The Deep 3 Podcast - We Overreacted To Every NBA Team's First Game | Ep. 164

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

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When you're with Amex Platinum, you get access to exclusive dining experiences and an annual travel credit. So the best tapas in town might be in a new town altogether. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Terms and conditions apply. Learn more at Amex.ca. is it the macha or am I this energized from scoring three Sephora holiday gift sets definitely the sets full size and minis bundled together what a steal and that packaging so cute it practically wraps itself and I know I should be giving them away but I'm keeping the summer Fridays and rare beauty by Selena Gomez I don't blame you the best holiday beauty sets are only at Sephora gift sets from summer Fridays rare beauty way and more are going fast get full size favorites and must have minis bundled for more If there's one thing we as NBA fans are going to do, it's hate.

If there's a second thing, we as NBA fans are going to do, it's slander. If there's a third thing we as NBA fans are going to do, it's overreact. And all those things are true at all points, but especially after the first game of the season, and we are no different. We are here today to overreact to every single NBA team's first game. Look at Donovan doing his dance. in his elements the hot takes are back the hate's flowing through his veins he's here I'm ready

sue me shoot me throw me in jail month for this basketball is back we're ready to yap about every single team we've seen so far this season cue the intro music let's pod we're throwing it back

that's crazy he was bragging I don't need a shit Like we said, we're going to frame this as one overreaction for every single team that we've seen so far. We're recording this on Thursday morning right now before the Thursday night game, so we haven't seen the Nuggets or the Pacers yet. But at the end of this segment of the show, before it took our time, we're going to come back with a part of record tonight after those games. So we'll gloss over a couple teams, but we'll see them later on. Are you guys ready?

Of course. Let's do it. Let's yeah. I'm ready too. But before we get to our first game, I've got to remind you guys, if you are just coming back after missing the whole summer. of NBA content, just checking in with us to see what's going on with now the NBA's back. We started an NFL show called House Call. Check it out. It'll be in the description. Pin comment most likely. Same show as this, essentially, once a week about the NFL, same shorts and clips,

same long form, three-hour show, about a whole other sport. Oh, beautiful. Multi-sport creators. It would be happening every single Tuesday. Yep, every single Tuesday. Now with that being said, back to the NBA talk. I want to begin. Please. With our Lord and Savior. Please. Today will be the Wemby Glaise episode. Oh my goodness.

Oh, my God. It happened. He's saving basketball. We've said it. We've said it so many times before. The NBA world has been defined, divided for years between LeBron and Jordan that no longer matters. We have somebody to come here and rescue us from first take arguments, barbershop back and

forth. Wembe is here to be the undisputed goat of NBA here. He's funny. We've been saying that for the past year. We've been talking about this is the future goat. It's like half joking, half embellishing because we know he has a potential. But we're kind of serious that like we've never seen a guy coming to the league and be this, obviously a legend from day one.

I'm sure this is how people felt when they saw LeBron, when they saw MJ. This is our first version of this, right, of a day one era parent. But it's been theory for the past, let's call it calendar year since he's been like all-star level. It's no longer theory. Prime Wimby is here. In this first game, my overreaction, the Wimby era. has begun. This is to me, after one game, an overreaction, clearly

now at the point where he is top four or five player in the world, one of the best players, ready to win now as good as he'll ever be probably like 06 LeBron where he entered that prime stage. Still got better in some ways, but he was there as that guy. That's what we just saw last night. Listen, outside of

Yolkinton and Shea, you want to say Wembe is the third best player in the world. You got it. Yeah. That's it. What we saw last night, that is a, and obviously, like he's going to have to you know win some stuff whatever i don't care last night was a 2k demi god build come to life in play style in ability in build in everything in dominance on the court the fact that they the fact that like he had that type of game and they won and they dominated and it wasn't just

like oh but you still lost to to the mavericks and you're still doing this that was clearly somebody coming out and showing yes i can i can do me i can dominate in all these different ways I can also elevate my team and put us in a position to where now we can start winning games and being a top six, top five seed in the, in the West, which I didn't think that was going to happen. I had them in like eight or nine, and I put them at eight because I thought of the Wimby factor. Again, what we saw last night is this team could be outside of the plane and be in the upper echelion of the Western Conference. Yes, I agree with you for all those things that you said. Going back to our last episode when we made our predictions, I was very much in the same bowl. vote as you. I put the San Antonio Spurs as the eighth seed. But initially, I made a last

minute change. You guys don't remember this, but I made a last minute change on my list. I think I had them initially as like a nine or tenth seed. Both them up because I'm like, yo, if one beat genuinely is that guy, then this team no matter what is going to make the playoffs. I don't give a fuck what Stefan Castle looks like. I don't give a fuck what their center plays looking like. I don't care about generally. So I know like if he is generally like one of the five, one of the three like just an all time status player that we see once every literally 20 years going back to what you said when comes to lebron and mj that status then you're doing things that people have that status do which is go ahead and drop 40 and 15 have your game look so mature be so

poison strong bro he dropped 40 but he dropped 40 in the most like in the most unorthodox way that we tend to see you only took two threes this game yeah it's not even unorthodox it's normal which is crazy right because he's so unnormal normally it's so normal you're thinking it is normal it's not normal I just mean like when we seen him had these big games before it was when he got hot from three and he had 50 because he just hit a million jumpers and it's like people have always had this caveat that like yeah he's special he's doing this stuff but he's still weak

he's still not exactly dominated the pose still has all these areas to go you guys are glazing him too much none of that's true anymore they used him in the way that everyone says they need to be using him because his body is developed you said he's strong now that's the headline to me His body is here. It's developed. He's, you know,

all the people talking about the Hakeem stuff. He's focusing on the post moves more refined than ever. All of that came true together at once,

I think. His IQ is clearly better. His footwork is clearly better and skills clearly better. His understanding of his body, his strength and ability to dominate physically without just relying

on shooting over people was ready. It's all coming together that this is full package wouldn't be. Everything we thought about in theory is here. Yeah.

And look, if you could put that that clip back up of this highlight, we've never, we've never, seen this of a guy who is like 7-5-7-6 get the block then immediately Stefan Castle was drafted to be a point guard he gives it back up to the

75 dude who then brings the ball up the floor I'm gonna go tween twine cross and come and hit a step back four point play like all of those things like the the footwork like you said and a lot of times when people talk about footwork it's in it's in like post game it's in post moves to have the footwork and the fluidity to be able to do that and get to get back to the three point line and know where you're at that's that's insane this specific dunk where now he's out here just doing reverse reverse dunks not jumping either on reverse dunks it's crazy and he was playing anthony davis and derrick lively a team that is gigantic and built to stop interior scores and he was giving hammer belt back shots he was

everywhere nobody could stop him he was truly unstoppable as an interior score he hung around on the side and took the dump off passes to finish shots. He attacked from a high pose angle creating any shots he wants against any defender. He still shot jumpers, still was shooting over people just fine. The passing field was there. He was hitting guys in transition, hitting guys up cutting. Obviously the defense

outlandish. People were scared to take jumpers. Clay Thompson hit a fucking layup off the front iron because he was so scared trying to get it off real fast. Last time I felt this way about a single player taking over and me thinking like, wow, this is a performance I'll never forget, was Victory Woman

yam on Christmas last year he's just one-uping himself continuing to get more ridiculous anybody who calling you a glazer because you're saying wimpy is that guy you've been saying him for a couple years anybody you see in youtube comments you see on twitter seeing you guys are glazing too much hit them with a car they're not glazing enough they need to they need to glaze more yeah brother like my main overreactions like yeah he is one of the gen like we throw the word around especially me throw the word around and whenever time i throw it around you're like just like grimace in your face generational he embalt he embalt he embalt he and bodies, that terminology, that word to a T, it's him, M.J. LeBron, and then, of course, you can

sprinkle in other guys like Curry, of course, and all that. But the innate unique abilities when it comes to the footwork, the athleticism, the length, there's only like a handful of guys, really two guys in the history of the league who embodies into that at the highest degree of every level of the game offensively. But being able to be able to do defensively well is ridiculous. And the other guy that I'm referencing to, referencing to, outside of Wemby, is Kevin Durant. And he doesn't have the defensive

mastermind length or agility or just awareness or just keen ability to give a fuck when it comes to position to position. So, generational. He is generational. He is going to be the best player probably for the rest of this decade. That's my overreaction. There we go.

And what's nice is it wasn't just a game that he went crazy, right? It directly correlated to amazing performance from his team. In this game, his team had a 125.3 offensive rating. They were moving. And this roster is better. You know, Stefan Castle looks good this year. They have Cornette, who's another good big big big lineups, they can run two big lineups with going to be out there. That's a nice look. They have Harrison Barnes. They have Vassell. They have big professionals that are good, solid enough play finishers, right? But it's not a super talented roster without Deeran

Fox there. You know, Dylan Harper's still young. All these guys are still young and not amazing two-way players. The looks they were generating because of Victor Wimbenyama's force and his ability to create plays and keep pushing in transition with defensive stops, the gravity he was drawing in as a score. They were so good at utilizing that. I don't know if it's a Mitch Johnson thing

in his first full year as a head coach. I got to think more about it and watch more of it. But it felt like they did a way better job utilizing him and his gravity to make people better. Yeah, we'll see what happens going forward because the other part of it, it is you're playing the Dallas Mavericks who don't have a point guard

and we're starting their first overall pick of a cover flag who can have. has like some playmaking and ball handling abilities he's not a point guard though right like everybody talks about his his playmaking as in terms of like a tool in his bag but not like his main you know his main strength so you're going up against that team but that was supposed to be a mavericks team that was going to rely on their defense for for the season and to go up against ad to go up against derrick lively and we're looking at we're looking at the mavericks and putting them in the playing conversation

because we know that their defense is going to be a lead. And it's like, oh, it's going to be so hard to score on them. And the one of me's like, bro, you're stupid? Like, it was actually quite easy, right? They shot 75% at the rim against a team with Anthony Davis, Derek lively, and Cooper Flagg, like, it's a big-ass team. And I'll tell you, this is the biggest team that they will ever face for the rest of the year.

And look what Dallas shot at the rim with those guys I just named 28% as a team. Zero-eth percentile through one night. That means it's the worst of any team. individual game so far, 28% at the rim is absurd. I've never seen that for this fucking game for an entire team. Now part of that is we'll get into

their shot creation issues, the fact that they did this Cooper flag of point guard thing. Offence was bad in their own right. It wasn't just Wemby. But I bet the offense will look better if Wembe wasn't out there. Yeah.

Yeah. Like honestly, when it comes to talking about grab, the gravity of Wembe, because gravity really pertains to both sides of the fucking court and that's what elevates every single player on his team to another degree and makes her job way harder, way easier

because you got this fucking monster demigod dude just doing whatever the fuck he feels like with the craziest ease and touch ever. You know, like, of course, Wimby's the, he is the poster boy of this conversation. He is like very much the next guy to come into his own. He's going to fucking win. He genuinely has potential to win MVP, DPOI, fuck hell. Like say MIP2 all in one year. Like, that's how big this overreaction is.

And I don't even think what I'm saying is legitimately that crazy. Like, if he puts up, like, if he averages 33 points and he carries a spurs to, let's say, the fourth seat or something like that, how hard is it going to, how hard is it going to be to not make an MVP case for him? No, this, this feels like, again, through one game, overreacting on purpose, it feels like a 2019 yonist type of year where he jumps into MVP caliber and he goes something really good and we're like, oh, that's coming to, oh, no, we didn't expect the team to be good so far. I mean this quickly they're here

because of him he's clearly in that tier right away yeah sometimes it comes overnight sometimes you know it might be coming but don't know when and then one day it's all over you so happy look at the shot chart 71% from the field 15 for 21 one shot outside the three point line

what the hell who the fuck are you laughing he said I don't know what that means you know what that means oh man but yeah it's all over you continue

yeah utter ridiculous domination it just it feels like we're witnessing the birth of a legend in one night because no he's had great games before this isn't new this felt different

it truly truly felt different you also know what I thought I witnessed to or felt for the first official time. I'm witnessing the birth of a fucking future All-Star and Dylan Harper, too. The game just looks so incredibly easy for him out there, the way he's able to just carve and knife and not waste too much movement or foot speed when it comes to his ability to stop and go and just get to the rim and be all types of crafting and pull out the, like, craziest angles when it comes to finishing out the rim.

Like, he is so absurdly talented. And I find it very, very hard to feel like he won't. will be, I don't say starting at the end of the year, but when it comes to the level of important, he's going to be one of the three most important players for this Spurs team this year. And the birth, like, the birth of an all-star that you saw and the birth of a superstar that you saw, I saw a potential death of a legend in Clay Thompson. Oh, shit. It did not look good yesterday. And I am like, a lot of this for Dallas, especially with Clay,

like, he's shooting in his gravity. like he he will be fine but it was also very clear yesterday like we are in the true end days of the Clay Thompson like experience even it's already been there right like we've seen a decline especially after the the injuries but it was it was pretty tough yeah I wonder why because they have no point guard and you're bearing the lead here Clay Thompson looks bad because nobody can set him up and the thing we got to talk about is the Cooper flag at point guard experiment that they rolled out with they benched Daniel Russell which bench is a hard word to use because because they never started them.

But we assumed because of the preseason that they would start DeLow and have Cooper Flagg to the three, right? And it was going to be a weird thing to figure out who comes off the bench, whether it be a big or PJ Washington. They said, none of the above. We're going as big as possible.

We see what the Rockets are doing. We raise you one better. We have a 6-9 first overall pick that we want to get ball handing reps. I'm guessing Jason Kidd is like, we're going to do what I did with Janus. We're going to give him the balls at point guard when he's young,

to let him learn from that over time. I don't think I like it. I see the vision. I understand it. Like, that makes sense to some degree to try it out, I'm not mad at him trying it out. I think it's clearly not what's best for him,

at least in the short term. I wouldn't start the game with it. Yeah, use it as like a change-up, but I feel like you're kind of, at least in that game against Wembe, things could change. Felt like you're doing the office and disservice because he's never played point guard before.

Clearly isn't going to create a paint touch. Never played an NBA game before. Yeah. And like we're, we're going to play you up against this other Deming God and we're going to play you out of position. I feel you, it felt like a,

a like a disservice to Cooper flag to do it. I've been saying it's throughout the entire offseason when we found out that oh shit like they're really going to try to run out this insanely big lineup and force guys like Flag AD and I guess PJ Washington to make decisions for them

offensively all like good ideas in terms of like you want the ball in their hands but there's I feel like there's other smarter ways to A not sabotage the season B make Cooper Flagg's life easier when it comes to his overall efficiency and not breaking his brain day one giving him such an absurd task as if he's lebron you can like literally like

run him at point within games within like the second or third quarter you know you don't have to like make that such a big emphasis and the biggest talking point of his day one of his NBA career yeah it's very simple just play de angela russell like he's there for a reason and granted deandra russell's not that good so like i understand he wants to get his best players out there he's a point guard yeah yeah and it could work right again this is one game maybe it works out and And, like, they figure it out all of Houston Rockets and they do this weird thing that ends up netting out as being positive.

I'm not completely writing it off yet, but I'm, like, halfway riding it off. I just, I just, like, the juice doesn't feel worth to squeeze me. Even if there is a good outcome, then pie on my face, you were right, Jason, kid. I just feel like this is the time where you know Kyrie's coming back, so you know eventually you're going to play with the point guard. I kind of just want to get by and, like,

learn what that style is going look like and just use DeAndro Russell as a proxy. That way when we get to that point, we're already ready to keep going and just insert him smoothly. I don't feel like this. The best case scenario for Cooper Flagg to me is not. He's point guard, right? I agree. The best case scenario is he's a do-it-all amazing playmaking wing.

So I kind of just want to start him there from day one. I agree. Especially with AD playing fucking power forward because we're giving him his way. I don't want to do that. Double bigs plus no point guard. I don't like that at all. And it works with Houston because, one, Houston is just, Houston is just more athletic than they are.

And instead of Clay Thompson, who is running around shooting threes based on the looks and the setups that he can get from other point guards what if that was what if that was Kevin Durant right what what if that was somebody who is inches uh like several inches taller than than him and can create their own shot to to build the offense out and even as good as as ad is ad also had a had a terrible game like he he knocked down the first two shots then after that had a stretch where he was like two for 13 and at least on in the first game and we'll talk about it a little bit later like shangoon looked like he leveled up as well right and his offense and his passing is that those are things that ad isn't necessarily so he's a better he's a better

playmaker than at ad yeah and so that's why that's why it works and you can kind of do double bigs and create enough playmaking in the aggregate whereas in in Dallas the cooper flag is is your point guard and your playmaker hey nobody else can dribble nobody else can really pass like that so it does feel like you're starting every game behind the eight ball Yeah, so we'll see what goes on there between how they want to handle their offense. They obviously have insane defensive potential. They have great play finishers figuring out if they want to sacrifice some of that defense for some playmaking to at least give everybody a chance to fit in the right role.

We'll see where he lands on that. I'm not, again, I'm not writing it off, but I'm not hopeful. Yeah. What's the next thing you want to cover? Lakers versus. I knew it. Lakers versus Warriors. I think we've got to start there.

You've got to move over to that one as the, I think, second biggest headline. We saw skinny Luca Dantje's for the first time. Hell yeah. And goddamn, he looks skinny and he looked fast and he looked very good. He dropped the damn near 40 point triple double, looked as exceptional as we could have hoped. That was clearly an MVP caliber player that we're probably going to see for the whole year, right?

Everything we hoped for about him being good enough to propel our high expectations for this team, he checked those boxes, I think. I think we can feel good about that part, right? Hell yeah. Every other box that we have to check to hope for this team to become the 4C that I picked him to be, square lead X in this first game.

None of it went well. It was a very, very bad first impression for the supporting cast around Luca Danshich. Twitter, you go on there. You know, again, this is the first night of the season. People have one game to go off off after thinking about it all summer. They're going to overreact.

You would have thought you watched the worst team in NBA history around Luke of Donchich. Everybody is panicking. Everybody's treating it like that is the team as if LeBron James is not going to play for them again. And again, again, we're overreacting here. Is your overreaction the Lakers are fucked? Yes, it is.

Because one, one, You, and we talked about it before the season. Part of the reason why the ceiling play for the Lakers is so weird is because the person that you're waiting to come save the team is a 41-year-old man. You're waiting on him to come back and instantly be like, hey, I'm here. Everything else works. And so there's that. There's the, there is also the fact that at least in game one, your starting center

looked like he, you know, like his main job. is driving CDL trucks like that's also what would it look like and so it wasn't a great it wasn't a great first outing for 8 in but it also wasn't a great first outing for anybody else other than dude yeah honestly this lakers team is hilarious they just it feels like they have a lot of this one first game like they had a lot of quirky and gimmick players players who just who like kind of fun but have a lot of weird perks through that fun you know whether it be single market smart does like i i genuinely sounds nasty when i say this but i missed watching him play basketball so much i miss the fuckery you know i seen him get into some

shit with step curry and then immediately took my mind back to when he like i think he like tackled somebody through a screen or something like that or he did some disgusting football shit back when he was in the cells but we're hard to say having him there and then you having to rely on the weirdness of rehachimir which at his high he's one of the most or one of the more valuable fours in the league I guess It's just a four And then you got like Gabe Vincent

Who you're trying to roll on to when it comes He's running around chasing Steph Curry When it comes to screens And that's cool I guess as well There's a lot of quirkiness going on And I don't know how these pieces Are there's gonna necessarily fall together Yeah okay so the overreaction is

Gabe Vincent Tiny Rui Hachimura Ship him out of here Jerry Vandalbilt Worst player in the world Austin Reeves Cone DeAndryton bitch made

That's the overreaction you go to Twitter right that is a takeaway from one game. I think my real opinion is this looked clearly like a team who has almost no practice together. And that showed in every way. And the Warriors are a team

I've played together for 10 years and are perfectly built to expose a team like this with these exact weaknesses. And by God, they did. They look terrible for this game. But I'm not like panic mode yet. Like a lot people are. I might get there.

And let's say that like, you know, that it truly is just practice time. that's that's cool no chemistry like nothing nothing whatsoever because like we had the quotes in the offseason of eight and saying like i haven't played with luco or or lebron it's he had played with them but not like at the same time you know because everybody was like was like in and out and so obviously it hasn't been this thing of i've been working out with you every single day and we've been just running pig and rolls and so i know exactly like where you want to be and all this other stuff but like i would have liked to have a little bit more um synergy

or you know like yeah i would have liked it as well but that's not what they have but what i know i know even just to to my hated you know levels yeah the the synergy was just so bad i would have loved to see more synergy but it makes sense to me why it's not there right i'm not like aiden you're terrible trade them now but i am like this needs to they need to figure it out definitely and uh i don't know i think we got a typical aton game i think the the twitter reaction was like this guy's terrible he's not your savior how dare you guys think is your savior and i'm like I'm expecting him to be a perfectly adequate center for the year, worth the $8 million investment, not really expecting him to fix all his flaws completely.

We saw him be lazy off ball, lose track of people, and just be not a high activity defender. That will never change, right? That's eight to some degree. He was pretty good defending on ball when he was in the actions. That'll probably be the same thing, too. He's a very flawed defender in that way that has a strength and weaknesses. I think the problem that people had was he had six rebounds. And a lot of people betted his over on rebounds because he was facing a small team.

And they were like, look at this soft motherfucker. Why aren't you grabbing boards? Yeah. And we definitely saw that. you know what that is to me that's a dream on green problem that is exactly what dream on green is done for his entire career abusing soft bigs not being the size match you think he was he put them in hell a agent was catching the ball down low and people were like his hands are terrible have you seen the warriors play defense pushing me butler their hands are amazing at abusing big down low making a hard for them to gather and finish this was the warrior's defense master class which i think we forgot about because it happened for 20 games then the off season came they were amazing defensively post jimmy and that's what i saw last night that's just another gambling problem that the NBA has everybody hates aiding because he didn't cover but yeah

like I'm also like the synergy stuff yeah they have he has negative chemistry with Luca Naten they talked about it he ateen was like

I'm probably a difficult big to get used to because I'm a I like to fall in the pocket I try to feel it out and you know get to the midrange jumper but then also finish

like that's true that's one of his strengths he's a very good mid range jumper he's gonna do this delayed weak screen flash to the mid range shot you want to take advantage

of that somewhat they need to get in the film room figure out when he should do that when he should roll hard, get the hang of it because, like, there was times where he was open, but nobody saw him. And there's also times where he should have rolled harder. It was on both of them, I think. They just got to get synergy there

and get on the same page in the film room. Yeah, man. To hear that necessarily isn't the most what's the best with it. It's not encouraging. I'm just going to say that. Yeah, it wasn't an encouraging game at all. Yeah, to see the, like, of course you understand that chemistry takes time to build as a season

go on, but it seems like they're so far off, wildly far off. to where they are day one, you know? Like you would hope or pray that they got some type of reps in or runs in, which they obviously, but going back to what Donovan said, it didn't seem to appear through all the reports that we've seen that hasn't been as cohesive or consistent as it should be. And so now I'm like, okay, well, if you're not going to be like that off offensively,

which is fine, offenses take time to build on to, but I feel like defense is more so of a quicker thing to go ahead and learn. And if that's going to be like the saving grace for this team, play Luca, Austin Reeves, save me basketball on one end. What are you going to do defensively? Yeah. That's the biggest question. 100%.

My bigger question that I'm not panicking about Aiden at all, even though people want me to. I'm not going to panic about Aiden. I think that's going to take time. I think he looked like Aiden for better or for worse, right? We just didn't really take advantage of the better. I'm concerned more about this roster needs to LeBron badly. And you said that makes sense. You're relying on this guy, but he's a 40-year-old, right?

you don't that's like a bad gamble that sucks i get whatever he feels that way he is lebron james just for for championship measures oh i don't care about that here's yeah yeah yeah they're not but obviously like every lakers fan every every single game is championships you know championship robust and you see luka especially coming off the game that the luka had it's finally oh we're going to get MVP luka we're going to get in shape luka and he's he's ready to start the season like this is the opportunity for us to win and so when lebron comes back Like, a lot of people are going to be like, hey, don't let them get, you know, into the playoffs. Don't let us get hot.

And so that's going to be the thing. If that's your expectation, that's where I think it's dumb. But obviously, just to be like a good team, yeah, like, they need LeBron. He's LeBron. Exactly. They need LeBron. He'll be there and he'll fix a lot of these issues. So the people that are like, this is the worst team Lucas ever had, they do employ LeBron James.

So, like, they'll be fine to some regard. But I agree. I don't really see them, like, having a chance to beat the top teams in the West. That's why I'm not in panic mode because my expectations aren't quite as high. I think they can squarely be the four seat at best and all those teams that we rank between like three and eight they can fly any direction

so if you want to tell me that we feel discouraged now and we think the Lakers are going to be closer to eight especially if LeBron's going to miss more time than we think I buy that. That's fine. That's within realm of expectation. I don't think it's crazy to doubt them to that regard but I don't think like the floor's going to fall out from them and they're fucked. LeBron's going to do a lot to fix their size issues he would have been defending Jimmy Butler for a lot of those plays

where he was gripping over Gay Vincent that fixes it there. The offense is obviously going to be a lot better with Lebron there like I'm not panic mode, but I am understanding of people that want to alter expectations. Yeah, I expect to LeBron to be the ultimate connector and be like the seal to all these leaks when it comes to the miscommunications, the opportunities where you feel Austin Reeves is kind of like drifting away from the offense too often. And maybe Luca isn't as like locked in or involved sometimes on the, sometimes on the offensive end way he doesn't have the ball on his hands.

LeBron is like the ultimate like fix the flat type dude for when it comes to that type, those type issues. Yeah. But I am just so hoping and worrisome of the quirky role players like Marcus Smart and Gabe Vinson. I hope they live with some like level of expectation. Yeah. They need because the on-ball defense being able to stop paint touches is going to be a thing. Yeah. Like Aiden is a completely solid on-ball defender at the drop big when the actions are coming to him. He's big, knows how to use the size. He's not bad there at all. But if you're asking him to make a lot of rotations and really close a lot of valves from leaky defenders that are allowing the guys to create pain touches. He's not active enough at all to solve that. So you need Marcus

smart to be good. You need LeBron to come back and be able to be a solid team defender helping the rotations there. Luca actually defended pretty well for the most part helping rotate there, but we need guys in front of him, which is Gabe Vincent and Marcus Smart to be able to do that better. And I guess the one thing I will panic about, why is the old connect not in the rotation? Why is my 24 year old second year player not good enough to earn a spot in rotation with LeBron James not playing. And I say that because this roster, you know what I see is the biggest flaw and the biggest indictment of Polinka?

What is it? Who was the last player they drafted that is good, that has been a part of this rotation? Last player that they drafted. No. They don't even count. He wasn't even drafted. Yeah, but that's the last person that they got via draft and process after. They haven't got a good player.

A part of this. I guess before this, like Max Christie probably would have been the name. Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was those two, two second round picks. Yeah. And then some of those years, they didn't have first round picks. Jalen Hitchafino, swing and a miss.

Dalton Connect, if he was a four-year college player as a rookie, I guess when Grace, because a rookie is a rookie, if you're a four-year college player and you can't play in your second year, you suck. So it's only one game. Maybe they just match up decisions, maybe he will start playing.

But that needs to be a guy that can be a contributor for you. That needs to at least be your eighth man who can play 18 minutes of game some nights. If that's not going to be a player that can play, you just have no more assets. Like you've lost so many opportunities that is tough. Well, why do you think he tried to go get Mark Williams? He saw this last year.

Yeah, well, that was more about Alex Lynn, I think, than needing somebody else. Oh, too, I forgot about that. Actually, Alex Lin came after. That was more about not having even Alex Lynn. So that was like absence of big. But yeah, he needs to be able to be playable or things are getting spooky. True. On the warrior side, the overreaction?

We should save them because tonight we're going to react to the second game. They do play tonight. So we're going to save the Warriors because tonight we're going to react to the game versus the Nuggets. And we'll talk about both teams then. Okay. Next game, Thunder versus Rockets. Double overtime thriller to start the same. season honestly between the NBC return and how generational their nostalgia whole packaging

of the game was that was amazing that to the quality of play to how much the players cared to the fact that it was double over time the fact that it ended crazily generational opening that game that was fantastic they they restored the feeling yeah in one night and immediately after that NBA was like wow look look what presentation does immediately they said yeah we're going to put the final trophy back on the court we won long term complain protest, mobilize, in the streets, and we can get stuff done. I feel like the Thunder were pretty simple.

They didn't have J-Dub, didn't have Isaiah Joe. The zone defense of the Thunder gave them some troubles because their shooting was horrific that game. But then Shea locked in. It looked like a normal Thunder game to that regard, right? Chet looked better like we expected. Yeah, I think that's the best thing. But yeah, better is great is the best way to put it.

He was throttling their defense. He was, I think he started out the game like scoring out of the first like 20 points. He had like 14 of them or something. that he didn't miss a shot until like his seventh or eight attempts he was so aggressive he was so just like he was so decisive when he comes to picking his spots and it was like a conscious decision you could tell team why that they wanted to get chet involved they knew that if they wanted to have an opportunity to survive for however long without jadab it's going to be it's of course

she's going to do shay things no matter what he's the MVP best guard in the league but you need chet and the consistency that he can provide offensively to relieve that burden off everyone else and he was perfect everything that i've been saying when it comes to holding back the great expectations consistent all-star expectations one of the like i don't know four i don't know how to parse this in my mind but three best bigs in the league expectations he did that last night or two nights ago yeah get fucked it was amazing right he looked great yeah like we talked about how physically clearly he didn't have his legs in him in the playoff run he couldn't jump very high couldn't run very fast just wasn't exactly what he was before he looks back his burst was good he was

getting to those mid-range jumpers because you could actually turn a corner on a guy and use his length as an angle to do a spin-around jumper. He was getting to those in mid-range. He has these two makes right here around the free throw line from turn-around jumpers. He hit a few threes, which is obviously a swing factor. He went to, it looks like two for four from there, also two long mid-range shots and was finishing on the rim, got some float there. Overall looked really good. Aside of that, Thunder were the Thunder. Focus on the Rockets. What did you see, Kevin Durant's first game? Oh, I mean, KD's, KD, it wouldn't even And from a KD perspective, shocked.

How do you, you are lucky. You are lucky because he should have lost the game for them by pulling a Chris Weber and calling the time out. It was absolutely insane that none of the refs at the end of overtime, nobody's looking at the ball. Nobody's looking at KD. That was crazy. The biggest thing that I took from this was, oh, like, Shangoon, if you're like this, hey, we're cooking.

We're cooking. you know why he shot the three and made it that was a hundred percent the thing obviously we've talked a lot about sang good over the years and about what they need from him without fred van bleat like obviously they're going to kind of playpoint sangun a little bit with the absence of playmakers and last year the thing was he improved he proved defensively right he was no longer a liability there and he was a good positional defender could exist as a part of a great defense and because of that we saw his rim efficiency go down a little bit where he was a year prior still a solid score still a great playmaking hub being able to create a great pain touches and kick out to shooters like you always will. But the scoring left a little bit to be desired in terms of projecting them to take the next leap and for him to be good enough in the half court to like be the guy right. And I think that's always going to be a thing to some regard. What I said all summer was I need to see him be a stretch five for me to buy this is going to work. For me to buy that he's going to be the type of offensive lead player that can be good enough.

I need to see him shoot well on both mid-range numbers and long mid-range and from three because I'm not really convinced the rim scoring is going to be get elite elite. He did that shit. If this is real and he can shoot like this, that's the next jump for him. Yeah, and it feels like this real. He shot, I think he made like five threes on like 10 or 11 attempts or something crazy like that. And he also shot 90% from the free throw line two on 10 attempts. Like it seems like, again, one game, one overreaction.

But he is one of the best stretch bigs that the entire day has to offer. And God damn it, that means that he is one of the best bigs in the league officially after the game two nights ago. Yes. If the three point shot is real, then he is truly one of the elite bigs in the league. And before, like, he was kind of floating between, he made his first All-Star game. There was, he was a flawed player, but he was, like, clearly showing he can handle it.

So, bonus territory, for sure. He could handle responsibility. He can elevate in certain moments. He had that dog in him in the playoffs. So, like, he was floated in there but had some questions. The three-point shot by answer those questions, if it's real.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. And it brings everything else here for this offense because, you know, who did not make threes? You know who did not come close in making threes? Our boy. Matt Thompson, the guy who had all the talk

about the off-season shooting jump that I was careful not to mention because I don't buy that. at all was not real whatsoever that man was shooting bricks but you know what you have to do it at least at least you're taking attempts and that's that's that's it you know what the other one of our boys struggled who read oh yeah that was that was genuinely a car crash well see it was it was a car crash right he was getting attacked picked on they were doing whoever offense on reed shepherd because he's small and they had lewdort driving on him case and wallace driving on him shay driving on him

they said they have these four gigantic guys and the one small guy that's a tactic small guy that's probably gonna work and it did every time he did some good things he shot the ball solid you could tell he got some good lift

on his jumpers you could tell it's gonna be a weapon for them he had some good hands made some steals but he was just such a clear mismatched defensively that's gonna be hard for them to figure out how to play around

yeah the defense was bad there were a couple decisions especially with him being being the point guard that was like oh man looking off Katie yeah it was pretty bad And, but, and some of the threes that he took were pretty outlandish.

They were very far. Yeah. But I'm okay with that. I am, I am okay. You know that there's a need. And it's the same thing for him and for a men. I don't, what I don't want for Amend Thompson or really anybody who can't really shoot, you do not turn into Ben Simmons, right?

Don't turn into a player where you're so nervous that you're going to miss these shots that you are not taking these in-game threes that you clearly need for either confidence. or actual reps to prove that whatever you've been working on is real. So I'm happy that I will say something to two shots. Although you don't want them to turn into Ben Simmons, I also don't want them to turn into someone like Dion Waders where you're just shooting entirely too damn much. Seven threes and making none of them,

that's way too much dip on your tip. I think you can safely assume you would not get Dion Waders from Reed Shepard. Wherever it goes, it won't be Deon Waders, I promise. No, because those team needs them to take those threes. I guarantee you Emay Doka was like take as many as you can We need that motherfucker

Nobody else Are you gonna hit him But a man Oh for seven Seven three That should be a career high For you It'd be like that

It is like that sometimes And it's okay I feel like that I feel like that I feel Yeah I feel like that For a man

And then for Reed It's the same thing Don't You get one crazy three again You took about like two or three Take one We'll see how you're feeling On that night

And then we'll just get in rhythm three Look what we got here This is a perfect explanation of both these teams right now. Turnover percentage. The Houston Rock has turned over the ball 22.3% of their possessions.

What? Yikes. What? That's what the fuck? That's crazy. Man, that's bad. Zero percentile. And the OKC, 10%,

which is their M.O. They don't turn the ball over a lot with Shea being a very low turnover type of guy. That makes sense. 45% of the team's misses were rebounded by the Houston Rockets. Offensively, I mean to say, offense rebounds.

Obviously their M.O. Starting these double bigs, really started these fucking five. bigs for their starting lineup that went as you'd expect and the free throw rate came along with it they got a lot of fouls because they were on the boards you have to foul them to a certain degree i think the identity worked for the most part we saw what we expect to see from the rockets the size is an advantage lack of shooting lack of playmaking is a disadvantage how will they figure that over time probably through brute force and through sangoon taking a lot of threes and making them

worked for the most part this team they're just facing the defending champs i like it for game one i am i am i will say i am worried about tar eason he was horridous when it comes to that game when it comes to just overall decision making and obviously he didn't make it many shots in general as is he feels like a trade candidate sad to say he is because that the pay him this summer and it seems inexpensive but again same thing as last year anybody who makes bad decisions against the okay c thunder must be given grace because they will surely look better the next game it's impossible to make good decisions and you got these motherfuckers breed out your neck yeah for sure and this is like the worst type of episode to hear if you're a reed shepherd fan because you are

watching him go against the best defense in the entire NBA over the last, I don't know, fucking 15, 20 years. So I won't say Reecher will be fine because he still has to prove to us that it would be fine. We haven't seen enough good for us to assume that. But I am like not writing it off yet because of what you said. OKC is a nightmare matchup for a small guard.

No, fuck there you're writing it off. It's overreaction. It's overreaction. It's a bum. Worst picking the world. She didn't pick Stefan Castle, which Stefan Castle wouldn't have fixed any of the shooting issues. Wouldn't have fixed their passing reviews,

but you'd be better than read. Yeah, we'll see Lots of you seen Still from Reed That would be a thing Worth monitoring What's the next thing I want to talk about

Let's do a quick one Let's go The Knicks game Okay, Knicks versus Cavs A game that would have been really cool But kind of lost this Luster

Because everybody was injured No Darius Garland No DeAndre Hunter No Max Trues So three of their Top perimeter players Outside of D Mitch Gone for the Knicks

No Josh Hart No Mitchell Robinson Two core starters What would you take away Donvin as a Knicks fan watching these two broken teams Mike Brown's going to win coach of the year.

Oh, okay. And two, Evan Mobley and the leap is here. The leap, it's on the way for Mobley. On the Mike Brown front, this man, we played 11 guys. It's getting scary. It's getting dangerous. And I think, like, that is, that in itself is insane growth and very positive for this, for this team. Dude, the bar is so low.

Three kills me. What are we talking about? They played players. It's ridiculous. We haven't had that. We haven't had that. Nick fan's like, yeah, he's in the game. It hasn't been like that.

Yeah, you're right. But, but so like there's like, there's the very, very low hanging fruit of just playing the, the players on your, on your roster. The other stuff is, um, OG offensively, like, looked, looked good. He had, he took 17 shots to a moments where, um, Mikhail Bridges was, like, running point. And he had the ball in his hands. And he looked more comfortable and empowered than he did. it all of last season. And so just moving forward,

I feel really good about the state of this offense. And I mean, Jayland didn't even have a great game and they were still able to go on runs and have successful offense, even with them having a bad shooting night. That was extremely encouraging from a night one perspective,

thinking about where the next, you know, want to go and can go. So that's why I'm very high on the things that Mike Brown has already installed. On the other side, everyone came out was firing. and he was super aggressive and obviously like deris garland wasn't there so he had to pick up the slack offensively but the three point shot i mean there were times where he would get the rebound

come down and transition i'm not waiting for anybody i'm going to take this three i'm going to be aggressive that is insane growth and that's that's been the the big part of the growth that we wanted to see from obli in order for him to take the leap and it looked very very much like he knows what he had to do he worked on it and it's here yeah i think yeah not much to really take away from the calves just because they were so injured. Yeah. They need another wing. That's my overreaction is once again. Surprise. Once again hit the trade market. I think getting lamello to replace Tid Jerome, cool.

You know, I mean, not the most Lamello. Getting Lanzo to replace Taderoom. Cool. There's some strengths and weaknesses there. You're moving to identity you bench around, but it's another body, right? That's a good role player. You did that Tad Jerome left for nothing and you traded Isaac O'Coro to get Lonzo ball. So you're still down a body and you're down a wing and Isaac O'Coro, who had lost his spot in the rotation at times, flawed player and so forth, but was one other better wing defenders. Now without DeAndre Hunter

and without Max Drews, who I guess is your second wing. Oh, God, he's 6-5. They had nobody. They were playing Stomons, so many three-guard lineups. Donovan Mitchell's a small guy. They had out there, out there with Craig Porter, Tyrese Broctor. Does that name, Tyrese? Yeah, don't disrespect Tyrese Broctor. He's a Hooper, man.

Oh, cool, shout to Tyres Proctor. He was out there playing a lot in the night. It was a rookie year. Sam Meryl. A lot of minutes for small guys, and it was just like, damn, do they have any wings left? Oh, wait, no. Yeah, yeah, they're expecting, this is where you kind of look at the king, or not the Kings, the Cavs draft department over the last, like, very, like, these last like two years. And this is where you kind of see the lapses. This is where the Isaac O'Coro pick kind of bites you in the ass a little bit. This is where, okay, John Tyson, like, what you doing? What's up, man? I was going to say that. You like, a year ago. We kind of need you to be like, you know, an actual impact defender, bare minimum. Yep, he's a swing player.

He'll be the most important playing in the rotation in terms of which are we going to get Dominic Cavs again and Dominic Cavs that can win in the playoffs. I think Jalen Tyson.

Is it Jalen or Jalon? I think he's Jalen. I don't know. Whatever. Jalon Tyson. I've never heard that before but we're calling you Jolon today. Shalom.

We need to see Jalon do well and be able to really fill that gap in the rotation. Yeah. No more thoughts for them though. Don, Moe, move over to your team. Let's get it over. Toronto Raptors

versus Atlanta Hawks. The Atlanta Hawks being the everybody's sneaky team out east. Don't sleep on them. They can make the finals. They got everything they need to run Tray Young. Jalen Johnson Rising Star, KP, no longer sick. Everything is going well for them. And the Raptors are the team where everybody was like,

yuck. Wake me up when they get some good players. They're boring. I don't care about them. Surely the hospital beat the bricks off of them, right? Nope. You know, not at all. This is why there's an 82 game season. This is why we don't look at this game

and we just move on to the next. I'm not paying attention to the 86 points allowed in the paint by the Atlanta Hawks. I'm not paying attention at all. I'm not going to look at Tray Young Defense. I'm not going to look at Dash and Daniels, basically only playing meaningful minutes at the fourth quarter because he was in file trouble from the fucking start of the game. It felt like I'm not going to pay attention to none of that. What I will do, though, is talk about someone like Jaylon Johnson, talk about how he's going to go ahead and birth his new all-star season. barring he remains healthy

he was electric he was fantastic yeah prezingus he was amazing some of the shit that he was doing out there just taking normal deep range prosingus threes to me as a hawks fancing and wear that jersey and me being like what the fuck is this guy doing oh my god I forget we got pershingus on my team how did I forget it's amazing

but it's just the defense man like we were like horrendous I love what I see from Zachary Richie Say and his like slowly growing on ball chops as well I love that pick I love Jalen Johnson the defense same story. There's really nothing to talk about. It's such a simple story, bro. Like, they throttled us. It's, it's honestly more fun to talk about the. Oh, there's plenty of

to talk about. You know who I hated watching last night more than anybody of any star player, Trey Young? Why? Did not have a fun game to watch. It's just, it's so tough. Like, how does Dan, how does Jalen Johnson have more assisted him in a game? Well, we are trying to. It takes two people for it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And we're trying to prioritize the spacing. Johnson when it comes to empowering him as like a real hub. And it's taking some time to like bounce that out. Yeah, exactly. And it looked good when Jalen Johnson was running the bench units to your point. He looked really good. I think the, the pace of decision making could have improved at times. There's some plotting moments. But even when that

happened, it ended up in a good play. Exactly. Like he's always making some last minute decision was an accurate pass. I saw that one highlight on Twitter. You probably saw him talking about where he like was in a post up, came back, went into another postup, came back around, and then threw no look past the KP, cutting from the corner. Yeah. So I'm like, that was a hideous possession. Look like those plays those plays I hate from Palibankero, which is a lot of plotting around bad mid-range jumper. But then he throws a no like dime. Yeah.

So process needs to get better with Jaylon Johnson. That was the thing last year too. You know, the playmaking speed early in the season, there was a point where we were like, fuck man, this leap isn't here. Then he figured it out.

So I want to see that continue to improve. I hope the off ball stuff with Tray Young isn't like too much to fuck up his rhythm because I did not feel like he looked comfortable at any point in this game. I don't even care about the off ball stuff and messing up a rhythm.

He hasn't been in a rhythm for a year and a half. Yeah, exactly. So we have to, we have to regain that before we can start talking about messing up any type of rhythm who's one for seven for three last night we've we've talked continuously about him getting downhill scoring with his floater brother that floater was

breaking yesterday too or two two nights ago as as well and so for somebody with try young's size and and just his shot diet and the shots that he likes he likes to take threes he likes to take floaters if the shots that he likes aren't going in that is a big big problem so yeah it it was a it was kind of disturbing from a game one perspective. Yeah, I mean, it's disturbing. Typically, Trey Young has like super slow starts to every single season that he's played in, which is, you know,

but at the end of the day, this is like the big reason why Anse didn't want to RGM, Anse didn't want to go ahead and give him the contract extension that you typically see when it comes to perennial all-star level players, you know? Yeah. Yeah, understandable to some degree. It's not surprising by any means to see

a lackless for Trey Young game. Yeah. Just noticing. I'm also. noticing we saw a great performance from the Raptors offense in which obviously they killed you in transition. It's because they decided to get out and run to play with good pace. They also just did a very good job of doing the same things we saw from Darko last year, all of the off ball screens. They're not going to be a high pick and roll offense. They're going to get everybody at the ball running lots of motion, very modern offense in that way.

Did a good job weaponizing that with Brandon Ingram. I was happy with the performance as somebody who's been saying so the trade that I like the idea of Scotty Barnes and Ingram. That worked really well together and they did a really good job creating open threes off of that. I like the way they kept the ball moving and maybe it was mostly about the hawks having terrible point of attack defense, but it felt like they were constantly getting the hawks in rotation and constantly creating good shots because of it. Yep, it's so easy to do so when you don't have like arguably one of the best guard defenders in the entire NBA and Dyson Daniels there. They just were faced with like no resistance anytime someone wanted to get to the pain. They're basically

like, oh my bad brother, you go ahead. Go ahead. I don't even know why I'm here. Let me go ahead and sit on a bench. It was like that type of defense being played and that's why they were able to hit on so many hit-ahead passes. But even if you're talking about like the half court offense, it was genuinely like so good. I was so happy with what I saw for Emmanuel quickly. And the bigger point of the conversation is Brandon Ingram. Like he feels like a guaranteed all-star this year in the Eastern Conference. For sure, if the Raptors are like, I don't know, a top seven seat or so. Slow down. Slow down. Guaranteed two? He looks like it. Slow down. I don't know about two.

Over Scotty? Potentially, yeah, potentially. I'm not, Scotty Barnes had a good game too. If Scottie Barnes isn't good up to be an all-star they're not going to be a 17. He has to be good as well. He has to be good as well.

They need both them to be really good. And through one game, but I think they both played well. Scotty Barnes are really good defensively. There were some times where he was, he was looking large next to Trey Young. He was looking huge, long. He couldn't even suffocating Trey Young.

And that size is a point of attack defender is, like, important. Like, the fact that he can have those wings sprawled out completely and blanket on ball coverage, that's a very good strength of them. I like that a lot more. And it looked better now

now that he doesn't have quite as much offensive responsibility. Yeah, most definitely I agree. And Yakopoto 8, your guy? I told you. I told you, I won those battles, man. It's only me and you having those battles when it comes talking about.

What was the battle? What did you rank him again? I don't know. Like seven or eight? Yeah, so the battle is. I didn't just care about where I ranked him. That's more so like, no, he's better than he. That's all it is. Oh, yeah, I don't.

That's fine. I will not be shocked at all if he'd be better than it. It was the seven thing is the one wrong. Yeah, I don't get them top 10. Yeah, that's crazy. That's all I know. I don't give a fuck about that. She played like last night, bro.

I don't not dislike Yacoboto. Seven was just nuts. Okay. Solid showing from the Raptors. TBD. About the Atlanta Hawks. Are they going to prove to be worth it? It's just hard to talk about the Hawks when you allow 86 points in the fucking pain.

That's ridiculous, right. Yeah. Vijay Edgecom had 16 points in the first half. Jesus Christ. Over 30 in his rookie debut. Yeah, that's... 76 versus Celtics. And that's why this is going to be the rookie of the year.

Oh, that's your overreaction? That's my, that is my overreaction. Yeah. Vijay H. And he's going to be rookie of the year also because of opportunity. Like, that was one, Dillon Harper is in this like point guard trio, right? With him and Castle and Fox, that's cool.

Cooper Flagg, we'll see what happens. He might be playing out of position. It might take a while just for him to get comfortable. Ace Bailey on the, on the jazz. There's also the jazz sneaky. And not even sneaky, but I didn't realize until I watched them. You know, that team is huge. Like, their front court is really, really big.

Yeah. But watching Joel Embed in the way that Embed moved last night, I was like, oh, VJ's going to have all the opportunity to be in the world, right? Like, we're going to, he's going to have 30 to 40 games where they're going to need him to score 34 points. And the shot looked really good. His burst to the basket. His driving was awesome.

He finished so, so emphatically. Awful Am, all balls of cutter. Like, both versions of driving. It was amazing. Yeah. And so Vijay Hatscombe looked awesome. Tyrese Maxi. It looked like a guy who is ready to be the number one option because he's had a year

and a half, two years of being the number one option with like this like subpart team. And now he's like fully ready to really, really step into that. I'm very happy obviously because they can buy for 74 points. But for Vijay specifically, he looked amazing. He looked great. Yeah. And you know what helps him look great, not take away from him? That fucking Boston Celtics big man.

group was as bad as we could hope for. The Boston Celtics Primitive Defender Group was as bad as we could have hoped for. Guards that are athletic and you can drive. Bet the rovers against the Boston Celtics. They're going to go crazy. And yeah, VJ. Edgecombe highlight insane first performance as a rookie.

Can't wait to watch more of them. Celtics Masterclass. That's staying competitive and finding a way to lose at the end. This is what we want to see all season. Get Peyton Pritch of the reps, which didn't go well tonight, but maybe we'll go better in the future. Get Jim and Brown the reps. Everybody see what you got from.

to me is Kada. Do all your stuff. Stay competitive. You know what you got in Canada. Maybe we'll see more. Who knows? One game we'll see. Find out what you got from everybody and then find a way to lose in the end so you can get AJ DeBonsa because he wants to be there. Brother, like Jalen Brown, this is not a real award. We didn't even have this in our fake awards from our predictions episode. But he is easily going to be the happiest player of the year. No expectations. You're going to pay a big bag. You take all the shots you want. You play like dogs. He played great. You play good, play bad. Don't matter. No one's going to talk about you.

Yeah. Great life. You know who's the saddest player of the year? Me, because Joel and B looked like a corpse in this game. He could not move whatsoever.

It was kind of baffling to me that he was on the court. It looked like a guy who clearly shouldn't be playing right now. And hopefully that's not just who he is now, which I guess is always possible.

But he did not look close to 100% or maybe he is and that's scary. It was, it was very scary because this might just be the state that he's in. And that's more

than I would lean to rather than like he's actually hurt. in terms of, like, I think he's just in a eternal state of being hurt. Yeah. Damn. As opposed to like, oh, I have this one injury that's killing me right now. And there's been, there was, there's always been times where he can kind of like get stuck

and you might be able to like hustle by him for offensive rebounds. Once a shot goes up, I'm not boxing out on anybody. I'm going to stand here. I'm going to look up and I'm away for the possession to start on the other side. He was able to get sometimes like into his jumper and it looked a little fluid. but for the most part he was not moving well the lift wasn't necessarily there

the motor wasn't there defensively no lateral movement no lateral quickness at all it was food when you drove at him I'm hitting him with lateral movement not to there he wasn't he was hitting him with stationary movement it was bad the jumper was flat because he had no legs under him

it was honestly just sad it just felt like damn it's over and I yeah so for the sixers yeah it's your season's done basically. After a win. Yeah.

That's funny. Your seats is done. If I'm a 60, I'm like, damn. You can't do nothing literally. 30 from Tyreys Maxi. But like the dream of we're going to get our last dance

you know, with them beat. That's old. They have their pick, right? I'm not sure. Is it protected? Like they can keep it if they're really bad? I'm not 100% sure. I think it might be in the class of O'CC.

It's not going to be as easy for them to like, Do a lot, do like a tank out of nowhere like they did last year. Yeah, it was top eight protected last year. But I think O'KC has may have like their customer. Oh, I think it might be top five protected now. I think it got smaller, if I remember correctly. But you find out. If that is the case, yeah, without Joel and Bede and with Paul Jordan already not playing,

we'll see what that looks like when he comes back. Even with VJ and Tyrese being so great, I find it hard to believe we're going to. Yeah, I got it. So Philly, the, the pick is, it goes to OKC. It's top four protected in 26 and 27. And then if it's not conveyed, then, Philly will send a 2027 second round pick. So top four protector you said? Yeah.

Damn, that's tough to get top four. That's tough. You gotta get some luck on your side. You have to be asked like pretty much by game 20. And I don't do it. Maybe they won't be. That's kind of hard. But we'll see. Top four stuff. I was going to say, you know, Joe Lilley's not going to

be there. You have this good young core that maybe you'll get one more good pick in there and like this be the last reload year and you can go forward with these two maybe young stars, wherever you draft next. But I doubt you're going to get a top four pick so yeah listen let's hope vj edgecom is great when we can get to the playoff so let's hope we can have some fun that's tough but shout out vajcom he is good so there's that i will be monitoring monitoring how they go ahead and decide to facilitate the vj jared mcane and tyrese duo because

that's very interesting seeing them roll out like a group of small guards vj is small yeah him and tirees how you build a good defense around that that's going to be interesting to figure out over the years vj has to play man yeah normally you would just say like all right well we got in beat in the back you know we'll be fine but that's just not that's not necessarily going to happen yeah yeah you mentioned the utah jazz of being like surprisingly huge they're also surprisingly dope as fuck if we're going off one game uh this is my favorite thing i saw this in this opening night because all summer i was like they're not going to be good i'm not buying stock in jazz like i'm not going to pick them to be a play in team certainly won't pick them to be a playoff team even but i am buying stock in

their offense i think that was one of my stocks in our buy sales stream i was like dude will hardy is extremely good. Last year, I said they'd be the 10th or something like that or maybe 11, whatever it was. I said they wouldn't be 15th

because I fully believe in Will Hardy and coming off that year where Lorry Marketing made his all-star appearance, I was like, listen, man, you have Lauer

and you have Will Hardy who is a genius play designer of off ball screens. They're going to be a fun offense. Shit went south row fast last year they tanked. There was nowhere close

to the case. This year, I think is going to be the case. Lowry looked amazing again. Walker Kessler is shooting threes. Yeah. Also looking better in all regards.

Kyle Filipowski's a shooter. They started Svima High Luke, that's a shooter. Their spacing was nuts. Their off-ball play design was once again nuts. They ran the clippers out the motherfucking gym with elite offense. And the clippers looked like a team that once again didn't want to be there because it was opening night and they had to go to goddamn Utah and they were too old and too good for this shit.

They were not trying defensively. They had bad, bad defensive ideas on how to solve it. They were dying on screens, making Zubosh have to help up on these offball curls. And just allowing nonstop dunks, they destroyed. them. The, yeah, the offense for Utah looked awesome. The big to big passing is there, right? Like, that's something that we always see with Utah. I just, man, it's, it's a wonder what good jerseys can do. That's who. They look so cool. Honestly, like, I watched that game and I was like, I'm going to have to watch more Utah this year on the simple fact that they're like visually,

visually, it's acceptable now. They got swag. Yeah, you have a little bit of swag. And the basketball not reprehensible for especially for the first part of the year so like Utah you're back on the list you're back in serious rotation 139.5 offensive rating 66.7% effective focal percentage the highest in both categories of the year so far got lots of offensive rebounds dominated in all regards man like they look good they have the skill sets to run will hardy system now they are not going to be the worst team in the league at least offensively we'll see where they net out defensively over the course of season, but also other takeaway, I understand why Danny Angel's greedy ass was asking for three first-on picks for Walker Kessler because he saw those practice

sessions and he saw that three-point shot developing. If that's going to be the case, they are stupid for not paying him this past summer because that is going to be one expensive man this summer and restricted free agency. Yeah. It's, it's, it happened with Kessler and with Sengu where, and you see like Biggs always like, you know, try to improve the game and take threes. And so the first time he took it out, I was like, okay, Walker, you know, you're really, you cute right right you've been working they took the second and i was like hold on now yeah like hold on and it went in i was like oh my god yeah this is crazy and they look good too there's one thing that will hard he is like he is like one of the best bucket getting coaches that the league has to offer

and also another interesting too for me thing for me is i watch clips of um why is his name blank from the small um will clinton is it some clinton jr walter clinton jr walter clinton jr yes i don't know my my mind went blank But seeing how well he played, very encouraging. And I'm so interested seeing how the guard competition, the guard room ends up like panning out when it comes to him, Collier, who didn't play because of injury, and Keonté George, who looked, thumbs up. Another shooter.

They had five out spacing. It was great. And, you know, they look good for all the reasons that we've known Will Hardy can look good for years and they're healthy and Liger Mark can look like a star again, right? They're trying right now. They're not trying to lose. They're playing their best players and it looks good.

Clippers, man. this is the biggest ass-woping that I feel like I can take nothing away from because they were just clearly so not ready to play tonight kind of like we're talking about the lakers had the lakers like i think the lakers biggest issue was coaching not figuring out enough time to get the chemistry with aton and luka not having the best plans and plays yada yada this was also clearly they not were up they weren't up ready to play they were not trying defensively with nearly enough effort they had like i said bad plans to defend these offball screens they were

letting their centers die out there with very little help only thing i'll take away is I think maybe their screen navigation would be an issue, which is not a surprise at all when you're starting Bradley Beal, James Hardin and Quiet Leonard together. Yeah, it's hard to come away with takeaways day one of the season when your team gets startled to this capacity

just like the Lion Hawks. They're in that same conversation too. They're old. God damn it. Yeah, and that's why they're going to miss the playing. Oh, God. Who? The clips.

Yeah, so you say that, but also I was watching the game. I was watching the game and I saw a bench unit come in with Chris Paul, John Collins, and Brooke Lopez, and I was like, damn, that's going to be hard to deal with when they're trying really hard and when they're clicking. They're deep. Yeah. They're crazy deep, which we knew.

But, like, seeing a bench unit to play with John Collins and Brooke Lopez, like, just a name recognition, which we'll see if it's actually an effective bench unit. Brooke Lopez was pretty shaky last year. It's a large guy. John Collins is good. It's going to be good when they figure it up. Yeah, it'll be. It's just a weird creaky start of the year.

I guarantee you, James Hardin's ass did not want to be in Utah. He was probably on a flight right after the game to go back to L.A. of course exactly yeah okay what games you should talk about next let's talk about the team of the Eastern Conference

that we've all been like salivating to see if they're gonna finally figure things out and that is that team is no other than the Orlando Magic what does you guys get from that game I watched every second in this game yep this is the opening window I was locked in I did not I have three screens

on my setup at once one that's I'm halfway paying attention to what I'm fully paying attention to and one that I'm looking at when everything else is paused that was on the main screen the entire time I wanted to make sure I understood this team before I come up here today

this team is exactly the same but they had Desmond Bain Franz Wagner looked awesome as a driver when the ball ran through his hands lovely it was great and the spacing's better so that type of slashing offense

creating buckets for others fantastic the bench units with him running things worked awesome Desmond Bain on ball was really good really encouraging having him and sucks together I like that a lot Palo Bencaro

Dominant when he was getting downfield I'm down court When he was driving There was one spinning layup you hit I was like that is the largest man I've ever seen He was getting to the free throw line Doing the Palo Bencaro strengths Doing the Palo Ban caro weaknesses

There were so many plays in a half court I was still like move faster please It felt like I was watching the same player For all of them As somebody who has tried to defend Palo With everything in his heart I completely agree And it was very frustrating

Because one my biggest thing is like Desmond Bain he's going to save the magic Like they they are they are still going to to be good And I think we are going to break the top 20 In offensive rating this year Hell yeah And Desmond Bain he brought a he brought shooting

And he brought enough like just like juice to this offense In terms of how fast he how fast he was moving The passes he was making his ability to to connect players together I was very happy with what I saw. There was a specific play where Bain threw the ball into Palo, and Palo had it in like the low post area. And Desmond was kind of like waiting for him to try to see, like, okay, are we going to move off of this?

Like, am I going to go here? And Palo's just there dribbling the air out of the ball. And so he ends up giving it back to Bain and gets it back for a repost. And I'm just watching it. I'm like, nobody's moving here. There's nothing that like Palo is even looking. looking to create whenever he's in that position, he really just wants the ball to dribble and to see what happens.

And there was no, like his game yesterday, especially whenever he was in the post, it just wasn't intentional. And that's, that's a problem when Franz is doing that and when Desmond Bain is doing that. So, Apollo, like, we talked about him, like, trying to speed up his game and have him make decisions much quicker. And it didn't look like that yesterday. That was frustrating. He did have a good fourth quarter.

He had a key block at the end and a couple good finishes got to the free throw line So they locked in when they needed to They won the game After being down for most of it So salute to them The guy had done

So they have any time To figure things out with each other But yeah You felt that same feeling You had a lot of times last year Where it's like You're the best player In terms of potential

You're the best score We want to figure out a way To maximize the ball In your hands To lead a good offense But the ball moves a lot better In these other guys' hands Who are also really good

And it's your team You're the number one pick You're the again You should and can And probably will be the best player here. But Franz, man, we need to find a way to empower him too because he makes good things happen for everybody. Yeah. And again, I'm going to probably have to, I'm not coming up to, I'm not having any harsh, harsh takeaways, although it is like a overreaction episode.

If I was having an overreaction, Jamal Mosley, all my eyes are on you again, going back to what we said during the off season. I think regardless of the fact, though, this team is going to bear minimum. They should win at least like, I don't know. no, 46, 47 games that could net you out to the third seed in the Eastern Conference. Yeah, that's what I picked in the beginning. I feel good about that. Yeah, exactly. And I, whether or not whatever happens with Paula Van Carroll, I think having another quick process or someone who can masquerade as a point guard, someone who has a lot of juice and like officer tricks to their bag when it comes to bullet, bulleting themselves into the

rim or just like taking seven threes a game and watching three of them go and then you off 42% or whatever that number is, that is going to carry you naturally because. your defense is what it is, or is what it's known to be, that's going to carry you to at least like the 13 and he's a car. And we're talking about the downside of the Palo annoying plays. They still played well. They know, they, not, I'm going to say, play well. They played if he thought the game but came clutch, but they did, you know, Franz had a good

game. They clearly had a good idea of how to stagger these guys and how to have these good lineup combinations. So they did do what I asked to and, like, give Franz opportunity to get his game off with the ball in his hands. It's just the same thing as always. Can we get both you guys effective at the same time? That's worth monitoring, but the simple presence of Desmond Bain and the improvements of the shooting and another creator, they are a better version of who they were last year, which is a pretty damn good team.

Are you going about Miami? Pretty good. I think Norm Powell was gunning like we knew he would. Mr. I'm a 32-year-old rising star. He was playing like that. Davey on Mitchell had 12 assists. I picked him up in fantasy right away. He's now on my team.

That looked good. Andrew Wiggins, starting off, I texted you. I was like, I moved by Wiggins. Laker him now. Shut the fuck up. Laker him. Laker me now. end of the game it got a little iffy just because they're asking so much of him some mistakes came some bad decision making with the ball and his hands came but overall i think he looks good good good opportunities and did well there uh bam made a three nice looks like bam good stall great defenders still they did come through with what they said they were going to do all summer they played fast they ran the ball made that clear effort of playing that way rather than they're off screen mid-range and upward type of game they've been playing for the past couple years when there was jimmy basketball

with these pesky shooters around him, they did have the identity change. They kind of just ran out of juice at the end without having Tyler Hero, but I'm pretty encouraged for what they look like when Tyler comes back. Okay. Cool.

As far as just being a middle-eatim team, you know? I'm not changing my idea then, but I think it makes sense. It was an encouraging game from a team that is down their second best player and doesn't have a whole lot of encouraging outcomes. What's the next team you guys want to talk about? Let me pull up the games.

I'm forgetting what games we played. Me personally, we'll say. I fucking loved watching that New Orleans and that Memphis game. Okay. What is your biggest takeaway from watching Zion for show? Zion is a demon. He fully lost all that weight.

Amazing. He looks like a top 11, 12 player, whatever it is. John Moran, man, like the offense that he's just able to create and how he's able to just dance anywhere on the court and just, again, like, consistently stab his way into the paint and create those opportunities. given the defense hell of pressure. Yes, like it's so invaluable.

I learned that Jaron Jackson Jr. is the same old player, you know. Filed out. Filed out. I'm like, bro, where's, yeah, why is he not in the fourth quarter? Oh, shit. Muffogall, I, six fouls. What the fuck. Six blocks, what the fuck.

Nice. I love to see that. That's a lot of blocks. That's a fuck, little blocks. Yeah, it's needed. It's needed, genuinely. I worry for their big men depth overall. I saw Stric, Sedricedriced Coward,

looked like a great player day one, which is, like, huge for the, kind of just like talent gaps or counted talent efficiencies that they have but overall I walked out of this game looking at the Norris Pelicans and me like yo like this even though they lost this can be like one of the 12 best offenses in the

entire NBA 12's hard but I do agree I felt encouraged because one Herb Jones is playing point forward we heard some rumblings of that he played point guard in college they were in the ball through him he's pretty good as a driver I think he has some good footwork he knows that he uses length obviously he's not like an authorable shooter so it's not going to be

the most like high volume thing but in certain bench units when they don't have their guards out there and they can get in some touches especially in transition and like semi-transition you can get downhill.

I didn't see that coming at all. I didn't either because I didn't know he played point guard in college because I don't watch college basketball but when people told me that I was like okay interesting how is that going to affect his defense

because I kind of want him to continue to be the best defender on the planet at times curious to see over the course of season that if the balls in his hands more can he be just like a two-way god or are we going to see what we usually see

from guys of his caliber on-ball defender where they're God tier when they're 23 but then they kind of slow down over time because they're given more responsibility because they were so good and because they got money

because of the defense they kind of eventually you see that transition to offensive effort hopefully that doesn't happen because I love watching him play defense something to monitor other thing to monitor

Jeremiah Fears driving him the ball hell yeah that man obviously we had the best handle in the draft we interviewed him at the combine I said you're known for having the best handle

in the draft before I could follow up with that sentence he went yeah he said no he said specifically yeah foot on the table He was like, you goddamn right, I do.

I was like, I lost my train of thought. You just shot the fucking star. Or a farmer into my face. But yeah, it stood out. His ability to drive, like, he's obviously a skinny, young guy that isn't, like, physically built out yet. But he had some drives where I'm like, that handle is not just, like, shifty.

It's creative and it's functional. He was creating looks at the rim, getting to these unique driving, like, lay up angles, like off the back iron. Like, he can do some stuff with the ball in his hands that creates open looks. that excites me to see how it develops as he gets older that's that's yeah he had he had one layup where he's going to his left where he kind of like stops and like kind of like like a little

bit jumped back and like welcome the the contact on the layup to keep somebody behind him I was like okay like this is this is good the feel is there like the creativity and like understanding of the court is there yeah initially when that pick happened I remember myself not necessarily hating it but being confused considering they just trade for traded for Jordan pool but no I see the vision he's like another like young guard who has a lot of juice offensively and when it comes to a team like yours who is uniquely built around Zion Williamson you need guys like that so great player I love it. It's the thing I don't think you need guys like that but he's so good that it works

you know what I mean like I would think you want like three and D players you know but he's so nice that it works like obviously you always need a ball handler it's not to say you don't need that at all but it wasn't like what I thought was a priority for the roster for what you described because they had Jordan Poole and like I can understand he doesn't profile as like a the high volume catching shoot three point shooter yeah so i wasn't like that's the guy that fits with zion but when you're just that talented as a driver you can see it working yeah shot to him but i mean never let your jordan pool stop you from finding your point out of the future like you know that is true good point yeah yeah uh it was more about the fit thing where i'm like is he going to be a

good shooter i hope he is if he's going to be next to zion long term but we also don't know with zion long term where that's going to live yeah but he did look good he had a slow start to the game was missing some shots he does typical thing for the rest of the game he does not take open shots. He takes contested layups that are never contested because his touch is the best I have ever seen from the short mid-range area over and over again, whether it was Sontiel Dama in front of him, whoever else, Conchar. He just rose up over them from seven foot out and threw in a layup over their heads, had a good strong finish of the game. Overall, had a good game overall. It looked like healthy sound to me. That game, that game gave me the picture of how I think

basically all of the Pelican games are going to go where they, because they got up, they they started very, very quickly, and they got up on Memphis. You guys will have a good, good first half, good first three quarters, right? The offense is going to be clicking. Then you're going to need to make some stops. You guys can't stop anybody. And then you're going to end up losing the game. Like, that's kind of how I see their season playing out.

And the real question for them is, how big can we get up by in the first half? Can we give ourselves enough cushion for whenever this defense eventually fails us? Because you have that. Also, like, Derek Queen in game one, wasn't super happy with everything that's also yeah that's like that's a player i'm fully expecting to suck for his first year that's gonna take time yeah i'm i want to see how he develops over the course of the year i have no expectations of as of him being like a holy contributor dude they kind of cuts because uh you some messy he went ahead and like he

he rolled the fuck out of his ankle and the way he's going to be out i don't understand reports this yet but it looked like a deep roll so i think he's going to be out for quite a bit and come on lune's already hurt yeah so it's not looking good another caveat quick thing too i want to mention about this game is at it. No. Although I love what I saw from Zion Williamson, the point guard chops or the lead ball handing thing was good to see. But when it comes to his ability to process the game at a high, high level from someone

who you expect to be your lead ball handler necessarily was, it wasn't there 100% necessarily in terms of like the quickness of getting out to certain players. There was plenty of plays where I saw like, Trey Murphy just like hands empty side of his pocket is doing nothing waiting for the ball jordan pool same thing persists with every other guy on proeter too so just noticing something he's pretty good at that though i think we've seen a lot of him being able to do that yeah i chopped that up to like new team you just talked about those guys like jordan pool's new there a bunch of new players trying to figure it out i don't feel concerned about that part it's an overreaction i'm concerned true fuck that zan i can't pass you're

right overreact he's a black hole he's never passed the day in his life next game the last of the interesting ones i think yeah timber wolves versus pelicans another game watched every second of. My bad. Timberwolvers trailblazers. When did this happen? I'm tweaking, man. Timberwolves versus Trailblazers.

Watched every second of this game. Yeah. Mostly because I was glued into what's going to happen when we have all these young players into the rotation now, Clark, Tarrant Shannon Jr., presumably Dillingham, not Dillingham. And we're starting Don't see Vincenzo. What's this new look kind of like? Not a new look, those guys are there before, but the new configuration of this wing rotation going to be like without Nikola Alexander Walker.

fine, I guess, because Anthony Edwards looks like a superhero. The burden he carries they start Don't even chenzo a point guard, that's the headline is that he's a point guard next to him now calling to the bench.

They start Anthony Edwards at point guard is what happened. And he looked like he consulted that burden. It's not like he was, he's not Luca Donch, he's not trying to be some amazing playmaker, but just the things we know about him, the ability to create an advantage

every single time he drives, the ability to be a threat to shoot a three, every single time you go under a, screen, he looked like a superhero. All that glaze that we gave to Wembe would have been given to the

Anthony Edwards and the T-Wools, but sadly they had to play the Portland Trailblazers and their game was on League Pass. Anthony Edwards, again, not similar conversations to Wembe, but I will say that motherfucker looks like he's ascending in front of our eyes once again, putting up what, like 41, 43 points

or whatever it was, with Tumani Kamara as your main defender, you're not going to see as many defenders in the league at all compared to someone like Tomani Kamara and just what the Portland Trailblazers and Chauncey Billups. Free you, not really.

Just acknowledge you're not free. Yeah, exactly. It's crazy. And so seeing what he's been able to do and ascending, no matter what it is, whether it be they do, they ran down Bones Highlands minutes consistently, which was like actually decent or whatever, instead of playing

Rob Dillingham. They rolled down Terran Shannon Jr. Who looks good. He looked like everything that I made him out to be. But, bro,

at the end of the day, like it starts with Ant ends with Ant. He is like the offseason acquisition continuously. Yeah, 18% turnover percentage

in this game that showed the lack of playmaking. There's times where it got a little rough, Timberwolles. I mean, the Blazers were leading for a lot

this game because they're obviously their defense is really good. They were creating opportunities. They were shooting pretty well from three if I remember correctly.

Let me see what they shot overall. Incorrect. They ended up shooting 31% for the whole Timberwolves shot 51% Jesus Christ but yeah the Timberwolves were

I mean the I keep saying the wrong team the Troubles were able to stay in this game I think because of some you know like around the edges flaws in this Timberwolves Russia we already knew about we knew about the slowing down of Gobert that's going to give them some opportunities we know about the lack of playmaking around Anthony Edwards

that's going to give them some opportunities it's just stuff to iron out with a young roster Yeah one gobert bald He's like bald bald Yeah he's bald for real now too I am very like we've been talking about these gms and like you know over over the last two years over the last three years you've been missing on these picks if they gave up assets to go draft basically bones highland right in rob dillingham like that because that's that's really what it

feels like in terms of of his play style and like where he's he's supposed to fit if if that's not a real guy and you give up assets that's going to suck so that that that's one but The ascension of as a playmaker and everything that he was able to do last night with the driving kicks, attacking Klingan and attacking everything that Portland was doing, that was awesome. For Portland, another case of these bigs who have spent all summer in the gym taking threes. Klingin took four threes last time. Made two of them. Shout out to you.

Like, that's if he can actually add that to his game, we're cooking. Different conversation. Yeah, yeah, we're on a on a different level with we're clinging. So I'm really, I'm really interested in that aspect of it. Danny looked really good. The defensive pressure from Portland, you just know what you're going to get from them defensively. But, yeah, last night was about it. And it was about the fact that he can still, he still is like the three point, the three point threat.

The clutch player of the here can't get, right? All of that. He is on that different level. shout out Anthony Edwards man that's like that was only takeaway because it weren't even like for most of the game I was like oh why are they down to Portland like they can't get a stop Portland staying ahead

for a lot of this game and it's just so good you close it out didn't matter it's just going to be so interesting seeing whoever they figure out as the like fifth guy to fill out that rotation when it comes to who's going to be playing next to Anthony Edwards I feel like I've been saying it's going to be Terran Shannon Jr but seeing Bones Highland was interesting

it's just so damning though overall that it's not like going to be be Rob Dillingham. You invests so much assets. Getting no minutes, no burn. Like, that's the worst takeaway ever. Yeah. Because you don't believe,

you're not believed in at all. Okay. Time for a lightning round of the games that are less interesting that, you know, we only have so much time on one day to watch all these games. So games that I didn't watch it all

that you guys might have some notes on. One game I literally didn't watch a second of because I live in Chicago and it's blacked on a league pass so I couldn't go back and watch it and I didn't watch it live. Bulls versus Pistons. No thoughts.

Pistons office looks like it was terrible. I wonder how that happened. I wish I knew, but it's blocked down on the league pass. Yeah, Cade, I watched a little bit of the, of, of Cade stuff today. He, Cade didn't have, have a great game and like his shot was not, was not falling. His three point shot wasn't falling. There were times where, like, he would get downhill, but the finishing wasn't great. But the times where Cade was going downhill with strength and was able to actually use his power to create an advantage at the room, it looked pretty good.

And he started to take over towards the end of the game, but he just couldn't finish it out. And so I don't know if it's unfair because he did make shots to, like, get them back into it. But I'm kind of noticing that when that clock hits under one minute and we start needing some tough buckets, Kate, I'm going to need you to start hitting these buckets routinely because not a lot of other people on that team are going to be able to do that. And then also, Mattis looked great, right? Like just the three didn't really fall last night, but all the other stuff, the athleticism, the defense. the cutting it looked it looked it looked awesome okay uh next lighting round game uh this one i watched a little bit of it but only the first quarter nets versus hornets i will say i am discussing because this is my lightning round game that i decided to go ahead and watch because i am so

interested in seeing how the mellow ball brandon miller and um gosh i'm forgetting the new center's name britts colk renner call griner he's good. Yeah, double double in his first game. He is very good. He's, he's very good at doing the basic big man things that the Chalhorns haven't had since goddamn, I don't know, when, Al Jefferson, Dwight Howard, ew, you know?

I think they have someone who they can rely on. Also, Diabate, too, looked fucking amazing off of the bench. He looks like he belongs in otherworldly conversations, but I'm going to hold that because they played against the Brooklyn Nets. But overall, takeaway is Lamello Ball is not playing the same style of basketball, basketball or brand of basketball that they played last season. It seems like they're like showing a lot of love, finding open, open guys, not playing Save Me, Hero Ball offense at all.

Brandon Miller looks like he's taking another leap, another step. And he feels like he's going to be like the most improved play of the year, most definitely. I think we forgot to do that for our predictions episode. I realize that just now. And I think if I was to have a vote, it belongs to him. We didn't do that, did we? No. I just realized that I was just talking about him in my,

Then I was like, oh, who are MIP picks? Oh shit, we didn't do that. I don't think we did. It's going to be him. Chad Holmgren, haven't thought about a second. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Donovan, I assume me to get the chance to watch this one either.

Yeah, I was not locked in on that one. One I super didn't get a chance to watch. Bucks versus Wizards. Yeah, I watched that one this morning. I went back and watched it. A couple things. One, hey, Yon is supposed to shooters pretty good, right? When everybody is knocking down their threes because they jumped out early

and they were knocking down threes and everything was fine. and you know Washington they just couldn't really keep up Miles Turner looked really good and he looked very impactful and so he's going to change their life he really is and that combination of like Janus being Janice because the game was like semi close and then we get to the second half and really the fourth quarter and Janice is like all right like I'm really the best player here

you guys can't really stop me so I'm just going to turn up so he did that but with Janus with the shooting that that they have they're they're going to they're going to be fine for the Wizards, Alex Starr, Alex R, listen, man, soft. Listen, man. I don't know where it was going. I didn't expect that.

There were so many times where he just didn't, he did not finish at the room because there was such a lack of physicality and a lack of touch. And most of the times Biggs either had one or the other, I saw neither last night. So he was bad. Kishon George, really good, right?

Awesome. I love Tray Johnson, by the way. Trey Johnson is going to be really, really good. He played very well in the first half. Kind of tilled off in the second half, but he is a sniper. Yeah. This Yonis stat line, 37, 14, and 5 against the Wizards team that has no interior defense, clearly on paper, is the least surprising thing of this night.

That is, I feel like I've been seeing that exact stat line against the Wizards from Yonis for seven years. This is just like the most regular thing I could ever expect. Yeah. So shout out the bucks. You know up to a good start, beating the hell out of the worst. team in the NBA, hope you continue that trajectory. And last one, the one that I know, did no way y'all watch this. Kings versus Sons, without Jalen Green, without DeMontas Sabonis, did you get a chance to watch

this game? Somebody could have died in this game. I wouldn't have known until this morning. There was nowhere I was watching this last night. Yeah, yeah. Again, don't have time to get to everybody recording this today, the next morning. Damn sure I didn't watch a second in this game. I don't even know what happened.

Now, I will say, I did watch one specific possession where I saw Zach Lien hit the most like dumb contested three point shot to close the gap within like seven or eight points or whatever it was nice that's my big takeaway Zach Levine can still shoot contested three points I did not watch a lick of this game yeah that's the only one I know absolutely nothing about and that is every game we are going to turn you guys over into a later version of us that is at night time today Thursday night we're going to record after the nuggets game and after the pacer's game so we'll give you guys a thought on those two teams and the teams they played hopefully it was exciting maybe it was terrible I don't know yet

You already know. You will know in five seconds what we think. And we're back here to talk about the two games that happened Thursday night. Like we told you guys, we're going to save some reactions for certain teams until we see them play tonight, including the Warriors, who obviously already played the Lakers. Now we literally 10 minutes ago just finished watching them play an overtime thriller against the Denver Nuggets on the edge of our seats watching a vintage Steph Curry performance. But more importantly, a vintage Aaron Gordon performance. saw the best game of his goddamn career wasted. Before that, another double overtime thriller from OKC.

Where do you want to begin? He'd go too more for you. Yeah, that was a, we were begging for that game to be over because that game ran over into... That game sucked. Which one? It was good, but it was also extremely frustrating. OKC versus Pacers.

Yeah, so I guess we can start there. I'll start there. Another double overtime game that featured the Thunder, once again, having a goddamn terrible offense and refusing to close out of game, missing Jayland Williams. and also now missing case in wallace alice caruso undermanned against obviously an underman pacers team

it was a rock fight for four quarters went to overtime in a way that you would think would be fun because they were going so back and forth they're exchanging buckets but they were frustrating buckets i think yeah for sure now i will say i think the most encouraging thing that i could see from okay sees like okay like great i see another sign heartbeat of another two-way player who has legit offensive juice and that's a j michael Holy fuck, they would have lost his game so badly without him.

This is another, like, random role player that they drafted a couple years ago who came out of fucking nowhere and he feels like, I think my biggest overreaction when it comes to that, this section, for O.KC, is that they have another guy. Yeah. Biggest overreaction is, actually, this isn't an overreaction. This is just true. Nicola Topic, stay over there. Ice that sack.

We're good. We've got the backup point guard. we are good we need another ball handler desperately we saw it in the playoffs last year we're seeing it now with jdub gone if they don't have shay and jadub as their two creators he's a desert of ball handling and yeah he gave him something

there kind of replaced that secondary stuff that jadb normally brings very excited to see what they look like when all three of them are there and very excited to see jadub come back so I'm tired of watching this terrible offensive games they've had so forth this team has to go to summer camp and they have to practice like they're ball handling all summer long because

I mean to start the game you see like they're trying to figure out where where else can we get offense outside of shay we saw lou dort out here running actions trying to trying to get downhill turned into turnovers turned into bad shots like they they were looking for for places they were looking for anybody outside of shay to try and create something and a majority of the time if it wasn't shay if it wasn't a j mitchell who was saving their life you're getting the worst shot possible you know what they weren't looking for bow kept mentioning it while i watched it they refused to look for chad homegrin he was out there floating all game.

It's got, it's been a thing since the beginning of last year, really. After they lost Giddy, they don't really have any ball handlers that have good synergy with him. He gets essentially zero easy buckets fed to him. Shea for all his glorious strengths. Cannot set up a big man for inside reeds whatsoever. He has zero playmaking bag in terms of setting up a big guy under the rim for shots. And this game, you really felt that for Chet.

Because I feel like Jada was probably the best one at that. Yeah. Earlier in this episode, we touched on OKC, just for like a quick. quick second when we're referring to the Houston game against him and then you're like I was like oh man like he's finally doing all the things got his legs back under him and you're like oh get fucked Taylor two fucking games bro get fucked he was there just walking around yeah and even though like sometimes you just don't get opportunities as a player and that's fine as on a game to game basis but the opportunities they did even get he just wasn't good he was like 0 for six for the three

point line he missed plenty of like rebounding opportunities even though he had a good a good rebound the game there are just a lot of like nitty gritty stuff that probably could have been cleaned up but more importantly overall like yeah going back to what you said i don't hate chet hungrum of course but over here out of the three of us i am the lowest on him simply because there has to be like some type of balance and before i go ahead and crown him as like one of the three or four best bigs in all of basketball you have to show up consistently offensively for me personally and he just is unable to do that because of course like deficiencies of his own his team is is just not supporting him at all.

Yeah, yeah. This one was, we've seen some have some bad games where he's not finishing anything and it's terrible. This one I'm like, I guess you could be like, be assertive.

Can't even do that. Look at the Shea offense. It was just ISO every time. And this kind of goes back to the playoffs in the finals. The Pacers are amazing at forcing Shea to ISO and like knowing his habits

of when he will see a double team coming and attack it or when he will be scared of a double team. Not scared. Wrong word. But he will try to deter a double team and just go into ISO to not allow to,

bodies get put on him. And that's what happened on this whole game. This was the Benedict Batherin versus Shea taking turns ISO going band for band masterclass. And that's why like the Pacers proved you can kill the man but not the idea. Because obviously they didn't have Halliburton. Nemhard ends up leaving the game with the shoulder injury. Aaron Eastman fouls out and you have these three guys, these three guards that have like really propelled everything that the Pacers have done. Also no T.J. McConnell in this game. So the four guards that they had last year in the finals they're out and they don't finish the game they don't they don't go into overtime and just didn't matter because pascal siacum was doing a million spin moves and getting to

the spot and rising up making tough jumpers uh you know matherin he was doing his thing as well the pacer's somehow they they were able to fight and scratch and claw and just do the all the indiana pacer stuff that they normally do regardless of who was out there and so if you're a pacer's fan this and you like are trying to point against people like Isaac who are like yeah you guys you're probably tank like you know they'll probably be in a situation where they can sit people at the end of the year they're looking at you now and they're like bro we don't do that that's not how we operate oh course not yeah they're gonna start the year trying hard to win and they're going to do all the annoying indiana stuff that we knew they could do this game was

the poster child for that now what happens when you have to play extended periods without one or two your players that's when i get scared and that's where i'm like you could see it quickly dwindling to where the tank thing comes up by come March because we had to play two weeks without some of these guys and we went one in five in a six game stretch. But I'd never had any doubt that if they wanted to win games beginning of the season, they are clearly equipped to be competitive. And that's what this was. This is the game they didn't win. You know, at the end, they ran out of bodies. They're a light team now and the better team won, but they pushed them damn good. Yeah, for sure. And I think Pascal Seacum continues to prove that he is one of the most

underrated all stars in the league. We talked about it earlier. He just has like no aura. We said some other things. I'm not going to say on camera. But there's a my reason as to why he's like very underrated. And then that's great. That's very expected.

Pascal's Chauvin is going to keep the offensive float no matter what, no matter who's around him. What was unexpected for me was seeing how Bennett Mathurn was able to step up to the play and be as aggressive as he was. That's normal stuff. But the consistency and how we got to his shot and really like finding the right rhythm and beat and not like i don't want to say hijacking the offense but being careless not being careless was like shocking to me and we talked about how we didn't get a contract extension and that

was like cool work by the indiana front office he shouldn't have he needs to go ahead and prove it and games like this if he's going to continue to be somewhat like this regression to the mean of course things are going to be very interesting in indiana and what they decide to do with him yeah uh outside of that you know this game just kind of was but you to expect. The Pacers being very frisky. OKC's offense continuing to struggle, down bodies. At some point, it'll flip around.

They shot 28% from three, which, you know, they don't have their best shooters. So that's not. This is just game eight of the NBA finals. Pretty much. Yeah. And they didn't have the best shooters. So it makes sense that OKC performed poorly. At some point, I hope to see their offense be better than 87 offensive rating in the

half court. Yeah. And this is also, even with like a weird game, we're going to sprinkle in that shade glaze because it was like a it was like a b minus like b shay game that's crazy he had 55 and so like that's that is the like for for okay see that's the part that obviously you can lead on because even if nobody else can dribble she's going to be as consistent as anybody and you know that he's gonna give you a baseline of anywhere of like 30 points a night if if he needs to for the next two three weeks as jdub starts to get back and really like who knows whenever he's coming

back but if he needs to score 35 40 he can do that very consistently and that's actually something that that you can lean on the the thing for okayc really is can we get chet to look like the way that he looked in the first five six minutes of the rockets game rather than how he looked for the last 45 minutes of this game that's that's the thing that you have to figure out exactly and i think the the second half of the rockets game he kind of just like the the ball didn't find him. He didn't play great and it wasn't necessarily like it was just he started strong and didn't close out the game at the same rhythm. This one felt like coaching to me. This one felt like we're getting him no opportunities and like how long are we going to do this for? Like we keep talking

about the things of him getting healthy, the things of him taking the next step, right? At a certain point, we do need Mark Dagnall to like allow him to as a big man. That's obviously not a creator at the ball on his hand necessarily. He can do it secondarily, but he does need to be a play finisher as his primary mode of offensive value. Yeah. We need a better mode of offense. to get him going. I agree. I think it kind of goes both ways. I think there's things within himself that he genuinely could be better at. But also, like, you know, there's this one play where Shay had his back to the basket and he was drawing literally two defenders, all eyes on him. And Chet was like, like, throw me the lob of him right here, bro. And Shay refused to go ahead and

do so. And I think he took some tough shot. And that play right there encapsulates like the Chet Hongram experience as someone who's not a hater, but I'm just continuously noticing. and I'm being a harsh critic. It'll probably look better once Jadab gets back and you can stagger these lineups a little bit more to where Chet can be like the focal point of the offense with some of these second units and start getting him a little bit more looks there

because I don't like you mentioned like Jada probably has the best chemistry with him. I feel like it's Jadip and it's Hartenstein and Harnstein does a really good job of like, you know, you know, of those lobs. Yeah, that's crazy. Ted Lobbs and allowing him to be that type of vertical spacer, it's just hard to do that and play both of them because now Hardinstein is a non-spacer.

And if you're playing like Ludo, you're playing anybody else, the spacing the way that the offense works, it just gets a little clunky at this point in time when you don't have your whole arsenal of players. So once Topich comes back, once J-Dove comes back, and if AJ Mitchell keeps this up and you feel like you can hand him the keys for three, three, four. minutes or whatever maybe those are spots where check can start gaining even more trust of

Dagnol to run the offense and grow and do all those things. Yeah, he's a shoot better from three. That's a part where like you just got to make your threes. That's like the baseline. You're playing the power forward. Like you're going to have to be a good jump shooter. It's not the best thing for him to play the power for like his own production. Tough shit. Hit the threes so we can make this happen and like

actually make it make sense. Otherwise the offense is going to be stagnant. But the inside the arc scoring like he's never going to be some guy that's primarily self-creating. in that way he needs to be a play finisher that's his role be a guy who can roll with the best of them hopefully pick and pop and obviously the defensive value is immense you said he's obviously has things to fix himself yeah he'll always be flawed in terms of like getting his own but buckets but if we can make him a actual guy that has an opportunity to provide value without the ball in his

hands this seems to go a lot further offensively for sure if he played with like a kade cunningham or like a darius garland or something like that or train young or whatever like past first point pass first point guard that you want to throw out there he's averaging a cool like 18 a game easily in his sleep easily with all those law opportunities and just like short roll pass opportunities that all these other guards would like give and naturally she just doesn't veer towards that way he's a he's not a poor playmaker but that's something he really has to genuinely be cognizant of he's a poor interior playmaker for sure oh poor for sure yeah shay can uh set up threes and like he's no clue you've seen him lead offense last year they won a championship but he's pretty

terrible at setting up big men that's also also uh shay and his three point shot through first two games uh it's looking kind of shaky is looking is looking is looking kind of back for a guy who is is as prolific of a score as he is it's weird that every time he puts up a three i think it's not going in yeah yeah hasn't been a whole team it's just been such a cold stretch soon from three that's really it's really the headline of our bearing the lead the team can't make threes right now and it's making everything look worse yeah and yet there's still two oh no because they're the okay see thunder we grade them on a curve we're harsh bring harsh critics you're spending a lot lot of time talking about a team that just want to

nail-biting victories Clemm and Clutch, but high standards. Two and one on the way. Do two back-to-back-back-O-T games, if they don't lose this next game, that's crazy. Young legs are wild. Sheesh, man. Who do they play next? The Atlanta Hawks.

That's right. On Saturday nights. You guys better beat this tired-ass team as Underman. However, the Hawks are going to be tired, too, because they play the magic tomorrow on the day that this comes out, so they'll be on the second night. I guess the magic too. They can get beat up. Trays to be bruised.

Yeah. Listen, man. I have my hope so. We're good. We're good. Don't worry about us. You're scared. You know what else is good.

Golden State Warriors. Now 2 and O. Let's talk about them. Coming off of a victory, beating the Denver Nuggets. In overtime, we mentioned it. Damn,

50 points. Aaron Gordon. And it didn't win. And they didn't win. Because the Golden State Warriors. Dude. Do you know how pissed out B fouls Aaron Gordon?

You're telling me, I hit 10 threes. And I give you 50? Wall since everybody right now. I don't give a fuck. You two, Yolkich. What the fuck is this?

That's crazy. Denver left for most of the game. Look at that big stretch. That big blue giant arc you see from the like five minute march over into after half time. That's Aaron Gordon time, baby. He was going nuts. Yokh wasn't having to do a whole lot.

But in the end, Golden State came clutch. They are as good as we thought they were at the end of the last season. And as good as we expect them to be coming to this year, right? We said if they're healthy, this team is going to be clicking. I don't know if it'll be 27 or three or whatever crazy record it was at the end of last year I can't remember exactly. That's like insane. That what was pace was that was like a 65 win pace.

That was crazy. It's probably not sustainable to that degree, but it was real. As soon as you got Jimmy Bull, they were up, you're saying, this defense is going to be special when you have Jimmy and you have Draymond and you allow them to be menaces defensively doing all the high IQ stuff they do and make this new just foul grifting section into their game that they didn't have before, give them that baseline of free throws to supplement everything Steph and Draymond do. They're real.

They are a force, a two-way team. the question only is this team is old can they withstand it to me by other injury that'll inevitably happen at some point he always misses games all this stuff but when they're whole like they are now this is a damn good team I agree if the playoffs started now bro

they would easily be like one of the two or three most dangerous teams in the Western Conference issue was they have to go through 80 games first and that's like still again going back to what you said a big question mark when it comes to their old legs and we've been talking about it since our predictions episode last week and really for the weeks before that

The whole West is so tight, specifically four through eight or nine, if we're giving Rockets number three as like a tier of their own, Denver number two, tier of their own, OKC number one, obviously. After that, all the teams in that range, Minnesota, Clippers, Lakers, Warriors, I can't, throw whoever else you want there, right? That tier is so unbelievably close. There's really no way to predict it before the season started. We'll see if we feel like all those teams stay there, Los Angeles teams. But out on paper, those teams are so close together. Who knows which way they'll go, right? at this point you got to feel the best with the Warriors while they're whole.

Especially if Steph Curry is doing stuff crazy things, right? Droving 42, taking over, having stretches in this game where he's scoring 13 straight, 16 straight, putting everybody on his back. It's awesome. And he's come out and he's played very well for the first two games. I really like their closing lineup of him, Cominga, Jimmy, Dremont, and Horford. And it sounds weird because just three days ago. I would have hated it because I was not a massive fan of Jonathan Cominga.

He's played very well over the course of the first two games. It looks like somebody who's playing for a contract. It looks like somebody who has sat up in his chair. And we were talking about it during the games. It's not just the shooting that has improved. He's making nice reads. He's making good plays with the basketball and making the extra pass and being somebody that looks like he's actually integrated into the offense

and is buying into what Golden State's doing. And so if you have that aspect in that closing five lineup where the other four guys are obviously very experienced, very smart, have, you know, played in finals and one championships, all that stuff, that gives them the athleticism boost that you need. And if it doesn't stay, that's still kind of fine because you have a rotating cast of guys. You have pods. You have buddy heel for moments, right? Whatever.

But you have people that you can put in there and feel good about. but that specific five, I really liked it. Yeah, I guess that's overreaction, right? For giving one overreaction for every team. For the Warriors, it's Kaminga's the guy. He figured it out. He's here to stay. This is the idealized version of him.

For years, we're saying, where's the extra scoring wing that can come in and fit this system, which you mentioned the school with the reeds. That's the bare minimum. You have to be able to do that to play for Steve Kerr or glue your ass to the bench. Yeah.

And there's been times in the past where he's played really well, so I'm still going to call it an overreaction because I'm too scarred by John the Kaminga good stretches to get too excited. You mentioned it's not just the shooting It's not just a shooting It is everything else you talked about

But with him I feel like he is such a confidence-based player We've had this is a third year in a row now Assuming this is one of those moments Where he has stretches where he shoots like 40% from three And everything comes together The defenses respect them He's hitting those threes without hesitation He slashes off of that

Everything's going smoothly And he looks like they figured it out This is the guy that's going to help them Propel them to the next era And then for the next two weeks He shoots 32% from three It forces it because he feels the lack of impact tries too hard slashing makes bad misses doesn't play good off all defense and everything kind of

collapses off of the fact that the jump shot isn't falling and he feels that i hope that this new i don't want to overreact but i hope that this level of play he's doing for these two games last thicker thin whether whether that jump shot is falling or not i'm going to overreact because tonight that jump brought indeed that jump shot indeed did not fall at all i think he shot like one for four from the three point line but he still had a a great game to his new standard There was this play where towards the end of the game, I think it was around the fourth quarter or overtime, where he double teamed some guy for, I think it was Jamal Murray, baited into a double team with Draymond Green, and he specifically was able to cause enough disruption and diffuse some vision. And he was able to get someone to throw a bad pass, Steph Curry caught it, then he ran down the court, did quick Euro step, and he got to use the two points. It's little stuff like that, which is like the screening, the rebounding, the simple passes

is what boosts up his value so much because of his athleticism. And then of course, like once in a while he's going to give you the random bully ball moments that's ultra valuable that no one on this team can do. So there's that. You got pods like playing within himself, not asking him to do too much. And then also too, these guys are just going back to what you said about their defense, special defense. This is now game two where they have Al Horford and Dre.

Green. These are the two best big men defenders in the entire NBA giving opposing teams bigs fucking issues, bro. Yeah. Just doing, again, I mentioned Jimmy and Draymond being smart. I didn't even add it out over there. Also smart as hell. Yeah. And Stephs and defending well, also smart as hell defensively, especially with the chemistry with him and Draymond over the years of not letting Steph get attacked. They kind of understand the reeds and how to save him. Beautiful. If this coming good thing is real, hoping it is for him, that'll be the biggest swing factor in like our power rankings. because obviously like we did our preseason predictions and like that that was like trying to like think about what's going to happen over the course of the season and like account for wear and tear and all this stuff when we get about 20 games in season we'll do our first power rankings of the season where we talk about how good the teams are right now at this point the warriors are when they just beat the nugget so the warriors are in the running for number two in the west this could be a top five team in the NBA come 20 games if they're still whole facts and the nuggets can can also be there and I think I mean obviously like they have

Yokich, and, you know, he, he, Yolkis did, Yolkish things tonight. Jamal Murray looked good. Aaron Gordon, obviously, look at, I think that his shooting carrying over, carrying over to this season and last year not just being like a one-year wonder of, I'm just going to, you know, just pop off and shoot crazy. And then I'm going to go back down to what my, what my normal shooting splits have been for the rest of my career. Obviously, that's, that's massive.

I get, for them, the overreaction is, did they, did they mess up by, by treating? by trading away MPJ for Cam Johnson because today he didn't make a massive impact until you see what MPJ did in the first game you're like nope I think we're fine either way you saw five for 15 I think we'll live yeah yeah that's the reaction is

is Cam Johnson the guy and yeah you're right it's an overreaction for that one for a reason nobody's really worried but you didn't get to see him get going today I guess the defense is the bigger question for this game clearly they can walk down in the end the point of attack defense

this was the thing. But I kind of feel the same way I felt about the Lakers loss where I'm like the Warriors are just clicking right now. I'm not really taking away much other than the Warriors are really good right now and they're hard to deal with, especially on a bad Yokish game. Yeah, I agree. It's hard to take away too much when it comes to the Yokin's shooting like 8 for 23 and 2 411 from the 3 point line.

Like those things are just, they don't happen too often. Yeah, it's kind of is what it is. It's a bad yokish game. One thing we mentioned that we were watching the game, I kept saying Bruce Brown kept getting these rebounds and pushing your transition where I was like, I was about to say, that looked like Russell Westbrook. He's kind of filling that void that he left, but then he missed a shot. And I was like, damn, I know I can't say that.

And you were like, sounds like Russ. So, yeah, shout out Bruce Brown fitting in well right away. Jonas von Chunas was large. He was out there. He was playing basketball. I also made a comment to you that it's remarkable how much he moves like Yokch when you see them together. They have very similar big guy movement patterns.

Not necessarily compliment, but it's an observation. No hip mobility and no lower back flexibility. but yeah they'll be fine TBD what goes on with them want to see them against more teams I'm just really happy I'm not happy just very like encouraged by the Warriors

yeah that's the yeah these first two games to win in the fashion that that they did in terms of like in game one being able to really control the game and then in this one be down at home

and be able to walk down the nuggets and walk down Yokage they're complete man very solid start I hope they say healthy because I really hope we can see this Steph Curry drum on green duo get another run in them because obviously last year we were very excited about them going to the

playoff time stephen immediately gets injured and it's like fuck that you just takes the air out of your lung because you don't know how many years they have left with these guys who at any point can and probably will get injured without to withstand that I also find addressing that this is the year where we have like the least conviction about any team in the west where like our whole predictions episode when we got to this range really after one we can throw the nuggets in there I can see it here yeah I can see it there we put the we put the warriors like six or seven because it held stuff. None of us are shocked or good.

We all were like, yeah, these themes good. Whoever you put it at six, this seems good. Where we put it at five? This team's good. I don't feel courage about any order there. Like you tell me they're two or they're seven, cool. You tell me the clippers are two or they're seven. Cool.

Like all these teams can be in any order. They're all just really good. Yeah, man. But I do have an inkling of a feeling if the warriors keep on doing these things, which is persisting on being one of the better defenses in the NBA. cominga being this huge boost imagine what's going to happen when moody comes in and takes away that random rookie's name what's his name who just like you know we talked about Steve Kerr loses oh oh richard yeah he's pretty well though he's doing good like yo Steve Kerr is the king of just

having random rookies buy into warriors basketball last year it was like geese santos the year before that it was just there's so many other random guys um if we could guarantee the warriors stay healthy Are they three or four in our prior rankings? I think if I'm guaranteeing health, I see them being three. Let's say we guarantee everybody's full health and nobody has injuries to deal with at all. Three. I think this is the team that I have the least amount of questions for compared to everyone else. Could you think about putting them above Denver?

I could think about, no, I couldn't do that. Maybe. Maybe they'd be the same tier, I think. They'd probably be three and I would probably drop Houston out just because their offense was so clunky. Yeah. And I do think that for. But even then, like Houston last year, like we knew that their offense was clunky and it was still going to be like a toss up in between them and go to state in the in the playoff round. And now that you add KD into that makes I'm not not really sure.

But so like that that would be the debate for me. But they were they got KD. We got out Horford. Fair. I love it. Yeah. That's definitely going to be the debate to me. Like it's again, assuming everybody is healthy, I'm not down the Warriors team at all. And I'm also not down in the Rockets at all.

So that'll be something to keep in our minds about a fun debate. Yeah. I'm pray to God, LeBron comes back fast so we can throw the Lakers there and have optimism. Because right now, without LeBron, they are not in that debate. They're not even close to that debate. I'm looking at these role players and I'm like, man. Yeah. LeBron come back.

Give us a chance to put you with these conversations. Yeah, man. If the drama's true and LeBron is out of here, they're not touching these combos. There was this one video on Twitter. Insane reach. But I don't think it was like a reach. for nothing. It was just a funny talking point where it showed like, it showcased every

time a certain player like Buka or whoever it is, Austin Reed did like some cool big player or whatever. LeBron's just like this. He's not clapping or anything. Just stale faced the entire time. I saw there's obviously a bunch of discourse about that. We were reading into it to a hilarious degree. We should talk about early in the Laker

section. We forgot. I know. I saw a tweet that this is my new stance on this. Someone said, y'all must not know how it feels to have a Seattle Nerve pinch. Not shit is funny. It's hard to watch. I gotta buy that that it's really uncomfortable to have Ciotica. So he's sitting there like, I don't want to be here right now.

I want to be home doing fucking treatment on my back so I can play. But I got to be court side. Of course I'm not geeked. I'm not going to have a good time right now. I kind of buy that. It probably is the case. Man, if it's that it's like that serious,

hang it up. There's just no point of showing up for the rest of it. Like, just hang it up, bro. I mean, he just hurts. He's not going to fall apart.

Until he falls apart. Because it hurts. Like, I've never heard anybody that has had any like, back issue, just be like, yeah, you know, I went, I took a little Advil and I was fine. So I was like, I wanted to die. Yeah. That was the worst experience of my life. I didn't say at this point when you're recovering from Seattle, it's, there's no treatment

for it. You just have to just let it pass because it's a pinch nerve and it just, it's like pain resistance at that point. Yeah. And it just hurts real bad and you can't do anything about it. Ah, man up, bro. Man up. As you limit with your mobility, you can't do anything.

They've got to hope you wake up and it's gone. Yeah. God damn, man. This is so sad. can take me. No, don't take me. I pull my back lifting

numerous times and like pulling a muscle or something. Not fun. I couldn't imagine having Seattle and it's like lingers for days. And trying to play NBA basketball? Oh,

fucking die. I sometimes like lay on my couch and it's like stay stiff. I couldn't imagine for weeks on end. Yeah. And people want me to go out there and they're going to yell at me

and call me a brat for sitting on the sideline being unhappy about it. For not clapping or pumping your fists. Call me an immature child. Kick rocks. I'm 40. Fuck you.

My son's next to me I don't want to see my son right now I'm pissed Okay well that's That's our reaction to these two games Excited for the Warriors annoyed by the Thunder offense Bring it back

TBD on Denver We'll see what happens with them And just happy to watch the patients play basketball Exactly Whatever they do is whatever they do Evil is still alive in the world And with that being said

I think it's time I think it's time For the first ever opening night TikTok time of the 2025, 2025, 26 season. I feel like this year will be historic, generational for us, new memes, new inside jokes, new crayons to munch on. More generational than 2025 when the Lakers got Luke Dodgich? All right. You're just ruining my five. We move.

Let's go to TikTok time. welcome to TikTok time today we are once again going to begin with the draft somehow i found a draft topic that we've never done before were we are going to draft NBA teams with only players whose name is alliteration okay now for the people who can't read what does that mean alliteration is typically with two words begin with the same letter or sound and we're not going to be too lenient with it we're going to be very lenient with it it doesn't got to be necessarily the same sound just the same letter so a double d name a double j name Jaylen Johnson, stuff like that.

Gotcha. Okay, the bowl, ball, ball draft. The bowl draft. I dare you to draft bowl. Draft order is Donovan, me. Mojo, 99, in third. Donovan, where are we going with the first player

in the alliteration draft? First player in the alliteration draft. We are going old school, big man, Moses Malone. I completely forgot about Moses Malone already. Damn. We going all time, okay. You weren't prepared for all time?

No. I thought he was doing current. Nope, nope, you're fucked, buddy. I will go Paul Pierce at the three. I forgot Mosin. I would have gotten him anyways. Damn. Yeah, I completely forgot.

I always forget about Moses Malone and fucking NBA. See, that's the problem. That's the issue. No respect for the others. Okay. He probably is the most underrated play ever for the new gen that like don't even think about him as a entity. He's up there. Okay.

So at my one, give me Cade Cunningham. And that might That might two give me Dyson Daniels Damn, that's early Yeah, Dyson Daniels How to get your guy early, all right Yeah

You already got your point guard Listen, I don't have very many point guards written down Give me Rajan Ronda Give me the Synergy with Paul Pierce I can't risk it Were you gonna pick him? Yes Thank God I would pick Peyton Richard

I don't want that That is tough All right I got Moses Malone Listen, he can hold everything down in the paint And I need people who can do it on the wing At my small forward, Iceman, George Gervin Does that count? George Gervin?

It's two G's. It's just two Gs, but it's not necessarily Are we laying that right? I think it counts. Okay, if it's two. George Gervin. If it's not, it's okay Because I can go somewhere else.

Okay, good. Okay. At the two, give my God, Mr. Triple Threat, I sold Joe. Okay. Joe Johnson. Okay.

okay okay I said the two or three at the two okay I mean should we let him up George Gervin we did say we're gonna be lenient with it but he brought it

he already yeah that was the only reason why like that was one of the names that was like an if I just want to be fair I think it should have slid I think it should have slid if you want to get him

if it's lies then cool then put him at three okay so you got uh Joe Johnson and then George Gervin at the three okay yeah we'll give you George Gervin why not it's two Gs

we said we're gonna do letters only that's fine I wish I would have thought about George Gervon. I would have picked George Gervin or Paul Pierce. I would have picked them with that being said. Give me Darrell Dawkins at center. Give you double D. That's chocolate thunder.

That's a matchup right there. That's a matchup right there. We're breaking rins. That's funny as hell. Okay. Let's go real fucking big here. Just pick Jalen Johnson. We know you're going to pick them.

What position you want to make? He's just going to make the Hawks. What position do you want to Hawk get? Give me Jaron Jackson Jr. at my four. Damn it. And put Jalen Johnson at the fucking three. Okay. Real big.

Yeah, you should have went all time. My team is fucking cooking right now. I'm just not thinking his center's going to be on Yeko Okun. We'll see what I'm thinking. I think you have, you clearly have better research to me. I didn't put much time into this. I missed two Hall of Famers and Gerber and him alone. So I don't even know.

There's no one else. At least I don't think so with the research that I did. I'm going to put. We're going small, putting Paul Pierce at the four. Give me Bruce Bowen at the three. Give me a defender. We're rolling out wings. Okay.

I'll just write Bowen here. What doesn't matter? Dusty team. Dusty team. We play the game the right way. See, how do I... Okay, so one, I need a point guard. I'll take Ricky Rubio as my point guard.

Okay. I need somebody to set up Joe and Gervyn. That's all he needs to do. No shooting in sight, though. Not a single three-mo shooter on your team so far. It's okay. And I'm a power forward. See, I don't really know there's a couple of things that I can do that I can really lean into.

But which is, we're just going to be big. We're going to go Houston Rockets. Go, go double center. I will take Clint Capella. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Ricky Rubio. Your team is garbage.

Your team is the worst team. We're going double big. This is in every offensive rebound, every rebound possible. This is the worst team to ever feature two Hall of Famers. Yo, damn. Give me Bradley Bail, shooting guard. Yo, fuck, man. This is nasty.

Clickapella is not the double big type of guy I want. That's not the guy. Jesus Christ, man. If you had like dockings and Malone, I'm like, fuck it, we're beasts. Clickapella's not moving me at parrish. Clickaple at four. Damn. This is nasty. Okay.

I will move Moses to the four. we'll put Capella at the five. Whatever. I guess. That makes it a little better. Joe Johnson's going to have to score 50 a night. Can you think of any other centers left that he took Coppola? I think he could have gone two other ways.

I think he could have picked Patrick Patterson. Who do you want at center? Who do I want? Yeah, because it's your last big. You're up next. Oh, shit. I'm taking on Yankee Kohnwood. That's no question.

Straight off. Hell fucking yeah, bro. All right. My team isn't even that good, but I guess I win by default because you have three Hawks and you have no shooting. Oh, I got Cade Cunningham

and Jared Jackson, Jr. And three Hawks. If the Hawks have this actual team, are they winning a chip? Fuck no. Are they winning a chip? Jaron Jackson Jr. and Jen and Johnson is fucking nasty.

This is not nasty. This is a fine team in the East. This is a three seat in the East. This is a three seat in the East. This is a three seat in the East. I don't know. I guess they could be two seed. No, they can do one.

Yeah, this is a great team. It's not a great team. If they had someone better than a Yenka. Kiss my ass. This is the great team. What are you talking about a great team? They're not being the Thunder. They're not being the...

No one's his nuggets. You don't have to be a great team to beat the Thunder or the Nuggets. Come on now. I mean, kind of. That's like a Nuggets can be a gateway to great team. Okay. The Cleveland Cavaliers is a great team. They're not doing that.

The Knicks are a great team. The Kows could beat the Nuggets. That's that impossible. Anyways. I got K. Dyson, Jalen Johnson, Jaron Johnson, Jaron, Jaron, Jaron, You're in on Yaka. Okay.

I got Rajan Rondo, Bradley, B. Paul, Pierce, Bruce Bowen, Daryl Dawkins. And I have Ricky Rubio, Joe Johnson, George Gervin, Clint Capella, and Moses Malone. Good Lord. I can't even breathe with that team, what he just said. I can't move.

I feel claustrophobic. That's crazy. All right, next thing we're going to do. They figured out how to play basketball in the 70s. I think we'll be okay here. We play basketball with Converse and Crackheads. Like, we'll be fine. Okay.

That's the bar. If we can play Cracket basketball? we can give up with the Crackens. Okay. Great. I thought it could do that for show. None of our teams are very special. If I would have remembered George Gervin

and picked him over Paul Pierce, then I would have been cooking. I wanted Joe Johnson so bad, man. So, so bad. All right, next thing we're going to deal. Listen, it's a new season. Wait, tell me, you could have had Joe Johnson. You picked Dyson Daniels over him.

Yeah, I wanted Joe Johnson after Dyson. You'd think Dyson Daniels would have went ahead of Joe Johnson? Potentially, I don't know where you guys said at. I mean, he did, but let's. Okay. You like it, I love it, man. Listen, you took a swing, it didn't hit. Sometimes they don't.

It's fine. But, what? Team construction? W. You do have a good team construction. That's what you got for yourself. You have a good size and your team makes sense. Can't say the same for everybody up here.

You might be pretty small. Okay. You know, it is a new season. We're still doing the same old stuff. We're still doing our classics. We're going to roll back a class. We haven't done quite a while. I am going to show you some NBA players as babies, and I want you to guess who they are.

All right. Okay. We've done this in the past plenty of times. This is some new players you guys haven't seen before. children. Or maybe you have because you're a weirdo when you've seen them outside of these challenges. But I assume you have not seen these.

He's sipping water. He's a little nervous. Say, fuck, I'm an expert. No, man. I've been digging through Facebooks. I don't belong with Billups in them. No. I'm going to be jail punished terrorists. Yeah, no. So, it's a real simple. I'm going to show you an NBA baby. You tell me who you're looking at.

First off, who was this child? I saw this last week. What the Actually, he's a no, no, but I actually don't know who this is. But I'm going to guess white player, I'm going to go con canipal. No, this is not concanipple. Ooh, is this Cooper Flag? Not Cooper Flag. No, okay.

It is a white player. You guys have that part, right? I can guarantee you that that isn't. Reed Shepherd. Not Reed Shepherd. This is pretty easy. Look at the face. Look at the side profile.

This is a notable white. A notable white player. Is this Peyton Pritchard? What? No, look at the hair. This is Austin Rees. I don't know, man. This is Luca Dachich.

I never seen that pick in my life. This is Luca Dantzich. You can see it. Brother, kind of. You guys don't know white children good enough. Also, look at the background. I pray you continue to not do so either.

Look at the background. It looks European. It looks non-American basketball courts. His dad did grow. I think it was a coach of such a shit. Yeah, it's not recognizable to the American eye and he's a basketball court. Okay. The American mind cannot comprehend European basketball courts.

Next up, who is this child? Chris Josh Porzingis. Paula Beakero. It looks like Paulo, dude. Like right now. But that is Chris Osperzingis. There are several pictures online with him at Cornrose. Yeah, bro.

He was apparently a big AI fan. AI fan, Mela fan. Yeah. This is what Cornwall. He just, he's appreciated the Rose. Exactly. What he did? Where's he from again?

Lavia. Bro. Latvia and kid running around the street to Corals. Brother, man. I promise you right now. He was saying it. There was not one think piece in Lavia about colonel. He wore these freely.

Nobody pressed him. God, man, that's K.P. You can see it in the eyes. That looks exactly like he does now. Yeah. Next up, who is this child? Who the hell is this Justin Bieber ass baby?

What the hell? What's going on? It's like a 13-year-old. That cheated. I will say, this is the easiest one yet. Smiley as fuck. Actually, don't know who this. I don't know.

Wait. My mind. is processing right now. This is Josh Giddy? This is Josh. Yeah. Okay. You know that meme from the really old one?

It says, I know she runs on McDonald's like the Navy. Oh, I think so. That's what he looks like. Wow. I will not elaborate. Oh, you can't know. Oh, I can't. He was on a TV show, a specific one.

Next up, who is this child? Ew, is that modest? No, it's not modest. This is Yokic? That is not Yokic. I'm thinking of... This is not modest. I'm just thinking about some of the bigger players in the league.

Bigger players? Because they had Chevy Sheiks as a baby. They're probably big today. Maybe. It's a six with you. It's a correlation. This is not Reed Shepard? This is not Reed Shepard.

I am Reed. Wow. Okay, so what? Am I off base thinking that they have like a rounder face at least? Not reach a bird Okay Yes not around her face Not around her face

Okay Is Kevin Herder No he's a ginger That is not red hair I will say This player isn't still blonde He isn't blonde He is dying his hair

Not only he died his hair Just his picture It makes it look lighter He's like outgrew it Okay Wow He plays on a team Of somebody we mentioned already

In fact you guys Have said his name Already today It's conconinipo Why what? No He doesn't know No

Cooper flag? No. This is Austin Reeves. Wow. He doesn't look like at all, bro. Bro, I had this theory that I told you off pod, man. What is it? They'd be shapeshifters, man.

I can't tell. Who'd be shapeshifters? Bro, these white babies, they're looking so different. It's crazy. I can't tell. They don't look the same at all. This looks more like Reed Shepard than Austin Reeves. Next up.

Who is this? Who is that? Basketball never stops. This chat? broken arm he does stay with the broken bone this is chet hungry that's what gave it away man

the broken ass bone it checks out that wow we were talking about like you know he just breaks bones that's unlucky it doesn't happen that often we might have just got another example your injury prone theory is starting to he'd be breaking bones

he does not drink his milk am noticing something right now holy fuck chet he needs to lock in he does next up who is his baby who the fuck is that who the fuck is that who has eyes like that i'm sure see now the adonis

it was that meme of moly cyrus the eyes all big yeah the ones like this like their eyes always start to like shift so maybe maybe he's shape shifter this dyson daniels what the hell did he just say that's the worst guess i've heard of my life dice and daniels we got to kick his head. They're not in the same skin color. Noth. Don't he have the same hair? Look at the eyes. You think Dicey Dio's progressively turn blacker? Brother, we have to beat it with the Maybe I don't know how long he's been outside.

Like, I don't know what I'm talking about. Like Dice has been black. What? The blonde hair. First of all, first of all, the hair texture is, is if you guys want to get on me for anything, it's the hair texture. There's light babies all the time they get darker. That's a Caucasian child.

We have to kick his ass. I have no idea. We got to kill them. No, I don't know. Hammers. Missiles. Oh, shit. Fuck, man.

Again, I had no damn clue. He's up there drooling to? You're right. Lock in, coop. Damn, bro. I have no idea. Hook your head up. Dice and Dams up for the funniest guess in T.J.

History. That is the worst guess ever. Holy shit. There's never been a baby that looks less like Dyson Daniels. Oh, my God. dice and nails what the fuck I don't know

why it's so funny Dyson Dyson he's black Yeah I'm like y'all haven't

seen like white black babies before you know it's not blue eyes yeah blue eyes like that in the blonde hair

people have crazy eyes all the time dude that that baby is pure blood it's so clear it has a little flash on them I don't know

he could be could be a little bit darker in the flash, brighten them up. Next up, who was this child? Is he dead now? This got to be Walker Kessler. This is Jerry West. I'm on it.

I'm on it. They don't make. pictures like this anymore this is clearly a classic like you can't even go you know what I'm saying they don't sell this at the package that sees it anymore he's sitting too oh man think about it I really redeem myself and I'm actually very proud of myself it's a dark again you didn't get it right I guess why I mean you got her Nobody was never going to guess a dead person

Yeah, you got her right You got it I would never guess that It looks like one of those haunted ass pictures Where you can tell ghost stories About this kid Oh gosh

I'm covering the kids I was doing some shit At night he was not supposed to be I don't know the race of babies But I can tell if they're like Still with us or not This baby was trapped in an attic I feel very good about that

It was cursed by witches I cannot breathe Oh my god This picture will go like crazy in a locket or something for sure no not even that 2025 version put him in a big ass

pin it just big ass diamond VVS is right You want you spit it? Yeah I need a tissue recuperate When I iced out Jerry West It's gonna be crazy No one is forgetting his legacy

We gotta do that We hit a million so I saw Jerry West RIP Oh my gosh Next up who is his baby That shot is so broke that's Michael Key, Gilquist. Is this? Is this Lowry?

No, not Larry Mark. Kevin Love. Wow, that's Kevin Love. Okay, there you go. Wow. His dad was in the league and his dad was friend with Clay Thompson's dad or some shit like that. Michael Thompson? Yep.

Oh, is that a Michael Thompson jersey? Probably. No, it's a Jerry West jersey. Oh, it is. It's 44. You're right. I completely done on that. telling stories like nobody was no relevance to where he was friends he was friends with the

his dad yeah he was a lakers fan he grew up in other next up who is this baby we got two pitches for you baby's racist yo he knows how to print his annunciation skills age one crazy what's he announcing she just called me a name i don't like it yo man this is larry this is larry this is so nasty she's like larry famously talks shit in the 80s? No, I don't think he said it. In the 80s? No chance.

Where did you grow up? Indiana. He said it. He said it. He's definitely said it before, but did he say it, like, actively? Is the question. No, we can't put this on there. Probably not.

Do you think players back then, like, said it, like, white ones, and it was, like, tolerated? In terms of, like, just shit talking? Probably. Okay, maybe, maybe not. Obviously, not with, like, extreme prejudice. We know what I mean? I mean, actually, no, it in 80, it would be prejudiced. So, like, do you think it was tolerated?

In the 50s and 60s, I guarantee you, it was, when did it stop? I think probably... After Martin? Hmm? After Martin? No, there was probably, like, like, a quick rise. Yeah. I think probably...

You know how like... When somebody dies and, like, their streams go up? Like, it's probably like that. Yeah. Uh, man, probably right after, like, Bill Russell's second or third shift. He earned it He said, they're like, all right, we got to stop He put that shit to bed

Yeah, motherfuckers running to leave now, we got to stop We gotta give it to him Yeah I guess he's a person I gotta respect his existence I'm no longer thesis Next up Who is his baby?

What the hell? He looked like Oh my goodness He looks like beans Yes Yes From Malcolm in the middle Oh, okay

No that's not from Malcolm in the middle No my bad What is that from him? Even Stevens Yeah, wrong one. They don't know about even Steven. They don't. I mean, I messed up.

I forgot about you was Stevens. Dude, who the hell is this? Yeah, I actually really don't know who this is. But this is like... The right picture you can tell more. Lindsay Lohan. That's how that is Steve Nash. What the fuck it is?

Dude, again, I would have never been able to tell. You look like a lizard as it, baby. He does. Salamander. Dude, I just found out today he was. He was born in South Africa. No fuck. Grew up in Canada.

I had no idea. Mr. Worldwide. Damn. International. Who is this baby? Ew, man. If this is not Tyler Hero, then I don't know who this is.

This is not Tyler Hero? Nope. Whoa. I'm lying. Tyler Hero. Okay. This is his brother. That is Tyler Hero.

In the Miami Jersey. Born to be spoken into existence from the womb until he gets traded. Damn. Dude, he looks annoying even as a baby too. That's a bad kid. I know. It is. He looks like you can gnaw on some wood.

Bax, he's just picking up stuff and chewing on them for no reason. I see the silver teeth. Bax, just drawn on how the bathroom stalls. And that's the last one. Good Lord.

Next thing we are going to do, let's talk about Victor Woman Yama. Please. I would love to. This is a Victim Woman Yama glaze episode, as you guys have seen so far, if you've been here,

we're just getting started. I got more glaze in me. Okay. I got several topics of glaze in me, actually. Okay. Let's go ahead. First one. We are going to pick the Victor Women Yama from every NBA decade.

So who was the Wembe of the 80s? Who was the Wembe of the 90s, et cetera, going back into the 60s. And when I say that, I really guess what I would mean is, I guess we can talk about what makes Victor Woman Yama him. I think it's a combination of we've never seen this guy before, whatever that means. It can be any way. And physical outlier. So never seen somebody out plays like this before and physical outlier.

It's kind of what it means to me. Maybe you guys disagree. You can make a case for anybody you want. But starting in, let's start in the old days. 1960s. Who was the original, Wembe? Well, Chimberlin. I guess it will.

Yeah. 60s, definitely, Will Chamberlain. O.G. alien, right? Probably, yes. He was like a foot tall and everybody around him. Like, that's the O.C. Okay. I see you fighting to think of somebody else to not give it to him.

I know, but he got it. He got it. He's the OG guy that was like, nobody's like this. Yeah. 1970s. probably koreen yeah well does a presence of will make him less of an alien no i think it's koreen i guess it's at time like nobody really had that kind of like touch from so deep with being that big that was pretty unique yeah and so

okay so yeah i think i i think i would go with kareem in the in the 70s but like maybe bill walton if you add in like the passing and all this stuff true like but also there's a year we'll have tennis we've seen a big man pass before that okay then let's yeah let's Go Karimda. 1980s. Interesting one. I feel like you could go Magic or Jordan. Both of them kind of broke the mold a little bit.

I think Magic might have been more. Oh my God, I've never seen this before. The 6-9 guy is a point guard? Yeah, I think you've seen bucket getters before. Yeah, we've seen a 6-6 shooting guard. Like Dr.J. Jordan Gervon was there. Not really, though. We've seen that mold.

He was the best one. And he was the first one to win with that. But we've seen that like a scoring guard to some extent. Yeah. I feel like magic was more unique. Yeah. like before magic you've seen guys do similar things in but not at that size and at that like rate of just constant production and with that flair like I feel like he had to have been the most unique player a young child in 1985 has ever seen I think magic is definitely more of a unicorn in terms of making model okay yeah because even even today like there's a lot of people who obviously are like big wings and play point guard and stuff nobody's still like truly a magic Johnson. Yeah, yeah, everybody's kind of like

slight shades, but nobody's really like him. And like, you know, Kobe came after. Anthony Edwards, there's other people that ilk. Jordan. 1990s. This would either be, it would either be Jordan or it would be Shaq. And I think that

Shaq probably has it. Yeah, I feel like Shaq came on and it was like no he's ever been as powerful. That's the strongest, just load of muscle I've ever seen. And the same way we say Wembe is the longest player I've ever seen. I feel like Shaq had to have been the strongest player ever since. And it had to be so confusing to see somebody like that being strong,

be able to run up and down the court that fast. And everyone's like, okay, what do we do here? He's like, there's other bigs that are like running Dunk Man that way. But he was such an outlier physical specimen. Nobody can keep up with him. It's kind of whenby is now. Nobody's tall enough to keep up with Wemby and nobody was strong enough for Shack. Okay.

2000s. I think we can go two ways with this. We can go LeBron James. Nobody's ever been Magic Johnson, but also the hops of Jordan. Or we can go Kevin Durant. nobody's ever been 6-11 that can shoot and dribble like that i don't think we'd go katie not yet katie would be more of like

2010 yeah but he came around the 2000s i mean 2007 he got drafted yeah but he really like ascended 2010 11 12 and all that so is lebron james won't be to 2000s yeah i think it's lebron james for the 2010 or for the 2000s also just because the instant you're supposed to be the best of the world right away

lived up to it it's yeah went to the finals in what year three years yeah so much like that year four yeah Yeah, 2010s. Do we go Kevin Durant? Do we go Janice? No. Do we go Steph Curry?

Nobody's ever seen some shit like stuff before, that's for sure. Also, Janus, to be that big and strong and be able to move like that, that fast with that handle? Physical outlier? Maybe we go Curry. I disagree on Janus because obviously, like, the place I was not one to one. You can trace him back in enough, like, family tree branches to Shaq. Okay, young Shaq. Yeah, Shack or like David Robinson or something like that.

So I would put Janice out there. So it either would be KD or would be Steth. Then I think we go KD just because the physical outlier part, just because he also is insanely skilled nervous him before like stuff, but he's also 6'11 and moves in a way that does not make sense. Yeah, but I feel like I'm almost more inclined to go with stuff because of the influence that he had on the entire style of basketball and also when it comes to the skill set,

just how deep and consistent, how quick he gets those things off. Well, that's not Webby. It's who's the Wemby, the 2010s, not who's the most unique player of the 2010s? Wembe hasn't changed the style yet I don't know

I think Wemby I think it's not unique player okay so so we can we can go KD

especially if we're talking about like high draft picks and people who had a little bit of pressure on them um

is there any any love I don't know because I feel like we've seen we've seen going back to what you said

when it comes to like Magic Johnson and saying how we haven't seen any real versions of him yet we've seen plenty of several versions a couple of versions of kd with brandy ingram with whoever the hell you want to go yeah brandon ingram we there's a lot of kd and wemby's game there's a lot of kd and chet's game you know but you can't say that about step

currie well we're picking who's the kd and you say there's a lot of kd and wendy's game sounds like katie's the kd no i'm talking about just comparisons to players games it's no one we can say that for step did no one thank you you finally admitted it could you always like to talk about the the deep three shooting so thank you we have have that on record. Trey Young and Dame are closer to Steph than Brandon Ingram is the KD. And there's the style of play.

There we go. That's not an inability. That's not the question. Yeah. You know, just so ha. Such a random side tangent, ha. We've been going back before for like eight months. We had to do it.

I guess, I guess Katie, just because if somebody chose to, you can choose to play like Steph easier than it is to choose to play like Katie just because of a regular physical build. Like if you wanted to get into the live and like I'm gonna get my cardio super up and just be like a great shooter,

you can kind of do that. And there's been great shooters who just run around and shoot. I feel like this, yeah, I feel like this is obviously Kevin Durant. It's not as obvious as you're making it. It's a simple evolution.

We had the first guy to every 6-11 handled the ball and shoot like that and now we have the next one. Like that's such a one-to-one corollary of like he was a baby step to Wemby. Like they were both equally as shocking. Okay, I'm fine with it It's a tougher conversation

Just because of similarity Obviously, like Seth's also unique But I think in terms of who's the Wemby That's a clear similarity Katie, okay There's not a lot of Wembe's man These are the best players of all times Well

You Next thing we're gonna do I'm gonna show you guys Every single one of the new NBA throwback jerseys That have been added to the league this year There are five I guess they're gonna do five new teams every year To go along with the city jerseys

that get a classic edition jersey and my god did they bring out heaters this year these are all amazing we're gonna grade them A through F and at the end we're gonna rank them after that or which ones you like the most Okay okay

So first off Cleveland Cavaliers Bring him back the early LeBron era A plus plus plus plus Plus plus I can't believe this is a throwback now It's kind of crazy I feel old Nevertheless it's an A plus

This is a beautiful jersey The trim with the three colors The blocks look like dominoes Beautiful I kind of wish those are solid colors But I'm not mad at it that makes the jersey to me the colors pattern like that and i'm going to give this an a minus only because the trim here it's a little bit different than what it used to be the trim used to be

a little bit smaller like in terms of the blocks but nevertheless this jersey is special this jersey means something to me i'm going a plus i've said it before this is the first jersey i ever bought with my own money you did say how much did you spent on it 60 dollars at foot locker and he remembers that okay the color is beautiful the skin is perfect you never forget Real stitching, too. Not this fanatics. Not this fanatics mess. Yeah, it's not screen press bullshit.

Hold on, hold on. You spent $60 on a screen printed jersey? No, it wasn't screened. I mean, on a, my bad. On a stitch jersey? Yes. Unk. That must have been 1995.

Yeah, it was crazy. It's crazy, man. Unk. Yeah, color scheme, perfect. Nostalgia, amazing. The way then put it into the modern cuts, make it look even cleaner. Amazing.

A plus. I will say that Cliffs' sponsorship is gigantic. It is big as hell. It is ginormous. Guess who's fault that is? Adam Silver. Why do they make him so big? I don't, I don't know.

Negotiate statistics, man, it's what's needed for extra dollars. You're probably right. Yeah, they probably do, they have some people in a board room being annoying back and forth. I think we do three pixels bigger to the right. And that's like a $200,000 year difference.

Bigger than Nike? You are not bigger than the program. Oh, and they have the old Nike logo to go with it too. That's fine. Oh, that's a perfect detail 10 out of 10, 8 plus. I didn't even notice that.

Memphis Grizzlies They wore these last night In game one They did Which is also Should be That should be outlaw Why are we starting

The season off With these with these Throwback If you don't put the white jersey On at home To start the season Oh my gosh What are we doing here?

You're one of those We're losing recipes Okay We're losing recipes However it is beautiful I don't think it's beautiful No I actually really like it I like it good enough

It's fine It's cool to bring back Not as good as the rest of them I think I think it's a solid C plus Fuck no, C plus B minus maybe No

That's too much Oh yeah too much No My bad That's too little Oh I don't know I mean Are we give everything

In A I think it's not One of the better ones It's not one of the It's not like It's the worst one How's how I'll say that There's five here

It's the worst one I have to see the other ones Yeah But right now I'm going I'm going B plus Yeah I agree B plus

It could be an A But there's no Brazil It's not like that Just the big ass Memphis That's it Yeah I don't think

It's iconic like the other ones. It's cool to bring back because they brought back the iconic one already. So this is like the second tier iconic jersey. So it's fine. If this was in the league today, it wouldn't be one of my favorite jerseys. It'd be just a run-of-the-mill one. Yeah, probably, but I do like how bold the Memphis is. I like the teal block on the side. Yeah. It's okay. So I'll go through plus. I agree. It's okay. That's a C-plus jersey. Dallas Mavericks. Hard. The green, this looks better today than I did back then. With this modern cut, that green is vibrant.

And you know why? Because the team is better. If they sucked, if the Utah Jazz we were wearing this, we'd probably be like, or if the Washington Wizards were wearing this, we'd be like, I. I don't know if you guys can really pull this off here. That being said, the green is nice. The rest is fine. I think it's a B.

It's a cool jersey. It's a good jersey. It's a B. It's not too crazy at all. Like, it's, I like the. I wish the, the font is a little bit too minimal. The numbers.

The blue, I wish it was a little bit bolder, a little bit bigger line on the blue in the middle. It's a little bit like too, like white. You know what I mean? it's a little too soft I'll go C plus I think I actually like the Memphis ones more than this one I like the Memphis ones more

I didn't want to give a bunch of C's I like them equal I think they're both fine yeah this one this one is a C the Memphis one is a B plus for me damn standards are high okay I understand it now 100% these are throwback jerseys and again to get an A plus I think you have to bring back a jerse that I deem to be iconic or I deem to be like one of the nicer jerseys this is one of the

jerseys of all time okay it's just old it's just nostalgic yeah and it's nice because the Mavericks's like their current jerseys also suck so yeah next up minnesota timberwolves we brought back the trees ah a plus a plus a plus this is this is number one for me i don't i don't really know what i don't know what's coming next this is the top spot this is one of my favorite jergers of all time they finally brought it back it looks just as good as i remembered it it works with the modern cut the font is still memorable is still creative the the uh the trees is still unique still pops on

the black this is a perfect jersey this jersey just again stands to all of time bro no matter what it has a lot of attitude to with the fucking color balance between the black and the green and i don't where the trees at i didn't see the trees look at the color the green oh it's the color of trees gotcha no no it's their trees they're bunch of small trees oh i didn't see that okay yeah they're a bunch of pine trees. That's fucking crazy. They look like little green arrows. They're trees.

Wow. They are not playing for it this year. They are not. They never have been. Wars outrageous. And the sezzle, whatever that is, doesn't ruin it for me. It's a nice, low-key sponsorship. Still big, but it's, it blends in better.

I fuck with it, man. This is the best one so far. Okay. 10 out of 10. Listen, also, you're putting it on Anthony Edwards and Jay McDaniels. Man, you can put it on Jordan McLaughlin. Like, this is still an A plus. You picked the most oralist player you could do them?

I know. You can put on a small ball. God, I still like it. Philadelphia 76ers bringing back to Alan Iverson era. Fuck, this is so tough. I think we have our third A. I think this is once again an elite jersey.

I think they're going three for three on the great ones. Dude, so far, this is, this might be the best jersey now, man. I don't know. I think I like the Minnesota one a little bit more, but this is damn close. The level of detail to this and how creative they are, man. And it works.

Like, it lends itself so well. well so modern jersey and it's like the creativity you don't have to make you it doesn't make me think about or it doesn't make me look about look for details at all like how much that red trim pops no granted it's just good color grading on the photo shoot maybe that's part of it but that shit is vibrant dude's elite should they should they make this the primary no I think it looks old I think it looks like a 2000 jersey so it's a cool throwback but it's it looks dated I think if it was your current jersey you'd be a little unfitting how do we feel about the crypto.com sponsorship subtle

ish yeah it doesn't take away any or much too much let me say that it don't wait yeah it don't it don't take away

too much I pop with it a plus does it bother you to see Paul George in it I see you mulling over something I don't know something just feels off

like maybe it's not maybe it's not baggy enough right maybe I just remember it being like triple Xcel but I'm not I'm not sure but it still is great but I don't know something's missing that little

that little sprinkle but I'll go A still Not enough cornrows You're right Damn sure not enough tattoos You know there's not enough headbands That is You're right There's not a single headband

That's what's missing It's the headband God knows there's not enough crossovers It's the headband Yep It's not enough Pepe Sanchez Ew Now that is all five

They brought back this year So you guys have graded them We have three A's and a B minus And a C is two middling ones three elite ones right now I want you to rank them all one through five okay I feel like we can start off

put the Mabs in five for sure I like the Mazz a little more than Memphis Grizzlies but to me those are four and five I don't really care which order you do yeah I think the Mavs are five Grizzlies are four easily so that's not really a debate right those two are just are what they are

yeah fair enough is there anything that stands out as one two and three that has to be there for me personally again the I don't like the outline of color blocks for the Cleveland Cavaliers jersey, so that might be three for me. The blue and the red, like the color scheme, those are the strongest colors.

I think I might like that more than the Sixers. So I think, so my top three for me, I think I would go Minnesota, Cleveland, Philly. Okay, so. Do you want to go Minnesota number one? Does that, does that one, is that the best one or is Anthony Edwards tax for him being the coolest one in this picture? It's Anthony Edwards tax and who cares about it too? You'll accept the Anthony Edwards tax

You'll let the glaze flow through you It is what it is man We all live in an economy You gotta be like good Samariters And take part into it In a glaze economy? Yeah We gotta do our part

Some people are government mandated Glaze Some people get glazed Some people give glaze You all play our part You don't fuck with it Go to hell Take to the city officials

Not me I think we can go Timberwell's number one I'm agreeing with it Fair? Okay Now sixers versus calves These are both beautiful one of them when I see it I think of LeBron the other one

I'm looking at Paul George And so just You can't think of AI Just good Paul George is literally on the screen Okay okay fair I think the Cleveland Cavaliers is a better design The Sixers has more nostalgia

I lean towards the better design The better colors in the Cavs maybe See I think the universe is that I think the Really? Yeah I just see what LeBron, like 2006, Brown would have him ban on, and I just think of like

the ore and the fucking past things. Everybody else sees the Sixers one and just sees Alan Iverson and they remember their childhood and they remember like the Rattitooie scene where they flashed back through their lives. That's where everyone loves it. I think the self-thous, I think the calves one looks nicer. I think I'd rather have the Cavs at three. Let's go Cavs at two.

Ah, I get fuck, I'll put it in. Yeah, take that to your glaze economy. The recession. Too much glaze. There we go. Timberwolves one. Cavs two. Sixers.

Three, Minnesota. The bubble's going to pop. The glazed bubbles are going to pop. The glazed bubbles are going to come. It's going to be gay, glaze, everywhere. Grizzies at 4. I almost said Celtics. I saw Kyrie and Green, and my brain just fucking short-circuited.

Mavericks at 5. A strong year of Thoroughby jersey. I hope to do this every year with five new ones. Next week, I think we began the city jerseys. I think they'll all be out. TD3 tradition. I think, yep, I think we would do another tradition. It's like Christmas.

It really does. I really, my content brain starts fucking salivating when I see that. Dude, hell, yeah. Okay, next thing we're going to do. Okay, we're going to go back to hoopgoat.com. The website we haven't been on in quite a while. They added a new game. A blind ranking for NBA duos.

So we're going to go on there and see what's up with it, see how good it is, see if it's an all-time duos or what. I have no idea what to expect here. But we're here. We have six NBA duos to blind rank. We can see how good we can do. Starting off with Alan Iverson and Carmelo Anthony. unfortunately they do have to be towards the bottom either five or six because even even the

version of like mellow that was winning that wasn't with iverson it was with tonti billis yeah we can go six my bad is he nasty man though we can go six assuming these are all good or we can go five in case we expect one troll pick in here let's yeah let's make in a troll pick okay i'm fine with that we'll go five just in case there's like cow kuzma and lanzo or something Davis and Flag Five. They play together for one game

and they lost. Oh my bad. Six. They literally never won. Six. Do you want to bake in like what we expect? No.

Okay, just six. Yeah, you all. Anti Davis decides to play the four position fucking up your career, your early career, Cooper Flagg.

Yeah, your career is a bit dramatic. He's ruining him. So reaction. We can go six. They never want a game together as of October 23rd. And you're not wrong.

Will Chamberlain and Yokitch. Whoa. Okay, we're putting people together Now we're in Fantasyland I guess this is one Fuck, what are you talking about? The greatest duo of all time Yeah apparently

One, sure, why not? Curry and Green Two Two, two, the best duo that's actually existed in reality Wold double champions change the course of history Wagner and Ben Carroll

Sounds like a Ford. Yeah, everything's falling in a place Why is Chamberlain a Yonka's on here? Why did this happen? This is hilarious That's the troll peak And then Williams and Shea and you know what that slots in perfectly fine

yo this is perfect actually I think we did the exactly right job yeah look at us our score is 79 out of 100 what how are they ranking oh I think they expect Anthony and Iverson over

Wagner and Bencaro I guess and they probably maybe they expect Davis and flag over Anthony and Iverson hell nah hell not I mean eventually maybe but thus far I don't know I think Iverson didn't do

jack shit together so it's not like it's a high bar. Yeah, I guess. I like this stuff. We did good, though. My bucks is a hundred out of a hundred. What the hell did Chamberlain and Yolkich come? They're just dreaming. What's going on here? Why do we do this? That's funny. I like that hoop. Okay. Chamberlain and Yokich, man. What a duo. I missed them together.

Okay. We got to talk about who are the most unique players in NBA history at every single position? Oh, yeah. So, actually, we'll take that. Never mind. Next thing we're going to do. We're going to do the forehead game. But this time we're going to do it the same way we always do where we guess a forehead player based on our headbands.

But we can only ask questions not about basketball. Okay. Not about basketball. So you guys have to try to decipher what you're looking at with questions relating to anything else besides the sport. Gotcha. Okay. You have to get really creative and this is based off of not your ball knowledge, but off-court knowledge. And I genuinely think you drive at this.

your game. Maybe, but I can also see my question is just going everywhere. Look, that I wouldn't even look and I so caught it. Stickies. Put me on my hands team. Stickies. Sticky. Okay. Let me put my headband on. I got it on me. Now, I mean, flip these all over, get upside down. Okay.

So, draw a player. Am I facing the right way? Yes. Put it in your hats. Okay. There you guys go. minimize the screen so I can't see Oh yeah, you're good You got the right way

There you go Yeah Okay we're currently Loading up our foreheads This is bad radio You're good Yep, you are good

So putting it on No I didn't see him Isn't fit There we go We go So we all got our players On our heads

Three players here Can't ask about Basketball Whoa Get that head in check Whoa You got to get your dome in order All right

There you go Safe and secure Okay Does my player have a career That's not basketball No No Okay

Has my player played Or been a part of media Actually I can't phrase that Because I ask my basketball My bad Does my player have a second career No No

Has that player been a part of media Uh yes He's been a part of media At some point Okay black black okay

you can ask that yes your player's black that's a good question okay is my player black yes okay okay does my player

have a deep a deep portfolio off of the court when it comes to sponsorships what the hell is he pocket

not particularly not particularly not like Shaq no Okay, that was my. The Shack. It's okay. Not like Shack. No.

Would you want to hang out with my player? Right now, yeah. No. Why would you want to hang out with him? I don't want to get any details, but yes, I would like to hang out with him right now. Okay. It's my player African. No.

I mean, but okay. Okay. Does my, is my player... African? No. I mean, probably. No. Actually, yeah, is my player white?

Yes. Ooh. You saved me. Okay. Who do you want to hang out with, but like not really? I don't know. It's a difference of opinion. So, like, he's not, it's not like.

I understand you. I understand you. Got some shit to address. Yeah. Would you consider, would you consider my player a nerd? No. I don't think so. No.

I don't think anybody would describe him that way. So my player doesn't have a second career. He's black but not African. I have not asked very good questions. I don't know anything about this guy. Is my... Wait, fish the thing, he's about to... Is it about the fall?

Yeah. Oops. Are we good? Yeah. Look at him. Your hair... You have like a bang right now. That's so funny.

Oh, you're so beautiful. Is I'll split? Do you think my player is the most handsome person in his... friend group. No. No. Okay. He's hit. Okay. Okay. No. No consideration. Okay. My player is white. Been a part of media, but doesn't necessarily paper chase or get to the bag. Not well, at least. Okay. Huh. Is my player?

Hmm. Is he over 30? Yes. Okay. All right. So I said, over 30. Black, not a nerd.

You would want to hang out with him. Is he the group leader? No. No. No, I don't think so. So is my player under 30? No. I got an old,

I go. Oh, I go. Okay. He said he's, it not the group leader is my he's got the follower

is my player damn this is hard okay does my player damn non basketball questions come on okay

does you have a beard no no no okay is my player under 40 he is under 40 Is my player respected by his peers? Yes.

Okay. Respected by the peers. I'll go over 30 respected by his peers. I think I got it. Okay. I think I got it. Is my player? Six, five, and over?

No. Ooh. The pool just got. You can close to basketball related. Is this Kyrie? That is not Kyrie Irving. That would have been a good pick for a non-group leader. Just identifying people just, yeah, it's important to see how tall your suspect is.

Okay. Is it Kevin Durant? No. Damn, I thought that was Kevin. Okay. Is my player still making his bulk source of income? I don't know. What do you mean?

That's a roundabout way of asking if he's still in the league. That's too close. That's too close to basketball questions. Is he, you never know. People have second ventures. He could be LeBron. Ask another question. You guys are not good, man.

You're getting sneaky. Also, that's just a weird question. I don't know. What do you mean? Okay. I'm not pocket chasing. I'm pocket watching. See, that's you guys a problem.

Okay, cool. Whatever. Is my player Luca Dantzic? No, fuck. He's over 30. Does my player host a podcast? No.

Does my, has my player ever hosted a podcast? No. Damn. Over 30, never been a podcast. Never. In his life. This must be an old.

I'm not so. Very geriatric. I know. Okay. Oh, wait a minute. Does my player... Huh. Is this Dirk-Newski?

Nope, not Dirk. Is my player over... Is he over 25? He is over 25. Is this Kareem? No. No. Okay.

What other question is going to ask? Between 25 and 40? Personal life. Has this player lived in the West. coast for most of his career? Yes. Is that too adjacent to the basketball?

Yes, but I already said yes. All right. I don't like you questions, man. Yeah, you're a teacher. You're not. You're just a career. You asked about his career. That's fucked up.

Whatever I said yes. Just by where he's losing, man. Okay. You're a liar. Okay, so is, um, see, this is, this is so hard. Yeah, it is.

Yeah, because I have, I have no idea. what what uh questions to fall back on but i would i will ask is my is my player um is he like popular on uh advertisements no he's notable in advertisements he's notable in advertisements he's notable in the advertising world but not yeah but not common not not he doesn't do a lot of it yeah no i just think for a loop that has nothing for you but it's the truth is it tim duckin I knew it was an old who doesn't be talking because you said no he's never done a podcast cheater I don't know how but you cheated all right Sean the dark is this Steve Nash that is Steve Nash kill myself

you know that is Kauai that's Kauai kill me now how don't it all get at the same time oh my God that's crazy yeah like listen there's one very popular advertisement or lack there of that was funny so when you ask what do you want to like hang around him or whatever. I said, no, you said, yeah. He's got some shit to address. I want to find out. He'll cheat you how to get a toolback.

I got some questions. That's fucking hilarious. Okay, next thing, last thing we're going to do. Earlier we did the Wemby Glac thing where we talked about the Wemby of every era and you wanted to make it who's the most unique player instead of who's closer to Wemby. So now we're going to throw you that bone. We're going to pick the most unique player in NBA history at every position.

The most unique player in NBA. So point guard through center. The most unique player is somebody that there's never in. And we can be, we can be a different. with this right it doesn't have to be just unique like the best legend ever nobody's ever been as good as him of course these guys are unique so we can get a style of play body type whatever that may mean we can get goofy with the shit let's do it point guard mugsie boggsie oh i literally wrote mugsy bugs i was like nobody's ever been that small

nobody will ever be that small again no you're right five three no there's a better chance somebody shoots like step curry or six nine and passes like magic than there is that somebody will be that small five three in that and had a long career it wasn't it wasn't just like oh you played two games like how like fun trivia he's he had a career we might get a 10 foot player before we get another five three guys a 10 year career and you're not crazy for saying that at all they keep growing we were getting there shooting guard i think we can go nate robinson go another small guy that just will not exist to be that small and that bouncy is insane no i can i can i don't okay we already we don't want small we don't got

we don't got to filter too many smalls yeah we're just making the smallest thing which that loki small and big I think Andre Roberson is the last of his breed it's been years since we've seen someone

like that it's never happening again but there was a thousand before Andre Robeson there was but he was the last of his room but okay but I mean even in this era

like if you said like Matisse Stibor or something like that Jared Vanderbiltz there's guys who can't play defense and can't shoot okay again isn't a shooting guard Jason Williams

no white boys ever had that much flare we've never seen a whiteness to sauce ratio quite like that and the sauce is it's a long lasting sauce and he really never got lost in it either he really he could have he could have and he still has it and he still really like stirring the sauce because that's his team people who cook they actually know you got to let the sauce simmer for a long time

and he knows the importance of sauce and that's something if you cook you know the importance of a good sauce exactly this guy's a low key That's how you do it That's how you do it Do you be like Jason Williams on this list Do you go somewhere else? Shooting guard is the hardest one For me to find unique players

Yeah They're all like so duplicative When it comes to certain skill sets So it's like how can you Do you have anybody that you think Fits the shooting guard label That deserves to be on there better? So okay

Well I think of Of shooting guard Honestly It's just because it's not gonna happen anymore And a lot of people A lot of people did Play like him also But like

Like a rip hand where like you're you're just never going to see anybody run around for mid-range jumpers like that he's up there for sure because even back then there's always a mid-range jumpers not to that degree where that's always focusing on not a single three-pointer we could go rip hamilton if we don't want to cheat and put jason williams also nobody is not plus plus nobody wears face masks like consistently anymore unique look yeah that is true it only happens when you actually break your face he's stuck with it yeah and that is a very singular look okay you decide rip pamilton or jason or jason Let's go Rip Hamilton. Okay. Sorry, Jason. Small forward. We can go Kevin Durant's. Obviously, LeBron's unique.

Now, we've seen duplicates of Kevin Durant. My question is, have we ever seen a duplicate of Kyle Anderson? Has there ever been to me that motherfucking slow? Oh, and still, like that unpredictably? Answer me that. Are you more likely to see another Kevin Durant or another Kyle Anderson? These are real questions. This is discourse that needs to be had, and you guys better make a decision that I like.

What a carefully asked question? I will also accept Andre Kirillinko if you want to get nerdy. Sean Mary? Okay, in terms of what? Like a goofy jumper? Nah, we'll forever see goofy jumpers. But also, like, just on the court,

Sean Mareg also had, like, all the versatility and everything like that. And he had the weird jumper that probably puts him over the top of AK-47. Yeah. Is the answer Kevin Rand? I think we just go, Katie, can keep pushing. Probably.

We also have to get one good player. Okay, Kevin Rance. Power forward. Obviously, no one's ever done a shit like Janus. moving like that. We kind of said Baby Shack earlier, so maybe Yonis is kind of... Too similar, young Shack?

I mean, kind of. Okay. To me, it's got to be Dremont Green or Dennis Rodman. To me, it's probably Draymond Green. To beat that level of defender, undersized defender, while also being an elite passer and a good enough shooter

and also being insane in the membrane and being able to beat the shit out of people. Like, nobody's ever combined all those factors into being one unique individual that'll never exist again. Being an elite to big man defender and also an elite pass or two and an elite guard defender to some extent

he could switch out when he was young yeah along those lines Charles Barkley Zion yes but Barclay is just a better player and like sure but it's I think Jeremiah's more unique

then to have that like have we've seen obviously no one's exactly we've seen slashes that like Dominate with slashing and rebounding I don't know like it's a little more versions of all these players but I think

have we seen a version of Draymont I mean, Dennis is just insane That's the similarities there And being good at defense But they're very different Yeah, too I can go Dennis We can go Dennis too

No one's ever been a character like that That's that focus on rebounding While being that small Yeah, because they're both They're both like 6-8 maximum Not even, they're both like 6'6. I think I'd rather go Dennis Because also off the court too

No one will ever put that shit on like he did Ever Especially not in the places he put it on in the countries he put it on we can go Dennis Robin I guess in the zones he put it off Center we get real phone with this

I don't think we can we absolutely can I think we just go Victor Roman Yama can I introduce you see it's a young boy that they don't know Ralph Samson was doing it back in 1984 7-5 had a jumper had everything

I think we've never seen someone like would be we probably never will again we're the second he walked in the league we're like yep that's the most unique player of all time she's done nothing but further prove it it's probably wouldn't be we were saying this when he was like 17 fry and rudy go there he was not even 17 he was 16 doing that bro and everyone's like yo is this gonna like is this actually gonna happen yes there you go so we got to recap mugs mugs rip hamilton kevin durantz dennis rodman and richie woman yama two see C with Mugsy Bugs.

Listen, Kee. Muggs, I mean, Wembe is so it don't matter, I guess. Wemby and Katie on the same team. We could have seen that. Is that enough height to make up from 5-3? Dennis, Dennis, Robbman, a front court with K.D., Dennis Robman, and Wemby. Defense is great on that front. Again, you're picking on Mugsy.

That's what it's two-s-s-no. No, Dennis is going to threaten to kill people who threatens Mugsy. Even better. We don't got to worry about Mugsy at all. Bet, one-C, like, champion. Okay. Okay. People are still here.

At the end of this episode, what should they comment? Comment, I love basketball! Specifically, specifically in Ron our Test voice. Don't just type that out. Do your best to make it look like Ronn Test said it. Dude, he said something like that before? Yeah, he won a championship. I love basketball.

Oh, I don't remember that clip at all. Yeah, I think that's after you want a championship, right? I think so. Maybe not. Maybe he decides it at some point. But at some point, he loved basketball and screamed about it. Yeah, the only thing I remember after that chip was he was like, could he pass me to ball?

Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, it's a clip of it. I don't remember when he said it actually. He went, I love basketball. And with that being said, we'll see y'all next week. NBA is back. We're back. Everyday videos. We're here. Every day NFL videos aren't going anywhere. Well, not every day. Once a week, main episodes, three times a week clips. Everyday shorts. Still here on Housecall. Check us out on both channels. And we'll see you on next week. Content.