The Deep 3 Podcast - We Picked NBA Playoffs Awards Winners | Ep. 145

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

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As you guys see about the title, today, we are going to do a little bit of a thought experiment. We're going to pick a winner for every single NBA award if they existed for the playoffs only. So no regular season preconceived notions strictly off what they've done through these four rounds of the playoffs we've seen so far. But before we get to that, we have a lot to talk about when it comes to what is going on in the NBA finals, the Pacers are up 2-1. They're shocking the world. They're making this a series. The whole world predicted OKC in 5.

I feel like I had to fight tooth and nail to convince you would go 6. now it's definitely one six at least we got a lot to talk about there yeah i remember during the last stream td3 tuesdays tap in hey man if you guys are aware i said initially five and then i kept i moved the goalposts and i might have to move it again yeah it feels like it's one seven right now at the very least i thought it was gonna go six that you lose game one you lose game three that's at the very least i think going seven we have a crazy series in front of us the pacer's are not an easy lick that some people over here on this side over there thought they might be out of pure hatred in their heart

which to exist as they might be we were we were arguing about one game I know but you hate the Pacer so much after the Nick series you wanted it to be a four or five game series he wanted to be a three game so I appreciate that you had to ride and let that hate guide you the hate watch isn't going well is it this this is one of the least successful hate watch you are down by a trillion right so we're gonna talk about that. React to Game 3. We're going to give you guys our NBA awards for the playoffs only and a little other surprise that we'll get to later. Yeah, man. Let's get into this reaction.

The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice. All right, Donovan. Tell us about your unsuccessful hate watch. What did you see in game three when the Pacers won this game to go up to one in the series leading to Oklahoma City Thunder in the finals. I saw one of the most frustrating and pathetic performances from the Oklahoma City Thunder what I've seen. I'm so upset because we gave them all the credit in the world for fighting out of that series in Denver and being down to one. And for you to lose game one in the way that you did, knowing that you're going to go to Indiana, knowing it's the first finals game in that building

in 25 years the place is going to be rocking they already feel like they have one up on you because they got one on your home floor they don't feel like it they do they do have one up on you they took that's very fair and true and knowing all of that to go out there and not not not only like lose the game because i've whether you lost the game or or not like i was going to be upset if they lost the game yeah to get to get beat energy wise the way that they did like that's the that was one of the biggest things that jumped off the screen to me was like Indiana is playing thunder basketball. They look caffeinated. Yeah, they are they are pressuring you guys the entire game. They are forcing you guys to go into your third and fourth option on every single action. They are making

they're making life difficult and seeing the amount of turnovers that that Oklahoma City had had to turn over on the first possession of the game, right? Shea has an offensive foul. You see Jaylon Williams just throwing bad passes. It's like, I'm going to need you guys to lock in and they never did in the way that they needed to to get to get this game. And so consider it like considering all the circumstances. Yeah. It is it is frustrating and it is like I say pathetic because I was like upset. But it is like how does this happen again in this state? When it comes to Indiana Pacers from me, something that I am now crowning them. They are the most energetic team that the NBA has to offer.

Oh, yeah. That is their biggest strength. Like, you were saying that they're playing Thunder Basketball. Yeah, I agree with you. And I think the biggest thing that's completely shocked me for the entirety of the playoffs

is seeing how they've incrementally gone much better and better and better as a defensive team because naturally they don't have the personnel. Like, yeah, like one of their best defenders is Pascal Siakwin, Aaron Needsmith. We all know that.

Nem Harder as well, he gets like a ton of credit. Miles Turner has forever been a great shotbacker. since he walked into the league. But even, like, within himself, he's had, he has, like, serious flaws as a defender. Tyrese Halliborne, he's gotten plenty of flack in the past. But for some reason, like, all those things, all these mishaps and just natural disadvantages that some of these guys have defensively, Tyres Halliburne and Miles Turner, they just, like,

don't feel like real disadvantages anymore. And how they've, the scheme that they've been running defensively and the buy-in as well is just ridiculous. and I give upmost credit to them for just like completely changed our identity on that end. Yeah, you met you started this conversation by saying it's an embarrassing by the Oklahoma City Thunder. How dare you lose? I think what the fuck? I'm looking at a complete opposite.

This is an amazing performance by the Pacers. I don't even feel like it's that bad of a performance in the Thunder. Obviously, they didn't perform well. But I think game one they lost because they choked. They didn't execute well. I don't think the Pacers defense did a great job in game one. The Thunder, it was really just shot making, right? They really beat themselves in the fourth quarter when they went super cold.

this game was all about the Pacers having ridiculous buy and like you said ridiculous defensive intensity and you mentioned they beat them with Thunder basketball that's exactly what it felt like for the first time all playoffs I felt like the other team going into Thunder was the one who was defending on 1.5 speed was the one who had

seemingly a thousand primitive defenders that can put pressure on you all game and just dominate you with pure willpower and defensive intensity all game that was the Pacers in the game they didn't shoot well they didn't have a great offensive game they wanted to turn over battle they won with defensive intensity.

This is just an incredibly impressive win for the Pacers. Yes, any loss is a loss you don't want to see because it's the finals. But I left this thinking this was all about the Pacers, opposed to a lot of these performances when the Thunder ended up losing in the playoffs so far have been about them playing down on their competition. This felt like the opposite to me. This was an amazing win for the Pacers. Yeah, I just feel like, especially in this series,

given what Oklahoma City has gone through this entire playoff run and then what they put on tape and their resume and everything. everything for the regular season until and it's I I will acknowledge this is unfair by me but until this is hate but like until until the Pacers like win this game win this series I'm looking at I'm looking at it as like the the thunder have to go out and this like these games are on them to win you know and so I am going to look at this through their lens because we are kind of in the midst of on the road to an all time season yeah and so it's like are the thunder going to do like that's always you know top thing on my mind i i'm

i'm i'm with you though like the pacers and everything that that they did specifically t j mccano yesterday yeah was pete t j mccano bened matherin was hey man he's the guy who i said on my list he is that guy if there was ever a time to take a victory lap on benedick matherin last night today and going into game into game four is the is the time and honestly what what game three showed me is like yes i've been thinking about okay c as this all time team as you know somebody on that list just because you are an all time team does not mean that you're perfect of course and even and even though that like their formula has worked to this to the stage indiana showed like yes you yes okay see i know you have a lot of depth you don't have a guy

like Mathrim, who athletically is just like, I'm going to come off off the bench, I'm going to get everything. All of their bench guys fit very well into their scheme and do, and they can go off like Isaiah Joe can have a hot shooting game.

Aaron Wiggins, he had an amazing game this season. But to have somebody who can kind of change the pace the way that Mathrim does, I don't think OKC has that. And then also, and we've also talked about this all year long, and we are looking forward to see next year whenever Topich comes in,

you don't have anybody you don't have a second person who could do a hesy tween cross on this team and because the the dribbling and when okayc gets into like bad times the dribbling really really gets exasperated the reason shay won MVP are the biggest flaws of this team is that they just don't have a lot of ball handlers it's all about him it's pretty heliocentric this doesn't look the same way that it has for past guards to get that label but yeah they are super rely on him and jubb and jadub had a good second half shot making wise but first half my god he was fucking horrendous The decision making was insane. He was going to those difficult mid-range stepbacks

as like his primary mode of attack and it was just terrible. They were bricking and he wasn't creating any form of advantage for anybody by going to that right away. It was bad. But I don't know. I mean, I think this game is on, I mean, what you'd expect? Like, not predictable because, I mean, shot at the Pacers.

They played defensively at the level. But the home team defending their home court, the first game back. And, you know, when we talk about home court advantage, people talk about that like it's a mystical thing people just happen to play better for no reason I think it's pretty tantrum what you see one the crowd is insane and the pastures have one of the best home court advantages in the league from a crowd perspective that leads to role players playing better obviously because they're getting people cheering for them you get a matherin and a tj

mcconnell having their matherin game mccano game that happens at home all the time same thing with wiggins and last game that should be expected and yeah and the defensive intensities particularly that makes total sense of that ramps up at home like this they should win this game. This makes sense. This is kind of baked into why I thought Pacers in six initially, because I think they're good enough that they're going to get a game like this because they're not pushovers in the finals. It just makes that game one where you fold hurt that much more. It doesn't kill you. The series isn't over anything. 2-1. The Warriors came back in 22 from down 2-1. The Bucks came back in 21 from 9-2-1. It's not a dead sentence? From down 2-0.

Yeah. Yeah. But your back is up against the goddamn wall. You're sweating a little bit because you should be up to 1, but you blew that first game where you had no business losing. that now what would have been a routine okay this is the one that Pacers get suddenly it's oh whoa whoa whoa no they have the most wins now this is getting a little spooky maybe the Thunder aren't built for the bright lights yeah for the first time ever

this postseason outside of like I guess Denver in the second round but even then it feels a little bit different it feels like the Thunder have met their match when I was looking into it last night the fourth quarter specifically and how the Thunder just like fumbled everything it felt like yeah the OKC was only held

after the seven-minute mark, then you got two more buckets. Yep. Two more buckets compared to Indiana. They just had a rain to follow. They were gassed. Seven or nine field goals for Indiana. She was so tired.

Exactly. And Shay specifically in the fourth quarter, too, naturally he's going to be tied because this is a hellacious defense, unexpected defense specifically. I keep on saying, hellacious, unexpected defense that he's facing. The level of ball denial

and how up underneath his jersey they were is ridiculous. And that's something that no other team, was able to do throughout the entirety of the post system. I wouldn't say the Pacers being halacious defensively is unexpected. They've been a great defense since January 1st when they had the top net rating. People just like pretend they aren't. But what's unexpected about it is...

But what's a great defense? Me, great defense is like, oh my God. They've been top five. You're like top five. They have been top five since January 1st. So they have been a great defense. But the way they're doing it, like we saw against Janus and machine against Sheaf. Well, not anymore against Shea.

They adjusted in this game. But early in this round, it was, we're going to let you score one-on-one. We're not going to help off anybody. game two shee decimated that he diced it up this game you can tell from the jump they rash that intensity up to the top level that was clearly going to be their mo to be as aggressive as possible in the first half it wasn't working that well like the thunder were up nine she had a bad shot making game but he was playmaking he was doing his thing was completely fine but by the time we got to that fourth quarter she played 42 minutes in the game which is obviously more than usual because

they needed him offensively but every single time down the court they're trapping him 40 to 5 feet They're up in his fucking chest, going all the way down the court and pressing him in the half court. They did a really good job of doubling him on these screens and really driving him away from the basket, making him have to go around, Miles Turner, around Thomas Bryant to get to the rim, no easy downhill opportunities, which he can deal with in the first half. But you got 42 minutes of that, and they're making sure they attack you every time they get a good switch on you defensively. That's just a lot, a lot of contact to take. That worked out so well.

It's a little bit different than what they're doing in the beginning of the series, where they let him be more comfortable than they should and I don't know what to think about that element of it because Shay can and will adjust to that and how they attack these double teams but if they do that good of a job with the intensity and tiring him out all games

so these fourth quarters are a problem because conditioning isn't just going to get better yeah that's that's the part about like thunder basketball where you know whoever is on the floor you're going to get maximum effort

from them and with Shea he is he is who he is he's the MVP like I think in game four and we've seen it and you actually reference it on the stream where you're like oh yeah game three's she has not been great and so and so I I didn't necessarily want to put that on him and it was because like if if the thunderhead went up too oh I would agree with you in that yeah the patients are going to get game three at home right this is kind of how the script normally goes because game one was so crazy it kind of throws off the trajectory for the rest of the series so that's why that's why i was really really shocked that okay see didn't didn't clutch this up but the like for for shade to not have a good shot in game there's that the chat aspect of this where where he was gas too where chat had a he had a really good game too he had a bounce back game this game same thing he's gas he's driving to the basket miles turn it's like listen i am built like a grown man you are built like a college freshman You're not going to be able to go through my chest

You're not going to be able to get layups over me And especially like you look at the last possession Ted has two opportunities going to the basket Trying to go through Miles Turner's chest And the Pacers are just swarming him It's just like it's three or four pieces Yeah, around him Multiple headlights

And yeah he can't and he can't finish So you're trying to look for either J-Dub or Chet To carry you through and it's not there You have mental errors like Caruso Just straight throwing the ball To McConnell at the end of the game several times too yeah it's like what is what is going on here if you're a pacers fan this is the game to point two of why they can win this series when i say i think it's going six before i feel like

you know what you say either in five six or seven that kind of just ends up being a measurement of how good you think the opponent is you say the other teams in one in five you think they're not much of an issue they'll get a game seven you think it's anybody series six is kind of in between oh my god this cat is going crazy upstairs oh my god um to me six is like this is a very respectful team that will be in the mix it'll be a long series if things go their way and they steal a game like they didn't game one this could be seven you never know yeah the patients are on that level because they're dominance in the fourth quarter and shay and chet being gas in fourth quarter is not some fucking coincidence where they just had a bad game that's part of the plan

rick carlo does not play anybody big minutes they in the regular season we made really good really good of a point to make sure nobody's playing more than 35 minutes a game so they can deploy this depth and make it so three quarters you got us we're going to be down by 10 we don't care because by the time the fourth quarter comes, our guys' legs will be fresh, yours will be tired, and we will out-execute you in the fourth. That is their entire MO, and they've done that now in two of these three games. So there's real reason if you're a patient's fan to be optimistic. And if you are playing, like, whether it be Benedict Mathurn or Obitopin or even Tari's

haliborne, like, when you are on the court, you're going 100% breakneck speed. So you're right, that is the recipe and that is the solution. Something else in this game that really, like, stuck out to me was seeing how they, I felt like they involved Shea in a lot of actions. And again, like, that's another way to tire him out. Of course, Shea, in my mind, he needed a perfectly fine job defensively. He's a fine defensive player. And he, like, picking on him is not like a choice that you want to do in order to, like, you know, score offends or whatever.

But it's just to get those legs moving. Exactly. Have like, just burn extra calories, you know, at the end of the day. Yeah. And that adds on to the level of exertion. on his body. Yeah, the patients have a formula to win this game, and it's what we expected in that way.

And again, it comes down to the, if Tyrese Halberd makes or misses that first game shot, that really just changes how we talk about the series and who's winning because it's such a small margin right now. I do still think, okay, so he's going to win. I'm not worried. Everyone's adding me after last night. They're like, I know you're scared.

I know you're shaking. I'm like, I've seen plenty of playoff series before, 2-1 is not a fucking day on the coffin at all. Yeah, what it likes. If it's 3-1, it's cooked, you're not coming back against the patient's down 3-1. So this next game is do or die. I do think OKC still has plenty of ways

they can improve and get better in regain control of the series so I'm not worried yet but you can't just assume that that'll happen like after game one the conversation was yeah the Thunder led for the entire game

until the last shot they led you can't be worried about it right that is a they choked you need to not choke but when you have control for an entire game and you win you're gonna sleep fine at night you don't sleep fine after this game

Mark Dagnol he's gonna he's gonna wake up a tummyache I'll tell you that I think yeah it's i i am personally i'm personally i guess like worried about about the series now because don't overreact don't ever react only only because and it's the same reason why i was excited about the nix being up to i was like you're halfway there right it's not about like i a majority of the time when i talk about the thunder it is about hey we play this series if we play a hundred games in these series the thunder are going to win that none of that

matters at this point right the paces have two they have two games and if even if even if this gets to a game seven they've proven that they can go into okayc withstand whatever and when the game they've had these insane comebacks before and game sevens always just make you nervous in whatever situation it's like you can have a grant williams game and then something goes crazy but so you you also have these again these recurring things with chet and jada and all these other guys where you're like, man, like, are you guys,

are you guys going to figure it out? And you can figure it out against Denver when they're only playing six guys. Yeah. But if you're playing Indiana and they have 10 guys, then what happens? And I also am obligated to let y'all know,

at the end of the year, I will give up my grudge against Tyree's Alabama, right? The one thing that I will say about, like, awesome in in this game aside from like oh he's he's a score now whatever you know he was very very active and bought in defensively yes you know that when you are the weak link on defense and they're going they're going against you there is a measure of pride by an effort that you have to then show yes to say like yeah you can you can try this but it's not sweet and tyrant

did that last night and there were a bunch of times where he he made life difficult for whoever was going at him he forced turnovers and that is a if he's doing that for the rest of series that is that's massive yeah I agree there is a play I think in the second half where I seen someone like Tyrese Halliburton come up from behind I think it was either jadub or it may have been I think it was jadub he came from from from him from behind and he blocked his shot or at least got his hand on the ball the shot still went up but it wasn't as easy or difficult as it should have been and that goes back to just like I guess like fundamental not fundamental but like basketball philosophy and the type of players that you would want on your team and like

You know, like this team is big. This team is long. Tyrus Halliburton does, I don't think he has an insane wingspan, but he has length regardless. Yeah, he's not small. Yeah, exactly. And so he's like active. He's being super active defensively. I think what you said earlier, I think you told me that they were a top like five defense over the last 30 games.

Yeah, I'll get the exact numbers. Yes. But I see through the NBA app that they were a top, so far in the playoffs at least. They're like a top nine defense. And I feel like philosophy wise, things are just. different in buying wise too things are just absolutely insane i never seen this level of connectivity especially from some like tyrie's hollivan we were up in the living room bro game one seeing guys run whoever offense onto on tyris haliborne whoever has the ball and

if tyris haliburons on you it is your turn to fucking go see red and that's just not the case anymore it's crazy i never see this type of development yeah it's not it's nothing yeah i'm gonna give him credit for last night i don't know if it's development but like i'm I have to see it for at least two games before I call it development. You can have to see it until they raise that trophy. Maybe, maybe. But, like, everything is going, is going right for them at this point. And so you do have, you have two more games in Indiana.

You, there's like, again, I don't think that they are going to go up three one. I do think OKC is going to respond, get to two, two. We'll see what happens then. But the athleticism from Obie Topping, at times. Obie and Benedict. Yes. And when Obie is in and he's locked in, like outside of those first three minutes,

Obie's been really good for them. And his ability to just jump over everybody and get these clutch offensive rebound putbacks, that's awesome. And so, again, to have him and Benedict Mathis and turn up their athletic since the 1.5 because they are at home, that is a major... Correct.

They're eighth in cleaning the glasses defensive rating since January 1st, not top 5. Okay. Little bit off, but they were a great defense, though I meant to say. Yeah, they were eighth, not top five. Okay, yeah, that makes more sense. That makes more sense for sure. Someone who also, I give, you gave him a little bit credit.

I'm going to give him a little bit more credit again. Bennett and Matherin, he feels so, like his, so far as Tensure as an Indiana Pacer has been a fucking like rollercoaster. Obviously, he's been, when it comes to lottery picks, he is the latest one that they've had in a long ass time. And Bennett and Mathern traditionally, he doesn't play like Pacer basketball. he he is like the antithesis of that he's big he's brawling he likes to get his way he's forthful a lot of the times um i saw something interesting yesterday i know he played football in high school and also hockey so he's like he's all with throwing shoulders he's he's into that you know and it's clear his day because he likes to draw fouls and be super physical and

all that and to see him like just be the best version of himself and literally look like a lot of pick literally looked like the guy who he said back in his draft day lebrons better than me he got show me like there's just a certain level of it's like you can't mess with me that he showed and he feels like you know this is like not to go too offside but you know what he feels like what a lot of warriors fans want jonathan comming it to be on the golden state warrens i saw people talking about that yeah yeah it's like he but he kind of is like he has been treated in similar ways falling out of rotation stuff he's just having his moment now but he kind of has been treated that way i saw worries fans being like this is what happens when you empower the guy you don't make him go sit

on the bench yeah he's better than him still but yeah but like no Rick Carlo has done the same thing exactly been into math and has had to earn his minutes and i'm sure he's done that in practice in the small minutes he gets and has continued to show that he deserves have a small opportunity so when he gets a moment he can but there's been plenty of times or his ass has been glued to the bench just like for them hard bro like nam hard is the way and i think it should be that way but man he showed it yeah i think uh the point you said that you are a little worried now because they lost game one and like whatnot and that you think you hope they have more urgency now to win this game how the first two games went has a little bearing i think on what a team plays

like in their first home game like i don't i don't expect it to go differently because they lost game one so okay c is going to like turn up the power of friendship points times a thousand because they're extra motivated and win more i think this game was probably going to be patient win regardless but like i said i do think it could probably go seven now instead of six because they sold game one yeah and if that's going to happen i think it's all about how mark dagonal decides to figure out what the answer is with this big situation because obviously he started chathong grins at center to start the series instead of double big which was a good idea i think all the numbers have indicated all all playoffs that they have been better with one big and especially against a team like the pacers

who obviously are going to out shoot you they're faster than you you need to be mobile and ability to generate turnovers at a level that like is as peak as you can possibly get because the paces are a good ball protection team getting case and wallis or caruso out there helps that case and wallace has been absolutely fucking horrible in this playoffs series. So that decision, people were going to relitigate that and be like, was it the right one? It helps if Kaysen Wallace plays like he's good at basketball. That would go

a long way to make the decision look better. He's averaging like 45% true shooting. Defensively last game, he was bad off ball. He was allowing a lot of easy cuts. Obitop was running up and the court because they were blowing cross matches and transition. He has been a nightmare. So that's the answer to me, I think, is how they're going to come back

in game four. You could go back to the little big if you want. I don't necessarily think they should. maybe you have faith in case and wallace maybe you start caruso i know they've always hesitant to do that because they like to let him just go balls to the walls for small bursts and not getting foul trouble you might have to start him because it's clearly been one of your top five players yeah you might have to figure out if you're going to go to more double big lineups like you did in game two or stay i don't think they did quite as much in this game i can't remember but it felt like they did a little bit less figuring out that balance is huge because right now

case and wall is being bad is throwing a big wrench in it yeah wiggins being bad at all defensively he's throwing a wrench in it, though he's had some good offensive moments. Isaiah Joe being terrible defensively, he's throwing a wrenching it. Your depth is just getting whittled down because these guys just aren't playing well. I think that's the part of this entire series that does feel weird. It's like, y'all won 68 games. You guys are the ones that are searching for straws trying to find something. And that's why it feels weird.

And that's why at this point, I am kind of worried because I'm like, if y'all don't, the margin of error is already so, so small now, being down 2-1. and having game four on the road. If you cannot find whatever is it's supposed to happen in the next 17 hours, as we record this, your season is basically going to be done. And so Indiana has everything working for them. And I do think like, it's 100% hindsight. You probably could have went into game one

and just kept your starting lineup the way that it was instead of like trying to big brain it and then say like, oh, we're going to get out ahead of the game one. this problem before you even like knew that's what I'm saying like it is hindsight it is if it works he saved his best look for the playoffs oh it's so smart adjustment to go against you you're facing you almost won 70 games and you have something that has that has worked here I feel like pre-adjusting it's like I'm not in hindsight I don't use the the starting line of thing as like I don't think that's why necessarily it's not like they're they're

not it's not the main it's not the main reason but I agree with it still I would have kept it the same because it's like why But now, but now you've switched it. And again, Kaysen playing bad does play into it. But you already made that change until you let, like, that's, it's out your hand. And the fact that you're probably going to have, you know, all these different lineups that you keep going and keep searching for in game four, it really does feel like you're on the ropes.

And so at least from the outside looking in, it's like, you guys have to get it together right now. Yeah, yeah. And there's pressure. You're down to one. There is pressure. So I'm not saying like they shouldn't be. be like there is pressure you know that that's the way to phrase it so they had to figure it out but again we this was the same exact script as the nugget series or how they blow a game one they

should they should win then they blow one it be pretty decisively against the nuggets out executing them the second half at home but the paces are a lot better than nuggets so that adds pressure to it more so you know you're a different situation but we've seen enough of them leading in these series and enough good basketball that if game one also went like this and it was also just like the paces are clearly better than you tonight, then I would be like, oh, fuck, I don't know what the answer is. But we've seen enough that they have a plethora of different looks to go to. They decided that going small was going to be the one. They still have the ability to do more minutes going double big in this next game.

If that is what they've seen in film today, they should do. There's a lot of optionality here that while, yes, they're not as certain on what their identity is right now compared to the Pacers who just do with their one thing, they're one way. It's also an advantage to have multiple looks to go to that if one doesn't work, you have this. Like, now it comes down to if Mark Dagnol's going to find the right one. He has to prove to be ready for the moment. But there's a lot at their disposal that we'll see how his next game goes. As of now, I'm not worried. But obviously, a quarter into the next game, maybe that could change.

Yeah. I will say I'm a little worried. I'm still leaning towards OK, see, I'm sticking to my guns, obviously. But with the way they lost specifically turnovers, maybe it's just like, again, a historic thing with the way, with the mental lapses that that Caruso had, that just led to easy, easy steals for Tid McCollum, just inexcusable stuff. But I'm starting to be worried because all the other stuff and how they just showed so many hands to Shea, I feel like I haven't felt that before from any other team in the playoffs.

The last time the OKC had, I think they had like 19 or 18 turnovers was in December against a random, on a random like Tuesday, Wednesday night against New Orleans Pelicans. So this team traditionally, like their style play isn't turnover based or bound whatsoever. That's never been a humongous. pain point for them. Which is why I lean towards it's probably not going to keep happening. Obviously, it could.

Maybe the Pacers just figure something out. But we saw a similar aggressive defense against the Nuggets that worked really well against Shea. And like we said, he had a terrible game three and then figured it out and they came back. So I expect similar to happen. Not a guarantee, of course. Nothing is a guarantee.

When you're down to 1, they clearly have the capability of beating you. So they have to prove to us that I should have that faith in them, but I do still have that faith. Obviously, in game one, when the Pacers had a ton of turnover as their fans pointed to, we're not going to do that again. We don't turn it over.

And there is some variance there But I'm going to assume more often than not The generational defense will win the turnover battle Over the Pacers, even though they are shown That they have good capabilities in that end I will trust that that happening one time For the first time since when did you say? December.

Since December, I'm going to trust that's probably a fluke Just because we know that to be such an outrageous strength of the Thunder. But you never know. Yeah, exactly. It's scary. It really is scary. No, I do, I'd, yeah, I'd think

If it was three, two, it would be scary. If you're facing elimination where one more win, if it was still a one game lead, but one more, the Pacers beat you and it's over, then I would be a little spooked to one. I don't think it's that scary yet. You said like that you would feel worse if the Pacers came out and were just like better than the Thunder. In game three scenarios, because we always have that in the back of our mind of like, oh, this is how the script goes and you, you know, you get your first game at home and everybody lights up. if the thunder would have lost this game in the same way that they like lost game three against the the Timberwolves I would have felt what had that one go again I can't remember they got blown out by

40 oh this does kind of feel kind of similar to that to me like it was a wired well actually never mind because the thunder had leads in the first half yeah they had leads in the first half they came out in the second half got got a quick 6-0 run yeah retook the lead and I mean that game especially with like six minutes to go it was for the taking if we come out and the Pacers just hit seven threes in the first quarter and they're up by 30 at half time. I mean like, well, I know, I know how today's going to go. Like, it does feel worse knowing that even despite, despite how good the Pacers were playing and how bad you were or whatever, that game was, could have been had with six minutes to go

and you guys had a lot of mental lapses. That does feel worse than just, hey, they were on one tonight and we're just going to move on. Yeah, I'm not like seeking like that one was like, that was a fluky game against the rules to some extent where it was insane shot making so like 40 it's like so like that i'm not even like necessarily saying this is similar because i'm not seeking flukiness the pacers were just better tonight they just i feel similarly in that way because like and that's what that's what that's what the timble was worried because it's like no hold on but that that timbreweros game was fluky to extent with the crazy three-point shooting but they also just were better than that day so i kind

just felt like okay shop it up timbrewows you got it that's what i feel about this game too the pacers you were just better today like there's no no seeking any type of like yeah but it only happen because this this and that like you said the game was for the taking and the patients took that bitch in the fourth quarter they just out executed you they were the better team pretty much all night and kept they played their formula of coming clutch in the fourth quarter i don't feel like that's going to happen seven four times out of seven in a playoff series like we think the paces the thunder the better team overall for a reason it doesn't shock me the patient were the better team for one game at home so i both both are true i think is what i'm saying

yeah you got to i got to see something though oh for sure next year right when whoever wins the title we come back and we're doing our blind rankings of whoever is is here and let's say that the thunder pull this out and we get to 2025 show me something that makes me want to put you at two on that list instead of you know and right now like the the amount of dog that they are showing is very depleted their dog levels are it was depleted see you keep saying stuff like this because you came into this thinking the patients were easy licks the patients are not food not even easy they're not food at all they are they're just not the better team Yeah, that's why I think that's why I think that's what I'm saying you have to play like we

We cannot at the same time say that like that okay C is this all-time team and the best defense of the modern NBA And then you're out here getting diced by by by by benedict we can absolutely We can say that the okay C thunder are an all-time team and the Pacers are a very worthy opponent both can be true that they make them sweat because they're not an easy push over this Am I still go OKC in six or seven? The series, first of all, it should not, it should not go to seven. I have no idea what's going to happen at this point. You have to give the, you have to understand how good. I have, I refuse to give them credit.

I'm saying, I have no, I have no, the Pacers could take this to seven. I have no idea if it's going to, if that's going to happen, right? What I'm, what I'm saying is, what we are witnessing right now, we are halfway to one of the biggest basketball collapses in the modern NBA, in the last 25 years outside of 2016 yeah yeah one up and it is embarrassing to watch right now because we are halfway there and that's that's what that's what i'm saying again that's what that is my point i don't i don't find it embarrassing i find it to be commendable for the pacers they are just having an amazing run if they lose the series it's more good on the pacists than more

than bad on the obviously it depends on the next games go if okay c shoots 10% from three and turns it over 20 times and they just shit themselves and yeah it'll be embarrassing but this game wasn't embarrassing. The Pacers were the better team. If it's close games and the Pacers went on buzzer beaters for the next for two out of the next No, I would not be embarrassed with Thunder. I would say the Pacers are the team of goddamn destiny and this is an amazing amazing run that they should be commended on.

Not every, you're just looking at it like I think this team's X percent better and you're not looking at like contextually what's actually happening. This team is just executing and they're a worthy opponent. Every single when you think about one of the most like common mantas in NBA is like or just in general, like be a star

star in your role. The Pacers is fucking embody that. One through 10, one through nine, they embody that. O.B. Toppin, Benedict Mathurn, T.J. McConnell, they could be lower end starters on every single team in the NBA. But you coming off the bench playing 20, 25 minutes, giving you their absolute awesome. Listen, just don't let it happen. Everyone thought one team was here. I thought one team was here. And we assume this team isn't really here. Maybe this team is here. Maybe this team is just better than we thought. And they're proving that for an extended period of time. They're running through every point that everybody doubts them against. Maybe they're just really

fucking good. This team is literally breaking our brains when it comes to how we talk about this series. Exactly. You assume OK, C's fraud. Maybe the pastes are just like that and everyone is just doubting them too much. I'm not assuming the fraud. I think that I here's why here's why I believe the Thunder are still going to win this series.

Agreed. I won't say anything about the games because at this point I have no idea. Who knows right? I've no idea. I have another grand tendon. I never care about in X games as part of their prediction. It's so in the air. So much crazy it can happen like game one. We had to argue about it because that's like the discourse.

I don't give a fuck about the amount of games it takes usually. And most of the times, whenever I'm saying like five or six, it's because of games like this where like I know like it could be a close five. You can have a blowout five games or you got a close five games. Most of the time, whenever I say five games, it's like a close five games. I think you'll have a game that comes down to the wire. And like game one, game that comes down to the wire. And I'm going to assume that out of two or three of those, OKCC is going to get one.

then, you know, we'll go from there. Yeah. But whatever. But that is what I believe. I do, I think that the Thunder are the better team. I think that they are going to win this series. And I do think that if they lose this series, I think it would be a massive disappointment. Regardless of, because they could have played any of the other 29 teams.

We've seen that they are the best one. And so does wild stuff happen all the time? Yes. Should, should wild stuff happen? No. It shouldn't happen. if you are one of these all-time teams. So if it does go down like that,

yes, it is an embarrassment for them to be as good as they were and lose this series, regardless of how good the Pacers are. No, I agree with a disappointment. I'm just saying that, like, framing it that way makes it sound like they beat themselves to some extent

and not like they just played down to who we thought they could be. And I just have so much praise for the Pacers that like, if they just come in and snatch it, they snatch it. They deserve the applause. Like, I guess both can be true.

I also would be extremely disappointing in the Thunder. Obviously, is the summer, I would be massively disappointed if they don't win, just like take away all context. If they do not win the finals, I think it would be insanely disappointing and surprising. I'll be shocked. But as somebody who's watched how the games are going down, I wouldn't, that wouldn't be my only takeaway. My main takeaway would be the Pacers are incredible and we shouldn't have doubted them from the start to now. They've consistently proven that every time we say

they don't have a chance, they have a chance and they've shown that they're going to snatch whatever chance they have. To be fair. I do think that this is the only time that that we've said they don't have a chance. Well, you said they didn't have a chance against the Knicks, but that was obviously biased. Yeah, but like, but I did say like, oh, against the Cavs, when the Cavs are healthy, we didn't have a chance, but obviously weren't healthy. No, but even going into that series, I was like, don't be shocked if, like, the Pacers can come out here and do some stuff. Yeah, but you do some stuff was like push him to six. Nobody, none of us predicted that they would win the series.

I think that one's fair. Before the playoff series, everybody said they're not going to beat the Cavs. You know, but like, we completely, like, we trusted them against the butts. Well, that doesn't count the books suck ass. That's what I'm saying. So like we get to this, we get to this point. And like outside of me, everybody was saying it's a 50-50 series against them and the Nix. You had a contingency of people that, especially after game one, I was like, oh, no, the Pacers can actually win the series.

This is the first time where I'm saying like complete disrespect was on the Pacers. So to be like, yeah, they doubted it. They proved everybody wrong every step of the way. everybody was kind of like Well you're talking about us Was like kind of in their You're talking about us three The whole world

Has all had us had a lot of doubt For the Pacers Yeah You're talking about us Through what we think Yeah we have been Rather rational about the Pacers Not everybody has been

No there's been tons of doubt People were penciling In the Knicks for the finals The last time we had this level That was like Scatterbrain discourse About a team Was surpassing

All Expectations was when What year of the finals Is it 2011 or would you guys It's 2011 but you guys 2011 but even that team on 57 games they were they were like we talk a lot about how much underdog they were and they beat legends in their path but they were a great team that had just as many wins as most of those legends teams they just weren't supposed to be the heat because the heat were next level so that's probably comparable but this team only had 50 wins they finished with so it's similar to that but even another level down because they don't have a dirk they don't have a legend they don't have the high end talent that you're going to want to bet on it's pure teamwork yeah as NBA fans were just like in in 14 team work it's the worst the better of a team of we've ever seen, bro. Yeah. And as NBA fans, we're in the,

we're in, like, the most unforeseen, uncomfortable territory ever. And now we're, like, over here saying, like, damn, bro, Tyreys Hallibur. And what better than Westbrook all time. And when you're like, we're just saying, like, insane stuff. We said that I've, like, I hate that we've said now.

But this, we don't know, we generally don't know how to approach the situation other than just genuinely seeing it out, appreciating this team. One through 10, Brooke Carl, the masterpieces that he's, that he's given us. And really just like, breaking boundaries and barriers

every single one we put on them. Yeah, I have a deep admiration for this team. This team is just proving that they have, like, everything is commendable about the way they've gotten here and the way they're performing against a team that is clearly better than them on paper. So even if they win,

like obviously I'll be very disappointed that the Thunder don't win just out of like personal biases. But if it's going to be anybody, I'm loving watching this patient run. Same. This is a fantastic 10 of 10 playoff series run overall, bro.

One of my favorite ones is, shit, damn near of all time, bro, because it's so... Yeah, we're all on our toes. You can batting me, assuming I'm, like, pissed and I hate this team. I'm, like, running against them like, Dawn Who was the Knicks? I'm like, I want them to lose, but like, I'm going to join the show. I don't know.

Like, I'm not that mad about it. People were so fixated on being right, bro. That's so weird. Yeah, like, you guys will let me know if I'm wrong. You guys will yell at me and I'll have to take it to the chin. I understand. Yeah. I don't want to happen.

I want to be right. Let it be known. I do want to be right first and foremost. That is my number one priority here. You suck. But if I am going to be wrong, I am very happy to watch this patient team make history. I'm having a terrible time Like, I'll be up front with you

I want the thunder to win But I won't I'll be okay If the fishes win Yeah Oh man All right Before we get to the main part

Of the episode You got a little surprise For you guys Have a special guest Clap it up For our special guests Come on set sir Come on set

Been a minute Been a minute Yeah We got my father in the building The original The original hater. We got smooth squared in the building, smooth on smooth action. Look at that.

I know, yeah, boss. Oh, my God. You got wild. You guys wild. So as you all know, you guys like to think of me as a hater. And so the hater has a lineage, right? And so we have asked my father to come up here. I've not seen this list.

Nobody has vetted this list. I have no idea what he's going to talk about. But we have his five worst things about the NBA, the top five things that he hates about the NBA right now. Okay. Five worst things. And this is in no particular order. Okay.

But I'm going to start with the center play. And most and really the internal, the postplay of centers today. I just think it's so bad right now. I mean, outside of Yokic and, you know, and Yon, and those guys, it's just so bad. And the way the game is played right now, because there's so much space, I want the big man to be dominating.

It's like you guys got so much space to do whatever. I mean, you got like stand by the basket, get a drop step, you know, go up and down, you know, a pump fake. I mean, there's just no skill now. Can you tell us like, who is those guys? Who count in the tier of bigs you respect? You want names.

You said Janus and you said Yokic. Who else is in that tier that you, actually think are bigs that are not bitch made um is imb like that for you and beat it but um win healthy when healthy i mean there's a whole bunch of those guys who are who are skilled players but they can't stay on the court so i don't count them you know i mean i mean you have you have imb you have uh wimby you have chet i think check um he he's not big enough just yet to to do the stuff uh but even wimby um he can he he's not you get you get mad at wimby because Because Wemby has expanded his game now to be a three-point shooter.

And that was a big topic. And even I was like, you are 75, get in the paint. Correct. Do you think Wemby's a post player or no? I don't think he's a post player. Are you happy with his play style? No, I'm not happy with his play style because he needs to be in the post. We went to see the game with the Rockets and Van Fleet was pushing him.

Van Fleet was pushing him out of the, you know, out of the restricted area. I was like, what are you doing? What are you saying? It's 7 and 5 versus, you know, 6-1. And I was like, and Van Lee was just pushing them out. And I was like, this is just awful. And I was like, this can't happen. And it's just because they don't know either how to get the ball

or not calling for the ball deep enough in the post. They don't have any moves. I mean, there's no, you know, no spin pivot, no nothing, no pump fakes, no nothing. I was just like, come on. You're right there, you know, it's like. Who is the, so when you look across the league, what makes this come to your mind? Who are the weakest centers you see that you're like,

listen, don't. You guys are the weakest centers. Who are the weakest business? Rudy O'Barrant is the worst. I can't stand him. I can't stand watching the Timberwold just because of him. And it's just so bad. I'm like, you're just big for no reason.

And it's like, oh, I mean, he has no hands. He might as well not have hands. You know what I'm saying? Because he's might as well because he's not playing with hands. Our conversation, when we talk about the Timberwolves, it really is. It's just two people going back and forth. Brother. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Literally, right before we. return on the cameras, I ask you just a random question, who are a couple of NBA players that you think you legitimately have a chance against them one-on-one? You're going to lose, no matter who it is. Yeah. Who do you think you have a chance against? Why is Rudy Gobert the first name up in the room? I mean, Rudy is the biggest dude in the league.

He's the biggest dude, but I mean, I'm not saying I would win. As long as I get the ball first, I have a chance. I have a chance. Against a four-time, five-time DPO. Listen, I don't care about that. He is awful. He is awful. I mean, you just get him going left and right.

his feet's going to get together and he's on the floor i mean he just he has no hands i mean i just need to get a step i mean i'm definitely faster to him you know if we had a all out sprint i'm got him you know what i'm saying i'm not worried about it at all but i mean he's just awful i'm like oh i just can't stand watching who else is awful what are other players in the league what are the players in league that you could beat there no i mean he's the only person i probably could be i mean there are no guards i can be okay hose avarado no i can't be okay The ones that you have a chance against, players that you have a chance. You're not going to beat any of these motherfuckers,

but like players that you feel like you have a chance against at things. It's a ball boundary of your way. You get ball first. You get hot. Who else do you have a chance? Rudy's on the list. You just told us. Rudy's on the list.

We'll call this a Rudy Gobert club of bitchmen players. Give me, give me some names. Okay. Are you beaten? Are you beaten Peyton Paine Pitcher? No. He's a bucket.

He is a bucket. I'm just saying guys like closer. Thomas Bryant. Thomas Bryant. No. Again, There are no guards I'm beating. Thomas Ryan is a big man.

He's a big. Yeah. Goofy as fuck. Okay. If you don't know him, do you know Jackson Hayes? Yes. You being Jackson? He's athletic.

He's athletic. Yeah, yeah. If I get the ball first, if I get the ball first, if I get the ball first, if I get the ball first, I got a shot. I got a shot. If I get the ball first, not saying I'm going to, you know, if we're playing until 11, not saying I'm going to make, you know, 11 shots. Taco fall. Oh, yeah. Gigantic.

If you get the ball, if you don't want to talk about being fashion and somebody, guarantee you, win that check mark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every other check mark, not so sure. Um, Prime Boban. Boban's pretty good, too. He, and he's long, you know, I mean, I mean, he would have to let me shoot, you know, you know, go to free throw line and let me shoot for the three. Uh, yeah, but it's really just Rudy. I mean, I'm not, it's just really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, no one of those. He has a picture of Rudy. Even Scalabrini, you give me buckets. So grab number one. Grab number one is weak-ass big, specifically Rudy Goldberg.

Yeah, yeah. Really, really only Ridigold Bear. And even, and even Greg one is Rudy Go Bear is this. What's Greg 2? Great 2, who's my second great?

Um, and we talked about this last time. The defense. Same thing. We talk about, we talk about defense before. And, and

it's been, the defense. And this is why, I mean, it's just on my list. This playoffs have been so much better. Yeah. as far as the refs and letting them play, this has been the best playoffs I've seen in a long, long time. I mean, the New York Indiana series was great.

I thought that, I mean, I thought they let them play. Kat was just, I mean, Kat is the, he's a bad defensive player. I can't stand them because it's like, cat, you're not quick enough to go lateral. But he continues to try to go lateral against guards and a whole, and a whole bunch of people. And it's like, they're going to get around you. Just let them get around you and let the man behind you play that defense.

And he just won't do that. And that's why he gets these stupid files. That's why the reps is like, you're stupid. I'm not going to give you a call. You know, I'm not going to bail you out. You know, it's like, this is just crazy. All right. And he's one of those guys that is just like, he's a great player.

He's a great offensive player. But it's like defensively, do your job the best you can on the perimeter and then let the guy go around you. Save the foul for later. You know, it's like, you say, give people open lanes? Grab for one. Because he can't stay. He can't stay in front of him, he can't stay in front of him.

Right, too, cat. Yeah, exactly. This man hated the 2024 Minnesota to the world. I'll tell you that. If there's every team not made for him, it was that one. Yeah, and also the defense, it's like, teams are playing, and this goes to my next point, but teams want to shoot the three. And I don't think the defense is made to take away to three, because that's what

you should be doing. Because teams want to, because teams want to take the three, defense should be made to take away the three. The thing that they want to do, we should be taking that away. and I don't think that defense is structured to that. You know, we're still allowing, and I say offenses are still allowing people and teams to shoot so many threes. I mean, of course, you're going to have teams that have personnel to do it, like Celtics, you know, Golden State, you know, to a degree or whatever. But, I mean, you just can't think we have to take that away.

You have to take it away somehow. And I don't know if that's going to be more of a rule change or something like that, but we got to take, I mean, it's, it's hindering the game because nobody wants to see a bunch of threes go up. I mean, it's, it's like, I expect you to make threes. If you're wide open, I expect that. You know, you're making millions and millions of dollars. I expect you to make open threes. And if you don't, it's more of a embarrassment on you, then it is, you know, for the fan. But it's like, do you feel like NFL kickers that miss kicks are also an embracement for that reason?

Yes. You got one job, you know what I'm there? You literally got one job. I need you to be locked to. Yeah, you need to be locked there. It's like, just a time. sucker, each shit. Yeah, you need to be at like 97, 99%, you know, at all time.

You know what I mean? It needs to, you know, somebody needs to be tackling you from, you know, you know, somebody needs to be water boring. You know, so, I mean. What's grind number three? Yeah, right number three. The game is too soft. It's still soft.

And I got to take this from, you know, a mental and physicality kind of stand because, And I definitely understand this. One of my favorite quotes is hard times make strong men. That's my favorite quote too. Yeah. Hard times make strong men. Strong men make good times, good times make weak men and weak men make hard times. I read like quite every morning.

Yeah. And we see that in the NBA where you see the hard times were, you know, 60s, even part of the 80s where there were hard times. And that made basketball giants. That made men. That made, you know, magic. you know, that made Jordan, bird, all these guys. And the 90s, I think, were, you know, a really, really good time in basketball.

But then, because the time is so good, now people getting paid. Listen, what can you tell a 20-year-old that has $20 million? Nothing. You can't tell him nothing. You can't tell him to go to the gym. You can't tell him to eat right. You can't tell him to don't drink beer. You can't do nothing.

You can't do nothing for a 20-year-old who got $20 million. you can't. How do you feel about Zion Williamson? He's no good. And because he doesn't have self-discipline, and this is all on him he doesn't have self-discipline. And because he doesn't have that, he doesn't have anything. He doesn't have a motor. So what's the answer to this? How do we make these players

less soft and more discipline? You can't. We have to ride this wave. We have to ride this wave. And we're going to have to rob them. You got to rob him. You got a big deal. I got a couple of ski messes right now. I swear to God we do, you get this right, brick by brick, play by players. You know, I mean, you're going to have to, but we're going to have to ride out this current CBA because at the end of the CBA, because at the end of the CBA, I mean, these guys are going to be making $75 million at the end of the CBA, and then we'll see what happens. Then we'll see when the next CBA, you know, it's like, oh, okay, that's the money's only going up. I know.

So, yeah, if Grype 1 was the Rudy Gobert, Grape 2 is a Caronty Town to Grape, who we named this one after? Is there a zion or is there another pinnacle of soft? Listen, I don't want to say his name. Put a name to it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Do it. You got to do it.

Anthony Edwards. What? Yeah. Soft? No, I don't want to say soft. Because of discipline. Correct. No, it's not even because of discipline.

It's because of aggression. On the court? Huh? So he had an interview where he had a, he had, he had um okay what's his OG um um um Kevin Garnett Kevin Durant no no um Mike Mike Connolly right and he was like yeah you know I really felt bad about Mike Hanley you know I wanted to do it for him no I don't do it for Mike Connoley I do it for me I do it for me I do it because I hate losing more than I like team chemistry no and not in not that I don't

like team chemistry in order in order to be in these different levels in order to be in these different tiers you got to hate losing more than you love winning And I don't think that, I don't, and I don't think that for Anthony Edwards. I think that he loves to play basketball. I think that he's highly competitive, but he doesn't love losing more than he loves winning. And I think that's, and I think that he might be able to break that ceiling one day. I just don't see it in the near future. So that single interview has led you to have this much.

And no, it's not that single interview. He smiles too much for me. What? He's a nice, and he's a nice, he's a nice guy. He's a nice kid. Donovan smiles a lot, too. What's that? Don, listen.

Hey yo We get a fuck Hey yo Have you seen how we asked Whatever you're going to do this If we're doing anything competitive Don is not smiling And you guys

Smiley I guarantee you This is not competitive There's no points in here If this were If this were we were getting points for this Don wouldn't be smiling I have pictures on this I bet of him smiling

I swear to God Doing something competitive Draft yes I heard that He's like you're going to have to have the talk sorry I heard the end the interview and I saw it out like that's just somebody who's 23 who thinks that he's going to be in the Western Conference finals every single year and I and I agree and he said because he said

he's like he's like you know I'm I'm ready to be here time and time again we made it last year I can make it again and so if you are if you are that young you make it to the Western Conference finals you beat Yokic and then they trade your second best player bring in Julius Randall whole team sucks in the first half of the year then you turn it around and get back to the worst in conference finals, yeah. Like, you're going to sit there and you're going to be like, okay, well, this is just how the NBA goes. I'm going to get back here.

Like that, I think it's more of that than Anthony Edwards is soft. No, bitch. No, no, no, no, but you can't, you can't have that mindset internally, but you should be upset after the game. Mike Connolly wasn't, he wasn't smiling. Why? Because he's like, listen, I might never get back here again. I don't even know if I'm coming back next year, right?

Again, that is, that's something that you could probably only get with perspective and age. But for it, it's like, I'm going to be back here. I think I'm, I think I'm fine. And it's okay. Yeah, but that's the difference. That's the difference between I can eat and I'm hungry. That's really the difference. It's Anthony Edwards right now.

Because he's young, he can say, you know what, I got another 10, 15 years or whatever. But that's a difference between I can eat and I'm hungry. You need to be hungry at all the time. And I'm not saying everybody's going to have the Kobe mama mentality. You know, everybody's going to be a kill like Jordan. I'm not saying that. But you need to have that to really to get to the next level in the NBA because everybody's good. Everybody can play.

Everybody's in the gym shooting. But the thing that separates the players at this level is mentality. That's the only thing that separates these players at this level is mentality. That's the only thing. And if you don't have that mentality, that's the thing that's lacking from you. That's the thing that you need. everything else you're listen

he's a he's a high flyer he's a sky walker he can shoot he got better in his three point game this year he got better decision making this year he got better with his teammates he got better with leadership he got better with all those things but those things don't make the difference those things are skills and assets that you use

but the things that make the difference is the mindset that makes a difference so grab one go bear grab two cat grab three and all three for the timber was last year by the way What's two what's great for I'm gonna go with the Chris Finch gripe I'm gonna go with the all-star game

Either we get rid of the all-star game all together and this is part of mentality as well Either we get rid of the all-star game Or it just becomes one-on-one Because there's not a way to bring it I don't want to watch this this is not This is awful awful Or at least make it maybe the world versus

The world versus internal blank Because you've got to put some pressure on these guys. Again, what are you going to tell? What can you offer somebody that makes $20 million a year? It's hard to offer. I'm like, I'm going to give you another million. Okay, great. Either you want to beat this guy or you don't.

That's it. There's nothing else I can give you. The only thing I can give you is that I want to win. I'll give you the W if you win. That's it. But this All-Star game is just awful. You know, it's like, oh, they should have let. Also, they should have let Chris Ball, you know, get away with their rules and stuff like that.

They should have let them Only because he said that he asked the reps Prior If I could do this and they gave him the green light And then he did it and they disqualified him For that reason, it's free Chris Paul Correct They should have a title

If I ask you prior and you give me the go ahead I should have that in my back Okay I agree Also games easy one that makes sense Everybody's kind of agrees it's garbage now There's probably no coming back from it What's Gride 5? What did I say?

Oh, well, you got to mix the one with the three-point shoot. Yeah, skill centers, games who saw, no defense. Oh, the last one is too many threes. And that, yeah, yeah, yeah, too many threes. Celtics are right. Celtics, right, yeah. Okay. And I actually love the Celtics, but it's just too many threes.

I mean, it's just, it's almost an unwatchable game, especially since every other team can't do it, which is why Minnesota lost this year. That one game, they took as many threes as the Celtics usually take. I mean, they were in the 40s. It's like, you can't do this. And it's like, the best shots that, and I think me and Don talked about this, it's like there are tiers of shots.

The best shot that you can take in the NBA is a uncontested layup. It's an uncontested shot at the basket. Then there's uncontested shot in mid-range. Then there's an uncontested shot at three-pointer. The next one is 101 at the basket, one-on-one mid-range, one-on-one-three. Then there's multiple defenders at their basket, multiple defenders, mid-branes, and multiple defenders of three. If you're taking an uncontested three,

yes, that's a good shot because it's third on the depth shot. But there's also an uncontested two-pointer that you should be taking. And that's a better shot than an uncontested three. And the uncontested two-pointer is always there now just because of how the floor is space. And people should be taking that shot more times than not. Because it's an easiest shot. It's going to keep the flow of the game better.

It's going to do so much for the game. And then the open three will always be there for you to take. but for you not to take the open two for the open MIDI and not get excellent at taking that shot it's crazy, it's just crazy it's an easier shot and so that's what we

that's what the NBA needs to do I want to name two NBA players one's old, one's new and I want to tell me who's better okay Ben Wallace or Rudy Goldberry I know how this is going Ben Wallace it's not a question for you

it's not a question not a question and it's just because of mindset right there oh my God it's mindset I mean Rudy Go How is he in the league? And I know what? And I've never seen his, and maybe he plays better in, you know, overseas in a EuroLeague.

I have no idea. You know, he must play better in the Euro League. He's the same guy. He really? Yeah. In the Olympics? Yeah, he played better in the Olympics? I mean, he played better than Olympics.

I mean, he got Vince. Yeah, he got bits. Different game. Yeah, it makes sense. So what, there's no argument for you. Nobody can convince you ever that Rudy Gober is a better basketball player. No. What does Ben Walls do better on the court than review?

He's aggressive. He's aggressive. And he... He just be barking? Yeah, yeah. I mean, if everything that you do is aggressive, it makes other people think. What about him is aggressive? Is he aggressive attacking the paint?

He don't do that. He's not aggressive. I mean, he's aggressive getting rebounds, aggressive playing in defense. Rudy does that too. Huh? Rudy does that too. Does what? Rebounds and defense.

He's aggressive at that too. He's not aggressive at it. He's tall. That's why he's getting a rebound. He's not aggressive. You can, if two players get the ball and get their hands on the ball, the other player got the ball before Rudy there's not a time where there's not

a time where there's going to be a jump ball and Rudy's getting it there's not you know Rudy has to fall down and get his weight and roll up with the ball to get it no he's Rudy he's trash he's trash

he's trash he's trash he's trash he's trash and I like him he's a nice guy he's a nice guy you don't know Rudy I don't know him I just know his play style and it's awful he plays a nice

that's okay Magic Johnson or Steph Curry Yeah, stuff, you got it going. Wow, you got me going. But magic, I'll take magic. I'll take magic. And I think Steph Curry is the greatest shooter ever. He's the greatest shooter ever.

And the reason why he's the greatest shooter ever is because he can shoot off the dribble, which makes him so much more dangerous than anybody else, any other shooter ever. I mean, for you to be able to go boom, boom, boom, step to the left and then shoot and still be on target and still hit a high percentage, that's just the most amazing thing you can do as a shooter and he has that you know what I'm saying but I was still I would still choose magic because magic can guard every position he can go in the post

he doesn't have ankle problems and not I mean that's early in 2009 yeah you got it was still sorry you know so I would I would definitely choose magic it's not talking about injuries yeah yeah yeah he got other problems I was definitely I would still choose magic okay Charles Barkley or Anthony Davis

is going to Anthony Davis is a champion that's that's good Anthony Davis is better than Charles Barkley as a talent as a talent I think he's better than Anthony Day as a talent um Anthony Davis can't stay healthy so I mean if you if you give me one game

I'll take Anthony Edwards so what I'm hearing is you'll take AD over Barkley for one game for one game for one game yeah I'll take AD and you tell me that AD is not going to get hurt in you know in two and a half quarters you know but Charles Barkley It actually feels like the antithesis of what you hate when it comes to young players, especially him, his story when it comes to how he got drafted, him purposely gaining weight and all that,

having constant weight issues throughout. Like, he just seems like someone you would dislike. I mean, that's how he was in his early career. But like he tells that story, you know, his OG helped him out and, you know, got him, you know, in the shape and, you know, got him on the, you know, treadmill and started doing the things that he needed to do to get better. So, but AD is, I mean, he has everything. I mean, he has, if he, if he can stay healthy, even he has a, the one thing I do hate about AD is that sometimes he, he doesn't have enough aggression.

That's not all the time, but if you got a LeBron on your team, LeBron kind of soaks that in from you, you know? I mean, but when Kyrie was there in the first two and a half quarters, I mean, he was going crazy, you know? And so, I mean, if he's the, if he's the main guy, I think he can keep his aggression level high, but I mean. Alan Iverson or Shea? Two MVP's tough. Tough. That's tough. That's tough.

Because this is back on back. Yeah, exactly. I think it's Shay. Don't kill me. I think it's say. I think it's Jay too because I think Shay is more efficient. He's more efficient with the shot. Way more efficient.

Island Iverson had to take too many, too many shots to get the same amount of points. Yeah. Dang, I hate to say that. But, but, I mean, you still have to see if she's able to do this for longer than, you know, this year and going forward. If she's able to keep up this rate, then, yeah, definitely. Jason Tatum or Scotty Pippin. It's close. It's really not.

It's really not. I love Scotty. You know, I love Scotty. Yeah. Scotty is an all. I know we're the same. He's an all-timer. He's an all-time.

Godly, you know gooder. It's Tatum. Come on. It is Tatum. It is Tatum. It's Tatum. Is it hurt you to say that? Yeah, yeah.

And I'll say this about Tatum. I want Tatum to be the three-point leader of all times. So Tatum is going to, he's going to come back from injury. He'll be, he's going to miss year 27, 27 years old. He'll be back at 28. So I think he can do another 10 years in league. And then from there, he's, I think he's, I think he's 1500. I think he's 1,500 behind, no, he's 2, he's 2,500 behind, he's 2,500 behind,

Steph. That's not happening. Yeah. But he can average four three-pointers, three, made three, made three-pointers a game and catch Steph by the time Steph is done. Dennis Rodman or Zion Williamson? Come on. Stop playing.

Zion's out of here. Matter of fact, I don't think Zion should play anymore. I don't think he should play anymore. He shouldn't play anymore because he's not going to give the team the effort, and he probably was going to get hurt, and they're going to trade all these assets for him just to get him a possibility. No, if you want to see playing, play on a one-year deal, and I'll, you know. Zion on his worst day is better than Dennis Robin on his best day.

No, he's not. Absolutely. No, he's not. What is he doing better than him? He didn't get defensive rebounds. Congratulations. Playing deep, playing defense, getting in people's heads. Getting in people's heads.

He's just talking trash. And talking jumbo. Talking mess. If you can't score after that, then he did his job, right? Dennis can't score either. He can score. He just didn't have to. Okay, let's not lie now.

Let's not lie now. Dennis can score, he just didn't have to. You can say he's better. We don't got to say he can score. We don't got to say he can score. He can score. He can score. He just didn't have to. He can score in the same way like Moe can score from an open gym.

I mean, he's at the basket all the time offensive rebounds. If he had to just put it up more times than not, he could do that. But he didn't have to. And he gave the better, he gave the better shooter on his teams the ball at all times. He got offensive rebounds. Like, I can go up a lot of times. Yeah, he's physical. He can do it.

And when I say he can score, I'm saying he can probably average 14 or 15 points a game if he wanted to. But and that's a different. And here's the thing. But if you did, that's terrible basketball. Your team is horrendous if you asked him to do that. So there are three tiers of defenders, right?

So there's the big defender, the big, right? So you can't teach that, right? You're big for no reason. You're going to be in the restricted area. You're the big for no reason. You're going to be blocking shots, moving the, you know, altering shots. You're going to be that's going to be good. then you have the next tier which is the two-way player right oh I'm sorry not two-way

the next tier is the single defender who doesn't have any other responsibilities right so that player that's more like a Tony Allen there's a whole bunch of players that you only have to play defense and they can focus on a defensive end and just play defense that's the second tier and they can be great at that right then there's the third tier which is a two-way player the players like Kauai, Jordan, Braun, uh-huh, Braun, yeah, definitely Bronn, Bron is of a, uh, Clay, you know,

those, those, those, those three and D guys that, that, what you say? Could you, you, you said, you said, Kauai, Jordan, Braun, Clay. Oh, yeah. Listen, I look, Clay. Shut up, but. No, I say, I just say Clay because it's a three and D,

you know what kind of guy. But those are, those are, those are the three tiers of defense, defensive players that you have, and you'll see, you'll see, if, if the newer players or the better players of this generation, I don't think that they get to that that two-way player that they need because it takes so much energy, you know, but that's what you need to become that, you know, that defense player. So do you want to give one last closing statement?

One thing you want to get out of your chest, to all the young people in the audience out there, one thing you want them to take away from this, knowing the difference in their mindset versus yours, the PEOB they have versus yours. So one, one last. sentiment you want them to remember you got to stay hungry you have to stay hungry you can't just want to eat you can't just eat you know no you got to be hungry you know and whatever you got to do

to stay hungry do it if you got to you know deny yourself you know you know eating you know crispy creams or donuts or you know water i don't know what it is i don't know what it takes for you to stay hungry at whatever craft that you do but just stay hungry because staying hungry means that when the opportunity comes you'll take full advantage of it and also fuck where to go there. Yeah. That's made something clear. That's funny.

All right. Thanks, guys. Thanks, man. It's now time for hour two with the show, the thing you guys seen in its title. We're going to pick our NBA award winners for every single award that you typically give out at the end of the regular season, but this time just for the playoffs. So MVP, DPOI, rookie of the year, coach of the year, clutch player of the year, six man of the year, and most improved player, all for just, only.

Only exclusively how players performed in these playoffs can be first-round exit guys, can be finals guys. Whatever it means to you, only requirement is they did it in the playoffs. Okay. I have my list. You have my list? Okay. I have my list. Let's do it.

I'm glad. Let's start with... I'm prepared. Good to know. Let's start with DPOI. Who has been the defensive player here for you guys in the playoffs? I can go first. Someone who just continuously feels like no one can have an advantage on him.

and just feels like he covers a lot of ground and can affect so many levels of the court while also with that being in hand guard so many different types of players, whether it be a big, small wing and taking shit home as a defensive player of the year for the playoffs. Oh, interesting, okay.

Yeah, it's pretty easy for me. I also feel like it's not easy for me at all. I feel like it has to be a member of the OKC Thunder. That to me is easy. The defining part. I went out as Caruso over chat. I can't hate that either. Okay.

I didn't go anybody on the, Thunder. Oh, okay. Who'd you go? I went Dremont Green. Fair. That makes sense. I think like if we're just talking like in terms of value and especially in that second round series where Steph goes down 12 minutes in, they're in these games because their defense is so legit and obviously everybody is super connected. The backbone of all of that is is Dremont. And even if you go to to the first round where you know, Jimmy gets hurt a little bit, but you're playing the super athletic team and the one spot that they feel like they can get an advantage in like one-on-on-on-on-scoring is sangoon draymond's there locking him up like he makes him have a terrible game seven where now we're in

the off-season we're like dang like sangoon needs to add to his game yeah this is because draymond locked him up you know like draymond i as much as step does offensively and as as he was gone we're like wow the wars need step curry if he was not there defensively doing everything it would have looked very scary so i went with him that's fair yeah a big part of why they one round one is because of that like step had moments but he didn't have like a crazy step series the rocket's defense did a pretty good job on him not not great but like a solid job their defense completely shackled everything that makes the rockets work and how the fact that they can like win in these very specific ways that allowed them to get over the hump of the fact they

don't have great half court offense draymo shot down a lot of that uh i saw singgoon had like a 45 percent effective focal percentage for the playoffs yeah they were they were like 10 points worse defensively when Draymond was off the floor. Yeah. I'm in Caruso for all the reasons that have been talked about at length. He has been such a ridiculous weapon and just like, just this missile that they point at whoever they want on the other team and say, go give him problems. The way that he was able to not shut down Yokic, but give Yokic issues was unlike anything

you've ever seen, the Yokic's prime from a player of this size with this specific skill set to get under him. And U.S. Nuggets fan foul him every play, I guess. But be able to be smart with the amount. of aggression that playoff defenses are allowed and be able to really give yokech trouble and even if it is foul in every play know what the rest are can let you get away with against a guy of that size and be able to make use of that he was a huge part of why they're able to slow down yokech in those last few games did a great great job against the timber wolves two fantastic

performance against everybody on that roster he defended uh julius randall he defended anthony edwards and in the first couple games of this playoff series against the pacer's has also been great on offense too so i guess that doesn't count for this award but I feel like he's been their most important defender even more than Chet in his playoff run. Yeah, I feel like we were having a conversation before about like Dord versus Caruso. Oh yeah.

Like obviously they have them. And I feel like especially in this playoff run, you have seen Caruso stamp himself where at their best and at their peak, Caruso is the best defensive player like on that or perimeter. Yeah, no, yeah. Like he's there. You can say that.

I mean, obviously Chet is going to be a DPOI one day, I think. So like it's not fair to go to him too. I think Caruso has proven to the. mass audience that only watches the playoffs and like gets their main source of narrative from from this time of the year he's a defining guard defender of his generation and when you say that that means he's one of the best ever like go across the decades whatever number it is i don't know i haven't thought about this but call it 10 12 15 whatever the upper echon of perimeter defenders specifically guard size defenders he's in these conversations we've had years upon years of all the

impact data all the smart nerd stats that gauge your defensive impact and account for opponent three-point shooting luck, account for the talent around you, all those different types of things that kind of paint the best picture you can of somebody's rally impact. Caruso has always been at the top of those. Ever since, really since he left the Lakers and got a bigger role with the Bulls, he has been one of the most impactful guard defenders every single year, and now we're seeing him on his second championship level team finals run be a gigantic part of how these teams put together great defenses off of his versatility.

He's an all-time great defender. Yeah, I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you on any of those points at all. all three of these answers are super valid. Cruceau, especially too. I just feel like when it comes to someone like Chet, there are certain instances where I feel like he, I mean, he's naturally

lay the land. He is the, he is the backline defense and he touches I'm sorry. He was chugging that sausage. Oh, you're just throwing it back. God damn. Gulp a gently. God damn. Where's your, man, not

elegant at all with it. But okay, anyways. It's going to be demure and sit on in my pinky up. Yes. Go ahead. Show me. There we go. Ah. Trigger Chris Celsius.

Oh, man. But, yeah, you're not wrong with any of those points at all. I just feel like someone like Chet, if there's any point in the game where he is the ultimate answer, he is that. Crusoe, seeing what he did, I felt those ways when it comes to, like, genuine calling one of the best defenders that I've seen with my two eyes on the perimeter once that Denver series happened

I think it was maybe game six or seven probably game seven when he defended Nicole Williams. That's when it hit for me personally but I'm still taking away with that. Yeah, the Caruso thing is so it's so cool because he was just like because of the state that the Bulls were in like lost I guess

it felt like Caruso and his talents were going to be lost and just being Wasted. Yeah, on this team. But now we've seen him in 2020 with the Lakers, being able to be an integral part of their defense and being amazing there. And then now five years later, you are kind of the old head on this really young team. And you are also one of the most important defenders. And so being able, like if he, if OKC pulls this out and they get this title and Caruso has two rings and he has, oh, yeah, we do a ring culture on Caruso.

Oh, hell, yeah. We're stamping him. We're getting him with a Hall of Fame. Yeah, if Caruso is a part of these two title teams being that level of defender, that, that legit is like all-time, like you said, all-time stuff. If we can get Michael Cooper in Hall of Fame, we can get Alex Caruso in Hall of Fame. Let's get it. Let's figure it out.

Let's not do. All we got to do is get one season where he can play 36 minutes a game and win a DPOI, it's all we need. He's not getting a younger, so it's not going to happen, but it's all we need. You know, speaking of, I have Alex Caruso with my sixth man of the year as well. Wow. For the similar reasons. He's coming off the bench. He's a DPOI off the bench.

If you're DPOI comes out of the bench, he is a motherfucking six, man. There is no more viable bench player in the league. And what makes it easier to me is also how he started off his finals. I think after the game of three now, he's averaging like 13 points per game or something. But he has been shooting. He's averaging 44% in three for the entire playoffs. He's just been the best defensive dynamo off the bench in the league, a very capable three-point shooter.

His pushes in transition, he does all, he's not a good ball handler or anything. But, you know, just even just that combination of being like ultimate three and D weapon, I look across the league There's some guys that like Our traditional six man of the year picks It was a regular season You know like the bench score type of guy I don't think I'd like any of them more than Crusoe

Yeah I think the last time I asked Cruz for the six man of the year as well I think the last time that I seen someone As impactful coming off of the bench all around Like ball handling is not the strongest part of the game But part of his game at all It's quite a weakness It's definitely not like a glaring wheel and say

Oh my God get the ball out of his hands or whatnot So for me I think my biggest point was like I haven't seen six minutes so impactful to this level since like andre goddala on the warriors back in like 2015 specifically it's a great honestly it's a pretty pretty incredible comparison the defensive guy that can do a little bit of veteran playmaking bringing the offense together you can throw in the ball in the short roll a little bit he'll hit an outside jumper like he very much is this team is and dros yeah i can i can go with with caruso uh stephen adams was also on my list

for this that's a good answer too yeah you love that series today it it was it was great and i think it was so unorthodox in the way that Houston was able to just stay in that series. And even with all the athletes that they have, even with all of the defensive demons, telling Stephen Adams to be the strongest player on the floor and just get any miss. And that is, you hear so many times people, you know,

talk about, oh, their best offense is their defense or their best offense is this. Literally your best offense missing shots and having Stephen Adams be under the rim to either get files and get people in foul trouble or to get easy buckets off of that it it legit like kind of broke the way that you had to look at that series and even though that um people have been doing it this entire year you did start to especially the thunder you did start to hear like oh wow double big is back right because stephen adams is here cleaning stuff up so he was he was

on my list I can agree with you guys in Caruso but I have to show Stephen Adams love I like that I like that yeah pretty similar reason type of guy that is not the traditional six man of the year but he's a very specific impact is like vital to what they do

you can't it's comical how much offensive rebounding is important to this Rocket's team it's like in a way that's abnormal for most teams because most teams aren't so reliant on that so he definitely has outsized impact that his numbers don't necessarily scream at you yeah so man shout of Stephen Adams

That's crazy. Is there any traditional six-man-out-the-year picks that should be mentioned, like a traditional probably ball handler or a score off the bench that needs a shout-out? Really, no. I mean, you could try to list out like someone on the Pacers, but then there's like two or three guys. Yeah, they're too many guys. Have one for that.

Exactly. So there's no one that really sticks out. Russ, I guess. Russ is pretty important some of these games, but, you know, Russ Giveeth, Russ take it away. Yeah, but I feel like there's that aspect and also maybe kill Alexander Walker, but even then he wasn't He had some moments

but it wasn't high on team. Yeah. But with Russ, I feel like if the other team is, if you're getting those moments because the other team is allowing, is just straight disrespecting you, allowing you to have those moments,

then for me it's not really like, you are having this impact of the game. It's more just how everything is being played out and that is, that's what we wanted, right? So I'm not 100% on Russ. Yeah. I guess Case and Wallace could be another one

who had very strong first few rounds off the bench, but not as much as career. so yeah the pastes are just like two spread off the bench like if t j mcconnell and benedick mathern had like they did in game three of the finals often then they would be in the conversation for sure but it's been much more spread out than that yeah yeah so it's hard to say that tradition for this for this season okay well these two are easy rookie of the year for this one i think we don't do rookies on their first year in the NBA it's players who this is their first time in the playoffs so that very well could be a rookie since by default would be their first on the playoffs or a player

who just never made it before in their career i don't know know this one's kind of hard i wrote sangoon i don't feel good about that pick because i don't love what i saw but he had a lot of he had some good moments he had some games where he went crazy and you saw that like put a better offensive system around him he has capabilities as a one-on-one player that can drive offense so i win him even though it's uneven because to me it was in him or kate hunting him or like the main two rookie of the year candidates i went with kate um and it's kind of the same thing i didn't feel because because neither of them played spectacularly Yeah, I was expected.

Yeah, like their team's lost in the first round. And it clearly, and it's not even like it's their fault, but it's like you have flaws in your game. They were neutralized for the most part. This is something that like we're going to go into the offseason. You're going to work on it. You're going to get better. We're going to come back next year and it's going to be, you know, hopefully improved upon. But I think with Cade, what impressed me was the fact that he didn't shoot great in this series, but it still felt like he had a really big impact on on this team and on the offense.

And obviously that's because he is the point guard. Like he does have the ball in his hands. But to still be, you know, fairly, fairly effective, I felt like I had to give him a little bit of credit here. So I would, yeah, that's where I went. Yeah, that's true. I'll go with you. I'll go, okay. Why not?

It's such K'd average 25, 8 rebounds, 8.7 assists, 17% from 3. Yeah. And 49% from 2. So even from 2, he was not efficient. He kind of got clamped a little bit for his standard. know he's been such a ball-dominant player and played 41 minutes a game to get those stats. So I don't think he was great as to be expected for the reason you said. So I'm not slandering Kate at all.

But I think overall, his impact is probably better than Sengoon, even though Sengun had the spike games. I think play-by-play with the playmaking, Kate probably has a higher floor across the series. So I guess that's fair. But I don't know. It's kind of a toss-up. Yeah, it's damn near 50-50 for me personally. But I ended up eventually leaning towards someone like Alfred Sengun. And that's simply because of my level.

of expectation for him as a player I pretty much all of us haven't been super high on him and I felt really like low on how far he could like elevate his game in the playoffs now he didn't his efficiency was fucking trash of course

his 2% I believe was even worse than some like Kate Cunningham and that doesn't make sense it was not good it was not good I think it was like 45% or something like that something bad something it's tough yeah and but something I will say is

seeing how he played through physicality and was able to through this super muddy like the muddiest offense that you can imagine for the Houston Rock is the level of non-shooters and how his game just like doesn't compact isn't compatible with that but still finding and like shouldering his way into good offense it was really impressed to me and seeing how we competed on defense too really made me be like okay like I can legitimately like win with you

and you have impact on the game yeah he defended extremely well like he played way better defense than he did offense and he's such a weird player in that way that like he started off as offensive slanted guy baby yokech but he was a defensive liability now he's pretty good defensively at least average depending on how you feel about how much his perimeter talent like carries him in that regard and makes him look better regardless he's completely good enough not a negative at all but because of that because of the extra effort went in you saw the touch kind of go down a little bit didn't have a great offensive season so give and take with him but yeah maybe you're right maybe i should stick with singgoon because the defensive performance

was legitimately very strong. Yeah, the argument for Sangoon, I guess, would be like he's going up against a great defense and a great defender, whereas the Knicks aren't a great defense. And so to still, like, to have to play, to have to play, but like playing for, playing 41 minutes getting those numbers and being as inefficient as you were when you do have Jalen Brunson and Carl and the talents on the floor, like how, like being able to to weigh that, you can give Sang, a little bit more of a pass offensively because he's going up against, you know, a defense like that. And the best defender plays his position where as like with, with K, yes, like OG was very physical with him, did a great job. But there's still so many

opportunities and where he was able to get matchups against Kat going downhill or you can get Brunton on him. And 17% for three is. That's just bad. On top of that, too, for Sangoon, Like he has no teammates other than maybe Dillon Brooks here and there and Fredman V who can give you like he gave us like two really good shooting games But other than that like he's working with like negative space yeah So to see him be able to get a certain level of offense off while maintaining a high level of defense for his standards That's why I gave him my regular year I just I've grown it's so funny because I've gone so like Post woke on the whole spacing thing where like the whole thing

seven years ago was like spacing is so important you gotta understand that's what makes offenses go now I'm like bro we talk too much about spacing we act like everything is the end all be all about spacing like nobody can fucking function if there's not perfect spacing I hate that as a bailout but you're right especially against the warriors specifically who are probably the best team in the NBA defensively at exposing lack of spacing and playing the gaps and being able to like help and recover they're the exact team like is the worst team you want to play if you're a team that doesn't have good shooting yeah and jailing green was his go-to guy too So it's like, brother, come on now.

I really wanted to find a role player on this list that could be a rookie of the year because the two stars weren't amazing. There's really nobody else out there that is the first time in the playoffs. Every team that made a run, they've been here before and don't have any young players really contributing. I'm like, Benedict Mathrim wasn't there last year he was hurt, but I think he played before that in small amounts when he was a really young player. So he doesn't count. He also wasn't that great this playoffs until recently.

So Scotty Pippin Jr. had a couple good games as a Thunder in the first round. Maybe that could be in there. But it was a couple good games. It wasn't like, you know, the whole series. Maybe that would be enough. Very, very light, talent pool for this one. Yeah, for sure.

Experience is out here winning, and it just, it makes sense. I think it is, it is really interesting, though, like going into next year and seeing the,

the playoff, like, rookies and stuff like that, like, is, like, is Wembe gonna, gonna be in that class,

hopefully? I'd assume so, but we'll see. I was what I'm saying, but there's, I feel like, especially now with, like,

with the play in, there is, there's a, a large, a group of guys that have at least something. They've had some type of experience playing games with stakes in it. So it is kind of hard to find some people like that. Okay.

Next one. Most improved player. Who is your most improved player of these playoffs? I think this should be a sweep. Most improved player easily should have been Julius Randall because of his playoff reputation over the last few years. We talked about it. We gave him like so much flowers a couple streams ago against the Lakers and also against

the Golden State War. Warriors where he beat the fuck out as someone like Draymond Green he was he played he rose to the occasion now of course whatever happened happened in the western conference finals are going against a generational defense in okayc but knowing all the things that he went through he had definite blunders but through those blunders over the last few years of his career he he went through time and time again just horrific timing of injuries but also just playing a disgusting mighty up version of basketball his first three playoff series his effective filigal percentage I'll just do that.

I won't even do the rest of the numbers, just as efficiency, effective focal percentage. 35% in 2021. He had two series in 2023, 39% and 47%. All ass. These three playoff series,

counting the OKC series where he struggled because OKC is insane, 55% effective focal percentage, 57, 57. The biggest flaw of him, the fact that people could expose the lack of jump shot

and get him rushing out of rhythm, get him in a funk, he'll just be extremely inefficient, shoot you out of games, and so forth, completely shut that down. You mentioned against the Golden State Warriors, he ate, 25.6 rebounds, seven assists. He was a huge part of being able to keep them afloat whenever Ant was struggling a little bit because they were selling out to stop him.

He was a release valve, did an amazing job. Same thing against the Lakers. He wasn't quite as high volume of a score, but incredibly important whenever they defended Anthony Edwards aggressively. Everything we saw on that second half of the regular season when he came back from injury and they made a big adjustment to make him play as more of a role man with Gobert in the Dunker spot instead of Randall being a big space. that really unlocked him his playing making going downhill being able to set up ruddy go

bear as a playmaker and get those big to big lobs he all of that translated to playoffs i'm i'm just happy for him that he was able to to get this award from us you know because like you said for all the for all the stuff like yes there are flaws in his game but being being able to playoff toker is something different and like you can have you can have like you know just being a regular guy and just, you know, hey, who I am in the regular season is who I am in the playoffs. And for 98% of the league, if you are the same person in the playoffs that you are in the regular season, that's good enough. Yeah.

That is exactly what we're looking for. The only people that we have ever asked to, like, rise is like bronze step. Like if you're a top five player, cool, maybe. That's another conversation I'm sick of overall. Like, it's kind of similar to this basic thing where I'm like, we take these convos and these pieces of discourse and apply them way to like absolute. And when I say that, I mean the whole Playoff riser versus playoff dropper thing,

99% of the time that shit is not real. There's a few guys who do drop and do rise off of like clear specific skill sets that change in terms of how the coaches use them or how people defend them. That's what I'm saying most of the time it's matchup based. Yeah, most of time it's very small sample size

where so-and-so came out for the first time. I hate to do this. Palo Van Carroll last year. Obviously, four games. He shoots 52% from mid-range. Last year, it's okay. Riser, right? It's five games you shot.

like crazy we don't learn anything from that versus there might be somebody else who shoots with Cade shot 17% from three nobody's doing this to him but like you could say playoff dropper you can't shoot yeah both instances are just shooting variants that probably don't tell us a whole lot long term about who they are in the playoffs you know both guys like Palo had a very different performance in the second year that was the opposite of that so I'm not to get into whether or not it's bad or good but it was just completely different Kate will probably have a completely different performance next year unless you're Jamal Murray or Jared Vanderbilt who's a clear dropper unless you know those other guys

who like are clear for very specific reasons and they're they're the outside of the norm rises and droppers hardly exist yeah and for for for randall especially for second stars yo just be the release valve just be the just be mad regular and we're going to be okay right just make make sure that at the end of the season i don't look at the cap sheet and i'm like dang like we're going to have to pay him 47 million dollars this year like i don't really feel good about that You want to have a little bit of hope. And Randall, Randall did that to where this offseason, it's not about should we re-side Randall, should we do this, should we do that.

It's really about can we keep the talent around this team and around this core? Obviously, for whatever talent reason, like, do you think that Randall should be, like, do you think you can get better? Maybe. But it's not an overall question of, is he going to sink us if we just have him on the team? Yeah. Shout out to this, Randall, man. next award

Coach of the year Who wins this one Sweet Yeah This is a sweep Three two one Rid Carlisle Damn

It's Listen the other The next The next award should also be a sweep But we can do that again Yeah Coach of the year is a This one was no hesitation to me

Even though there's other coaches That deserve recognition Just on the simple nature of like I'll speak for myself But I think it applies to most people Rick Carlisleau for the last couple of years has kind of fallen by the waist up

and you think about good coaches. Early in the season, he was talked about like, what the fuck is he doing? Whenever the team was struggling and Tyrese Halliborne was bad and like they're making this clear change of playing more death focus,

I guess I'll say, putting the ball on everybody's hands and really being free flowing. I was worried. I was like, why the fuck is he doing this in such an extreme regard as deprioritizing Tyrese Halliburton?

And like, I understand the logic of wanting to have be less reliant on your star, but he's not playing well so and so. like everybody jumped to conclusions and blamed him or even if he didn't do that he just has fallen by the wayside of the discourse of great coaches this has been the single playoff run that proves he is still elite coach it's the similar way to like kawai 2019 remind everybody he's the best player or one of the best players we're at carlyle stamping in terms of coaching in the same exact way

yeah i agree i saw people having all types of talks on twitter after last night's game specifically when it comes to all the very smart adjustments that he made against his okay team and knowing how he's like transformed i said this earlier in the show he like it feels like he's transformed this team identity like within the season which is so weird to say like yeah it's and it's one of the most unforeseen turnarounds in NBA history and that's why i'm like he's clear coach of the year and when it comes to all time talks i'm so tired of having these types of conversations but wherever you want to put rick harl out in terms of head coaching stuff they win Whatever, bro.

If they win and he has the two best, or most, not say two best, if he has the two most unexpected finals of the modern NBA, Hall of Fame immediately, put him wherever you want in your all time. You can't be too high. I'm just going to say, if they win this series, him and Spolster is going to have the same amount of rings. You know what I'm saying? And not to say that he's better than Spolcher,

but to start saying the guy that everybody says, like Spow is the best, you know, top three, whatever. Yeah, yeah. Right. Top coach in Spolster. being able to have as many titles as him and to reinvent himself. And even whenever they got Pascal, I was like, oh, look at the pace. It was like going for it, adding an all-star.

That's great. Even at Pascal's peak, I don't think any of us thought Pascal was like, what, top 12? No, fuck no. Right? Like, it wasn't top 12, even now. And it's a product of how we converge, but also on a game-to-game basis, we're deciding whether or not Tyreys Halliborne is a top 15 player or not, right?

Like, it's not, for him to win this title without guys who are firmly stamped in top seven status and to do this, to make it to the conference finals back to back here, it's obviously this last year, but whatever, to have that. And then to build upon that this year and get them here, that would, it would be insane. Yeah, and as of recording this, they're currently leading 2-1 over OKC. This comes out Friday, so game 3-3 will have happened by the time you watch this probably. They might be up 3-1 or might be 2-2. Regardless of the fact, the reason as of us recording this today that they're up 2-1, is mostly Rick Carlyle putting Mark Dagnall on a goddamn blender

Like he has mostly been the biggest reason For the difference in the series so far And the adjustments he's made It's so clear I don't even think there's a close second In Coach of the Year Because the other teams that made a deep run Chris Finch hell nah

Well I guess he had a good series Against the Lakers But it's Chris Finch Hell nah Mark Dagnon, fuck no I don't think he's been He's had some learning curves To say the least

He's had some issues over the course The playoffs hasn't been horrible But hasn't been perfect Tim got fired Tim got fucking fired He got fucking fired Everybody else like Maybe there's a second round team

Maybe Steve Kerr did there to shout For getting out of the first round Maybe you can You can Like Rick Adelman Is like yeah Definitely He's a second

He's second He's second Who else made the second round I also email you don't Probably deserve some credit too For losing the first round sure I mean he did what he could do Yeah sure

But like it's not coached the year worthy You know we're talking about it He wasn't bad But yeah Rick Adelman's the second one I think Yeah And then Dagnol gets third by the fault because he's in the finals.

Yeah. And we're harsh on him because we have expectations but he hasn't been atrocious. We just need him to be perfect to not sell. But yeah, that's the top three.

But Carlisle is so clear everybody. Man. Yeah, he's that, he's that, he's one of the reason the other one is because they are performing devil magic and they have the other guy who should be a sweep on our list. Speaking of,

clutch player of the year, obviously regular season was Jalen Brunson. He came out of the playoffs. Did Jainlin Brunson things. was very clutch for the most part hard-fought series they beat the Celtics off of pretty clutch performances game winner against the Knicks I mean against the pistons series winner series winner yeah surely he's a clutch play the year again right cross the sars Thompson out of the frame to win the series surely he's the pick for you right yeah has to be can't be lord god damn no is that is that

Tyree's haliborne's music oh yeah the haliband has struck four times in this playoffs Tyreys Halliburgic clutch player of the year for the playoffs so clearly The conversation isn't is he the clutch player of the year It's is this one of the most clutch playoff runs I've ever seen from a star player Because it is outrageous Every single playoff series they've had a ridiculous comeback Where you know every the NBA.com has like the lead visualizer And it gives you a percentage chance

I think ESPN.com actually has a percentage chance of everybody's win probability at every point of the game Every single series has it has included one game where the Pacers had like a 1% win probability in the fourth quarter and they won those motherfuckers off of Tyrese Halliburton going apes shit in these fourth quarters being ridiculously clutch, hitting multiple game winning shots

and leading multiple game winning comebacks even if it wasn't the final shot. Legendary shit. It's not even in the fourth quarter. It's like in the last minute and a half of these games where they're down nine, down seven, games that you just should not win. And to have a game winner,

every single series is wild. Fun fact. Since tracking begins, in 1997, no one has ever hit more than two shots to tie or take the lead in the last five seconds of a single playoff run. Tyrese has done, nope, not even run.

Tyrese has done that four times. Ridiculous. Do you have the other one? Do you have the other name? No, I don't have the other name. Outrageous here. And the talk is obviously so much revolving on like, is Tyrese howlimate top ten player? Is he not? I don't even

care right now. We'll discuss that in the summer. He is a top ten player for the playoffs. I'll tell you that off the nature of just winning games by himself in the fourth quarter like the proof is in the pudding we'll get to the playoffs we'll have the moment behind us we'll sit down like do I really think he's better

than Devin Boehru do I really think he's better than Jaylon Brown whatever the names are that you consider him for right now he deserves all the hype he's getting. LeBron gets cut off by the top clock like five seconds. Yeah he's barely cut off with one's there but yeah

he's been asked at yeah but yeah like it's not even much to say like he is just the close player right now and like jalen brunson would have been a fine second pick that doesn't compare you doesn't compare though and every normal year he is doesn't compare the single year he is except for this this is not a normal year this guy might win the finals and a big part of it is him being so clutch this is the it is the it's the

clutches run if they win the finals and I'm thinking about it I don't even care if they win the final it's the clutches oh for sure but if they win the finals it predict in the future it will probably come down to the fact they hit that game winner in game one that'll probably unless they win in five and they would one regardless and they shown to us that they're just going to be the way better team which is possible i suppose if it's a close series they win in six or seven it'll probably come down the fact he had a game winner in game one even even at at this point right if they go like if they go up three one on friday oh yeah if they go up three one on friday and they end up closing out in five

i'm still going to look to game one because it's like it could have been two two going into game five no matter what happens the the first image of this series being tyrese halliburn having a terrible game and then still coming out gaming them on the road coming back down from like from 1920 whatever the lead was it it's shaped the series already that would be such a crazy

inflection point if they win the finals the Pacers do and like you just know that it's because he hit that game winner especially off a terrible game like I think a few of those other games too like weren't the strongest games there was some that he went ridiculous the whole game but if I remember correctly there was one or two where it was a rather pedestrian game for his standards

might have been that Milwaukee game maybe whatever was they weren't horrible games but they were rather pedestrian like box score wise for his standards and then he just fucking turns it on in the fourth quarter like it's weird in history

this player to be the best player on what might be a championship team or at the very worst will be a second place team and him not be one of the seven best players in the world there's no argument for that he is not a top tier player

but he's performing in such a ridiculously clutch way like it doesn't make sense and fit into the boxes of how we think about champions exactly like especially when it comes to his just one for one player archetype two and a lot of the weaknesses that Scouts have been pointing to his game

that still can argue so stand to this day because it's not built in when he comes to the ISO stuff or whatever but he just continuously uses every ounce of frame and just like I gotta get to this shit immediately he might get it he might he might get top 10 for me I don't know about that I'm just I think this team like I think the bigger picture should be team my line is Don from Mitchell I'm going to stand on the fact that he's better

than Don from Mitchell and unless debatable to people and people hate that hate us for that that that's going to be my line and i think don't know it is because because what haliburton does is like and he's and he he he said himself he was like people don't understand my game you know the box school watches if you're going to operate like that i i do think a major part of how we judge you on that point also is not only like watching the game but also like the results that do come out of it and this this is back-to-back years that a Tyreys Halliburton, you know, led team has made it to the conference

finals or more. And so just having that amount of success, there is something there to where you say, like, he does have this over ex-ex player, you know, whatever. I don't, depending on how much percentage you want to give that into your overall rankings, you can decide that. But

being in these positions consistently does matter. He's undebatably top 15 to me. And I lean like number 12 or something like that at top of my head. We'll see if what, it's going to be like him versus the old Hey, it's like, do I want to put him about Kevin Durant? That sounds crazy, but, you know, Kevin Durant's old as fuck, so I don't know. Yeah. But he's in that professional.

He's all-MBA level. Clearly will be that. It deserves that respect. I agree. Last one, at least, we have the MVP, which I don't know if it's cut and dry. I know my answer. Probably won't surprise you. But everything we just said about Tyrese Halliburton, well, and why he got a clutch player

of the year, you could argue that's also making the most valuable player, the fact they're in the finals, up to you when as a reporting. I went, Shea. for the same reasons he won in the regular season he's largely been incredible nothing changed for me i still think they'll win the series that could age poorly they could lose a series that's very very within the realm of possibility at this point so i i i'm open to other arguments but i went she yeah i i went she as well i think comparing these players one for one if tyrus halbern is the second option she has to answer the toughest question every single time through every single

minute of the game it's just not like he could do it within the last three minutes or the first like the first three opening minutes of the third quarter. He has to have to answer all of the time. That's the best example. He's at answer so many questions in these playoff series. Their entire offensive rolls around his ability to answer the questions the defense gives him. If he cannot adjust to the new coverage defenses give him midway through the series, seemingly every time in game three in which he struggles, but he always comes back in game four and has

an answer and dice his teams up and they're winning these series, the team would be dead on arrival if he didn't have it in him. But time after time again, he's adjusted against the nuggets. they double teamed him to an extreme degree he beat you as a passer and so got to his spots against the Timberwolves they went the opposite route said you're going to have to beat us as a score cooked them we'll see what it looks like now

against the Patriot is deep into the series but he's found a way to diagnose what he's needed for him every single time in different ways every single series it's kind of like the argument for why people wanted Yokch over him in the regular season where like he is the end-all be-all for that Nuggets team

that's been Shea for this team in the playoffs that's why I won't with Yokich I want a Yokch? Wow because I do think I mean, Yokin's is, he's the same thing. He's the end-all be-all. And I look at, I look at the first round. And that was a series that not only did I not expect them.

I didn't expect them to win in that series. Yeah. And for the first four games, I do feel like the clippers played better basketball more consistently than they did. But you look up, it's a close series. And you look up and the nuggets are out here winning games. And it's like, wow. Why are we doing this? Partly because of Aaron Gordon.

Also because Yokin's is out here controlling everything. I don't think that he had his best, his best, like, statistical playoffs or anything like that. He had, like, Dubots was making him work in the second round. He had some of his worst playoff games ever. But the first round to win that series. And then I don't think that they should have been in that series against OKC. To push that to game seven when Michael,

Porter Jr. is playing with one shoulder and Aaron Gordon eventually gets hurt and to keep doing all of this. Even as he's playing poorly, everything that OKC did had to be revolved around how are we going to like somehow neutralize him. And they had to go deep, deep, deep, deep into the bag of yeah, let's get Caruso and put him on there and do that. They forced OKC to the absolute limit. I think that all of that is because of Yokic. Also, Yokish defended incredibly well in these playoffs like way better he did in the regular season and which he had a not one of his strongest defensive years you know the effort wane because he has such a ridiculous usage he put in every ounce of effort every game he did great against the thunder he was a big part of why they

were able to wall out to paint and make she beat you as a shooter and as a passer with these double teams his hands were amazing in these interior passes he really give shay issues there and he did well against the clippers he just was the best version of himself seen defensively i think for these two rounds. Yeah. And all the all the talk also is, you know, the intangible stuff, at least what's visible to us, all of that also went up a level where you see him getting guys more, you know, more ride up and more dialed in. You see him leading huddles and stuff. And stuff that people also, you know, reported on in terms of, hey, we're seeing a different level from Yokic in terms of his buy-in and his leadership and all that stuff. So I'm, he's my MVP for this

playoff. With that being said, Shay outplayed him in that series. And Shay made it further and went crazy in every series so far and is going to have the same arguments he did in the regular season i still feel like it's him and and now i'm thinking about it if he's your playoff pick why isn't he a regular season pick because all those things apply yeah she's had a couple slow like he had a he didn't have a great um memphis series like he he got he got better he got better as the games went along the first two games weren't amazing they're bad they were bad for his Yeah, and you had poor games again in the Denver series. You get to the conference finals.

They wiped the floor with Minnesota, right? Everything was working there. But you have a not a great-shea game in this, in game one. Game three also wasn't great. So it hasn't been as wire-to-wire as like the regular season was. Where like this, I feel like there has been a lot more moments where you're looking at Shea and the performance hasn't been up to, I guess, just the standard, the amazing standard that he set in the regular season.

And I get it. Everything in his life hasn't been consistent. Exactly. All right, man. That's all the awards we got today. MVP, Shea, Shea, Yokic, DPOI, Caruso, Chet, Draymond, Ricky the year, Sengoon, Sengoon, Kade, Coach of the Year, Carlislele-L-L-Sweep, Clutch Player of the Year, Clutch Player of the Year, Haliburton, Sweep, Six-Man of the Year, Caruso, what did you say?

What was that? Stephen Adams Most improved player Julius Randall Stephen Adams sticks out It's hilarious I don't get it

which is funny A most approved player Julius Randall sweep I like it Nice nice And with that being said Nudas is nice Crayons

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Where is your answer? There we go. Today we're going to start with talking about the man that's in the news, the seemingly most important story in basketball that every network needs to talk about above the NBA finals. We're going to talk about Kevin Durant. Again. Yep, yep, yep, we've got to do it because the Kevin Durant trade news is heating up. It seems like this is going to happen as soon as the finals end.

As soon as they feel like it's okay to announce it, Shams are going to tweet out. Kevin Durant has been traded. It's a team X, and I say team X, because there's a lot of teams currently linked to him. So today, I'm going to tell you a trade package from all the popular teams that people want him to go to, you're going to tell me, deal or no deal, from the perspective of the Sons,

would you accept this trade for Kevin Durant? Now, there will be multiple you would take, so you don't got to pick one as your ultimate destination, but does this get you over the edge knowing what we know about his perceived trade value? Just the season for Kevin Durant to move on. Let's go. For the fourth time post-warriars,

This man is a journeyman at this point It's crazy The best journeyman of all time Yeah Which is probably that's probably He probably is right Easily He's a great journey

There's no real conversation I mean Shaq was deep-for-that point This man's still top 12 player in the league At worst Probably top 10 Okay first off Kevin Durant to the Spurs For Devon Vassel

Harrison Barnes The number 14 pick in this year's draft In the 2029 first round pick Deal or no deal I'm taking that deal instantly Instantly instantly I think if I can get two first round picks Now it depends what type of protection

draw on that pick But if I can get two first-time picks for a guy who is 37 years old and does not want to be in my organization, I'm taking that. You can go. Okay. It seems like two-first-on picks is the market. It doesn't seem like it's going to be a crazy trade package, everything you said.

He's old as hell, $54 million a year. It's tough to build a team around that. So two firsts is enough for you guys. Yeah, two first is enough. Me, person, I try to haggle the sons for the, or the spurs for the number two overall pick. You can take away that 29, that 20-29 pick. I don't really care about the sell.

The only reason why he's there and he's there is for money reasons. Yeah. I would be. salivating over that number two. I'll pick if I was the sons. I would take it, but yeah, you might be salivating over it if I'm the spurs and telling you to kick motherfucking rocks. Dylan Harbour's thing. You're not getting that. You're not getting that. I'd be very, if I was the spurs, man, this would be, this would be so ideal to be able to get Kevin Durant while Wemby is still cheap. You can offset that. By the time he's ready to be

extended, that's when you pay Wemby and then KD gets cheaper. Wembe gets expensive. It makes total sense. That's the greatest all season of all time. You got KD and the number two for all pick. Facts. You get off the devil of a sale con. track which is low key not great yeah it's terrible now there we are man but yeah i'm taking i'm taking this damn i feel so bad for someone like harrison barns you tell me you got i'm getting replaced by katie again fuck man he's always in the corner i didn't even think about that he probably hates him at this exactly he makes him move over and over but okay so first off we got a deal to the spurs next up to the timber wolves would you trade kevinnerant for rudy gobert don't de vincenzo and

rob dillingham so no picks no picks but you get a center that's win now with rie go But with, you get a center that's one now with Devin Booker and Rob Dillingham is kind of like a first round pig if you squint your eyes. If you squint your eyes. You know what? I might do this if I'm, if I'm the Phoenix Suns because this insures you at least with Rudy Gobert specifically because this is like a Rudy O'Barre trade. Yeah. Think about where the Timberwolves were without Rudy Gerber. He gave them a sense of identity and stability that the Phoenix Sun specifically hasn't had since CP3 left those doors.

So if I'm the Sons, I consider that to save these next two years of Devin Booker's career. It's short-sided and not smart, but they are clearly going to operate short-sighted and not smart. So for what you want when you're rebuilding on Devin-Booker, I don't know. I'm not doing this. If I'm trading Kevin Dura, I need at least one pick. My personal market is two. If I can give a package like this where the players are actually good right now, then I'll just take one. But even in that short-sided, I see.

still have Bradley Bill on my team and it's not it's not going to work so unless I know in the back of my mind or have a deal already set up to where if I make this trade I get KD out of here and then I can trade Bradley Beal to either get first-round picks or get some more people to fit around a Devon Booker gober nucleus then I'll make the deal yeah it's no deal for this no deal I listen I know Devin Booker wants to stay he wants to win now maybe he sees Rudy go bear is a good option for that I had the privilege of watching Rudy Gober in offense this year it is only downhill from here i'm not buying it on that experience even if it gets me dante and rob no thank you no deal wow we can do better yeah and honestly at this point if i'm if i'm the son's like

we're we're a year what you're nine year 10 in on devon booker i'm a test your gangster how bad do you actually want to go how loyal are you why would you want to do that but yeah i mean if if he were to demand the timber wolves this is the only destination this isn't the worst package of the world but if it's a bidding war and katie's not going to force your hand you can do better. Katie to the Rockets for Jalen Green, Jabari Smith, the number 10 pick in this year's draft and Phoenix's own 2027 first back.

I'm taking this. I think this is a better package than what the Timberwolves could offer you. You get Jalen Green, I'm not even thinking about his name choice because he is an expiring contract next year. Jabari Smith, Jr. Yeah, he was on a two-year deal.

He just, however. Yeah, his deal was weird with a lot of like provisions and stuff like that. Yeah. Okay. Jabari Smith, Jr. is one of the most underrated players at the NBA has to offer young players specifically.

He wasn't deployed as much for the Rockets. His role was slightly diminished injuries. He was into playing in Carver Seasons, but I think he has a real future on this team. Then the 10th overall pick, and you get your own pick back? Great. Okay, so the question is,

would you do this for the Rockets' perspective or would you insist on keeping Jalen Green, including Fred Van Vleet? No. I'm keeping Fred Van Bleet over Jalen Greene. Because he fits with Kevin Durant? Yes. Okay.

I'm doing that. I know Phoenix is going to hang up. The thing that I want is that Phoenix Sun's pick. Either way, they're going to be bad. Yeah. And I know that especially in two years, if they make this deal, Bradley Bill is going to be gone. Kevin DeWrite, you just traded him to us.

And like I just said, they're going to test how loyal Devil Booker is. If he is not as loyal as they think that he is, whatever, and they are going to have all three of those guys gone, that's the number one overall pick in 2027. If you'd probably have to include, like, Reed and or Jibba Tari Smith, I mean, Tari Jason. So that's a haul. You can take the pick. I want to win now. Keep my young players. Take the pick. Yeah. You can have you can have read not tarry. Katie to the Knicks for Carl Anthony Town straight up. Would you do this? You have Kat and you have Devin Booker. You can be mid. You can stay mid. You can stay afloat. Is that worth it for the sons? That might make Devin Booker happy. This is the straight up Denver. He'd be ecstatic. Yeah. Devin Booker would be a team legend that stayed forever. Gets just enough talent to stay mid and have no expectations and be able to win games and chilling. and be a legend to the kids in Arizona. Great for Devin Booker. Terrible for the future of the Phoenix Suns.

You know what? Let's do it. Let's run this. If I don't have to give a pick to get off of that cat contract, and I know that in like three years, KD, whatever contract situation, it's going to be okay, right? Because he's going to be 40 years old.

And I can, the window's going to be closed by then, right? This is right now. I'm okay with this. We can run the lineup. From the Knicks, respect, if you're okay with this? For the Knicks, I would say yes. if you're the sons

if you're the sons i would say no i think you have to get picks back i think cat is too cat's too old like too far into his NBA career and also has proven that like he does have real deficiency so even if you're trying to make a playoff run that's not necessarily going to work out okay so i need a pick this is a big no deal to me pretty easily just from what my philosophy would be trying to rebuild the sons but i can

guarantee you they'd consider this i can guarantee this would be on the thought maybe they say no but i bet this is worthy of consideration for me if i'm the phoenix suns i'm not worried about like making deep playoff runs because that you sold that ship a long time ago through how with how you dismantled this roster it's all about can you stay afloat with no picks and i think cat can easily do that he can i'm not saying he can walk you into 50 wins or anything like that but you'll be relevant for sure i don't want to be that type of relevant personally and i understand if they do yeah and it's not it's not one to one but essentially you would have traded marrow players

and four first on picks for car antithee whatever it is it's so close i don't want to for Terry Rozier, Duncan Robinson, Nicole Yovic, I wrote Yolkich back on it, Nicole Yovic, the 20, number 20 pick in this year's draft and a 20-30 first-round pick. No, not. I mean, Yovic is interesting. He's a somewhat promising young player. That can be a role player for you, not like a star student, but you can be a good player. Number 20 pick isn't nothing.

20-30 first-time pick for Miami could be of value. I'm not doing that. No, no deal. I'm not doing that. This gets out bid, surely. Yes. This is only if he demands to go to the Miami. I'm not trading away Kevin Durant for interesting.

Yeah. I need something just a little bit more concrete than this. I'm not doing it. Terrosier has serious gambling allegations unto his name, bro. I forgot about that. He will be taken to, like, the court very soon. I forgot. They're still watching.

Yeah, exactly. He's still literally on. Like, he will be soon. Bro, yes. They're putting up cases against him. They haven't even done a sweep yet. They're on the way. Exactly.

The feds are on his case. Duncan Robinson's child until you're in your podcast. as a career. Kevin Durant to Philly for the number three pick and Paul George. If I'm the sons, please. Yes. I'm okay with that. You're taking on Paul George's contract and getting a number three pick?

So keep in mind, I put this on here hypothetically. The Philadelphia 70s would never do this. I think it would be dumb as fuck for the Sixers. But would you do this in the Sun's perspective? Kevin, Paul George's contract is horrible. So you're basically saying I get Ace Bailey or I get VJ Edgecom, wherever they prefer. I get a young block, but I also have one of the worst contracts in the league potentially. And no picks in the future.

so you're kind of stuck with him and Devin Booker being mediocre, but you have one promising young player at your core, but no ability to build on that. That's what I need. Okay. That's what I need right now. This team has no control over their picks for the rest of the decade. There's no way unless you trade KD, Booker,

Biel that you're going to get anything back. This is the only time that you're probably going to be able to 100% get a pick in the top three. Like if you trade Devin Booker, yeah, you can get first-round picks. You don't know what those picks are going to be like two, three, years from now you have an opportunity to get somebody in the building this year with this deal I would do if I'm the sons I don't know no deal for everybody for me yeah so I wouldn't pick number three in this job specifically I wouldn't say so because this draft is to me super top heavy at one and two if you had another guy in this if this was another year's draft class where like you can

stumble into like easily like several all stars then yes but right now with this specific trade with this specific draft class I wouldn't do it yeah I think there's a lot of guys that could be All-Stars, but it's not like a good bet. I like the number three pick a lot for most teams. Yeah. Not for the Suns, where it's like, the only reason you do this is you think you can get one guy that changes your trajectory. Number three pickers are teams that have like a slew of guys and you have a bet that

could be an all-star, but he's another one of the guys. If this is like your only young core, remember, that's a tough, tough pill to swallow when it's like Vijay Hedgecombe or A. Bailey is like the only two make, or Trey Johnson, I guess. Obviously, KD is getting traded and you would like to have some other stuff. But your young core is basically. going to be non-existent for the rest of the decade. This doesn't help enough for me to deal with Paul George's contract.

All the other first-on picks, especially the ones that you're getting this year, it's going to be like, you know, late lottery, outside of it. I'd rather get that. KD to the Clippers for Norm Powell, Bogdan, Derek Jones, the number 30 pick, and a 2030 first-round pick. So a lot of role players that can keep you solid, and then one bad first-round pick and one that might be really valuable in the future. If I'm the sentence, I'm taking this.

That's a lot of role players. Norm Powell has obviously come off his best year. Bogdan, I don't know if he has too much left in the tank. but maybe you get another good couple years. Derek Jones is a great role player. Number 30 pick in this draft. You know, number 30 pick could be anything. It could be another role player.

I mean, you get like a solid core around Devin Booker and you inject a certain level of stability and you give them a really good floor. I would consider this. If I'm doing this, I'm trying to find a way to reroute number 30 with Beals contract to get some more good players and hoping I can just have a bunch of good players

and Devin Booker. and just, like, figure out a unconventional way to make it work. But if I don't have that lined up, maybe no deal. Yeah. That's the, that's the rents that it just throws everything off. It's like, what is Bradley Bill still doing here, man? It's tough. You're just trying to be stable at this point.

He is. Yeah. And he's just holding you captive, man. Yeah. Okay. Next up, Kevin Rant to Memphis for Desmond Bain, Brandon Clark, and two first-on-pix. Would you do this for the Phoenix Suns? Bain and Booker.

you could do much worse. Brandon Clark is a good player. Two first-round picks, I would do this. Injured a lot. Yeah, injured a lot. Major injuries a lot. So he's just going to be their vet presence. So I'm really looking at this like Desmond Bain.

And honestly, it can't be worse than what they've been running with Nerkich at the center. Yeah. Or, you know, I'll do it. We got a deal? I think I would do it. I think I would do it. I think Bain and two first-on picks is good. Yeah, because Bain is, he's not a all-star.

obviously but he's around he's he could he's an elite level starter he's an elite starter and those two first round picks could be packaged easily into something into another bane level player potentially or it's even deaf so i like it okay and that's the last one where do you guys want to see him go what's the final prediction i should say not where do you want to see him where do you think he'll be in two weeks from now two weeks from i do think okay c loses they take and given to ran they sweep in everybody I'm going Houston Houston, okay

It really does focus Down to one of these Texas teams Doesn't it? I want to see him in Minnesota For sure That would be a movie Yeah

I don't be sick Yeah I think Yeah I go Houston I will say If they trade Rudy Gobert And have a backline defense That's dumb for Minnesota Yeah

They need Rudy Go Bear Because unless they have An eminent replacement And a three team deal And they get a Goga Or something It's like baseline decent Their defense is gonna be

A rough spot Yeah And that's why I don't know why they would even consider doing that right now. Weirdly, they need Radigo Bear. But okay, next thing we're going to do. You know, last week, we picked the best city jersey

in every single NBA team's history from the Eastern Conference. Today we're doubling back. We're finishing this segment by doing the Western Conference. So I got... Why did I just blank on how many teams are in the conference? I almost said 16.

We have 15 teams in the Western Conference. I'm going to show you every single city of Jersey they've had in the last eight years of this program. You guys picked the best one of the batch. Dipper drowned Okay First off The Trailblazers

These are so far This is a pretty good assortment Once again It's funny how every team's 2018 It's just like bland Just like a regular jersey They didn't know what they were doing yet But once they got going

There's some good ones on here My favorite might be 20-20 Agreed Cream boys We love cream It's consistent We are creamers

Yeah my brother and cream We're here again 21 is also really good Yes, I exactly. That's my second favorite one. I don't know if I liked it in the moment, but it's heavily grown on me. It looked great on court. It's not black.

It's like a dark brown. It looks like. Oh, really? Yeah, it looks real like hiky because there's a lot of outdoors in Oregon. That's like a big thing out there, a beautiful lush forest. This is like an homage to that. I like it a lot. I'm the same way.

Hate it on it in the moment. Love it right now. I'm going 21. Okay. Yeah, 20 is nicer, but it's just like a regular jersey. If we're including the spirit of what a city jersey is, and we include some idea of caring about the meaning of it. 21's answer.

Thanks. Do you guys like 23? How's that age for you? It's cool. It's okay. I don't think we liked it at the time. It's the airport one where they're the airport carpet and the PDX for the airport code. Yeah.

But it's fine to me. It's not the worst at all. Good color, but don't love the jersey. I've seen, at this point, I've seen two years of worse jerseys than 23, so I can live. Yeah. Okay. Clippers. Hits and misses.

We got Los Santos customs. Yeah. Ones in 2021 that were like an homage to the Mexican culture in the city. obviously dope 19 looks like the bus in L.A. I just remember Shane that jersey, pain. Oh yeah That's crazy crazy picture 23 I don't think that's another Mexican culture one

It has this like stained glass look on the text that looks like a church I think Or maybe something else And then 24 and 25 you got this one that looks like a barber shop This is such like a Clippers assortment Level of like jerseys So 18 to 22 are out right So forgettable bro

So forgettable 18 and 22 were immediately out I think Yes I kind of like 23 23 grew on me a lot over the years I also like 19

the one looks at the buses Give me Give me Okay 19 works for me And shout out to the black Mexican jersey

In 21 That one has also grown on me I don't think I liked it In the moment But I'm going My pick is between

19 and 21 And I'll go With color I'll go with color If you like If you like 20 or 21 21 21's dope But I don't know

The problem Is in 1921 Is they have a blue stripe on one side and a red stripe on the other side. Do not love that. Ironically enough, I like 22 a lot. I think that might be my favorite. Safe pick.

That's a, eh. I guess. It's just the blue jersey. It's just the blue clipper's jersey. It's me. It's why. In the cursive. Curseve always gets me.

It's facts. I like 23. I'll go 23. But I'm not mad at the black one. Next up, the Los Angeles Lakers. My God, so many of these suck. Yes. Okay, so 24 is disgusting.

24 is bad. 25 is a fucking abomination 25 so funny like they stopped wearing that dish They're like we're bad our bad It's ugly and it brought bad karma Because they kept losing in it 23 is very plain

23 looks like a flea market jersey It doesn't look real 22's hard 23 does look like It was one of them jerse that they just sent to Africa So the obvious answer is 18 It's the black mama jersey That goes without saying

Second place I kind of like the 2021 ones dedicated to Shaq I knew you like Yeah, 18's a hitter for me, 21's a hitter. 21's amazing, 21's amazing. It's fire, yeah. Honestly, they're all pretty good except for the last three. 24 is just so irritating.

Do you know they're bringing the back next year? That's their city jersey for next year? That's irritating. Yeah, a lot of them were leaked this year. All of next year, they're bringing back ones or doing slight renditions of ones they've already brought before. But the whole theme for the year is bringing stuff back. They're doing that exact jersey. Bullshit.

You know why? Because LeBron loves black jerseys famously. And that's the black one he's head. I love that day. This is fire. 24 is the best. 18 is clearly the best. Next one.

The Dallas Mavericks. Highs and lows. Yeah. Hys and lows. Burn 20. Burn 21. 21 looks like a Lord of the Rings. 13.

23 to me is by far the best one here. Or 25. Yeah, 21. Well, 23, 24, 25 is where they started to settle in a lot. They locked in a little bit. Exactly. But 20, man, you want subway surface too much. Bro, honestly, 18 to 22 are garbage.

That is one of the worst. your runs in city jersey history thank god they figured it out in 23 i'm going 23 as the best one me too that one's beautiful that one's beautiful that's when carrie first got there too yeah beautiful look at carrie reviving the franchise but i was it 25 is a close second 25 is beautiful on court the white and silver i love it yeah i like 25 too the fans love 24 i don't love it it's fine you know you know why they they love it because you made the finals run in it and you made luca licks getting worn black so like he had some aura yeah he had aura in that jersey for sure next up as grizzlies they did not have one in 2020 which is weird i didn't realize it crazy wow i think

25 is my favorite yeah this is no question to me yeah it's it's a it's a it's a big gap to though i don't know 21 is dope 21 is dope 20 23 is very good for me 23 is good 22 is good too they've been cooking 22 is like a regular alternate jersey yeah 21 25 is the answer 25 is beautiful like that red and i think that's a throwback and so it's a little cheating but it's beautiful i remember when 24 came out, we were all confused. I think they were like paying, I think we read a comment and said they were paying homage to some like, to some pyramid. No, we made that up and people thought it was real.

So we were like, it looks like Egypt. What the hell? And people were like, you know, Memphis is a city in Egypt. That's not what is paying homage. We made that up. And everybody was like matter of facting us. That's obviously not. You said that and I've been running with it.

Yeah. So for the last like three years, I was like, oh yeah, Memphis and like pyramids is like, I completely made that up. I will say though, like Memphis. does for whatever reason they have a pyramid brandon the bass pro shop there yeah because Memphis was a city in Egypt or still is I think my geography sucks but it is a named after a city in Egypt so that that is why they do pyramids that was like part of why I thought that but I pretty sure 24 is not supposed to be hieroglyphs that was a complete

joke just take it and run away it bro yeah 25 is a clear answer it's gorgeous yeah you got it Denver Nuggets hmm so it's not the 5280 ones those ones need to be birded alive absolutely it is 22 is also 18 burned 18 is horrible 18 is burned the run that they had from 19 to 21 very interesting but honestly 19 to 23 are all good listen 22 22 22 gets me 23 gets me

23 the red collar it looks so good on court they won the championship in that jersey actually yeah 23 is the best all the pictures of yokish holding the finals MVP are in that jersey so it has immediate aura him holding his kidding the finals of P, aura, complete aura. And it's in that jersey. I'm going 22.

I think it's better than 203. I love the rainbow on the side. It's a nice addition. I like that color. The font on Denver is much better than in 23, in my opinion. So I'm going to go with that. Yeah, 23 is the most simplistic jersey out of them all. And I think I fuck with it the most.

It's super simple. 23 for me and the number, second place is 19. I love 19. Next up, the OKC Thunder. Another mixed bag. Dude, 18 is horrific 18 is quite fucking 21 is insane

I like 22 the most I think But it's so plain Like of course I like that the most It's just a cool white jersey Yeah 19's pretty good 9 okay No way 19 is my favorite

If you were 19 I'm gonna think you have scales Under your shirt There's not scales Those are feathers No I'm saying I'm saying if you were 19 You have scales under your jersey I want to like 21

Much more than I do I don't 21's bullshit i hate that jersey i like the concept i wish it would have worked what's the concept it looks like like the loves it's like a it's like a racing type of thing yeah i was thinking cars too but i don't know like again i might just be making that up we don't know oklahoma i really don't why would we besides native americans and casinos that's all i know about okoma and tornadoes yeah but you know what i'm going i'm going 19 yeah 19's dope that's the year they had pg and russ it's good memories attached to it as a cool team endless good bright colors good good good memories

This got bounced by Donovan Mitchell. It was a cool team. That was memorable. No, no. 18 got bounced by D. Mitch. 19 got bounced by Dames. Yeah, by damn. Oh, yeah, yeah.

You're right. 22 is nice as jersey, but it's cheating. We'll go 19. Yeah, I have no answer for this. 23 is hilarious. Just a Black Thunder jersey. I hate 18. They did not try in 23.

Where, CML Word, that 18 jersey? It was tough. New Orleans Pelicans. Okay, 18 sucks. I dislike almost all these. So whatever you guys pick would be the answer. Yeah, the top half is completely gar. What?

19 and 20 is kind of cool. I don't think it's cool at all. It's fine. It's cool. It's like a normal jersey. It's all right, but I don't like it. I think, okay, so I think 19 and 20 are cool. I think they made it better in 23.

Okay. So I'm gonna go 23 as my number one and then 22 as my number two. 24 and 25 are the best for me. Yeah, I guess I'll go 24. I didn't like it in the moment. I still don't love it. But on the court, it looks cool because you don't see the fine details. It's just a black jersey with some like neon.

It looks different. It looks unique. in this tier list I'm respecting the city elements more than I do when I'm just talking aesthetics so I respect the voodoo elements that's a cool way to tie into

New Orleans lore I guess for lack of an order forget their lore is voodoo literally their lore's pretty cool so I'll go 24 pretty cool when you start getting bloodbended

it's not cool H-town the Houston Texas Texas oh man this is very interesting okay all of these in my opinion

like 18, 19, 20 and 21, boo. 22 and 23, you got it. You know. That's kind of cheating, yeah, that's a throwback. We can't pick them. Well, we did that for Memphis in 25.

I acknowledged it. And you still picked it. That's an amazing jersey. I'll let myself be a hypocrite for that one. This one's not good enough for me to cheat. And also, oh, no, no, no, actually, I didn't say that. The Memphis one is a throwback of like an alternate jersey. This is just like a throwback of their main jerseys.

Obviously, it's a little difference, reminiscent, but it's like, that's just a throwback of one of their old brandings. Do you think I care? I care. No, I'm going 22 and 23. 24 is a hitter for me. I agree. It is very nice.

The court that comes along with 24 and even 25, because they have the little like dunking astronaut, that if the Rockets in like four or five years decide to rebrand and do that, that should be their new love. Okay. I also like 21 in the moment. I'll be like the colors. That is the forbidden season when they have like John Wall and Christian Wood out there hooping. Oh my God.

I remember that was a duo. You're right. Also, 18 is kind of cool. I don't know. They just did, I'm assuming that says Rockets in Mandarin. The Jason Tate era. 18 is kind of cool. Stinky.

I don't like 19. 19 looks like two. We're trying to make it look a little too Chinese. It looks like cosplay. It looks a little disrespectful. There was no way for you to say that sentence without sounding disrespectful. No, no, I feel like, I think it's too on the nose. I think it looks corny.

Like, I think it's a little too like. He's like, I'm sick of him, man. I'm sick of it. I know who I go I can't be I can't read I don't like it What I mean is like

It's like it's like It's like a clipper jersey With the Lakers With the Mexican writing Have like fucking They're trying a little bit too hard Yeah If they had like the flag

Of Mexico on it I'd be like You're doing a little much It's a little much It's kind of feel about that But I like 18 I think 18's a nice balance Okay

The Sacramento Kings These are horrible Dude 23 Burn that shit bro 22 I guess is the best one Isn't that the one that's essentially their regular jersey now? They kind of made that the regular jersey? It's kind of one like that.

I guess 24 would be the best one. Maybe. 21 is cool. 20 isn't bad. I don't like 20. The colors are good, but they have that fucking digital last text from their previous branding

where there's way too modern. Real 2010's vibe like the Buccaneers jersey for late 2015 and stuff in the NFL. Aged poorly. I'll say that font. 25 is good, but against another throwback. 24 is kind of like a throwback too, right?

You know what, 25? I think I'll go 25. because it's a throwback to the Royals, but it says kings. So that's a cool mix, I guess. It's not just an old jersey. It's not just the Kings branding with the Royals colors. That's kind of cool. It's like I see all these jerse and I'm like, man, something feels off about them.

They could have been really good, but they're just not. They all just feel short. Yeah. I hate 23 personally. Yeah, 23 is the worst for sure. I'm going 24. Okay. Utah Jazz.

Man. Didn't have one in 23? They had a run. And they know what? They found a hit and they ran with it. They are a fastball pitcher. They didn't try to throw curve balls. They didn't try to throw change us.

up 18 through 20 they stuck to their fastball we got to go with that one and we respect that they know who they are from the jump they knew that they had a good one and they kept it so and when they had to change when the NBA was like listen we can't do four years in a row they just barely change it they've heard it and we kept the same look 21 or 18 pick your poison they're both great I agree actually I go to the black one the black one is pretty cool San Antonio Spurs good god roll those you got TV static from 18 the connections missed up yeah I mean, this one is pretty easily, like, 21.

It's 21. I also, personally, I know, not everybody knows it was a way. I love 24th fires. I hate 23 with all my heart. That's, that's the Six Flags, Fiesta, Texas Jersey. It's a little too goofy. But yeah, 21 or 24 for me. 21's great.

21 might be the best for me personally, but 24 also very slept on. Dude, 24, that's a good color scheme. It's slick. I like it. It is. The one for 25 where they try to, they put that very, very light green. It throws it off. I hate that.

I don't know why they do that. I hate that. Oh, it's green. I thought it was a very, like blue it is blue but i mean it's like turquoise same thing yeah it's not good you know what it probably is it's probably the turquoise in 23 just on like low opacity yeah and i don't i don't like that especially with the orange so i'm going 20 i'm going 21 and then 24 yep those are the right answers ooh phoenix suns some very good ones here i like the valley 25 i think some people

think it's too much i like it a lot 21's probably the answer though 21's iconic yeah they're they're allegedly bringing that one back too makes sense yeah everyone's bringing stuff back yeah i like 21 a lot 20 19 is great too for me 18 is ass 19 19 is great to you yeah 19 is great super solid it's like not they don't do they didn't do too much obviously i like purple i'm a purple guy here merchant like the placement of 22 and lost sons i fuck with it i guess okay little sons wins for you i guess not me the minnesota timber wolves there's some good ones here oh 19 is fire 20's cool 21 is hard guys 22's kind of cheating guys this is I don't care if it's cheating

22 gets it 22's cool 22's good I like them all honestly 23's I see pretty I know my friend I hate 23

I hate 23 You don't like it No the font is ugly as fuck I think it's another one That's like homage to like a building there Or something I think it's homage

To their transportation system Or something Oh yeah Yeah one of those And that's why the font Is that Don't like it I understand it

Don't like it 24 is really good Minnesota is a lot of text It's a lot of letters Yeah If it said wolves 23 would be amazing But yeah

19's the answer for me pretty easily. They have so many hitters. It is the Prince Jersey. I also like 20. 20's kind of cool. I never liked it. It looked good on court.

That's the year they had Delo. I like that team. I just realized 24 and 25 is inverted. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot them. Yeah. Pretty good collection overall.

The Warriors. Remember when we interviewed Moses Moody and right after we cut off the cameras, Moses Moody's mom was all in your, not in your grill or whatever, but she was flaming you for not liking 23. Yeah, we said 23 sucks. And then the cameras went off. She's like, just so you know, it's the woman's history. jersey. And we're like, my

bad, my bad. It's still not my favorite. I don't know what I said. It's still a bad jersey. I said something on the lines of like, I wish they gave you all a better jersey or something like that. Like, I want to like it because it's women's history, but I don't like it regardless. Sorry. 23 is awful. 24. I don't like

What the hell is 19? What is 19? Like, what am I looking at? That is the bridge and above it there's some Texan, I'm assuming Mandarin. Another Asian-inspired one, or maybe Japanese, I don't know. But it's just a lot. going on on that crest right there maybe 20 is the best one blackwood navy blue is a cool not often used color combination i like 21 the most probably yeah i wonder why it's a great jersey

because it's what they don't mind it is fuck but it says oakland they don't never done that before it so yeah we'll go 21 it's saying oakland makes it pretty cool yeah 21 it is 18 is a sleeper for me i don't mind 18 oh 18's cool yeah 18 through 20 are all pretty good but yeah 21 bringing back that old school 2000 style of making to say Oakland and paying homage to the city you left. Yeah. It was pretty cool. They gave him something on the way up.

25 is so nasty. How's I see Barrymson about that? It's very disrespectful. 25 looks like it comes with a bulletproof vest. That's definitely a pauper shoulder is here. And that's the last one. Paul. What do you know about Paul Patrol?

About Cocoa Milling. Cocoa Millie. You're an expert? Not at all. I don't know about that. Next thing we're going to do. NBA King of the Hill, MVP's edition. I'm going to name two MVP.

piece you let me know who would win or who's a better player not one-on-one sometimes we do one-on-one who's a better player and we'll keep going I'll name another name and you king of the hill fashion yeah okay first off I start with the debate we done before 2005 shay or 2011 Derek rose it's 2025 Shay and I don't I don't think it's not going to be disrespectful but like it is it's decided yeah decided decidedly the better player that's fair shout out Rose but different level 2001 Alan Iverson this again is not a conversation for me. It's Shea, by a good margin too.

It's a tough conversation, but when you really look at the... Look into it, the better shooter. He's the better defender, better finisher. It's like, oh, my God. Like, you start listing out things in Shea's game. It's clear as day. We can say the efficiency isn't as big of a deal

because the era Iverson played and he had to be less efficient. That's fine. The defense could be the deciding factor. But I do know, I mean, Iverson had a lot of steals. He was not a terrible defender, but the size is a big difference.

Yeah, I think the only way that Iverson wins is if you say, whose job was harder. Yeah, but I don't care about that for this conversation. That's useless, yeah. I'll go, Shea. 2008 Kobe.

I'll go 08 Kobe here. Yeah, this is where we de-dron Shea. Shea is the closest thing to Kobe, everyone says. Well, here's the actual Kobe. Okay. 2020 Janus. See, that's a... DPOI versus one of the greatest scores

of all time. In 2008, he was incredibly skilled. He'd got to that point. And this is second MVP, Janus, right? Yes. Oh, man. Okay, I'm going 20-20 honest Who, surprising to hear you.

This is tough. You dethrone and Kobe? Listen, I haven't, I don't know. That's a tough one. That DPOI moves me too, man. I mean, it's one of those conversations. We're not allowed to say it. Yeah.

I don't think it's crazy to say, Yonis. I think I'm my leaning towards Yonis, too. It just feels so weird. I'm going to Kobe. She just let his biases get to him. And let's jump his ass go, Janus. Exactly. I can't make a.

This is. Yeah, it's a tough one. It is. 203, Joel and Bede. Or 2040 Janice? Yeah. Yonis.

No, I'll go, yeah, I'll go Yannis. Yeah, I'm going to win this one. Okay. Yeah. That one, it's pretty close. Peak Joel and Bid is amazing. Yeah.

Fair enough. Yonis is, if Yonis can be Kobe, he can be Joel and Bid. Nicole Yokich, 2024. Last year's MVP. Tough.

We're talking about again, obviously one of the best scores in the league. Why is this tough? Nicole Yokich is always been better. I, it's tough for me to dethroned us. Since he became MVP level, Nicole Yolkis has been better. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying it's tough.

I'm just saying it's tough. It is, it is, it is tough. Listen, it's the best player of a generation versus second best player. It's inherently incredibly close, but I'm going to go Yokic. I sure I have to go Yokic. But it's incredibly close. Yeah. 2014 Kevin Durant.

No, I'll go Yonkij. Yeah, still Yokch. Still Yokich, for sure. Oh, see, this is, this is tough. We have to make sure that history remembers 2014 because it's a singular MVP. It doesn't really happen again. A whole bunch of stuff happens afterwards

in terms of him going to go to state. He didn't want to chips if people forget about it. Yeah, 2014, he moves different. It's a different level of scoring and putting the team on his back. Nobody's ever been that fluid from that size while being that good of a shooter. Yeah.

But nevertheless, Yolkich wins, 2015, or 2007, Dirk. Yolkich gets it. 2007 Dirk is underrated. because people don't think like you hear 2007 dirt and you think of them choking in the in the playoffs but you do have to understand they were the number one seed out out west oh like 60 games all that yep just because dirt didn't get the ring until 2011 doesn't mean that he wasn't that great in 2007 he was better yeah so i'm i'm i'm going yokech but dirk was nasty yeah it's a good reminder yokech is the answer but salute to the other one 2015 step curry the first MVP for sure it's still It's still Nicole Yokic. That 2015 Steph Curry was when he just arrived upon a scene before he realized like, oh shit, I'm like, I'm super, super really, really like that. Yeah, he made another sizable leap before until 2016 when he had one of the best MVP's ever. Yeah, exactly.

This is like, weirdly enough, like one of the worst versions of Steph Curry. Okay. 2016 Steph Curry. Yep. Got it. Got it. It's close. It's close.

It's close, though. You can't say got it too fast. I will say it faster. 2016 step curry is it is on the like top three list of best MVP seasons of all time and with that being said yokeish you lose the last second step curry is king of the hill damn okay i'm aborted as it should be okay who is the most clutch player in the NBA at every position point guard through center who are we today who is the most clutch player in the league point guard if anyone says us says anything up here crayon to the heart

No question. Tyrese Halliburn has to be the point guard. Yeah, I think if we're doing like a last two-year sample size, it's probably Jalen Brunson. But if we're just doing today, the playoff run, Tyrese has earned the credit at least for the next two months. And if you disagree, crayon to the heart. Come on. Come on. It's a tweet.

Come on. It's today, though. We're doing just right now. If we're going to give Tyrese any praise, it has to be, you can currently be the most clutch point guard. You want a red crown to the heart, blue. I think Jaylon Brown is better overall. But if we're talking clutch, Tyrese deserves it for a little. least this summer. He does. He has a series winner this, this postseason two. A series. Tyrese has

multiple. He's not a series winner. They went a long way to help him win the series. There's too many shots than I giving the credit. Shooting guard. Jalen Burson plays the two. He plays the two. And that's how we're going to operate. You don't fuck it. Let's let's let's let's let's just pay off me. Okay, sir. Sure, why not? Let's let's just cheat. We don't usually do this. We'll put Jalenbris and the shooting guard just to appease you. Got to give you something. small forward um clutch

clutch small four specific so it's not best clutch is an interesting combo because the best small forwards are old as fuck Kauai's hardly ever available at his peak yeah PG's not Tatum's amazing I don't know if clutch is necessarily the word and Tatum's in that weird role where it's like three four also oh yeah yeah he's probably power forward really

sweet is Jimmy Butler a name that we want to throw out there I don't but I don't even think that Jimmy Butler I don't know if he's not anymore clutch yeah I don't it's not it's not like I guess we still go Kevin Durant even though he plays power forward really we can put him a small forward he hasn't had the chance because the sons are an abomination

but all things been equal it's probably still him I guess should we just go Jason Tatum put the best guy there he's had plenty of big moments came up big and plenty of big games sure even though we've seen a lot of poor shooting performances and big series he does all the other stuff and plays well in the biggest moments good defense in the clutch Jason Tainon he'd be rebounding like crazy in the fourth quarter his fourth quarter rebounds are amazing his box outs all NBA boxouts we'll put we'll

put Jason Tamis feels like a charity small Ford but we'll give it to him I yeah it is but OG and Ananovi he defends really well in the fourth quarter never mind satem Tatum Tadem Tadown has some big games uh Tatum Tadem Tadem Tadem it's just a water down position at the moment power forward We're just going off of playoffs Aaron Gorda had himself a run he had he had he had himself So Aaron Gordon had multiple game winners, right? He was making clutch buckets. If we're just, if we're going to give Tyrese the point guard off the saying concurrently right now, Aaron Gordon, he gets my book.

Yeah, but not that's not the same. Tyrese is an overwhelming force having four crazy comeback, so he gets up over that. Aaron Gordon wasn't that clutch. Should be honest, right? Yonnes is the best player, but he hasn't been to playouts for a while. Who? Oh, Aaron Gordon did. You obviously don't know.

We're not going to discuss any further. So obviously, Janus is the best power. forward he hasn't been the playoffs in a while we're going sample size stop I didn't know let me know what we're doing so is it yannis even though he hasn't necessarily had a clutch moment the playoffs in quite a while

but he is still the best player by quite a wide margin when was the last time was his clutch moment 20-tory one four years mother I couldn't get jalen brunson we had to break the rules we're going four years oh you're all but Kevin Durant Kevin Rand hasn't been there in a while

damn I kind of want to so love to Aaron Gordon man so who are we? going to go in this moment? J-dub, Jaylon Willie. God, no. Pascal Ziacom. Oh, my God.

I guess you might have to give it to Yonis. Yeah, I guess if you give people benefit of the doubt for team construction, the issues they weren't, if you're rebuilding a team right now and you talk about Power Forge, you want with the game on the line, we're probably going to pick Yonis. Four years. It's been a presidential term since we got a game winner

from Yonis in the playoffs. Oh, I mean, you want to go to Eric Gordon? That's really what the Hill? That's not. And he's proven more this season. Oh, you want to go LeBron James at Powerford? You know what, let's do it. Is he more clutch?

We can go, Brian. If we want to get an All-Star, we can put LeBron in there. Why, though? I mean, he's brought. I mean, again, this is by y'all stated. You know who I want to pick for him. Let the Aaron Gordon shit go. Yeah, it's, it's honest.

We're going to Air Gordon at the Ford. And then center, obviously. Nicole Yolich. Anthony Davis. You're playing to play off. Cool, yeah, best point in the world, Nicole Yolkits. Don't even got to say any more words. Obviously, he's the best late game performer in the NBA.

AD had to, he had to throw the game for conspiracy purposes. For the greater picture. After it, Kyrieve faith in ACL Terry. It's a very fluid conspiracy. Yeah, listen, listen. You got to suspend disbelief a little bit. Next thing we're going to do, I'm going to name an NBA player. We're going to pick their all-time starting five of teammates.

So don't count them Just the players they played with Who was in their starting five? Okay, let's do it Let's start off with the interesting one Joel Embed Okay All right so

Best Center he's ever played with Is probably Andre Drummond What I'm gonna say? Hey, isn't that Al-Horford? Oh, he did that play With Al-Horford Yeah, for a year I forgot that was a disaster

They paid him a bag Because they simply didn't want him On any other team of the East They paid the Al-Horford Stopper to not be a problem For them anymore Like 30 million, bro

It is, fuck it Al-Horford at center But he was bad for them that year But still what do you want to do with Ben Simmons's position do you want to be lenient and put him like power forward or does Ben Simmons got your point guard I think we can put him at the power forward

okay then I think we put Ben Simmons at point guard and then Tyrese and James Hardin has the back court yes that's nice Jimmy Buller a small forward fuck the team is stacked man it's a good team we're cheating with Ben Simmons a little bit but if we're willing to do that that's a good start I don't care and guess this is a nasty team ain't never been to the conference fire

damn it's crazy Hardin Maxie Jimmy Butler Ben Simmons is out of Yeah, and we talk about the bench. You got peak JJ Reddick. Oh, my God. Tobias Harris? Tobias Harris and JJ Reddy coming off the bench. Jared Baylett.

Oh, speaking of, you know what's funny. On the last week's episode, I was talking about the magic, and I accidentally called Corey Joseph. Oh, yeah. That called a DJ August. I mean, the same level of importance, right? So not only is it funny that I mixed up the two small point guards in my head. Now, what are you motherfuckers correct to me?

I'll let you rock. I was like, DJ. When you said DJ Augustine, I was just like, I've been seen him really on my TikTok for someone. I met Corey Joseph. Right after you were like, yeah, like he just got into the front office somewhere. I was like, I don't remember that by, I guess. That part is true.

He didn't get into the front office job. But I like that made me like, I don't know. I just brain farted and put the two small stories. Did you do? Yeah, at the day, he got hired by it. What team did I say? I don't remember what team you said. I just remember you said in front office job of the day.

That's why he was in my head. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Sean's two days like last week. Yeah, I met Corey Joseph. I was like, he's still in the league That's crazy

Nobody I didn't even think about it Nicole Yokic Okay so Jamal Murray at the one This is bleak bro I guess the center's DeAndre Jordan Unless you want to go with that like 17 games of boogie But Paul Milsap is at the 4

I almost forget that Aaron Gordon's the 4 Paul Millsap can't get no burn Listen Paul Millsup at the 4 Angorid at the 5 It's nasty We want to small blow I don't want to put

Yeah yeah yeah we should do that We should do that Dejjjordan is there again For conspiracy reasons True. Okay, so we'll put Aaron to the four, Paul Mills up at the five.

Michael Porger into three? Yep. KCP at the two. What about Prime Will Barton? What happened to him? Shout out Wil Barton. Six man. Bucket get her.

It's hilarious how unimpressive this is compared to Joelle and Bede's team. Yeah. Do you guys remember when the, when the KCP for Will Barton trade went down? And everyone was like, how dare you trade Will Barton? He was a legend for sure.

He was put into work for the organization. The fans loved him, bro. LeBron James. Oh, man. so stacked. Obviously, one of the most popular talked about. Dwayne Wade has to be on there.

You want to start there, shooting guard, Dwayne Wade. D-Wade at the two, Kyrie at the one. No, Luca yet. Luke is better than Kyrie. No, Luca. They've played for life. Do you want to do that?

Do you want to do based on how much, do you want to account for time played and stuff like that? Or just say who's the best players? Because we put Paul Mills up at the center. You know what? No. Yeah, Lucas up. Okay.

I'll put Luke's up. Only because we did put Jimmy Butler there and they only played for half a season. Yeah. Okay. Luke at the one. Yeah. accomplishments it's kairi but luka is better than kairi okay so luka d wade who's at the 3

let's do this lucca kairi d wade nah i don't want to go that too leuka kaird we're not we're not removing the debate that makes it interesting let's do it do chris bosh is power forward there's no competition natural naturally yeah only you want to go kevin love but i'm fine saying chris bosh is better when they play together yeah center has to be anthony davis unless you want to go old shack no it's a d d so like it's anthony davis yep 2028 easy small forward ain't nobody i mean it's like a shame baddie a shame bad is a good pick uh got shit kyle kuzma in 2020 was kind of interesting stop that can we put alex crusoe richard jefferson has some years he was old richard jefferson what came up very clutch multiple horns yeah it's probably

shame baddie though shame baddie was an elite role player at the time hmm it's shame betty which is briny ingram i don't listen if we're just talking about winning games brittany give me shamed baddie over bern you didn't play with a great version brandon Actually, the end of that season, he took a little bit of a leap. Yeah, when the wrong was out. But yeah. Yeah, we'll go say, Maddie. Took a leap, yeah.

But I believe. Michael Jordan. All right, so Scotty Pippen at the three. Okay. Easy. Okay, it's Robin at the four. That's no-brainer. Which point?

Which small role player point guard do you want to put in the starting lineup? We'll go Paxing? Sure. Really? Paxe over BJ? Sure. I'm a B. yards and yeah but shooting guard you don't put Steve Curry get a shooter out there I guess

yeah this is well okay it's got it's kind of a yogic thing where there's no good shooting guards because he was the fucking shooting guard we'll put Horace grant at the five okay we'll scale them up so we have yeah now I don't really care about the back court it's like the two just never mattered because Jordan was there yeah the triangle it hardly mattered yeah it's not like was a real point guard that like needed to run pie pick and roll so we'll go we'll go Paxon B.J. Aronson at the two and then um and then Scotty Dennis Horace

You're shaking your head Who do you think it should be? Wait, attitude? Yeah Yeah Oh, I would have put No, I Yeah

We're asking Donovan's dad off camera You're shaking his head With the pick I was thinking about Put the Kerr there But I mean Can't really put her there Because he's a point guard

Okay So we'll go Paxon, BJ Armstrong, Pippin Rodman, Horace Grant Yeah This is bleak man Six rings at that Am I miss it?

I mean you can't am I missing my missing Craig Hodges he's a sniper I love him yeah am I missing Craig Hodges at the two okay Craig Hodges at the two then yeah there you go uh a lot less a lot less a lot less principal on paper than LeVrons man stop stop they're gonna get their narratives off man I don't want to hear that you know what you're doing man let's not do this names are names let's not do this man okay Steph Curry repeat in twice stop Sean Livingston at the one

One of the greatest Because Chris Paul was washed He wasn't good Jordan Poole Like his combo guard I guess but Sean Livingston Sean Livingston has

Sean Lewis Leandro Barbosa Who do you put a point guard here It probably is You put Monta Ellis a point card? No No no no no He's not on this list

No I'm putting Sean Livingston at the one Okay sure Sean Livingston at the one Clay at the two Clay at the two KD at the three Dramon at the four

who's our five? I think we can show some liberties to put Dremont Green at the center just because the centers are bleak Okay And they go Iggy at the 3 KD at the 4 Okay, so easy

Or flip it You want to put Iggy over Jimmy Buller? Yes Oh, I forgot Jimmy Buller's Jimmy Buller is not like 2020 Jimmy Buller anymore Yeah Iggy wasn't Prime Iggy

But I think early Iggy When he first got there Still had juice Yes He just didn't need to use it For that team So we can still go Iggy Okay

But I do think Jimmy Buller Probably is better That's kind of weird But I don't know Not in ready to see Sorry Yeah I mean I don't know not not right now right now i'll go iggy okay we'll go iggy james hardin so there's

chris paul chris paul he actually got great chris paul so there's a good point guard there dry harry irving is that shooting guard play with oh i forget he played with karenna small ford like like joel and beat at center kevin duran at small four kawai is there as well where's kawai go kawaii kaii kovir oh my god booker wait we can put booker over karee maybe wait he played with devon Well, no, James Hart never played with Devon Booker. Yeah, no, he never played with him. Oh, I'm sorry. You were thinking of Kyrie?

Yes. Yeah. Oh, even Kyrie did. You were thinking of Kevin Durant. Yeah. Yeah, okay, okay. So we got, oh my God, we got Chris Paul, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Durant, Kauai Leonard and Joelle and B.

Is this the best teammate starting five of all time? Oh, my God. This guy, that. No rings. No, and then Paul George is coming off the bench, too? Nair your ring. No rings. No rings.

Shael O'Neal. Russ is off the bench, too. Fuck, that's nasty. Oh, my God. He's like four more also on the bench. Tyree's Max. He's at the ninth man. Fuck, I didn't even know that.

I haven't been to a final. Sergei Baca's there, too. Oh, my God. It just keeps on getting worse and longer we think about it. Oh, and Nick Claxton? Oh, my. Yeah, this team is amazing.

James Hardin is the best team at the all time. Oh, God. Jekyll O'Neill, O'Neill. Kobe at the two. Kobe at the two. LeBron James at the three? Who's at the one?

Steve Nash. Steve Nash? Steve Nash. Oh, my God. He's old, man. Yo, he has Kevin Guard to hit the four. No. my god or paul pierce of the kevin gardet he played for the oh yeah he was there seltie shack

though kevin gardine and paul pearson there all right this is ridiculous to him this is disgusting i guess steve nash oh no no no we got dwayne wade oh i guess you can't put dwayne wade and coby yeah so steve nash coby lebron kg and then who's at the center we'll pull lebron at power forward we'll put paul pierces the three kg etc okay okay and then we have dwayne way to 2006 is a sixth man go to hell this is crazy at least he has rings out of it yeah A lot of them. Four. I got four rings.

Janus. Damn, I know this is going to be bleak, too. Well, no, no, no. Dame and Drew Holiday is back court. Okay, that's true. We can put Dr. Jury at the two guards. It's not a stretch.

Chris Paul at the, or Chris Middleton at the three. Okay. Brooke at the five. Brooke at the five. Oh. And then it's Bobby time. Bobby Portis.

Jabari Parker, maybe? Stop. Detroit. Ever. What? You got slurred you. What's going on, man? Probably PJ Tucker.

I forgot PJ did run. They traded for Sergio Baca. It didn't work, but he was there. For fit, I guess we can go PJ Tucker. PJ Tucker was an elite defender at one point. He was. Are we forgetting somebody when he was young? Is there some power forward?

You play with John Hens. Larry Sanders. Let's stop it. Did he play Ersson Ily Oslova? Ersson Eliasov, you are missed. There we go. obviously Shaq's team throttles

Yanis's team modern Shaq does not have nearly as much help yeah it's that's crazy that's insane

request a trade tomorrow please okay next thing we can do let's see if this works now I'm trying to

load up the ringer so we can react to their top 100 list but their website has been down the entire time

the website is down so I think we call in the backup plan I think we call in Donnan's dad to return for one more A receiver.

Calling Mariana Rivera to come on, run onto the mound. We're going to do interesting seven with you. We didn't tell you what this is going to be until you got up here. It's a mystery to you. All right. We're going to name an NBA player. You let us know whether or not you would let them date your daughter. What?

You are a father. We did the TikTok segment before like two years ago. And obviously we don't have the experience or the hindsight that you have. As a father, as a dad of a daughter. you let this player into your family via marriage? All right, let's see. Exactly. Exactly. So think about whatever values you have and the people you

want a part of your barbecues. Think about the future, man. Well, what is the first name? Oh, man. Okay. So the first name, Michael Jordan. No. You sure know what you mean? No. He's not a good person. I love like, no. You can play basketball. Yeah, he can't

play basketball. That's it. He can't eat my barbecue chips. You want your daughter to be with a winner? No, not him. He did why I needed a dirty, but, you know. I guess so, too. He also don't know how to keep his hands to himself. Exactly. Oh, he punched Stephen.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. You said, I was like, domestic body. There's a vinerator in here. I was not in the last day. All right. LeBron James Family man

Exactly All right fine She's fine He's all right It's so funny He's been loud the whole time Dead serious right now Yeah

I see this is a serious He lost his joy Yeah He thought he'd He'd be yellow by 90s players He's like fuck He's all right dude I guess

Okay Dremont Green no no no no no he too wild he you know he too wild he too wild he too well you don't know what you're gonna get yeah loose canon definitely i mean let's you we if dream on acts like that over step could you man how he acts about his wife like he will protect her no matter what he's loyal exactly but you i mean he you can't he has these high highs and low low no no no i bet he's loyal yeah lamella ball heck no

No, man, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no big ball is in the food family. No big ballers in his food family. I wouldn't let La Mello de Ball get his daughter. Keep him away from everybody I know. No, no, no, no. That's the definition of a wild boy. You wouldn't want him as a brother-in-law, daughter. I think you would, you know, create some cool stuff.

And he jumps too high when he gets scared, too. I see him. No. I don't know. Did you say he jumps too high? Yeah, yeah. All right. The shrieks are too high-pice.

No, I can't, I can't add that. That's all the leader of men. Car anthony sounds. No. Fine young man. What do you mean? Stop that. Stop foot.

Good genetics can shoot. You wouldn't want him as a stepbrother? Stop that. Step-brother. Brother-in-law? You know what you're doing. Listen, don't make me talk about cat. No.

My, next name, next name, next name. James Hardin. knows how to operate he knows the business they know him yeah yeah no no no James I'm Magic City he he's he's he's a mover yeah I know he you to have your jersey retired at the at the establishment is you know it's not true well anybody I'm going with my I'm going with any piece of information you know because he's trying to play me like this and both of you all stay trying to play me like this if I say something that's just trying to be funny Right?

Then it's just ha-ha jokes. And I was like, you know the facts are true. It's like the thing where Trump, where he's like, oh, I got USA. Don't nobody, everybody know it's fate, but I say it trying to be funny.

Y'all try to play me. Nah. Y'all try to play me. Anybody that Dix Kardashian is already questionable, so, I mean, no. I did not expect that reaction. Y'all be trying to play me. Time after time.

Yeah, man. Nah. No. Steph Curry. Yeah. I like Wardow. He's a good. He's a good guy. I like him. We'll make some approvable for your daughter. I mean, he's a, he's a, he's a girl dad anyway, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, I like the way he, you know, he hands up with his wife, you know, so. All right. He does, he does good stuff. I like him. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. He's good with Alexander. He's, he's mature. I mean, at this young age, I have no problem with Shane. He's, he's, he's mature. I mean, at this young age, I have no problem with Shay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Last name, Rudy Gaubert. No.

Wait, why? He's not aggressive. Because I don't like him. What if he's like the best person in the world and he is like... No, he might be a nice guy, but not. But now he's just don't look at him in the eyes. Now he's just too tall now. He's too tall.

Now I've got to get new doors. Exactly. Yeah, he's too tall. I can adjust my life for this one of them. Kind of make him an extra play. He's always hungry. Kyle Kuzma No

Whoa Just because of that That sweater he wore that one time With the sleeves all the way to the ground No That's swag what you mean No Slash are too trash

You can't fight You know You know what I'm saying People stepping on you People stepping on your sleeves You know what I'm saying You can't throw no punches You can't protect nobody like that

Anthony Edwards Yeah This should be the quickest no Of all time Huh? Why? It should be the quickest no I don't know.

I actually don't know about Anthony. Maybe that's kind of good thing. Yeah, I'll teach you off camera. I'll tell you to think you about answering. All right. Just know the answer is no. Decidedly. Kevin Durant.

All he cares about is basketball. He's wholesome. He's not wholesome. No, I've seen him a couple of ones where he was talking to somebody. He was like, don't you even compare yourself to me getting girls or something like that. I can't remember which one it was, but yeah. He might be an asshole, but listen. Yeah.

That man, I feel like he has no vice. besides basketball. Well, I mean, maybe Kevin, because, I mean, he treats his mom good, so, you know, he might still be a good guy, you know. But he, it almost, no mind. Charles Barkley. Charles.

He's not a role model. Not a role model. Damn. Goddamn. What's wrong with him? He's not a role model. He already said, I'm not a role model. So, you know, he, you know, he walks his own path.

Shack. Shack. He knows how to get a bag. No no no I wouldn't trust Shaq with anybody's kids No no not a one that man cannot work in my daycare no Godly no he's gonna be spinning kids like a pizza dough I don't have too much fun He's gonna drop I'm like all he's not gonna go fuck he's enough

No Jack no no for Shaq no for Shaq that's it nobody else Zonne Williamson heck I just said Zano no no let's not go there He's a big boy you know what I'm saying he's big you know what's saying You know what I'm saying? He can't control himself. No. Crazy. Next topic.

All right, here we go. Tough scene. Oh, that's the end of that. That's the end of this episode. Oh, okay. If people are still here, what should they comment? You can decide. What should people comment?

What should they comment? If they're still here at the end of the episode, what should they comment? Anything you want? Good times. Comment good times. And comment, fuck, where you go for there.