The Deep 3 Podcast - We Picked The Greatest "What Ifs" In NBA History | Ep. 107

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

The NBA's craziest "What If" scenarios of all time! Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 4:00- On this day in NBA history 8:13- What if Trae Young didn't get hurt... 18:27- What if Luka was drafted #1 26:36- What if the 76ers picked Tatum... 33:32- What if Kobe got traded... 40:04- What if Tim Duncan left SA... 46:16- What if Draymond was nice... 48:37- What if KD never joins GS... 54:48- What if the '18 Rockets make 1 more shot... 57:44- What if D Rose was healthy... 1:03:40- What if CP3 became a Laker... 1:09:50- What if Jordan never retired... 1:14:02- Is Mo smarter than a 5th grader? 1:24:10- Tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I'm back from my long quest of hunting, searching, asking from place to place, city to city, where is Mount Crayon? And I found it. And it'll be revealed at a special time and place. But we're back. I'm back. It was good. What I miss.

Nothing. Because this is a very dead part of the NBA off season. It has been absolutely nothing. Let me leave again then. Fuck this. Yeah, man As you guys see Moe is back with us We're here for a very fun episode

I think As you see by the title We're gonna talk the biggest NBA What If scenarios of all time So because nothing is going on Because there's nothing substantial We're talking about For the next two weeks or so

We're here to talk about Straight hypotheticals For two and a half hours Yeah This is a TD3 special I ain't gonna lie This is a TD3 Fairy tale

Right here I'm very excited for it Honestly not gonna lie Like it's been such a summer of, you know, typical offseason conversations, a lot of rankings comparisons, all the stuff you do when there's no actual games on. This is such a breath of fresh air. It's only we haven't really done before. So it should be fun to think back and look at history and look at how things could have changed different branches of the timeline. Exactly. Because we're

on, we're actually on like one very specific timeline. We've already seen on Twitter. We've already gotten the, the Derek Rose montages. The, you know, Ben Simmons is going to be a problem this season. Those highlight videos are circulating right now. So the DeMarcus cousin's discourse about him being a problem. True. True. A hundred percent. So, yeah, all of that. All of that is on the timeline. Very excited. It's going to be fun. Before we get into it, as you guys know, if you're watching YouTube,

please do us a favor. Drop a like, subscribe, leave us a five-star rating on audio platforms, leave a review, all of that. And also before we get into it, Mo, last week, at the end of TikTok time, we did a trivia game. And Nikiel had you give him trivia questions, where he quizzed me and Donovan. We went through him. we got them all wrong we were sitting here like oh my god we suck at history and we suck at trivia this is insane then the episode comes out they comments see it they laugh at us then they realize all of these fucking answers are wrong you gave us straight incorrect trivia questions it was hilarious how off you were tell me that was on purpose gotcha that's a cop out that's a cop out

Call it what you want You would never know Everyone was like Mo's not here But his presence is still felt All these answers are fucking wrong And at first I was like Do you guys do not question yourself at all?

No At first I was like We thought we didn't know anything And then whenever I saw the comments I was like this guy fucked up This guy come up How do you mess up Put more effort in

Then I thought about it I was like That's 10 straight wrong answers Like this has to be on purpose Are you serious right now you guys didn't I didn't watch it so but you guys like missed every single question yeah because they were wrong yeah we missed they were wrong okay great I'm happy but you I'm surprised you guys didn't catch onto it like live we just believe how how will

we catch on to we can't see your reaction all we know is that you were gone right looking for mount crayon and then we have these 10 questions that we're trying to answer we assumed that you would put the correct answer to this trivia but you set us up so I like to play games I'm an unserious person like 60% of the time sorry but you fell for it comments I'll let you guys decide if you guys think he's telling the truth

and I if he actually set us up or if you got him all wrong we'll see let's get to the episode I'm The cradium is crazy Oh my God I mean, I don't know what to see. Pray on eaters, rejoice.

So before we get into the main topic of this episode, before we get into the greatest what-ifs of NBA history, I'm going to do a new segment that, you know, we're going to rotate through new segments to start of the show. Today we're going to do for the first time, on this day in NBA history. I'm going to tell you guys about a special, relevant NBA fact that happened on this day at some point.

And this is a special one. It's for Mo. You know, like we've been talking about the first five minutes episode you've been gone so we had to welcome you back with some discourse that'll bring you know some happiness to your heart okay and the first thing that happened on this day we're recording us on thursday september 19th three-time NBA all-star trey young was born in lubbock texas today did you know it was his birthday you put something on the yeah i knew it was his birthday but and it's also it's also djante murray's birthday's birthday born in seattle

was it was precious achew was birthday today i also knew it was cj macawm's birthday today we have a whole list of birthdays. I didn't even know that. But yeah, so fun fact, it's Tray Young and DeJante Murray's both their birthday. So I figured that's a fun enough fact that we should take this opportunity to discuss the 2022, 2022, 2023, and 2023, 24, Atlanta Hawks. Why would you do that to me? This is why I took my leave. Why would I want to talk about a season full of pain, agony, disaster, clutter, disgustingness, frock. Like, I could go on and on and on about this team. Donovan. But, wait, wait, wait. Every single time I sit down and talk about Trey Young being just like absolutely amazing. And when I talk about him being historic,

Donovan, you talk about historic? What? This is historic. Look at the screen right there. Do you see that? Do you see that right there? Second to lead the NBA in points and assist. Only player to lead the NBA and NCAA in total points and assist. Most, one of the most 20 and 10 point games before 25 actually the most number one and that's that right there donovan what was your favorite thing about dejante and trey young as a duo uh i think i think my favorite part of the whole experience was at the end whenever they traded de jante because i hated watching them play basketball together because it just wasn't fun so yeah that'll probably be it so your favorite part was when it ended yeah 100% it should never happen in the first of it should never happen in the first

Yeah, one of the worst duels in the entire NBA Probably the worst Yeah, I saw, I forgot who tweeted out Somebody I followed on Twitter Tweeted out to the worst five-man lineup in the NBA last year Yeah, six years of steel Yeah, six resist those who tweeted out Was one of those Dejante and Trey Young lineups

I think it was with Sadiq Bay, Capella And probably Jalen Johnson I don't know who the fifth was, I can't remember But that was the worst lineup in the entire NBA That's insane Have your two best players on the court And you have the worst lineup in the league That's crazy.

Yep. That team was absolutely disgusting. Something that pretty much like summarizes the duo of the Atlanta Hawks. Between those two is specifically, I think it was learning the first year. They had a game against the Houston Rockets. And it was a game where Dejante Murray is being just like Dezante Murray a little bit disrespectful towards his opponents. He bounced the ball over or on Jabari Smith's head and Trey Young and DeJonty were celebrating. one of them were doing the airplane after one hit a three and they came back to and they ended

just losing that game and like to like the one of the worst teams in NBA at the time it's embarrassing yeah that's one though remember the rocket started off six and oh and we did our power rankings after eight games and we had to put them like top four because there was six and oh well like I mean I guess you know but like we saw we saw it we saw through we saw it yeah we didn't expect to stay but what an era that your favorite team helped you know contribute to you lost a fraud off to the Houston Rockets. That's crazy. That's tough. I will say, I will say. And I will say this. We can transition into the main topic of the pot because this, this obviously like iteration of the Hawks is extremely mid.

And the one time the Moes had hope as a Hawks fan, like honestly in the last like 15 years, was the 2020, 2020, 2021 season. And that's why I'm going to start off. When we talk about some of the biggest what ifs in NBA history. Let's go. Main topic time. Tell me about your first topic. How we're going to do this. I'm going to let you cook for the people at home.

We each have five. There's probably going to be some crossover. So it probably won't be 15 entire hypotheticals. It'll be however many individual ones we have. We're going to take turns one by one, giving our biggest what if scenario, then we all talked through it and explain the ripple effect that could happen if it went differently.

Yes. And so for me, and so I kind of broke mine up. You'll see, like, I try to space them out. get one from like each like decade going back like you know like 30 40 years honestly for the 2020s i think that the that the what if is what if tray young doesn't get hurt in that eastern conference final series because because i think that the bucks and i'll say this so the whole premise of this is if tray young doesn't get hurt do they beat the bucks and then do the hawks

eventually lose to the suns and then now we're looking at CP3 with the ring down and Booker with the ring and you have kind of this like culmination of CP3 going from place to place. He's finally winner guy. He, you know, he enters into another situation. They get over the hump. And then you look at the books. And that version of Janus is still, hey, he's like, you can't win a championship with, with this guy. He needs to get a jump shot. Da-da-da-da-da, right? But is probably fired after that season rather than, you know, a couple years later. Like, I, that Buck's team, while they did win the championship, on the road to the title, they were vulnerable. Like, they were down 2-0 to Brooklyn, and then Kyrie and James Hardin got hurt.

They lost game one to the Hawks in this series, and it was 2-1 going into game 3. Trey didn't even play game 4. It was 2-2 going into game 5. Trey comes back in game 6, and listen, he played bad, but he was fighting back injury. It goes 4 of 17, over 6 from 3-point line. just knew that it wasn't there. But if he, if he's there and you have this Hawks team that goes on a run beast the number one seed 76ers and can go toe to toe with the bucks, I think that there's a world where they can go into Milwaukee game five steal that and then they potentially

get this series. And so I think that if you're looking at that and now we're three years later, Yannis has no ring, Chris Paul has a ring and everything else is there. Tray Young might be, might have led a team to the finals, is he still the most overhated player in the league? Is he still all this stuff? That is very, very intriguing to me. Interesting. I did not expect this at all when it came up here. I expected a bunch of

more, you know, commonly talked about what if scenarios. This is a great one. Okay, so let's start with this. Do you think they'd win if they had those two games? Did you, I don't know how much you guys remember the first four games. I'm sure Moe remember was extremely detailed when it was two, too. Mo, I guess you answer this question.

Do you believe the Hawks could have beat them? If they would have beat them, I think they would have had a strong chance because with the way that random role players like Cam Reddish and DeAndre Hunter and those guys are playing, I generally believe that with the defense, this was the highest level of defense that we had. Klinkapella was still regular Kling Kepel that we usually know him for. I think we would have had a legit chance of beating him, beating them, and making it to the final.

Do we win the finals? I'm not going to sit here and stay. that. But nonetheless, I think we get to that point because they genuinely did not know, didn't have a single clue with what to do with Trey Young. And he absolutely eviscerated their entire defense. Yeah, I remember. The only thing I remember is I think it was the second to last game. The series won six games, right? So it must be game five. I remember Brooke Lopez had like over 30 and just went berserk. So like that probably so happens even if Tray Young is there. So I think the bucks might win the series regardless. But if we're doing the thigh experience, if they don't, I think

the most interesting part is, is Janus still on the bucks if they never win? Because that was their best chance. Soon after that, he got hurt every single year. Let's assume that still happens. That's, you know, the frailty of his bodies and something that gets changed by history per se. Does he want to resign if they never win a championship? And then the whole narrative is Drew Holiday and Chris Moten are enough help? Yeah, I mean, probably not. And I'll say this, right? So like, obviously, I didn't think that the Hawks were going to win the series. I thought that they would get game one because they had gone into Philly and they had gotten game one.

And I forget who they played in the first round. But they were also like an underdog and then they go. Oh, the Knicks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they played the Knicks that year. I thought that the Knicks were going to get game one and then the Hawks got it.

So I thought that they were going to be started off from a point of advantage. And this was the like very, like sometimes it happens in the league where you get a team that make some, you know, some crazy run, and it's their first time there. And people always talk about, you know, the playoffs are a different stage and, you know, the lights are brighter. This is a Hawks team that didn't know what any of that was. Like, they were playing that entire year with like no fear. And it's like, Trey Young, who's used to being the villain. You got bogey and Herta, who are shooting the ball crazy well. Like, I didn't think that they were going to be in that place in that position in the first place. So it 100% like, yeah, well,

I didn't think that they were going to win. I do think that there is a scenario where they do because they just kept proving everybody wrong. And so I think that, I think that for one, and I'm with you, I think Janus leaves because because like the bucks were able to get him to stay this time because Dane finally requested the trade. I don't know if there was anybody at the time. I can't, yeah, I can't remember off the top of my head if there was anybody at the time who would have made sense. And I think that they still would have been like up against the wall. You just traded for Drew so you don't have any immediate assets to go

and get somebody else. So you're kind of all in for the next two years. He probably does ask out. And now we're looking at a league where Janice is in Milwaukee and then obviously like the power shift. Because the year after this, they play the Celtics and Chris Milton isn't there. And Janice has maybe the best performance of his career outside this year's finals where he goes absolutely berserk, one on one man army versus the world versus

Celtics, but they lose in seven. Grand Williams goes stupid. Yeah. So that's what happened. So you have a loss in conference finals to a vastly inferior team when you have home court advantage. That's not great. Then you lose because your co-star can't stay healthy.

Then the next year, Yannis gets hurt and they lose to the heat and they get bounced out. Then the next year, Yonis gets hurt and they lose again in the first round. Like, that would make it four years of just utter failure. I feel like if that were to happen this summer. Look at that past, bro. Trey Young is throwing live off the back. for it. There's no fear in this team. They, they 100% could have went into Milwaukee and got

in the game five, if he was 100% healthy. They beat the number one, and granted, like, granted, Ben Simmons was on that team. We, like, that whole situation happened, but they weren't scared of anybody. They, they could have did it. And I think that that, at least in the last four years, is a very underrated one. Because you're right. Not a lot of people talk about, like, oh, like the 2021 Hawks is being this like league changing team because they weren't, but the situation that they could have put the league in would have been league changing. Well, we know something about this one.

Okay, so if that were to happen and Janus were to have requested trade, it'd probably be this summer it just happened based on the time I just laid out. I bet that if that were to happen, you know, going into the year, teams were already talking about like we're preparing to try to trade for Janus,

then it got shut down because he signed several times. That never happened. Teams would still be holding their assets for him because they would have expected this to happen. I feel like the Dallas Mavericks would have tried to go all in for him. So I bet they wouldn't have made the move

to get Kyrie because they'd been saving that pick for Yonis. If that were to happen Also, that means the Suns would have won the finals this year So they probably aren't training For Kevin Durant that year So what happens to the Nets

When they implode If Kyrie isn't going to the Mavs And Katie isn't going to the Sons This is the butterfly effect Yeah, it would be crazy Kyrie would probably be a Laker Cairo would probably be a Laker Because that was the other team bidding for him

That they didn't send him there For different reported reasons Kyrie might be Laker in that scenario And Kevin Durant Who else is trying to get him whenever they went to the Suns. I think the Raptors were heavily in the mix there? Yeah, the Raptors were, I forget who else was.

They were, but the Raptors were asking for a lot, or the Nets were asking for a lot. And the Raptors were like, well, we're just not going to, like, do that. It probably would have been, like, Miami sweeping in at the last minute because they've been, because they've been trying to get somebody. I think, especially after the KD sweepstakes, they, for like a couple years, it was like, okay, well, Jimmy and Bam are here. We just got to the finals. We're just going to stand past.

but there's nobody else outside of, you know, Dame when they clearly needed to go get somebody else. But it's, yeah, man, no, this is, this is a very, like, this is a crazy one. Yeah, this whole year of 2021 is very crazy because coming off of the bubble, like, the, the season started early. You had 72 games. It's a very, like, weird and forgotten season in NBA history. And so I think whenever you look back on it, there's a couple things that you can take away. And it's a very, like, it's a very, like, it's a very, like, it's a very, it's a stepping stone for kind of like if you look at at the NBA in terms of like arcs and

like TV seasons and stuff like that it's a stepping stone and a building block to set up season yeah yeah okay i'm glad you about this are interesting about this before that something very interesting about the same series too yannis hyper extended his entirety and just came back oh yeah it was absolutely nothing and so maybe to take it even further i truly believe the hawks 100% secure this if Janus didn't come back as a cyborg and Tray Young still remain then I think this genuinely

probably happens. Dude, Janus did that and that 50 point close up to win a title and a hyper extended knee. That detail is always forgotten about. That's crazy. But I'm glad we're talking about the Sons and everything because before we get to the ones

everybody came here for, the popular what ifs that we're going to talk about, I have one more modern one that one talk about on the topic of the Sons. What did the Sons didn't make the worst draft decision of all time, and they just pick Luca Donchich first. What if they pick Luca Donchich?

What happens then? Because that is legitimately an NBA history-changing moment. Because if that were to happen, then obviously, they pair Luca Donchish or Devin Booker. We can talk about what that looks like, but that means they don't end up training for Chris Paul at some point. So they have DeBook and Luca, and Luca walks in immediately as one the best players in the league by year two. You have the best back court in the league.

You still have those assets that went for Chris Paul, so maybe they make another trade for a big instead, and are immediately in contention. I think if Luca had Devin Boker the last five years, he might have a championship right now because obviously they'd be amazing because they'd still make the McHale Bridges trade and have that threesome. They probably saw Cam Johnson next year

because they had kind of reached on him anyways, so they weren't going to lose out on him if they were a little bit better. Let's say they trade for a center instead of Chris Paul. The sons are immediately in a title window, like by year two. And the Mavericks, they don't trade up for Luca Donchish to get number three.

They stay at five. And if we assume the draft goes relatively chalk, maybe eight and go second. At number three, the hawk stay and pick Tray Young. At four, the Grizzly still pick Jerry and Jackson. The Mavs might get Marvin Bagley at that point. He might fall to five. So the Mavs are full on tanking still.

They have Bagley and DSJ and then like six more years of terror because they don't have Luca to save them. They would have been in net for a long time without that Luca lifeline. They would be in absolute hell. They would be in absolute hell. This sucks for the Sun's suit because like this would be in pretty much back-to-back drafts because back in 2017 they had an opportunity to go like they really needed

a point guard and had an opportunity to go ahead and select deer and fox but they decided to completely pass up on that was it 2017 or 2016 one of those fox 17 yeah 17 one of those yeah that year but they decided to go with uh josh jackson i believe who ended up being it's a complete nothing in the NBA world and it's crazy man they would have been they would have been like where the Thunder are now, but even better. Like, they would have been the next up-and-coming young super team. Yeah. And listen, you said, you know, like when you were setting up, the worst draft decision

that the Sons could have made. I thought you were talking about 2020. Because in 2020, they used, like, the ninth pick and they draft Jalen Smith going into, you know, their final season. They get nothing from a top 10 draft pick in that year. And imagine if you would have had, right? Like, that's the difference between. And I'm not saying, obviously, like, that they would have won the finals because of a rookie.

But maybe the could have Albert. Exactly. Exactly. Maybe. Maybe you are in a position where you have a top 10 pick and they immediately, you know, make an impact. And now it's you guys going up against the bucks and Chris Paul is still good. And Devin Booker is obviously, you know, himself and you have all that chemistry. They have, like James Jones has openly said that he does not care about the draft.

terrible but at the same time when you have these opportunities you have to take at like you have to take for advantage of it and the sons haven't done it and now they have absolutely no picks they are not in control of their own draft pick for basically the rest of the decade and they are stuck yeah no this one is interesting too uh chris paul you know coming into this year obviously they pick aton and they say we have our big of the future our two guard the future we need our point guard bringing Chris Paul, he was coming off of an OKC year where he really saved his career and showed that he's not washed. Where would he go? Because he made the Suns a finals contender overnight. And that piece would still be out there. And there really wasn't a ton of rumors

that summer. I went back and looked of where he was going to go. It was like the Suns pretty early on. The only other thing I saw was the Lakers had considered it, but they decided to get Dennis Schroeder that year with the first round pick. You know, OKC had Schroeder, Horford, and Chris Paul and traded all three of them. So maybe if Chris Paul is available, they send them to the Lakers or whoever else. Somebody else comes out the woodworks. That's the player that would shift the title odds for somebody else, if not the Sons, while the Sons also remain this next super team.

Oh, 100%. So if, so in 20, so that is the year, is that the year, no, that's the year Brian, no, that's the year before Brian gets there. No, no, this is 2020. This is after the bubble. Oh, 2020. Okay. Yeah, this all happened.

This is the offseason, which was November 2020, because it was all delayed a few months. this happened pretty much like middle of the summer November 2020 so post title so post title the lakers instead of saying yeah we're just going to ship our entitled our entire title team out the door we're going to go and we're going to get Chris ball and add that exactly and and finally and finally allow lebron to be the off ball guy that they wanted him to be from the moment he showed up to to play for for the lakers right like they tried to give lanzo those keys they try to you know magic wanted to bring in a bunch of playmakers all that all that stuff If you had Chris Paul there to actually run the offense,

LeBron would actually be like, okay, fine. Like, we're good. Like, I have somebody I trust. And more importantly, they never do the Westbrook trade because Chris Paul comes in. And the reason they didn't make a push for him, they gave up a first-on pick for Schroeder, which was similar assets to the Sons give up for Chris Paul

because at that time he was viewed as a scary asset because he made a lot of money still. And while he did bounce back with the Thunder, nobody was sure how he would age if he would have more elite years left because he was getting old as hell. And turns out he had two more elite years left with the sons. but that was a surprise of people.

That's why he only went for a first-round pick plus Ricky Rubio and Kelly Ubre. It wasn't a big haul, so perhaps the Lakers still wouldn't want to do it. But if that one more person is out the mix, one more shooter and the suns are gone, maybe the Lakers are interested because the price goes even lower.

If that's the case, he comes in, shocks the world, he's still healthy. He has another win. They win the title in 2021, I think, with Chris Paul. They probably wouldn't want it anyways that they said healthy, but they didn't, right? Chris Paul would probably have been good enough

to keep them afloat whenever those guys, the two stars were in and out of the lineup. So Chris Paul might have a ring. LeBron might have back to back in Los Angeles. The Lakers never make the Westbrook trade. So the whole next three years aren't wasted. Westbrook goes into something else somewhere else. And maybe Al Horford is on the Suns now instead of Chris Paul.

Like so many things that shifted around and that completely changes the West. We're like four layers deep on this, what if I have another layer that I want to ask you guys. Let's go. Let me hear it. Okay. So you have CP, Braun, AD, all healthy in 2021. all healthy on the other side of the league is a healthy

Kevin Durant Kyrie Irving, James Hardin. Who wins in that matchup? See, in this reality, they didn't stay healthy, but if they did... Exactly. If everybody stays healthy in this... Who are the other guys a part of that era of the Nets team? Who were the other guys? Dude, they had everybody. They had Blake Griffin who gave him something.

That Claxton, they had Lamarcus Aldridge. They had Bruce Brown. They were stacked. Joe Harris. They were fucking ridiculous No way Bruce Brown was a part of that He was, wasn't he? He was I'll look at the Ross Yeah for the first year he was

Wow Oh you're right you're right This is before he was with the Nuggets Yeah yeah right right Right before This is before he popped As an NBA player Yeah damn

They had fucking everybody bro Seth Drogic Dude they were They were loaded They were loaded And but so the Lakers Because who wins

The Lakers in this scenario They traded Danny Green for Schroeder So let's say they still trade Danny Green and they probably have to give up some more contracts. I don't know who it would be, but let's say they have, they still at that point.

They did. So Chris Paul, KCP, Kuzma, LeBron, Anthony Davis. I think I'm leaning the Lakers because they have the much better defense and I believe in the defense that Anthony Davis

going up against all that and just like making KD Hardens and all those guys life absolutely ho. I feel that? Yeah. I'm with you, but no one's even crazy. None of this would matter.

because in 2022, the next year, we'd have Luca and Devin Booker in the finals for the next four years. Lucaan Booker in the finals. And McHale Bridges. Can I make this even worse? Yes. What if during,

what if the year before that happened in 2017? What if the Philadelphia Delfare in 76ers did not trade up to select Markele Fultz, stead where they stayed where they're at, and instead drafted Jason Taylor. him with that number three overall pick and had Tatum, who's been healthy throughout his entire crew, never had no

real serious injury alongside Joelle and Bede. Now, do they win? I don't know because Joelle is is Doel. But this makes them so much more of a threat. They win. Dude, I will almost guarantee they win a title. But they had Jimmy Butler,

they had Tobias Harris, Jason Tatum, Ben Simmons, J.J. Reddick and Embeddead? Yes, they would win. There's no way. There's no way, okay, so I don't know if they would have J.B. and Tatum on the same team because you're just, you're no way in hell you're getting J.B. Without like getting

Tatum. Oh, Jimmy Buller? Yeah. Yeah, no way you're getting Jimmy Buller. They had Jimmy Buller and Markhill Fultz. Yeah, but who wanted Fultz at that point in time? Like, yeah, you know what I mean? Like, no real, no real assets. So at that point time, like, I don't know, but just the thought of Ben Simmons,

Tatum, and a Joellen Bede lead defense, that's the best defensive lead by far alongside J.J. Reddick and whatever Tobias Harris is. Oh, my God. I think the Celtics probably would have just took Jason Tatum at one realistically. But if somehow this happened, they, they for sure would win a title. Oh, wow. Yeah, they might, they might. Is that, wait, Mo, is that yours? Is that your, your first? Yeah, that was on of mine. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, like, the Ben Simmons and stuff is crazy because there's like a million what ifs in his career timeline. But I do think, like, if there's any other people,

pick? I think like the biggest what if it's just like what if the pick is just not Markle Foltz? What if like regardless if you trade up to one or you stay at three if you get a guy who can actually play that that that impact your title window immensely. And it's so crazy the fact that like Markle Foltz could do all of these things coming out of college and then he just gets to the league and his shot is broken. And I still don't understand what happened. I don't know. I don't know if Marka Fultz knows what happened.

But the Sixers, having Ben Simmons and Joelle and Bede, it was always great, like, in theory where it's like you have this very big, you know, athletic defensive point guard who can facilitate everything. He handles everything in transition. You guys can still get out and run. You surround him with shooters. That's great. And then whenever, you know, time comes, you dump the ball into Joel, you let him

be this all-time score. it worked yes they were winning games it still was like a little clunky and the only one in spite of the issues yeah and like the times where it felt the best is whenever you had jimmy butler there to handle a lot of the perimeter scoring stuff and you really could just let bentsamans be this you know this two-way traditional point guard demon right he could be a six-ten gary peyton essentially and i i wonder like if you get anybody, do you still feel the need to trade for Jimmy Butler, even though that you drafted somebody who could come in and contribute immediately? Maybe not.

And then maybe they end up keeping McKill Bridges in that trade because the fit makes more sense for them for whatever reason in this big difference of world. Like so much stuff changes. Like I don't know if it would be Jason Tatum because I think the Celtics would take him at one. But I agree. The non-faults decision makes a world of a difference. Like maybe they trade the pick. Maybe they pick Lonzo Ball.

Maybe they pick Deeran Fox. Maybe whoever may be like just adding a good, not even like star player. Like you would think a first overall pick should have been a star. Even if it's not. Even if it's Larry Marketing and they have a four next to Embedd. Like whoever it is, that changes everything. Like we're probably looking at a Joelle Embed who's viewed as one of the best bigs of all time because he has a ring early before Ben Simmons flames out.

And then he has one of the best scoring seasons of all time when he won his MVP. And the next year comes out and you can greater score. But it doesn't matter because nobody cares. because everybody's like you're a playoff choker we don't respect your regular season that wouldn't be the case at all if you want a title already those seasons would be very respected and he'd kind of be viewed as like damn man it's sad he doesn't he gets hurt so much instead of ha ha you suck you get hurt so much yeah the pick okay so here so the top five in that draft false lonso jason jason jason daren fox if the sixers stay at three and let's say that like markella just is the number one pick and the six in the sixers they're like all right fine like we'll just take we'll take marquil and you have him the lakers seem very gunho about lanzo so you so you take him there and then you get to three and you have the sixers there and that's where probably tatum would fall so i think i think like in in this scenario if it's a non-fault's decision it comes down between tatum and fox and even like even if you have daren fox in

that mode, I think if Fox is there, you might still go out and get Jimmy Butler because he's not a shooter coming out of college like that. And he's not, obviously, D.R. Fox is not the score. So you still need that extra boost. But, man, it's like, it's these 80-bitty decisions. And, like, one of my honorable mentions, like, one of my, the honorable mentions that I have for this list was like, what if the Warriors don't take Wiseman? And they take, like, Melo. And you get, right? And, like, you just get something out of, out of this top two pick that landed in your hands after you had the worst stretch of this, you know, dynastic run.

So yeah, it's crazy. People really don't realize how important NBA draft picks are and how monumental they are to just like how you build a team. It doesn't matter like if you pick a pick to like pick a player to be a superstar or whatever in the next like seven to six or four years or whatever the case may be. Just be useful. Be a good player. That means so much.

there's a lot of organizations and it does so much you know there's a reason why like when the back when the phoenix suns landing on uh miles bridges or mccal bridges during the 2018 draft and also cam johnson too like two very respectable players mcal bridge is one of the best role players in the entire NBA not a start by any means cam johnson definitely ought to start either fairly plays but because they're super useful players who maximize on the okay ceiling potential that they had in the league, they're easily flippable for bigger assets like KD, and now they have somewhat of a window to make something special happen with Devon Booker. So monumental. Yeah, man. All right, but that's enough a modern NBA talk. Let's throw back a little bit.

Donovan, what's your first one that's not from the last 10 years? All right. So my thing is, what if, what if Kobe actually does get traded? Oh, that's a good one. Okay. I didn't put this on my list. Right. So May 2007, we, the Lakers have moved on from Shaq for several years now. He goes to Miami. He gets the title. Kobe is putting up 36 points a night. He's playing with guys like Smush Parker, right? They're losing it in the first round. He goes on Stephen A's radio show. He requests a trade, which is honestly like in this day and age, it's very hard. It's very hard to fathom. Like, you get, we get trade requests through from players through a business. three reporters and you just see it on a tweet and all of a sudden at like 10 o'clock at

night it's like oh Kevin Durant requested a trade that a da-da-da right and like the internet goes crazy for like 20 minutes. Can you imagine someone like Devin Booker hopping on this podcast being like yeah, trade me. He's on Club 520. He's like, I want to be a bull. That's crazy. Exactly. And so like, so you go on national radio, you say I want to be traded and his top spot was he wanted to go to the Bulls. He wanted to play, right? You already know, like, he loves MJ. He wants to go fill the shoes.

I think that the outcome, if he does get traded, is that we look at Kobe Bryant in the same light as he, as Kyrie Irving. Oh, I think that Kobe's career. It's a return. I get it, though. I get it. I think Kobe's career is, if he gets traded to Chicago, is an elevated version of Kyrie, where from all the players who play against him, you are still going to get the, he's the most

skilled player of all time, he was insanely hard to guard, all of that. But the success that he had early on, the rings, you're always going to look at them and say, yeah, but you had Shaft next to you. There's always going to be that aster. And then the three years that he was by himself, right, on that team, they're getting beat in the first round, yeah, he's scoring, but now you look at him and you're like, oh, you try to do the Michael Jordan Mamba mentality thing and try to just be a jerk to your teammates. It doesn't really work.

You're not a leader. This is so good. You're not all, you're not, you know, you're not who you think that, that you are. And if you look at the roster that the, that the, that the, that the bulls had going into that, going into that season. Cook. It's Shannon Brown, New All Dang, Chris Duhon, Drew Gooden, Ben Gordon, Ben Wallace, Joe Tyrus Thomas, Kirk Hynerick, Larry Hughes, all these guys, a young Joachim Noah.

If you are trading all of that, right, a good portion of that for Kobe Bryant, the team is now deflated, and now you are in Lakers East. And now you have Kobe Bryant going into Michael Jordan's house, not able to live up to the standard that he just set a decade prior. He gets no rings. He continues to be a fantastic score. But now that is all you are. You are no longer winner guy, do it all at whatever cost.

And so that's what I'm saying, the way that we look at Kyrie now, now that he's been elevated, that's the version. And that's the way that we look at Kobe if he gets traded. And so he's not top 10 all time. He's not some people's, well, he probably said it would be people's goals. But he's not, you know, consensus top 10. He's more consensus top 25, right? Like you probably, you probably be around where Dwayne Wade is.

And then you really have the battle between him and Wade for who's the best guard in the league because while he's winning, while Kobe's winning titles in LA and Wade's going out in the first round, now they're doing the same thing for the second half of that decade. And so you can make that argument. The Kyrie comparison is so good. Like the fact that he wins next to the best player of his era and is a sidekick, but a qualified sidekick and then it's terrible on his own and it gets another opportunity and it's probably terrible on his own because the part you didn't mention here is yes, the Bulls roster is terrible. And if you want to be

positive, you can say they'll probably have Calf's face. They can go out and get these guys in the late 2010s that moved around. Maybe they can convince Dway to come team up with them. Maybe they can convince LeBron and keep team up with them. The Bulls are inept and have been inept for so long. And the only good thing has happened to them since Michael

Jordan left is falling face first into Derek Rose. And while Kobe Bryant would have done a fucking thing with that terrible roster, he would have been just good enough to make sure they don't get Derek Rose. So it would have been misery and it would have been other failure. And I think it's important that you said an elevated version of Kyrie because people

are going to hear that and be like, how dare you? It is an elevated version. Kyrie's not a top 20 player of all time. Kobe would be, but he would be like 20 to 25 inch instead of top 10. Exactly. And that's such a good comparison, man. Like I didn't even think about this one. Wow.

Like he, his legacy is entirely, oh, I didn't say that because of him. But is saved by the fact that Jerry Buss was like Kobe, shut the fuck up and come play basketball. Yeah. Yeah. The second half, like, you look at, and, you know, like, you look at at the Jersey retirement, people, you put up the stats between eight and 24. And the second half of his career is obviously, like, just as good. It's a Hall of Fame career. Three, three finals appearances, a back-to-back title. He gets the MVP in the second half of the year. So, like, all of that stuff that he gets in the second half of his career with the Lakers, that's not there if you go to Chicago. And so you have basically, like,

even if you want to be generous 65, right, 60, 65% of what he did, of all the amazing stuff that he did in the second half of his career is now gone. And he can no longer sit at the table with Magic, Jordan, Kareem, and having five.

He's gotty Pippin. Exactly. He can't, he can't sit at the table with Tim Duncan, right? Because Tim Duncan would, because Tim, Tim would have five. And Tim might have more because he was losing two Kobe and the Lakers.

So you have all that. And then the thing on top of that is the other conversation is the people that you talk about him with in that era where it's Kobe, it's Dirk, it's Tim and it's like Steph and all these guys who are with one team. And it's like, oh my gosh, like they're so loyal, this and that. There's so many decisions that happen in the NBA that don't get made to where. I'm glad you said this. To where like people are like, oh my gosh, she's so loyal. Tim Duncan almost left the spurs, right? Okay, good transition, good transition.

Don't step on my pick because that is my pick on my list. My next one is what if Tim Duncan went to the magic? We're on the same wavelength. Tell them that story. I love it. Tim Duncan in the year 2000. Tell me about that story. Tim Duncan was drafted in 1996.

In the summer 2000, he was a free agent, unrestricted because the NBA was weird and did not have restricted free agents. So players came in and signed their rookie deal in this case was only a three-year deal with the Spurs because they're, they lacked foresight to sign him to a longer deal at the time, and he was an unreshifted free agent testing the waters. This is, you know, he was a star already. He wasn't quite what we know

him to be, but he was a star, clearly by year three, and he was in talks to sign a six-year deal with the Orlando Magic, who were coached by Doc Rivers, and already had Tracea McGrady very young, he was just drafted, and Grant Hill on their roster. They were just made a big three with Tim Duncan, T-Mack, and Grant Hill. The only reason it didn't happen, or And that's the only reason. The main reason that stopped it from progressing further was Tim Duncan wanted assurances that he could bring his girlfriend with him

on the team playing to all the games. And Doc Rivers made it a point to say, no spouses of any sort are allowed on the team playing just players. So Tim Duncan was like, sorry, I can't go to the magic, I'm going back to the spurs. And from that one decision made by Doc Rivers to make Tim Duncan get the ick

and not want to play in Florida, we got a dynasty. And a dynasty that spanned 15 more years and blocked several champions some happening. So not only would we have a similar situation to the Kobe one you just mentioned where a goat just wouldn't have happened, right? Like Tim Duncan just clearly wouldn't be a top high player of all time. He'd be great, but we can assume that he doesn't rattle off four more chips with the magic or whoever comes after that, right? That doesn't happen unless you're in San Antonio

with Greg Popovich, with Manu, with Tony Parker, with Eventually Kauai and all that. So he's a great player that is just just a good player, right? He gets an early chip when he's really young, but he doesn't get close to five. So he's like Anthony Davis on history. He's a very good player that isn't part of Dyni Sabani means and all those years where they're beating this shit

out of the entire Western Conference other teams have a chance to win they beat the Sons two or three times in the playoffs I forget what the number was but the Sons seven seconds or less Sons never had a place in history

because they couldn't get past Tim Duncan. Maybe they get a ring maybe LeBron those are 2007 I don't know who LeBron would play I forget who was in the conference finals that year with them it might have been the Sons actually

maybe LeBron gets a ring in 2007 you know, it keeps going. The Hedles years aren't disrupted by the Spurs. Like so many other dynasties or other championship level teams get a chance to shine and so many legacies are changed because of it. We're cooking. We're cooking.

And it's just like another instance of like, Doc Rivers, why are you the way that you are? Why are you doing this? Like, Doc Rivers, you are blocking your blessings off of principle that isn't even a principle that you should be standing on. Oh, my God. So much, so much crazy stuff happens on team planes, and I can't bring, I can't bring my family on the plane. You got people playing boot race, right?

Unspeakable things happen on team planes. And I can't bring my family. Why, again, why are you like this? Now, there isn't, and like the aspect of it that's crazy is like, yes, the decision would be crazy. T-Mack is still very injury pro. Hill does also get injuries. So does this start to look like the Los Angeles Clippers where you have this amazing duo

that is supposed to come in and run the league? And now injuries just never let you see that. And so, like, yeah, Tim Duncan probably ends up in like the Anthony Davis category where he's fantastic. He's already solidified, right? Because he has the ring. The defense is already there. But what does that look like in now?

But let's say that it goes the opposite way. And everything goes great. Is Doc Rivers now, like one of the greatest coaches in the history? Like, you know, if that decision is made and the whole timeline is changed, we could be looking at Doc Rivers. It's like, man, if I have one team,

I need somebody to coach, give me Doc Rivers. And that would be crazy. Or we'd be looking at TMAC is one of the best players of all time because he probably stays there for longer because they have a core. Grant Hill quickly got washed. He would have became relatively irrelevant

in the scheme of this by the time they get to like a championship window. But T-Mack would have been No, he wasn't hurt every year Some of those years He was just getting Molliwop in the first round Because the team sucked So if you have

Everything that he did well in that era Was perfectly suited To thrive next to Tim Duncan So if Doc Rer was would have been a great coach And if you could have got Some similar out of him That Popovich got out of him But instead of having this egalitarian

Move the ball around offense You have Tim Duncan being the best defender And elite post player Next to a fucking bucket And Trace McGrady Like that could still work in a different way. That's Kobe.

That's Kobe and Gassal, but the power dynamic is shift. You get Kobe and Gasol, but you shift the power dynamic, flip it around. It's the same type of style of play. Like, they still could have won chips. This makes you want to go ahead and sit down and fire up 2K by actually 205 and just like to tell it with this myself and see what actually happens. See what happens to the San Antonio Spurs and who knows like what year was, what year was Genoble drafted or Tony Parker, my bad.

Like 2003 or something? like that? Yeah, okay. Do they? And I don't know. There's just so much that happens and, ah, man. Like, does Popovic stay there or do they have to rebuild because they lose Tim Duncan? And then he goes to another team and maybe so is a goat coaching career, but it'll be somewhere

else. Maybe he replaces Phil Jackson. So eventually, like, maybe he goes to the Lakers because they had the money for him. Like, who knows? Like so much changes because of this. Maybe they're so terrible and they actually end up drafting instead of, like, they actually have a lottery pick and they end up drafting like, I don't know, D. Wade or something like that.

Maybe they get LeBron. Yeah, do they get LeBron? I don't think the league let's have it. Yeah, man. So much could change. Mo, what's your next pick, Mo? Let's hear your rant. Yeah, all right.

So switching the tone of this. This is so fun. What if, going back in the present time, what if Draymond Green was actually a sane person and didn't punch Jordan Poole in the face, didn't call Katie a bitch and was on his back what if really like he treated everyone with just like respect and was a what if he was a nice what if he was a nice guy would we sit here and watch katie beyond now as like second team

would he still be a warrior it's a real question to ask what this is a fun one have been a warrior still that is a good one so do you think that uh do you think draymond is the main reason kat left so i guess we start there do you think he would have stayed if they were like buddy buddy and draymond was like the coolest teammate ever i think that definitely would have helped because draymond is the loudest voice in the team and if you're the loudest voice you have to be one of the more influential voices too just based off of just you talking and yapping a lot yeah now there's other things that like led to katie leaving like him and his the way he felt about people viewing him and oh this is very diverse team and stuff like maybe maybe he does leave but

draymond could have helped remedy that though if he really welcomed them maybe he wouldn't have felt so alienated by the fan base of Draymond really was like helping that team chemistry be better. Yeah, exactly. And just the thought of KD never leaving is very interesting because it's like, okay, it made you think like, ooh, the only reason why the Nets were able to land Kairi is because Katie and Kari came into a dual package. If Katie would have, what was cool where he was at, then that just shifts everything again.

Kari probably stays with the Celtics. Cairo, who, I don't know if he stays with the Celtics. Yeah, no way he says to the Celtics. I mean, does he snake them and go bass without his word unless if Katie isn't there to make the perfect team with him? Yeah, I think that that situation is. Maybe he's actually a Nick, actually. I think Kyrie probably ends up being a Nick.

Just go ends up going home instead of being a net. Because I think there were that relationship was this ear pair. Oh, yeah, you're right. That's somewhere they could have got on. Yeah, exactly. So I think he probably ends up being a Nick. And that also like makes you think about, oh, like, man, that means Jared Allen. remains like a Brooklyn net for the entirety of his career, probably up until now.

So just interesting. Yeah, so that's cool. Yours is, what if Katie never leaves? The one on my list is, what if he never goes to the Warriors? What if during that summer he decides he wants to leave OKC for whatever reason? What if the Warriors aren't the choice, right? What if maybe the Warriors win the title that year? And then he doesn't want to join a victor, but he still wants to leave OKC.

What if he chooses the Celtics, which is rumored to be on his. uh you know a choice of teams he could be looking at what if he goes with them his second choice in that year Isaiah Thomas was still there but I think they ended up trading for Kyrie Irving that summer too right no they shared for Kyrie the following summer after that which we'll get to that because if he would if he had chose at Celtics they would have had Isaiah Thomas they would have just picked Jalen Brown Marcus Smart Terry Rozier Avery Bradley J. Bradley J. Crowder Kelly Olinick and Evan Turner they don't know about Avery Bradley, that dude was

because that summer they got Al Horford with their money. That was their signing that they ended up getting. So replace Al Horford with Kevin Durant. And now we're an interesting team because you have Jalen and Al Horford. The next year they still get that pick that ended up being Tatum. But maybe they trade that pick to get another star with

Kevin Durant, whoever that may be. Or they end up getting Jason Tatum and they have Jalen, Tatum, Kevin Durant with Isaiah Thomas, Avery Bradley, all these guys. Okay, so So if Katie goes in 2016, does Kyrie still find his way to Boston? And there you go.

That's the next part. Right. Maybe the move is instead of them linking up in Brooklyn, like you said, with that extra pick, with that top three pick, maybe if Kyrie still says, hey, I want out, then they go, then the subjects go, they make that move. And now you have Kyrie, KD, and Gordon Hayward with Julian Brown. They're like the parents from everything ever all at once, and every life they find each other. They always together and it always fails. Exactly. But that's interesting.

But also, Kevin, Kyrie only left because they flamed out in 2017. There was obviously part of it was the culture dynamic of being the little brother to LeBron that made him have the frustrations. Not, not little brother. Son. They were asking what kind of parental rule as LeBron? Oh, yeah, you're right. Exactly. Well, listen, winning heals all.

and if they don't get Kevin Durant the Cavs got better that year as commonly said the 2017 Cavs are the best version of that team they could have won again and obviously the Warriors would have been able to use that money elsewhere maybe they get out forford

so maybe they're still amazing but there's a good chance the Cavs were able to go back to back and win in 2017 maybe Carrey doesn't leave it all in that scenario wow and Kevin Durant

like he was on this this trajectory and like the biggest shift in honestly like NBA not not history but like in modern NBA history is honestly KD going to the worst

because yes everybody yes everybody got on LeBron for going to Miami but even in that situation the heat had just lost in the first round they were bringing in an entirely new nucleus you were not adding LeBron to a ready made team right

and LeBron didn't go to the team that beat him and so all these things that up until that point were kind of of like unwritten rules in the NBA of things that you shouldn't do, especially if you're a superstar, Kevin Durant breaks all of that down. And now it really doesn't matter where you go, who you sign with. If you think that that team is going to give you the best opportunity to win a championship because you want to satisfy, you know, hashtag ring culture, if you want to do that, then by all means, you just have to get your bag and do what's best for you. So that, that version of

of Durant is like, he's no longer the villain. He's no longer the guy that ruined basketball. Exactly. Right. That's not him. And so you keep seeing this ascension where for a lot of people, that probably, that probably was a reason why a lot of people maybe never recognized Kevin Durant as the best player in the league.

And you see that the real, really the only time that he ever got that was the 2019 playoffs when LeBron wasn't there. Right. But at the same time, he might be able to get closer and closer into those conversations if he goes to Boston rather than go to state where he kind of like nullifies everything. His PR would be much better. Yeah. His PR would be much better. But I don't know like if that winning would actually be there to like help his PR on the sales.

I don't know. I mean, Boston. But it's different. They'll be good. But would they be all time like great? It took a couple of years for Jalen Brown to like if they still pick Jason Tatum. if they pick Jason Tatum probably but even then it's like

Jason Tatum has to have that opportunity and Isaiah Thomas is still there along with Jalen Brown who's getting even less touches Man I don't care by Isaiah Thomas Kevin Kevin Durant is here He pushes him out the way Does Isaiah Thomas hurt his hip?

I don't know man Well yeah he still does He's close But uh okay so another part of it Obviously with Kevin Durant's legacy So one either Kyrie doesn't request a trade And just winning hills all Maybe they go back to back

maybe they don't break up because if Kyrie just stays there and maybe he gets past a little emotional part of his decision he has he gets over that and they just keep dominating LeBron doesn't feel need to leave to LA until he's really old. They stay together for a long time and keep winning for a while

or let's say they lose at one point and Kyrie jets at the first opportunity of loss and the Rockets are still going all in because they still have James Hardin and let's say they still get Chris Paul do the Rockets get a title because they don't have the Warriors they're blocking them anymore? They just

dominate the West and they see either the Cavs there or the Celtics there, maybe James Harding gets the title and that obviously changes everything. So many legacies are at play differently because the Warriors block so much from happening that there's just so many different people could be elevated so much higher up the all-time rankings list without that team. But now instead, we have Patrick McCaw with three NBA championships. NBA history. It's beautiful. All right, Donovan, what's your next one? Okay, I actually, listen, I'm actually going to double up because the first one is I'm piggybacking, piggybacking off of what you just said, because one of mine was, what if the Rockets make one more three-pointer?

Like, they don't miss 27 straight. And it's them and the Cavs in the 2018 finals. I think that the Rockets still might lose because I think that, like, LeBron that. No chance. I I think that LeBron that year is still able to lead a team to something and look at these highlights

we're watching him right now look at George Hill standing in the fucking corner understand they're in the Eastern Conference finals understand like they would have taken game one and obviously they're not winning that series like against the Warriors in 18 but if it's him against the 2018 Rockets

as opposed to the greatest team of all times that series is much more intriguing to me than what we actually got and I think that for LeBron if he gets that ring there's obviously another path the biggest part of it is if that ends up happening

and then the Rockets get that title then everything for James Hardin is different and so like you talk about like the Warriors blocking everything yeah they blocked probably James Hardin getting the last Infinity Stone to his career and then now he's in

the dirt conversation where you have the one Exactly. He's dirt. You have the one title that proves all of your accolades, even though that we've seen you fail in the playoffs before, you got it done one time, and now you are stamped,

and now you are okay, and then you can start putting James Hardin really as high as you want him to be. Yeah, how high can he go with that? Because his production at his peak is better than Dirk. I think that's not controversial to say. So if you have the same type of accomplishment,

you both have your MVP, and you have honestly one of the most impressive. He's between top 20 to 15 easily. Yeah, like, where does that line go? Like, is he higher than Barclay who's like 18 or whatever, like somewhere in there? I mean, if he, if he, if James Hardin gets a ring, I think that he is like, if he gets a ring in his prime, he's top 15 all time. Okay. Do you know what happens when you say that, Donovan?

If Harding gets to ring, that also means CP3 gets a ring. If CP3 gets a ring, then that means that they don't, they probably don't end up trading away CP3. That's true. Russell Westbrook is still an Oklahoma City Thunder or at very least, like, OKC doesn't get those picks or whatever the case may be. So. No, yeah. There's a, there's a lot. There's a lot, like a whole bunch of legacies get changed.

Dan Tony gets a ring as a head coach, which for him also stamps. Be coaching today. Exactly. Stamps. Everything that he does. Daryl Morey gets the ring, stamps, everything that he does. It changes a lot. So that was one that I wanted to touch on it.

And I'm going to double up here because we have. have to go with the obvious, like the biggest what if in modern NBA history is what if Derek Rose had Megan the Stallionese. And what if he could stay healthy? What if Derek Rose had mega the stallion knees? Right. If Derek Rose could stay healthy, what does the NBA look like? What is, and not even the NBA.

We get 10 years of the youngest MVP in NBA history. We get 10 years of kind of this new. I don't want to say new, but like an evolved version of the point guard where you have this super, super athletic, you know, score first. We're going to build this whole defense around you. Now it's the six two point guard who can jump out the gym and do all this and, you know, homegrown in Chicago, all this stuff. That gets to be there and you get to build off of that much, much longer than we got.

And you don't get this like, you know, insanely sad basketball story. And you get Derek Rose, the Chicago Bull. obviously, you know, Michael Jordan, all that. But like, you have him in the pantheon of Chicago Bulls and in the Mount Rushmore of point guards all time. That is one of the saddest things that that has happened. Is that his niece just going to hold up? Yeah.

Honestly, even if Derek Rose was healthy, I don't, I generally don't know if that changes much in NBA history because they were never going to win as long as the Bron was there. They were right under the same bone as both as the Turner Raptors and the boss of Celtics and every other semi-relevant team back. then. I think the only thing that changes is just that, yeah, we don't get this sad story and we have, like, probably more highlights, cool dunks and memories and all that. Really. I'm normally, on the surface, on the surface, I'm with Moe, that this version of MVP rose,

I don't think is somebody that we need to be like he would have been rattling off titles, blah, blah, but, but he was so young. He wasn't even his prime yet. That's the hard part that we forget about is that he was the MVP. He wasn't even close to his prime. He was like 24. yeah he was like 24 whenever he completely fell off or 23 yeah because it was that he could have got a lot better still and like obviously stars always seem up with each other so somebody would have wanted to come to Chicago at some point probably played with them like just we missed out on like an ascension like imagine if you saw rookie wemby and then he just was done you saw what was going to be coming up and you never saw the final version we can't be putting that into the atmosphere we can't do it the idea of what he could have turned into is what's so intriguing because like a lot of maybe the jump break is better as he gets older and maybe he was a more complete shooter like maybe you have like the shooting of mid-range magic of shay with having that athleticism like he could have gotten so much better still and that's the part of the what it that could have changed history and it's also like when listen they played the cabs in 2015 when derrick is three surgeries behind and listen they were they were up to one right they were up they were up they were they were up to one all i'm saying is they were up to one lebron hits a shot in the corner to win the game to save them from going down three one there's a there's a there are scenarios that were very very like real in which the bulls can be a lebron led team and so if you have derrick rose

in year seven completely healthy playing lebron and now you have you know jimmy butler also coming into his own at the at the same time what if you have this organic duo of Derek Rose and Jimmy Butler. And now that's the backcourt of the future. You still have tips there and everything goes for the head. I think like that, that is very, very intriguing to me. And a lot of it, obviously, like, like as I said, it really is just the unknown because so much of his career

was taken away from injuries. And you never got to see, forget the end of the story, you never got to see the middle of it. And so, like, that's the, that's the hard part. Can Rose win another MVP? Maybe. That team won 66 games that had the best defense in the league.

66 with Derek Rose right there. In his rookie year, they took the Celtics to seven in the first round. Like he was clearly in a position to where he can shoulder the offense. And right before the NBA starts getting into pace and space and three-point shooting and all that, you had this very last error. Exactly. And this very last moment. That's the best part. Right?

Where his style of basketball Exactly His style of basketball Was successful And if he was stepping Into his prime When everybody was just like Hey get out the way

And let the fast guy Run half back die They Their offense could have been What we see John Morant do He could have been that He could have been that And we just never saw that

He could have been like what Janus does They could have played that wave Just downhill demon I'm just saying Because the point out But yeah But I just mean like What John does awesome

Yeah, but Jah isn't like This Jaws obviously A good comp for him But Derek Rose has more of a Yon's ability To like every play dive downhill And create for others Like it would have been Like I don't even know what the comparison is

Like it's like it's more than what Jha does With athleticism It would be I think it would still be Jha But it would be Jha With a Tyree finishing package Because Derek Rose's the finishing package It's also crazy

His up and under is his ability To score around the rim And do all that The float against all that was was fantastic. And so, man, there's times where, listen, gets to be 11.30 at night, sometimes, sometimes you get sad and you just throw on Derek Rose highlights, man. You just reminisce. And he's like, dang. Sit down and cry and eat ice cream. Exactly. Sometimes you just got to have a night. And whenever that happens, them Derek

Rose highlights, they find the TV a lot. Moe, how many got left? Let's see. We actually kind of like double dipped on a few of them. Um, another, I guess a classic one. I don't know if anyone's interested in talking about it. But of course, when CP3 and his trade to the Los Angeles later got vetoed. That is my last one. There we go. Let's see. Here we are. We're on lockstep. This literally happened when you were, I don't know, what, 10, 11 years old or something like that. What does your mind go to when you think about this? What are the possibilities? What are the butterfly flex that float in your head? Well, Butterfly Effect is How high does Kobe go up to Ranks? Because they might, you would think, okay, so here's the thing. They get Chris Paul, right? They ship

out Lamar Odom and Paugasol in that deal. And Mark, what's his name? Dave's turn is like, fuck no. We're not letting this happen. We run this team. The climb. We don't care what the GM says, even though the sitting GM of that team had agreed to it, right? They side it because they just think that it wasn't

a good value for Chris Paul. Whatever. Gilbert Arenas thinks This is a common thing that he talked about a couple years ago That was very viral He says that he's heard that they said no Because one Obviously Chris Paul and Kobe are OP together They didn't want that happen

But they knew they have a lot of cap space And the NBA had it on good authority That they would still get Dwight Howard There was already rumblings out there That Dwight Howard is going to Lakers So the NBA was like We're not letting Chris Paul and Dwight Howard join Kobe Bryant Have you lost your fucking mind

And you know they still got Dwight and they got Steve Nash instead of Chris Paul and if that team, I guess we could kind of morph into that too if that team would have won that would have changed how we talk about super teams because that would have been like the OG one that's just outright ridiculous if Steve Nash never got hurt but let's say that's Chris Paul in this scenario what is that what do you do with Kobe's legacy if he gets a legitimate super team first of his kind or maybe second of his kind to talk about the 08 Celtics

and they win does that put him into like top three conversations Yeah, it does Because three Three eras of championships With three different team constructions He can do as a sidekick He can do it as a man guy He can do it leading a super team

Where you have to really Be unselfish and play with others Like Chris Paul Cook Like he would have the full trifecta Of types of teams you have to win with He would have done it all Across three different eras with one team And he

And it would have Yeah, he would skyrocket in there Like if he Because that team If you just say like Hey They get at least one more championship.

He gets the six, right? Do the Heedles get any? Can they beat them? It would be them versus the Heedles would have been ridiculous. I don't know if... Here's the one thing. And now this is more just like conspiracy talk

rather than like what if. But I refuse to believe that David Stern was... I refuse to believe that David Stern is like, yeah, we're not going to form a super team in the most visible, valuable franchise in the league with the number one player in Kobe Bryant. I refused to believe that that's actually true. I mean, he did it.

Like, he did he, we just don't refuse to believe. They didn't let it happen. If you believe, if you believe they prioritize box office that much, he would have said yes to the trade. It's clear that wasn't a priority or else the trade would happen. I'm saying because of the rumblings that like,

that Dwight, that the Dwight, but he did, if he cared about ratings that much, he would let Chris Paul be a Laker and he didn't. So like, we know for a fact that wasn't the biggest priority. It is,

listen, it is hard to believe that. And now that you're saying it, I'm thinking about my other, you know, David Stone conspiracies. And based on things

that, and based on other things that I think that David Stone has done, I will agree to you that, okay, yeah, he put the state

of the league before the box office. So I do get that. Selfish. And then maybe Dwight Howard, it works there. He doesn't get hurt.

And maybe, you know, they have more time to make it work and he becomes. Knowing with CP3 strike record as a teammate and how people

feel about him, and on top of that, him having to deal with Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard might not be in the league He's gonna He is not gonna have a fun time at all Well let's say Dwight Howard flames out

When he leaves fuck it who gives a shit We still have Chris Paul and Kobe Bryant That's still amazing You can replace him with whoever Like even let's say Dwight Howard never happens Let's say that somehow that doesn't happen And it's Andrew Bynum Chris Paul and Kobe Bryant Cool

Still pretty pretty great And you can still envision a championship happening Early on before You know when the heat had a 2011 mishap maybe they lose to them instead of them abs like whatever may be Chris Paul rise up the ranks very quickly instead of having all the meltdown years and the clippers he's out there with Kobe Bryant as he gets older

on the real loss of his team yes potentially carrying as he ages and becoming the best player in that team eventually like that does so much for Chris Paul we're talking him about we're talking about him with like literally when you mention the greatest point cards of all time whether it be magic stuff like Chris Paul is third Max fourth under that list And if Dwight gets a ring

Holy shit What did that do to his legacy To come off of three DPOIs A final trip as the number one And you finally get a good enough team And you just win Like that He's catapulting

Like there's so much that could happen He for sure gets on the NBA 75 then They're funny way to not keep him out of that still They're funny way to keep him out of that That's obviously that's a crazy one Yeah Yeah But that's all the ones I had to really talk about

There's honorable mentions we could talk about real briefly. Like, what if Hardin never get traded from the thunder? What if he stays there and they have three MVPs all blossom? Maybe it doesn't blossom at the same level. But I think we can agree they would redo that trade if they could. Yeah, that's a fun one. Another fun one that I thought of was like, oh, what if DeMarcus cousins never tore his Achilles? And this was regular 26, 10, and five, DeMarcus cousins, fully healthily,

alongside A.D. Rondo and Drew Holiday back then, insane to think about. Who knows what to happen? Fun to watch at least. Adi would have gone out. And who knows that 80 becomes like a Laker because he has like an actual content team around him. Maybe he doesn't become a Laker because that happens. And then like it's up to pivot and find some other star.

Maybe that's a cool conference finals appearance. That's true. I guess my, I've won more and this goes to the 90s. And it just, what if again, what if the Bulls, and the Rockets actually matched up in 94. So what if Jordan never retired, essentially? Yeah. And they're getting beat.

You love this one. They are. Because obviously, right? And again, y'all know my father. Shout out to my father. We've had the argument. He argues that Jordan would have won eight straight. And I've heard this for decades from not only him, but several other people.

And it's like, one, the lead doesn't work that way. And it hasn't worked that way since the 60s. It doesn't work that way since the 60s. Jordan already in 93, if you watched the last dance, even before they were talking about all the stuff that had happened, you know, with his father, they were talking about how he was getting burnt out and how he was getting tired.

Teams burn out. And the fact that you can get three is fine. But you see their wins. And it happens for a lot of, for a lot of dynastic teams, especially in the regular season. your wins start to go down because you start to cruise you start to you know like take the regular season less serious and all these other teams who are just as hungry trying to get to that point they get there and then also you have the the point of you guys are going to put luke longly on

hakeem milajuan how is that going to work out for you guys like how well right like your strength is having the two best perimeter defenders of all time and michael joan and scotty pippet they won't do anything against Hakeem in his prime who is averaging in the high 20s and if you double he has shooters like he is able to play a form of like

modern math basketball whatever of being able to trade three for twos and if you decide to single cover him he's dropping 50 on Luke Longley and Bill Cartwright and whoever you put on him I think that that would have been a major major issue and they do

they obviously do not win a straight they might not get to six because I think yeah I think they definitely win less if he doesn't get that time off they surely win less I think a hundred a hundred percent a hundred percent and he loses the finals potentially so he doesn't have that like I does that make lebron the go because he wouldn't have six and he would have a loss in the finals yes yes it would it would clear the path it would clear the path now he would still have something that lebron has never have which is a three p and so like that would probably be the the talking point Is that...

That would be the thing because up into that point, like, you had the Celtics who did it, but I guess post-merger, the Bulls were the first one to three-p and then Shaq and Kobe got it, but nobody's looking at Shaq or Kobe as being as dominant. And then you have LeBron with his longevity, but you still have like, you know, you still don't have that three-p to point to. So I think, yeah, I think like if Akeem and them match up, that in itself is, you know, that in itself is probably one of the biggest turning points that we get to see. And if it's against Jordan rather than Shaq, that version is crazy.

And mind you, they did have an opportunity. Like I understand Jordan was 17 games back. They did have a chance to play Hakeem in the finals that year. And it just didn't go down because they didn't make it that far. But yes, I think that that is one of, honestly, like, I think it's like more of a craziest, like what if, but it doesn't feel what if to me. I feel very, very firm in my stance that the Rockets can and would have beaten the Bulls in the 90s. Yeah, that's fair.

I mean, I have stance the logic to me. I think it would be a total sense. Yeah. That checks out to me. So, yeah. I think that's all the ones I have. That's all the ones I have, too. Mo?

Any last second ones? Ah, crown eaters. It's been some time. Oh, we unseathing? Armour up. pull out the swords I need one Cryingers rejoice

This is for you Oh What's the time Never mind We misspoke We are here For producer corner We almost forgot about them

Why are you wearing a blazer You just turned a camera on This is the first time I'm seeing it What do you got on What do you have on and why the hell am I on this goddamn graphic Slow down You guys noticed that

first of all welcome to producer corner as you guys can see this week i'm going to be a game show host okay and chat the game we're playing is is mo smarter than a fifth grader me just mo let's go put him on the hot seat exactly he missed time you you've been on high it's your punishment you've been gone yeah we need to see if you're smarter than a fifth grader show up all right let's do it so listen there's ten questions questions. If you get all 10 right, I will buy you dinner tonight. Nice. It's a wine and dinner planned, but I'll let you rock. I will buy two people dinner tonight. With that being said, so you can decide. You can go 10 for 10 solo. I buy all dinner. Or you can go

10 for 10 and then I'll let you phone one friend. But if you phone or friend, I'm not doing the dinner. So I can phone a friend. If you don't get a question right. So it's about pride versus free dinner. Okay. Yeah. Also, I'm going to say about 30 seconds of question.

But anyways, let's get started. Mo. Okay. Okay. Are you smarter than a fifth grader? Let's find out. Let's fucking go. First question.

Muhammad, what is the capital of the U.S. State of Delaware? Delaware, okay. He's losing right away. He's out of first question. I believe it's Wilmington. No hints for me. Is that your final answer?

Hey, yeah, Wilmington. Not your hand. The answer is over. Who knows? Who the hell lives in Delaware? I don't know. Also, I appreciate the other two for not helping him out. Thanks for that.

Mo, I can't believe you started off. Bitch, I did not know. I didn't know either. I knew. I knew. I can't believe this started off 0 for one. So my people who live in Delaware, I'm so sorry. I get never had my step foot in there, never will I.

I guess it's only up from here. Okay. All right. Second question. Which of the following is a prime number? Option A, the number 15. Option B, the number 21. Option C, the number 23 or option D, the number 25.

Wow. It's been some times as I heard that terminology before. What is that This is a dude stalling for time Yeah, no I'm actually saying that So it takes me back in my mind Prime number, okay

Listen Someone say you're currently in your prime Can you answer the question Which of the following is a prime number? Do you have like 10 seconds? I believe 23 is a prime number For what reason? Because LeBron James is number 23

And Jesus. Oh my goodness You got the right answer For the wrong reason The answer is 23 That is crazy glazers The glaze wins What are you talking about?

That's awesome Let's keep it going Mo which U.S. No, which U.S. constitutional amendment Abolished slavery The 10th Amendment, the 13th Amendment, The 13th Amendment, listen, These questions were given to me from Chad GPT

The 15th Amendment or the 19th Amendment. Chat GPT gave you these questions. Yeah, and I saw this come in and I knew the implications of it and I still kept it in noticing This is a subject matter expertise

Wow Okay I mean maybe So Mo Do you know which constitutional amendment abolish slavery This one's pretty big in history

Yeah it is pretty big in history Okay I'm going to Take a shot in the dark and say B for 13th Amendment Hey You're correct

you're shot in the dark was correct the 13th Amendment I think we're two for one now okay there you go moving on which planet is known for having the most prominent ring system most prominent ring system

your answers on screen are Mars Jupiter Saturn or Neptune I'm going B for Jupiter oh my God come on the answer is Saturn

Come on, Mo. Come on. Okay, okay. Dude. I wanted to remind you, but you can still phone a friend. It doesn't have to be someone on the pot. You can phone anybody. You can phone a friend.

Clearly, you need some help. No, listen, at this point, the free dinner is off the table. You need to get through this as a man. This is for my legacy. Let's go. Oh, I forgot. Also, the stipulation was you buy me dinner. Yeah, anyways, moving on.

I didn't sign no contract. Fuck that. What is the largest bone in the human body? A. Femmer. B. Femmer. A. All right. You're correct. The answer is the femur. And I'm curious how you knew that instantly. But moving on. In which year did the Pilgrim's land at Plymouth Rock? Good God. Who knows this? Here's 1492 or 1607, 1620 or 1776. I'm not going to lie, this one is not that hard. Yeah, 1492. You're a fucking dumb ass. Wow You think I'm buying you dinner I'm sending you some like

Scooby-Doo pebbles for dinner, road And I'm sending you to public school in New York Please no Moving on What is the process by which plants make their food Using sunlight called Motosynthesis B There we go

Correct the answer is Each one of his answers Mo, you were a journalist, you know, you had to take some English classes. I hope you answered this question right. Which of these is an example of an Anamontopoeia? Boom, a. Correct. The answer is boom. All right, listen, question nine.

We're getting to the final tour open-ended, Mo. What is the longest river in the world? You got this. Oh, I got this? I'm phoning a friend. I'm phoning de-smoot. No, man. You don't know this one?

No, no, no. You literally can't do that. You can't hang up. You literally can't hang up. Literally you can't do that. Who said yes to answer? If you don't know, the answer, just tell me. You're just not reliable.

Is it officially on me? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Okay. My answer is the Nile River. There we go. Mo, are you accepting the answer as your final answer? That was my only guess.

Okay. That is correct. The answer is the Nile River, which accidentally flashed on screen. Last question. No, this is for all the money. All right. Who was the president of the United States during the Louisiana Purchase? You should have called me on this one. Hmm. What are we? Brinkstorm out loud here. Who are you thinking? He's not thinking of shit. Oh, no. I'm thinking about President Roosevelt. that's my only guess that's literally my only guess

President Roosevelt that's my only guess that's my only guess is that your final answer no that's me thinking out loud okay got you yeah what are you saying Donovan no I will guess after you guess

can you name 10 presidents time about or actually who's the oldest president you know right now what do you mean by the oldest like my age no no like the furthest back what you mean george washington the first president ever what type of question is that linden b johnson what do you want me to say okay never mind the question sounded better in my head you got it or you're trying to cook me on that one too when you're backfired all right uh listen we need time sticking we need an answer alternatively alternatively you could name 10

that aren't Obama or Trump or Biden? No, that's too easy. I need to answer this question. Okay. I'm thinking... I have no idea with the answers to this one. Yeah, I have no idea either. You got to start the count down.

10. Yeah, I'm just, let's just say Roosevelt. Okay. I would like to guess. Okay. All right. Okay.

Don, you can also submit a guess. Is this Thomas Jefferson? Correct. The answer is Thomas Jefferson. Wow. Donovan, you have stolen home base, all right? That means you are the winner of a free dinner from Mo. Oh!

And that's it. Chat, from the start, we knew that Moe was not smarter than the fifth grader. Come back for another episode. We'll see if Don's sworn in the fifth grader. I wouldn't have went 10 for O either. I would have got like eight, right? Maybe seven. Were these 10 questions?

Wow, these flew by. That was 10. I think you went like six for, six for 10. Okay, six for 10. Not that bad. Donovan, I know you're happy right now because you got that question, right? I just want you to let you know.

Ramandre Stevenson just got injured. You're lying. And he is on two of your fancy teams. Just saw it on Twitter. I don't know how serious it is, but I just want you to let you know you shouldn't be happy right now. Wow.

And on that note, for the second time without a pump fake, Ronda takes off time. Let me make some deals. I'll be back. I got to work. Let me cancel my jury. Let me cancel my train.

Welcome to TikTok time Today we are once again beginning with a T3 staple, a draft. At this time we're going to do a draft of NBA lineups with only players whose last name starts with the letter W. Okay, okay. You haven't done a draft in a minute.

I know, it's been like three, four weeks. Now, we've done a lot of these name drafts to have a certain letter. Usually we do first names with this. We plan on doing first name for W. And I look at the list and I was like, who the fuck are these guys? I do not know any of these players.

So we're doing last names and start with W. We're in there. We had no idea what was happening. So this should be a pretty fun one. Lots of talent in the Ws for last names. Should be good. As you guys see on the screen,

the draft order, is me, Donovan Moe. Okay. Let's running. And who are you going with your first pick? Please tell. I hadn't even thought about it because I didn't know I was first. But,

okay, so real simple. Let's draft NBA lineups with only players whose last name starts with the letter W. First pick, obviously I got to go, Dwayne Wade. Good pick. That was a must. That was a must. I think the low-hanging fruit, the best shooting guard on this list by far.

Yes. And considering that Mo has back-to-back picks, and you guys, once again, know my style, have seen my movies. Give me Victor Wembe Nyama. The second pick? With the second pick. I just want that versatility at my center. Okay.

All right. that's great you can't find a lot of that at that position okay so back-to-back picks naturally give me zon williamson okay cool pick okay and then naturally i don't know if that's natural but i like it yeah and then doubling up go ahead and give me you know what i miss this dude's game. Give me John Wall. Mm. That's a nice one-four combo of athleticism.

I like that. This pick and roll is going to be absolutely disgusting. Now, I need to put in the right players around him, but so far I'm kind of cooking. John War, John War, at point guard, Zion, I power forward. I like that. It's not bad. It's not bad. John Wall and Big John Wall?

At my small forward, give me Atlanta Hawk's legend, Dominique Wilkins. Ooh, okay. I love it. I love it. Now, this draft is going exactly as I hoped it would. At my center, give me Bill Walton. Okay. And then at my small forward, give me James Worthy. See, I like this.

James Worthy. I like that for me. We're going to double old head at the two or three turn. That is, that's good. Now, at my point guard, right, listen, you already know. Some people would be sleepers. People forget about this guy But give me Darren Williams

At my point guard position Oh, okay Listen, you want to talk about a crossover I'm talking about right to left to the rim Darrell Williams is your guy You want to talk about guys You want to talk about dudes Listen

This guy was a dude He was like that This guy was a dude Okay So what I'm going to do Is Hmm My team's going to be so fun bro

So I got Zion Williams out at the floor Put Chris Weber At the 5 Fun means ass But cool Put Chris Weber at the 5 And then at the 3 Give me Sean

No no no no no no no no no no take a step back Take step back Take a step back Take a step back Yeah my three actually Give me J-Dubb Jaylon Williams Why not get a dude from the current day

Okay Your team is Asked but fun there we go you're right you predicted it listen all right i'm entertainment is my special that is true that is true um you know what give me some more scoring at my two guard give me jerry west yeah oh i forgot about jerry west okay yeah easy pick it's a nice pick at this point in the draft uh i'm going to slide james worthy to the four, give me

Mr. World Peace. Meta World Peace at my three. Okay, that's good. I didn't know if it counted, but the back of his jersey starts with the W, so I'm going with World Peace. It works. It works. And then, do I want to go some more spacing or just go talent?

How do I want to go about this? Just go talent. I know. Listen, I need spacing, but the talent play is looking at me in the face. Give me Russell Westmer. point card i have to do it how was he still here how did you pick john wall over westbrook i never picked john wall in a draft before bro his name dessert to be called fair enough all right listen

we're playing wendy at the five i want me on my team i want a power forward and every sense of the word right give me somebody when their highlights play you hear boss man delo i want Rashid Wallace Oh shit You took my pick Oh my gosh Damn Well you were gonna put

Rashid at the two Yeah bro I was gonna move J-dub To the to the two And put Jay and put Rashid Wallace at the three Damn Nasty

I cannot Donovan Donovan Donovan Donovan I think you lose Because you passed up On the opportunity To once again pick David West Oh no Listen

That is a that is a power forward In every sense of the word. He's six men. He's six men. Damn. Because he's, now he's not more boss man deal than Rashid Wallace. Never mind.

Not mind. We're going to have a boss man deal off. Okay. So I think what I'm going to do is I'm going to move. Actually, no. I'm not going to move Dave. I'm going to keep him there. I'm going to keep him there.

okay at my two let's put the king of taking forever to pick every pick put Franz Wagner there okay nice that's modern team that is absolutely

the worst one here isn't most beautiful but I heard you have no space on your team at all I heard Franz Wagner been in the gym no you don't have

I have absolutely no spacing either but at least I have crazy athletes eyespacing is atrocious is on jadev and john war not a crazy athlete wait did you have the three worst players in the team

wall wagner and jadev no i don't you actually do you do you do Darren wins is better than he's better than franz boggner don't you dare hold on is he better than john wall

yeah yeah it's close but yeah that's real conversation that we don't have time a half but that's what conversation we'll never have yeah time out no no no real quick real quick you have like one year of john wall where you can uh where you one one year no no yeah he had one amazing year yeah one year that everyone's like oh my gosh prime john wall they're all clips from 2016 2017 this this is true brother let me introduce you that's that's like the john wall year but you have several years of darrell williams doesn't have

A single clip more popular than John Moll doing the Duggy. Or gang signs over. Yeah, you got it. You got it. You know, Darren Williams is held up so much because there was like one time on first take in 2009 where somebody who was like, Darren Williams or Chris Paul. And now that's all that's talked about with Darren Williams is he was in Chris Paul conversations. Because numbers never lie said so or something.

Congratulations. The history is there. It actually is true. He was in those conversations. we've never defined who was having those conversations though all because Stuart Scott or somebody said it one time who knows that's the end of that next thing we're going to do you know we've done some stuff in the past around a NBA draft lead up and talking about who players were as prospects whether they lived up to their comparison whether they were you

know two expectations whatever you know we all kind of have a recollection of how players were talked about coming into the league so what I want you guys do today is I'm going to show you excerpts from the ringer draft guide over the years and you're going to guess who these draft you know descriptions are about. Okay. So essentially

can you guess this NBA prospect by their draft, what do you even call that? Evaluation. Yeah. Can you draft, can you guess this NBA prospect by their draft evaluation from the ringer? All from KOC's mind. Respectable outlet. Let's see what they had to say. Are you going to put the ringer

on the blast? I don't know. First off, Convo Ford with classic go-to-scoring potential, though he must improve in secondary areas to become truly elite. Who is this player? Combo Ford. So this is somebody, this is secondary area. So obviously the mid-range game isn't there, but the three-point shot is there. They can get to the rim a little bit. Go-to-scoring potential is the key, though.

You think that they can be a star. Now, this could be like any wing ever in the draft, honestly. So many guys are drafted with this description. I wonder what era this is, though. Well, you just described it actually, Donovan. They're all pretty modern. It's the ringer draft guide. So it's all got to be the last like seven, 10 years.

I'm going to say this is, I'm going to say this is Jason Tatum. Oh, my God. The first guess of the segment, you get it right. Damn. Okay, this is a great guess. Damn. No, that's surprising. Let's go.

You read these. Let's go. This man is an avid ringer reader. Yeah. The best case scenarios in this draft guide were Danny Granger, Paul Pierce, and Rudy Gay Paul Pierce is a pretty good comparison It's not bad bad

Yeah listen these ring of draft guys KOC gets knocked a lot for having some terrible misses And my god he has some misses over the years How could you not? But a lot of these hit When I look through these, a lot of these are pretty accurate Okay Okay, shout case

Next player I don't know that Next player Franchise changing offensive orchestrator with smooth scoring skills. No, that was such a very necessary. Franchise changing office stories. With smooth scoring skills,

versatile defense, and a winning mentality. Actually, he sucks. I didn't say that. I did not say that. Okay. Wait, we have to read this again. He's a franchise changing offensive orchestrator with smooth scoring skills, versatile defense,

and a winning mentality. Okay, oh, a winner guy. It sounds like a dog. Exactly. A winning mentality is a dog whistle for so many things. Yeah. Just smack in the ground. Franchise changing offensive orchestrator.

Okay. So smooth. He's clearly a talented pass or really should have been a really talented person. This has to be one of like the top prospects to say that you have franchise changing. Franchise changing skills, smooth scoring skills and your versatile defender. you could do both things and you're a winner this has to be one of like

this has to be one of like the top three picks in whatever draft that they did ah man okay I don't even offensive orchestrated I think of that

and I think of I think of Lanzo ball like I know his I know his scoring skills this is actually Versional defense of he yeah nobody ever described

coming out at college at all he would that was actually a main I know. I'm just trying to think. Nobody's ever mentioned defense with Lamella? No, no, no, no. Oh, Lonzo, you said. Yeah, I said Lange.

Oh, same thing applies for Lanzo. No one applied. No one talked about Lanzo's defense in college at all. That was actually a serious weak point. That just became a strength because he needed to do some shit on the basketball court. That's hilarious. Again, offensive orchestrated. I'm trying to think of who are on the right.

You're along the right lines, though. Like, who are the guy? orchestrator is obviously a point guard it's obviously it's not mr ball but you're close you're you're thinking in the right area okay who who are the who are the point guards who are coming in around that time there's like ben simmons and there's like tray young but that is a defense isn't apply to him de aaron fox don't apply to oh wait could this be mark out false no oh it's not Beard. Could it be Markle Fultz? Maybe. Yeah, let's go Markle Fultz.

Incorrect. This is not Markele Fultz. Oh, dang. You guys lose. You're overlooking somebody that's currently overlooked now because his team is a tire fire. This is Cade Cunningham. Ah, okay. People forget. He was one of the best prospects in modern draft history. Okay. I did forget. Supersized SGA, shorter Ben Simmons with a jumper.

Okay. Yeah, that's a god. I forgot. I forgot what the noise of Ron Kay was like when he was coming out. No, he was supposed to be a Hall of Famer. Like, immediately, like, he was talking about crazy. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

And fucking pistons ruined him. God damn it. The pistons can ruin anybody, bro. This is the year. He's making a comeback. This is the year. All right. Okay.

Number three. Next up. His athleticism is impressive, but he doesn't affect winning as a passer or defender, which makes him a high risk lottery prospect. All right. He sounds like someone who just gets a lot of buckets. Yeah. You're just a temper.

He jumps and not much else. Athleticism is impressive. Not, doesn't affect winning as a passer or defender is very damning. Say huge red flag. What does he do then? Just jump. He jumps.

You read it. He saw those first four words. But they say like he, he's a high risk lottery prospect. So he has to be at the end. Because like, if you're that athletic, even if you don't have all of this stuff, if you are like top he was a mid tier it wasn't the end hmm all right so

what are we thinking like what are we thinking like 6 through 10 type of right I will say this turned out to be a not entirely inaccurate description of the player he wasn't too far off so who's somebody who just jumps

right now is this is this hmm okay so it can't be someone like it can't be someone like James Weiser because who talks about a center like that passing. Defense is red flag. It can be something. Including passing tells you a lot.

Yeah, it's like it's a guard or some type of wing. Huh. It's a guard or some type of wing. Who's a guard or some type of wing that? To me, this one's pretty easy, a guard to be jumping and not much else. Like, this sounds a lot like... It sounds like Jalen Green. It's not Jalen Green, though.

Who is point guard Jalen Green? Who is point guard Jalen Green? Oh my goodness. As a draft prospect. Point guard, Jaling Green as a draft prospect. I am blanking. This is so tough. I'm going to be so mad.

Time's up. This is Dennis Smith Jr. Ah, I was thinking. Ah, okay, okay. Now I will say he defied this by becoming an elite defender, but at the time, his first couple of years, this was accurate. Yeah. Okay.

I should have got that. Damn. But shout out his defense now. He's fucking nice. He is. He needs to do something on the court, bro. Yeah. If you're a draft bus,

it's not working with the ball on your hands you make a career off a defense like that's exactly what you do in his scenario like it's perfect career arc get your money too dennis all right next up this one is highlight real waiting to happen who can score from all over the court but needs to polish the technical aspects of his game it sounds like anthony edwards i was going to say john brand you guys are definitely in the right archetype okay it could have been aunt could We've been John Morant. I think along those lines. Maybe a maybe a little bit less successful than those two guys.

Listen, this could be Jalen Green. This is Jaylen Green. We're going to go right now. We're going to find him eventually. He do, listen, he just be jumping. This is so true. Because honestly, every time he has a great stretch, it's because his three-point shot is falling like crazy

and lets him do everything else. every other time of the year the technical aspects of his game needs abolishing this is accurate okay Zach Levine Bradley Beal Malik Monk

as the as the shades of honestly I was gonna yeah they nailed it okay all right next one a long athletic combo guard who grinds defensively

and flashes playmaking skills but needs to improve his jumper oh that's like a combo guard who grinds defensive and this is like every this is like every a lot of players. There's a lot of guards. Grines defensively, flashes playmaking skills.

We need a really good defensive athletic combo guard. Oh, was this, is this Shay Gilgis Alexander? This is Shay Gildos Alexander. There we go. And this was so true, because guess what? Yeah. That jumper improved in the sky was the fucking limit. Yeah. I remember he obviously great as a, he was obviously great now as a player, but back then with how he scored, it was just so like, How elite can't this guy be? Especially since the jumper was lacking. He definitely defied almost everybody in draft media. Nobody really expected to see what we got from him.

Yeah, people see no jumper, not athletic or explosive, can't score in the NBA. Yep. Everyone thought Sean Livingston. And instead, it's like, oh my God, is this modern Dwayne Wade but slow? Yeah. Modern Dwayne Wade, but slow. People don't understand angles. They don't look at the game the right way, you know?

Slow-mo, Dwayne Wade. Our next one, genius playmaker who can be a major building, block on a contending team. Genius playmaker. That is some good glaze. You got to live up to that. That's like, it's like Ben Simmons.

It's not Ben Simmons. They'll be talking about how big he is too and how he affects rebounding and all those other shit too. Yeah, yeah, you can talk about Ben Simmons about size being in that description. This is tells me this is like a regular guard, not a regular guard, but a cool guard. Is this Lonzo?

It's not Lonzo Ball. But like, it is a cap. P. Point Guard. So, like, you can, you can learn a lot from this. Capital P. Point Guard. All right. Let's think about the traditional guys who have come out. This is Tyrese Halliburton. Damn, O's on a roll. This is Tyrese Halliburton. Yeah. Mosid. There we go. You're doing good. You make care of me when it comes to this. I just need to get it started a little bit. Shout out COC for seeing this. Like, the genius play

maker part. Like, it wasn't a consensus that Tyrese Halliburton would be this amazing pastor in the league that can, like, be your team's main motor. That wasn't. necessarily agreed upon by everybody. He said Shades of Shea and Sam Cassell. Wow. That part, not so accurate, but he became an amazing player. Shea is crazy. Okay.

I guess San Quicell is not horrible, but. No, it's just two different ends of the spectrum. He said genius playmaker and then didn't list an elite playmaker. I mean, because San Cassell has a great passing gears, but yeah. Okay. Next one. Dynamic left-handed shot maker who's made rapid progress at the age of 18, though he's draw in some technical areas.

Left-hand shot maker. Who's the lefty? I will say. Nice. Further details. He was number one on the draft guide for this year. Oh, is this Margaret Bagley? No, not for this year, but for the year he had.

Okay, so two people. I'm leaning towards RJ Barrett. This is not R.J. Barrett. Left-handed shotmaker? The lefties who have come in, What is this? This is tough. So it's not,

it's not Bagley, it's not, it's not RJ. This can't be Zion Williamson. No. It's not Zion Williamson. No, no one's calling him a dynamic shotmaker.

Yeah, yeah. This can't be him. Hmm. All right. Hit real quick. Like, back court, front court. It's a guard.

Guard. I don't, I don't think you guys are going to get this one. Oh, wait. Hold on. This guy's young, though. was this dearon fox this was not de erin fox

you guys are not to get this one i'm sorry all right then last minute buzzer beater yeah it's over this is killian hayes oh this is a nasty miss notorious draft take the ringer rang of number one this year

didn't work out so well okay this is a miss this is a miss Dilo and Manu Damn You win some you lose some They say lefty There you go

They all can't be hits For all the great ones you've seen There's going to be some Not so great ones They said left-handed shot maker Who shoots under 30% from three Modern Genoble Alright next one

Massive shot blocker With guard-like skills on offense As a passer and shooter though he needs to get significantly stronger to become the next great big hmm massive shot bark of guard-like skills this is not winby but I mean

is it Evan Mobley this is not Evan Mobley we're dancing around the answer here is Chad Holmgren this is Chad Holmgren yeah okay that should have been the first guess when you see he needs to get stronger

Gen Z Palgasasas I kind of like that though now that we've seen him it's just funny putting jenzy in front of every okay okay not bad that was an easy one all right next one a polarizing point guard prospect

who depending on a perspective perspective can look either like step or Seth Curry take a shot take your shot this is try young you right away okay can either like

Steph Curry or Seth Curry Seth Curry is disgusting. KOC notoriously hates Trey Young. Hates that you for whatever reason. He kind of is like exactly between Steph and Seth. Like you have a goat point guard and an average point guard. A very good point guard is right in the middle. When has Seth Curry been average?

Are you saying the below average? Seth Curry? Slightly below average, yeah. Yeah, Seth Curry's a good player in his prime. He had very good years. Wow. He's more shooting guards. Seven points off the bench.

Prime Seth Curry. You're hating on Seth Harry? No, no. Seth Curry had good years. Yeah. No. Screw the good years. KOC.

But he's, his hate for trailing is just noticed. Aaron Brooks. Aaron Brooks, Mike, Bibby, and Trey Burke. That tells everything. He put him six because of a group thing. He did not. He saw his passing. He was like, ah, hogwash.

Let's talk about him as a score. It took away half of his game. Hilarious. Tough. I think that's the end one. I think it's the last one, unless we have one more. Nope, that's the last one. He's the effective field goal percentage.

Yeah, he was trying to hate. Yeah, real hate. Next thing we're going to do, you know, last week when Moe wasn't here, we did a video over on Alan Iverson, where I had, we talked about how he'd rank in today's NBA and have five levels of comparisons for him to see which one he gets to. He got to the last one. We ended up saying he wouldn't be as good as Luca, but he would be better than Shea. We're going to do that again today with Victor Womenyama.

We're going to talk about how good is Victor Womenyama today? Can he make it all the way through level five? Okay. Just him today. Yeah, actually, you know what? How good do you think Victor Woman Yama is going to be this season? So this coming season, you know, like projecting into this year. Okay.

Okay. And he has those five levels, five comparisons. Let's see how far you can make it. Level one, Alperin Sangoon. No, he's better than him right now. Really? You watch Alphrensengu gave yo boy. 40 you still saying that he's very clearly better if he could play if if sangu could play

against rookie wimba yama 82 games a year then sure we'll give it to him he'd be a goat but he's not over 82 games i think wimbi's already better i want to see yeah try to score 45 again i bet you sangoon won't do it for the rest of his career who are we kidding singoon i hope you enjoyed your one see no he won't he won't score 45 on wimby for the rest of his career oh okay okay Yeah, no Yeah, probably Sangu can score 245 He's good

But not on him Not on him Yeah, okay That's an easy one We gotta start off We gotta start it off simple Level 2 Better Sangoon

De Montesabonis Once again He's better than him right now Depend on who you asking Yeah, I think he's better than them right now All those And listen All the box girl watchers are going to see that

And be like, what do you mean You let the league and triple doubles for big men I don't care I'm picking Wembe Any day of the week the defense is a gigantic difference. Yeah, the defense and also the jump shot and the myriad of scoring the ball.

He can't be phased out of a game, unlike Sabonis. So bonus was bedded in the Wembe for like three months. Once that second half of the year, a jump came in, Wemby cleared him. He's over. Those three months, though, special subonis. Shout out to Bonas is double doubles. I'm taking Wembe.

Okay, next one. Level three. We got Zion Williamson. gonna be better this year. I might take Wemby right now. This was tough because Zion's healthy like we saw that playing game he is top tier. It is the Wembe, listen we expect Wemby to make another jump. I think because of Wembe's defense, I'm going to lean that way. That's a good point because even if Zion's offense is amazing you could say it's better than Wembe's the defense is a big difference. It's probably a bigger difference in

the offenses. He's a cone and being a power forward as a cone is detrimental to your team. He might be the starting center this year. way their roster's looking. It's going to be him or Daniel Tice. It's going to be Zion. They still ain't due to it? No. No. They love this and Daniel Tice. Especially if projecting towards the end of this year,

end of year two, I think we can go Wemby. Okay. That's fair. But this one's tough. This is the first one I really got to think about. I'm still not thinking about it. I'm still taking Wemby at the end of this year. I think it would be clear. Okay. Level four. got Anthony Davis

These are the conversations we need to have This might be really glazed off If you say If you lean Whenbyside That means you think

He's going to be A top 10 NBA player Next year Because that's what Anthony Davis is And it's possible But that feels More like a guarantee

In like year three And four Year two Are we gonna really Guarantee that He's going to be Right at the lot He's going to be like

Two players below AD And like You might be It'll be a real conversation for sure. It'll be a debate. You might have the conversation. It might only be a five-minute conversation

instead of a 20-minute long conversation. But Andy Davis is still safe for right now. He is still a better player than Wemby right now and he will be at the end of the year too. I think defensively they're going to be like the two best defensive days in the league. Anthony Davis is probably still going to be a better score by a little bit unless Wemby takes a big jump attack in the rim.

But Wemby's passing might be a lot better at end this year. I don't know if that'll make up for it. AD's just so he's so stout on on the interior like he really is like a generational defender I mean listen when Wemby is too but I just don't want to discount what AD does yeah we know for sure Wemby's we know for sure 80's an average like an efficient 26 points per game well we could but it's not really a guarantee yet I don't know Chris Paul is there and knowing Chris Paul just 18 minutes a game hey that 18 minutes a game is way better than what

Trey Jones gave them boys. It's like nine dunks. It's like nine dunks in 18 minutes. Yeah, exactly. That his little 20 is could easily turn it to 26. And at that point in time, it's like, okay, same level defense might be a better passer. Wemby might have this one. He just.

All right. Okay. Take your vote. Is Wemby beating level four? Wemby you beat number four on my eyes. Let's keep it rolling. Donovan. You know what?

I'm hoping for it. So yeah, he doesn't. He beats level four. I'm hoping for it. Oh my God. This is ridiculous. All right. Level five.

We got Joelle Embed. No. See, I actually would. I would actually flip these. No. You're ridiculous. You fucking hate her. Anthony Davis,

better than Joel Embed. You're nasty, man. This is where we're on the line. Wemby's not going to be a top five player next year. Maybe. I'm going to well and Bid. No, sorry. Yeah, I'm going Joelle and Bede.

Now, Wimby's not rolling out of his bed. Any day of the week. You might have took year one, Wembe, over NBee. I don't care what you think. I have to think on it, but it will be in B. Yeah. For one more year, at least. Year three is where we're going to have this conversation, maybe.

It's over for me at this point in time. Talk to me at the awesome break. I will not. Jesus Christ. La la la la la la la. We do the show once a week, buddy. We'll talk. We'll chat.

it's like you're outside my crew with Corvars I'm on FaceTime real quick I got someone I don't want to talk And next thing we're going to do Well I believe you have a 2K related video for us Ah yes A very underrated

aspect about 2K That people get excited over When it comes to You know when that season comes around And basketball games are hopping on the scene Is their covers The cover art They change them every single year

and I want you guys to sit down and rate these cover arts that I have on a scale of 1 to 10 Okay, we're gonna rate them interesting Yeah, based on aesthetic similar how you guys Break down jerseys and all that Give me the same type of energy

When it comes to these covers Let's get into my graphic design As my passion bag That's your best so your bag All right, so rate these NBA 2K covers On a scale of 1 to 10 Okay First up, we got 2K 16

call the ISO I know this one is iconic I know everybody loves this one I don't think it's actually a strong cover at least I have the one with all three of them What What makes it's great It's nostalgic

It doesn't look that great Comparatively to other ones I think the ones with one player on it Looks better than this one that has all three So you're saying Having three players is a cop out Yeah it's not a good design They're just thrown on there

Not blended at all no shading, it's kind of mid. Steph Curry is missing a foot in this one. Oh shit. I didn't even notice that, you're right. Listen, if you ask AI right now to create a 2K cover, it would probably look like this. Yeah. You could do a little bit, just a little bit better, just a little bit more effort.

Okay, so you're right in a game. Graphic design was not their passion in 2016. You can tell. Yeah. I'll go like six. Yeah, six or seven, something regular. Okay, another special. It's a and cover.

Cool. Next up, we got 2K11. This is much better. This is all hard. I'm not going to lie. And this is iconic. This is iconic. Okay.

Hey, yo. I'm just breaking down. He's a tongue out on that timing. Wild guy. What do you mean by that? Do you know what he did in this exact moment? What are he doing? was taken, mean bucket.

Yeah, it looks like he's running through time, like running through this time stream with his effects. I like it. Yeah, pretty cool. This is one of the, not one of the better ones, but it's better than 2K16. I disagree.

This is one of the better ones. I'm giving this a nine. Yeah, I'll give us a nine too. This is great. Okay. So what happens when you put the goat on the cover. I'm sorry. Now, all right, whatever.

Never mind. It's five. Okay. Next up, we got 2K-25. 10. This is amazing. That background. You compare 2K16 to this. This is so much better design. So much better color. It's an actual good design. Not just three guys thrown with some fucking red shading everywhere. This is so much better. Yeah. Naturally paying homage to Covey Award 24 for and you put them at the cover when 2K 24 hits. Everything just about this hits, bro. The pose. The nice lighting on his forehead and the ball. It just looks a million times better. I don't know why, but it's giving. me like Spider-Man multi-universe vibes. Probably the other team. Yeah.

Yeah. Listen. It's Kobe Bryant on the cover. It's a 10 out of 10. You guys, you know how it is. You know how it. That's a 10. Donald's a simple man. He sees Kobe. He rates highly. Come on, man. It's a simple system. The game's easy. Sometimes the game's simple.

I respect it. Next up, we got 2K7. This looks terrible. Ass. He looks like a trucker. in this. He looks like horrible. Yeah. Why he looks like the longer I stare at him, the more the lighter he looks.

The more of just like a southern Mississippi man, he looks. You are not a W.W.E. fan, but for my W.W.E. fans out there, he looks like the big show in this. Exactly like him. Well, it's the big show. I wish y'all were tapped in. Oh, my gosh. Keep going. Keep singing. He says, well, it's the big show. it's the big show

and he has huge disgusting onesie too he's like Oh man Well Go louder and louder I'll give this a 3 out of 10 This looks terrible Did not age well

All that lazy ass outer glow around him It's terrible Yeah I don't like this Also I've been staring at this for 10 seconds now Now I said he looked like a Mississippi man The longer you stare at him The Moorshack looks like

like big baby Davis he looks like Steve Harvey with that mustache this is this is Mr. Potato Head for sure two out of ten okay next up we got

2K4 what yeah is this even the same company yeah this is ESPN basketball I didn't even know they had an ESPN partnership

yeah that's so interesting this looks like the cover of a document of why he looks like he's on the Sopranos this is like the sad story of Alan Iverson and he's just like right there it's like a clipbait YouTube video video essay

the downfall of Alan Iverson exactly it does damn you're right this is a Microsamba video what a thumbnail man I don't like the light that they're painting Alan Iverson in two out of ten two out of ten yeah this is trash I agree

next up we got 2K9 hard okay this is decent at least you can actually see them I like the shack one yeah you like the color contrast 8 out of 10

Kevin Gardnets his intensity it just it gives me ready to play this game all right now you just pick up the cover and starts yelling at it

I'm ready to I like how victorious it feels coming off a ring it feels like he's celebrating I like that my player just anything is possible just ready

okay I'll go 8 out of 10 same 8 solid 8 solid next up we got 2K 12 no this right here gas every time they put Jordan on this cover they go crazy this is incredible I told you this is what happens when you put the goat

on the cover you get a 10 out of 10 cover this is amazing he has a contract that's like you bring up put me on some whack shit if I'm going to let you put me on there and they listen this is dope oh wait no they messed up though why is that three not a two oh yeah

it should be 23 no no no no the left yeah the two on it is like starting to like fade it's being folded over yeah no I like that the jersey is being pulled to the right that's why I see that okay okay

he's a lot I thought I caught you I thought I caught you I did it good job too K 10 out of 10 out of 10. You're looking to hate unbelievable I'm trying to be accurate that's it yeah this is one of the more creative ones I did he looks like some type of mystical figure in this like he's doing like they went from they went from this in 2012

to 2016 where they just slap some P&Gs on there like it's so much lazier yeah I agree I agree all right next one we got 2K 13 how do I feel about this it's better than what we saw earlier with 2K 16 this is better than 2K 16 yeah oh I'll get this I'll get that a 6 I'll give this a 7 or 8 It's a better version of the three-player combination. I like the fact that they're coming out of like this like...

This portal. Lit up basketball. Yeah. Yeah. The little portal. It makes it feel a little bit more like video game-y. Yeah. If they're all wearing white jerseys, this would automatically be like a five or a four.

But they're blue and a red, play griff in there too. I like it. Do the solid seven. I'll do that. Yeah. I'll go seven. Seven out of ten. And that's the last one.

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