The Deep 3 Podcast - We Made Early NBA All-Star Predictions | TD3 Live

Episode Date: January 1, 2025

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December 31st, New Year's about the start. We're closing out the year with tons of comments right now, screaming late, despite the fact that we're a minute and a half early. You guys know how it goes. How are you doing? Bro. I'm doing great. I'm doing fantastic.

And I need you to understand in 2025, don't say my name unless you put champion in front of it. Okay. Last night, for the first time ever, I won my fantasy football league. I've been playing for over a decade this is my first title understand the pressure has been lifted off over a decade I feel like oh my god in 2012 this this has to be what it feels like that's a terrible ratio over a decade I know I know it's bad I think I want my first I think I want my first one like eighth grade

we're talking about the fact that I'm ring now right can't say anything else like you didn't the media has to stop talking You couldn't beat your fellow eighth graders when you were playing back then? First of all, we're on the same level. You know what I'm saying? So like, it's not like me right now playing eight graders. Nah. Back then, before the internet was like, before TikTok was around, the average fantasy football knowledge was so low.

In the eighth grade, I was piecing all my friends up because I just did the most baseline of research. Back then, 99% of fancies people didn't know what the fuck they were doing back then. Mickey Mouse era. Well, listen. this wasn't meant to be slandered chip day that's not what today is so listen one we're going to celebrate my championship two if you won your league let us know below we're all going to celebrate today that's what today is about about that league today today is about that the parade will go on this week by the way too I will live stream the parade

you won't be blocked and locked out of the account best believe everybody who's in the stream early everybody who's watching the VOD later on YouTube everybody listening on Spotify appreciate all y'all tuning in to the last TD3 live episode of the year today as you got to see by the title we're going to talk about the all-star game

and kind of do our I don't know if it's predictions or if it's who we'd pick up the season end today but kind of do like a check-in on where the all-star teams would be right now at this point in the year going to 2025 our early ballots yeah so we'll see I'm sure I'm sure

as always we're going to go into a different expectations so we'll see if you guys did it projecting or off of today but either way it should be interesting to kind of see where the league stands yeah absolutely um bro i'll start talk is always super interesting because the criteria is so flux on a routine on a yearly base on the yearly basis with some players yeah and i will say this year i had a lot easier of a time putting putting together this list it didn't take me like much thought process at all last year last year was like insanely hard so compared to last year this year is easy but as always there's some good debates that we'll get to before we get into it though shout out to wakene 37 for tipping four dollars and twelve cents we appreciate you

i noticed you always deal a hilariously specific amount of money appreciate you wakim you the realist he holds this down man facts here every single stream but before we get into the all-star ballot talks as always i have a td3 stream special we can go through all the new stories that we've missed over the last week that's the last episode and this time we got an extra amount to talk about because we didn't stream last week so we have a lot of new stories

the first one we'll go ahead and jump straight into it the Kings fired Mike Brown dude and a very... Oh shit man I don't know can I call this unexpected because they were in turmoil but I don't know if we expected their answer to be firing Mike Brown midseason did you? Yeah I mean it's the Kings

it's like it's expected because they do dumb things but over the last few years they haven't done like that many dumb things so it's like it's pretty shocking well they are here they are the 12th seed when they're expected to be competent

and they did just fire their coach you don't get to this point without doing at least a few dumb things so I wouldn't cut them that much bail they did some dumb things to get here and you know the talking point right now is Mike Brown's a scapegoat Mike Brown died for their sins

that he said he fell because they just did a terrible job with the roster so how are you off him about that do you feel like he got unjustly fired or do you feel like it would it makes sense something i will say is that when it comes to it's important to know who you are you're the sacramento kings you've had no culture no consistency in play like not the greatest star quality players over the last several years 10 15 20 years or whatever and for what you are i think it's not the greatest look because the second that you do have some level of stability

some level of culture some level of just like identity you know what you are you go ahead you start the light the beam shit everyone's like surprise you guys play the super fast base of basketball all because of mike brown now with that being said mike brown did not have a good season this year he did not put his players in the best position to win and that's super fair do i think that he deserves some more like he deserves more opportunity yeah i don't think i think it was ultimately the wrong decision because i don't think you can name a coach in an NBA who can you know, optimize this team to whatever the Sacramento Kings believe they could actually be. Yeah. The part that doesn't make sense is it was reported that they had tried to gauge a trade

market and they looked around. They test the waters on Brandon Ingram. They tested the waters on Cam Thomas, Cam Johnson. Everybody that was available, apparently the Kings looked into it, but they couldn't find a trade that made sense for whatever they deemed to be the priority for this team, both in the present and future. And once they realized there's no trade to be made, they said, okay, we got to fire the coach, because if we're not going to change the roster, we've got to change something. And, you know, the reason the way I just explained that is the logic. So there's some logic there. It's not completely devoid, but it's stupid logic, I think, for this team specifically, when, for everything you mentioned, Mike Brown brought them to competence. Mike

Brown wasn't like Frank Vogel, who was there because he was a second option after they missed on Tailu, and it made sense that Frank Vogel wasn't necessarily the coach to take you to the promised land. So if you can't make a trade as a son, you fire him bringing Bud because a bud is waiting right there. This isn't that. have a situation. Mike Brown is a good coach. That has been made very, very clear. After his time of the war is an assistant, he came back. He is a very good coach. So to fire him just for the sake of needing to do something in lieu of a trade not being available, it's just dumb process, I think. It was also reported that nobody in the front office wanted to trade him. The owner didn't

want to fire him. The GM didn't want to fire him, but they still did it despite not wanting to. It just sounds stupid and like they were doing something out of desperation, which is never a good place to operate from. Well, clearly somebody wanted to, right? Like, exactly. Exactly. You know, like there's there's at least one person. So whether or not the owner is out here lying and saying that he didn't want to and he's like, you know, we got to do something. Somebody brought that idea to the table and then people ran with this. That's one. Two, like you guys said, I don't I don't care about honestly like Mike Brown as a as a coach. Because like that right now isn't, that that's not the important part with what the kings are. Because we knew, I think, all of us try to be as nice as possible with the demar signing and the state of the kings coming into this year last year, you know, going into last year, all of us kind of said the same thing where it was like, I wish you guys would have made a move to capitalize on the momentum that you guys had, but they stood Pat. Mo was out here clamoring for them to trade for

Zach Levine, which last year, the Bulls couldn't give Zach Levine away. That's the reason why he's still playing with them now. And for a player who had all-time low trade value, you could have went out there and got an actual like score that fits into what you are doing more than demar de rosen the the way that they act is the way that they've acted for the last 25 years which is why they are the worst run organization in the league for the last 25 years it's the reason why they had the long this playoff playoff drop it's a reason why you are now here in this position they had no all stars last year you were coming off of one of your best seasons ever and you know had that follow-up year, had no All-Stars.

That should have told you exactly where your team was. Just because you guys were delusional and you guys thought that this team should be top three because you signed to Martin Rosen, that does not mean that Mike Brown should be going before the All-Star break. That's ridiculous. And so for the Kings, like, it's a poverty franchise and it's a poverty move. The other annoying part is it came a day after he criticized Aaron Fox in the media. And it wasn't even like skating criticism.

was basic accountability that many coaches would have done in the similar situation. He just didn't baby the star. He mentioned that we lost his game because of a mess-up, and the mess-up happened to be by our best player. We live and we learn. We all advise. He messed up in the end of the game. That's fine.

And, you know, part of this is obviously the fact that there's a looming Deeran Fox trade request in the air. Rich Paul and Deeron Fox are putting it in the ether. If things don't go right pretty soon, I'm going to look elsewhere for my career to be in better hands. So I have to assume that this is all related, that they did this in a way to not only try to salvage your season and make a move for the sake of it, but probably try to salvage their relationship with Aaron Fox. They probably assume that, again, we don't know the ongoing into the locker room. We don't know what Deer & Fox thinks of Mike Brown.

We have no reason to think he wanted him fired. Not going to say that. But I imagine the front office assumed that it would help Deeran and their relationship by making a look like they're trying to make change and get this guy out of here and give them some kind of fresh look. yeah i i can understand that logic completely and it would make sense it's the very like sacramento king's thing to do which they don't make sense but something i will say is like the thought process behind it's like okay you fire mike brown what's next who's behind this i feel like you don't do a move like this unless you have like an absolute better option uh waiting that you've been like interviewing and all that and you just been like lurking lurking and waiting paying on

mike mike brown downfall at this point in time and you don't have that you know unless they believe in their coast like that yeah and it's different than like what the bucks did last year where they fired agent griffin and then in the within three hours doc rivers was hired right like they clearly they clearly kind of knew in their front offices in the back rooms and everything hey if this griffin you know experiment doesn't work out doc rivers is here as a consultant we have somebody who can come in and take over the reins again that's not what this is and you said that it was a king's move i i agree i do think that like this specific decision is a very king's move. But it's also something that we see around the league where

you are trying to cater to your star a lot and you feel kind of desperate so you go and you make a move like that specifically with coaching. And I feel like we've seen in recent memory and even across NBA history, listen is not always the best thing to do and often is kind of the stupid thing to do. And sometimes you just have to tell your stars, shut up. And And, like, just be patient. Just relax because a lot of times players are impatient. Like, the way that they view the game is very different than how a coach views it or the front office views it.

So if you're trying to make all these moves trying to appease Deerrin Fox, who is not a clear-cut all-star year in and year out, whatever, yeah, like, that's probably not the way to go, you know. You need to have some franchise backbone to stand on. and now would have been a great time to start building that but they clearly don't have one. Another funny part about this whole thing

is Lou Will went on Run It Back, his show on Fandot TV, and he reported, which I don't know what's reporting. He said he heard, he said he heard whispers that they asked DeMard de Rosen and they come on the bench.

Streets are saying Mike Brown wanted to Mara come off the bench and if you know anything about DeMarter Rosen, there's no way in hell he's going to accept that after they paid him in the summer. And it's not crazy.

You know, the fit is bad. This move did not work. And if part of the first Part of the issue is he threw it out into the air that maybe DeMars from on the bench, and that also led to some friction with one of their other three stars. It makes sense you start to see things build up. And, you know, like you said, it's just more bad reasons to fire a coach because it's not messing with these stars and you're prioritizing stars that, listen, with Deeran Fox, who

knows who's going to be here in the six months because the trade request seems to be around the corner with DeMar. The move isn't even working. So you know he's not going to be here in a year or two because it's not going to be in the interest of anybody. So it's just a lot of politics in the air which sounds like something that bad teams would do for reasons that

this shouldn't even be the side of the politics that you're really worried about. Something else that hilarious that happened was in that Lou Will was in is that he said Deerrin Fox like, you know, and like had some

if you had whatever to say about Mike Brown or whatever the case may be, there was just clear frustration is what he alluded to. And Deerr Fox actually quote tweeted that And he was like, yeah, this is complete BS and these guys don't know what they're what they're talking about. And sitting here as a fan, all of us as fans watching this whole like player empowerment media movement or whatever, seeing like ex players seat back into like what these people do, which is like just report on whatever they hear and just like fall into this hamster wheel or just like sitting on their own based off of what they hear and just trying to get good leads. clicks and shit like that

is absolutely hilarious to see. This is more. The rats are eating Mo's Wi-Fi. Friendly Mo's lagging. No, I'm lagging. I don't know. Shit. But I hope not.

Yeah, man. I think Deer & Fox just wanted to clear the air and say that he didn't want Mike Brownfire. Like, he didn't go for an office and say, fire him. He just didn't want that little to be attached to him, which, all right, man, whatever. Something else I'll say is that I do, in general, going back to Donovan's, like, talking point,

I do, I think league-wide, like coaches are always given the short end of the stick and i think that needs to be like corrected pretty soon because on a yes on a yearly basis we always see some superstar like let get let let their team down whether it be anti david send his injuries or whatever or whether it be like fucking some some other star quarantine towns being terrible and playoffs or i don't know jill and brunsson having a bad series or train young having a bad series or whatever it is like these star players like when when sometimes when the lights are the brightest they always fail it's normal it's it is what it is you know and for coaches they have mishapsed they have certain things that

they do which they completely fumble sell a game hopefully not a series but a game or so and i think seeing guys like mike brown or mike boonhozer and whoever else you can think of who just got like short-sighted it's it sucks to see and we consistently see some of these teams struggle to find an even better coach in place of that in places their last guy. Yeah, yeah. All right, let's talk about a different team besides the Jack Miner King. This is enough King's talk.

The other breaking news of the week, the Los Angeles Lakers have agreed on a trade sending DeAngelo Russell, Maxwell Lewis, and three second on picks to the Brooklyn Nets for Dore and Finney Smith and Sheikh Milton. What was y'all's reaction to the trade that just put the Lakers back on top of the championship race

in the NBA? Shut up. You don't care about our reaction. What are you? What do you think? Man, DeAngelo Russell is the luckiest player in the NBA. Why? Because he keeps going back and forth between LA and New York. That's like, and his pit stops, he had one stop in San Francisco. Outside of that, yes, he had some time in Minnesota.

He's been in good markets for like a majority of his career and exactly where you'd want to be as a, you know, 20-year-old multimillionaire. Like, shout out to you. In just the game of life, DeAngelo Russell, you are out here. here, you are doing what needs to be done. Good for him. That was literally my first thought because on the basketball side, listen, shout out to the Lakers, it doesn't matter. You guys aren't doing anything crazy with DFS, but it helps.

It matters. It's a good move. They are a team that obviously needed a wing defender, had a less and less of a need for Delo as the days went on. Gabe Vincent knows how to shoot again, and Deelow's main juice on this roster this year has been shooting. The ball is kind of taken out of his hand. he moved to a bench roll.

J.J. Redclay doesn't like the guy and doesn't want to play him, doesn't like his defensive intensity, his attention to detail, all this stuff. He's been relegated to essentially being a spot-up shooter.

You know, clearly something that you don't want DeLo being in a perfect world. So with Austin Reeves, starting next to Max Christy now, essentially being the point guard and having two games in a railroad has over 10 assists,

just diming, now you don't need his playmaking. With Gay Vincent, shooting the shit out of the ball, and I don't necessarily need Dilo shooting and you can move him and really rebalance the roster better. DFS is a very good player.

This is the quintessential play next to LeBron type of guy. He's going to sit in the corner, keep those hands up. And on defense, he's going to give you good defensive intensity. He's a good help defender. He gives you some more line of versatility because you finally have another guy that's over six foot seven. They only had like two before. And it was Delo. I'm not Delo.

It was LeBron and Rui, neither of which are insane perimeter defenders. So it's just really no downside, I think. Three second rounders is a fair price. You're not getting rid of your big future assets in those two first-time picks. can trade, but it's a good deal for the Nets to get, you know, some solid draft capital for a guy that's not part of their future. I think it's a win-win. Yeah, I agree. You get tremendously better on the defensive end in terms of like player-for-player swap. It's not an argument there. And then offensively, too, like DFS is not going to fuck up your offense and, like, take the most crazy

shots. He's not going to turn over the ball. Like, he's just going to sit in the corner just like these, when they catch time out, fucking from the Bronner, AD, or Austin Reeves. So that's exactly who they need. Precisely. Yeah. Exactly. Guys who just know their role and can just like stick the ass in the corner and hit hit the shot 37% of the time. And during Finney Smith Jr. Has been doing that over the last like six, seven years dating back to when he was in Dallas. Yeah. Yeah. And that's that's like I that is like the biggest part of this because I think for the Lakers like we've seen throughout the year that I switch back and forth. Like we've seen them as a really, really good offensive team. We've seen them where they've had stretches where they've

locked up. And I like from, from why, the way I see it, you can be a team that just plays a lot of offense and not a lot of defense, right? And not really like try on defense. A lot of times, even though that one, like my Knicks are like that and it's kind of frustrating. But a lot of times whenever you see that like archetype of team, it's for a young team that is just trying to get wins under their belt. So you can kind of like real just like winning culture. The Lakers are not that. You have LeBron James, who just turned 40, shout out LeBron. You have A.D.

You have a team that has expectations of some type of postseason success. It's not about building, building like a winning or like teaching people how to win. It's about actually winning games. And that's what DFS does rather than like, okay, we have to build this culture from the absolute ground up. You know, so I like the, I like the sign in from that perspective. Yeah. And what's good is this kind of, the team was never one move away. this is a good setup move for another

they traded Delo but they still have other salary and they still have those first-on picks so if they really want to get crazy it's important if they're linked to a lot of these big men and as this people up right in here reported by Anthony Irwin the Lakers reportedly showing interest in Robert Williams Dayron Sharp, Walker Kessler and Nick Richards

that makes a lot of sense this team obviously needed a wing defender and definitely needs a backup big that can also ideally play alongside AD a little bit Walker Kessler seems like something that has a decent chance of happening because they not only have those two first-on picks they also already owe one to the jazz

that's protected. So it feels like we're entering a world where they're going to trade like Rui and one first-on-pick plus completely unprotected one they already owe them for Walker Kessler and to the point you mentioned that they're not a team

that's necessarily building a culture for the future. I think they kind of do want to be that. They kind of want to play both because they're not going to go crazy and trade for a star. They're not going to try and get Brandon run to play extra runs. Not even.

It's like just kind of I guess it's two timelines but not that kind of branding. You just want some padding, you know, for the next year. You just want somebody that can do both. And Walker Kessler can be here for five years. He can play with LeBron. And when LeBron's done, retires, you keep Walker Kessler as part of whatever the next era is.

So that's the type of guy that makes sense to go up one of those first-on-picks for. And how do you feel knowing that? Yonis Val Tunis is probably not going to be on your team. I feel fucking static. No more second-round picks. Thank God. It's so wonderful. I'd rather get the four games a year of Robert Williams when he's healthy than whatever.

Jonas Van Tunis is bringing to the table. You don't value post-ups. That's what's wrong with the NBA. The league doesn't value post-ups. Yeah, shout to the Lakers. It's a good move. Not the end of the, not the one that's going to change the world,

but it's a good start for a team that's trying to, you know, do something. Let's talk about some more drama. Y'all, Jimmy Butler today. What happened? Jimmy Butler practiced today, and he didn't actually practice. He pulled up and didn't practice

for the first time in a week. He was just there. Something that he didn't need to be there because, again, he did not practice. He showed up to the arena. And on these practice days, you don't have to talk to the media. There's not an obligation.

And guess what he did? He talked to the goddamn media. He talked to the goddamn media. And in this press conference, they asked him, is he happy here? He said, I guess it doesn't really matter. It's out of my hands.

I don't know if I can answer that question. And I didn't pull up. I have the tweet pulled up, so let me give you the specifics to what he said. But it was very, very specifically chosen words. words that I think this man just demanded a trade without demanding a trade. He said, doesn't matter. I don't think so. All that's out of my control, I'm here hooping. When they said,

do you want to be here? He said, I can't say that right now. That's so crazy. Oh, my gosh. Oh, man. He's so sassy. I love it, bro. He's so sassy. I love it. Exactly. I really do love when people just are who they are and you don't switch up because of who's around you, you just you stick to who you are. And Jimmy Buller at every turn throughout his career is this

this man's lagging. While, as a player he probably like, yeah, I'm probably lagging. Shit-ass Wi-Fi. Something that's hilarious is that a couple years ago. I don't know if it was a couple years ago. Do you guys remember when the Celtics bounced, bounce the fuck out of the Miami Heat.

I think it was either last year. Yeah, it was last year. And Jimmy Butler wasn't able to play. Pat Riley said this is Jimmy Butler in May. You said, if you're not on the court playing, you should shut. You should shut your mouth and keep it shut. He did. You should keep your mouth shut.

That's what I would say. And clearly Jimmy did not like that. That has been very apparent. Yeah. So it's like these two are clearly bumping heads. And I think, I feel like it was kept like under wraps last year. We all know, like, Jimmy Bowers are a pretty, like, silly guy, you know, he's not someone to take too seriously. And Pat Riley can come off as sarcastic, at least to me.

And I thought it was just like, you know, a little minor bickering. But this shit is literally imploding in all of our faces. And at first, I was like, there's no way in hell like Jimmy Buller's going to go ahead and get traded. It's probably going to play this thing out. So it was a Donovan lives in a concrete bunker? Yeah. Yeah. The other part of Jimmy's quote is he was asked, does he want to stay with the heat? He said, that's a good question. Who knows? I don't. But right now I'm here, so I'm going to make the most of it. That was the beginning of the quote. He said a bunch of others to soften it.

It sounded to me, I listened to the whole clip. Again, he didn't have to talk to the media. Why would he do this, if not to kind of respond a little bit to the last thing where the Pat Riley statement, where they tweeted on their official Miami Heat Twitter, I am not trading Jimmy Butler from Pat Riley. This felt to me like a little bit of response where, again, he seems to not want to rock the boat too much because he understands he's an old player that's asking for a contract. So he doesn't want to look like a bad teammate or some kind of like issue.

That's not necessarily something you're going to bring in in his state of his career. But this felt calculated to me. This felt calculated. It feels like he's trying to say it without saying it. Bro, this is who Jimmy Butler is. Do you forget what happened? I think it was back in 2018, 2019, when he was with the Minnesota Timberwolves. He, I think he walked up into practice. He got a squad full of G-leaguers and bench players and whoop the fuck out of the starting line, which contained Carr Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins at the time. And he also had like some stupid viral interview with at the time ESPN Rachel Nichols and he was just like lighting that entire organization on fire and basically like demanding yelling screaming

begging for a trade. Yeah. And this isn't that though. I feel he's making the clear effort to not do that. But he's doing the most he can within the parameters of how he knows he should operate. He might get there. But that doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. I've seen you do this in Chicago. I've seen you do this in Minnesota. I've seen you loki. He got traded to Philly and then like two weeks later was like, yeah, Jimmy Butler was calling people out in film study. Like it doesn't matter how long he's been there. He's going to be this kind of guy.

And it worked in Miami at the start because Pat Riley is, you know, this very like, I'm going to get out the kind of guy. Jimmy Butler's the same dude. But when you have two guys like that who are very headstrong and stubborn, right, eventually you're going to get to a point, especially when you haven't won a championship to kind of be, to have that extra layer of trust and belief and, you know, connectivity between those two guys.

So, like, if I'm bringing him into another team in two years, yes, Jimmy Butler is going to act like this. And he's going to yell and have press conferences and be petty and do all this stuff because that's who Jimmy Butler has been for the last 12 years. Oh, well, we'll see what this happens. It looks like they're not going to trade them. But I'm excited to see if this performance. progresses even more and we get some kind of some some kind of resolution to this but it feels like

nothing's going to happen to the summer yeah no it is happening though the jalen johnson leap is happening he is currently the favorite twin most improved player per bovada at plus 290 well take it away how do you feel about jalen johnson right now listen man listen man listen man at the start of the season i said that i concluded erlana hawksdog donovan i told everyone that not don't be surprised if you see this man go ahead and average like Scotty Barnes s numbers from last year remember scotty Barnes do he's not playing that much he's on the bum ass turn around he's so persistent he just wants to keep talking I told y'all that he's going to average somewhere around like 2010 and 5 and whatnot and that's what he's doing

Shay Goldos Alexander is a new favorite to an MVP per bovada shay is plus 130 over Nicole Yokic at plus 135 how y'all feeling about the MVP discourse right now do you feel like shade is deserving or you feel like it's a inevitable that Yokish is going to win it again? I feel like, yeah, I feel like it's honestly the reverse. I think it's inevitable that Shay is going to get one. I think we're starting to see this, like, whatever level of voter fatigue with Yokic, we're starting to see it manifest itself a little bit.

And the fact that, like, the nuggets aren't like, you know, top three. receipt in the conference like there's only so many years that you can be a high volume score on one of the best teams in the league in the conference whatever and you're not going to get the MVP you know shout out to tatum but like shay's going to shade is on that path to get it so it feels like this is going to be his year it should be why i said you know i said i said at the beginning of the year he was going to win it for these exact reasons and so it's kind of playing out that way well it just depends on where the nuggets i mean it's going to be a close thing it really is going to depend on where the nuggets fall on the record by the end of the year.

But I think Shay's best argument, like why it's him and not Tatum or not Janus, Chet's been out, and they are still on like a 67-1 pace. And I know people don't think about this because the team is so good and they still have J-dub. They still have all these other role players. They're missing their second best player. Most other people, if that were to be the case, if Janus was missing Dame the whole time and carrying his team to the first seed, if whoever you want to throw into that, you know, example if it was luca and they were missing kairi and they were the first seed that would get you

a lot of narrative bump and i don't really feel like that's being talked about with shay and that's the best argument to me yeah we came into the season you know talking about like their depth and just how like what rounded they are and also i think it's because people people knew chet was making the leap but he hadn't played at that level so there's still like a very large contingency that kind of they may think that the thunder still have their two best players that shea and jdub are still there rather than that has clearly made this leap he's the second best player he's that valuable so i can i can see why he's not like clear cut you know odds on favor type stuff yeah yeah i think the narrative's there he's just his MVP case is just untouchable right now

he has the wins he has the numbers he's putting up like insane efficiency when it comes to just like where he's getting to his spots and all at the narrative necessarily is not there i guess but who gives a fuck about that at that point in time because no one has a super strong narrative in this point of time right now in the NBA so it's like well yokech does if if they get to like a top four or five c yokech will i that'll win yokech narrative battle i think because the team is so ass and so mid and has so many weaknesses that if they can be in if they get home court advantage in a tough ass

western conference i think yoke still wins it by the end of the year because we're just going to have so much more time and so much more sample size of him being just production wise so ahead of god damn everybody but if they're if they're sniffing that plane or even six maybe i'd say yeah

right now in the making of this they're the sixth seed now i do feel kind of confident that they won't end up being the 60 towards the end of the season because Luca's got Luca Dodge is going to miss a few games

you know I'm not sure how reliable the Clippers are right now I feel kind of confident that they're going to climb up back to the four seed ranges or whatever and if he can get at least four seed I think for me personally that would be enough for me to give like someone like Yokage

MVP over shit yeah I think that's the line too it's good there's going to be some kind of the narrative there's enough haters in the air right now that are like y'all give it to him no matter what Well, how are we giving to somebody on a 60s? This is this going to be what we always do?

There's enough of that that might move some people that might have a good narrative push. So I think to fight that it has to be top four seed at least. Yeah, I agree. If that happens, though, that would be, I would feel so bad for sake because it's like, God damn, bro, when are you going to win MVP? You just can't escape this goddamn Serbian. Yeah, exactly. And it deserves to be that way.

Yeah, it's the best player. That's what I'm saying. like people are not like deserved MVP's if you want to go out if you want to go out and win it we are in one of the most talented errors that the NBA has ever been in you want to go out and win MVP go out and win it make it undeniable that you are the MVP like if it's if it's any type of close and we're just going to side with the player that has proven time and time again is the better player so you're going to have to do some stuff to make it clear cut like it's you know like we don't we don't have to start divvying up MVP's like oh yeah he has to get one and he has to to get one such a patient trophy. Go out and win the award and you'll be fine. Damn, you wife, I sucks, but I get you, you're right. I think the whole, the whole idea of people deserving anything

or teams deserving things, because of the record, I hate with the passion. Like, X team deserves X many all-star spots or X all-NBA selections or the team's record is so good, this guy, they have to have the MVP. I despise all that. Like, you don't get a pity party for not winning the MVP. It's okay to be second if people are.

And that's still a great, great, great accomplishment on your resume. Yeah, tough beans, bro. It's just like so happens to be. Every once in a while we get a generational player and they fuck up so many things for other really good players careers. We've seen it with like Michael Jordan. We've seen it with Tim Duncan. We've seen it with LeBron and Steph. And now it's like, Yolk it's turned just to fuck people's life up.

All right, man. Speaking of fucking people's life's up, the next thing you're going to talk about, A men Thompson and Tyler Hero gone into a slight altercation which was quite hilarious I don't know if you guys have to see this I'm playing it on screen right now Amend Thompson ragdolled the shit

at a Tyler Hero slammed him down like a little brother all chaos ensued today was announced Amin Thompson is suspended for two games I think it was terror as year suspended for one game and Tyler Heroes fined $25,000

which is hysterical that he was fined a down payment on a small condo for getting embarrassed on live TV and thrown on the ground with so much force that I know his shoulder is very bruised up

for him to get fine so funny bro you got you got swung around and you lose 20 racks that's fucking embarrassing and you still gotta go to work no wins

you still gotta go to work the next day a man at least get to stay home I guess a little rest Tyler Hero but he got a sore back in a sore shoulder too

holy fuck he doesn't go to work and think about it that's so funny that's insane humiliation and I love I love seeing this I said yeah

I said on Twitter we need to start suspending guys for their performance in these fights like you can't you can't get embarrassed and only get fined right like you you put up a bad show and you at least get a game to

I'm sorry someone said Tyler here can get the mic to Moe and Don to buy new Wi-Fi that's funny someone said y'all reach chat I'm always reading chat sometimes y'all just don't say anything interesting if y'all talked about the topic i would always respond to chat but y'all being here saying oh don't so tough look at his hairline he's so

fine what you want me to say that i don't know what to say was that was that was that a real thing or you just feel that way it Isaac they were glazing down they're glazing down like five minutes ago they're all they were all taking turns one-upping each other and they're glazed uh okay i see i just want to the Wi-Fi man you found my burner account it's nice Tyler here responded to this afterwards And he talked about what was going on He said Guess that's what happens

When somebody is scoring Throwing dimes doing the whole thing I'll be mad too And he had the funniest sunglasses in the world on If y'all saw It was these like I don't even What do you call him

Fucking motocross Looking sunglasses that Yeah He did Bad news He looked oddly suspicious That's all I'm saying I would not want to be around schools or any important facility when he's around.

I am good. Oh, my God. The implication is hilarious. Next little news story that isn't as important, but it's funny. Did you guys see Vick and Wemianama going to play chess in the middle of Washington Square Park in New York? Bro. I did. Shout out to Wembe, man. Restoring the feeling. This is what we need from our stars.

Ratings are down. Go out. Meet the public where they're at. You love to see it. He's in touch with the people and touch with the streets, bro. This is beautiful to see. I wonder how many security guards he had around. Because, you know, damn well, the Spurs, like, would not just let him out walking like that.

It didn't look like any. Unless they were, like, across the park to not be in the way. There was a lot of pictures and photos. It looked like it was just him. Eh. I don't know. It looked like if he just decided to walk over, just solo, just in the park, chilling. it's not like he was it's not like he was in a scary neighborhood either so i'm sure he's fine

westforth is kind of sketchy at times but yeah it was a broad daylight in the middle of the park i think he's fine i think he's fine you think they're going to shoot he think they're going to shoot down one no one thinks they're going to gun down a 7-5 b what the hell like is that is that he's fine like he's okay this new york b is like crazy he's not the president he's crazy security detail everywhere he goes it wouldn't even matter like he's seven five you know where he's what you think he's bulletproof because he's seven five yeah no i'm just saying like oh what he's so tough he probably dodge the bullets he can't dodge him that's what i'm saying you have to get other seven like if you if you get like six six feet security guards that's just like a circle of chris

paul's it's chest shots all day like what do you mean like nobody's protective you really want him to be protected Put some kevlar on him and tell him to be about his way. But, like, see any details if you do anything crazy. You know, like, I would just play in chess. Someone said, what about Lucas House game burglarized? Unfortunate. I don't know what to say about that. That sucks for him.

That happened, really? Yeah, he got injured. The next day his house got robbed while he was gone. Tough week for the guy. No, man. Listen, they're making plays out here. A lot of, a lot of athletes are getting their houses broken into. They're making plays out here.

Damn, Donovan. Solomon. So you don't want scheming. God damn. He said, listen, they got a method. They do. They clearly have a target list. They're going one-not-one.

And they're being successful. Like, they fit like eight athletes already. Oh, my God. Imagine you have a game. I don't know who they are. Again, I don't know who they are. But they're kind of cooking right now. What is this?

All right, man. Next new story. Steph Curry on the Warriors. He says, like the kids say we're very mid right now what a great quote from the guy

we are very mid right now man he's spitting he's old as fuck he's old as hell that was such a dad thing to say he didn't have to say like the kids say or whatever I know he just said damn we mid as fuck

as you fellow kids like to say we are mid yeah I'm happy that you realize Did you ever impersonate him like that again? I forget sometimes that Donovan is a diehard stuff for Steph Curry fan. I know, he's such a, never mind.

I'll say it. Yeah, this is funny. They obviously, they lost again last night. They had a couple games. They had a good week. John the Cominga had two straight 30-point games. They were looking like they were making some progress. And then last night, they got absolutely destroyed

by the Cleveland Cavaliers. To be fair, They destroy everybody, so it's not that crazy. If you're going to lose to somebody bad, you're okay with it being the calves. But man, did they get decimated. Man did Trace Jackson Davis miss a lot of layups. Man to Buddy Hill get his dribble destroyed. Man did Jonathan Kimmerg and miss a lot of shots.

It was not a pretty sight. It was not pretty at all. At the first half of this game, it was they were going like band for band. Actually, they weren't going ban for man. They're going rock for rock because it was straight rock fight, bro. Like, no one could hit shit. No one could hit anything, bro. but in the third core that's when donovan mentioned the guys turned up it was super interesting to see

like jonathan kamega give problems to evan moby he got him out like early file trouble but kaminga sometimes is such like a one-sided offensive player and we see like step kerry i'm not step kerry steve kirk try to empower him but they're just like a lot of his bag is so one-dimensional his bag is insanely one-dimensional for the fact that he like he's not that great of a pass or two. It's just like him and this team just doesn't necessarily mesh ultra well. I see the power. Yeah, go ahead. I am worried about Steph Curry. How many bad games is he going to have in a row before the pattern gets concerning? Like, listen, yeah, I remember right after the top 30 list,

y'all say, when y'all were yelling at me saying that he's better than Braun, he dropped a whopping two points. I forget again two. And in this game, he dropped like 11 points and made like two or 13. Don't act. I don't care. I didn't go two weeks without hitting the three. Shut up. Yeah.

I don't care to him to get that debate. But again, we've talked about it in the past. It's not necessarily all his fault. They have him in a really, oh my God. They have him in a really terrible situation. They have nobody that can dribble around him. Nobody that can shoot around him.

Nobody that can drive around him. Nobody that can defend around him. Nobody that can be tall around him. Like every single thing that matters around theft curry, they don't got. So it's tough. But man, if he,

if he's in the place right now where he can't carry this load with the terrible team around him, they just have no hope. Like, all you can do is try to get him another star or you might be cooked because he just can't be the only guy right now.

It's time to get that at the star. Brandon Ingram, he's available. He's available. Make that call. All right. Well, at this point, we're using the term star very loosely. What do you mean?

Stop. Stop. We're not going to litigate this right now, but, like, Colin Brandy Engelman Star is kind of wild. But anyways, like, but yes, they do need an upgrade to what they have because as everybody knows, we are in peak Buddy Heald cycle, which is like, oh, my goodness, he needs to be off my team right now, right? Like, there's a reason why Buddy Heel was available, and we've seen him in situations before where the team would actually need a player. that theoretically does the things that he does, yet he is time and time again and not able to consistently provide those skills.

And congrats to you. You had an amazing start to the season. We have like 60 more games for you to do that, and you have not been doing that. And so now the Warriors don't have any of the shooting and are banking on Kaminga to score 30 every night, and obviously that's not going to happen. So, yeah, a change needs to be made.

So I don't know, like, it needs to be, they just need some more creation, obviously, which is the number one thing that we've been saying for the past seven months. I don't care. I don't care. At this point, I don't care who it is. Just get somebody new it. Get somebody actually, like, decent. Yeah, man, they're a shit show.

Here's what it is. We've talked about them in the past, plenty. We'll talk about them more in the future, I'm sure. Just not a good team right now. They need to make something happen. Tragic. But let's not talk about gutters. Let's talk about some actual.

good players. And let's start the main topic of this episode, 42 minutes in. We're done with the new stories. Let's talk about the All-Star game, man. Let's talk about where the All-Star team sit right now. Okay, so how did you guys approach this? I viewed it as, I'm kind of predicting who I think is going to be in it. Not necessarily only what I think of the season end today, but this is like my predictions a month out. Okay. Yeah. I mixed mine a little bit. I based it off of, like, who's been hooping this, who's been hooping this entirety of the season and who I think will eventually catch up because I, of the, like, head esteem that I see a rise in over the next 10, 15-ish games.

Yeah. It's, yeah, it's kind of doing that. And now I'm, like, I'm looking back on it. There's, I think there's, like, one change that I would make. But for the most part, everything was basically who I thought would make it. Okay. All right, man. Then let's talk about it.

We're going to go piece by piece. we're going to talk about who we all have is the East starters, then West starters, the East Bench, West Bench, and we also did injury replacement picks because seemingly every year it is at least one or two injury replacements inevitably when people get hurt right before the game starts. So we all picked two people for each conference that, you know, it's essentially first cuts, people we couldn't fit on there, but we have a, they deserve it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's start with the East, right? Yeah, we're starting with the East All-Stars. I got to pull up right now. Here's our starters,

y'all. I have Jalen Brunson and Donald Mitchell as the guards. For the forwards or front court players, I have Jason Tatum, Janus, and Carl Anthony Towns. And I am pleased to report that all three of us have the same exact starters here. Look at that. Continuity. It's so clear. It's so clear. Yeah. For two seconds, I almost wanted to troll, but I was like, let me be fucking for real and do my goddamn job. My job for once. Jaylon Brunton deserves that spot. Oh, your thing about putting Trey young? Ah, not Trey. Nah.

Okay. I don't know. Listen. Jaylon Brunson, the Knicks are on fire right now. They've been on top of the world purely because of offense. And they have two offensive stars that are making that ship go. It's Townsend Brunson. Normally in Bede would be locked in here for this fifth starter in this front court spot,

but he hasn't played enough games. I don't think he will play enough games to make the All-Star team by the time it comes around. So I kind of just crossed him off. Maybe fan vote comes in for him. I don't know. with the Knicks media push that's been happening right now

Kat is getting all the hype in the world I would be shocked if he is not he might be the captain at this rate like he's gonna be right below Yannos with his fanbo captain he's gonna be close yeah

Bodega Cat is a real thing bro when with how he's performing how he's just like am trying to ingratiate and be a part of New York culture and all so of their shit he got it this year this is his moment

people are spamming Lamello K. Tyreus Maxey listen you know these are just the starters We still got a whole bench to get to that will probably have the players you're referencing I don't think any of those guys have an argument to start Maybe Maybe you could say Donovan Mitchell shouldn't start

If you want to go with another guard Just because his individual stateline isn't crazy But that's just because the team is so good He's just not having to take as many shots He's fine, he's very good And the team is amazing So I'll be very shocked if he doesn't get that starting spot Yeah exactly

You need some type of representation for the number one seed I'm not sure if the best team in the NBA anywhere because okay he's been fucking live one won like 11, 12 straight games or whatever, but they need representation and Donovan Mitchell is that for the starting lineup. Yeah, I did that a little bit in my lineups too. I've sprinkled in some politics of who I think, you know, we'll be. Yeah, politics. I love it. I'll never do that. I hate that concept. It's so stupid. You know, I mean, you know, like, it's real,

it might what happen. Yeah. I don't even think you need to do that most of the time. Like, I think Mitchell was also deserving. And most of the time when people reference that, the player is also deserving. So the politics part of it isn't even that important. I think you more so see that on the bottom of All-Star Rosters when they give somebody, but when it's a tough debate between somebody who has better stats and someone who's a better team,

sometimes some voters want to say, the team deserves it, go with the guy with less production. I despise that. I think that's so stupid. I think that's an all-star game. It's about the players individually, not so much about the teams themselves.

That's happened back in 2021 when Ben Simmons was selected as an all-star return young. I will remember and never forget. I was going to say it's more like in Ben Simmons rookie year Goron Drojic got it

over Ben Simmons that was a really That was egregious I hated That pissed me off so much Shout off the Gorin I guess One time all star But yeah nothing else to say here

I mean obviously Jason Tatum and Yannis are locks They're the two best players in the conference There's good guards here But not much to say here I think we can move on Chat is saying their favorite

Somebody's spamming bam You're out of your goddamn mind But outside of that I think it's pretty easy to say that this is consensus right yeah absolutely i agree i would be shocked if this doesn't end up being the starting five okay well let's look at let's go to the west artisan since we breeze through this here we are i have is the guards luka donchitch and shea front court lebron james kevin durant nicole yokic hmm okay so for the guards i have luka shay front court i got lebron

wemby surprisingly i'm the only one with wemby on here okay and then i got yoke For me, I put Shea and Ant as my two guards and then LeBron Durant Yolkich. I did not put Luca as the starter just because I, like he's going to miss some time. And so I'm not sure how I'm not sure like how much is going to be there. So I was already looking forward to like injury replacement who are we going to put ahead of him. And so that's why that's why I didn't have Luca as a starter. But if we're just doing like the thing, then yes, Luca is. he should be like on there

yeah hold on people are spamming why the fuck is lebron starting you guys don't know how this works he's lebron yeah which is also another reason I'm looking at like the west guards I'm looking at the way that the west looks

it prop like step should be on it it's in san francisco the warriors are the worst fans like step should be one of the he probably is going to be one of the two guards maybe the starters are largely fan voting so that's why LeBron is always going to be there because he's the captain every year because he wins the fan vote and the captain automatically becomes a starter so I didn't want to put LeBron here I obviously would rather put Anthony Davis or even probably Wembe but LeBron's gonna he's gonna get it it's every single year they've done this captain status LeBron James has been the West captain I like your thought process Donovan I forget that it is in San Francisco this year and the fans do have half of the same this shit so there's like almost no real way where I think Shay's probably gonna get the boot and be on the bench

and Steph is probably going to start. So in terms of like that level of politics or whatever you want to call it, yeah, like, Faust has adjust something and predict something, Trey's definitely going to start. He's definitely going to start. So why is Wembe over to Kevin Durant? Explain that to us. Why did you give Wemby to not here?

Because Kevin Durant is also like LeBron where his fan vote is outrageous every year. And he's also been amazing. Of course. Yes, he's been absolutely amazing. Kevin Durant, he's been doing it on both ends of the floor. But I will say, I think this is the year that Wembe has, he has real chance and real opportunities to make an all NBA team.

And I think what really put him on the map and what really made folks fans all across the association woke was seeing how he absolutely dominated the Christmas game. So I think talent for talent, these guys, there's a world in my mind where you could tell me where I can have a real legitimate argument where Victor Mianama is a better player than Kevin Duran. defensively there's no type of discussion whatsoever on that end offensively okay you can lean towards katy but overall i think he's he has the wins the spurs are actually a better team than the than the phoenix suns i think the phoenix suns are either like just below the plane or they're in the playing and i think the spurs 100% yeah they have a 100% difference the nice yeah right now right now the spurs yeah right now the spurs yeah right now the spurs Spurs are the 9 seed at 16 and 16.

Sons are the 11 seed at 15 and 16. So it's just a matter of games played. Yeah, you're right. It flexes. But I think Wembe's popularity is starting to really trickle. And on top of that, too, his talent is outrageous. And a lot of people are starting to realize, like, yeah, he might be like one of them ones already. Like the leap is here.

He is generational. Why wait and put him on the bench? That's true. We at the Wembe Glacist's Association have decided to kick you out. I'm saying, listen, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying what I think is going to happen. Because like I said, like, also like over the last couple of years, the third that we get removed from Kevin Durant in Golden State, the more his fans have like been able to come out of the woodwork. So you've seen a like a second push or you've seen a second push for KD fans and like proud KD fans. and so he's going to be

one of the top vote geters and it's just going to be like that So there's like 30 people spamming J-dub Have a fan vote There's so much J-Dash it's going on They're spamming just like 17 people Spamming J-Dubb. Shout to I tell you J-Dub Club

What the fuck is going on today? Shout out to J-Dub Club But yeah maybe Maybe Luca won't make it because of games played and we'll get Curry there That is totally wouldn't be surprising But other than that

LeBron Durant fan vote Yokic is Yokic but you know both side starters starters aren't the interesting part that's that's easy you know now let's talk about the benches because the benches is where we're about to have some fun

a lot of debates here we're going to the east you know the eastern conference is the weaker conference by far so I think there's more the bottom few spots are open for interpretation I think so there might be some debate here let's look at it for my bench starters

I'm bench players so you have two front court players I mean two guards three foreign court players and two flexes or what do they call it wild cards I put FL for flex I think they call it wild card so seven in total I got Damian Lillard Trey Young Jalen Brown

Evan Mowley Jalen, motherfucking Johnson Lebella Ball and Cade Cunningham Bunkers exactly what you heard Isaac say I have the same exact five from head to toe from back court guard to the flexes yep same list

Yeah, we all have We all have the same list Except instead of Dane I have a Tyler Hero And that's your That's hilariously fucking wrong That is one of I've never been

I don't know how many times Instead of Dane you have Tyler Hero I think you're I think you're pissing me off a little bit I think this might be the most enrage you've made me In this calendar year It's the last day of 2024 And I think this is the most mad you've ever made me

I think this is the stupidest What the fuck are you talking about What the fuck are we talking about? Tyler Hero over Damian Lillard? I like what Tyler Hero has done. Post body slam? Listen, I'm just talking about all-court production. I'm not talking about WWE tryouts.

I'm just saying the way that he has played this year, I like it. Why do you like it more than Dame? Why is he more deserving of a spotting name? Yeah, what is Dame not done? I think, and here's where for me, I tried to stay I did a little bit of politics and then a little bit not because I did because I did try to like spread out the love across the conference

and the only two teams that I gave vaccine I gave three top three three teams had multiple all-stars and those were like the three top teams in the conference everybody else kind of like spread it out but I do think that like Ty of Hero who's averaging like 25-5 and 5 on like decent efficiency like I think that's I think that's solid you know. Damila is doing the same thing but better. So I'd be like 26. Keep in mind,

Dame was a starter last year and he was, and he's way better this year. And I didn't believe and I didn't believe you should have been a starter last year. I don't know if Dave should have been an all-star last year. So I mean, that point specifically.

If you want, listen, if you want to put Dame in there, that's fun. Dame and Darius Garland were my two like first cuts. And if I had it my way, we listen like regardless of like injury

or whatever they wouldn't even be in this conversation because we could just put Franz there and then do it like that but Franz is going to be out of whatever I need tomatoes in chat I know what I'm talking about Franz you big Tyler Hero so that's all that matters

tomatoes tomatoes tomatoes tomatoes tomatoes tomatoes it's crazy it's okay shout of Tyler Hero he's had a great bucket getting season he's been the player we wanted to see his offensive offensive game has been diversified he's been their leading score

and he deserves all the props in the world fantastic season does not make him an all-star. And, yeah, I, I, there's so many, there's other people in this conference I put before him. Like you mentioned Darius Garland. I would do that first. Crazy.

Crazy. That's all it is. Yeah, there's spamming tomatoes in the chat. Deserving. So, there's an elephant in the room. We ran a little bit earlier, Isaac, about, you know, John Johnson and his ascension as a hogging. Whatever.

How did he get his name to, like, why is this fast? in the media world's world now you perceive him as an awesome the conference sucks not even everybody's hurt yeah it's Franz Wagner

and Palabanca are both hurt and they require a forward here at first after anything to not give the goddamn hawkster credit what the hell I ask you why is he good you say he's not good

everyone is hurt oh my god he's very good and I put him here over who else was in this conversation and I forget honestly there's not a lot of east forward so really it honestly is that

there's not a lot of options in the east like I guess you can think of Pascal Siakum or I don't know actually no there really isn't anybody else but he's having a great year he's up to 20 points 10 rebalance five assists that's really good for a second option that's also a good defender he's been pretty efficient 55% effective focal percentage right now let me see what true shooting is it's a 58% so he's above average you know plus three relative true shooting while being a 20 point per game score being a second option on the team that has been on the up and up to the fifth seed so they have that whole

this team's owed an All-Star thing it makes total sense they've kind of earned that but you know you could put Tyrese maxi here you could put so-and-so here all these other guards but you can't

because it requires a forward and listen the format did Jaylon Johnson right it has to be a big guy and he gets it shout to Jalen Johnson so that's the fifth seed Atlanta Hawks

I love the assumption now Joelle and Bid might get it Joel Bid might get that spot if he plays enough games so I can see that but I don't know people are fam and no Maxie I'm seeing a lot of that who are you putting maxi over lamello cade no max yeah maxi has had i'm sorry his year has

been like on the level of lamello or kate kate has had a very underrated year and especially as a late over the last like 15 games he's like literally ascending in front of our eyes and turn into like the legit star that we all thought he would be coming out of the 2021 NBA draft class people are spam ban caro ban caro played five games obviously pala bank caro can not be in all star. I would love it. And drop 50. Allstar. Again, if Palo and Franz were healthy, they would both be here and we'd be saying goodbye to Jalen Johnson and at least one other person on this list. But this is where we're at, man. How did you guys? We're not here. Shout to Jalen Johnson's first all-star birth. I love to see. We'll see. In our all-star birth, we'll see

if in real life. Lamello and Cade, how confident are y'all in Lamello and Cade? Because they're both on teams that aren't great. Lamello's missing games left and right. We'll see how much that stacks up. Were they, were those easy picks for you? Yeah. They were, they were easy picks for me. I think the only thing that could get in the way of both of them being all-sars is if you start playing politics with the Cavs and you say that they need to have three all-sars and then Darius Garland gets in there because if Garland gets in there, then I think one of Cade or Lamello gets taken out and it probably will be Lamello because the hornets aren't as good as the pistons so that would be kind of how it shakes out but if we're just going off of who I think is

actually an all-star probably like Caden Lamello yeah I agree I really want to put Garland here Garland fully deserves it I had him here this morning then you guys reminded me it has to be a forward to that last spot so I was like fuck I got to put Jalen Johnson in there I guess but Garland fully deserves it he I think he'll get there with the injury replacement but that's a good debate because Lamello's individual stats are ridiculous obviously not even ridiculous the volume of scoring is ridiculous and I think for a lot of voters that's like

the number one importance for it all start pick it's enough oh my god yeah but yeah and then on top of that too like Cade's production is actually there and we're like seeing an idolized version of what a star

chat shut up everybody saying RJ Barrett is a forward RJ Barrett is a forward shut up yeah cool he can go home too Hey, look, Hey, actually on my list

Yeah, let's switch it out. Let's switch out Jalen Johnson. We'll put R.J. Barrett there. You don't believe in that. You really don't. You don't know what? You don't know. I think I know.

I think I know. I think I know. I've been telling you all for years. I've been telling you all for years that R.J. had all-star potential. And now he's actually like kind of playing like it. Shout to him. If he gets into an all-star game, it'll be like a Mike Conley-esque situation where it's like,

you know, well, let's give it to this guy. He's been working hard over the last few years. Good, solid veteran, you know, does his job. RJ Barry's having a very good season. Very good season. I'm very happy for him. I hope he's a good long-term part of that core. We need to relax.

I agree. What happens to the game that I love? R.J. Barrett? All-Star? 2025? Come on. So, Lillard's obviously going to make it. You guys are-exam-vote.

Five-seed? Two all-stars? What happened to the game that I love? Like, shut up. We can make exceptions. So obviously Lillard's going to be there. Is Trey Young a lock because he's really inefficient And I don't know if people are super confident about him

Like could he get pushed out for Darius Garland? I think something that's kind of like reset in the league Is the league's hatred for Troy Young I think everyone's seeing him work a lot harder And everyone's seeing him take like a lot less shots Or it's considerable less shots Even though his shot isn't falling in the stats aren't like The efficiency specifically isn't as appetizing

20 and 10 or fucking 20 and 12 is what he's averaging this year and seeing him just be more or a leader than ever I think he's regained a lot of teams respect and when it comes to politics that's huge in these types of conversations and the Hawks are better too so yeah okay so Lillard Trey they're there Jalen Brown is going to make it even though his season isn't very good he's Jalen Brown he's going to be there

is Evan Moby's a lock because the forwards are so weak right now so yeah I guess it really just comes down to those last two guard spots Lamello and Kate that's where that's where the debate is going to be in a couple months. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And it's so flex for me, but it's more solidified between K,

because he just, has seen him is better. It just sucks to suck for Lamello. Between the two, who's better? I don't know. I don't want to say I would lean towards a mellow because it's, it's a different version of Kade that I see right now.

A version that I didn't think I would. Who do you pick in your top 30? In my top 30, I picked the Lamello. Yeah, but Kade the past two weeks since, I honestly think right after we made the top 30 list, Cage started going bonkers and had some really huge games. So he's really trending up.

I think by the time the Allsrigan comes around, if he continues this level of play, the conversations will be a little different because in the last, I didn't rank him to top 30. He would have made like top 38, top 40. He would have been in there for sure, probably top 35. But, you know, the difference between 35 and 25 or so isn't that big. So if he keeps playing like this, he's going to be in those combos. Easily.

Easily, yeah. Let's look at the West Bench. The West Bench is even more interesting. Here we are. I have Steph Curry, Anthony Edwards, Victor Wimanjama, Anthony Davis, Jaron,

John Morant, and Jalen Williams. Okay, so I have Steph Curry, John Morant, J-Dab, Anthony Davis, Jaron Jackson, Jr.,

Anthony Edwards. That pains me so much to say. And then I got De'Anne Fox. It pains you to say ants than all-star. As a flex. It doesn't matter. Flex isn't any worse than Guard. These are all the same level.

In my mind, I have viewed, like, guard as, like, you know, more superior. But, yeah. It's not. They're all just bench players. All right. For me, I had Curry, Luca, Wemby, Jared Jackson, J-Dove, Schengoon, and AD. There you go. Get into somebody on a team just because their team deserves it.

Yeah. That's the representation. That's the, listen, they are going to have somebody as an all-star. Do you think that Sang-Gun will get it over John Morant? You don't believe that. You don't believe that. They're number two seats at the Western Conference. Let's see, let's see if one, John Morant continues to play the games.

Isaac said, as I said this weekend that John Morant has not played five consecutive. executive games in like two years, in over two years, he cannot stay healthy. He cannot stay on the court. At any given time, he can be out for two weeks. So I want to see what the next two months looks like for the job. At the same time, yes, Sangoon is on a top three team in the conference. And that's with the also case to end. That's where it ends. I know. And that's what I'm saying. It's straight politics. I'm projecting. I think that Sangun is going to get that bump and he's going to be an all-star because they're going to look at the Rockets. They're going to look at the top three seed and say, fine, here.

That's what I think is going to happen. I think Sangu might get an all-star replacement for that reason. I think you see those politics more in replacing picks. It would be hilarious if he got it over John Morant for the actual initial list when he isn't better this year than last year. Defensively, he's made some steps. So he's been good. But offensively, his production, which is what most voters are going to gauge an

all-star pick on, he has not been better. better than last year. The only difference between this year and last year is his team is good now because their defense is outrageous. They're not winning because of offense. He's not dragging these guys around him up and that's why you give him that credit from the team. They're winning because the defense is crazy and the offense is mid. And what I'm saying to you is, I understand everything that you are telling me. And I understand and I understand everything that I have watched the Rockets do with my own eyes. I also understand that nobody really cares about the rockets like that so they're not paying that much attention to them and they are a massive

surprise that they are up here right and and again i'm not saying that as like disrespect to to the rockets i'm saying like league wide you're not like people are not like oh like tap down the rockets in that way and so when you look at them you see a bunch of a bunch of defenders but you know the sangoon is the quote unquote bucket getter for that for that team he's going to be the one getting that nod and like i agree i can that that's that's that's that's that's that's That's all I'm saying. He's not really good bucket. He's not really different way.

Jay the Green takes more shots. I just already envisioned the happening where like, oh, Katie rolls his ankle and can't play in the all-star game. Sangoon, there you go. Yeah, exactly.

The injury replacements are decided by coaches. So they're more likely to throw Sangoon in there. I don't think he'll get in there on this part, but I can see him being an injury replacement for that reason. Yeah. But it would be insane for like John Morant as popular as he is, you know, fan vote is a part of this.

If John Moran lose it to Saint-Goon, that would be outrageous. That'd be crazy. That would be what's wrong with the NBA. But okay, we have, we all have J-Dub on here. That's interesting. I kind of, I went back and forth to that. Why does J-Dub deserve it to you? The Oklahoma City Thunder are by far in the way

the number one seat in the Western Conference, like you said earlier, they're on pace to win 67, 68 games or whatever it is. and the load and ascension that he's taken. Like you said earlier, like the NBA, like our All-Star game prioritizes offense, but what he's been doing defensively while also, like, maintaining the same level of offense that he was last year being a 37% three-point shooter, averaging five versus being a secondary creator alongside Shea, and like masquerading as like at times a point guard, a two guard,

and even like a big, he's like the ultimate, he's the ultimate tool. toolbox that any team could have been asked for, and I think he should be a lock. I don't know if he'll get the fan votes. Hopefully he does, but he should be a lock to me. Yeah, I don't think, I won't be shocked. I won't be shocked if he misses it. Here's the thing, though, and this is, this is why I put Sangoon here also be, because fan vote has nothing to do with reserves. It's just starters. The, the coat, the, yeah, fan vote only, only impacts starters. After, after that set, the coaches pick the, pick the reserves. And so isn't it coaches and media and players split?

Are you sure? I don't think it's just because I was able to. I voted this morning. This is this right now. This is something that was put on December 21st. The fan vote helps select the five all-stars named as starters in each conference. The fan vote counts as 50% while current NBA players in a media panel account for 25%. All-star reserves are selected by NBA head coaches once the starters are determined.

Okay. Okay, so I got it backwards. That makes sense. Yeah, so Fanbo has nothing to do with reserves. So, like, that's what I'm saying. Sangoon can make it, can make it here. J-Dub should make it here for all the reasons that, that most said. Because even if fans don't want to, you know, acknowledge that J-Dub is great, people around the league do understand.

He's a fantastic player. Good point. Okay. Then if that's the case, if that's the case, okay, the Jaron Jackson is definitely a lot too. The coaches are going to respect the shit out of Jaron Jackson this year. yeah i agree i agree how do you guys feel about me having darren fox there after all this like turmoil that we win us with the case i mean you you love the guy i guess good for you i mean i guess you could make it it's not a ton of possible but wouldn't be on my ballot i wouldn't

put him over john moran or i wouldn't put you where's our difference here you put him over our difference is in um i don't know what yeah i don't know where our difference is do wait did i leave out Kevin to Rand for my list? You did leave out Kevin to rent, Bozo. Oh, yeah, that's a mistake. Sorry, Darren Fox. Yeah, that's a mistake. I was so fixated on the Wembe versus KD conversation where I was just like, all right, let me get this, let me get 35 by me. That's such a mistake. That's hilarious.

Someone said, people were saying James Hardin, I could see James Hardin getting the respect and getting the pickover Jada. That's a name I thought about. James Hardin and Kyrie could both have a really good case for that last spot. I would have them, I would have them as injury replacements. Yeah, okay, well let's go our injury replacements.

Yeah. For the injury replacement slide, we have both picked two from each conference. I have in the West, Kyrie Irving and Devin Booker, and in the east, Darius Garland and Bam, out of bio. We need a hero.

I got Tyre Hero in the Eastern Conference. I got Joel and Bede also, because you never know what the fuck he's going to be up to. He's been playing a lot better as it lately. Then, I show my respect to Sangoon, and then I got Kyrie Irvin as the last one. Time out, time out, time out, time out.

See, this is why I get pissed off. This is why I get pissed off. Isaac, not at you. Mo, you were like, oh, this is a trash take. You had hero as a replacement. You clearly think that he's on that level to where he can be in consideration. Yet from you, you were out here trying to slander me.

No, it's because you put Lillard off. No, it goes a difference. you know but you clearly are in this are in the stage where it's like yeah we're talking about like the top 12 or whatever and you have Tyler hero at 13 on your list and I have here's an afterthought you don't think of them as a traditional where I have Lillard right there in the same Lillard is not an avatar Lillard is not the first cut there that's the problem Lillard is not the one that's getting cut first Lillard is probably the first guard on the bench You can't even get it off.

Look at him. Shut up. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, your wife's crazy.

You guys kept talking. And you guys kept talking. His Wi-Fi so bad. You guys kept talking. That's why. And you guys kept being rude. That's spamming up. No,

because y'all kept being rude and kept interrupting. You're not. He's lagging. It's because you're lagging. Anyways. You're what? No.

I know. I heard you guys. Anyways. Dane. Darius Garland. In the east, in the west, it's the air fox and it's Karin.

Can we end the stream. We just go and enjoy it for me as even on holiday So I really don't want to be next to you or associated with you guys today So it was an instant or loss So it was a rh-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-type shit Unc is overheating the router Oh shit It's not crazy but here

It's just crazy to cut Lillard for him You could cut Cade or Lamello for Hero, I guess But Lillard has no chance of missing it Yeah, that's my big thing Lillard has an injury replacement I don't care anymore I got Darius Garland is my first injury replacement

I am certain he will be there If there's somebody missing it It's gonna be Garland They're gonna give him their respect I pull Booker over James Harder in the end Just because I don't know The team sucks So I don't think he's gonna make it right away

And he might say no to injury replacement because he wants the time off, but Devin Booker is still very good. The shots been inconsistent, but he's still Devin Booker. He's still the best part to not be there in the West. Yeah, I agree. You got BAM there too. That's so interesting.

He's been fucking terrible this season. But if he ramps it up, which I think he has been as a late, I could see happening. Yeah, I mean, I guess I could put a hero, I guess. I don't necessarily think the scoring has been better, but BAM is still an amazing defender. So I think if they're going to give the heat somebody,

I think it'll probably still be BAM. But I'm not mad at hero being there. I honestly it was the same process like sure let's get the heat probably they have some good players I can see one of them getting in representation not even I was like bam it's more so reputation based that like bam gets that credit as an all-star I could see him getting that donovan's trying to cool it down that big exhale was hilarious it lacked so hard you said that it was hilarious It just kept going for like 30 seconds. Y'all been making fun of me for the last like four weeks.

Don't really appreciate it. We're going to be real. You know, we're all friends. Not really the biggest fan of it. Feel like it's kind of targeted. I'm not sure where we go with it. To your Wi-Fi? You're being very mean to my Wi-Fi and nobody else is

Call your providers Not my phone, man Hit them up Cross episodes is what I'm trying to say But Yeah Maybe we can do better in 25 Maybe we'll see

I just figured I solely swear to keep making fun of every terrible Wi-Fi in 2025 I will not stop I cannot stop Wi-Fi jokes where I were set up if I had to be real just saying

Cedar pattern over the last four weeks I want to bet it now I wish Mo had lookalikes for us to set him up with I really wish you did I do I mean UFC fighters you wanted to you could make a lot of stuff work yeah but then I'm racist

Donovan is just more scalable because of his features me I'm West African Darwin looked like a whole lot of shit Donovan actually has lookalikes if I come out here calling every darkson player Mo then I just look racist then it looks crazy

Yeah, exactly. You don't want too bad enough, then. There's a lot of brown skin players. You don't want it bad enough, Isaac? There's a lot of brown skin players with a low cut and a beard, so it's easy. Mo, like, I can call anybody Moe, and it's going to be racist every time. I wish Moe, y'all, if you guys can find Moe lookalikes, please let me know. They're more lookalike of you than there are me.

I would love it if we can clown on Moe's lookalikes so that we, We can get some affirmative action roasting in here. So Donovan doesn't feel like it's him against the world. That would be lovely. So, chat, spam me up with the Molo Galikes. Every week. I'm saying right now, Donald Vitt just call me Luke and Bob Mutei.

Get his ass. You see what I'm saying? Is this kind of stuff? Is this kind of stuff? I send you guys to make, I say you guys to make this. He just called me questions as Ely. Y'all, he's going crazy in the chat. In private.

Because I thought it was between us. leave and you have broken the circle of truck obviously i wouldn't say that out now is that what we're stooping to right now oh my god he's going to say bobo you're going to run oh chat that's our all-star picks joseph had leave dawn in 2024 i'm leaving y'all i'm out appreciate y'all coming through that's our all-star picks see y'all next week big episode coming this week