The Deep 3 Podcast - We Picked The Biggest Surprises Of The NBA Season | Ep. 169

Episode Date: November 28, 2025

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You know what's surprising. What up? What? That. Why did you give me a banana? Crazy. Bro, February is like two months or now. Bro, February is like two months or now.

Bro, holy shit. Come on, no, no, no, no. Do y'all acknowledge this? Come on. I bet you were like that. How about that? Although it is very much on par, I do appreciate this because this will be enough to fuel me later on for our special TikTok time segments.

You're also surprising. The Phoenix Suns being in the playing range. I mean, not really to me if you were tapping on that prediction episode. You heard also surprising. James Harden dropping 55 points at age 36 or whatever he is. Dude, he's every like 28. That's crazy. There's a whole lot of surprises around the NBA.

And today we are going to go through. And each of us have picked 10 out that we want to discuss things that we did not see coming before this season. We are going to dissect them. We're throwing it back. Whoa. That's crazy He was bragging I don't know

You didn't say The cranium is crazy Oh my God Crone eat Rejoice Like I said We each have ten surprises I'm sure there's some overlap

So we're probably gonna talk about 15 or 16 different topics here I want to begin By going first By saying my first surprise I mentioned in the intro It is immensely surprising to me that James Hardin is averaging 26 points per game,

the highest points per game total since he was six years younger since 2020. I got to stop you right there. It's 28 points per game now. It's 28 now? I forgot 65. It's even crazier. Yeah. That is baffling to me.

Oh, actually, let me not say that. It is surprising to me that we're seeing him have this level of scoring revival after what has been three or four years of being sub 25 points per game, playing sidekick to stars, not looking like can get to the room quite like you used to and just clearly being in a different stage of his career. That alone surprises me that we are at that. point with James Hardin, it is baffling to me that that is true, while it is also true the Clippers cannot win games. The fact that Harding good, Clipper, bad, baffling. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

I'm happy you started out with that because that was very much the most surprising thing for me so far this year because going back to what you said, he's been doing nothing but game managing, averaging like 16 points a game, clearly like shuffling off himself into his old man era basketball. And over the last, what, two weeks he's had so many insane scoring explosions. obviously maybe not to the same degree of like prime james hardin but it damn near it's 55 feels like that right now bro at this point in time and bro like he earlier in the year i was like yeah like james hardin has it still but i don't know if he's he has it throughout the entire duration of fucking four quarters and these last few weeks specifically he's been having it the entire time

yeah we did a video last week in the ticot segment where i named a breakout scoring leap or any type of production league this season, mostly from young players, as you guys, it was really fake. I put James Hardin in there, because he started off the season in the first couple of weeks, obviously, with those 26 points of game I mentioned. And you guys said fake. And it was more fake along the lines of like, obviously, it's impressive that Harding can pull this out again,

but we know after several years he probably is at a lower state of production. We've seen in the playoffs who kind of an idea for who James Harding is. So I'll wait and see before I get too excited about a James Hardin's Renaissance. And I said, I don't know, it's been like two years in a row now where his points your game is getting better and better. Seems like he's getting healthier and healthier after those several hamstring injuries. You mentioned 16 points for game that first year would dwell in Bede. Then it went up to like 19, then 21, 22.

Like he's slowly inching back to now it's like, it's weird and perplexing that a player of this age would have a second wind when you deal with injuries like hamstrings that, you know, are known to kind of hurt your prime when you're at that age. It feels weird that we're back. But when you watch and play, it matches what we're talking about with these stats. He is blown by people again in a way I haven't seen since. Brooklyn yeah I think the it is impressive because last year he was he was like carrying the team but you're also looking at it and like the efficiency wasn't well it it felt very much like

like a mid 2000s performance of like I'm carrying this team yeah it was 20 and 10 every night with enough efficiency because you're having to you know take a lot of shots when you're in your advanced age and you can't create those easy opportunities but it was like you know for his standards of being old James Hardin it was impressive still made an all-star team because the team's record, but it wasn't like this is still James Hardin. Now what I'm watching now is he's reentering top five point guard conversations

and I haven't said that in years. It was more like we did that tier list I mentioned. We put him next to Trey Young around the ninth or tenth best point guard. I think he's playing much better than that now. Yeah, he can have it for right now. I am, I do stand on like

the leap, you know, being fake because I do agree with everything that I said, which is one, leap kind of stuff. shows that like you are this like different player he he is just getting back to a point where this isn't necessarily different than anything that we've seen but it is nice that we've been able to see it again let's see what happens uh he did just go 0 for 8 against the caps it did it did just drop down but he's had a 50 point game he's had a 40 point game you're

seeing these explosions come come out and it would be like I think it's going to happen more just because the clippers are so bad and they keep losing games and they they need some type of offense and they need somebody who can shoulder the load and last year you can kind of live with the 21 because you also had another fringe potential borderline

all star in Norm Powell who was who was hooping and seeing what Norm Powell is giving the heat right now the clippers would love to have 25 points per game in their in their back court and if you paired you pair Norm Powell and J. Tarant together

you're getting 50 points a night from them too like that's that's much different than what you have right now. Don't worry about it. Trust me. DeMarter Rosen is on the way. Zach Levine. Oh my God. Is on the way. But needs to say, like, even if you do, do have like a high octane level of score of that, I think what we're seeing from James Hardin is a surprise. And I think it is new considering we haven't seen this level of burst going back to what you said, Isaac, since 2021 when he was on the Brooklyn Nets and whatnot. Like, his ability to get to the paint now is different. It's something that we haven't seen in years.

And it's like, it's not even new. It's like damn near refurbished. You know, it's kind of used, but it still like, it still works, right. We're currently a 56% effective full percentage. Last year it was 50, and that was his like all-star season was not, he was honestly his least efficient season besides these two right here where he was dealing with the injuries. 67% at the rim.

Last time he shot 67% at the rim was year three in 2012, he shot 67%. And obviously, we'll count 2017 here 65% on good volume. So since 2017, he had. hasn't had a rim scoring season of this caliber. That's crazy. And now it is a small sample size, so maybe that is bound to regress in some form. And maybe it has to do with the opponents he played. I haven't looked

to exactly what his schedule is. Maybe there's some weak rim protection teams carried by him drop from 55 against a bad defense. Whatever. It probably will regress to some extent. But it is clear that he looks physically better than did last year. Wherever that lies, whatever that has to do with their potential playoff performances, whatever that makes

you think differently about them if they do somehow get to the playing tournament, whatever, I don't know for sure. yet. I'll need to see more sample sizes before I declare him a new player that I feel better about against playoff defenses. But this is impressive. And the other half I mentioned is that it's crazy that he's this good and the team is this bad. And the clippers being bad in general is surprise. I put them in the fifth seed. Yeah. You're a tripping for that. I think you were the highest on them out of all of us. I think I put them like maybe seventh seat. So just into the plan. But I didn't think they were going to be. You're crazy. I had him two games worse.

I mean, it is true. It is playing with me. I had the same. opinion. I didn't see. I didn't see like Brooke Lopez. I knew it was going to be bad. But when he plays, he's overall in the season. He's a net negative 34. That's hilarious. That's disgusting. The second that Zubach stays, gets off of the court, everything is cooked and they have zero defensive ceiling at all. Even with when he's in there already, like kind of shaking. They've been shaking throughout the entire year. While we're talking about James Hard and how magnificent he's been on offense defensively, he's not. shit at all. And you can't blame him for not being shit because again, he's 36. He can only give you so much. And if I'm prioritizing James Hard and want him to carry my offense defensively, we'll try to survive with the four other players out there. And that's what they've been doing.

It's also part of the reason why they're kind of ass. I feel like, we're always like a year early on things. Facts. Like we, like last year was the year where we were like, yeah, the clippers are going to suck. Right. They're not going to be good. And then they go out. and they win 50 games. And then now we'll come back. It's like, all right, well, I guess they proved this wrong.

100%. I guess we just have to give them credit, right? They're going to win 40, 50 wins. And now this is the season where they do it. Invest early, right? Two years away. Two years away. We got to stand.

I hate you more often. We do. We were wrong. We're just early. And that's why I said those would be a playoff team because I was like, okay, well, you proved me wrong enough times. When you have this nucleus together with Tailu,

I will continue to believe you'll be good until you're not. That was like the entire crux of why I kept them into the playoffs. Like, they consistently, James Hardin and Zubosh stay healthy. They don't miss a lot of games. And when those two are healthy with the defenders around them and Ty Lou, they have been a great team, especially second half of last year. They were a fantastic team.

And the reason we died of them last year is because they lost Paul George. And we said, where would the firepower come from? Feels like you're a team that is teetering on the line, talent-wise, and losing Paul George makes you go on that line. Little did we know Paul George was cooked. And then we had the whole new discourse where it was a good thing he left, right? Well, now that we have the actual version of what we expected this year, because last year, Norman Powell, replaced him.

And now that replacement is gone, and now they finally dip under the talent threshold we saw coming last year. It's the talent threshold. It's the defensive threshold. You try to replace Norm Powell in an aggregate with Bradley Biel, with some of these other pieces of John Collins, Brooke Lopez, obviously. And even the Brooke Lopez thing, we have been saying for a couple years, Brooke Lopez is kind of cooked. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. And obviously, him being the co-anchor to a defense in Milwaukee is much different than, hey, can you come play like 10, 12 minutes, you know,

behind Zubach here. It's obviously less that you're asking of them, but still, cooked is cooked. And that's what Brooke Lopez is right now. You're missing Derek Jones Jr. Right now, they're the 27th ranked defense in the league. Crazy. And if you don't have that,

then everything else that we're trying to build a conversation around the Clippers, that doesn't, none of that works. And you named every single factor that went wrong. They took a lot of swings and they all missed. The main swing is that we can replace most of what. what Norm Powell does are Brad Beal. That was a decent bet for the price tag. I didn't hate that. None of us hated that. It was Brad Bill was way over tax. He's not worth this $47 million contract. It's going terribly with the sons to fit with the scheme and what he does. Not a fit at all.

Makes more sense next to James Hardin, who is a facilitator. Bradley Bill can still be a play finisher, et cetera. I understand getting the cheaper version there because we can offset that cost with bringing in John Collins, who gives us a power forward-sized body that we don't have, maybe can do some small bottle five stuff and just give us a new version of the team with that two-for-one, type of addition. Turns out Bradley Beale was absolutely atrocious and then he got hurt out for the year, but was downright atrocious before that. And now with him being gone, there's zero chance he becomes Norm Powell. And John Collins has been immensely disappointing. He looks more like he did when he was leaving Atlanta. And all we talked about with him was

the idea John Collins being better than John Collins himself. The idea of having a six nine guy who can shoot and be mobile enough defensively to play four or five is cool. He hasn't done any of that well. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I think we're seeing overall, like the lack of impact at times for someone like John Collins, which is why he feels like he is not even like a one-way player, but at times like a 0.5 player because there are certain gaps in his game that just like don't connect unless things are perfectly set up for him. And you would think like James Hart, his best years in the league were with Trey Young a couple years ago with the Utah Jazz, who's shooting like 40% from three as someone like James

James Harden too is who is like arguably one of the best ball handles the league has ever seen. this should be one of the best years for him. It is not one of the best years for him at all. And go ahead. We're not even talking about Quay Leonard. We haven't even mentioned his name. He just came back last, I think, a couple nights ago. Yeah, we really care about that.

It doesn't. At this point, it really does not matter if Kauai is there or not. Because ultimately, we are going to get to the point where he's going to miss a significant amount of times. He is like the way we talk about Kauai, the same way that we talk about Joel and B, where it's like, yeah, you. can tell yourself in july we get a healthy kawai leonard maybe we can make a run right he's had moments he's had games you you remember game two against the against the nuggets right one of the

best games of his playoff career and you're just not going to get that and there was confos that week i remember we did a hot takes episode over that people were like he's still pound for pound one of the best players i'd rather have him than she it was like it was like pete for pique like who's who is it and i i i get that i get that that sentiment across the league with a bunch of different guys, because when you do have those highs, it is very enticing to say, to chase those highs all the time and say, we can get this for two months. I get it. I wouldn't, if I'm a Clippers fan, obviously, they probably do this. I'm not trusting him at this point. I love the implication you just laid out. Being a Kauai fan, being a Clippers fan, you're a crack fiend.

Yeah. You got issues. You're in the pipe hoping for a different outcome every week. And you know what's like the nastiest truth of it all, too, as you guys who are Crack fiends. I feel so sorry for you. Yo, the crack is not even in, because James Hardin has done more for the city of L.A. He's done, he has more impact for you guys than what has

what Kawhi Leonard has done over the last like four or five years. They cut that shit. This baby powder. Yes, bro. This singular year is way greater than anything Kauai has ever done for your city.

Yeah. It won't mention, you can smoke this crack. Go about your day. Won't feel any different. We honestly should have known about the clippers And because they are And listen, kind of feel this way about the worst too Anybody on the extremes Of the of the age

They generally Do not work out unless you are The Thunder and you're like You're one of the youngest teams It's like once in a lifetime young team too Yeah Unless it's that But generally

If you have teams that are super, super young. You look at at Washington. You look at what Charlotte has been for the last couple of years. Teams that are 22, 23 years old. Those teams aren't doing anything. And then on the other side, you try to get this hodgepodge list of unks together and say, we have all the experience in the world. What happens when your hit breaks down two months into, nine, two months, a week, a month and a half into the season. And Bradley Biel, who you thought was going to be a nice 17 to you know to 18 point per game score you're over here bragging about 40 year old Chris Paul we've seen this story that these old teams get together they try to better

in themselves through the through the regular season and say in any playoff matchup in a seven game series we can we can out execute you you need a little bit of both you gotta get there first yeah and seeing how far that they swung into the unction that should have been the first time for us to say maybe the clippers aren't the same clippers as they were last year or the year before and this might have been the tipping point and we should have been we should have been more keen to that the whole part is we can't really learn you from this because like I said we decided to get them credit because they proved us wrong last year so the only thing we can learn from this is double down is don't run away from what you thought last year is don't let the woke

mob yell you down from your positions man also no Brooke Lopez is cook we had this I think we had like a 20 minute discussion about Brooke Lopez in our center rankings episode because I think I was the lowest on him and I don't remember which one of you did it put him like dumb high probably you you fucking love Brooke Lopez and I'm like you're like you too

you both love Brick Lopez but I remember he was so important he was like barely on my list if at all I think if I remember correctly

and I was like y'all Bucks fans are down bad their roster sucks and they're begging for him to leave they're so glad he left

please trust and believe Brooke Lopez is mega washed and he's even more even more washing I thought yeah so you have you have really nothing

that you can hang your hat on defensively the right now this is the best thing that the clippers could ask for which is

hey we still have this brand new stadium would you like to come see james hard and drop 25 on like on your favorite team maybe do you think so it's tough right now because they don't have their pick obviously and they are probably very much motivated to not allow the oklahoma city thunder to add a top five pick but if they continue to go down this path and they are still bad even with james hard in there calli misses more time what do they do like is there a sell-off potentially do they have to retool like no yeah i i think

I think for them honestly And when I say sell off Obviously that's within context of Like you said they have a stadium They don't have their pick control for years But like do you cash in on the James Hardin Renaissance If he wants to leave potentially Nah

Hardin leaves then your cooks Might be up to him where he was Yeah where would he want to go Exactly at this point And I think as long as James Hardin wants to be there You should want him to be in a clipper's uniform Yeah And they're as bad as the kings right now

they're as bad as the babs like it's it truly is a dire dire situation but i think for them because of the levels of all inness that they've gone you honestly have to do what like miami does which is every year we're going to go find we're going to go find somebody mid and we are going to we are going to try and be the most mid team that we can until we reach that point that but here's the thing the other day i don't know if it was on a t3 live monday 430 central time every single Monday I said something along the lines of the clippers are so fucking ass

because of this season because they also don't it's coming to bite them in the ass they never have developed any player at all. The only player young player they kept in their system and was able to grow and invest in and nourish and all that is Zubosh. He was drafted what 2017 20, like 2017-2016

or whatever and they got him in a high-s in that trade versus the Lakers, right? I think you're from year three too. It wasn't even like yeah he wasn't a project he's already kind of good. Yeah yeah exactly he wasn't a nothing burger at all but since then they had don't they don't do they're not good at the miami heat stuff they're not good at the Memphis grisie stuff at all they don't find

G league players and harness them and develop and like yeah like over the last what few games they had this one young player forget his name I think the last name is Simmons he's good will they continue to develop in him and like prioritize them I don't know I don't think their staff is necessarily in place and that's never been their focus at all I'm hearing is

Ty Lou is Steve Kerr basically right now brother you can't name the singular young player that's come from there at all. We're saying all this stuff. I won't be shocked they find a way into the playing. They turn this around somehow. Of all the terrible teams, of all the terrible teams right now,

like if you tell me this ends, we're us being baffled because we look up in March and they somehow clawed their way back into the 10 seed and, like, are closer to that playoff caliber team for the second half of the year again, looking much better than the second half. I'm not going to ride it off. You know, all they need is Kauai to be healthy,

which is obviously a big question mark. But like, if that happens, it's hard enough at this level, Zubbatch is playing better after that terrible first week he had. like they still have a path to competency. Yes. I'm just obviously as the days go by and the whole gets bigger, feeling less and less confident in it.

But the Western Conference is weaker than we expected. There's a lot of disappointing teams right now. So it might not be as unfathomable to get to the nine or ten seat as we think. And that, yeah, that's what I was going to say is like right now for the first time in a while that you can get into the playing with a sub 500 record. To your point, they don't have, which you also said on TV3 lives, they don't have their own first round pick that has like no stipulations no swaps and nothing until 2030 we have to end the decade of the 2020s until until they finally have have a draft pick in their

control so for the next three years you have to be as mid as possible try to be as competent as you can it's four drafts you take you tear everything down to the studs in 2029 and you tank and then you restart a new at the start of the decade. That seems like the most logical. How are these picks that far out? Yeah. So how is it even possible?

26. So they have no picks in 26. 27 is OKC has the right to swap the pick. 26. OKC has the right to swap. 28, Philly has it unprotected. Damn. No protected.

Oh, from James Hardin trade. And then in 29, Philly has that pick and it's a pick swap. The only thing that could possibly save them for the rest of this decade is if they absolutely nail those pick swaps. They have to be in the weeds and have so much investment into their scouting and draft department because those last few picks via the 76ers and also OKC swaps, they need to hit those. I got some bad news for you. They're going to be gone. They need to do research.

The NBA is taking those drafts to them. They're not going to be there, right? imagine like their path to getting better is to is to nail all of their mid mid first round picks their second round picks they might not have some of those they're going to have even less chances than you think uncle dennis you're going to fuck this team for the future bro la our way baby they did it hey streetlights not spotlights oh my gosh man they're salt the earth guys they're richest owner in the sport it's so sad man what's the next team what's the next surprise you have mo you go have have what I think also one of the bigger surprises for me, it's a surprise. I knew who's going to be good, but I didn't know he was going to be this good.

Dare Queen, he is a special rookie, and he might end up being not, maybe not the best rookie out of this class, but straight off rookie year-wise, he might be the second best player in this draft. Obviously, like, Con is insane, and I'm sure, like, one of us has him on our list as well. But overall, like, actually, let me,

let me broaden this take overall. Okay. I think there's so far throughout the first, few weeks of the NBA season, there's been four different times that I've looked at a rookie and been like, you are the best in this draft class. Yes. I've done that with Vijay. I've done it with Derek Queen.

I've did that with Khan, obviously. There's so many guys in this class that are just like so insane. And I think this truly might be the best draft class that we've seen since, I don't know, maybe 2018. I was thinking about this too. 2021 is the last stack when we have where we have Cade, Mowgli, Shangoon, Scotty Barnes, Franz. That's at least five all stars. I'm sure more I'm not thinking of right now

This is the best one since then Yeah so yeah Surprise is this class Probably has four all stars at least Maybe five I'm still in the I don't know Like the VJ stuff I need more time to see

But like obviously the potential I see that Like he could be extremely good Bet on that work ethic What Cooper Flag Clearly gonna be an all star Top 10 players Still in the cards

Dylan Harper Still think top 25 players I forget he existed right Dylan Harper's gonna be top 25 player I think Yeah con canipple Clearly an all star I think early i don't know but it seems like he's clearly going to be an all-star

Derek queen that archetype is always hard to it can go one of two ways you know that's why it's so risky but probably still offensive production is going to be there he'll probably make an all-star team dude over the last four games he's been averaging 28 and six assists per game he had a bad game this last one so i'm sure the numbers are better before that yeah exactly he is a true offensive hub and since jane berego prioritized them and started him and putting the ball more in his hands and just really like making sure he is the face of the franchise currently as you speak, he's been producing at an insane level, the touch, the feel, all that. It's so hard for someone like him who's not defensive slanted at that position to still be like

true value. That was a kind spin. Yeah, exactly. It's like, it's like, it's hard to, it's hard to like think of ways for him to be one of the best powers on the court on the court while also being one of the worst defenders. And he's nailing all those things and he's top line as a rookie already when it comes to random things like touch on, touch on passes and what. whatnot, his ability, like, make quick-wick decisions and put the ball in specific pockets and holes through bounce passes or just, like, simply threading needles and shit like that. So, well, all that being said, yes, I get it. I know.

They're last, their ass. They're 15. I get it, bro. Which is honestly, the best place that you watch you. Me? Hell yeah. I forgot. I forgot for a split second, right, that they gave the unprotected pick.

No prophylactics, nothing. straight pick over over the mo they like they are in a bad position obviously because you can't build around this but when you do have these like super talented offensive big man obviously the first name that everyone's going to go to it's like he's baby yokins right like that's actually his nickname on basketball reference it's hilarious which is like he looks a lot like shing good in his play style yeah and i'm and i'm i'm cool with that and i do think that for right now go go ahead get your buckets off we we will obviously wait on on defense as like the year um as the year goes on as next year happens and we are trying to develop every part of his game but right now if you

if you do get to a point where his defense just never never reaches like a i don't know top like a 75th percentile defender whatever especially at the position you still have time to find of the archetypes of players to then kind of, you know, to insulate him. So getting him all the buckets that he can get, please, because the only way for them to get better, especially out of this, is going to be to do some type of retooling, tear down, right? Even if it's not to the studs, you are going to have to start shipping out some guys to recoup a lot of the talent that you missed out on.

So, hey, man, go ahead, do you think, go get 25, go get 26. It's too early as a rookie to care. And I really have any opinion on what his defensive ceiling is going to be. especially with that body type and obviously how he's going to get in better shape as the years go on who knows where the defense is something will be he's a smart defender he's good hands

he's not he's not low IQ as a defender of any way it's just really just physical limitations or at least I don't think he projects me low IQ of a defender so TBD on that end offensively clearly he has all start upside from that position the really only like only thing is going to be the conversation linked to him with the trade is always going to be in the air listen to 3 and 15 right now 15th in the conference

11th in the conference is only 5 and 12 they can get back there pretty easily if they string together a couple good weeks pass up some of these teams right ahead of them and they can get to a point where maybe they're giving

the Hawks a 10th pick or the 11th pick and if that's the case maybe we can live with it as long as it's not going to be a top five pick the stigma won't be on him the stigma won't be on the trade

we just got to pray that we can get Zion healthy Derek Quinn clicking maybe Jonathan Murray comes back it's also not up to anybody because the way that the lottery has gone these last couple years if it's any indication

you could be you can get up to the playing and still miss the playoffs and that pick still find its way, you know, up into the top six, top five, all of that. Which is why we say practice over outcome. This was bad practice doing this trade. Maybe they get lucky and the outcome isn't bad and the value proposition works in their favor and Derek Queen is the best player in the deal.

Nevertheless, it was bad practice because you're giving the Hawks the opportunity to get blessed the top three pick. Yeah, the only two ways that this works out is if Derek Queen is so good that it doesn't matter who the Hawks pick or if the Hawks blow their pick. Like if the Hawks do get a top five pick and they end up, and they end of, drafting a bust, then you can go back and say, no, no, no, that would be on the Hawks. They have to hope that they get bad luck and the lottery.

It wouldn't be their fault that they, it wouldn't be because of them that they won the trade, but they would win the trade if they drafted a lemon. Still dumb to the way they got there. But either way, it's bad also because the other half of the trade is like, oh, shit, yeah, we also have protections to the Milwaukee Bucks draft pick as well. We have swaps of their draft pick as well. And if they're ass, which they're very ass right now since John has been out,

that's another whole bite of the apple that we can get as well. Yeah, but at least you might be back. The pelicans are just fucked. Yeah, the pelicans, they're cooked and there's no way out of this. But at least they have all their feature picks. They still have control of that. And that's like the biggest high relief. They're not like the previous thing we talked about.

So Derek Queen, surprise, all-star potential. Well, sort of. Other half of this, before we move on. No, I mean, sort of in terms of surprise, because some people liked him. Other half of this, that's also sort of a surprise. Colin Cinnibble. We mentioned on the stream. He's on my list.

He's on your list. Okay, let's put these two together. The surprise here is his draft class is unbelievably stacked. con canipple is not only the best player on this team I think con canipple has true true star upside way I think he's more upside than the middle of all I've ever had at this point con canibble everyone's saying he looks like Clay Thompson with more driving ability that's like the easy new go-to in the same way that like shangoon was always the easy obvious baby yokich because of play style I feel the same way everybody else does but con can'tipple I think the rumors are true this is going to be a guy who might might push the boundaries from what we've seen from this type of archetype of sharp shooter that builds off a that this feels like this might be one of the better ones yeah and i think especially for charlotte from a big picture standpoint even if you really still believe in in lamello and you still think that he can get to the superstar um outcome you still have to acknowledge that if he's going to get there you're still going to have to build your team a certain way yeah to really really maximize

what what you do you're going to have to go the pacer's route you're going to have to go the the Hawks route and even yes the Pacers made the finals and coming into the year their success made me honestly believe in the Hawks a little bit more but it is a very very thin line that you can walk on and it's and it's a very small hole that you have to to thread in order to build this team around this very creative bad at defense point guard like Lamello and I think that having a guy like Khan and whether or not you're building around him to have him be the like star center of your team or hey we're just going to rebuild and con and brandon miller are going to be there you it's funny because he's white you feel safer with him right right you really do like

the direction that your franchise can go and that's with the way that he's playing right now yeah and it's specifically because the way he plays you feel safe with him because he's not doing anything risky he's not like causing havoc or trying the most flashy things like He's like him in the middle of the complete opposite players in every single way, imagine, oh bro, bro, bro. That goes even deeper than you could think. This guy's out, dude, he's played the NBA for three weeks.

He's averaging 20 points per game, 9.1, 3 point attempts per game, 65% true shooting. That is bonkers for a rookie. That would be maybe understandable if he was like 23. If he was like, even like Donovan Mitchell came into the league, I think he was 21 as a rookie.

He was kind of older, but not four years. I think he played three years in college and immediately became a high-level score, but made sense as him being a little more NBA-ready body-wise. This guy's doughy. This guy's 19. He's young. He's a young rookie like everybody else.

We haven't seen a rookie like this in years, bro. I don't want, comparing every single rookie's first year in the league. We haven't. A one-and-done? You won and done to this degree? Other than Wemby. Did Wemby average 20? Wembe wasn't insufficient.

Wemby average 21, but obviously it wasn't this efficient. But outside of that, like, you look at someone like Kaye, Paul. I don't know. That's scary. I don't know. Outside of Wemby, it's hard to talk about. I know. There's like Luca, he average 18, but he shot like 42% from the field that year.

Like, there's no one to talk about it all. I was going to say, was Powell that efficient. Powell still wasn't that efficient. Pella was not. Pella wasn't that efficient. Pella averaged 20, but obviously he wasn't close to 65% true shooting. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know the last time we saw a rookie score at this level.

It is Donald Mitchell, I think, who was 21 as a rookie instead of, I don't know if Khan is 19 or 20, but he was a one and done. So as Raj you could hope for for a rookie and still was already at this level. He's 20. He's 20. When did he turn 20? In August. Okay.

So yeah. Young 20, just turned 20. I don't know maybe this is a situation where he's closer to his ceiling than some other rookies are because the skill set is so refined and he isn't the athlete that some people are. So he doesn't have to grow into his prime quite as much. Maybe he's just closer to it as a young guy that happens sometimes. Or maybe this is just a superstar in the making. And this is fucking Clay Thompson with some Paul Pierce drive. driving abilities.

Like, this just might be one of those guys that is going to be a surprising, defying player of a class. Either, either way, you know and you can, you can tell obviously, like, whenever you have like a legitimate, like, good player on your team. And for the, for the Hornets who have missed so many first-round draft picks, year in and year out, having somebody like Khan to come in and start performing the way that he is, it does give you so much more breathing room around how you're building and how you want to to move forward.

So this is obviously the best thing that could happen to the Hornets in a long, long time. Shout out to Conn because he, he legitimately, and I'm with you. I think right now I will put him in the all-star, I will say. Oh, really? I just, I just looked at it. The last time we saw a rookie. If he keeps doing it, yes, I would. I would do.

I mean, the horse has got to be. The team's too bad. Exactly. But the last time we saw a rookie this efficient. No, we can't. No, okay. No. He can't.

He can't, no matter what. That would only be possible if the Hornets are like, fucking 140 games or 42 games. And I don't think that's in the picture of that. Not even 40, but like they have to be respectable. Yeah, it's not happening. They're not going to be respectable. But the last time we saw a rookie this efficient was Jason Tatum during his rookie year. And that's even like nerfed of it because his usage wasn't that high because he was playing behind so many guys within the system.

Con Cohn Cinnipple, he obviously is playing within the system too. But he is being prioritized. The second that L.M.O. went out. The second that Brandon Miller went out within the first two games. he's back now obviously he like nothing is changing not like when it comes to a priority in terms of who needs to get more spins at the ball who needs to just be more of a decision maker con is like the face of that right now what an unbelievable guy it's awesome and his middle name is two is what two like the number two roman numeral two con the second canipal

two oh man it though con the second it's very very old school that's cool so I like that I think he's a king. You got to get him on the show again, man. It's medieval. Yeah. So this draft class, man, defined by these two surprises. Dylan Harper isn't getting healthy. Clearly, I think, going to be on star trajectory if he reaches his potential.

We know what Cooper Flag is going to be. Top 12 player in the world at minimum, I believe. Yeah. Great, great, great draft class. Donovan, what's your next surprise of the season? We have to talk about the Pistons being 15 and 2. Okay. We have to do it.

Because obviously, we talked about Jayland during. We talked about his leap. We have, before the season, I was the highest on the Pistons. I thought that they can be the three seats. and a lot of that was like can you be the three seed with jaded ivy coming back they've won mad games in a row without jaded ivy he's played the last couple games look good and now that not look fine whatever promising now that he's back i'm seeing the vision even even more because he really is giving the the pistons things that they that they lacked like you can you can see

him attacking transition you can see some of the playmaking you can see some of his ability to get downhill drive driving kick like adding adding adding that to to kate cutting him and allowing him to get off the ball a little bit more and allowing him not to have every single possession live and die with him i am so happy that they that they have him and so now i feel so much better about what they're doing and that this is not just a fun early season team this is legitimately a a top two seed in the East. Yes. And they can get to the conference final. Their medicine is finally here. The pack finally arrived. They're late on the prescriptions. But Jaden Ivy, he is like he fixes everything for that team in terms of what they needed, which is overall just on the perimeter, more guardplay,

more explosion. They need someone who's dynamic. And he very much is that the type of looks and the top of athleticism that he has and finesse to get to the basket by just being, hey, bigger, stronger fastening, but also I can get certain passes off from certain angles that no one else on this roster outside a cage can do. Packaging all that into one, but also knowing, oh, shit, like this dude, I don't know if it's legit, but he shot like 40% from the field or from the three point line last year. Yeah, I'm going to slow down a little bit on the phrase you said to begin with that Jade Navi fixes everything they have an issue with. We'll see, but certainly has a potential. So far, he's played two games, 15 minutes, 11 minutes against the

bucks and the pacer's. It looked good. Can't wait to see what it looks like against good defenses and like a higher minute rate so we can really get some good lineup data to go off of. But it's definitely exciting. If he can shoot like you said, I don't know if it's real yet,

if he can once again shoot 40% from 3 like he did last year, hopefully that opens up the rim game for him and he can finally be the good rib finisher he's supposed to be. You know, thus far in his career, he's been a guy that's like a good driver that can create paint touches

but has never been a good finisher at the rim, which is perplexing for his archetype of player. If that can come together and the three-point shooting is real, you're right. This can be the exact player they have. Now, with Duren, like,

that might be one of the most intriguing young big threes if it all comes together for me. I am buying in early. I think he is a solution to everything that we've talked about in terms of the lack of firepower. And that helped a lot because then we don't have to worry about that in a trade market and they still have an ability to make a trade. It would just be for some kind of maybe a wing or whatever

else luxury they could have because they no longer have a glaring deficiency of ball handling and shooting. When they play it's so funny because the only person who could like really shoot is Duncan Robinson. Yeah. And so you have like you have these lineups where like kate kate is going to play point we're going to have three goons out there and then

dougar robinson and he's just doing his best like step korean impersonation he's like running around catching and shoot it it's it's very funny but with jaden ivy out there not only like catching and shoot specifically like off the dribble self-creation threes is so so important to what they what they can do because this year tobias hasn't been the same level the same kind of guy and you know he's been dealing with injuries and stuff like that so you're not getting that same consistency from him from that from that win perspective it would also just because we know the history of tobias harris it would be nice if we can go into a playoff series and not have to say hey tobias i need you to score 20 on 50 40 90 splits for us to have a chance to to win this

series and if you can really relegate him into the stage that he's at in his career and you have these other two very young and dynamic guards who can lead the offense and everybody else just plays defense at such a high intensity and at a high level, then we're actually we're actually doing something. And with the way that the cabs are looking right now, very shaky, the way that the Knicks have looked in and, you know, up and down, the East is what we thought it was going to be in terms of it's wide open and anybody can go get it. For sure.

Yeah, we're talking about J.9. You're talking about Tobias Harris. We're talking about all this offensive margin stuff. We're not even dabbing at the fact that they are the second best defense in the NBA by far. OKC is far and away, number one. There are million yards ahead of everybody else.

The rest of the pack is obviously a million yards behind OKC. There are half a million yards behind Detroit for number two. They are dominating in similar fashion to OKC in that they are a top-flight defensive team led by lead guard who handles a majority of the offense, obviously in different way than Shea does, him and cater very different players. But in essence, surrounding this player that is to some varying degree, this kind of heliocentric style of guard with nonstop defenders, a versatile big man who's improved defensively and gives them some offensive outlet valve, but is really there for defense and the wings that create plays, their second enforcing turnovers, their second in rim defense right now, they are doing it in a way that we saw last year is sustainable if you can win on the margins enough.

It feels like they can. There's got to be every old head's favorite team in the league out of every single thing right now because they play such an old, gritty style of basketball, one insanely talented, gifted passer and ball handler who can score from all three levels. And then you also, of course, the Detroit Pistons, the bad boys or whatever, so they have that mantra going on. And you got Jill and Duren who has like a really throwback game considering how he's not going to kill you from three, but when it comes to with ball handling, the finesse that he's

able to grow, that he's been able to grow in display and beaching certain ways that would catch you off guard from someone that big moving like that. So throwback. Yeah. I was distracted for you guys are talking. Pablo Tori did an episode today about Will and he reacted to Donovan's rant about Will's game being fake. Oh, really? Yeah. What do you say? I don't know. I haven't seen it. Hey man, pause the episode. So we're going to go check that out real quick. Go, we'll watch that later. That's funny. The clip someone sent says, Walt Chamberlain in the conspiracy factory probably has to do with you thinking, Walt Chamberl wins game is fake and they're probably like why do people think this that's so

that clip is hilarious because it's very stupid but the funniest thing in the world i've never seen a funnier video that's actually so funny i'm so hyped that's what is the next surprise i guess it's my turn yep uh what i want to do next i have on here Pistons record already we did that okay uh i also wrote down pelicans and competence which you touched on in the other version i will say Houston being the number one office offense in the league for a majority of the season and just being an offensive slanted team in the same way they are a defensive slanted team like on some nights they win with offense and I find that to be incredibly surprising yeah yeah like if you would have came into

the year and told me that they were the fucking number one offense in the league immediately my brain thinks holy shit Reed Sheper is the real deal the number three overall pick from last year has came up out of the scene he said fuck friend Emily I'm here I'm giving you 20 a night five assists the game and all that you're going to say that didn't have happen. It is happening now, though. The past three games, that shit is happening now. So like, now you're going to say they're doing it without that. But now they're getting that too without KD in some of these games. So we'll see when they finally get everything together. But Reid is finally coming around in the past week. There's been some games where he's been

the best player on the court. Synchman said a couple slower games as of late. Reed's been on fire. They started him in the last game. Rockets fans are excited to see him finally be able to start. Everything is coming together for this team right now offensively. And are they still number won an offensive rating as a recording this? I believe they're number one. Oh, wait, they might be. They might have dropped. Denver overtook them by 0.3 points.

Okay, yeah, I figured with those couple of slow Sun Goon games and Katie missing some time. But nevertheless, being top two is baffling. And a big part of that is because they stopped doing the double big thing quite as much. I think that kind of hit a wall of like, we can only lean so far into this gimmick. You know, eventually it's going to lead to the things that we saw from the beginning as being a downside that they were able to mitigate for so long, which they still can mitigate that.

They're still going to go to that plenty. It'll still be a weapon come playoff time. but from a regular season perspective, you can't really start that as expected. It doesn't matter because Josh Okoji is Dylan Brooks reincarnated. He's been great. They're not even getting like Great and Men Thompson

for a lot of these games. He really hasn't made the leap offensively anybody wanted to see and they're still a top flight offensively. Shengun is a superstar offensively. KD. fits perfectly with him. KD. can't dribble anymore. They're not even getting like what we saw from KD last year.

Katie has no handle, can't attack downhill with any type of gap coverage. he's really easy to rip has taken a step back and it doesn't matter because his fit is so good with shangoon so much is going well for them despite something is going poorly yeah exactly and shout out to tarry isa for still shooting 50% from the three-point line shooting insanely well he wants that bag bro shout out to jabari smith junior covering of all the leakers that happens at times on the perimeter and on the hiccups because he's still like a flamethrowers to this day last year

they shot 35% from the three-point line and they were you know not a good three-point shooting team at all. This year, they're shooting 42% right. That's a 7% increase with just simply adding someone like KD and also role players around them getting better. And also the main different, they're only 15th and a half court offense right now, which is good enough when your defense is so great. And it's still goddamn great whenever you have no shooting still relatively to the rest of the league. They're second in the league in transition efficiency. Only 27th in transition frequency, which is probably a bit surprising. They don't run a tremendous amount but that that honestly makes sense though because you know when you have when you have the

double bigs when you have kd also as well like his his style of play like i'm that yeah that's not that's not super shocking i think watching them and especially in the early part of the of the season there were so many games that and it even even now like it's so happened like you can go and watch the game against denver they just turned the ball over so much yeah so much so much it's like there's just passes going everywhere people are getting ripped like things are things are not going their way and so when you see teams it's always shocking when you see teams that give the ball away at a high rate and still are at the like tip top of the league and the only one that i can truly remember because they're just like the greatest at it was those warriors where you know

they're going to be top three in offensive rating they're also going to lead the league in turnovers and so seeing the rockets be able to do that without a point guard and some of those flaws that we thought were going to be an issue, not having, not having Fred, not having this veteran point guard that knows how to set everything up that can take care of the ball in these high leverage moments, knowing that they're losing that battle, and it still doesn't matter because their offense is that good, that's been the most surprising thing watching them. Yeah.

And what's so interesting, too, is that going back to what you said about the warriors are able to, like, surpass all those things too, because, of course, they have, or had someone like Katie, of course, but more notoriously, Steph, Clay, and. they just generated a lot of threes. The markets shoot less threes, five less threes than they did last year, and they're dead last in the league in three-point attempts. Last year, they blew our fucking doors off

by rebounding 35% of their misses in the half court. We said, how could anybody have this ridiculous of an offensive rebound percentage as a thing they focus on and execute so consistently despite game planning? And they're sure it went to 5%. It's 40% right now. That's outlandish.

You rebound 40% of your misses? That's crazy. Almost half? That's fucking crazy. Two years ago was 26%. That's insane. It's legitimately like their offense. Yeah.

And like that is so. I don't think people comprehend. Like everyone knows this. That's a defining thing people talk about. I don't know if people realize just how outlier of a skill that is and how unusual it is to win that way in the modern NBA and how big of a gap that is over what everybody else is doing. I'll pull it up in a second to see everybody's ratings.

I'm willing to bet there's not more than three teams over 30%. If that, they might be the only one over 30%. Like that is crazy. That is like a team in the next. 90s shooting 45% from three. Like that is, this does not happen. And it'll be like them shooting a hundred threes a game because they're focusing on crashing so much.

And I do think like obviously this is a team wide emphasis thing. Everybody over there is a good rebounder. But I think talking about skill wide like niche skills, this is probably one of the more underrated skills for what makes guys stars, what makes guys superstar big men. And I'm not saying Sengoon is that. But if you take what he's been doing offensive in the glass and like explode that times 10 that's fucking Nicole yoked as well and that's a part of the reason why he's so damn good

because he's going to get so many bites at the apple and at times two it's scary because he don't even need that many bites because he's wildly efficient off the first lick okay I was wrong there is a lot of teams over 30% but there's only two teams over 35% I didn't know what that line was what elite was there's two teams over 35%

we have Houston at one Portland is also in the same same type of game here there's currently have 36% off and 3% percentage 34 for Detroit who is also playing that smash mouth. Phoenix at 33%. Shout on Mark Williams.

Yeah, the interesting part. The interesting part about it is that, and shout out to James Hardin, this is now twice in the last decade, in the last 10 years, that the Rockets have been on the forefront of offensive trends because obviously the Rockets and their three ball, their money ball, you're doing that. If you go last year, there were eight teams above 30% in terms of offensive rebounding percentage in the half court. this year that's a in terms of 30 percentage that number is grown to like 11 because you see teams trying to copy and just trying interesting try not only trying to copy but just like just trying to match whatever they're doing and so with the rockets and their success offensively and then with the thunder and then winning a championship with chet and heartenstein the nicks their only viable option to be a good defensive team even with what the tim wolves did a couple years ago you've seen teams try to really

dial back in on playing two traditional bigs or just playing two bigs at a time. And so this is like, this is the new margin of where, where we can win at. Like if you can win the three point battle or if you can offer to rebound your own misses and keep the ball on your side of the floor,

that's what teams are trying to do right now. And so I don't even know if it's new necessarily because if you even think about it. I think it's been like unappreciated. Some of the things that led to throwback like the 2015, 26 cats. 16 calves to be so damn good is because Tristan Thompson got paid him millions of dollars because he was specifically one of the best of the league at offensive rebounding.

That's why he was around for such a long time. And that's what gave them a chance against the all-time team in the Golden State Warriors. And we're just seeing it like, we're actually like noticing it as like one of the more important or one of the more underprecha and important like skills in the NBA. So it's been there. Because you see teams, you see teams make the choice in what they were. want to do like do you want to be a team that crashes the boards or do you want to be a team that like that is saying you know we'll kind of give you that we can see that a little bit and now we're

going to get back in transition and play transitioned defense if you can figure out a way one to do both obviously like like that's awesome but if you're going to if you're going to pick one let's go all in and let's let's be on the side of we're we're going to we're going to keep having the ball in our possession and it's not only like just getting off of the rebounds to get a layup right right back at the rim we can get these offensive rebounds immediately turn around everybody's out of position i can spray right back out to a three yeah and get that so it it makes sense why the rockets are prioritizing it especially if you have kd standing there recheper um is now hooping and you can do all

of those things i may you know because one of the best coaches in the league man still to this day that's fair i have one more that will breeze by because uh we talked about this at length as of late but this is definitely surprised to me and i'm But I'm a bit mad about it. Okay. We interviewed Tyris Maxie. Yes, we did. What was that?

Four months ago? Was it during the summer? Yeah. I can remember the time on. When was that? This was in July, I think. We interviewed Tyrus Maxi in July. We sat down with him in a great conversation.

He didn't tell us that he was about to become a top 12 player in the world. Why did he give us forewarning that he's going to become a goddamn superstar? Why did he give us an inkling that he planned on becoming one of the best shooters and scores in the NBA this year? That would have been real good to know. We could have been headed some things. We could have made some money off that. You can't let them know your next move. You think you can't.

I could have bet the overs on him for the first week of the game. Nobody would have made a fortune. Oh, yeah, he couldn't tell us that thing. Yeah, you're right. Let me not. He's like, I can't tell anybody. Come on, man. Tyreys Maxie is now a superstar.

And that is at least somewhat surprising. Obviously, he's already a very good player. But he was a very good player with like an understanding of his role he's played next to Duelan Beat, how he's grown from promising young player drafted in the late first round to, oh, thank God we have this guy because of the, Ben Simmons didn't work. And he's our new supportive guard next to Joelle and Bede.

He's flourishing as the years go on when Joelle Embed is one the best players in the world. Tyrese gets better and better, gets playoff moments, continues to grow into a skill set, but is viewed as like one of the more elite second option

sidekicks to a big man. That's kind of been the framework. Last couple years, as Joel Embed has struggled. There's been some growing pains where he has to learn this new world he's operating in where he's going to be the primary scoring option

and dealing with that defensive attention he gets, whether or not that has anything to do with his skill set it was a like a just a growth into a new era right he's fully grown into that now he has no issue handling this type of usage he looks to me like he's on the same level as donovan mitchell now how do you feel the only question that i would ask you about it is how do you feel about 40 minutes a night why i mean ridiculous obviously that's not sustainable that's the only thing outside outside of that and do you you know what i'm saying you can do whatever you want

you have all the opportunity in in the world and even whenever you are looking at at it at from like per 36 or like or you try to adjust it for the minutes or for for the possessions it's still clear he's better right this is not just a pure volume thing with him and I think it was interesting talking talking to him because when we were interviewing him and we were pre before we're like it is crazy he's the vet now yeah right and he really is is in this different era of his career where he's been the psychic, like you said, to Joel and B, to James Hardin, and now you have to come in here, you have to lead training camp.

You have to be, you have to be the main one. Like, you are the, you are the guy at this point and seeing him instantly just take advantage of that opportunity to where he's scoring 30 a night. That's ridiculous. One of the best scores in league, 41% from 3, 51% from 2, 12 3 is a game. But also, look at this playmaking category here on Data Baller. He currently only has a passing turnover on 9% of his passes.

That's not bad at all, 79th percentile. 3.5 rim assists a game, 78th percentile. He's legitimately improving as a passer. And he was never like a black hole, but he was a combo guard. He was a guy that I wouldn't classify as like an above average playmaker for the position for the usage, you know? Like he was like, that was fine. Like he was like Jamal Murray or something where like he can execute a play, keep the ball moving. But he's not Trey Young.

He's not John Morant as a passer. That wasn't a defining strength. the playmaking has gotten more and more impressive this year. It looks like he's learning from this new role he's in and getting better at it as the time goes on. There's, it's so hard in the league. We've talked about it before to make

the, okay, like you're a cool all-star, you're a cool all-star, traditional all-star, Peruvian all-star, whatever, you know, to take, go from there to becoming damn near like a top 10 player. He improved across all at all feet of the game. He's a much better three-point shooter than he was last

year. Last year, he took nine-three as a game. The only difference between then he went from shooting nine, nine still. He was shooting 33% last year. This year he's shooting all nine attempts, 41% from three point line, right? He's also getting to the line more compared to what he was doing last year as well. He's also finishing more at the rim compared to what he was doing last year as well. He's just an all-around better player. And year by year by year, we all have like, there's always like certain all-star level players

who we see and feel and kind of want them to be like the next star. In the mid-2000s or early 2010s, it was someone like Paul George. But everyone sees him like, oh, my God, this guy's looking, looking LeBron in the eye, taking the heat to a tough six games or whatever it is. Obviously, things happen in his career, and he flatlined, and he kind of reached his ceiling as, like, an all-star level guy. We see this happen time and time again, and I think this is one of the few rare instances where he is, I'm not going to say he's experiencing what someone, like,

Shea's doing or whatever, in which he, like, broke that ceiling. But it's feeling like that right now in terms of, yeah, he's, there's a leap here, and he's clearly different from the normal group or normal crop of all-stars that we like to sneak him into. It's feeling like the first Shay leap. She made about three leaps since then and now was one of the greatest players of all time.

But it's feeling like the first Shea leap where he went from like promised young guy that can maybe be in all-star conversations to oh, this is an all-MBA level player. Like look at these numbers. Seven free throws a game is obviously great. 45% from Florida range. That's a star caliber traits.

Obviously 41% for three is crazy. And you take away the 40 minutes per game just like at per 75. Still a 29.9 points. Still elite number. for 61% true shooting. He's one of the five best scores in the league right now, bro. Technically the second best score in the league.

And points your game, yeah. Yes. That's insane. Kat's freaking out on here. She's so, like, mind-balled by these stats. That's why. Yeah, this is the guy who's truly made the leap. This is going to be probably an all-star starter in the east, undeatably.

Yeah. Yeah, I do, I do agree. What's your next surprise? My next surprise. Along that, along those lines to you, I did write Austin Reeves and Tyres Maxie making star leave. Austin Reeves are ridiculous for a lot of those same reasons as well. Yeah. But moving on to that, because we talked about that time and time again,

I did not come into the year thinking that on Yika Okongwu was going to be one of the five best shooting big men that the entire league has to fucking offer, but what's he at right now? At this point in time last year, last year he made throughout the entire season, 48 total threes. This year, he's already made 33 threes and he's shooting 40% from the, the line. He had a game against, I think it was the Phoenix Suns, where he had eight threes in that singular game and was a big beneficial factor as to why, like, we not dumped them out, but won a tough game on the road, bro. The Hawks this year has had already, like, their schedule was

kind of wonky. He played, I think they're tied up with maybe the Warriors in terms of who played the most game so far this year, and he played a lot of away games as well. And his shooting and his, and that leap and that just like, that thing that we've been waiting for, that lever in his game that we've been waiting for that he's trying to grow over the last two three seasons is finally here and now i look at him i'm like yeah bro like you are the you are not my franchise center but you are the center for my team for the next five years because you have clearly like that's that's a skill you showed a skill that makes you different from anyone else but this whole time throwed his grab and waiting for him to develop something outlier that he's like that i can call him one of the best at and it's here that's the way to phrase it we'd think about it like he's obviously you're a hawks fans we talk about him a fair amount probably more than any other podcast and like every time you'll learn about a Yonaka Kongu here

yeah years where you were like I love when Yonaka Kongu waiting for the breakout and I'm like well I don't love him yetka Kong I'm not a Hawks fan I really care about the trajectory when is he going to be good at something like in a particular fashion

on offensive side especially obviously defensively know he's mobile has some trace there that are good not top of the league to where it can mitigate the lack of offensive development we need to see something that is a calling card offensively something that provides

plus value before I can say like he we need to prioritize him and rebuild this would be that having a mobile big who can shoot threes that is an archetype that helps you win games tremendously in the playoffs look at you guys step by step

everybody doing their job everybody getting better at their craft except my bad my bad the threes are 38% of his shot diet right now double from last year when it was 19%

it's an emphasis and he truly got better at it now we'll say only 37% of his shots come at the rim, which is downright terrible, but there needs to be a medium there. This is why he's actually, this is actually the least efficient year of his career in terms of effective football percentage. I wonder why the dictator is out right now.

The dictator does great thing. Sometimes the dictator's offense is what needs to happen. True. I don't fucking like it or not. You're right. The dictator is needed for Renekeh specifically. He needs a dictator bad. Shout out Nikola Alexander Walker.

He's been a bucket. He's not set enough these lives for Roneka. Dude. He said, listen, I mean, everybody has, you know, some things that are good about them. Every dictator is not all bad. I mean, there are philosophy, philosophies that might be true. So let me tell you about Maoism.

If you're looking at him just as a leader, like, he mobilized people. To a battle strategy. He appealed to people. Mobilizing a voter base. But yeah, obviously, he is the biggest benefactor to Trey Young. And you know, so you might lose more games when you have Trey Young, but O'Neiko will get more lob dunks. So hopefully, if that can be clicking and he can be feeding off of that while shooting the threes, We can see a special season.

That is true. Yeah. All right. A or B? A. All right. I am shocked. What if I said B?

You don't care? No. Sorry. You should have said B faster. I am shocked that Portland sucks on defense right now. I am shocked. I think that they, I thought that they had a chance to be a legitimate, like, top eight team.

And now it looks like they're going to be fighting for the plate. They're nine. But like they're eight and ten. They look like they're going to be. track to be under 500, I thought that they were going to be able to take a little bit more of a leap forward this year. And last year, they finished the year, like, post-January 1, they were one of the best defenses in the league. And this year, right now, they are one of the worst defenses in the league. They are 21st in defense. I did not see that coming. I thought

that their entire, you know, the idea of the Portland Trailblazers started and stopped with their defense and that is not the case right now. So yeah, I'm very surprised by that. I wasn't even aware that defense was bad now. I overlook Portland in their defensive conversations. I was not aware of this whatsoever. They were top five.

They were a top five defense in the second half of last season. And we've mentioned it before, but we haven't really talked about it. Like, Blazers fans are upset because they are very, very mad at too many cameras. And that I have seen. He is too many cameras right now. You're absolutely right.

They're like, listen, shout out to you. We know you've been in the lab trying to get these buckets off. You need a lock in and play some defense. They're currently 14th in the league at rim field goal percentage, a 66.5, which is fine. But they're 25th and effective focal percentage given up. That's because they are food from every other spot on the court. 26th in short midrange, 27th in long mid range, 22nd from three. They are getting lit up in every jump shooting area.

Tiago split is over there playing Fruit Ninja lineups, bro. What is he doing? bro yeah 25th overall and efficiency given up and i got i got more into it so you i'm sure they're losing the turnover battle and stuff too but yeah just getting lit up across the field yeah it's it's hard now they're like you're right they're the ninth best team in the west right now at least according to the to the standings or whatever but i want to have an argument against this but i can't because i'm like oh shit like drew hard he hasn't been back he hasn't been playing he's been out these last few games but even then bro like they let they let they let they got

118 dropped on them dropped on them 119, 114, 113, 1-134, 123 there, one of the worst defenses that the league has to fucking offer, but it's sad and it's weird. I got to look into that. Yeah, I think weird is the best word because you look up and down the roster and you have guys who, even if they're not,

like even Drew Holiday at this age, Drew Holiday is never going to be a bad defender in his life. He's missed a lot of games of late. And so, but he's not, he's not, I mean, even when he was there, It didn't matter. It's been a season long thing of them not being like a top five defense.

But you've had like he's, he's not going to be bad. Obviously, to Mani Kamarro was a guy that people were putting on all defense last year. You have, you have pieces across your team. That'll do it. They're eighth worst in turnovers. They turn the ball over a lot. Denny's their elite playmaker. I turn over player.

And they're 25th in transition defense efficiency. That's a pretty bad combination. You turn over a lot. You don't get back very well. That'll do it. That's terrible. That'll do it. And so I am.

I'm just shocked that it's been, it's been like this to start the year. Yeah. I still, hopefully if they're able to turn it around, which I have no reason to believe why they wouldn't necessarily. But if they do, they're right at tracking in terms of where I had them in my predictions list. My next surprise of the season,

which I will let Donovan ISO on because I don't have a real opinion on it. I'm passively observing and noticing this. And it's the opposite of what I expected. And that is Carlin Towns having the worst scoring year of his prime, pretty much plain like ass. when Mike Brown came in with this obviously he wasn't like this is my only thing I'm focused on

but I think from a fan perspective the main thing we're looking for is getting a coach that will maximize Carl Anthony Towns that is kind of the main boogeyman that we hung over Tom Tippettow's head is that yeah he did a lot of things right yeah you let do a lot of success

year after year you are a good productive coach that brought New York basketball back to life pretty much single-handedly well him and Jaylon Brunton held hands but Carl Entie Towns did not have the best structure to thrive offensively last year.

And Lord knows he doesn't have the best skills to thrive defensively. So we got to maximize the hell out of his scoring. Otherwise, it's hard to win with a Brunson cat nucleus. So in comes Mike Brown, an offensive slanted coach who did great things

with DeMontas Savonis as a playmaking hub. Did great things there, getting good offensive production out of him and tricking people into thinking to DeMata Savonis are the top five big in the league. So it was okay, let's bring some of that magic and repair Carl Lee Towns his PR.

And my god, is he struggling? Tell me about it, Donovan. and why is cat not good right now? You're funny, man. Well, I would like to say, did he just abuse the Nets? Yes, he just had 37 last night. Oh, thank God.

Thank God, I missed that, thank God. Shout out to that performance. His games, like the... Shout out the Brooklyn stimulus package. Shut out. You need it. That's the Easter conference for you. That is your get right game, right?

The biggest thing, honestly, is it's been his shooting from three. He hasn't been the same guy. and he's he's shooting 33% from from three the the shot diet is relatively the same I think overall right now like one one that shooting will come back like he is going to he is going to shoot in the high 30s in the low 40s that is what he has done for its entire career is he just missing shots or is there a shot quality thing do you feel like I don't I don't even feel like it's a I don't feel like it's a it's a shot quality thing I think I feel like so like cat has

he has this this very quick trigger three in transition that he likes to take I feel like I've seen that more than than last year maybe that's just me like noticing or just harping on it more

but I feel like some of the threes that they've taken are like even more ill-ad bias but honestly a lot of times I'm just like dang he's just missing shots and I do think that eventually once those start to

to drop everything will be good because he is he does look a little bit more aggressive getting to the basket. He does feel at least offensively a little bit more physical than what he was last year. That's interesting because obviously

the 3-point shot 33% down from 42 the past two years been close to 40s or above 40 his entire career. That will bounce back, right? He's not going to shoot 33% for the rest of the year. But if you look at the top here,

rim, short, mid are these first two categories and left. The worst of his career by a wide margin from the inside the arc stuff too. It's crazy. Yeah, there's been games where he's, like, forced it. Yeah, and it's been like...

That's what I think it is. That makes sense? Overall, I think it's just decision-making and getting into the, getting used to the rhythm of a Mike Brown-led offense. He's trying to, I see that he's, like, actively trying to get more teammates involved, maybe to a degree where it's leading to being reckless. The other day, I saw him throw a lob to Yabuselli, bro, bro. Like, Gershawai, I was like catching lobs, the most, like, ground-bound player. And I say that why he did, like, posterize and get LeBron on his back. But you know what I mean?

Like that's just something that you shouldn't be doing at all. I think he's just finding his ways and like figuring out a good rhythm to this offense right now. Yeah, he will get back to being the offensive player that we've known him to be. And the third in offense too. But you're that, yeah, that word reckless is the, it is the best word because when, when Kat is at his worst, that is what we're looking at. We're looking at somebody who takes just bad three's quick trigger. threes like there's been so many times even if it's not to pull up three in transition you'll see him take threes on the wing with like 20 seconds left on the on the shot clock and you'll live with

it sometimes because it's like all right you for your career you shot 40% from there other times like we didn't really need that and so seeing him barrel into into the basket I will say sometimes he's not I feel like his whistle sometimes is a little like is a little bad but it's kind of fair because a lot of times he's going downhill he's out of control so you can't get the benefit of that whistle when you're you know you're you're you're flopping around and doing all this stuff it is it is going to going to take time but for everybody else in this offense hey man we're doing we're doing good and it'll it'll work out it'll be fine but yeah it hasn't been been the best start for cat but i do think things will normalize yeah you would have to assume so right at this age when

you're not at a point where you there's any reasonably the physical falloff is there you have so many years where you've you've literally never been an inefficient big since you step into the league You're honestly, across modern NBA history, one of the most consistent scoring bigs you've ever seen. If we can do a lot of flaws with your game, scoring from the field consistently has never been a flaw. Hard to assume that would be the case now. So it's really a matter of time, it feels like. But it's 16 games. It's worth noticing.

Hopefully that Brooklyn game can get him going on track. He's had a couple of good games against Brooklyn. The last time you played Brooklyn, he was 0 for 2 from 3, still had 28. He's just going to feast against him. Let's play them every game. What's the next five games looking like? Do we have a get-right schedule coming up soon? What is the Nick's schedule?

Nix, I'll pull it up right here on the screen. Who are the stinkers? Yeah, do we have more stinkers to go up against next. And you know what? Yes, we do. We have the Hornets tomorrow. Great get-right game. We have the Bucks.

On Black Friday. Nice. No, you're honest. Get-right game. Raptors, that's going to be hard. They're defending at an incredible level right now. That's going to be interesting. In Celtics, which obviously always well coached, but they don't have bigs.

But still, weirdly enough, they're one of the best. room defenses in the league. And then the Hornets and the Jazz at home, we're back, baby. We're about to start cooking. There's a couple of teams in the middle of the Celtics and Raptors will make you work for it. He and the bucks at some extent will too. But this six game stretch should be a get right stretch for Kat, hopefully.

Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. What's the next surprise? My next surprise, I can't believe out of our, this is our third year podcasting. Correct. Third year podcasting.

I'm saying this. But the key, it's only. been two games. The Keegan Murray Leap might be fucking here, bro. Two games? Keegan, fuck the tank, Murray, bro. He looks incredibly different. I'm gonna let you guys.

It's been two games, but the two games that he's played, it's with a different level of this like aggression, you know, and he's both games, he's like, bro, he's tough. Brother. Ask me if I'll watch those two games. Brother. I have not, I'm not watching the, so bonus isn't playing right? No, he's

I'm not watching the Kings without Subotis. Yeah. I'm not doing it. He's out with a tour menaceous for like a month, a damn near a month and a half or so. Okay, so we'll have to watch a list at some point. This week I have not. So tell me what Keegan Murray's look like.

Kegan Murray, again, if you guys are watching a TD3 Monday, 4 p.m. central time, 4.30 central time. Isaac, you said that why not go ahead and trade everyone, including fucking King and Murray. And I think right now with Keegan Murray, what he displayed for these two specific games, he's playing like he's giving the King's front office fake hope. He looks like an untouchable piece. Fake hope.

I think he's a truly intouchable piece. What he's doing defensively is remarkable, but offensively it's their night and day with him there because he is like the all-around player that they need in terms of someone who can score at all three levels and seeing how, brother, I get it. Brother.

I know, no, no, no, we're not laughing at you. I know, I know. I pull up the numbers and I was looking at it just to see. I saw Rip Philgopercentry 100%. And I ran over his five. He was giving Rudy, Rudy go over our fucking buckets, bro. He had post-fate, turn on.

Mike Brown you're not any idiot I see what you were talking about You guys remember like two years ago You were saying yeah man In order for us to go ahead Five and like turn the key Five attempts Brother

Brother He gave Rudy Gobert was fighting for his life He was fighting for his life Brough post fade from Keegan Murray Mike Brown I see the fucking vision Now fighting for his life Is five attempts in two games

So who's fighting for his life on what Is it either two or three plays Brother He was getting to the rim aggressively top of that too. I think so far he's taking like, I don't know, five free throws as well throughout the between these last

two games too. So it's not necessarily having my case out. He hasn't got the call just yet. But I'm telling you, be on the fucking watch. I believe it. That's cool. I hope he has a good breakout season, but we've been waiting for it for two years. He got fouled once, got an one. Yeah. And they got fouled once in another game. Yeah. And he yelled and I was like,

oh, you got me. He got me, bro. But I think the leap is here. You got me. That the kings aren't going to be as terrible or as disaster. Which is sad for us because we want to sell them. We want them to sell everything off, but they're not going to be as bad. Hold on. I believe you that King and Murray will, these two games you saw. I believe you that he might look better and is going to have a good breakout season, hopefully.

I will not believe you that you're buying it on the Kings not being a disaster. No, they're a disaster still. I did not say they were not a disaster. Okay. I think they're not as much as a disaster. What does that mean? There's 12 seed instead of 15? Too much.

Oh, okay. 13. Let's say 13. Let's say 13. Let's say 13. I hope you continue to say this. Obviously, Lord knows they need a. spark they need some type of progression from you know promising rookie year past two years he's

approved as a rim score but the shot hasn't come along the handle hasn't come along too much that people kind of like stagnated the expectations which are probably just to where they should have been as an older prospect remember after the rookie year he was kind of the face of listen man take older prospects hi clearly keegan murray is going to keep continuing to get better then that kind of slowed down that conversation kind of fizzled out yeah would be cool to see him finally had that moment. Yeah, I remember, like, we expected the Kings to be better, like, two years ago, whatever, and they kind of stagnated.

And Mike Brown was like, you know, we didn't have any off-season addition. The addition is Keegan Murray and his growth and development. And we're just, like, laughing in all their faces. That's fair. Good stuff. Yeah, I'm going to church you on that one. The five attempts killed me. Yeah.

I just hovered over it and popped up 500%. D'Marst, this is his team. Crazy work, bro. It's got to be somebody's team. All right, DeMont. So somebody's got to want it. It's not Malik Monk's team. I'll tell you that.

Let's see. Oh, let's talk about somebody that along those lines, we thought was going to be a disaster and not a complete disaster. The Phoenix Suns actually pretty competent. Top 10 in defense right now. And also, they're getting buckets from Dylan Brooks. How many buckets? Endless.

Endless. Now, when I first looked at their defense. right now, they are 10. They got clapped last night, but the Houston Rockets, right? That number did go down. However, prior to the Rockets game, they were top eight. They have, they have been hooping. They have been buying in on the defensive side of the ball.

And Dylan Brooks, since he came back from, he missed a couple games because of injury. But after that, he's getting, he's getting buckets. He's scored 30. He had 29 last night. He's averaging 22 points over his. Dude, he's taking 17 shots a game. And that's crazy. That's fucking ridiculous.

He's taking 17 shots a game. He's averaging the most points he's ever scored in a career. He's being the most efficient that he's ever been from the field overall. He is, he is being very, very good for this, for this team. And so when you add that, when you add, when you add, when you add book, you add some of these. Mark Williams playing really well as well. They are, they are a team that they, they are the 60 right now. Do I think they're going to end up in the top six?

No. Do I think that they are going to legitimately be a playing team and can scare people in the playing tournament. Yes, I do. I think that what the Phoenix Suns have done to start the year legitimately show that they are not the worst team in the West of Conference closer to what we thought that they were going to be. And they are a legitimate team in the conference. Jordan Ott is a very good coach. You know, there's no coincidence that the Cavs are really struggling in non-darius garland minutes and his games he misses because their offense is really falling apart in several ways because apparently Jordan Ott was the architect of that system. And now we get

here and the phoenix sons especially without dillon brooks are devoid of ball handling especially we know jalen green there who's also been hurt and there's still ninth an offensive rating factoring out garbage time according to cleaning the glass based on their net rating they would have an expected win total over 82 games of 53 wins sounds like jordan not is going to quickly get to be one of those guys that is recognized as one of the best up-and-coming coaches yep it's jordan not royce o'neillin bruce and allan callin gillipsy like so it's jordan not is what you're saying Those are his names. Yeah, but all these guys, too,

are just performing at a top line level as well. And shout out Jordan, not putting in the position to be able to get the best version themselves. Even then. I'm Booker, man. Booker's playing good too. Dude, the stuff that I have seen Dylan Brooks do

over over the... He had a play last night, and they end up calling him those multiple. But he is doing, like, spin, moves, step. I ain't go lie. If I seen that on my screen, I would think I'm in hell. Bro, he's taking people off the dribble

Dylan Brooks is driving, spinning, taking stepbacks, middies, not knocking them down. He had another play where he's in his bag, pump fakes, step through to get the layup. He missed the layup. But the ability to get into that, those moves, I would have never, ever thought that I was going to see Dylan Brooks have a bag like this and be able to showcase his scoring ability. And he's taking step back threes and the shot clock off to dribble stuff. he's been so good for them offensively and then obviously just being Mr. Dylan Brooks and doing what he does for that team

overall the rise in competency in this team is very very shocking and it is very cool to see and I am like not like happy to see because I was wrong but like it's cool to be happy if it's cool this might be wrong

I mean no like I would love if everything I said was correct to start the year I'm not going to go a fuck if I get 11 through 15 rights also it was fun the the things that I'm mad that I was wrong about

is whenever I hate the most because then I know like you gotta you gotta apologize I'm not gonna do it and then it's like next like I said earlier next year the suns are gonna suck

and then it's like is there anybody looking at the standings I guess that's most of my I don't have any more huge ones to talk about we kind of hit on everything Keante George

his oh yeah they're shooting well Yeah, like, well, he's shooting well from everywhere except for three. But like, but that's going to turn around because I think he's, he's been known to be a good three-point shooter. He's, okay, he's bad. At least last two years before this season. Yeah, but I think like seeing, seeing, seeing him and seeing some of the buckets that he's been able to get.

And there's been times throughout this jazz rebuild, when we've been looking at at Kianti George, we've been looking at just their point guard rotation in general and keep saying the point guard of the future is not on this team. seeing Keanuce George go from being in those conversations to now like oh no he legitimately is a good player and he can be on this team like moving forward and you would feel comfortable with him there and if you do feel like his three point shot is going to come around then offensively he still has really another level to get to yeah yeah i agree this is someone someone that i talked about earlier in this earlier in this season he looks just insanely different compared to last year he's attacking the room like a fucking madman, which is leading him to take the leap in terms of

where you lie on the scorebox, which is, yo, he's going to hell of free throws. And he's switching up his shot diet completely feel like. 73% of the rim right now. That's a star number. 50% from Florida range. Star number. 41% from long mid range. Very good.

Two point shot is still below average, never has been above average for a single moment of his career. Except for corner three's last year. He was sniper on 70. attempts last year, but non-corner-3s, he's been 32% every year of his career. Probably just not going to be something that's in his game ever. But if he can be an effective inside the arc score like this, with the spacing they have and all that motion, that is an interesting player for the court.

As long as he hovers around like 34% or whatever, you're not a black hole on offense. And that's all that matters at the end of the day. Well, should get back up there for the first time. He saw like 34 last year, so he'll be right. Yeah, because, yeah, killing from the corners. Yeah, which is good. But above the R3 for a lead ball, I think I definitely want to see that as well. league average which isn't it crazy at 34 is like below league average now like pretty

meaningfully yeah league average is like 36 and a half is that thought it was 30 yeah I guess everything everything everything's going off this fucking inflation of efficiency keeps going up year by year that's I was thinking the same thing while I was watching uh while I was looking at Dylan Brooks stats I was like Dylan Brooks is averaging 22 a game and like again he's been he's been hooping but like damn that's crazy yeah we need to bring the league back from 2012 you can see the average on clean the glass right now league average from three on us frequency I was going to say what 36% flat right now

is league average Wow Which is look at every formation right here 36% league average from 3 From the corner is 37.7% Wow That's crazy On average teams are shooting

37.7% from the corners Yeah That's berserk League average Effectly Fulgo percentage is 54.4 Yeah Good stuff I only had two more surprises

One of them Kind of irrelevant But it's worth noticing right now for at least the next three weeks. Payton Watson, he's shooting 40% from three this season. Now, that number is highly fake. I don't think it's going to do that because for the first 13 games of the year, he shot 5 and 19 from 3.

And over the last, I think it's been four games. He's shooting 50% from 3. He's hit like 19 out of some crazy number, but that's insane. And I think now that Aaron Gordon is injured, and also Christian Bronsinger too. This is his time and his moment to like feast as a role player. And I feel like these last few games, last four games specifically that I've seen him play, he has a different level of confidence whenever Nicola Yoakish dishes off those dimes,

those all-time dimes that we see. And I feel like the energy from to like actually make these buckets in the concert for him to make these buckets and he's doing so. So that's worth noting. My last take or my last surprise. the newest greatest nickname in the NBA 18 and 8 man ah yeah oh we should definitely talk about that oh man we I think the biggest surprise for me personally is that we need to recalibrate expectations on him last year star the star that year was Scotty barns we recalibrated expectations on him

completely this year it's looking like it might be evan mowgli because so far his shot died and how they're displacing him and how he's not taking advantage of smaller players and all that, how he's not like going off for explosive runs and explosive performances, which is why people call him 1880, man.

It's just, I'm just noticing something. Yeah, it doesn't feel like we're going to get, at least this year, we'll see, but this is kind of a pivotal age point for this type of leap. It doesn't feel like that offensive creation leap is really ever going to come,

at least not this year. It feels like he's desperately missing Darius Garland as setting him up for these looks. He got last year was amazing, cutting last year from the short mid-range area in that offense. Fantastic play finisher around the room. This year came

into the year with a clear, clear desire to expand his game to the three-point line and get these long takes in isolation from the top of the key into the rim. Not his bad right now. The handle hasn't fully developed well enough. The physicality didn't take a jump. The burst didn't take a jump. The shooting didn't take a jump.

Feels like he's still pretty limited in ways that he clearly doesn't want to be limited. Yeah. That's sad, man. And I think, too, I think I said this on a TD3 again, tap the fucking Monday 4.30 p.m. Eastern time or central time. If this is not the year for the Cleveland Cavaliers, it will never be the year, at least with this current form of them. Yeah.

It's, it was, yeah, they, they need to be all four of them together clicking at all cylinders. And I don't know if it's, I don't think it's going to happen. If I, if I had to bet right now, I don't think it would happen. hard to say because he just haven't seen garland so like yeah to not bet it's just like to not bet on his health so like I have no clue like when with a few games he's played they look excellent and we said oh it looks like gas basketball they're back when they're big when they're big four's there they have a plus 77 on the floor right like that yeah like ridiculous it's like it really does come down to do you think they'll be they'll be whole or not because like they didn't lose last year because they weren't whole that's why they lost like it's really just can they be all together at the right time yeah they probably won't because is there really any reason that i mean they're sure you can say the backcourt's too small the front court's not skilled enough. Like there's reasons to doubt them. But we haven't seen those reasons be the reasons they lose. It's pretty much been health and availability.

Somebody's always hurt. At least in this era since Kenny Atkinson got there. Obviously before that, some of that stuff came to when they got fucking bludgeon by the Knicks. But that was a long time ago now. In this era with Donovan Mitchell, Kenny Atkinson, health has really been the story. Yeah. Yeah, man. The last thing is not a full surprising thing.

We do have to just notice. Now, I didn't think that they were going to be like amazing, amazing, but the Orlando Magic and the fact that they are just like, mad, is like, damn. It's very, it's very disappointing. In the last few games. On the year, on the year, offensively, they are 14th right now. In the last two weeks, guess what they are?

They are 11th? Seventh. Yeah, man, that's good. Guess what's changed in the last two weeks? I don't know, man. I think someone's missing. I don't know. They...

A little bit less peanut butter in the air? A little less like Italy in the air. Since November 12th when they played the Knicks and Palo played 12 minutes and got hurt in that game, he's missed six games since then. It's been roughly about two weeks. And this offense and this team that we have looked at for years now and said they are not good. They can't work together. there they aren't they aren't this they aren't that they have been a top 10 offense for the last

two weeks again we're not saying anything definitive we are just noticing what's going on he's saying everything without saying standing no we're just we're just noticing because he does we do have to give palo an opportunity to come back and be healthy obviously he wasn't shooting well to start the year either so maybe if he comes back and he does you well they can maintain a good offense so i don't that's that's really why i'm saying like i'm not going to be like this is 100% on him but now this does put the pressure on him to say this offense is working and so you do have to figure out a way to re to reintegrate yourself into this to where it can still be be functional and so you're seeing that anti black has been really good i i really like what

he's been he's been he's been the ball handling flashes he's shown sometimes sometimes he'll drive and i'm like this looks like park hoop the way he drivels like drums around guys is a little overmoved that don't michael does i'm like this guy has some flare to his ball handle that he's He doesn't always get to show because there's sometimes two big forwards that need to pound the rock a little bit. But when he gets the opportunity, it's obviously not super consistent. But the flashes are there that make him interesting. And it's not only with him. It's Tristan De Silva, too, who plays eerily similar to Franz Boggator.

He's a great role player. These are two hits that they got, that they drafted over the last few years that are there. And they have everything in peace to be one of the better teams that used to. Do you remember when we did that rookie tier list that year and he's like, I thought got drafted? I think about it. Oh, we put him like dead last or F or whatever. I was like, I don't think he's a half. mouth? I think he's like solid and you guys were like

who is the fuck about Anthony Black? And I'm like Anthony Black is fine. He's cool. Like I can put him C. You guys like put it in me. Who cares? Yeah. Every I promise you every time I watch the magic, I think about that moment. I don't feel bad at all. I still don't know why you guys are so fuck Anthony Black.

I don't feel bad about it at all. But he was F that year. Yeah, he wasn't great. And it's interesting now though because he's shooting the worst that he has from three. Like the three isn't really dropping like that. But he's getting like two stocks a game he's just too he's super impactful and he is still doing he's he's making a play here a play there sometimes he can drive to the basket he's had some pretty good scoring games

where he's had like 14 18 stuff like that so the magic are looking decent and they are looking better maybe they can go on a run but yeah that's the one thing where it's what's funny is you said like i don't feel bad about that because anthony black sucked the year i didn't even like anthony black i didn't even care like i wasn't even anthony black guy i was just like he's fine sometimes be too nice and one of us has to be the stick there's all right like he's all right like He's the young. He's all right. Yeah.

I find myself when it comes to the Apollo discourse, not necessarily in the middle, but more so I'm like at the point of where I'm defending him a little bit mentally because I'm like, okay, cool. Because I'm going through the like similar things in terms of, yeah, trades out. Our team is doing really good. Our team is decent at least.

We're a top 10 defense for the first time and fucking forever. Been like over damn near 10 years pretty much. Yeah, exactly 10 years. But I find myself like, okay. Like Apollo's out, trades out. Their teams are like playing better as the year goes on. New players added into the ecosystem. You should be doing what you should be doing regardless of the fact.

One player shouldn't be out and your whole team dies. That just tells me your team wasn't good enough in the first place. So it's like I'm just noticing that their net rating hasn't changed drastically at all too. Obviously you take like everyone gets more level a little bit. Everyone's able to get into the rhythm and shit like that. Specifically guys like Jaylon Suggs and Franz Wagner especially, which is nice. At the end of day, I'm looking at the coaching. before I look at Apollo and like really like

be like get him off my team what sucks you in this year I've recused myself in pilot conversations let the ships fall over than may I'll react when it's when the dust is settled bro I didn't realize sucks was going crazy like this who the sons he said sucks Joe sucks yeah he's like that

bro 82% had the rim he's like I didn't realize is that high Jesus 38% from from three again it's fucking 83 per what is this 58% percent from mid range.

Yeah, I didn't realize quite that high but he's been great. And that's all my surprises. And that's all my other surprises I had finished on this lightning round. I wrote down

Jerry and Jackson and John Moran complete disaster class. Oh yeah. Didn't see that coming. Yeah. That's probably the biggest surprise of the year.

Nobody talks about Jerry and Jackson and the fact that all those big star jumps made last year just gone. He's just mid. He's the best job in the world. Every day he's like, John, they're talking about you,

they're talking about you. Thank God. He's like, bro, dude. Go prove them wrong. He's like, Go live right now and go talk, talk, go talk back to him. You know that RDC meme where two people are getting jumped in the back? He's like, just breathing hard.

That is Jaron Jackson to a T this year, bro. He ain't been on nothing so far. 53% effective football percentage. Last year had his career year because he was like a volume score on league average efficiency and it was like, wow, we put it together. Yeah. Back to being mid, just being a guy that like has this reputation because of the defensive player of the year that's really coasting right now.

When he has the flashes, obviously, and has this unique skill set, that makes him valuable, but there's just so many times he's just mid, four-star standards, you know? Didn't expect that, didn't expect the complete, complete fall off of John Morant in this system

that he clearly needs to be traded, it feels like. He needs a new home where he can be motivated to be his best self again. All that's surprising. Another ones who talked about at length so we don't got to get into him,

Denny of Dia is scoring, the amount he's getting to the frito line, ridiculous, and Miami Heat's record and their new offensive changes. But we talk about all that. And with that being said, that's all of our surprises.

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Yo, why you just texting me that I'm a Knuckle what It's TikTok Time Let's go Welcome to TikTok time. As usual, today we're going to begin with the draft.

We're going to be running back a new staple of us. We're going to be doing an NBA sabotage draft. Have a hat full of names here. We're going to draw the one by one. You draw a player. You decide if you keep him or give him to somebody else in case it's a bad player you do not want. And this time, we are making lineups of point guard through center

with only seven footers. Perfect. I figured out how, I think I figured out the strategy in the sabotage draft. Okay. Watch a strategy. Not work. I think I figured it up All right, we'll see

I know what to do I just have to pick your players And I blindly yes The strategy is be the lucky one Be the one doesn't get picked on And Donovan you can go first So here's a hat with the 15 names I've been in the lab practicing

My pulling techniques You're pulling How you pull? How so? What should have been pulling, man So only center is making the lineups First player drawn Kevin Garnett Okay I told you I've been in the lab

I've been working I'm keeping Kevin Garnett Okay what position Put him at the at the power forward for right now Okay Okay Who is this here Rudy Gaubert

Rudy Gaubert I'll give me the four time defensive player of the year At my five Can't go nowhere else You want to keep Rudy Gaubert I'll keep him bro Not a bad pick at all

That's surprising I would have thought You would have wanted to get rid of him Nah not a bad pick at all bro He's so stable so consistent Can't do nothing but defend and get rebounds depending on the yield. Yeah, he might have the worst hands of all time. Now when we get Shaq. Then what is your GPOI is going to do?

I'm doubling up, right. First player, Victor Web and Yama. Welcome to my shooting guard, Victor Webbingyama. Fuck. Yeah. Welcome to shooting guard. That might be the best two that we have here. Now, Bill Walton.

Okay, so one of the best passers on the board. I don't know if you can handle like that, but we can probably play through him as a hub. I'll put Bill Walton at a point guard, get some passing talent. That's good. Interesting. Okay, okay, okay.

That's what I'm super worried about right now. I'm kind of nervous because we've all picked good players, so now it feels like some shitters have to come eventually. Okay, Tim Duncan. I'm keeping him traditionally. I might put him on my three. Okay, Tim Duncan. Donovan's due for a terrible player.

I'm scared. I'm scared. Ooh, Nuggets Di Andre Jordan. I take that. You give it to me? I say less. You better pray I don't get none bad. Where do you want to put him?

Put me on my four. Goddammit. Rudy and Jordan. Yeah, it is what it is. Oh, we got Lakers, D'Andre. You take that. Damn. So he doesn't want to gang up

for one person. He wants to evenly distribute the lack of talents. Okay. I will put, Aiden can be my power forward. Kareem Abduljabar. Kareem.

Put him on my two. Oh, your team makes no sense, but you do have Kareem. Put him in my two. Okay. Talent always figures it out. Not what he needs. No, they don't.

When they have this, I don't write, Aidan. They do not figure it out when they have DeAndre Jordan and Rudy Gobert next to him. Listen, I got Tim Duncan and I got Rudy Gobert. That's all I need. My defense is insane. Crews are going to be a hook shot in front three. Exactly. The most unstoppable move.

Bro, we used to be this kid in middle school. He used to, whenever we were playing at lunch or whatever, he used to hook shot from the three-point line. That's ridiculous. Cash. The cash? I got. Ben Wallace. I can't really afford to have been well.

I want to have good spacing. And so far I do. Uh, you know what? I'll take, ooh, you know what? Nope. Mo can have been well on that point guard. Mo can have been well on that point guard, actually. That shouldn't even count, bro.

You said, I take, you finish your sentence, bro. That shouldn't even count, bro. That's the definition of not a full sentence. Bro, that shouldn't even count. You started it already, but that I finished it. It shouldn't count. First you said I had to finish sentence, but I didn't. So you set the bar.

Technically, that is a sentence. I take is not a sentence There's no subject there I What am I taking I just take I take things Yeah I take that's not a specific sentence to this I take

I take My next player Chad Holmgren You know yeah spacing I'll take the spacing Give me Chad the three Fuck man My team is kind of bitch made right now

I need to get a good center But I got shooters Ben Wallace would have been perfect for you Go give this to Donovan actually somebody in the comments somebody said whoever gets out first should be able to keep picking and decide who they sabotage do you want to do that

yes give it to me let's do it then he can't keep so then it kind of takes away yeah exactly it doesn't matter about me keeping because I get to dictate your future fine good okay go ahead

all Mo all Mo can do is giving one of us now who are you gonna give him to going for Donovan first okay P that's not bad that's great actually oh yeah yeah I'll give you KP

damn it yeah put KP at At the two. All right, that's your draw. That's my draw. Yeah. Why would you go twice? Man.

Why would you go twice? Man. Just don't understand. I was going to nurse the game. Bill Russell. Congrats. We're keeping Bill Russell. We are putting Bill Russell at the center position.

Okay, Bill. What can he do to lose? You get to go again? Jogging. Oh, yeah. Well, he had KP and KG. Donovan has all these picks. Like, I'm fucked.

Dirk. Great. Fuck, man. Yeah. Yeah, put Dirk at the three. Fantastic spacing. Great. What a comeback.

Now back to Moe. My only hope is that you get a terrible point guard. Terrible point guard. Yao Ming. I would love to have Yao Ming. Yep. There you go. Congrats.

That is your point guard. Oh, that doesn't make sense. Actually, can I move people around? Can I put KJ? No, sorry. It's already sold in. Next player. There's two players left here.

What do you mean? I can't move people around. Sorry, man. That is your designated spot. I think for this game, someone says you have to, I feel like that's fair he has to give him to you as a point guard i don't know i mean i don't care what doesn't matter what doesn't matter i think it's a fucking modern NBA yeah it doesn't matter really it doesn't make a difference i have two players left i'll do what i always do him close my eyes are they both good

figure it out is one better than the other drop them i'm going to drop one but it's one better than the other it depends on the second i have the center left so is one is one option better than the other depending yeah it really depends depends on the day literally drop and left i got joll and b let's go i just want i have great spacing Yeah, I cooked Who was the other player? Andy Davis Oh yeah

You're gonna be straight regardless Yeah I mean it's better Depends on the day I was good either way Damn I have shooting From really four positions Aiden has a good middy

And the best passer on the board And Bill Walton Ooh I cooked I don't know man I don't know Moes Spade He's got in Space too He's brittle KP Durkin's always injured

And KG is nasty That's a nice That is great If I could If I could move KG to the point guard I would like the lineup a lot better. Yeah, I mean, he can handle the ball so wherever he wants. Yeah.

Do you have KP and Dirk in the corners? Do you have some pacing? Yawa's a mid-range jumper? KG. I don't think, okay. And I got D'Andre just giving pep talks. The D'Andre Aiden's, cool handshakes.

DeAnd Andrein's going to do just fine guarding Ben Wallace and Christos Worsingis. But he got ready to go bare an office. They're going to be over in the corner, just play a right-privacy. Yeah. Ben Wallace didn't give him motivational speeches about what to do on defense or something. That is not a threat. Oh, man.

And Aitin will not listen Okay I guess you've better talents I do a wimpy though You have a good fit Great fit Yeah this is the Dirk KG's nasty stuff man

KG is gonna snap chat in half It's nice to know that Moe just lost So it's a two horse race Yeah I got Ben Wallace I told you I just need to draft good players Tim Duncan

Deandre Jordan I'll figure it out Rudy Gobert Whomp Whomp Whomp So damn All right, so for audio, I have Yao at my point guard,

Porzingis at the two, Dirk at the three, KG at the four, Bill Russell, at my five. Okay, and I got Bill Walton, Wembe, Chet, Aiton, and Joellen Bede. Is there any universe in where my team can work? Nope. Next thing we were going to do, that was a weak-ass sneeze. It was just a sneeze, man. Somebody demonstrate a proper sneeze.

Achu! Got a sneeze like a man to scream? I don't know. That was even that stupid. Because you can cover yourself at all, bro. Dirty sneeze. Got to have a good medium. Next thing we're going to do, we are going to see some NBA teams and me and Donovan have to guess the team by the year each player was drafted.

Yes, exactly. Now, most of these are current, but there are some throwback ones from throwback teams. That's going to be hard. Good Lord. From the last five years, ten years, or last 20 years. Do you remember what year Chris Mullen was drafted? No. We're cooked.

It's over. It's over. never been more over. We're going to get demolished. All right. First team up. Okay, so we're getting a throwback team right away. 1990 point guard, 96 shooting guard. 96. That's Alan Iverson and Kobe. At the two, okay.

1999. Shaquille O'Neill, 85, 99. Is this a Lakers team? Correct, but what year? Dang, hey, fuck off. You got to guess. Okay, 1985 at the power forward. What, like, which Lakers team is this? Ninety-99. Is it 2001?

No, not 2000. Is this 04? 04 Lakers, yes. That is nasty man right there. Nasty man and Gary Payton. There we go. Okay, that was pretty easy for you guys. Pretty easy for you guys.

I love that. Systemically ran through this bitch. Yeah. All right. Next team up. Who is this team? You'd have to give us on draft. You could have for 2018.

You made it easier on us. Ooh. Thank you. I appreciate that. Undrafted Center in 2018. Okay. 2008 point guard, 2014, shooting guard.

2009 small forward and 22 power forward Old team Undrafted center But this has to be a In 2020 so this is a modern team Obviously the last few years What undrafted starting centers

In the league right now? Guess it's not a lot, bro I'm not sure but I see I see 08 You know You kind of know where that's from Like there's only so many old point guards in the league

Okay I can't remember who's the Oh wait Oh wait was Zubach the second round pick I was thinking the Clippers for a second but no Zubach was a second round pick he's not undrafted he was very much drafted

Yeah yeah no it's not that I actually don't know an old backcourt or one three combination 2009 I think DeMarta Rosen I think he was 09 Yes At the three but I don't think this is them Because actually no

Zach from the two is this the Kings This is the Sacramento Kings You're correct bro He's drafted as Drew Eubanks He's not the starting center He is so bonus is out You're a bitch Currently, he is the starting center.

Arguing with facts, bro. Arguing ESPN death chart, right? That's actually wrong. It's not wrong. It's correct. Like, like morally. That's not okay. Oh, but guess what?

Content. Don't give a fuck. You're bad and you should feel bad. Yeah, that's not good. But you guys got it, so good job. Okay. Good job. Who is this team?

2013. Who's in that draft? Center and a shooting guard that play together now. We're drafting the same year. 2013 is I believe the Wigginstron or is that the Anthony Bennett draft? Anthony Bennett. I think Wiggins is 14.

Yeah. So, once again, 2008. So who's in that Westbrook draft as well? Mike Conley. But that's obviously it's obviously on Anthony Edwards. I'm going to throw you guys alive. This is not a current team together right now.

Okay, thank God you said that. One from the past. One from the past. But you guys are doing good still with your guests. But still. Victor LaDipo is 2013 draft? Is, who did Victor, is it? Yes, but you see that four.

You see that. that's 2003 oh yeah that is 2003 that gives us something to work with that yeah is that uh it's either mellow Chris Bosch LeBron or again it could be somebody else I assume we pick one of the notable players I'm going to say is this

I see no no no no okay so so 2003 would be I think Westwick again and I think LeBron is this a team is this the Lakers this is not the lakers no obviously not ad is not 2013 damn it's 2012 okay 2003 2008 is westbrook's class what year is paul george 2013 2010 is it the thunder and that's mellow yes okay this is the Oklahoma city thunder you guys got it off break by fucking

he threw me the lob figure that out i forgot about paul george that was the key that brought it all together yeah yep yep you guys got it shout to andier robertson i did forget stephen i've been in the league for so long risk crazy still not that old Yeah. Okay. Who is this team? 2016 point guard. Young-ass team.

20-22. 3. So we got a small forward from 22. But everybody else is a veteran. So this is really, it's built around some young guys. 2014. So that's Levine's class. 2016 at point would be that.

Like Ben Simmons. That's Ben Simmons draft. Who else was the points in that class? who asked for the points was like Markell was Fox is 17 Fox Lanzo was 17 Yeah I can't remember the point guards in 16

Because they all came in 17 and 18 So I don't know who the other point cards were in 16 that is annoying me right now 22 small forward 2022 is such an in-between draft But it doesn't make sense But okay The front court

Yeah old It's old but it's and it's the same draft class Yeah so it's players that weren't drafted together. So many moved teams. So you probably have a star. So the small fort or the shooting guard small ford should be swapped. Okay.

So shooting guard is 22. Yes. And small four is 2019. So it's a young shooting guard. And a 2019 small forward. Is this a Carlinthie Towns team? No. Towns was 15.

Oh, he's 15. Okay. So 14. That was Andrew Wiggins draft, right? That was Wiggins. I forget number two. Jambari Parker's number two. Oh, wow.

Crazy. Wiggins. Parker and Bede. Oh, was in Bede? Yeah, and B's, he was third in that draft. Ubre. This is, is this the Sixers? No.

No, not the Sixers. Is Uber 14 or is he like 15 or 16? I have no idea, but this 16 is like, this told me off. I can't, I'm blanking on the 2016 draft class. You guys are on par. You guys are on par. It's not the 2016 draft class. Don't think about that at all.

Okay, so don't worry about the point of going to be. Good player. He might help you. but I think you guys are along the right lines. Okay, so we got to think about these old bigs from 2014. Mm-hmm. Oh, wait, this is the Denver Nuggets. Yes, it is.

Nicole Yokic and Aaron Gordon. That is what it is. Yep, Nicole Yolkich, Aaron, Christian Braun. For some reason, okay, I thought that, for some reason, I thought that Gordon was 2012. Oh, no, he's not that old. No, no, no, he's not that old. That's Anthony Davis, that's old. Yeah.

Yeah, Jamal Murray, 2016. The 2016 drag class escapes me from point guards. It gets really muddy when he comes to thinking about that. That's ingrum. was like ingram jalen brown uh k p no no kp's a little bit older i think d'n r fox was a part of that class he's 17 oh he was 17 because he's with tatum right yeah yeah and lanzo okay who is this team we got some olds 95 96 okay so obviously not current yeah clearly not current you're correct nobody in the league is drafted at 95 2003 at the center 96

Chris Kain was drafted in 2003 very true it's a fourth all-star of that draft pass good job it is not Chris Camer now could it be a

Chris Bosch no because 90 96 at the I think Alan Iverson I think I think

I got it you got it is this is this oh wait Boston Celtics and that and that is

Kendrick Perkins Ray Allen and all those yes you're cooking that is Kendrick Perkins Kevin Garner Allen

Paul Pearson Rhonda I forget there I would have sat here for 20 minutes I'm probably not I can if you would have gun to my head one year is

Paul Pierce drafted I'm dead brains across the floor I would have completely forgot blasted Kendrick Perkins completely forgot he was 03 Who is this team Brand new young as hell 2024 center green 2024 draft class

23 power forward is this the spurs No it's not the spurs I thought old but this is this is four picks in the last five years so clearly clearly they're working on something But 09 point guard. So who was a young team led by an old Wiley veteran at point guard right now?

With the young 2024 big, which is, no, that's research hay draft class. I was thinking that was Wemby for a second. Yeah. So this is Alex R. and C.J. McCollum and the Wizards?

No. Close though. Damn. So that's not C. C.J. You're very close. Actually, what year was CJ draft?

No, he was in that stinky draft in 2013. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, okay. Never mind. 2009? Well, there's only a few centers in that draft class. This is Drew Holiday and the Blazers.

Yes, you're correct. This is Drew Holiday and Blazers. I was like, clean, he's only a couple bigs. Yeah. All in between. You couldn't get a read at all, bro. That makes total sense. I have no idea of draft classes.

Once we get past the draft, I'm like, hey, man, you're here now. Congratulations. You're in the league. He's along for the ride. Who is this team? 2003 point guard. With a 2008 center, 2012, power forward. 2009 two guard

interesting okay 2012 power forward obviously your brain goes to Anthony Davis 2008 center oh this is the 2020 Lakers you can't get shit by me

buddy that point guard LeBron these are the champs bro I was thinking for some reason my brain saw 2008 and thought Dwight Howard but he's 2004

so I got a lucky guess yeah man anything with your king you know yep I knew it immediately sniff it out I smell KCP anywhere who is this team

oh my god I just saw 2018 point guard assumed is that right no son okay I didn't look at anything else no Luca nope 2018 then Trey on nope not the Hawks

okay I threw a blind guess that means this is oh this is clearly actually I don't know if it's clear is this the Knicks no this is not the Knicks I saw 2018 point guard and some older big thought that might have been Kat Brunson off top of my head

you got No, we just said Kat was 2015. Oh, you're right. I don't remember anything you say. Twenty-two point cards. Not Shea, because Chet is younger, obviously. Nobody there is 2013, 2014. But they had two guys, two guys drafted in 2020, so in the last five years.

So do you think this is another situation where, like, they were drafted together or where people have just moved teams already? Is that because this is the Timberwolves? Yes, you're correct. That is Julius Randall with Power 4. It's how I remembered. Yeah. It's rare to have two players from two draft classes, not traded for each other or traded to one each other's teams and still playing together.

Yeah, they trade for them on draft night. Yeah. From the Lakers pick. Yeah, man. You remember your Lakers' pain. I don't think they're going to take him anyways. Who is this team? Second round pick in 2025.

So a fresh second round pick right now that's starting with an old point guard? Yeah. A 2009 point guard? Mm-hmm. 2012 center 2011 power forward Warriors Yes this is the Warriors

Old ass team With a second round big starting Shout out to Will Richard You're in hell Starting a second round rookie With all these veterans You're in the torture chamber buddy He plays the right way

I've been waiting I've been waiting Just to say step current For 2009 point guard Please Yes Who is this team 17 power forward

14 center 23 point guard 25 small forward 18 shooting guard interesting so even disbursement got some vets 2014 center

weird team kind of all over the place is this the sixers no not the sixers okay oh obviously not that was a dumb guess we're thinking about some

2025 threes though starting right now sorry right now who are the wings in this class is that no it can't be that I was going to say John Morant but I'm not about good

I was going to say Jaron at the four in the Grizzlies. No, but he would have, if it was... But you know John Morant. It has to be one of the top guys, because if it was the second round pick, he showed, he would have let us know.

So 20, again, the wings in this draft were you have flag up top, VJ is playing the two, Fears is in the back court and warmer. This isn't the Mavs. No. So it's not Cooper Flagg at three. That's obviously not.

It's not Derek Queen. It's not these top guys. What are the fours when it's Why am I blanking on this fast draft right now? I'm freezing up. The lights are too bright. Wow, man. It's not, it's not.

This isn't con. No, no, it's not con. It's not the pistons. So it's not K'd at point guard. Is K-23? K was 21. Oh, I'm dumb as fuck. 23.

Oh, 23 is a wendy draft. He getting mixed up. So Wemby draft point guard. It's not, but it's not the Rockets because KD is old as hell. I don't think the Wemby draft is going to help. Okay. damn 25 small four from this past draft class

that's what that should be the strongest that's why I went to the grisies I thought Cedric Howard but it's not him um who's in this class oh man you guys are gonna kill yourself okay did we talk to him yeah yeah okay oh we talked to him yes and I can't remember I can't remember the fours we talked to you we're selling y'all this is their first unc moment officially unc moment yeah why is it an unk moment you're forgetting you're you're starting to forget, but your memory you start him. Dementia strikes. Okay, we talk to him. I got to.

Yeah, she said, I've never seen him sit up like that before. What forwards did we talk to? How are you forgetting, yo? I have a complete brain fart. This is not, this is not acceptable. Is this not flag? No. It's not. I give up. I guess we're on. So was this. This is the Utah jazz and that's Ace Bailey starting right now. I think about him as a power forward. Okay. Man.

Can I take George, Nerkich. marking it okay yeah we got cooked damn man that's crazy that's kind of a hard one though speed my high look fuck off he's playing on your team man I know speed my kind of like he was drafted by the team

yeah damn okay nercich fuck off not knowing nurk I do know because Yokic same draft class but damn yeah man I can't believe you guys wow I can perfectly believe us actually for missing the jazz who is this team

brand new time to bounce back 23 and 24 wing duo 24 center brand new is this the wizards no what that's not cichita mccorma point guard and saar and kishan george ha ha i'm lying i think this is the wizards there we go there you yeah is them bouncing yeah i'm like come on who is this team all right 1949 point guard two guard from 1952 19503 and 54 in between with the wings and 1950 1949 center is this South 16. Um, no.

I'm going to throw it out there. This is the Bob Pettit Hawks. Ooh. Damn, you know ball. Damn, you know ball. Actually, I actually thought he was going to be the center, but I got to ride either way. I said, 949. Bob Pettit.

Who, you know, ball. Damn. All right. All right. That's one of the more impressive things you've done. Now, if you ask me to name any player on that team besides Bob Pettit, gun to my head, name two players on 97 Hawks. Brains flattered.

Insane crime scene. who is this team come on easy one is it what whoa whoa LeBron James and the Lakers yes it is correct

nice and easy I tried to whistle and stop you guys I thought you were like blowing a pack or something I thought you were like that never smoked a day in my life I'm blown no damn packs

I thought that was a joke or like a Lakers pack or something Lying why you call my dad right now who is this team 1993 point guard 84 small Ford

998 big 1992 big oh is this a spurs team no not a spruce team damn it damn it damn it 1984 who wasn't a 98 draft

besides Paul Pierce which I learned today I don't I don't remember I'm trying to think of this like 92 draft is Shaq right Yes. 84 draft is

Jordan Yeah Joaquin Jordan Barkley I think Stockton was in that draft as well He was small forwards though What was the guy

They drafted Right before Is not San Buoy? Is this San Buoy In the Portland Showblazer No Damn Sam Bowie You guys are incredibly close

Though incredibly close We're close to San Buoy That's random as hell Yeah Is this not a Barkley team They're playing with a three Not a Barkley team Is this a Wizards Jordan team?

It is a Wizards Jordan team Oh, okay. Started right next to him was Rip Hamilton. I would never have gotten there. Yeah. That's crazy. Is that Christian later? You suck.

Yeah, it is Christian Leitner. Christian Leitner. And Jahad White. Who? Jihadi White. Oh. Just enter. I don't think I'm not familiar with Jahy White.

Yeah. My ball knowledge is being tested right now. Yeah. Okay. Wow, man. Who is this team? 17, 16, 11, 16,09. This is the Los Angeles Clippers.

Yes, it is. You're correct. he saw kawain no i saw 2009 point guard that's it that's all i know that's all i know everyone gets right i know all the point guards from 2009 hardin step ricky rubio johnny flynn that's it everything else is cardio blake was in that draft and that's the last one what a lovely way to end it with your niche knowledge of 2009 draft class but only the point guards next thing we're going to do i am going to show you four NBA players one at a time you have to tell me what they all have in common with each other.

Okay. So I'll show you one, you take a guess, probably get it wrong because you're not a mind reader. Two, take a guess and so on. Hopefully, basically have four guesses to get the category right. First off, Shaquille O'Neill. Have played for the Lakers. Okay. Sure.

Yeah, whatever. Shot in the dark. He took guys a guess. Incorrect. This is not about the Lakers. Okay. Player number two in this category, Michael Jordan. Okay, so there's champions, MVP's, finals, MVP's,

People who have three peted. People who have three peted. Incorrect. That's a good guess. Not that. Third player on this list, Calvin Murphy. Rockets legend. You have to carry me, man.

I could name you one thing about him. Do he ever... Do he ever win a scoring title? Are these people who have won a scoring title? Incorrect. I don't know if you want to score and tell you. I don't know either. I don't think so.

I don't think so. This fourth guy got to save me. Last one. Alan Iverson. AI, okay. What is AI in Shaq and MJ? Calvin Murphy have to be together. Poor names have never been said in the same sentence.

So random, bro. What are we talking about? Okay, this is, all right. So they have, I don't know. They all played for a Western Conference team. Incorrect. This is players that all have five or more children. All have.

Five plus kids. You learned about Shax kids the other day. You're like, oh, I got to get to work. You did your deep research, man. They all have five and more.

And how many of them were in the league? I thought you were supposed to be like ball noise or something. I don't know about MJ's kids. We're not watching those balls. Our bond knowledge is not like that. Next song. Bronny James. Okay.

Phase. Yeah, yeah. All four players here are phase. Yeah. You got it. You got it. You fucking genius.

Next player Nicole Iokic Second round picks Correct These are all second round picks Good job We had Daniel Gafferden Bull Bull bull coming up

Bull bull what the fuck happened man He's a card of disciple now He's gone They took him to the other side Okay listen you guys bounce back You guys got that one immediately Okay That was harder than the first one

But you guys managed to do better Next up Fred van Vleet Drake look alike No Have played for the Raptors Okay This is not Raptors players

Lonzo Ball Yeah Great passers I don't think anybody We call for them to delete that This is not great passers Fuck Next up

Tyrese Maxi Ooh Tyrese Maxi and Zoe What the fuck All right so Lonzo went to UCLA Maxi went to I actually went to Kentucky

Fred was undrafted Only one of them has a ring I'm thinking about teammates wise Who they did they play with anybody together no no I mean okay so maxi has are these guys that have scored no Lonzo Lonzo my bad my bad my bad my bad I was looking at you dead in the face

he's scored he's even looking at you dumb right now come on man I'm just thinking out loud maybe it's people who have been to well he wouldn't pick anything college I would say somebody who's been to the elite eight, but he's not. I also don't even know if Maxie's done that. What pick was Maxie in the drive? He was late. Like 21 or something. Yeah, he was like 21.

I don't. Okay, I can't. Guys who shot, I don't know, 37% for three point line. Incorrect. Last player, Josh Hart. The fuck. Quite the eclectic group. Josh Hart.

Wow. What does he have in common with Fred Van Gogh. Yo, I mean nothing Like these We can't even go light skin Because especially in this picture Maxi looks dark as hell There's one thing

They all have in common Though a guess out there Bro, they couldn't What the hell? I don't know You got to guess If you can tell the white flag And you got to a guess out there

All right The guess is that They They have all I see If Fred has done this, but I wouldn't be shocked if the other three did. Okay. But let's just say that they've all had, they've all made a rap song before.

You are so close. They've all done podcasts before. Okay. I was online. Fred Vembley just made a podcast this week. I forgot. Yeah, I remember. I could have, damn it.

That sounds like the stuff in the gas station is. Sounds like security. Sounds like a damn drone, bro. Yeah, they've all hosted a podcast One point or another I think actively they all do I don't know if Tyrese is still doing Maxie on the mic

But they've all hosted podcasts Okay, okay See Tyrese maxi threw me off for that one He doesn't talk about it very much Because I think it's only audio They don't do video Next up Jalen Brunson

People who have won a national championship Incorrect Austin Reeves People who have played with Luca Dodgers Correct These are Luca Donci's teammates Okay okay Okay there we go

You're going back fourth you get one you don't get one you carry me man if we can get two in a row we'll be good next up con canipple white NBA players you're not white damn

Kyle Kuzma hmm what does Kyle Kuzman Khan having Kahn having Kahn I don't know playing the east not playing in the east come on man

this is Kyle Corver win that same nasty bucks jersey Kyle Corver thought you for a loop now Kyle Corver The white thing almost went through, but Kakuza messes that one up. Just a little bit. Significantly.

It's halfway. Where, Khan, what is? Do they all come from the same sit? No. He's not from Milwaukee. Kuz is not from Milwaukee. People who have, like, averaged 18 as a rookie or something? No, hell no.

Not that. That would be, I don't know. I doubt Kalkover did that. No. But I would have saw the vision for the first two. Last one, Costa Kufus. Costa Kufus. Costa Kufus.

Okay. I will say this is extremely obvious. The fact you guys haven't gotten this one, I thought this was a layup. I think you guys might be illiterate. Oh, all Ks, what the fuck?

Double alliteration K names. What the hell, man? That's hilarious. Coast of Kuf is Kyle. Cawn and Koov. You guys are familiar with the KK. Yeah.

Anytime I see too many Ks, I just start away, I'm like, this is not my avenue. You're trying to brain, the Nazi Ks. Between that and the banana. It's a lot.

It's scarred, right. next up Tim Hardaway Jr. He's a junior Incorrect Damn Chris Loss Porzingis New Yorkers

Played in New York Incorrect Who the What is that? I actually don't know Andre with the wrong person I don't know who that is This is a random dude

Made in a pair Hey who is that Oh no Yo He's wearing a fake New York District Who the fuck is that guy? That team is

Not that jersey is not team. Yo, he'd just be hooping in New York, bro. Who is this guy? Yo, who is on my screen right now? Yeah, I actually don't know who there is. What? Like the game. Who is this, though?

Seriously, guys, have you seen this fan? Who is this supposed to be? Obviously, he's played some form of basketball. I need to be informed. Who is this? Player three, Patrick Ewing. Okay. Patrick Ewing.

What the fuck is this? I stopped this to you. Patrick Ewing. Is there like a Patrick Ewing Jr? Who is that? Obviously Google Image has got it fucked up. He kind of looks like Patrick Ewing a little bit. This might be his son.

It would be so funny for this son. It actually might be his son. Yeah. Look at us. Yeah, I don't know where he's son looks like that. On our Pablo Torre right now. Who is this guy? Why is you wearing a New York jersey?

And also that is Patrick Ewing Jr. Yeah. That was like a G-Leaks. Yeah. There we go. Okay. So I see how that mistake was made. Okay.

Obviously. Okay. Okay. The fact that you Google Patrick Ewing and this picture popped up for is hilarious. You're like, yeah, he kind of looks like him. Okay. Layla, just like your daddy, man. That's crazy.

So number three is Patrick Ewing Senior. Okay. So, all right, so we have. I said Knicks already, and he said that wasn't it. Yeah, you said played in New York. Okay. Did Patrick Ewing get traded? I will say, you got it wrong, but you got it right.

So you're not on the, you're not, you weren't completely off, but you you weren't right. Okay. All right, so maybe it's something like moving, moving away from the Knicks. Like people who have had max deals on the Knicks. Yeah, but my only guess is like they got traded away from the Knicks. This is not players got traded away from the Knicks.

I don't think Patrick Gung ever got traded. Next player, RJ Barrett. Huh. R.J. Barrett. First round draft picks by the Knicks? I'll give you that. It is drafted by the Knicks. Doesn't got to be first round?

but players drafted by the Knicks. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, you got that. We survive. Next one, DeMar de Rosen. From Los Angeles. Wow, yes, L.A.

Natives. There we go. That's crazy. We got Jamar, Kauai, Westbrook and Love. That's all you talk about, man. Out the rip. One bunch, man. Got in there immediately.

Next up. That's really his, like, his brand at this point. He's just the most L.A. L.A. Yeah. Shea, Gilda, Alexander. Canadian. Not Canadian.

Rob Dillian. him Kentucky guards not Kentucky guards Jerry McCain Okay Okay now Now we have to think Now I got to actually try Damn

I don't like to think Okay Shay Robb Were they picked at the same spot In draft night? No that was a bad guess Because the two of them were in the same draft Next up Donovan Mitchell

Ooh Okay Were these I will say you should you should definitely know this me you should specifically I don't know who I'm talking to I won't clarify who I'm speaking to but you should know this there might be a subject matter expertise in this room right now oh um is this guys that the Knicks passed up on no this is everybody who has a skim sponsorship I didn't know Robin when they were in college they got an NIL deal to do skims they were wearing skim sweats

in a video but they're college kids so they didn't live they didn't do underwear like Shane. DeMitch did. They wear sweatsuits. Ah, yeah, I would have never got this. You're supposed to be the skims expert. See, this is why I'm not that, bro. I never claim that. No, that's why you fell off. The issue is, had you put Shea and then DeMitch, I think you probably. Yeah, probably.

That's why I do that. Maybe. Damn. You fell off. I fear I was never on. Get back in the lab, man. Next up, Karim Abdul-Jabbar. Scoring leaders. Incorrect. Bob Coosie. finals MVP's

incorrect Scotty Pippin people who have six championships yep this is exactly six rings there's only like six players I have exactly that this is four of them okay Michael Drum was next it's four of them Rob or he has

seven yeah so it's not more than six it's exactly six okay exactly six smaller group next up Ched Hongren people who are broken a bone Incorrect James White Wiseman.

Number two picks. Yes, this is number two overall picks. Got your Barri Parker and Kevin Durant. Damn, Bari. Wow. Fuck, man. Wow. Did it to himself?

Remember when he was like, he? He's just long hair. No, no, no. That's the way he's not in the league no more. Remember when he was doing a pressure for the Bulls? And he was like, yeah, bro, I don't get played to play defense. I don't get paid to play defense. That's not my thing.

Oh, yeah. That's crazy. It's like, all right, buddy. So the other half of the game. Okay. Okay, that's that. You guys did pretty solid. You got about half of them, right?

I'm part of us. I want to go that far. I'm adequately pleased with you. I am proud of us, bro. Next thing we're going to do. Today, we are going to put 2025 NBA small forwards into a tier list. This is week three of our position by position tier list for early season reactions. We did shooting guards last week, point guards week before that.

Today we're doing the three's league. When we get to threes and four is a little complicated because the lines are blurred. So these are guys that I think are spiritually small forwards Most of the time they're lined up there But sometimes there's some wiggle room Okay Let's start with JDA Jalen Williams

I think he's probably a tier Based off what we saw last year All NBA Defender Can do it all, bro I don't do that I think he's eight too I can't see Look at this screen

You're not supposed to know he comes up next I think he's eight tier All NBA defender He played center last year He played center last year Obviously a great three level score 40 points in the finals, he's 8 tier. I'm going to say, is there a conference for S-tier?

This might be the best small four in the league by the end of the season. There might, yes. Maybe. Yes. I didn't even think about it like that. There was an argument in the summer where if you are projecting, you could have said by the end of next year, J-Div's going to be the best. All the other top small forwards are either hurt or they're old.

That's true. I think it's J-Dove is S-tier. Maybe he's not number one. Maybe there's a debate, but I think he'll be in that conversation for sure. Okay, yeah, that's fair. because he's the top 20 player at the worst I think I forget how old the small forwards are man damn Cooper you gotta say

it is so Kevin Durant I think this year Kevin Durant's handle has really fallen off I was really can't playmate can't move as well I think Jada was better than Kevin Durant I get that but they're in the same combo I'm sure that's why that that's why he he might not be Kevin Durant

to Kevin Durant standards 80% of Kevin Durant is better than 90% of the league he still has to you so same thing the kind of precedent we've said we're trying to get more stingy with S-tier. Is there a world if you're redrafing the league today for just this season where you'd rather have Kevin Durant than J-Dub? Yeah, I think there is.

So there's some, there's some roster instructions you would pick Kevin Durant first? Yes, I think there are some. Okay. I don't know about that one. J-D-D-U is everywhere, but if you think it's a conversation, Kevin Durant is still S-tier. Yeah.

Paul George. D-tier. Just came back. I do kind of buy that doing some projection in like assuming this smart veteran player will age with some great. and accept the new role. I do kind of think he can still be a pretty good role player

and be like the C-tier caliber. I think we need to project a little bit because that's what fucked us over with our last tier list. So I agree with you. Maybe you can put him in the like C-tier. Yeah, like he fell off last year offensively.

He had a terrible shooting season for his standards. Tyrese maxi took a level up. I think he kind of understands this place today he's probably going to try less difficult shots now. He can still defend, still has size, still smart. I kind of think C-tier is probably fair. If we're talking about right now, based on what we saw with these,

I don't know, three games or whatever, he's like D, damn near F. But I think he'll be better He'll be able to shoot You could also say that he's old Not gonna just no reason to say he'll get better Like you want to go D it's not crazy Yeah

Shout out to him Got that bag The moment he signed that That contract with Philly Washed 3 for 10 the last game Game before that was 7 for 12 First game was 2 for 9

Yeah put that in D That is D tier I think he'll be better He's playing like D tier He's like 35 Yeah he's playing like D tier But I feel like he might normalize

A C just because I don't overreact but he also might not he might just be terrible at scoring now he wasn't good last year and then he wasn't good last year has already missed time because because he was hurt like no I think DT is very fair for it is super fair it's super fair I'm just saying there might be a reason to be slightly optimistic because we know he can play off ball so well and like I can just imagine him having this like late career oh okay he's still a good fourth man on a roster I get that I don't think based on the last 12 to 14 months that he deserves the benefit of the doubt right now yeah you're

that is true there's nothing I can say about last year that will make him put him put him in see it's all just hope and ideas yep exactly so d tier is fine we don't got to be too nice sure brandon ingram having a very good year fitting well with the with the raptors came in help change their lives dude last night he put up like 37 points on 30 shots right and it didn't feel like he was hijacking the offense all within the flow you keep doing unloads the clip you keep doing that you know a clip needs to be unloaded with that team they need all the scoring they can get they need the ball handling there's flanked by defenders and like so-so on ball creators, they need him to do that and he's

answering the call. I was just made aware that his nickname was Notorious B-I-3. Fantastic nickname. I've never heard that. Tough. Notorious B-I-3? Yo, these new nicknames, you gotta do another video on that, man. Does he deserve B-tier or T-C-Tor? I think B-Tier. I think he's shown that

honestly, wherever he's at, his skill set of, hey, I'm gonna show up, I'm gonna be a bucket is really good. And the fact that he plays alongside Scotty Barnes so well and that they do compliment each other, he's scalable you can move him around on different teams i think beatier is very yeah teams like the turnar raptors need him a lot of teams have massive weights in terms of having uh someone who can score on all three levels is uh i think it's easily been one of the more valuable assets and also

archetypes in the league especially someone like him who doesn't necessarily hog the ball as much so yeah beat there jadie mcdaniels the leap is here isn't it i don't know i think he's beat here right along in your yeah he's a great defender that can do some stuff with the ball in his hands has flashes every season where he puts it together

as a score but overall probably should be your third best score at best fantastic team defender beat tier's cool for 20 games a year though that's 8th year

that's fucking Kevin Durant Franz Wagner 8 year yeah yeah right now he obviously still has to get to another level with the with the shot

with consistency with it but guess what he is shooting 35% from the line this year I need better I need full consistency. The shot has been broken for two years. I need half a season of that before I start to think that it's like legit.

But he is, when that shot is on, clearly one of the best small forwards in the league. He's a great pastor. He's a good defender. He's a great score. Like, he is a tier. Yeah. And we're recording this on Tuesday, November 25th, recording a few days ahead of time because of Thanksgiving. Right now, he's the main offensive creator right now with Palo out and the offense looks great.

So I'm more than, I feel more than good projecting that if he had a full-time on-ball a role that he'd be producing at a level that I guess easily like acceptance of being an eight year small forward if he had his own team for real for a we we give and if the shot stays consistent I mean that's Denny relax well I'm saying in terms of like production and numbers and stuff like that that's what that is that that's something that's that's the that's that's average 28 ah okay okay I see yeah right now he's averaging without palo bank hero solid 25 with this level of offense I'm not going to say that's that he's still he's still better than Denny like even with this minimized thing but I see if you're

saying turns the scoring output yeah he had the ball in his hands as much as denny like he's averaged yeah 29 exactly that's my point yeah but like he's so much better at other stuff that i'm like i'd be aiming higher than denny i got me than that in that comparison you think 30 no he's no i'm saying he's better at the other stuff than denny's oh i'll just throughout the name of somebody who's averaging yeah a man thompson haven't gotten the full feel like we're still getting just just the taste yeah still haven't gotten the full load Offensively hasn't taken a huge jump. Still amazing defenders.

Still an amazing athlete. Helps your transition offense a ton. Helps the rebounding. One of the best defenders on the planet is B tier. Yeah. I don't think he can be a tier just yet. That's what we're probably expecting of him this year. But nonetheless, can't be mad at it at all.

You're still giving your top line defense. Still a great slasher, cutter, a rebounder, the whole nine. Red at everything but shooting. So it's a great, bro. B tier. You know what? Asar Thompson, B tier. They're just as good as each other.

A man's a little bit better at offense. Asar might be a little bit better at defense. they are the twins we went ahead we found blood clots we beat blood clots up and now we get and now we we get a sart thompson in the block blood clots are done exactly now we get assar thompson in his in the proper conversations that he's supposed to be in with as great of a role player as he is b tier makes sense yeah michael porter junior this year putting up a million points for game on a bad net's team if there was ever ever a poster board for empty stats it'll be well he's really efficient so he's good like

he's playing great basketball man you know good and tangu if he went anywhere else these numbers would not be like this of course not but I don't think empty stats means it's like not yeah you don't yeah you don't see Larger marketing and put him like 28 29

calling him empty stats he's just a good player not empty stats this is fake stats this is not real this is not who he is the volume somebody has to score but we saw Obviously, he won a championship scale down. So, like, it's not empty, per se.

But he's a guy that can scale up when you did, can be scaled down when needed. But obviously, in the scale up, you're not really getting anywhere with him being your money main guys. I think what you're describing. C tier. Is he C tier? Clearly. Is Asaar better than him? Would you pick, if you're starting to be around that?

Would you pick? It depends on my team construction. I'm picking a SAR pretty easily. It depends on my team construction. But I think it's a conversation. Sure. If you're desperately need for spacing, sure. but I think things in a vacuum.

You're not doing that. More valuable. I don't know. We might be. That's a conversation, sure. Him, Massar, and Jane and Dan, yeah. It's a conversation to have. I think it's a conversation.

He's having 24 this year, bro, 8 and 3. Good for him. Somebody's got to do it. There's no Camp Thomas. There's buckets to go around. He's very efficient. He's having a great year, so not to take it away, but like not a playmaker at all.

Average defender. Like, I don't. Yeah, not a playmaker, average defender plus rebounder, flame throw overscored. That's value. It is. That's why I see.

He's not, I mean, he's the only one there, so it looks like it's bad. It's not bad. There's like, next thing, Cooper Flag, C tier. Yes. Great company to be in. I think these are two very good, but obviously Cooper Flag being young and not ready to be full-fledged star and Michael Port Jr. being flawed. Those are still good players you want your team.

Yeah. Sure. I think MPJ should be higher. Here's a thing about this way. Asar Thompson is better at defense and MPJ is at offense. I don't know if that. That's easily true. Assar Thompson is going to be first team all defense right now.

Yeah, the pisses defense at the top of the league. He's the best defender there. He is one of the best premier defenders in the league. Yeah, I guess, but there's more to that conversation simply than like he's better offense than he's better a defense. There's a lot of in between stuff where I'm just like, MPJ is like, yo, like alongside any star in the league, you would be immensely valuable. And you can say the same thing about a saw on the defensive end too.

Obviously, it's very fair. But I think I would give more kudos to not say he's better. I'm just saying they're on the same level. So you want to put MPJB tier? I will put MFJB tier personally. I mean, he's clearly better than Cooper Flagg. That's kind of disrespectful to put him on the same tier. No, it's not.

Cooper Flagg is already a better defender than MPJ. And Cooper Flagg, after that first two weeks when he's playing point guard and that dumb-ass offense, he's gone back to the past couple weeks. He's getting it together. And it's probably going to average a cool 18 points per game on obviously not as good efficiency as MPJ, but he's a better playmaker. Miles better defender. He's a better playmaker and defender, yeah, but he's not that right now, though.

Yes, he is. No, in terms of efficiency and scoring. Well, obviously, he's played 15 games in his career. So, but I think I think if you Okay, if MPJ and C tier So, okay, so I don't, I don't think

It's just, I don't think it's super disrespectful Because I do think that when you take When you take like the defense and the playmaking from Cooper Flagg And you take the intangibles of not having a crazy podcast I would have, I would have them that's not his fault That's not his fault Wait, it's 100% is his fault Put a muscle on him, brad, what do you mean?

There's ways around that. I'm sure this player is just as crazy as a mouth of breath That's Insane. I'm not against MPJ and B tier. I think you should be B tier, bro. Like, he's, in my mind, he's the best score out of everyone. Outside, I guess, I got outside I guess B.I.

But it's different levels of score and considering how MPJ can do it on ball and off ball, specifically off ball. Best shooter there. On ball, you're really overreacting to this 15 game stretch. On ball, come on. But it doesn't score like a more so on ball. I'm saying, especially off ball. So focus on that part. Okay.

Also, off ball. Yeah. It is. I would like to see him off ball with somebody not named Nikoliyokic He's doing that now He's doing that right now He is on ball

He's a great He's a great he's a great No I'm saying off like off ball Like giving him like that No he's still playing off ball That level that level I don't I don't think that this is like real

From from MPC Like I understand it's good But it's not like real I think we put it like this I think if you ask a lot of contending teams Or good teams for a singular season right now Who would you rather have on your team they're taking MPJ

100% of the time over Cooper Flag currently. There's not a single contending team right now who would rather have someone like Cooper Flag I disagree. That is ridiculous. That is ridiculous.

No, that is ridiculous. Not a single team? I do. Okay, let's talk about the contending team the Lakers. Yes. Give me Cooper Flack. And the Lakers,

that would be a gods into their defense. The Knicks would much rather have Cooper flag the MPJ right now. If I can have the athletic defender before, the NICS would. The Lakers in a million

instantly didn't Cooper flag. I think I don't know. I think that's a conversation because I think they would want to start MPJ alongside but ending in again

no for their defense we need that defense bad. The Lakers are the one team that would not even think about if we could a Cooper flag. I don't know,

man. I don't care for him to M. B tier, it's fine. B tier for me but this is a lot of time. Yes, it's a lot of time

for Mp. Like you clearly being a C plus players like you guys are bastards for making me talk about him to this degree man. I'm saying he's B tier, bro.

De Mard de Rosen. F tier. That's probably just D. I mean, he's like a bucket He's not valuable He's kind of like Paul George Is he worse than Paul George?

I see for a split second I looked at it And I was like Should they both be enough? Because if we're doing that You're right Someone has to be an F If somebody has to be an F

And if we are doing The redraft of the league Out of all these players He's probably getting drafted The Lowe's sorry Yeah there's no scenario And there's zero scenarios In which I want to build around

Demartorism Yeah he's put him in F I guess God I feel so mean Kauai Leonard How do you even have this conversation What are there even to talk about Like how do you value Kauai Leonard these days Do we stohy and B and keep it pushing?

It's more of a hassle than anything Put him in F It's a headache It's the same Yeah I think we just don't in B and we don't talk about it Yeah We just pay respect it when he's on the court

It is what it is. Put him in C I think we still him here and don't talk about it whatsoever Cam Johnson Right now it's playing like he's C Right now it's just playing like you might be D. Yeah, he's not shooting well, but he's clearly C. We've seen so many years he's, there's no world in which he's B or higher,

and there's no world in which he's D or lower. I think that is the most definition of C, very good role player. That, like, obviously he started off really cold in the Denver Nuggets situation, but we had enough years to know he's going to shoot well eventually, you would hope. And he obviously doesn't mean better than what he was, yeah. Yeah. So right now, the MPJ returns are better than the Kim Johnson returns in this trade. I still feel like it's going to even out pretty well and bolted.

teams probably got what they wanted from that trade. I think he's just definition of C. Yeah. Okay. Denny. Ooh, man. He should be a tier, but for right now, I think I feel super tough. He's top of B.

Yeah. He could be top of B for sure this year. Is there any, I mean, it's kind of, I mean, he's averaging the 26. Like, it's kind of playing the age here right now. He is, but I feel like me personally I want to see a little longer. The defense has fallen off with the offensive workload, which is obviously not great. kind of comes to territory. Low Jalen Johnson syndrome.

It's a lot of turnovers. A lot of turnovers. Yeah, let's put that on Jalen Johnson's shoulder. Yeah, it's happening right now. What is Jalen Johnson syndrome being bad at half court? Not trying defensively anymore because you have to deal with so much offense is what I said. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Truly McHale-Burge's syndrome.

It's every wing syndrome that has every wing syndrome that. That's a ball handle, but right out, Jaylon Johnson. We're going to top of B. Okay. I feel like A could be a conversation, but that's fine. Maybe. If we didn't spend 10 minutes on MPJ, I might want to discuss a little bit more. Don't care right now.

Right now he's performing at A level. Like him and Franz Wagner, for the beginning of this season. Put him in A, why not? He deserves it. Yeah, he's 26. If he falls off, he falls off. Gends a lot like 10 times a game. There's four more points than Dylan Brooks.

That's still crazy. A lot of people can't do that. I should have put Dylan Brooks on here. Jaylon Brown. Jaylon Brown is D-2. Clearly 8-tier. Not even a conversation. Yeah, we can end it.

Zachary Risha-She-J. He's not playing well this year. He's not D-tier. He's not playing well this year at all. The only reason it's not F-tier is because I would at least like draft him because he can shoot and he's big. Yeah. So I'd rather have him than DeMarr. I think his peak, he'll probably be C-tier and it might remain for the rest of his career. They drafted Harrison Bards.

Who I was supposed to take, bro? Who was that supposed to take? Alex Arr? Clinging. He didn't want to be here. Modest. Honestly, right now. Hey,

give me Harris and Mards, man. Mr. 100%? Yeah, I'm taking it. Reed Shepard. They said Reed Shepard is a Patrick Mahomes level prospect.

They didn't pick them. Yeah, the Hawks did say that. That's ridiculous. Did you see the headline? They did. They viewed Reed as a Patrick Mahomes level prospect, meaning that he's like a transformational

will, like, change the position and like is a dominant in the rough prospect. That was an insane read also, too, by them. But, yeah, and they didn't pick them. Riches A's been in and out, the lineup consistently, man. He has a curfew by 10 p.m. Listen, man, our coach kind of hates him too at that point as well.

He don't play fourth quarters. It's fine, bro. It's fine. That's crazy. LeBron James. Up in the air. Existential. Outside of the cheer list. As of recording this on Tuesday, November 25th, he's played two games.

And they'll see two games he looked good. He looked fine. He didn't look like LeBron James, but he's obviously coming back from seven months of no basketball so the expectations are aligned properly. I guess we throw him A and say TBD he might drop because he's old and maybe he doesn't recover but we know that like last year he'd

still be S tier. Yeah, I mean there's no world where LeBron is worst in if he maintains his current level of play he's like B tier in my mind. But he will get better. Yeah, he won't maintain this current. It might be bad for his standards but it won't look like this. And I think so we should put him in A. I agree. Yeah, yeah.

The offball defense might be worse than ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. he might be bad and falling off but it won't with the same. OG and OV Listen, OG was playing really, really well before he got hurt. B tier.

Yeah, B tier. He's like, J. McDaniels. Like it's a pretty apt comparison for the tier player. He's better than Jayne. Sure, he's probably better, but that's a tier.

Anything else you know? I'm going to see what the fuck is cats crying. You guys talk about what you want to change. He's much better than Jada. I just want to put that out there right now. Should I go ahead and change MPJ to B?

Yeah, go ahead and do it. What do you want? Yeah, go ahead. He just tried to put OG and S to your fucking bastards. Had to fix that real quick, Brad, fucking up our list. So do you want to put MPJMB? No, I actually don't care. I don't care either.

If you really put MPJMB. I think he's a B-tier player. He's clearly the best in C. And here he might be the worse of B. You are blaming unbelievably hard. Or you're underrating how good Cooper flags look at the past. No, no, I'm not. This is not a slight to Cooper Flag at all.

It is, though. You were now a Cooper Flag hater. And I hope every Dallas Maverick fan to see this. So do you think he, so is, you're saying MPJ is worse than Cooper Flag right now. Well, I put them in the same tier, didn't I? You did, but. Both things can beat you. You can put them in the same tier.

But do you think he's worse, though. Who's better? If you're doing a rank in. Who's better? You'd rank in B.J. higher. He's the best in C tier. Put him in B2.

Well, if you do a ranking, unless it's ranking on top 100 players, I'm not ranking either of them right now. So, like, that's not, I don't care who's ranked 52 or 55, but if I'm talking about if I'm a good team and I want to win right now, there's a good chance for my team construction. I'd rather have Cooper Flag. Lakers easily rather have Cooper Flag. He's not shooting well right now, the three-point shooting for the season. He's getting better at the mid-range game and the attack him closeouts. He's already a good defender. I feel pretty good that over the next three months, if we're going to use that small sample size, that Cooper Flag will be better.

If you have the Spurs, you take Cooper Flag over MPJ? No, I think you take MPJ. I think if you're the Thunder, you take MPJ. because of more shooting. If you're the rockets, you take MPJ because of the rebounding. You want to double up on all those opportunities. Yes, naturally for the nuggets. You'd rather have MPJ over Cam Johnson.

Who else? If you're the pistons, fuck, yes, you'd rather have MPJ. Timberwolves. If you're Timberwolves. You take Cooper. That might take. You take Cooper. That might be a little dicey because they're into a way to ball handing.

Warriors, you take MPJ. You could have a conversation about Cooper Fagg. We're just going down the list now, sons. you might take Cooper Flag because you need more creation but in general I think for teams that need more just size and shooting and all that

someone who's guaranteed you're gonna give me a cool like 15 a game on efficient shooting Hawks from the Hawks maybe I'd rather have Cooper Flagg that's only because

we need ball hell no that's only because we need ball handling that's it that's enough MPGA conversations I can't believe we spend so much time over correcting on the MPGA slander

doing so much bedding over backwards and pay respects to his good start MPJ I can't even say positivity maxing he's bending over for Nets fans Can you can't do it can't do it

You want so bad He's the Nets fans on his side You think I think I care about Nets fans Hell yeah I think about I care about basketball Discourse

You do You do Next thing we're going to do Y'all don't get that It's okay Let's talk about Let's talk about Theoretical

Anthony Davis trades If you're 40 years old Black you get that Wait so explain it It's this old movie with Janet Jackson and she's like, she's in this scene. Isn't that funny? So like the scene is very dramatic, but like it's being clipped out. And so you just see Janet Jackson like telling, telling this dude who like she found out was gay and he's like telling her.

And she's like, and she's like, she found out that he was a man. And she's like, how do you do this? And then a man Bend you open And he's like Anybody better be open And so the Jenny Jackson comes back

And she's like Oh So you're doing the bend it? Like I'm a very Out of context It's a very funny

Oh my God Oh my God I missed the context I wish I would like oh my god we're going to talk about theoretical anthony davis trades now i'm going to name you six mb a team's you tell me if you want to see them trade for anthony davis okay okay so context aside whatever the deal would look like i guess that factors in somewhat but like do you want to see them pursue this if he becomes available let's do it team number one Detroit Pistons no hell no you are

15 and two they're so up right now bro they could lose the every single game for the rest of the season and they still won't be as bad as they were back in 2023. You don't want to touch anything with this roster right now. I think that if you trade for AD, you want to have, you want to be gaining in a major, major advantage on defense from your big position. Obviously, Anthony Davis is Anthony Davis. When you have beef stew back there, hooping the way that he is, when you have Jalen Duren whooping the way that he is, like you said, I'm not messing with anything right now.

Yeah, no, clearly. Jayland Duren's a big leap, they have no need for Anthony Davis anymore. Chicago Bulls What are we doing? Why not? Maybe. Why not? They're so committed to be mid

and never rebuilding. This is like the most perfect incremental way to get a star that's cheap for some good reasons but is a star makes you a better version of the mid team you want to be? Better mid, okay.

Andy Davis does align with their values because the Bulls love keeping themselves a player who is from Chicago. True. You are right. They have to keep that going. You're right.

So why not, I guess. They do love that. Okay, check for... It'd be fun. Yeah, check for the Bulls. 76ers what if it's like offload in the paul george contract paul george and jerry mccain for ad now you just have two seven put this with bad knees your whole training room is it's over i can't do it though from the sixers you're just reshuffling your broken parts but now you

lose jerry mcane but yeah i think okay if you're going to if you're going to move off of mackain i would want a better a better return but if it did involve getting off of the pg contract then yes i would do it. Okay. Like, if that was kind of the main thing, if that was the main thing, I would do it. I'd rather just, I'd rather just keep, keep Paul George. Miami Heats. Do you want to see them pair AD and Bam, get this dynamic duo of Biggs?

They got Kellelware and he's been hooping as of late, but he's so inconsistent when it comes to energies. I'm like, I don't know. He's a rebounding like crazy. I don't know if he's a rebound like crazy two weeks from now. I'm not going to lie that you say they have killer where very solid player does that move me. Yeah, I'll do it. If the price is right

That's one that like If they're really getting off On a good deal Then I'm like You can't deny the value Sure But it doesn't excite me Yeah not yet

Not yet Just said bro I'd rather have clover Even though sometimes He plays like Basketball gives them the ick I'd rather have clover It's like

New York Knicks Offloading cat To bring an AD Get a better defender Hell yes I've been saying This is day one They're gonna lose

All right Bro why not go ahead And bolster your defense What did we win Win what The East. You're not winning nothing. You may win, like, the best basketball team in New York.

You might win the best basketball team. First of all, that's all right. Might win the best basketball team in the Eastern Conference at the end of the year. Best, best, best, basketball team in New York. Roll the ball out. Let's see. Not what I meant. But, yeah, I'm doing this immediately, right?

They should have done this yesterday. I can't decide. We always talk about this on the streams. Why? I can't decide. if they should do this or not. In some way, I really don't think you're going to win.

I think it's really hard to win with Kat as your centerpiece of your defense, especially when he's scoring so poorly like to start this season. But the AD thing is so much built-in downside. I think the Knicks fans would be sick if they had to deal with that much looming injury, despair. I've threatened so many times to burn down Madison Square Garden

if we'd like make a dumb decision. Arson? If we, if we, if we trade for, if we trade for AD and he gets hurt and he, like, missed a significant time in the playoffs, I'll actually do it. It won't be a threat. Timberwolves.

All right, Mom, Donnie. There's your suspect right there. Timberwolves. Offloading Rudy Gobert or something like that to replenish your talent. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.

Can't do it, bro. Can't do it. The defense has been climbing up slowly, even though they're, like, mid-off, I can't have fight demons, bro. Holy shit. This guy's having the worst time in the world. Yeah, I know. We're just insane whining.

But, yeah, I'm not doing that. hell no I think I might I think I might again I watched the wolves game the other days utterly disappointed

I can't watch him play offense and not be like I wonder what it would be like if we had somebody who could catch a pass yeah so like it kind of

kind of does feel like maybe maybe they can do it because the wolves are also on this the wolves are also on this like track where you do feel like they have to make a movie

yeah I don't know if they could get to the finals move as a point guard AD is not one hell no I can't do it all right next thing I'm gonna name five NBA players you tell me who'll be better today in today's NBA them or Dirk okay so transporting Dirk to 2025 I don't think we've done him before for this level one Dirk or Sengoon I'm not having these conversations just Dirk whoa Sengoon I'm not having these conversations it's Dirk shangoon you got to get out the room but don't get out too fast level two Dirk or Jalen Brunson

Come on now I love I love Jalen Brunton Dirk would be better Yeah give me 611 Jalen Brunson Yeah Loki the way that Jalen Brunson Leeds playoff offenses is a go-to score late

Dirk does the same thing But better bigger More efficient Yeah give me Dirk Level three Dirk or Anthony Edwards And so far this year He's not allowed

These conversations right now Not at all He's on probation Yeah Sorry he's a spender from Superstar talk He is suspended. He has to re-earn his way back into these combos. Go ahead and reinstate it.

He got him again. He's an alternative school. He got to fight. It might take like 45 days in order for you to enter the building. Level four, Dirk or Luca Danchich. Now we have conversations to be had. Both would be top five players in the league, undebatably. Which euro would you go towards?

Luke has averaged in 34, but he is soon like 10-3s-a-game, disgusting efficiency. If you gave Dirk. And still efficient and still leading an efficient offense despite being a brick from three. that is kind of nasty every single night Luca does something I'm like damn he's cold

he's cold yeah Luke as a playoff riser so is Dirk in 2011 one of the most beautiful runs I think I might we might go Luca here

because I do think that the passing is the difference Luca by barely though don't get too comfortable damn level five

what's gonna be Nicole Yokish when obviously I think we'd all agree Nicole Yokic has cleared Dirk he's Dirk is a score while being magic as a passer.

He's been passing for years now, right. Not too much on that. A couple of years. A couple of years been past them. It's been some time. Don't disrespect now. And I think, oh, last thing we're going to do, we're going to play NBA wavelength. So we haven't done this before, actually.

We've done something kind of similar, but we're going to have one person, I forgot, how does it go again? One person closes their eyes, and we pick a number, and we show it to the camera, you don't know it, and then you ask for a position,

we'll do a category by positions, and we'll try to give you a player equivalent to that number. Okay. We played this before, right, recently? We did it for House Outlays. Ah, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, so you can go first. So close your eyes.

The number is, on a scale of 1 to 10, this is the number. Okay. So ask for a position. Your eyes can open now. Okay, small Ford. You just never told me that. That's told you the entire time. Michael Ford, Jr.

Hmm. Michael Porter Jr. Give another one. Cam Johnson. Oh, shit. Okay. That's a good clue. Okay.

Yeah. Doing this on a scale, once to 10 to. Okay, so Michael, our MPJ is 10 clearly and Cam Johnson's like one. No. You have to guess the number that we, the, the, the, the number. Okay, okay, gotcha. I'm going to say six. Incorrect.

Ask for another position. That's not right. Fuck. Okay. Damn. All right. Another position, let's say center. Okay, center.

Um, this is, this is interesting. Nasreed. Ooh. Um, slow. Who's in this range?

Yeah. Nasreed is having a decent year, but I look at him like, ah, you kind of a part of Timberwell's problems, man. Ah. Derek Lively. Derek Blyvly.

Oh, man. No one cares about him ever since Luca got traded. I'm going to say two. Damn, that was way too bad. We're name a good player. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm too harsh. Okay, let's say point guard.

I need to get this fucking number fast. Deelo on an above average night. Okay. Dealing above average nights. Tide Jerome. Five. There we go. There you go.

You got to start. putting in these qualifiers. Yeah. He's all right. We've got to have some adjectives put in here. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

So now I'll close my eyes. You guys do a number? All right. You ready? The number is... Okay. All right. Okay.

Give me NBA coaches. NBA coaches. Ooh. So how do we want to start them off here? We will start... Demal Mosley. Yes. Four.

That's a good one. Okay. Tiago. Twitter post the honeymoon phase. Two. Okay. Okay. Incorrect.

Damn. Correct. Getting warmer, though. All right. Next, next category. What do you want? Give me. Give me NBA duos today.

NBA duos today. Okay. Trey Murphy and Zion. Trey Murphy. The 15th seat in the West? Yeah. What? The 15th seat in the weather.

Dead last. You're right. No, they're not one. Not one? What the fuck? Okay. Okay. Okay.

NBA duos. Who's someone who's, you know? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's say, you know, they can be, but, you know, they can just. Yeah. And you know, you see it. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Let's say Kobe White and. Three. Which. Gotcha. Correct. Gotcha.

Don't even finish the same thing. It's a bulls thing. Yeah. Gotcha. You went Boozovich over Josh Giddy. I didn't want to go there because a little bit too good. Either way, it would have been three. Yeah.

Okay. Next number to the camera. Okay. Okay. Go for it. What's the category? Category is shooting guards. Shooting guards. Shooting guards right now. Tyler Hero

Okay Tyler Hero Okay He just came back last night Yeah Tyler Hero Yeah he fit in right perfectly Okay We'll start six Incorrect

Okay Okay Next category Let's go city jerseys City jerseys This year Let's go all time All time

A all time city jersey So we have a wide array That throwback has this year. What? It's not bad. It's not a city jersey. It's a throwback.

Oh, that's a throwback? I didn't count a C's jersey. I'm counting those. No, you're talking about two different things. You're talking about he said throwback. You're talking about the blue ones. Yes, that's the one that I thought. That's not a city jersey.

That's not a Cid jersey. Okay. Say, say, Jerry's. Okay, so just jerseys. Yeah. Yeah. Throwback Cows jersey. Okay.

Yeah, the Navy Blue Caz one from the LeBron area. That's fair. See, this is hard because I know how he feels about it. I know how I feel about it. Yeah. We're going to go, we'll go eight. Oh, incorrect. Okay.

Not terrible. All right. We aren't, let's see. Who, okay, name, name the category is players that I would like to hang out with. Yeah. That you personally would want to hang out with. Bobby Portis. 10 out of 10.

No, incorrect. Okay. I should have known you love you and Bobby Ford is. Um, the, the,

okay, Chad Homegrid. Seven? Seven. Yeah. Yeah. You'd have a fun time. It'd be hilarious.

He'd be like, I'm a fun guy, but it's kind of, yeah. I'm putting a little bit. Okay, I'll go one more time. That's funny.

Do one to 100 this time. One to 100. Actually, no, then you can't tell the camera. Yes, you can. Yeah. We do 100. One to 100.

One to 100. Okay. Um. you show the camera okay yeah okay okay okay category is best player on a team today's NBA a franchise player franchise player let's go Denny

Denny okay okay sure let's yeah Denny is like multiples of five like how specific it's a whole number yeah it's a whole number yeah it's a whole number but yes 50 yeah damn okay incorrect um i think we got we got to think of some people in that range okay okay you said denny um let's go let's go uh once again lamella ball when his ankles are intact intact intact ankles are intact okay so good but not like top tier. Like, it's not above a 75. 65. Incorrect.

Damn it. Incorrect. I feel like, I feel like it's a 65. We are, let's say this. Let's go with Trey Young. 2021. Trey, yeah, Trey Young, the three-point

shot is going in. However, the floater is completely brick. 70. Trey Young, no three-point shot. Floater is completely brick. Oh, no

three point shot and it's completely brick, 40. A little bit of a floor. Damn. 45. All right. Next one. We are not,

we are not right here. Lowry? I've lost my metric here. I don't know if I was supposed to go up or down, 55. Correct. Okay. I completely lost.

55 was hilarious. Yeah, it's 55. Oh, okay. One more. Do you go? Okay. I'll go. Yep.

Let's do it. Okay. You're right. After three. guess is. I'm like, I'm like, what the fuck are we talking about? Player signature shoe lines. Okay. Who had just like quality, consistency

stuff? Um, all right, we got it. Ready? Okay. Uh, play Cognitioners shoe. Kobe when he was with Adidas. Ooh. One to ten, right? Yes. Okay, cool. I'm gonna say eight. Oh, no.

What? You don't fuck with the Adidas? I do that. That was not my clue. What? Okay. what's yours? Oh my God. We like it

ironic than out for all these years but whatever. After all these years it's hard, but let's that's still going crazy

let's let's go with um oh my fucking Clai Austin Reeves Anta ooh

four four that's incorrect I don't even remember him that is incorrect Okay, next category. All right, next category. Oh, wait.

Oh, dang. Free agents. I just thought, or offseason moves. Offseason moves. Okay. Jordan Poole signing. Or Jordan Poole trade. Jordan Poole trade.

That was a good trade, but it's like, ah, what are we really doing right now? Early I said four for the shoot thing in four. Okay. I'm going to say three. Ah, okay. The Pelicans trading, the unprotected pick to the Hawks. Jesus. Jesus, zero to one, man.

Jesus. It's zero. It's the worst dumbest shit. There we go. Might be in the negatives, man. And that's the end of this episode. If people are still here, watch the comments. Meow!

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