The Deep 3 Podcast - We Picked The Biggest Winners & Losers of the NBA Season | Ep. 76

Episode Date: February 17, 2024

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Are you rolling? I guess so. Oh, we're here at All Star Weekend in person in Indiana. What did you think would be your first time coming to Indiana? Did you ever see it happening? No, I didn't. Listen, this place is different for sure. I didn't, I had no idea what to expect of Indiana.

I didn't expect it to be snowing. I'll tell you that. Coming from Los Angeles, I haven't experienced sub 55 degree weather in like a year. So I'm not built for what's outside right now. No, you saw snow outside. you're like, oh my God, what's going on? End of the world. Yeah, man. But, like I said, we're here at Radio Radio and Indiana filming our show at All Star Weekend.

I know before this, Trey Young's podcast was filming. I don't know if any of you guys were here for that one, got to see both shows. This is going to be very different. This is going to be less serious, much more nonsense, much less professionalism. It'll be fun. It'll be great. It's everything that we thrive in. Yeah, exactly.

It's just quintessential us. Thanks. Let's do it. Yeah, man. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm here to talk about serious basketball. Yeah, so the main topic of today's show is the winners and losers of the NBA season.

So we're gonna go through, spread some positivity for some people who deserve a little bit of, you know, a spotlight on their season who've been great, but also some negativity on those who have been, you know, in the news for the wrong reasons this year. But before we get to that, we're gonna start off by doing something

that used to be a staple of the show in the early days, but we haven't done a while. Yeah. We're gonna react to some hot takes. Let's go. let's go we do this on the stream now as well some of them have been great some of them have been awful we'll see what the people got a mixture of quality of takes exactly but yeah man real simple i'm going to show you some NBA hot takes you let me know if they're a

W. Ornell. All right. First off, we got Thompson Pierce saying Luca is very easily the most viable player in the league this year. That's a good take, I would say. If he didn't play easily,

I would say it's a good take. But it's supposed to be hot, so I think it's a good hot take. Okay, okay, you're right, you're right. Yeah, all right, W then. I could see a world in which is true. Like, if Luca wasn't on that roster, we will be watching the Detroit Pistons

except in the West in Dallas. We've seen Derek Jones, Jr. playing O'Killin basketball. Yeah. Go between the legs, but my. it would not be fun but I mean L take he's not going to win MVP so if we're going off that

that metric L take but if you're going like actually what it means be most valuable then I can see you being a W but like even if you're going off like the like quote unquote like narrative and all that stuff

and we talked about it last time there's no reason why he shouldn't be top three yeah right with the way that the Mavs are surging again and I don't think that Yanna should hold a place in the top three right now and so I guess like if that's my

hot take then I'll take it but, like, yeah, I think that this is very clearly a W-take. You think it's very clearly a W-take? He's easily the most valuable player? Yeah. It's a hot-tick. You don't like the word easily in what's good. Like, most of it, if we're rating it on a hot take, then, yeah.

Okay, so it's a W-U in terms of being a hot take with L in terms of being true? Sit somewhere in the middle. You're complicated. This too much. It's a hot take. Yeah. All right, all right. W-take, there you go. You win.

Next up, we have this guy with a long name and a bunch of numbers. Next year, the Lakers will move on from LeBron James and the Anthony Davis era. this is a W take I've been saying this for a while they are not going to be in the championship contention next year much less this year and so 100% they should trade they should look into trading lebron and anthie davis rebuilding because they're the lakers they're going to get another star eventually it's going to be okay that's tough see you got me like the lebron james part's cool but the anti david's part's like eh what's really the rush to go ahead and get rid of him too i understand the logic behind it like yeah What's the point? He's older and we're trying to get on this new wave. You got three first round picks. But Anthony Davis, too, sounds a little bit steep.

I'll be honest with you. This is only happening if LeBron James decides to leave. His opt-in for this year is $52 million. Do you know LeBron James is the type of man to turn down $52 million? He's not. Neither do I. I don't expect him to be the tough man anytime soon. This is an L-take.

He's not going anywhere because of Sun plays in L-A. He loves being there for movies, all the stuff that he does, wants to be a Laker Forever all, yada, yada, yada. End of the day, he's not walking away from 50, two million dollars i can tell you that will it happen probably not should it yes that's a different question it should it should happen yeah i can see that you know we talk about at length as a lakers fan i'm sad i have not been enjoying the season i have not been enjoying anything basketball related for the past six months or really since the in season tournament so i guess i had like two weeks of hope where i was

like oh maybe we're going to make a run didn't last i told you i told you and i'm asking it's amazing you're going to rub it in yeah yeah it's great i can't wait till the next fall off All right, man. L take. Next one. Wembe is already a top five defender. Almost no one can beat in one-on-one. This was your burner account, wasn't it?

Liar! W-Take. W-Take. W-Tek. W-Tek. WM.E. is already a top two rim protector in the NBA. Incredibly mobile. 7-4-frame can block any shot. I don't see how he doesn't go down. It's one of the greatest defenders of all time. This is, yeah, you're right.

This is a W-Take. I think, like, if we were going pound for pound, right, regardless of who else is on the floor with you, you can make the argument that Wembe is the best defender in the league. Like there's a conversation to be had. And it's just the fact that he's playing with other guys who aren't defensively minded on the spurs. But no, he's amazing. Yeah, for sure.

We've never seen guys at literally his size be able to affect the game in a multitude of ways and deter hella shots. And with the way he just, he just reach out his arm and someone's already bothered by it, you know. If he was in Chet's place on the Oklahoma City Thunder with A'Shea, Lou Dort He'd be all NBA He would be the DPOI probably as a rookie Yeah

We'd be looking at like a Tim Duncan type Start to a career We're immediately the best defender in the league Please right now Chet is like top three, top four In DPOY odds And so he's already getting that type of love Yeah

Like you said if Wembe's in that situation He's probably winning Too bad he's stuck watching Kellen Johnson give up backdoor cuts all day It's terrible Running around trying to put out six fires at play I feel back sick Yeah

Not great but He's coming W take though But right I only had three, so that's only a hot tics we got. I think after that we get into the meat potatoes of the episode. Before we get to the unserious stuff, let's talk about the winners and losers of the NBA season this year.

Let's do it. Let's go one by one, each of us giving a winner and a loser, kind of like put a blend of positivity and negativity. Yeah. You want to go first, Donovan? Yeah. Who's your first winner of the season? My first winner of the season is very clearly the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Interesting. Okay, explain. I think that the Thunder are in their house money season. where outside of them getting swept in the playoffs, nobody honestly cares about the results of this year, right? They could win a championship or they could lose in the first round, and it's okay because they're better than what everybody expected them to. Shea is an MVP caliber player. Chet is rookie of the air caliber, right?

He's an all-star caliber. J-Lubb is taking a leap. Everybody on their team is taking a step forward, and they are at the top of the west. Once again, nobody thought they were going to be there. they can do no wrong and it's just the most positive situation in the NBA. So yeah, they're

very clearly the winners. Were they on your list, Mo? No, because I knew like one of us were going to have to put them on there so I'm like, I don't want to go ahead and double dip. But you're absolutely right about that. They are one of the biggest winners of the season so far. Sam Presti. I call them Scan Presti. That is his real name. Scam Presi's no longer Sam. Biggest scammer in the NBA

and he deserves that title 110%. I'm glad you said that. On my list? I didn't put the thunder We talked about Shea at Lans We talked about J-Dub all this I put Sam Presby specifically This man Jalen Williams is a star

Clearly in the making Maybe next year Maybe the year after that Whenever it may come He will make all-star games Multiple for years to come We know Chet is Chet Shea is Shea

The fact that Jalen Williams has blossomed into this And this is a player That he got Via the Los Angeles Clippers trade Sending Chris Paul away I mean Paul Georgia away He got Shea and J-DM in one trade

This year is just like vindication for this plan working for Sam Presti. He can look up every day and realize that the Clippers blessed him with a decade of relevance for his team. The quintessential, how to build a contender with a small market, he's by far the biggest winner, I think. And he still has 30 first round, 30, you know, 30 draft picks to play around with. Like, they are, they are not done. And when you get into the next two, three years and contract start coming up, they are going to be in prime position to rebuild and to retool as easily as possible. Yeah. Absolutely. for little c similar to what they did with receiving gordon hayward during the trade deadline yeah

and just like recycling someone like train man even though like you all know he's a good player just doesn't get burned because it doesn't make sense to interact and interfere with that core but i can just easily imagine a constant rinse and repeat rinse repeat young players who just don't necessarily fit exactly what okayc needs at that moment in time so yeah biggest winners is there how many big threes right now are better than shea jalen williams chet even in your one like five maybe like that's got to be a top five big three a lot of teams don't have all NBA worthy future all NBA worthy of course because 10 I'm not making it a lot of teams aren't that deep so yeah to be a top three big three young not even young core anymore

contending core when two of those people are either a second year player or a rookie ridiculous team building like I know like a lot of us were up here talking about like they need to make a big move they need to find a larry marketing find it was you not a lot of us yes yeah all right all right Larry wasn't available but if he was I was still on that shit they needed to get Larry marketing if they could but the fact that

they don't have to do something like that and they can just ride it out with their young core and be in contention year one of having that full young core it's ridiculous like very few GMs in NBA history have set up their team that well

and listen scam Presti is going to do another move to keep saying it every time it's his name now but like if he can make a move to get a lot of assets back for Josh Giddy

who we've all talked about is actively hurting their offense and like Gordon is there to replace him and close the lineups and do all that stuff but if you can get him out the picture and now get another player off the bench into your rotation that is just going to further everything everything that they do in the next coming years and I expect nothing less than for Presti to make a move like that yeah I wish they would ship Josh giddy to Charlotte like I have a bad no I've said a many time or episodes I think the thunder are like as good as the clippers as good as whoever you want to put in the west outside the

nuggets and like I can see them being in the conference finals I'm beginning to be a little worried about it because they are seemingly as committed to Josh giddy as they are to anybody it's like they're sacrificing so much for his development because they see a long-term vision in which he's the appropriate piece to play next to all their stars or whatever he is actively bad on offense and defense right now teams ignore him offensively he's a cone defensively that gets attacked isn't space on the floor even though he like can shoot like a 36% or whatever which seems okay it's because he's wide open every time and brings no gravity as a shooter the weakest defender there his passing isn't as good as used to be his rim scoring is as good as used to be no he fell off yeah so what does he do

he takes up space he has nice hair i don't know listen he's just he's there he could be the reason that we look up and they're down to one in the playoff series because the josh getting minutes are destroying them and mark dagonal decided to close a pivotal game two with him and it was clear to everybody involved watching the game that he shouldn't have been in the closing lineup i can just envision that happening against like the timber was or something and he just gets abused and now we're looking up and we're like the reason they're not going to fulfill their potential year one is because of the commitment to Josh Giddy. Yeah.

Damn. That's tough. That's tough. Letting him be the reason, Jesus Christ. Yeah. But outside of that, listen, they used been fantastic. And so shout out to them, major winner. There you go.

Who's your first loser? My first loser is the referees. The referees. The referees. I think that this year, and so like the league came out with, they've said that on a per game basis, there's actually like less errors from the referees. but it feels like every week there's at least one call

that is massively controversial and so at least in public opinion they are down horrendously there always seems to be a situation right most recently there was the Rockets Knicks game where they called the foul on Jalen Brunson and then it costs you know cost the Knicks the game afterwards they're like yeah we we mess up on that one

and listen I was gonna say I didn't have this no of course until like that game happens you're one biased motherfucker Yeah, it's all about the NICs. Listen, if the NICs right now are protesting that laws, in the history of the NBA, protesting the laws, protesting the laws.

And they actually might win the protest. Like, that's how bad it's been, but it's with that, it's with that, it's with the technicals that they give people just by seemingly looking at them, but for hanging on the rim, this and that. I think that the referees this year haven't done a fantastic job of just not getting in the way, right?

It always seems like when something is going on, one referee wants to step in and be like, well, now it's my time to shine. Like, I want to be involved and that's just not your job. They're definitely one of the biggest losers in the court of public opinion. So that's definitely true there. Being a referee right now is probably the most stressful it's ever been in NBA history with the amount of pressure on social media. Yeah.

It's crazy. That's tough. I can agree with that slightly because I'm just bringing in current events to what, we're doing. Is it my fault that the Knicks are involved in, you know, a refereeing scandal? No, it's not my fault, right? But like, man character syndrome. This is what they do. This is what the referees do. I think it's a little bit overblown. I think it's a hard job. Of course you do. Every year we say this. We focus on the mess ups more than we do the 99% of plays where things are perfectly fine. And I think a bigger issue people have with the rules, not necessarily how they're

being enforced, which conversation for another day. But I feel like it's become like a very big symptom of like NBA Twitter brain to blame everything on the revs every single fan base swears as a vendetta against them from everything and most of the time it's just ridiculous unless you're playing the Lakers and which is probably true I'm sorry yeah I think most fan bases are incredibly dramatic about referees but as a Knicks fan there's you have a great to have right there's like there's like two or three fan bases where I actually think it can be like true I think I think the Lakers are one where like if you're playing against the Lakers you're not going to get that call sometimes like even Warriors fans, like you're probably not going to get that.

I think Warriors fans are the worst of the drama. They swear Steph is a pariah that the NBA world hates and they just refuse to give them a call because they're a team that's awful at attack in the rim, generates no room pressure. And every game, they're like, why do we only have seven free throws? Their other team has 30 because you have Chris Paul, Steph Curry and Pajemsky's your main ball handlers, all of which don't get to the rim like that. Well, he does. But, you know, he's not a huge foul draw.

And even if he is good at that, two through seven on the roster, generate no room pressure. Of course they don't get a lot of free throws. you're not watching the cum bucket play basketball John the Combinga doesn't move you Speaking of that Postalises don't move you Speaking of the Cumbucket My first winner of the 2023 NBA season

Is the Cumbucket himself Jonathan Caminga Y'all are wild for that Y'all y'all are crazy You all like crazy Listen never has there been A more successful calling out Of your boss

Than the Cumbuckets When he went to the mass media His agent put it out there I'll call that man by his name We can't go two and a half hours Call him that but I'm going to the media and called out Steve Kerr in a very blatant, wild thing to see from my own player, where he was basically like, I can do more, you're not giving me the minutes.

I'm going to make it very clear to the public that I think I can do more because I have a contract coming up pretty soon and I want to earn that money and I need the opportunity to show I can earn that money. Since then, in the last, what is it, 16 games, he went from averaging 12 points per game to 21.6 on 57% from the field and 44% from 3. He has spent everything he swore to us he could be. He saw the vision. He knew himself. He knew that if you gave me shots,

I can be a go-to score as a second option. I can be what you got from Andrew Wiggins in 2021 as a big wing who can do self-creation on the side while being a good spot-up shooter. He's great at harnessing his athleticism and getting to the rim in a very, like, clunky way. His handle is kind of funny to look at, but very effective as a score now.

I think he has to be winner. Like he earned himself so much money by just like telling the boss, he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Yeah, no, he's a major runner because like literally 30 minutes after he complained about his boss, his homie. Moses Moody did the same thing. And ever since then, I didn't see Moses Moody ever again. I don't know what the Warriors did to him. But hey, free him, bro.

They said him to the Shadow Realm and give all the Minutes to Camino. Yeah, exactly. It's kind of unfair. But, no, Jonathan Cominga, he's quite literally a fresh breath of air. And he's a big part of the reason why alongside, like, Germant Green, playing immaculate basketball, soon three as well, being like one of the five best of friends of NBA doing natural stuff. Jonathan Kaminga is that new punch, fresh breath of air, that offensive, like, uniqueness that they need, you know, to go ahead and revive and turn around their season. Donovan, if you had to guess, what do you think Jonathan Kaminga's full of what percentage of the rim is right now? You're asking me, so I guess it's going to be kind of high. I'm going to say, like, 71%.

75? Do you know what? Yonis ended Akumpo shot last year at the rim? 74. 75. Damn. Obviously, it's different. He's a higher volume guy

that attacks different types of mismatches. Yonis is Yonis, so like the volume's different. 95th percentile for wings at 75% of the rim. Legitimately one of the better rim finishers in the league. I think Lucas at like 76, who's like the standard for rim finishing for a player that size. Yeah.

Kamikas genuinely has an elite skill in that way that someone like Moody doesn't have. That's why he's getting the minutes and Moody is in Wongdong. Yeah. It's ridiculous that it took this, like, it took Jonathan Kaminger calling out Steve Kerr after years of him riding the bench,

especially because, the Warriors have needed a second punch like this with Clay's decline Andrew Wiggins forgetting how to play basketball like Jordan Poole going to Washington

their... Shut around. Yeah, true. They needed somebody who can come in and get 17 at least and just help step out for the last part of his prime

and for Kerr to not to like look on the bench and see this like 6, 7, 68 dude who's extremely athletic, I know and just look down and be like, no, I'm good.

I'm okay. I'm going to play Corey. Joseph instead. Ridiculous. That's my small Ford. Ridiculous. So yeah, shout out to him. And he got the haircut too, which also helped.

Yeah, which also coincides. It might be. With everything, listen. So you know. Remember when Kairu was struggling with the Celtics and he cut his hair and he came out hooping? People think it's fake. Like if you...

Same thing happened with Jason Tatum, too. Yeah. If you are struggling, go get a lineup and you will average at least five points more. People were calling him Mickey Mouse and then he came out and dropped 30 every night. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, it's just interesting because the Warriors have been unbelievably mid for most of

year. But over the last 12s. games or so. They've really turned it around. You said Drummond Green isn't playing well. That's a huge reason why he came back. He stopped doing his mischievous acts of violence. And since then, he's been incredible as a full-time center. They bench Luni because they realize the spacing's never going to work because Andrew Wiggins can't shoot anymore. We need Dremont on the court. We can't afford to have another big there. Dremont's been incredible as a full-time center. We're kind of just like seeing the small ball Dremont stuff. We've seen the playoffs, but on a lot full-time,

which creates a space for Kaminga. They're so bad, like I said, because they don't get to the rim. They get to the rim 4% more when Kamingo's on the court. So, now, not like he makes him a great rim-scoring team. But it's better. Clear answer to a problem they have. Yeah, it's another option, man. It's another option. And it's quite cool to see.

And it's also really cool to see Dremont just revive himself after the last few seasons. He's been good, of course. But this season, I think he has another offensive gear and punch to him. You're shooting like 40% from the three-point line. Yeah. Still putting up like nine points or whatever, but those nine points, you feel that nine points more. If you see Dremont Green hit a half-course shot, if I saw him hit a half-course shot on my team, on my team, I'm going home that night, taking Advils to rest the pain away.

Like, this is ridiculous. I'm buying a lottery ticket. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's wild. I'll move on to my next, my first loser. I'm going to go to Pistons Young Corps because they were, they were very promising, right? We all came into it and we were like, Kit Cunningham's going to be a star when he gets healthy.

Jayne Nivey's a promising young guard. We all like Jaylen Duren, quintessential, rim running big man. They drafted a star Thompson. We all like, you know, the pieces on paper made so much sense. then they hired Monty Williams who spent 20 games making Jaden Ivy his 13th man in his rotation

getting DMP coached decisions while Killing Hayes 25 minutes a night scammer of the year the decisions he's made and like I'm sure he's good at his job he got a lot of money because he brought the sons to relevancy when they had

a solid young core he brought in a culture of winning and all this stuff happens to coincide with Chris Paul getting in there too I don't know who was responsible for what but you know that got Monti Williams paid and he's came to Detroit and he needed to do the exact opposite of what he's supposed to be good at. Yeah.

It's been absurd. Yeah, it's terrible. Like, and I'm just realizing, like, Troy Reaver sat here and he quite literally traded every single player that Monty Williams was in favor of. Couldn't trade Killian Hayes. Fuck it. Cut him, bro. Sorry, sorry, bro.

Sorry, sorry, man. Can't you like that. He was starting both of them at once? Yeah, given James Wiseman opportunity over guys like Jalen Dirk, not Jalen Duren, but what's his name? Yeah, one of their bigs, just like, he just doesn't deserve that many opportunities. much opportunity over guys like a Marvin Bagging who's gone now too so it's just him too all down bad it's all down bad yeah listen we can discuss Troy weaver's performance as the GM at length very up and down

but listen he's the one to hire monta williams and maybe maybe monta will figure it out he's said that he's listening you know jaden ivy's thriving now he's starting but the fact that it took so long and he had to be convinced to give jaden ivy minutes not start jane ivy he had to be convinced to give him minutes yeah that's absurd yeah and you went in and dropped like damn near 40 just a couple nights ago. And so Monty Williams, he's definitely on a watch. I mean, is it the young cores? Are they the losers? I guess they're the losers by like default because they had to deal with Monty. But I think Monty should, Monty William should be the one that we're looking at. And he should be the loser of the year. The only reason why we're

not saying you're the loser of the year is because you are now the highest paid coach in NBA history. And you have a bag on the other side of it, whether you get fired or not. But he like, like, Like you just, you know, laid out. All of his decisions are the reasons why we haven't even been given the opportunity to see if Jaden Ivy can actually play. We can't see if Cade Cunningham can actually lead a team because the situation around him is so, so bad. Yeah, it's getting better now.

So we're starting to see that opportunity. And like, when I did the hot takes, I tweeted out this morning, give me your hot takes. Some of them were like, J.Nivey might be better than Kate Cunningham, low key. That's tough. Which. Those conversations must be had later. But the fact that that's a possibility now and J. now he's playing that well, and he wasn't getting playing time earlier in the season,

it's mind-boggling. Like, what were they doing? Yeah, Monty Williams' resume over the last three years is just not looking good. Getting your back's bone out, not once, but twice in the playoffs over the last two years. Then now you just put up like a horrific coaching game plan and performance out there. It's just not looking good at all. Listen, I respect the good bad gutter, though, so scam away. Would you be scam the pistons for the biggest contract in coaching history, do it.

Like, I don't care if you're doing a bad job afterwards. He wins. Speaking of scamming, I got my first winner. Okay. The Nasus and Tending Kumpo. He is living every man's dream right now. He is hooping his ass off, getting burn time. He has a podcast called 40 minutes ago.

You find out what's called Thanalysis, which is hard as ever. Incredible name. And he's also looking after his younger brother hoop. Who wouldn't want to have that job? He's a winner. I'm jealous. I'm not jealous for a lot of things, but DeNossis, I wish that was him. He really has an ideal life.

Is he the ideal manner now? he might be, to be honest with you, bro. It's commending the ball late in the fourth quarter. You know how nice it is to get paid millions and have podcasting be your main focus outside of the court? Like, you just think about being the enforcer, clapping on the sidelines, doing your job and your limited rule, and then chatting it up on the internet? Like, that's awesome.

Like, yeah. He said, he's a biggest winner for sure. He could put out a horrific performance every single night. And what are they going to do about it? You want to trade me? My brother, he's going to put you with a headlock. can't do that you want to talk about job security yeah exactly bro he got listen he can hit the sham guy whenever i think he can have a highlight once every like six months and he's going to be

okay like that's a that's a good winner i like that no it is funny though robin lopez got traded i wonder i saw i think i heard zach lobeck at this point where he was like these look like the two most job secure people in the league one is gone what is the analysis what is the analysis thinking is he scared that's hilarious bro we're your biggest loser for the year ah staying on the same team, the Milwaukee Bucks. Everybody's down, but the analysis is up. The analysis is up, bro. He's up like a mug, man.

Yeah. Since the Doc Rivers era, I mean, everyone knew that firing came out so sudden and it kind of like threw a rift into, a wrench into everyone's plans, especially the Milwaukee Bucks and Janice and Dame, that Janice and Dame parent hasn't been looking like anything. They don't hoop together on the court. They don't look like a deal. It looks like they're just like literally on the court at the same time. And they happen to be wearing the same jersey.

You know what I'm saying? It's not like. They're co-workers. They're not teammates. Exactly. Exactly. That's what it feels like. I don't know how they are off the court, but on the court, there's no synergy or anything

like that between them. They just lost to the Grizzlies. The G.G. Jackson Show took another victim. Oh, my God. Do you care about anything that happens during All-Star Week, though? Not a damn, not of one bit. True. Doug Rivers came out after that game and said, half our guys were in Cancun.

He was right. The week before All-Star break is always full of just absurd fuckery, where teams aren't trying. Young players, you know, can take advantage of this. G.G. Jackson can drop 30 on you. He didn't have 30, but you know what I mean? Like, you're doing crazy. Take that with a great assault. But even outside of this week, they haven't been good. And the Duck Rivers area is not starting promising.

And I've been calling this shit out since like three, four weeks into the season. I'm like, this shit just doesn't feel right. Chris Milton had to work himself into playing shape, which is normal, came off of injuries, getting up there with age. Normal? Cool. No one cares about that. But as time goes on and on and on and on, you start to see the dog. Their defenses looks like really wonky. Oh, my God. They're giving up so many transition points. What the heck is going on with Damien Lillard?

He doesn't look the same whatsoever. He's not that All-Star that, you know what I'm saying? We win us and hope that he would be. So they're just like three and seven in this Stock River era. Everything's just looking so down bad for him right now. Yeah, they're definitely, like, regardless of what the record says. And we've, I think Mo and I have been on it. You've been a little bit more patient with them, like, throughout the season.

But I think that I am, I've kind of been off the bandwagon. of thinking that this team is going to, you know, make a deep run. Every year, like there's teams where you look at and you get to the playoffs and people just kind of expect like, oh, you're just going to turn it on. But the only reason why you're thinking that is because you look on paper and you have Janus, you have Dame. But outside of name recognition, that team hasn't shown you over the last six months that they are trustworthy to win in a playoff setting, right,

to do all the dirty work and stuff like that. It wouldn't shock me at all if we get to the playoffs. and the buck's losing the first round, right? That would a shot. Like Mo said, they don't look like they are together. And maybe after the all-star break, they just need time away, and Doc Rivers can actually, like,

get time to put in whatever he wants, talk to the team, do all that type of stuff. But right now, it looks like a failure, and you traded away Drew Holiday, and for Dame, you understood that you were going to have worse defense for better offense. That's the tradeoff.

And the offense is still good. but the process right now just feels a little bit flawed with how they're going about it. Are you saying Pat Bev doesn't move you? He doesn't solve. He doesn't replace Drew Holiday in your mind? I mean, he doesn't replace you holiday. I think the Milwaukee Bucks are the only team in the NBA

with two-player podcast, analysis and the Pat Beth Pod. That doesn't move you. Is that too? That does. Are they the only one? Do you, but that may, that moves me. No, but that may further my point. How much podcasting do you want on a certain team?

Right. I think you can only have like one podcast. There's just too much. Yeah, it's a podcast quote. It's just too much. And like, I don't, I don't know. I do think that this team is halfway cooked. Two podcasters and a rapper.

Who's the rapper? Dame is not a rapper. He is not a rapper. You're a hater to your core. Stop that. I can't believe it. Yeah, they're weird because, like you said, they traded offense for defense.

We all knew this would be the thing. Their offense is legitimately great. It has been all year. And we believe in other teams that were offensive slanted. It's just where it's so, range to see it from a buck's team who's expected to be great defensively. So I feel like we focus a little too much on the weakness and other strength that, you know, had them at the two seat, even with their humongous coaching flaws and lack of

cohesion. That's still going to be there. The biggest flaw to me is that, like you said, they don't feel, they feel very disconjointed with Damien Lurton and Janus. Yonis does not want to play like Anthony Davis. He is not trying to set screens, roll to the rim, do that, which obviously Dame needs. He wants to be LeBron. He wants to be the ball handler. He has to find out, find it within himself to accept a role of doing something a hybrid so they can actually hit this, you know, pinnacle. And maybe it's not even he doesn't want to. Maybe he's not good at it. He's talked at length about he's not used to being in that role. He sets a screen. They double dame every time. He catches the ball down low in the short role.

Immediately is double teamed. He's not used to making those passing reads and kicking out the corner. He doesn't know how to fight off the double teams and get to a shot without having to give to Jay Crowder in the corner every time. It's a big learning curve. But despite that, they've still been a top five offense all year. So do you think that come playoff time, come 30 more games with the new coach. Do you see those issues being solved at all getting better? Because if you do, that's a crazy ceiling of an offense that they're just good without even figuring it out. Solved and being better are two different things. Yeah. And do I think they can be better? Yes. Because the more you just play with somebody, you're going to get better. But

to get to where they want to go, they need to solve these things, right? If they're going to go and play Boston in a seven game series, they're going to need to have to solve. If Joel and B is back and they play the Sixers, they need this solved, right? If the Knicks are healthy, that's going to, that's going to be an issue for them, right? It's going to be at least a tough series. You still the Knicks in there. Yeah, exactly. We noticed.

But, no, I actually agree with them. I actually agree with them. No, you're right. If there was going to be a time in a season where, like, they do once again. It's going to be a lot of Knicks talk today. I understand that. I'm over it. If there's going to be a season where they do get upset could be this year once again, bro.

I'll say there was also last year. Yeah, also in Blash of an Atlanta. Indiana got better, of course. We have to imagine the Miami Heat are going to get better once all the refools get settled once Jimmy gets back and Terry Rosier gets good again. But yeah, like, this is very scared for me. And if I'm a Milwaukee Bucks fan, I'd be in shambles.

Yeah, I think they can make a run with their defensive deficiencies, but it has to be, like you said, the issues with Damienis have to be solved. They have to be clicking at full cylinders, unstoppable pick and roll where they can just straight up out shoot you with the second best player in the world on one side. and what's the 12th best player in the world and the other side,

like that deal has to be at their peak to make up for this defensive deficiency. You see, and that's an issue. Damien Liller doesn't look nearly at his peak whatsoever. And if he's not, then those dreams... A big part of that, though, is because of what we're saying that his life, what he does well is not being, you know, like prioritized

or put in a good position. Like, he's having to do a lot more ISO than he's used to. The pick and roll isn't nearly as effective. He's not getting into spots, as well as, you know, the off-court distractions that are currently affected personal life and stuff so we can't know how much that affects it but you know there's a world where

you can imagine he gets better because the team is better suited to let him thrive i hope because the worst possible thing you could have is a cranky honest next thing you know he's going to be on on td3 along with the nazis probably talking about some yeah man i need to go ahead and get a new team because i want to win i want to win and all this stuff he could play for the mavericks last year yeah yeah yeah who's your next winner donovan move back to positivity let's go i have two winners in one And these are two guys that I had completely given up on and they've revived themselves. It's Kar-Anthe-Town's a Rudy Gaubert. My guy.

I can't reach you to tap you up. Rudy Gaubert is on my list of winners. Yeah. I agree. Same time. Listen, Kat is a guy where, like, after last season, all of us thought, Kat was going to be the one who was going to be moot. Just because they gave up all the draft capital for Rudy, right?

He kind of doesn't necessarily fit. He stepped his playup and he fits into what they're doing now. he's been playing some fantastic basketball he's an all-star now right probably should have given this to somebody else like rudy gober right like like rudy gobert but he is an all-star and he's been playing well rudy gober at the end of last season probably had the lowest trade value ever and even for a guy who already had negative narratives around him probably even lower than that and he's going to win defensive player the year the bounce back from those two guys to have minnesota as as the one seed, to have them as a legitimate threat to beat the nuggets and to maybe get

to the finals, that's a huge turnaround for a team that I don't think any of us thought that they were going to be top five, top six, right? Man, was I hating on this team? Yeah. And we all agree. Everybody was down on Kat, us included, were no different. We didn't see this coming. The Rudy Gobert talk is hilarious.

People hate that man. For no reason. They just think he's oralist and don't like watching him play. Oralus. So he has the shortest leash for players. opinion two years ago and before that you know he was d p oi caliber with the jazz nobody liked them but you know you got to give it to him he's they're winning they're like the jazz with a one seat in 2019 or something like that they're obviously worthy of respect you can hate on him but you can only do so much to discredit him

then the terran's man thing happened where the game plan was leave him open he had a million threes and people just decided that was really gober's fault they were just like you got shit on by terran's man that was always a weird narrative that wasn't really aligned with reality but everybody Obviously, everybody took the opportunity to tear him down, right? Came back at a better year. He was kind of like at a point where he can go either way. And then last year, he just looked slightly worse. And people acted like he was Hashim the beat.

People were acting like he was James Wiseman. They were acting like he was cooked last year. They were praying on his downfall and it happened and they were dancing on his grave. And then this year, when he comes back and plays DPOI again, not a peep. It's just like, everyone's like, all right, got to give him to him again. It's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, like, it's funny because any time you hear any NBA team talk about the Minnesota Tim Rules, all they talk about is how big they are on the defensive end and just how they just get in the way of things.

The reigning NBA champions, Nicole Yokic, why did you do that? Nicole Yolkich. He was like, yeah, man, they're just like all over the place and they just get in the way and disturb things. And that's because of the way Kat has been playing on defense as well. Obviously, like the number one in defense of NBA, been that way the entirety of the season. And that 110% belongs to Rudy. But seeing Cat evolve his game be somewhat of a connector on offense while also mixing that in with his value that he brings on the offensive side too when it comes to his ability to stretch the ball out and, you know, go ahead and put the ball on the ground and do other things as well that not many players at his size can do has meant a lot. And then, of course, we haven't mentioned his name, Anthony Edwards, just keeps on getting better.

And this is just like the best case scenario for the Timberwolves. It doesn't matter what you do in the playoffs unless it's like the first time exit, then it's like, ugh. But I will say, they have to make a good run. It has to either be a very respectable second round loss or conference finals. Because this team, they already pay Jayne McDaniels, like $28 million a year. He's like their fourth best player. Anthony Edwards, obviously a max player. Cat, a super max player.

Gritty-go-bear, max player. That's a lot of money. Nasree got a contract. They're soon going to be a set. second apron luxury tax team and they are the Minnesota Timberwolves they can't afford to be doing that every year they can't pay that type of luxury tax bill only way they justify that and keep this team together is if they make a run and they can truly be a contender if this team flames out which a lot of people kind of expect them to given their offensive issues in the playoffs if they lose

to the clippers or whoever may be in the second round we might still be having cat conversations because something has to change with this team if they deem they are too expensive to keep together and it'll probably be cat yeah I agree like the cat conversations are going to happen until he proves everybody wrong because even even right now I think a lot of the questions about how they're going to be in the playoffs is what we've seen car anthie towns in the playoffs before and whenever the game starts getting close he has crazy turnovers he starts pulling from 37 feet like he just has these weird moments yeah of not necessarily showing up the difference this time is he he isn't as needed I don't I don't feel like with anti Edwards stepping up the way that he has and

like in in late game situations obviously cat is an option he can still do things but Anthony Edwards is going to be the one that's going to drive them so like offensively I think they're going to get as far as he goes yeah but we will still have cat conversations though I think all that matters is that they maximize their potential and nobody to you to you what's their potential though second round exit you think that you think that's the ceiling for the that's probably the ceiling in my mind what I don't have eye expectations for someone like Carr Anthony towns I don't trust their final ceiling like at least conference final ceiling like my

The ceiling, best-key scenario? Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. I think that's... I'm conservative. Okay. I don't want to give them high expectations like that.

Yeah. No, if their ceiling is a second round exit, then the team's cooked. They are not staying together. But I think their ceiling is a lot higher than that. There's a world where the first round, they stomp out, whoever's a seven-seat or whatever. They beat the Mavericks, whoever may be there. Second round, they play. Who would be in the 4-5?

The Suns or Pelicas or something? Yeah. There's a world where they can get at the conference finals. I think that's pretty likely. if they don't make the conference finals or like I said very least six or seven game series in second round then we're in trouble you're right but at the same time you got to remember who we're talking about here the Minnesota Timberholes not the Lakers Celtics or the Knicks or whatever this team made meant to playoffs since like 2004 2004 there was in a couple years ago 2018 yeah oh forget about that they lost a job yeah that was yeah before then yeah for sure but they haven't been in one seat in a very long time this is one of the best things in NBA history so they did they This is their chance to jump on this opportunity and prove this course to stick together. So, and again, obviously Kat and Gobert, their reputations, huge winners for the season. We'll see how it translates.

Facts, facts, facts. Who's your second biggest loser? The Sacramento Kings. Oh, interesting. Okay. I think that the Sacramento Kings have, they are, they're very, very close to sliding into NBA purgatory and being just mid. And I think that they decided in the offseason. to stand on everything that they had within the building.

They didn't go out and make a crazy move, right? They didn't kind of blow up everything. They decided to Subonis and Fox, those are our guys. And even this year, they got a leap from Deera Fox. And everybody, like, they stayed together. The coaches are all there. And they are in trouble. They're either at six or like in the playing.

Yeah. They're the eight seed. They're in the playing at danger of falling to the nine and ten seed because the warriors are on. fire and the lakers have been doing extremely well exactly and so they're falling into mid and so i think right now they have a they have a falling into mid is hilarious they have a they have a very very low ceiling yeah i think that with this core of fox and sabonis it's playing out a real time of we're not good enough to get to the second round we're not good enough to get to the conference finals and they

didn't make a move at the deadline so now we're going to go into the offseason that i don't expect them to win a playoff series and now they're going to have serious questions about the team core and the construction. And so the whole light the beam, this whole era, which is just one year. You say light the beam one time the season at all. Last year you're like, look the beam, light the beam. Every time you had the opportunity. Because it looks different. It was, and they were able to get away with having not a great defense when you had the best offense in the league. The offense has regressed to a point of right above, you know, middle of the pack. And it's like, okay. It's 14th. It's middle of the pack. They're just mid. Like you said, last year, a team of great. They don't have

any all-stars like even even the public perception of putting foxes a bonus into the all-star game is not there they are they're falling into a very bad space and a spot where if if you're a small market team that hasn't had a lot of success you you can be happy but with the success that they had last year they did not take the leap and so now they're finding out the hard way yeah we have we like we have to make moves to keep getting better so 14th defense 18th offense sounds real Atlanta hockey to me all right I didn't need that straight. I was having a great day.

Tremendous day. I'd like to make it worse. All right. Two things I got to say about that. Last year, the Sacramento Kings were one of the most blessed teams in the NBA when it comes to health. De'Anon Fox had a shoulder injury, I don't know, a month and a half ago or whatever it was. And since then, his numbers have tanked.

The big reason why the Sacramento Kings go, of course, the bonus is a bonus and he is like a big part of their system, but he can only take you so far. De Aaron Fox and how we saw him playing during. during the first 21 games of the year, playing like a top anywhere between 15 to 12 player is what took them over, you know what I'm saying? And now that he's gone through this injury and he doesn't look like himself at all,

he's slumming so alongside with that, the team is something that hurts. And then also being too comfortable, their head coach, talking about some, oh yeah, King Murray's going to go ahead and be that next star. King Murray's a fantastic player. He made a leap defensively,

but earlier in the season. one of the best defenders in the league honestly exactly still has value but we saw him take that leap in another way so in my mind i thought even at the start of the season how in the hell can this team remain the same and like still hold on to that number one offensive team you know what i'm saying in the NBA it just it just didn't click for me and they're getting peaks a bonus too like it's not like it's that's sick they were getting peak fox started the year as well and they still weren't particularly good they're hired an eight seat you know they fell down there when when fox had his atrocious january yeah where he shot 29 percent from three after starting the year shooting 42

Which we all kind of jumped a gun and we're like, oh shit, D. Aaron Fox might just be an elite shooter now. He might be unguardedable. Maybe that was a hot streak. We'll see which end of the spectrum. He's more towards in reality. But yeah, it's just weird. Like the team, nothing is working offensively. Kevin Hurd is not shooting quite as well as he was last year. Harrison Barnes is still just a godsend for them. He's been a fantastic audition. Still just 14th in offense. Still on a great rebounding team. The pace isn't giving you dividends like I did last year. Sabonis is play style. well is fun to look at lots of triple doubles still doesn't lead to good defense still doesn't lead to the high in offense this year just like you said there's a very low ceiling exactly I feel maybe there's a decent floor but there's no way they can be a top two team in this conference yeah so I think if you're the kings and you're looking around this all season you have to make a you have to make a legitimate move to to get forward and that's where I think like the the thunder right where they're in their house money season like I said I think the kings had that last year and so if the Kings want to give back to that.

They have some serious questions that they have to answer. And you know, this is where, like, a lot of bad draft picks don't start showing until, like, you're in the air of, like, okay, we're starting to figure things out, but we need that one-two punch. And that one-two punch was, like, guys, like a Tyrese Halliborne, but he's subpoenas, you know what I'm saying? No one cares about that. That's great. But off night, like, what does he? Yeah, it was a miss.

That was a bad miss. That was a miss. And misses like that sets your organization back. completely. Yeah, especially like you said, when you give up a lot of pieces to go all in for a bonus, you got to have those pieces of hit. So unfortunate. Yeah.

Massive loser for me. Mo, who's your next winner? Back to positivity. We're put up in. Back to positive. No consistency of this episode. Let's go ahead and talk about the Cleveland Cavaliers. The hottest team in the entire NBA.

You see it. I already know they're on your list and your phone is off right now. Give it to me. Not only are the Cleveland Cavaliers on my list, specifically Donovan Mitchell's on my list. Love it. You go and explain. Why do you have the Cavalier's on there? The Cleveland Cavaliers.

have completely transformed their offense. There's a saying goes like, oh, like maybe this is a blessing of disguise. That quite literally happened to the Cuban Cavaliers when Evan Mowly went out and Darius Garland, like usual, broke his face again. With Darius Garland being gone, broke his face again.

I don't know what it is. A bit of a facebreaker? Yeah, like his face just attracts like elbows. Elbows. And like, yeah, it's just crazy as hell. But, yeah, like, Donovan Mitchell has been playing the most elite version of basketball that we could imagine of him.

He's peak Donovan Mitchell right now. His passing has taken a leap alongside with that. The Cleveland Cavaliers have gotten guys like a Sam Marrow. I remember a couple of what streams ago. I said, wow, he sounds like a math teacher, to be honest with you. He's an absolute sniper, plays his ass off on the defensive end. And guys like that, you just can't phase out of rotation as time goes on, even when your guys come in and get healthy.

And that's exactly what J.B. Bickerstaff has realized. something someone else won't want to get flowers to Jared Allen he's evolved his game his passing is very underrated okay his defense has been he's been one of the best defenders at his position in the entire NBA and so they're in a beautiful spot now Evan Mobley and Darius Garland have to figure out how to add value to this team we've seen Evan Mobley he's been good he came back hit three three three three three four three career high we never seen that before they're in a great spot I'm gonna say something all right don't laugh keep a straight face I don't want to see a single smirk

I'm dead serious. I like George's Nying on this team. I agree. Nice. I agree. I think both of the signings that they had in the offseason with Nyang and Struis, those were elements that they needed. Yeah.

Right? They needed more shooting there. When you had Garland and Garland, Mitchell, Alan, Mowgli, sometimes the spacing can get a little bit compact, right? And having those guys to be able to space the floor, move around, right? set screens. They help, so I like George's Nying on this team too. I love it. Shout out George's Nying, getting

comments about him other than being built like a potato. That's all. I saw Shaq making fun of the way he was built on live TV. That's the one time I was talking about the cab. Shack's making fun of the way he's built. He's been good. He's a lot of versatility he's a big forward. I like him. And it's so funny you mention Max Schurge's too. He's like the most effective, ineffective

shooter in the league right now. Damn. He's like one of the most inefficient shooters out there. He's shooting very low from three. But his volume is so high. And teams respect his gravity so much and he really stretches the court that like even though the shots aren't falling teams don't care because you're not leaving max screws open if you know that's going to flip around eventually and he's going to be getting back to shooting really well and it's just exactly what they need a legitimately effective offball movement shooter that can be next to donovan metro and Jared

Allen and give them that gravity last year they were relying on Isaac Okoro and what was like Lamar Stevens like all the times people were talking about in the playoffs they should know benching Evan Mobley or Jared Allen go one big for who Lamar Stevens minutes to close the game? No, thank you. So, like, now they have those legit shooting options. You mentioned Jared Allen's defense. I like his offense more.

I mean, obviously defense is great. Yeah. But he's been, like, so empowered to go back to what he was when he was an All-Star and, like, have a bag offensively, legitimately effective post moves, good at attacking mismatches, really creative finishing on the role. Like, there's a stark difference in what we saw last year, the first year of having this full team together when we saw Jared Allen kind of take a backseat, trying to figure out how to let Evombole work.

This year, it's like a clear mind shift change because obviously Evmobly wasn't there. And I'm just hoping that sticks around when both them are there and he can continue to be aggressive, Jared Allen. Yeah, absolutely. I agree. And now we can step back like a couple months ago when the initial injuries for Evan Mobley

and Darry's Garin happened. Folks are like, there were whispers. Wasn't loud, but there were whispers and those conversations were definitely happened. Should Donovan Mitchell be traded? Should they start looking to trade Donovan Mitchell? Even I contemplated that for two seconds, but I'm like,

that may be a little bit too early, and then boom, Nixstrom would start happening. Yo ass is happy as hell, and I hate when you're happy, bro, especially about the Nix. You're upset. He's hating. He's hating. But since then, they figured it out, and now they have a whole new trajectory.

And whether or not, like, of course, you want Donald and Mitch on your team. And I think, like, we can all foresee a future in which this group of guys, this core guys end up doing something special in the future, whether it be winning the finals or just getting there without LeBron James, very impressive for the city. I put Donald Mitchell on my list and not the Cavs because I think, you know,

I mentioned Rudy Gobert earlier instead of the Timberwolves because reputationally he should sew up and down. Donald and Mitchell was going through the same thing. The league just like decided we're going to take him for granted for a couple of years. We're bored of Donald and Mitchell. Similar, you know, part of it's probably proximity

to Rudy Gobert because the jazz teams were very unlikable because nobody wants a route for Rudy Gobert. And no, they flamed out the last year there. Paul George just got them out of the fucking paint and made the conference finals by himself and Kauai was hurt, embarrassed him, led to the team exploding.

Lash of Donovan Mitchell comes in, first team all-N-B-A, he's looking fantastic. Actually, no, I think he felt a second team. But, you know, all-M-B-A guard in the first year of the Cavs, the three-seed, high hopes. I was saying I think they made the conference finals. I fully bought in on the Donovan Mitchell,

Evan Mobley, Jared Allen, Darius Garland combination. Teeth kicked in by the Knicks. Abuse. Mitchell Robinson, abuse. Jalen Brunson, abuse. People were just forgetting about Donovan Mitchell, because what have you done for me lately?

They're like, oh, whatever, small guards can't win, blah, blah, blah, blah. And now he's back. Passing's improved what you said. Six assists per game. 60% true shooting, 28 points per game. I want to see him be on a team one day where he can be a point guard for real because his passing is like legitimately underrated.

He could be a point guard. Maybe he don't want him to because, you know, he's a shooting guard, is undersized, whatever. But like, I think he could do that. I think he can step in that role playing next to like a big, like a Sanguna or whatever who can give extra passing from that position. I want to see him empowered to let that long term. The Cleveland Cavaliers have a multitude of options

Because if they really wanted to do that And like get Darius Garn out of there And in place have like Another secondary playmaker Say like they hit up the New Orleans Pelicans Hey, Randy Ingram You kind of want to slide them over here And I'll give you Darius Garn

That is cooking right there Hey the Spurs need a point guard That would be nice That's nasty It's weird I don't know It's hard to it's hard to think about right now I'm gonna be a little bit negative

I just a little bit I'm curious to see what it looks like moving forward just because we've seen the cabs be so good when it's DeMitch and Jared Allen and then we've seen them be so good whenever it's Mobley and Garland. And now putting all four back together for the second half of the year,

I wonder if it goes back to what it was. We see a little bit of regressions. And so now this team that has like made the leap, they're second in the east. Do we see them take just slightly a step back? That's the one question I have about them. But outside of that, Everything you guys said is true.

I think they do a good job with their lineups, too, where they have a lot of lineups who just two of those guys are out there in those pairing, as you mentioned. But like you said, you're going to want to close games with all your best players in the court. Exactly.

You got to figure out how to make it work. But like I said, if they're willing to bench one of those guys, depending on who's having the better night between the bigs, they have legit shooting options now that they can, in a playoff series, they can close the Evan will be on the bench.

It might hurt whoever's ego. He's supposed to be the next guy, whatever. But if the matchup calls for it, if they're playing, I don't know who in the East would necessitate that but you know their team that's the obviously the Celtics they're going to stretch them out yeah you can't have both base up there you need more firepower they can start another shooter like they have that option they're disposal now in a way they really didn't have last year yeah

yeah exactly they are in a fantastic position and just love to see it who's your biggest loser next one let's hate some more biggest loser what's up with you and hayton man listen i'm all here for the positivity too i'm man of dichotomy biggest loser um going back to the summer not an NBA team, not an NBA player, we're going to the NBA scouts. NBA scouts, okay. Yeah, specifically scouts who were scouting Brandon Miller and hoping and wanting for him to like fall behind to go to whoever porn trade versus or whatever it is. A lot of people were so down on Brandon Miller, not because like him as an individual

or whatever, but just the fact that like Scoot Henderson was that guy. A lot of people were sold onto him and he's still like great player. he's been cooking as of late especially but it's very clear that brandon miller has been the right decision um so far this season he's put up like 16 17 a game but really efficient as of late and he's been playing really hard and he's like the i guess two now like brightest spots of this team other one being train man because he's really good player and as a shot of hornets fan it has to be discouraging seeing your team just get destroyed And another night, bro.

One of my losers is Charlotte Hornet fans. Wow. The fans specifically, because this team is never getting out of a rebuild. They drafted a lamello ball four years ago now. He made an all-star game two years ago. They thought they were up. They were the seventh seed that year. And then they got worse for two years in a row.

They're not going to make the play in tournament. With additional years of developing and drafting different people, they are worse than where they started with this core. Like you said, Brandon Miller is a good bright spot. He's the only bright spot. Lamello's always hurt. He's become a long-term issue. issue. Mark Williams is good. We'll see how the kind of ceiling he has the big man.

Terry Rozier's gone. Gordon Hayward's gone. P.J. Washington gone. Miles Burges is still there for now. But nothing's going well for them. I I'm worried about what they do if they have another year like this. You know who's plan they need to follow? They need to follow the Chicago Bulls plan. Okay. Because I don't think anybody should continue for a team is down bad as the Charlotte Hornets, right? Who are all I think it would be better. to be a Chicago Bulls fan and at least see some wins every now and, you know.

Are you okay? To lose as long as the Hornets have. It takes a toll. And I think that like for a team that clearly is not great at drafting and developing, maybe going out on a limb and overpaying some guys to bring in some actual talent

rather than saying, okay, well maybe in two or three years this guy can turn into this. Maybe they need a jump, start until you go out and you you bring somebody in you outsource the talent instead of i would say they should follow the rockets plan not the bulls i think nobody should follow the bulls plan it's a provenly shitty plan the rockets plan get a friend vandleet get a dylan brooks i can see that vision here's the well listen here's the here's the problem here's the problem with with the bulls plan and while we're on the topic of losers bulls fans were okay same yeah they were you all

with Bulls fans? Yes, I don't think that the plan initially was bad. I think what's made it terrible is the fact that they have refused to move off of it when it's clear that it's not going to work, right? But for, you know, 36 games, they were the one seed in the east and things were working and they brought in all these guys and it seemed to click and then, you know, injuries happen, things were never able to be put back together. But if you're the Hornets, maybe that is a path. And so the only difference that is, the only difference that they need to have is if you see your star point guard

and his need just, you know, disintegrates, you need to be able to move off of that core and start over again and realize he's never going to come back and be the same point guard that you think is going to happen. Are you worried about Lamella's injuries? Like, is it again a point where like maybe this is like a Zion Williams situation, but it's obviously different from Zion because that's different issues, but you know, every year it's a health thing. It seems like it might be chronic ankle issue because this is the third year in a row where lamello's dealing with stuff like it's tough it has to be concerning if i'm a charred hornets fan every single year you look up and you're like oh man we're going to get right this year of course a lot of those pieces are no longer here

but even when those pieces were there that they had terrosy year p j washington hayward and all that stuff never worked out why lamello ball can't stay on the court healthy yeah and now that just sets your organization back continuously and you're in a mindset to where you don't know what to do because have and if you don't know what you have how can you make moves you're cap locked you're in handcuffs and you just have to consistently be in the state of just when to see how Labella ball performs when he's healthy when he's been healthy was hoping improved across the field on the court and so at this point in time you just have to sit down and just collect continue to collect these young players and let them develop and just hope and pray that LaMello remains healthy.

Yeah, beginning of this year, I said that I think Lamello Bar is a Lamello Ball is like a superstar in hiding. Like, just like waiting for the opportunity to break out and like people are forgetting about him. At a certain point, I don't know how long I'm going to wait for that breakout to happen if he's just always hurt. Like you're losing valuable development time. He's incredibly skilled, incredible instincts as a passer and a score. You need more development time in a winning system for that stuff to come together. And then, you know, cohesive way that helps a winning team. If that's not going to happen for him before he's 28, then I think we're in trouble.

I agree. They are cooked. There's a lot of fan bases out there that are, like, down horrendously. The Hornets are one, but they do have one of the best announcers in the league. Oh, my God. So at least watching the losses are kind of fun. Yeah, well, shout out. What's his name?

I forget. Eric Collins. There you go. Shout to Eric Collins. That man can scream with the best of them. I respect it. I could watch that man talk about how grass is growing and I'll have the time of my life. Yeah, the vocal power, sheer adrenaline will get you.

Absolutely. I guess we already mentioned the Bulls. I guess why not touch on them a little bit. Do we need to go in on them more? If we were done enough. I don't. Listen, if you're a Bulls fan, you know why you're down bad. Your team is the epitome mid.

You're going nowhere fast. Your team wants to go nowhere fast because they like being nowhere fast. It's enjoyable to them. It makes them a lot of money. And that's just their prerogative for the time being. It's not going to change anytime soon. And really no silver lining. If you're a hoarse, silver lining is Brandon Miller.

You don't got shit if you're the Bulls fan. If you're a Bulls fan, I need to check in. Great. Awesome. You might get a most improved player award. I hope that makes your just, illness as a fan feel better yeah that's tough are we getting back to to winners i guess so let me pull out some positivity real quick i'm gonna go with i only have one left we've hit most of mine

my last one is alperin sangoon just the guy wow okay i talked about lamella ball being a superstar in hiding that was like theoretical like if he says healthy the team gets better i can see him developing into a star last year sangoon was playing like a star he was just given 20 minutes a night at most because his coach looked at across the roster saw bruno fernando and was like you're better than this guy and singoon was buried in the depth chart stephen silas just refused to imagine a world where you could win with a center like singoon and just said i don't even want to try that shit no thank you he played everybody he could bruno fernando started games over singoon very limited minutes and like every raucous fan you're running to will tell you singoon is our best player

i'm praying we play through him at some point in my lifetime so i could see this come to fruition I'm Aydoka came in, has eyes, and agreed. And immediately made Sengun the centerpiece. They're playing through him. Fred Van Vli is a competent point guard. Dylan Brooks is a competent wing defender. Jabari Smith's playing a lot better. Which is all the pieces you'd want alongside a center like that.

And he is thriving. If the all-star bosses were bigger, he was playing at an all-star caliber level this year, 21 points per game, five assists, nine rebounds. Legitimately, as incredible as we could have hoped he could be. And he's got to be a winner simply by the fact that he got the chance to prove this to people and wasn't just buried on the bench. Absolutely. I can't agree with you more.

Someone like Alfred Sengoon, seeing how he's developed so quick in a organization that I had absolutely no idea what the fuck was going on, still banking on something like jailing green to eventually blossom into like, I don't know, under the shadows of like, can he be like in the same caliber of Anthony Edwards

or Donovan Mitchell, one of the top explosive shooting guards in the NBA? No, but you do have Alpherson Goon and this is like the best possible scenario for them. Yeah, like they aren't probably going to be in the playoffs or maybe even the play in. Yeah, who cares though? This is like a right step in the right direction.

Yeah. You can't be mad if you. And the man Thompson is coming. That man is going to be, he's already one the best athletes. Okay. Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, that was kind of crazy. He's coming and he's going to come hard in the next few years when he's an all-star

because he's going to be one of the most athletic guards in the league, going to be a legitimately elite defender, legitimately unstoppable getting to the rim. The passing chops are there. when he gets to his point of his career where he's developed him to that, him and Sanguun are going to be incredible together. Damn, man.

No, every time that there's like a white passing big, they just like, oh, that's babyo Kins. That's baby, okay. And, I mean, it kind of works out, though, because, like, they use him as, as the hub. And I think it's, I think it's interesting what they're doing in Houston because they have so many young players. Yeah.

And so to see Sanguon be the guy that's, like, clearly like above the rest of the pack like they should build everything around them through stung yeah like no i i i agree with you i think that he probably was either like my first or second cut on the all-star list and so now he's hooping yeah the big yoke's things like stylistically make sense difference is obviously he's smaller and yokic's his defense was very exaggerated he's a pretty solid defender singun's kind of iffy but they have had a really strong defense despite that so maybe it's fine when you have a Jabari Smith, Dylan Brooks, and whoever else there. But the whole big thing is his three-point shot has to come along.

I think if you're going to be defensively deficient center, like a Sangoon, like a Sabonis, you got to be able to stretch the floor and really give you like the full package offensively. And right now he's shooting 29% from 3. That has to come up to like 36% at least or whatever for them, him to like really anchor a top team. Thanks. I agree. You know, I like being positive. Let's stay positive.

All right. My next winner is a former Houston Rocket, James Hart. That man was abused, used and confused, abused out of like... Who used them? Darry, lied to him, bro. Confused by who? Derramori, lied to him. Used out of his financial resources.

Gave up millions of dollars for the sake of making your team better and signing guys like PJ Tucker. He was put through the blender. Bender so much that he went on probably something that you did dream of. He wanted a world tour of Haiti. Was China during camps to all his little fans over there. Darry is a liar Do you know how much

you have to hate somebody to go ahead and do that? That's tough. That's deep down. He was in clubs in Houston had the bottle girls with a sign

Sandoramary is a liar. That is crazy. And for him to come back this season and before the before he really was hooping with the clippers, he was like,

I am the system. Everybody laughed at his ass. Everybody just isn't wasn't the brightest of Dan's like for a good reason to. They lost six straight to start the,

the era like it's how many one after that's true huh i don't know a lot yeah it's fine a lot and he has been the big part of the los angeles clippers and their success now of course like pg's doing a thing kawai is playing at a lot of people they get an MVP type level and all that doesn't happen if james hardin doesn't take a step back realize that he needs to organize the office a little bit more be more open to catch and shoot threes not not having to demand the ball as much and also playing a little bit harder on defense. He's committed, and this is one of the best versions of James Hardin post his prime era that we've seen.

Yeah. I'm glad you said James Hardin because he was on my list, but I didn't have it under James Harden. Like, I think that the big winner is like temper tantrums. Okay. Because for all the things that- Emotional intelligence, I'm a fan. For all the things that you said, James Hardin went on, you know, on this whole tour

and doing all, and this is the third straight spot that he's been at that he has intentionally blown up the spot like the nets are we going to put that on james hardin shoulders or the other jordan stopped playing basketball like he quit on the team while he was on the floor i'm giving him i'm giving him philly i'm giving him houston all those all those things like and he got exactly what he wanted um but if you're going to do that on the other side you have to ball out and he did that so yeah i i agree with you he is one of my i just i can't get the visual out of my head of him going to china and seeing a gym full of 12-year-old Chinese boys. He'd be like, hey, oh, fuck, Darry.

Yeah. Like, why is that the audience where you got to get that off? He made sure to say it, not once, twice, but three times. Mates your folks, camera was pointing. He was like, yo, get this angle. Derrimori is a liar. Post that shit right now. Like, he's like, this is the room and you get this off.

Make sure you're recording this. Yeah. No, he's a crazy man. He's a crazy guy. But it's working. So, tamper tantrums win, like you said. Teams incredible. It's all the reasons that we can have to hate on

old James Hardin now at this point of his career matters significantly less when you're with the talent he's with. So many safeguards for the inevitable James Hardin collapse in the playoffs, he'll have a game where he'll go six or 17. I'm sure it'll happen. But I'm also sure Kauai Leonard will not go six or 17. And it will be

of minimal importance when James Hardin shoots poorly because PG and Kauai are there and James Hardin's still going to do all the passing that worked super well. That passing was less effective in the past when the scoring wasn't there because of the ISO heavy ball where if James Hardin's shots weren't going in, everybody else is just looking at the rebounds, so much of the ball went through his hands. Not the case here.

Not many possessions live and die by James Hardin. So it's just so much less pressure on him, which is exactly what he needs at this point of his career. Even in Philly, there was less pressure because you're playing with an MVP. But every big man needs a point guard to set him up. We're seeing Joanne LeBeat thrive this year. And big part, because Maxie's been great, right? Like you need somebody to take pressure off of you. So while the scoring load wasn't entirely on James Harden's shoulders, still a huge role where he needs to play well or the team falls apart. not the case one bit of this team exactly exactly man shards of the clippers yeah good for that good for that all right you pain you to say that

I can tell it really does I just say you it's okay I don't like them I'm not a fan of the clippin oh it's okay all right my next winner Tyrese Halliburton okay I think Tyrese Halliburton has easily cemented himself as a top four point guard like as top five at the absolute worst yeah he has last last year was good and the pacer's were on pace to make the playoffs and then he got hurt and everything started to fall off. This year, they have the long run in the in season tournament, right? He leads the league in fan votes for All-Star. He has burst out onto the scene as one of the elite point guards in the NBA. And I think that this year in general is just

a big coming up party for him. And everybody like realizes that Tyree Taliborne is amazing. He's fantastic. And so, yeah, I'm just giving him his life. He's a big winner this year. I agree. And know what the team agrees too, because they see him and they see him make the star leap and know they need build around him and they reward him with one fresh Pascal Seaccom. Which is huge. I see there's a Pascal Seaccom jersey in the front here. Already got the Pacer's fans, already have behind them.

He's, we'll see how high you can take them. But when you're looking at a team that's built around Tyrese and then a bunch of role players who play Tyrese ball, but, you know, don't necessarily elevate you. We'll see what the young players can develop into. You insert a Pascal Seacom into there. Maybe it doesn't immediately make them a contender. But it sure, it helps.

and it surely puts you in a better position to find the next piece, find you whoever your OGNobie is in the future for the Knick Scott. It's just one step closer, and even if they're not going to be like a top tier team, it gives you a puncher chance. If you have a Tyrese and a Seacom in a playoff series, when you have the offensive engine and a go-to big forward that can create his own shot, play solid defense,

create for others and relieve the pressure off of Tyrese because he's going to get bliss to hell in the playoff series. He's going to go, with the Lakers put him through the in season tournament, he folded under that pressure, which really he doesn't shoot well at game. We'll see what happens in a long seven-game series. but he's going to have to learn to play through that type of coverage in the playoff series

when people are going to sell out and say Benedict Matherin, Nemhard, so-and-so, you better make some threes or also I'm going to keep doubling this guy. That's a lot easier to deal with when you have Pascal Seyakum sending you the screen, you can hit him on the short role. It makes his life a million times easier.

Yeah, because it makes the offense more complex when you have someone who has a skill set like Pascal Seyakram. What makes this trade or that trade even more beautiful is that they have a lot of shit cooking still. Benedict Mathrim, we still really don't know what he is, but this feeling is high in regards

of the way you feel about him. Jarrett Walker could be something special. They didn't give him up, and they still have plethora of picks as well. So they have done an immaculate job just taking care of their guy. They see something special. They're not sitting on their hands. And they're doing right by him, and he's doing

right by them by just playing at such a level. None of us for kids coming at all. Yeah. Nah, Tyrese has been great. Do you guys think, so I guess like for top three, the conversation would be him or Shea at top three. If you have, I mean, Shay, come on. I'm just, I'm just asking, I'm just asking. How close do you think it is then?

I mean, not that close. She's an MVP candidate right now. So it's like, there's a gap. But in a couple of years, like maybe next year, two years from now, could he be, could he close it? Maybe. Not really sure, though. Let's get half this equation straight. Shea's an elite point guard defender. Fantastic. Tyree's Halliburton is a fucking cone. I love Tyre's. is Halliburton, one of my favorite point guards in the league, he has to, it's probably a big part of his effort and being in a team construction that prioritizes defense. Carlisle was tried to be like, we cannot win this way y'all, you all got to try harder. And I think that's gotten a little bit better as a course of season's gone on.

Early in the year, it was like awful. He has to develop to the point where he can be at least a passable defender to be in that conversation and break the top three. Because someone like Shea, like give and take, Paris is a way better passer. Maybe you think that is more important than the scoring boost that Shea has. The defense is a huge difference is why Tyrese is like. the next tier of players with, like, John Moran and whoever else. There's nothing wrong with that, too.

That's fair. Yeah, Tyrese has already, you don't know. Yeah, Tyrese has already surpassed expectations and, oh, yeah, being the fourth best point guard is, like, the best quite possible solution or outcome for his career. Yeah. I have one more loser before he move on. My last one, Trey Young. Damn.

It's not his fault, but his stock, all-time low. This man is in trade rumors now. Kendrick Perkins went on TV and was like, I'm not. going to say the name, but there's a superstar coming to the Lakers this offseason, blah, blah. And the same day it was reported that the Hawks are going to seriously consider trade and trade on the summer. Clearly what Kendrick Perkins is alluding to. Another report from the athletic came out that day, said the Spurs and make a big run at him, so-and-so. His stock is at an all-time low because the Hawks have completely failed him on all accounts. They paired him

with another point guard, nonsensical from the jump, hasn't worked. They drafted two wings to play next to him, Cambray, Andrea Hunter, neither one of which are the elite defenders that they wanted them to be pairing next to him, one of which is on another team now, the Lakers, obviously. O'Neika Kangwu and Klanke Pella are good bigs, haven't been the answer for the rim defense that's been in the bottom five for the past two years. Jalen Johnson's a godsend, but outside of that, every single move they've made next to Tray Young to try to build a contender around him has been a failure to the point where people think that Troy Young's incapable of playing winning basketball because his team has done such a bad

job trying to put him in a position to play winning basketball. Yeah, exactly. I agree with you. Let's flip your statement. stock is not an all-time though the hawk stock well there's like doesn't exist they took that off the NASDAQ that it's not a thing you're not a thing you can't buy it anymore yeah exactly but Troy Young as a whole if he's in trade rumors then we all know like that's because we're cooked and he's the most valuable asset if that wasn't happened well do I believe that I don't know do I have to know because I'm gonna lie to so I'm just gonna be like liar but regards of the fact um regards of the facts if a

situation, the scenario was to happen, then, yeah, I guess it makes the most sense. If I'm Trey, I'm sitting here like, damn, I'm like 25, turn to 26 soon, just had two kids, just got married, you know what I'm saying? I'm supposed to be an all-N-B-A player. It's supposed to be an all-darty. That's the Saturdaysity. It's slow. Yeah.

It's slow. It's tough. And if I'm someone like Trey, I'm, I would feel some type of frustration because I sit here and I see all my peers. Oh, my God, Shea, who I was just, I was in the same draft classes in back in 2018. He's going to the potentially Western Conference or whatever finals. Tyrese Halliburn, bro, he's cooking right now in the Eastern Conference. All these other guards, Luca, guys like that, they're cooking.

And I don't want to like make it seem like the Hawks have done nothing because they did have a good run, I guess, in 2021. But that doesn't matter anymore. It's all about what have you done for me lately. And at this point, there's just been a whole lot of nothing. man trash we've talked about them at length we don't got to go much too into it are you guys ready for some nonsense

yeah let's do it yeah let's go I'm ready I think it's time I think it's time for all the crayon eaters to go ahead and enjoy because we're gonna talk

about some nonsense yeah man this is the part of the show after we finish the main bulk of it we get into the more game of fight stuff oh I see a box of crayons right there oh my god somebody bought us crayons that's amazing we love it

we got a real crayon eater you know it's great the last second this event had to get changed to 21 plus because of music communication so we have an adult crown eater in the room and I love that I love that can you pass me one please yeah I love it just throw me one bro I need it throw me good run I need it give me good luck for this goddamn draft we're smoking on a crayola ring absolutely bro this is great yeah doesn't matter good throw god damn right to his hand yeah good though we got an arm right bite it all right Carson Palmer

y'all are cooked i got the good luck in my hands this is my sage put behind your ear like Shannon sharp in the hat between the hat yeah man as always we're going to begin this part of the podcast with the draft and today I think we keep the spirit of

all-star weekend media no we're here doing a podcast we're going to draft NBA lineups with only NBA players who have a podcast they're sprouting out of the woodworks everywhere like I said we got the analysis we got the traeong pa was on before us everybody's doing it it's awesome it's great content we hear you know mb players

their experience let's draft them into lineups all right the draft order will be donovan me mo trash i'm always last you guys and you guys yeah yeah yeah your last go ahead three weeks it's in fair order this all time right yes all time yeah all right so real simple let's draft mba lineups with only NBA players who have a podcast all right first pick i i want one more point guard Give me Trey Young. Oh, let's go, you sold. Give me Shaquille O'Neill with the second pick. I forgot he I won.

I forgot he I won. Yep. Wow. Sold off the top. Trey Young over in Shaq. Shame. Oh, my God. Okay.

Well, that's tough. See, that's so tough. That's tough. All right. Okay. Well, go ahead and give me one of the greatest podcasting bald men ever, Richard Jefferson. When it comes to quality content, none of you guys are touching me right now. That's all I got to say.

Fair enough. That's where you're going. And so. you're the best podcaster so far absolutely and so let me go ahead double up give me kevin garnett let's be real serious i was trying let's be real serious i got so close to both you selling i got it on the court if you want to have a conversation about basketball dating life or whatever it is i got you too is paul pierce a combo dealing that is he come with it nah he'd be he be whaling he be whine safety precautions it's a family for the starting five

yeah exactly exactly i'm gonna go with another person you probably don't know as a podcast give me dwayne wade oh that is a new podcast he's an heart radio podcast listen i got the 2006 duo i'm cooking okay it's still you i'm second pick it's you now it's you now i forgot how a snake works how we're first pick oh we did go like this my bad my bad my bad okay uh all right so at my two let's i have no idea what i have no idea what we're cooked i i really am cooked i sold give me give me j j reddick At the two Nice

Another cell I appreciate Keep going And then Let's see At my three At my three At

You know I know I'm trying I'm trying to decide We'll get all-time talent Give me Charles Barkley at the four You cheater

He's somebody shouted out to him You were so No I was thinking I was thinking I was thinking He should be redact You're on team Donovan Shout out you

I appreciate you Damn You know what give me draymond green oh my goodness listen how do i not pick them oh my goodness you got protection you got security you got good jokes you got a great basketball player i got the whole nine hang on jack we're banging down low that's true all right damn okay so you went ahead and took jj all right so am i oh my god am i in the hood right now or what got calamity going outside all right PTSD my bad all right rats carry on the floor facts

All right. So at my point guard, go ahead. Actually, I'm put a member two. At my two, give me Agent Zero. I'm going to have immaculate conversations with you, but I'm going to give you personal life. Talk about you, about your finances, talk about your dating life again. I'll go ahead and show you how to act in the locker room. And I'm going to give you 20 points as well.

I got the whole nine. You guys can't hold me. Okay. All right. Who's your next pick? Next pick? Give me Jeff Green. Oh, I'm not, not Jeff Green.

Jeff Teague. There we go. I need all the jokes in the world. I needed that. My turn. Calm down. No. I need space.

Give me the point guard who's shooting 42% from three this year on 10 attempts. Jamlin Brunson. Fresh into the podcast game. Pair him to Dwayd, I'm here.

Who has a better personality? I'm posting you up every play. You could post me up all you want. Whoever I'm talking about off the game. That game only lasts 48 minutes. You have a whole other 23 hours of life to live. I'm winning that.

Oh, there you go. All right. at my three give me paul george i forgot about paul george oh shit no way to say pa george yeah redemption okay yeah okay give me pa george at the three and then at the five we're just gonna go just crazy spacing give me rich not rich jiffson give me chaining fry oh you are good give me channing fry listen we're just putting up i said whoever offense on jeff teague whoever offense on channing fry we're changing it up shack dropped me 80 points a game that's crazy right to round it out any more spacing at my three give me paul

Pierce. Okay. Nice. That's solid. I was actually thinking of circling back and picking them, but I was like, eh, I kind of care about the kids who watch me play basketball and also the influences that I have. But I understand you're not that type of guy. I am. All right. So to round this out, so far I got Jeff Teague, Agent Zero, RJ, Jefferson, and then KG at my five. So I need a four. And I think I can't do no wrong with selecting one of the pioneers of podcasting, player podcasting, Matt Barnes. Solid, bro. I'm gonna piss you up.

I got nice hair. I can tell you about all my tough Kobe stories. Ain't nothing you can do about it, man. I think I won this draft. You drove 90 miles like Matt Barnes. Exactly. What player on your team's doing that? Nobody.

Listen, I got Dramong Green. I would relax watch you. You might drive 180 miles. So I have Jalen Brunson, Dwayne Wade, Paul Pierce, Dramon Green, Shaquille O'Neal. Nah, that's great.

Nobody came to play today. We did it. I'm playing, but I'm playing an entirely different game. He's playing basketball. I'm playing the game of life. That is the difference right now. No, my, okay, go ahead. I got Jeff Teague, Agent Zero, Richard Jefferson, Matt Barnes, and Kevin Garnett.

That was a masterclass of shit. No one cares. I'm winning life, buddy. All right, I've, I've Trey Young, JJ Reddick, Paul, Paul George, Charles Barkley, Channing Fry. Okay. Yeah, listen. When you say it back, it's not as bad as, like, in the most. moment. It's actually a little bit better.

Again, I'm proud of myself because I did save it. Yeah, you had some redemption there. It could have been worse. It could have been much worse. Could have been worse. You might have picked Josh Hart for Paul George or something. We would have been like, oh my God. But decent team. Okay. He kind of wanted to. Yeah. That's the drive. I did. As usual, you guys decide who wins. I don't know this one's a competition, but we'll continue the next segment. It's just same meets or whatever.

Next thing we're going to do another, you know, like a TD3 staple, we're going to guess some NBA baby pictures. Ooh. We. The people were here live, we got to pull. up on the screen to your guys' left. I'm going to show you some NBA baby pictures and you got to tell me who the player is. This is most bad. This is my bag. I don't know why, but I just can identify faces. Yeah, you're just fantastic at this. Yes. Guess the NBA player by the baby pictures. First up we got, who is this kid. Oh, come on. This is easy. This is Mr. Converse, man. This is Devin Booker. Yeah. This is who. Kylie Jenner's X. Yeah, this is the only only Devin Booker, bro. Love it. It's had to start with somebody easy. It was Gerber baby.

yeah this is him we had the same haircut his entire life damn near yeah he looks the same bro exactly he was born into the world just smiling biting his lip touching a lot of chin well okay easy one first next up who is this kid

do you got it is that the no you got it you got to get no go ahead shoot your shot don't be sorry I have no I got it I got it just go this is one of the greatest point guards of all time. Yeah, I hesitate a little bit.

Was it seven or so? His name is Emmanuel Christopher Paul. I can tell about that nose and in my eyes. You said it in the wrong order. His name is not Emmanuel. It is Christopher and Mr. First. But yes, this is Christopher and Andrew Paul. We got it.

His nose is being the same. Good post. Good job. Apparently, I'm giving you all easy ones to jump. So I hope these can get harder as we go. Well, I'm lobbing all of them to you. I suck it, baby. I want to see you be great.

I want to see you be bad, so go ahead and try. Not today. Next up, who is this kid? What? He got no teeth. His parents in him so dirty about posting this on the internet. A lot of that. All right.

I don't know if this is white or light skin. Clear his day, it's a biracial baby probably. True. He looks like a big guard. I'm not going to lie. Someone probably flamed out early into his NBA career, but did have a nice high, but really low, low. I'm leaning with Ben Simmons.

How did you know that one? I do this. What do you mean? I told you before the podcast. This man's a professional man-knower, Jesus Christ. God, I was never going to get that. You knew it when we were looking at eyes. I knew it before you even selected it, bro.

That's what it is. Professional man-knower, even from infancy. That's crazy. This man knows his faces. Wow. All right, well, you're three for three. Next one. Good job.

Who is this kid? Ugh. Damn. What is you? That's a mean mug. Oh, my goodness. Taking a back. Yeah.

This is a really old picture. Sheesh. He's an old school player. Old school player for sure. I ain't a line might be cooked with this one. I was talking about a little reason. You got it if it's 2015 or on. I pull it a 1980s player on you.

Here, you don't know what you do. You see, goes. Yeah, no, this is like in the... If this was recent, I would say Chris Middleton. Chris Middleton, though. He looks like a big man. Is he a big man? No, he's a very small man.

Well, he's big in some ways. Whoa, okay. I'm just going to act like I didn't hear that, all right? Anyways. All right. who's an old school what was that yeah that wasn't chris middleton i put the wrong name there

oh my bad my bad it's not chris middleton so i was right thank god thank god okay i mess up there keep going i want to say could this be could this be i don't know mark jackson i have no idea who this is y'all are cooked this is kyle lowry oh what a glow up i put the wrong picture my bad but this is kyle lorry

what a glow up yeah this is i got you with the potato quality picture this one's hard If I was Kyle Larry, I'll find your address and fight to because this looks like it was from the MLK era, bro. Like, this is outrageous. Kyle Larry's a civil rights, baby. This looks like it, bro. He was marching. What am I supposed to think?

That's crazy. That's hilarious. All right, next one. Who is this kid? This is a cool kid, man. This kid looks familiar. He looks familiar as hell. Was he on Miami Heat before?

Am I allowed to give you hints? Yes. Do it, man. Answer that question. All right. Yes, he's been in the Miami Heat at one point. I got this. This is Alonzo morning.

Incorrect. Damn. It's mad that he knows everything. He was, oh, who could this be there? Bozo alert. What? The fact that you guessed the team right and still got it wrong is hilarious. I know.

What are the odds you got a decently right and wrong guess? Is this Jimmy Butler? No. This is not Jimmy Butler. Is this Bam out of bio? This is Bam out of bio. What? Oh my God.

It's Bamato bio. Shout to BJ, man. That looks exactly like him. I was about to say BJ. Coker man but no it's not him I never noticed that yeah oh my gosh not a comparison I'm allowed to make but you said it next up we got who is this kid

let's see they got a bull's hat I don't know if that tells me anything you tell me brother I don't know these children I have no idea who these kids are you're gonna not know something I guess not knowing children's a good thing to not know what are you trying to say about me keep guessing damn yeah now I'm on he's stumped. He looks like a guard

though. Why? He was like two. Everybody looks at size on there too. Can I just throw out some hints, man? You can just like feed into me a little bit? Yeah, we need some hints. Was he a guard or like a forward? Yes, he was a guard. Okay. This is a hard one. This is a regular kid. Yeah, this is hard.

Is this Rondo? Nah. Good guess, but it's not Rondo. Not Rondo. Not Rondo. I don't know why I said it's a good guess. It's just a guess. It's just a guess. Ah, this is not Rondo. Could this be? I don't know. you could be nasty and i could say like tony rodent like who is this this is cambo walker this kemba that's kemba yeah it doesn't look like him in the slightest that's crazy i mean

i kind of see it now but wow i don't see it but that's kembo all right uh next one need some deep cuts who is this kid that boy looked like me what the fuck oh man okay it does yeah for real this is a big kid though this is a big kid though This one, looking at the eyes, you can see this one. This one is accurate. Could this be like Jemir Nelson? That is the worst guys I've ever heard you make. Look, man.

I'm going through the back, like, light-skinnedish babies or brown-skinned babies. This is Bobby Fortis? Nah. The second worst guess they're ever. No, no, Bobby. The eyes are kind of crazy. I don't know how to. Those are some soft eyes.

Yeah. They're just big. Like, where did you find these pictures at, man? I've never seen this. I'm not going on. This one is not hard. You'll give up. Yes, I give up.

Yeah, I give up. This is Donovan Mitchell. Oh. I would have never got that. Look at that grin. You don't see it. No. Yeah, I see you with the nose. For sure, I see it.

I see it. I think it's because, like. He got that discoloration on the pictures. Exactly. It's distorted as hell. I need digital pictures. Now, listen, we're back in the physical media days. Damn.

That was a great one. All right. Next player. Good job. Who is this kid? Oh. Why does it look like a mug shop? If this is not Kareem, I'm going to be upset.

Get ready to be upset. I'm lying. There we go. I knew it. I knew it. Finally. I need one. You got it.

Good shit. Yeah. It's a picture of him on like a high school basketball team or it might be middle school because all the kids are just like five, two white kids. Then you see Karim me like six three days.

That is hilarious. That is hilarious, bro. All right. Next player. Who is this kid? Could this be Kyle Guy? I don't know, bro. Kyle, Kyle.

What a pool. Wow. Yeah. Jimmer for that? Is Jason Williams? That's a good guess, but it's not Jason Williams. could this could this be I don't know Kevin Herder could be it's not damn who is

this kid we have to we have to go down the roll of the decks of white people we know all right it's limited so it should be easy Gordon Heybert incorrect damn give me another name I don't know the way Sam Merrill incorrect damn you know you know you know the white too I'm with Walker Kessor no damn are they current they are Kelly Olinick it's just like the most famous white man in the NBA and I'm ashamed you get so many names it's Luca Donchich Oh, damn. You were just Sam Meryl before he went to Luca Dantzich?

Yeah, we just talked about him. Kyle Guy? Fresh on the top of the head. Damn. That's tough. I thought this would be a layup. Yeah, I should have been on a cold streak. I ain't going to lie.

Maybe I'm not here. Yeah, you fell off. I'm getting kind of nervous. The lights. Turn off the lights. Turn off the lights. Turn off the lights. You're too right.

I got one more. Who is this last baby? I got to get this one. Oh, I guess this is the last one. Oh, no, there it is. Who is his baby? This is tough. I'm sad.

This is an old school baby, for sure, though. This player doesn't play anymore, right? He does play. He does play. Damn. I need help. I need help. Does anybody have an idea?

Maybe want to throw an aim out there in the crowd? Yeah. Just knock out of course one. Not Jalen Brunson either. Not Brogden either. That's a great guess. That is a very good guess, actually. Damn, fuck knows.

Oh, nah. Could it be Grant Williams? That's a better guess You're getting hot Keep along that visual Of players That look kind of like Grand Williams

Players who look like No, I'm about To say Oh bad Your hints trick people Yeah You're right I don't want to

I don't want to put you On the wrong path Definitely not Zach Levine Okay Damn I'm good This is Janis Antenacoupo

What does Grant Williams Do with Janus I said everyone I miss quote I'm like my bad He's going against us Why that's tough Quickly corrected myself.

Yeah. Yeah, I would have never guessed that. I should have, but it's just too hard with this. Yeah, listen. All right. Some of them were easy. Some of them were not. We live to guess another day.

I'm awful at this game. I think we did. The last, like, what, like two or three times we've done this. I don't think I've gotten more than two. Yeah, you've been looking like Ben Simmons in a three-point shootout out here. It's awful. That's why I'm here, bro. Anyway, that's the end of that segment.

Thank you. T.3 staple. We do it every now and then. Next thing we do is also a T. T.3 staple. We're going to grade some NBA journey. jerseys let's go but this time we got a twist on it like I said we're here for all-star weekend you're all they're here probably going to see some all-star festivities we are

going to grade some NBA all-star jerseys over the years because I'm not going to lie I know you were particularly opinioned on them as of late especially have been fucking awful oh wait let's talk about it yeah let's talk about it let's talk about it so again I'm gonna show you from over the years some throwbacks some recent ones a nice little mixture of mid to good and well I said mid to good some ass to good a nice variety of quality. Real simple. Let's grade these NBA All-Star jerseys. First off, this year's Navy Blue ones. This is hard. This is hard. I'm putting this like a, I'm putting this like a, I don't know if it's S. If it's S, that's only, oh, you're right. We're grading. Yeah, okay. Yeah. This is a,

I'm going easy A. Anytime you replace white with cream in a jersey with some dark, some like warm colors, it's hard. I would wear this. Yeah. And the red ones as well, hard. Yeah, the red ones as well. Yeah. Yeah. Rare W from Nike who frequently misses. with All-Star jerseys. Hold on. You look like you disagree. Not a A. It's not an A.

It's not an A. It's a B-plus. I like the pinstripes. I like the color. Something about it just feels. I think a lot of these All-Sar jerseys kind of feel plain, but this one feels a little bit more plain.

So I'm going to give it a B-plus, though. It's close. It's close. Listen, when you add the Donovan Hater tax, a B-plus is basically an A-plus. So that's fine. Yeah, I guess so. Tax rate like California.

God damn. We're here. Saman thinks it's California. All right, next up. the 1996 ones from the spurs this is nice it's a lot going on they're cool

I think if you went if you went to a frat party these would be an a plus I thought it's gonna be a pool these go platinum at frat parties yeah but like on the regular probably

probably like a B plus it's probably good I feel you all are insane I think this is an A plus I think this is the greatest one of all time I thought I don't know about greatest one of all time of all time I think it's

I feel like it's easily number one this is hard as fuck the colors like this whole retro style aged perfectly to today's style I was like, I love this. It's just bright. You like it.

Correct. There's just a lot of, a little bit too much going on for me. There's like a heart. And in that heart, there's like, is that a heart? This is too much. This is too much. Can't even tell visual clutter? Yeah, exactly.

So I want to give this a B. It's not bad because I've seen so much worse. Is it a Six Flags jersey? Yes. Is it hard nonetheless? Also yes. You know what it sounds like? What?

This dude had one of these jerseys growing up. You cannot fool me. I know you to the bone. You have these probably hanging up somewhere in your wall. I grew up in Texas. I wasn't it wasn't far. It was adjacent. Gross, right. Was I born in 1996? No. Still there in spirit. He got one. I wish. All right. Next one. The ones from a couple years ago when they were in Utah. As. You know the rules. You know the rules. You know the rules. You know the rules. Grady equals an F. These suck. These are, these are awful. I think like

when we saw these, this is what people, this is what made people say, we need to go back to just letting them wear their regular jersey which to be fair is a horrible alternative but this is so bad people were like give me 12 different jerseys I don't care

this is in the upper pantheon a worst jerseys of all time I'm gonna go F you can't even read the all start because it's white and it like blends into the yellow it's too much I mean I get it like

shout out to Utah this is one of their alternate jerseys but at the same time no no shout out to you to you down no no circumstances do we need a shout out Utah

the Mormons are coming for you my boy F all right next one the what year is this throwback Michael Jordan and Kobe in the same all start dude I think I think it's 03

2003 the picture school the jersey itself kind of kind of basic yeah this is solid B let's go C plus it's just like quintessential NBA jersey right it's just regular I'll go B I'll go B I think B's a fair way to go

they didn't do anything too crazy very simple standard you can't go wrong with it it's not like oh my God hideous but at the same time it's on like oh my god one of the best jerseys of all time it's passable it's standard yeah all right real simple nice c b range too it's a it's a it's a it's a two k generated all-star jersey very true yeah it's just yeah like like you're buying a just like unbranded non-team jersey just NBA yeah i'm putting on for the league the adams silver team exactly if I like this

picture right here you you could finesse me to talk about a a but if I see like someone like germano wearing this yeah I'm gonna be like oh this picture is a yeah yeah nevertheless regular jersey yeah Next up, we have, what year is this next one? Oh, picture's not changing. We got a little freezing situation going on. Technical difficulties. Okay, next up, we have the indie-based ones from a couple years ago.

Again, ass. Woo! Trash. I don't think this is that bad. On TV, these look awesome. I'm not going to lie. I hated these whenever they came out. These are cool.

On person, it looks so much better. These are cool. These are fire. You're hating. You look disgusted. Are you guys saying, just kidding. Ha-ha, I'm waiting for that. I'm fucking.

serious and the blue ones too these are hard i'm gonna go be these are pa patrol type jerseys this is the type of jersey this looks like i was supposed to be a fucking onesie this is gross this was like one of my my little brother wore this when he was like four years old are you where is that random red stripe going bro like we get in indiana i guess nascar's a big so you don't respect it in d500 is dope but this is clearly not to you i don't want to see step Curry wearing these. I love Steve Curry wearing these. He looked awesome.

So, Steph Curry was breaking records in this jersey. Have some respect. Honestly, go to hell. This is an A. You're, you guys are, you're saying A. I'm going A. I'm going to. I just add, I got to balance out your hate.

I'm going A. I'm going to. Wow. I don't want to put this out of F. Oh, you're ridiculous. Jesus Christ. This is absolutely disgusting. Oh, we got to move on.

You're out of your mind. This is gross. You're done. You're crazy. I'm done with you guys. Put the mic down. You're disqualified. You're going to sit one out.

All right, next up, the Toronto jerseys. Standard but clean. Was this the Kobe's last All-Star game? Yeah. Fuck if I know. It was. I might have to give this an A too. I'm going to have to give this an A.

These are not bad at all. These are not bad, but they're not like elite. It's kind of odd to see Curry with like hella red jersey and like seeing that weird gap in between it. It's weird, but the jersey itself is cool. The uniform. The short suck, right? The shorts suck. Yeah, the shorts suck.

Right, but the jersey itself is fire. So if we're just rating those, I'm giving it an A. I'll give it a B. The shorts weigh down a little bit, but the jersey's cool. It's minimalism in a good way. Yeah, we're reading jerseys, so let's be consistent. This should be an A. But be real.

If Nike made this issue, you'd be like, F, they're so boring, bring back designs. No. Are you kidding me? No. We have some minimalism haters up here. No, I like minimalism. It's hard. They've gone too far.

Embrish tradition. Rejected modernity. Yeah. All right. I'll give it a good B. next up we got which one is this next was that the last one oh no okay we have the sleeve jerseys from new orleans

I don't these suck these suck sleeve jerseys are honestly you don't gotta say any words F cool yeah I guess I woke up on the wrong side of bed because this is kind of hard to me man oh my god we saw Kyrie Irving boon man hoop together for the first time

in these jerseys bro listen y'all don't see you vision with these jerseys no i see i see the vision but that goes out the window whenever you put sleeves on them that's why i have to lean your way i'll just give you a little bit pushback because the color scheme is not that bad if it was just regular jerse then this would like obviously be a b you ever played a beat you ever play that's it that's a very deep car i've never played yeah they have made up that's crazy that are like the san francisco dragons that's the type of shit

they're wearing damn so the combinations are absurd these are nerfer nothing jerseys i guess i need to happen with that game because i enjoy this shit i've seen me No, whatever. Whatever. You're wrong. These suck. It's an F. Anything with an F is automatic.

Anything with sleeves is automatic F. I would give this a D. Even the design of that big ass W, like it just doesn't look good. It's weird. We need to burn this era of NBA history. Destroy the tapes. Removed from the history books.

It never existed. No, I wish it didn't. I feel so much vitre all every time I see a sleeve jersey. Damn. I just have true hate in my heart. I feel the way he feels when he sees the clippers. So you just see it and just ruins your day immediately?

Like, oh, fuck. Probably by week. Damn. All right, I guess so. Next up we have. the ones from two years ago these are bad

these are the worst ones in NBA history I think these are bad oh my god who am I sitting with right now why are these good why do you think they're good they're creative they feel room space very well

that's not like cluttered at all everything's placed nice this is the antithesis of creativity just a fadass logo in the middle with some polka placement nobody's ever done and nobody ever will do again with some polka dots on the side

oh yeah you're right about the polka dots come on that's I'm not letting that sway me though you should they're bad it's not swaying it's a good reason no it's hard I think it's hard alright whatever

the only thing that car was in the wrong way is that big ass Jerry Westluck well that's like alright you get your vision shot you got CTE vision this is crazy I think this is a solid like C it's not trash right next up

we had the Phoenix ones that are purple oh now we're cooking over here you are purple here no this is hard look at the cats these are hard though these are hard no this is hard this is an easy i think these these might be the best ones in NBA history probably you're probably right yeah these are probably better in the

spurge ones yeah cactus i just love this pop art style it just aged so well i agree yeah like seeing that cactus in the middle along with like all-star it just it just feels so right and so smooth and i feel like i've seen this jersey just a little bit before it looks like a toronto raptor's jersey from the past all that stuff it's fire we should bring back having the city inspiration on the jerseys i agree that's what they try to do with the indiana one and the utahs and i fuck with it do you want her to put a race car on the on the jersey loki the stripes and the side would be kind of clean all right are we cooking i think are we doing so should nike hires us i think so are we perfect god you guys are terrible

we have this one with a diagonal text i have no words for this i'm gonna give it a see because loki it feels like it feels like it feels like this could be be made into an actual jersey. I feel like a team would actually try this design. Yeah, they did. This is a Clippers jersey. That's right. But I told you the Clippers Loki had some here back in the day. The only thing that can defeat your Clippers hate is your 2000s love

for nostalgia. No, this isn't bad. This is awful. Anything that resembles Clippers branding is automatic F, I hate this. I look at this and I just see Elton Brand immediately. I almost said Elton Davis. Yeah. I look at this. I see Chris Kamen, I don't know. If I see this jersey, by the way, put it on

on my body. Not my All-Star game. I might have to start breakdancing. That's what this gives. Those are the vibes that it gives me. Yeah, it's cool, but I think it's like a solid C. Yeah, I can see somebody putting this jersey on backwards and he's hitting a mean spin on their head.

Absolutely, bro. Breaking it down for sure. You're like Chris Brown and Stomp the Yard. All right, after here. For sure. We have, what's the next one we got up? I think I have a few more. in here. Or it's this the last one. It might be the last one. It appears it's the last one. It appears

it's the last one. We're going to do a bunch of those. I didn't even realize. Maybe if Kobe was in those, then I would have been like, ah, that likes a B, but I guess it's a player selection. You're looking at that picture of Ray Allen. Yeah, or Sways me. Not going to lie. Next thing we're going to do, Donovan, I think we asked Jason Tatum discourse to talk about. Let's do it. Listen, we're going to talk about, right? We're talking about stars getting traded. We're going to talk about packages that you guys would take or not take for Jason Tatum. So a nice game we like to call deal or no deal. Yeah.

All right. I'm trying. Yeah. I know. I'm trying not to mess up the hook in person. It's crazy. Yeah. We've been called Celtics haters recently because apparently we never give Jason Tatum is due.

So today we're going to talk about some trade packages around the guy and see how we gauge his value. Yeah. All right. Let's play deal, no deal. Jason Tatum edition. Okay. All right. Would you guys trade Jason Tatum for Jimmy Butler and Jaime Hawkes?

No. Give me Jason. Hell no. Keep in Jason Tatum. Jimmy Butler is old. He's great right now. Not sure how many more years that's going to be a thing.

I don't think Jaime has like a star ceiling. I'm picking Jason Tatum without any hesitation. Yeah, no. Picking Jaime Hawkes and Jimmy Butler over Jason Tatum. It's just straight up disgusting hate. I wouldn't do it even on my worst night, bro. I'm taking...

But Jimmy Butler has terrorized the Celtics. So why not get him on their team so they won't be terrorized anymore? Because you eliminate the problem. 35 years old is looming. Tough. Around the corner. I don't know how many more.

years Jimmy Buckets got when he's going to just will his way to the finals every year. Tough, yeah. Jason Tatum got a cool like 10 years of pure greatness ahead of him, bro. I'm Lena Tatum. Give me the power of youth. All right. And How many Hawkins is damn you're the same age as James Statenam.

Oh, that is true. Damn, that is true. I forgot about that. It was up there. All right. Would you trade Jason Tatum for Palo Bancaro and a first round pick? Ooh. Palo Bancaro's ceiling is one day he can be like a top 10 player.

Jason Taylor is that. He's that with some room to spare. Like he's pushing top five rather than top 10. I don't know why we would go for a player that is just like a person we hope can be a Jason Tatum one day. Now hold on, co-GM. What if we got offered like two or three more picks? What if I was able to swooned to him to that? Do we want to agree?

Man, fuck their picks. Give me Jason Taylor. It's Orlando. They're going to be good regardless. Yeah. I don't care about those picks. Yeah, we don't care. They're going to be good.

Those picks are going to suck. Yeah. I'm keeping Jason for sure. All right. Tell me if this package moves you. Deeran Fox, Kegan Murray, and a first round pick. You give me a lot. Do you think Keith Murray's going to be a star?

Hell not. He'd be a star in his role, but not a star in general. But he's a very valuable player. Do you think D.R. Fox is the top 10 player? No. We're keeping Jason Tatum for the third time in a row. We're rolling with the Celtics today. Inexplicably, I'm keeping Jason Tatum.

No deal. Yeah, but the first round pick is kind of interesting. And you fix the redundancy issues that the Celtics have had over the last few years. But with that being said... By making Jaylon Brown the guy? No, D'Nor Fox would be the guy. But with Deering Fox being a guy, does that really take you far? Could that take you as far as Jason Tatum could take you?

I don't necessarily think so because it's different levels of this shit. And I don't think Deer & Fox has that level. So I think you've been blocked. I'm dying to hate on Jason Tatum and you're not throwing me the lob. Listen, I didn't think you respected him this much, to be honest. I honestly thought you were going to give him up for one of these. But Jason Tatum for Shea Gilges Alexander. Straight up.

Now we are cooking. I'm taking this in a heartbeat. Straight up. You're taking a Shay? Heartbeat. Not even close. I think it's close. It's close.

It's definitely close. I don't know. Explain why you go, Shea. I'm going Shea because I've seen leaps in his game that I haven't seen just yet with Jason Taylor. And that could be a little bit of not Tatum's fault, but maybe he's in those one of, he's in one of those two good, too fast situations. But I'm more confident in Shea. I've seen his game develop and evolve. It's a little bit younger, really not that much.

But he dresses better, bro. He gave me brand deals. Go ahead. Or there it is. Listen, I was going to say Jason Tatum made the conference finals at 19. He made the finals at 25. He made the conference finals again at 26. Did Tatum have a skim's deal?

Fair enough. Hell no. You can't fight facts with facts. Give me shake with Alexander. We did it. All right. Jason Teatum is traded. We are accepting that deal.

One last trade package. Jason Tatum for Kevin Durant and one first round pick. Why would I want a player worse than Tatum? I don't know. You're going to be old Tatum? That's why you get the first one pick? The old Tatum that can't get to the rim? Now, we can't have, like...

That hasn't had a successful playoff run since you left the third side? We can't act like there's like a huge gap between those two guys. There's not, but one's 10 years younger. Yeah, there's not. And it depends on like... How many first-on picks would it take two attached to Kevin Durant before you trade Jason Tatum for? All of them? What?

All of them? Kevin Durant is 35. Jason Tatum is 28. Three first-off picks and Kevin Durant. I'm just like very much. Like not give a shit Four first round picks and Kevin Durant

You go Now those Celtics picks don't mean You need five first round picks in Kevin Durant I don't know I'm sure I guess that's fine

Are you gonna win a title with Kevin Durant and Jailam Brown is your star duo rather than Tatum and Brown Does that make that movie? What about Derek White He was almost an all star

Are you better if you get Kevin Rand a little bit But like how much better I'd rather keep Tatum on my team at that point in time because he doesn't Katie doesn't like

solve any issues that Jason Tatum currently has Yeah it's a marginal upgrade he's better I was joking. Kevin has a little bit better still, but not enough to offset the huge age difference. All right. Last one. Last one. Tatum for Anthony Edwards in the first round pick. Oh, I don't think I've seen the leap that, I haven't seen the Anthony Edwards leap just yet

that a lot of people thought was going to happen this year. So I might decline that because I know Tatum, he's going to be a top 10 pair in this league for like the next 10 years. And Anthony Edwards is not that just yet. Top 20 for sure. But top 10 is a whole. whole another conversation could it happen for sure but I could get swayed into it if you I can't believe you got me defending Tatum this much you're everybody wants to crown these young guards because we hope they can make a leap to beat Tatum's already Tatum like he's already the benchmark for a good young score I don't know why I'd get rid of him for a guy that's not like a Luca Donchich damn that's all I got for you you're basically is all I'm bleeding

green right now that's what it's telling me fucking yuck take you take those words back you're Mr. Boston over here oh my god Jesus Christ you can't wipe this Listen, like any people what they wanted, they wanted Tatum love, they got it. Okay. But I'm not by my own volition. That was good. I like those streets, though. We got one more video before we get out of here, before we finish it.

One more segment. We did a lot of videos over the past where we named NBA team's greatest players of all time. We've done their most talented players versus the greatest. We've done their best jerseys of all time, stuff like that. We're going to mix it up. We're going to talk about every NBA team's greatest scores of all time. Okay. Just scores.

So we got like eight teams here. We got to talk about who's their greatest score in franchise history. Okay. And some of these will be obvious, I think. Some will not be. There's going to be some strong debates. So real simple. Who is this NBA team's greatest score of all time?

First off, the Lakers. This is Kobe Bryant. And it's not a question. Is Shaq's not a question? And I knew you were going to go there. When we come to this conversation, I don't, listen, if you don't have the bag that Kobe Bryant has, don't talk to me about being the greatest score of all time. It's Kobe Bryant and we shouldn't have a conversation.

See, that's where you lose me in that conversation. I don't give a fuck about the bag. I think about, like, the bag obviously helps. It's nicer to look at. But think about, like, the longevity, how long he did it, how consistent he was able to do playing at a high level for 16, 17 years. So Kobe's scoring 36 in the season doesn't matter to you? No, of course it matters. I'm leaning Kobe.

I'm leaning Kobe, but. All right, so on the same side. You're on the same side, for sure. I guess I'll go stone to death if I go Shaq. So we're going, Kobe. Yeah, easy. You don't get stoned by me. I'll throw like a couple pebbles.

Pebbles are right now. Does he throw crowns at me? Yeah, for sure. All right, next up. The San Antonio Spurs. This is tough. We got a David Robinson, got George Gervin, throw it back, 30-point per game score. We got that one-year prime Kauai.

One year of prime Kauai. Before he said fuck this team. Tim Duncan should be in that conversation for sure. He shouldn't. No, he shouldn't. No. Really? He's great to score?

No. Oh, or George Gervin? No. Well, he should be mentioned, and he was just mentioned. He really should. He was mentioned to say, fuck, no. I think I might go George Gervin. No, David Robinson, love?

Nah. Why would you lean George Gervon? You tell me, David Robinson's fake 70 points to win the scoring title doesn't move you? Exactly. That's the exact reason why I'm going with George Gervon. Yeah. That's fair. George Gervors are in the best scores of all time, walking 30-point game.

One of the more underrated players all time that people don't think about. I'm cool with that. I'm fine with that, too. Let's lean with the Iceman. Okay. The Golden State Warriors. This is Steph Curry. Not Kevin Durant.

No Will Timberlin? Not the 100-point game? He was a warrior. First of all, you know how I feel about Will. Two, Seth Curry was better, is better,

and has always been better, and he's the better score than Kevin Durant. Damn. I'll take. A lot of people not going to like that, man. I don't care.

I mean, it's probably Willing to be real, but I won't be the one to take down Steph Curry if you want to give his own. Yeah,

no, I'm not leaning Will's at all. That was a joke. I'm definitely with Steph Curry. The gravity is insane. Quite literally changed the game of basketball. There's only been like a handful of those guys,

four or five of those guys, four or five of those guys and curry is one of those guys so yeah definitely more impactful score than katy if talking about you know team construction and how your scoring helps other people we go craye steph was averaging 30 and not playing the fourth quarter like it's a it's a different ridiculous fucking season he influenced and he changed the way every single team plays basketball kevin derrant did not do that all he's done is put ideas into delusional gm's head i see bruno kablo you can turn into my next kd never happens with stuff uh he got kevin knox drafted Tough.

All right next up The Dallas Mavericks Keep in mind Just score not player We're going I'd be willing to jump that You know where we have to go I want to go Luca

Exactly yeah I assume We have to go Luca And he hasn't No JJ Barreya My bad My bad Have some fucking manners

I'm gonna respect my elders Next time But it's Lucas time He just scored 73 points in it Like I Where he is able to do At all three levels

and the efficiency, it's amazing, right? And even as good as Dirk was, the level of scoring that Luca can get to on any given night is the ceiling is much higher with him than it was with Dirk. How he finishes at the rim, how efficient he's been as a three-point shooter with the depth in those threes and also the versatility and how we skin those threes off, it's next level to me.

He shoots 38% from three on 10-3s a game and shoots the same percentage at the rim as Prime LeBron James. He's so clearly the best score of his generation, and listen shout out dirk you got them the ring you're the best player in franchise history you can't score with luca dants you can't or j j j berea it's luca it's lucar for sure next up the houston rockets we have to give this to james hardin it's no team mac love i don't know he keen your brother listen your brother you love that man i do i do i do love he's not he's not the score that james hardin was like you did not many guys are do you have to james hardin was

scoring 37, 38 points a night. And we're like, eh, it's whatever. Go home. Yeah, just hold home. Now, I didn't like the way he got those 37, but he got him. That's bright. Unethical buckets are buckets nonetheless. It's Gabby James Arden. Exactly. One of those guys who, again, helped change and influence the way the basketball is being played, not to the degree of Steph, obviously, but in terms of the heliocentric style basketball and just one guy there, get me buckets. And when you file, hey, like, exaggerate, act a little, act a lot I was going to say

does a playoff Hardin make you reconsider that but not like playoff T-Mack is some legend so we'll give it the Hardin Exactly The New York Knicks Okay so this is either Carmelo

Or it's Bernard King Listen Every time we talk about the Knicks You want to throw Carmelo's name And they're so bad And we're like Noah's Ewing Noah's Ball Fraser This is the conversation

Where you can give Carmelo love I'm fine with that We can go on Camelo Matthew for the best court I'm so happy you said that It's Carmela I was trying to be respectful to Bernard

It's kind of soft on it Yeah, it's Carmelo. Okay. I'm down with that. I can't even argue with you. You might just slide me on this stage, Carmelo, bro. We didn't pick him to the podcast to draft. He's a podcast now.

Oh, wow. He slapped on Mello. Damn. Damn, bro. That's crazy. I picked Paul Pierce over Camelo, Anthony. You were not thinking like me, man. Tough.

The Toronto Raptors. Do we go sample size of DeMarta Rosen or Vince Carter? Or the one year of Kwai Leonard where he was unstoppable. So you can't do that for a team's goat. You can't do one year. Yeah, one year. kind of disrespectful. Who's going to say to me?

I will, physically. Damn. No, I'm going Vince Carter. Is it over DeMar? Yeah. I don't think you can do that. Why? Over DeMar?

Yeah, Vince Carter doesn't have the longevity there. He was there for like, what, four years, four or five years? DeMarre had one year where he was like legitimately a great, great score where he's averaging like 27. Vince had multiple years like that. And so if we're going, like, obviously he didn't play as long there, but he is is the better score. Demar was getting carried by Kyle Lauer, who's always a better player.

Give me Vince Carter. Wow. That's crazy. It's not if Kyle Lauer is always better. Wow. So you're going to... This revision of the system is ridiculous. That's always been true.

That was always a debate. That was always a thing that people who New Ball said. I think you could sway me into that. If Vince was able to stay on the Raptors for the entirety or like nine seasons of his career, then I could see that happening. But I personally would lean DeMar just to give him that respect. Okay. Last one.

Think about this on carefully. like this is a star-studded debate the brooklyn nets star studded who is julius irving kevin durant carrie irving vins carter fucking brookelopin maybe at the top of that list when it comes to like total points i see his early is he is like good but god damn are you going to pick lopez no we're not we should go kevin durant over julius irving i think so that is disgusting bro what kevin durand is a good year's there you know who's number two all time uh let me think is it jazzing Darren Williams Williams who he never averaged 20 over 20 points that's terrible that's terrible

okay poverty franchise but those few years are Kevin Durant they weren't successful but man was he scoring that basketball we gotta go Kevin Durant yeah this is one of those situations where it's like longevity don't matter brother give me KD yeah like a year and a half where he had like fucking 120 games where he was healthy over three years 30 points a night and that's how you need for the Nets yeah in a scoring conversation yeah let's go yeah man I'm I might throw in lonely one Mark in that conversation, too. What did you just say?

Lonnie Walker. Oh, my God. Listen, can't tell him to score 30 several times the season? God, that's tough. Does not move me. Oh, my God. Does not move me. Well, y'all, that's the last second we have.

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