with Derek Fisher while watching the scrimmages. That was exciting, especially growing up a Laker fan. Oh, your Lakers fan? Yeah.

Well, I was growing up all my family is now. You got to cut that out of your life forever? Lakers says a soft spot. in my heart for sure but um yeah just meeting guys like that we got to talk with andre ecuadala tory craig um so i think what that was rudy gay i we got to see all those guys and they just kind of shed their knowledge on us so this process has been amazing so far you a big-time nba fan grown up you said yeah sure what's one NBA hill you're one to die on like one take you've had your whole life that you'll stand with one take oh cobi's the greatest

boss of all time ooh from a lake's fan makes sense i feel like you know that's coming so yeah make total sense yeah I'm down on that hill every day of a week so what's your argument when someone says Bronner MJ yeah no no just that's it's not fuck out of you they can't pull up every statistic I'm gonna be like no it's a foolproof argument someone's like PR yeah no I'm good that's that's funny this I got a note between you and your brother who has the best brades in the family braids yeah me look at that hang time that's crazy Yeah, you were like crazy hang time. His has come a long way, though.

His is getting longer, but, yeah, my braids is definitely better. You had them first, right? It's actually crazy. I threw out the idea that I was going to get him first. I was like, I think I'm going to get cornrows, and then his next hairstyle, he got cornrows. He was talking to you a little bit? I don't know, man.

Maybe I just inspired him. Maybe he wants to be like me. You never know. Yeah, that is hilarious. Speaking of your brother, you guys are one-on-one all the time when you were younger, of course. How many times have you been in one-on-one throughout your life? I can probably count on one finger, to be honest.

So I'm going to leave it at that one. I think I got him once when we were like really young. But we need to have a rematch, honestly. Like, you know, now that we're older. Street-steady. I'm about to get into the draft. Yeah, it's tough when you're like 14, he's 16. Like that two years is different.

Yeah. Yeah, it's the same. What's one thing about you and your personal interests that people don't know? I say I'm really into like the medical side. I got like anatomy, the human body, how that stuff works. I think I got it from my mom, just because she was a nurse. I was grow up watching her. She's, like, studying her nurse textbook.

I'm watching them. She, you know, was watching surgeries online. I feel like, you know, she has to study them to be a nurse, and I'm watching. That's interesting. The surgery's with her. So I actually got to take stitches out of my dog one time. Oh, wow.

I think we had a Shih Tzu, something else. One of them little tiny rat dog. A little yapper. Yeah, they have a little stains right here. Oh, they're kind of ugly. Yeah, they kind of ugly. Yeah. So I remember.

I think we got her, she had like stomach surgery something. She had like an ulcer and then I ended up taking out her stitches. So I feel like that's a little hobby mind. You're in the field. You're experience. Yeah, yeah. After the league, you never know, man. I never know.

I feel like we saw, we've heard somebody else said today that they would do stuff in the medical field. And that's, I feel like it's not a coincidence. You feel like that's a thing with athletes that you're so into the body that it kind of translates? Yeah, just because I feel like especially like at the next level, all the analytics and all the body comps. Like yesterday I got like three x-rays, MRI, x-ray in my hips. I looked at basically x-ray and MRI in my entire body. so just like I feel like it's interesting as an athlete because you know how important every part of the body is and how in depth they are at the next level in terms of like finding injuries injury prevention seeing how to get you better so I feel like that's I feel like there is a correlation just because it's so important how your body works and how it moves and at the next level they take such good care in that yeah yeah on the court what's something about your game that you don't think people know about you I'd say I'm a really good decision maker I make good reads just in terms of of because the average basketball player like let's say you know you make a skip pass or hook pass

a little pocket pass they might assume that's just like you know general pass like oh he's supposed to do that he's a good player but i feel like average NBA player doesn't really or not NBA player average NBA watcher or basketball watch oh yeah doesn't really understand you know the reads and the IQ it takes to make some of the reads yeah it's like passing a defense are two things most NBA fans don't quite understand especially defense well they yeah they don't really they really underestimate how hard is like i'm watching jalen guard Kevin Durant Like, yeah, that's not easy at all, so I definitely feel like that defensive side gets swept under the road. When it comes to on the court, what's one of the hardest aspects to, what's the hardest part of the game to read at times?

To read? Yeah. I guess sometimes it's the flow, I want to say. Just because, you know, there's times where you need to control the game. There's other times you need to, you know, attack and push. So I feel like, no, I don't have a problem with it, but I know just definitely it's some team. where people struggle, some players struggle with knowing when is a good shot, when's a good time to take it, and it's a good time to kind of set it up and get a good shot. And sometimes you really do need to push the tempo.

Like you're playing a slower team. Sometimes you need to just get out there and run, you know, just get the rebound and push it, just get the pace going, get them out of routine. But I definitely feel like sometimes it's hard to gauge, like, when a lot of people struggle with, you know, when's a good shot, when's the time to push it or slow it down. You say that now, waiting to you get to the NBA and you see Eric Spolstra throwing the craziest zone defenses that you've ever scene. You know, yeah, they got some crazy schemes in the NBA, so yeah, you can have fun with that. Wait until you're in the corner reading a box in one and your star point guards up there dribbling trying to figure it out. Yeah, I'm like, what are they doing? That's a great man. I want to point your attention to the screen real quick. Do you consider yourself someone that's into

clothing and into fashion a little bit? I'm getting into it. Yeah. You know, I didn't really, I don't really have the funds yet. Yeah. Yeah. Where some of the stuff people are wearing. It's coming. It's coming. You know, in a few years, I'm going to progress. So, so, you know, My brother didn't have, well, he had style, but he wasn't wearing the stuff he was wearing that he is now. That makes sense. You get the money and he's like, I got to buy everything. I got dressed it for success every day. For him, though, he has thrifted a lot.

Like I remember throughout high school and junior, he is a big thrifter. So I will say like that part is good, but now he's able to buy a little designer, you know, kind of up his, you know, up the flare in his clothing, I would say. He's definitely always been a thrifter, always been finding elaborate outfits. We're on the topic of fashion. I'm going to show you some NBA draft night outfits. I want you rate them from 1 to 10. I don't know I'm going to see Grady Dix on there. I don't know if I gave you him or not.

Doesn't people have seen great days today? We've just said it several times. Let's see what you got. I don't remember. First off, Jalen Green. One out of 10. Is that what you said? Rate it 1 out of 10?

Yeah, we're 1 to 10. Okay. I give it an 8 just because I feel like it has a nice little pop. Like a little silver gives it a nice little pop. They're still clean. It's still kind of simple. So I like that. I'm saying not like I'm a fashion kind of school.

I want you to talk about that. But yeah, I give that eight, maybe 8.5. Okay. That's specific. I like it. Listen, it's being flashy, but not doing too much. Yeah. I don't like it.

It looks like full paper to me. Oh, you're having a lot. Oh, this is good. He put it on, but if you put that on you in my own. Yeah, listen, you replace my face with Jalen's face. We're playing a different game here. Oh, no, yeah. I'm calling the cops.

It's also job of the stylist. I mean, like, they, you know, tell us stuff. True. That is very true. Yeah. Yeah. Next up. We got Kai Jones.

See, if it wasn't, like, luminescent, what is that, reflective? Yeah, it would be really tough. Because I actually do like pink. I play that's like, what, salmon pink? Something like that. A little Pepto-Bismol action? Yeah, I just don't like the, I don't like the glare. It's kind of reflective.

I'll give it a six. It looks like satin. It looks like my pillow case or something. It's cool. It sure does. It's too shiny. Yeah, it's too shiny. Yeah.

There's a times where you swing and you hit, sometimes you miss. Hey, but you got a swing, though. So I give it props to him. instead of doing like all black suit you know he popped out so are you going to swing on draft night you'll see he'll see he's gonna swing that's what that means he said he likes pink listen to that yeah yeah right next one last one lebron james and o three i feel like especially for the time period i gotta give i'll give that a nine just because all white classic not much to really say and not much really hate about you can't really say anything bad about the suit so but if you were judging

in today's time today's time today's i give it a i give it a seven oh it's still kind of high okay just because it is like you can't really go wrong with white but I feel like also on draft night you got to pop out with something more a little more flare so you can't really go wrong with the all white suit so I'm gonna give it seven okay what's one artist you listen to before games future you're heavy on future especially when he dropped we still don't trust you yeah like I remember when he dropped it because I was flying a lot I listened to that album for like three straight playing right just back and forth to listen to the intro bro he's on that weekend shit same oh my goodness so

I float. If I was on a plane, listen to that? Don't even make me land. Just keep going. I don't even need the plane, really. I could just float to my destination. Are you listening to like that on repeat? Oh, for sure.

Yeah. That's a good song. What's the best feature song? I'm a huge feature song, too, so I'm pretty opinionated on this. Out of my hands right now, I'm not going to lie. On that new album, that one's insane. Yeah. I'd say besides that one, solo.

That's probably my favorite. It's a great song. Hendrix is top three feature album. Top three feature album. That's a. You can't really go wrong with that song, especially, like, late-night car ride. Like, you're just putting that on. The right answer was throwaway, but I was expecting it.

I thought there's multiple right answers. You can't go wrong with the future. Yeah, I was looking for one, but I respect you. I respect you. I got you. But that's all the time I got you today, man. We appreciate you coming through, giving us a quick feature. History and lesson.

I appreciate you. Appreciate you guys. Right, man. Appreciate you having us. We're having you here with us. We are the most serious basketball podcast in the world. And to show you that, to prove that to you, and you take us seriously, the first thing I want to show you is an NBA baby pictures.

And I want you to go. Guess who this NBA player is, buy the baby picture. All right, let's go. Take some deep critical thought. This is real journalism here. Yeah, we're doing this. Duane Wade. Oh, my God.

Okay. Hey, you said a little bit of fat. So forget you from Chicago, so you know for sure. Oh, I forgot about that. Watch, watch. I can get all these. You get all these? Okay.

Next one. Only got three. Next one. Who is that kid? Let's put it to the test. He looked a little bit aggressive. See how he's holding that trophy? Yeah.

Very possessive. Wait, who is that? I can see it. You look more familiar to you? Yeah. Yeah, it's probably a reason for that. For sure. Might be somebody you spent a lot of time with in your life.

Is that Ron? That is Ron Holland himself. But he looked like, dresses is day one. What do you mean? You never seen that look while he's trying to guard you? I was like, is that wrong? Yeah.

Yeah, man. What do you think about this? This is crazy. This man's like, no one's taking that trophy from him. Fact. You're winning from day one. Exactly, bro.

Look at motor He's a star You know, I was like Yo, his dad wears stuff like that Like behind him Big Ron The fact that he's had the same style For like 20 years

That you could point that out And it wasn't Ron's face It was his dad's fit That gave it away That's crazy No I swear it was his dad I'm like That's his dad

That's his dad wears oversize stuff like that Right next one Who is this child That's young Mott That's Mott I had to let it himself. That's funny. Was this a soccer team?

Yeah, look at the jersey. How old were you in this picture? That's got to be like eight or seven. How long did you play soccer for? Month. You were a reason with it? Nah. I was out there picking the grass, my mom told me.

Just picking the grass out, not even playing. That's great. That's all the big pictures of behalf of you. Just had to set the tone early. That's funny, man. What's it been like being here for the combine, you know, like, I'm sure you've been around the G-Leaks stuff, so you've been around NBA atmospheres before. Is it any different here? It's not really any different here. It's just, you know, you get to compete against all those guys, those top guys and, you know, show who's the top dog. And it's fun to be around, you know, NBA personnel for sure. Yeah, this is going to be the first time that a lot of people really, like, hear you talk. And so, like, people, they'll, like, read your name and they'll have, like, certain expectations of you.

you, has that been something that you kind of had to, like, dispel? What he means is they don't know it from Chicago. Yeah, yeah, they don't know that. They don't know that. They think, everyone thinks I'm from Lithuania because my parents are from there, but they don't know. I'm really from Chicago, born and raised. So it's, it's funny.

I'll be seeing the comments sometimes. They be like, I had to drop you in the mock draft because you don't have an accent. That's crazy. You know what it is. Listen, Yokish, Luca. dominate these days. They're like to be next up. Exactly. That's hilarious. What do you think you'd be doing if you weren't a basketball player? You've got to work any other job if you're licensed you had a different path? Probably a basketball coach. Yeah, I want to

Yeah, ball is life. Ball is life. But I want to be around the NBA and basketball, you know, just I love basketball. So you wouldn't be a gamer because I heard you had passions for that when you're younger? I did. Now they're dead and there's no more, no more passions for that. I don't play video games anymore, but when I was younger, I would play a lot. What did you play? I'd play Fortnite, um, Call of Duty, no stuff like that. Black Ops 2, Black Ops 3. Oh, geez. Yeah, how old were you in Black House 2 was at? I was in the eighth grade. I'm a few years older than you. Man, Black Ops 2 was probably my, I want to say when I was 10. I was like you must have been nine. Yeah. Now I've been playing those games.

My mom had to be there for me purchasing those games. Oh, man. You know, I feel like you're a player that has a very interesting skill set set in where that you can fit next to a lot of stars and it'd be a very glue guy type of player that can really make things work on a really good team. What type of players do you see yourself, when you look across the league and see these playoff teams

that have these guys thriving? What type of archetype or even you can name stars do you see yourself fitting well with? I feel like I can fit well with anybody. Like, whatever the team asks me to do, that's what I'm going to do. So, you know, it's nothing really, too complicated, you know, it's not rocket science, just whatever the team asks you to do,

that's what you do. Interesting. And do you feel like you have like an underrated skill when you read these mock drafts and people trying to analyze your game? What do you feel that people sleep on about you? My defense. My defense for sure. I feel like I could be an elite defender in the league. Yeah, definitely, yeah, because I feel like people really think about you as like the passer and the guy who can keep things moving offensively. It's interesting that. Do you pride yourself on defense? That's something you focus on? I do, yeah. Second half of the season, it just really turned up for me. And I feel, Yeah, I feel like I can be one of those elite defenders, like, you know, Jane McDaniels and watching him.

What's your favorite aspect of the defense aside? Blocking shots. I like to block shots. That seems satisfying. Yeah, that's the fun part of defense for me. I feel like I'll hear a lot of people this weekend, say Jayne McDaniels. You know, he's been the news that Timberwolves are going crazy. Yeah.

What about Jay McDaniels do you think has so many young guys wanted to be like him? Honestly, he just, you know, shuts everyone down. Like, I remember watching the Phoenix playoff games. game and I think they shot like like 19% against him something like that so it's just crazy um also I like watching jonathan isaac because he's like he's kind of has he kind of has my build also just probably a bit stronger but watching him also he's really good defensively yeah for sure yeah when you read these mock jabs like everybody they always have like player comps for for you in the NBA right now who would you say that like your player cop would be they actually kind of um

kind of got one right franz wagner i like to watch him um i like Andre carolinko i like paul george i like a lot of guys i'd be i'd be stealing like a lot of stuff from a lot of guys implementing a lot of stuff i like joe johnson uh mike beasley now listen these these are like real hooper bags that people are talking about no that's interesting that's like real bag work yeah yeah i love the you have andre carolinko who's the defense the length and you have Johnson who's the bag is that how you kind of see yourself as a hybrid of those two things yeah yeah for sure it's interesting it's always interesting to see how people view themselves so that's cool that you're coming in with like both sides of the ball as a priority

so you grew up with a basketball background grandparents parents and your dad actually works around Jonas Valencius right um have you had any personal experiences or any great tips that he gave you when it comes to going through this process for sure um he probably says just you know stay away from the mock drafts the media just focus on you and getting better every single day you know it's not really anything crazy but like there's no magic dust to become better you know you just go and work so one more thing before i get you out of here you know you grew up an NBA fan i assume yeah yeah is there any NBA hill you're willing to die on any stance that you argue with your friends with that's something that you truly are firm on and he takes them over the

years? Carmelo Anthony is the greatest scorer ever. Interesting. Okay. Why is that? My guy. My guy.

He's a biggest guy you've ever met. Every episode of our show. He's always about him. I love Kevin Durant, though. Like, Kevin Durant is insane. I just think, like, I think Carmelo Anthony is, like,

five-level score. Like, post-up. Three-level. Yeah, five-level. Post-up. layups you know finishing mid range

the three ball off the dribble so everything score that breaks dimensions not just into the fourth dimension the fifth one I don't think people like understand how insane it was to guard him like because he would go do a move

he'd get filed they wouldn't call it and he would go do the same move again and just cook you same same thing every time that's great yeah a lot of Camel love on this podcast so it's cool to see you continuing that this man that's all we time we got with you we appreciate you appreciate it man thank you guys for having me for sure absolutely thank you what's so man we're here with rob dillingham how you doing man blessed for sure how you doing sure what's it been like being here at the combing around all the NBA people uh it's crazy for sure

it's a blessing like uh it's kind of hard to enjoy the moment when you end it because you just be anxious but uh i'm just enjoying a moment for sure that's awesome man we're gonna start with some a little more fun you know we know you got a lot of interviews today a lot of the same type of shit ass over and over again. So I want you to do right now, see the screen right here? I'm going to show you some NBA hair swaps. So some players that have different hair and they're accustomed to, I want you to rate them from 1 to 10 based on how good they look.

Hey, wait. Okay, how well the haircut fits that. Yeah, yeah. Big pause. How it fits this. Yeah, how well the haircut works. Let's make that clear. First off, we got read. Oh. That's a

zero. Zero? This doesn't fit him? No. So if you walk in the locker room with this on his head, what would you say? I might not have talked to him. For how long?

Forever? Until he changed his hair. Got him off? That's strong zero, strong zero. It's definitely like a Disney channel type of wig going on all right here. That looks super fake. You see a square?

Too much time in Florida? It feels a straight. Black. Would you mess with it? No. Damn. There's nothing you can do to redeem this. Oh, yeah, it's all right, though.

I mean, like a three. Three. That would have been generous. The more time goes on, you commit yourself. All right, next one. We got Bronny. Yeah, zero. I don't think my boy, why y'all do my boy?

You got to keep the hair? That's crazy. Oh, my God. He doesn't got a bean ball. No, he looks like that right there. You know me. Got a strong, mighty bean look going on. Yeah, for sure.

It's bad enough they made him bald. We took away his eyebrows. That's what it is. That's what does. Yeah. That defeated everything. No, he's a thumb for sure. Got one more.

We got Rob Dillingham with the Draco Malfoy. Ooh. This is hard. No. It's like two. That's two? I say I get, I'm just cute. You know, so I think any hairstyle is going to kind of look solid.

That looks solid, you know? Like a two. That's great. That's into that. We can get a little more serious, man. What was it like going to a school at Kentucky that has so much history of elite guards? You know, Kentucky Guard is the thing people talk about now. So there's a certain, like, everyone assumes a Kentucky Guard is going to work.

Do you feel a certain expectation with that? Or is it a blessing to have that type of influence? Oh, I would say I just went in looking at it is a blessing to even be at Kentucky. You know their history. So it's a crazy history to even be in that conversation of those guards and stuff. So I feel like I just took it to my advantage. went into it, like, with a motivated mindset to perform, so I could be, like, one of them something. Why is it, do you think so many good guards come through Kentucky? Is it a coaching thing, or is it just the way they recruit?

I say it's the way they recruit, who he coach recruits, like, because he only recruits a certain type person. Yeah. So usually you know what you're getting with, with a guard from Kentucky, because coach doesn't just recruit guards who have weird, like, or have different, like, outlooks on basketball. Yeah. I mean, he recruits real people. Yeah. outside of basketball what are what types of things are you interested in um i mean i like fashion and stuff but uh i like i like like real life stuff like like my friends and homies who who didn't had an opportunity that i had and like it's a difference between people liking i mean like like

wanting to do it on their own you know and and like just being around someone just because and them actually focus on themselves and helping themselves so really just helping my friends or teammates that didn't get the chance they deserved by helping them because I know they won't help themselves so that's like what's fun to me honestly helping my the people I care for see life in a different perspective what a great answer so appreciate you fantastic answer I got another question for you though so Kentucky crazy environment fans are crazy people crazy over there as well what is the most awkward fan moment that you experienced during your time awkward family see bro i try to ignore all the fans

i was a different i was different like that was too much but um the fans the fans be like they wear they be wearing weird stuff and then try to take pitches with you you know and then wants you to what you see what you see when where well like you know like how to how the kids be at a game and they'll have been some what's that speed speedos oh yeah yeah yeah that's crazy yeah picture what the speedos are crazy That's crazy. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah.

I would never be in a speedo. It's never tiny at life. You need to be next. You consider yourself someone that's like into fashion. I see you got the Travis zone. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. A little bit, for sure. I like fashion.

Yeah, okay. Well, we're going to play on that a little bit. Another thing on the screen right here. I'm going to show you some NBA draft night fits. I want you to rate them over the years. I don't know if you got anything planned for draft night. This is easy. Okay.

First off, Grady Dick. Yeah. He went out there. He was. I like it because it was him, you know? Yeah. Yeah, as long as you being yourself is cool. It's not my drip.

But I get it like a seven, six. But it was his drip. You see, you got the glasses. Respect something different. Yeah, I like that. The turtle, like, maybe a little bit too much. Yeah, so it's so too high. Yeah, the red was kind of hard, though.

The turtle neck throws me off a little bit. It's a bit. It's a bit of superhero suit. It's the turner neck and the shoulder pads. It's a very, it's a very wide out. Oh, I didn't even know those shoulder pads. Yeah, it's great. Those are not his shoulders.

I promise. Okay, so you said a seven. That makes sense. Next one. Palo Bancaro. got the purple on iced out I don't know I mean the design ain't that bad the purple I don't know why I don't know I don't know I don't really like the purple but I like six I like the design though design is hard it feels in black and white be like eight okay so like six seven okay purple's definitely a lover or hated thing I think yeah I feel like I just don't like colors that's me though because some people like colors I just feel like colors make you look a little

I don't know like yeah so you you might you put you plan on coming out wearing all black probably something like that all black a few colors or something listen if you want to see something with no color we'll continue on next one Tim Duncan had this age I mean please tell me you think this is hard he's a legend he's a legend not a fashion legend though yeah loki no matter he didn't it wasn't his stees you know I like that though solid fit for real would you wear this though no no I'm not wearing that so so So it seems like it's black suit or bust with you.

Is that where we're going with this? I don't know, but my suits is going to be like tight, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, perfect. My suit ain't going to be looking, no type of off. Yeah, no, no, no, no extra fabric. Yeah, no, I got you. What do you think, I don't know, keep on the topic of clothes?

What team do you think has the best jerseys right now in the league? I like the Wizards jerseys, the Wizards. What about the city jersey from this year? You like that one? Yeah, the old one. Wait, from this year? Yeah, the city jersey is the black one with the medieval text. It's like red and green.

Oh, yeah, I did like those. You like those? I feel like if you wear those. That was the, I don't know, bro. I don't know if I seen them. They got like, they're like a Shrek type of font on them. It's like, I don't know if I've seen. Dungeoned dragon shows.

It's pretty bad. I think I did like those low key. Yeah. I think I did, though. I got a Sean, you got to show on to me, though. Yeah, okay, just amazing, sir. With those jerseys on, feel like you ought to, like, have a sword by your shorts. It's like, they look like one of them, like, Harry Potter type jerkins.

Before we get you out of here, What do you, no, we talk about Kentucky guards. Who do you see yourself when you think about these player comparisons of all the elite guards in the league? Who do you view as a guy that you want to model your game after? I mean, I don't really model my game after no one. I watch so much basketball from like literally every guard. Yeah. And every guard is playing the NBA I watch.

So I try to just take a bunch of guards and put them all in one. That makes sense. And it's not even just the star guards. It's the little guards like Leandro Barbosa, JJ Brer. Like little guards that you can take everything from little. Interesting. So who's the most underrated Guard in league right now, you think?

Right now? People sleep on. Tyree's Maxie. That's kind of easy. Yeah. Super. He's cold. He average, like, 26th year.

He's super cold. Made that Star League finally? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Make sense? What's something that you've taken from one of, like, the lesson on guards from like a JJ Barbella, Landreau Barbosa? Really just like running the team and doing little stuff like when you get past your man, when you get under the basket, they keep going through.

Instead, dribbling through the baseline. Just little things, getting the ball of the court, not the flashy things that everybody see out of high re and stuff, but just the real basketball things because you can have a flash, but you got to have that too. And once you have both, it's like, you can't really do nothing because you got everything. For sure, for sure. Well, that's all the time I got with you today. Appreciate you coming through. Thank you, bro. I have a personal question because I know you're from, you're from Duncanville.

I need to know. As a Dallas native, would you ever rock a shag? The haircut, the shag? Oh, a shag? Oh, no. Damn. I didn't hear what he was saying. Nah, not a shag.

What's a shag? Is this like the thing? It's like, so yeah. That's bad, by the way. I hope not. I just need to know. Nah. Yeah, we're all, we're from Texas.

That's more of rappers. Yeah. Old school rappers. I'm just saying. Not the new ones. Damn. They're not wrong with it, but nah. Not you.

That's great. Listen, we're going to keep it real casual. We're going to start off with some fun. We've got your screen right here in front of you. I'm going to have you react to some NBA baby pictures. You ever seen this before? No, I haven't. Yes, I'm going to show you a player's baby picture.

You've got to guess who the player is. It'll start off pretty easy. So none too hard. First player, who is this kid? That's kiddie. Yeah, that's Kevin Durant. Real easy. Yeah, that's kidding.

Why did you know so fast? The face was, like, structure. It just looked like him. Yeah. He grew into the eyes. You see the eyes? Yeah. That's real simple.

Next one. Who is this kid? I don't want to be wrong. There's only, there's a limited and not, but there's only so many There's not a lot of people look like that. Who's not what you do?

Not Larry Bird. A lot more modern. He has the potential. It's a familiar face. Hold on. Is he in a league right now? No, but you know him. That's modest.

That's modest. You said Larry Bird. Larry Byrd, his photo would be in black and white. This photo looks so recently. I don't know, man. My bad. That's on me. Larry Bird.

How do you feel about this jersey fit? This sleeves to his wrists? This is terrible. That's not it. I think that shirt could fit you today. I'm there. I got to get on him about this one. That's bad.

I got one more for you. Who is this child? Oh, my. Ooh, man. They look angry. That's me. That's Ryan Hall. This is a flag football trophy?

Yeah, that's before. for the hoop days right there. Why were you so mad? You have a trophy in the head. I wasn't mad. That's the funny thing. That's just my face. That was just me.

That's how I walk around. You probably hell of excited. That is a championship trophy. I have no reason to be mad. I don't know why I mean. Modis saw this and he knew it was you, but not because your face. He said he knew was you

because your dad's so dresses like that. Yeah, he's definitely. He was struggling for the face and he saw that, those big jeans. He was like, that's Ron's dad. That's funny. whatever that's the end of that getting back to some more basketball

related stuff you know you're a very interesting player very moldable player with your size and all the different versatility you bring what is somebody that you watch in the league and you find inspiration from yeah for sure uh well inspirational inspirational wise I say I listen to a lot of Kevin right now

just his mentality his passion for the game is just you can't teach that and I feel like I got to I see a lot of that in me when I listen to him so yeah but watching players that's playing right Now, I would say, I mean, watching J.D. McDaniels in the playoffs right now, his intensity on defense is, oh, well, that's all I'm about. You know what I'm saying? He's enjoying defending people. You can't teach that either. When Mikel Bridges first hit the league, he was

three-and-d guy guarding the best player every single night and hitting shots when it was this time in his shots. I definitely see me doing that. And once that cherry happened, everything that he was working on, it was presented to him. Yeah. And he is where he is today. And then a lot of Jalen Brown, just watching how he added something to his game every single year. I definitely do a lot of studying with that. Everybody's saying Jay McDaniels. The young guys love him. That's interesting. Yeah, sure. I mean, he's just out there enjoying what he's doing. Yeah. If anyone watches you for just like the first five minutes of your game, people will notice that you have a lot of energy and just like motor. Where do you get that from? I think that's just come from the competitive nature

of my family. I'm growing up around my uncles, just turning literally anything you can think of competitive like we'll be at the crib i'm young watching the cowboys eagles play yeah i don't know one of my uncles we're sitting up in a setting like this here i'm fascinated you ron right look outside in the street race man we're just racing like yes no it's just stuff like that i just not losing that obviously as a kid i don't really know the meaning behind competitive yeah but as a looking back at it right now i know i was a competitive kid for sure what's what's a part of your game that you think is underrated that you're ready to like show people that you have in your back? I would say my playmaking ability. If you look back at Ignite, this has really been

the first year I've had the ball in my hands this much. And I feel like I was able to get guys going easily just by getting them the ball and the spots that they really love. I learned my teammates quickly. Yeah, as I said, that's one of the underrated parts of my game that people really ain't seen or really just paid attention to for a. For sure. Interesting. So you grew up an NBA fan, I presume, right? And I'm going to ask you some questions around that. You're just some real, getting some more opinion-based stuff. I'm going to name two NBA players one old and one new, and I want you to let me know which one you think was better in their prime. Prime.

Yeah, they're prime. We'll do that way. First off, Kyrie Irving versus Alan Iverson. It's tough. Two of the most love players in the league. They're so alike in so many ways. Alan Arvison. Why is that?

Literally, Kyrie at his prime, but stupid athletic. 40-inch right? Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes sense. Everything Kyrie can do with the person that has braids and bounce. Kyrie plus influence Kyrie plus oral is the same

bro okay next one Kevin Durant versus Larry Bird tough one that's nah that's

two of the most skill players of all time I mean I can't even see her act like I just I pay attention to Larry Bird like I've seen like film and stuff this is why I'm saying Kevin Durant

but just watching KD his passion for the game is insane and what he's done for the game and how he's just changed the game He's done so much for the game in basketball It's just

It's unheard of You know So that's why I pick out Okay Last one Similar vein So maybe Maybe the same things apply

Please don't say MJ and that Edwards Nah No I'm so Listen There's no MJ

Or LeBron talk coming here Remember Who wrote Steph Curry Or Magic Johnson One of the hardest Debates Very different players

Yeah How tall is Magic Johnson? 6-9 About 6-9 About you right Magic Johnson Ooh I mean, let's not get a twisted.

I mean, Curry is probably one of the best shooters this league has ever seen. Magic Johnson, 6-9, like I said. That's a point guard. That's a good tiebreaker. He can, I mean, that alone just separates him, and he can do, probably not shoot as well as Curry, but he can do everything else. Yeah, yeah. Plus, he's 6-9, I don't want to keep.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, one last thing before we get you out of here, if you weren't an NBA player, if you weren't, someone that grew up playing athletics what job do you think you'd see yourself doing in the real world uh i would say my family and what they was around i'd probably be in a medical field my mom or people people you say i like i mean it's a better word for arguing i like to debate yeah so that's like business law you know what i'm saying to be a lawyer or just trying to get people

out of trouble with you i heard that same shit grown up all the time as argument a kid they're going to be a lawyer one day yeah sure i feel you but that's all the time we got with you today man you coming through. Yes, sir. I appreciate it. Absolutely appreciate it. How's it going, man? Tell me about how the combine, everything's going. It's going good. Being around good players every day. But now, you know, we're off the court. We just get the chill. We chat it up. Combine was fun. Doing all the testing. Shooting-wise, a lot of people did good. I mean, so it was just kind of cool to see where everybody's at right now. And off the court, see how everybody is. Does it give you a sense of, like, energy and competition growing, being around everybody, being around this environment?

I mean, for sure. We all here, but we all know why we're here too. The draft coming up, now you get to really see your competition up front, you know, see how tall people are. People you didn't get to play against, now you get to see them for the first time. So it's just kind of cool just to see all the buzz that's going around. What about the combine so far has surprised you the most? How athletic some people are. Yeah. We were, like doing the testing. I went in like kind of one of the earlier groups. And when I ran, I thought I was going to stay in first.

I read 304. I'm like, I mean, I might do good. They told me there was like only five people have ever gone below three. Yeah. Man, I look by the end of the day, I'm in like seventh place. I'm like, yo, there's like four people that ran below three. So, I mean, just seen how a let it, you know, read, he jumped 42, vertical, just stuff like that.

I'm just like, dang. Yeah. That's probably been the, yeah. What was it like being on Trey Young's AAU team? No, it was cool. He was always around us, too. We got to go to his house, play at his court. Playing on Inda side, you know, everybody hype up the Nike side more than the Dita side.

So having that experience for two years, saying that it's actually still competition. It's more of like a team league than the YBL, you know, a lot of ISO stuff. So it was real cool. We got a good relationship with Trey. He just been saying, I'll see you over. up here one day and now we're getting closer. I was to ask you that. Is he still keeping contact with you guys?

You view him as a resource of experience? Yeah. Yeah, we'll still chat it up occasionally. When we do a big compliment too, he'll post on Twitter, he'll shout us out. It's dope. Yeah, so, I mean, he's been very influential.

For sure. One question I have for you, do you consider yourself a guy that's really into, like, fashion or anything like that? Yeah. That's okay, so I'm actually on-court fashion. What team do you think has the best jerseys right now?

best jerseys i say the when the lake i mean not the lakers the jazz come up with the purple oh that's hard that's the top ten jersey for sure for sure dude they gotta make that they're permanent colors they have to they have to yeah i don't know how opinionage you are about the regular ones i got right now nah i'm not big on those i can't imagine anybody is no one is the purple fire yeah how do you feel about city jerseys city jerseys yeah uh I mean they're kind of cool um that's kind of new isn't it yeah yeah yeah I mean it's kind of

cool but I think jerseys now aren't as clever as old ones what was the peak era of jerseys you think like Tracy McGrady's era of the stars on it 2000 yeah we talk about this a lot and most everybody agrees around here we need to get back

to having like the cartoons on it and stuff like that stuff like that was cool with me absolutely which jersey right now are you like not the biggest fan of besides the jazz they don't count they're obviously the worst we don't punch it down on the jazz and we're over it I saw some jerseys the other day.

It was not fire. It's a nicest way to call someone trash. Oh, you don't like those? Which ones? I like the white ones, but the other colors are kind of iffy? No, the maroon. The maroon with the yellow. Too simple?

Yeah, it just doesn't really. Practice jersey vibes going on over there? Yeah, basically. Yeah, I feel like. Okay. If you weren't going to go pro in basketball or really any sport, what job you think you'd see yourself doing, you went down a different path I think I'd have my own business sometimes something with

clothes honestly yeah I think I have like start trying to start like a clothing line interesting yeah so I doesn't ask you what some people don't something people don't know about you is that you're really into clothes yeah so do you already have a plan for like what you're gonna wear at the drive yeah oh well you're talking about like after draft my suit and stuff yeah yeah yeah it's gonna be fire yeah how you only been planning it for how long you've been planning it for good for now like two and a half I was thinking on it. Yeah, you're ready.

Okay. Whatever you were growing up, and once you hit that certain age, you knew you were making the NBA, how long until you started thinking about draft night stuff, what you're going to fit? Honestly, just after this past season. That's when I really started thinking about it. Okay, okay.

What a moment specifically made you realize, like, oh, wait, like, I'm like that, and I can actually, like, make the NBA? Probably going, going my senior year when I was in Lake, at Link Academy and Branson, just playing against top competition we were playing. And then that's kind of when they started doing a little mock draft stuff with us. And at the time, I think when they first dropped it, I was in like maybe like 18 in the rankings. But in the mock drafts, they had me like top five, top ten.

So I was like, dang. Yeah, I'm like that. Whoa. I'm like, am I hooping like that? Yeah. But yeah, so that's probably when I realized that like NBA, I was really hooping. But yeah, now we're here, getting closer. Yeah.

What are, like, two players? Like, if you could put two players together to make your game in the NBA, who would those two players be? I'm going to add Kauai. Naturally. If I feel Kauai is a prototype for any big wing, that's the guy to look to. So, locks you down, of course, and do what you've got to do on the offense. He's simple.

I got to get somebody I can shoot. Yeah. You couldn't even just leave that Kauai. Maybe you just view yourself as Kauai. A better shooting Kauai. Better shooting Kauai. I think, yeah, more range Kauai. Okay, I feel that.

Last thing we'll do before we get you out of here. You're an NBA fan, right? You grew up watching the game. I'm going to ask you about some opinionated stuff. I'm going to name two NBA players, one old and one new, like a passion iteration, and I want to know which one you think was better in their peak. Okay. Because we was doing this at Baylor a lot.

Oh, yeah, okay. So, yeah, you probably had these arguments before because these are old, old, famous ones. Kyrie versus Alan Iverson. Man, in their peak? At their peak. Hey, I got to go AI. Why?

Ooh. Oh, but it's hard. People call Kyrie the most skilled player of all time, you know? I say Kyrie has the best handles for sure. Okay. That's not even debatable really anymore. AI is shorter than him, right? Yeah.

Yeah. That's why I'm giving it to him, just because then he got an MVP. Yeah. He did. And, yeah, he was short. He was frying, like. Made it finals. He never used his left.

I'm looking at film. Like, he really never used his left. In the era? Two words? playing with. It's crazy. Huh? And the area he was playing with two is crazy. That's what I'm saying.

Like those were high-level guys. It was kind of in his position-wise, too. So, yeah. Okay. Harder one. Kevin Durant or Larry Bird? That's the great one. This one's tough.

Damn. KD's my favorite player. Is he? I got to go with KD. Okay. But no disrespect to Larry. Of course not. Larry dumb nice.

Two of the most talented players in all the time. You can't go wrong either way. Curry or Magic Johnson. The goat point guard debate For like the best point guard Yeah best no resumes just who's better at basketball Who's better at basketball magic Just no resumes

Yeah yeah just magic Currie's still the best shooter Why you say that? Magic Because he just looked cool He made basketball look cooler Honestly that's why I'm giving it to him Hora points yeah

Yeah he was just like he was cooler at a play of basketball Yeah All the flashy passes Yeah, ball control all that But Curry's like, I say better score for sure. We're here with Reed Shepard, one of the best shooters in the draft, on the most promising top 10 pick potentially. How are you feeling, man?

How's the combine going for you? Oh, I feel good. You know, I'm glad to be here. It's a dream to be at the Combine. You know, you watch it growing up, and it's always a dream. And then now being here, it's really cool and having all the great players around. You know, it's something that, it's something you work for your whole life and dream about. So being here is really, really fun.

Awesome, man. I'm going to start off with something fun. Get the energy flow in. I'm going to show you some NBA hair swaps, you know? Okay. So some players, the haircuts that don't traditionally have, and I want you to rate it from 1 to 10 based on how well it fits them, how good it looks,

whatever you think. Okay. So real simple. First one we got, we got. Rob with a name. Rob with haircut, you could have had. Zero. That's it.

Zero. I'm sorry. We can't do that to Rob. That's... He called this a two out of ten for himself. No. Because he said that he's just cute, so it works. No, that's a zero. That is a zero. You're not getting into two points he gave himself? Ah, no. No. No. Were you surprised that he gave himself two points? Yeah. No.

What about it doesn't suit him? Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. So where do I begin? Yeah. I don't even know. All right. Next one. We got E. E. okay the long hair I say a five yeah it definitely fits him better it fits a better than that fit Rob I feel like I've seen him before I know in a different era this could work yeah no he could throw a head in and it fixed it up a little bit but just he's got real

short hair and now he's got the the long hair so if this was the 80s he would have been a rock star and he would have had yeah they've been flocking super tight leather pants I'm doing a five absolutely he's a drummer for sure yeah one. Donovan. That's a zero, too. I can't lie. That's a zero too.

I don't know if anyone can rock that hair. Yeah. Not great. Not great for him. Yeah, no. No, that's a bad look. I mean, I think it's cool. It's unique.

It's definitely unique. Yeah, it definitely is. I'm going to zero, though. Sorry. That's bad. Everybody's out here just getting zero. Everybody. Everybody. No points allowed.

Keep your own hairstyle. That's great. We move on the next thing. You know, what's something that people don't know about your game when they read these scouting reports and try to get an idea of what should look like in the league? What do you think people are sleeping on? You know, you can't see how you are as a teammate on a stat sheet. I think just being a guy that's always bringing like positive energy, good vibes to the team in the locker room and stuff being that guy that, that you can count on, you can talk to no matter what.

I think I'll be able to do that and bring in just like a positive mindset to it. Everyone, keep everyone happy and smiling. And no matter what it is, just keep everyone up and into the team. Throughout this entire process, who's given you the best piece of advice that you actually used till this day, and what was it?

Yeah, I mean, there's so many things that I could say, but you know Coach Cowell once, we were having a meeting, and I was still in high school, and he was like, my high school coach asked, he was like, what's something Reed can do from now until he gets to college, and coach just said have fun. And like, when he said that, it's like when you're on the court, just like have fun, smile, enjoy playing basketball. Like, you're playing a game you love, so it might as well have fun just, and throughout this whole thing, like, have fun like like the whole combine you know it's just it's been fun you're here you're excited to be here with some guys you've known your whole life so just enjoy it and have fun do you have a

specific moment where when you look back and you're like man that was fun yeah yeah yeah there's so many there's so many like memories from just college like just I know I was there one year but like the team was so special we were so close so so being able to I could look back And I could tell you so many things that were really just fun. And it wasn't even basketball related with the team that we had. Kentucky is a wild environment. And although, like, things can be fun, fans are crazy. What has it been, like, the weirdest, awkward fan experience you've had so far there?

No, the fans are definitely, they're crazy. But, you know, that's what they are. They're the best fans in the world. They travel. The weirdest? I don't know about the weirdest thing right off the top of my head. but you know they're they're everywhere like you'll be they follow you they'll they'll they'll be everywhere you know they'll you'll go to shoot around and come outside and they're they're waiting on

you outside it's they're pretty intense and but they love it man they love they love Kentucky basketball they love anyone that plays at Kentucky and that's part of coming to Kentucky is you get you get a deal with the fans you get a deal with the best fans in the world so it's pretty cool even though it's it's a lot and it's crazy. It's still really cool knowing how much that they look up to you and support you. I want to averse your attention real quick. Back to the hair swaps. I know I said we were done, but I lied. You know one more for you.

Ooh. Rate this one. Ah, fuck with it. That's a zero. What? No, that's bad. I think you can do this. Make it? Listen, with the headband, this is not giving you credit for your current hairline. This is really aging you back. Yeah, why my forehead's so big? We're making you 40, but outside of that, you put a thick

headband on here, a thick Clay Thompson headband? We might Yeah, maybe if I had a headband on, but, ooh, yeah, but right there, I look, I don't know, my forehead looks, it looks way too thick, but no, that is, that is, that's funny. You're going to draw some side eyes with this if you go on public? Yeah, no joke. They don't, they might not even recognize me. They don't, they might not even recognize me. This is a whole personality change for sure.

Whole personality change. You said you like country music after this, you might have to like. Codec black. Yeah. I can't listen to country music looking like that. Ask Rob if you would talk to you. know. And I was like, when would you get over it? You know, when would you finally talk to him with his hair cut? He said, never. Just cut you off until you cut it. Yeah, I might do the same to

Rob if he had that. I don't know if I'd be able to talk to him. That's great, man. One more question before you get out of here. You know, there's a long history of elite NBA white boys. We got the JJ Reddicks, the Larry Birds, everybody putting on. Who's on your Mount Rushmore of NBA White Boys? It's tough. There's a lot of legends. You got to go Steve Nash Okay, naturally Classic Gotta go Larry Bird

Okay, of course Go locks Now it's interesting I'm going Rex Chapman Oh what a deep cut I like that That's my guy Rex is my guy

What did you think of that Okay That's my guy He went to Kentucky I love that He's from Kentucky I respect that Most of people would not have picked

him so I would respect The deep cut No recipes are being passed on Rex is my guy This is a real nowhere Yeah One spot left A lot of names up there

Jay J.J. Reddick's on my list, but I know he's not with your side of town. Yeah, JJ Reddick. A lot of legends. Bob Pettit. Brian Scalibre? Alex Truso. I'm going to go with someone playing now.

I'm going to go with Austin Reeves. Just because he's, he's reached out to me a few times this season and text me, so I'm going to put him up there. Shout to Austin Reeves. one of the four greatest NBA white players of all time. Looking out for his. I love it, bro. It's a community.

You mentioned Austin Reeves reach out to you. Is there any other players that you have a connection with already going to lead that you view as somebody you can look to for inspiration or, and you start out of sort with that experience? Yeah, you know, that's a good thing about the NBA is we had some meetings last night and there were a bunch of NBA guys there and all the former Kentucky players, you know, they were there for us and come back Tyrese, you know, quickly. like all those guys came back and talked to us and we kind of have that relationship where where we don't talk every day we don't talk a lot but like I feel like if I see them out if I need

something that they'll definitely be there for me just from the Kentucky effect and and thus knowing each other a little bit yeah real quick before you get you out of here you've got a very interesting game that you're flying up mock drafts because people view as a guy that can fit in any team right play next to stars do all these things what do you view as a perfect type of fit not with a specific team I gotta go there but like what type of fit with a team do you think makes sense like are you guys that can play next to an elite point guard with a good lead big like how do you view your game fitting with other teams yeah I think I think I can fill with with a lot of different styles of play and teams and I just like to play basketball and and have fun

while I'm playing and play a freeway you know throw lobs throw the ball up the court get in the paint kick it out kick their make threes you know guard get a stop throw it up the court throw a lob all this just play a fun way not so much much a half court style. But if it's a half court style, I can do that too. Playing with a great point guard, I play with two great point guards this year. So it's definitely, it's a lot of fun

being able to get spot up and let them create and then create a shot for you and you shoot it and then the other way around. So whatever style of play, I think I'll be just fine. What play specifically gets you out of your seat? What do you love to see your guys do, or what do you love to do the most? I love, like, it's just good when you can get some guys that, like, we had a couple of plays this year.

Like, Zavonimir had a play, like, we swung it around, and then we threw it to him, and he threw it behind a back pass for a three. It's like when everyone touches it, and then you get, like, a three or a dunk, just the arena and everyone on the team kind of just, like, gets going, and that's just a, that's a really fun play. That's great. Nice. Well, it's all the time we got to get you on your next interview. Appreciate you coming through, man.

Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. We're sitting here with potential, number one overall pick. We'll see where you fall. Top five, probably for sure. Alex Sar, how you doing, man? How are you? Doing great.

What's it been like being around here on this whole NBA environment for the first time? Yeah, I mean, it's nice, you know, seeing all the other players in my class, getting to know people. Just be nice. Yeah, yeah. One question on the guy, right up to the top. You're obviously a real athletic guy. Did you play other sports growing up? And if so, which one could you see yourself going pro in besides the NBA?

I mean, I used to run track when I was younger. you know like just the age where you just try a lot of different stuff ring track and I mean I could have been a goalie for sure yeah covered a lot of coming a lot of ground yeah it feels like every two years we're getting a prospect from France that is just like these insane prospects can you explain what is going on in in France and why France basketball is just popping off in this way yeah I mean I think we just have a lot of talent over there you know like in general role there's a lot of good players a lot of talented um i'll sound conventional players that you don't really see often and i think our national team will be like pretty scary you know a couple

years from now for sure yeah as soon as you know where that french area is where the the factory is let me know so i can tap in and just like get like 15 years ahead not only are you all skilled you're all huge we're in all these big man you're yeah good thing going on over there but a real question is um played in OTE, obviously I have a lot of experience over there as well overseas in general. What are the biggest differences, whether it be stylistically or just like mentality on the court-wise over there? I mean, it was different because OTE is more with guys my age in Australia. I was playing against a grown man, you know, that already been to college, that already

did their NBA careers, you know. So it's really two different things. It's way more physical in Australia. and it's a really fast-based game, but OTE, you know, you're really focused on you're getting better as a player, you know, and I think it was really important in my two years to get better and, you know, in order for me to take the next step. What do you think you improved on the most when you were at OTE? I mean, everything, you know, I think I got bigger, stronger, faster, it got taller.

My skill set got better, you know, I just, I was starting from zero, but, you know, I took it to another level. I feel like one of the things that makes you very interesting as a prospect is obviously your versatility. You're a four and a five in the best ways, right? You have the mobility. You have the interior force. And a lot of people who question is, what will that role end up shaking out like? I know you're obviously open to whatever you're going to go with the flow and where a coach wants you. Do you have a preference of what type of role you feel most comfortable in? Yeah, I mean, you know, I feel more comfortable when I'm in a more positionless role. You know, like whether I got to play the five sometimes or the four, you know, I don't think

it really matters for me is just being a basketball player you know like you grab a rebound you got to push the ball and find you open man you can't do that you know you got to space the floor hit a shot or you got a little guy on you and you got to dug down and and try to get easy bucket I think that's what basketball is really about and of all these areas you know like I said you're very versatile what's one that you feel like would be like something you really to focus on something that would be a big point of like improvement for you something you want to focus on improving at the next level. Yeah, I mean, right now I'm just focused on, you know, getting a really consistent jumper and a three-part shot just to be a threat from the outside. Yeah, that makes sense. All right. We've been talking a lot of basketball. We're going to talk about something very serious now. Very, very serious. I'm going to show you some NBA hair swaps.

Okay. Players in your class with different haircuts, and I want you to rate it from 1 to 10 based on how natural it looks on them, whatever. All right. Very serious. Let's lock in. Let's do it. First off, we got Bronny Jain. of the bald head. What do I mean? Do I got to guess who it is? Oh, no, this is Brian James. You got to rate it from 1 to 10 based on how well it fits them.

Handsome? He doesn't really fit him. No? I don't really think if it's anyone that's how to have eyebrows and nuts. There's eyebrows who exist out here like that. I respect it though. I'll, you know,

I'll give the haircut a five for the, you know. He has potential, right? He can make this better. You're being generous and you're being a nice guy about it. I think it's a zero I think she'd keep his hair but I respect yeah of course next up we got Rob Dillingham yeah nah this I don't think it should do at all yeah that's a zero at least the color you like the color at least no no he doesn't suit

it goes well with a jersey though yeah would you ever go blonde would you ever put some blonde in your hair no no all natural I respect that we're giving this a zero yeah yeah That last one We got Alex saw With the Joaquinoa hair cut Legendary cut You've never thought about doing this No no worse

Yeah that's the time though Because it's me I can't put it off Yeah that could be you in like 20 years Or next year You never know Yeah It could be you whenever you want

You got the hang time already That could be you Yeah Honestly This is good It doesn't look that crazy Yeah it's like crazy You really should try it

Try it Try it out my first game next year You swap out with this Yeah That would be one hell of a way. People see you get drafted. They don't see you for a few months. You go in the lab.

You work on your game. You pop out opening night. Locks. Mid your day. Yeah. Just like Jimmy Butler with the emo cut, you pop out flowing. Yeah, yeah.

Good marketing scheme. I don't know. Your PR team might tell you about that. I don't know. You want to something. Thanks. That's great. Did you grow up a big NBA fan?

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Is there one NBA take you've argued with over the years? One hill you're willing to die on that you won't budge on? You said one what? One, like, hot take or a girl? opinion that you argue about that you're willing to die on that's something that you stand strong on is this is what I think not really except that I think that every

NBA player will like destroy irregular you know yeah yeah but I don't think that's a hard take I think that's what we're great but uh yeah do you think a popular debate going on right now is whether or not NBA players can be in the NFL and like play football or like like play other sports do you think you think a majority of NBA players could play other sports like professionally right now? I mean when I think about it I don't know football that well but even like soccer when I see soccer no I'm not going to lie I don't think my NBA players could be like high level soccer players except goalies you have a lot of nice goalies out there. As far as football I don't know I see I see like the buddy type of a couple

players Lou Dort you know like I think he has the buddy type to be an NFL player Yeah. If you really wanted to, do you think you can actually be a goalie? Yes. Yes. That's great. What's an interest of yours that people don't know you have that will surprise them? I like fishing.

I don't fish a lot, but I like fishing. When did you get into that? Probably like four years ago, I think. I'm like that, yeah. And what's the biggest fish you've ever caught? I don't catch much. I just catch like black bass. You know, I got to step my game up.

but I'll get there. Nice. And what's the musician you've been listened to a lot lately pregame or someone that you've really been locked in on? I've been listening to Drake. I've been listening to Gunna. The album, it just dropped.

Yeah. You can keep it up with the Drake beef? Yeah, I mean, not really. I've been listening to the songs, but I don't really know exactly what's happening. Oh, the history of mine. Yeah, that makes sense. All right, man.

That's all the time we got with you today. I've got to keep it pushing, get you the rest of your interviews. We appreciate you coming through. Well, thanks for your time, guys. Thank you. We are here, man, with Zach Eadie. How you doing, man?

How's the common going for you? It's been good. I mean, it's a blessing to be here on. It's been good. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure. Is it a different environment being around all the NBA personnel, talking other people?

Does it feel special? Yeah, it's definitely different. I mean, you walk through lobby, bump coaches with, with home shoulders with head coaches, assistant coaches, scouts. It's different. Yeah.

Well, we have something a little different for you, Something a little fun, hopefully. If you look at the screen right here, I guess some NBA hair swaps you look at. So people in your draft class. I feel like I'm good at these. Whenever I see on Instagram, I get them. Really?

Okay. So I'm not going to have you guess what the players are, but I have people in your draft class, you're going to rate from 1 to 10 how well the haircut fits them. Okay. So if they can rock this or not, you know? Let's be honest, too. Yeah, we'll be real. First off.

Bad time. Jared McKin. Actually, hey, the more I look at it, it's not horrible. Not horrible. You've seen this dude before. I have. It's different. It's different.

I've seen him like 20 times over the last five months. Yeah, that's not, I thought that's not horrible. Yeah, it's not horrible. It's not great. It's not great. If he's like, if the airline starts going back, it's not a bad option. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he gets to 35, he should be comfortable with this.

It'll be a, you know, I can live with that. We'll see worse. He'll be in his Derek White era. It's nice. Can we give us a good seven? What's like, what's like average? Five? I say it's like an average, like five.

Okay, that would be. I wouldn't look twice. Yeah, that's fair. Just a dude you'll see in the hallway. Next up. You got read. That's crazy. You should never do that.

That's crazy. What makes it crazy? It's just, that's like the, I don't know, that's not, that's not him. I don't think you could do that if you wanted to. It's not allowed. It's not like wear a wig or something. Yeah. Doesn't fit.

Get some backlash his way. Yeah, he can't do that. Yeah. Yeah, he's not brand safe like that for sure. He's going to lose all those. deals? This is against everything they've been telling you guys

at these seminars and they're giving you all the talks this is the opposite of that Yeah, don't do that We're going to zero? Yeah, that's zero. Fair enough, fair enough. That's bad.

Next one. Okay. Yeah, get in your bag, Zach. Y'all should have just pulled up the picture from like my freshman year. Would you get along here like this? Not like that, but I had a big bowl cut for sure. What about this?

Could you rock this? No. It doesn't look terrible. No, it doesn't look terrible. So you would never, So you would never grow your hair out this long again? No, I look like you should be performing at like a rock concert. That's what we said earlier.

You look like you're in kiss. Yeah, that's not mean. You look like a drummer. Zero for sure. Damn. Well, intense, super long hair flips, too, just... That would be crazy. That would be crazy.

Like, imagine that, like, you get a dunk and you're sick and shirt. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. No, that would be the worst. Yeah, but that's... I tried to sell you on it. Apparently, I can. So we'll go and give it a fast. zero and for me I like it I got I got a face if you weren't in the NBA what job

you think you'd be doing um probably like a golfer oh golfer nice I like go yeah you do that in your spare time yeah what's your handicap I'm not I'm not good enough for that I just like doing it I feel that real that's me that's me yeah that's comment it's the best way to go what's one thing that people you think get wrong about your game when you see the scouting reports you see everybody had the strengths and the weaknesses what do you think people are misreading about you i mean i think people kind of look at me i see seven four 300 pounds and assume i can't move my feet um this it's something i've been dealing with for four years i mean it's whatever at this point but i wish people would watch the games more

yeah it's like a lazy easy thing to say yeah it's just easy and your measures were good too they're better than some of the other big guys you can see how i tested like i can move my feet It's just people see seven-fourth venture panels and just assume. Is that something you actively work on trying to, you know, building the perimeter is obviously going to be the deciding factor for you. Yeah. However far your career go. Yeah.

I mean, defense is how you get on the floor. It's how you stay on the floor. Like working in garden and space, guarding the perimeter, doing everything. That's how you stay on the floor. I saw you shooting the three-point shot in the combine. Is that something you're working on too? Yeah, I've always been able to shoot. I mean, you've seen it's like, I've been a good free throw shooting in my career.

I've always been able to shoot. I just haven't. Do you think that's going to be the biggest surprise once you get to the league if you're putting those positions. Yeah, like you said, it just depends, like, what every team wants me to do. They want me to shoot threes, and I'm going to shoot threes. If they don't, then I'm going to stick to what I'm doing. Like, it all depends what a team wants me to do, but I know I can.

Awesome, man. Well, we've only got a little bit of time with you. We've got to keep moving about your busy day, but we appreciate you coming through, man. Yeah, no worries. Appreciate you, John. Thank you. Appreciate you, man. We are joined today by soon-to-be lottery pick.

Isaiah Collier. How you doing, man? I'm good. How you doing? It's a long day? Yeah, you know. But, you know, just enjoying it all right now. Does it feel special being around all the NBA stuff for the first time? Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's my first NBA event. So, I mean, it's special to be around all these, you know, players, you know, and people around here.

So, yeah. Is there anybody you met that's been your favorite or something that stands out so far? I mean, I know about just about everybody. Familiar faces? Yeah. Makes sense, makes sense. Do you learn anything about, like, the, you know, the players that are here at the combine, something that like you didn't know before like like oh wow this guy actually like can jump like

crazy yeah i mean that for sure um you know i see re had a 42 that was pretty crazy real surprising yeah yeah i ain't know he was that athletic so yeah other than that what surprises you the most about the entire process of draft combine uh i mean definitely just ain't a business out of it i mean you know normally you know we from the outside looking in as far as you are We see everything on ESPN, but now we actually here, you know, with the decision makers. So, I mean, it's just, you know, it's crazy. I want to, do you consider yourself some guy that's in the fashion a little bit? Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Well, I'm going to show you on the screen right here. So NBA draft night fits. I want you to rate them from 1 to 10. Okay. Yeah, so real simple. I guess. Take some suits, so let you know what you think. First one we got, we got Scoot Henderson from last year.

It's just like a 9. He did his thing, and luggage from scratch. Like he did his thing. with that one. Is it something that you would wear? Well, something I wear. I mean... Everyone got that in style.

Yeah, because it pops. Yeah. I mean, so I say like a nine, yeah. Okay, okay. Next one. We got Scotty Barnes with all white. He put that shit on. It's like, it's like an eight.

You know, I'm not really a turtleneck person. You got to be special to rock a turtle neck. Yeah, that takes some... You got, your adventures a little bit. Yeah, I'll say like a seven, eight. Okay. Very classy. Yeah, it's smooth, though.

Last one. Drew Gooden from 2003. That's a shit bad. That's being nice too. I'm not going to lie to you. That was real polite. Yeah. It's oversized. You say bad? I say it looks like one of these curtains back here. Yeah. I don't know about that one. Is it the tin man?

No, this is the suit version of a cyber truck. All right. That's great. Yeah, that's all that's all real quick drafts. If you weren't going to be a basketball player, what path do you think you would have been in your life? What job do you think you'd be working at? What job? Probably something to do with people, to be honest. You know, good around people.

I think, I mean, I don't really know what particular, but it's just something around people. You felt those people skills are something that helps you as a player in the locker room? Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, it was probably instilled me when I was younger, to be honest. You know, just always coming in the room, just probably younger or something like that. So, yeah. Your point guard. One of the best, of course.

As a point guard, when you're running down on offense, what's the first thing that you read the defense? I mean, you know, you got to see where everybody at. As a PG, you really, you know, you're responsible for 10 players on the court, to be honest. So, I mean, you know, just coming down to court, I mean, first of all, you got to see it was open. You know, I mean, coach might call the ball player or something like that. But, I mean, it's your job to, you know, just have everybody in the right place. and you know at the right time and you know just make something shake to be honest as far as you know maybe calling a play call or you know maybe getting it for

yourself or getting someone involved so yeah whenever you see all these mock drafts and evaluations people looking from the outside end at your game what's something that you feel like they miss or they get wrong about you I mean everything to be honest I mean I don't really pay attention to it much but I mean if I have you know it's just I mean they're all opinions so I mean yeah yeah and so to that point you know you if you're not paying attention to what everybody else says and you're really thinking about your game from what you know you can do what's the type of team you see yourself fitting well with how about different differences just as far as just for me

it's just you know trying to get drafted by the right situation yeah that's exactly I mean you know just you know everybody wants to win so I mean just trying to go to a team you know that you know has that winning culture you know well they want to win from day one that's definitely just a goal of mine. And, you know, for me, as you know, going in there, just trying to do anything to produce to win. So, yeah, nice. Off the court, what are some of your interest?

Like, what are some things that you like to do that many people may not know about you? Yeah, I mean, for me, I'm, I could be adventurous at times, you know. Sometimes I, you know, go to the beach every now and then, you know, see the sunset or, you know, golfing, go to top golf or something like that. You might say golfing? Nah, you know, but We're going to be straight, though

It's going to take time And then I'm out there They look like Tiger was, real. For sure. I'm horrible at Top Golf. I'm terrible. I'm a beast move real soon, though. I tore my calf.

Damn, they're playing golf. I mean, you see, you got to swing with me. You're going to get it right for sure. Tend your calf is ridiculous, by the way. It happened. It is what it is. Let's not talk about it. I saw your interview yesterday.

or the day before, where you were talking about Dave Yon Mitchell, Derek White, and Drew Hollidays players that you looked up to and monitor your game after? What point in your basketball career does that flip kind of switch, you know? Because I feel like growing up, everybody wants to be Curry, wants to be so-and-so.

When did you realize that, like, a certain role is necessary? I feel like it just came with maturity, realizing that, you know, players are not going to always go into the league and be that guy. Yeah. I feel like I realized that early

and try to establish myself, into a role that is realistic. When you've been trying to, you know, establish that new role, have you been able to find a skill that you were kind of surprised that you were able to do? You know, defense has always been, you know, something that I take pride in. But, yeah, guarding bigger positions,

I feel like with something that I, you know, surprised myself with, especially being an undersized two-guard. Yeah, I took pride in being, you know, efficient on the defense end. So that was probably one of the... Yeah. Where did that pride come from? I think just being, you know, just growing that mental toughness over the years from, you know, all the stuff that comes with being, you know, who I am. Yeah.

Totally just, you know, flipped a switch in my head and, you know, maybe be tough. Yeah. I know you're very... people know a lot about your hobbies online you know everyone knows you're a gamer like certain things if you weren't to be a basketball player what do you think would have been doing probably gaming yeah be honest with you or playing some other sport uh I played soccer when I was younger so probably probably that or snowboard I snowboard a lot so that's probably you're a snowboard yeah yeah yeah yeah what'd you get into that uh since I was little I mean

hitting the many slopes in Ohio was pretty fun but you know I've I've been going to Aspen and stuff recently, so that's been... Is that the best part of Ohio? Um... Let me phrase that. What's the other good parts of Ohio? The Cavs games. Dope.

Cedar points, Cedar points. There you go. We got two things. We got three total. We're good. Right next thing I want to do with you, you see the screen right here. Yeah.

I'm going to show you some pictures of people in your draft class with hair swaps. Okay. And I want you to rate from 1 to 10 how well it fits them. I bet. All right. Your first one. We got Sarr with the Joe Kim Noah haircut. I don't think it looks that bad.

It works, Loki. You've seen someone like this before Probably just random civilian I mean I mean I mean yeah but like it doesn't look that bad I feel like if the hair was darker It would look better So I'll give it a

6.5 Okay 6.5 Next one We got Reed Shepherd What's your reaction You see him walking to the common

for the first time Rocking this What do you say to him? Literally that I know You're like damn I'll say what you're thinking This dude probably says words

he's not supposed to say that's what it is he's one of them red flags out of the book yeah yeah um

man that's interesting um yeah I give it a five I give it a no I give it a four yeah that's the highest anybody's rated

read sir bro I'm like you're a generous man listen Rob Dillingham said he would cut him off and not be his friend no more so he cuts it off I think that's fair

that's wild man smooth zero over here also the head the forehead's ridiculous yeah the foreheads yeah he need a You need a headband or something.

Speaking of that, the third one, we got E.D. I ain't a lie. He's rocking it. I give it an eight. I give it a eight. It's tough. It's fitting. If he had a headband, too, it would be, it would be nice.

He looks like an actor. Yeah, he does. He says he looks like he'd be in a rock band. Yeah, yeah, that too. That too, for sure. Rocking a steel guitar. Yeah. A hell of head bangs for sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got one more. Damn. that's crazy that's crazy you know it's funny before you walked in I was like

he's gonna see this and say that's crazy that's wild man I get a a negative 10 man I don't know what that is man

you don't think you can rock the ball D if you had eyebrows it would look a little yeah why why don't I have no yeah that's what's crazy

I did the first time and I saw a ball and I was like too normal if you ever get to that point I know somebody in Turkey and we could take a if I ever get to that point

I'm not stepping out there that's what's happening you know you can't give yourself a two just yeah nah that's an acceptable angle that's bad that's funny

self-reflection that's good that's good yeah what's a what kind of artist you've been listening to pregame

your rotation lately um say future um always juice world yeah always what's your favorite juice song probably release probably bees knees unrelease that's been unrelease that's a hard one i like montclair year i like autograph even though it's a little mainstream yeah um attachment is little young thug. Oh, you're in the weeds, for sure. Yeah, no, I know. I know everything. Yeah, but, you know, it's just a few.

Well, listen, they're knocking on that door. They need to get you about your busy day. So that's all the time we got with you today. Appreciate you coming through, man. Yeah, sir. Welcome to TikTok time. Hope you all enjoyed all those interviews. That was, it was quite fun.

A hundred percent. Listen, watching it back was probably as fun for me, like the first time. So I hope you go. guys enjoyed it. I feel like I learned a lot watching it back. A lot of stuff we can improve on, a lot of stuff that went well. It'll be fun to continue to do more interviews. It definitely has itching to do more. More soon to come for sure in the future. We're going to get better and better, more entertaining, more creative. And it's better content for you, Crown users right now. But right now, this is the time that they all have been waiting for. Bronny James is cool to talk to

and all that. But this is where we really make a living. For anybody who's watching us for the first time, because you're here for the interviews, welcome to TikTok time. This is the the section on the pod where we basically play a bunch of games do a bunch of gamified content stuff that's specifically for short form but you get the longer version of it and the first thing we're going to do today I'm going to have you guys guess the NBA team by their memes which is a weird way to phrase it but basically I'm going to show you an NBA lineup and instead of how we traditionally do it where we have you guessed by the colleges they went to or the 2k overall or anything like that there's going to be a picture in place of every player you got tell me who's who this is very

if you know you know you have to be online to understand these references 100% you have to be in the know for sure to a chronic extent even you had to be terminally ill with internet brain to understand some of these bro is just saying you if you get these you are a loser you just like us so real simple guess the NBA team by these pictures first team up who is this team hold on okay one on donovan to the top left is that Lizzo or am I think that is Lizzo no is that Lizzo I think so That is Lizzo. Okay. Nice. Okay. Let's see. Let's see.

So we got Lizzo. We got a rookie. Lizzie's not the point. Don't get to. Okay. Lizzo's on. She's on. She's a wing.

I mean, listen. Listen, she's a starter. So she kind of is the point. You know what I'm saying? We might have to figure out who that is. Who is that at the,

who's a point guard right now that I'm looking at? That's a, that's, no, no, James St. Patrick. Someone from Hardman from power himself. Yeah, from power or lane or whatever.

I don't watch that. Show, show some respect. Show some respect, please. Okay. At center, we got a bunch of breaks, it looks like. Bricks, blocks. What's what are you looking at? Those are blocks.

Breaks, blocks, same shit. Oh, okay. So it has to be someone who's an elite shot blocker. Gotcha. There you go. Makes sense. I like that. And then I see the gears turning.

Okay. So you have a shot blocker at the five. You have somebody with T-Rex arms at the, at the one, at the two at the three. It's a three. Oh, okay, it started to click in my head. It started to click in my head. So, for the point guard, what is he known for? So in the show, in the show, he's a club owner, but he's really like this, like, drug dealer, you know.

Do we fuck with guns? Oh, 100%. Tom are right in the Memphis Grizzies. I got it. Oh, my goodness. This is the Memphis Grizzlies. That picture of Lizzo's for the green hair because Marcus Smart's. Okay, so who is the rookie, though?

Like, that kind of throws me off. Vince Williams or some shit? Vince Williams. Oh. Yeah. Got the green hair from Lizzo, the T-Rex arms. It's like, crat-ta-ta-ta-ta from John Morant. Yeah.

The T-Rex arms goes without being said. We all know who that is. There's only one in B player like that. Yep. That was a giveaway. Okay, next team. That's obviously the Grizzlies. Who is this team?

Okay. All right, who is that? Is that a little? Those chopsticks or drumsticks at the five? There's chopsticks. Okay. Chopsticks, okay. Exactly.

Who's Kaiser at right now? That's the point guard. Someone with dreads. We'll work around that one. So the wings are what's really interesting for me. I think number four is quite telling, though, as well. The four is quite telling he's a baby. Is it?

Listen, is the baby to be soft. Is he, is he a, baby, or did he just have a baby? Oh. Right? What level are we going with this? There's a lot of different. Big brain activities.

There's a lot of different ways. So, the wings. That's what's confusing. This is crazy, listen, I can't say who it is, but I'm more than we're going to come back to that. Anyways, so the three, hey Arnold. Yeah. With a flat top?

Who is that? I've seen this meme before. I can't place it right now, though. Mm-hmm. Yeah, same. Let's see. It's very interesting. And who is that white man looking at me like that?

What shows you from? That's Brian Crescent. That's Walter White. Breaking back. I've seen all the memes, but it's a whole lot going on right there. Could I say, I don't know? Could this be the Philadelphia for 76ers? No.

Why would Jell and B'd be Chast? That's literally like. Tyrese, that's how that's what matches up in my head. Who's another. Wait. Wait. Wait. Things.

Gears and a movie. Okay. Uh-oh. We need somebody who's bald in the lineup. Oh. Let's see. Maybe we need somebody who's bald. Somebody who's known for having a flat top, either now or formerly.

The baby. The baby, again, they are not a baby. Maybe they just have one. and they're known for being, you know, a father in this league. And then the point guard, somebody with that amount of, or that type, that hairstyle, is this, is this the Boston Celtics? This is the Boston Celtics and eternally young Jason Tatum, 19 forever. There we go.

Jason Tatum. And then Chris, that was hilarious to put, not going to lie to you for sure. KB is tall and skinny. It looked like chopsticks. Yeah. Derek White, the best bolder in the league, of course. Shamed into baldness. By the way.

Okay. Next up. We got that. Who is this team? What the? Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis, bro. So someone who's aggressive, probably be tackling people.

Okay, cool. Is that a creeper? That's a creeper. I haven't seen. seen once it's like 2013. Yes, you have if you watch the playoffs. Oh, okay. That's a telling, that's a very telling note right there.

There's one picture that should let you know with this entire team is like, look who's at the center position. Look at, look at that white man who thinks that he's a black man. Who does that remind you of? Who is that moment? Oh. Come on. Oh, the creeper.

There we go. There we go. This is the Oklahoma City Thunder. Yeah. The creeper is Josh Giddy. Damn and the dog is J-dub. I get it. We got the barker.

Louie put in false in hell. Oh, my God. Exactly. You got the linebacker. Yes. There we go. That is full package. Yeah.

There are guys. Okay, see Thunder. The creeper. I always, oh my God, bro. That is hilarious. Next one. Who is this team? Hmm.

Glazed donut. Glazed donut. So to me it sounds like people love him. Maybe a little bit too much. Okay. Okay. Somebody being glazed. Okay.

We have, we have Hello Kitty. Kevin Durant. What's that at the top? What is that? They're just an old man. It's an old man. It's an old smart man. He knows exactly what he's doing.

He has a laptop on his. desks, the glasses. He looks like he's just like very textbook. Not going to lie to you. But then we have like, like, let's get. Yeah, that's French bread. Okay. French, French bread. And if you think about the most glazed player in the league right now, it has to be Anthony Edwards. This has to be the Minnesota. He don't be glazed enough to me, man, but I'll let you rock. Because Kevin Durant. Oh my God. Because Kevin Durant, listen, the sons have Kevin Durant. They have Jada McDaniels. right this is the middle center of timber woos precisely in your bag there we go one right next one who is this team they got a snitch liar liar we are we already

talk liar liar wait so who's a cowboy hat though is it just like obvious no this is elite this is elite and who's the ice cream cone as well that throws me off I don't know. You tell me. Ice cream. Ice cream cone. What if they're just a cone? Oh.

Just a cone on like defense. Yeah. What if they're just bat on defense? Yeah. The unibrow in the snitch tells it all though. And the liar, liar is like, I, we gotcha, buddy. This is led by the greatest liar that we've ever seen in lying history and also NBA history. That is LeBron James.

The unibrow is AD. This is easily the Los Angeles Lakers, bro. This is Los Angeles Lakers. We got Hillbilly Jesus at the shooting guard This is Los Angeles Lakers Yeah Wait is that his actual nickname No it's Hillbilly Kobe's what they call him

Oh okay I like Hillbilly Jesus better though There you go We got the Los Angeles Lakers Next one Who is this team Hatha ass is that what I see This is elite

Oh shit it's Gloria This is fire I'm not wasting any wait no break it down for me donovan why is it fired because i'm still a little bit lost if listen if you know you know right i'm not trying to blow up anybody's spot all right who is everybody hates chris who is that and why is there a football player on my screen they literally they literally shared the same name at the three who crazy who exactly chris who oh wait i don't trust you though because what why the fuck am i looking at the apple tower

that. Don't want to be sold. I just need explain. Don't worry. Don't worry about that. Listen, once again, I'm not trying to blow up anybody's spot. I'm not trying to beat DeAngelo Russell, right? Whatever you're doing on the low, you got listen, listen, sometimes you need to make calls, right? It gets lonely out there in Milwaukee. You got

to do what you got to do. But Dane, I see you with Glow. This is the Milwaukee Ducks. No! You think this is the Milwaukee Bucks? We got Yonis's big fullback dive ass and power forward. Okay, got you. Running dunk, man. That's hilarious. We got belt to ass at shooting guard, Pat, Bev.

Wait, why would Brooke Lopez the, the Eiffel Tower? Tall, he's a tower. Yeah. I should have been Splash Mountain. Yeah. That'd have been hilarious. There you go. I think that's the last one.

No, the creeper thing has me rolling. I'm going to be thinking about that. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to do a tier list, you know, T3 staple. we're going to do a tier list of the best players of the 2010s so I got 15 players for you guys I think and you know we'll put my tier list based on

how great they were in the 2010s vibes that's what we're doing it we're doing this off of vibes no you're doing off of vibes you know what this is vibes matter of course but it ain't everything in these types of conversations

listen when we get to John Wall prepare to argue if it's one thing Donovan's going to do it's going to turn into a popularity contest 100% are you when it comes to don't worry, you're going to throw up gang signs and be like, that's fine. Every conversation gets hijacked, well, but yeah, he's not, no aura. He's not likeable.

I'm sorry. I was there. Real simple. Let's put the best players of the 2010s into a tier list. First off, obviously we got LeBron and Curry next year, right? Easily, easily. They're the two best players in the air, in my opinion. Exactly.

Faces of a generation. You don't even got to throw in my opinion. They're clearly the guys the 2010s. They're to define. characters of this story. Absolutely. After that, Kevin Durant, also belonging an S-tier?

I think so. The Hater of me wants to put him in A-tier. That'd be some head in that shit. He's an S-tier. Put him there. Whatever. You want an MVP. Clearly in the same upper echelon

of the top three players of the generation. You know, however you feel about his resume or accomplishments, we know he's Kevin Durant. Exactly. Facts. Yeah, he's S-tier. what do you want to do with carmello anthony oh he's not s can be a can't be a not be a not

he can't be a not enough personal success or accolades or awards hasn't seen any winning at all nothing but like disappointment filled throughout his entire career in the 2010s he can't be a i think donovan can't even vouch for a no argument for it donovan as the resident Carmelo lover he's a bag chaser so like that comes with tradeoffs you got your bag but

I will not turn down $28 million as well I don't blame you Carmelo exactly if you were a professional basketball player and I said would you rather $30 million a year or being a level in a TD3 tier list in 10 years

I think I might pick $30 million a year so okay so B2 he made his choice he's living with it. I'm putting them in B. Tearless whole weight, though, but I'll let you rock.

Where we go to Marcus Cousins? Lower than mellow, probably. Yeah, probably C. Injuries got to him. He never really was able to be in like a true, like, winning situation. He might be, to be honest with you. At least like at his, at his peak. By the time he like, you know, by the time he got to the Warriors and the bucks and all that,

he was cooked, right? Those years don't matter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I could see D. I mean, listen, we're comparing him to the other best players generation, so these are all great.

Maybe, D, listen, he didn't do any winning, got cooked early, like you said, and when he was at his peak, it was, he was the best center in the league, but in the era with the worst center play you've ever seen. His competition, no, say their names. It was Roy Hibbert, great dude,

but, you know, doesn't belong to being the best center's conversations at all. DeAndre Jordan, great player, of course, still playing today, but that was his competition. Prime Clint Capella. Talk about Al Horford. All right.

That was his competition. Hey, to 2017 Al Horford was a problem. He was nice. Who you telling? Well, no, I guess we can go, we can go D for a boogie, but we might move him up to see you later on, depending on how it shakes out.

Yeah. Kyrie Irving. I have one of the biggest moments. How are the biggest moments of the decade individually as a not one option but you know best two option

we've seen maybe in this generation okay so I don't so if we go in the 2010s the first four years of the decade or I guess three years because he was drafted

in 2011 the first half of the 2010s out the window like he's cool but that's just highlight that's just highlight tape

Kyrie he has two years he was he was a rich man Jordan Pool exactly he has the years with Bronn

they get the championship after that finishes the decade, setting teams on fire, left and right. So I don't think that he can be S-tier. If you want to say, if you want to say a-tier just because of that moment, I guess, but I'll probably go beat.

Yeah, I think there's a really low lows, but the highs make him neutral B-tier. Yeah. I agree. Now, if he just showed someone has highlight tape against Brandon Knight

and also the 2016 finals, You can convince me S. But sadly, those other years exist. Yeah, he showed him the Rising Stars game that he was in, then all of a sudden we're looking at an S to your talent. I might think he didn't go. All right, next up, Christopher Emmanuel Paul.

Who. Lob City was a moment. A lot of choking moments, but it was a moment. Lob City was a moment. What he did with the Houston Rockets back in, what, 2018, really challenging the Warriors? That's a high, high. an accomplice within itself, to be honest with you.

Can he drop like 40 and 10 in a pivotal game against him, too? He was great in 2018. Like, it's a tragedy. He is hamstring, ruined that team's title chances, but he was legitimately great that year. We'll go. Yeah. But can you put him above Kyrie? He's a better player than Kyrie was leading a team better, but doesn't have a chip.

Do you have to have a chip to be eight here? I think because of the consistency that he showed of just, like, elevating any area that he touches, I personally feel like he belongs. is in a yeah I'm with that yeah it's very he's like he's very clearly a better player than kairie so I'm putting him in it and that's gonna piss some people off I know all of the young fans I'll say that love kairi I know he's the most skilled player of all time whatever if you want to win basketball games and you have to pick one player to lead your team to you know start from scratch you're gonna pick chris paul he consistently gets you in the

playoffs consistently builds productive offenses it's easily Chris ball exactly he never misses Damien Lillard interesting incredibly talented accolades in the 2010s a cool couple cool game winning shots and a rookie of the year

he's B tier and one beard grown he's B tier okay now I'm starting to think we're doing a thing that Isaac was saying like we are two we should utilize the spaces is Damilard the same tier as Carmelo Anthony

the exact same I was the 60s like the same guy they are the same guy though they are the exact same they are they are both high volume scores who like had one run to the Western Conference finals

and then a lot of you know disappointing losing years on a team that wasn't really going anywhere yeah they are the same exact player they both have great individual production that went nowhere fast for a variety of reasons

mostly their supporting talent around them especially in Damien Lawler's case you know I think there's but we can nitpick flaws and Carmelo again all we want but that's not either here and over there but either way they couldn't really accomplish anything

despite their immense talent Bebe seems fair who was the better player oh boy here we go that's a conversation for another day let's give to this one it's Demi and Lillard I think we should drop Carmelo

to be honest with you we asked modest Boozellis it's obviously Carmelo five low score whatever five level score generational dimension breaking yeah I can't I can't argue that

exactly we should circle back we're not we're not gonna circle back we're not circling back to that cut the corporate talk we're done I've had enough Carmelo Anthony debates with Donovan in my day I've had enough

Kawhi Leonard he gets eight here he has listen he has two finals MVP's he led he led the Raptors to a championship right he should he be S I was gonna say like maybe

why not S stop Yeah, like two finalist MVP's in a decade? Who else has that besides the guys in S? Guys. Yeah. Why is that crazy? His biggest injury issues happened

after that, right? In the Clippers, which was mostly failure, that's the 2020s. He missed, no, he missed a full year in San Antonio,

right? Yeah, he played seven more. Like, one missed the year. Katie missed a year. He missed it. Well,

Katie's missed year was in 2020. It was like, it was half and half. But anyways, He missed a year where he heard his foot, too. Some happened. But Kauai comes in, Kauai comes in, even in 2014, whenever he gets the finals MVP, he still

wasn't Kauai Leonard. Like, he was a very good player. And they were doing the thing where whoever Koholabran to 33 instead of 35 gets the final's MVP. So there's that. And then it still takes like a year and a half before he becomes Kauai Leonard and this like 26 point per game score. there's a very, very short period

out of the entire decade of the 2010s that he is this like as, you know, S-tier Apex Predator he's A-tier with Chris Paul. Well, so it's 2016, 17, he misses 18, the 19 and 20 is when he's a true S-tier level of talent. It's four years of being as dominant

as anybody enough. Like, not everybody's going to have one through all 10 years of it being elite, but for what he did in that small time span, I feel like there's an argument. for the other three guys it's leader of a dynasty are arguably the greatest player of all time and then secondary piece to that dynasty I don't like they also have the longevity while also being at one point if you want to tuck in longevity to that I can 100% agree with that argument okay well then can Chris Paul be in the same tier as Kwai Leonard that sounds disgusting

but I think they are on the same tier for different reasons like they both have their own strengths within their arguments. But it does feel disgusting. He is crazy. Like, having one ship, one crazy run matters a lot. I understand that.

But if it, but like he's not, the other three guys are the standard for the entire generation that I just don't think that Kauai was for as long as you need to be to be on that top, top level. You're right. Whenever people talk to you about this generation, this era,

people are immediately talking about Steph K. and lebron like there's a reason why kawai is not brought up as much is because there's not as the level of consistency of just being that dude apex further like you said and just dominant isn't there it's you have your blips through the timeline and i think that's fair to put him in a tier yeah all right let's keep moving john wall listen put him with his kentucky brother d tier d rc probably in c to be honest with you because he did have that moment against the boston the Celtics took out of his jersey in what was yon or a bunch of white people in the first round in the second yeah it was impressive no no i mean that's more that's bigger moments than

boogie ever had in the playoffs exactly and i'm not i'm not putting anybody i okay listen it's it's c tier but like what else it's i'm not gonna go crazy about it but see dear i guess yeah c t's yeah i mean joe wall was great you know high peak he can't be on the same tier as The Marcus Cousins, that should be clear. He cannot be on the same. He can. But injuries ruin both of them in the latter half. I feel like he would have had more winning.

But maybe it's not his fault. Maybe the teams around Bougy weren't quite good enough. But I feel like John Wall's peaks contributing to winning were a little bit better than Buggies. But just a little bit, you know, just for C tier. We're not getting crazy with it or anything. Yeah. He got it.

DeMard Rosen. Put him in C tier as well, I guess. That is absolutely C tier. This is the most average star player you can imagine. And I say that because star player, he's still a star, right? So he's still very impressive. But in the hierarchy of the top players in the league, DeMarie Rosen's right there in the middle.

Yeah. Now we have to respect his longevity and how long he's been doing it for, especially like how we ascended to all-star level throughout those Toronto years. Very respectable, impressive. But he's never been such an, he never broke the game of bass bar had game-breaking moments, even like mellow, Kyrie, and Dame at that level. So for sure, see. yeah okay

okay Jimmy Butler who okay that's what's hard he he is sending the second half of the decade

he yeah the 6thes had their best year underdwelling beat with him there he turned around the timbrewoles brought them to the finals

I mean brought them to the playoffs after a long drought he can't be beater if we're saying if we're saying of the 2010s he can't be

any higher B is the absolute highest that he can be. For sure. And even then, I think it's a, it's a stretch because the finals runs, all the stuff that we think about Jimmy Butler comes 2020 and later. I agree. And in the beginning part of the decade, he's a 3-D guy who just really working him,

working his way up the depth chart, putting, you know, he's on the ground doing all that stuff. You don't, you don't really get to see Jimmy Butler be Jimmy Butler until, like you said, 2018 and then he gets hurt So I would For the 2010s honestly I would put him in D I was gonna say C

He is still a four time all star Three time all defense 2018 he was on the MVP ballot Even though it was just 10th One of the better two-way players of that generation When he was a little bit younger I feel like C's fair Is there a world where he could be D though

Why would he be D? In just that span yeah He had the Minnesota year took them to the playoffs and then three Chicago All-Star years feels like C to me. Okay, I guess that could be C.

We're just singling out, boogie. Yeah, it sucks. That feels a bit high. We'll reassess at the end. Maybe we'll discuss this C tier a little more. CMB, maybe it might have some movers. Exactly. James Arden.

He can go a tier. Like you, he got it. He got an MVP. He is one of the most, you know, he i don't know i don't know just just put him in there i don't even we know what you're saying like the passing the scoring the combination of that he averts 36 points in a season dog we we understand you can just put him in put him in a tier don't have been so fresh up by james

hard and you can't even get it up he's like letigate this scars he's been through this discourse he's a veteran much too many but yeah but i guess i get it if we're reserving s tier for the truly greatest players of the generation. James Hardin is just right below that. He's good enough to be S tier, but just never got it done like those guys did. Yeah, feels like he belongs in this same range as Kau Islander, for sure. Paul George. A 2018 MVPG.

That was a memory for a lifetime. What he did early in those Indiana days? Good God, bro. Y' guys might want me to shut the hell out because I'll put him in S-tier so fast. Yeah, yeah. Zip it. Are we going B or A, Donovan? as rational adults

I'm thinking B I'm actually thinking A Oh no no no Okay I love him but let's relax James If James Hardin's A Paul George has to be B James Hardin's another level

And Kaua Yeah Yeah You guys are MVP's And finals MVP's Paul George got BB Then do we have to drop Chris Paul Oh my gosh

No CP3 has to stay That's where That's where I was drawing the line Because I was like Yeah Because I was like, listen, Paul George was leading a team to number one seeds. He was leading teams to the conference finals multiple times in, yeah, just one time in Indiana.

But he had a top three MVP finish in OKC. If that's kind of the resume, you can kind of put that up against Chris Paul's resume. And it can kind of be there. Yeah, you're right. Let's make them both be. They both got B. They're both B then. Carmilla, they got a drop too, bro.

What are we talking about? Let me not Let's circle back If Carmelo If Carmelo drops Jimmy Butler has to drop That's all I'm saying If we drop mellow

To C which is absolutely disrespectful Jimmy Butler has to drop Carmell can stay Just because I don't want to get into it Boom Timmy has to drop Russell Westbrook Are we gonna A for Russell Westbrook

Yes we are There you go Put the MVP and A Honestly I think this is very fair The three goats of the generation are S tier the two guys, the three guys below that who are incredibly accomplished in their own right

but don't have the full package A, all the really talented guys that never quite got it done B, besides Kyrie who got it done but also we know what Kyrie did after that and then see the solid stars and then do we just bump Bougie up to see? No

hell no but he's a great player damn that was very impassioned I didn't know you hated Demand no I never hated him but it's like his prime in the 2010s wasn't as impactful. The winning wasn't there.

Obviously, it was out of his hands. But more so how long his prime was, how we got cut off due to those injuries. You know what? Not his fault, but it happened. I think we should put John Wall down to D. I think we put John Wall down to D and it's fair.

There we go. Because John Wall also got ruined by injuries. Then now it feels right. There we go. I like that. Yeah, this feels perfect. I don't know. Anything else we can quibble over it?

Is Chris, is Westbrook really like, Does he deserve to be in A tier Compared to like You don't want to get me going You don't want to get me going For rest of it Okay okay

Next angle Chris Paul Does he really deserve to be in B tier Like I think Yeah yeah I mean if Kauai and James Harder A Chris Paul has to be a level below them I think Wait so I do you actually think that Chris Paul

That Russ should be in B No no no I'm just Now you do You do I know I don't I don't I mean the MVP He's an MVP

If you're in it everybody below him doesn't have an MVP. So I think that that's fair enough to go to A. I bet. If it was just caliber a player, then yes, absolutely. But if we're bringing in a resume plus how good and impactful we think they are, the resume pushes them up a little bit. All right.

Good tearless. Perfect tierless. Here we go. So don't give me a chance to, hey, you know, I'm going to take it on. That's the end of that. Next thing we're going to do. That was a long tier list. Next thing we're going to do

make it funny. We're going to react to some NBA nicknames and I want you guys to rate these nicknames from 1 to 10. Let's do it. Bring it off. We've done it in the past. There's an unlimited amount

of ridiculous nicknames and vassal reference. I got some of those. I got some good ones. Just rate them 1 to 10 and tell me how you think they fit them. First off, DeAndre Jordan being called DeAndre 3000.

Listen, this is a one because it's just disrespectful to the actual Andre 3000. Why? How is it disrespectful? Because it was a great player. It was an all-star. Stop. Wasn't that great of a player?

Stop. To be nicknamed for Andre 3K. This is an amazing nickname just given to a player who, you know. Did he make a first-team all-N-B-A in his career? Once again, in the worst era of centers we've ever seen, the fact that DeAndre Jordan was first-team all-N-Ba, let you know. the state of the league, but I think it's...

But that's a pure nickname. This is a 10. This is a great nickname. That's what I'm saying. It is disrespectful to Andre, but it is kind of cool. So, I'll say 8. Sure. I'll set on 8, too. It's a great nickname. You see the Atlanta M.O. isn't popping out on this one. Just for the record.

Moza Gen Z Atlanta, ATLian. He doesn't know what's actual. What the hell does that mean? He's not listening to Stanconia. a Jews world. Next up. Dominating. What this shit is. Ass.

Because it's not true. So, okay, we'll give it a two for accuracy. But I'm also going to give it a zero for cleverness. This is the laziest pun. Even if he was great, I would still be like, come on. Did he give this thing name to himself? Absolutely. He had to have.

I think he did, which also drops you two points. Did you know he got, did you know he got a tatted on his back, dominating two? It was like, did he really? It would have been terribly. Yeah. Oh, this is a negative five. This is, again, I think he's LeBron? The tattoo is horrendous, bro.

It looks like demons are scratching it to his back. It's terrible. Yeah, negative five, just for that sake, we'll move on. Next one. Cardiac Kemba. This is so hard. This is an iconic nickname This is great

Cardiac Kemba's Immaculate, bro I think Donald just saw the tattoo I did I just looked it up No, he did it That's crazy And the font The font that DeAndre A went with

Is the worst font I've ever seen him on This is awful How do you feel about Cardiac Kempa Oh no I feel Listen, it's a 10 out of 10 He got this in college

And it stayed with him In the lead Like the amount The amount of aura That is with this nickname Oh my goodness Exactly It's just tons of aura.

It just bleeds aura. And it makes sense, too. And it's great because it's not a word you ever hear anybody use. Nobody says cardiac like that. So it's so unique. It's just tough. Yeah. Whenever you do hear, you're like,

something really bad happened. But for Kemba makes sense because when it's sometimes he's guarding you, brother, he'll leave you in that state in condition. Got the blood pumping. Exactly. 10? 10 for sure.

Yeah. There we go. Next one. the big sleep for Tracy McGrady this is trash he looks like he works at an air mattress store what is that I don't know I have no clue what it means

he looks like a manager of like one of those mattress stores right it's like the big sleep nice to meet you what the big sleep sounds like a euphemism for death yeah he for sure owns like a furniture store but this is the big sleep sounds like whenever you explain

to a kid, you got to put a dog down. Damn, that was done. But he's going to take the big sleep. Yo, yeller. Three, I don't know. I don't even understand it. Three. Listen, nobody knows what it means

and it's not provocative. Zero. It doesn't keep nobody going. It moves nobody, bro. On to the next one. Lord of the Rings for Kobe Bryant. This is hard as hell. This is a 10.

This is an easy 10. This is tough. I like that. Lord of the rings makes, I don't know. That's like fearful. That feels like the almighty right there. Like Lord of the wings, rings what? That's crazy.

Some game of zone shit right there. Yeah. Almighty. He said, God. You're glazing, but you're a lot to glaze them, so I'll let it go. It's Kobe. What do you want me to do, man?

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, you got to let the Kobe glaze live. Exactly. It's almighty. Yeah, listen, Kobe has a lot of great nicknames. This is one of them. I agree.

Next one. Shack Daddy. Yeah, he gave this to himself. So whatever it is. Absolutely. Again, minus two. This is also probably like a bottom 10 nickname that Shack has for himself. So I'll say about a four.

I can just imagine him on his podcasts. Call me Shack Daddy. Yeah. Shut up. Get out of here. He has so many. He has so many better nicknames, too. He had a impression in the mirror

every morning, I can tell. That was too good. He makes for the Shack a lot. So, yeah. He cracks a fucking goofball. Too what I said. We have a name like the big diesel next to it.

This looks terrible. Shack Daddy's gross. Yeah, that's just gross. Get out of my face. Next one. The Prince of Pizza for Charles Barkley. This is, this is, elite just because it's mean.

If you look at his balance of reference, he has a laundry list of fat jokes on there. There's so many. Yeah, I'm going on. I like this. This is funny. It's creative. Listen, we know he's a round mound or rebound. The Prince of Pizza's right below that.

Yeah, I love Prince of Pizza, bro. It just flows off the tongue really well. I love a good alliteration. Exactly. It's funny. It flows. It's fitting. It might be a 10. Might be the best nickname we saw so far. I agree.

Why not give it a 10? 10. There we go. Okay. I think is that the last one? I got one more, I think. Next up. Oh, no, that's the last one.

There we go. That's the end of our nickname section. I love nicknames. They're so ridiculous. Prince of pizza. Next thing we're going to do, you know, I saw this viral tweet where somebody posted a screenshot of one of the Warriors teams with Boogie and the Lakers team that had a bunch of washed up stars.

And they were like, who's going to win this series? if everybody was in their prime. So I think we're going to do a segment around that. I have a few matches for you guys. And real simple, let me know which team would win a seven-game series if every single player was in their prime, peak version of themselves.

Okay, I like this. I like this. I love a good hypothetical. Let's do it. First off, the 2018 Warriors and the 2022 Lakers. Now the, that Warriors team is already the greatest team of all time and they're already on their prime. Now you just add,

2016 15 DeMarcus cousins on that list That's so hard They would be as terrifying as we all thought They'd be whenever they signed him They signed him in the entire NBA world Was like oh my God they did it again I remember

Didn't end up mattering Yeah But just imagine that fear you had And think about it in reality Ah Something in me wants to go It sounds like a nightmare Yeah I say I'll have to say

We have Prime Dwight Howard Prime Camelo Anthony Prime Rondo A.D. LeBron and Russ It's clearly them I think they might be the shit out of them Prime Russ, Mello and Dwight,

that is, bro, I don't know who can go through that team. You might have Prime Russ and Prime Camelo coming off the bench.

Wow. That's absurd. Wow. Yeah. Listen, that's your 6 and 7th man. Draymond, you're going to be running,

scrambling, trying to do everything on defense, but it's not going to work. It's not going to work. Prime Dwight is putting buggy in a casket. Yeah, then I've seen it.

It's the Lakers. But who's guarding KD, though? But at the same time I'm LeBron James Yeah They'll neutralize each other Yeah you're right Melo might be stuck in them

I think stylistically Like the war is still might have It's so easy to envision the war is stylistically I have a much easier time Going up against each other But I still might They definitely fit better They definitely fit better

But that's just the sheer amount of Hall of Famers is ridiculous on this Lakers team Yeah it is it's tough it's tough just because of how well the warriors fit together plus the demarcus cousins in that team too i might leave the wakers though just to trust the athletic trio of prime russe prime brawn and prime dwight and prime ad he was moving like a gazelle like 2018 2019 AD in this list too who the fuck is stopping at you're right i forget about prime AD shit 2020 AD whenever he had a jumper

he's ridiculous oh my god yeah I forget about 2020 AD. Let's lean the Lakers away for sure. A.D. and Dwight alone is a ridiculous defensive centerpiece. Who can they knock yard? You're right. Yeah, we're going to Lakers. Cudson is seeing fits. Oh my God.

All right, next one. We have this year's Clippers and the 2018 Cavs. Who? The 2018 calves, we probably got Derek Rose, Dwayne Wade, LeBron, Kevin Love, Tristan Thompson.

Is the 18 caps? Like, You also have one of the 10 best shoes of all time in Kyle Corcor. Well, you don't think Prime James Hardin with Kauai and Paul George moves you with Prime MVP Russell Westbrook? You're right. Prime MVP Derrows were prime healthy knees, Dwayne Wade? Yeah, I, and Prime LaBron. Yeah, I'm taking the 18 caps. Okay.

And you got hell of spacing. Okay. You got Prime blubber boy Kevin Love as well. He was different in Minnesota. He really was. He was a prime. Prime Bossman 99? Yeah.

Oh, now we're cooking. That's the X factor. Channing Frye back in this Phoenix Suns days? Now, you're not going crazy. Are we sleeping on Prime Bones Highland on the other side? What is Prime Bowles Highland? It's probably his, his, it's probably his like, Rickettsite videos just out in the park.

Okay, we'll go 2018 Cavs. That, listen, it's three MVPs. It's hard to beat. I agree. I love how no one mentioned Isaiah Thomas. side in the finals MVP, so I don't know. No, no, we don't care about that. That thing would be filthy, but the clippers would be nasty.

I don't even, I don't even know if I actually believe this. Let's not believe it. Next one. We have the 2013 Lakers and the 2021 Nets. Listen, I'm not trying, listen. The Nets would have smoked this team. Really? They would have smoked, though.

So you think even if it's 26-year-old Kobe and young Steve Nash, that wouldn't change it? I think the fact that, damn, I think the fact that they would also have prime Lamarcus Aldridge and prime Blake Griffin. Blake Griffin's a crazy X-Factor. Like those two, those two coming off the bench would be crazy. And then scoring MVP James Hardin, peak Kevin Durant, Kyrie at his best. Like, I think Kyrie would make Steve Nash not want to play basketball. Yeah, but I think defense.

They have like real issues on that front because Lamarcus is not providing much deterrence at all Yeah, but the shot making is crazy compared to that isn't the war the Lakers are still the Lakers are still playing 2000s basketball The Nets are in the modern NBA and they're splashing threes they're gonna be running up and down the court with math on their side I don't know it might be the Nets I think I'm taking the Nets I think I like the way Kobe Dwight and and steve Nash together in their primes is They all fit so perfectly Yeah, exactly The fit is just so much better And so much smoother

With Lakers in their prime And I have no defense Look, I hate the Nets Right But we can all agree That for those eight games When these guys were playing together

We're like, yeah This might be one of the best teams We've ever seen Like they were No, no, I'm going Lakers I'm going Lakers They were legitimately unstoppable I'm going Lakers

I think the defense would be stifling I think it would look like Timberwolves versus Nuggets where this huge, gigantic, strong-ass team just muffles them. I'm going Lakers. Yeah, Dwight and Pau is a great matchup for that Lamarcus Alders and Blake Griffin matchup as well. I'm going next.

The defense might make me lean the Lakers overall. We can bench, pal, and go small. We had that versatility, and we still got Dwight, Metta, and Kobe on the perimeter. That's an elite defense. Oh, Meta going to break some knees and ears. I like him on my team. James Hars is not going to like that night. not again after what he did to him

when he was in O KC Oh yeah Elbows are being thrown again Yeah Wow okay I was into that I forgot about that Me too

Can you imagine If someone Draymond did that To someone So violent Today That's crazy Nuts

Next thing we got We're gonna do deal Or no deal A recurring series we do This one is gonna be Ron Donovan Mitchell Because you know Caves have a lot of drama brewing

Because he don't want to be there That's why What? Who don't want to be in Cleveland? We'll see where it goes But somebody's leaving that team And he's the most attractive trade asset Everyone's been coveting him for years now

So I'm going to give you guys Some potential trade packages Do you let me know if you're the Cavs If it's a deal or no deal All right, Ben So put my GM suit on If you would take this First deal

Would you trade Donovan Mitchell For Doyen Phinney Smith Dennis Schroeder Cam Thomas And three first-on picks No deal No deal. No deal.

No deal. This feels like a slightly better version of what Kyrie was traded for. And that was a steal from the Mavericks. I need at least one player, at least one young player in this trade that I think can be something. I think how many times is Dorian Fiddy Smith going to get traded for a 6-2 All-Star Point Guard? The most of the many times is needed. Now, if this. trade was like consolidated and instead of all those random players give me like

macaul bridges then i heavily consider it and i might actually do it but why would the brooklyn nuts want to go ahead and do that it kind of defeats the purpose so i'm gonna say no from the calves i'm listening you get a lot of picks in the door you do get a lot of picks but they're also not that good of picks exactly but well they they have some phoenix sun's picks don't they? Maybe. If we can get those, if we can get those,

then maybe we're cooking. But I need three unprotected first round picks. Also, you need a really promising young player, too. Sorry to break the news, but campaign, I said campaign.

Cam Thomas is like, not a super promising young player. Like, you know what he is. Yeah. Cam Thomas is going to be real fun to watch. Not particularly effective next to Darius Garland. No deal.

He'll be a great six-man, though, so no deal, regardless. Next trade. we got Austin Reeves Rui Hachimura and three first round picks man get off of my phone stop playing with my phone

stop it I have caller ID I know you're prank calling me 9-1-1 I want to call for fucking fraud because this is ridiculous it's coming straight out of L.A you see that dials up Rob Link is calling you says scam likely exactly

no no I'm not I'm not doing this deal I'm not doing Austin Reeves and Dair is gone into the future We're doing this. We're sending Donald Mitchell to the Lakers. We're forming a big three. You're win-win for everybody. You don't believe that.

And you're getting fired from the general manager office. Get out of here. Fine, no deal. I guess someone I'm ruled. God damn it. Next one. Tyler Hero, Nicole Iovitch, and two first-on picks. Damn.

Donald Mitchell really untouchable? My bad, three. Tyler Hero, Nicole Yovitch, and three first-on picks. This is even worse than what the Well, let me not be disrespectful to Tyler Hero It's better than what the Nets had to offer But it's still not moving me much I need at least four for strong picks

Okay let's make it four If it's four do you do it I can't even offer four I don't even know I don't know I can't Okay let's throw Jaime Hawkes in there Then do you do it Yes I will

We got a deal Donald and Mitchell You are a member of the Miami Heat We finally got But again, I need Hakez, Hiro, Yovic, and three first-on picks, and then I'll give you D. Mitch. There we go. Donovan Mitchell, welcome to the Miami Heat. We're calling it now. I don't feel good about it, but whatever. I think that's the last one. I think only had three. Oh, no, one more. One more. Donovan Mitchell for Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance, and one first-round pick.

Once again. You get a star back. I like this. Stop playing on my phone. Stop playing on my phone. You get a star that fits next to Garland, fits next to Mowgli. Don't hang up just yet, because Larry Nance, bringing him back in Cleveland would be nice and helpful. Brandy Ingram would genuinely be a great fit

alongside Darius Garland. You entertain that trade. I think we coerced them out of another pick, maybe too, because they got a hell of it. I think I take this trade. Come on now. Let's take this trade. What do you hate about it?

See, to say something. No. Donnell, so what's out already, you can give me another extra pick. I'll do it. First of all,

the usage of the term star is extremely loose here. I just, I just want to say that. Did he not make an all-star game? That does not mean he's a star. What? Okay,

now they're here or not there. That's the first thing. Secondly, Brandon Ingram, I think is a, like, cleared, like, downgrade from, from D Mitch.

I don't think that he is, I think he's good, but I don't think that Brandon Ingram is ever going to be a guy that you can legitimately look at him as being like the second best player on a championship team. And so for that reason, I'm going to say no. Tough. How do we have to sweeten this to make you say yes? Throwing another pick. Maybe two. Two picks.

They have a lot of picks. They got a lot of picks. What if it's three first on picks and Brandon Ingram? Heartbeat. Taking it. I'm taking the trade faster than I can speak. If you add, so if you add a first-round pick, take Larry Nance out and then swap B.I for Zion, we can get this deal done.

Oh, my God. You're sure you would love to get Zion back. Oh, my God. You're a biggest scam than Rob Polinka. Shut up. No deal for this one, I guess. Last thing we do before we get out of here. We are going to do a blind ranking of NBA coaches.

Okay. Let's do it So we've done a lot of blind rankings in the past This time We have done one of coaches I don't think So we'll see how you guys About these guys

And how they rank amongst their peers Okay So real simple For those who don't know Blind ranking is I have five names They have to rank them One to five

Without knowing who comes next Let's go First name Steve Kerr I don't He's a great coach Overall A lot of Roy's fans hate him

But I One thing I really do hate About him Is his ability to grow young talent and develop young talent it's trash so i might put him at three maybe four i agree i think three is a perfect place for steve cur um yeah every every time every time people talk about

steve care it's always in the light of like ceo type he's so great at managing personalities but whenever we talk about exes and those he's never in like the top three he built the best offense we've seen in the modern NBA people are so harsh on him he's a great coach exactly he's not he's not he's not one and i think that there are better coaches on this list okay and i think that the way that you make this list there's going to be another better coach this yeah darvin ham oh yeah he's probably five for sure maybe four if we're being nice if you are unemployed you're at the back of the list that's a fair way he's actually not an NBA coach right now I put him at five.

Listen, that's the rule I understand. Tailu. He might be number one depending. He should be number one unless there's one other coach on this list. Yeah. I feel comfortable with him either one or two, though. Which way you want to go?

You want to take the wrist? Make a number one? Let's put him number two. I feel comfortable with number two. We'll go. We'll go two. Hmm. Okay.

Joe Missoula. four you got one and four available four he's not better than i'd rather have steve car as my head coach than joe mazua for sure i agree with that as well yeah i jill's just not as proven okay i yeah if yeah if you want to go with that he's not as proven and he hasn't done anything mystical with the boston siltics offense or defense just yet yeah his biggest contribution is like hey jason tatum three every time yeah it's like nice you know

oh you missed another one exactly here's two more for you yeah last one last one

your number two spot is Greg Popovich oh no no we put Popovich at one he's one yeah because we put Tyloo at two so okay I like that last one in number one spot

is Greg Popovich you know what legacy play you got that pop? Yeah. If we're looking at reality, post-Kauai, I simply cannot see.

Exactly. Exactly. But shout them out. Shout out the goat. Exactly. And it doesn't even matter. Yeah, man. And shout out this pod.

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