The Deep 3 Podcast - We Need To Talk About Kevin Durant | Ep. 36

Episode Date: May 12, 2023

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So it is Thursday, May 11th, 9.18 p.m. Pacific time. And as we're recording this, the Phoenix Suns just got their season ended in the most embarrassing fashion for the second year in a row by the hands of a European star. What are y'all thinking right now? They're getting a back blown out right now. Straight back shots to the liver. Like, it's insane right now. That's crazy. That's crazy.

Oh, my God. That's tough. for those who somehow don't know, the Phoenix Suns just lost game five to, or game six, I'm sorry, to the Nuggets. They were down by 30 at halftime, and I don't even know what the final score is because we're recording it's in the fourth quarter

because that much real blowout. And it is just the most embarrassing loss of a second year in a row. Essentially the same thing that happened in them last year when they lost to the Mavericks in the conference finals or in the second round. I can't get anything right. Basically, this team is on fraud watch.

Oh, no, no, no. Every seven, he cut the lead to 27. They are not on fraud watch. They are not on fraud watch. They are fraudulent For sure They are they're fraudulent And I don't even

I don't even know if it's like This is back to back years That you have come out With your season on the line At home And you get embarrassed like this This is just a part of your DNA So I don't even know

I don't I don't know if we can call them fraudulent This is This is who they are This is You're right at a certain point People tell you who they are And you got to listen Exactly

Yeah Oh No they're done They're done I told you guys I think that the championship window is closed I think that it's done I do I do

I think again DeAndre Aitin is walking out the door before anybody else does tonight and he's on his flight to Cancun before everybody else Chris Paul is going to age even more over the offseason

and it's going to get even worse than what he was this entire season and the same thing that you saw this year is the same thing that happens like clockwork he's going to get hurt in the playoffs you cannot trust him so what are you going to do when Chris Paul's hurt again

when Kevin Durant is hurt again and when Devin Booker's not making 80% of his shots you are going to get folded up and packed up in the second round every single year they're done they're done man listen I have a lot to say about this topic before we go to that and we just like obliterate this organization from the top down

I will say Devin Booker proved that he might be pushing like top 10 player status this series he like you said when Devin Boker's not making all the shots that's because he made all the shots this series he was incredible so before we say all the negative stuff let's go and put that out there

respect respect for him everybody else listen here Kevin Durant is under the biggest microscope I have ever put on Kevin Durant right now he's a suspect

of what did you see fraud watch that's what he's suspect with the fraud watch this man Kevin Durant last year listen I don't like to get super hyperbolic and in the moment like this But last year, he got swept out of the first round by the Celtics.

This year, look at those box scores and just the boxers. Even if he didn't watch the games, this was not a good series by Kevin Durant. And if you watch the games, he was incredibly passive. He was Devin Booker's sidekick, which is okay because Devin Booker's a lead ball handler. But Kevin Durant was straight up not good in almost every facet of the game this series. I don't know what this says about him, but it says something. It says that he's not. I feel like coming into the playoffs, even though they can.

was hurt, there was a legitimate argument for the way that he was playing on both ends of the floor that he could probably be maybe the best player in the world. Like if, like if you really wanted to make that argument, there were ways around it to where you can do that. I think that he was comfortably in this like four-man tie for second. That's over. That's over. That's over. There's, there's better players than he is. In this game alone, I'm looking at the box score right now. He hasn't even attempted a three and I think that that's that's crazy right that's like regular season jimmy butler type stuff where i'm just i'm just not going to do it and it's listen if you're not chucking threes when you're down by 30 i don't know when a better time to do that is and see i don't

even care about that earlier in the series he was chucking a lot of threes and not making them and it was like he got scared his shot selection because you know he's automatic in the mid-range and it seemed like it seemed like he was in his head this series which is like he was very passive in a way we don't usually see from Kevin Durant Like yeah Kevin Durant He's always a guy that flows within the flow of the offense And can kind of like

He'll go six minutes Without taking a shot and frustrate people But that happened way more than usual this series And we didn't see the positive swings That you normally see There was a couple of games Where him and Kevin Durant Him and Devin Booker

Had like a million points each Because they had a will their team to victory That was impressive But around that Those beginning of the series and end the series Not encouraging Yeah absolutely it's like it's like you just start slowly just like deteriorating in front of our eyes and it's just sad you know

yeah he's had like literally his NBA career over the last two years has been the definition of a roller coaster I haven't seen in there have so many highs and so many lows it's such a short amount of time you know like you went from NBA fans saying oh he's like like a half two sides up from winning the NBA championship a couple years ago to getting swept and also going out in an embarrassing fashion for the second straight year except this town this time in the second round so now it's like hey man listen life is tough when step curry is not next to you all right oh my good life is life is tough it's complicated it's not that simple right like on one hand he has been highly unfortunate with his co-stars

from the Kyrie situation to James Hardin's leg falling off to Chris Paul falling off Kevin DeAndre Aden missed his game Like he has been highly unfortunate With those around him But listen you made the bet on Kyrie Who was inconsistent

To put it lightly You made the bet on Chris Paul And Devin Booker Half of which is old as fuck Like he's He made his bed And now he's laying in it Like it's exactly what you expect

It's happened Like Donovan said This is going to happen Every year of Chris Paul Because it's happened Every year for the last five years It's not surprising That's crazy

I don't know what he did What what type of karma bad juju he has Chris Paul is the unluckiest person in the league That's ridiculous Yeah I can't think about Chris Paul though At least he broke his Addiction that he had about going to the finals

That shit is not happening ever again Two years free For those who don't know after After 2021 In interview Chris Paul was like I'm addicted to going to the finals It hasn't been back soon That man is so

Yeah, so forth as fuck. I'm joking. I'm mostly joking with all the hyperbole about Kevin Rand being a fraud and all this, but like there is a lot to unpack with his son's team right now. Like you said, you think their championship window is closed. Yes. I don't think I'm going to go there.

But I don't know, before I get to that, Mo, what do you think? What's your big takeaway about this team without the jokes? My big takeaway without this team is like, there's something serious internally that needs to be reworked and I'm looking at Monty Williams and it's about that time it's that season NBA where like coaches who got an embarrassing fashion especially Monty Williams right now like of course you're using two stars or whatnot but like it's okay to lose but not in this fashion it's never okay to lose in this yeah on your home court too back to back years home court

back to back years that just can't happen bro so I'm looking at you part exactly that's a challenging part um and it's tough because you know he's like a good coach and he's helped like revive a lot of the things that they've had going on but whatever it is in this locker room like i don't know there's just so much there there's just so much there to unpacked but with this game specifically you lost to it first was luka last year they only scored 27 points at halftime to

Dallas was 57 and now they scored only 51 to oh my god to their 85 so you want okay yeah

80 points in our first half is crazy yeah it is terrible it is terrible they went out sad that's all you said they went out sad again yeah

I know like you say it's tricky because like I struggle to like logically unpack this because on one hand they were down to starters and they're not a deep team they have four really good starters and a bunch of mid so if you lose half those really good starters you're not going to beat the best team in the conference so like absolutely i don't want to act like they said a chance tonight because they didn't

we all knew that they were fucking cooked like roasted what was really wrong with dandre a what did he do he has a rib contusion yeah what did you hit real hard the ribs and it hurts to reach up and limit your mobility you know it's kind of hard to play through that oh okay I didn't know he was playing hard enough to get hitting the ribs okay Cool. Yeah, I guess it's fucking hell. Everyone's joking saying like, oh, they're better off with that. I don't give more Londale minutes.

But when you have six above average players, maybe, when you're down, just losing any of them and forcing more bad players to pull more minutes is never good, even if that good player is being disappointing. So how do we parse this with the routine that was down two stars, or two starters, and had no chance of being this team, but also it was incredibly embarrassing and there wasn't a lot of encouraging science for the future besides Devon Booker being a god. Like, what do we take away from this?

You know, like it's like the jokes are the jokes, but like I don't know what to learn about this team from the series. The takeaway is that I think like last year, last year you look at their exit and it's like, okay, like obviously it's embarrassing that should have happened,

but they're coming back, you trade for Kevin Durant. There's still a pathway forward. Like Moe said, there's a lot that has to be reworked. And I think that obviously, like, not tearing the whole thing down to rebuild, that's not the answer here. But you're going to have to be some foundational changes, whether that is trading Aiton, whether that is firing Monty Williams. You're going to need one or maybe two big splashes because the way that the sun's got here, even before Kevin Durant, they had a lot of good depth, right? Devin Booker is Devin Booker.

you have Chris Paul that's able to orchestrate the offense. And now when you have the high-end talent of KD, you have the high-end talent of Booker who ascended to another level this entire series. Oh, yeah. All playoffs. Right. But you don't have that, you don't have that depth around them.

You have to figure out how to retool. And the way that they can do that, considering that they traded all of their draft capital to get Kevin Durant is by moving DeAndre Ait, who is their best, you know, he's the best asset on the market. What top of asset is he now? How much is he worth?

I mean, listen, I don't know. I don't know. I think it's good. I don't know. But like at the same time, like, if I know that my star player or the guy who I want to be like a foundational piece of my organization, if I see him acting like this in a place like this, you know, where he's not asked to do the superstar things that he thinks he can do, but just the minimal things, how much are you really willing to invest in a player? Well, so it's going to be. So, okay. First, Donovan, I agree.

I think the takeaway is this team has to retool in some way and I agree it's Aiden. So I'm saying that, Mo, if you, as a Hawks fan, if they were to offer Aiton and whatever else, Clinton is gone. Clint is gone. Clint is gone. Clint and John Collins. Would you do it?

Clinton and John Collins? For Aiton and somebody else? For the team that I have, I don't know because Trey Young is a particular point guard who doesn't necessarily, he needs a lot of threat. And Aiden's not down on this basis.

I got you. So it'll be tough. But something like that. Imagine whatever the team is. I'm looking around the league right now. Charlotte Hornets. They have young big, so maybe not them, but something of the sort. There's going to a downgrade at center who's still usable plus a wing for Ait.

I think that's the path forward. Because as doom and gloom as this isn't as embarrassing as a loss this is, I don't think they fire Monty Williams. He's a great coach. Their players really respect them. You can't fire him because you had two starters out, you know? And they're playing the best team, so you weren't going to win. and if you go outside you go outside

but they weren't expected to win really I mean they had a chance but it's not shocking they lose but with that being the case you still have KD and Booker for the next three years that alone is a very strong foundation that's KD plus Kyrie but to a higher level they had the middle of exception to sign us another wing to replace the J. Crowder hole

can they move Chris Paul? No I don't think Chris Paul is movable okay well to keep him then and he just plays a smaller and smaller roles but yeah You have to keep him on there. So you get rid of him. Let's say they do a sign and trade with the Raptors and get back Yacopoldo and Gary Trent,

who are free agents. I don't even think that's possible. But something like that. So you have Chris Paul, Devin Booker, Kevin Durant, Wing, Yacopoel, or Gary Trent, Yacopold.

Does that team inspire you at all going to next year with a full season to rebuild around these two stars? Not at all. Not at all? A little bit more. I think a little, yeah, definitely. I'm on the completely different end of you, Donovan.

Me too. Why do you say not at all? I think it's a good starting five, but if you're looking at everything that they had today, and obviously, like, people would slide down in the, in the depth chart if you got those guys. But they're playing guys, they're playing Bismack. In 2023, Bismack Biombo's out here getting minutes. And you got Bismack Bianbo, Terrence Ross, Tori Craig, T.J. Warren, and Damien Lee. like their bench is trash and then campaign

campaign decided to have the game of his life tonight when it didn't matter like if if campaign did regular campaign things they would probably be down by 40 right now but he had he was he's 12 of 16 what the heck he's 12 of 16 from the floor campaign had 31 points tonight he was cooking he was cooking no no he was it's ridiculous but like campaign does not inspire me on a day-to-day basis right landry sham it and all these other guys, the bench still doesn't inspire me to, if we're talking about championship, and if you have Kevin Durant and Devin Booker, that's, that's the goal. But you also need a bench in order to get there, and I don't see it with, with the moves that you guys made. Yeah, but also

I keep mine, they're going to get ring chasers and, like, decent veterans on minimum. So, like, they're going to have a chance to rebuild with that in mind. You know, it's always much easier to rebuild the summer than it is at the trade deadline after making a big move like that. So, even if it's not like flashy names you got to assume they're going to fit better around a team that knows they need wings to compensate for losing the two they lost or really three they lost the deadline to get Kevin ran in the door so some benefit of the doubt needs to be applied there but I got to think about how much I don't know I just I just don't see it yeah okay when you say don't see it are you saying you don't see them being like a top-end

contender because they're going to be a good team obviously with Kevin Durant and Devin Booker like that's not really debate that'll be a five seat there'd be four or five C. So you're saying there's nothing that they can do to, like, raise their ceiling for real. I mean, they have to make, they have to make, like, a lot of lives. They're going to have to play 2K over the summer to make the kinds of moves to get back to where they want to. And I, even if you don't win, because I did not expect them to win tonight, right, for the obvious

reasons, right? No, no Paul, no Aitin, obviously, like you, I expect you guys to lose by double digits. it's the effort level that's really concerning and it's back to back years and it's like you guys it looks like you guys quit at home in back to back years and I can't get behind that with you guys

see the question I have is this relatable to the last year because on paper it's two blowout losses like it's clearly a link there but the circumstances are materially very different you know what I mean like last year they were fully healthy and just got pissed on this year they don't have those two stars

KD's a new denominator there There's like Not the same circumstance you know But like it's a it's a little bit of both I think they still would lose But it's their loss is just like on crack It's straight up amplified now that Aiden's not here and CP3

CP3 is not there But even then it's like I'm just gonna say no like it's it's a bad loss But it just looks even worse that like There's so much shorter on the talent And the things and now like who's the backup it's just a lot

how many bad losses can you take though before you just start looking at them and you're like guys like what's happening what's going on things of what is happening like it's weird as fuck isn't it like it's basically like they're a good team that is

relatively good at handling adversity they're not usually pushovers but when it comes to getting closed down in these series they just turn it off like as a whole top down no matter what players are on the court isn't that weird Like it's not even a lot to take from that like it's there's no precedent for a team like that

I don't under I don't understand it It's fold under pressure but this is very specific type of pressure It's weird, right? Like it's all I can say is like the more I think about it like no It's just happened. It's very abnormal Good if y'all were the Brooklyn Nets and if it's your line again You guys should know where I'm going with this and you know if you dangled DeAndre Aiden for Nick Claxton and they have hello wings let's say during Dorney Finney Smith

Would you accept that if you're the Nets? Claxton and Finney Smith That specific combo player doesn't move me For a fit next to Kevin Durant I love what Claxon did this year But you know what maybe Maybe I don't know Finney Smith is currently on fraud watch too

Because he was so good next to Luca And playing on that team that had no creators Of him to play off of he was really bad at the Nets But maybe no maybe he's a tough player thrives next to stars so if it's the finney smith that we got next to lucca maybe but tbd yeah i think honestly that that's an a real on it that's a real honest option that you have there um because player like dorian phiney smith junior like you just need a team with either a main creator or multiple creators to free you up because that's just not his bag that's not his DNA to do anything

remotely close to anything on the ball and as for nick claxon like he'll do all the things that DeAndre Ayan complains about doing as well. Yeah, yeah. So that helps a lot. I do have worries about, like he's just not as big of a body as John D'Henian. I want to pick. Boards will not come as easy,

but I would love that. I'd want to pick back too, I think. I think you're going to pick there. Maybe you give them sham or something that it's cool. But I don't know. There's a lot to unpack. We're going to be unpacking this sudden thing for like the rest of summer, trying to figure what's next for them.

Yeah. Yeah. I think we should talk about the nuggets at least a little bit, because we're just glossing over the fact we're acting like the Sons beat themselves when really what just happened is we saw, I think Nicole Eau could solidify himself as

not a defensive liability, not a regularism player, but a legitimate playoff riser who is maybe the best player in the NBA who just packed up a team everyone thought was going to make the finals. Now he's here. He's here. He finished with a 30 point triple double again and it's just like I think that the

Nuggets right now are the clear favorites to win the championship. got to be i think that they i think that right now they i think they they're my pick going going into into the final four i would i would pick them and i think that they're going to walk away champions it's just they they look so connected and everything that they do every pass seems so crisp and with yokic at the helm of everything and he's just dishing and dime there's just some reason that he just makes we're psych like like what like how do you even think about doing that

before it happened it's just it's so crisp in everything that he does. He's cut from the same IQ cloth as LeBron James like they're there's only two people in the league that see things on that level and operate on that level

with a passer and a score where they control every single thing that happens on the court and bend defenses to their will and are impossible to guard because of that they're in the league of their own I think I think he's legitimately one the best offensive players we've ever seen

he's different he's different like what are you Mo, where do you rank him right now off of this series? Like, off your gut reaction, is he the best player to leave you? A couple of months ago, I said that I think this dude, I might be the best player in the NBA. And, uh, like this. You standing on it?

Yeah, I kind of do stand on it. I didn't want to because Yonis is Yonis and that's just hard. But like, it's one A, one B for me. Like, with just how the amount of control that Yokic has on the offensive side of the ball, Yonis doesn't, I don't want to say it doesn't sniff that, but like, it's levels to this. There's levels to this, you know? And not only is, when Yolkich is on the court, not only is he like an obvious threat to give you 30 and 35 and 12 and 15 and all that crazy shit, well, like, everyone else is on, is a threat

as well, and everyone else moves different with off the ball alongside Yolkich. And he just manipulates the defense into anything. There's no real defense for him. Your best bet is, like, physicality and exactly what the Lakers did back three years ago now, you know? Yeah. And so the only way to defend him is if you have one of the greatest defensive players of all time and Anthony Davis, who was uniquely physically positioned to defend Yokic one-on-one. That's very specific circumstance.

The one way you could slow him down a little bit. Yes, and when 80s not playing, you have to have some like Dwight Howard along with Joy Howard fucking throw Joel McGee on there who's actually usable and shit back. It's like they had a bunch of trees in this NBA team. today, no team has that. And it still went seven with a prime LeBron, not prime, but with a damn near prime LeBron James, it still went to seven. Yeah, exactly.

This man is different. The fact that the narrative earlier in the season was that he doesn't deserve MVP because he hasn't done shit in the playoffs, when he was playing with Campazo? Compazo? He couldn't be the Warriors with Campazo and we were acting like it was a fucking travesty.

What the fuck were we talking about? Kendrick Perkins is going to jail. Yeah, it was the nastiest narrative work I've seen in a very, very long time. They did all that just to go. It's generational. The narrative work was generational. I can't believe it, man.

So, no, they're great. You told us, you think the nuggets are your favorites from the finals right now. Do you agree with that, Mo? Do I think the nuggets are the favorites to win the finals? Me personally, they haven't shown us any reason to not pick them as the favorites.

Like, our biggest are by far the biggest worry for them. This entire postseason in the Western Conference has been the team like the Golden State. I'm not going to say my bad. Team like the Phoenix Suns because we thought that they were going to have Nicole which in a torture chamber and a pickerone and all that stuff. It turns out like none of that shit really came true. Dude held his own and he was able to do triple times the damage on the offensive end. And that just leads me to believe like from start at the very start of the season, 20 games and 60 games.

to now we're like, I don't know, 80, 85 games in the NBA season. Like, they still should be the favorites. End to end, they've been the best team in the conference. Like, there's a low there where they kind of took the foot off the gas that are losing games and we all convinced ourselves that, like, including me, that the suns were the team to beat and that the nuggets were just, like, showing their true colors, when really it was just regular season malaise

that we see contenders do all the time. Like you said, there's no reason to not pick them. The only reason I'm holding a little bit of trepidation is because I think even though they're the better team on paper than the Lakers, the Lakers have those specific matchup advantages that you can see that being the reason that the lesser team knocks them off. But if the Warriors eliminate the Lakers tomorrow or on Sunday when Game 7 happens, then I think the Nuggets walked to the finals.

They're going to stomp out the Warriors. Absolutely, in my opinion. Yeah. And that was a good point that you said we thought those sons would expose them because if the sons of Devin Booker and Kevin Durant couldn't expose Yokic's defense, nobody can yeah you expect do you expect me to honestly believe that jordan pool or revive himself from the dead and dance on that man or whatever like i just can't see it bro i just cannot see it i don't believe in austin reese to go ahead and like put

nicole even though he's really good i don't believe in that i don't believe in deanser russell i don't believe in any of these people of katy and i believe in ad i believe in a d to kick ass if he's oh yeah 80 80s different different conversation different conversation talking about Just like all the guards trying to punish the Koli Okets or not. For sure. Yeah. So let's use it. So the Nuggets are clearly the favorites at the West right now.

Let's talk about the favorites at the East because the whole playoffs has basically been the Celtics. And the other game that happened right before this one when we reacted to live was Celtics versus 76ers, which was a crazy game where it looked like the 76ers were on the brink of eliminating the Boston Celtics in game six. And then we saw the most, just a mid-off. of both teams tried not to win and the 76 is doing their thing and finding a way to grab they grabbed a loss from the

what's the word they they grabbed a loss from the jaws of defeat or something like that or they grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory they somehow find a way to lose even though it was a very winnable game what do y'all think about these two teams right now? I mean this is classic

James Hardin and Doc Rivers like what else can you say Donovan is on you've seen this from like two miles away like they're they're just a match made in heaven doc rivers is literally made NBA history tonight he lost his 32nd elimination game ever that's historic no one's like and we've never seen anyone like him super talented shout to him how do you do this I don't know you have James Martin Tyrese maxie joelin beating you somehow like destroy this mess this up so he's like Donovan please tell me why this is it like a generational seller what happened

I, okay, I've been telling you guys all season that I don't believe in the Sixers. It's nice like this. And it's nice like with James Hardin. And y'all try to pressure me the other day, try to apologize to James Hardin. And I said, wait for it. I said, let me see it for two games in a row. Let me see it in an elimination game. And here you are up three, two, at home.

And James Hardin, four for 16. over six from three this is ridiculous this is ridiculous five turnovers tonight James Hardin was was awful tonight and you know who else was awful

who for most of the game oh Jason Tatum yeah the last six minutes we will get to God we will we will get to because that was that was one of the craziest things

I've ever seen right but for the Sixers I can't I can't trust them I think that they are going to get destroyed in game seven I have no faith in them I can't wait for that conversation

I think that is oh I mean somebody's getting Doc's getting fired either Maxie or Hardin is gone they can't run this back they can't they can't do this right it's the same thing with the suns in that if for multiple years

your season kind of ends and it's funny because we're going to talk for the next two days about about about the Sixers as if they lost their season because nobody believes that they are going to go into Boston for a second straight time and win that game.

They're done. They're done. And for Joelle and Bede, you got your MVP, right? You cried to shams about your MVP and you ended up getting it. Congratulations to you. You need to figure out what to do because this can't keep happening. That game, and we'll switch to the Celtics right here like Isaac was saying, Jason Tatum had one point for like 30.

minutes he had three points he had three points through three quarters and you guys he was facing some generational slander on Twitter and y'all were and they were still within striking range they should have been up by two three points three you guys are uh no no it's a but it's a bummish performance from from the 76ers you know it's crazy I came I was ready to get some slander off on Jason Tatum because I've always been not a hater of Jason Tatum, but not quite a believer. I was always thinking people were huff him a little too much and not focusing on his flaws

enough. But then earlier this season, he was so good to start the air. So it's hot shooting that everybody in the comments convinced me that he was officially a top seven player or whatever. Like, I didn't give him respect, and I did. I was such a bitch for that. I never believed it. I've always thought this motherfucker was inconsistent and

probably a top 10 player. I never thought he was pushing top five. I just said that I felt like I should. I was capping. You need Devin Booker any day over Jason Tatum now, man. Listen, that's a conversation. And I was ready to get three points and three quarters. I was like, I'm about to get this off.

But in the last seven minutes, he just makes three threes and like two other two-pointers and goes crazy when it matters most. And like, what do you take from that? Someone who's so inconsistent and has been all year, but when it counts, they just, he shows up. Like, I don't know. Don't feel good. If this is, this is the epitome of what the Boston Celtics postseason has. looked like the entire time you should not be going against you should not be

going total toe-to-toe with the Atlanta Hawks for six games you know I love this team but let's be real they're serious flaws and yeah you don't you don't lose in Boston bro but you lose because someone like Jason Tain it was not up to Pete not up to speed and up to far with it when it comes to his consistency and whatnot so bro like if someone like this team is gonna have the this this amount of inconsistency and it well all he has his inconsistencies like Jim Brown is not doing

Gillen Brown type things or has a ball on his hand and is moping around and whatnot like it's hard to win I don't trust this team whatsoever they should lose but the sixes are just bigger losers that's all it is and it's so weird because on paper this team is incredible they check every

box you would want there's a reason we saw them as an early title favorites are in this season like they were running away from the league but they've just slowly fallen apart over time for what seems to be purely purely intangible reasons. Like, on the court, there is the part about the lineup for Robert Williams and Al Horford not being what it was last year. Robert Williams hasn't been that good this year. They started against the night to mix it up and it worked. They won. But that hasn't been

the, you know, just like cheat code it was last season. But outside of that, everything else about the scene has been great. But they just keep getting worse and worse as time goes on between October and now. Like, I don't know if it's just me, but this team feels destined to implode soon. I feel we've been counting down for the past two years, but like, they can only, deal with this for so much longer. Yeah, for sure, for sure. And I mean, there was all the talk when Jalen Brown was doing, you know, some like press run. And all the talk after that was like, oh, does Jalen Brown even want to be here? Like, are they going to move on from Jalen Brown? And then now, now that he's made all NBA and there's that, you know, massive contract on the table, now they

have to make a decision on whether or not they want to like commit to to Jalen moving forward. And you talk about the intangibles. This is who the, even in their finals run last, last year this is who the Celtics have been right like they had they faced a buck's team without chris middleton and went to a game seven with them because they couldn't win back-to-back games ever they went in the in the series against against the heap before jimmy butler shot they blew a 13 point fourth quarter lead in game seven in two minutes in two minutes and if and if Jimmy's shot goes in. This is like the biggest fumble of all time.

Like this is who they've been throughout this entire era. And they've for, and even pre-tatum, like the one year that Isaiah Thomas was there and he was hitting, they've always been good enough or they've always been really, really good, just not good enough. And I think until they get a legitimate top five player on their team, they're not going to exceed that. So this is as close as it gets. Like, you know, it's pretty hard to get better than Tatum. They're not available. No, it's hard, right? But listen, everybody doesn't win a championship every year, right?

But you're going to have to get one of those guys or Tatum is actually going to have to elevate, but I don't think that they have it. I'm starting to think it's more about they need a guy next to Tatum who complements him a little more than Jalen in terms of, you know, for years before last year, everyone was talking about they need a playmaker, they need a real point guard.

And then Mark Smart took a playmaking leap. and Jalen Brown took a ball handling a leap a little bit and they made the final so that kind of like shut that down but I think as a whole as an NBA community we let the results distract us in the process a little bit there I do so think they need a better on-ball creator just because like you said they managed to not show against the Miami Heat they managed to beat a hobbled bucks

made us think that that flaw doesn't exist anymore when really you just can't get too wrapped up in results because crazy shit happens Jalen Brown is a great player but he doesn't compliment Jason Tatum's weaknesses at all and I think for a player like Tatum who's amazing but has those flaws in his game like his predictability with the ball in his hands

he's gonna become a better playmaker but he's not an elite playmaker that makes other people better you need someone who can fill that role just like Chris Milton feels that role for Janus even though Janus is way better yeah I can tell what it looked like I don't know I don't know I don't know what type of player is

up for grabs the guy I can think of is like oh he was up for grabs I'll fucking love him, really against anyone, Damio, or, like, of course, no brainer. Yeah, no brainer. But, like, and that's interesting because, like, do you, if you are the boss of Celtics, and when you, if you do fail the season again, and as time goes on, you know, they're going to have to extend Jaylon Brown also, like, are you willing to invest? I saw some crazy number in order to keep retaining them, both they'd have to pay, like,

$613 million Over five years One of y'all can leave One of y'all can leave That money's not coming out of my account The thing is They're gonna pay them Because they're gonna be over the

salary cap anyways It's a crazy number But the cap's going up It doesn't really matter That's crazy It just sounds crazy Because they're not used these numbers yet But

They're not gonna get rid of Jalen By their own accord When you have two young Homebred stars You don't get rid of them right But unless one of them wants out That's what I'm saying If Jalen decides you want out

wants an opportunity and it's tired of the scrutiny and like we've heard him kind of allude to in the media i think it might be a blessing in disguise like they're going to be sad about it but like it might work out in the long run but then also like when if you go back to like what you said when it comes to them needing a lead ball handler or at least someone whatever it looks like who excels of what tatum doesn't excel at just a solely like compliment him in his game like i look at someone like malcolm brogden you know they got him for a reason he's been absolutely like perfect for him you know he's everything that you wanted and then some six man of the year type beat and honestly like I don't know I at this point I'm not thinking

like Malcolm Brogman you call him Malcolm Brogden a tight beat I'm crying that's funny but like you go what can you do like what can at this point do you try to like elevate Malcolm Brogden and rework your entire starting lineup with involving him but if you put him in there do you like demote Marcus Smart or just push him to just like

I don't know it's just a lot going on with that team yeah I don't think Malcolm Brogden is the answer there I just think he's not that caliber of player but I see what you mean like I mean if maybe the world ends with them having to move on from Marcus Smart who is incredible and is their vocal leader in a locker room but yeah maybe you need someone that's a better fit there

even though he has a great fit so that's I don't think I'd want to do that But you're right Something has to give Like if Jalen Brown Were to want to leave Like I don't know There's not like

A comparable star Available to market You know Jaunte Murray You are a Boston Celtic Listen If Trey Young was on the way out Then maybe

Maybe we'd have a conversation Let's relax But like Imagine if Who's a comparable player To Jalen Brown's stature But imagine that a dares Garland instead of Jalen

Brown A realized prime Garland You know who's maybe Maybe Garland's a little bit worse than Jalen Brown at the moment, but, you know, that fit in these offensive sets where the team just stagnates out because Jason Tatum is trying to create and he's incredibly predictable with the stepbacks

and can't really create for others. Imagine if you had a truly dynamic guard who can score and pass, creating those shots, and kicking out to Tatum who can attack with an advantage. Like, it's a very different team. I think, I think, like, yes, it would be nice if you had, like, a legitimate point guard who can create but also a lot of this falls on tatum has to become a better playmaker in order in order

for them to take the the next step if you're going to have like that amount of usage and you're going to be the the number one guy you have to be able to actually like create some stuff and not just and not just like you know we talk we talk a lot when we talk about try young and how he's like a reactive pastor and he's not necessarily like setting people up to you know directing traffic like Yeah. And obviously, we're not expecting Tatum to become Luca or anything like that. But you're going to have to start making reads and start and start dictating a lot of things. I think he's going to have to take another step.

And I think it, I think even with the Celtics core right now, he, the onus is on him. It's on, it's on Tatum. If they run everything back next year, the number one thing that they are going to need to take that next step is that he's going to have to create more for the people and he's going to have to create more for jalen brown and so i think i think that they can run this back they can potentially get even better and maybe fix some of those intangible things but if he's going to be the guy with the high high usage like that he's going to have to create you're right and i think that's the problem is that currently the way this team is constructed he has to do that it's on his shoulders and i feel like that's just shoving a square peg in a round

hole we had this conversation with luka we had this conversation with luca a little bit ago where we're like this team should stop trying to give him another ball handler to have star power and just give him a second star that fits him better finding him a paul george you can play off ball i'm starting to fill the way with jason tatum where we can keep talking about him making a playmaking leap but not every big forward has to be a point forward like his game could be score the ball and play good defense and do a little bit of playmaking so he's not michael for junior but he doesn't got to be lebron james you know like not everybody that's not his bag like mo said yeah similar to what like a lot of people expected

Janus to be a lot of people like oh it handles not not as nice ah jump shot not this and that Mitch just go ahead and put shooting around him and have people do excel at things that he doesn't excel at and it's just like simple as that before the Boston Celtics is not as simple as that

because they're already a like they're an elite team but they're an elite team with minor flaws and in order to fix those minor flaws you might have to make seismic moves and those seismic moves can either A, implode on your face, or be, like, obviously, like, work out. And the only teams, in my mind, now that I did a quick scan, that might make sense,

is like, oh, do you want to try to, like, gamble and put money on Fred Van Vleet from the Toronto Raptors? I don't think that's a good return because I think Jalen Brown is, like, levels ahead of Fred Van Gogh. Oh, God, no. If it's for Jalen Brown, fuck no. No, no. Yeah, exactly, you know? And then if not Daniel Brown, then, like, you'd have to be blessed to receive someone like dameyler who fixes every single problem imaginable for that team yeah so if damy loo request

trade jaylon brown is the best that the trailblages could do so that would be a godsend for both sides uh but yeah i just think that it's weird they're untrustworthy you just can't trust them yeah they're a high variance team because if you don't have elite playmaking and you rely on shooting you're a very high variance team just inherently and time is ticking alhorford's knees are gonna be rubble soon Robert Williams's needs might be rubble soon that man is not standing the test of time yeah yes

I just yeah like I keep thinking about what Donovan was saying he was so spot on with like the way this team's instructed it's gonna come down to can Jason Tate make these leaps and I just like hate the mindset of teams which maybe they're backed into this so they don't have a choice but the idea of star player

has to mold his game to elevate the weaknesses of this roster I hate that. I feel like you should elevate the weaknesses your roster to fit the start player to optimize what he can do. That's fair. That's fair.

And I'm going to let you know. When you are paying somebody $300 million, you better do absolutely everything. Like, and obviously people have strengths and people have weaknesses. But once you get that price tag, and like you said, we're not used to seeing these numbers

in basketball yet. And so when you look up and Jason Tatum is making $350 million and you're like, you can't get four assists tonight? Like, what's going on here? But he can't do that. I'm throwing out of the number.

But like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm going to need you to run a picker row every once in a while. Like that's that, like, is that type of stuff that's going to make people upset? What's the ceiling of that? Because like, he's done that in the past year and a half. They made the finals last year,

became the top year team because he made somewhat of a playmaking lead. He's a very decent playmaker. What's the ceiling of? How much can you ask for him? He's never going to be a great playmaker. Like, he can't just force himself to get good at that. You know what I mean?

He doesn't have that vision. Like, what's the point where, at what point do you stop asking for that because it's unrealistic and you just build around that reality? I mean, it's now. Like, I think now, especially whether they win or lose, I'll say this, championship aside, you're going to have to reevaluate what you have. And especially with the contracts coming up, you're going to have to decide what direction you want your franchise to go.

Are you going to keep Tatum and Brown? Are you just keeping Tatum? Are you going to be crazy and keep Brown? Like there's a lot of decisions that have to be made and with those come, you know, the basketball aspect of it. I think I think Boston has to figure out what to do to maximize Jason Tatum because he's the he's the one, right? I think he's the one that everybody loves and everyone has the hopes and aspirations for. So he's going to be there.

And so at that point Once you pay him to $3.50 It is in your best interest to do everything you can To make sure that he looks the best And surround him with things that help him You know the crazy part of this is We're talking like they lost They can still make the finals

They can still win the title Which isn't the way of winning though Yeah, isn't to say we shouldn't be saying this Yeah, isn't to say we shouldn't be saying this Because the point is that they're just so unreliable That they could make the finals Or they could come out and lose by 20 to the Sixers in game seven

like just no way to know that that won't happen that won't yeah you're right but you know what i'm saying there's no way to know if they're going to peter out or make it to the finals at that point who knows 100% which is just the uncertainty is a problem at a certain point man it just sucks that you'd have to pick and choose between i don't want to say people have been always right about y'all you have to pick either jaylum brown or jason 10 i've always hated that and i felt like there are ways around that and like it feels like almost it almost feels like the Boston Celtics they'd done the absolute best that you could possibly do to try to fill out fill in those gaps in those holes by bringing in someone like Derek White by bringing in someone like Malcolm Bruggan he went

out on him one sixth minute of the year Derek White looks so much better in the playoffs so it's like what else and if I agree with both of you like you do try to cater like I just said you do try to cater your entire team towards the star player and make his job as easy as possible in order to elevate him to success but at the same time it's like dude i done as much as i can it possible like i'm capped out i bring in i brought in x-y-n-z dude and you're still not performing so at that point like you either like play the waiting game and just hope that one of these years will be your years like like we all think like we all said and agreed earlier like you can't win a championship every year to that or you be extreme out from what i view i would view it as like being impatient

and trade away jeline brown for a potential asset that may be out there who knows what it is it's really dependent on that but i think it's just a waiting game at the end of the day for sure it's no rush like their worst case scenario is run it back with your two young stars like they're in a decent spot regardless they're not just like they're sub 27 like they're still they're still in their primes have a good six seven years of prime left in them so like there's a lot of time so like if the worst case scenario is running back with these guys and try to get lucky one these years that's better than most teams it's just like for a team that is in that point already you want to be a way to meet that next leap and maybe there just is no leap you made they got to just

be who they are yeah exactly lebrani would have his first championship until it was like 27 years old and that's like the case for most of these teams now if we're like Tatum's like 29 and we're still talking about the exact same thing. Oh, yeah, that's wrapped. That's a shit, sale. You should have wrapped that up a few years ago, for sure. You know, so I think it's just a waiting game, and it sucks.

It's like there's such a huge tease. Like, we know what they can be, and they show it here and there, but then they just revert to just, like, bastard activity. Yeah. It just noise everyone. Yeah, man. We're going to have a lot of talking about this team next episode,

depending on how the series ends. So we'll leave it there. Let's move on to this next series for now. The NBA conference finals are here, there's no better place to get in on the action than Underdog Fantasy, the best and easiest place to play Fantasy Sports Online, and it's super simple. You can play online or you can play in the app, and all you have to do is hit higher or lower on your favorite or least favorite players' stats for the night. And if you get up to five stats right, you can win up to 20 times

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The Lakers are up 3-2 after taking a 3-1 lead in game four. And game five was kind of a mixed bag. I feel like the Lakers obviously lost. Are you all feeling encouraged for the Warriors or are you still thinking Lakers are going to win in game six? once whoever finds that goddamn corgi and like unalives it then I'll feel better yeah

yeah that corgi that corgi has the keys that corgi has the keys yeah man yeah so we haven't talked about it since after game two and after game two

was when the warriors like destroy the Lakers and it was like oh shit or was that game three no I was game two okay game two everyone was kind of like oh whoa oh oh did

the Warriors kind of figured his Lakers thing out or they were getting back to back to normal and you know the leakers proceeded to win game three and four in pretty easy fashion in crypto so at that point they were up three one and i think everyone was kind of like this is the end of the warriors dynasty did that change for you after this last game are you feeling like the warriors can come back and take it in the seven i do i i and i feel this i feel this way with both of these series with like with the leger series and with the nick series but it's like now that you've gotten back to a game six right

Like coming back 3-1, it's always like, okay, let's take one game at the time. You don't have to win three in a row. Really, it's can you get to game six? Because after game, like, game seven is so unpredictable and anything can happen. And it's literally like a one-game scenario. So if you can get back to, I guess, in this case, back to L.A., I think they have a chance. And like, there hasn't been anything on either side that has made me feel extremely confident.

Like, I don't feel great about the lake. I don't feel great about the Warriors in any situation. And so if the Warriors, who honestly played a very good game in Game 4, it was just the ridiculous shot selection, turnovers in the last three minutes of the game. Yeah, Jordan Pool disaster class. If you cannot be stupid for three minutes at the end of the game, you're going to have a chance to get back to San Francisco in Game 7. So I kind of think the Warriors can do this.

I think they can pull it off. I think they can win it. What about you, Mo? Where are you standing after this last game? I still think, like, I think my predictions were, like, pretty much in the air. I didn't, I genuinely didn't know who would win. I wanted to lean towards the Lakers, but I didn't fully trust them. But I almost leaned towards the Lakers as it's like, bro, like, last game, I missed half and half of it.

Like, I feel like during the second quarter, woke up, like, towards the end of the fourth. And I'm like, yo, how did Dremont Green score 20 points? How was the last time he did that in a playoff game, especially. I don't remember. Closeout game, Dremont is real, though. It was just the other night. He had 21, just the other night. Really?

Did he? Yeah, he did. Yeah, yeah, I remember now. He's done it twice this series. He's, listen, he's like, he's low-key been on go mode. Like, he's. Drey-1 on-go mode. He's been here.

He's been here. He's been scoring. Yeah. But them, I mean, If Dremont continue the top of things that he's been going, Clay has been having like a super up and down series. Jordan Poole is just complete cheeks, buns, two cans of bounce that ass. Any whatever verbiage you want to throw in there, he's that, that bad.

So I think I trust in the Lakers to close this out. They have two chances to go ahead and end this series. And I have a hard time believing that, like, you know, LeBron wouldn't be able to do this, and AD won't be able to do this and whoever steps up, whether it be Austin Reeves or Rihamira, Dennis Trotor, or DeNor Russell, who's been so bad, like he's been so bad as of late, but this is just who he is. One of those games in crypto, though, he went nuts.

Remember he started the game scoring the first 12 points of the game? Yeah. And then the past two games has been relatively quiet from him, so. But that's kind of what you expect from Dilo, right? Like, I think the reason that he is trade so often and isn't a, you know, high quality player of high values because he's inconsistent and you can never know what you're going to get. he's basically a flashy role player and role players are role players

because they're inconsistent sounds just like Jordan pool that's not totally surprising listen at this point he might be the very very rich man's Jordan pool which is unexpected that's tough what do you think about this year's going forward

I think the Lakers are going to win in game six I think when Lakers don't have 3-1 nobody should have expected the Lakers to win it in 5 is the Warriors at home the dynasty with their backsings the wall

they were going to come out and win that game there was no part of me believe the Lakers were going to win in Golden State to close it out I think one there's a reason we've never seen this team lose before the finals they are incredibly hard to beat and teams have desperation at that point we saw the same thing happen to

the Grizzly series into Lakers they came out in game five and beat the shit at the Lakers and then Lakers close it out in six I think this is that same story as far as like how the Warriors won one the pace was crazy last game and they kind of just ran down the Lakers throat.

And it seems like they figured out a way to not neutralize Anthony Davis, but not let him dominate the game on defense. They're putting him in a lot of pick and roll action so he can't be the help defender just destroying everything at the rim. They're making him guard on the perimeter so he can't block those shots. Yeah. That part scares me because the Lakers can't figure out a way to not let them do that. Game 6 is going to be incredibly difficult.

But if Darbrenham comes back and he finds his own adjustment to that, we see the defensively dominant AD again at home where they're going to get the whistle. everything know they're the home court advantage I see the Lakers winning in six yeah I can agree with that I can that's fair that's fair I disagree I think the main reason why I disagree is

I'm wondering which one of the role players for for the Lakers is going to step up like they got bailed out they got the Lani Walker game that they needed right you're getting out I mean no like Laniwarker bail out it's death okay

it's the truth Lonnie Walker has not played at all for like for weeks now and that's deaf you have good players waiting to come in when needed okay anyway so you get bailed out you get bailed out by Lonnie Walker having the best quarter of his career and and again you need that in playoff series right i understand that that that happens from time to time but you already have that Austin reaps has not been great in this series de angelo russell has been very inconsistent dennis shrewder also is going to you know probably uh need to have like a great game

I'm wondering, once you look down the line, which one of those guys is going to be the one to step up and kind of help the lake and like push the Lakers forward, right? And so I don't think, I know you're at home and you can kind of like expect for role players to play better at home. But I think that the Warriors are rolling right now. And especially what really encouraged me that they will be able to compete and win this game was Draymond's aggressiveness. I think the fact that with the pace that they, that you mentioned, if they're going up and down and Dremont is getting the ball deep in the paint, he's getting a guard on him, he's getting either Reeves or shoulder on him, and he's making quick moves, getting to the free throw line. And he's also like getting the warriors to the line and combating, you know, the Lakers whistle.

I think that helps step out a lot. And it takes, you know what I'm saying? Like it takes a lot of pressure off of him. He doesn't have to score 40 every night. It also takes a lot of pressure off of Clay. Now, Clay doesn't have to drop seven threes for them to be competitive. I think we're going to see a little bit of that aggressive Draymond in game six. Counterpoint.

What's up? Draymond can't do that because the Lakers are going to shoot 30 free throws again at home. Because they're going to get that home team whistle. It's just like the Warriors got the home team whistle this last game. That only can happen if the Lakers are missing shots consistently and Dremont can get the rebounds and go. When the game's going to be slowed down every five seconds because AD LeBron reused D lowered drawing whistles, it's going to be hard for Jemone to do that. counterpoint to your counterpoint to my counterpoint

They were creating fast breaks a lot Off of made baskets and off of fritos And there were a lot of times with the ball would go through And instantly they would have somebody at the at the baseline And try and push So I think that they're going to be able to manufacture A couple of fast breaks So even if even if the fritos do happen for the Lakers

Which it obviously will that whistle is going to be there The wars are they have a game plan in place To create speed and pace for that. themselves. Yeah, that's fair. I think from the Lakers perspective, you know, I talked about how the figuring out a way to make 80 dominant again on defense is a hard adjustment that I don't know if they can make. The adjustment I am positive they can make that they're going to take away from this game is that get back in transition defense and don't let them get in fast breaks. That's like the easiest thing that every team takes away in the playoffs. Pace never wins in

the playoffs, like historically. So that's like the one thing that I am very confident that Darwin-Hams would make sure that doesn't happen. Like don't let them do fast breaks off of makes. That's such an easy adjustment. you know what i'm not confident in you put it on draymond i'm more so i'm just thinking about clay thompson and the wild inconsistency that he has like two days ago two games ago he shot the fuck out of them in the foot like he was with the lakers it felt like it at least he's like he told his hey yo dad watch this this is for you shot them out of the game and so far in this series he's averaging like 17 points on 38% shooting from the field he's

averaging more turnovers than assist it's like if you the warriors are going to do this they need whatever game six clay is they need that playing at yeah the best level if they really want to pull this off and he's been wildly inconsistent you know and i it's game six it's game six so game six clay is about to show up i love how every role player we talk about on the warriors outside of step curry we're talking about they're inconsistent because that's really the story of the series like we're talking about a lot of this in lakers perspective and like things they're doing to adjust to what golden state's doing because a lot of times with any series golden state style of play is so unique

they feel like the driver of every series but they've been the reason that they're not winning these games like they're doing lots of things right but jordan pool crap clay thompson crap half the time draymond ctee half the time we're talking about these scoring games he's been playing brain dead a lot of these games too like he's been also inconsistent like we're having moses moody hit big threes his last game can you rely on moses moody's shootouts every single game no like there's so many dice rolls with the lakers i mean with the warriors across their entire roster yeah exactly i feel like

for the warriors everything has to go right like step as great as he plays like he just simply can't do it alone um and no player in the history of the NBA has a has been able to do that and so now i'm just sitting here thinking to myself like because the wars just have a very short least of mistakes and the Lakers can make mistakes because they have fucking AD and LeBron James on their team. Isn't that crazy? The LeBron hasn't been, yeah, exactly. I know. Like, if you were to say this a couple weeks ago

or a couple months ago, like, everything I would have to go right, but they can miss up, you know, because they're just incredibly deep. A lot of people don't want to give, like, a Lakers, like, you Donovan don't want to give them credit. But if there's any other, what do you mean? Just, hey, shut up. Let me get my narrative. You're in the same shit, man.

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey, I was not hating, all right? I was not hating. I was deceived by Nonovan. I was influenced. Exactly. Can't wait until the Lakers blow the sleeve. I can't wait.

But if you're right though, you're 100% right. It's weird that the Warriors are a team that everything has to go right for. That's so facts. It's last game. They hit seven threes in the first quarter, right by 15. Quarter ended, they were up by three. Like, they hit seven threes, and the Lakers still came back and weathered the storm. Granted that, you know, in the second quarter, we saw them blow the game open.

But they have to have these really hot stretches where the pace is perfect. The Lakers' offense isn't good. The defense is working well for the Warriors. They're hitting all their jump shots. We're having Moses Moody hit threes. We're relying on inconsistent role players to be consistent. Like, everything needs to click for three straight games for the Warriors. Dude, two games ago, the Lakers, part of the Lakers game plan was to leave Andrew Wiggins open,

who is not like Ben Simmons from the three-point line or anything like that. He's not the worst three-point shooter, but then again, he's not the absolute best. he's a guardable person and their game plan wants to leave him open and he like, I don't want to say he shot them out the game but he just was playing right into the Lakers' hands and then this last game that happened last night

there was a complete opposite shot 40% from three so everything went right for him Yeah man it's It's interesting because Like you're saying Wiggins, the game they had AD guarding Wiggins So he could help off him and they tried to

You know negate the Warriors putting him in pick and roll actions and it didn't work in game five because Wiggins was him like his ability to crash the boards and use his verticality at the room to get rebounds and putbacks it was crazy so to give the Warriors credit

Steve Kerr's making hell of adjustments every single time the Warriors have a move Steve Kerr is doing his job like we're really seeing a coaching duel right now between these two coaches so which one do you want to bet on you want to be on Darwin Ham or Steve Kerr probably Steve Kerr

so that's tough I'm taking Steve Kerr I would be easy yeah I definitely go with Steve Kerr because I mean the track record and history is there and I think he makes I don't question a lot of things that he does something sure every coach questionable but I think he's warriors fans question the fuck out of him I know it's also he's Hitler it's so stupid it's so dumb it's half on Steve Kerr but like Moe was saying guys just have to make shots and Clay Thompson you have to show up like Clay Thompson of the last three games and this is from game three four and then five 15 points nine points ten points damn please please you are you're about to be disowned by the splash brothers like you're you're not doing your job if he can have if he can have 17 can if he can have 17 points that would be good enough for step curry to to you know create as much offense as possible

and get the words over the hump they're going to need somebody else to be this to be the second star somebody else has to score 20 you hope that it's clay and that and that his threes can kind space the floor out you know create driving lanes for everybody else but i don't know but at the same time like step curry might be the best step curry that we've seen since 2016 so he's been incredible you know so i i still want to bet on him and i still trust him and that game step had that game step had 12 assists i was just watching that like can you fucking believe there's a narrative when people talk about all-time players that step isn't a point guard or isn't a good passer just because he plays in this

curses system that doesn't make him spam picking rolls like it's such a casual take it's so stupid lazy he could average if if he was if you put Mike replace James Hardin with Steph Curry back in those like heavy spam pick and roll

days one-on-one basketball days good grief dude he's averaging easily like 35 and 12 for sure yeah and people are just don't know what they're looking at like I was saying Warriors fans love to hates Steve Kerr and think they need to fire him. He's never lost before the finals in the entirety of his coaching career.

Like, you guys are fucking idiots missing the forest for the trees. He's literally one of the greatest coaches of all time. And they just, it just shows you that there's a weird thing right now on Twitter where every fan base hates their coach and thinks every coach is bad. Like if you look, if you just want on Lakers Twitter, you would think Darvinham is the worst first year coach of all time. Meanwhile, he's in a coaching duel with Steve Kerr and winning a lot of these matchups. people just don't know how to evaluate coaching at all yeah exactly and like we've seen so often like

a lot of teams have major disappointment and so far through step through steve cur's like track record he hasn't had that playoff now of course having the team that he does have like helps a hell of a lot but there's ways that you can mismanage the fuck out of your talent ask mike ludenosa that's a prime example even him though he got fired two years after winning a championship like The narratives around coaching You're so crazy They had to make a change Granted the team fell apart

You can't roll that team back Just chemistry wise Something has to give But like the leash on coaches And the evaluation of coaches Is this weird these days Is this with the 90s He would have been

Had a job security For 10 years after that Oh absolutely He wouldn't have to worry about Which granted That's probably the other end of spectrum That's too much But it's just

We're definitely in a weird situation for coaches Yeah I would hate to be a coach In this day and age It was crazy JJ Reddick might be a coach Random side note

That's crazy That's crazy So one other thing I just realized By the time the next episode comes out This series is going to be over So let's get our final predictions in there I'm saying it now The Lakers are going to win in Game 6

And they're going to end the Warriors Dynasty We're going to see this team blow up this summer And Game 6 will be the last game You see Draymond Green, Clay Thompson and Curry All play together with the Golden State uniform Okay Donovan, what's your prediction? Warriors in seven

I think I think if it gets back to San Francisco I would be shocked if the Lakers won in San Francisco I would be shocked if they won there and I feel encouraged I feel like they're one they're one good performance away

from getting back to game seven and I think that they have it in them so I'll take the words in seven yeah I'm most confident in my prediction so I get that yeah exactly i if it does end up going back to the warriors in game seven then there's zero chance to the lakers one in my opinion i just don't see it happening whatsoever but um with that

being said i will say that the lakers probably do have this in six i just don't imagine a world and where like lebron is not giving a hundred and ten percent of his efforts rather than like 80 to sometimes 70 what i see in the playoffs like how he has whenever he's been at like the warriors home for for the most part i would say so i got the lakers in six it's just no way i just don't i just do not see the lakers going back over there and winning at that point we're going to see another like three one lead blown and narrative twitter is going to be so nasty yep let me tell you the script and tell you exactly what's going to happen first half of the game you're going to see lebron do the same thing he was doing for the whole playoffs he's in a coast playoff

ball run in transition but let the other guards cook second half if that game was remotely close. He is spamming pick and rolls and he's using the energy he's been saving and it's going to look like classic LeBron versus the Warriors. He's putting Steph Curry in a pick and roll putting Jordan Poole in a pick and roll every single play and he's going to be the post nonstop. They're going to see

they're not going to let AD get stuck on the perimeter anymore. I trust the dog. You're wrong. They're not going to let AD get stuck on the perimeter anymore. We're going to see him go back to being a defensive presence and probably instead of trapping on these screens where he's switching on to Steph Curry they're going to do more of a drop and ignore Gary Payton and then he's going to go back to dominating the rim

and the Lakers are going to win by 15. 15. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I think that I didn't see your action. No, the Lakers are going to win his game and it's the end of the Warriors. Wow, yeah, I need to see Seth Curry unload the clip. He's been unloading the clip the entire time and as long as him and his other splash, bro,

who might get his car revokes, Clay Thompson, if he shows up, then your prediction might be. looking bleak. They're putting Clay's game put him to the orphanage. Oh, man. Yeah, man.

I hope it don't look dumb because this very well could end in Warriors and Seven and I won't not be surprised but you're just going to put it in the air now. All playoffs I keep try not to pick the Lakers every time just like avoid my fandom

being too biased but just lean into it at this point they're going to win. You're too far gone. I keep tip of telling it's like oh, I don't know the Warriors I win the Lakers are going to win. Own it, respect it,

and put it on your chest. And speaking of fandom, I guess, is this a good time to transition to whatever Donovan team is doing the playoffs? That's a segue. That's a segue. That's a segue, Mo. Donovan, tell us about Knicks versus Heath. Tell us about the series. Oh, yeah, the Knicks are going to win in seven.

Oh, okay. The Knicks will win in in seven. Both of these three-one leaves are going down. And I have some shame. I felt. No, no, not even. And I'll tell you why. game five was going to be the hardest game in my opinion to get i actually think it might

it might have been harder than game six um to get i don't feel even as like even though that they were down through one i don't feel that the nicks have been significantly outplayed by miami i don't think that the heat have looked great at all in this series i think that i think the shooting has been kind of erratic for miami as well if you look at it look at at like all of the stats the nix have outrebounded them they have the same amount of steals per game point six uh differential in terms of of blocks the field goal percentage about the same three point percentage about the same what's been the difference has been literally heat culture the he have they've gotten every they've gotten every single loose ball they've hustled

they've hustled more they've been able to to get more of like the timely plays and and in this series, you could talk about all the X's and O's. I don't think that that's what's happening here. This series is very, very, like, dirty and muddy, and it's just, like, slow. It's a rock fight, like, just the entire time. And there's a couple plays that decide the game. I think that the Knicks got their swagger back in game five. And, like, first off, the play Quentin Grimes made, where he gets body checked by Bam at a bio, hurts his leg, and his head. And his hobbling over to guard Jimmy Butler and then steals the ball from Jimmy Butler

like that those are the types of plays that in the first four games were going Miami's way and you saw it in game five go the Knicks way. I think they can take that into game six and if you get a game seven in Madison Square Guard it Jalen Brunson also felt unlocked in game five

right the ISO stuff was working again you get back to game seven I think that the Knicks are winning because again I don't think that the heat have played well enough for me to definitively say, oh, yeah, they're going to win this game. They haven't played well. They've just been, they've played better, but not well. So I think New York, I think New York has a chance. I think that they got it. This past game was a quintessential Tom Tibido game. You talk about Jalen Brunson being unlocked. I fucking hope he is. He played 48 minutes.

He better be unlocked. Two guys, two guys, two guys, him and Quentin Grimes both played 48 minutes. 48 minutes. And listen, RJ Barrett had 26 points. He shot the ball 17 times. Can you rely on that? Probably not, but that's what you need in these type of games. You need world players to explode. And if you look across the aisle, Jimmy Butler shot 12 times, 19 points. We're going to need to see him have his version

of what Jalen Brunson and RJ Barrett just did, where they just unload the clip and play all game. They need that from Jimmy Butler. And I know he's hobbled isn't 100%, but we're going to need one of those old-fashioned bubble. We get the pictures of Jimmy Butler, bent over tired because he's giving his heart out. He needs to do that this game.

It's not what work, though. It's not going to work. I think, like, listen, also, Duncan Robinson came alive in game five. Him and Caleb Martin both came alive from three towards the end of that game. I don't trust both of them to be on from three. Like, that's not happening again. And so I don't see a way where Miami, like, blows this game wide open. Obviously, if they win, I'm not going to be shocked, right?

Like I said, they've been able to, to continue. controlled the pace, it's felt like they've been in control a majority of the series, and it felt like New York has been kind of fighting uphill. But the Knicks, the Knicks are here and they have something. And Julius Randall also had a, he also, he had a very good second half of the game. And there's a lot of offensive momentum for, for the Knicks that they didn't have in the first three games. I think that they can carry it over to Miami. Mo, how do you feel about Julius Randall right now. 13 mom and

great. Oh my God. I mean I, not great. I purposely, to be quite honest with y'all, I purposely avoided watching that game because I thought it was just going to be like why are you laughing at you, man?

Anyways, I thought I was just going to be a wash and I remember yesterday I was in a town in Georgia and I was walking past by bars and stuff like that and I saw the game was was like a, it was not close whatsoever by Miami. Yeah, I was outside.

I just got some ice cream, man, not outside like that. And, uh, I come back home and I see that the game is like 106, 107. And I'm like, what is going on here? Why are the New York Knicks up by this much? And I started to, I hopped on Twitter and I started to see all the minutes that Jalen Brunson was playing and stuff like that. So overall, like, I don't feel good. about the Knicks.

I don't feel good about Julius Randall for, like, one of the reasons, of course, like, he's coming back from injury and blah, blah, blah, blah. But, like, more so, I just don't trust the Knicks because if this dude is supposed to be, if not the best and the second best player on your team or whatever, and he's saying this up that he said a couple nights ago. Maybe I did light a fire fire under him.

I'm like, divert to y'all from what you guys saw. But I just still don't trust them, bro. For the little that I saw, I still don't trust them. I think there's no reason to trust him you're right like it is those cars are j barry can shoot 25 for 25 from the field i'm not trusting him still and that's fine and that's valid listen that that's a that's a hundred percent fair and you cannot trust him but rj since game three of the cavs series has been a completely different player than what he was in the first two the first two he was complete trash and he has turned he's turned it around he's been a very very good player he's he's driving driving to the basket very very strong he's putting a lot of pressure on on the heat's room defense and on top of that the nix also have another level to go josh hart has been he's been a little bit inconsistent he's been in foul trouble right there's been nine minutes is best yeah there's been

there's been foul trouble it's been a little bit of injury right left over from the from the cab series like as he just said he only played nine minutes if he plays 15 17 minutes in game six you're going to get a little bit more more defense he's a he's a he's a great connection he can knock down shots we've seen him do it time and time again i think the nicks have another level that they can go in terms of like their desperation mode on the road and like that the game four game four when they went down three one that that game was 100% lost because they just couldn't figure out how to rebound and they they didn't know how to how to rebound and the three point shots weren't falling.

Man. That's kind of moved a little bit closer to the other end of the spectrum, where they figured out a little bit more how to rebound last game. A couple more shots fell in game five. And as you keep progressing, right, you're going to be able to keep the game close, be in a one possession game. And I think that they, I think that they have it. Like, I, I would not be shocked at the Knicks.

I don't, I didn't realize how bad, like, New York's. bench has been non-existent yeah like literally like non-existent and i don't really i mean this is like a top tom tibital special like you said and maybe it's like set up that way for that but um i don't know in a playoff game like this like you said like jimmy baller only you took 12 shots like when you go back to miami that is not happening he's getting up at least 24 shots so yeah i think we're gonna see we're going to see the game of jimmy's life in game sex I think whether make or miss he is shooting that motherfucker he's going to be shooting a lot of shots

and typically he doesn't have big cold street games just a style of play he doesn't take a lot of threes and a lot of deep shots like he's pretty rare he shoots inefficiently at a high volume so I'm gonna put my faith in Jimmy Butler closing it out but like you said it's such a rock fight that like you it's hard to predict this series either way I'm taking Nixon 7 I can't I also can't think straight when I'm watching this series

So, like, I'm taking the Knicks in seven. I cannot disrespect the Knicks. The last time I did that, they whipped the Cavs' ass in five games. And I and literally almost everyone else was just about wrong. So I can't fault you for that. I'm still taking Miami in six, regardless of the fact, just because I just think that the heat culture and they have more depth and Jimmy Butler is going to have a Hemie Butler type of game once again.

And, yeah, that's the way I'm leaning. Okay. Before we move on at TikTok time, real quick, let's talk about the all-N-B-A teams that has got released. Oh, yeah, let's see it. Because it's an interesting philosophic with a bait to be had here. So, for all-D-Zee, the third team, all-three all-N-B-A teams are put out.

100 voters gave their votes, and this is how it went. Third team is Damien Lillard, who is outside the playing race, Dierrin Fox, LeBron James, Julius Randall, DeMontas-Sabonis. Pretty shock, right? I think Damien Lillard probably deserves it, even though his team is pissed because he was so good.

Yeah, arguably the best team of his career. I don't even think it's arguable. I think it was definitely. Second team. Stefan Curry, who's there because he missed a lot of games? Donovan Mitchell. Jimmy Butler, Nicola Yokic, Jalen Brown.

I thought Donovan Mitchell would be first team, so it's a bit surprising to see him second team. Also a little bit surprising is Jimmy Butler's second team. He didn't have the best regular season in the world. And he wasn't even an All-Star A good amount of time as well Yeah, he wasn't even an all-star Yeah

Wasn't even an all Oh my God, bro But whatever This Jimmy Butler No one's in a throw fit LeBron probably would have been there If he didn't miss time So be it

First team Because he said Donovan Mitchell wasn't there Despite being the third seed And having the best season Of his career First team is Luca Donchich

Joel Embed Jason Tatum Yannis And Shay Gildas Alexander Shout out Shay man That is crazy Shout out of Shane Shout I said I say I love I love say I'm a big fan

I probably I would want to give him my vote I probably would not have voted him though for first team Me neither but I love him so I'll let it slide but yeah I definitely would have voted Donovan Mitchell considering his team was a three seed and he was incredible but as a Shea lover I'll let it happen yeah I think Shay like I don't know it's off for debate as to like who had a better season I think like because Donovan had so much more a lot of help on his team

and the things that he needed to orchestrate like his stats are not going to be just naturally that impressive but overall when it comes to like just overall season he dropped like 71 points this season this season he did he had so many classics this season so many moments and yeah I understand

I love that they're giving Shay respect but this is this is messed up this is criminal this is offensive I don't know if I'm going that far But it is weird because You know It's been a precedent for years

That team success matters in all NBA Just like it wasn't MVP in All-Stars And we're seeing it kind of go away a little bit Because people are learning that It's a team sport And you should probably reward individual dominance Even if their team sucks around them And it holds them back

But it's strange that both first team guards It didn't make the playoffs at all One didn't make the fucking play in But he was so stupendous sure, Luca can still be there, he's Luca. A little bit can be 13, Luca can be first team. I guess I get it. But shaving there, also not making the playoffs is interesting.

Yeah. Yeah. You kind of have to put Demits there. Or J-L-Brown, maybe. No, I would. First team? First team, no. I mean, he was a 27-point-per-game score on the one-seed,

or two-seat actually at by the end. Like, it wouldn't have been shocking. It's kind of the same situation as, Donovan Mitchell I would not consider Jaylen Brown to having one of the two best guard seasons in the league. Me neither. Me neither, but

you know what I'm just saying they're arguing if you had? Am I doing that? Also, what we're on the subject? Andy Davis right? Kind of kind of stuff like he played the same amount of game. He played one more game than LeBron and there's a lot of people on this list that didn't play a lot of games

or that missed a lot of games this season and throughout the entire year all of us were saying that Anthony Davis was having like a career year and kind of look like him it's kind of interesting that he was left off

I don't think it's interesting because it's not surprising because I hate people like all the media of the media but like the media weirdly hates Anthony Davis like y'all saw the NBA on TNT last night and ESPN this morning

they were straight laughing at him for having a concussion or having a fear of concussion yeah like the narratives around him and the way we talk about him in his body is so weird that people have like such a disdain for him for getting hurt so often that it doesn't surprise me he wasn't even an all-star which is crazy yeah what do you guys think about john not making the list it makes sense it's a blanket blanket rule no blickies

so it's how it goes no i mean i i i could it was going to be him or diaron fox for the last spot and i think everyone respects the shit out of fox this year like they were never going to give it they're never going to take them off And Fox, again, was not waving a gun on IG Live. So, like, he's going to get that. Yeah. Yeah, because we're talking about missed games. Jaws' missed games were a lot more hold against themable than somebody else's

misgames. Like, twisting your ankle is one thing. Doing what Jod did is a whole different issue. Oh, man. Yeah. But, I mean, when it comes to a first team, I mean, just to make an all-MBA team from you guys' perspective there's when it comes to things like this or just most NBA awards all we can go by is like what has been done in the past and how players got rewarded and why they're

there all we can just look at is their track record in history so for you guys your own personal opinion you know so like what by what has been done in the past like what qualifies a player to be all NBA it's I look at as a comedy I look at team success a little more in this than like all star or whatever because I I feel like it's a combination of individual excellence. Like you have to be impactful and productive. Like, I'd say 65% that 35% team success. So it matters more how good the player is,

but team success is like how you differentiate it because there's a lot of players that average 30 these days, a lot of players that put up numbers. So I think like impact to winning is a qualifier there. I like the team success aspect in this one as well just because with at the All-Star break, and even though that the break is like, 60 games into the season you still have a final stretch right and so this one is kind of all-encompassing

right you can have you can flip the switch at any any given time and so it it takes into account every every game rather than just like a portion of the season so that's why i like team success here um so like that's why and also with the playing a lot of these teams are a game half a game behind the eight seed so like in under the old rules they would be in the playoffs right or like they would be right around it so it's not it's not egregious that somebody on the on the 10th seed is on first team all NBA because listen the thunder they did win a playing game right they were on the verge of going to the playoffs before they got you know smoked by minnesota but like so i'm okay with shay there i would have honestly more of a disagreement

with luca being there over over dmit yeah but he's lucca but listen there's several guys that we can look at it and like uh but like it's him they didn't make the play in and they traded for kairi irving and they it was luca and kairi irving and they missed the playing and they got worse they got worse and they were in there whenever they made the trade that's a crazy part they fell out so that's that's where my biggest gripe on first team would be and he's the one that i would a hundred percent replace overshay okay but you still have my all NBA though right yeah yeah Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, he's still one of the 15 best players, like, in the league.

Isn't it crazy that in five years of his career, Lucas had four first-team all-N-B-A's. That is insane. First-team all-N-A's. God. And also crazy? The last five straight years, Yannis has been there, and he's gotten 100% of the votes every single time. Not a single voter in five years has put Yonis below first team.

Man, that's ridiculous. That is ridiculous to think about. Look at the media. Doing a wreck for once. Yeah, shout out to them. Shout out to them. My only thing. Like, my only thing, like, I don't know.

I sit there and I'm listening to you guys and how you value team success and I can agree with that 100%. But my brain tells me like, okay, team success, blah, blah, blah, blah, I see Jimmy Butler there. Why is he there? Why isn't someone like Dr. Holiday there? Like, I'd rather put Dr. Holliday because he was an all-star. He played more games. I think Jimmy Butler put up the better counting stats, but it's not by like a huge landslide at all.

Drew Holiday basically put up 25 and 7 a game on great efficiency, you know? So it's like, and he was like the number one seed. So what are we doing here? Yeah, I wouldn't have put Jimmy Butler high either. I probably would have put LeBron over him. Like LeBron this time and it's easy to think about LeBron now is like not all NBA caliber because we're seeing going to be slow and injured in the playoffs playing the foot injury. But early season, LeBron before he hurt his foot, was incredible.

he was averaging 30 like i can't see a justification for putting jimmy above him yeah this stuff needs to be NBA needs to start stripping votes and giving him to people like us that's what I say yeah did you see mark Jackson is the person who didn't have luca on his MVP ballot at all he wasn't top five oh really oh no look i'm not luca no yokech oh kish jockish oh mark jackson wow yeah one person didn't have yokish on there and it was mark jack he's thinking his coaching opportunities man i think i think i think last not or whatever he said it said some idiot didn't have

Nicole Yolkic's top five in their hilarious shot that's ridiculous that's crazy he had Donovan Mitchell in there number five but not that's ridiculous and then he had Shea in there too or on my tripon I don't know is a she I don't know yeah it was some nasty stuff yeah I think it was in Bid Janice Luca Shea and Donovan Mitchell that is crazy you put someone who didn't even make the playoffs and terrible ballot terrible it was horrible yeah man This ass was not paying attention Yeah, nah

You must have done that by accident All right man I think we can move on TikTok time Let's do it Let's get into it Let's get this First thing we're going to do

As always We're going to start off with the draft You guys know the rules And this time We're going to do players Who didn't go to college So that could mean Straight at a high school

G league or international players So I think last time I had second pick So I go first Mo second Donovan third All right That's the order

I bet So Sit up in my chair Let's draft NBA Lineups with players Who didn't go to college Or I gotta say only Let's draft NBA lineups

With only players Who didn't go to college First pick Obviously I got LeBron James Okay I knew you were gonna go there As you should That's predictable

That's a great pick Second pick again predictable but i respect it okay all right we're going to double up here with my first pick give me kevin garnett okay and with my second pick give me tracy mcgrady oh that's a nasty bucket getter combination okay oh man give me nicola yokech oh okay i gotta get him off of isaac's hands Yeah, I for sure would have picked them Yeah Kobe and Yokish is a very complimentary duo

I like that I fucking love it Okay, so now it's my turn again I'm gonna I'm gonna reach a little bit Because there's not a lot of point guards on this list Give me Luca Donchich I knew it, of course

Yep And they give me Yonis on the Cumpo Oh Yonis did not go to college That's nice That's nice Bro is in Greece Cool

I love that I love that Okay so you got Janice Give me Give me Kevin Garnett Give me the big tickets I got him

Keep up You were not Who did you get attention I got Kevin Garnett With my first pick Who was your second pick Tracea McGrady I thought

Oh no I'm gonna gouge my eyes out bro He was not listening I was listening I was listening All right cool All right it's okay It's okay

So I got Kobe and I got Yolk it. Still, I'm gonna rock out. For my third pick in this draft, uh, someone who didn't go to college.

Damn. Ah, fucking hate that I didn't pick up, bro. Shit. I did not do prep. Yeah, I know. I was blown up the toilet before this. Oh, my God.

Oh, man. Okay. Go ahead and give me, Steve Nash for my point guard. Steve Nash went to college. He did? What college to go to? We see Santa Barbara.

Oh my God. Are you serious? Something like that. Yes. No, no, he went to college. Bro, kill me now. Okay. Let me restart that. Yeah, I know, I know. I know. Y'all are going to hate me.

You have five seconds. Okay, go ahead. Before we assign a thing. Okay, go ahead. For my other spot, give me, um, Give me Manu Give me Manu Yeah, there we go

Give me Manu That's tough That's tough That's tough Because that was my next pick So now I have to re-evaluate Okay Uh-oh

All right Let's figure this out Let's figure this out On the fly Y'all got Backup plans to your backup plans That's why we take forever So

Okay With my next pick At my center Give me Dwight Howard Damn I was gonna pick him next Give me Dwight Howard and then I'm going to need somebody

to run the point unconventional but give me Lou Williams Six man at Lou Will Gwynette County legend I like it I think there's a lot of better options for point guards out there But okay Yeah none of my business though Professional score

Listen we're just bucket getters That's all we do No defense on this side Nice So I got a big man and two ball handlers right now I need someone who doesn't really need the rock But can do something with it Give me Moses Malone

That's my center Wait, wait Was it in my turn? No Oh yeah I just your turn It is Wow

Damn Got him Stupid Oh okay Yeah I'm gonna go ahead And do it Payback so bitch Give me Moses Malone

I got backups I'll be fine I know you are backups Go ahead All right So I need a big Next to Janice I just played you

The biggest mind games I need to big next to Janus. I can space the floor. Give me Dirk Niviski. That's fine. Pussy. That's perfectly fine. And then I probably need another shooter since I got the ball handlers. Let's rush the floor. Give me Pajosayakovich.

That's good. That's good. Okay, cool. So I got Manu, Kobe, Moses, Nicola, and I need another wing. And that shouldn't be... You got the slowest front court of all time? that shouldn't be that shouldn't be too hard to find for my wing go ahead for my wing go ahead and give me don't do it don't you dare shit he's gonna do it I'm not gonna do it I'm not gonna do it I'm not gonna do it give me okay for the vibes give me Andre carolinko okay okay so you have

Carolinko, Moses, and Yokic, you have no footspeed on that team. Yeah, yeah. My team is running up and down the court. Okay, listen, all of my defense is in, is in my four and my five. Because at my three, give me Rashar Lewis. Okay. I like that. Shooter.

That's all right. You got some slow teams. Yonis and LeBron running up and down, up and down, up and down. All right, let's see them with our teams. I have LeBron at point guard. Luca at Shooting Guard, Pasha at Small Forward, Dirk at Power Forward, and Janice at the center. Oh, yeah, you have the perfect team. All right.

I got Manu at point guard, Kobe at the two, AK-47 at the three. Then I have Nicole Yolkich and Moses Malone. You got the slowest team of all time. Yeah, my team is slow, but we're going to give you them slow buckets that will irritate your soul. I got Lou Williams Tracy McGrady Why y'all laughing

I don't appreciate this I don't appreciate that We act like Lou Williams is not a professional score We act like Lou Williams isn't him You know Two girls one time Lou Will That's him

That's him He's that guy You can have him Okay Lemon Pepper Lou Let me Okay I have Lou Williams

Trace McGrady Rishal Lewis Kevin Garnett And Dwight Howard again rim defense incredible all I'm saying is

if you didn't pick Lou Williams you could have had a lamello ball or Tony Parker I think I would take Lou over oh you're you're an answer for that you don't mean that

you don't mean that he doesn't believe that put your ego down man you say it with a straight face dude oh you don't I'm Lou I just realized

everybody in the comment Pause our video. Go watch Prime Blue Williams Highlights right now to remind y'all What this guy is like Prime Blue Williams is a bucket I think Prime Blue Williams

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Y'all are disrespectful Y'all are disrespectful Let's move on to the next video The next thing we're going to do is another tier list like always and we're going to do a tier list of MVP seasons okay so this should be interesting

so yeah it's an individual player and individual seasons and we got to put them in the tier list so nice slurping there bro his soups have been gigantic this episode man it's taking big gulps

let's put these NBA MVP seasons into a tier list first off 2016 Steph Curry S tier easy as never seen before you may be the best offensive season of all time it's up there

arguably for sure how about 2017 Russell Westbrook that's an 8 tier that's an 8 tier don't yeah I think 8 tier okay cool I thought you were immacculent

during the last game of the season I think he secured like the triple double record knocked out the Denver Nuggets from like playoff contention and also he had the game winner like yeah along with that In terms of the storyline, just amazing. In terms of just, like, impressive performances and doing the most with the least,

it's got to be up there. But he's just not as good as the top tier guys like Steph, so he can't be in that top, top tier, but he's damn there. I know. But as time goes on, if you really look at Russell Russell's play style, career high for the 3-point percentage, and also the team around him, bro, he was playing, his front court, nasty. Victor Lidepo, pre-All-Star.

That was the second best player. He was him back then. Maybe he was minimizing him. I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't have had Sub bonus in the corner. All right. All right. Spot up shooter sub bonus?

I don't know. Ew. That's Billy Donald's fault. Or Scott Burch's house. Whoever. All right. Next up. 2011 Derek Rose.

That's a B, I want to say, but A's the lives were immaculate. It's B. I don't know. Youngest, youngest doesn't mean he was a better player. One seed? Yeah, but we're talking about him. Impressiveness, though. Listen, he was the one seat in a LeBron-led conference.

66 wins? When his second best player was Joe Keem Noah? I'm not saying he's C or D, but... You all dang? Carlos Boozer. If you stack his production up next to the other... Tage Gibson. Come on, here.

Come on now. Where are you? I'm going to be. I want to say A, but realistically speaking... Kirk Heinrich? Not better than MVP. P. Russ. So he his seasons equates to that. Definitely

B. B it is. The vibes are. Mike Don Levy? Guys, what are you doing? This is a great year. It is. It's an MVP season. He deserves it. B is not D. I disagree. 2023, Joelle and Bede. Do I want to say B or C?

It can't be higher than B. I think B's okay. I kind of want to say Listen, Joelle's going to hit me This is a C Yeah This is an MVP Won by False Kendrick Perkins

Narratives And an attempt to start The Race War It's a C It's a C I can't support it I can't do this You know

It's definitely worthy of an MVP Like he does 100% deserves it But compare it to other MVP's not that impressive So I can rock with C Yeah absolutely it wasn't hands down and also it felt really forced it wasn't like a wash oh he's definitely the MVP it felt like here yeah you can have it don't bother me anymore type of yeah the rest of these aren't debatable there was he was they were cleared the MVP and this is obviously debatable season easily next last one 2012 lebron james oh 2012 lebron james is the s s tier that's for sure all of you could pay any of lebron's years in miami even the ones he did

didn't win MVP, and they would still be S-tier MVP years. Yeah. God, that's crazy. I said Steph Curry might be the best offensive season ever. This is 2012 the Brown might be the best player ever, individual season ever. It's ridiculous. That shit was never seen before.

What he was doing back then? God, man. And y'all were too busy hating on him. Shame on you. That's the tier list. People can be real mad about some of those. I know. The D-Rose, people are going to slaughter you for that.

Let them. All right. next thing we're going to do you guys are going to have to guess these NBA teams base off their starting fives points per game so I'm going to go ahead right now and I'm going to text you some numbers points per games and you guys are going to have to tell me who this team is hopefully it doesn't take all year if you guys get the text no I think I got that good Wi-Fi this time can you guess these NBA teams by their starting five's points per game first off this one point guard 19 points shooting

guard 17 small forward 15 points Power 4, 24 points. Ooh. And center 13 points. It's a very well-rounded. Wait, is this, this year? This is the Toronto Raptors. Well, that was fucking easy.

Yeah, that's the Toronto Raptors. It had to be. It had to be. Look at that. Look at that. Yeah, it had to be. I thought the addition of Yakupoto would throw you off

because he wasn't always a starter at center. Yeah. I didn't know he had a average 13. That's kind of crazy. Shout to Jakob. Jake Puddle. Jake Puddle. how about this one wait mode don't say nothing hasn't come in yet

hopefully we're always doing with this man's Wi-Fi I know listen one day I'm gonna get good Wi-Fi I got it I got it for the audio and visit video listeners this is point guard 29 points shooting guard 22 small forward 17 power forward 8 and center 7 this has to be the warriors you sure about that has to be that's pretty that's pretty definitive language over there ah it might be actually i think so i'm gonna take the warriors yeah okay well it's the warriors so i guess you're right there you go there you go if it wasn't the words i'm gonna say is this

the grisleys but yes who was dillenbrook averaging 17 nah that was the biggest tell yeah eight and seven that that luni draymond pairing woke up feeling dangerous every night yeah eight seven is so stark row that's crazy All right, what about this third one? How about this one? I don't know what it is. It really doesn't matter where I'm at. All right, we're good, we're good.

All right, so point guard, 24 points, shooting guard, 11 points, small 4, 20 points, power 4, 25 points, and center, 7 points. This is a little bit harder. Definitely a little harder than the first two. Yeah, definitely a little harder. this is a man this point guard small for it and power forward thing is kind of dangerous it's weird because i want to say i want to say the um the bucks but i just because it's like the one three four but it doesn't fit there right janus is yonis is closer to 30 yeah it's definitely not the bucks um a lot of like a lot of teams had three three points scores like

I mean you think of like the Washington withers who had three three 20 points scores There's there's no way there's no way if the if this was the wizard's team there's no way they're there as bad as as they were Imagine Monty Morris starting point guard 24 points per game This can't be that yeah not the center is really the center is by far the worst player though on this team I mean on the start worst score all right let me see this what So 24 points per game and 25. So this is a big. Is this the New York Knicks?

This is the New York Knicks. Wow. Wait. There you go. Who average? No way he averts 20 a game. Don't say so. Average 20.

He averaged 20? Shut your mouth. I think so, yeah. Shut your mouth. Oh my God. No, listen. To be fair, it was the most inconsistent 20 you were ever seen your life. It's crazy.

That 20 threw me off, bro. I thought this was a nice team. technically is 19.6 but we'll give it to him all right 20 let's call it 20 damn that's crazy shot to Mitchell robinson sorry for this lander how about this team that's the Philadelphia 76 is right there gosh yeah that 33 set out MVP joel

you got three points per game yeah PJ Tucker's crazy three points a game washed up yeah I remember another team team. Can you think of another team has ever had a starter scored 10 times as much as another starter? That's crazy. That's insane. Yo, that's 11 times. 11 times as much. Wow. This man is historic. This man is historic. One of the greatest of all times to not, this man is historic, one of the greatest of all time to not put the ball in the basket.

He's a straight cardio. Dynamic duo. Straight cardio. Yeah. Shout to Tyree. 20 a game is smooth. All right, next one. We got a little more even. You got it, Donovan? Yeah. Talk me through your thoughts. Okay.

Point guard, 26 points per game. Shooting guard 20, small 420, power 420, power 413, and center 12. Small 415, this is, misspoke. Ooh, small 415, power 413, center 12. So how are we feeling about this? I could say this is Trey Young. and the Atlanta Hawks I feel like

Trace scored a little bit more but I'm gonna defer to you and you're in your Hawks fandom we'll go with the Atlanta Hawks Lock it in Correct Yeah Yeah

I could tell The way it started to trickle down Makes sense Yeah Every position gets worse and worse Yeah exactly This is the Hawks I know my team

I know mid when I see it This man's a mid magician Yeah Alright, less one. You got it, Donovan? Yeah, I got it, I got it. Point guard 25 points per game, shooting guard, 15, small forward, 13, power forward 15, and center is 19. Now, this is tough.

So this point guard is averaging 25 points per game in the center. It's getting up a smooth 19, damn near 20. 19 is close to 20 correct yeah okay is this this is Tirees Halliburton and the Indiana Pacers

is this not I thought they were much better Tyreys is not in 25 for sure Tyreys is closer to 2021 yeah I thought he was like that he failed me so for that 25 1 from game mark

there's a lot of point guards I'd be scoring like this yeah exactly There's a lot of point guards. What point guard? Damn, 25 points. There was a lot. It's a lot.

I'm not sure. Okay. Let's start to think. Let's start to think. So in the West, I don't think it could be anybody in the Pacific Division because we already got the Warriors. Oh, wait. Oh, no.

This is the Sacramento Kings. This is Beam Team. Oh, nice. You saved that. You saved us with that one. I wouldn't have never a guess, bro. And I'm just about to cross. The bonus average only 19.

Wow. Interesting. Yeah, because you average like eight assists per game. I thought it was more like 17 or something like that. But cool. Stop man. Awesome. Beam.

All right. So that's that segment. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to do another type of draft that we started last week where we draft players based off traits. This time we're going to do point guards only. Okay. So if you didn't see the last episode how it works is

instead of drafting one through five, like drafting a team, We draft body, shooting, finishing, passing, and defense until we build a perfect player. So last time I had the first pick, so I have third now. Who was second last time? I think that was Donovan. Yeah, so Donovan's first, most second, I'm third. Let's build the perfect NBA point guards.

Donovan, you go first. The best trait. Give me Steph Curry's shooting. Yeah, it's going to be the first pick in all these. You're all doing for that, bro. Okay, Steph Curry shooting. Give me the second best shooter in the league, Damien Loader's shooting. After that, there's a gap.

Oh, okay, okay. Damn. Give me Marcus Smart's defense. Okay. Fraud. Continue. And then the next one, I think I can go a lot of ways with this.

Give me Lamello's body. Oh, okay, ankles. Let's go. I got a 6-7 lockdown. He's not slow. Yeah, yeah, he's not slow, but What's your word? Okay, okay

What'd you got? All right, so it's my turn Cool So for Go ahead and give me Drew Holiday defense Okay, I should have picked him over smart I like that

Yeah, Drew Holiday defense for sure Hmm, okay I'm trying to think We're talking point guards Give me Drew Holliday's body Oh wait he's off the board Oh no you already said that Where the rules were they're going

You already said that I mean he can't take a player's I literally can't pick it Okay I want to see you guys in it I want a bitching a plane All right Give me

Hmm Give me Trey Young's handles There's no handles I forget the I forget the categories Body shooting finishing

finishing passing a defense Okay Oh give me Kyrie finishing Fuck I was a bit Kyrie shooting Yeah All right Damn Give me Kyrie finishing

And oh that screwed me This is This is tough This tough Because I want to pick this guy But his body Fails him a lot But if we're going

No injuries Give me Ben Simmons Give me Ben Simmons' body. Ben Simmons can't move anymore. That's a horrible pick. Bro, he's got the back of an 80-year-old. I said-Bred Simmons dribbles like my grandma. Listen, we'll put somebody else's handles on him, right?

But we're just talking 6-10. Barring injury. That's not going to make him move? That back's right for real. Barring injury, I will take. Either way, he can finish like Kareen, he can shoot like Step Curry. He can't finish like anybody anymore. I just told you.

I just picked Kari's. finishing. Oh, that's a later. Watch, when I put this into 2K, I'm beating you all on part. I'm winning. All right. Go ahead. Give me, so I have Day Miller shooting, Drew Holiday Defense.

Give me John Morant's finishing. Oh, I was going to pick that next. Yeah. Okay. Give me James Harden passing, first of all. And then give me Shea Gildes-Alexander's finishing. Nice. Give me the better pass.

That's, oh, that's very debatable. Give me the better passer, Luca Donchich. Okay. And that's, yeah, so that's my pick. Ooh, now, now all I have left is athleticism slash body. I thought Luke was already picked. I don't know why I know that. Damn.

You're not slipping. Hold it. Okay. So I got, I got Bentham's body, Steph Curry shooting, uh, Kyrie finishing. Give me Tyrese Hallibur in passing. I love that. that oh that's a great pick that's a really good pick and give me does he if he still counts

give me dejante murray defense i think we think we can't him as a shooting guard after this year are we are we counting him as a shooting guard i think i guess we have to yeah i think he was labeled as a shooting guard okay i should check that okay give me give me davion mitchell's defense i love okay that's a good i like that's a good I love that. That boy's a tough defender. Off night. Okay.

Okay, cool. So all I have left is body and athleticism. This is tough. Because y'all got the good ones outside of Ben Simmons. Who's body you want? Relax. Relax. Whose body do I want?

I'm going to pick the better 6-7 guard. guards body and athleticism first off uh kate cunningham okay okay okay okay not bad last pick give me Seth Curry's shooting let me say it again last big give me Seth Curry's shooting one of the better shooters in the NBA for show so who do I got I got Lamello's body James Hardin's passing Seth Curry shooting Shays finishing and Marcus Smart defense. Nice. Okay. I have Ben Simmons body, Steph Curry shooting, Kyrie finishing, Tyrese Halliburton passing, and Davion Mitchell defense. Nice. I got Drew Holliday defense. Damien Lillard shooting. And then I have, uh, whose body do I have? Oh, Kate Cunningham body. Uh, what are the

other ones again? I got shooting. Uh, Luca Donch is passing. And then, um, Dude, my CTE is kicking in heavy. I can't remember anything. Yeah, I can't remember anything. Let's move on. Yeah, move on. I won. That's all we need to know.

Okay. Next TikTok we're going to do. We're going to talk about NBA all decades teams and which ones would be better. So I'm going to send you guys a couple of these teams real quick that are from the official NBA all decades teams that were released a couple years ago. So I'll just say the hook. which NBA all decades team would win in it which NBA all decades team would win the 2010s or the 90s

Wardell Curry the second you think I'm passing up on that man along with LeBron KD the weakest point in this is Marcus Hall he would be fried he would be disastrous alongside a key

I don't think he would a market he didn't win a defensive player of the year right yeah yeah was a great defender like i mean he's i'm gonna go 20s brown though he's stolen from brown i i'm going 20 tens yeah i'm gonna go 20 tens too just because just because john stockton yeah he's getting cooked yeah john stockton and malone hardin's gonna obliterate him yeah malone is getting put through the blender bro this is he don't say the chance i think about the malone has to run back and forth with the court guarding kd on the perimeter no chance

the ball movement for this team is going is insane, bro. They're not going to be able to keep up or catch up. Barclay and MJ are going to be cool. And Barclay is small forward. This team does not have good defense despite having Hakeem at the center.

Like, they're going to be slow. Yeah, absolutely, bro. Right off the court. Not even close. Modern supremacy. It is funny that I give Jordan any mind. Do you mention Michael Jordan? Yeah, I know.

I mean, we already know what he's going to do. Like, no one really talks about. I'll join this team. Yeah, Jordan and Bron are going to get there. So it's really about everybody outside of them. Yeah, exactly. And I think everyone, I mean, outside of Hakeem is like an extra step. Obviously, Akeem and like MJ, of course.

But everyone else is like an extra step ahead of everyone. Yeah. Okay. So next one is the 80s versus the 2000s. The 80s. This one's a lot closer, I think. Yeah. Closer.

I think I'm taking the 80s. Really? Is that easy? I think I'm going to take the 80s. Magic. Magic can dominate Steve Nass. He's going back him down all day. Larry Bird,

Larry Bird and Dr. Jay. Them two on the fast break is going to be nasty. That's going to be a very underrated fast break combo. And this 2000 team is slow? Dirk at the three? Who's he going to guard? I almost immediately think like... You probably guard Dirk.

I mean, Bird. bro yeah it has to be bird but you got tim duncan and dr jay like that foot speed difference is crazy i know and mj and jordan arguably the two best players out of like their entire these two entire teams and if you have the two best players along with like dirk playing defense it's not looking bright yeah i'm going to i'm going 80s you're right you're right 80s for sure yeah yeah they screwed this two thousand team about putting dirk at small for forward like that's great he is he's out of position against these really really fast guys in the other team?

Deep fried. That's what you did. But is is 2000s Kobe? How close to 2000s Kobe to 80s Jordan? It was pre-prime Jordan. Even then,

I think like still 80s Jordan is still there. Young Jordan was putting up his most points of his career. Didn't you ever 36 like a third year? Yeah, something like that. 36 or 37? Yeah, he was different.

And had a deep. P-O-Y? Still. What he said? And he had a D-P-O-Y in the 80s? Oh, yeah. Yeah, what? Damn, young Jordan might be locking up Kobe.

I don't know. Yeah, exactly. He was different. The team was... Steve Nash is wildly out of place in these lineups. Steve Nash is getting fried. I know. I immediately see him and I'm like,

who is he supposed to guard? What is he supposed to do on defense? He might have to save his energy and just, like, twiddle his thumbs until it's offensive time. He must be he might as well coach him. this team and they play four on five will they be a good coach team no they'd be the worst coach team yeah there's bad option versus bad option yeah it's a lose my boy

all right last thing we got before we get out of here it's a long episode donovan i think you have another conspiracy video for us yes sir i got you i got you we did we did this like a month ago now where we reacted in to mba conspiracy theories and whether we think they're true or not We've got another round of them. All right. All right. Are good? Yeah.

Mo out there. Mo out there with the big old. Put that fucking cup down. I know. There was nothing in there. I was like these. I'm so down bad. Nuisance.

So the hook is, are these NBA conspiracy theories factor cap? All right. Let's go. Are these NBA conspiracy theories fact or cap? All right. Okay. KD joined the Warriors just to slow down Under Armour's growth.

that's insane hating are you serious yeah Nike sent oh he's a Nike sleeper agent that's crazy the thing is that Nike sent KD to slow down Steph Curry and under armor oh take the shine away back to their athlete who was like they probably also

thought LeBron was going to be aging out of it soon and he need Katie to go to the forefront that is genius I hope that's true I gotta be cap though there's no way Katie would do that yeah I was cap for sure but that's some big brain Nike shit that they're probably like thinking about in the moment they're glad it happened yeah and he did just get a lifetime contract and i don't know if kd shoes are worth a lifetime contract so

maybe there was some under the table type deal yeah maybe he paid it forward oh he paid it forward he paid it forward by making that move and now they're rewarding him the back he did steal the shine this might be fact low key okay okay yeah let's say fact i love it next one draymond was suspended in 2016 purely for ratings No cap that man is a dick puncher through and through he's doing his whole life They couldn't stand for that cap It's it's cap it's cap also in the same playoffs He kicked Stephen Adams in the nuts like you can't tell you

That's what he does you can't let him go unchecked Yeah What was that I want to say sack he doesn't want to punch Oh Oh, my God, bro, that's crazy. Yeah, Jamon Green's fouling highlights are easily better than any defensive player in the NFL, bro. All right.

It has a hit stick. Next one. Jimmy Butler is Michael Jordan's son. Ooh, you know, I love this one. This is my favorite one. Yeah, it's got to be fact. Got to be. Fact.

Jimmy's different. Jimmy's never met his dad. That's all I'll say. Isn't that a thing? Yeah, yeah, that's what he's based around. There's a hole there to be filled by a certain legendary NBA player. It makes sense. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

It makes sense because obviously background, stature-wise, obviously, like, Jimmy doesn't have the athleticism. Almost nobody does that MJ's had. This has to be fact, though. Mentality, it's in the bloodline. Okay. Show me the birth certificate. Yeah, exactly. All right, all right.

Next one. It's obviously a cap, but it'd be funny. Next one. Blake Griffin's slam dunk contest was rigged by Kia. Oh, it's a car thing? Yeah. Wait. How was it rigged?

I'm missing on on this one. Kia had a new car coming out and they told Blake Griffin to jump over the hood. And if he did it, they would give him the slam dunk contest, the championship. They're in a cahoots of the NBA? Yeah. I want to say fact because that dunk was so unimpressive for the hype it got. but dunk contest judges

are notoriously unreliable and bad at their jobs so maybe they were just like ooh car is shiny and they gave him a tent yeah now this is this is fact

this is fact the NBA is about its dollars and Kia Kia got in on it this is this is fact I can see it that is a fraudulent slam dunk contest championship

I won't say I love it I feel like next year we're going to see Hamadu Diyalu jump over a Tso watch and win it so I can see that jump over

He's going to have that thing on. He's going to have like 10 watches on this. He's going to have like 10 watches on this. And he's going to look at the time. It's going to be egregious. They're going to have somebody to play some live and air, Fandul. Yeah.

Crazy. All right. Next, next one. Paul Pierce actually sharded himself instead of getting hurt in the 2008 finals. 100% facts. I will live and die by this one. Paul Pierce shit his pants and he will not admit it. Every time he's asked on TV, he'll swear it.

down through and through, but we all know it's true. Yeah, exactly, bro. Why not keep it real? We all have those moments where we just got to lie our way out to the situation to go use the bathroom. Fact! I don't know who, where was that play? What city was that in?

What city was that game in? It was in Boston. I was in Boston. Okay, it was in Boston? Yeah. I just know every Boston celebrity on the side of the court. Matt Damon can smell Paul Pierce from across the court. I know for a fact was the thing.

Crazy. last one this is this one is actually kind of my personal favorite the denver nuggets signed dionj jordan just so that yoke just on-off numbers look better oh they're pushing the agenda this is crazy that's crazy light years thinking i love this they pushed for his MVP so hard that they said give us the worst player in the league we're going to skew these numbers ourselves And it looks, and the little guys cooked up in the office and was like him, DeAndre Jordan ain't done none since 2016. It was like that scene in Moneyball. We had Jonah Hill on looking at a spreadsheet.

Deandre Jordan, he's the worst player in the NBA. We need them. I would say fact because it's funny. But I'm going to say cap because there's been four GMs in the past few years that have been tricked into thinking they need DeAndre Jordan on the roster. So I think he just has like, the real conspiracy theory is, Gianja Jordan has information on somebody in the league office, and they're mandating him to have a job. Damn,

he just can't be a good guy. Maybe he's a vibes. He's a amazing guy. Gives the greatest high-fives ever, bro. Exactly. He's a good. No, this is Paola.

He has to be a good card player. That's the only thing I could think of. He has photos of somebody. He has to be killing them Burey tables. Now, he convinced K.D., Kyrie, Nicole Yolkitch, all these stars. LeBron. God, man, it's insane.

The lake. Baker signed him. Crazy. He has information. Crazy. He's an informant. Yeah. All right.

That was it. That's the end of my list. This man is Snowden. Fire. All right. Well, that's the end of the show. If you're still here, comment, why does Jean-J Jordan have a job? God.

Wild. Oh. All right. Peace. See you later.