The Deep 3 Podcast - We Made 10 Bold NBA Predictions For 2025 | TD3 Live

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

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We are alive. Donovan's over here giggling, distracting me. Y'all, they were giggling about that sound they're making for like a minute before I started the street. It's an elite sound. It's an elite sound. Hold on. Y'all keep yapping.

My headphones are tripping right now. I need to reconnect me. And it was funny. The first comment I see, I open the stream. The first thing I see is bold prediction, Donovan's going to lag again. And of course, as soon as they say that, Mo has the issue. It's on Mo this time. Not Donovan.

Mo can't hear shit. Look at this bozo. You can't even hear us. Let's just say mean things. It's like hats to orange. Ugh. Things are for purpose. You guys,

he got an AirPods in the back of a truck. Welcome back. Everybody has coming to the stream. Currently, they call Moa Bum. Mo's having audio issues. Look at this, Bozo. We can't hear anything.

We're shout out of everybody that's here. We appreciate y'all coming through, start of the stream, bright and early. As you got to see by the title, today we're making bold predictions for 2025. You know, it's the first week of the season for about two or three games into the season for everybody.

We're going to just make some out-there predictions but what we think is going to happen the rest of this year. Mm-hmm. And Moe still can't hear. Look at a tweak. He should have figured it out. He said, Oh, God.

Let me go again. You can't hear anything. It's so funny. I think we should just hear at BOMO watch. Chat, I want you guys to put an over under a hundred

a hundred hundred more minutes until you can hear us. Let me text. I'll leave and redo it. He's just putting his hands up. That was like two, three, 18.5 minutes.

So he looks like an old person trying to work the internet Oh, he looks geriatric as hell All right, let's see y'all He left the streamlapse call Let's see what happens when he comes back in If it works at night I think it's honestly really funny If it takes him like 30 minutes

And we're just sitting here While he tries to figure it out That would be that would be great This happened How's y'all day going chat The news of the day News of the week I was trying to fix the Zoom call

The Rats 8 is Bluetooth Oh my God Last comment's creepy What have y'all been on man What's what's today Drop in the chat What have y'all been doing today I'm pretty good

Wise Moe so late Time to hang it up Mo Oh he's back Can you hear us Mo All right who was talking shit You got the wrong mic connected guys oh shit look at you oh look at you there's always something it's the way life goes

there we go there we go we got it y'all if you're over under the chat if you said two minutes you were correct it took them two minutes to get back in oh there was like a betting odds going on yeah we're taking bets on the overrunner you guys you guys are addicts bro what's wrong with you guys bedding odds is insane while I'm going through like chew duress I've read today

bets will be made oh my dad today Am I the only wholesome person in here? I don't get, I don't bet. Don't do no gambling. He says that down because we don't got our promo code to promote. Exactly. All right, man.

Shout to everybody that's here. Shout to everybody that waited the three minutes for Mo to get his audio situated. We're back, man, ready to go through the news stories of the week. And they give you guys our bold predictions for the rest of 2025. Bull predictions. Let's do it. Let's start with the most pressing story of the day. the most interesting story

Shaq and Dwight Howard are going at it again Oh my gosh Like peanut butter and jelly Yep Oh my God Dwight went on a podcast And he said something

On the lines of I wish Shaq Stop being mean to me It's getting old So Shaq added him on Twitter He said At Dwight Howard The fact you think I care

about you was funny But I won't ever bring your name up again Sensitive big man A joke Will ever say your name Ever again Have a great day And now you have been deleted

have a great day hashtag i never cared hashtag trust me there's a bunch of other hashtag that are covered up right here but there's like six hashtags deep real old man shit how did y'all feel reading this hey have a good day i don't care about you i'm mad and you know my friend anymore don't come to my house we're done this whole cron this is like a 10 year old beef and it's so funny that like... I don't care. I think it's hilarious because we talk about it several times

every time Shaq touches the mic he's like, by the way, did you know I hate Dwight Howard? Yeah. I know as a... I think in some podcast episode, maybe it was like last month or two months ago.

Dwight was like, all right, me and you, Shaq, let's go ahead and have a boxing competition. One-on-one, six rounds, five rounds or whatever it is. Shaq can be... I don't think Shaq responded or he said no. It would be hilarious

to it was a thing, though. Honestly, that's the only way that I would actually care about this situation at this point is if is if they fought do i how do i how like at least 15 years younger than shack you have the age advantage why are you not eating this old man up like you like you are still actually in basketball playing shape you who's over there in taiwan doing your thing why do you not run up on you if you truly run up on him run up on shekel new you know what he's going to be every Tuesday and Thursday.

He's going to get crazy. Do it. Or else I don't care to see it on my timeline. World Star or what? God damn. Why don't you harm this elderly man? All right, man. Since we've been gone,

honestly, I think it was like a two days after our last stream. The Jimmy Butler situation escalated. On January 3rd, they suspended him for seven games. And essentially when they did this, Pat Riley was like, so be it I guess I'll trade you

because Jimmy made a difficult days after Pat Riley came out and said we are not trading him seems like he's giving in and they're actively shopping him how you felt about this whole Jimmy Butler debacle over last week

listen man if you're not going to go upstairs and run up on Pat Riley then what are you going to do? That's just the answer to everything find the nearest old man that you don't fuck with right now and beat his fucking ass

bro he's like 80 one push one something and it's over. Everybody's so principled until it's time to throw hands. Let me see what your principals stand on. No, but like, but honestly, like I don't. I don't know. All of it is just messy and it's just,

it's kind of sad to see because they felt like they would actually, like this entire marriage and error should have ended properly, but it's gone in a completely different direction. And I'm not, I'm not happy about it. It's just not cool to see like, another heat era go down in flames because pat riley and whatever star that they have are you know at at odds it's it's not cool in my view yes i mean i guess if i cared about the mammy heat

and i cared about their fans feelings i would agree personally i think it's cinema and i love drama so i think the the bubble created by jimmy butler's unstoppable force of being unhappy and Pat Riley's immovable object of making stars unhappy this is the only way to go in all the multiverse this is the only outcome that could have happened

is that could end it poorly I'm just glad it's happening at a point where we might get a missus and trade because I want to see something happening because I hate watching the Miami Heat I'm very okay

with this version of the team being done yeah to think about like going back to I think one of you guys mentioned how Pat Riley just has an unfathomable skill of making superstars

unhappy just a couple years ago, like five, seven years ago, something like that. We saw Dwayne Wade in the Cleveland Cavaliers jersey, and, like, he was a Chicago Bull also, too. Ew. Not because of him. He didn't do shit, really, but, like, want what he deserved after years and years of getting a, taking a routine pay cut back in those Miami heat days and Chris Boss days and stuff like that. And the second that he's up for, like, you know, one last final bag, power is like, nah, you can go over there. Yeah.

In terms of who's actually in the right here, I feel like it's. really nobody i mean jimmy so jimmy is doing regular jimmy things and he's unhappy and he's less in the wrong i would say but it's very understandable why he feels this way you know he's clearly upset by the way that pat riley has handled the relationship it's been pretty widely reported that the comments made last year essentially saying if you're on my team shut up and dribble not in that type of undertone but he was don't do a lot of talking if you're not going to be playing that rubbed him the wrong way especially after we all know why jimmy was kind of out of it last year and unavailable it was because of the passing of his father so for pat riley to

play that card even though he wasn't referencing that, I can understand why that upset Jimmy combine that with the fact they don't want to pay him. I'm not going to hold it against Jimmy to be acting this way. I can't like, I'm never going to get mad at like, I don't know.

Like you've heard the same before. Like you can't get mad at like a lion for catching its prey. Yeah, he's being, Jimmy. So I'm like, yeah, like every single stock that we've seen Jimmy Butler at, it's ended this way. So, like, I don't know. There's honestly just no way to feel because like you said, this was just inevitable. It was always going to end it. It was always going to end this

way because of how Jimmy Butler moves and because of how Pat Riley moves. And honestly, the only thing that maybe could have solved it is if they won a championship last year and Jimmy was like healthy and they were able to do the impossible. But like that run had already been played out. Not even that in my mind. I think if the Miami Heat simply solved, what Jivu was able to do over the last few years, which is make the NBA finals not only once but twice over the last few years. Yeah, like get this dude more help. Stop running back the same back court of Taya Hero.

Stop being cheap and settle for Terry Rozier when you've had all these opportunities. A few opportunities to get the Damien Lirds and all. They tried with Dame, I guess. Portland was trying to rob them and not only robbed them, but like take them out into the middle of town square and rob them. It's like you're not going to, you're not going to embarrass me in that way. Especially, you're not going to do that to Pat Riley. Great, great.

You're going to get embarrassed either way, though. I'm glad Pat Riley's not embarrassed. Now the team is terrible and they're going to lose Jimmy because I couldn't get a star around him and couldn't put them in a place to succeed. But I'm glad, I'm glad Pat Riley's not embarrassed. Thank God for that. I'm not saying it's correct. I'm not saying it's correct.

I'm just saying it's defending out, like, team general managers. Again, all I'm saying, all I'm saying is, that is how that is how that man moves. and you are not going to embarrass that man in front of everybody. And so, like, that's why it didn't get done. So it's not necessarily for, like, a lack of effort. But you try to play me. I'm just not going to get played. Like, it's very reasonable.

Yeah, debatable. Either way, the interesting part about the whole drama going down today is it was reported. It was reported that the Grizzlies and a few other teams have been told not to trade for Jimmy Butler, per Chris Haynes. And if you know anything about Chris Haynes or report for Chris Haynes coming directly from a player, he is a very pro player. reporter compared to someone like shams who obviously gets sources from like gms and stuff so this is pretty reliably coming probably from jimmy brother's agent i would assume interesting that whenever it was announced it was reported that he was saying i'll play for 29 other teams get me the fuck out of here i don't care where and now all of a sudden he's like

i'm not going to resign with the grizzlies are you tripping no interesting dynamic i play there yeah i mean it's just obvious he's the family man i understand why he wouldn't want to raise his family or whatever in Memphis over the next few years. Oh, yeah, he's about to get crazy. Very good reasons. So tell me what's wrong in Memphis. Solo came on low.

What's wrong in Memphis, ma'am. Let's talk about the crime rates, man. Oh, my, all right. There's not, no, no, no, man. But yeah, like, I can understand why he didn't want to be in Memphis, but also when he comes to basketball, that Dan Nier seems like similar to Miami.

He tended like, There's a PowerPoint ready on White Memphis such. Bro, I literally just read like some very naming stuff. All right. Let's talk about the officials. Yeah, we'll see where this goes. Apparently now Jimmy's not trying to go to certain teams, which Memphis was talked about is one of the more like easy to imagine

him fitting with them teams. Because it seems like they've been pretty aggressive in these straight talks. So if that's not going to happen, again, reading the tea leaves seems to me like he's trying to force to get to Phoenix or Golden State

one of those two and obviously the Bradley Beal of it all makes it complicated for Phoenix with the no trade clause and Golden State is an unserious organization

so I have no idea how this is going to play out is basically what I'm trying to say yeah he so okay so the trade deadline is like a month from today

he is you guys are we all like 100% certain that he is getting He's good. He's good. Yeah, he's got. Also, something we didn't mention is that he just got suspended for like seven games a couple of days ago or last week or something.

Yeah, that's the first thing we said. Probably when your ears are fucking up. You can't hear anything. No, you're right. And they basically spend on him and hope they're going to trade him by the time that ends. They're basically like, get that town. Yeah. Chat, what do you think is going to go? Where do you guys need to be a brother's going to end up to this time next year

or next time, next month, chat? We'll read this chat. Because it feels like the Phoenix Sun's thing could happen. But they're relying on Bradley Biel to want to go to Miami And Miami to want Bradley Buehl And I feel like the latter is in the air Yeah, shout out to Phoenix I guess we can just wait until that's the next topic

That's not happening though Like the Bradley Biel stuff to Miami I just feel like Why not? What else can Miami get at this point in time? Brad Biel Pat Riley would be damn Before Brad Biel gets to

If he doesn't like the way that like this whole Jimmy situation has played out like the things that Jimmy I guess kind of presents himself as and builds his entire you know character and persona on like I don't feel like Bradley Beale matches that and whatever idea of quote unquote heat culture that Pat Riley has in his head I also don't think that Bradley Beal matches that um like to the T and so I think when we're talking about like like like making a trait I mean Bradley Bills That's wrong to Bradley Beal. I mean, Tyler Hero isn't this great and grand guy.

They don't have everybody in their team like here, fucking fighting wolves. Well, they, like, they drafted Hero. He came out and, like, they also have, like, no other choice. But I'm saying, like, if you're talking about going out and trading a guy to bring a guy in, I'm not sure if he fits whatever Pat Riley wants. I guess. If they want to continue competitive, they don't want to rebuild, obviously. Like, I don't think Bradley Beal is the worst thing in the world.

He has two more years on his deal after this. I think he's a good player. He's just a bad fit with his team. If you're telling me that he wants to continue to be good and try to build from the middle, I don't think it'll be

the worst thing in the world to have him there next to Bam and Tyler Hero. Yeah, I mean, obviously there's like some skill sets alongside Tyler Hero. That's not great. It's a little bit of redundant.

In terms of what they are, we know who they are. They want to be mid. Bradley build is the perfect candidate. That's all he knows from start to finish of his career. What else are they going to do? I mean, I think it's there in a shit situation.

They're not going to get a lot for Jimmy. Getting a really good player isn't the worst thing in the world. I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't be excited about it if I'm a heat fan, but I also wouldn't be

shooing it away if I was Pat Riley. I wouldn't think it's insane. Yeah. I agree. I agree. The man moves differently. I don't know.

Pat Riley is an interesting guy. He's an interesting character. Okay. Well, shout out to Elena for $5. So I got to see Aunt Cook and my glorious King Nasreed Cook the Clippers live last night. Bang your fucking game.

Too easy for real. Shout out to Nazaree. Shout out to Ryan B for $5. He says, Suffering with an ear infection, take some money for distracting me with the only good basketball takes. Damn, an ear infection, that's tragic.

Ear infection. Have you ever had one before? No. Yeah. Yeah. I've had one before. I've had one before. I mean, it sucks.

Like, your ear just hurts, and it's just like throbbing all day. My sister used to get ear infections like all the time. She was actually, like, jacked up. And it was just pain. Speaking of that game, the Timberwolves versus Clippers was interesting about the game

besides the fact that Ant went crazy and won them the game in the fourth quarter. The Timberwolves made a lineup change. Finally, they benched Mike Conno and started Dante DiVincenzo. And man, did they look better last night? They looked like a lot more balance of a lineup.

Obviously, Mike Connolly is over the hill while the time is kicking his ass, piecing him up left and right. It made sense to get something in the starting line to get a little more shooting. And then because of that, because you have Mike Collin off the bench, bench, you were able to have your first bench lineup

be their starting lineup from last year, but with Nazaree instead of Julius Randall, and as always, like it has all season, that lineup fucking cooked because that's their best team, starting Nazarita and not Julius Randall, so now they can get to that easier. How did y'all feel seeing them finally make a decision to change the lineup?

I think they did it in the smartest way possible. It's so weird to like have this player is making $30 million or whatever Julius Randall's salary is per year and ask him to come off the bench. I think it feels clear and more like, you know, timbrel's native

over the last few years when it comes to what they've been to have someone like Nasreid starting. But when it comes to like politics and shit, you can't have Julius Randall come off the back. Like the amount of like hissy fits that he would throw. Damn, yeah, yeah, not great. And on top of that, this team,

if they're going to get to the best case scenario of like using their assets in the smartest way post-cat trade, they have to trade Julius Randall eventually. So they, they should be in the business of providing Julius Randall with some value and putting in the best situation to put up numbers to convince a team

that he's worth something. Benching him is the worst idea of possible team yet. Are you trying to say that they should scam a team right now? Yes, 100%. They have to. That's the only way to get out of this hole. They got to rob somebody motherfucking blind. It has to be nasty.

It's kind of true. Because they themselves got robbed. They allowed themselves to get robbed because they were being broke. And now that's just the cycle of what you have to do. But I like the move from last night just because it's a good sense of desperation that you see from them. Because obviously, like, we're around, like, we're like five, six games away from the like official midpoint of the season.

And the Timberwolves are not where you wanted to be there, not what they thought they were going to be. And it's about damn time. It's about time that you start tinkering with lineups that you start trying to figure out how can we actively, you know, And says something every three days about how he's unhappy and I don't want to play this way or whatever. It's this is what you have to do to start figuring out how to do that. And it's the same thing that happened when you first got Kat and you first got Gobert. Like you had to go through the process of figuring out what works, what does it. And it's the same thing now that you have Julius Randall.

You have to repeat that process of the experimentation. Specifically just the other day, he was quoted saying, like, I don't want to be past the ball seven, eight more seven, seven, eight times. and I'm tired of, like, getting double team or whatnot. Now, in general, it's going to happen. He's only the best players in the league. If you're at that level and that caliber of star, get ready to face that and get over that hurdle. But it's a lot easier to the double team

when you got old man Mike Conno, who puts up, like, fucking four or five shots a game. He's not really looking to get his own shot off because it's harder to. Now, not to say, like, Dante Diffichito has been having, like, an absolute stellar season, but in general, like, he's more of a scoring fit along just in general yeah he's more of a scoring threat than what mike connie was so it alleviates

a little bit of pressure for into his game yeah this team is just really really broken right now because they have before yesterday they had four to five starters that give you nothing right now with connolly being washed j made daniels in the world's most almighty slump julius randonger not being a good offensive duo like it was so gross something had to change and obviously we all think is julius randle but the fact that they know they can't do that but they also know they can't do nothing is a good sign because you know chris finch was in the media saying if i thought a line-up change was his magic bolt i'd fix a team i would have been did it which sounded a little bit like a hard-headedness which isn't what you want to hear from a team that

obviously has makes some kind of change so it's good to know despite that comment and how annoying it probably is to hear constantly you've got to make a line-up change it's good to know he actually is open to it yes exactly so so sad to them let's see if they can get up out of the play-in because it's there's there's a runway to make a run to get to six

but I'm not I'm not a hundred percent sure if they can do it but if they are it starts now so I'm with it

shout out to Angel Enriquez for tipping $25 he said unfortunately this is my last T3 episode for the next three

months because I ship out for the Marine Corps boot camp this Sunday I love your content and we'll definitely go through

withdrawals and basketball shout out you boot camp sounds Salute. No joke. I could not do that. Three months. Tough.

Three months of it without my beautiful most pride and precious crowned. You just I couldn't do it, right? What hell? Shout out to Angel.

Next thing. The All-Star game voting came out. The first wave of fan vote. And it was very, very interesting. Let me share this screen on quick so you guys can see it too.

It was kind of a surprise. Lamello Ball was a number one east guard by fucking far, pushing a million votes the second one was Donovancho of 700,000. How do you feel about that first? Lamello Ball?

Yeah. It makes a lot of sense for who he is. Lamella has always been a social media star and now that now that him and his brothers have gotten an extra push from the song of the year. It just makes it.

Just want to say you heard song, you like it. It's fire. I love it. What's your favorite bar? I'm going to swerp in that corner. That's all I know. I'm not a bitch on tatted.

Head to toe. Give a fuck. Oh, whoa, whoa, oh, oh, so I'm like you had that bitch on repeat. You can barely understand the bars because there's so much of that fucking echo on it where he has the multi-layered vocals. It's like I can hear the first two bars and it's so hard to understand what he's saying. It's okay.

But this is very interesting. Nicole Yokic has 1.4 million votes in the front court, more than LeBron James and Kevin Durant. That is perplexing. And you look at the West Guards. Steph Curry's number three. How does Steph Curry have less fan vote than Luca Donchish and Shea?

That's crazy. The falloff is ridiculous for the Warriors, bro. Like, they've been horrendous over the last, like, a month. And we were just allowed to start voting a month ago. So timing is just not the best room. But in general, you're right. I agree in terms of branding and, like, faces of basketball. Like, you would expect her to be up there.

That's shame. It won't be like that. It won't be like that in the second fan vote return. Why? The Warriors fans are going to pick it up? They will have their streaming farms and all of their voting camps. They will have those set up. Don't forget.

Forget Andrew Wiggins. Remember, Warriors fans almost got Zazaa but Chulia into the awesome with their voting. I think that they're going to see this as a call to action. And I think that Steph will definitely get a massive boost And it's going to be in San Francisco They are using government and city funds To make sure that Steph Curry is an all-star starter Check out to East front court

Carl Anthony Towns with a million votes More than the middle of all The New York media is insane The East has Janice, Jason Tatum, and Carltony Towns His front court And after that, it's less than 500,000. It's a cliff. Yes, that's a bro, cats people. are right now is at an all time

high he's what he's what New York needed and fucking he needs New York Ray until the playoffs start you don't you know you don't believe in the playoff setting don't disrespect let me take you one thing about is burn protection

that's a bold thing to assume it exists that's what I'm saying I'm just looking at I'm just trying to see it I mean I can say it y'all can't say it oh why you gatekeeping fucking nix basketball no no no no no you can give a

next card family family family issues that stays inside the family you guys are outside you can't you guys can't talk about that all right next story kate cuttingham has a new signature logo with nike how did y'all feel about this it's pretty it's pretty strong logo i like it a lot double sees hard I saw someone saying it spells K too If you like rotate it Which I guess That felt like a bit of a reach But the double Cs looks very very cool

Yeah Yeah I don't know Yeah I don't know about that Actually I don't know The top looks like an A I'm not doing that The top doesn't I thought it was an A too

I thought it was an A2 But it's Maybe it does spell Kade I like it one Maybe it does spell Kade Either way Whether if it spells Kave Or it's just his initials

It's a very solid logo And it's very good Someone said don't say double Cs. I said don't say double Cs, boys. What do you think in this Twitch chat

is going to check us for saying double Cs? I think we're fine. I think we're all right. We're not outside unless someone that's going to have an issue with that. I think we're okay.

I am not banging. I do not feel like with anything. I have agreed until I die. That's the only thing I am broke. Got it. Anyway, strong logo. It's cool to see the K momentum starting to mount.

He's having that all-star leaped out of a season. Getting stamp with the logo is like that. It's a little like, yep. With a great logo too. Star. Hopefully whatever shoes that come out. Double-seas. Double-seens is just 10 out of 10.

I love seeing. Oh, he's trying on his chat right now. I love seeing the double-seas as this logo. It's great. You don't see a lot of double-seas as logos. They're going to be outside your crib, Donovan. Pull up Demardo Rosen

Bain on your back window I didn't mean Hey to meet Go to stream Who's a stream The next thing's not really a headline But this interesting tweet We're on the topic of

You know young stars Like Kay Cuttingham This tweet was making the rounds on Twitter Or someone said The only untouchable players in the NBA Palabankero Shei Janis Yokic

Luca Tatum Vic Steph Kade Jha Anthony Edwards and Franz How do y'all feel about this list? Wrong. So not be untouchable. Wrong.

Franz is not touchable. I love him. Cade Franz are not untouchable. Okay. It's not untouchable. Actually, not he is. Steph's untouchable for different reasons. Yeah.

Wait, yeah. Let me see the list again. Can you zoom in a little bit? Thank you. Oh, man. That's my bad. Come on. Yeah.

Palo should not be untouchable in my mind. That's just wrong. Paulo Franz. Palo shouldn't be untouchable? who could they trade palo for like when you say untouchable thing about practically like who could come available on the trade market where it makes sense to trade palo ban caro if the toronto raptors are offering me for some weird reason like scotty barns are like three first on picks i'm thinking about that deal well that i mean that's not that's not that's not even

react scottie barnes are three first on picks what scenario does that happen but like i'm just talking about like if there's a way where something could happen that's a way well i think we were untouchable yeah it's a word like where yannis like requests a trade or something and then you had to make somebody available. Would you get rid of Palo Van Caro at this age for Janus? Probably not. You know, you probably wouldn't do that. I would.

Hell, yes, I would. For Janus? I don't think you have to. I don't think, yeah, Janus is like 31, right? Yeah, give me. Actually, no, maybe he's not. No, Anthony Davis is 31. So Janus might be 29, actually.

Yeah, give me like four or five years like peak Janus. I'm doing that. That's what makes, things like that makes me think, like, Palo Mancaro is very touchable. Janus 20 on December 6th. A yo. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy.

In my opinion, Jammaray is not untouchable. I think there's, I think there's a world where if another massive start, like if a top five player in the world requested a trade, I think to bring them in, I think sending out Jha might work. And that's okay.

And honestly, listen, we'll see how the next two years, play out, but if you get into a situation where it's like, hey, it seems like this kind of like Arrow Grisies basketball has run its course. It wouldn't be wild if the Grizzlies, it would be wild because like it's Memphis and there's such like a small market, but like actually thinking about the situation if they were proactive in trading Joe, John Moran, it would not be crazy. I mean, it'd be a little bit crazy just because you're making a move just to do it for a

job right or crazy. But look, let's let's use the framework because again, untouchable. Usually people are like, well, I would trade him one for one for Rick. Like, duh. But in terms of practicality, let's use Yannis as the example. Because that's like a realistic play you can see requesting a trade at a veteran age. That's not young. How many players in this list would you not include in the Yonis package? There's Luca.

There's Wembe. And then there's Yolkich. Then maybe Shea. Maybe. Yeah, you're not trading Shea. What the fuck? Because these trades actually happen most of the time you keep your best player. Most of the time you're trying to pair him with that guy.

So a team, like the bucks couldn't ask. okay, see, to include Shea, because they'd get the fuck out of my face. Why would I bother doing that? I would only get Yonis to pair with Shea. And I feel like Palo's kind of reaching that level where you would say, okay, realistically, be serious here. It's Franz, Suggs, and a bunch of picks. You're probably not going to, they can't ask for Palo.

I don't know. I feel like in order to be on touch, you have to have, like, you have to have, like, all, like, tantalizing potential damn near all-time player. And I don't think, like, if Franz played the season, then yeah, but I don't know Paul is there just yet. Yeah, I mean, you know how I feel. He's top 10 player in the world potential, which I think is enough to make you untouchable

when you're this young. Sure. Is Anthony Edwards untouchable? Again, if it's a Yonis situation, probably. I think about if Yonis requested a trade, there would not be rumors that the Timber Wills are thinking about trading Anthony Edwards for Yonis.

That wouldn't happen. Yeah. I guess you could throw Anthony Edwards into that conversation, too. Here's Julius Randall in the first time. Yeah, see, they just wouldn't get honest. There's that. Yeah.

But, like, in my mind, I guess when it comes out with how you break it down, there's nothing that could entertain me when it comes to Janus, Wembe, Yolkich, and Luca, and Shea, too. Like, there's nothing that can entertain me. I will never even think about trade nose where it's, they're immovable. Yeah. Franz is obviously not untouchable. Franz is not untouchable, obviously, as much as you like him,

he could be moved for a top five player to pair with Palo Bankero. Kay is an interesting one because, like, what do the Pistons have to gain by, trading K. Like, who could become available where it makes sense, where they dangle Kade? Not sure. I'll say this. Out of everybody on this list, actually, no. Devin Booker. If Devin Booker, like, requests his trade, he's from, he's from over there, Michigan. Are you at your mind? Have you seen Devin Booker this year? Not, okay. It's the pissings we're talking about here. I would easily, easily keep Kade over giving K plus picks for Devin Booker. I'm easily keeping

Kaye. We're talking about Kevin, Devin Booker this year. Maybe he needs to change the series. Maybe he needs his mom's hometown cooking, though. Never know. I know your point. But for Devin Booker specifically, I'm keeping the fuck out of Kate. Let's get, okay. Well, wipe Devin Booker away this year. Just the general idea, the top two, three shooting guard, Devin Booker that we're used to knowing.

Yeah. Even then, Kate's made a leave. I don't know. You're right. That's a tough one. I want to pair Booker with Kate. I don't feel like I gain anything by trading Cade for Booker. I'm not getting that much better.

That's what makes somebody untouchable to me is, is there a world where you would even think about trading them? Because what do you have to gain? okay all right so like not on this list so let's say see because like it's it's kind of hard because at least for the guys who from from what this conversation turned out to be the guys who are really untouched who are like the best four players in the world and then be and so if like for a guy like kate let's say like de mitch real quick sorry someone said i just watched a quincy ac mixtape because of you guys because I went down

you mentioned Quincy AC. Man, if you're watching basketball. No, listen. You know, be like just the best experience ever. Blassing that Leangelo Ball song but also like putting on Quincy AC. Can somebody do that? Can somebody

at mix? Oh my goodness. Yes, can somebody make a Quincy AC highlight tape with Leangelo Ball's new song? I would love to see that. At us, please. Bisham had it. To bitch on tatted, head to toe. You know it.

You know the song. I know that bar. That's about it. Real quick. Is Tatum untouchable to y'all? Of course. No. I mean, if Nicole,

which requests to trade, and sure, maybe Tatum's touchable, but realistically, yes, he's untouchable. We got to stop saying that. You, you'll never respect them. Anyways, it's not about the thing. No, no, no, you didn't hear what you said.

You didn't clock what you said. Oh, no, he can get touched. All right. Oh. That's a threat. That's a threat. Let's talk about the Phoenix Suns a little bit. This team benched Bradley Biel.

Yeah, how about not. They bench Bradley Biel in a move that was reported as Dave benched Bradley Biel and Yusuf Nerkich amidst locker room turmoil. That's how Chris Haynes phrased it. the team demanded they make a change and they decided to obviously bench Nurkich who deserved it a million percent and bring Bradley Bill off the bench for Ryan Dunn.

When to ask about it, Bradley Bill said he was caught off guard. He had no idea it was going to happen but he didn't want to be a distraction. So he accepted the coach's decision. Did you all think this is the right move? Yeah, I guess. Yeah, because as solid of a season

Bradley Bill has had like individually, there's no way you can warp his game into what you need for this team. Ryan Dunn fits that mold because he covers like, oh, Donovan just...

Oh, Gavin lagged out. Look at that. RIP. Look at him. L. Internet is back. There you go. Donovan, that's why I call you broke.

What are you going to do about it? Come on, man. Okay. But yeah, I think it's an overall W. They said, Show me a band, Donovan. Don said we all have the same job. Don't play a band.

Don't play it. You know what I say that? Someone who can't show you a band. I see you're trying it. You're trying it. I don't keep that, I don't keep that kind of stuff here, you know, for the safety purposes, you know. Who says that's someone who can't do it? Yeah, I'll make the call.

We're going to bring it on next stream. I'm coming with a band. All ones. You're going to go with a couple stacks in this stream for what? You're going to do the money spread? Who's going to bed? I got through you right now. That's the title of the next stream.

We went ban for bad for bad. We went ban for band. We went ban for band with our Twitch chat or YouTube chat. I'm pussy. Exactly. Everybody's talking. Double C's who. You're all talking about these bands.

Donate. Let me see bands then. Let me see it. He said, donates. Talking about double Cs telling Don to go ban for bands. This is a crazy episode. Who shat is this? Don't eat, bro.

That's hilarious. He said, Give me a band, please. So obviously a lot of people react to this. Maybe get Kevin Gallickey up in here. Or made me call Kevin. Kevin, not nice. So this is Bradley Biltre.

People were obviously like, make sense. We know this is the worst big three that's ever been formed in the NBA. Your skill sets. Don't help each other at all. People like me gaslit myself into thinking, could come in and fix it because of preseasoning promising. End of the day, 20 games came and went,

bad habits became bad habits. They came back out. This team still stinks. The star still don't make sense. So benching Bradley Bill makes sense. And on top of that, a lot of people theorized that they were kind of trying to piss him off to try to, like, get him to wave his no trade clause.

Do you guys think that makes sense as like a, if you were in the gym, do you think it makes sense to try to antagonize a player to wave a no trade clause? You know, not just to break it down like that. To be like, you're not wanting to. here. I'm benching you. You should leave. Is that going to fucking work?

I don't know. It'll work, but in the nastiest way possible. And that's embarrassing too for the GM who like greenlit this trade. He was asked about that. They asked him, do you see this as them trying to potentially make this move to bench you for having to do with a Jimmy Butler trade that's been reported? He said, if so, I need to be addressed because I hold the cards until I'm addressed and somebody says different than I'll be his son. He said, I hold the cards. He said, I hold the cards. He said, I need to be addressed. And it was a little sassy.

Like, it seemed like he maybe even thinking about that. And some people on, Get your fake, Bradley. I know, tell him. Fuck. Some people on Twitter were like, if I was Bradley Beale, I would just make it difficult. And I would say, fuck you, I'm staying.

I don't really think Bradley Beale or any pro athlete is really wired like that to be like, I'm putting my foot down. No, I definitely won't raise it. I won't wait that clause. I don't think that's practical either. So I don't really know what's going to come from this. no trade clauses are extremely rare yeah like you you rarely see an opportunity for a player

even uh to to actually put their foot down in this way because obviously like all the contracts are guaranteed so there's like the money aspect of it that's not really going to uh move move the needle but if you can say hey listen you are going to have to pay me $50,000 and there's no way that you can just move off of me until i say i mean 50 million yeah until i move until i say so bradley be was right he does hold the cards and so he does need to be addressed it's true everything he's saying is is is is facts like i i like it and honestly do it do it bradley bill start acting a fool put on the fat suit get into the into the layup lines do would do what everybody else before you has done i did i think the opposite i think he should probably want to be traded i

think he should probably try to i think he should want pat riley to move him like i don't think he should act difficult i think if they want to trade him for jimmy boulder if i'm bradley bill i would love to be in miami i think if i'm bradley biel i'd fucking hate my current situation with the sons and my money's my money either way so send me to a place that's going to get me touches that's going hopefully repair my awful PR right now and get me a situation where somebody will pay me in two years and this deal's done exactly he needs to be thinking long too term needs to be thinking about extending like his career right now literally everybody around the NBA thinks that he is the most damning and damaging cost contract that any roster could

imaginely have because you simply can get off you're like I don't really think it is for the sons he has a he has a that's what that's what I'm saying he has a no trade clause so like in the current situation yes it is because the team has absolutely they don't have the ultimate veto so bradley be like that's the worst case scenario for any for any team so yes it is the worst contract given given that like the money is big enough to where it's hard to it's hard to make like one for one deals you're going to have to aggregate a lot of salary and it's going to have to be to a place where bradley deal is like 100% certain on a lot of things have to line up and it's hard the problem is

people think that he's overpaid and has a no trade clause so that's a problem which is true but they also think he sucks which is not true he's in the worst case scenario possible he's horrible for the sons because he does the same thing as Evan Booker does and you only need so many tough shot makers on a team. But like if you look for other teams that could use him that don't necessarily have the money constraints, like I was talking about on Twitter, if I'm the pistons and I have money to spend, I would like Bradley Bill next to Cade. I'm trying to win games and I'm playing by a different set of rules than the L.A. teams and New York teams that can get the stars they want and are trying to win titles. If you're a team in the middle

a small market team, you can give a middling star $50 million. Shit like that happens. Bradley Bill is a good player. If I can give Bradley Bill and I get the last remaining picks the sons have for them for them for them,

I don't think that's some disgusting thing that everybody should avoid. I agree with you. It's only avoidable because of like the contract and what he's able to do. And also I guess if you want to argue like how good he is

compared to the money he's giving you. Yeah, he's overpaid for sure. I'll argue me behind that because he's like his true skills are overshadowed because because of players who are just above above him right now. But yeah, there's plenty of teams you're right who would be like

yeah, give me Bradleyville. I'll take him on my team. If I'm on Atlanta Hawks and I'd be like, sure, give me Bradleyville. If you're the only no magic or something like, or hell, the Denver Nuckets or something like, you would take something like Bradley Beale and a heartbeat. I don't know about all those teams, but like, I mean, you'd want him on the hawks. That's an interesting fit, him and Trey. I don't know if I love that,

but it wouldn't be terrible. He's a, he's a bucket getter at the end of the day and we're struggling with that. Yeah. I can Yeah, I think there's a team that could use them. I think especially for getting picks off for him. I, not every team is in the same situation where every dollar matters. That's the realistic world. It's not every team is going to use that money.

And many teams are using it in ways that aren't necessarily any better. There's two more years left on this deal. Again, the Pistons will not be contending for a championship in two years. They will not be demanding financial flexibility over the next two seasons. If they can get extra assets, I think Bradley build make them better. Yeah, I agree. I got a question for y'all. There's only been 10 NBA players in history to get.

a no-trade clause. Can you name the other nine? Nope. No. Sure can't. You want to try to? Fuck you think this is. No. No. I don't know. This is a nerdsash. I don't know. I don't got to roll it next to my head. It's easy. Kobe Bryant. Yes.

Michael Jordan. No, I don't believe it was around back then. Shack. Cobia. Actually, I lied. It was around. But no, not Kobe. No, not Shaq. Magic? Nope. He said it wasn't around back then. LeBron? K.G? Yes. LeBron. Yes.

so are these actual no trade clauses or like effectively that because of the way the contract is structured it's actually like no no trade clauses carmelo anthony yeah yes mellow i remember that one um how many about dwayne wade yes you have four more do we say kevin durant no no katie okay no it was discard oh tim dungan we're tim dougain okay you got it yeah he got it any place it don't Shout to He's like, I guess Oh, why not? Sure, why not?

He's fucking you ask for it. Steve Nash? No, not Steve Nash. I feel this is a very... I feel this is very the early 2000s thing. Yes, Dirk. Two more. Wrong white point guard.

What are the white point guard? Two more in the from back in the day. Jason kid? Or on MJ's era. Yeah, Stoncton. Stoncton. Ston. Stoncton.

Stonton? Stonken. Stomkin. That's a lie of a word. Sounds stomping. A shout out to Kevin Gulligie for tipping $30. He said, Who's your Mount Rushmore with the Big Four Sports?

Mine's Braun, Tom Brady, Game 7, Tim Thomas, and Nick Castellanos after the disaster of catastrophe. I don't know what that reference means, but Donovan's laughing. Nick, there's a player. The last time I heard from him, I think he was on to the Phillies, but every time like an MLB announcer says something wrong,

Nick Castiano's hits a home run So like there's been announcers Who have been in trouble for like They've said like some racist things And like the it popped off is one announcer He said some wild stuff The next day was in the middle of his apology And Cassiano's hit a home run

Oh I remember that I remember that Yeah And so like in the middle of his apology He like stopped and like started Commentating the game Yeah Back to his apology

And it's happened a couple A couple times after I didn't know it happened more than once That's funny I know about the iconic one No yeah he's kind of like that But yeah I would go bronze Bradie, Bron, Brady, Jordan, Gretzky.

What do you know about Wayne Gretzky? You hockey again? Wayne Gretzky? I said Gretzky. You didn't get the record. You didn't get the reference. I thought you were saying I said it wrong. I was like, no, I try it all right.

It's everybody hates Chris, hates the reference. Yeah. You missed it. I remember that episode. It's funny because I've seen so many episodes that show, but apparently I miss that one. remember when his brother What's his brother named Drew? I got a fake jersey

Classic Oh, that's what it was Okay Yeah Anyways, that's the end of the new stories I want to cover Let's get to the title topic now 45 minutes in the stream

Per usual We're gonna make our bold predictions For the rest of the season I came with three I don't know how many y'all came with Hopefully one of you is four So we get to 10 So I'm not a fucking liar

Donovan you can go first What is your first Bull prediction for 2025 And chat As we do this I want you guys to spam W or L for the prediction we will see two teams

reach 70 wins oh the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Oklahoma City Thunder will both win 70 games this season oh that's a good one that's never happened before has it great bold one I love this I love this I can assume that's never happened I know the Spurs got close whenever the Warriors did it

so maybe that's probably the closest example but I think that's a W the Thunder are currently on a 15 game winning streak the cavaliers are have four losses right so you have 10 game one street too yeah so like do you think that the calves can are going to lose eight more games and do you think that the thunder are going to lose seven more games it's very hard because the way that the way that they keep doing it always ends up being like they just go on these like six seven game win streaks may lose one and then go on another six seven game win streak according to tankathon the thunder have

one of the easiest schedules remaining in the in the league the the calves a little bit more towards the top but like they're a juggernaut and every lineup that they put out is awesome i i think i think that they can like realistically do it i guess the the math would say bet against this history would say bet against this never happened so there's a good mix of ls in there but there's a lot of w takes in the chat right now and i think that's a testament to how much people are like these teams are for real these these are not flukes by any means so if you're telling me you're from the future and this happened and it makes history

I wouldn't even be shocked I'd be like damn that's crazy but that makes sense yeah and like for the Cavs like for the Cavs if it was a different team I would say like maybe you get to the end of the season and

maybe you like wrestling guys I think the Cavs have a little bit of like proving themselves to do and I think going for something like that going for a mark of 70 wins in the regular season that that can help their help their PR and show people like we are for real because i i honestly do feel like a lot of people still look at Cleveland and they still look at them as the team that got bounced out and dominated

by the next two years ago in the playoffs and like so much has happened since that time but 70 wins could stamp them as like a for real all-time team man i don't i think one exactly i was about i was just about saying it just depends on who's healthier obviously okay c's dealt with the biggest in one of the biggest teams of the season losing their star center and chat and also at the same time too they didn't have Isaiah Hardinstein but that didn't fucking matter

because there's some rolling in the winds of J-Dub you know masquerading as a big man between these two I'd probably lean towards the Cleveland Cavaliers just because the math is matting they can allow a few more losses compared to OKC but yeah shout out to Kevin Gullicki for donating

another $25 he said I don't want to say I'm worried because I know what my King JT and J.B can do in the postseason but the Thunderman those guys can play still doesn't matter because I'm a Celtics

the Celtics are them yeah man if you're a Celtics fan you should be worried about both these teams I think these teams are both legit this isn't 2024

these teams are probably better than what they had to face in the playoffs last year you know Luca wasn't healthy so that version of the Mavs they saw was an easy lick and everybody in the East they played before the finals

was obviously not that big of a problem especially compared to these two teams self-tiff can't get complacent yeah Yeah. I agree. I agree. Shout out to LeBron for tipping $5. Shout out to Ryan B for tipping $5. And shout out to Yte Fan 4 through A for tip in $1. Appreciate all you. Dude, that game, that last game that we saw a couple nights ago between OKC and the Boston Celtics, said a lot.

Told us a lot. We were able to download and gather so much information when it comes to. I'm glad you said that. I'm duping it out. I'm glad you said that. Because my first bowl take for this season is I think Shay is going to win MVP. and finals MVP. And I think, I don't even know if it's that bold, but I think that's the case. I think they're winning the chip.

And I think right now, to me, Shea is very easily the MVP. Obviously, I, Yoko's the strongest soldier. I can convince you, I can convince myself of an argument for him if I really needed to, but I don't because Shea is so easily the MVP. It's so under-talked about

that they lost their second best player. They don't have a lot of creators on this team. It's just, Shea and J-Dub is the only guys to dribble like that. So losing Chet is a huge. humongous deal and the fact that we're talking about them potentially hitting 70 fucking wins without chet hongren who is in line to be d p oi and we still are talking about 70 wins despite having two guys i can dribble that is a huge MVP case she has been the best score alive

this year on the best team and he's the reason they can be here without much offensive talent at all is easy to me yeah exactly and it's so hard for someone like she to continuously thrive and be as efficient of a bucket getter he is when you're i don't want to say handicapped because okay c still in general has some of the best spacing in the league since they have capable players but just because they're capable don't mean that they're like that efficient they haven't been that efficient whatsoever this year compared to their normal standards at least compared to last year yeah and in my mind that's why i want to i look at shay it goes back to our top 30 argument a couple weeks ago like this is why

he's like better than someone like tatum he's oh he's way better i take that i i don't know about way better? He's better. You see that the generational bucket again? Yeah. I'm kidding about way better, but I take it back everything I said. He's better than Tatum. Sure, they're still in the same tier. At this rate, Shea is pushing into the next tier. If he keeps doing this, he keeps getting better. I immediately regretted it. Everything I said logically was true. It made sense. But I'm, Shay's better. She's better. I can't even lie. Yeah, exactly. Simple because like the bucket getting that he's getting is generational. It's Michael Jordan comparable,

bro. We never, I don't know, so we never seen this shit before, but at the rate he's doing it with the limitations that his team has, especially Jada, whenever you guys told me about it. And I ranked him like a little bit higher because I viewed him and I expect him to have some research and expectations, but his

secondary creator can get paralyzed at times because of how limited at times his back can get. He has a shoulder all that while also like holding him up on his own defensively, which is, What he does? Someone said, Isaac doesn't stand on business

while any take for longer than two months. If you think I'm standing on business arguing against Sheik of Alexander, you're out of your fucking mind. That's not any business I care to stand on. Fuck that. I don't care.

Who likes to be long and loud? The moment, like, that clip that we had where Shea blocks Tatum, gets the ball back, throws the lot to heart inside. As soon as I saw that, I was like, yeah,

that's the MVP moment. You have the MVP, and you did it against, against the Celtics and on a national. nationally televised game. It was NBA TV, whatever. But, like, that is the exact thing that you need

that whenever people look back at this season, it's going to be that. So in the chat is saying, he has everything. They're saying, in what way does team success dictate how good Shay is? How do you think teams succeed? It's because of how good their players are.

And this team is the number one defense because they have a ludicrous amount of defensive talent. You can't have a ludicrous amount of defensive talent and ludicrous amount of offensive talent. They do not have creators at all. without their stretch five there to open up the pain for everybody

it's literally just Shea and Jdub and I don't know if you've noticed since Chet got hurt jadub has been pretty fucking terrible he's in an extremely cold shooting spell he can't get to the rim at all without that five out spacing Shea is the only reason this team is top ten in offense and if they weren't top ten in offense they wouldn't have anywhere close to this team's success it's similar to how Yokic raises everybody up around him and you give him credit for the wins when they come

Shea is doing the same type of offensive carry job and think about think about how good the Thunder were shooting the ball last season and then think about like the drop that they've taken shooting this this year and then when you look at teams that profile like this if you look at it just from a very like macro sense where you have your one score

and a lot of like three and D guys right like defensive goons most of the time those teams are in the middle of the pack those teams like they're like a four seed or three seed at best you are never ever seen teams with this kind of construction being like oh yeah they're on a 15 game winning streak and they might win 70. That's that's the insane part about it. Exactly. Some

Baxter said SGA is not close to Yokic, Isaac, you're glazing. I'm not saying he's the better player or he's as good overall, but in terms of MVP case, he has he has just as good, if not better if not better, if not better than MVP case. I saw something on Twitter say that it's very similar to the Derek Rose MVP, but just like on steroids because he's way better. He's honestly clearly better than Derek Rose ever was because it's a team that has a bunch of defensive players and one guard just carrying them to the upmost level offensively, this is the same exact type of thing.

I love that. Shout to O'C. That's a good comparison. Yeah, that's a good comparison. Situational, you have, like, one of the, like, defense's out of the year? Who's this year's,

who's blue all dang for the O'KC funder? J. Dove. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, Jokim Noah is checked, but they don't have Jokin Noah right now, and they're still doing this. That's why it's crazy.

Yeah. Yeah, man. Who's boozer? Boozer? Lou Dord. Just because he's big. Just a bruiser. Okay.

Here's my next bold. My first bold take, actually. The Golden State Warriors are not only going to miss the playoffs, but they're also going to miss the play in. Don't know if it's like Super Bowl. It's not, but I respect it because I'm down to fucking punch back down after all the shit they give us. Fuck on. I'm down to rub their misery in the Warriors fans' face if they were so mean to me

for saying they were going to be bad. Yeah, they're currently one game away. They're one game up on the Kings for the 11 seat. So it's like, if they keep doing what they've been doing, which is losing games and chunks, by the end of next week, they can be the 11 seat. I think they'll probably make it just because, like, it's pretty easy to make the 10 seats.

Some teams are going to get hurt. But if you tell me they make that they're 11, I wouldn't be terribly shocked. we keep saying that and obviously like the the weak link in because right now seven through 10 is clippers warriors uh te wolves spurs obviously the clear weak link in that would be the spurs but at the same time when does this game better i don't know i don't know i don't yeah i don't necessarily know if they are as much of a weak link because the teams but the teams below them is like it's sacramento shout out to them for winning a couple games don't care five game win street though

They kind of have the shit together. Yeah. Don't care. Like they, I'm not, like, their five-game winning streak does not signal to me that they are in a tier above San Antonio. No, no, no, definitely. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like, I think San Antonio can definitely compete with them.

And then you have Phoenix who's either injured or trying to figure some stuff out. So there is room. And honestly, at this point, especially with the way Wendy's playing right now, I kind of expect San Antonio to be in the top 10. Yeah. Honestly, with teams this close. it's going to come down to who's healthy and if any moves remain at the deadline but really realistically who's healthy

right now the Mavs are free falling because Luke is out for a month and now Kyrie's hurt they're probably going to fall into the plane range at this rate because they're missing a lot of time without their two best guys and Jason Kidd without his stars is just incapable of doing anything

so they might be in that mix too like everything's up in the air and it's going to be decided by injuries so I won't say it's a W or an L because I think it literally just comes down to who's healthy but I'm not if you're taking that they're bad enough to miss the plan

you're 100% right. They are fully capable of missing that fucking plan. That is true. Every time I turn on my TV and watch the Warriors, I'm just like, hold on, these guys worse than I thought they were. And I just look at the product. I'm just like, oh my God, pause. T.J.D.

Kaminga is somewhat limited bag. You're one Steph Curry ankle roll away for your season just being like thrown away. Remember early in the season I mentioned TJD can't make layups? And I was like, he's shooting 40% on layups. He still is. 35 games that he still is. He can't make lips. I saw a chart that showed every team's percentage on layups, and they were by far the

bottom, and I swear, like, 80% of that is TJD missing layups. Y'all remember last season when I was writing for TJD? Yeah, I remember as fucking clearly. I wasn't going to bring it up, but I know it. Shout out of Indiana, man. Disgusting. I'm glad you mentioned the Warriors, though, because that relates to my second Bull prediction. I'll get out of here.

You know, there was an article that came out this morning where Steph Curry was pretty candid about where the Warriors are at right now and the success or lack of the whole two timelines thing he said I would like to be here but we'll see what happens something of that regards right they asked him if it's been a success he said hard for me to say all these things where he wasn't really sugarcoding that they're not doing well right now and he was

insinuating that I can't control what's going on right now and maybe some shit might happen I guess my board prediction is I think we're nearing the end of this run and I won't say he's going to leave but I think this summer we're going to get some kind of dramatic fallout whether it is Steph saying trade for a star or trade me they'll have to do one of those whether it's firing Steve Kerr whether it's

everything blowing up I don't know what it looks like but I think Steph Curry's finally going to do some kind of power play where he's like I'm not running this back for another year yeah I 100% agree to follow with that a part of my like bullet predictions too behind that was like they're going to completely reshape and revamp their entire roster it's going to be Dre and Steph everyone

maybe Dennis Schroeder to him trade for him or whatever but that's irrelevant when it comes to this talking point. This team is going to be blown the fuck up. Has to be. Yeah. And again, we don't know which way it's going to go. It probably depends on stuff. Again, I don't think Steph's ever going to leave because obviously he wants to stay here forever.

It's getting so dire that if you told me there's a world where he ends up on a new team next year, I don't think it's a zero percent chance. I think it's probably more likely that you're right. Everything else has changed and maybe they finally get another star like an Ingram or whatever. But there's a world where shit gets crazy. man if I'm Steph I'd rather like I don't want to comment

I don't want to comment the only way I'm not like retiring if you try to trade me somewhere is if I'm playing with another like top 10 players well yeah they wouldn't trade him for bullshit you know they'd send him somewhere good probably I'd hope so man yeah I again

you're not going to predict that he's going to leave because that's just something that he's one of those guys that's probably never going to leave but it doesn't feel impossible like it feels like if it was any other rational player that didn't have that desire to stay with one team, it feel like it would be very easy to say, oh yeah, he's clearly out of there. Like, if this was LeBron, like he's gone as fuck. Oh, yeah, because he has the reputation to be. Exactly. Fuck. Exactly. Anybody else doesn't have steps reputation of clearly signaling he wants to be loyal forever. Anybody else

that hasn't made that abundantly clear, you would say there's zero reason to stay here. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Someone's a damn unc childhood fin to get ruined. Facts. Donovan's and ruins. I can't see it I can't see If Steph goes to another team It's gonna be like watching Tony Parker play For the Hornets

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At this point in the season... Is it a home-in-home? Maybe. At this point in the season, I never know what games are on. I have no idea of the schedule. I'm so consumed every night, people of these games that, like, I haven't thought a single second about games that happen tomorrow, and I won't until they start.

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I appreciate you. Speaking of consistency, here's my next bold take, a team that lacks consistency. The Phoenix Suns, my next bold take is that I believe that this summer, they're going to trade Kevin Durant. Dude, my bull take was Kevin Durant's going to finish the season as a Memphis Grizzly. That's hot. I wanted to be even harder than that. I want to be as hot as you and say like, yeah, he's going to be gone. in the middle of the season,

but I don't know if that's something that you do as a team. It's probably smart. I don't know if something you do. Oh, man. You go ahead, explain. I'll let me not step on your take. Go ahead and explain.

This team is fucked. They're scrambled. They're Friday in every single way possible. There's no fixable way to. You got someone who's making $50 million and you're not his boss. Like, he is like, he is your boss. He tells you what to do.

He knows what he's been paid. He tells you what to pay me. And at this point in time, like, you're at the benefit of the, will and on top of that too you have devon booker who is at the primevis career just once at the NBA final just a couple years ago and you see the mccal bridges of the world you see the christ pauls of the world you see just all these guys who are once with you at the top of the top just go ahead and leave and now your team is back where you're used to being at just like seven

years ago towards the bottom and for something like devon book i don't know if he has the patience to go through another rebuild or retooling at all. I think this team is... This team is soon to be in the worst situation any team has been in in a long time on a rebuild. No pick control until 2031,

but this team is going nowhere fast. They're losing the locker room. Shit's going back quick. You just hired Bud. You probably don't want to fire Bud right away because he's a good coach. If there's a power struggle, you might go with Bud

because there's no reason to go with these old guys that aren't working really well together. and we know when things don't go well Kevin Durant usually gets a new team we know Devon Booker is the promising young star who is playing like shit right now who looks like he's lost to step at 28 years old

we obviously know they want to trade Bradley Beale if they do the Bradley Beal trade and doesn't work God forbid they get Jimmy Butler and he walks this summer because it's still a disaster you will have absolutely nothing to show for yourselves I think they're heading towards a blowup and I think it's going to be an absolute disaster and I'm glad that you both have said this

because another one of my bold takes has to do with the Phoenix Sun's blowing things up. And I, my bold prediction is that one of the two star guards, Devon Booker or Bradley Bueh, one of them will play for the Detroit Pistons. I like that. I like that. I think that the Detroit Pistons are, I think that they are happy with what, with what Kate Cunningham has shown them. I think that now that they've gotten actual NBA players, you can see a culture building.

I think they're about to press the turbo button. I love that. I think that they're about to go and get somebody to put alongside Cade to speed up this development and try to make up for lost time. And the Sons are a perfect opportunity. Now, if that can't happen, they might, I've been saying for years, let's go get Zach Levine there. But if that can't happen, I do think that the Sons are a perfect trade candidate for them. So either Beal or Booker will play for the Pistons.

Man, they're in such a horrible situation, man. If I was so hopeful coming to this season, I gas on myself and thinking they'd be good. I think if they can be good right now with Bud, there's no coach that's going to make them good. I think there's obviously no roster moves that are going to make them good. Ty's Jones has been a fucking disaster.

They got through the traditional point guards everybody said they should get, and these guys suck and don't make them better at all because they are no threat at all. Ty's Jones can't defend fucking anybody right now. Shout out Ryan Dunn. They got a defender. he's been he's pretty NBA ready on the defensive end doesn't matter the bigs are atrocious

I don't know how you make that better you have no fucking assets you're in the second apron so you can't do many flexible trades you can't sound buyout guys even it's crazy there's just no way to make it work like I don't see how this doesn't end in the blow up very soon they're going to go sign Patrick beverly they're going to go find their point guard in Tel Aviv oh my god do y'all think it's realistic for devon booker to be traded is this like Is he the only way out from this? No, he's the most,

he's the, he's the longest shot to be traded, but at the same time, they have nothing. Is he a long shot? They have, they, if you trade KD,

I think you have to trade Devon Booker. Really? Yeah, yeah. Like, if you, I think if you trade one of them, the other has to go as well. I just think, like, Booker is,

if you trade KD, there might be some internal hope of like, maybe we could flip KD, into some stuff that like you can still build around Devin he's 28 he's doing all this like he's still kind of in his prime whereas you know Katie's older but at that same point Devin Booker is 28 in his still in his prime he is the most valuable asset out of out of those three so if you really want to tear it down he kind of has to go first yeah but think about it

if you trade let's say Kevin around requested a trade today and he's gone by the deadline what move is there out there that you can leave thinking we can build a decent team that can compete around Booker a spoiler there fucking is none you're gonna be bad for at least two years and at that rate

to have him Booker's 30 and then we're not looking at a young star anymore we're looking at a guy who the clock is ticking on his value so now you hope after two years of being asked you can maybe build something around him it sounds to me like you're better off just trading him as well

and fully getting as many assets as you can since you're not going to have your own picks and fully bring him down send you bookhole and even then like if you are able able to. I agree. But even then, like, if you do trade Devon, do trade Katie, you're able to, like, have some sort of assets that can, like, get them towards a 500ist team or whatever. At that point in time, it's even worth it. You're 100% right. I don't think it'll be worth it. But maybe it is for them because you can't just suck for no reason. You know, maybe they're just like, okay, D. Book, carry us to being decent for the next six years and just pray that he'll be happy with that. People in chat are saying they want to see Devin Booker go to Houston. Desmond Conn commonly talked about.

It was reported last year that they're kind of waiting for that. I would like that. DeBook in Houston would be cool if DeBook is still good. He's currently scaring me this season. He's scaring me a lot, actually, because we're 35 games in and he's still playing the worst basketball of his goddamn prime since he's been a good player. I'm really worried because it just doesn't seem like it's a small sample size.

I'm not going to overreact. I'm not going to say he's falling off because he's only 28. Why would that be the case? But I'm fucking worried. I'm really, really worried as a big Devin Booker fan. he might be low-key hurt you know people always I guess man

maybe it's coke but he's just missing a lot of shots a lot of shots I'm not going in and he does not look the same it's not pretty sight at all he's a tough shot maker

and when you're not making the shots at any decent clip it gets real ugly real fast what's the next we'll take Donovan is all me yeah I'm through three we skipped you a couple times

oh okay Me and Moe, both on three, you've done two. So we're at 8-d-old. Cool. Next one, the Indiana Pacers will miss the playoffs this year, and impending Doom will reign upon them. I think that the Pacers right now are in the six seed.

I think that one, I think the Pistons can catch them, and I think that they will. And maybe that's the ball to take that the Pistons will finish the season as a top six take, but I think that the Pacers, while they have, you know, look better, as of late than they did to start the season. I don't see it.

There's 7.3 in the last 10, so it is bad timing. Bad timing, but if you're saying the business are better, I get it. I understand, but I don't trust them. I think that they will be in 7 through 10, and at that point, one game sample size, whatever, you can get bounced out. I don't know if the Pacers end up being in the top eight at the end of the playing. There's a lot of trade chatter. It looks at they're trying to make a move.

You know, there's reported a couple days ago that they're getting the mix for Cam Johnson, which could be interesting. I don't know. If they make a move, yes, if they make a move, I would feel a little bit differently. But if they stand pat

with what they have right now, I do not think they would make the playoffs. Halliburton's had a good stretch as of late. It's all so dependent on a three falling that I'm always, I'm at the point now at Hallie

where I need to see it for like a 20 game sample size of him being consistently good before I get my hopes up again just because I'm so burnt as a fan. But I will say it's looking good so far. We're about halfway through that 20 game sample size

is looking good so far. Yeah, but I would, I think, I think in a playing scenario, if you look at the East and you look at at what teams are in the playing, like, I would, I would take Atlanta over Indiana, and I would take, I would take Detroit, we will see if Philly can sneak into 10, because if Philly can sneak into that is true, that's the big sex factor. And you can get like a really weird matchup there and they end up, you know, winning a couple games. That could be super interesting, too. So if those three teams are there, or if those four teams between the Pacers, the Hawks, the Pistons, and the Sixers, in that tournament, I do think that the Pacers would be some of the odd ones looking out.

Tough. I mean, we're all at three predictions. Does anybody have a fourth one to want to fire off to get us to 10? Listen, I got, I think, three more. Oh, you got three more. Okay, let's go fire them off. Let's go. You came with them today.

depending on how things happen for the Detroit Pistons if they can sneak into it's all Pistons related Top 5 seed are we looking at are we having conversations for all NBA Cade right now

no because the comp you said no you said that that's so there's a lot of good players there's a lot of good players but Kate Cunningham's becoming a fucking great player right in front of our eyes

he's averaging I think 24, 25, 9, and 7 a game. Seems like he's reaching up to, you know, standards right now. Okay. Well, I'm not a... Okay. Are you that?

So the guards would be... It's positionless now. It's positionless. Yeah. Oh, true. Oh, fuck. I forgot about that. It's positionless.

But you're talking like 13, all NBA? Yeah, 13. 13. That's the only conversation. Yeah. So, okay. First team, we got... Actually, Lucas, I got to be...

So many guys are out with injuries that maybe he'll sneak in because first team we're going to have Shay Luca, not Lucas, Shay, Yokic

Winby probably Janice and who's the fifth guy? Tatum. Probably Tatum. Tatum. That's the first team. Second team

they'll probably throw Dimitiannod, Jalen Brunson. You know, second team a lot of times his top team guys. Janele Brunson, who's the first thing I said?

Donovan Mitchell. Anthony Davis. And Anthony Edwards? Anthony Edwards sneak in there. He's been bad as a way, but he'll probably recover. So let's say him maybe. So then third team we're looking at

maybe a grizzlies guy, either John Moran or Jaron or Jaron. That this rate has been Jaron. Definitely. Definitely one. Cat. Yeah, cat probably. Yeah, the PR's there. He's making it for sure. Cats for sure. They love doing Jalen Brown, all NBA nods for something like that,

but he hasn't been that great, so maybe not. I don't, yeah, I don't know. They're tired of Jailen Brown right now. Sounds like there's being a conversation made for Kate to squeeze in there. If Lucas is not going to play enough games, huh, maybe you're right. Okay, I can see that. Kevin Durant.

Is he going to play it? Oh, Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Carlton-Towns. I forgot about LeBron. That's three. So there's two spots left. Is LeBron going to play enough games? Yeah, LeBron's barely missing any games. Sounds like there's a real argument for Kate

and I love to hear her, bro. Yeah, I just need the business to win a few more games in a lab. Yeah, I guess it's not impossible. Maybe they gave it like Garland or Mowley. Speaking of LeBron James. Speaking of LeBron James were rolling into my next bold prediction of this year.

Right now, no one knows yet. We're probably wincing the last year of LeBron James playing NBA basketball. You think LeBron's not retired this summer? This is his last year. Yes, he's retiring this summer. He's just not saying anything anybody.

He already, like, there's literally nothing for him to do. The Lakers are absolutely, like, cooked. Why would they, like, want to move move away from like two first round picks or three first round picks i'm sure if lebron was like it seems like lebron hasn't been like super adamant about like make them making changes like he usually is he just quiet to himself happy got his son there the other day he posted about lebron and he said my purpose how cute we love to see him bro everything is reached from at this point in time it's just it's hard for me to believe that lebron would not want a farewell tour

he said he doesn't want one you don't you say you don't believe him he is the biggest liar on the internet no i don't believe him no but yeah it's i can i can see i can see either way but the overwhelming majority of my belief is that he would want something so but i i can't see it though most right like the the pressure that he normally puts on it like maybe his the his last two acts where he was like oh i can rest out he's like i have to get brony into the league, and I have to trade Dilo. And now that those two things are done, he's like, I have to trade Dilo.

Because this guy just gives me a headache every time I show up to work. He said, I can rest now. And so he might be done. Right? He got one last trade in before he walked out. Who's to say? I mean, I guess it wouldn't be shocking, right?

I mean, at this rate, it can't be shocking ever when you're past 20 years in the NBA. Like, it'll never be surprising if he does it. And I kind of do believe it doesn't want a farewell World Tour. I kind of feel like LeBron probably thinks it makes him cooler or makes him better to not want a farewell tour. He probably thinks it's like dope that he doesn't want one. Oh, that tweet, that, that, that tweet after he retires is going to hit like crack. Isn't tweet? I'm done, y'all.

My purpose is gone. What am I going to do with my day-to-day life? Who am I going to worship? Oh, my God. He's going to tweet a picture of him holding a wine glass and the caption is going to say, Finn, period. That'd be kind of tough Oh my God Here we go That'd be kind of tough I'll be tough

Here we go I can't lie I'm crazy shit I love that I love that The real of aura involved If he tweeted that That was retirement announcement

Yeah Roll that out with his wine bro too That's that like That way you're just like perfectly Say it's next career No on the table On the table is a supersonic logo Because he's gonna be one of the part owners

Of the expansion team or like a Vegas logo whatever the team is that's the cost of the one this is fan fiction now this is not even bull predictions this fan fiction cut the stream

let's go home oh he's so tough man man no one can never do it like him he's so tough 101 for real okay I got one more bold prediction

if y'all want to hear it go for it no I don't open up your ears unc jimmy butler is going to be traded to the sacramento kings now stay with me for a second listen the sacramento kings don't do shit right apparently although they just fire the head coach they're in disarray right now they don't know what to do some like jimmy baller naturally like why the fuck would you want to go to sacramento and play with demontes sabonis and daren fox but the sacramento kings are going to be like we don't care if he wants to if he's not going to resign with this. He's going to be with this. He's going to have to be him a couple of times. He's going to want to

play in our Sacramento culture. Now, with the Kings give up. With the Kings give up, it's going to be DeMarter Ozen. He loves to be. See you later, buddy. Good luck in South Beach. And also either Malik Monk or Kevin Hurd. They're probably going to want to get rid of Kevin, though, because he's the worst player, obviously. You know what? At this point, I can see, I can see anything. And that honestly makes well i don't know maybe maybe de rosen is is he probably falls in the same category as like bea but like if listen darma or rosen gets to play with kyle lorry for one last year cinema man we make how larry's over here no yeah he's shit fuck you're right i forgot he's actually been one of the worst players in the league this year he's been so bad

yeah he's in a chance but i can see it i can see it though yeah at this point we're just saying the kings are fucking dumb and they'll do something fucking dumb so like sure I agree it'd be fucking dumb

and the kings are prone to doing that so I guess it's not impossible it's a good place to bet your money on but if this was possible if this was to happen

imagine a line of but be Aaron Fox Jimmy Butler Keegan Murray or put Keegan out the five and slide in Malik

Monk somewhere too so pretty good starting five so you ask me no it's not it's just not better than what they have now barely

that is a bold prediction though That'd be very funny. I could see them. When everybody thinks they're about to zig and blow it up and trade Dier and Fox because they know that's coming, I can see them zagging and be like, no, we're going to double down again. We're winning now.

Give me fucking Kyle Kuzma. Give me Jimmy Butler. Give me somebody that's not going to make a difference. I could a thousand percent imagine that. Yep. That's the Sacramento Kings. And that's all my bull predictions of them. They're currently spamming Moa's a baddie in the chat.

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