The Deep 3 Podcast - We Need To Have An Honest Conversation About Ja Morant... | TD3 Clips

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

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This holiday, give more than a gift. Give AncestryDNA. Visit Ancestry.ca for more details. Terms apply. We have to talk about John Morant. Last episode, we did one thing we learned about every single team. And in that episode, I talked about how John Morant, I'm kind of concerned about the style of play that he's kind of developed into. And when I say developed, I mean, like the absence of developments, how we've kind of seen his room pressure go down year by year.

The jump shot isn't here. The team's kind of mediocre around him. Felt like they're going nowhere fast. And we kind of had a come to Jesus moment talking about where we're at with John Morant as a star. Well, the day after we recorded that, he got suspended for one game. because apparently they had a game where they played the Lakers and he seemingly quit on the team

in the second half wasn't putting in full effort the coach called him out after the game he responded with quote unquote a tone that was deemed inappropriate so it sounds like he said fuck out on my face I'm not trying to hear all that and they suspended for one game for conduct detrimental to the team

and that has led to endless discourse now in the last two or three days about should this team trade John Morant's or not even should they the real question is are we just on a path that obviously ends with John Moran's tramping traded. Of course. I think the, if you ask me right now, and you say, hey,

John Morant has, because what is this? This is year six of John Moran. John Moran has, has nine more years, 15 year career. Does he spend the next nine years in Memphis? I say no. I don't think it, I don't think it ends up that way. And we've already had one instance last year of if we picked you over the coach. Yes. This is the new coach. We are not 10 games into the season. You are beefing with the new coach.

We're going to get to a point where we start saying, hey man, it's you, right? Where you start looking around at everything and you start saying that it is John Moran's fault. And this stuff like this and stuff like what happened is very controllable. Yeah. From a certain player. And whether or not it's fair of like,

of whether like he should. have been told this and in the manner that it was or in front of whoever it was it doesn't matter you are the best player on this team you are the franchise player and seemingly quitting on your team again not 10 games into the season that's just a bad look yeah and he got suspended for what is i'm pretty sure behind the scenes conversation in the locker room with the coach and then this obviously happened in the media a separate incident in the same hour long span where they asked him a question about what they should do differently to stop the lakers in the same way that they lost if they saw that again, how would they go about defending it?

He said, go ask the coaching staff. Then when asked what could have been done differently, other than ask the coaching staff, he said, according to them, probably don't play me. The vibes are an all-time bad. This is just, I don't even know how to describe this other than bad vibes. Like, this is the definition of bad vibes. You are just bringing the whole mood around your team down. And I think maybe some people make too much of it.

Maybe some of us overlook it. It's obviously important to be the vibes leader as the best player in your team making $40 million a year. I think we're witnessing the end of an era or at least the end of a like superstar era that John Morant once was on just a couple of years ago when he was averaging 27 points a game when the Memphis Grizzies were the him, the Memphis Grizzies and also Dylan, Dylan Brooks were the face of just like this tough, gritty, annoying out the mud Memphis Grizzly team. And since then everything has been on the decline, whether it be the off the court stuff, whether it be him and like the constant engine. that he's been faced with over the last few years. Nothing's good right now. And I think that slowly when it comes to the play style of how a lot of teams tend to or are varying towards currently, it's starting to look like his expiration date

when it comes to being prioritized as the main talent while also not like necessarily being the best run finisher league anymore or not necessarily making a presence at least bare minimum felt in the in the pain anymore is going to hell. And with that all, like, happening all at once, you're being prioritized less as a, as a main piece. Yeah, like I said, we talked about this on the last episode of the show the day before this Lakers game. I implore you to go back and watch that Grizzlies section of our episode 165. Because the fact that we had this conversation a day before this happened, we got in depth about on the court why it feels like the John Moran approach is less effective these days. That's a whole conversation, right?

So on the court, there's reasons to be concerned about him being the best player on your team, specifically, concerned by him being the main scoring and playmaking engine of your offense. That feels like it has diminishing returns. He can still play some more and be extremely impactful, get back to all-star level. I'm just concerned about really making him the number one engine. If he could play an extra player

a little bit better than him and focus more on playmaking and not be so relied upon on the half court, obviously there's still a path to John Morant being a very, very good impactful player that can contribute to winning championships one day. That's not out to question. But everything else, when you combine those already small question marks that could find the best case scenario

where he's still effective, then you add the off-the-court stuff and you add all that, we get to where we are now, where apparently there has been reportedly tension between John Moran and the head coach over the past several days and teams are now monitoring the situation. So according to Shams, there is active motion behind the scenes of teams thinking this may end. And I 100% believe it. Like, yo, you know how crazy it is to get suspended from your own team? Over the last few years, the only times I remember that happening is very much last year

when the Miami Heat were like just constantly suspending. Jimmy Butler. That's exactly what this feels like. Precisely what this feels like. I think year before that, not to this degree, but Dylan Brooks was fucking dispended from the Houston Rockets over some goddamn bullshit. Someone said, Isaac downgrading guys, the secondary creator might be the new of the world from Mo.

I'm glad you said that because that is actually a thing I tweeted about that I, this fully is a pattern that I'm sensing a lot. We've talked about this with him. We've talked about it with Trey Young. We've talked about it with Lamello Ball. I think we're going to see an era where

a lot of these lead guards that I think their play style was kind of inspired by that era of James Hardin, Damien Lillard, Steph Curry to some extent, having these guards that are the main scorers and playmaking engines of their team. We saw a lot of era, I mean, we saw a whole era of guards kind of play like that where they're not quite heliocentric because they're not Luca than I built like that, but they really are the end-all be all they're playing through. I think we're going to see a shit away from that because it just doesn't lead to great offense a lot of these times. I think he's a perfect example. Yeah. I feel like that's, I feel like that's already been the case

over the last few years in order to be like high level electric guard you have to be one of the best shooters or passers in the goddamn world. Yeah, and I think the Hawks know that that's why they're trying to empower Jalen Johnson. They would like that to happen.

Trey is still their leading score but I think if they had it their way Jalen Johnson would average 25 he's just not quite there yet. They obviously, before the last coaching staff wanted this for John Moran. That's why they empowered Jaron Jackson and the other system.

Then that didn't work out, guy got fired. So obviously teams are sensing this. And I say that like a big overarching thing. I'm very focused on these few guys, but I just think you'll see if John Morat were to get drafted today,

I think they would make it a point to try to find a major score to play next to him. Yeah, that makes sense. I think it's a little bit interesting though because he's, like, he's a decent past. He's fine, right? But I would never look at John Moran

and be like, you know, point guard, like traditional point guard, right? And also, like, that's kind of just the way that if you look at like the history of the league, it's been like Steph Chaunty Billups Isaiah Thomas and like

there's a very very short list of point guards who are 6 4 and under being the best player on your on your team that's actually doing everything so I do agree with you it's also just like

John's in a different category though because of the off the court stuff someone said as Shay just an anomaly then yes him and Luca are an anomaly because they are two of the greatest players to ever live. She's also not 60. She's 6'6. Exactly.

He's also a... He's more of a shooting guard. He's closer to Kobe, Jordan, Anthony Edwards, that archetype. He just happens to be the lead guard in his team. Luca's the outlier. Luke is the guy that can play hard and ball. The rest of that guys are this era that...

You mentioned not a lot of teams have been successful with players of the size and the best player. 100% right across history. I think because the game was very different back then, they didn't really try that very often. I think the 2010s into 2020s probably saw the most amount of teams try to play that way. And I just think now we'll go back.

a little bit towards the other version yeah i can agree with that and then going back to what you said about job being flawed as a first option bro he's even flawed as a second option which makes it even like tough harder to try to figure out what second or what main star you want to build around him with or at least use him as an adjacent piece because okay like we all know he is playmaking tends to be one of the more underrated aspects of his game and for with how their offense is being ran he's not allowed to showcase that as much or be prioritized as that and then then when it comes to his all around like deficiencies when it comes to the shooting, I think so far this year, shooting 15% from the 3.9.

Yeah, it's not, it's not great. And honestly, and like, for real, for us, we can have, and we obviously, we had the conversation last episode, we can have it right now. None of that really matters because two minutes ago, which you said in terms of, you're just bad vibes. Yeah. That's the, that is the ultimate biggest thing. And I think like the closest or the most that we should talk about his play.

is in relation to you are not this good to be acting like this. Like you cannot be out here doing the things that you do, moving the way that you move when you are not like Anthony Edwards and the Tim Wolves, I've said repeatedly, they have taken the spot that the Grizzlies were, right? Like they were the young team with the very fun young star that was ascending and doing all this and going to conference finals. The Memphis Grizzlies have one playoff series win

in basically the entire time that John Moran has been there They've been laughed by everybody They have not won enough He has not been good enough to do any of this And even with how much The Grizzlies have stuck by him Through not one but two suspensions Because he was brandishing weapons online

Right Doing all of that stuff And the team still being like no You are our guy Yeah To be out here moving like this This is, it's ridiculous. Another thing about Jot, too, and you've had your own personal experiences that can maybe

attest to what I'm saying. You know, I can get into that. And you've seen, like, just how things have played off off the court to when it comes to, again, like, random stuff that he's dealt with off the court. I think we're also witnessing how much, like, of athletes have egos, that's nothing to be shocked about. That's normal. But with the level of ego that someone Jha, like, appears to have when it comes to being the face of the team and organization, and whatnot. I don't see him. It's hard. It's very hard to, for some like him, to average 27 and seven be top 10 in MVP votes back in 2022 or whatever year it is. And now you're being asked to

like be deprioritized and kind of just see the death of your, your ego take place. I think that goes to show you how difficult it is to be the face of a franchise for a team. It's not always just about ability. It's about ability, desire to continue to improve availability to be able to be able to keep improving, keep in developing, the mindset to be the leader of a franchise and you know, like take the unfair criticism that comes with that, like the whole gun thing. That was legal. He wasn't in the wrong necessarily in terms of like what's actually allowed in the world, but there's a different standard when you're an NBA star leading a franchise. You have to be okay with that, not take that criticism and then like lash out because of it like he did. He obviously

didn't take that well ever. There's so many combined factors that go into having the position he had and maintaining it. And I think just a lot of those things outside of the play, really including the play that we talked about, he just hasn't really been there for. And so now, like, if you're Memphis, because especially after both of the gun incidents and both of those suspensions, you made the choice, like,

it doesn't matter, you're still our guy, we're going to continue on with this core of you, Bain, Triple J, and then we'll see what happens. You've already moved off of Desmond Bain. You've signaled to the world that, hey, we're kind of open. And our situation is very, very fluid. I don't really know what to do.

If you were Memphis right now, would you trade them? Well, I don't know. So there's just multiple factors here. Everything we're talking about, it makes sense to trade them if you were just sick of this experience, right? We can't really know, I think, how much appetite they have for this when they're smoke, there's fire. So clearly it's causing some Riff. Other part is as we see by this report, which I don't know if it's more speculation, an informed speculation by Brian Windhorst, but he says or thinks he's not expecting a robust trade market if the greases were to shop him.

That probably makes it hard to trade them. You don't really want to get rid of him for nothing. I saw someone make the comparison that might have to be like when the Maverish traded KP and they basically just dumped him and split him into two smaller salaries I made them a little more flexible

if that's a type of trade probably not you might as well keep running it back you've already fired one coach you're invested in him you have no real path forward outside of that so you might as well keep it running

and there is an element that I saw a lot of Grizzies fans talking about this the city does love him he is a big part of the franchise like the fans aren't giving up on him so if you were to do that you would be ripping an era

to shreds and just deciding it's not worth it for us as a franchise when I don't know if the temperature of the team and the small market is ready for that. Oh yeah, best believe. If you trade John Morant, you're going back to Vancouver. You're not allowed in the States no more.

It would be a, it would be a, it's not a Luca situation. They wouldn't be like outrage like that, but I think it would be a hard pill to swallow for their fans. And that's fair, but like, I could go to a Memphis game or I can watch. You can just watch what is going on with the Grizzlies like this from afar and be online and just be like damn you live like this like that's that's tough right

i would i would hate to to be in this situation where even the last time that we saw jah and you know him like feeling feeling good one there was another like finding and suspension because because of the of the new celebration and then afterwards they were getting ran off the floor in a in a playoff series against the thunder where there were moments in that in that series early on in that series where it looked like joe quit and so i i get it it's your guy you drafted him number two overall it was supposed to be like him and zion going number two and up until this point he's been better than than zion so like you kind of feel like you have a win there but if you finish this season yeah especially with how competitive the west is and you are the ninth seed yep and you

get 60 games of jaw, a bunch of them taken away from either suspension or injury every other night. And to his credit, he was playing a majority of these first, you know, six, six games. But if that is ultimately what your life is going to be for the next three to four years, and you know, okay, we'll be in the playing, we'll maybe get up to the seventh seed, we'll play Denver or OKC in the first round, losing a respectable five. I don't know if I would want to do that. think the Memphis Grizzies are a very smart organization. I think they're one of, if I also like have a ranking of top 10 smartest front offices, I would 100% put the Grizzies there just based off of all the smart out of edge moves that they've made over the last few years. I would agree.

And I think this team specifically would be smart enough to do what you said, which is just be middling, be somewhat relevant or whatever, have a nitty gritty five game playoff series or six game playoffs series or whatever it might be and just stick it out for the next year maybe two years and the second that his value seems the highest or if there's like a clear outlet to go ahead and trade him do that like get rid of him when his value was the highest because right now you're right like there's no team that would really trade for him and like give you up any give up any real assets in the back end yeah they're certainly considering it right like you said they're smart for an office they understand everything we're saying that on paper it makes total sense to get rid of him

and rip the band it off for the leadership reasons, for the on-court product, for the team does not being good enough and there's no path to them being good enough. Like, it totally makes sense. I guarantee you they're thinking about it. But I also think it's probably not as simple as some people were like,

get them out of your, trade them. Yeah. Just like you said, timing reasons, value reasons. Like, it's not an easy choice that people are making it out to be. No, it's not. And especially when,

when the fan base is like super connected, like I do get it. And you're in this new experiment where even if the vibes are wrong, You still want to see if it's, if it's going to work, right? You still want to see. It is only six games. Yeah, we can, we can get to Christmas and we'll be okay.

That's the point. If this, if this is this bad and, like, the vibes up doesn't get any better and they're just still having issues with the second coach by Christmas, oh, he's cooked. If this is the case, by January 1st, I will up here saying, I'll be shocked if it doesn't get traded. A hundred and ten percent. Like, because at that point, if that's the case, then what are you going to do, fire your assistant coach who was then brought up to be the head coach?

You can't do that. Fire the GM. Just keep finding people that are not Jammer rant to blame. Yeah, that's OD. You can't do that at all. You know you're trading.

He's like, what would I do? We already, Desmond Bain had to die for this already. He's like, what I have to do? We're looking around. We're finding bodies to drop. Yeah, exactly. And I think regardless of the situation for Memphis Grizzies fan, but fans, like, you have to understand this is probably not going to be the best

version of your basketball team. The best players on your team who will, who you hope to carry you to a Western conference finals or whatever it is, some players may be here, but you don't have like the guy necessarily yet but you're very well in position to do that because they have like five first round picks or maybe four first round picks from the Orlando Magic

you have so many assets around that you have a star rookie and such a coward as well who's making noise. Jaron Jackson Jr. still there's still there as well like you got pieces right there's always like therapy the job whisper there's like the Jock stopper

right somebody who can who can fix him or who can stop him on the court the only person who is able to get into the mind of job and keep him level. It's somebody who is crazier than him, and that's Dylan Brooks. You have to go get Dylan Brooks. Honestly, you're right.

Also, I saw the tweet. You remember when they let Dylan Brooks go? And they were like, Dylan Brooks would not be brought back to this organization under any circumstances. That's so ridiculous. And he's been great. I really want him in the Lakers. Like, Dylan Brooks is one of the more promising assets from that era.

He's going to be on winning teams for a while. They're surely going to trade them. Yeah. That's what they need. need again someone who will set the tone you need someone who will go ahead and build back your culture and do the dude get the dude who started it with john moran some of the chas said some of the chas said honestly i like the trio of cedric coward jalen wells and zach edie more than the duo of john moran and jaron jackson jr that is what i call terminal NBA nerd brain because i totally see

what you mean if you have a team led by those three you're going nowhere fast i do like those players a lot i love that as a supporting cast yeah but like if we're going to trade jaron and john moran we got to find some stars to lead those guys. That's nasty. Also, if I'm Brooklyn, I'm picking up the phone tomorrow. Like, I understand I just drafted 18 million point guards. I'm trading 17 million of them. Yeah.

I would do that. That's a fun thing then. Let's pivot to that real quick before we end the John Morant talk. I'm going to name you some NBA teams. You let me know if you think they should be in the market for John Morant. So asset, fit, contracts aside, just like, would you want to see them consider a John Morant trade? Do you like to fit in theory on the surface?

Miami Heat's no you don't want to see them get their star guard pairing with Bam pairing with Tyler Hero bro they don't even treat cola wear right right now and they have them they have them locked up yeah if they got no appetite for malfeasance for their players yeah if the heat traded for John Moran it would be like an episode of scared straight where Pat Riley's just pulling up to John Moran's house every morning if I'm suicide suicide you better run the funniest thing is the assistant coach that brought in that off ball no pick and roll offense last year now works with the Miami Heat and they're not running it. If we said John Morant, you hated this offense last year. We fired the coach

because of it. But now we're going to send you to the heat where you got to do it again. And they're mean. That would just be hilarious. It's like that video of him with the hand up and then they switch angles. Yeah. We got you. We got this around it. You can't escape Noah LaRoche. This motherfucker is Freddie Krueger in your dreams, John. So yeah, I wouldn't like it for John. Yeah, I'm out on the heat. Wouldn't like it for jaw at all. The relationships would not work there at all. That's not the, unless he needs that. I don't think he's the type of guy response to that so I don't think he doesn't need that. Not at all. I think he would hate Pat Riley. Orlando Magic. No. No. No. Hell no. They already have their own internal issues that they

need to figure out. They already have the biggest Pallelvin Carroll question that they need to answer immediately have to prioritize Franz Wagner. You're trying to get better shooting. Why would you go ahead and draft or trade for a 15% shooter? Exactly. Every, every scouting department has their their template of what kind of guy that they want in the building. If you are the Orlando Magic, anybody who shoots under 36% from three, you're off the board at this point. Like you said, we have too

many of them. I think to do this for this size of a contract that I have to trade one of their most important players. And they just got a dozen ban. They're not trading Palo Bancaro. If this Orlando Front Office trades Franz Wagner for John Morant, oh my God, we need a storm Orlando. We need to tear things down. That would be the worst trade of all time. Trading away?

Oh, my God, Frantford. Oh, no, they can't do that. That would be the worst trade of all time. And I don't know how else they would do it. Like, unless you want to have four massive contracts, that would be a terrible team construction. Houston Rockets. That is interesting, but I think ultimately I might say no. I'm saying no.

Damn, we can't find anywhere that should get him. Who wants me? Boston Celtics. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Dude, him and Joe Mazua? Cinema. I would need to be a part of those practices. I would need to see those.

I need to see it. The money would be, again, four big contracts counting Derek White. That would be an insane Russia construction. What the hell would John Moran and Jalen Brown talk about? What would their conversations look like? Speaking different languages. How upset on a daily basis would Derek White be? Derek White gets upset.

He looks like he can't have a bad day. I would find a way. I would say no. Portland. That is very interesting. Do you want to give up on scoot and have John Morant come in there, be their point guard the future. Okay. So if you asked me two weeks ago, I would have said yes. Okay. However, due to recent circumstances, I think they have too much going on to bring in some more stuff.

I don't think they can handle it right now. We have enough on your player. Their PR team is already stressed to the brim. No more conflict. We can't do it. That is a fair point. Timberwolves. Pair him with Anthony Edwards. Get these two dynamic creators that can create a paint touch every five seconds. That is very popular. Get Rob Dillingham over there in Memphis. Give me a chance to get some touches. Get him a good screener and Rudy Gobert. I might like it but I think I'm just going to pass on it again I think if you do that you probably have to move

Julius Randall otherwise you have too many big contracts or Jada McDaniels and I ain't doing that I'm damned without doing that no no you yeah you have to keep oh yeah Julius would be gone so even if you traded Randall I would kind of be okay with it unless you ship Gobert out but I don't know who wants him at this point to get him as old Gobert represents too much for your team he

is the backbone of that yeah I think I think I might do it He looked horrible this year. The clock is ticking from Rudy Gaubert. He looks slow. Yeah, I think I would do it because that problem at point guard is so, it's so glaring. And you know that, like, Aunt can be good enough, but I don't want him to, I don't want to force Ant to be in a Devon Booker situation where we get to next year. And now we're like, hey, Aunt, you developed a three-point shot.

You're working on your post game. Play point guard for us. I don't want to do that. I think the logistics are complicated for the Timberwolves. You have to get rid of one of your really expensive bigs. I don't know how that would work. But on paper, being next to Anthony Edwards is probably the best case scenario for John Morant. That's probably like the one place we can send him that I think would be good for him.

Yeah. And that would relieve so much stress off of Anthony Edwards. He would give way more effort, not to say he's bad defensively, but he could be legitimately like one of the best defenders because he has something like John Moran literally handling out the pick and roll offense and being offensive within his own. That would change Anthony Edwards' life. But I wouldn't want to see it, though. Phoenix Suns. Do you think they want to restart this rebuild real fast again? I would do it.

And I think if I'm the Suns, they for sure have already had three meetings about it. They're dying to send Zoom calls. Mind you, one of them has just been in Isbia's head. I'm sure he's talked to himself about it plenty of times. But I would do it. I would. I think that they are at this point, what do we have to lose? Like, I'm, I'm a whole thing.

What are you training for, Chalo? I don't know. I think it doesn't matter. You're right. I'm not talking about the Sun's asses. I would do it. I would try it. Sacramento Kings.

Do you want to see them bring John Morant in, pairing with the bonus? Why not? What do you have to lose? Yeah. I want to see them do the opposite of this. I want to see them ship all their good players elsewhere.

If they get John Morant, you're sending him to hell. You're sending John Morant to Sacramento to die slow. And if I'm Memphis at this point, it's like, hey, man. We had our time, but I got to let you go. Yeah, I would do that. If you really love me, you'll come back, you know.

But I, if I'm Sacramento, know, depending on who I was giving up, yes. It doesn't matter. What do you have to, like, hold on to? That's also true. And we talk a lot about, dang, like, can you really just live like this? I can't live this entire season with DeRosen and Levine hoops again. I can't do it.

Yeah. The alternative, Jha isn't the only other option there. We can do some other stuff besides DeRosen, Levine, and Jha. But you know that they always try to trick themselves into thinking that they, like, can be sneaky competitive. And so they're like, listen, Jha, can't. Kigem Murray, it's a bonus. They've seen this story before. So is it

Sacramento is the shadow realm, facts. Rims tremble and fear when Janus and Jahl come to the paints. Would you trade Ryan Rollins for John Morant straight up? Right now, that's crazy. But I would tell you no. All things considered, I don't know. All factors at play.

Honestly. No. Oh, I say that's kind of a half a joke. But you have one all in move with this Janus thing to try to save him staying? John Moran's not where I'll push those chips in. That's not worth it at all.

I'm good. We're looking real good with a lot of shooters. This is not the player I want to put next to them. Exactly. I have a good shooter making $4 million. Why would I trade for a non-shooter making $45? I'm not doing this? Nope.

I want anybody else, actually.