The Deep 3 Podcast - We Picked Every NBA Team's GOAT (Pt. 1) | Ep. 54

Episode Date: September 15, 2023

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All right, y'all. We are once again in the deadest part of the NBA offseason. Football just started. No one gives a damn about the NBA, but we're here for content. And today, since there's nothing to talk about, we're throwing it back. We're going to talk about every NBA team in the league. That's crazy. Sorry.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're going to talk about every NBA team and who their franchise goat is. We're going to have the debates. Who is the best player in this team's history? Definitively, it's going to be a combination of who's the game. best player who accomplished the most, who has the best vibes, the most influence, all of it. Today we're going to start off by doing the Western Conference. Next week's going to be the Eastern. So the title says every player. Give us two weeks and we'll get there.

Oh, man. This is going to be a very interesting episode because there's tons of highs, but the lowest of the lows are the lowest things ever. Yeah, there's going to be some nasty debates. It's going to be gross. I love it, but I can't wait. I cannot wait. This is what we live for, moments like this. We're on the same wavelength. Yeah, man If you're listening

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Keep us moving up the algorithm And yeah man Let's get into these list Let the mid begin Who's the first team up Who is the greatest player In the Phoenix Sun's history I can't believe

I have to say this, but is it Steve Nash? It feels so wrong saying that. I don't think it's Steve Nash. I don't. What do you think it is? I think it's Charles Barkley. I think, I think Charles Barkley also got an MVP. Steve Nash has two MVPs. One of them was fraudulent, right? I don't care who you give it to. You can give it to Kobe. You can give it to Shaq. You can give it to whoever. It just can't go to Steve Nash. And so I will live my life thinking that Steve Nash only has one MVP so in my mind him and chuck are tied and charles parkly took that franchise to a finals and stevenash never did that i think when i look at the seven second or less sons that entire era is very like revolutionary because of the way that they play basketball

but as a team that period of sun's basketball is very disappointing they were they were never able to get over the hump they were never able to go and get and get to the finals he needs to even though that Charles Barkley never won a championship, he was, you know, up until Devin Booker and Chris Paul, he was the only one who took him there. So I'm going to give him that credit.

I don't think that franchise has like a lot to like to work with. And the winning on his side is going to be the tiebreaker for me. I think one for four years. Yeah, that's true. Four years is not a long time. We're talking about the Phoenix Suns. This is not some storied franchise. one of the original eight they're they're cool they're playing like the mountain time zone which

everybody forgets about it again what success do this does like the sun franchise have what's the standard that we're looking at and it's really just between these two people so I'm going to take the guy who took them to a finals I mean Devin Booker took him to a finals like if that's the deciding factor like he's the same resume as Charles Barkley without an MVP yeah yeah true true I mean that's safe same resume I feel like we have to go Steve Nash I feel like I'm leaning more towards Mo Side I know we like to crap on that second MVP

The whole NBA world doesn't respect it I live in reality He has two MVPs He played there almost twice as long I get This is not He has one His one

He almost doubles up his all-star appearances He doubles up his MVP's I don't think the finals run alone Can sway me when Charles' best years weren't there I just feel like it's, like at that point is KD, the greatest net? Yeah, exactly. That's what we have to talk about.

If we're, yeah, exactly, we can't be up here and say Katie is the greatest net or LeBron is the greatest Laker or the greatest Nike or that's not, that's not, like, we just can't talk about that because that's disrespectful to the history. Then again, there's no Kobe on the suns. How are those comparisons even like people? Yeah, there's no Kobe on the sons. no no but even like lebrons like charles barclay won an MVP while playing for the sons Kevin durant never did never won an MVP playing for the nets they never made it they never made

the finals lebron lebron lebron has the most he has the biggest argument out of that entire conversation because he won a championship but he never won he like his clear best years weren't with the lakers you can make an argument that charles barclay's best year of his career best years with with uh best years of his career are with the sons because of that MVP and I just don't think that that's the same for the other two yeah I just can't get past the four years thing it's hard for me to call somebody a franchise goat when they were there for such a small amount of time you know yeah like that's I feel like longevity matters a lot when talking about the best player in a franchise of the history there's two errors though that we talk about with that

entire team and it's it's Steve Nash's and it's charles barkley and again when you look back at that like that entire era of the NBA on is really defined by this like dead ball era everybody scoring 69 points in a finals game like nobody's nobody's able to score nasty it's it's really really nasty basketball and now you come with this truly revolutionary style and this back-to-back MVP and somebody who's playing basketball the way that they the way they were playing it in 2023 they're literally 15 years ahead of everybody ahead of them and they're not able to get to a finals and so for me when I look at that it's like you really really underperformed because you're playing not only like you're you're playing with the math on your side and nobody else

was even thinking to play like that and we've seen the evolution of the game we've seen how it's made teams better we've seen how how it's made offense is better and so are you discrediting that Are you discrediting Nash for that? The whole team. I think the whole team in that whole era has to, like you have to give them their credit because of the stuff that they pioneered. But when it comes to winning and results and how we look back at that, the ultimate goal of the game is to win championships. And you guys didn't do that. And they were always losing to teams like you lost to a Dirk who didn't, we've talked before.

Dirk didn't have like, you know, Hall of Fame teams around him. and then you lost to the spurs and like I'll give you that but they were they were very clear moments where they could have gotten your death well that's a great two-time MVP five-time assist champ in seven years that's a great tangent that you went on

Donovan but guess what you're out voided the story of his life last two podcasts you know Donovan great points don't care when I go silent for 15 minutes you guys know why

you're a little bit disassociate No, I get it Charles is If you want to say Charles Is overall the better player Like just peak for peak I understand But I think we have a habit

Of underrating Nash Over the past few years Because the narrative is like Oh, he stole Kobe's MVP He was still like It's not like he had a bad season They didn't give it to a scrub You know

He was still one of the best Offensive players in the league Five-time assist champion In the eight years he was with them Truly one of the best playmakers Of all time Hyper-efficient shooter was very similar to the way we talk about Chris Paul

where he can be the engine of an offense without necessarily being the biggest scoring threat that applies to Nash as well everyone always said that he should have shot more because he was that good of a score and that was his biggest knock because he wasn't aggressive enough yet he was still driving offense at the highest level

I don't think that simply making it to a finals if Chuck would have won sure I'd understood it but just making it doesn't outweigh that longevity plus the second MVP for me so again it's not like it's a powerhouse thing with Nash, but I think it has to be in just a little bit.

How many times did they make the conference final? Let me look this up. How many times do they make the conference finals in that, in that span? Because, you know, like, if it's, if it's something substantial, then I can, I can kind of see it if you're, like, legitimately having consistent success. They made the conference finals in 04 and 05 and then losing the semis and, okay, so there's about, it's like, it's like, it's, kind of split in that like four year run where they were at their peak and you have Dan Tony as their coach two years in the conference finals semi's first round and then things kind of they they go yeah they go in a different direction so yeah I mean I guess here's a question

before we get to the rest of these teams okay we're going Nash here we'll get off this team to move on to the next one how much are we valuing individual production versus winning with the franchise I think you have to do a little bit of both I think the best the most fruitful way will have this conversation is having, or valuing both of these things equally, you know, we can't lean too much heavily on one side. Now, trust me, with that being said, though, like, there are, like, certain, there are certain teams where you kind of have to, because things are just that bleak. But for the most part, I think, like, most NBA teams, we can have a pretty balanced argument

between both. Yeah. I think, I think we're really just, it really just depends on the standard that the franchise is set. So, like, when we, so, like, when we get to teams, like, the South. politics in the Lakers and they have the most rings in the league, winning is going to matter a lot because everybody in that franchise history has won. True. But if we're talking about like the Minnesota Timberwolves and they, you know, they throw a parade for a playing a playing game, then, hey, if you had two

good seasons, like Jimmy Butler, hey, listen, man, you might be top five. Jimmy Butler is on like the all-time Timberwolves team in 2K. Like that's how, that's how bad that they're that's hilarious. That's fucking hilarious. Okay, before we move on from the Suns, We're going Nashville and Barclay 2. Are we putting, low-key, is Devin Booker 3? Think about that. He was, was he like,

he was top five in MVP ballot, like two years ago, right? Or was that last season? I think that was last season. He was. It was the year that was the year that he made the finals. God, that's crazy.

And he's the best shooting guard in the NBA. How many players that play for that team have been the best player at their position? That is true. I think he might. Which maybe it's just because shooting guards weak right now and Hardin fell off.

because of injuries so maybe it's maybe it's not as impressive as like being the best point guard right now would be but it's early because Devin Booker's only been elite for a few years but I think it's pretty easy to say when he finishes his career he'll probably be third I mean he really hasn't he's been in the league for almost a decade now

yeah it's like year seven but he's only been elite for like three or four years you know it took him a little bit to get there yeah so this so what it's a three year run for Devin Booker um I'm comfortable with saying that seeing with the way he evolved his game tremendously in literally every aspect and building upon like, you know, being an elite shooter, growing from that, doing stuff off the ball, of course, having more responsibilities,

staying ten toes down while your fucking organization surrounds you with Dragon Bender and the corpse of Jared Dudley. Dragon Bender. So it's like Marquis, Chris. Who would be fair besides him? Fucking Dan Marley? Like, who's the competition? Who is that?

That sounds like a character from Bob's Burger. I don't know who that is. Dan Marley played there in the early 90s I don't know who that is bro Yeah let's deep look you got it Nice Let's move on We always have a habit of spending a ton of time

On the first few teams And then slowly try to speed up as we go To make up for it But the Sons are one of the better debates Because that's a It's a good stylistic debate there And what you value Because I think when you're new

All-time rankings Barkley's higher But it's because of stuff he did Outside of those four years of the Sons So it's tricky Yeah let's go to the next team what about the Sacramento Kings

who is the Sacramento Kings goat you have to go pre-MBA merger for this exactly but it's Oscar Robertson yeah yeah like that's okay I think but if we if we want to go

post post merger kind of like modern kings type stuff what are we thinking like Chris Weber oh my god that's so bleak is that where we're at Is that where we're at with the Kings?

Tiny Knit Ultra Archibald. They spent almost 20 years outside of the playoffs. There's been nobody on that. We will see you soon. Who was on the Kings in the 80s? I don't even know a single Kings player from the 80s. This franchise is awful. I don't know.

I can't think of a single Kings team from the 80s. This is baffling. What do we? What? Dude, who? I got to live. look this up. How were they still in Sacramento? How is that team, bro? How's that team not moved?

Them fans are deep. They had Mitch Richmond. True. Chris Weber is obviously up there. So, okay, so the answers as Oscar Robertson. So that's clearly number one. Well, now we're just trying to see who else they have in the conversation because this is crazy. Who is on the team in the 80s? I'm going crazy trying to think of somebody. I have no idea. Bro, D. Aaron Fox might be 3 is what you're telling me right now. God no I guess Mitch

Richmond's three I mean Or Nate Archibald If we're gonna continue It pre-merger stuff So what are we doing So well Are we gonna go

Okay so we'll go Oscar Robertson at one And then just The entire starting fire From the 2000s king Vladit Demock number three Yeah We can put him there

Then Deeran and de Manis And then we're throwing somebody else Gross Yeah and look at this list The kill pulled up Chris Weber to Mitch Richmond three

That's what I said That's probably realistically what it is Is that one of the weakest top threes in NBA history Like obviously Big O is Big O Top 20 player at all time We have not recent Los Angeles Clippers yet, bro Bro The Clippers at least have

CP3 Kauai and PG PG Claremont Richmond Bro Listen As a clip If you have Oscar Robertson If you have a player

That's like top 20 all time You can't be the weakest Yeah They're up there though There's, I, I, when we do our episode next week, next week's episode is going to have the weakest top, top five, top three that, that we talk about. It's the kings, listen, the kings are fighting, right? They're making a good push.

They have a case. They do, but they're not the worst. Okay. Well, let's move on from the Kings. That one's easy. Oscar Robertson. Some of these are going to be easy to fly through. Next one I have written down, not going to be an easy one.

The Los Angeles Lakers. Who is the greatest Laker of all time? No, that's, that's the, there's like two answers that you can have and you miss both of them. I miss both of them. You're, you know what? You're actually right because I have to factor in his totality with the organization. And you do have to say, you throw Kobe in there. You have to throw in magic in there.

And I, and I agree with you on that. That's a bad tracking. Yeah, that's a debate. Are you going, are you going magic for what he did in the 80s, showtime? the one of the greatest teams of all time the peak is insane or Kobe longevity two championship windows

you can't really argue he's a better player than magic it would mostly just be influence length of time and the fact that he did it with two different eras which way are you guys leaning I'm leaning Kobe

okay so everybody says this now that he's the greatest Laker is he actually I felt that I felt that way prior to his death I think for him I think like when you are talking

about a franchise and it's like the fact that he had two championship windows is what I think puts him over the edge and magic just and magic like low kick almost had that because he gets like they get to the finals in 91 but the fact that that would have been very similar if he would have pulled it off yeah but the fact that they that they're able to get that three Pete go through that whole you know three year run with shack's not there he still has amazing years and then they come back and you see like this evolution to Kobe and they still get two more rings after that that's ups and downs in a franchise and with an entire generation or two of fans.

And so that's why I give COVID the knot. Yeah, and it's also that he went back to back the second time. Like winning back to back championships as difficult as is, a lot of great teams can't do it. The fact that he did that twice with very different teams and very different stages of his career, that's the best argument. But then again, Magic matches the level of success.

Just because he did it in a shorter amount of time doesn't mean it's less impressive. Yeah. We all agree he's the better player all time. Most people don't rank Kobe, but head of magic, at least people that are aligned to a consensus. Obviously, some people were like Kobe's number three.

The majority people don't do that. And none of us did that in our rankings episode. So if we all agree that Magic's the better player, Magic had the same success, clearly has the higher peak. But why does... There's things, I'll tell you why. There's things outside of basketball,

which is, like you said earlier, influence that just matters and the way you make fans feel for a certain amount of time just fucking matters bro through the trenches through the mud the highs the lows and the whole not just fucking matters bro

you know I agree with you but man last when we did all time rankings we're talking about Steph Curry does he have a run to opportunity to be the greatest point guard of all time Donovan not a Lakers fan said but he's not the magic man clearly this guy is fucking influence and make me feel a way too.

He's not magic. I love magic. I'm a big, I'm a big magic guy. I, but like, and even though that magic did come in at like 20, Kobe,

Kobe got there as a teenager. And I think the fact, and it's a two year difference, but I think the fact that they saw him from 18 to 38 and legitimately saw him, like, grow up there for 20 years and like have a family and do all this stuff,

I think that they feel, a, you know, a certain type of attachment to them that you don't get. We're also not rating the fan favorite goat. You know what I mean? It's not just like the most popular player. I mean, to be honest, this, that's a part of the conversation too. It genuinely is. It is.

It is. I hate to say that. I don't think it should be for this conversation. I don't think it should be either, but. No, I, I, universally it is. I think it should, though. I think, I think, I think a lot of times there will be correlation. so a lot of times there will be a reason why

but I think this specifically is one where that's not necessarily aligned with the reasons that we should be picking a goat, you know what I mean? This is an outlier situation. But if you have two guys... Yeah, Kobe's definitely an outlier. If you have two guys who are in the top 10 all time for a lot of people, the margins are razor, razor thin

and we're talking about a specific franchise. So that's why I think it's okay. Like if we were doing, if this was our top, you know, our top 30, top 50, all-time rankings, then yeah, like the fan favorite stuff shouldn't matter. But we're talking about the Lakers, so the fans do matter here. Okay. Okay.

I guess this is the only, this is the only one of these arguments where fan favorites fucking matters. We're never going to see this pop up again, so I guess it's fine. No, we probably want to. We probably will. It won't be as sticky of a conversation, but we will. This is definitely the instance where it matters the most

because it's Kobe and he's the most top three most famous player of all time, most loved player in a franchise of history, probably. Easily. I don't know. So, Mo,

are you still going magic or are you swayed? I think I'm swayed by the influence of Kobe for sure. All right. I guess I ruin Kobe Bryant. I'm alone

on the Magic Hill, which I don't even know if I really am going magic, but I feel inclined to. I feel like all the reasons for Kobe are not basketball for the reason to give above magic. So I feel like I should say magic objectively.

But I get it. You can't go wrong. Picking Kobe's a franchise fucking Kobe. Question for you, as our. resident Lakers fan. Did you feel a certain type of way about magic post-GM stint?

I felt like, how do I, how do I say this politely and accurately? I wasn't that upset because I felt like he did exactly what you probably thought he would do. It was just a guy who like didn't know what the fuck he was doing and was up there for vibes. And the Lakers have a bad habit of just like, I do not say the Lakers. Jeannie Bus has a bad habit of hiring her friends and people she knows outside of the court

and just being like hey come run my team and that's what that hire was it was purely purely I think you're a really cool guy who I've known forever come run my team so nobody should have expected

to go well he has no experience doing this didn't know a damn thing really really he was there to recruit LeBron which he did well so great success but everything else was

exactly what it should have been I think for Magic Johnson running a team it was just like I want to say, like, giving a kid a keys to the franchise, but that's not... It was cataclysmic. One of the most cataclysmic runs by a fucking gym or whatever you want to call him at that time, ever point blank.

Yes, yes, yes, he got LeBron. It was terrible. He got LeBron, but, like, LeBron wanted to go there. Like, he was in Cleveland for four years, so it's like... He almost fucking, he almost ruined it. If it was up to him, he would have ruined having LeBron. He would have wasted it. He was so bad that everybody thought Rob Polenko was a woman.

worst GM in the world and then soon after that he just put on like a pretty good four years outside of the Russ of Westbrook trade which LeBron Forrest but he was so bad he almost ruined Rob Polink's career before it started. That's pretty bad. Terrible. Okay.

But do I have ill will towards him now? Make me like him less? No, I don't give a fuck. Yeah. They won. If the Lakers didn't win though, oh trust me. If the Lakers did not win a championship and it had parts to do with the ashes and reminences that he left behind when he just like left abruptly bro oh yeah it's it's raps

you're hey you're feeling some type of way it would even fucking for life yeah if you remember with the lakers and it never worked out it would have been fucking for life oh yeah facts exactly

those five championships don't move me get out of here it'll be better bird better came back just a haunt your franchise next up

next up we're going to flip to the other side of the locker room who is the goat of the Los Angeles Clippers who stinkers they don't have

have one. They don't have one. All right. So the names that are thrown up onto the board, Luke Walton, all this shit. Chris Paul. Bill,

he moved it. Oh, Bill Wong, my bad. Yeah, Bill one, oldest shit. Chris Paul. He moved mountains,

if you ask me. You have Kauai. Some way all folks want to say PG, man. You can't go Kauai. And then Blake Griffin, you have to throw up Blake Griffin. Elton Brand?

Is it Elton Brand? Is it Elton Brand? Donnas Haslo? He has. He has to be up there. He's up there. It's disgusting. Honestly, you said Luke Walton.

Luke played there for one season and had 10 points per game. Wait, Luke did? I mean, Bill Walton. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. He's just like one of the greatest players or one of the greatest. Oh, never mind. He played for four years.

It was there was San Diego. That's what threw me off. Yeah, but he was still old. That was like, he was not in his prime whatsoever. Yeah, his best season, he average 14 points per game in 33 games. Yeah. Okay, so it's not Bill Walton. it's not quiet Leonard he hasn't played there long enough it's been nothing but

disappointment outside it's not his fault but it's been nothing but failure it's not elton brand because he's fucking elton brand he was good though he was underrated at that era counterpoint counterpoint though he's elton brand okay keep going i don't know what you mean by that could be good keep going bro he's elton brand like let him go and i i think that's because of the era that he played in and also like the team that he was a part of this extreme extremely mid ass if you ask me and then you have KG, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, all them boys. You just bound to be overshadowed, bro. Plus, you're the clippers?

So it's like, you think people are going to take you seriously? They're not. So is it Kauai Leonard? I'm not Kauai. Is it Chris Paul? It's CP3 to me, man. In my mind, he, similar to what you said, like, about Steve Nass. I think Chris Paul helped solidify Lobb City and he was the starter and the finisher

of that entire clipper culture he went ahead and beat the defending champs uh what was i forget what year was it um but he went ahead and beat the defending chaps in what a game seven series um although like spurs yeah he beat the spurs yeah i think it was 2015 they won in 2014 so it's 2015 yeah and like you know although like it just he just ended up in a bunch of disappointment too that's just the clipper's history it is what it is that's what it comes with when you wear that jersey across your body bro but for his time and what he did he moved mountains

we forgot one player Bob Mcadoo when they're in Buffalo he averaged 34 points per game in 1975 I can't believe I forgot him I'm still sick in CP though I'm so happy you did that Bob McAdoo

for audio listeners we hit our patented salute for any time there's an old player I love that salute. It's so great. That means respect to you. You did your shit in your day. But we do not care.

Yeah, Bob McAdoo, he... Yeah, listen, we can give it to Bob. Bro, give it a CP. Do you have to? No, give it a CP3. For what? Okay, so... They never made a conference finals.

I'm not familiar with what Bob McAdoo did in those years. I don't know. Did you make a finals? Did he win one? I don't even know. Please, no one do Bob McAdoo. history please lord no can we bring up can we bring up their franchise in three straight scoring champs does that move you that does in what years 74 through 76 three straight

scoring champs that's impressive i'm bringing up the the franchise if they if they made a conference finals they never did they never did they lost them the conference semis in three straight years Listen, I guess that's the tiebreaker. Like, really, listen, everybody just loses in the second round if you're part of that franchise. So if you do something good individually, you get the nod. So Bob McAdoo, congratulations. Hold on.

Bob McHugh never made a conference finals. Chris Paul never made a conference finals. You know who has? Paul George. Stop it. The side of the backboard, man. I love him so much, but God, no. He single head.

Without Quiet Leonard, he made their only conference finals. You're right. That is true. True. He did it by himself. Yeah, he did it by himself for sure. I'm not doing that, though. I'm not doing that. Yeah, we can't do that. Does that mean Paul George has to be higher than Kauai Leonard? That sucks so much. Low key. But yes. They've been in for the same about a time. Locke. In a similar caliber of a player, one has the playoff run by himself went deep. One has never had a healthy playoff run. Yeah. And the second that is Paul George three. The second that Colp. PG went down. Kawhi went ahead and tried to carry a load. His knee exploded. Combusted, bro. And he couldn't do anything, so it's like... Exploded. That's such a visceral language. So it's like, all right, man.

We'll move on. Bob McAdoe, congratulations. We're going to start moving faster. We're 30 minutes in. We've got you 14. We're having too much fun, God. The Denver Nuggets. Nicole Yolkich.

He has... Are we going to... He solidified it this summer. Donovan, yeah, I was going to say, as the... Is the resident Carmelo Anthony Stan, that boy, nice guy. Are you going to give an argument for Camelo? Or is it Yokish?

No, it's Yokish. I can't, I can't in good faith participate in that argument. You cannot. I can't. I thought you would have anyways, but you cannot. Yeah, man.

It's obvious. He's going to be a top 20 player of all time unless fucking calamity happens and his career just falls apart. One of the most impressive finals runs of all time, got them to ring, is one of the most talented big men of all time. I don't see any reason you could pick him.

I'd pick David Thompson before I pick Carmelo. No. Okay. Now the stand is about to come out. You know what I'm saying? Let's relax here. Let's do it. David Thompson versus Camelo Anthony debate. Let's get the shit popping. Let's move on. What's next? That's an easy one. We can move on.

The Dallas Mavericks. Another easy one. We're going to go, Dirk. Dirk Newitzky, but he will be probably surpassed by the end of Luca Dantz's career. I do not believe so. I was going to say, well, okay, so let's talk about this for a second. Luca has to win a championship to surpass Dirk because Dirk has a longevity and he has the not just a championship, an incredibly impressive one.

Would one regular championship, let's say it's not one of the greatest runs of all time, but it's a championship and the sustained 15 years of excellence we can expect from Luca. In that world, would that make you put him above Dirk? He has to be there. Dirk played there for 1920. 20, Luca has to be there for like 15 minimum.

Is he going to play that long? It's hard to predict these days. Yeah, I don't know how long to just want to fucking play basketball because I don't know. He's not yoga. He doesn't have horses to attend to. I mean, but sometimes it looks like he's not having fun out there. But I mean, like he's been doing this for so long. And so I don't know.

I feel like he's just one of those players where I don't imagine him like wanting to have an OD long career. And I feel like I saw some quote out there. Yeah, I feel like I saw some quote out there. there about him not wanting to or not not being as encouraged to play for hell along like lebron and whatnot um but i i i just i kind of disagree with you donovan i feel like with the caliber of player that lucid don just has been dirk was nice fucking fantastic but i'm not sure if he's reached feats that luca has and had has had as many iconic moments in such a short amount of time I won't say that

Oh sure amount time That's where okay That's where you save yourself Yeah Because he's pacing Because of sure amount time To he's pacing better than dirt did At this point of his career

So I think that's what you mean That makes a little sense Yeah But again that 2011 moment Of beating all those all time players And winning that championship over LeBron That singular moment No matter how many good moments

Louca has in the playoffs over the years It's hard to surpass that moment For a franchise For sure And that's our only championship For sure Yeah But I'm with you that

I think when it's all sudden done again we're projecting I imagine that Lucas gonna have a higher peak like three year peak it'll probably be better pound foot again it all comes down to that championship

I agree I agree for sure we'll see though Dirk's hard to pass though Dirk's Dirk's Dierpeak is amazing Dirk has Dirk has scored like 30,000 points he has an MVP

which Lucas still does not have and he has Year 5 yeah 24 like relax Most people don't have everybody's been projecting that he's gonna win MVP for the last

That's you. You're everybody. I am not everybody. That's you? I am not everybody. Go listen. At the start of every season, he's top three. He's top three in Betty Knows to go win the MVP.

It's a testament to how great he is at a young age. Yeah. And he hasn't done yet. They just missed the playoffs. Let's see him get back to the playoffs. For sure, for sure. You know, before we start doing all this other stuff. I understand that's the point of this episode.

But, but yeah, he's, I don't like, like, like you said, it's a it's a high mountain for him to climb definitely and i i think that on top of that he's either going to have to get two or he's going to have to get one and play just as long as dirk did for the mavericks because what dirk has done for him is what dirk is done for that franchise is maybe like top i don't know just throw out a number seven or eight in terms of like any any like single player's contribution to a franchise. Dirk, um,

Dirk's what, the 25th best player of all time, whatever number we want to throw out there. But he has far more cachet when it comes to individual team. He's by far the goat and his standings in terms of team goats is much greater than it is for overall players. So I'm very, I'm almost sure that Luke is going to be a better all time player than Dirk,

but he can do that and be by far the better player all time and still not be the franchise legend that Dirk is. Exactly. I think that's the way to put it. Exactly. Yeah, like, like Braun's obviously

a better player all time than magic, but he's not a better Laker than magic. 100% true. That's a good place to leave it. I think that's, that's a good level-headed way

to view those two players. Dirk. Look at us. Look at us, debating and reaching common ground in the most logical way. Look at us being productive for the first time ever.

Let's get it. Next team. The Utah Jazz. Nasty man next. They don't have a goat. Yeah, nasty man or John Stockton. I want to say Donovan Mitchell? I want to say Lowry Marketing.

Jordan Clarkson, 16th of the year. Walker Kessler. We can't give the nasty man. Don't want to give the Stockton, but he's not nasty man. So I say John Stockton and we move on. He's weird, though. I'm not acknowledging that franchise. How about we just give Russell Westberg to be the...

Actually, you know what? Let's just give it to Jerry Sloan. Let's give it to the coach. Yeah, Jerry slows the goat Great, good for him Fax. Let's do it. I love you.

People always rag on us, not rag on us, but people laugh and acknowledge the fact that we nonstop hate on the Clippers on TikTok and stuff. The comments are always like another week,

another Clippers hate train. People are used to it. I think people need to realize we hate the jazz much more. It'll be the same thing they didn't know by now. I really hate both franchises. They, they,

what do you think is though, it's not even hate the jazz. We don't hate the jazz, actually. I just like to, Do you hate the clippers? I do hate the jazz as legends. I just like to make fun of the jazz. I do hate the clippers.

I do hate the clippers. I don't like them as a franchise. Why? I don't respect them as a franchise. Hey man, we're moving off for the clippers. We don't need to. Just real quick.

Just real quick. Like one sentence, why don't you respect them? Um, one word. One word? One word. Lame. Okay.

That's all I need to know. That's all I need to know. We can move on now. We can move on now. I thought he was going to say unsurious. That's funny. Okay, next team we got, the Warriors. Okay, okay.

Obviously, Steph. Yeah. Check. Okay. Personally, I want to say, Seth, for sure. Is Wolt number two? To Donovie, might be fucking eight. He'll put Kvonne Luni before he fucking writes down

Will Tamer's name on God. I don't know. So listen, give Kovon Luni five more years. You might be Yudan Lundon. You might have to put him number two. greatest warrior do they love what like that i mean like is raymond green number two no i'd rather put kd i'd rather green he's there for every trip two-town defense player of the year just as integral to a great team ever can't i don't i just can't do it i just can't do it i just

can't do it it it's fun to hate on draymond now because he's a little bit wash and or not wash he's still a great defensive player but he's not what he once was on either side of the ball. But he was an all-star. Like, he definitely was an all-star, but when I view Dremont, I'm like, yo, this man was a fucking great piece of a foundation, but he's not the foundation. He never has been that.

I think you're wrong on that, though. I think you're wrong on that. Oh, Rick Berry. Okay, pull the Rick Berry's and is above Dreyball. Why am I wrong about that, Donovan? Let me hear it. Because him and Steph Curry are literally basketball, or yin and yang and step has been able to just revolutionize the game and completely carry their

offense and carry their system for however long now draymond has been the backbone of their defense for the same amount of time and they are able they were able to revolutionize the game uh partly because of what draymond was able to do and his versatility to guard every to guard everybody guard one through five his ability to also pass and let step really play off ball like step is able to run around and not dominate the ball because draymond can pass and and facilitate the way that he does so i there's no way that they win those chips without draymond that is sure i would go as far as to say that draymond is equally as influential to modern defense as step is to modern offense he is small ball the small ball era completely existed because of draymond green

and how the Warriors were able to be not only the best offense in the NBA, but also the best defense. If you're going to be the greatest team of all the time, we need to be both the greatest teams ever are, the Bulls were. And the only reason they were that is because they had the most versatile defensive player,

maybe of all time, definitely in the league at that point, manning that defense, covering up all the holes. Everything start and stops with him on defense, the same way it starts and stops with Curry on offense. They're equally important. That's why when you see Dremont go out for periods of time

and he misses 20 games, it's like, oh shit, we need to have a dot. This team is Everyone's talking about Curry But Draymond is just as important It feels so wrong to say Just as important

But I do definitely Hear and say what you're I hear what you're saying And I definitely do understand it Dremont he Just like Steph Curry fucking broke basketball People did not know how to figure out How to guard this lineup

Him and just like his instincts And his quick decisions It's like he makes decisions in like Point five seconds He plays 0.5 basketball you know never has never has glue on his hands when he comes to it and all that

but like when I'm thinking of greatest of all time I also have to like consider just like how you compare to like the other goats of your team's organization and like when I'm thinking of that

I have to put Katie in that conversation too he won two finals MVP's in that he was a monster defensive as well when he was there of course like you could I don't know if I wouldn't be person once he was better than stuff but like people have that argument in that argument is valid at times and like I'd rather I'd very much rather put Katie over that so I'm like you know like I have

curry Katie makes sense I get it no yeah the talent matters too you're right like we said the beginning it's equally equally success and level of player you are so I get that that's why like someone like Rick Barry is above Draymond because like he's so much better at him and still have the resume and stuff Katie being there for three years I'm not I'm not putting him above. He jumped on the bandwagon that was already successful because of Stefan Draymond. He's a better team goat than he is all-time player. Kevin Durant's a much better all-time player than he is team-goat for anybody. For sure. Just for the nature, how his career went. Yeah, I definitely agree. When it comes to this team goat overall, that matters, but also it just

matters about how good of a player you were to. That's why I have to like knock Draymond a couple slots down. But when it comes to just, for not talking about on the court stuff, like, of course she raises up a little bit on that list. Yeah, debate for another day, but I think that Dremont was so good defensively and in his prime and his younger years had enough value in offense that I think he is just as good of an overall player as some of like the offensive stars

in the league were. Like most people are going to be like Kyrie was obviously a better player than Dremon. 2016, I think it was more debate than people think just because he was that good defensively. But again, conversation for another day. That's a whole other can of worms. That's a good conversation.

King Spice Let's go on to the next team Yeah Let's stick on Let's stick with The Kevin Durant Side of things Who is the greatest

OKC Thunder player Of all time Fucking Russell Westbrook Like Of course KD is the best Player But there's the difference

Between being the best And the greatest Being the best Is strictly Okay How good are you at the game of basketball And all the other shit

But being the greatest How do you make me feel How do you impact my heart How good are you How many memorable moments game winners how much do you give back to the community whole nine everything matters in russellers community okay we're going too it's like it's like he's peak okayc he is mr thunder that's all it is bro

he is literally it's just because katie left exactly i know that matters though you have you have these two all NBA talents that were drafted within two years of each or even i think it was it was either within two years or back to back years and they rise back to back years they rise together kd's MVP they're doing all these things they went to a finals has the baby thunder for conference champion four conference finals in six years they go all the way and then katy just leaves them for the team that just beat them and out the whole city the whole city is heartbroken the whole state of oklahoma does not know how to act and russell westbrook looks at everybody and says get on my back and wins MVP averages a triple double take

Kyle Singler on your team Oladipo You had Jeremy Grant Before he was nice Talk about it Anthony Morrow In his can't He'll be on CNN these days

Team was two cans of ass cheeks And he carried them bro He'd be on Fox News Not CNN big difference Either either way Either way he's talking about things He shouldn't be talking about But Russell Westbrook

Russell Westbrook Carried that franchise Out of ashes And heartbreak and despair and he is the greatest thunder that they've ever had.

Okay, I understand. I guess you could say it's kind of like the Kobe thing however we're like if we're gonna try to separate ourselves some popularity and stuff Kobe's one situation where we have to talk about that

because he's such an outlier in that way. This is another one. You could say the same thing here where Katie is such an outlier and how much he broke the team's heart that he has to be brought down even if they actually are the same.

He's also an outlier in that way that you can't like pass for this specific conversation. If Katie would have left and went to another team let's say if he went to Washington or something like that then I think we would have been okay about it like differently because it's like bro you just went to your hometown

who can hate on you for that you know what I'm saying but if you went anywhere else yeah anywhere else like it's it's a different just couldn't be there yeah okay fair enough I mean yeah you can't really argue against Resbrook like it's they have essentially the same resume well never mind Katie has a better resume but they did everything they did together and they both have one MVP

it's it's close enough that I can see going the sentimental route for that like it's it makes total sense next team the Houston Rockets this is Hakeem Olajuwon and it shouldn't it's not close it's not close

this is definitely this is one of the most cut and dry ones it's up there with Steph being obviously the Warriors goat not much you can say Hakeem is their only top 10 player of all time the only one that comes close James is barely cracking top 30

if we're going to be on the more generous side Well let me say he can be top 30 That's fair It's not necessarily being generous Again there's a big golf between like the 10th best player Of all time the 30th It's really not close Plus James Harden left in dramatic fashion as well

Which I don't really know if He low-key left in just as disrespectful of fashion As KD did Bro he got fat On purpose For some reason Rockets fans aren't as hateful Or maybe it's just like the national

media didn't look do loki let me say this i think the national media definitely forced okayc's hatred more than okayc actually hated kd that's definitely much more of a forced narrative i don't think okayc was like burning jerseys like they did with lebron after he left the calves and for some reason the national media didn't necessarily push that with james hardin because well it's because the national media didn't love james hardin the way that they loved kevin derwent and okayc like prior also wasn't drafted there it's probably that yeah so they didn't draft james hardens maybe that's why that wasn't as much of it i mean i mean i mean I mean, but they still got him like prior to his breakout.

And so like, you know, there was, there was that. But the, I mean, the years before James left, like, nobody liked James Hardin. He was, you know, everybody was calling him a foul merchant and he's doing all these things with, you know, drawing fouls and stuff like that. And so there just wasn't the same vibe around him. So people, people are like, listen, you're just like, we don't like you anyways. So if you're just going to go and do that, like, that's just who you are, I guess. Yeah, it's just weird There's people were so up in arms

And like Now that I'm thinking about it It was really like a Okay, C fans You should hate the fuck out of KD Like it was such like a I feel like it was a force thing Now that I'm thinking about it

A force You're okay, that's ridiculous Not forced, not to say That there's no merit to it But it was like It was very much an area Of cultivated outside Okay so when LeBron left the Cavs

There's videos of him burning jersees everywhere The world was pissed It was clearly Cavs fans Are heartbroken and betrayed OkayC fans are upset I don't think it was the same level you know what I mean but it's treated that way now

because like everybody else that's not an OKC fan hated KD for it because they made the warriors unstoppable you know what I mean like it was it was amplified by the national media

being up in arms about it if LeBron would have left to any other team the city of Cleveland would have burned his jersey either way like no matter where no matter where he went

his jersey was going to get burned like Moe said if Durant had went to the Celtics or if he went to the Wizards or if he went to the Timberwolves or anybody else. Everyone would have been like,

you know what? Like, I'm kind of hurt, but we didn't get it done. Appreciate it. Thanks for the memories. But literally you just went to the team that beat us. Like, we're still reeling from that loss.

Like you, what are you doing? Like, you kicked us while we were down. I know, I know. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying the national media cares about it. I think people assume OKC fans are much more hurt than they were. I feel like the sentiment was.

Again, it's hard to gauge that. like how do we talk about what a fan base felt seven years ago so maybe this is a fruitless conversation but I feel like it wasn't as much outrage as like the LeBron one for example but we treat it that way in retrospect anyways the Rock is clearly Hakeem yeah next team the Memphis Grizzlies Marcus all shout out to you man when we talk about the worst top threes you know top three's top three's top five's in NBA history, the Memphis Grizzlies, wow, the Memphis Grizzlies are on the short list of that. I don't know what word just came out of my mouth, but it wasn't Grizzlies.

But yeah. Had a fucking, you fuses shorted. Exactly. Just fucking Moe moment. Get it together, man. My bad. My bad. I agree with Moe, though.

I think it's Mark Gassol. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, really the only candidates are people from that team. Are you coming to Marcusal, Zach Randolph, or Mike Connolly? It kind of has to be one of them, doesn't it? Yeah, I give him to Pau Gasol didn't do shit It wasn't there for that long

It's not gonna be Mike Miller It's not gonna be Rudy Gay It's not John Morant yet Maybe he'll get there one day Zibo's in the convo That's so bleak bro He was such a good player Full of energy, ecstatic

City loved him but You just not like that bro Yeah I guess it's gotta be Mark Gassal He was the best player in that team He was an all star for them Defensive player at the year That's their greatest accomplishment In team history

It's their best individual award That's been won there Marcusal's defensive player of the year Yeah that Which is also fraudulent too Like that shouldn't even be his Yeah that's that's like Listen I don't usually like saying awards

Or fraudulent I usually like Usually I say it is a joke But like you gotta get in the respect He wasn't first team all defense How the fuck did he would DPOI That was actually fraudulent That doesn't even make sense Statistically how does that make sense

For like whose fault is that like how did that happen I need a deep dive on this It's just the way that the points landed Oh Yeah, I got to look like who was voting for him first place and not putting him on their all NBA team like there had to be a substantial amount of people that did that for that to even happen because the voters are the same, right? I think so, yeah. Yeah, if you have a vote for man, the agenda question is wild, bro. The NBA totally needs to reevaluate who the fuck they give out votes to and that's why you should give them to us.

We'll get you right. I do not want that power. I do. I do not want that power. Bro, as soon as they expose your name onto the internet, bro, it's going to be wraps. I would have such, I would have such inner dialogue and I'd be torn between wanting to be funny

and wanting to sound smart. The impossible would be to sign like, do I troll? Do I make the best pick? It would be so hard. It'd be real funny if Marcus Smart was MVP, wouldn't it? Oh, yo, people fucking hate you, bro. It would be hilarious.

No, we should never have votes. No matter how many YouTube subscribers. Speak for yourself. I'm voting straight off of aura and vibes. Fits. Who put that shit on better? Most costing somebody $45 million on the ore.

We do not, don't give us votes. It's not my fault, man. I just seen those tunnel fits and I like monochrome. What can I say? Now, you're going to ruin Palo Bancaro's life in five years by costing him so much money. Oh, man. All right, next team.

The San Antonio Spurs. Tim Duncan, easy. Next. We don't have to talk about. Let's move on. We literally do. Cut and dry. Yeah.

Shout out Dave Robinson. Shout out young Kauai Leonard. Shout out Mounted Genoblee. Tony Parker. Whoever else. George Gervin. They have some legends, for real. Like, their top five is great,

but it's Tim Duncan. It's not even close. It's probably a bigger gap than it was for Houston and the Keem. Facts. Yeah. Actually, no. David Robinson's probably close. closer than Jim's Hardin is.

So it's not that much, but it's clearly Tim Duncan. I agree. Next team. Back in the trenches, the Minnesota Timberwolves. Listen, their top five sucks, but they do have a clear winner. And this is Kevin Garnett. Shout out to him. But everybody else, they suck.

In terms of like all-time status, these are just people who should not be in all-time conversations. Yeah, man Who are these people Drop some names Who's number two Fatty boy Kevin Love Is up there Sam Cassell

Oh my God Oh my God Almost threw up on this mic right now No I mean they Yeah They have Sam Cassell Kevin Love

I think if I'm not mistaken I think Wally Zerbiak Is on the all time team For the Timberwolves in 2K That's crazy Is Kat a top five Timberwol Yeah he He looks

He actually is Oh, my God. Look, he is. They're in hell. I look, it's Al Jefferson number five. Kill me. Al Jefferson? Sam Cassell 4.

Carlton Town is number three? Oh, man. I guess I mean, fair. If Al Jefferson's five, Kat's got to be three, I guess. No worries, three, four years from now after Anthony Edwards uplifts this conversation and becomes the second coming of basically Jesus Christ, according to with the way

the Twitter Street was talking about him we'll look at this and he'll be like yep this man is number one hopefully have

some MVP's championships and all that next to his name but aside from that it's mo mo my bad

didn't mean to cut you off go ahead look at this fucking list on the kill showing us and clutch points Andrew Wiggins

at 10 this team is horrible ah Andrew Wiggins Andrew Wiggins Andrew fucking a bust

at 10 Mr. Wiggins Maple Jordan At 10 Can we move on This is this is upset in me This is upset of me I don't like

This is lightning This is crazy I don't like seeing this Andrew Wiggins The top 10 player in franchise history Should we take their team away? They traded him for DeAngelo Russell I don't think they deserve it

Oh my God You might as up a Dilo at 10 Honestly Eddie Dio is more in that jersey than Andrew Wiggins did Andrew Wiggins sucked on the timber wall

was like outright was not a particularly good player that's crazy yeah all right man next team who is the Portland Trailblazers go

it will end up Clyde Drexler who I'm saying Damien this one's a debate Clyde versus Dame okay give me the case

for Clyde Drexler I think so for Clyde low key like accomplished well he did accomplish more went to two finals

they have the I mean something they have the same number of all NBA first teams um no no first team oh okay okay yeah so first yeah so for all NBA

like just in total dame has more than Clyde but for first team they both only have one and so it's like yeah Clyde played behind Jordan Damian Lily played behind Steph like it's similar circumstances

it's kind of kind of hard there's two spots so like you got to be somebody else out and you you didn't so it's just I don't know I just think that this is kind of the same situation that we had with the sons where you don't really have any high end accomplishments and the resumes are fairly similar and so I would I would give a little bit of preferential treatment to Clyde because he didn't make two finals and that's something that dame is i just hasn't done see you i see the difference now whenever it's super close you're going towards who had a little more success yeah i kind of want to go towards who was a better player for longer and i mean it's not clear cut but i feel like dames probably a better

player at his peak but client's fucking great too so that's not obvious i don't know in my that's why i just i think like when we're talking about like what what heights have you reached with this franchise right to make you not not much but there's a lot exactly nobody no opportunity nobody has high high if we want to go with anybody i mean listen bill walton had like a you know he had a like an 87 game run where he was able to to go and get some chips and dominate the league but i don't know i just they're all around the same range well listen man i don't i don't know This is tough.

I think names better. Clyde went ahead and he did go to the NBA finals. It gets smacked, but it is what it is to go like, you know what I'm saying. It is what it is. But with what Damien Lurter was given, which is just like, look at his all-time teammates. Second best player is Lamarckitt's Aldridge. Third is C.J. McCollum, who's never made an all-star team in his goddamn life and never will. Damn, why I say I say like that?

I say like I hate C-Gene. I really don't. But like, that was very spiteful way to say it, but you're not wrong. Yeah, I'm not wrong. But Clyde played with Terry Porter. Like, it's not like, like, Terry Porter's not crazy himself. What was his path to the finals? Exactly.

Who was he going up against? Let's look at that playoff run. What was that, 91? They made it. They made it. I think it was 92. He made it, he made it 92 for sure. So which one?

The first one or the one where they played joint? Yeah. What's the 1999? Can you pull up to the 1992 playoff bracket? kill let's see what this looks like okay they beat they beat the lakers three one in the first round they beat the suns four one in the second round they beat the jazz four two and then they lose in six against the bulls look at us doing our homework right now so the the the lakers were that was after magic's incident so i'm not moved they beat but was barclay on the suns

in i too can't remember maybe or was that a dan marley team they beat they they beat Kevin Johnson and Dan Marley that was the year before Chuck got there okay all right whatever uh and then they but the big to be the jazz who were the jazz so that's an accomplishment now can we pull up dame's best playoff run it was in 20 2019 it was in 2020 to 2021 I believe it was or 20 or 2019 either one it's 2019 when they make the conference finals and they get swept after being up 17 at halftime in each one of those games to a Warriors team that had no Kevin Durant it doesn't matter is that his fault though like yeah like to a warrior scene that didn't have Kevin Durant it don't matter you couldn't replace

Kevin Durant with the corpse of Matt Barnes which is what they had like there is still three teams ever that you cannot blame a single star for losing to no matter how great they are Yeah. The Prime Warriors, Jordan's Bulls, and the 01 era Lakers. If you lost of those teams, it's not a knock, no matter how bad you lost. I'm not blaming him for losing. I'm blaming him for getting swept and for not getting a game because if, if this was like the 2016 Warriors where you still have the strength of numbers, right, and you don't have

Kevin around, that's fine. But all that was gone because you added Kevin to rent and then you take Kevin to right now and again you're up 17 in each one of those games and you don't get one that's but you remember what happened though step put on like a master class like step like step like went nuts that was like an all-time step moment like more than it was oh portland trouble just choking well it was more bad it was more bad coach they were playing they were playing drop coverage with like with nis cancer every single place so they were just giving step wide over threes it wasn't like step was creating a lot of stuff but this is that's an embarrassing way to lose

if you're the if you're the blazers and for me that sticks in my head when i think about the furthest you've ever made it in the playoffs and you lose like that that's why for me i'm like i just if we're just going off of winning and everything else is tied i i kind of want to give it to client i'm not i'm not pressed about this at all though slightly recency bias kicking in there too because I mean like yeah Clyde did when I go ahead and go to multiple finals and I go ahead and I commend that

maybe I'm having a recency bias too because I'm fine going Clyde we can go Clyde yeah I'm going Dame the bar's just not high it's not it's not yeah I think they're close enough caliber a player that Dame's numbers are better

productive era Clyde was just that if you rank the top five scores in both eras I think they rank similarly Clyde was that level of player for his era it's just a different game and I think they're close enough in that way that we can go accomplishments also because of longevity

was also there for Clyde I didn't go accomplishments for Charles Barkley because he played there for fucking four years which is nothing Clyde was almost Blazers lifer in the same way that Dame is now and almost Blazers lifer

I am basically everything's equal the one argument that I would have for Dame over Clyde is that Dame knows how to use his left hand and Clyde Drexler did not So being able to drive left and drive right, that does help a lot more than just being able to drive right. All I'm saying is that I'm not holding back, Dane, for his third or fourth best pieces being Alfrou Camino and Maurice Harkless.

Moe Harkleys was an integral player for that team. That's crazy. The dude who didn't want to shoot a single three-pointer towards the end of the season because he wanted to preserve. That three point I am I'm not gonna knock him for that Because that was a half a million dollar bonus If you stayed above 35%

I respect it That's a lot of money Come on I respect that Right man We'll go Clyde Drexler That's gonna be a debate For ever now

Since Dames's Portland career is over Yeah hopefully But we have one more team left Before we're done with this part of the pod The Pelicans So this is a stinker This is a stinker once again Chris Paul is in the race

like he was the Clippers we went with Bob McAdoo should Chris Paul be in the only argument because he played in New Orleans I don't think he has to be because he played in New Orleans I mean not New Orleans he played in like another city

no no no he played in New Orleans when they were the Hornets with the same team they just rebranded oh yeah you're right yeah it was he played for the New Orleans franchise not the Charlotte one yeah yeah you're right so Chris Paul the only other competition I think is Anthony Davis.

Okay. Okay. This, we've had this debate before just in a short version on TikTok time. Donovan, you go, Mo, you go first. Where are you, I know where Donovan is going. Where are you going, Mo? I don't know, because like, when I think of CP3, he, I think that singular year that he almost won MVP and. Almost.

Anthony Davis, he didn't have a, he had fucking fantastic years. He was amazing in 2016. and 2017 and when they got buggy and all that like that was peak hype and pretty not not peak anthony davis but you could actually argue that was probably peak anthony davis but i don't know i kind of almost want to lean cp3 because of just how how like masterful he was with the pelicans back then or the hornets back then so i might lean towards him i might lean towards him play for he was drafted until he was 25 same exact thing as Anthony Davis

they both left in the road 25 the biggest thing that Chris Paul has in his favor is almost doing something great which is like the story of his fucking career he's almost done a lot of great stuff yeah great oh he almost did it okay so

Anthony Davis has two more years it was five years versus seven years for AD both didn't win anything one finished top three in MVP voting one time Anthony Davis never did that If that's what moves you Uh Anthony Davis back then

Was an insane player Peak Anthony Davis When he can shoot When he consistently handled the ball And that offense ran through him Inns and outs The in and outside game was ridiculous Rebounding

Bro He was fucking insane In 2018 he averaged 28 points per game Was the block leader Shot 34% from the 3 Was Crazy Mobile and that thing that's the year they made the playoffs they had boogie for that first half of that year

yeah or was that the year after uh i think that's the year after okay well they were a playoff team in that range during that time period when they just got drew holiday like they didn't make a run they lost to the warriors in the in the playoffs that year i think yeah so again we don't blame anybody for losing to the warriors bulls or lakers this is a tough one because neither one of them did a fucking thing and they both left as soon as they could at the same age how do we even go about deciding this i have an idea has me peak right i have an idea tell us your idea we give it to chris paul because he was there post katrina if you play for the if you play for the franchise after the city goes through a natural disaster

you got it that's it that's that's my way of decided i like the way you're thinking personally i think cp3 had a like he he did the greater almost but I think Anthony Davis is a fucking prototype. The greater almost thing. Yeah, exactly. This is like the fringe maybe could be intentionally last week. Exactly. And it's facts, so I'm not lying whatsoever.

This is not no brain fart. It's fucking facts. Like, he didn't do it. But even though he didn't do it, it's still fucking great that you didn't do it. But with it, didn't AD have a year he was also top five in MVP voting? Maybe. Yeah, but. It wasn't as great as CP3

That's what I'm saying One of them was there to pick up the pieces After the entire city got flooded after Katrina Ante Davis never did a lot of narrative shit We're not going this far CP3 let's go CP3 let's rock let's rock We're taking C3

It was a better individual player probably But CP 2018 MVP voting Anthony Davis is number three Doesn't move They both have a top three finished MVP in their best year I've told you the tie break Follow it and let's move on

It doesn't move me Yeah Let's go CP All right I told you what we're doing You are a city's goat For doing almost something Congratulations

There you go This franchise Is in the trenches They shouldn't even be The New Orleans Pelicans goat Is a made up title anyways Like it just doesn't exist And we're just doing this for content right now

So Whatever you want to say You can say David West And I'll be like all right Oh, my God. You know, I'll say that in a heartbeat. On God. You guys remember that one draft I had?

I would say David West like that. Don't tempt me, man. Exactly. He's top 10 for sure. That's hilarious. Mo, oh my God. Are you going to watch? Are you going to watch, Mo?

Yes. Do you guys hear that? I hear it in my ceiling. Side of the wall. Could be the rats. Could be the crayon eaters. I don't know. But I think it is TikTok time.

You just call. the meanest iso and you switch that bitch from half courts. That was crazy. Yeah, man. It is TikTok time, as always. Everyone's favorite half of the show. I know we're all here.

That was crazy. Is it the rat? Yeah, man. As always, we're going to start TikTok time with the draft per usual, per tradition. Today we're going to do. a draft of only players who played with Shaq. We've done this with KD.

We've done this with Steph Curry, LeBron. We're trickling down all these journeymen stars. Let's get into it, man. I think I have the first pick in this one, which sucks because this is actually the draft that I would want to have the third pick in. Let's drive NBA lineups with only players who played with Shaq.

All right, Donovan. Who we got first pick? I have to take the best player available. I have to take LeBron James. Naturally, naturally. lame but whatever i got to pick the second best player available give me covey okay nice this is my opportunity to fumble but i will not go ahead go ahead give me kevin garnett and i'm gonna fuck i'm gonna my center and then at the two give me d waid that's exactly that's exactly

why i wanted to be at three because i wanted those two this is what i do okay This is what I do. Dang, dang, dang, dang. What's the better value here? Okay. There's a lot of positions where there's only one deep. Donovan has the best small forward.

Give me the second best small forward. Give me Paul Pierce. Ooh. Fuck, man. Okay. Happy with that. Okay. That's good.

That's good. I want somebody. Listen, if you have LeBron, you need shooting. Give me Ray Allen at the two. And then Hmm How don't I don't want to do this

And then you know what Give me a lockdown defender at my one Give me Gary Payton I'm glad you did that I got Kobe and Pierce I got the bucket getters I need a playmaker Give me Steve Nash

Damn Okay Makes sense Makes sense Okay You got Steve Nash I'm so glad I got him Jesus Christ

I was scared Yeah You got Steve Nash Go ahead and give me Give me hard away Give me hard away. I need him at my one. Okay.

Good pick. And then... You know what? Next to KG, give me Dennis Rodman. My defense is a nice. You are cooking so far, but... You are cooking shit. You got no shooters.

Bro, listen. Listen. Who needs shooting when I'm going to stomp your face out with two of the meanest NBA players ever? You're going to have positions one through five hitting drop steps every player. Yeah. Okay, next pick There's not a lot of bigs So I got a swing

Give me Alonzo Morning Oh man I forgot he played with that man What the hell Yeah, Alonzo Morning at my center Let's go He got it, this is great This is great

This is exactly where I wanted to be This is exactly where I wanted to be At my four Give me Sean Marion And at my five Give me Amari Stademeyer Oh Amari Stottemeyer played Wow I forgot about

Damn Shaq damn doesn't move me no room protection Kobe's dunking on my replay I have LeBron Why you know how I'm gonna fill my team with Am I four

Give me Grant Hill That's good I like that The best version of Grant Hill Those two years Where he was elite Given to me Oh fuck

Damn bro He was the perfect play For my team Oh my God I can't win shit ever But give me Jason Richardson He fumbled The best start ever

Give me Give me Jason Richardson Man He was a face He can dunk at 40. What did you just fucking say? He was a fight.

Okay. He's the, I told you. I told you he was going to fumble. What the fuck did he just say? I told you he was going to fumble. Jason Richardson. His team is Penny Hardaway.

Dwaywayne Wade, Jason Richardson, Dennis Rodman, Kevin Garnett. That is the worst team you could build her on Kevin Garnett. Is it? It really is.

everybody is 15 feet 15 feet and under I'm promising if Penny Hardaway reached his arm out he would touch everybody else on your teeth there's no spacing you folded but listen

even if I folded at least I'm folding with heart I lost with heart I am fighting blood sweat and tears a punch will be thrown dunks will be made If I lose, it is what it is. You're scoring 67 points a game.

Hey, guess what? How many you scoring on me? Maybe 69. Hell no. All right, now you're on. Oh, my God. Easily one. I was going to say, but no.

No. Hell no. I was for to say, I was going to say, but I say myself, okay, let's not do that. That's funny. Yeah, so, listen, we've all been there a couple weeks ago. I folded, and today you got the crown. Biggest seller of the day. Congratulations, Mohammed.

you said my government name my government is crazy federal bro gross oh no federal i got steve nash coby bryant paul pierce grant hill alonzo morning pretty good i don't see a flaw pretty good i have gary peyton ray allen lebron sean marion amari stottemeyer listen maybe maybe like a little small but i like this i like this a lot hill being gone through me out bro but i got penny d wade And then I have Jason He was nice Leave me alone, bro

He was nice, what do you mean? All right He was of my favorite players That he's played with the 2K And then also I got Dennis Robin and KG I got a bad man lineup, bro Crazy This is how it was a science experiment

Gone wrong But it was fun That's hilarious All right y'all Next video we're going to do We're going to do our tier list Knock this out next This one's going to be a fun one

we're going to put NBA father-son duos into a tier list we're gonna start hating on this one this one this one's gonna get nasty I can already feel it will the hate ever end nope that's what we do so let's put these NBA father-son duos into a tier list first off Steph Curry and Del Curry

what are we ranking them by just how good they were bro how good they are as a duo I mean, they have Steph Curry So I guess we have to go S But Del was really good Yeah, they got to be right Or pretty good

Okay, Del was good That was solid I wouldn't say really good He wasn't a star even To the rest of the list bro He was pretty good I'll tell you this right now And this could be a prelude

To next week Dale Curry is one of the greatest Charlotte Hornets of all time So you have two franchise goat potentials In one duo So I'll say X Yeah they gotta be the greatest Father's son duo of all time

Like, it's, when you have Curry and a competent father, it's got to be him. A competent father. Show him to his practices. Shout to you, Del. No child left behind. Next up, Doc Rivers and Austin Rivers. Oh, I'm putting them in like, D.R.F. I don't think anybody likes them.

I like Austin Rivers. He had some good years of the Rockets. Yeah. He's good, man. Had some good years with the Rockets. He had some great years with the Clippers. He fought with a black guy. Not five.

But, you know, he actually did fight on the bat's part with a black guy gave his all when CP3 went down in the worst moment. But this might be a D, bro. Damn. I think they got to be seen. I mean, Doc Rivers was an all star, wasn't he?

He's also known, he's also known as, listen, Austin Rivers was on the team that missed 20. I think he was. Was he on the team that missed 27 straight threes? No, I'm not sure. Was that a year after? I don't remember for sure.

I can't, I can't remember. Either way. No, no, he wasn't. He wasn't there. He wasn't. Either way, him and his father won the clippers at the same time that they choked. All those leads away. His father is known as one of the greatest choking head coaches of all time.

I can't put you at sea. That's a good point. This is the only do what we saw being the same franchise at the same time and it was a failure. They got to be a dear F. Bro, but we got to talk about them as players, though. No, hey, we don't. We don't. This is our cheerist.

This is our cheerless. We can do whatever we want. Take your cheerless on me, man, whatever. Next up, Tim Hardaway and Tim Hardaway, Jr. Oh, this might be a B or A. This is definition of C. What? Really?

How? I think Tim Hardaway, Jr. holds his father down. Every time that they showed Tim Hardaway, senior, watching his son play, he always looks a little bit disappointed. he's like listen i had one of the greatest crossovers ever he'd never learned it i just if he could just do one move he would be so much better i it is funny that he can't dribble and his father tim hardaway that is hilarious like you couldn't pick up any fucking lessons exactly he was

traumatized from working in in the backyard while that is true tim hardaway junior is a good role player that has had a long NBA career. Yeah, they'd be. Yeah, they have to be a B. Yeah, if one's an All-Star, one's a solid role player, you can't be. There's not a lot of, there's not a lot of competition here. I'm hating, I'm hating.

Gary Payton and Gary Payton Jr. Or Gary Payton the second, my bad. They're either the same list as the hardaways or a tier below. I think Gary Payton is clearly better than Tim Hardaway And GP2 is just as good as Tim Hardaway Jr at least Nah, he hasn't been as good consistently He was kicked out of the league bro He almost got in one year

Yeah exactly bro You're right he has one year where he's better than Tim Hardaway Jr. Yeah exactly But when your father is a Hall of Famer though But when your father's a Hall of Famer Yeah low key Gary Payton's probably the second best player on his list They might have to be A Okay

I think they have to be his dad's carrying his dad's carrying for sure He is okay A, it is. Next up, Michael Thomas and Clay. Ooh. Also A? This is, I almost said S, but we can do A. I'll go A.

I'll go A. I think. Neither one of them are true superstars, so they can't be S, I don't think. Okay. But like, but they're both champions. Yeah. Exactly. Both, listen, both champions.

Clay is what, top, top two, top three, shooters of all time. Top five at worst. And so definitely bare minimum Exactly at worst So I think when you have that level of shooting And those many rings at the dinner table You gotta be A Yep

Okay Larry Nance and Larry Nance Jr. Off of vibes you just got to put him at A I think they I don't know I didn't expect you to say A That was so much harder I thought you were gonna say

I've never heard anybody say anything bad About Larry Nance or his son Larry Nats Jr. is awesome He's such a likable role player He's a great role player His dad was an All-Star I think they have to be B at least

They're probably B Yeah they gotta be B They're very similar to The Hardaway's Where one's a good role player And one's a legit all-star Yeah Yeah

Yeah nances or B Yeah that makes sense Yeah I agree with that Let's do B Good people Next up Bill Walton and Luke Walton Luke Walton

Luke Walton As a player's hilarious Oh man I don't really It was better than him as a coach. So, for several reasons. So I'll put them at F. You throw me off with these rings.

I was not expecting that. I mean, Bill Walton's a legend. See, at least. I wanted to say, see. He's really holding him back. Yeah, your son's holding you back, damn. Ruining your last name. Are you crazy?

Oh, my God. I'll be then again, if the rivers are D, maybe Walton should be D as well. have you guys heard Bill Walton call a basketball game it's not a fun experience wait is the way he'd be breathing and like smacking his lips

and stuff or what he's high all the time oh he just yaps just smagging his guns words come out just flapping bro shut up

no I don't want to hear you all right put him in D next up minute bowl and bowl bowl a disgrace man. Hey, yeah, listen RIP to Mnute,

but if we're talking about somebody holding the family name back, Bobol's doing that to his father. On and off the court, bro. What is you doing, man? Oh, my God, bro. Nick, you wrote the Boboles as the family.

Bull Bulls. Oh, God, bro. The Boboles is crazy. Bull bowl wants to be destroyed lonely so bad This man does not want to be on an NBA court Facts, bro. He's misunderstood everywhere he goes. The only thing, like,

Bobo just failed science experiment, never lived up to the hype. Felt, yeah, bro. Like, everywhere he goes is just like, everyone's like, oh, but that boy's nice and blah, blah, blah, blah, just because you see a tall 7-3 African dude just dribbling awkwardly.

He's not even nice That way is not nice In a pick up he nice But regulation anything Nah not really bro But shot to Mnute But he wasn't that caliber of player So this is a D

No I thought we're putting him an F We're going F Bobo's career has been a failure Damn And Yeah Bobble can't even get Garbage time

Mo said You said that two years ago I don't wait I said that shit Oh shit I said that shit that shit. Oh shit. Yeah.

F tier it is. Yeah. I'm fine with that. All right. That's the tier list. I think this is good. There's nobody in the middle. There's just no regular father-son duo.

The Waltons deserve to be C, but they're D because one of them likes to flap their gums and one of them was a terrible coach. I don't like to flap their gun. Making me mad uncomfortable, bro. God. Chewing sunflower seats. Chewing sunflower seats is crazy. That's such perfect imagery. Ew, bro.

I just imagine like old white paste lips just making mad uncomfortable. ASMR type shit, bro. God. Jerich so far seats is crazy. I've done that before. That's exactly. This is the most

annoying shit ever. Top 10 most annoying food and activity, though. It's like a pointy paste. Oh, my God, I'm crying. My eyes are so watery. That was good.

You're sad. I can't control myself I have so many tears I need a tissue oh my god I don't have a tissue box in here no that's good that's good stuff

oh god all right man we can move on to our next video yeah next thing we're going to do Nikiel can you pull up the 2K ratings for me please we're going to guess some NBA teams based on their 2K 24 ratings

you're going to see a graph with the whole team on it and you're going to tell me who it is based off the new ratings from this year so we wipe my fucking eyes good lord guess the NBA team based on their 2K ratings and first up who is this so the point is 86 the two guard is 92 the power for them assuming is 85 forward yeah small forward 78 and centers 83 I feel like Like, okay, this is a very, like, well-rounded lineup. The two guard is obviously the star with two very, like, you know, solid bigs. I feel like we're on the same wavelength.

And let's go with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Mail it in. Correct. There we go. Isaac O'Role. There we go. Sold it for him. That's actually Karras Levert.

Oh, shit. Damn, Isaac, you, you tell me you just got kicked off like that? Yeah. I went off a hood too. You can't list it as a starting five. That man should not be starting. Yeah, nah. Neither one of them should be, to be real.

All right. Next up, we got this team. Who do we have next? Moving. Okay, all blue. I feel like we're going a little Kentucky vibe here. There's no color coordination. Yeah, bro.

So for the audio listeners, 92 PD, 2Gard 82, Power 4 is 86, centers of 80, and the 3 is an 84. This is just a good team. This is a really good team. Respectable. Who are one of the best point guards in the entire NBA? This is weird, bro.

I'm going to rattle them off. Yeah, I mean, there's Luca, Steph, there's Trey, there's job. Hold on. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Could this be, you stumble onto something? Could this be. Uh-oh.

John Morant in the Memphis Grizzlies I suppose it could be you tell me lock it in lock it in John Moran to Memphis Correct two for two

there we go good job good job I was like who the fuck is 84 they probably have Marcus Smart starting or something yep

Desmond Baines a small forward Marcus Smart's a shooting guard 82 that threw me off like crazy I ain't like to you I thought it was a new team yeah it's the movie next up we got another blue one who who is this name star power forward because at the 94 at the power forward you have a nice three listen this a very nice three four combination we know what this is okay so

point guard 81 shooting guard 79 power four laid on was said 94 center 80 and small forward is an 89. This screams. Who is an 80? What's interesting? That's when they say Lakers. But there's no way Christian Wood is a fucking game. You know, LeBron was 89?

Oh, you're right. LeBron's not 89. You're right. Slap yourself. So who are some of the best fours in the entire NBA? I mean, they wouldn't. No, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to list off the best fours.

You got Zion K.D. A.D. And then you have Zion, KD, 80. Yonis. Janus. But, yeah, this doesn't.

Oh, this is the, this is the Memphis. Who is it? Oh, no. This is the Minnesota. Minnesota, what the fuck, man. Milwaukee bucks. This has to be.

You think Janus is in 94? No, it's not the Milwaukee books. You think Chris Middleton is in 89? you're all my team help me no no no we were trying to go through god you didn't look at me to lock it in we're a team mo all right I'm composed

you gotta do it together you call Issa Airball that bitch It's okay Okay Pull the Nick Young So no way Zahn's not in Zon's a 94

The rights of the team is so mid Except for the 80s A 97? A 94 Who are some of the best fours in the in the league? We're really forgetting somebody right now. And I feel like it may be someone who might not naturally be a four, which will irritate me. Which is irritate.

Come on, get some guesses in. All right, yeah, let's go ahead. Yeah, so listen off. It's not Zion. It's not Janus. It's not AD. It's definitely not KD. I need to look at some logos.

I just need to look at logos. Not on thinking about it. Could it do? be Jason Tatum and could he be a four that does make sense no that that does that does make sense if he could wait no no because I'm pretty sure they would make Christopps Brazilian start exactly you start Christops at the five but where is Jayton put no way Chris off is eight no way let's do let's have no brains let's say it I ain't taking that blame you say okay that's fine I'm a I'm a lock it in this is the Boston Celtics

You should listen to your fucking partner. This is not the Boston Celtics. I told you. My bad, my bad. All right. Listen, listen. He took a bad shot. He took a bad shot.

He took a bad shot. We're even. Let's do it together. Let's lock it in it. You know, one more guess for you get before you lose. Who are some of the best fours in the entire NBA? Okay.

This has to be the New Orleans Pelicans. Are you good with that? No way. Brandon Ingram's an 89, bro. No way. And Cesar McCorm's higher than an 81. Then where are we going? I don't condemn you for that.

This is not. to New Orleans Pelicans. This is throwing us off because someone's mispositioned here. Correct. You guys lose. We're moving on. This is the Clippers. What the hell finish eight? Oh my god, bro. This is why we don't rock with them. Oh my God. Russell Westbrook, Norm Powell, Paul George, Kauai Leonard, Zubach. See? They have Paul George at an 89? Bro, this is thought he was lower? I thought he was higher. Oh, yeah, 89, Paul George. Oh my God, bro. Oh, this is trash. See, that's what I'm saying. Who the hell is

This is just bought the game today. I just bought 2K today. I'm returning it tomorrow. And I got the digital version. I don't know where I'm going to do. But I'm going to get my money back. I spent all my VC. This is trash.

I have $50 invested into that game plus a 70 or 80. I'm sorry, guys. Listen, we were going to do TD3 park rents. We're not doing that this year. I refuse. Damn. That's funny. All right.

Next up. Who is this team? Another all around solid team. Okay. Okay. So at the point, we got an 83, two guards at 89, the four is an 86, centers at 82, and the small forward is a 95. This right here is speaking to me as the Phoenix Suns, because Bradley Beale, he kind of fell off. That's a good guess. Oh, it's not right, though. Yeah, you're right. It can't be because you can't be because Devin Booker, he's like that. He's not an 89.

He's not correct. damn who are some of the best threes in the entire oh i know who this is go ahead oh do you know donovan this was your wrong answer but it's right now this is the boston celtics correct there we go i'm in my job good job next up we got this team we're rolling there's a lot of good teams in the league these are very well-rounded starting fives wow kind of I'm kind of impressed. Who is this team? All right.

So the point guard is the star at 88. Yeah. We have a power forward. The stars are the point guard and the power forward. Power forward is at 85. Small forward's 82. Two guard is the 80 and the center is in 82. Yep.

Moes in the trenches. You hear this work on my show? I'm trying to know. He said all to their laugh. You hear just your sorry. Sorry, man. He's an episode of power. I live in the exit when I say, dog.

I just learned that lingo. All right. All right. So let's get back to locking in. So who was someone's Lock in? Let's lock in. It's like a better point guards in the entire NBA.

You got Kyrie. It's not him, not Luca. It's not Curry. It's not Dame or could be Dame. Because I see an aim. No. There's no way. There's no way.

Damien Lillard is an 88. If you think Damien Lillor is an 88, you are on crack. Well, I might be on what the same thing that the 2K devs are on because they would do something like that. Oh, shit. You know what? This is the Sacramento Kings. That's a good ass guess, but it's not right. Damn.

I'm going to go. I'm going to guess that that 88 is Jalen Brunson and this is the New York Knicks. correct you're in your bag you're in your bag I know my team I know my team it took it long enough here we go last one

dabble sneeze who is this team 84 of the point guard 79 is the shooting guard Power Ford is a 90 centers at 83 and the small Ford is a 85

This team is pretty well rounded I like this synergy You said this for every team I mean They're all round it. Is this not for the audio listeners or do they not get TikTok time? Fair enough. Exactly.

Audio listeners, leave a like. Anyways, this is... Is this the New Orleans Pelicans? No. Oh, that's a great guess, actually. I'm going with the Pelicans. We're going to lock it in. Let's do it.

This is a New Orleans Pelicans. Wow. That's great. I love that. I love that. I'll send a phone one and say the box, bro. We're here. We're here.

So that's the end of that segment We can keep it pushing Love some good 2K ratings at the start of the season Guaranteed views Money Next up Next thing we're going to do I'm going to name two players

And you guys are going to guess who has the higher career earnings Pocket watching is Listen, it's going to be a part of our bag All right I love to pocket watch I know we all do Let's do it Which NBA player

has the higher career earnings. First off, we got Scottie Pippen or Javelle McGee. This Scottie Pippen was locked in for eight years on a wildly underpaid contract. I know he got paid afterwards, but give me Javelle McGee. Because somehow he's just been in the league for a long time. Year 15. God, that reeks, bro. Yeah, I might have to say Javelle McGee because, hey, I ain't go lie.

The Minceagram promos be hidden. PSD underwear, he probably has made three mill off it in his career already, bro. McGee Javelle McGee has 76 million career earnings Scotty Piven has 107 million Wow okay thank God

He got paid Incorrect He got paid on the bag game Yeah McGee used to go ahead And run some IG store promos or something Next up

Kevin Garnett Or Chris Paul This has to be CP3 in my mind Wait does it have to be Actually Kevin Garnett Put a long time

time. Kevin Garnett had, you know what, I'm going to go with CP just because that last contract probably pushed him over. Yeah, bro. People looked at him in the NBA as if he had a disease. They didn't want no parts of that. So I want to leave CP3. I'm going Chris Paul.

Chris Paul did get a Supermax and that is the correct answer. Kevin Garnett is $334 million. Chris Paul 359. Kevin Garnett is paid. Kevin Garza was fucking paid for the 2000s Listen Playing for 15 plus years It does a number

That's crazy dude Wow I think he was also one of those players That was like pre Whenever they didn't have The same type of max salaries And you can play people like Damn your whatever

Like when Shaq got a fuck ton of money In like year four Yeah Same type of thing for KG You got a fat contract in the beginning Oh that era was special man Damn Man magic Johnson got a third of year contract

It's crazy All right. Next up, Michael Jordan or Harrison Barnes. This is shameful, man. But Harrison Barnes has gotten paid multiple times, and he just got another humongous bag that Donovan hates. So it hasn't eaten. Here in mind is Michael Jordan. I understand that.

Harrison Barnes' agent might have made more off a commission than Michael Jordan did in his entire career. Because the deals he gets is crazy. I'm going Harrison Barnes. Harrison Barnes agent might be the Michael Jordan of agents He might be represented by Michael Jordan We're going to

It's either It's either Harrison Barnes's agent Or Gordon Hayward's agent Oh they're both elite fleecers Oh man Yeah Locker Jordan has been 93 million in his career Harrison Barnes

I'm clear that shit in one contract He made 166 million This is disgusting What happened to the game that I love This is my goat So that's a hair Man This is a real hoops

Elite bad getter Exactly Alright next up We have Shaquille O'Neill Or Kobe Bryant Time out can we just talk about this picture

of Shaq Why do we have to use This picture There's so many other pictures of Shaq And we use the fattest one possible No no no no

There's some fatter fucking pictures of Shaq out there I think the hair Makes it look Yeah It looks It looks like a thumb This is Shaq

I'm going I'm going Kobe yeah I want to leave Kobe too but Shack did get some bags but the bags weren't as consistent because he obviously like well actually I actually no but I just listen why Isaac said earlier matters though Shaq got that major contract after four years and Kobe was still like on the way up so I think I might go Shaq I want to go Kobe but but whatever. Split decision. Shaq has made $286 million. Kobe 323.

That last deal to give him $30 million a year when he was washed? That put him over the edge. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. The longevity hits for Kobe, bro. It don't matter how good he was.

They're going to give him whatever he wants because he's Kobe and he got it like that. Yeah. Jeannie bus took care of him. Shaq had a $120 million head start and still lost. This is why he's in every commercial.

He's trying to make up this money. If you like that, when you're built like a boulder at age 32 damn wild straight body shaming Kobe took care of himself at longevity

I thought I just called shack bat this is crazy next up Jason Tatum or Alan Iverson I'm crazy we're just being mean

somebody just doesn't like Jason Tatum here oh man we're going with Has Tatum been in the league long enough to make more than AI? He's only gone one big-ass contract. But 2023 big-ass contracts are pretty fucking big. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Guys, Jalen Brown, that's crazy. Jalen Brown's contract that he just signed is going to be like basically Shack's entire career.

It's just crazy. That is insane, right? In me, any money is different. I might want to lean towards, ah, do I want to lean towards AI because he did. have like the ups and downs towards like the end of his career where are we going donovan i'm i'm going i'm going i think i'm going tatum i just anybody who came into the league after 2016 your money's just different so i think i think i think i'm a lean tatum all right let's go tatum Jason tamm has made 88 million alan iverson 154 million y'all underestimated the boy

god damn he gives money up facts bro boy Listen, those Reebok deals, though, that might have doubled that. Oh, man. The questions were everywhere. It's called an NBA player. Please, they're my closet right now. Oh, my God.

Ew, you're right. You're right. I remember that. You got some baby blue questions I've seen them before. They're fired. At last one, Larry Bird or Zion Williamson? That picture of Zion is so medicine. Violating, bro.

It's easily Zion, though. Easily. he got a humongous bag off of doing nothing but providing like three minutes worth of highlights every single season that he's played bro so Zion I'm mean to Zion for sure he might be averaging a dunk per million

oh bad I'm going Larry Bird Nah no way you can I'm just listen I'm a zag when you're gonna zig What That's yeah Or I'm a zig whenever you're gonna zag I don't know I'm going the opposite way

I'm going, I'm going to Larry Bird. You. Zion Williamson has made $43 million so far. Larry Bird, $24 million in his career. Get your bread up, man. Oh my God, 24 M's. Bro. DeAndre Hunter makes more money than you per year.

DeAndre. Oh, my God. This man's not even making the Aiden Ross money. That's crazy. Oh, my God. That might not even be phase rug money. That's it. Facts.

Oh, bro. Wow. Yeah. 80s NBA was a criminal. There's been all that money on drug prevention in the 80s. All right, that's the end of that segment. Next thing we're going to do, I made some graphics for us, and we're going to do one got to go. You've seen this on Twitter before, there's going to be four squares or four players, and we've got to decide which one we're cutting.

Simple and plain. I love it. I love the idea. Yep. We're getting into our Twitter engagement bait bag. You know how it goes. you know what time of this one got to go which NBA player are you cutting you know why I'm going listen one of these things is not like the other three of them have rings one doesn't

Luca get out of here get out of here get out of here have to set up Luca don't just like this this is tough man but he is in this caliber isish of range he just hasn't finished yet which is tough to say but yeah it has to be Luca bro you're not better than Steph Janus is insane on both ends of the court and Yokic, like Isaac says, could be one of the three best offensive fires of all time. Whatever, bro. We heard it.

We heard it. We get it. Luca, sorry, but you're not there yet, man. Luca has to go easy. It's funny that Moe says that didn't Mo have Yogi higher on his list than you did? Listen, a way higher. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

We ain't talking about. You're a bigger munch than he is. Hey. You put Yogi at 12. Like, what the fuck? Isaac, do you want to have a munch off right now? Because we can do it. Months for month

Let's do it That's crazy This is a fucking Goated TikTok Oh man I Yeah man I agree I mean

Whatever order you want to put them in Yokish, Yonis and Steph are probably the best three players in the league right now So it's got to be Luca Yeah Much for munch Next year this might be different though

Next year this could be different We can go nibble For nibble All right Come on, man All right, next up Let's go to the next slide All right, how about this one?

This is hard For audio listeners, we got Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Anthony Davis, Damien Lillard It's like PG and Jimmy Buller are in the same tier and caliber of players Always have been throughout their career And AD and Dane You could argue the same exact thing

this is the best player here probably this is hard you can't take out dame because he's dame paul george say goodbye sorry god he has to say goodbye yep it's over yeah i think i am saying goodbye to paul george yeah like you can't say but you can't take jimmy beller out after what he just did in the playoffs like yeah he's done it twice now drug a perfectly average team to the finals paul george could never yeah paul george could never do that he did have his little run but he didn't get to the final, sadly, because he went against just straight up a better team. I mean, Dave didn't either.

You're right, but Dame Mueller is just a better player overall. So it's like... That's close. I mean, I guess I'll lean Dame, but that's not like... Dude, there's a case for Paul George. It is close, but Dame literally sent Paul George home. So he did that time. Oh, my God, you're right.

That is... Paul George's got to go. He got to go. I think that disqualifies us from ever picking Paul George or Damien Ludd in any context. That one-on-one is set up for life. We can talk about a rapper and I'm picking PG bars just because of that moment. Hey, but PG's podcast alone, I might have to lean towards that way because podcaster or versus rap career, which one's better?

Who has left more of an impact? I mean, if it's Damien Lillard's rap career, then it's podcaster. Shout to podcast P. The show. Yep. Paul George, you out of there. Next one. We got lamello ball, Tyrese Halliburton, Darius Garland, Jamal Murray.

Taking out. This is easy. And I hate that it's easy, but it has to be Lamello because he ain't done shit yet. I agree. I think it has to be Lamello as well. Yeah, he's been nothing but injured. He's been nothing but injured. We've seen Darius going to be an engine of an offense and just consistently be underrated

while also getting his props. Jamal Murray, best playoff riser of all time. And Tyrese Halliburton is one of the five best, ten best passers in the NBA. and he's another 10 is disrespectful Whatever you want to say I mean Lamella's also a one-time all-star like The Melo made it all-star the same year Darius Garland did That is true

You're absolutely right about that But at the same time what is he done after that What is he done to follow up that? Oh, he snapped his ankle basically And has Yeah I mean look but Darius Garland Darius Garland had Donovan Mitchell Evan Mowgli and Jared Allen And folded in the first round

That is true So you want to talk about what he did after that. He choked. So I think it is a conversation, but I'm still going to take Lamello out just because he was hurt last year, we're kind of like disqualify him. At the end of this year, he can easily come back in, knock one of these guys out. But for right, but for right now, I'll take the other three over Lamello. Yeah, easily, bro. Lamello's going to let mellow's unmovable next year he will be. But for now, it has to be him with what he's done. Yeah. I think eventually I think Lavello might have the highest ceiling here, Loki, but he just hasn't an

between you to do it yet so we can take him out that's spicy spicy let's see him scoring the paint first consistently stay healthy no I take it back Tyrese is a higher ceiling but Lamello's close damn man that's the episode Mo what should people comment if they're still here damn lots Donner what should they comment they should comment uh they should comment

we'll go munch for munch Okay comment that comment they going munch for munch I love the quotables for every pot I love it We'll see y'all later See y'all